1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:04,280 And I mean, Miss Sugar I think is not not stranger to these 2 00:00:04,280 --> 00:00:06,480 things happening where things start off really bad. 3 00:00:06,800 --> 00:00:12,200 Victory for the Forsaken for Lauderon, for the Kieran Tour, 4 00:00:13,280 --> 00:00:23,280 for Pandaria for Calendar to the Burning Region for Gilneus or 5 00:00:23,640 --> 00:00:28,600 Has not Died for the Lynch King for the. 6 00:00:28,680 --> 00:00:31,400 Sindori for the Alliance for the. 7 00:00:32,439 --> 00:00:38,440 Horn for Azeroth. Hello and welcome to another 8 00:00:38,440 --> 00:00:42,320 episode of For Azeroth. I am one of your hosts, Benny, 9 00:00:42,480 --> 00:00:46,680 and I am joined by a very special guest, the Master of the 10 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:49,360 Mist, the Weaver of all things healing. 11 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:51,600 We have Swirl, Swirl. How are you? 12 00:00:52,720 --> 00:00:54,120 Hello, I'm doing well. How are you? 13 00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:56,560 I'm doing OK. I'm doing OK. 14 00:00:57,080 --> 00:01:01,400 For those of us that may not be familiar with your gifts, can 15 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:02,880 you tell us a little bit about yourself? 16 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:06,960 Yeah, sure. I am a Miss Weaver. 17 00:01:06,960 --> 00:01:08,560 I'm a healer through and through. 18 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:13,040 I've been playing this game for so much of my life. 19 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:16,480 I started when I was a little kid just playing around with 20 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:19,720 Cataclysm. I was a tank at first really 21 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:23,040 funnily enough, but then picked up rest of Druid. 22 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:27,000 Mop came around. Miss Uber was the most fun spec 23 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:29,080 to play. So I started playing it back 24 00:01:29,080 --> 00:01:32,440 then and on and off throughout the years. 25 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:36,240 You know as I got into college and had real life person person 26 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:39,520 things to do. Had to do that but just came 27 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:43,840 back to it kind of when had some more time and have been playing 28 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:46,240 ever since. It's been been a really fun 29 00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:48,320 journey with the spec to say the least. 30 00:01:49,800 --> 00:01:53,360 Well, I'm glad that you have had a fun journey with the spec and 31 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:56,760 the spec itself has had a bit of a journey. 32 00:01:57,280 --> 00:02:02,440 I've played it on well, I've had it as an alt on and off 33 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:06,280 throughout its time. I jumped in in Mr. Pandaria when 34 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:09,680 it was the new hotness. I don't want to say the new 35 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:13,680 hotness because even in its debut there were some wrinkles 36 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:17,400 and then Blizzard decided that they weren't going to do fist 37 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:19,400 weaving. And now fist weaving is like the 38 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:25,000 new hotness. So Miss Weaver itself is is had 39 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:30,840 its own journey in terms of the war within. 40 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:37,120 How has Miss Weaver fared fared with these new hero talents and 41 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:40,560 throughout this expansion in the three tiers that we've had? 42 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:45,000 Yeah, I think All in all, I think hero talents for mystery 43 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:49,760 were pretty successful. I mean, I I don't know if this 44 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:53,080 was Blizzard's way to do it, but mystery were definitely had a 45 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:56,800 pretty clear split between its its hero talents, kind of one 46 00:02:56,800 --> 00:02:59,440 for raid, one for M plus. You know, we had condo the 47 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:03,440 celestials for raid pretty much exclusively and then almost 48 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:07,520 exclusively master of Harmony for M plus, just kind of due to 49 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:09,960 the things that it did. Conduit of the celestials is 50 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:12,280 super good and at being very scalable. 51 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:15,800 I'll say, you know, we gained Cdr through heart of the jade 52 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:17,880 serpent just while having all of that. 53 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:21,200 And it works really well because renewing mist is something that 54 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:24,000 we heal through in raid and we just kind of have it going at 55 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:25,440 all times. So for us to be able to 56 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:27,320 capitalize off of that has been really good. 57 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:31,880 Doesn't work that great in M Plus just due to the way that 58 00:03:31,880 --> 00:03:34,360 Miss Fever had fared with HE lamps. 59 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:37,400 If anybody's ever played Miss Fever, they know that he lamps 60 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:41,560 are super duper relevant just across the entire spec, which is 61 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:43,680 actually being removed in midnight that I'm very excited 62 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:46,560 about. But those HE lamps worked really 63 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:49,800 well for M Plus, which was kind of the basis of the tree of 64 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:53,600 Master of Harmony. Allow us to do a boatload of 65 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:56,560 damage and then also just supplement that with really, 66 00:03:56,560 --> 00:03:59,720 really strong healing and kind of play around with both damage 67 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:03,760 and healing as a resource through this kind of pseudo 68 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:06,920 resource called vitality that just builds and spends as we're 69 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:12,200 playing the game essentially. So yeah, I mean, All in all, I 70 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:14,680 think it was pretty good. It's definitely here to stay. 71 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:17,920 I mean, our tier sets have been pretty good through this past 72 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:20,640 season as well that they got implemented, implemented onto 73 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:24,600 it. So yeah, I think pretty good for 74 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:28,240 hero talents. I mean, you mentioned this last 75 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:32,920 tier and the tier set, which seems to be such a hit, so much 76 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:37,400 so that as far as I'm aware it got put into the hero talents 77 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:38,840 for Midnight. Is that the case? 78 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:43,640 Yeah, it got a little bit of a rework with the Heart of the 79 00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:47,480 Jade Serpent stuff with the Cdr that had additional benefits on 80 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:49,240 it of Thunderfocus Tea procking it. 81 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:51,240 So just something that we do like every 30 seconds. 82 00:04:51,240 --> 00:04:55,680 Anyways, that was changed away from, you know, one source where 83 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:59,120 we would cast Shalin's Gift and it changes via the stack count 84 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:02,880 that we have this spell away from, you know, that kind of 85 00:05:02,960 --> 00:05:06,120 buff tracking mentality that that midnight is trying to get 86 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:09,480 away from just to get it to Thunder focus T we gain a bunch 87 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:12,360 of haste with it. That's always like multiplied by 88 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:14,200 our haste bonuses that we currently have. 89 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:19,480 And yeah, I mean, those are really good for the master of 90 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:22,240 harmony tier set. It is definitely in a lowered 91 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:24,720 state than it was on live on live is it? 92 00:05:24,840 --> 00:05:28,600 It was a bit oppressive with the way that it worked, just the way 93 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:32,280 that you gained so many stacks of this buff called harmonic 94 00:05:32,280 --> 00:05:35,120 surge and you really couldn't use them that much. 95 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:38,440 It didn't do enough healing to cover a lot of damage events, 96 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:41,320 but when you stacked every single multiplier that you had, 97 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:44,920 it does just enough for you. And it worked really well. 98 00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:48,120 I mean for for people doing lower keys, it was just kind of 99 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:50,880 a spam tiger palm situation, which isn't super fun. 100 00:05:52,080 --> 00:05:56,040 I I did not love that play style, but just in a reduced 101 00:05:56,040 --> 00:05:59,720 state kind of added to our our new tree. 102 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:03,480 OK, well, I mean you've mentioned a number of things 103 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:07,640 that I think have been the target for pruning in midnight. 104 00:06:07,840 --> 00:06:12,120 So let's talk about that that and the pruning that well, I say 105 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:13,680 pruning. I just said in the pre show that 106 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:15,640 I don't like that term and here I am using it. 107 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:19,560 But the streamlining. So things like those, those 108 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:25,080 healing ramps, things like the stacking of of buffs to get 109 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:28,720 something effective. How has Miss Weaver interfered 110 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:33,880 in terms of the reworks and the massive shifts that people will 111 00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:39,000 start to see this coming week? Yeah, I mean, it's definitely a 112 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:41,760 lot. Masura has received quite a bit 113 00:06:41,760 --> 00:06:45,960 of changes going into midnight. There's there's a lot of really 114 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:47,840 relevant ones. I mean, like I mentioned that HE 115 00:06:47,840 --> 00:06:51,920 lamps have been removed. We had, oh God, we had so many 116 00:06:51,920 --> 00:06:53,520 sources of HE lamps attached to it. 117 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:58,120 We had enveloping mist, we had a 20% that could be buffed to 40% 118 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:03,320 or sorry, 30 to 40%. We had Qi Harmony that was a 25 119 00:07:03,320 --> 00:07:07,480 that was nerfed down from 50%. Lotus and Fusion brought 12%. 120 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:13,040 We had menning proliferation which just replicated your 121 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:17,560 enveloping mist HE lamps. So that basically 40% on to 122 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:20,160 anybody. The Master of Harmony tree had a 123 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:23,960 20% heel amp attached to it. I'm probably missing a couple 124 00:07:23,960 --> 00:07:25,720 others, but I mean, there was a lot. 125 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:28,880 Yeah, exactly. I'm like looking at my fingers 126 00:07:28,880 --> 00:07:32,160 trying to count them all. But yeah, I mean, all of those 127 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:34,080 are kind of gone, which is a really good change. 128 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:38,000 I mean, one thing that was a really major point of concern 129 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:40,280 was, you know, trying to teach people the spec and telling 130 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:41,960 them, you know, how the spec plays. 