1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,960 At 80 you do a full world world tour of delves and do all of 2 00:00:03,960 --> 00:00:06,280 your delver colsquest but don't turn them in, you hold them. 3 00:00:06,720 --> 00:00:11,200 That gets you to 81. Then 81 to 88 you level up 4 00:00:11,200 --> 00:00:14,160 however you want. So either local stories and 5 00:00:14,160 --> 00:00:16,520 every song and soleiman because they're tightly packed together. 6 00:00:16,520 --> 00:00:22,000 Or if it's the the proper delve at shadow point you can do the 7 00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:25,080 the delve farm where you just pull all of the trash and kill 8 00:00:25,080 --> 00:00:27,720 it and then reset and do it again and again till 88. 9 00:00:28,080 --> 00:00:31,160 And then once you hit 88 you turn in your delvers call quests 10 00:00:31,480 --> 00:00:35,240 because they give a level and a bit no matter what level you 11 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:37,560 turn them in at. So if you save them for the last 12 00:00:37,800 --> 00:00:40,480 levels then it saves you a huge amount of time. 13 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:46,000 And then you would tap top off the last .8% of your sorry .8 of 14 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:48,200 your level 80% of your level with crafting. 15 00:00:48,280 --> 00:00:54,040 Yeah, first crafts victory for the Forsaken, for Lauderon for. 16 00:00:54,680 --> 00:00:57,400 The. Karen Tour for. 17 00:00:57,480 --> 00:01:01,920 Pandaria for. Calendar. 18 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:06,000 To. The burning region for Gilnaeus 19 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:14,160 has not died for the Lich King. For the Sindora, for the 20 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:19,120 Alliance, for. The Horn for Azeroth. 21 00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:26,360 Hello and welcome back to another episode of For Azeroth. 22 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:31,240 My name is Manny and I am one of your hosts and joining me from 23 00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:35,440 the Burrows of man. There's no BI. 24 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:38,120 Was going to say Burlington, but that's not. 25 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:47,320 Pennsylvania. Pennsylvania. 26 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:53,560 Coming from her palace in Pennsylvania, we have Lex Rance. 27 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:56,640 Hello Lex, How are you and how's the World of Warcraft treating 28 00:01:56,640 --> 00:02:00,040 you on this midnight launch? I am good. 29 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:01,720 The World of Warcraft is treating me well. 30 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:05,640 I missed a couple days because I was out at a concert with some 31 00:02:05,680 --> 00:02:08,919 friends, which is very fun. And then I went, came back, and 32 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:11,440 I've done almost nothing but play World of Warcraft in my 33 00:02:11,680 --> 00:02:13,840 spare time. And then I'm going to say that 34 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:16,200 I'm not actually at Max level and everyone's going to say ha 35 00:02:16,320 --> 00:02:19,440 ha ha ha, Lex, you're so slow. But really, I just don't have a 36 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:24,080 lot of spare time. I mean, the World of Warcraft 37 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:28,400 community is growing up. We, we all have, you know, jobs 38 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:32,240 and lives and such, at least at least some people. 39 00:02:33,920 --> 00:02:38,320 But others are, are complaining that the World of Warcraft is 40 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:42,400 too woke. But we'll we'll ignore them 41 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:44,760 going to an actual Warcraft player. 42 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:46,720 Let's go to Sean. Hello, Sean. 43 00:02:46,720 --> 00:02:48,560 And how's the World of Warcraft treating you? 44 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:55,400 Today what it do baby. Warcraft has been amazing fully 45 00:02:55,400 --> 00:02:59,360 immersed in early access. Unlike Lex, I have no life 46 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:02,520 outside of Azeroth so I have spent all of my time there. 47 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:07,000 My ass has now fused to my beautiful Herman Miller air on 48 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:09,360 chair. We have become one. 49 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:15,840 Dear God, Well, I'm glad. I'm glad that you guys are all 50 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:20,040 enjoying it at your pace, I guess that is. 51 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:24,200 Of course, the big news of the week is that we have now joined 52 00:03:24,200 --> 00:03:29,360 the ranks of the Army of the Light or Silver Moon or whatever 53 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:33,360 confluence thereof, and are fighting back the void in 54 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:36,040 midnight now and so. Hard ignored the void. 55 00:03:36,040 --> 00:03:39,360 Alf, he call him. Nevermind. 56 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:43,560 I won't call him Terrellian because he said the voidals, 57 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:46,840 absolutely. Who's hanging out with them? 58 00:03:46,840 --> 00:03:50,960 Some losers, probably. Listen, we don't talk about 59 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:57,720 those void tainted scum anyways, let's talk. 60 00:03:57,840 --> 00:04:00,240 You know what? Let's talk about the initial 61 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:02,360 start. We'll avoid story spoilers. 