1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:04,600 This is how I play. I can't run this thing at like 2 00:00:06,080 --> 00:00:09,440 lower than this level and feel good about about bringing this 3 00:00:09,440 --> 00:00:12,920 character to a raid. And that level is different for 4 00:00:12,920 --> 00:00:17,200 me than it is for Sean and the level that he plays at. 5 00:00:17,200 --> 00:00:24,000 That's different than the level that like Max or people on Echo 6 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:27,760 or people on Method Play. Victory for the Forsaken. 7 00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:34,080 For Lauderon, for the Karentor, for Pandaria. 8 00:00:36,480 --> 00:00:41,520 For calendar to. The burning region for Gilnaeus 9 00:00:41,520 --> 00:00:49,680 but has not died, for the Lich King, for the Sindora, for the 10 00:00:49,680 --> 00:00:54,600 Alliance, for the Horn, for Azeroth. 11 00:00:56,360 --> 00:01:00,440 Hello and welcome back to another episode of For Azra. 12 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:04,239 My name is Manny A gay, the true, real Manny, and I am 13 00:01:04,239 --> 00:01:10,000 joined by the wonderful, the amazing, the Wisconsin Lex. 14 00:01:11,080 --> 00:01:12,720 Hi, Manny. Those are words that everyone 15 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:16,280 says was about with Wisconsin. Every single time when I think 16 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:18,600 Wisconsin, I think wonderful. I think amazing. 17 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:21,600 I think wheat. I know wheat. 18 00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:22,800 What else? Wheat. 19 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:24,960 I don't know. It is Wisconsin. 20 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:30,560 Wisconsin's definitely cheese, but like this is this is where 21 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:33,120 I'm hitting the limitations of my US geography. 22 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:36,720 I feel like Wisconsin is one of those fly over states, which is 23 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:43,680 just like a lot of agriculture, not much of the of like a reason 24 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:46,080 to stop there. And usually it's just like plane 25 00:01:46,080 --> 00:01:48,960 flying over to your thing. So I'm, if somebody was like 26 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:53,240 point out Wisconsin on a map like I'd be pretty lost, Lex. 27 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:55,240 So if you want to give me the crash course here, where the 28 00:01:55,240 --> 00:01:57,360 hell is Wisconsin? I'm sorry, 'cause in Wisconsin, 29 00:01:57,360 --> 00:01:59,920 don't ask me. Where I failed every single time 30 00:01:59,920 --> 00:02:02,960 we had to do a like map test where we had to like put in the 31 00:02:02,960 --> 00:02:05,000 names. God help me, I was terrible at 32 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:06,480 that. I'm off the hook. 33 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:09,960 It's OK. I grew up in Iowa, as I think 34 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:13,040 I've mentioned a couple times. So I think this is true of all 35 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:16,360 of the Midwestern AG states. We are very agriculture, but 36 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:19,600 it's all corn, corn and soybeans because you can rotate them and 37 00:02:19,600 --> 00:02:22,480 they like replenish the like the soybeans replenish. 38 00:02:22,480 --> 00:02:23,680 I don't remember which one it is. 39 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:26,160 One of them is like really draining of the soil. 40 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:28,360 So then you rotate it out with the other one and that one 41 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:29,840 enriches it. I think it's the soybeans are 42 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:33,960 enriching and the corn is really, but anyway, you, you 43 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:36,640 drive through Iowa and it's like corn, corn, soybeans, soybean, 44 00:02:36,640 --> 00:02:39,120 corn, corn, corn. So I know what you're talking 45 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:40,160 about. But next time you're thinking 46 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:42,640 Wisconsin, think corn. And I might be wrong. 47 00:02:42,640 --> 00:02:46,560 I haven't been to Wisconsin. OK, All right. 48 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:51,000 I can't, I, I can't affiliate corn with Wisconsin because like 49 00:02:51,440 --> 00:02:56,040 in a little place a little bit north of me in Ontario, we have 50 00:02:56,160 --> 00:03:02,880 Buckhorn and the motto of the county is corn country. 51 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:05,640 And so Buckhorn is here in corn country now. 52 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:10,440 They're all that's just everything remotely western. 53 00:03:10,920 --> 00:03:12,680 It is I I just googled it. It is. 54 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:17,760 Corn, soybeans and hay are the major, major crops of Wisconsin. 55 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:19,000 Got it. OK. 56 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:22,560 But it is a fly over state, so I'm I'm OK with this all right. 57 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:25,360 The Midwest is all again. Again before anyone. 58 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:27,120 I mean you can drop as many angry comments as you want. 59 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:30,720 They increase our week. But I I'm an Iowa girly so I'm 60 00:03:30,720 --> 00:03:32,320 allowed to talk shit about the Midwest. 61 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:39,280 But I mean. OK, right, Well, you haven't 62 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:41,760 travelled far, but how is the World of Warcraft treating you? 63 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:46,840 It has been so good. I am still really, really loving 64 00:03:46,840 --> 00:03:48,960 this season. As somebody who primarily plays 65 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:53,320 solo, I am realizing that my, you know, significantly more 66 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:56,400 mature adult friends who have children and things are playing 67 00:03:56,400 --> 00:03:58,800 on a very different schedule than my little I Want to Wake Up 68 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:02,840 with the Sun by puppy dog. So unfortunately I'm struggling 69 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:06,200 to get groups with my friends but I'm learning to pug M0, 70 00:04:06,920 --> 00:04:09,760 which is not as scary as I thought it was. 71 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:12,760 So I'm pugging DPS. I've come to understand one 72 00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:17,000 thing about myself, which is that I I might, it's possible 73 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:20,720 that I would conceptually enjoy tanking, but the degree of like 74 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:23,960 stress and like the people pleaser in me want they so 75 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:26,200 obsessed with doing it right and perfectly and like Oh no, I 76 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:28,200 messed up and oh God I'm not facing this correctly. 77 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:30,360 I just, I cannot currently relax and enjoy it. 78 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:35,240 So I started pugging as DPS and what I'm learning from pugging 79 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:38,640 DPS and no longer being in a role where everything feels like 80 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:41,720 it is my fault because I was healer before I tried tank is 81 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:44,040 I'm like a solidly middle of the road player. 82 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:47,840 Like I was convinced that I was terrible at mythic and like now 83 00:04:47,840 --> 00:04:52,680 I'm like, oh you guys, if are we not doing mechanics like are we 84 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:55,760 just am I the only one interrupting me? 85 00:04:55,760 --> 00:04:57,280 It's. Like my everybody stupid? 86 00:04:57,280 --> 00:05:00,440 No, I'm joking. Yeah, there's some and I, I was 87 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:02,640 feeling a lot more confident in myself and I'm coming to 88 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:05,400 understand that. Like if it feels like the group 89 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:08,520 is making a lot of mistakes, it might not just be me. 90 00:05:08,840 --> 00:05:11,280 There might be other people making a lot of mistakes too. 91 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:17,880 Yeah, I'm having I I am, I am loving the prey system so much. 92 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:23,120 That is super fun. I'm very grumpy with the the 93 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:26,200 world quest rewards felt really great for the first like day and 94 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:29,720 then I learned that it's all one handed weapons and rings and 95 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:32,600 trinkets and I'm sick of it but that's OK, whatever. 96 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:34,920 I'll just go gather traps because I don't want to do the 97 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:37,080 world quest anyway because. They're doing nothing. 98 00:05:38,880 --> 00:05:42,400 I don't hate you. I don't hate you, I just like my 99 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:48,040 world quest have been cloaks and I have gone I have gone 100 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:49,880 trinkets, but it's all the stuff that I don't need. 101 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:56,080 I really need some rings and until like just minutes before, 102 00:05:56,120 --> 00:06:00,200 maybe an hour before this recording, I needed a main hand 103 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:04,320 for my warlock in the worst way. So you to be like, Oh yeah, just 104 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:06,040 main hands and tricks them like in rings. 105 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:09,040 I'm like, come on. That's those are the holes in my 106 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:11,480 gearing up strategy right now. I. 107 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:14,720 Swear to God that it is reading whatever we have and giving us 108 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:20,320 what we don't need, because I spent the last two weeks in 165 109 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:24,280 pants doing everything I could to get any other pants. 110 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:27,840 It literally I have two O 7 pants now because I was whining 111 00:06:27,840 --> 00:06:30,400 about this so hard that my leather working fans made me 112 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:33,280 pants and I I I haven't seen any. 113 00:06:33,280 --> 00:06:36,520 It's terrible, like and and I was just unlucky with my like. 114 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:39,960 I also, I've gotten so many like I'm I'm sorry Manny, I really 115 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:42,320 don't mean to rub this. No, no, no, I'm listening. 116 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:47,560 Like I keep the same weapons keep dropping in my also sorry 117 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:51,040 let me finish this the same weapons keep dropping in my 118 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:55,400 delve chest every single time. Also Speaking of world quest 119 00:06:55,480 --> 00:07:01,240 rewards being terrible, I once had two unique I think it was a 120 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:07,360 unique ring in the same zone and I'm like why would I want this? 121 00:07:09,880 --> 00:07:14,520 Well, in terms of world quest rewards, they do all pull from 122 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:16,920 the same table. So regardless of like it just 123 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:19,040 sucks that they have to be the exact same zone right beside 124 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:21,360 each other, just staring you at the face be like. 125 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:25,040 But yeah, they do all pull from the same table. 126 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:28,240 So you are going to see those those duplicates there. 127 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:36,840 I have had some bad, bad luck on different things. 128 00:07:36,840 --> 00:07:38,240 I've had some good luck on stuff. 129 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:40,680 I do think that, you know, we're, we're human, we're going 130 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:47,120 to remember the bad stuff more so like when I did pray and I 131 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:51,680 can tell you like, Oh my goodness, on my, on my warlock, 132 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:56,280 I got the same reward like twice in a row when I was trying to 133 00:07:56,280 --> 00:07:58,680 gear up. Like I can't remember what I got 134 00:07:58,680 --> 00:08:02,080 on the shaman, but I'm sure it was good because like my shaman 135 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:04,320 was like pretty good on the spread. 