131 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:45,640 And it's like, OK, I have to apply all these heal amps in 132 00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:48,080 order to do good healing. When do I have the time to do 133 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:49,800 this? What does my ramp look like? 134 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:52,720 And as a melee healer, those things are kind of difficult of 135 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:55,640 this balance between casting and, and pressing melee 136 00:07:55,640 --> 00:07:58,400 abilities, which is a really common misconception that people 137 00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:00,920 have with Miss Weaver, that it's like 1 or the other. 138 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:06,040 But it's not like we, we try and take fist weaving as a term away 139 00:08:06,040 --> 00:08:09,960 now because it's not that right. Super reductive of, of a play 140 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:12,840 style that once was 10 years ago. 141 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:15,320 And it's just not really what happens anymore. 142 00:08:15,320 --> 00:08:16,680 And it's just Miss Weaver, right? 143 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:18,760 It's it's no longer one way or the other. 144 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:23,040 But that like casting time, you know, it's, it's definitely a 145 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:26,320 bit hard. And melee is seen as like this 146 00:08:26,320 --> 00:08:28,760 quick movement action. There's a bunch of things 147 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:32,120 happening in melee that you can move around frontal swirlies 148 00:08:32,400 --> 00:08:34,919 like those things. And range doesn't really have 149 00:08:34,919 --> 00:08:38,840 those types of things going on back there where you have to 150 00:08:38,840 --> 00:08:41,720 move out constantly. So, you know, timing those 151 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:44,760 spells is really important. And thankfully those things are 152 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:47,280 kind of gone now, which I'm super excited about. 153 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:50,600 I think that it's still gonna be relevant in like let's say the 154 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:54,280 Super highest of keys because you really need that very strong 155 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:58,760 output at some case. But a lot of it has been been 156 00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:02,960 super reduced. And I mean, just in terms of 157 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:04,840 things that are going on, there's, there's so many 158 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:07,640 multipliers, which is kind of a heel lamp in and of itself. 159 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:11,080 That has also been reduced. We had one called Invoker's 160 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:15,320 Delight that just gave us 20% haste whenever we called our or 161 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:19,200 invoked our Celestial. So more so a raid thing because 162 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:22,480 of the talents and kind of how we could have gotten talents 163 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:25,080 that way, but that's being removed. 164 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:28,400 Shaho's lessons, which I personally love, I wish was not 165 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:30,120 being removed. But it's kind of like the 166 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:35,280 cyclical buffing of just gaining a buff that does something for a 167 00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:38,440 certain amount of time. And it's really fun. 168 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:40,440 I think it was really fun to play around choosing the right 169 00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:41,880 one. You know, you either got haste 170 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:45,680 or crit or you doubled the amount of healing that you did 171 00:09:45,680 --> 00:09:48,320 to somebody at a lower HP percentage. 172 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:52,560 But that kind of stacking of buffs is now gone. 173 00:09:52,560 --> 00:09:55,480 So the gameplay is definitely a bit more streamlined. 174 00:09:55,920 --> 00:09:58,800 I don't know if it was a good cost to it because our spells 175 00:09:58,800 --> 00:10:02,080 are not really doing what they need to be doing at the moment. 176 00:10:02,680 --> 00:10:07,520 A little worried for For Midnight, Miss Weaver, but yeah, 177 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:09,680 All in all, I think the changes have been fairly good. 178 00:10:09,680 --> 00:10:13,680 Some better than others, but mostly pretty good. 179 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:16,880 I mean, we, we got to go into that. 180 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:22,040 So with the new reality of damage in midnight, we're 181 00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:23,880 dealing with like less burst damage. 182 00:10:23,880 --> 00:10:30,160 The damage of rot has been picked up, and so is that 183 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:35,880 challenging for Miss Weaver? Is that more in the current or 184 00:10:35,880 --> 00:10:39,760 rather the upcoming midnight changes wheelhouse where you 185 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:41,800 know you're going to get the renewing miss, you're going to 186 00:10:41,800 --> 00:10:46,080 be able to like keep people healthier through rot damage, or 187 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:49,360 how bad is it that the healing's falling behind in your eyes? 188 00:10:50,640 --> 00:10:54,520 Yeah, I think, I mean, I'll be honest that like reduction of 189 00:10:54,520 --> 00:10:58,840 burst healing, I haven't really seen all too much like I'm I I 190 00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:02,160 haven't really done super many keys, but at the moment, but 191 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:05,240 just the ones that I've played, I mean, there's still so much 192 00:11:05,240 --> 00:11:09,880 burst and dungeons that it does not feel great to heal at times 193 00:11:09,880 --> 00:11:13,080 without the tools available that give me that burst healing. 194 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:20,120 I think that in raid also, like I, I have done the testing and 195 00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:23,760 I, I don't see a difference. Maybe it's just because I'm, you 196 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:26,320 know, learning the encounter and I'm not really paying attention 197 00:11:26,320 --> 00:11:29,520 to the damage patterns there, but I don't really see a major 198 00:11:29,520 --> 00:11:30,920 difference in the way that healing is. 199 00:11:30,920 --> 00:11:32,720 You know, you press your cooldown, you heal during your 200 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:35,240 cooldowns and things are normally fine. 201 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:38,760 Maybe a little bit of that kind of ticking damage and rot 202 00:11:38,760 --> 00:11:40,560 damage. I I don't really foresee it 203 00:11:40,560 --> 00:11:42,520 being a super big issue for miss Weaver. 204 00:11:42,760 --> 00:11:46,400 I think we are definitely one of the better healers for rot, kind 205 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:49,080 of maybe not as good as resto druid. 206 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:52,480 They are like the king of rot healing, as you can see with 207 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:56,160 like Mdis where, you know, we have this really big rot boss 208 00:11:56,160 --> 00:11:59,720 from, I forget her name, but from halls of infusion, that ice 209 00:11:59,720 --> 00:12:02,680 boss or candle king that we just recently had. 210 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:07,400 I mean, Dark flame Cleft and I mean resto druid is insane at 211 00:12:07,400 --> 00:12:10,040 those. And mystery falls behind a 212 00:12:10,040 --> 00:12:13,800 little bit on it simply for the fact that we are melee. 213 00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:18,560 Sometimes, you know, we lose melee up time and we lose a lot 214 00:12:18,560 --> 00:12:21,640 of healing because of that. I don't really see that being 215 00:12:21,720 --> 00:12:25,120 too, too big of an issue, but we've gotten some supporting 216 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:27,160 talents with renewing Myths, which is pretty cool. 217 00:12:28,640 --> 00:12:32,840 We got one recently, which is a bit silly of a talent, but it's 218 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:37,160 a a the renewing Mist that's on your lowest health party member 219 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:42,520 heals for an extra 500% on them. A bunch of talents that increase 220 00:12:42,520 --> 00:12:47,280 the healing of renewing mist. So hot wise, yeah, I definitely 221 00:12:47,280 --> 00:12:50,560 think that, you know, those things are pretty good with the 222 00:12:50,560 --> 00:12:53,360 enveloping mist nerf as well with the the the reduction of 223 00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:56,640 its heel amp. Now it's just a 20% amp that 224 00:12:56,920 --> 00:13:01,360 Hots healing has been increased by I think it was like 160% or 225 00:13:01,360 --> 00:13:04,760 something. So Hots are super duper relevant 226 00:13:04,760 --> 00:13:07,960 and I think that it'll be really no major struggle. 227 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:13,240 OK, I, I mean, you're talking about the different talents. 228 00:13:13,760 --> 00:13:17,120 One one thing that is there is that you're able to, I believe, 229 00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:20,720 cast miss as you're moving, but you get slowed down. 230 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:26,680 Now movement has been something I've seen a lot in the raids. 231 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:31,560 How is Miss Weaver handling movement with like the new setup 232 00:13:31,560 --> 00:13:34,360 in midnight? Is it a is it a struggle or is 233 00:13:34,360 --> 00:13:37,880 it something that Miss Weaver can, you know, roll with the 234 00:13:37,880 --> 00:13:39,320 punches? Sorry about that joke. 235 00:13:39,920 --> 00:13:43,640 Yeah, I mean, I mean, I think it'll definitely help a lot 236 00:13:43,640 --> 00:13:46,440 because one of the major concerns was like that Miss 237 00:13:46,440 --> 00:13:49,800 Reaver. So, you know, as I said, like 238 00:13:49,800 --> 00:13:52,160 it's a melee spec, so trying to stay in melee while things are 239 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:54,920 going on and trying to get those casts off are very hard. 240 00:13:55,760 --> 00:14:00,360 I I don't see it as like a major boon because, you know, maybe in 241 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:03,520 raid where we're casting a lot of vivifies as our main cast, 242 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:07,520 but NM plus there's a lot more than just kind of that vivify or 243 00:14:07,560 --> 00:14:10,680 I guess now being replaced by Shaylin's gift whenever we're 244 00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:14,440 talented into it. So just those two things are 245 00:14:14,440 --> 00:14:16,680 pretty good. But you know, that doesn't stop 246 00:14:16,680 --> 00:14:18,520 anything else. We have to get our like 247 00:14:18,520 --> 00:14:21,320 maintenance buffs out. You know, renewing mist breaks 248 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:23,400 it. We have rising sun kick, which 249 00:14:23,400 --> 00:14:25,720 breaks it. Rushing wind kick, same thing 250 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:29,080 breaks it pretty much anything else that we have to do outside 251 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:31,280 of vivify. Enveloping Mist and a life 252 00:14:31,280 --> 00:14:34,520 cocoon, which for some reason is not on the tool tip anymore, but 253 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:37,680 it is something that does not break the soothing mist channel. 254 00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:40,080 So allowing us to do that in raid is really good because 255 00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:42,680 that's our main ones and plus not so much. 256 00:14:42,680 --> 00:14:47,080 I don't really see it as a major benefit, but movement, I think 257 00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:49,440 in general Misreaver has been pretty good with in the first 258 00:14:49,440 --> 00:14:51,720 place. In Raid, you know, we have 259 00:14:51,800 --> 00:14:55,240 instant cast basically all the time as you're moving through 260 00:14:55,240 --> 00:14:58,520 things like you press rushing Wind Kick and then you have an 261 00:14:58,520 --> 00:15:01,680 instant Vivify. So you get a few of those lined 262 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:05,000 up and prepared for that movement and it makes things 263 00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:08,400 fairly smooth. It's not like Spirit Walker's 264 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:12,160 Grace or, you know, getting spatial from an Evoker that you 265 00:15:12,160 --> 00:15:15,720 can't really get anymore because they take Time Spiral and Raid, 266 00:15:15,720 --> 00:15:18,360 but still super possible. I don't. 267 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:21,640 I don't really see a big, big bad thing for Miss Weaver there. 