62 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:05,840 I know it's early. We are now on day two of the 63 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:09,560 official release, but. Lex hasn't finished the intro 64 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:14,600 yet. I think all three of us did get 65 00:04:14,600 --> 00:04:17,720 some time in on the early release, even if we decided to 66 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:21,440 skip it to listen to people in IRL, whatever that is. 67 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:27,920 So how did you guys enjoy the early release? 68 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:30,560 What did you do with your time? Lex, you had the shortest amount 69 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:31,520 of time. So let's start with you. 70 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:34,160 What did you do with your your time in the early release? 71 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:37,520 I did essentially nothing but leveling, which I like playing 72 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:41,000 through the the storyline, which I'm not I'm I'm almost done 73 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:42,600 with. I'm on the last third of Void 74 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:47,600 Storm, Void Spire. So we like we're almost there. 75 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:53,240 I actually was thinking it was very interesting this time how 76 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:56,680 quickly a thing that became. It was a luxury that allowed me 77 00:04:56,680 --> 00:05:00,600 to relax and not stress became kind of an obligation this time 78 00:05:00,840 --> 00:05:05,960 because I missed like a day and 1/2 of early access and I was so 79 00:05:06,160 --> 00:05:07,920 stressed. I was like, all of my friends 80 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:10,480 are gonna be so far ahead of me. I'm already such a slow player. 81 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:12,960 I'm such a slow gear. I'm gonna be so far behind. 82 00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:15,080 I need to like get on this and be pushing and pushing and 83 00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:17,240 pushing because if not, I'm not gonna be ready for raid night 84 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:18,920 because and everyone's already gonna be, you know, doing their 85 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:20,680 mythic plus. And every time I see one of my 86 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:23,360 friends do like a heroic or something, I'm like, oh God, I 87 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:24,800 knew it. I knew I've been so far ahead of 88 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:27,480 me. So I'm trying to kind of let 89 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:29,080 that go. And in fact, I did lie a little 90 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:30,120 bit at the beginning of this episode. 91 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:33,520 I did take last night off because I realized that I was 92 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:36,040 already feeling a little bit of that like stress. 93 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:37,760 If I need to get things done, I need to get things done. 94 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:42,160 And I was like, if I burn myself out on the first day of the 95 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:45,000 expansion release, we're going to have a bad time. 96 00:05:45,280 --> 00:05:47,440 So I had a nice little night. I snuggled with my dog. 97 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:51,000 I read a book, I relaxed. And then I came back in and I 98 00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:53,640 ate dinner in front of the game today because I really want to 99 00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:56,080 finish voice fire, But I'm having a lot of fun. 100 00:05:56,320 --> 00:06:01,320 I, I am, I, I, I think having that extra time to play does 101 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:04,840 mean that I, this stress would have been so much more acute if 102 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:10,160 this was, you know, I'd missed a day and it was a week and a half 103 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:13,400 before the first rate unlocks. So I do really appreciate having 104 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:15,760 that extra time to play through and and feel a little bit more 105 00:06:15,760 --> 00:06:20,080 wiggle room. That is, that's noteworthy how 106 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:28,280 quickly the the unusual benefit of early access has become sort 107 00:06:28,280 --> 00:06:31,000 of normalized and almost expected. 108 00:06:31,640 --> 00:06:34,880 Yeah, and I worry a lot about folks because it is really 109 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:39,000 expensive to get early access. And I, I hope that that anxiety 110 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:42,240 is me being insane and stupid and not a trickle down thing 111 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:44,400 that the people who don't have early access feel like they're 112 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:47,640 starting out behind. And like, to be clear, I, I 113 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:49,840 don't think anyone who's like, I don't think that if you didn't 114 00:06:49,840 --> 00:06:51,560 have early access, you'd be grinding right now because it's 115 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:52,720 not going to be super far behind. 116 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:55,480 And I would certainly never expect that of like my team or 117 00:06:55,480 --> 00:06:56,640 my friends or anything like that. 118 00:06:56,640 --> 00:07:00,160 And so I, I hope truly and genuinely that this is me being 119 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:04,200 crazy and not that the game has kind of set this new expectation 120 00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:06,760 that if you want to be prepared at the beginning of the release, 121 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:08,920 you have to have early access and you have to grind through 122 00:07:08,920 --> 00:07:11,000 it. So you would never expect it 123 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:14,320 from your friends or your guildies or any of your family. 