136 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:08,480 So we do remember the bad luck a lot more. 137 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:15,840 But that's part of game design. In theory. 138 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:20,880 You kind of want to avoid the appearance of hard done ship 139 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:25,280 that that that can cause people to like feel bad. 140 00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:27,640 Those feel bad moments is what what they've said a couple of 141 00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:30,240 times. And maybe maybe the loot table 142 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:32,679 could use a little little bit more love. 143 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:37,360 But one thing that you did mention though, is you're a 144 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:39,880 leather worker friend making you that those pants. 145 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:45,440 So you got out of those 160 fives guys, I'm not sure how 146 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:51,920 much longer this will last and but go on the auction house, buy 147 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:58,440 yourself some Blues. You will find that probably not 148 00:08:58,440 --> 00:09:01,920 by the time you listen to this, but if you if you had some time 149 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:03,000 machine, you could go back a week. 150 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:05,880 They were going for like 2 digits. 151 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:13,240 Like you could buy a pair of of 200 or one mirror 200 pants for 152 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:18,280 like 50 gold. Like it was, it was ridiculous. 153 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:22,440 Which kind of brings us to our first story, why the auction 154 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:28,000 house is in this state. There was an exploit where 155 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:32,400 people could infinitely get knowledge points for their 156 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:34,760 professions. This meant that people could 157 00:09:34,760 --> 00:09:40,680 craft like the best stuff that you normally wouldn't see until 158 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:44,760 much later in the game, not much later in the season, but like 159 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:51,560 much later, like season 2, Season 3, sort of like they had 160 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:57,320 infinite knowledge points, maxed out their trees, and therefore 161 00:09:57,440 --> 00:10:01,480 they were making rank threes with like the lowest quality 162 00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:03,840 stuff because they had it all kitted out. 163 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:07,640 And as they were then the only thing that they needed was to 164 00:10:07,640 --> 00:10:10,440 get their skill points from let's say 50 to 100. 165 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:14,360 There was some people who did this exploit that were cranking 166 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:17,720 out items. And because the market got 167 00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:21,960 flooded so fast with such high quality items, prices dropped 168 00:10:22,560 --> 00:10:28,120 and are still quite low. So whereas, like, the first 169 00:10:28,120 --> 00:10:34,840 week, you could find maybe a blue pair of pants, Lex, and it 170 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:37,760 would have cost you a couple of 1000 gold, and you would have 171 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:40,080 been like, maybe I want to do this. 172 00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:47,000 Yeah, at one point I was buying up Blues for disenchanting at 25 173 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:50,600 gold apiece just like, OK, sure. And it would get the 50. 174 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:52,920 And I'd be like, I'll wait till somebody drops that down. 175 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:58,000 Now we're all of you guys wondering, oh, man, I got to get 176 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:01,800 me some of that. Actually, yesterday, everyone 177 00:11:01,800 --> 00:11:07,040 who used that may have been hit by a big old band wave. 178 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:11,160 This band wave lasted is going to last seven days. 179 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:15,520 So from Tuesday through to the next reset, all of their 180 00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:17,480 knowledge points have been reset. 181 00:11:17,840 --> 00:11:20,680 I'm not sure if that means that they're back down to 0, which 182 00:11:20,680 --> 00:11:25,560 would be wonderful concerning how short the the ban the ban 183 00:11:25,560 --> 00:11:29,280 is, but they might have just been reset to what they would 184 00:11:29,280 --> 00:11:38,880 have been without the exploit. Lex, you could have taken 185 00:11:38,880 --> 00:11:43,080 advantage of this, but I'm assuming that you were you. 186 00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:48,200 You were nice clear from all of this, and clearly because you 187 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:51,080 didn't pick up stuff, you were also not partaking in this, even 188 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:54,560 indirectly like I was. What do you think about this? 189 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:59,880 So I, I think I'm kind of moving a little bit off of my, if 190 00:11:59,880 --> 00:12:02,520 Blizzard makes a mistake and people exploit, it sucks to suck 191 00:12:02,760 --> 00:12:06,440 because I mean, that did actually effect like, I, I think 192 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:09,960 this was one where it's pretty clear how people exploiting 193 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:13,480 something affected other players and affected the economy and 194 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:15,000 made it so you kind of had to exploit. 195 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:19,440 So as much as I know this is hypocritical after some of my 196 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:22,360 historical takes on this podcast, I do actually think 197 00:12:22,360 --> 00:12:26,320 that was a good ban. And I think, I mean, they, they 198 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:30,520 have put a little bit of the fear of God in people. 199 00:12:30,520 --> 00:12:34,080 Like I was when I was doing the delve quest, the the opening 200 00:12:34,080 --> 00:12:37,880 quest there's when you go in, you can go talk to this woman 201 00:12:37,880 --> 00:12:41,520 and she gives you a free delve and if you haven't closed the 202 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:45,480 window, it looks like you can click on the item again, right? 203 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:47,440 It doesn't go away and it's a free item. 204 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:51,160 I think it might be too anyway that it looks like you click on 205 00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:53,360 again and I was so scared to click on. 206 00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:55,560 I did hear from one of my guildies that it doesn't it's 207 00:12:55,560 --> 00:12:58,520 not a true exploit, right? You can't get unlimited keys out 208 00:12:58,520 --> 00:13:02,720 of that. But I think that is honestly for 209 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:07,400 the best because I think it the idea that these are innocent and 210 00:13:07,400 --> 00:13:09,680 that these people genuinely didn't realize they were 211 00:13:09,680 --> 00:13:14,360 exploiting is not feeling very true. 212 00:13:15,800 --> 00:13:19,560 I think if it was like a like a true, for example, the people 213 00:13:19,560 --> 00:13:22,920 who are like grinding the frogs that drops extra stuff in 214 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:28,440 original Mr. Pandaria remix that I think you can actually like, 215 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:31,040 I, I can understand the mindset of like, hey, I guess they're 216 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:33,040 offering it, you know, whatever. I'm just being smart. 217 00:13:33,040 --> 00:13:34,600 I'm going to the place that grinds easiest. 218 00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:39,880 But yeah, if it's blatantly obvious that somebody made a 219 00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:43,640 coding bug and you're using it, at least at the very least 220 00:13:43,640 --> 00:13:46,600 Blizzard has made it very clear, you should not be surprised if 221 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:48,120 you get a ban. And at this point, I feel like 222 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:50,480 everyone understands the fire they're playing with when they 223 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:55,520 actually. Yeah, I think that in this case 224 00:13:55,640 --> 00:13:58,680 it's a true exploit. In the case of the frogs, I'd 225 00:13:58,680 --> 00:14:01,280 say that's a creative use of game mechanics. 226 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:09,080 And I think that the way Blizzard went about it shows the 227 00:14:09,080 --> 00:14:12,320 difference between the two. Where with the frogs, they said 228 00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:16,720 OK, well, like, OK, that that was a little too far. 229 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:20,120 And what we're going to do is we're going to roll you back to 230 00:14:20,120 --> 00:14:22,400 something decent. We're going to shut down that 231 00:14:23,280 --> 00:14:25,600 that thing so it can't happen anymore. 232 00:14:25,880 --> 00:14:28,440 Even though anybody can argue that it shouldn't have been in 233 00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:30,560 there in the 1st place. We're not having an argument 234 00:14:30,560 --> 00:14:33,200 right now. It is now that it we're at this 235 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:39,320 point what what is fair for Blizzard to do and then allowing 236 00:14:39,480 --> 00:14:44,560 people who had not taken participated in that a way to 237 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:48,760 catch up further. So people are on a relatively 238 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:51,440 stable thing. I think that is the like our 239 00:14:51,440 --> 00:14:53,360 bad. OK, we can't we we're not going 240 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:57,320 to throw the book at you. But this one was literally a 241 00:14:57,320 --> 00:15:02,320 weird a weird thing that like after you do it like, let's say 242 00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:06,080 2 three times, you're like, oh, knowledge book, huh. 243 00:15:06,560 --> 00:15:07,760 It's weird. It didn't go out of the IT 244 00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:11,680 didn't go out of stock. Let me go pick up another one. 245 00:15:12,160 --> 00:15:13,960 That's odd. It didn't go out of stock. 246 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:17,200 Let me pick up another one. And then you do that hundreds, 247 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:22,560 if not thousands of times. Yeah, no, that, that is, that is 248 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:26,840 not a creative use of game mechanics. 249 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:31,680 That is an exploit in what is clearly not not the intended 250 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:35,080 behavior and. Have to keep the the trade 251 00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:36,880 window open. Like it wasn't like you could 252 00:15:36,880 --> 00:15:39,400 close out of it and then go. So come on. 253 00:15:39,800 --> 00:15:42,720 Like, yeah, again, maybe the first copy like, oh, that's so 254 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:44,440 cool. The Blizzard lets me keep buying 255 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:47,600 this. But you know what's going on? 256 00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:51,320 You know what you're doing. I may have gotten a second copy 257 00:15:51,320 --> 00:15:55,000 of one of the books on one one of my characters because it's 258 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:57,280 sort of like a oh great, there's the books and stuff. 259 00:15:57,280 --> 00:16:00,720 And then I'm like, did I buy that already or I, I can't 260 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:02,760 recall. And so like, but I didn't catch 261 00:16:02,760 --> 00:16:04,160 a ban. If you did it once or twice 262 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:07,560 innocently, maybe it knocked you down a point and didn't throw 263 00:16:07,560 --> 00:16:09,880 you a ban. I can't tell because I, I 264 00:16:09,880 --> 00:16:12,280 genuinely don't know if I had done it. 265 00:16:12,280 --> 00:16:15,720 Please don't make this the like let's report Manny podcast 266 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:18,920 because because I might not have. 267 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:20,320 And then you're just wasting their time. 268 00:16:20,720 --> 00:16:25,760 Anyways. There was another one, Lex, that 269 00:16:25,760 --> 00:16:34,240 was also changed in in Midnight the first week, the Legends of 270 00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:39,160 Har and our quest. You could do that on one 271 00:16:39,160 --> 00:16:42,360 character, go back on another character, pick a different 272 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:44,520 story. And if you had enough 273 00:16:44,520 --> 00:16:47,840 characters, you could do all of them, right. 