Hello and welcome to 4 Azeroth. I'm your host Sean.
And today I am joined by two amazing Co hosts and I'm going
to introduce them in whatever order I damn well feel like.
And that is first up from beautiful Connecticut.
Lex, is that that I get that I do the right thing.
Yeah, yeah. OK.
That's the state. I'm proud of you.
Lex, how is the World of Warcraft treating you?
That's really stressful. Yeah, it's hard.
It's hard. This is why I make you guys do
it. I I can't handle any stress.
It's been good. I so I'm kind of hitting the
pre, pre patch lull pretty hard right now.
But I'm having a good time. I'm relaxed and I'm getting
getting back into the flow of things.
I'm getting into chainmail, which is fun.
That's my new hobby of the moment.
Does that mean you bought the bikini out of the traders post?
No no I I although I am seeing all the like Reddit posts and
like wondering if I could if how how it would actually feel to
try to make a chainmail bikini. So unlikely to ever happen, but
if it does, you guys will be the first to know.
Perfect. Do you owe?
Do you mean real chainmail? Like you're making chainmail at
home? Yeah, well, so currently I'm
just making cute little bracelets to I I think this is
the thing that I'm allowed to talk about publicly.
And there's like a group of people who trade like friendship
bracelets at Philip BlizzCon. And so I decided to go hard mode
and do little chainmail bracelets.
We'll see if anyone wants them. It's fine if you guys don't, but
I, yeah, Sean can have that totally.
And it worst taste scenario and my friends.
So I'm not getting like deep into like actual chainmail,
chainmail at the moment other and I'm doing like basic weaves,
but I do have dreams of getting deeper into it.
I dabble in Larping and so having a skill that I could
bring to LARPS like making chain now would be really really
helpful in making me feel comfortable getting out there
and doing things. Very cool.
Not for me, but for listeners who don't know what LARP is,
because I definitely totally know what LARP ING is.
But could you just explain quickly before we introduce?
I'm going to just say hi so he can talk, but then we're going
to get him a proper direction. Manny's here too.
Hi Manny, But don't tell us anything about your week yet.
We're going to come to you properly, but I just don't want
you to feel like you can't engage with this incredibly fun
story we're getting from Lex on chainmail and Larping.
So what was? Larping again.
So Larping is live action role play.
So it's basically like, think of like a Renfair but only a few
people and there's a storyline or I guess think of just
role-playing, but you're doing it live with like swords and
magical things you throw at each other.
I haven't done a ton of it. I've only ever cast LARP, which
is basically when you're the NPC, right?
So you go in and you have the other people who are directing
it and need like enemies and little things to do.
And like, you know, you're going to go like do this little event
with these people and you're going to get kidnapped and
things like that. So the players have something to
flesh out the world. So I haven't really ever, I
mean, I've, I've never, I really like casting LARP.
I think developing a character and dealing with that feels very
stressful for me. But showing up and being like,
Hey, tell me where to go and what to do, That's really fun.
And then you get to like be part of it and, and hang out and not
have to dig into the, the characterization and everything.
So that's my, I've only done a couple, but I do really, really
like it. And frankly, the only thing
keeping me from it is that there's not really anything
close enough to me that it's easy to get to without needing
like a dog sitter or something. Right.
I think I've seen TikTok videos. Are they called reels or shorts
or clips? I've seen videos, I've seen
short videos. I think that is what you're
talking about. And it was a guy walked up to
like a bar and he had to put his hands in shackles.
And then the bar maiden, I told him how bad he was while she
poured the beer that he purchased down his throat.
So you would be, you would be her.
Is that right 'cause she would be an interest?
That's basic grandfare stuff. Basic grand.
OK, OK. Come on that.
Happens all the time. OK, exciting stuff.
I can't wait to hear more about Alexis, Journey into chainmail
and Larping. This is fantastic.
This show's taking a turn. But before we turn too fast and
we get kicked off the air, Manny, how has the World of
Warcraft been treating you today?
I mean today I have not played the World of Warcraft people who
are watching the YouTube video. Today I'm officially blind.
Unfortunately I could not find my glasses.
Spent the day looking for them. Made my work day extra long
because it took longer to look at the screen when I was at the
screen and I took frequent visits into other places to try
and find these glasses. So I haven't played today, but I
am still plotting along with the housing.
Really have done a pretty good job setting up the basic plan
and figuring out what I want to do for future expansions and
then making some gold off of that.
So everybody on my war band has at least half a million gold, if
not like several million gold, which is nice.
That was part of the goal of trying to like make some make
some gold and the housing has helped with that be enjoying
that but I just I can't put in the effort to like list every
hour. We've got friend of the show
Bega and those auction house goblins that are like healing it
with housing because anybody who has seen what it takes to make
some of these items, you know that it does require a lot.
And so, yeah, you can end up selling some of these things for
10s of thousands of gold a pop or like so smaller things for
like 5K or so. It's a it's a nice little
racket. Beyond that, yeah, I guess I'm
with Lex. I'm in the bit of the flow down.
I've done all the major goals. I've got the KSM.
And a special shout out to you, Sean, who helped with Mr.
Missile Dine online and helped him get his triple threat this
past weekend. That was something that I, he
wanted to do. And John came in and helped,
helped and tanked for us and we got Missile Dine at that.
So good for him. As for me, yeah, I'm waiting for
next week and that's when all the changes happen.