124 00:07:14,640 --> 00:07:17,320 But somehow you started to expect it for your yourself. 125 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:18,720 OK. Yeah, take it up with my 126 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:22,080 therapist, Manny. I don't need to. 127 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:27,920 I'm already in your head. All right, Sean, how has your 128 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:31,720 initial foray into Silver Moon and the surrounding areas been? 129 00:07:32,320 --> 00:07:35,240 I love it early. Act as I Blizzard if you're 130 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:38,520 listening, and you might be. I love early access. 131 00:07:38,520 --> 00:07:41,760 Don't ever stop doing it. I know there are lots of folks 132 00:07:41,760 --> 00:07:46,080 who are going to tell you it's predatory and it's capitalism at 133 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:49,080 its worst, and here's a bunch of reasons why you shouldn't do it. 134 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:53,240 I will pay so much more than you're already asking us to pay. 135 00:07:53,680 --> 00:07:58,400 I absolutely love the early access window. 136 00:07:58,680 --> 00:08:01,920 I actually would pay extras if somebody else couldn't get early 137 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:06,400 access. I I if I can pick the person, 138 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:08,600 but I actually I absolutely it's. 139 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:10,960 Me, he's like, if you're going to be that crazy, you really 140 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:13,080 got. To suck this this is for a this 141 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:17,360 I'm doing it because I love you. It's no I early. 142 00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:20,320 The early access window was great that and we had four days 143 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:21,880 this time as opposed to three days. 144 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:25,760 It launched on Thursday evening at 7:00 PM my time, I think 6:00 145 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:30,960 PM Eastern and because that's how time zones work and I 146 00:08:30,960 --> 00:08:35,520 started playing right away. But I like my bedtime is like in 147 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:38,760 when we're not in Prague season. My bedtime is like 10/30/11. 148 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:41,159 I hard stuck to it. I don't do demon hours. 149 00:08:41,159 --> 00:08:44,680 I don't push all night long. I get up at 6630 when shadow 150 00:08:44,680 --> 00:08:48,400 wakes me up. I play till 9:30 or 10 a couple 151 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:50,640 of nights because I was still quite a bit under the weather 152 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:52,720 from North Ren Live a couple of nights. 153 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:55,480 I went to bed early. I went to bed at like 9:00 and 154 00:08:55,480 --> 00:08:59,280 just shut her down. But I with the War Within, I did 155 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:01,880 zone by zone, completing every quest in each zone as I went. 156 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:05,760 But I I tackled it with a different plan this time and I 157 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:09,960 just did. I mainlined the campaign and so 158 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:12,960 my first trip through was just campaign quests and I actually 159 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:16,640 feel like it made the campaign feel like a tighter, better 160 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:19,400 story than the War Within's main campaign was. 161 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:22,160 All of this with the exception of Herndar. 162 00:09:22,880 --> 00:09:29,680 I have it has as like as of three hours ago or so it this my 163 00:09:29,680 --> 00:09:32,800 opinion changed. But up until that point, I hated 164 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:35,680 the Herndar zone with a fiery burning passion. 165 00:09:36,120 --> 00:09:38,720 And it's nothing to do with the Heroneer, it's nothing to do 166 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:41,160 with the questing. It's nothing to do with the zone 167 00:09:41,160 --> 00:09:43,400 itself. It's because they forced me to 168 00:09:43,400 --> 00:09:47,720 use dynamic flight in a zone that is just roots. 169 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:50,360 The whole the whole zone is just roots. 170 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:53,440 So every time I took off, I flew into something. 171 00:09:53,560 --> 00:09:55,800 Every time I tried to go somewhere, I flew into 172 00:09:55,800 --> 00:09:57,960 something. There's caves everywhere I 173 00:09:57,960 --> 00:10:00,760 couldn't blitz. So Blizzard, I would pay so much 174 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:03,640 more for early access. But if you lock steady flight 175 00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:07,240 behind Pathfinder again, I'm coming to the office and we're 176 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:11,160 going to have a chat because that's the dumbest decision I've 177 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:13,800 ever heard. I hated it so much and now I 178 00:10:13,800 --> 00:10:16,680 want go ahead. This is very validating because 179 00:10:16,680 --> 00:10:20,560 I was also constantly running into things on in in Heronier 180 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:24,320 and I was like, wow, when did I get so bad at flight that I 181 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:25,880 can't even go in a straight line? 182 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:29,080 I was wasting so many things, running into things five times 183 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:31,440 in a row because I thought that I turned enough and I hadn't. 184 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:34,280 Yeah, I hate it. I I typed in my guilt chat. 185 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:36,120 I hate her and are I hate the Heronier. 