274 00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:51,200 And that they changed to be no, no, actually you're only 275 00:16:51,200 --> 00:16:55,840 supposed to be able to do one story each week per account. 276 00:16:57,360 --> 00:17:00,800 So in that way, they didn't ban anybody. 277 00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:03,680 They didn't even remove anything. 278 00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:10,160 They just said OK, like the last two are still locked out in in a 279 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:12,599 couple of weeks where you're actually supposed to get the 280 00:17:12,599 --> 00:17:16,200 like additional story stuff. You will get the additional 281 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:21,400 story stuff and you can now and you can now wait for other 282 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:23,880 people to catch up. But there were no bands about 283 00:17:23,880 --> 00:17:27,960 that. I actually don't know if they if 284 00:17:27,960 --> 00:17:30,640 they are allowing people to like redo some of the ones that they 285 00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:34,080 didn't do on other on their other characters. 286 00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:40,880 So like, let's say your priest hasn't done any and your war and 287 00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:47,880 your Demon Hunter has done too. I'm not sure if you're if your 288 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:51,480 priest is now locked out of everything your Demon Hunter has 289 00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:54,480 done or if you're allowed to do that again. 290 00:17:55,200 --> 00:17:58,080 Regardless, there were no bands there. 291 00:17:58,760 --> 00:18:00,920 There were there was just like a hey, you're like, yes, this, 292 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:05,520 this should have actually been locked to the account level and 293 00:18:05,520 --> 00:18:10,400 we're going to change that. So do you, like, do you think 294 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:14,400 that Blizzard should put down a notice of like, here's here's 295 00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:17,720 the stuff that counts as pure abuse, Here's the stuff that 296 00:18:17,720 --> 00:18:22,880 counts as like creative usage? Or do you think it's better that 297 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:26,280 they keep it ambiguous so that they can act accordingly? 298 00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:28,440 I think, I think keep it ambiguous. 299 00:18:28,480 --> 00:18:34,080 I think, I think if they were like, if they were to make a 300 00:18:34,080 --> 00:18:38,280 list of potential exploits, they would almost certainly miss 301 00:18:38,280 --> 00:18:39,640 something. Like I'm sure they wouldn't have 302 00:18:39,640 --> 00:18:42,960 thought in advance of like, oh, if we accidentally code 303 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:44,040 something. So something you're only 304 00:18:44,040 --> 00:18:46,080 supposed to buy once, you can buy an infinite number of times, 305 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:48,720 right? And also presumably if they can 306 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:51,400 think of a potential exploit, they should be checking for it. 307 00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:53,880 Their QA team should be looking at that specifically. 308 00:18:55,640 --> 00:19:00,760 So I, I do think it should stay generally like what's up, 309 00:19:00,760 --> 00:19:04,120 whatever is going on. Because, yeah, I mean, I, I 310 00:19:04,120 --> 00:19:07,440 think if somebody could genuinely good faith believe 311 00:19:08,040 --> 00:19:11,800 this is what Blizzard wanted, like, I, I, I can, I think this 312 00:19:11,800 --> 00:19:14,080 is what Blizzard wanted us to do, right? 313 00:19:14,080 --> 00:19:15,960 Or I guess they, I guess they changed their mind, you know, I 314 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:17,680 guess, oh, maybe they did actually want to be able to do 315 00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:19,760 all the legend of Haranar on week one. 316 00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:24,760 That's crazy. Anyway, I I that I think should 317 00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:28,200 not come with punishments if it's that type of mistake. 318 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:34,280 I also like by and large think if it's not game breaking, if 319 00:19:34,280 --> 00:19:37,120 Blizzard makes a mistake, like generally I don't think that the 320 00:19:37,120 --> 00:19:39,680 players should get punished for finding a mistake. 321 00:19:39,680 --> 00:19:42,000 Like if it's something silly and fun, right? 322 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:44,440 Like the people who figure out how to get into Galliwick's room 323 00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:46,880 early in the race, like, yeah, obviously they shouldn't be 324 00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:49,600 getting rewards out of it, but like, whatever it's go for. 325 00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:54,680 But something that is potentially like, affects the 326 00:19:54,680 --> 00:19:57,040 way that other people can play the game. 327 00:19:57,040 --> 00:20:02,120 For example, devastating the market on crafted goods in a way 328 00:20:02,120 --> 00:20:04,160 that if you don't do the exploit, you're not really 329 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:08,520 capable of making money in a certain period of time. 330 00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:12,520 I think that's a different that does need to be handled a little 331 00:20:12,520 --> 00:20:17,560 bit more strictly so that people don't feel that they can they 332 00:20:17,560 --> 00:20:21,280 should exploit these things. That could make other people's 333 00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:24,520 game less fun. Yeah, actually I think that was 334 00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:28,120 an amazing example. The Galliwick's skip back in 335 00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:31,440 Liberation of Undermine was something that like, clearly 336 00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:34,440 that wasn't supposed to be done and they removed them off the 337 00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:37,480 Hall of Fame and then they locked that away. 338 00:20:39,120 --> 00:20:43,200 So yeah, like there are definitely levels to it. 339 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:48,280 I just, I wish that there weren't so many recent examples. 340 00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:54,320 I remember a podcaster that was like, I, I feel like it's making 341 00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:57,280 that they're like they're doing this pace so fast and I don't 342 00:20:57,280 --> 00:21:01,400 want these guys overworked. We'll we'll keep that person 343 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:05,160 anonymous for now, but let's let's hope who knows? 344 00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:07,480 So anonymous person somewhere out there in the Internet. 345 00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:15,120 Wise words. So, yeah, but that was just the 346 00:21:15,120 --> 00:21:24,920 start of our Week 1 of Season 1 because we've also seen a number 347 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:31,040 of balance changes both to the classes because they said, hey, 348 00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:36,920 we're holding off on balance until week of the heroic week. 349 00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:39,280 And so this is the first week of the balance changes. 350 00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:43,360 There is going to be more coming later when when hurric week is 351 00:21:43,360 --> 00:21:44,800 done. And it got the data from people 352 00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:48,680 running through dungeons and going absolutely nuts or running 353 00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:51,720 through raid and going absolutely nuts or struggle 354 00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:54,160 busing, whichever class that might be. 355 00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:57,440 So there will be more tuning. But in this first wave of 356 00:21:57,440 --> 00:22:00,800 tuning, we've seen some pretty big swings here. 357 00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:07,680 We have seen, of course everybody could point to the 358 00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:12,600 particular ones that were over performing and we're so far 359 00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:17,480 ahead and so some of those classes have received some 360 00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:20,520 pretty heavy nerfs. We've also seen the back of the 361 00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:26,080 pack being lifted up. If you are a guardian Druid, I'm 362 00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:28,720 really sorry the nerf bat came for you. 363 00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:35,000 This seems like some pretty heavy nerves and some for their 364 00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:40,480 damage but people are saying this might be too far. 365 00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:43,080 This may have killed guardian druid. 366 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:48,360 I don't think it's just that guardian druid caught the caught 367 00:22:48,360 --> 00:22:51,120 the nerf bat. I think it's also because 368 00:22:51,360 --> 00:22:56,280 Ferrell that was doing pretty well and balance also received 369 00:22:56,280 --> 00:22:59,520 some buffs. And when you're when you're 370 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:03,840 looking at this, this kind of stuff, this is this is where 371 00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:06,320 Sean would chime in and talk about like how things are in the 372 00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:12,640 race, the world first. But it's matters in that way 373 00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:17,200 because these teams, they're going to define the meta. 374 00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:21,240 They are going to take particular classes, they're 375 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:25,280 going to fit it into their entire matrix of what they're 376 00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:33,360 taking into the fights. And if Guardian Druid isn't 377 00:23:33,360 --> 00:23:40,360 doing well and the other specs that also bring those that 378 00:23:40,360 --> 00:23:44,440 utility that the class brings are is are doing well, well then 379 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:49,280 guardian gets SAT because it's easier to go grab the feral and 380 00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:52,680 fit that into DPS or the boom can and fit that into the DPS. 381 00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:59,760 Then use a tank spot for that. And then brewmaster monks, yes 382 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:04,920 one of their specs got hit, but there are other spec wasn't 383 00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:09,320 doing that bad. And when I say spec, I mean hero 384 00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:12,600 talents wasn't doing that bad and so people are saying that 385 00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:18,760 Brewmaster Monk may have dodged. I said that I feel like I just 386 00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:19,920 made a pun. I'm sorry guys. 387 00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:24,600 Brewmaster. Brewmaster Monk dodged the 388 00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:28,240 bullet on this one. And so Brewmaster Monks are 389 00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:31,440 looking really strong. There are of course some things 390 00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:35,800 that are like doing better. Relative Elemental Shaman was 391 00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:38,560 doing pretty good, but wasn't one of the outstanding ones. 392 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:43,480 It got buffs, while all those other ones that were like, oh, 393 00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:47,320 the outstanding ones, they've received nerves, which kind of 394 00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:51,360 catapulted elemental in people's eyes ahead of this. 395 00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:56,040 But the The thing is though, guys, a lot of this is 396 00:24:56,040 --> 00:25:00,520 perspective. A lot of this is not exactly how 397 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:04,720 tightly they're balanced, but how people feel they are 398 00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:09,080 balanced. So Lex, again, you're mostly 399 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:11,760 playing solo. You've been really into the game 400 00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:15,800 and less and less about like all the conversations going on 401 00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:18,680 around the game. Have you been hearing people 402 00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:22,560 like moaning about how how much their class has been done in by 403 00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:25,400 the nerves or how much they've been helped by the buffs? 