Yeah, big. We have a big, big week coming
up. So this is our our last official
week of midnight season 3. Anything that's on your bucket
list to get done, this is it. You're in the end game now to
quote Doctor Strange from a little movie called Avengers.
Something something Infinity gauntlet war.
I'm a big marvel fan. It shows.
I also this week get a little housing, but just very little.
We have our housing competition with our and our Guild and I had
to go and take photos of my house to enter that competition.
And that's really all I did in Warcraft this week other than
tanking a couple dungeons for for Manny and my friend Corey.
But housing is where it's at. Housing is where we're going to
start. Our first story tonight.
There was a massive interview that that broke the Internet
into like she want to tell us what's the deal with housing?
Yeah, so the deal with housing is it's not done.
There's a lot more stuff going on.
And they, the, the developers were saying that they're kind of
at a point where, you know, there's so much excitement and
there's so many new things that it feels like they're constantly
getting new things on their plate.
So just because they're not saying this is going to come
right now doesn't mean they're not thinking of it, doesn't mean
they don't want to. It's just that they do have to
structure things, right? They have to give us things that
come at at certain times. So in January 20th we're getting
a bunch of new housing stuff with pre patch, one of which is
going to be the neighborhood wide endeavors, which I'm really
excited about. That was one thing that I always
thought would be a cool way to bring the neighborhood together,
which is basically the the the quests to get your neighborhood
stuff. That was very helpful, I'm sure.
But like these neighborhood wide things that you and your friends
can all do when you all chip in and then when you chip in, you
get cooler stuff and it scales based on how many people are in
your neighborhoods. You don't have to worry about
like, oh, nobody's doing anything.
So I never got anything makes the fun.
Hang out with your friends, do cool, fun things, enjoy
yourself. They are, but they talked a
bunch about a bunch of different things that they are working on.
So the things that are coming relatively soon, like around 12
point O or after like right after launch and things like
that, they are going to be getting bigger media or they're
hoping some bigger medium sized housing exteriors, more Night
elf and blood Elf exteriors to join what we already have.
They're going to be doing, there's going to be a ton of new
decor dropping with Midnight's new raid.
They're going to do bad luck protection with that.
There's going to be guaranteed items for bosses that have
decor. There's going to be new noun
levels, so they're doing a ton of extra housing.
Like I feel like I'm getting very into weeds.
So we're going to stop just reading the article and we're
going to talk about how's it because it's been really cool.
They're going to do a lot of stuff.
They're talking about doing interactive objects, which is
something that in Final Fantasy they have a ton of.
And I was really sad we didn't have more of an in World
Warcraft. So you can like pick things up,
you can read the books that you have, you can engage with stuff.
And they also have big ideas that they're planning on sharing
soon ish that they don't have a clear road map.
They're going to give us a clear road map that they're really
excited about. They are going to they promised
us they're going to let their mounts and pets run around.
That is I was saying in the the discord something I'm losing my
mind about. We are going to be getting Guild
halls. Is is on the plan Pretty soon
you should be able to Co design or Co own houses with your
besties. And we are.
They're also like talking about things like basements and
communal spaces, more events for the entire community.
So basically the the TLDR is there's a lot, right?
There's a lot of really fun things coming.
They have a lot of thoughts, they have a lot of ideas.
I'm wondering you 2, what are we most excited about?
I have been very open about the fact what I'm most excited about
is pets and I'm curious what we're all hyped about.
I, I mean, I think Holly put it best in the articles where
whenever they mentioned something, there's like 20 more
questions that pop up. So it's just like, oh,
basements. And it's like, oh, I could do
like my upside down carazan in my own home sort of thing.
So like everything they say sparks some sort of like wild
rabbit hole that I, that I go down.
But like the questions that sort of pop up or the immediate like,
but if you do this, what happens here?
Like they're talking about people owning a house in sort of
a marriage thing. And it's like, well, what
happens at the divorce, right? We're going to split that house
5050. And so in my head, I'm like, OK,
you just like mirror everything. But some things get locked out
if you don't personally have the achievement sort of thing.
It. I guess because of that, what I
am most excited for is a housing road map like because there's so
many things that like I keep going like over if they put out
just ahead of the launch of midnight or or so they put out
the like, hey, our housing road map coming in this patch and
this patch you we're going to add in this and scheduled for
this. It's going to be that.
That's that's what I would really like because then I can
get a lot more things, even if it's not exactly what like I
would put on the top of my list. The combined anticipation will
be great. Yeah, it's exciting.
It's really like the road map is huge pets also, as soon as they
figure out collision, we're getting those pets.
So that's I'm also very excited. I just want to walk into my
house and have it just be full of animals, just like an
absolute zoo. That's great.
But I think something that that I noticed, there's two things
that that that to me, they are the biggest like, hey, this is
great #1 is how invested the team is from the top, like Ian's
the top, from the top down all the way down.
Everybody is like excited about housing.
They're. They're in, they're buying in,
they're loving what the community's doing and they're
not saying no to requests. They're saying, let's see if we
can. You know, people are we did.
We saw with the floating houses. It wasn't that, no, we're going
to Nix that. It was OK, let's make this
legit. And that sort of open minded
approach to housing to really, it really makes it feel like
we're as a community building it alongside the dev team.
And the second thing is they're the way that they're subtly
solving problems before they become problems with the housing
decor drops that you mentioned that have bad luck protection.