186 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:39,160 This is awful. And my GM who loves everything 187 00:10:39,160 --> 00:10:41,680 Heronier was like, what are you talking about? 188 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:44,680 And I explained my problem. She was like, oh, you hate that 189 00:10:44,680 --> 00:10:47,840 you're bad at flying you me. And I was like, Nope, I hate 190 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:49,960 Heroner. I hate the Heroner, I hate the 191 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:53,240 zone, I hate all of this. It's their fault. 192 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:56,160 She's like, OK, all right, maybe come back when you have 193 00:10:56,240 --> 00:10:59,040 Pathfinder and you've unlocked steady flight and see how you 194 00:10:59,040 --> 00:11:00,640 feel then. So anyway, I went back and did 195 00:11:00,640 --> 00:11:02,240 the local stories and the zone is beautiful. 196 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:07,920 The stories are heart warming. Some of them are hilarious, but 197 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:11,920 that was like really angry at that zone for a long time, but 198 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:13,480 because of it. But I, the early access has been 199 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:16,440 a smash hit. It's, it allows me just like a 200 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:19,280 one within it allows me to slow down, take my time. 201 00:11:19,640 --> 00:11:22,840 I got 3 characters level to 90. I got Loremaster done. 202 00:11:23,120 --> 00:11:28,840 I just relaxed and was chill for four days, I guess five days 203 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:31,480 because I mean, I just finished levelling that third character 204 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:32,440 to 90 tonight. So. 205 00:11:32,920 --> 00:11:35,520 But yeah, I, I really enjoyed it. 206 00:11:35,520 --> 00:11:39,920 I thought it was a great launch. No, no disconnecting issues, no 207 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:42,080 zoning issues for me. I know some of the higher pop 208 00:11:42,080 --> 00:11:45,200 realms had some issues at launch where they couldn't get in right 209 00:11:45,200 --> 00:11:49,640 away for about 1520 minutes. But I'm my main is in a very low 210 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:52,640 pop realm. So it takes an act of God for us 211 00:11:52,640 --> 00:11:54,200 not to be able to get on and play well. 212 00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:58,000 But yeah, it was it was great. Did you how was your 'cause you 213 00:11:58,000 --> 00:11:59,760 started right at launch, Manny, how was it for you? 214 00:11:59,760 --> 00:12:03,440 Oh. Man, I really did enjoy it. 215 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:08,160 I was, I didn't do all the craziness to level, but like 216 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:14,360 what I do because I simply run through on the beta do soaking 217 00:12:14,360 --> 00:12:18,080 in all those local stories, taking my sweet time so that 218 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:22,040 when I get on live, I can like rush ahead of like the big crowd 219 00:12:22,040 --> 00:12:24,840 and like actually like get into spaces so I'm not fighting over 220 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:29,160 like tags and such. I enjoyed it. 221 00:12:29,760 --> 00:12:34,040 I went through on like I've now levelled up my second character, 222 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:39,920 but that one I did in a the most inefficient way possible, like 9 223 00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:43,880 and 9 point something levels of mining and herbing friends. 224 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:48,880 We we make it gold out here and enjoyed that. 225 00:12:49,560 --> 00:12:57,000 I, I think that I have really come to love war mode again. 226 00:12:57,320 --> 00:13:04,560 And I'm glad like we talked about the MMO of the game and 227 00:13:04,560 --> 00:13:08,120 war mode helps with that in the most unusual way. 228 00:13:08,440 --> 00:13:10,720 You are very aware of other players. 229 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:14,600 You become like aware when there's like a couple of the 230 00:13:14,680 --> 00:13:17,920 opposite faction there and you're like, oh, oh, you become 231 00:13:17,920 --> 00:13:21,040 aware of like when you see like a friendly player, like, oh, 232 00:13:21,040 --> 00:13:24,640 maybe I'll quest along with them so I don't get like ambushed by 233 00:13:24,640 --> 00:13:27,040 like that rogue I heard sneaking around or something. 234 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:31,400 And I love that the world comes alive like that cannot be done 235 00:13:31,400 --> 00:13:34,360 in beta. You're like you're an island 236 00:13:34,360 --> 00:13:37,440 onto yourself when you're playing in beta and PTR. 237 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:39,560 There's there's no population on the realms. 238 00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:44,360 But dear God, if I make an attempt at one of those drops on 239 00:13:44,360 --> 00:13:48,480 my server, I'm doing a four V1 I don't like. 240 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:51,560 Maybe more, I don't know. I'm already dead by the time I 241 00:13:51,560 --> 00:13:55,280 count up that high. So it's just it's made the game 242 00:13:55,280 --> 00:13:59,320 so much more fun for me. Do you abide by the rule, the 243 00:13:59,320 --> 00:14:04,200 unwritten war mode rule of of expansion launch of if they 244 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:06,040 don't attack me, I leave them alone? 