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The biggest take away from this 
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Manny, you're burying the lead. 
Ian listens to the show. 

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Ian is Fasdev. 
Victory for the Forsaken. 

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For Lauderon for the Karen tour.
For. 

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Pandaria. 
For calendar to. 

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The burning region for Gilnaeus 
or has not done for the Lich 

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King for the Sindori. 
For the alliance. 

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For the Horde, for Azeroth. 
Hello everybody, and welcome to 

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yet another episode of For 
Azeroth. 

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I am one of your hosts, Manny 
AKA the Truvan. 

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Manny and I am joined by the 
lovely Lex. 

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Lex, how are you and how's the 
World of Warcraft treating you 

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this week? 
Manny, I am great. 

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We are getting a cold front 
coming in, which is making me 

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very happy because I'm a cold 
weather girl. 

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So the next week is all going to
be mid to low 70s. 

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I am on the moon, I am flying 
high. 

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This is the best thing that's 
ever happened to me. 

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And the World of Warcraft is 
treating me well too. 

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I am actually still doing some 
mythic plus. 

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My team is hoping to do at least
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get the cute little, the cute 
little, I think you like a 

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banner. 
Yeah, fun little stuff. 

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So I'm getting back on Havoc 
Demon Hunter enough to do a 

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couple 10s because we do already
have healers and so we figured 

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it would make the most sense for
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breaking. 
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I'm enjoying doing Mythic Plus 
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Mythic Plus. 
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Very nice, Very nice. 
And also joining us is the 

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sensational Sean. 
Sean, how are you? 

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Not great, Manny. 
It's been a hell of a week. 

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House issues up and down. 
Property taxes in the island of 

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Prince Edward are crazy. 
Yeah, but other than that, I'm 

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healthy. 
I have my dog. 

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I have my loved ones. 
I have these two great people to

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talk to you. 
I just realized you always give 

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us an adjective. 
The lovely Lex. 

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The loquacious Lex, the 
sensational shot. 

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Well, we never have an 
opportunity to give one to you. 

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There's no marvelous Manny, you 
know. 

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Yeah, because I'm introducing. 
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

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I don't like that. 
I think you should introduce 

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yourself as the terrific true 
villain Manny or the marvelous 

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Manuel T villain. 
True villain, sort of a already 

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a qualifier. 
I know this is cliche, but I 

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think we should lean into the 
Manny, the myth, the legend. 

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I think that's perfect. 
I think that's what we I'm sure 

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you've heard that every single 
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It's not it's not the not the 
first time I've heard it. 

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I've had I've had many names 
over the years, as it were. 

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But we're here to talk about the
World of Warcraft. 

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We are back, the three of us. 
We did a special that is out 

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there for the patrons where we 
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everybody's been talking about 
the lore and everything that 

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happened with the release of 
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bit last week. 
And this week we're back and we 

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are talking about a number of 
things, including a 

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clarification of that lore. 
So senior quest designer Keith 

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Riley went on to X to clarify 
some misconceptions about last 

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week's lore debate. 
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the controversy depicts the in 
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And the thread goes on to point 
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and air, while they can have 
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supposed to have a general 
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But this is the hair in ours 
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So he concludes that this was 
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This is not Blizzard saying that
this is how it is and there's no

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other way. 
So people can drop their 

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pitchforks and we can get some 
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Twitterverse, as it were. 
Lex, does this. 

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Does this help put your heart at
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Yeah, well, I'm my heart's not 
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because didn't people lose their
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Newser or whoever it was said 
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Which, to be fair, as somebody 
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understand a little bit of the 
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boys are expensive. 
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the the the World of Warcraft 
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lore we're getting is not 
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think it's a good way to tell a 
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You don't know who's necessarily
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You don't know who you can trust
beyond what the characters know.

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Sometimes you do know other 
stuff because you spent $50 on a

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book that's basically a World of
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have some degree of background 
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don't have. 
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does involve some degree of 
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perspective shift and to give 
information that only some 

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people have or that nobody has. 
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versus everyone is just play 
acting and has the entire went 

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to World of Warcraft high school
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happened in the World of 
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their life with full knowledge 
and and know nothing to 

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discover. 
So I'm happy. 

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You're happy generally. 
OK, John, are you going to throw

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out and burn your codexes, your 
compendiums, or are you somewhat

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better with this new 
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I actually do think the 
Chronicles not being a true 

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telling is a mistake. 
I stopped. 

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I bought. 
I stopped buying them when that 

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announcement came out. 
I have. 

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I owned the first one and then 
didn't buy any others after that

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announcement. 
They should be a true telling in

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my opinion. 
In my but in game, everything is

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from the point of view of 
whoever is telling you that 

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story. 
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any of the quest text in the 
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you would have known that 
everything was coming from the 

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Harendar point of view. 
And that doesn't have their own 

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point of view. 
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questing in Harendar when 
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have learned a lot of the same 
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All of it. 
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Twitter go crazy over this piece
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that we've heard contradicted 
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And they were all like, oh, 
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expansion in expansion. 
And it's like, it's very 

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confusing that yeah, I don't 
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I guess the strange part for me 
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that they think everybody should
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elves gained from trolls, that, 
you know, dark elves, dark 

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trolls don't evolve with it. 
Everybody should know this when 

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I I mean, I would put a high 
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are making those statements who 
don't know what's happening one 

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block over in their own home in 
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You know what I mean? 
Like to say that this is just 

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knowledge everybody should have 
in a plant on a planet where you

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can't really tell me how the 
pyramids were built is crazy to 

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me. 
It's crazy that, you know, 

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that's they, they expect these 
things that that just aren't 

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possible. 
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sometimes feel like people get 
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story. 
People decided they were angry 

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at some point, however many 
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It doesn't matter what happens, 
they're just going to be. 

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Angry Sean, can I push you a 
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tape? 
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it's a little relevant. 
So I when I first heard it, I 

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was kind of in agreement, right?
I'm spending all this money on 

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these books that you claim Mouth
of God and then now all of a 

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sudden you're saying actually 
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I do actually think, though, 
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the Herrin ear quest maybe 
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because I don't know that the 
World of Warcraft community as a

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whole would be able to to 
tolerate there being something, 

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especially something big that 
they know that the game is not 

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willing to admit. 
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I'm steel manning a little bit 
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decided to make the chronicles 
not mouth of God is they wanted 

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the ability to wreck on it, 
right. 

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They wanted the ability to say, 
Oh, that was just what the 

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Titans thought. 
So I understand that I'm I'm 

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giving them a little bit more 
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But I do also kind of understand
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the board developers maybe would
feel like if we're going to tell

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somebody, we need this to be 
something that also is known in 

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game. 
Otherwise they're going to freak

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out every single time something 
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And they're like, but use that 
in Chronicles that it's 

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different, right? 
OK, I I can see that. 

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I can conceive a little. 
I just find it hard to believe 

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that the Titans would lie to us.
That's true. 

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Why would they deceive us like 
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If I know anything, it's books 
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Depictions in real life are 
always factual and the true 

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accounting of what happened. 
No slant. 

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They never have to make newer 
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It's history, it's all we all 
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perfectly and there's no debate 
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Are they retconning the old? 
Testament. 

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What's happening? 
I just imagined that 

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conversation happened. 
There was no Twitter back then, 

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right? 
So it was just like around the 

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you said this. 
Was mouth of God that's. 

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Right, that's right. 
Oh, now they're reckoning the 

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old man. 
I wish I could have been there 

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for that one. 
I think they should. 