They're personal route. So you're not rolling against
this never ending sea of pugs or guildies who want seven of the
item. You know, it's personal loot,
you get it or you don't. So they're they're already
heading off these potential issues.
I'm really, really impressed with everything that they're
doing. It's it's going to be a good
time. Lex, when when pets come out
will you quit raiding and will that be it?
Oh, probably all I want to do is hang out with all my little
baby. So I, I, I, I will become a pet
collector at that moment just so that I can have more and more.
They're going to have to put like I've actually I've as I say
this, I'm sure they will put limits on the number of pets in
your house, but yeah, that will be that will be my new life is
pets and mounts. I I just I would like only
animals as far as the eye can see my entire house.
Lee dedicated to animals. I will be buying as much as I
can so that I can build more room so I can put more animals
in my house. Frankly, the dream of my actual
life. But in my actual life I have to
think about things like pet food, so.
I mean they could. They could put pet food into the
game as well, not so much as an upkeep thing Corona trigger a
game I love, had this entire like little hidden system where
if you didn't feed your cat throughout the game, it would
run away at the very end of the game, and that was like one of
the endings. You could have anyways separate
thing if they put like little pet containers so that so that
like pet would be attracted to that that position, that would
be thumbs up in my book. I I would love that for your
people who collect pets, but for me, I want like either armor,
like the armor racks that they have in there.
There are preset and there are particular items or they're
empty. I would love like to be able to
put weapons that I have claimed, like if I've got like taste of
lash or I've, I've got like a wet.
It doesn't even matter. It's a pitchfork that I like got
and it means something to me. I want to put that up because
that is the stuff that like makes the house mine versus like
what I could gather around. So more personal investments and
we can have armor sets on little dummies that we can throw up.
Like I would change out half the stuff in my quote UN quote
trophy room for that to be like, yeah, he's these are my favorite
tear sets. And then Sean comes in, comes in
and says, that's stupid. You don't look like you don't
look like a proper warrior. And but he has his own stuff
like that's to to me is great. Yeah, I love that.
I've actually like both your ideas.
So I'm going to steal somewhere in the middle.
I want to be able to look at my pets on the weapon racks.
Just have to have it like jump on and to just knock off the
helm. Or have my weapons walking
around my house. That would be nice, I mean they
do have someone's enchanted weapons that could just like
path around. Like that some of the changes
are actually, so it's not just waiting for January 20th,
January 20th is right around the corner.
But we're also seeing some changes that they talked about
in the article that are coming up that are already implemented
now on the beta. A big one being the the changing
of the circles for when you adjust items.
So now they each have their own separate color, those rings so
you know when which one it is you're looking at.
So if you want to move horizontally or vertically or
diagonally, they're now color code.
I think it's like purple, green and a yellow.
I wonder if it if there's a Is it red, green, blue?
I thought it was red, green, blue.
Anyways, doesn't matter, they're different colors.
Clearly different colors, which is great.
Yeah, it's good stuff. Good stuff.
Anything else either of you would like to say about housing
and how great it is? Oh yeah, like the stuff coming
that's real soon. Is is real soon?
If you are currently at the cap that's 5, you get experience
that goes beyond the cap. So you might be halfway through
6 by the time the cap gets lifted.
And at six from the data mining, that's when the medium plots are
are supposed to show up. So all of this is right on
horizon. This is not soon TM.
This is soon Blink and it's already here kind of stuff.
And I love that. I love that they are being so
like energetic about it, like you said, Sean.
Yeah, soon, soon. The article's great because it
breaks down like actually soon, not really soon and then
probably long. It's a really good read.
The link, you can find the link in the show notes, which I don't
know if they get posted on the podcast, but they're definitely
in our Discord under the Show Notes channel at bit dot LY
slash fast Discord. You can you can check those out
get a link to the PC Gamer article which is really good
stuff. Yeah, I will say this is a
little bit of a side note, but I feel like after so many years of
almost everything coming from Wowhead, I feel like we've been
seeing either we're seeing more and more from PC Gamer or I'm
just paying closer attention. And I kind of like the PC Gamer
like more article narrative style.
I think that it tends to be very well organized and make things a
little bit very entertaining to read.
So I've been enjoying PC Gamer. Shout out to you.
Yeah, it's good to see different sources delivering the
information, not all being 11 spot.
Oh yeah, yeah, absolutely. Cool.
All right. We're going to move on.
We're going to keep rolling. We got a lot to talk about today
that we were rolling in today with like let's sort of
manufacture some stuff to talk about.
And then around noon my time, the floodgates opened and we got
lots to talk about. This is a story though that is
not new. This is a little classic tale.
We're going to talk about how Classic got a shiny new back end
this week. We don't normally report on
classic here so bear with me because the reason I want to
talk about this is because I believe it has further
implications for retail down the road that I want to pitch to my
my Co hosts here and see if they are feeling those same vibes.
So Burning Crusade Classic Anniversary Edition went live
this week and I think they have like a 24 hours of maintenance
with a six hour extension, which in the great scheme of things,
if your maintenance window is 24 hours, a six hour extension is
not that bad because it's all relative.
But yeah, so it was during this, just before this maintenance,
because it was a long maintenance, it was coming out,
people were like, why are you doing this?
We've spun up Anniversary server so many times before.
And Tom Ellis, who was one of the senior game producers for
Classic, wrote a blog post breaking down why the
maintenance was going to be 24 hours and talking with some of
the back end changes that were coming with it.