245 00:14:06,400 --> 00:14:10,520 Or do you aggressively attack every alliance that you see? 246 00:14:12,040 --> 00:14:20,760 I take that rule so far beyond the launch like I seldom like, 247 00:14:20,760 --> 00:14:24,400 rarely ever initiate. Somebody comes at me, all right, 248 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:28,120 it's on. But like I. 249 00:14:28,320 --> 00:14:29,880 I knew there was a reason I liked you, Manny. 250 00:14:29,880 --> 00:14:31,800 I knew there was a reason. Can I tell you a story? 251 00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:35,240 Can I tell you a story of It's really important in the Warcraft 252 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:38,520 space that we call out bad actors, especially when they're 253 00:14:38,520 --> 00:14:42,320 in our friend groups? Can I tell you a story about war 254 00:14:42,320 --> 00:14:47,240 mode and somebody who was being a bad actor and who did not like 255 00:14:47,240 --> 00:14:48,880 being called out on it afterwards all? 256 00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:51,120 Right, let's, let's hear it. It's not you. 257 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:53,080 So we had to. I won't mention the names. 258 00:14:53,320 --> 00:14:56,040 I won't mention the names or the OR the ranges. 259 00:14:56,720 --> 00:14:59,560 Yeah. So I had a friend who was 260 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:05,840 levelling in war mode and they weren't even like in the world 261 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:08,320 yet. They were like just outside of 262 00:15:08,320 --> 00:15:10,680 the city or something doing, I can't remember what it was, but 263 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:14,000 they weren't like actively owed in in the new in the world doing 264 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:16,720 stuff. And somebody saw them who was 265 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:18,160 the opposite faction and killed them. 266 00:15:19,040 --> 00:15:20,720 OK, fair play. I mean, they're in warm mode. 267 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:22,200 They get it. That's, you know, par for the 268 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:24,520 course. Unfortunate, but so be it. 269 00:15:24,600 --> 00:15:27,080 So they they come back to their body, they resurrect, the person 270 00:15:27,080 --> 00:15:30,320 is still there. They kill them again, so they go 271 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:32,160 back to their body, they come back, they're like, OK, now it's 272 00:15:32,160 --> 00:15:34,400 getting a little bit much and they kill them again. 273 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:37,480 So that this person was camping was farming them and camping 274 00:15:37,480 --> 00:15:41,520 them. So my friend reports them for 275 00:15:41,520 --> 00:15:46,200 for griefing or whatever. And then they're 'cause my 276 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:48,080 friend hangs out in Discord while they play. 277 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:51,920 Somebody from the Guild who's not like in the Guild but is 278 00:15:51,920 --> 00:15:56,720 like a friend of the Guild or adjacent, pops into Discord and 279 00:15:56,720 --> 00:16:02,200 starts laughing and says, hey, is this your character? 280 00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:04,400 And my friend said, yeah, that's my character. 281 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:06,080 And they said, oh, I've been killing you. 282 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:09,080 And my friend was like, you have ruined my morning. 283 00:16:09,640 --> 00:16:14,320 And they laughed harder. So anyway that that has been 284 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:16,160 rectified. That situation has been, you 285 00:16:16,160 --> 00:16:19,120 know, that is not acceptable. The camping is wrong. 286 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:21,400 But when somebody tells you that you've done something that has 287 00:16:21,400 --> 00:16:23,400 upset them, the response isn't to laugh at them. 288 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:25,720 The response is to apologize and be a decent human being. 289 00:16:26,080 --> 00:16:28,520 That I believe that person has been removed from our circles, 290 00:16:29,320 --> 00:16:34,840 but don't that's the lesson here is like in this case, they 291 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:37,320 happen to know who why they didn't know that they knew who 292 00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:39,320 they were the camping. That's just something apparently 293 00:16:39,320 --> 00:16:42,760 they do for fun. If you're somebody like I get 294 00:16:42,760 --> 00:16:44,760 warm mode, you want to kill somebody because you see the 295 00:16:44,760 --> 00:16:46,960 warm mode that's cool. But if you're like actively 296 00:16:46,960 --> 00:16:49,200 camping and framing somebody, you're an asshole. 297 00:16:50,280 --> 00:16:53,520 Don't do that. Don't be that person. 298 00:16:53,520 --> 00:16:58,000 Don't be like that person, be like Manny and and I the issue I 299 00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:01,800 have I think is with PV peers, like PvP mains in general, I 300 00:17:01,800 --> 00:17:05,520 just feel like a lot of them really just want to be bullies. 301 00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:08,880 They don't enjoy fair fights. They're not interested in 302 00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:11,520 fighting somebody of the same item level or the same skill. 303 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:14,200 They only want to pick on people who aren't as good as them. 304 00:17:14,520 --> 00:17:17,599 And that's why they get so upset when things like the training 305 00:17:17,599 --> 00:17:20,160 grounds come out and suddenly all of the people who aren't as 306 00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:23,359 good at PvP aren't in the battlegrounds to get farmed by 307 00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:25,440 these guys and instead they're fighting bots. 308 00:17:25,480 --> 00:17:28,319 Anyway, that's my rant. I'm so glad that you don't 309 00:17:28,319 --> 00:17:33,240 initiate first Manny. Usually it confirms that I what 310 00:17:33,240 --> 00:17:34,920 I thought and that you are a good person. 