268 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:28,520 OK, comparing Miss Weaver raid healing versus mythic plus, and 269 00:15:28,520 --> 00:15:30,840 I know you haven't had much mythic plus on on the dungeon, 270 00:15:30,840 --> 00:15:35,560 but just from like where the balance is right now are are 271 00:15:35,560 --> 00:15:40,400 Miss Weavers scaling well in five man content versus the ten 272 00:15:40,400 --> 00:15:42,960 20-30 people that you can have it in a raid? 273 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:47,400 Yeah, I think that I mean, Miss Weaver does pretty good in five 274 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:49,840 man content with the the talents that we have. 275 00:15:50,080 --> 00:15:53,800 There's a few outlying bugs that just make it not super great at 276 00:15:53,800 --> 00:15:58,920 the moment in both sets of like raid and M Plus, but like 277 00:15:58,920 --> 00:16:02,000 Ancient Teachings, for example, it heals a maximum of five 278 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:04,160 players and then splits that healing up between those 279 00:16:04,160 --> 00:16:07,480 players, you know, whoever is actually injured. 280 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:11,360 So if one person is not injured, then it splits into four and 281 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:13,880 then it keeps going down. So it's really scalable that 282 00:16:13,880 --> 00:16:16,440 way. It helps a lot just getting that 283 00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:20,040 like maintenance healing out as opposed to casting on somebody 284 00:16:20,040 --> 00:16:23,000 at all times. Like, you know, some healers 285 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:25,600 need to cast off, let's say, a regrowth on somebody that's 286 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:28,520 taking damage when you could just press a Rising Sun kick and 287 00:16:28,520 --> 00:16:31,080 it will heal that one person for a fairly large amount. 288 00:16:32,760 --> 00:16:36,880 But I think they're fine. There's a lot of concerns about 289 00:16:36,880 --> 00:16:40,560 like Life Cocoon, for example. It's always been a major concern 290 00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:45,320 for Miss Weaver just with tanks in particular, damage reduction 291 00:16:45,320 --> 00:16:50,120 on a tank is just so invaluable and for us to have a really, 292 00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:53,640 really minor one at 6%, just a channel soothing mist on to them 293 00:16:53,920 --> 00:16:56,560 when again back to the everything breaks the soothing 294 00:16:56,560 --> 00:16:58,880 mist. Sometimes you can't even cast it 295 00:16:58,880 --> 00:17:03,160 on these like shout scenarios, you know, like when talking 296 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:06,160 about Priory, for example, one of the Knights does their shout 297 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:10,160 or scream and you have to stop your channel in order to to get 298 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:11,640 it off. Otherwise you get silence for 10 299 00:17:11,640 --> 00:17:13,280 seconds. But you need this damage 300 00:17:13,280 --> 00:17:17,040 reduction on whoever it is. So it's kind of like that weird 301 00:17:17,040 --> 00:17:20,200 quirk of Miss Weaver that you have to do something extra that 302 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:24,440 somebody else does for free. It's it's very odd. 303 00:17:25,160 --> 00:17:27,720 But I think All in all, I mean, I think it works pretty well. 304 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:30,840 Just needs a bit of bit of tuning on the positive side. 305 00:17:31,840 --> 00:17:37,640 OK, further down that line, outside of the shame bubble is 306 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:44,920 what we call it with Migrant. What are the external situations 307 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:47,200 for Miss Weaver? Like what? 308 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:50,320 What kind of effort can you give to that that tank before they 309 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:53,520 take the big hit or the person who you know is going to stand 310 00:17:53,520 --> 00:17:56,000 in the goo? Yeah, I mean, it's, it's 311 00:17:56,000 --> 00:17:59,600 basically just like Cocoon, which is a really, really good 312 00:17:59,600 --> 00:18:03,760 external for ADPS, right? Because the, the lower amount of 313 00:18:03,760 --> 00:18:07,080 damage you take, the better an absorb is, right? 314 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:10,600 So if somebody takes, you know, even their entire health bar, 315 00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:13,680 I'll go with, you know, like health that is in midnight, 316 00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:17,560 let's say 450K, right? Or 500K just to make it easy. 317 00:18:17,800 --> 00:18:22,160 If they take a 500K hit with an absorb on them, that is a 500K 318 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:23,840 absorb. They take nothing, right? 319 00:18:23,840 --> 00:18:26,720 They take no damage at all, whereas with damage reduction, 320 00:18:26,760 --> 00:18:30,200 you have to go pretty high of damage reduced in order to not 321 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:34,200 take any damage for that. But as you scale up in the 322 00:18:34,200 --> 00:18:36,880 amount of damage that you've taken, which a tank is a really 323 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:39,200 good example, that they're constantly taking really, really 324 00:18:39,200 --> 00:18:42,960 big hits of damage. The absorb works well until a 325 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:45,920 certain point, so you can save them off of a really big hit, 326 00:18:46,760 --> 00:18:49,400 but after that you don't really have very much. 327 00:18:49,400 --> 00:18:52,360 You can channel soothing mist into them, you can continuously 328 00:18:52,360 --> 00:18:55,360 cast a bunch of vivifies into them and try and keep them 329 00:18:55,360 --> 00:18:57,760 alive. But I mean, it's really no 330 00:18:57,760 --> 00:19:02,840 comparison to that damage reduction when, you know, 331 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:06,200 they're taking a million hits from a bunch of little smallies 332 00:19:06,200 --> 00:19:10,960 and one of them breaks it after a second, which is not, you 333 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:13,760 know, not fake. It's happened so many times. 334 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:17,520 I'll put life cocoon on a tank and it will just die 335 00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:19,840 immediately. And then I just kind of have to 336 00:19:19,840 --> 00:19:23,200 hope and pray that I can keep them alive off of these crazy 337 00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:24,880 hits that they have no defensive for. 338 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:29,520 I mean, we do have like our chi cocoons which happen whenever we 339 00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:34,800 invoke our Celestial. But again, another weird part of 340 00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:37,480 utility that other healers don't really have to deal with. 341 00:19:37,800 --> 00:19:40,880 Like I have to use my major cooldown in order to give my 342 00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:43,960 group some form of quote UN quote damage reduction with 343 00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:47,160 these absorbs. And then it does nothing for a 344 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:50,600 tank, right? It's like 6% of your HP or 345 00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:53,960 something like that. It's nothing to to sit proudly 346 00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:59,000 about. Paint cooldowns seeming to have 347 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:02,920 been a sore spot for a long time, but like being able to 348 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:07,000 like quickly bounce a raid team back has always been something 349 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:10,920 that when I've come across Miss Weavers and raids has been a 350 00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:15,280 shining point. What would you say the niche for 351 00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:19,000 Miss Weavers are right now? Or do you feel like Miss Weavers 352 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:21,440 are being outshined in the niche that they should have? 353 00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:23,520 Where? What's the situation currently 354 00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:26,240 with midnight balancing? Yeah, you know, it's, it's 355 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:30,520 funny, I, I talked to Megaset, who's a a really awesome content 356 00:20:30,520 --> 00:20:34,040 creator for Miss Weaver, does a lot of dungeon stuff, is our 357 00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:35,560 best content creator. She's great. 358 00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:38,920 We were just kind of talking very briefly and I was like, 359 00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:41,800 what do you think Monk is about now? 360 00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:46,440 Like looking at it from what we've lost, we've lost all of 361 00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:51,120 our he lamps, which makes us like not very different from 362 00:20:51,120 --> 00:20:54,120 anybody else anymore where we don't have this extra thing that 363 00:20:54,120 --> 00:20:57,800 we do. You know, Misweaver is known as 364 00:20:57,800 --> 00:21:01,760 a, a throughput healer in, in modern Wow, I guess, like 365 00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:04,000 there's a damage reduction healer, there's a single target 366 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:07,280 healer, there's a healer that can, you know, top the raid 367 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:09,680 every 30 seconds like Evoker does. 368 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:13,120 And I, I, I don't think Misweaver has anything anymore, 369 00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:16,360 honestly. You know, first for a throughput 370 00:21:16,360 --> 00:21:19,200 healer that doesn't bring much to the raid, right? 371 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:22,680 We don't have power infusion. We don't bring like this crazy 372 00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:26,960 raid buff. We just don't really do good 373 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:31,040 healing as as a result, you know, we've seen in the war 374 00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:36,320 within Evoker has been insane at their healing and they're this 375 00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:38,920 throughput healer, but now they're also receiving like 376 00:21:39,360 --> 00:21:44,880 group wide damage reduction at like 16% group wide, you know, 377 00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:48,080 damage reduction at a maximum and then some spread across 378 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:49,640 raid. I don't know the specifics so 379 00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:52,760 please don't bash me if I'm wrong on that, but something 380 00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:54,200 around there. It's fine. 381 00:21:56,520 --> 00:21:59,840 So kind of seeing that it's like, where is Mist Weaver? 382 00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:03,000 Where does it stand now? I, I really don't think it does. 383 00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:07,120 It just kind of exists there and is at the mercy of our 384 00:22:07,120 --> 00:22:09,760 throughput, right? We kind of have to go into this, 385 00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:12,600 is Brewmaster good? Is Wind Walker good? 386 00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:15,640 If neither of them are good, then Miss Weaver is the only 387 00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:18,640 choice that can happen. But Miss Weaver is not at the 388 00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:21,360 forefront of that decision almost ever unless our 389 00:22:21,360 --> 00:22:25,160 throughput is so insane like we saw in a mere Dracil, right? 390 00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:27,760 And a mere Dracil in Dragonflight. 391 00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:30,440 Miss Weaver is really, really good because of the healing that 392 00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:33,320 we did specifically. Like on the end boss for 393 00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:36,560 example, right? We had to single target heal a 394 00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:39,680 tree that had to be healed in like 10 seconds. 395 00:22:40,120 --> 00:22:42,000 And Mystery did really good. We had a lot of supporting 396 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:44,840 talents there that increased our vivifies as we were single 397 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:48,200 target healing this tree and only got better as we were 398 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:52,880 healing more within like 1 channel of soothing mist. 399 00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:55,920 So it allowed us to have that really good niche of the single 400 00:22:55,920 --> 00:23:00,160 target healing, but it kind of fell off after that. 401 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:03,880 And then afterwards, it was like we had a good bit of, you know, 402 00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:07,560 these really medium lows, I should say, right? 