And these are the kind of posts I'm here for.
And I'm not going to read the whole post.
It's it's a long post. And he starts by saying there's
no news in this post. This is just for people who are
really nerdy and bored and want to know the why.
Why are we having a 24 hour maintenance period?
And the reason is because they fundamentally changed the way
that they handle. The servers on classic servers
so they were looking for different ways different
solutions on how to spin up these new anniversary servers
without destroying all the information that people had and
trying to be as least invasive on the the players as well and
they did find a solution and they they're calling it
persistent in place. That's the name of the solution
they're using. So it doesn't mean he said
doesn't likely mean much at all to anyone, but they're they're
in full sharing mode anyway. So currently data in World of
Warcraft lives in three databases, the persistent
database, which is your characters, guilds and items,
the account database, which is account level things like
achievements. And finally the regional
database, which handles region wide things like token character
numbers on the realms list, etcetera.
On Tuesday, they copied all of our.
So normally what they would do is because you can't have two
versions of Warcraft living in the same environment.
So they were trying to find a solution to that.
And what they did on Tuesday is they completely, they took all
of the data on the account and regional database and
transitioned it to a new database called the environments
database where both of those pieces of information live.
And the persistent data is now that's where they're going to
be. They're going to be bending some
of the rules they've done for a long time with the persistent
data. So the new realms on the new
environment are using the old persistent data, which is your
characters saved, your characters, guilds and items,
and they're going to draw their information from the new
environments database. So it lets them have different
versions of World of Warcraft read and write to the same
database, which up until now was not possible.
They could not do that. Now I know what you're thinking,
Shawn. This is a retail World of
Warcraft news show. None of you play classic.
One of you wasn't even born when Burnett Crusade came out.
Why, man, It's Manny. Manny's very young.
What? No glasses?
Manny, It looks like a little
baby. And I feel bad.
I feel like I was insensitive earlier because I am wearing
glasses and I was cleaning them without thinking of how that may
have made my friend who has lost his glasses feel Manny.
I apologize if that hurt you. No.
It's OK, Sean. In fact, this is the prettiest
you've ever looked. Thank you.
You meant that facetiously, but I'm taking it genuinely because
I choose to. I will write my own narrative,
Sir. So why are we talking about
this? Why are we bringing up classic
I, I want to pitch to you guys. Lex, Manny.
Can I? Can I Can you just do a quick
guess? You could, yeah.
All right. What do you think I'm going to
ask? Does this somehow mean that they
have the new server database so that they could do cross region
realms with this sort of ability?
That's a great quote Manny. What an insightful question that
is. We will.
I like that. That is, I hadn't considered
that allowing a the persistent database to to write to a new
environments database that contains all regions that that
might somehow open up the realm for a data center esque cross
region game play much like in Final Fantasy 14.
Lex, what do you think? Do you think Manny might be on
to something here with this cross region?
Well, the one thing I will say is if that's true, this does
kind of put a little bit of a pin in.
Not pin I can't think of. For a podcast host, not being
able to think of words for an entire hour is not going to go.
Great. We're going to get through it.
It does kind of like deflate your like BlizzCon conversation
you had with the dev where they told you to ask them about cross
region come midnight, simply because it seems like this is a
brand new thing. Like whatever they're doing is
entirely new, according to this post at least assuming we
believe this. And they didn't even know it was
possible. And it seems like it was very
much like, oh God, we have to get the, the China realms back
up and we don't know how to do that.
Oh Christ, oh Lord, oh goodness. Oh, gracious.
Which makes me think that this is like if, if this is them
opening the way to cross region. I, I, I think it very well could
be, but that makes this actually kind of makes me think they
weren't working on cross region, or at least what they're doing
now is not what they were intending.
But it seems like maybe you guys disagree.
I I mean like. You're saying there's a chance?
I'll say that timelines are fluid.
You know, everything that happens in this world is now
like a soup. Who knows what priorities they
have and how things get shifted around.
So even if they're like, yeah, ask me again in midnight, it
could be that like, yeah, we're testing on something and we
think it might be ready for midnight.
And then the testing took longer.
And so it's not it's not going to be ready for midnight.
And they're like, hey, Classic is a safer environment to try
this on because there are multiple versions of classic
that can simulate simulate the the thing.
But in general, regions aren't running different versions of
the same game. They're they're the same thing.
Like if you put them on the same server all you instead of
rolling out maintenance in waves, you would just everybody
would go down at the same time. You would have that it would
basically be what all the race the world first people wanted
worldwide simultaneous patches constantly.
Like it would be more effort to put it into two different
versions for no real gain in my opinion.
So I don't think that this is exactly related, but them
continuing to work on surgery infrastructure, continuing to
improve their game on the back end, that's promising.
And maybe at some point cross region will no longer be the
impossibility that they said it was in the past.
So I'll I'll take that as the good thing from this.
I will continue to predict everything is a precursor to
cross region gameplay until I am correct, and then I will point
furiously at whichever prediction was right and say
see, I knew it. It's.
Coming tomorrow, it's coming tomorrow.
Broken clock is right twice a day.
That's right. That's right.
It's we. We need.
There's dozens of us. We need it.
We want this. I want it too, like no joke,
cross region would be amazing. I have lots of friends in
Europe, I have people that I've raided with all over the world
and I would love that. Tomorrow, yesterday, I just what
I want and what I think is going to happen are two different
things. Yeah, there's an old saying
about putting things in your hands and putting wishes in the
other hand and seeing which hand fills up first.