311 00:17:36,120 --> 00:17:39,480 Well, I think that there are reasons to engage and it is PvP, 312 00:17:39,480 --> 00:17:42,120 it is fair game. I think that generally during 313 00:17:42,120 --> 00:17:46,600 this launch window, there are, there are those extremes I have 314 00:17:46,600 --> 00:17:51,000 heard of like people with early access that once they reached 90 315 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:54,200 and they're like, oh, the fresh meats coming in, they were 316 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:57,960 waiting. And that is, that is horrible. 317 00:17:57,960 --> 00:18:02,240 But I have also heard like that it's broken out into like big, 318 00:18:02,560 --> 00:18:06,080 big fights like back in the classic days. 319 00:18:06,080 --> 00:18:09,200 Because like I, I grew up on a PvP server. 320 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:12,200 I can actually say grew up now because World of Warcraft is so 321 00:18:12,200 --> 00:18:14,720 old and I could say it was part of my formative year. 322 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:20,680 So like I, I like war mode and PvP servers have been just 323 00:18:20,680 --> 00:18:25,240 something that I have done for so long and I have loved when 324 00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:29,440 conflicts have sparked. And so like everybody calls in 325 00:18:29,440 --> 00:18:32,320 their Guild and then it's a big flashpoint and suddenly we've 326 00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:35,720 got like the big fight. Like you would have it Brill and 327 00:18:36,280 --> 00:18:41,120 and and Torin Mill were like all or crossroads or any of those 328 00:18:41,120 --> 00:18:43,600 those sort of places. And some of that has actually 329 00:18:43,600 --> 00:18:45,880 happened already. And I I think that's wonderful. 330 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:48,960 That's why they have the drops to like get people to come 331 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:52,440 together for that sort of stuff and have some flash PvP. 332 00:18:52,800 --> 00:18:57,880 I sometimes don't kill anybody and find the victory and getting 333 00:18:57,880 --> 00:19:00,240 away without getting without getting camped. 334 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:02,360 It's like, Oh my goodness, all right, camp. 335 00:19:02,640 --> 00:19:07,120 I don't have fresh shock as a part of my main rotation, but 336 00:19:07,120 --> 00:19:11,120 like being able to snare and get away and and be like, oh, oh, I 337 00:19:11,120 --> 00:19:15,600 made it mount up and going. Oh, no, here comes the rogue and 338 00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:17,000 gets me. Those are stories. 339 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:21,400 Those are those aren't in the a, a disruption to my gameplay. 340 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:24,520 That's part of my gameplay and I and I think that's great. 341 00:19:24,520 --> 00:19:28,720 It's just that when you're in the mode like I was at the 342 00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:33,680 beginning of this, this recording where it's like, Hey, 343 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:35,600 listen, I just, I need to get this thing done. 344 00:19:35,880 --> 00:19:39,920 So I'll turn off war mode and I'll go do the thing because I'm 345 00:19:39,920 --> 00:19:43,240 going to AFK while recording and obviously I don't want to get 346 00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:46,960 get sniped off on that. So war mode has its place, War 347 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:49,560 mode has time when people don't want to do that, and it's half 348 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:51,960 the time. There's a lot of people who just 349 00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:55,720 don't want to do that, and I'm glad it's there for them to opt 350 00:19:55,720 --> 00:20:00,640 out. But yeah, that was the initial 351 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:04,440 part of it. So, Sean, you've got three 90s 352 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:07,960 now. Yeah, yeah, my warrior, my 353 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:10,360 Paladin and my Demon Hunter are 90. 354 00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:14,960 And how many more are you you planning to work on? 355 00:20:15,360 --> 00:20:21,240 I will do by bear on EU and then I will do Death Knight and Monk 356 00:20:21,320 --> 00:20:24,640 on NA. This is Monk's in a really good 357 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:28,360 spot this season. All of with the Death Knight is 358 00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:30,360 for like the vast majority of people. 359 00:20:30,360 --> 00:20:33,320 Death Knight is fine. So what I'm about to say it 360 00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:36,320 probably doesn't apply to you, but Death Knight feels a little 361 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:38,080 clunky. Death Knight is the only one of 362 00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:41,920 the six tanks that's like this maybe doesn't feel great, but 363 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:45,240 all of the other like we are in a renaissance era of tanks right 364 00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:47,640 now. All of the other 5 tanks feel 365 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:50,520 exceptionally good. Depending on your group comp, I 366 00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:55,840 could see any of them being in like top 1% keys, top .1% keys, 367 00:20:56,520 --> 00:20:58,960 and they all feel really well. They're all going to clear the 368 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:00,480 rate easily. They're all going to do do do 369 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:03,760 dungeons really well and death night will is death night will 370 00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:05,560 do fine. If you're doing weekly twelves, 371 00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:09,120 if you're doing myth grading, any of that or below, death 372 00:21:09,120 --> 00:21:13,880 night will be fine. It's just if you're like death 373 00:21:13,880 --> 00:21:16,440 