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I think we should if I had a 
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to give them X just so that we 
could see these conversations 

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happen in real time. 
I think human history has not 

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had enough people debating with 
strangers. 

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That's my take. 
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So it takes, you know, that one 
I could sign on. 

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I'm 100% behind that. 
One So from this, what do you 

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guys feel is closest to the 
truth or what do you feel is the

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truth for the genealogy of the 
troll, the trolls, the owls, the

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harneer? 
There was a race before, like I 

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think they're all, I think they 
are all related. 

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They all descend from 1 
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We don't know what that is. 
There's a book with full gene 

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where he's like, hey, we don't 
know what we were called before.

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We were called trolls And I, I 
do believe that they are, are 

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all on the same tree. 
I don't know that the ordering 

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necessarily is like, you know, 
Oh no, it was Imani and then it 

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was dark spear and then it was, 
you know, it's just they're all 

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on the same tree somewhere along
the line. 

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You know, the hair and ear sort 
of line up with what we know of 

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dark trolls already. 
So and we call them dark, but 

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maybe they don't call themselves
dark trolls, You know what I 

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mean? 
I I'm certain there are real 

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world examples of people who 
call themselves one thing who 

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then got called something else 
by other people later on. 

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You know what I mean? 
And it's like. 

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Hi Elf Cinderi. 
Yeah, yeah, exactly. 

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Yeah, there's one that was a 
good one. 

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Yeah. 
So I, I think they're all 

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related and it's just somewhere 
along the line. 

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Like I said, the hair and ear 
sound a lot like the description

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we got of dark trolls. 
They stayed out of the site. 

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They stayed of the site. 
They live in the caves a lot. 

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The Titans weren't super aware 
of them and then some of them 

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became a night olives, some of 
them became some of them stayed 

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and, you know became whatever. 
So somewhere around there. 

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But I I mean, ultimately it 
doesn't doesn't matter like the 

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do we need to know like does it?
Is it super important to the in 

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game universe that the young 
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Does that? 
Is that really affecting 

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anybody's day-to-day gameplay? 
I. 

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Don't think it affects gameplay,
but I think it does in intrigue 

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people, like when we find out 
that the dwarves came from the 

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earth and when we discover the 
flesh of the curse of flesh, 

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when we come across the Valk 
here and the like proto humans. 

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And that that like context to 
the world is what these lore 

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people love, right? 
What they go nuts about, what 

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they fight over on Twitter 
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So there's definitely engagement
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We started by just conceding 
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That's true, that's true. 
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websites residing lore expert 
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didn't exist and then somebody 
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book completely contradicting 
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response was I never actually 
read that book. 

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OK. 
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We can have gaps. 
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books. 
I don't know what this is. 

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hoping from this is that maybe 
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something about this is more of 
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than just like, yeah, we needed 
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you on your way to the Isle of 
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Like it would be a good way of, 
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seed that they're planting. 
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we were starting the World Soul 
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to plant seeds that would come 
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I'm hoping that this is a way of
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they, I don't know, have a virus
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and inherent or but then not the
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Right? 
Something like that. 

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that, I think that would be be 
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scientifically, it's not really 
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whole storyline is. 
Because the hair and air are not

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the same as they were back then.
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descended from chimpanzees, 
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longer existent ancestor, right,
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different things. 
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patrons. 
I think I made this exact same 

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point on the Patreon episode. 
So you're getting less content 

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now, But I, I, yeah. 
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mean, to be fair also, it's not 
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you stay in the dark and that 
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into something else. 
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they're doing this with, you 
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on staff being like. 
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divert? 
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original ancestor razor. 
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Lex that we live in a world 
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We had people getting pulled out
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thousands of years ago. 
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existing isn't the same as in 
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genealogy would have split and 
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from that point until now has 
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with the world in in different 
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the same amount of time. 
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Equally different. 
Equally, you're looking at 2 

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points that forked from the same
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original branch. 
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There's there's not an original 
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consistently. 
There might again again, I don't

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know that this is an argument 
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So it's possible that there is 
right. 

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It's possible that in Blizzard's
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original and these are the ones 
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were the original ancestor race.
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also like, you know, I have AI 
have a bachelors of arts, right?

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So I'm sure I'm also screwing 
this up real bad and somebody 

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who has a higher level degree is
in our comments right now being 

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like, that's also not how 
evolution works, but big 

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understanding. 
Yeah, no, I think that there's a

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lot there. 
There's the like, what if some 

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of the Urban had like escaped 
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had continued to be influenced 
by as we're often so we find 

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that faction later on. 
I I just want the Urban to be 

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relevant again. 
They they got kicked out the 

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back door. 
I love I love these little trees

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of science fiction and fantasy 
of like lore and Ware could go, 

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but I'm hoping that the the 
people who were screaming retcon

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are a lot calmer now. 
Spoiler they're not. 

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OK, well let's let's go to 
something less rage inducing. 

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Sean, do you want to take over 
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dungeon testing? 
Yeah, for sure. 

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Let me quickly turn to our show 
notes Google, if you're 

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listening dark mode, for the 
love of all it is holy, give us 

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for those of you enjoying the 
first video format of the show 

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on Spotify, I just want you to 
watch my face patch notes show 

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notes. 
You won't make fun of me for 

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being so white, it's just 
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Yeah, All right, you can. 
You can put all those criticisms

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towards me from now on. 
OK, sorry, Season 2 dungeon 

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testing continues. 
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feedback provided over the first
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and they made many of the 
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for, including increased 
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Machimba and the Golden Serpent 
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As well, they continue to tweak 
the final boss and Seth Realists

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to make it more engaging and 
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coordination, even though it has
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the changes made to it. 
All of the dungeons are 

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available for testing in Mythic 
Plus this week. 

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Definitely recommend jumping in.
Those are just some highlights. 

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There were a ton of changes made
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dungeons. 
A lot of quality of life stuff. 

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They removed some of the poison 
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There was a couple dungeons 
where there was three different 

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poison dispels, so that would 
like really restrict the comps 

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you would bring to those. 
They removed one of those poison

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dispels. 
They've made Zoljian a better 

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fight in Ultra Fangs. 
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complexity and engagement in the
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They were just, they felt like 
an error from a different time. 

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It was nothing was happening. 
It was very slow paced. 

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And a couple other fights in 
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fights, they did the same. 
They adjusted timings so things 

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are better. 
The Desire fight, which has a 

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lot or had a lot of swirls and a
lot of overlapping swirls, was 

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adjusted so there's less overlap
there and the pacing of that is 

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a little better. 
It's a really. 

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Good sign to see them moving so 
quickly and so assertively to 

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make changes. 
A lot of these, this feedback 

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was given like last week and 
changes implemented this week. 

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I'm very hopeful for the next 
season of Mythic Plus. 

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Lex as a new Mythic Plus 
enjoyer, as somebody who's just 

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like really sinking her teeth 
into it and playing for fun, How

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do you feel knowing Blizzard's 
got such a heavy finger on the 

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scale? 
And are you excited about more 

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complex fights in dungeons? 
Yes, so. 