404 00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:29,680 I haven't heard much about buffs or nerves. 405 00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:34,840 I do feel like I had heard things like I feel like it 406 00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:36,480 actually heard that monk was really good. 407 00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:40,400 So I'm kind of surprised that they got they got some cute 408 00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:48,360 little buffs there. I think maybe I've just missed 409 00:25:48,360 --> 00:25:51,440 it because these I mean, like there are some big changes that 410 00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:53,560 that they released with this. So I'm kind of surprised that I 411 00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:56,240 haven't heard more people freak out a little bit. 412 00:25:56,960 --> 00:26:02,840 But no, I've somehow missed a lot of the stress about about 413 00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:07,360 tuning in general. Yeah, I'm really glad to hear 414 00:26:07,360 --> 00:26:10,280 that. Because like, I don't know, I, 415 00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:14,640 I've so much of the World of Warcraft conversation in the 416 00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:19,960 past has been about like the meta specs or what is like the 417 00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:22,360 OP thing that you've got to bring or you got to be playing 418 00:26:22,360 --> 00:26:25,720 Lex, get off of Havoc, you've got to be playing Devourer cause 419 00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:33,160 Devourer's craziness. And I find that like modern 420 00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:41,080 balancing and generally content creators have acknowledged that 421 00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:48,960 for the, for the overwhelming most part, all classes are able 422 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:56,440 to do pretty much all content. It's just that the cutting edge, 423 00:26:56,440 --> 00:27:01,680 the bleeding edge of like race to world first and and that's 424 00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:07,400 the sort of thing is what the meta is based on. 425 00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:11,720 I am playing a enhancement shaman and I'm sure if you were 426 00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:14,440 to look over on Wowhead you'd see enhancement shaman is not 427 00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:16,240 anywhere near the top of the meters. 428 00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:20,120 I am playing an affliction warlock and I'm sure if you were 429 00:27:20,120 --> 00:27:24,040 to look at I think Calamazzi does things he would be 430 00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:28,560 bemoaning afflictions single target damage. 431 00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:34,080 Enhancement Shaman. With the this week's hot fixes, 432 00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:40,240 they received some general damage buffs to the spenders. 433 00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:45,880 I think this is actually pretty good for enhancement shaman. 434 00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:50,280 Obviously I am absolutely biased, but I think that the 435 00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:56,600 buffs to the spenders actually bring Stormbringer a little bit 436 00:27:56,600 --> 00:28:01,880 closer to Totemic because Stormbringer generally relies 437 00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:08,520 more on it. It's it's finishers but that is 438 00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:12,840 a too far down the shaman talk tree of. 439 00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:18,400 I'm surprised that Affliction didn't get much of anything, but 440 00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:23,000 I am playing with some people who are playing at like mythic 441 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:29,960 level and I'm hanging in there even though affliction this is 442 00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:32,840 like my first tier playing affliction. 443 00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:37,080 I was literally learning the single target while I was 444 00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:44,840 raiding the other day and I'm glad that the tuning isn't so 445 00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:48,200 off that I that I felt like out to lunch. 446 00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:53,600 Also find sorry little aside, I find that like the classes in 447 00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:56,880 terms of their complexity and how you can learn them and pick 448 00:28:56,880 --> 00:29:00,400 up the rotation at a really good spot right now. 449 00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:04,920 I know I have friends that are three crafters that would 450 00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:09,840 ardently disagree with me, but Lex, how? 451 00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:12,240 How are you feeling about class complexity? 452 00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:15,320 How does it feel to play your Demon Hunter? 453 00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:19,200 So one thing that I think I might have mentioned on the show 454 00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:21,320 before when I switched over to Vengeance really quick, 455 00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:23,720 Vengeance is actually much harder than happy. 456 00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:29,880 Maybe it's just that I like and Havoc is particularly easy 457 00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:32,400 because it is a very structured rotation. 458 00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:36,320 Like you can basically tune out, like plan out exactly what 459 00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:37,680 you're going to do. There's really no procs. 460 00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:43,000 There's a little bit of like certain talents mean that 461 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:46,280 certain things will come off cool down faster, but overall 462 00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:49,040 it's a very clear structure of what you were going to do at 463 00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:52,320 what moment when Vengeance is very much more of a build and 464 00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:54,000 burn, which I've just never really played. 465 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:55,800 So it feels really, really overwhelming to me. 466 00:29:56,080 --> 00:30:00,200 But havoc I'm like, I don't know, I guess I'll put blur on 467 00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:02,560 my hot bar because I don't know what else I put here. 468 00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:04,840 Like I had like open spots. I don't know what to do with 469 00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:07,360 vengeance. I'm getting all my key vines and 470 00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:10,560 like, you know, also another level up and like it's vengeance 471 00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:17,120 scares me right now. And but so havoc I I I still 472 00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:23,000 kind of miss my sigil, but we so we really didn't get we got our 473 00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:25,280 sigil taken off and I think we might have gotten a couple other 474 00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:29,680 like utility spells managed. I'm actually so I'm on the 475 00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:31,600 Wowhead list right now. I didn't realize I was playing 476 00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:34,800 AD tier mythic plus DPS. So that's why nobody's inviting 477 00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:37,160 me to groups. But that's also not true, by the 478 00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:38,760 way, because I did get into plugs. 479 00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:44,120 So who cares? I'm not a stupid, but havoc. 480 00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:47,920 I mean, so I have also one thing I really decided to do this 481 00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:50,800 tier. I don't have ADPS meter going 482 00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:54,680 right now because I was thinking about it and I'm like, look, I, 483 00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:58,480 I never like choosing to do bad DPS, right? 484 00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:01,400 If my DPS is low, it's never because I'm like, I will do a 485 00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:03,840 bad job today. I could choose to be better, but 486 00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:05,520 I instead I'm going to do poorly. 487 00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:08,960 So I'm always pushing at my top output. 488 00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:12,440 So all that a damage meter does is make me feel bad about 489 00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:15,160 myself. So I have no idea where I'm 490 00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:18,040 hitting on dungeons right now. I don't know if I'm, you know, 491 00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:19,960 just hanging with the tank. I don't know if I'm top. 492 00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:23,680 I know I'm pulling aggro a fair amount, so presumably I'm doing 493 00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:27,880 well, but I'm, I'm really not allowing myself to look at that 494 00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:31,160 because I'm with rating we log. So I can, you know, after raid 495 00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:33,520 go and look and see how I was doing and, you know, plug things 496 00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:36,120 into wow analyzer and figure out what I was maybe struggling with 497 00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:40,360 and things like that. But I don't see a huge benefit 498 00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:43,240 of putting the damage meter. I I feel so much better in 499 00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:47,320 dungeon when I'm not focused on DPS and what I am focused on 500 00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:49,920 things like havoc has a lot of utility and a lot of dungeons 501 00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:52,640 right now because we have a ton of I'm actually kind of 502 00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:54,160 surprised it's so low on the on the list. 503 00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:58,440 DPS must suck because you know, there's so many tasters. 504 00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:01,000 So the fact that I have my interrupt and also my group's 505 00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:04,760 done like I've, I wipe out half the mechanics with that right? 506 00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:06,600 Like so many things are interrupt, you know, like 507 00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:07,960 interrupt, all these different things. 508 00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:10,960 I can run into a group, hit whatever, then it's green. 509 00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:11,880 I know what the button looks like. 510 00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:14,920 I don't know what it's called. Knock everyone out and have a 511 00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:19,800 good day right, so I pay off Nova right right, and I mean I'm 512 00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:22,520 also it's it's super useful with all the casters because it's 513 00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:25,920 really easy for me to run over to a caster mid cast, kick it 514 00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:29,360 and make it run over to the tank like I'm learning how to play my 515 00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:32,280 class with like the utility of it is is really strong in my 516 00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:33,080 opinion. I guess I don't know. 517 00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:37,080 I I have nothing to compare it to but I mean. 518 00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:40,800 You used to play on your priest, so you you have a where you were 519 00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:44,120 coming from. I will also say I think spending 520 00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:46,680 any time tanking did teach me a lot of stuff. 