I never really never really got that reference.
Lex, I have a job for you that I would normally do poorly, but
since I'm hosting, I'm Manny tonight, so you get to be Sean
tonight, so you get to do this poorly.
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One of the we want to specifically call out Corny, but
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Did you? Just say corny.
I said. No, I definitely heard Corning.
OK, good, good. I heard Corning and I'm like,
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Make it a Patreon bonus that every week that we get a new
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Every time we get a new Patreon, we don't read the Patreon.
We don't read the Patreon. Thank you.
And I wonder if subscriptions go up.
I feel like they might you. Think we can?
You want us to not read their names out?
I got to be honest, this is my favorite part of the show.
This, this entire segment is my favorite part every week.
Sometimes I don't even know what's going to come out of my
mouth. Remember when you did whole
stories and then we just kind of pretended that never existed?
I love that. That was my favorite.
That just vanished into the ether.
It was only for new patrons, which we didn't have for a
while. And then we got one.
But I didn't know I, Manny was supposed to give me a heads up
before recordings. Hey, we got a new patron.
And then there was one week when we got a new patron and he
didn't give me a heads up and I was on the spot and I was like,
oh, I don't have anything for this.
Yeah, it's all Manny's fault, playing Manny.
Listen you, you made the job up yourself on the spot and then
gave up on it when it proved to me that Manny was not going to
do the work for you. It's true.
Yeah, I would like to stick to.
Your guns. I'm going to stick to my guns.
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Yeah, it's a corny. It actually could be Koro Nene.
God, if I got it wrong you. Guys, Oh my goodness.
I kind of want it to be koro Nene.
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Oh, we've just gotten a notification Cornene has
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the news? Sorry.
I mean, that's your job. My apologies.
Yeah, I've got this. Relax.
It's Manny. It's OK for us to.
We're Peacocks. It'll let us fly.
It's. We can't Peacocks fly.
Are they like chickens? No, no, they can fly.
Peacocks can fly. Yeah, Alexa's going to look that
up. We're not going to move on.
Alexa's doing that. We got some new affixes coming
and some dungeon tuning, and it's very exciting.
In a blog post today, Blizzard unveiled a new Mythic Plus affix
and changes to the current Zalitath Bargains affix.
So the new affix that we're getting starting in midnight is
Lindormi's guidance. And I'm going to read this blue
post because it's great. And it says in this week's beta
build, we're introducing a new Mythic Plus affix designed to
support players who are learning dungeon routing.
Lindormi's Guidance When Midnight Season 1 begins, this
affix will be in Mythic Plus levels two to five.
While in Dormi's Guidance is active, certain non boss enemies
will be afflicted with Temporal Sands, visually highlighting
them and reducing their health and damage done by 5%.
Defeating these marked enemies will fulfill 100% of the player
forces count, providing a basic route through the dungeon.
Additionally, the affix also prevents player deaths from
reducing the timer. Our goal.
This is the important part. Please listen to this part
carefully. High end players.
Our goal with Lindormi's guidance is to help players
learn a reliable dungeon route while still getting comfortable
with the seasonal dungeons. We also hope this affix makes it
easier for groups to align on a route in the early myth in the
early levels of Mythic Plus. These are not, I repeat, NOT
intended to be optimal for higher end play.
Instead, they're meant to serve as a foundation for groups
learning the dungeons before pushing deeper into mythic plus.
And then the changes. On top of that, they are
shifting current Zaltath bargains which start at level 4,
to level 5. So they will start at level 5.
So the TLDR, enemies that are marked, they'll be group packs,
have marked enemies throughout the dungeon.
They do 5% less damage, have 5% less health, and if you just
kill those enemies and follow that breadcrumb trail through
the dungeon, you will hit 100% of your enemy forces count and
you will complete the dungeon. And this is designed for
learning and to make things better.
Lex, I specifically want to ask you, as somebody who has dabbled
with tanking in Mythic Plus, does this make tanking more
enticing for you? Oh yeah, I'm probably going to
tank next season. Like like genuinely this is
everything that stressed me out about tanking and I think plus I
now have a route. I also it sounds like like
deaths are going to be less critical.
So if I screw up the world with an end, people will yell at me
less. This is a like genuine game.
This is. Like.
Night and day flipping how I feel about Mythic Plus.
I have something more important to say.
Peacocks barely fly. If we consider Peacocks flying,
then we need to consider chickens flying too.
Like they can also flap their stupid little wings and then get
a little bit of, yeah, if I got really big blankets, I could
probably get a little bit of lift.
So OK, fine, Peacocks fly a little bit, but barely.
Anyway, Manny, what do you think about Mythic Plus?
I mean, I like it. There's nothing about this
implementation that would that would be considered AL in a
sterile, clean environment where World of Warcraft players don't
exist. Unfortunately, this is being put
into the game where World of Warcraft players do exist, and I
cannot just imagine the clash where people are going to be
following this around. Hey, 5% less HP and $0.05 less
damage. These things are easier to kill
and they will get you your your percentage.
Why aren't we doing this? And there's there's going to be
that guy who's being like pushing 6 and sevens and has
been earned learning the offman road.
And I'm so much better than these players.
And it's going to be such a bad clash and I'm going to hate it.
I'm going to hate it. Players are going to ruin this.