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First of all, one thing I will 
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you are interested in this 
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These are some of the longest 
notes I've seen Blizzard publish

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right? 
This looks like a major like a 

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.5 patch notes. 
So I, I, they, they're doing a 

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lot. 
It's very clear that they are 

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working really, really hard and 
very thoughtful about what 

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they're doing and listening to 
feedback, which I know has been 

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one of our complaints recently, 
is you give feedback and it kind

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of goes nowhere. 
So it's good to know that they 

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are listening. 
I am excited for more complex 

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fights. 
I think one thing that I learned

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from my, from this season that 
made things a lot better was I 

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started having fun once I did a 
full run through of every single

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mythic plus dungeon with people 
who could kind of help walk me 

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through it. 
And once I feel like I know the 

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fight, I feel so much more 
confident going in and just 

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doing. 
Now I'm pugging and I know 

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something I'll screw up 
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But in general I know that I 
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I'm not overly scared. 
So I intend to do hopefully a 

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few full clears very early 
season. 

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As in full, full dungeon 
rotations early season. 

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So I can then you know, one of 
my big issues with mythic plus 

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is that I play at different 
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So pugging is kind of a 
necessity. 

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And if I felt more comfortable 
with that, I think that would be

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a lot more able to play mythic 
plus, Although this is not the 

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first time I've had a hypothesis
as well. 

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Maybe play more mythic plus. 
So we'll, you know, stay tuned, 

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kids. 
But anyway, the point is, I am 

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excited for getting a chance to 
see more complex fights to jump 

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in a really early in the season 
and to be hopefully part of the 

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earlier folks learning things 
and internalizing how to play 

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and what to do and what our 
routes are and everything. 

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And I am feeling less 
intimidated by Mythic Plus this 

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season, so I am not scared of 
the idea that there might be 

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more complex fights. 
Very cool, very cool. 

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Manny, are you excited about 
these changes? 

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Have you had a chance to see any
dungeons on PTRI? 

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Know sometimes you jump in 
there. 

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I haven't jumped in myself a I'm
happy to say that the burnout 

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that I was experiencing, we're 
we're past that now I'm back in,

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but I've been playing live in 
order to do that, trying to 

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catch up on a number of things 
that I just sort of abandoned 

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priorities that I abandoned 
because I want to get that done 

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before this hits live. 
So I don't think I'm going to be

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much on the PT. 
But what I'm really excited 

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about and what I would like to 
ask you is with these new 

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dungeons, they've been talking 
about having more of the 

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responsibility be with the DPS 
priority targeting or other 

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effects that instead of being a 
healer problem, reduce your 

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damage or something, or heal up 
the mob so that you have to 

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again, burn that health down. 
So with these changes, 

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especially with the dungeons 
that are coming back, Sean, I'm 

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asking, have you seen anything 
that has put that responsibility

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on the DPS? 
What are the changes like that 

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have made this like less of a 
all the stress on the tank and 

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healer so. 
Specifically, the last boss and 

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Temple of Ecethralis there are 
the it's changed. 

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It's a boss that you want to 
heal, but there are two orbs 

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that's bonding. 
They had Life coalescence or 

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something like that. 
They're these purple orbs and a 

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blue arrow appears above them. 
When you touch them, there's a 

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small explosion and you have a 
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40 seconds. 
That reduces your healing 

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received by 40% and your healing
done by 40%. 

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Now in a fight where the goal is
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middle, this obviously isn't 
something you want the healer 

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doing. 
O it is secifically on there are

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two orbs that sawn each cycle of
the phase and each orb has to be

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touched twice. 
So all three DPS and the tank 

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each have to take a stack of 
this. 

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So that is one spot where it is 
on the the DPS to do this more. 

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I haven't noticed as much stuff 
like where you miss a kick and 

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now you have a deep damage done 
debuff or things like that. 

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But admittedly I'm tanking these
keys. 

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So if a if a kick gets missed 
and it hit somebody else, I 

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don't really know what's 
happening to them. 

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I haven't gone through the logs 
yet, but I would like to see 

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some of that, that it's not just
Mist Kick is a kill, but like 

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Mist kick is, you're suddenly 
doing less damage. 

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Yeah. 
And I haven't, I haven't, I 

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haven't seen that. 
But the Temple of Ceteris, that 

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fight. 
And then there's also the 

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increase. 
There's these third boss that 

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these pillars spawn and shoot 
beams into the Boston power. 

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Those have to be soaked as well.
They added an extra pillar so 

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that theoretically all three DPS
would each would soak a pillar 

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in there to keep that going. 
So there is some happening in 

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the reworks, but I would 
definitely like to see more. 

451
00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:40,480
I just I think the biggest 
problem is it's easy to look at 

452
00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:42,040
bosses, right because there's a 
dungeon journal. 

453
00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:43,440
We can tell what the boss 
mechanics are. 

454
00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:45,360
We can tell what every spell 
does and what the impact of them

455
00:23:45,360 --> 00:23:50,200
are. 
There is nothing in game that's 

456
00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:53,680
bass Blizzard that does that for
any of the trash packs, any of 

457
00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:56,120
the mini bosses. 
So like you're going in 

458
00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:59,600
completely blind and if you 
don't have a tool like MDT, 

459
00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:02,280
which isn't field load on the 
PTR or if you don't take the 

460
00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:07,240
time to go and physically look 
up each enemy in on, you know, 

461
00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:10,400
popular fan sites like Wowhead, 
you just don't know what's 

462
00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:12,520
happening in the dungeon with 
the, with this trash. 

463
00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:16,200
If you're not like actively 
running it, logging it and then 

464
00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:17,800
going back through and reading 
the logs. 

465
00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:23,440
We I, I think we need a dungeon 
journal for the trap. 

466
00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:24,920
Like there has to be something 
right? 

467
00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:27,320
Like, I don't, I guess players 
are just supposed to learn by 

468
00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:31,760
trial and error, but that can be
really intimidating. 

469
00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:35,800
Not a lot of people want to take
the time to do homework on a 

470
00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:37,480
dungeon to find out what is 
hurting. 

471
00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:39,960
You know they're going to go. 
That's why Dungeon Guide videos 

472
00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:43,480
are so wildly popular at the 
beginning of the season, because

473
00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:44,960
they're answering this question 
that people have I. 

474
00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:51,840
Do think mythic plus is, is an 
interesting situation where it 

475
00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:54,120
is still treated like the 
bosses. 

476
00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:57,440
It it's, you know, raid is just 
a race to the boss, right? 

477
00:24:57,480 --> 00:25:00,640
Trash maybe does something kind 
of silly, but it's mostly just 

478
00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:02,240
goofing around with your 
buddies. 

479
00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:05,640
It does not matter. 
And it's really just boss after 

480
00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:08,600
boss after boss. 
And as a Raider moving into 

481
00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:11,480
mythic plus, that's always a a 
thing that I have to kind of 

482
00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:13,680
switch my brain around. 
I needed one of my healer 

483
00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:16,040
friends, my my priest friends to
tell me that I needed to start 

484
00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:19,440
using cooldowns on trash because
of course I'm not using a healer

485
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:21,760
cooldown on trash, right? 
That's crazy. 

486
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:24,920
But in mythic class, I mean 
trash is a major part of the 

487
00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:27,920
timer and the timer is the only 
thing that matters. 

488
00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:29,800
You have to be pushing through 
as fast as possible. 

489
00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:32,000
So I think I agree. 
I think that the dungeon journal

490
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:38,800
is set up currently as though it
was more raid like and there's 

491
00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:42,840
less but it's not right. 
Mythic plus is not small mini 

492
00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:44,920
raid. 
Mythic plus is mythic plus. 