403 00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:10,080 You know, instead of all of our healing falling off, whenever 404 00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:13,640 we're kind of going through this, we just kind of stagnate, 405 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:15,240 right? We have these renewing mist that 406 00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:19,600 are blanketed across our raid and then we can increase them at 407 00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:24,480 some points to like 200% of their original healing and then 408 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:27,520 have these fairly big burst windows whenever we press our 409 00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:30,280 cooldown. And with all of these he lamps 410 00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:32,640 that are gone, with all those multipliers that are gone, our 411 00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:36,200 cooldown is just kind of there doesn't really do much, you 412 00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:39,960 know, the cooldown of itself, the, the absorbs do more than 413 00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:42,440 what the actual cooldown does, which is so bad. 414 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:45,280 I mean, it's no interaction with what the gameplay is like. 415 00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:48,960 So yeah, I, I don't know where our Nisha's at anymore. 416 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:54,000 It's just kind of healing if it's good, yeah. 417 00:23:54,960 --> 00:24:03,400 OK, I mean, I would not want any spec to be reliant on the on 418 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:05,560 their other specs not having a place. 419 00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:07,880 So you're just like, oh, where can I fit this rain buff? 420 00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:10,360 I guess I take the the miss Weaver. 421 00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:18,160 So what would you think should have What, what do you think 422 00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:24,600 should happen in order to give a proper healing identity to Miss 423 00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:26,280 Weaver? What the What's the shortest 424 00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:30,320 route to a successful healing identity that you can see? 425 00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:35,440 Yeah, I mean, shortest route, the easiest 1 is just to make us 426 00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:37,760 what Preservation of Ochre was, right? 427 00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:41,600 You had this really, really strong, very bursty healer that 428 00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:46,280 was strong every like incredibly strong every minute and 30 right 429 00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:49,840 that they just got to do these bombs of healing onto the raid. 430 00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:53,600 It was super relevant in like nerbar palace and it's obviously 431 00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:57,720 been nerfed and now removed because it was so oppressive. 432 00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:00,200 So that would be like the quickest and easiest and 433 00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:05,120 dirtiest way to do it in order for us to get kind of that niche 434 00:25:05,120 --> 00:25:08,720 and identity back. I mean, I don't know, I feel 435 00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:10,440 like all the bases are covered, right? 436 00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:15,000 I'm we have disciplined priest that has kind of what that 437 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:17,600 preservation Evoker was like that they're a little bit at the 438 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:21,760 mercy of their cooldowns where, you know, every minute and 30 439 00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:24,680 they just kind of do this really big amount of healing and then 440 00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:27,560 they die down towards the end. You kind of have rested druid 441 00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:31,440 that has really solid spread out healing, which now I think they 442 00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:34,920 have a really major burst presence to their healing with 443 00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:37,800 like regrowths that are just bursting the raid that they kind 444 00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:41,120 of sort of stole from us with a regrowth affecting every single 445 00:25:41,120 --> 00:25:43,800 rejuve across the raid, which is just invigorating mists. 446 00:25:44,120 --> 00:25:46,120 It's vivify. It's basically the same thing. 447 00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:50,480 You know, you have H Paladin that is pretty good at like 448 00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:53,800 moderate healing across the raid that has been fairly well known 449 00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:57,600 for its single target healing and this kind of like topping 450 00:25:57,600 --> 00:25:59,760 somebody very quickly type healing. 451 00:26:01,360 --> 00:26:05,640 So it's hard for me to choose a place where things can go for 452 00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:09,440 Miss Weaver because it's always been that, like lone child out 453 00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:12,160 pretty much since its introduction. 454 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:16,360 Yeah, I'm not. I'm not sure. 455 00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:24,120 OK, all right. Swapping it up a little bit, we 456 00:26:24,120 --> 00:26:32,400 have seen the Miss Weaver buff get buffed itself and then 457 00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:37,520 reverted back. Do you feel that Misweavers, 458 00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:40,600 like we already talked about, of course, Externals. 459 00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:45,960 Do you feel like the Mystic Touch buff is doing enough in 460 00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:49,040 its current form? Do you feel that that should be 461 00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:53,880 something that gets addressed so that it doesn't feel left off? 462 00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:58,840 I know anybody who is playing playing the last spec without a 463 00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:03,440 proper raid buff or DK sport one out for them is yelling at me 464 00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:06,040 because it's they don't have one but miss Weaver. 465 00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:09,920 Do you think that buff needs to needs to be improved? 466 00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:14,800 Yeah, I mean, I'll be honest, I will swap with DK. 467 00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:18,480 If I was given the choice right now, I would gladly take a grip 468 00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:24,000 over what Mystic Touches. I mean, and a few of the other 469 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:27,200 things that DK has going for it, like they're immortal, they have 470 00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:30,240 this awesome raid buff that like produces damage. 471 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:32,200 They don't have to take damage. It's great. 472 00:27:33,120 --> 00:27:36,720 A lot of things going for it. But yeah, I mean, Mystic Touch 473 00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:38,640 lives in a really weird state right now. 474 00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:42,160 I was actually just kind of doing a deep dive into to 475 00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:45,640 seeing, you know, how many specs are actually dealing physical 476 00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:48,600 damage, right? Because the buff only effects 477 00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:52,040 physical damage. And you know, Demon Hunter has 478 00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:55,040 the opposite of ours that theirs effects all magical damage. 479 00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:58,600 But when you really take a look at the specs that are dealing 480 00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:04,200 physical damage, there's only two that are doing 100% physical 481 00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:09,680 damage, which is warrior Pot Warrior is like 95% physical 482 00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:11,960 damage. But yeah, I mean, those specs 483 00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:16,240 are doing mostly all physical and then it slowly weans down 484 00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:19,560 like you have actually, sorry, Ferrell Druid is also doing 485 00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:24,120 almost 100% physical damage. And then it goes down from there 486 00:28:24,120 --> 00:28:28,200 like rogue that you would think these, you know, melees that are 487 00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:30,840 attacking with their daggers are doing physical damage. 488 00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:36,120 It's not it's like 1 spec is doing 45% Fizz and another spec 489 00:28:36,120 --> 00:28:38,600 is doing, you know, 60 or something like that. 490 00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:42,640 So while those specs are really good that they take most like 491 00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:45,120 benefit from it. Also Hunter is a good one. 492 00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:47,920 I think it's like 80% of their damage is physical, something 493 00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:50,480 like that. I don't have everything in front 494 00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:52,280 of me to tell you, but somewhere around there. 495 00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:56,720 So those specs are you know, that's awesome that Miss Sugar 496 00:28:56,720 --> 00:29:02,200 can kind of synergize with that. But it's also really unfortunate 497 00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:05,000 because Miss Sugar can't synergize with anything else. 498 00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:09,720 You know, you have the state of when you really can only compare 499 00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:12,400 with other healers, right? Healers are the only thing you 500 00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:14,560 can kind of sort of compare with because that's what you're 501 00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:16,080 fighting for. You're fighting for that healer 502 00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:17,800 spot. When you look at everything that 503 00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:20,560 everybody else brings, with the exception of preservation of 504 00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:25,520 Ochre, though, I would say that Time Spiral is super duper good, 505 00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:28,880 especially in a raid format. Obviously dies a bit and M plus 506 00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:32,880 kind of has a similar vein to us, but they also have blood 507 00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:36,640 lust and you know this bleed dispel that they have. 508 00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:39,520 So not just necessarily about their raid buff, but the other 509 00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:43,280 things that it brings. It leaves mystery in a spot of 510 00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:46,280 OK, I don't bring damage reduction like devotion aura 511 00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:48,800 does. I don't bring mark of the wild, 512 00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:52,440 which versatility effects every single person you know their 513 00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:56,120 healing and their damage with priest. 514 00:29:56,120 --> 00:30:01,680 They bring Fort, so they raise stamina with I mean, that's both 515 00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:04,280 priests, right? You have shaman that just got 516 00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:08,400 this insane raid buff. That is probably the best raid 517 00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:10,520 buff ever that they've ever created. 518 00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:14,880 And it's kind of unfair, right? We we we only affect a super 519 00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:17,880 small subset. Yeah, it's great. 