521 00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:49,360 Like for example I never before would have thought like if there 522 00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:52,000 was a caster over there I would have been like why is the damn 523 00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:53,520 tank not on the day? Over. 524 00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:56,560 There, go deal with it. And now I see that I'm like, OK, 525 00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:58,560 I know what's going on. They're not going to move until 526 00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:00,080 they're interrupted. So I just have to, you know, 527 00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:03,040 venture a treat over there, kick them fell rush back in do my I'm 528 00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:04,320 being good. We're having a good day. 529 00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:10,720 So I will say having spending time learning different classes 530 00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:13,200 and different roles is really useful just because then you can 531 00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:16,040 kind of start to get a better sense of what your healer's 532 00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:17,640 dealing with, what your tank's dealing with. 533 00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:19,760 You know how you can help, how you can use your utility. 534 00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:22,840 I fully, Oh, I was. We were supposed to be talking 535 00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:25,120 about how things are feeling. No, I I love this. 536 00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:28,960 You're talking about getting more pieces of the puzzle or so 537 00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:33,400 that you can like from where you are, know where you fit and what 538 00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:34,960 you can do to help better. I love that. 539 00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:38,480 Yeah, this is not a surprising take on the show, but one thing 540 00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:42,200 I will say is like, if you are not playing this game as a job, 541 00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:45,320 it is a game. And so therefore do what is fun. 542 00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:47,640 Almost nobody that you're grouping with and you're like 543 00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:51,200 random pugs is playing at an extremely high level. 544 00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:55,640 So like, if the meta is looking at like the top players when 545 00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:58,240 they're doing the top output, your teammates aren't doing 546 00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:00,880 their top output. Like you're not playing with 547 00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:03,520 people who've memorized the rotation to the perfect. 548 00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:06,280 Maybe you are, I don't know, but you're probably not. 549 00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:08,400 And if you, if you are, you're probably not listening to me. 550 00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:10,960 You probably know to tune my little voice out every time I 551 00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:17,000 come onto the podcast. So I, I, I play for fun. 552 00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:20,280 I and I think that more people should play World of Warcraft 553 00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:23,880 for the joy of it. I love Havoc. 554 00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:27,120 I knew that Havoc was going to at least significantly 555 00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:31,520 underperform Devourer, but it's such a just fun and joyful 556 00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:37,080 spectrum that I within like a week on beta, I was like, no 557 00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:39,679 chance will I be doing anything other than Havoc. 558 00:34:39,679 --> 00:34:44,480 I switched back so fast. So yeah, it's a, it's a, it's a 559 00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:46,000 video game. None of us are competing at the 560 00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:48,000 level where we're doing SIM level damage. 561 00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:50,960 Learn your utility, have a good time. 562 00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:58,240 Well, despite being a DTA or mythic pluser Devourer caught a 563 00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:03,200 small nerf. Would be 4% overall damage dealt 564 00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:05,080 reduce? Devourer is killing it. 565 00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:08,680 Devourer is SI think yeah, Oh, it's a plus. 566 00:35:08,720 --> 00:35:10,960 Whatever. OK, well they they did receive a 567 00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:14,080 small nerf. Meanwhile, Havoc received a 568 00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:20,480 number of buffs, including a 6% global damage increase and 569 00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:24,240 damage increases to specific spells, including emulation or 570 00:35:24,240 --> 00:35:30,160 and and buffs to their a jockey Reaver, her tree as well. 571 00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:33,040 So hopefully that'll that'll help you out. 572 00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:37,560 But I think it's it is really about just narrowing that band. 573 00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:41,840 And like I said, there are more buffs coming in the in the weeks 574 00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:44,640 as they get more numbers. So if you're like, why didn't 575 00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:47,240 you get touched right now? Or maybe it wasn't quite enough. 576 00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:52,400 Don't don't lose hope. There is there is more buffs to 577 00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:55,760 come. Were you saying in beta, Manny, 578 00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:58,720 that you should really want your class to be significantly 579 00:35:58,720 --> 00:36:00,960 underperforming in beta? Because anything that looks 580 00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:04,680 really good early in the season or in like PTR and things is 581 00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:08,040 going to get absolutely nerfed into the ground and anything 582 00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:10,240 that is like really underperforming, they're going 583 00:36:10,240 --> 00:36:13,000 to bump it right on up. So there we go, kids. 584 00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:15,560 That's why I'm playing AD tier Mythic plus. 585 00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:21,880 The exact place you want to be is kind of where elemental 586 00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:25,640 landed, where you are not at the top of the pack. 587 00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:28,000 So you're not going to hit the get those nerves. 588 00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:31,680 But once those guys hit their nerves, you might be the top. 589 00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:33,200 And I think that's where elemental is. 590 00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:37,760 And elemental got like the most modest of buffs. 591 00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:41,840 I think they got their spenders, which is like earthquake and and 592 00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:48,000 earth shock. Oh, it was just the AOE stuff, 593 00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:51,400 allegedly. Let me go look at the look. 594 00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:54,000 Look at it right there. Because we got another round. 595 00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:55,720 Oh wait, wait, wait, wait. Sorry, I might have been too 596 00:36:55,720 --> 00:36:56,080 high. Is this? 597 00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:58,720 PvP No, you're right. Elemental chain lightning by 598 00:36:58,720 --> 00:37:03,600 10%, earthquake by 10%. So just the AOE got it got 599 00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:11,200 shifted and that is well, I mean like that is their AOE package 600 00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:13,680 right now chain lightning until you can spend on the the 601 00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:17,240 earthquake. So there in AOE 10 percent, 10% 602 00:37:17,240 --> 00:37:21,560 buff pretty much all around. And that's kind of where you 603 00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:26,240 want to be. You want to be just with at the 604 00:37:26,240 --> 00:37:30,920 higher end of the pack, but just at the higher end so you don't 605 00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:34,240 get nerfed and let while the other the kings fall. 606 00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:41,120 That's when you seize the crown anyways that again, there are 607 00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:47,000 more bounce changes coming. So do not lock in exactly and 608 00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:51,400 really just play what you want because I am finding that if 609 00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:54,840 you're enjoying it right, you're going to have way more fun. 610 00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:58,880 Maybe do like Lex and turn off those meters. 611 00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:02,080 You can have them actually I'm not sure. 612 00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:06,760 Back when we had details and the add-ons, you could hide them 613 00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:09,520 while you were in combat so you don't like, you're not looking 614 00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:15,680 at those numbers instead of like actually DPS ING and in the 615 00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:19,120 middle of combat. Oh, yeah, I mean, like, also 616 00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:21,880 people get different joy, right? There are, there's a group of 617 00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:25,800 our raid team that has so much fun fighting each other for the 618 00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:27,720 top of the meter. I've made it very clear. 619 00:38:27,720 --> 00:38:30,080 I do not want to hear my name in that conversation. 620 00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:32,520 I do not want to know. Like that is that is not a thing 621 00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:35,040 that makes me happy, that makes me feel stressed and bad about 622 00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:37,440 myself. But like, yeah, I, I totally, a 623 00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:40,120 lot of it's a competitive game and people enjoy the 624 00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:41,680 competition. So please don't take that as 625 00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:45,320 like, you cannot have your DPS meters on because like said, 626 00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:46,920 right, play however you want to play. 627 00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:49,360 It's for fun, just don't tell me where I am on the DPS. 628 00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:54,800 But I, I think that anybody who heard that advice is immediately 629 00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:56,760 going to know if it applies to them. 630 00:38:56,760 --> 00:39:00,400 You're going to be the person that like looks at that meter 631 00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:04,280 and it's like, oh, why, Why am I not doing well and that sort of 632 00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:05,680 stuff. And in the middle of a fight, 633 00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:11,720 you're not going to know. Maybe I will say that I got a 634 00:39:11,720 --> 00:39:15,280 lovely boot camp. I had just got my warlock up to 635 00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:21,280 90 and I got pulled into the Mythic World 0 tour. 636 00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:25,720 It was a great place to be because there was no way I was 637 00:39:25,720 --> 00:39:30,360 going to compete with these humpers with their like actually 638 00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:35,440 having geared out. And I was playing with another 639 00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:38,680 person who was playing affliction warlock who raised at 640 00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:45,360 a mythic level. And and so I got to see them 641 00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:48,720 tearing it up and me like way down there fighting with the 642 00:39:48,720 --> 00:39:50,880 tank being like, oh, my goodness, I hope I can like keep 643 00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:55,160 going. But I didn't feel stressed about 644 00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:57,200 that because I knew there was no way I could compete. 