493
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:47,840
And I do agree, I think that 
major trash mechanics do need to

494
00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:52,840
be called out. 
I've found that people don't use

495
00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:57,280
the dungeon journal even like if
they don't have the the boss 

496
00:25:57,280 --> 00:26:00,160
guide or something. 
Like when you there are the 

497
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:05,440
people who will go on to the 
PTR, test it, generate the stuff

498
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:09,960
that then goes on to the videos 
like tactics will put out stuff,

499
00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:14,240
Cassette will put out the stuff,
Radar IO of course put that puts

500
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:17,440
out all these videos. 
There are the people who will 

501
00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:22,240
look at those videos before it's
released, all of that, and put 

502
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:24,480
that to the team. 
They're the people on the team 

503
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:26,800
who will have walked, looked at 
a bunch of videos and be like, 

504
00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:30,400
OK, which one are you following?
There are people on the team who

505
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:33,440
will be like, what? 
Why aren't you telling me what I

506
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:35,360
need to do? 
What's going on? 

507
00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:39,240
And there are the people on the 
team that'll be like, I want to 

508
00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:41,600
keep my head down and don't die.
Nothing's going to happen. 

509
00:26:42,120 --> 00:26:47,600
And at no point are any of those
people consulting the Dungeon 

510
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:51,400
Journal. 
And that to be is like something

511
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:54,960
that Blizzard needs to look at. 
We were talking about it back at

512
00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:59,000
the beginning of the expansion. 
It would be great if I'm looking

513
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:02,120
at that dungeon journal and I 
go, oh, big tank Buster, that's 

514
00:27:02,120 --> 00:27:04,280
scary. 
Let me click on that so I can 

515
00:27:04,360 --> 00:27:07,280
add that to what's up, an 
improvement to the dungeon 

516
00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:09,040
journal. 
And please, fast dev, I don't 

517
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:12,920
put out much stuff. 
The Dungeon Journal could be so 

518
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:18,640
much better and incorporated 
into the game along with things 

519
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:20,840
that you're already putting in 
the game like the cooldown 

520
00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:23,720
manager, like something like MDT
where it's like here's the 

521
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:26,440
dungeon map. 
I can put this map and put that 

522
00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:29,840
glow around the packs that I 
want to do instead of the pre 

523
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:32,040
designed ones. 
We've we've come up with a 

524
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:35,640
number of ideas off the top of 
our heads and we're three 

525
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:39,240
people. 
You guys got an entire team of 

526
00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:43,120
talented individuals as well as 
all a feedback from all these 

527
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:44,760
different people. 
I think that it should be a 

528
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:47,640
project that they they put on 
because the Dungeon Journal is a

529
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:51,920
underutilized and severely 
lacking part of the game. 

530
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:54,440
I. 
I will say we utilize the 

531
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:57,280
dungeon journal in raid on a 
like in the minute, like, wait, 

532
00:27:57,280 --> 00:27:58,840
what's killing us? 
We don't really understand why 

533
00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:01,920
we're dying and it is often hard
to parse. 

534
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:04,800
There are very often times when 
we're in voice and we're like, 

535
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:08,040
wait, is it this? 
But if that spell, I think 

536
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:10,440
that's from this mechanic and 
but it says over here. 

537
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:14,520
So I I think that there, there 
is an opportunity for clarity 

538
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:16,600
because even when you do use it,
you don't. 

539
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:19,320
Even look at the details and be 
like what was the fatal event? 

540
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:21,160
OK, let me click on on that and 
see what it is. 

541
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:23,440
Hear me out. 
One cohesive unit. 

542
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:26,920
I can go to my damage meter, I 
can see what killed me, I can 

543
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:29,920
click the ability and it opens 
the dungeon journal and shows me

544
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:32,680
what killed me, and I can read 
the actual description from it. 

545
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:36,320
I obviously love the idea of 
adding, you know, announcements 

546
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:38,840
or highlight, hey, highlight 
this cast for me right from the 

547
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:40,880
dungeon journal, being able to 
sync all that in. 

548
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:43,360
That's a free idea, Fasdev, 
We're giving that to you for 

549
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:45,880
free. 
I would love that that I like 

550
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:48,400
that you guys use the dungeon 
journal likes we do as well. 

551
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:51,000
If if things are happening, 
tanks especially, we'll go in 

552
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:53,360
and have a look, say, hey, what 
can I ignore here? 

553
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:54,280
Oh, all of it. 
OK. 

554
00:28:57,160 --> 00:29:00,040
Yeah. 
So like I am looking forward to 

555
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:03,680
this. 
I am glad, I'm very glad that 

556
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:07,040
there's only one new dungeon 
from the Isle of Coils because 

557
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:11,040
what I've been seeing through 
like the videos, the twitch 

558
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:14,600
stuff that I've been watching, 
there's so much green and drear.

559
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:18,080
I like I'm, I'm, I'm so sick of 
it and the patch hasn't even 

560
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:19,840
come out yet. 
So I'm just like put in one 

561
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:21,800
dungeon. 
I'll stay in Silver Moon where 

562
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:24,720
I'm not going to get like 
seasonal depression in the 

563
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:27,960
middle of summer and we'll go 
from there. 

564
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:31,800
How is? 
Green, dreary Manny. 

565
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:35,400
No, it's it's. 
It's neon green and grey 

566
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:37,880
depression. 
Yeah, there's. 

567
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:41,520
A lot of like dark brown, green 
and the neon. 

568
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:45,680
It is a lot of Do you ever play?
There's a game called Dark Souls

569
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:48,280
made by Manny watched. 
Me play that day. 

570
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:49,920
Have you played Dark? 
Do you remember there's a 

571
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:52,160
section in Dark Souls called 
Blight Town? 

572
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:55,320
Was this? 
Within the first like before the

573
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:59,120
first, she did not get. 
Far no it's not no, no that 

574
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:02,680
that's deep into the game it's. 
Blight down. 

575
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:05,080
It was like they toned 
everything was dark. 

576
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:06,600
It was really hard to see. 
It was a swamp. 

577
00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:10,200
It's it was it was awful, but it
evoked in you a sense of just 

578
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:13,560
like this is unpleasant and I 
don't want to be here. 

579
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:19,240
And all of the it's like it's 
all green, it's all overgrown. 

580
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:23,840
It's all very much like you can 
almost smell the zone, you know,

581
00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:25,600
pictures of. 
This dungeon and they're 

582
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:28,440
beautiful. 
What is wrong with you guys? 

583
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:33,440
Watch it the get it in motion. 
Play through it like there are 

584
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:35,960
some there are some great 
picturesque thing things that 

585
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:38,840
you're going to completely skip 
as the enemy beats the crap out 

586
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:43,160
of you and your tank. 
But like, just the general feel 

587
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:48,400
of it is like I, I never thought
the mall was that bad watching 

588
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:51,240
this. 
I'm just like, man, I'm I'm not 

589
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:53,640
going to enjoy this. 
I'm an ex. 

590
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:56,160
Undead role player I can get 
behind a little a little 

591
00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:57,680
plaguey, a little messed up a 
little. 

592
00:30:57,680 --> 00:30:59,280
I like the. 
Undercity. 

593
00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:03,480
I I I got to watch a video 
because I think this looks fun, 

594
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:08,120
OK. 
Anyways, yeah, like looking 

595
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:10,320
forward to this. 
The dungeons are looking good. 

596
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:13,280
I am excited. 
Between all the changes that 

597
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:17,760
they've been making to the 
classes, the tear sets and of 

598
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:20,840
course, of course the dungeons 
themselves, it looks like this 

599
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:25,120
season 2 is going to be even 
better than season 1. 