520 00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:22,600 Everybody looks out for it. I wish that I had it, but I 521 00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:26,760 think actually if you look at the benefits of misrevers raid 522 00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:30,720 buff compared to shamans, even on the specs that are fully 523 00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:34,720 doing physical damage, shamans still wins out and they bring 524 00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:38,280 bloodlust and they bring spirit link and some damage reduction. 525 00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:42,520 So much like so many tools around their tool kit that just 526 00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:47,400 like outshine anything that Misreur brings, that it's in a 527 00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:49,520 weird spot, right? And that's kind of what I 528 00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:51,960 mentioned before, that Mystic Touch is going to be brought to 529 00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:54,400 a raid. There's been times where they've 530 00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:58,600 decided to not bring a monk into a raid because of the way that 531 00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:00,920 the raid works with that specific boss that it's really 532 00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:02,640 bad for melee, for example, right? 533 00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:05,040 The less melee that you have that can actually benefit from 534 00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:08,240 it, the less that you need the Mystic Touch buff. 535 00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:10,800 Whereas versatility effects every single person. 536 00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:15,560 I do think that, you know, the buff that they did to it and the 537 00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:19,160 subsequent nerf was needed. In a sense. 538 00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:22,000 I I kind of understand it because that just makes that 539 00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:25,680 synergy even stronger where it's like I have to play with the 540 00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:31,080 speck in order to do decent. I don't know if it was the worst 541 00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:34,080 thing to happen because it was gonna happen anyways, right? 542 00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:35,600 You have to play with the speck to do good. 543 00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:38,360 Now I just have to have to play with the speck. 544 00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:43,400 I don't know, but ultimately I would like to see it changed. 545 00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:46,720 I mean, I, I don't see a reason why it can't be Same with like 546 00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:51,160 Demon Hunter, even though they buff literally everybody else 547 00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:53,120 because it's just magical damage. 548 00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:55,760 You know, chaos, which is literally every single magic 549 00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:57,080 school. And when you look at every 550 00:31:57,080 --> 00:31:59,840 caster, I mean, it's all magical damage. 551 00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:04,760 You look at Rhett Paladin, which is doing 7% physical damage, 7% 552 00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:06,120 on a melee. It's insane. 553 00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:11,520 So those things are just kind of kind of weird and I wish would 554 00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:20,640 change absolutely. OK, if we're then taking that 555 00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:25,080 from the raid and trying to fight for that raid slot, it's 556 00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:26,720 even worse when you're in a five man. 557 00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:31,280 We're talking about specific setups for a Mythic Plus group, 558 00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:35,880 and you're talking about Brett Paladin's only doing such a 559 00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:41,840 small single digit percentage and and that does that mean that 560 00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:47,920 Mystic Touch really isn't going to be benefiting most of the 561 00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:51,440 groups that you might pug with? And does that mean that if 562 00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:54,240 you're bringing a Miss Weaver, you're looking for a very 563 00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:58,160 particular comp in Mythic Plus? Yeah, I think so. 564 00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:02,720 I mean, I don't think that that's like something that you 565 00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:06,560 have to super duper worry about, but synergy in M is always super 566 00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:09,120 good, right? You want to have some form of 567 00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:12,560 synergy within your group because if you don't, then it's 568 00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:14,680 kind of like, what's the point, right? 569 00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:18,040 I could have just brought, you know, this shaman that's gonna 570 00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:21,920 affect everybody in my group and not just, you know, the fury 571 00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:24,080 warrior that's in my group. And then everybody else doesn't 572 00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:27,280 get any benefit. Now, this obviously is not to 573 00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:29,240 say like this is a requirement, right? 574 00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:32,640 Unfortunately, meta has always kind of come down from the top 575 00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:35,320 to the bottom. So it will eventually affect 576 00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:38,120 everyone, but it shouldn't, right? 577 00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:40,720 If you're doing a weekly plus 10, that does not matter to 578 00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:43,600 anybody. Even, you know, non world first 579 00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:45,240 keys. It does not matter to anybody 580 00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:48,480 really. It does add up for sure. 581 00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:52,600 But yeah, I mean, it makes it hard, right, Because if you 582 00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:55,880 compare, which again, back to I'm only comparing between 583 00:33:55,880 --> 00:34:00,480 healers, I I can't really compare between, you know, ADPS 584 00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:02,640 and a healer because I'm fighting for that spot in 585 00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:06,480 particular. It it makes a bit of disrupt 586 00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:10,199 when you're trying to choose because this other healer can 587 00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:13,800 either do healing better than me, brings a better raid buff, 588 00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:19,440 has more utility, does something better where monks monks is 589 00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:22,400 really hard to sell. So getting that comp kind of 590 00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:26,920 perfect is I think probably a necessity if you really want to 591 00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:30,880 do super duper well. But I don't think it's, you 592 00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:34,400 know, make or break, but it is a a big benefit. 593 00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:41,560 One thing that I think that we haven't really talked about just 594 00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:44,000 because it really hasn't been much of an issue in the last 595 00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:50,639 expansion is mana efficiency. If you're running through keys 596 00:34:50,639 --> 00:34:54,960 and you've got good throughput, maybe not the best throughput, 597 00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:58,120 but you can just keep putting that throughput on. 598 00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:03,680 That could be a place for healers in mythic Plus does Monk 599 00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:08,560 farewell in that? Are you having to stop often in 600 00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:11,960 order to like recoup that MP? Just are you going OOM 601 00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:15,240 significantly or can you just keep trucking? 602 00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:18,480 Yeah, I mean, I'm not going to lie, I don't. 603 00:35:19,240 --> 00:35:22,200 I don't think that that would really matter too much if a 604 00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:25,400 healer, you know, is doing medium healing, but they never 605 00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:29,120 run out of mana. I think it's it's definitely the 606 00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:31,400 opposite way around that if they're doing really good 607 00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:33,520 healing, they usually just don't run out of mana. 608 00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:36,960 But if they do really good healing anyways, they'll they'll 609 00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:38,960 figure it out one way or another. 610 00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:45,960 Monsieur now has I think mana's OK for M plus. 611 00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:49,040 So, you know, running from pack to pack I don't think is a major 612 00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:51,880 issue anyways, right? Because you have as a healer, 613 00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:53,160 especially as a monk healer, right? 614 00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:55,560 You just rolled forward and you're kind of like already 615 00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:58,800 there at the next pack. So you can briefly sit down. 616 00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:01,440 And not every pack is gonna be so much of this mana 617 00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:03,960 intensiveness. Or, you know, let's say you're 618 00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:07,680 walking up to a boss and there's no damage for the 1st 15 619 00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:09,960 seconds, right? You can sit down before combat 620 00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:13,440 starts and you don't have to really do anything until you 621 00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:15,640 have to really start healing and getting prepared. 622 00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:20,840 There's obviously exceptions to that rule for sure, but I don't 623 00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:24,200 think that's a major issue. I mean, miss Uber now in in M 624 00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:29,520 plus specifically, I can foresee mana issues once we get to these 625 00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:33,960 like 3-4 five minute bosses that require either a lot of single 626 00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:38,000 target healing or just really major, you know, group wide 627 00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:41,680 healing. I mean, we have a talent right 628 00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:46,360 now that when you drink Manatee stacks, you regain stacks of 629 00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:49,600 Shaylin's Gift to heal your group more. 630 00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:57,600 So we kind of got rid of this part of Manatee that was you 631 00:36:57,600 --> 00:36:59,880 drink some stacks and then afterwards you have this 632 00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:04,080 duration of reduced costs on on your spells. 633 00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:07,400 That's now gone again, back to this like tracking mentality 634 00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:09,280 type thing that they're removing in midnight. 