I can I, I'm waiting for the local tournament where
somebody's doing A2 to A to A4 plus and their trick is to like
try and snap the ones with the Afixes into a.
It's just the nightmare scenarios are just popping into
my head and I know it's going to happen that that I think this is
great for learning to tank. One of the big, big hurdles for
tanking is that you have to learn the routing on top of like
all of these enemies and what they do.
This is 1 less thing off of the the tanks plate and that's
great. This is great for pugs as well
because yeah, go to that big one that's shining over there like
that's let's do that. So All in all, I think this is
great, but this is not the best thing that they put in this
patch. Like good on them for adding
this affix, but even better and I I love the community team, but
whoever did the. The developer notes this week is
still on Christmas vacation, apparently 'cause they skipped
out on the fact that they have added a section for keystone
dungeons into the Dungeon Guide, which shows what these affixes
do, what the new affixes are are doing when Tyrannical comes into
play, all of that. You don't have to go off to to a
website. You don't have to listen to me
tell you this week it's this and and this week it's this.
It's in game now. That's wonderful for new
players. I'm sure everybody who has been
playing since Legion and has like made mythic plus their life
has those tools, the method dungeon tools, the routing from
like all the different sites radar IO has like their their
weekly routes and they do different routes for like
various levels as well. So all of that is still out
there, but having this in game for people who just want to
like, you know, dip their toes and don't want to get
immediately told like, why didn't you look this up?
And that's not the route they use in the MDI.
Love it. Absolutely love it.
So big thumbs up from me, even though I know the community is
going to be absolute bastards about this.
I two things obviously massive W this is a huge WI cannot wait
till the season starts so that I can call bad tanks in higher
keys Lynn Dormy tanks for doing bad roots.
Oh, you're, oh, you're. No.
I'm scared. You're a Lindormi tank.
I get it. You're a Lindormi tank.
OK. I'm not for the for legal
reasons. It's a joke.
I would. I mean, I will call my friends
that, but I would never call real people that.
Not that my friends aren't real people, it's just.
That change my Twitter handle. I am now Lindormi tank Manny.
Yeah, Lindormi tank. Manny, Always a Lindormi.
How'd the key go? Well, we had a Lindormi tank, so
you know. Could handle the extra 5% once
it got removed. That's.
Right, that's right. Yeah, those moms are all harder
now. And the other thing is I would
really, I don't think this is going to happen, but pie in the
sky, I would like to see this marking of the packs, not with
the remove the debuff on them, but just the marking of the
packs. I would like to be able to using
a tool like MDT Mythic Dungeon Tools where I set a route and I
share it to the group and say, hey, this is the route we're
doing. I would like for there to be a
function where either in game or through that add on where I can
then mark the packs I'm going to pull so that I can visually see
what packs we're pulling next without having to memorize a map
and have it on a second screen. And there's a lot like this is
great for early tanks and new tanks, but it's still, life is
still hard in these streets for old tanks.
It's hard to hear for a pimp. So I definitely I'm a really big
fan of the movie Hustle and flow.
For anybody who's wondering where that line came from.
I almost sang it to you like she does in the movie.
But my I'm I have a bit of a scratchy throat and it wouldn't
sound as good and I didn't think I could convince Lex to sing it.
So I'm excited for this. This is this is AW.
Both of my coasts are like why? I'm I'm just trying to, I don't
know what this is and I I already googled the Peacocks so
I can't Google another thing. You don't know, oh, Hustle and
Flow was an Oscar winning movie with Terrence Howard and he is a
pimp and he takes one of the girls that works for him and she
becomes a a pop star and that's the song they sing.
She sings. Anyway, it's amazing that song
won an Oscar. Like I can't believe we're going
to after the show. This is nobody in Warcraft wants
to hear this. This is the kind of stuff I get
comments on YouTube about where they're like, why are these guys
talking about Hustle and Flow? Terrence Howard is a crack job
anyway, It's he's just a flat earther isn't but not a big
deal. But it's Manny wants me to move
on. Big changes, big WS Manny.
So we got more dev notes. It's been a wild, wild day
today. We had a a very long lull with
the Christmas break and the week after.
Why don't you tell us about the dev notes today?
Honestly, I just made that comment and now I'm going to do
this so you know, forgive me. Poor devs.
Oh yeah. You just called them out.
But we got dev notes with the latest deployment and they said,
hey, there's some things in here and there's some more stuff
coming with the next deployment that we're not going to put in
here. Kind of go back to my initial
statement, but we did get a lot of major shifts in how they're
doing something. So overall we're seeing tanks
getting rained in. So Blood Decades, Vengeance,
Demon Hunters, Prod Warriors, Guardians all got damaged buffs
to bring them up. We saw prod paladins get some
small damage reductions and the Apex talents got that shiny new
way because like before it was just like the line on the side
wasn't that interesting. Now it is a continuing single
talent point that has the little pips on it so that you can see
it see it increase as it goes as you put in the four points and
that's that's quite great. There is AUI bug where the
second point is apparently show having a tool tip error when you
put in the fourth point, but again, they'll fix that with the
deployment in the next one and that'll be good.
Name plates have a more like a more forgiving clickable range,
which is nice if you're clicking on the name plates.
So you like get to that one that you need to interrupt.
But there's still more to go and we're getting very low on time.
I did not see any of these pointed out as being reflected
in the lot the pre patch that we're getting next week.