600
00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:27,720
And the fact that like season 1 
was feared is going to be the 

601
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:29,440
worst season. 
And now, Sean, you're going into

602
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:32,760
this being like, this is good. 
Only up from there. 

603
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:35,240
Hopefully this stuff some sort 
of weird inverse and we end up 

604
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:38,360
falling flat on our face. 
That would be horrible. 

605
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:42,000
But yeah. 
Before we go into the next part,

606
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:44,480
though, Sean, would you like to 
thank our patrons? 

607
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:48,720
Let me put on my sunglasses. 
It's so. 

608
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:51,360
Bright. 
It's so bright. 

609
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:53,080
What are? 
You going to find a half a. 

610
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:55,200
Screen so you don't have Oh my 
God, it's. 

611
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:58,240
So it's like staring into the 
sun. 

612
00:31:58,240 --> 00:31:58,680
Hold on. 
I know. 

613
00:31:58,680 --> 00:31:59,440
Here it is. 
I found it. 

614
00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:01,640
I found it. 
This is all staying in the show,

615
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:02,880
people. 
This is for free. 

616
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:05,120
You got to come watch the video 
to see it. 

617
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:06,880
Please. 
You don't have to watch the 

618
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:09,600
whole video, just jump to this 
point in the video. 

619
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:14,600
It's so bright. 
But on that note, you know what 

620
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:17,760
else is bright? 
Our our love for the Patrons. 

621
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:20,520
I want to give a special thanks 
to Rack and all of our Patrons 

622
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:22,680
for Azeroth. 
We'll always be free, but if you

623
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:25,120
enjoy the content we produce, 
you could consider cludging to 

624
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:30,040
our Patreon at patreon.com/F AZ.
You get your own special patron 

625
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:36,080
tag in our Discord where we 
sometimes talk about things that

626
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:37,280
we don't talk about in other 
channels. 

627
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:40,080
I don't really have a reason for
why things go on the patron 

628
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:41,800
channel and why they don't go 
over there because it's never 

629
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:45,040
like spicy takes or things like 
hey, here's an exclusive on 

630
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:47,000
something. 
It's always just like I didn't 

631
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:50,360
like this quest or hey, this is 
a really cool trinket. 

632
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:52,440
It's. 
I'm really selling. 

633
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:55,440
It I'm really selling it, there 
are. 

634
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:58,120
Some exclusive conversations 
that happen in the patron 

635
00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:00,920
channel on the Discord, which is
which is nice. 

636
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:04,880
Sean also will put forward 
anything that we're putting out 

637
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:07,760
to the patrons in that Channel 
so you guys will know about it. 

638
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:11,120
Just like we talked about with 
the lore conversation with the 

639
00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:13,360
early access episodes that we've
been putting out as well. 

640
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:16,560
So there's more reasons than 
ever to become a patron, 

641
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:21,920
including with the new video 
feeds and the patron hangout 

642
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:23,800
that we're that we're trying to 
plan it. 

643
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:27,160
So make sure you pay attention 
to that. 

644
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:30,600
Bonus, that lore episode. 
You get to find out which one of

645
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:33,000
the three of us has a weird ear 
fetish. 

646
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:36,200
You'll never guess who. 
Yeah, we'll leave. 

647
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:38,680
We'll leave that as something 
for them to figure out. 

648
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:46,320
Anyways, we have of course APC 
Games N interview. 

649
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:50,400
Lauren Bergen of PC Games N sat 
down with Game Director. 

650
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:54,720
Ian has a coasters himself to 
chat about the state of World of

651
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:58,160
Warcraft. 
Now this interview was pretty 

652
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:01,000
high level if they weren't 
getting into this nitty gritty, 

653
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:03,680
but there were some cool 
takeaways from this. 

654
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:08,760
We had in iterating that the 
story of Mod Wow is broadening 

655
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:12,920
that what they are offering is 
for different audiences. 

656
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:17,440
There was a conversation about 
how the team is was fixing bugs 

657
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:20,520
too close to release and that's 
how we got the like pretty 

658
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:24,440
disastrous patches where they 
have to take housing down for a 

659
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:27,639
whole day. 
That was related to a fix that 

660
00:34:27,639 --> 00:34:31,679
they had done to the elevator in
Siege Morgamar, which then 

661
00:34:32,159 --> 00:34:35,440
caused an issue in housing. 
And so they have to shut that 

662
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:38,280
down, keep everybody out of 
their houses because it would 

663
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:42,360
save a game breaking bug. 
Not fully game breaking, but 

664
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:45,960
would like take all of your wall
hangings and all of your ceiling

665
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:49,320
hangings and slam them down to 
the floor and save it like that.

666
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:52,520
So they have to keep people out 
of their homes for a bit, but 

667
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:56,840
they're changing their process 
so it won't be that bad that 

668
00:34:57,120 --> 00:35:01,360
they will put release candidates
out and then only deal with 

669
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:06,000
things in a way to not 'cause 
these bugs to occur so late in 

670
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:09,360
the process. 
Which is great to say. 

671
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:13,440
And with the latest release it 
seems that they have hit that. 

672
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:16,200
I'm looking for it to become a 
pattern and then I will be 

673
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:19,720
reassured. 
I think the biggest take away 

674
00:35:19,720 --> 00:35:21,640
from this interview, Manny, 
you're bury in the lead. 

675
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:24,760
Ian listens to the show. 
Ian is fast. 

676
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:27,480
Dev, where did you? 
Pull this that was in. 

677
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:31,400
In the interview, he says I'm I 
listened to you for Azeroth and 

678
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:32,880
they always are talking about 
me. 

679
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:36,440
They're like fast dev, fast dev 
and they don't realize it's me. 

680
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:38,000
Ian, how's the cost is? 
Yeah. 

681
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:42,880
But I he so he wasn't that 
direct, but he did say that 

682
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,560
there are loud voices in the 
community. 

683
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:50,000
Clearly us not understanding who
content is directed to and 

684
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:54,280
dismissing the content. 
If that is not proof that Ian is

685
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:58,280
fasdev, I don't know what is. 
Ian, thank you so much for 

686
00:35:58,280 --> 00:35:59,880
listening. 
We're honored. 

687
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:04,160
We're going to tone down the 
snark for the next 38 seconds 

688
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:05,440
about. 
I have. 

689
00:36:05,720 --> 00:36:08,400
Never. 
Heard Lex say that she doesn't 

690
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:10,040
know what the point of the 
content was. 

691
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:13,600
That's never something like this
ever said ever on this show. 

692
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:16,080
Benny, we know. 
Fast dev doesn't listen to me 

693
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:20,160
because I made one very 
reasonable ask that would have 

694
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:24,200
caused a beneficial situation 
for everyone and they couldn't 

695
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:26,200
delay or release one week for 
me. 

696
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:27,960
Fast dev, you and I are still in
a fight. 

697
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:29,400
I don't care that you're even 
has Acosta. 

698
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:37,480
OK, Yeah, I I do think that it 
is good to see that they are 

699
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:41,920
looking at things in a holistic 
view, that it isn't just the 

700
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:46,360
people who are loud on X or 
sitting down with like the 

701
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:49,640
popular personalities and saying
it makes no sense and everything

702
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:53,560
or like jumping on their podcast
and like just talking over 

703
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:59,960
people who like the content that
like Delves or or actually a 

704
00:36:59,960 --> 00:37:04,840
really good example, when 
Nashitol and Val came out and 

705
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:09,040
Heroic came out, I hadn't played
it. 