635 00:37:09,720 --> 00:37:12,320 And now it just returns mana, which I don't think it was 636 00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:16,000 enough mana return that they gave us as like a, a 637 00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:17,880 compensation for that being gone. 638 00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:21,320 Because I think All in all, Misreaver is kind of maybe this 639 00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:23,680 is our niche, right? This is our mana niche that we 640 00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:29,040 are super mana reliant, you know, constantly worrying about 641 00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:32,400 mana where, you know, we have some healers that you're never 642 00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:35,920 think about it ever, or they're like moderately fine. 643 00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:38,800 It's just a thing that they have to deal with where monks is 644 00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:41,440 constantly in the back of our minds of, you know, I have to 645 00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:45,280 have manatee going in order to make myself, you know, prolong 646 00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:47,280 the duration that I have until the end of a fight. 647 00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:52,760 So I, I, I definitely foresee a bunch of issues that can happen 648 00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:56,680 as fights progress longer. I'm very worried about pre patch 649 00:37:56,680 --> 00:38:00,240 right now. Nexus King is like the killer of 650 00:38:00,240 --> 00:38:03,480 mana in general. And now I, I genuinely don't 651 00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:05,120 know how I'm going to survive until the end. 652 00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:08,840 Maybe the damage that they have reduced it by is like more than 653 00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:12,200 enough to not worry about it. But if I go umm in the first 654 00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:16,720 minute 30 I'm going to be very very sad. 655 00:38:16,720 --> 00:38:22,760 Miss Fever. OK, that mana game, do you find 656 00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:28,000 that that's a fun mini game? Like in my mind, if you're 657 00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:31,440 healing and you're a fairly reactive healing, because that's 658 00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:34,520 what monks do, that's what shaman healing is for the most 659 00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:37,880 part, your reactive healing. That mini game is kind of what 660 00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:42,200 makes you somewhat stand out in like gameplay loops. 661 00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:46,000 Is the Mana mini game a fun mini game? 662 00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:52,520 So I did think it was quite fun before this season. 663 00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:56,440 I thought it was some way for you to not only provide a bunch 664 00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:58,760 of skill expression to the gameplay, right? 665 00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:02,840 You have this thing that only stacks to 20 and you can drink 666 00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:05,720 it at some points. You know, you have this mana 667 00:39:05,720 --> 00:39:09,520 cost reduction at the end of it that you know you want to fit in 668 00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:11,560 as many mana heavy spells to do it. 669 00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:14,440 So you're kind of shifting your globals around in order to like 670 00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:18,120 fit a rushing wind kick in there or fit a enveloping mist in 671 00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:19,880 there. That's like reduced via some 672 00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:23,680 buff that you got and it allowed you to play pretty good. 673 00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:27,480 Like if you didn't play manatee well, you did not get to the end 674 00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:29,440 of the fight and you did not play very well. 675 00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:36,520 Prior to this, this season we just had so many globals that 676 00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:40,520 were active for us, or I mean, sorry, this season we just have 677 00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:42,080 so many globals that are filled in. 678 00:39:42,240 --> 00:39:47,120 Our CPM is so high that, you know, playing the Mana mini game 679 00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:49,840 was so hard. While you have all of these 680 00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:52,480 effects that are going on, you know you're getting Cdr from 4 681 00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:57,400 different sources and you're constantly pressing abilities 682 00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:00,080 and it's really, really hard to keep up sometimes, right? 683 00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:04,520 Mystery did not start this season super well, so in order 684 00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:08,480 to keep up with different healers you had to cast more, 685 00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:11,840 and Manatee was just like this looming thing at the back. 686 00:40:14,240 --> 00:40:16,560 I definitely need to. Cool down and screw screw your 687 00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:18,200 throughput when you did it on it. 688 00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:22,120 Yeah, exactly. So it's, I think it's fun, I 689 00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:24,480 think it's engaging. I think it brings a level of 690 00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:28,040 skill expression which a lot of it has now been reduced by that 691 00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:31,840 mana cost reduction being gone where it's just kind of a now 692 00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:36,560 it's really just like a kind of like bug kind of just standing 693 00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:40,800 there and you gotta squash it eventually because otherwise you 694 00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:44,040 don't make it to the end of a fight where some healers again 695 00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:47,360 back to Shaman, you know, Shaman just kind of does what it does 696 00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:50,400 and then it sticks around like 8090 and it's just there. 697 00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:56,720 So yeah, I, I don't know what has to happen with it, but it's, 698 00:40:57,200 --> 00:41:01,120 it's fine, I guess. OK. 699 00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:04,720 We've been talking about midnight for all of this and we 700 00:41:04,720 --> 00:41:07,720 haven't yet to discuss the Apex talents. 701 00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:12,360 Yeah, So what is Miss Weaver's Apex talents and does it 702 00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:17,480 actually change the game? Yeah, so Miss Weaver's Apex 703 00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:20,040 talent is like all of them. Four points. 704 00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:25,240 First one is that when you just cast, you got a chance to proc 705 00:41:25,240 --> 00:41:28,520 this thing called Spirit Font, which visually I think is really 706 00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:31,000 cool. Soothing Mist is kind of 707 00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:33,800 something that Miss Weaver, I mean, has always had, right? 708 00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:37,120 It's a super cool channeled spell that either dominates 709 00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:40,840 gameplay or it does not needed all the time, just depending on 710 00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:44,680 the way that you're healing. And that visual has always been 711 00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:46,240 super cool to a bunch of misfivers. 712 00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:49,720 I love it. And what it does is it sends off 713 00:41:49,720 --> 00:41:53,840 5 soothing mists from your body on to five players. 714 00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:57,680 It swaps around to different targets that you know, if they 715 00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:02,200 get healed to 100%, moves on to somebody else, heals them, just 716 00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:04,800 gives them, you know, this extra bit of healing from you. 717 00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:09,440 So visually, I think super cool. We had a talent previously 718 00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:11,640 called Unison that unfortunately got removed. 719 00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:14,520 I really don't know why, probably because of this, the 720 00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:18,200 Apex talent, but it just replicated your soothing mists, 721 00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:20,480 right? So you could have had, I think 722 00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:23,960 it was a maximum of like 16 soothing mists onto your raid at 723 00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:27,600 once, which is crazy, right? It's like a spider going through 724 00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:31,680 the raid of these green myths. But I mean, it was really cool. 725 00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:35,240 But I understand kind of why it had to be removed to not have 726 00:42:35,240 --> 00:42:39,960 that happen when that procs. And you press the sorry when it 727 00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:41,480 procs, it doesn't immediately go. 728 00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:44,240 You have to press it, right? It's not like immediate passive 729 00:42:44,240 --> 00:42:46,400 healing, right? Yeah, you have it's tied to 730 00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:48,080 enveloping this. So whenever you cast the 731 00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:51,640 enveloping this after it proc, it would start doing this. 732 00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:54,720 And it's not like you channeling it, it's just a buff that you 733 00:42:54,720 --> 00:42:57,440 get right that just pushes it on to everybody else. 734 00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:02,200 So it's really good. It also like the last point is 735 00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:05,160 tied to Thunder Focus T so you can guarantee a proc that way. 736 00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:10,880 The like 2 middle nodes is just you know, a little bit of extra 737 00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:15,840 buff, higher rushing wind kick, rising sun kick healing more 738 00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:18,760 enveloping mist healing while your spirit fonts are active. 739 00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:20,640 Those are like the bonus is doubled. 740 00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:24,400 So pretty basic stuff in the middle, but I mean, ultimately I 741 00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:29,040 think it's really cool. I think for the way that it 742 00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:32,680 heals, I think was really smart, right, that they have this 743 00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:34,520 talent that's not really used much anymore. 744 00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:38,160 Visually is a really major part of Mist Reaver of like your 745 00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:40,960 mists, right? Your Mist healing people, you 746 00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:44,120 don't really get to see them super often in gameplay just 747 00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:46,720 because you don't really use soothing Mist all that much. 748 00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:50,080 So to be able to activate it that way is really cool. 749 00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:52,240 Thematically, I think it's really cool. 750 00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:56,640 Numerically in raid it does a lot better just because of the 751 00:43:56,640 --> 00:44:00,360 way that it works. And then an M Plus, I think it's 752 00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:05,120 kind of all right. Definitely some other Apex 753 00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:07,520 talents that I've seen that are really, really cool and do a lot 754 00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:11,480 more. But All in all, I can't really 755 00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:13,040 complain with it. I think it's really cool. 756 00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:15,640 When it procs, how long does that? 757 00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:19,480 How long do you have to use that proc? 758 00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:23,120 Is it sticking around for like 10 seconds, 30 seconds, a minute 759 00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:26,240 or like it appears? It's 30 seconds, so it's a 760 00:44:26,240 --> 00:44:30,000 really long time on it should proc multiple times a minute. 761 00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:33,240 So ideally you kind of want to use it when you get it right. 