645 00:39:57,520 --> 00:40:03,120 And I was able to directly look at what she was doing and be 646 00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:06,160 like, oh, OK, so this is kind of what I should be doing as well 647 00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:08,640 and learn immediately. And then? 648 00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:12,760 By the end of the time we had done the the run, I was no 649 00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:15,160 longer competing with the tank. I was healthfully ahead of the 650 00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:16,920 tank. I was nowhere near the other 651 00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:21,760 guys, but I like, I learned how to to do it because I had that 652 00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:24,040 person going along and I could just look at the meters and be 653 00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:28,400 like, OK, so most of their damage is in this ability and 654 00:40:28,720 --> 00:40:32,080 they're lining up the these sort of things and like this is where 655 00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:34,360 they're getting their spikes. So sometimes that helps 656 00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:38,000 obviously, and being able to talk to somebody and get 657 00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:41,120 immediate feedback and say like, hey, make sure you're lining up 658 00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:44,640 your burn window in such a way really did it did help. 659 00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:47,840 And if you use meters in that way, that's good. 660 00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:52,040 If meters are stressing you out, turn them off, hide them away. 661 00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:58,840 You can look later. OK With that said there is yet 662 00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:06,840 more for season 1 because we had of course this big Delve 663 00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:11,840 controversy with the start of this week. 664 00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:19,040 The Nemesis boss for Delves had opened up and there was a little 665 00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:25,160 incentive for people, the 1st 4000 people to kill the Nemesis 666 00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:28,480 at the well, formerly question mark, question mark. 667 00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:31,480 Now tier 11. They've changed it from tier, 668 00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:34,600 tier question mark and tier question mark, question mark to 669 00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:38,040 tier 8 and tier 11, which is where it was all the time. 670 00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:42,840 It just doesn't have the like weird nomenclature. 671 00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:49,440 And so if you were one of the people to kill this one at the 672 00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:57,720 top level solo and you did it within the top four 4000 you 673 00:41:57,720 --> 00:42:06,520 would get a title fabled Slayer. And so people were trying at 674 00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:14,960 this within the first night before the we morning hours. 675 00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:19,120 This was complete and 4000 people had had earned their 676 00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:24,800 title. There is a video out there of a 677 00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:31,480 person who was working their butt off and then watched as the 678 00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:36,600 gate closed ahead of them when they had the boss down to 5%. 679 00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:40,880 And they did go on to kill it, but they didn't get the title 680 00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:44,000 because they were the 4000 in first or second. 681 00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:47,120 I'm not sure. But they they just missed the 682 00:42:47,240 --> 00:42:51,320 the clothes off. So congratulations to all you 683 00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:56,120 fabled slayers out there. But now there's a new fable, the 684 00:42:56,120 --> 00:43:03,200 fable of sour grapes, because there are many people who feel 685 00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:08,120 that this was too small a number for the fabled title. 686 00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:12,240 This is almost a Hall of Fame as you as it were. 687 00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:17,600 They felt that this happened too quickly and that the only people 688 00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:22,040 there, there was one person who was very, very loud and said 689 00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:25,560 that the only people who got this are the people who didn't 690 00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:29,160 have any other responsibilities like a raid team or a job. 691 00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:34,000 And so they were able to do this because anybody who was away on 692 00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:36,960 Tuesday, that happened to come on Wednesday, No, it's too late 693 00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:41,920 for you. Again, I don't want to talk too 694 00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:45,560 much about that one because that is a straw man argument That is 695 00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:47,400 like weakening what argument it was. 696 00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:53,520 But the position that people were wanting was instead of it 697 00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:57,760 being an exact number, what if it was a time period where it's 698 00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:00,520 like, hey, did you kill it within the first reset? 699 00:44:00,720 --> 00:44:03,400 Congratulations, you are a fabled Slayer. 700 00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:08,200 Lex, I think you had some comments about the straw man, 701 00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:11,240 but talk about the straw man and then talk about like do you feel 702 00:44:11,240 --> 00:44:15,320 would be better for it to be like a timed event where hey, 703 00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:17,320 can you get it done in in the first three set? 704 00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:19,440 Yeah, I mean, like to the straw man, I would say. 705 00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:24,760 Do you think that like liquid has jobs and like other jobs and 706 00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:27,520 other responsibilities? Like, yeah, man, that's how you 707 00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:32,400 get extremely like high level reward or like titles and and 708 00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:34,760 cool stuff in World of Warcraft as you know, like it. 709 00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:40,400 I don't have them. And anyway, I I, I am on record. 710 00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:49,200 I, I think that because delves are open world content, and I've 711 00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:52,440 said this a few times on this podcast, I think that people 712 00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:56,200 feel kind of entitled, right? Delves should be easy. 713 00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:58,600 They should be something that everyone can kind of get. 714 00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:00,360 It's no biggie. It's just easy open world 715 00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:02,320 content, right? It shouldn't be anyone's like 716 00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:04,960 first priority. Is it in the vibe that I tend to 717 00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:10,720 kind of get from the high level, you know, raid and mythic plus 718 00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:13,440 people that like, well, it's baby content, so I should get 719 00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:16,480 all the delve stuff because I'm better than the delve baby and 720 00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:17,840 I'm I'm being a little bad faith. 721 00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:19,680 I'm aware that I'm being a little bit bad faith. 722 00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:22,800 I. God's not here, so somebody's 723 00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:25,960 got to do it. Someone's got to do it. 724 00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:30,440 To be fair, I doubt that the Blizzard team meant for it to 725 00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:33,520 take like 12 hours, right? Or whatever. 726 00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:35,720 I think it was 14 hours for that to go through. 727 00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:40,640 So my guess is that it's going to be like next time they do 728 00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:42,680 this, they're going to do something more like a, you know, 729 00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:45,760 a reset cycle or they're going to increase the numbers. 730 00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:48,400 Although, OK, this is a stupid question. 731 00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:52,720 A mythic rating team that's 15 people, right? 732 00:45:52,720 --> 00:45:55,840 Or is there 20 in Max is out on? So. 733 00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:01,280 Oh, it's 20 of the team the. Team that does it is 20 players 734 00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:04,600 fixed right? That like, does the encounters. 735 00:46:06,240 --> 00:46:09,360 So many mythic grade teams include a bench of players that 736 00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:11,960 may not be active in a particular encounter but might 737 00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:15,920 swap in when needed. Right. 738 00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:20,640 And when they get the achievement of Race of World 739 00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:23,520 First, it's not just to the 20 people who got that last boss, 740 00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:26,680 it's to everybody in the Guild. Right. 741 00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:29,080 So that that is true, that's a fairpoint. 742 00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:32,440 I think you could probably guess the point that I was about to 743 00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:40,000 make, which is that the Hall of Fame is the 1st 200 guilds that 744 00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:43,080 get the kill. And so it actually kind of adds 745 00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:45,920 up to about the same, right? Because I mean it's more time 746 00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:48,920 because grades take longer. And again, I really do not think 747 00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:51,320 that the Blizzard team meant for this to take less day. 748 00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:55,480 My guess is that also startled them and they are going to try 749 00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:57,640 to make it easier for more people to get in. 750 00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:03,000 But if you're talking a twenty person team for 200, that's 751 00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:05,320 4000. That's the same number of people 752 00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:08,600 achieved the Hall of Fame. And again, I this nuance and 753 00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:11,120 it's complicated. I. 754 00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:13,240 That's a good point. I hadn't even thought of that. 755 00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:16,840 OK, Do nap. Do nap. 756 00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:23,680 Yeah. So, so I, I think I think that 757 00:47:23,720 --> 00:47:26,480 this would have probably been a better achievement to put on the 758 00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:29,920 like mega delve, right, to make it more of a race to world first 759 00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:32,160 sort of vibe. Oh, that labyrinth stuff that's 760 00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:34,960 coming. Yeah, exactly, I think and that 761 00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:38,720 would also potentially build actual hype and I again, I don't 762 00:47:38,720 --> 00:47:42,200 think that delves have the pull of like mythic writing, 763 00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:45,760 especially since they but I could imagine if that had more 764 00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:49,720 of a Hall of Fame sort of thing, I think people be less grumpy 765 00:47:49,720 --> 00:47:52,240 because it would take more time because I mean, yeah, you know, 766 00:47:52,240 --> 00:47:55,520 the whole like the person who was watching it and got 4000 and 767 00:47:55,640 --> 00:48:00,200 first not to dismantle to, you know, hand wave the fact that 768 00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:03,000 that was like really devastating for them and they did a really 769 00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:04,520 incredible job to get to that point. 