706
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:11,080
Sean, you were like, I don't see
the difference. 

707
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:15,360
Just go into heroic and the 
community from a lot of 

708
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:17,720
different places were saying, Oh
my goodness, this is too hard, 

709
00:37:17,720 --> 00:37:21,160
this is scary and everything. 
I personally feel that when they

710
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:24,040
clicked Heroic they completely 
ignored the part that said this 

711
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:27,200
is for three plus players. 
And so when they went in with 

712
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:31,080
their squishy, their squishy 
coffee at a relatively low item 

713
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:33,200
level, they're like why can't I 
solo anything? 

714
00:37:33,240 --> 00:37:37,360
I have been playing that content
over the last couple of weeks 

715
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:41,680
and I've been enjoying it. 
I didn't think I would like 

716
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:44,200
world content again. 
I had fallen out of doing world 

717
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:47,160
quest and such just because it 
didn't have appealed to me. 

718
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:53,240
Going in with a small band of my
friends and doing that content 

719
00:37:53,240 --> 00:37:55,880
together. 
It gives me a little bit of 

720
00:37:55,880 --> 00:38:01,680
taste of how things were in 
errors of Wow gone by when I 

721
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:05,560
couldn't just solo smash 
everything and hold my cooldowns

722
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:10,360
to like, I guess eternity. 
Like I have to be a bit more 

723
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:12,120
exacting about how I go through 
stuff. 

724
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:16,120
And I really enjoyed that. 
And so, yeah, maybe the content 

725
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:20,920
isn't for Lex with her like 390 
geared plate warrior that 

726
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:24,840
doesn't see any difference other
than I guess it takes a little 

727
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:29,920
bit more to pull everything. 
But for other people, there's a 

728
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:33,200
deaf and audience for this. 
Let's have you done any of the 

729
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:35,800
heroic world content? 
Not. 

730
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:40,920
Really, it hit at a point when I
was working on gearing rapidly 

731
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:43,160
and I could convince my team to 
run me through Mythic Plus, and 

732
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:45,320
that was just going to go so 
much faster. 

733
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:49,280
I will say in defense of the 
people who ran in and ignored 

734
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:52,480
the suggested grouping, usually 
that is a lie. 

735
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:55,320
Usually when World of Warcraft 
says this needs to be X number 

736
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:56,880
of people, it needs to be this 
or that. 

737
00:38:56,880 --> 00:39:00,000
That is not correct. 
So I'm not blown away with 

738
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:02,400
delves. 
I don't I haven't really looked 

739
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:04,240
at the item level requirements 
for a while so I don't know if 

740
00:39:04,240 --> 00:39:06,880
this is still true, but for the 
longest time the item level 

741
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:12,440
expectation was what the Dell 
dropped, which nobody is doing 

742
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:15,720
content that is the item level 
that it drops right at that 

743
00:39:15,720 --> 00:39:18,880
point it's not meaningful. 
I mean it didn't OK some people 

744
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:21,240
are but but the the point of 
contact hold on a. 

745
00:39:21,240 --> 00:39:24,480
Second, hold on a second because
I have plugged into so many 

746
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:27,680
different raves and so many 
different dungeons and everybody

747
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:31,200
demands that I'm at 390 for my 
mythic 2 plus. 

748
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:33,440
So I don't know. 
Sorry if if. 

749
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:36,400
The question is, are pugs 
unreasonable, especially for 

750
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:38,680
DPS? 
That's an entirely different 

751
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:40,760
conversation we can have, but 
when Blizzard? 

752
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:42,680
Does it now? 
We got to have issues, OK. 

753
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:46,440
Yes, yes. 
And OK, let let me be clear. 

754
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:50,400
I do not want Blizzard to act 
like the average mythic plus 

755
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:53,320
pugger. 
I'll say that with my chest 10 

756
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:55,680
toes down. 
I'm not going to put any, you 

757
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:58,320
know, asterisk on that one. 
That one I'll I'll commit to. 

758
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:01,480
OK. 
I can I can get on board with 

759
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:05,280
that, but I mean, look, I'm. 
A big proponent of world content

760
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:07,320
being harder, right? 
I think I think that world 

761
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:10,480
content should be tough. 
I think it should kill people a 

762
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:13,320
lot. 
I, I, I'm pro that I want delves

763
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:15,080
to be hard. 
I want, I've been saying for a 

764
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:18,720
long time, I want them to be 
pushing up the the numbers. 

765
00:40:18,720 --> 00:40:22,680
I, I want not everyone to be 
able to go through every level 

766
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:26,880
of delves the same way that I 
don't think every player can go 

767
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:28,440
through every level of mythic 
plus, right? 

768
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:30,560
I want that to be and I 
understand all the complications

769
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:32,720
behind it, but I think that 
would be good for the game to 

770
00:40:32,720 --> 00:40:36,120
have solo content that is 
genuinely challenging, that is 

771
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:38,400
genuinely end game. 
So yeah, I'm totally proud. 

772
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:43,280
OK. 
I mean, back in your days of our

773
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:47,360
peeing and and such, you didn't 
do much instance content. 

774
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:51,400
Would you have welcomed this 
content instead of, like, 

775
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:55,040
looking for those Ray teams that
you eventually fell into? 

776
00:40:56,720 --> 00:40:58,200
Yeah, I. 
Think, absolutely. 

777
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:00,920
I think that if I could have 
done more, I mean, frankly, I 

778
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:03,760
would have been really excited 
about follower dungeons when I 

779
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:07,200
was at our peer, right? 
Anything that let me go through 

780
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:09,720
things on my own would have been
really, really till you did. 

781
00:41:09,720 --> 00:41:11,080
One. 
Well, yeah. 

782
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:12,680
And then? 
I would have been like oh This 

783
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:15,200
is why all the mythic plussers 
hate each other. 

784
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:19,440
I didn't realize it was this 
hard to do basic content. 

785
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:22,800
I finally. 
I finally got an e-mail back 

786
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:26,080
from many reports of Krenna the 
Earth Mother, and I was told 

787
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:29,760
that they found no indication of
her violating your code of 

788
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:32,000
conduct. 
And I, well, this is obviously 

789
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:36,000
briefing, I, I. 
Have to say that I feel like the

790
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:38,920
developer sat down and be like, 
now these guys are too organized

791
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:41,120
we're going to make this like a 
real pug situation. 

792
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:44,320
Yeah, we. 
That's it. 

793
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:47,560
Like they listen AI doesn't 
exist. 

794
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:51,680
They came pretty close with 
Austin Huxworth to mimicking 

795
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:53,960
what it's like to play with an 
actual BM hunter. 

796
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:58,200
I am actually pretty convinced 
that some of those characters 

797
00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:01,800
are very. 
It is so obvious that they are 

798
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:05,880
coded for example to if they get
aggro, run away. 

799
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:09,600
Like they are coded to be very 
difficult to work with, which I 

800
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:12,360
don't fully understand. 
Like it was great for learning 

801
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:14,840
to tank, I learned how to manage
aggro much faster because of 

802
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:17,360
that. 
But I feel like the people who 

803
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:20,200
want to do follow dungeons for 
the sake of all our dungeons 

804
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:22,560
probably are not just trying to 
learn the tank. 

805
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:24,840
So maybe they run a little bit 
toward the tank, I don't know. 

806
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:28,600
I'm also not entirely convinced 
that they're not actually devs, 

807
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:33,560
that they just have a team of 
devs that just logs in and plays

808
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:37,280
for the followers and they spend
the whole time in my Sarah 

809
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:38,600
Caverns laughing. 
Watch. 