762 00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:38,760 We had we had a bug on not, I guess not really a bug, but on 763 00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:42,240 beta for the longest time that was actually fixed yesterday 764 00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:45,600 that it was not visible on the the cooldown manager. 765 00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:48,440 So it's just very hard to see when you got a proc versus like 766 00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:52,640 the guaranteed one from Thunder Focus T, which I mean affect the 767 00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:54,440 gameplay, right. You didn't know when you had 768 00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:57,840 healing when you actually had healing where you couldn't, you 769 00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:00,480 know, could have used that instead of a a cool down, 770 00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:03,200 because I would say it's about cool down strength, maybe like a 771 00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:06,400 mini cool down strength of of a cast. 772 00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:09,360 So sticks around for a while. You could definitely plan around 773 00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:12,120 it a little bit. It's not just like you get it. 774 00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:16,240 You have to spend it now, but it's more so I should spend it 775 00:45:16,240 --> 00:45:19,720 fairly soon. You know that that 30 seconds, I 776 00:45:19,720 --> 00:45:22,240 think that's kind of great. Like if you're at the end of a 777 00:45:22,240 --> 00:45:24,600 pack, you're like, no, no, I'm just going to bring this into 778 00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:27,640 the next one. If you're if it procs in the 779 00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:30,280 middle of a boss fighting, you know, the next damage events 780 00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:33,640 coming up, you kind of can save it to like actually be 781 00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:35,280 effective. I like that. 782 00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:37,720 OK. Yeah, it's pretty good. 783 00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:41,880 I I think that the way that it works is really well, I think 784 00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:44,440 it's better than kind of some of the things that we've seen in 785 00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:47,160 the war within where we have this buff that is literally 786 00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:52,320 infinite, which I think is a bit unfair of of just the way that 787 00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:53,720 it plays. I think that it should never 788 00:45:53,720 --> 00:45:57,080 have been infinite. And definitely maybe a 30 second 789 00:45:57,080 --> 00:46:01,000 thing would have been nice too there, but it was definitely a a 790 00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:03,480 major bonus to monk. OK. 791 00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:05,800 All right. Last things that I want to ask 792 00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:10,200 you about congening with talents, of course, in midnight, 793 00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:15,640 sorry, in midnight we're going to have a new row of talents in 794 00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:18,760 both of those heroes trees. I think Monk also got some 795 00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:23,840 talents completely pulled out and replaced as well for for 796 00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:26,320 their hero trees. How are those looking? 797 00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:28,800 Let's start with like the conduit of the Celestials. 798 00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:31,800 Like how is condo Celestials looking with those new talents? 799 00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:37,440 Yeah, so Conduit was definitely the the baby of whoever did our 800 00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:42,160 hero trees of, of, you know, looking at the way that monks 801 00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:47,000 should play it got a lot of changes to it, so much more than 802 00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:50,200 Master of Harmony. In the Conduit celestials tree 803 00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:54,280 we got, you know, a choice, a new choice node between whether 804 00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:57,360 or not our celestials active. If we do 5% more healing, it's a 805 00:46:57,360 --> 00:47:00,560 little bit boring, but 5% is 5% in cooldowns. 806 00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:04,200 I'll take it with another choice node there that increases rising 807 00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:05,720 sun kick damage. So pretty good. 808 00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:10,840 The tree is just to like preface, it is very well known 809 00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:15,480 for not great damage because Master of Harmony did phenomenal 810 00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:19,160 damage when it really needed to, so it got a lot of supporting 811 00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:23,720 talents for damage there. There's another one that conduit 812 00:47:23,720 --> 00:47:28,280 itself, the actual button press no longer gets increased by the 813 00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:33,320 number of targets up to a cap. Now it is doing maximum damage 814 00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:38,520 until 5 targets, and then it gets reduced past that, so it 815 00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:41,640 does even more damage. Now there's a talent there that 816 00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:47,000 increases its damage and healing when you have lower amounts of 817 00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:50,080 targets to do. So it's like kind of inverse but 818 00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:52,440 still doing good damage and healing. 819 00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:56,440 So those are really good. Those are welcomed. 820 00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:59,280 I don't really love that they're adding damage onto our tree. 821 00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:03,320 I guess some of the damage gets pushed into healing, like the 822 00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:04,960 Rising Sun kick for example, right? 823 00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:06,480 Because it converts into healing. 824 00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:10,800 Not a super big fan of of that in particular, but it's fine. 825 00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:14,480 The tree really needed some of that damage like I mentioned 826 00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:17,600 earlier, like our hero talents are coming in to the tree now. 827 00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:20,960 So changing the way that Heart of the Jade Serpent worked from 828 00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:24,240 Shaolin's Gift to Thunder Focus T activating it and then Thunder 829 00:48:24,240 --> 00:48:27,360 Focus T gets cooldown reduction through Heart of the Jade 830 00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:30,200 Serpent. So very, very much like a, a, a 831 00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:32,360 cyclical relationship with both of them. 832 00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:35,120 We gain haste during our Heart of the Jade Serpent. 833 00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:40,160 There's one more that I'm totally blanking on that we got 834 00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:41,720 on our new robe that I can't remember. 835 00:48:41,720 --> 00:48:44,080 Oh, it's a, a random proc to Heart of the Jade Serpent. 836 00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:47,120 So a lot of really good things working there for Thunder Focus 837 00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:52,000 T like now it's it's kind of become this like almost major 838 00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:54,000 cooldown. So many things are tied to it 839 00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:57,080 now that it's super strong. That makes the tree really, 840 00:48:57,080 --> 00:49:01,280 really strong. So a lot of things there. 841 00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:06,080 Master of Harmony unfortunately got some really sad changes that 842 00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:08,720 I don't love with the tier sets edition. 843 00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:12,200 Like I mentioned before, it was kind of like in a reduced format 844 00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:15,200 right before it was super overbearing and did a lot of 845 00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:19,000 healing when it really, really got into it and especially on 846 00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:21,040 the lower end, did a lot of healing when you just didn't 847 00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:22,880 really have too much to heal anyways. 848 00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:28,640 And then they reduce it down to like when we get a rising sun 849 00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:30,920 kick that is guaranteed, which is good, right? 850 00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:33,160 That's a good way to to move around it from what it 851 00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:35,920 previously was of just like the more healing you do, the more 852 00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:37,640 chances you have to gain a stack of it. 853 00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:41,600 So that was really good. We got another node that 854 00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:45,280 increases ancient teachings healing by 50% or the, excuse 855 00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:48,440 me, the the transfer of damage into healing by 50%. 856 00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:54,920 So fairly basic node. The capstone of the tree was, I 857 00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:58,600 would say, reworked. Not necessarily a nerf, not 858 00:49:58,600 --> 00:50:02,320 really a buff. Puffed for raid nerf for M plus 859 00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:04,840 kind of. It used to have this 20% heel 860 00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:08,200 amp attached to it that had a lot of intricacies on it that a 861 00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:09,640 lot of mysteries are very confused. 862 00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:11,280 I had to write a whole guide about it. 863 00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:14,880 Make weak wores around it. It was a super convoluted thing 864 00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:18,800 that still is kind of around there but isn't really worried 865 00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:22,800 some anymore. But it was reworked, so it made 866 00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:29,840 it so that when you cast Vivify or Shalin's Gift now it puts a 867 00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:33,200 Hot for 100% of the amount that you healed onto that player and 868 00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:37,200 reducing from this vitality pool that you had, which is really 869 00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:39,080 good. It's very solid for healing. 870 00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:42,880 But as a result of that, you know, Shalin's Gift, for 871 00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:45,120 example, an M plus it stacks up to 10. 872 00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:48,000 So the more stacks you have, the more healing it does. 873 00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:51,920 And when you press it at 10 stacks, that's a lot of healing. 874 00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:55,800 So it just like wipes your entire pool worth of vitality. 875 00:50:56,080 --> 00:51:00,040 So previously where we had these really big burst moments of 876 00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:02,960 healing when you press Thunder focus T that gave you this heel 877 00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:06,720 amp that gave you this pool of of healing to work with either 878 00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:10,120 applied onto healing or damage. Now when you do it, you just 879 00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:13,560 don't have enough vitality regularly like to to do anything 880 00:51:13,560 --> 00:51:16,120 with. So good for raid, right? 