770 00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:06,920 And that really sucks. But I mean, yeah, man, that's 771 00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:09,160 also what happens in world first rating. 772 00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:12,800 Like somebody always is like a percentage away before someone 773 00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:16,680 else pulls so. How many times we've seen like 774 00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:22,680 Echo or Liquid Watch as like the other team gets gets world first 775 00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:25,120 and they feel that kind of same kind of detection. 776 00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:28,520 Right, right. And look again, I'm never going 777 00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:32,120 to be competing for this. So I'm talking completely about 778 00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:35,360 a situation that I. Because you're PvP queen. 779 00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:37,920 Like eventually maybe you'll shy your hand at PV. 780 00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:42,760 Exactly, exactly 1 day. I'll I'll try out a delve, but I 781 00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:44,200 I think it's really cool. Cool. 782 00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:47,280 The delves are getting an opportunity to have really hard 783 00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:51,400 push like to, to, to for for people to feel like they are 784 00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:55,160 pushing and being like a top level delver that that's a thing 785 00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:57,600 you can get a cool title for. That's like really exciting. 786 00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:00,000 And if people see you walking around with that, they're going 787 00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:02,760 to be like, are you serious? You got to be in the 4000 that 788 00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:07,800 closed in 14 hours. And I and I think either delves 789 00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:11,640 need to be made like if if we want delving to be something 790 00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:15,600 that you can compete for and push for and work for, either we 791 00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:17,280 have to make them significantly harder, right? 792 00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:19,120 That's one way that we can make it take longer is if the nemesis 793 00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:22,520 delve I, I I don't want that. I don't think that, you know, I 794 00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:24,240 mean, actually that's not true. That's a huge lie. 795 00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:27,200 I just lied directly to all y'all's faces because I love to 796 00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:28,720 complain. The delves should be harder. 797 00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:30,720 So I take it back. I think that there should I, 798 00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:33,000 yeah, actually immediately revert that. 799 00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:35,360 We absolutely should. I, I'm fully on team making 800 00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:37,840 delves harder. But more so, I don't think that 801 00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:40,440 you guys do. I don't think that the the world 802 00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:42,520 as a whole wants delves to be harder. 803 00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:45,920 So the only other real way to make it to to to make things 804 00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:48,600 like that genuinely challenging and genuinely impressive is to 805 00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:51,200 make them really fast, right? You have to push through it. 806 00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:53,760 You have to. Absolutely hustle your butt and 807 00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:56,520 you have to work really hard in advance and you have to go, go, 808 00:49:56,520 --> 00:49:59,440 go, go, go and make that your entire life and then you get 809 00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:01,400 your nemesis kill in the 1st 4000. 810 00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:06,920 I think that by making them harder, at least the Nemesis 811 00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:10,480 boss harder, you would achieve the same thing. 812 00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:13,040 It would take longer for people to get through it all. 813 00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:21,080 And so like, but I think that I like kind of how you structured 814 00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:30,680 this giving Dells this entire prestige is, is legitimizing it 815 00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:34,880 more like for way the way you started, like everybody is being 816 00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:39,400 like, oh, Dells are easy and they're not real content and and 817 00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:42,800 that sort of thing. And this prestige and having 818 00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:47,360 4000 people in all of North America and 4000 people in all 819 00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:52,960 of Europe have, well, I guess all of the Americas in Oceanic. 820 00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:55,640 I apologize. I don't want to exclude people 821 00:50:55,640 --> 00:51:01,600 who were part of this and did many people in those regions did 822 00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:07,600 try for this and few of them did earn this like stand tall, stand 823 00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:10,280 proud. You put in the effort and you 824 00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:13,080 prioritize this and you got it done. 825 00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:17,520 And that is something where I've only beat it on like the 826 00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:20,760 question mark or sorry, rather the tier 81, because I just 827 00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:24,960 wanted to get that done for my other priorities, which is 828 00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:27,080 rating, which is mythic plus, right? 829 00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:31,920 And I love that there are people who made Dells a priority. 830 00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:36,200 That will make Dells a priority, even if it remains exactly as it 831 00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:38,200 was this time. They'll be like, oh, wow, last 832 00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:40,800 time it went at 14 hours. I've got to make sure that I'm 833 00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:44,360 locked in for this. And that's treating Dells 834 00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:48,640 differently than they have traditionally been through the 835 00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:50,200 war within. So good. 836 00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:52,480 Good on that. I love, I love you know what, 837 00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:55,520 Lex, no notes. Maybe, maybe all of that was 838 00:51:55,520 --> 00:51:57,240 notes, but from here on, no notes. 839 00:51:57,800 --> 00:52:00,400 Perfect, Lex. Delves are also, by the way, 840 00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:03,320 really OK. Caveat, I have to say anything 841 00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:04,680 time I say anything about Delves. 842 00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:08,320 I play a Havoc Demon Hunter and Havoc is particularly strong and 843 00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:10,680 solo content, so your mileage may vary. 844 00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:14,080 However, I I'm having such a good time with delves this 845 00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:16,080 season. This is like so strong. 846 00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:18,920 I'm finding the pacing to be on point. 847 00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:22,360 I am very happy I don't hear Brand's voice again. 848 00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:25,560 I am really really digging this season of Delve. 849 00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:29,760 I'm feeling like I am excited to log on and do delves. 850 00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:33,400 Also, they threw keys at us like candy. 851 00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:35,680 They were like, oh, I was so stressed about the fact that 852 00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:37,360 before I was going to be able to do my delves, I was going to 853 00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:38,880 have to go like grind out some keys. 854 00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:40,960 And they were like, oh, you're worried about keys? 855 00:52:41,160 --> 00:52:43,600 Here's a couple. Here's 75 shards. 856 00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:45,760 Here's like every single thing is given to give you. 857 00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:49,640 I think I have like at least 200 more shards at this point. 858 00:52:49,640 --> 00:52:52,560 I think it might be 300. Anyway, +2 full keys. 859 00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:55,800 Anyway, I'm flying high. It is a great time to be a Dell. 860 00:52:56,560 --> 00:53:00,600 Yeah, I like when I did the entire like tour the relicre and 861 00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:02,480 stuff, I got like 6 keys out of that. 862 00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:05,160 I was like, that's amazing. Went and did a delve and got 863 00:53:05,160 --> 00:53:07,960 another 2 keys and then like some shards I'm like, oh, I 864 00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:09,400 guess I could get more, more keys. 865 00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:14,040 And like Dells are relevant to me right now in terms of gear 866 00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:15,480 level. I actually think that they're 867 00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:21,320 going to stay relevant for me maybe through a lot of the 868 00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:25,640 season. Like right now I'm like, my 869 00:53:25,640 --> 00:53:29,880 entire thing is balance right now guys, I am staring down the 870 00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:34,720 barrel of running 2 characters at the level that I ran a single 871 00:53:34,720 --> 00:53:39,080 character. My raid lead said like, listen, 872 00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:41,680 you don't need to get do it at this level. 873 00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:46,360 But like my response was, I'm really glad that you do not 874 00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:48,520 mandate this. I know a lot of people on the 875 00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:53,600 team do not, do not want to do this, but like this is how I 876 00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:57,080 play. I can't run this thing at like 877 00:53:58,680 --> 00:54:01,960 lower than this level and feel good about about bringing this 878 00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:05,440 character to a raid. And that level is different for 879 00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:09,720 me than it is for Sean and the level that he plays at. 880 00:54:09,720 --> 00:54:16,520 That's different than the level that like Max or people on echo 881 00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:19,400 or people on method play. That's different than Dratnos 882 00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:22,400 and the like the the crazy stuff that he like makes the 883 00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:25,280 spreadsheets for. That's different than like my 884 00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:28,280 mage friend who I cherish so much. 885 00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:33,000 But it is like my anchor to like whenever I go like, oh, I'm 886 00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:36,600 being like super casual. This, this is my friend who does 887 00:54:36,600 --> 00:54:44,840 not read much on Wowhead that is playing for like Lex. 888 00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:47,240 As much as you want to be like you're the Super casual and 889 00:54:47,240 --> 00:54:50,400 stuff you will never compete casual casualness. 890 00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:53,080 I've got my anchor. She is wonderful. 891 00:54:53,080 --> 00:55:00,840 She's been my friend for decades at this point, not, not quite 2 892 00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:02,600 decades, but we're reaching there. 