Which? All of these that are nameplate
done that are tuning because some things are out of whack.
I feel like they should kind of be be reflected in the pre
patch, but pretty, pretty decent.
I'm glad that they're continuing to work on it, that they're back
at back at it and we're going through that.
Previously though, we had talked about how when you're doing
Mythic plus, that end of week reward would be scaling all the
way up to 18 plus and you would get mythic pieces that would go
beyond one out of six. That's not in this build.
And now again, that was data mine.
That wasn't something that they had talked about.
So and when we say things are subject to change, this is what
we mean. But that's accompanied with
another change to Dells, where before in the current season of
the War Within, you would be able to get 21 of the precious
precious gilded crests to upgrade each week out of out of
the Delves that has been locked behind the 4th level.
Which means at first you're not going to get as many that that's
going to slow down your gearing through delves.
And when you take both these combined, it looks like they're
trying to slow down the gearing that they had in the previous
builds. The delve thing makes it a
little bit slower than we have on live, but of course we didn't
have the 18 plus end of vault on live.
So that's not really a change from what you're doing.
We'll see how this like comes out in in the wash, but what do
you guys think? Do you feel like it was better
supposedly last week when we'd be getting all this stuff if you
could push far enough, or do you think it's better that they put
a bit of the brakes on it? Sean, we'll go with you because
like I think you only ever touched delves like that first
week. I'm.
Going to let Lex go for I will. I do have thoughts but Lex
looked like she was ready to jump in.
So I'm going to let Lex go first.
Yeah, I guess I feel like delves are already one of the slower
gearing phases, especially for the higher level stuff.
And so nerfing them, it feels like I, I, I, I, I feel, and I
think I've said something similar before.
I, I feel like delves are for so many mythic plus sirs and
Raiders, sort of a like side thing.
They have to grind the the Blizzard team has a tendency to
kind of approach delves with how how are we going to stale this
for the people who use delves, the side thing they have to
grind so that they kind of are like not able to just pump them.
And I think that does the people who that hurts the most are the
people who use delves because they want to play delves and
they don't want to do mythic plus, which is why delves are
supposed to exist. And this has been one of my
ongoing frustrations with them where it it feels like delves
are being tuned for non delvers and that's kind of how I feel
about this. But also side question.
Side question. Wait, wait, before you jump into
the side question, I I got to refute your first point.
If you're delves only, you're getting heroic track items.
You're not getting mythic track items, which means you have to
go all the way up to the last parts of the gearing track to
actually even start using the gilded.
You're going to be probably blocked by by getting through
those first. Like let's say it's 6 out of 6,
I believe it's the first four require the heroic level and
then gilded is the last five out of six and six out of 6 didn't
to push you. Wait, didn't they change that?
So two things. First of all, don't I?
I'm truly losing the mind. Aren't.
Do you get mythic? You get the top level track from
the vault though, right? Have I forgotten how delving
gear works? No, if I could get mythic stuff
dropping out of delves. It's.
Especially. Not that you get mythic tracks
FO to delves but there is. Let me drop this link for you
guys in our discord chat. This is a breakdown.
They changed the way gearing upgrades work for midnight and
the intention I believe is that you get you only use the crests
that drop from the content to upgrade those pieces.
So I think your hero track all upgrades with the hero track OK
rests. OK, that would make the gilded
from delves even more useless for people who are just doing
delves. Only.
OK, well then maybe I'm just I'm forgetting how things work.
So I forgot I I was not aware of that change but if it was online
you still have we would still need to do it.
If like they stick to this again things are are subject to change
and I'm not staying on top of this then it becomes completely
useless for delve only people to be sitting on gilded.
Fairpoint. Fairpoint.
Yeah, yeah, it is. So Hero has four tracks and they
are all upgraded by Hero crests. So this doesn't actually if
you're a Delve only player, this won't have any impact on you at
all. Who cares, All is good.
OK, but what was your question? I jumped in there just because I
I wanted to talk about that. Oh, and it was even.
I thought there was one thing I was doing right as a good player
and now I'm suddenly thinking I'm wrong.
Am I supposed to be clicking on name plates instead of tabbing
through? Yes, especially if you're going
to like, because if you tab through, you're going to be like
tabbing and shift tabbing. I'll shift tab sometimes to go
back to my previous target, but tapping you're, you're probably
going to be tapping that thing a couple of times to get to the
one that you actually want. And like, there's a six of them,
no? What I I thought this was the
one thing I was doing as a good player.
I was like, OK, yeah, I keyboard turn.
OK yeah, I do all this like dumb ridiculous stuff.
I have insane add-ons. But the one thing I do like an
actual World of Warcraft player is I don't click on names.
I tab like an adult and turns out.
Like that, especially in the early pool, I'll like click on
the one that I want. I'll right Click to like set
focus on the the one that I need to like interrupt.
Like there's a lot of clicking on name plates.
Lex, I'm going to say something that might sound toxic.
I'm but it's not. It's.
I mean this in jest. I'm not a good player.
Yeah, that's no. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, I'm
not. I'm not going to say it.
Lex is the player that we lost Wigoris for.
Wigoris give you a competitive advantage over the average
player. But I didn't use Wigoris, Shawn.
I didn't understand them. For legal reasons, it's a joke.
Lex is my dear friend. I care about her very much.
That was. Not no.
I'm famously dumb. We can.