881 00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:19,720 Because now you have this, this pool that can no longer cap 882 00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:21,640 anymore. Previously in raid, you just sit 883 00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:26,000 on 100% vitality for, you know, 10 seconds because you press it, 884 00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:28,080 you do a bunch of healing and then it's done. 885 00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:33,880 So good for raid and plus, which it was mainly good for, lost out 886 00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:35,480 a lot. You don't do damage with the 887 00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:37,720 tree anymore. The thing that used to do like 888 00:51:37,720 --> 00:51:40,440 30 to 40% of your damage is now 2%. 889 00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:45,080 A lot of the healing nodes do practically nothing for healing. 890 00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:47,840 It's very, very damage focused, which is fine. 891 00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:52,360 It worked really well. But when we're comparing the two 892 00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:56,960 trees, it's, I mean, the difference is quite stark. 893 00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:03,040 Perhaps the team is gonna come back with another pass through. 894 00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:08,000 Maybe, maybe not. Unfortunately I was was playing 895 00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:12,720 Shaman at the throughout the War Within and for those who might 896 00:52:12,720 --> 00:52:19,320 remember, one of the the hero talents was left in a really 897 00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:25,640 horrible position and didn't get its rework until the Point O5 898 00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:29,800 patch. So let's hope that's not the 899 00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:32,560 situation for you. I'm glad one of your trees looks 900 00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:34,440 like a baby gem and it's wonderful. 901 00:52:34,600 --> 00:52:38,520 So you do have an option, but you want you want both options 902 00:52:38,520 --> 00:52:41,360 to be viable. Yeah, and I mean, Miss Sugar, I 903 00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:45,360 think is not not a stranger to these things happening where 904 00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:48,560 things start off really bad and then they get moderately good as 905 00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:52,080 time progresses, just with, you know, recognizing that there's 906 00:52:52,080 --> 00:52:53,880 an issue and then it being solved. 907 00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:57,120 I think Miss Sugar has done really good in like 908 00:52:57,120 --> 00:52:59,360 Dragonflight. The wherewithin dragonflight, 909 00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:04,160 especially the the rise of miss fever was pretty crazy from the 910 00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:07,360 depths of nothing to pretty solid. 911 00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:10,480 You know, being a meta healer in in dragonflight season 3 and 912 00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:12,920 being wanted pretty often for raid. 913 00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:15,960 And you know, while it didn't do the highest of keys that resto 914 00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:19,240 Jura did in that season, it still was the most populous 915 00:53:19,240 --> 00:53:23,240 healer, which is like unforeseen levels of gameplay. 916 00:53:23,240 --> 00:53:25,880 So I'm hoping that something comes of it. 917 00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:29,920 I think leaving the tree in the dust is is not a good thing. 918 00:53:30,240 --> 00:53:34,240 Hopefully this is like the devs evil plan of like let me make 919 00:53:34,240 --> 00:53:37,400 the tree so bad nobody plays it and then I have to tell Blizzard 920 00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:42,520 I have to rework this tree to get players on because they did 921 00:53:42,520 --> 00:53:45,120 some crazy changes in the war within that made the tree super 922 00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:51,560 meta and and I think like the .5 or point yeah something patched 923 00:53:51,560 --> 00:53:56,440 like that that made it really good, which is mostly bug fixes, 924 00:53:56,440 --> 00:54:00,000 but this isn't bug fixes. This is just tuning and bad 925 00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:04,520 nodes. The the last thing that I've got 926 00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:08,280 to ask you because you are the first healer that we've had on 927 00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:14,000 for this series, with the add-ons and the changes to the 928 00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:19,280 API, healers will not have access to nearly the same amount 929 00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:21,200 of information that they used to have. 930 00:54:22,240 --> 00:54:26,360 How much is that affecting Miss Weavers in particular? 931 00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:32,680 Yeah, I think that it's not super affecting monk as much as 932 00:54:32,680 --> 00:54:37,720 other healers are like rest of druid feel bad for him, hate 933 00:54:37,720 --> 00:54:41,800 them, but feel bad for him. But I, I think it does in some 934 00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:44,720 of these moments of miss Weaver, like for example, with, you 935 00:54:44,720 --> 00:54:49,160 know, renewing miss coverage on the raid right when we have, and 936 00:54:49,240 --> 00:54:51,440 granted, there is add-ons, I have not checked it out yet. 937 00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:54,840 So I could be just saying things that are fully in function now. 938 00:54:55,440 --> 00:54:58,600 But when you look at, you know, these buffs for me personally, 939 00:54:58,600 --> 00:55:01,480 like I've always played with my renewing mist at the top right, 940 00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:04,600 my enveloping mist in the middle on the bottom right. 941 00:55:04,600 --> 00:55:07,720 I had, you know, enveloping breath, for example, and 942 00:55:07,720 --> 00:55:10,400 soothing mist was at the top. So definitely being able to like 943 00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:14,680 filter out where things are on my raid frames helps me in 944 00:55:14,680 --> 00:55:17,120 figuring out quickly who has what. 945 00:55:17,640 --> 00:55:22,160 Now the way that they work now is that, I mean, you have no 946 00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:26,040 filtering whatsoever. You have one singular line of of 947 00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:31,240 hots or buffs that you apply onto them with what add-ons can 948 00:55:31,240 --> 00:55:35,520 do now, which is filter them by like making them alphabetical or 949 00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:38,160 by like duration. But that doesn't do anything for 950 00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:42,280 me because something that's alphabetical could be less 951 00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:45,960 important, right? When I look at, let's say chi 952 00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:49,160 cocoon versus enveloping mist versus renewing mist, right, 953 00:55:49,160 --> 00:55:51,560 they would just display in that order. 954 00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:54,600 But chi cocoons to me don't really mean too much. 955 00:55:54,840 --> 00:55:57,040 They do if I'm playing a specific build and I have to do 956 00:55:57,040 --> 00:55:59,480 some things on it. But I don't really care all that 957 00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:01,800 much about who has this absorb on them. 958 00:56:02,040 --> 00:56:05,000 I care about who has my renewing mist so that when I place 959 00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:07,280 another renewing mist, I'm not wasting it, right? 960 00:56:07,360 --> 00:56:10,800 There's some fall back mechanics that renewing mist has that when 961 00:56:10,800 --> 00:56:15,360 you place a new one on somebody that has one already that can 962 00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:19,120 jump to somebody, but only if somebody is injured and near 963 00:56:19,120 --> 00:56:22,120 them in like a 20 yard range. So it's really good that there's 964 00:56:22,120 --> 00:56:23,680 this like fall back protection on it. 965 00:56:24,040 --> 00:56:27,200 But if those things are not true, I've now lost this 966 00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:30,000 renewing mist, right? And for me to quickly identify 967 00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:31,560 things that are happening on my raid. 968 00:56:32,560 --> 00:56:35,080 I mean, it's hard. It's it's definitely pretty hard 969 00:56:35,080 --> 00:56:36,960 and like the heat of the moment, especially, right? 970 00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:41,360 I mean, I'm sure like if anybody has ever progged something, you 971 00:56:41,360 --> 00:56:43,840 tunnel vision sometimes and it's really easy to get into these 972 00:56:43,840 --> 00:56:49,640 hard moments of a raid boss and you go into it and you just kind 973 00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:53,120 of are I guess on autopilot. So for you to be able to get 974 00:56:53,120 --> 00:56:56,600 there, like figuring out those things in the moment makes it 975 00:56:56,600 --> 00:57:00,680 really hard filtering out buffs or or debuffs that are 976 00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:04,360 unimportant, right? I filter out currently every 977 00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:07,680 debuff that is like raid wide. I know when my raid is taking 978 00:57:07,680 --> 00:57:09,320 damage. I don't care that they, I have 979 00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:12,840 this debuff on them that's ticking for 1% of their health. 980 00:57:13,040 --> 00:57:16,640 I, I, I could care less about that, but it's on my raid frames 981 00:57:16,640 --> 00:57:19,400 without a choice for me to get rid of that. 982 00:57:19,720 --> 00:57:23,400 And as a healer, I feel like even with mystery, right, it's 983 00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:28,400 it, it just, I've lost agency for anything that I'm doing 984 00:57:28,520 --> 00:57:31,360 right. ADPS can display their their 985 00:57:31,640 --> 00:57:35,520 Dots on a nameplate. They can display their cooldowns 986 00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:38,280 on their cooldown manager in any order that they want, wherever 987 00:57:38,280 --> 00:57:41,600 they want, how they want. There's obviously limitations to 988 00:57:41,600 --> 00:57:45,080 it, but I just don't have that agency anymore. 989 00:57:46,640 --> 00:57:50,920 So I'm, I'm a bit worried. I, I think that some things that 990 00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:55,440 they have done, or I guess I should say lack of doing is very 991 00:57:55,440 --> 00:57:59,560 clear that, you know, healers are not at their forefront of 992 00:57:59,560 --> 00:58:01,880 what they're doing. And they're definitely, you 993 00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:03,520 know, even though they've said they want to make healing 994 00:58:03,520 --> 00:58:06,320 easier, this is not the right way to do it. 995 00:58:07,120 --> 00:58:11,040 Even as a mystery. I, I got some Flack the other 996 00:58:11,040 --> 00:58:14,240 day for being the only healer with these like survival guides 997 00:58:14,240 --> 00:58:17,360 that Wowhead is doing, being the only healer that didn't mention 998 00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:20,360 raid frames. But for me, it was like, every 999 00:58:20,360 --> 00:58:22,640 healer's gonna do it. So let me talk about the actual 1000 00:58:22,640 --> 00:58:26,320 problems with my spec, then talk about something that's kind of 1001 00:58:26,760 --> 00:58:30,640 well known anyways. You're not going to repeat the 1002 00:58:30,640 --> 00:58:34,960 same thing that five other specs have put in, as well as several 1003 00:58:34,960 --> 00:58:36,720 of the DPS and tanks along with it. 1004 00:58:36,720 --> 00:58:38,320 OK, Yeah. Exactly. 1005 00:58:40,200 --> 00:58:44,880 OK, well honestly this is being an amazing talk and now I'm 1006 00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:46,520 looking at it. We're at the hour. 1007 00:58:46,520 --> 00:58:51,080 So did I say 45 minutes when I initially started this man? 1008 00:58:51,640 --> 00:58:53,080 Eventually. I don't even know. 1009 00:58:54,520 --> 00:58:56,640 But this has been an amazing conversation. 1010 00:58:57,320 --> 00:59:00,720 When people want to find you and your stuff, where can they find 1011 00:59:00,720 --> 00:59:04,520 you? Yeah, I mean, I mostly talk 1012 00:59:04,520 --> 00:59:07,200 through discord to people. I'm in peak of serenity super 1013 00:59:07,200 --> 00:59:10,320 duper often. I'm in their swirl, always known 1014 00:59:10,320 --> 00:59:15,040 as swirl pretty much everywhere I stream on Twitch lol. 1015 00:59:15,240 --> 00:59:18,960 Twirl on Twitch don't really do that much right now, just mostly 1016 00:59:18,960 --> 00:59:23,200 Prague stuff, key stuff when I'm actually doing that of odds on 1017 00:59:23,200 --> 00:59:26,520 swirl streams on YouTube. That's pretty much it. 1018 00:59:26,520 --> 00:59:30,840 If you got a question feel free to pop in to peek and at me. 1019 00:59:30,920 --> 00:59:35,680 Always down to to help. That's awesome. 1020 00:59:35,680 --> 00:59:41,120 Thank you so much and hopefully good things coming for months 1021 00:59:41,120 --> 00:59:46,640 and for the raid frames and we will see you guys all in 1022 00:59:46,640 --> 00:59:48,840 midnight. Until next time, may all your 1023 00:59:48,840 --> 00:59:49,640 hits be grits.