893 00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:10,080 And it, it, the perspective is that people will play at the 894 00:55:10,080 --> 00:55:14,440 level that they that they enjoy, or maybe they will stress 895 00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:17,480 themselves out. And I will always play at the 896 00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:22,880 level that I enjoy. And if I, if I, if I feel like I 897 00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:27,080 can't balance the two characters at the level I enjoy, I will 898 00:55:27,080 --> 00:55:29,600 drop one period. But that's all that is to say 899 00:55:29,600 --> 00:55:33,640 that now I'm playing delves on two different, very different 900 00:55:33,760 --> 00:55:41,160 perspectives of a range DPS and a melee DPS and really enjoying 901 00:55:41,160 --> 00:55:44,520 it both in both perspectives and seeing what they can do. 902 00:55:44,720 --> 00:55:47,840 It's, it is definitely a shift of like how I even approach 903 00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:49,840 them. And I love that that is that 904 00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:52,200 shift. So I'm going to say delves do 905 00:55:52,200 --> 00:55:57,920 have like obviously different, different challenges for 906 00:55:57,920 --> 00:56:00,720 different specs, but also different ways you can approach 907 00:56:00,720 --> 00:56:03,160 that. I I so like, yeah, Dells, I'm 908 00:56:03,160 --> 00:56:06,200 glad that they're here to stay. They're a good addition. 909 00:56:06,200 --> 00:56:09,960 I'm, I'm obviously I again, I, I, I, this is such a good 910 00:56:09,960 --> 00:56:13,560 expansion for solo player, which I know there's going to be some 911 00:56:13,560 --> 00:56:17,360 people who are going to put validly be like the, the fact 912 00:56:17,360 --> 00:56:21,320 that an MMO is pushing for more solo play is nothing to keep an 913 00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:22,680 eye on. But I mean, I don't know, we're 914 00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:25,400 adults and we have busy lives and it's complicated and the 915 00:56:25,400 --> 00:56:28,520 World of Warcraft community is beautiful in a lot of ways and 916 00:56:28,520 --> 00:56:31,600 complicated in a lot of others. And I think clearly the 917 00:56:31,600 --> 00:56:34,840 community was hurting for some like was hungry for solo content 918 00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:37,440 and we got it. And I'm having such a good time 919 00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:38,520 and I get to go do my little pray. 920 00:56:38,520 --> 00:56:42,240 I get to go do my little deal. It's A and I, I love that you're 921 00:56:42,240 --> 00:56:47,200 like so into like the content that you're at solo play and 922 00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:49,400 stuff. And then also, I don't think 923 00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:52,040 you've touched housing. Remind me, I don't think you've 924 00:56:52,040 --> 00:56:54,080 so really touched housing that much, right? 925 00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:56,920 So housing I had a little shift actually after our our 926 00:56:56,920 --> 00:57:01,760 conversation off off podcast about like making housing your 927 00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:03,960 own and like doing whatever makes you really excited. 928 00:57:04,720 --> 00:57:08,560 So I was thinking about it and I was like, I have an actual house 929 00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:11,760 that I hate decorating. Like I, this is my least 930 00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:13,280 favorite part of anything I've been talking about. 931 00:57:13,280 --> 00:57:15,920 Like I I'll be like, oh, you know, be cool to do is XYZ 932 00:57:15,920 --> 00:57:19,240 thing, but I never do it right. It took me 3 months of having 933 00:57:19,240 --> 00:57:21,280 the right paint for my bathroom to get around to painting my 934 00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:22,960 bathroom. Like I still need to paint my 935 00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:26,240 bedroom and the wall behind me. I'm, you know, I'm, I took me 936 00:57:26,960 --> 00:57:29,000 half a year to put art on the walls, right? 937 00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:32,840 Decorating is not a thing that is, is particularly exciting to 938 00:57:32,840 --> 00:57:36,040 me. So I readjusted the way I was 939 00:57:36,040 --> 00:57:39,440 thinking about housing and now I'm like, it doesn't have to 940 00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:42,280 look nice. I have my living room and the 941 00:57:42,280 --> 00:57:45,240 point of the living room is that it's like a Demon Hunter 942 00:57:45,240 --> 00:57:47,000 paradise, right? There's things to bounce off of 943 00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:49,480 and backflip off of every every single corner. 944 00:57:49,480 --> 00:57:52,120 There's like little pillows with books and coffee. 945 00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:54,920 The the coffee by my bed is my favorite thing personal. 946 00:57:55,520 --> 00:57:58,920 Then I have my vice kitchen, which I'm current that these are 947 00:57:58,920 --> 00:58:02,920 all works in progress. The vice kitchen has my a ton of 948 00:58:02,920 --> 00:58:05,680 coffee, a ton of like wine and alcohol stuff. 949 00:58:05,680 --> 00:58:08,400 I got the hookah, of course, that's getting built out. 950 00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:11,160 And then there's my favorite, which is the fire room. 951 00:58:11,320 --> 00:58:14,080 And it's a room where I am taking every single thing that 952 00:58:14,080 --> 00:58:17,080 is flaming that I can possibly get my hands on and I'm making 953 00:58:17,080 --> 00:58:19,640 it so that the room is just like, you know, top to bottom 954 00:58:19,640 --> 00:58:22,080 flames. I love the fire room. 955 00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:26,160 That is awesome. And so like, I guess with all 956 00:58:26,160 --> 00:58:28,800 the stuff that you're getting as you've been leveling and doing 957 00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:31,400 quests, you've just been like throwing things in as a work in 958 00:58:31,400 --> 00:58:33,520 progress. Yeah, I do. 959 00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:37,920 I actually am thinking the fire room might also become my prey, 960 00:58:38,480 --> 00:58:41,800 treasure or. Gallery. 961 00:58:42,840 --> 00:58:45,880 Notice that every time you do a prey, you get a little bust and 962 00:58:45,880 --> 00:58:48,760 they get like fancier the higher, you know, whether you do 963 00:58:48,760 --> 00:58:51,960 it on a nightmare or normal. And it's kind of flamy in its 964 00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:53,400 own way. So I'm like, that's kind of fun, 965 00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:55,040 right? It kind of matched the fire. 966 00:58:56,360 --> 00:58:59,800 Oh man, OK, after this, after we're done this recording, I do 967 00:58:59,800 --> 00:59:01,440 want to check out this this room. 968 00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:06,040 I have done nothing with my house since the expansion began 969 00:59:06,040 --> 00:59:12,680 just because I've been so and on the expansion and doing doing 970 00:59:12,680 --> 00:59:14,800 stuff at end game to get ready for that. 971 00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:19,720 But I got to ask you, how is prep being for raid? 972 00:59:19,720 --> 00:59:21,640 Are you ready? Do you feel ready for raid? 973 00:59:21,640 --> 00:59:25,240 I know your team does some fights blind. 974 00:59:25,240 --> 00:59:28,560 Have you chosen to go blind for the entire raid or just 975 00:59:28,560 --> 00:59:31,200 particular fights? How are things with Timbermoore 976 00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:33,200 Tavern? So we are going to do another 977 00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:36,000 soft blind normal is what we call it, where basically we're 978 00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:38,840 not going to like ban you from like watching Race to the World 979 00:59:38,840 --> 00:59:40,520 first. But we are asking the people 980 00:59:40,520 --> 00:59:42,520 don't. We're not going to like have 981 00:59:42,520 --> 00:59:47,000 people watch videos and stuff and then prep for things we 982 00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:49,520 don't know because we now don't have add-ons. 983 00:59:49,840 --> 00:59:51,680 We don't know how it's going to right. 984 00:59:51,680 --> 00:59:54,240 It's possible that with significantly less information 985 00:59:54,240 --> 00:59:57,800 from like a week or not week or some DBM and things like that, 986 00:59:57,800 --> 00:59:59,680 we are going to start to feel like this actually kind of sucks 987 00:59:59,720 --> 01:00:01,040 and we're actually not really having fun. 988 01:00:01,040 --> 01:00:03,680 And then we'll go back to what we were doing in the past was 989 01:00:03,680 --> 01:00:06,360 always just. Right before a boss poll, we 990 01:00:06,360 --> 01:00:07,960 would send a video. We'd be like, we're going to go, 991 01:00:07,960 --> 01:00:09,920 everyone, we're going to take a 5 minute break. 992 01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:11,800 Everyone you go with, watch together. 993 01:00:11,800 --> 01:00:13,880 And then we'll come back and we'll all know the same strategy 994 01:00:13,880 --> 01:00:16,800 and we know everyone did it. So I mean, worst case we go back 995 01:00:16,800 --> 01:00:19,800 to that. But our plan right now is to go 996 01:00:19,800 --> 01:00:24,440 through normal without doing any official studying and especially 997 01:00:24,440 --> 01:00:27,280 with the officers not really studying what we're going to do. 998 01:00:27,280 --> 01:00:29,720 So we can kind of go in and be like, oh, what's working, what's 999 01:00:29,720 --> 01:00:33,760 not, what seems to be going on. I, I'm really excited. 1000 01:00:33,760 --> 01:00:35,960 We did also set our gear level pretty low. 1001 01:00:35,960 --> 01:00:39,520 So we set up like you had to be at least 2:20 to get into normal 1002 01:00:39,520 --> 01:00:42,360 raid with us, which I mean, I'm almost 2:30. 1003 01:00:42,360 --> 01:00:45,360 I'm almost certainly going to, I guess raids tomorrow. 1004 01:00:45,360 --> 01:00:47,000 So we'll see. Depending on whether or not I do 1005 01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:51,760 some delves tonight, I may or may not at 2:30, but I, I am 1006 01:00:51,760 --> 01:00:54,400 very excited to get back into trading rating is the thing that 1007 01:00:54,400 --> 01:00:58,000 brings the most boy to me. So that is that is very exciting 1008 01:00:58,000 --> 01:00:59,800 to have that actually coming back up tomorrow. 1009 01:01:01,360 --> 01:01:04,240 Then we will check in with you again next week and see how 1010 01:01:04,400 --> 01:01:11,160 that's gone. I've had one team go as a it was 1011 01:01:11,160 --> 01:01:13,440 very strange. It was a community night because 1012 01:01:15,160 --> 01:01:19,360 they were doing like the general community and the prog nights 1013 01:01:19,360 --> 01:01:22,880 are actually Thursday, Mondays now, which kind of lines up with 1014 01:01:22,960 --> 01:01:27,560 your team. So that's when we're supposed to 1015 01:01:27,560 --> 01:01:33,480 really go in. But like, I was like, oh, let me 1016 01:01:33,480 --> 01:01:36,800 just get as much gear as I can and every and everything. 1017 01:01:36,800 --> 01:01:39,440 And then I looked at the time. I was like, oh, community night, 1018 01:01:39,440 --> 01:01:43,560 I guess I'll go for that. And that's when I like ran, ran 1019 01:01:44,040 --> 01:01:45,920 through that. So I I've had like a little bit 1020 01:01:45,920 --> 01:01:52,400 of of practice with like the raid enjoying it so far. 1021 01:01:52,400 --> 01:01:57,440 Dragon seem to be the step up challenge for many teams, but 1022 01:01:57,600 --> 01:02:02,400 we've seen a lot of teams clear 7 out of eight. 1023 01:02:02,600 --> 01:02:05,480 Then the last boss which again will avoid spoilers. 1024 01:02:05,480 --> 01:02:09,040 The last boss being another bit of a wall for some teams. 1025 01:02:09,440 --> 01:02:13,120 I despite the fact that the dream rift is supposed to be a 1026 01:02:13,320 --> 01:02:18,160 middle of the pack in terms of difficulty, I would suggest to 1027 01:02:18,160 --> 01:02:21,920 anybody just go do the dream rift if you're doing it on 1028 01:02:22,040 --> 01:02:26,040 normal. Like it seems to be incredibly 1029 01:02:27,720 --> 01:02:32,320 easier to understand than even getting to three. 1030 01:02:32,600 --> 01:02:36,800 The third boss, the twin Dragons in sorry, that's the fourth 1031 01:02:36,800 --> 01:02:40,680 boss, The fourth boss twin Dragons in in this raid, which 1032 01:02:40,680 --> 01:02:41,880 is actually, yeah, the mid level. 1033 01:02:42,160 --> 01:02:44,920 It's a it's a, it's far more easier to understand. 1034 01:02:44,920 --> 01:02:47,320 And so therefore your execution and getting through that fight 1035 01:02:47,320 --> 01:02:49,440 is good. You'll be handing out tear to 1036 01:02:49,440 --> 01:02:53,800 people because it does have tear there and it's a great little 1037 01:02:53,800 --> 01:02:56,720 quick like oh, we got it done. Now we can go and work our way 1038 01:02:56,720 --> 01:03:01,320 through the other bosses. So that's my suggested pattern 1039 01:03:01,320 --> 01:03:07,520 for people on normal mode. I have not dived into heroic yet 1040 01:03:07,880 --> 01:03:12,560 and I have done the first two wings on LFR, which if you are 1041 01:03:12,560 --> 01:03:18,040 min maxing, yeah the LFR is on the table folks. 1042 01:03:18,640 --> 01:03:23,800 But that will be a discussion for another episode. 1043 01:03:24,840 --> 01:03:27,960 For now, though, may all your hits be crits.