810
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:39,800
You're going to pull this back 
now. 

811
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:41,840
Lady thinks I'm a bot. 
That would be. 

812
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:47,160
Hilarious. 
I wonder if follower doesn't 

813
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:51,000
clearly not meant for me. 
I'm not the audience and such, 

814
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:55,640
but there are times where I, I 
wish certain difficulties that 

815
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:59,760
are more about the experience of
the story and getting the 

816
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:03,240
conclusion of like the zone or 
whatever happens within that 

817
00:43:03,240 --> 00:43:07,920
dungeon should be set up to be 
more of a scenario, should be 

818
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:11,040
set up to embellish more on the 
story. 

819
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:17,320
Like when you are doing a 
dungeon on normal and follower 

820
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:20,840
dungeon, there's more dialogue, 
there's more vantage points that

821
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:23,120
like you see while you're going 
through the dungeon. 

822
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:26,520
And then when you switch it to 
like mythic, mythic plus, it's 

823
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:29,240
cuts those out and you don't 
have that anymore. 

824
00:43:29,240 --> 00:43:32,160
And because that is focused on 
I'm doing timing, I'm getting 

825
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:35,000
the gear and that sort of stuff.
But I think maybe they need to 

826
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:38,720
double down on that separation. 
Discordian Kitty, who you 

827
00:43:38,720 --> 00:43:42,120
mentioned in a previous episode,
talked about the failures of 

828
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:45,840
story mode idea I may have 
hammered into her head. 

829
00:43:47,240 --> 00:43:52,800
And I dislike that raids now 
don't have those like story 

830
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:55,960
moments that happened in the 
middle of a dungeon where you're

831
00:43:55,960 --> 00:44:00,280
where it's like, oh, we're 
fighting against the general and

832
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:02,960
he's on the wrong side and this 
guy's been with us the entire 

833
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:04,440
time. 
Or the clocks. 

834
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:06,960
You're like, no, we told you we 
were going to betray you. 

835
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:10,240
Like we're going to do that. 
It's all stuffed into the final 

836
00:44:10,240 --> 00:44:14,040
boss and everything before that 
is just here's a scenario here's

837
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:16,120
moves. 
This guy showed up from nowhere.

838
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:20,040
Hi, I'm like general the third 
is like what? 

839
00:44:20,240 --> 00:44:23,840
Where did you come from? 
I. 

840
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:28,400
I do actually really think 
follower dungeons were a big 

841
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:31,840
missed opportunity. 
I think probably that is because

842
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:35,640
they did not get as much 
positive reception as Lizard was

843
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:38,920
expecting, because I think in 
early War Within there were some

844
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:41,040
signs that they were going to 
take follower dungeons a little 

845
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:44,600
bit more in the direction of a 
story mode version. 

846
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:48,880
For example, the Rookery. 
There wasn't like it was a 

847
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:51,360
little different if you were 
with your followers and the 

848
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:53,840
followers were all plot 
relevant. 

849
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:56,400
I was. 
I was actually pretty grumpy 

850
00:44:56,400 --> 00:45:01,320
during the most recent lore drop
when I did the Mayasara Taverns 

851
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:04,360
follower dungeon. 
Kind of. 

852
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:08,120
Expected that it was going to be
the people like somehow relevant

853
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:10,800
to the fact that I was supposed 
to be going through this dungeon

854
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:13,720
with these people in front of me
and it wasn't it was the same 

855
00:45:13,720 --> 00:45:16,680
freaking loser, right? 
So hey, hey. 

856
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:19,680
Captain of Garland is a lovely 
person, That's true. 

857
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:20,480
OK. 
And. 

858
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:26,200
Marity Huntswell is my main 
source for water follower fast 

859
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:28,160
dev. 
We like follower dungeons. 

860
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:31,200
I log in on a healer, I queue 
for a follower dungeon right 

861
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:35,840
away, I take my 80 little mana 
biscuits, I give Mary a hug for 

862
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:41,880
thanks, and then I leave. 
Again, I don't feel like that is

863
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:47,760
the point or the intended use of
follower dungeons, to the point 

864
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:51,400
that I wouldn't be upset if 
those mana biscuits that you 

865
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:54,800
grabbed off of the NPC that I'm 
surprised you even remember her 

866
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:57,680
name disappeared the second you 
owned out. 

867
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:01,720
Yeah, that would be awful if 
they I'd be so upset. 

868
00:46:01,720 --> 00:46:03,160
I would still go change it. 
So like. 

869
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:06,360
The the buffs, so the buffs. 
Disappear The buffs used to 

870
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:09,280
persist and people were because 
people are people they were 

871
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:11,040
using. 
They're like, oh, we need we 

872
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:13,280
need versatility buff. 
Well, let's just go get credit 

873
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:16,280
to give it to us before she 
pulls half the dungeon 

874
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:21,640
accidentally and then takes and 
then somehow taunts a boss in 

875
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:25,880
and that's just point Zenith 
taunts it and walks it into an 

876
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:29,600
area that the players can't hit.
And it's so crazy. 

877
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:33,000
It's so crazy. 
Anyway, yeah, they, they they 

878
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:36,480
spanned that dungeon was off. 
It's I was on the PTR, gang. 

879
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:37,720
I'm sorry. 
Quick aside. 

880
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:40,040
I was on the PTR. 
We were tested. 

881
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:44,280
This literally happened. 
Krenna taunted the the boss on 

882
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:48,600
the void side, the one Nykara 
maybe something, her name is 

883
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:52,800
Nice Nysara, the one that gets 
jumped by Letheri, let her 

884
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:54,920
accident in the little fight. 
She taunted it. 

885
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:59,120
Why is my healer taunting? 
She taunted it and then walked 

886
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:01,960
it off into the area that the 
players couldn't get there. 

887
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:03,480
So we just can. 
She's just standing over there 

888
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:06,400
with the boss, and we were just 
like Austin Hoxworth was like, 

889
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:07,840
yeah, I'm going to go pull 
something else because he's a 

890
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:10,400
hunter and that's what he does. 
Meredith and I were just hanging

891
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:12,240
out with Captain Garland. 
It was just like, I don't know. 

892
00:47:12,240 --> 00:47:13,640
I don't know, man. 
Like they're your friends. 

893
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:18,320
The same thing happened in 
Mayasara by by the way, where 

894
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:21,440
there's the room with all the 
dead things and you have to kill

895
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:23,000
the I. 
This is the first time I learned

896
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:26,080
you have to kill the boss in the
middle to be able to go through 

897
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:28,280
the door, because I was like, 
oh, I wonder how much of this 

898
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:30,560
room I can skip. 
I tried to guide them out of the

899
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:32,880
room. 
They all laughed and I was just 

900
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:35,720
running into that door, like, 
wait, just the goddamn. 

901
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:38,800
Had to. 
Call them back and it was 

902
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:41,080
absurd. 
So yeah, they they do have 

903
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:42,680
magical powers the players don't
have. 

904
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:46,640
So fun I think it. 
Just it costs them a little too 

905
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:53,480
much to program the version of a
hunter that is like, I don't 

906
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:57,720
know, in Nexus Point Zenith, you
could easily put in Illyria as 

907
00:47:57,720 --> 00:48:02,520
the hunter of the group, but her
abilities work differently and 

908
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:05,680
program that in seems like a 
much more of an effort than just

909
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:08,960
saying here's the set group. 
You replace one of these guys. 