knight isn't as competitive as the other 5 when it comes to 374 00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:19,400 like the the top end First off. But anyway, it's going to I'm 375 00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:20,600 going to have all six tanks to go. 376 00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:24,000 This is the first season. I haven't really ever done monk 377 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:25,600 before. It's just brewmaster for 378 00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:27,360 whatever reason, has never jived with me. 379 00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:30,640 But I was playing it on the beta a little bit and it felt really 380 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:33,040 good. So I'm going to give brew, you 381 00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:35,440 know, an average testing. You'll just be like plus 382 00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:39,160 twelves, that kind of thing. I doubt I will raid on it at 383 00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:40,360 all. So just some mythic plus stuff. 384 00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:43,400 But I'm really excited for it. And we have a listener who is 385 00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:47,440 manning Brewmaster who had asked me if I could help them with 386 00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:49,480 some tank tips and stuff. And so I wanted to make sure 387 00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:52,120 that I was able to speak to the class that they're playing from 388 00:21:52,120 --> 00:21:56,320 a position of experience as opposed to just from reading. 389 00:21:57,320 --> 00:21:58,160 OK. All right. 390 00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:04,080 So yeah, all six, all 6 tanks, and maybe, yeah, maybe my rogue. 391 00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:05,400 My original character was a rogue. 392 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:09,160 And when I did that slash, played that account, played add 393 00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:12,120 on that went around, I was shocked to find that rogue was 394 00:22:12,120 --> 00:22:21,160 my #2 most played character still above warrior, above like 395 00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:23,600 it was Paladin. And then Rogue was #2 and I 396 00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:26,120 haven't played my rogue since Wrath of the Lich King, and 397 00:22:26,120 --> 00:22:30,760 really not since Burning Crusade and very, and Burner Crusade was 398 00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:32,760 like a hard swap to prop out. So it was only played very 399 00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:34,760 little in Burner Crusade. So I, I obviously put way too 400 00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:38,360 much hours on vanilla on my rogue, but it kind of made me 401 00:22:38,360 --> 00:22:41,800 want to get a little stabby. So maybe we'll maybe we'll 402 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:50,520 dabble with some rogue. OK, I feel like that is a lot to 403 00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:52,480 are they all? Are they going to have them all 404 00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:55,640 raid ready? No, no, no, no. 405 00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:59,520 So for the raid, it'll be my prop warrior, prop paladin and 406 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:01,200 death knight. The death knight is just in case 407 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:03,120 that there's anything that like require grips. 408 00:23:03,360 --> 00:23:08,280 The role I fill on our team is I'm the the third slash 409 00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:10,680 emergency tank. So if one of our tanks misses a 410 00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:15,600 raid knight or if we need like if you need a custom, not neat, 411 00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:18,440 but if a, if a specific tank class makes your life easier 412 00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:21,760 that one of our two main tanks is in playing, then I will fill 413 00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:24,520 that role. And then I 21st man. 414 00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:27,520 Aside from that, So last year, because of you know, what 415 00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:30,640 happened, I ended up tanking 5 of 8 Prague bosses, including 416 00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:36,360 the last three. So yeah, it just was just the 417 00:23:36,360 --> 00:23:38,440 way that it went. But yeah, so my, my death knight 418 00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:40,960 will be ready to go. My warrior will be ready to go. 419 00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:43,600 And my paladin is the one that I'm tanking in the one day a 420 00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:47,680 week killed on on the weekends on an 8. 421 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:50,720 Now I say that, but I mean, really, if I'm doing mythic plus 422 00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:53,280 on them, the rest of them will be close to go like they would 423 00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:56,520 all be able to rate heroic. But just whether or not I put 424 00:23:56,520 --> 00:24:00,240 them in mythic because the, the goal will be when I hit what I 425 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:03,000 typically do is any tank that I'm not maning will get, you 426 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:06,840 know, one or the other one or two boxes in the vault a week on 427 00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:10,720 the myth track and just sort of passively keeping them close. 428 00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:13,680 Well, the rest of the, the characters are they, they start, 429 00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:16,880 they'll start off probably just going hero track stuff, delve 430 00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:19,040 stuff for probably the first three weeks or 4 weeks. 