We can all see. See, now maybe we're all saying
it. I mean, I was vehemently
agreeing with you on the Delve things, and then I remembered,
wait, they changed that? Gilded crests do nothing for
Delve. Yeah, So I would like to change
my stance that I didn't say because I passed it to Lex and
let Lex take the fall on this. I don't, I I think that change
for Delves is fine. Now 3 1/2 minutes after you
initially asked me how I felt, I flipped on that.
But I do think that cutting back on the higher level keys being
done, changing the myth track you're getting in your vault is
not great. Like there should be something
for those players that are doing the, you know, above 12 and
below title. Like at this point they're
literally just doing it for the fun.
Yeah, just like the people who somehow go to like 20 twos and
20 fives. Well, they're doing it for.
Title right and don't get title or doing it for the love of the
game to see how far they can go. No, they're doing it for for
title. They get very sad and very angry
when they don't get when those people who push to that height
don't get title. They write Twitter tirades
blaming key selling and resilient keys for the reason
they couldn't get title. And then they make polls saying
look at how bad resilient keys are.
I didn't get title because resilient keys.
Let these groups sell more of them.
That's what those players too. They're not doing anything for
the love of the game. If they don't get title, they're
meaningless. Blah blah blah nuance blah blah
blah. Not every one of them.
Blah blah blah. Stop with the inflammatory
comments. Anyways, Yeah, there are people
who push beyond when they get rewarded because they want to go
further. There are people, there are
people who go just as far as the rewards because they feel
anything less is making them suboptimal, whether that is
because they're part of a rate team that they love and they
really want to make sure that they are getting those eighteens
done right. But before this, they would have
just done twelves and stopped at it.
And even though, hey, it's pure upside, you're getting this
other thing, there is a social downside to that.
So it is a give and take and the and the devs should consider
that like maybe maybe you're Sean Wilson or maybe you're
Manny Thomas, or maybe you're Lex Rance and Alexa will be here
for. Manny just covered Doxx, right?
Manny just covered doxing me on the he immediately you could for
those of you watching the show, you could see a Manny
immediately go. I just fucking Oh, I just shoot,
I just doxed Sean. I'm going to dox myself so he
doesn't get mad at me. And then he doxed himself and
then he was like, well, now I've said two of us.
I have to say Lex. He's like but I can't actually
dox. Wait, Sean, you know as well as
anyone else that my full guppy is Lex Rants.
Lex T rants. Lex T rants.
Lex Tiberius rants. That's right, right.
And we have all been there where it's like, OK, what does the
Guild require of me? What can I do to help the Guild
And push ourselves to do that, whether we wanted to do the 10
or the 12 or whatever, putting it, putting in the 18, we'll
just shift it further and maybe we'll shift it beyond what we
might otherwise do or otherwise consider fun.
So there is a cost to that. And like, I think it it, it
rewards those that are willing to push, but it also stresses
those that feel they have to push.
OK, All right. You've convinced me.
Given that I've been titled, this isn't relevant to me
because you know, I was going to be doing that high anyway.
Yeah, but you don't push title until like you, you pushed it to
18 first week because you're going to, you said you're going
to do that even with this being rolled back.
But you don't push title until they introduce like whatever
confounded thing in the .5 patch.
It gives you extra power and then put in turbo boost.
So that's that's when the real season starts.
I think that's garbage. Now who's being inflammatory?
We don't know that there will be a Mcguffin in the .5 patch that
gives us a power boost. Listen, listen, I will make a
cupcake. Specifically whatever flavor
cupcake you want, Sean. If there is no Mcguffin in the
.5 patch, if they don't replace Turboboost with some other
version of turbo nonsense, right?
What if we get through the .5 patch and the .5 patch stands on
itself instead of having whatever bullshit they want to
do to force people to come back in?
I will bake you a cupcake and I've never baked before in my
life, so I'm going to learn to bake to do this.
Well, and you're going to be a. Real hard one, because baking.
One singular cupcake is like. Oh no, I'll bake.
I'll bake a batch. No, you say 1.
Manny. You did say one, yeah.
One goes to Sean, one goes to Sean.
But I'm not going to like buy a bunch of materials and not make
a batch. You said you would bake a non.
Cupcake. You would bake a cupcake?
I don't know words work. Yes, I'll bake one.
But like in order to bake multiple, you still have to bake
one. OK.
All right. So I'll send you a list of
cupcakes that I'm interested in and you wish you could get
started. Changes are happening, changes
are coming. Big changes are coming on
Tuesday, January 20th or 21st if you're in the EU, 22nd if you're
in China and I think the 27th there's another region.
Oh, I think China and Korea are on different resets.
Anyway, lots of changes coming next week.
Final warning remix ends on the 19th.
It doesn't end on the 20th. The patch goes live on the 20th,
but Legion remix ends on reset the day of the 19th.
So Monday morning at 11 AM Eastern Standard Time remix
ends. Get all your bronze spent before
then. Do not delay, don't miss it.
You'll be so sad if you do. Gang, we covered a lot of stuff
today and we are hitting just about an hour.
Not really because we had some time at the beginning.
So we're hitting just about 53 minutes.
The perfect The internationally known perfect podcast length 53
ish minutes. Yeah.
Which one are you now? Continuing to talk so that we go
way past. That I'm not good at ending
things. This is why I stay in
relationships. Oh God help us all.
Manny's ready. Manny's ready for it to end.
All right, here we go, folks. Until next time, may all your
hits be grits.