910
00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:10,560
If you're DPS, you replace this 
guy. 

911
00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:11,680
If you're a tank, you replace 
this guy. 

912
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:13,360
If you're a heel, replace this 
guy. 

913
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:15,520
All the rest are said. 
So I kind of get it. 

914
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:20,520
But I also think that maybe then
these guys should be in silver 

915
00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:23,120
moon and like interacting silver
moon. 

916
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:25,120
So you're like, Oh yeah, those 
those guys are around with us 

917
00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:28,320
for that campaign and such. 
And then it seems like a great 

918
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:33,120
opportunity to build up these 
these characters as like the 

919
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:37,480
crew that's around with you, be 
like other members of a war band

920
00:48:37,720 --> 00:48:42,000
sort of thing. 
But yeah, I would love to see 

921
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:44,000
more story back into the World 
of Warcraft. 

922
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:48,040
And this interview did talk 
about the story, especially in 

923
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:52,240
12.1. 
While it might seem like a Side 

924
00:48:52,240 --> 00:48:57,280
Story at first, and clearly Ian 
has seen the criticisms to that 

925
00:48:57,280 --> 00:49:02,280
point, in reassures us that it 
ties into the overarching plot 

926
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:04,600
of the world so saga and will 
bring us in. 

927
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:10,440
So I am tentatively optimistic 
about that. 

928
00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:13,840
It does make me want to put on a
tinfoil hat and be like, oh how 

929
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:17,520
is this all going to work out? 
And there have been some cool 

930
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:20,600
videos out there. 
I know there was one by Bellular

931
00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:24,480
that was trying to like piece of
paste this all together and 

932
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:28,480
discording Kitty again has has 
been talking about different 

933
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:31,280
things. 
So I'm excited for what's to 

934
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:34,720
come. 
In general, though, do you guys 

935
00:49:34,720 --> 00:49:38,920
think this is going to be the 
next big thing or sort of 

936
00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:43,160
similar to, I don't know, 
liberation of undermine again? 

937
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:48,240
Let's start with you, Lex. 
I'll believe it when I see it 

938
00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:51,600
just because of how point ones 
almost always seem to go in 

939
00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:54,760
Blizzard writing. 
But I have said every single 

940
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:57,760
time I've been a little doomer 
and little jerky girl about this

941
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:01,320
that I think like, I want that 
to happen, right? 

942
00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:07,960
I want there to be something 
where Mallichras combines forces

943
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:10,960
with Zalitaf. 
Or like like I would love to see

944
00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:16,320
the story that's going on here 
to genuinely affect the war, the

945
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:18,360
not the war within. 
We're going to go back on an 

946
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:21,080
expansion, by the way, I would 
like to see it genuinely affect 

947
00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:23,760
the world source soul saga and 
I'd like it to be really 

948
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:27,440
meaningful story And I I I want 
these stories to feel like 

949
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:29,400
genuine 3 parter. 
So I'm hopeful. 

950
00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:31,720
I'm hopeful. 
The fact that Ian is saying it 

951
00:50:31,720 --> 00:50:34,000
means that they are genuinely 
paying attention to this and 

952
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:36,400
making sure it doesn't feel like
a a blip. 

953
00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:38,600
I'm a little bit concerned 
because the storyline feels like

954
00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:40,600
what I would write if I was 
going to write a blip storyline,

955
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:43,720
but I again, I'd love to see it.
I want to be disproven. 

956
00:50:43,720 --> 00:50:45,040
I want this to age really 
poorly. 

957
00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:46,640
I want the story to go very, 
very well. 

958
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:53,240
OK, John, on your end, where 
your hopes or where are your 

959
00:50:53,240 --> 00:50:54,760
predictions? 
I. 

960
00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:58,000
Hated liberation of undermine so
this can only be better. 

961
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:00,440
And I love Zulaman so I'm 
already leaning. 

962
00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:02,160
I'm already like, I'm, I'm in 
that camp. 

963
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:03,840
You know how sometimes you're 
like, I already know how I'm 

964
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:05,200
going to feel. 
It doesn't matter what happens. 

965
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:07,280
I'm there. 
It's like, oh, I have a date. 

966
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:09,280
I really like this person. 
No matter what, this date's 

967
00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:12,200
going to go well, you know, and 
then you accidentally eat that 

968
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:15,160
torture lettuce from Taco Bell 
and you get explosive diarrhea 

969
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:16,440
mid date. 
Doesn't matter. 

970
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:17,920
I had a good time with the 
person I like. 

971
00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:21,800
This date went well. 
Somebody saved me that great 

972
00:51:21,800 --> 00:51:23,840
analogy. 
Analogies are my thing, but 

973
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:26,240
that's where I'm at. 
I, I'm all, I already know I'm 

974
00:51:26,240 --> 00:51:28,400
going to like it. 
Even if I would like for the 

975
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:30,360
story to tie in. 
I don't want to walk away from 

976
00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:32,240
it feeling like, well, this was 
a side quest. 

977
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:36,520
And I am hopeful that they will 
be able to, you know, in it. 

978
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:38,520
It's, it's obviously something 
they've talked about, they've 

979
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:42,560
discussed and they're aware of. 
It would be foolish for him to 

980
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:45,840
specifically bring it up in an 
interview if they haven't 

981
00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:48,720
already got a plan in place to 
make it tie in Like that would 

982
00:51:48,720 --> 00:51:51,960
just be insane PR. 
That's so true. 

983
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:54,720
Sean Ian would never do 
something like say we cores 

984
00:51:54,720 --> 00:51:58,120
aren't going to go away the day 
they get announced to leave I'm.

985
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:02,160
Like I'm going to go back and 
get that clip and also get the 

986
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:03,680
clip from Sean be like, why 
would your feet? 

987
00:52:03,720 --> 00:52:06,760
Out of here, Why are you? 
I listened since I realized Ian 

988
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:08,400
is Fasdev. 
I'm going to be a lot nicer to 

989
00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:12,240
him because he's a person. 
We can't say, be nice to devs 

990
00:52:12,240 --> 00:52:16,880
and then be mean to Fasdev on 
the show that's coming. 

991
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:18,760
Fast dev because fasdev and I 
aren't in a fight. 

992
00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:21,240
But you can't because you're not
in a fight with Fasdev. 

993
00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:24,480
Because apparently Fast Enough 
takes Sean's side on things, 

994
00:52:24,720 --> 00:52:26,400
guys. 
Do you not realize how many 

995
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:28,920
times I've said I don't believe 
anything he says? 

996
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:34,240
I am such a bad person. 
It's like, I'm so sorry. 

997
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:37,160
It's like on record shopping 
like that. 

998
00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:39,960
Everything he says is 6. 
You know this is where we cut in

999
00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:43,280
the Super cut of me mentioning 
that 6 tiers in a row we got a 

1000
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:47,160
mid grade wall. 
We, we can't, we can't do a 

1001
00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:48,880
super cut. 
This show's already an hour 

1002
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:50,840
long, so we're going to be 
calling it here. 

1003
00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:52,400
No super cut. 
Yeah. 

1004
00:52:52,520 --> 00:52:54,760
Anyways, thank you all for 
listening. 

1005
00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:58,200
This is our first video episode.
We have many things coming up, 

1006
00:52:58,200 --> 00:53:01,760
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1007
00:53:02,080 --> 00:53:06,280
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1008
00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:10,680
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1009
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1010
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1011
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1012
00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:23,640
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