431 00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:22,760 And then and Lex is laughing at me because. 432 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:26,040 I just the concept of like, Oh yeah, I'm just going to like 433 00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:29,640 passively get them ready by getting one myth track in the 434 00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:32,480 vault every week. The most passive thing is it 435 00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:35,160 just it basically just pops up in your vault, right? 436 00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:37,600 You just log in, you have vault. I don't know where that came 437 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:39,480 from. That's not a logging bonus. 438 00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:44,160 What? Sometimes when I describe things 439 00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:47,400 that I do from a casual standpoint, I feel like Lex 440 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:50,720 thinks that they're not as casual as I think they're I 441 00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:51,840 think. If you're happy, I'm happy, 442 00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:55,880 Sean, and I understand that for you this feels very low impact 443 00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:58,040 and very casual, and that's fair and valid. 444 00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:00,480 I think if you tried to play the way that I played, you would go 445 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:02,280 crazy. Yeah, we got to run your own 446 00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:03,680 race, right. We got to run your own race. 447 00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:07,400 Yeah. So I guess yes, Manny, they are 448 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:14,040 all going to be semi raid ready, but only really two to three. 449 00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:17,040 We'll know pretty early on with them. 450 00:25:17,360 --> 00:25:20,080 But your plan has had them heroic geared with a slow 451 00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:23,480 increase of mythic geared. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. 452 00:25:24,120 --> 00:25:26,360 Yeah, OK. That, that removes some 453 00:25:26,360 --> 00:25:31,640 subjective terms from that gives Lex a little bit of a free OK. 454 00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:38,720 And then Lex, on your end, you're you're now levelling up. 455 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:41,280 You've already talked about like the keeping up with the Joneses. 456 00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:45,520 I can't believe that John's conversation and description 457 00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:48,360 could have made anything feel like a little bit better for 458 00:25:48,360 --> 00:25:51,600 you. But all the same, what's your 459 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:55,680 plans as we like head from this early release, we're now in the 460 00:25:55,680 --> 00:26:01,440 full release. Next week we will be sorry, 461 00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:02,960 right? This week we've got Mythic 462 00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:04,360 zeros. I apologize. 463 00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:08,880 And then the week of the 17th is work week. 464 00:26:11,120 --> 00:26:16,160 OK, so, so then what's your plans? 465 00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:25,800 I am going to do my best to kind of let some of this stress off 466 00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:28,200 mostly, so I think I'm going to try to take it a little bit 467 00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:31,240 chiller than I have. One thing I have come to 468 00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:35,440 understand about myself through this like beginning of this 469 00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:42,360 expansion is that I am at core as much as a human can know 470 00:26:42,360 --> 00:26:45,880 themselves. I am a havoc Demon Hunter. 471 00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:51,320 That is the most true I, I, I have no interest in anything 472 00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:55,200 else I've done vengeance for like follower dungeons and I 473 00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:58,080 realized it was not fun and I was not enjoying it. 474 00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:01,320 And I think I kind of need to put my tank dreams on the shelf 475 00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:04,320 and accept that I really want a tank because it's fun to get 476 00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:06,440 into dungeons easily and have all your friends be like, Oh 477 00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:10,040 yeah, that's going to be super helpful, but I do not enjoy it. 478 00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:11,560 It is not a thing that makes me happy. 479 00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:14,080 It is a thing that makes me stressed and also means I have 480 00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:16,800 to sit there in one stupid little spot like a stupid little 481 00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:21,080 idiot, and then I do my stupid little rotation and I don't even 482 00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:23,600 backflip once. They don't even let you backflip 483 00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:25,640 once in the Vengeance Demon Hunter rotation. 484 00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:29,600 It's I mean that you can, you have whatever. 485 00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:31,600 Yeah, ventral retreat. I'm like, I, I swear I have. 486 00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:34,720 Ventral Retreat, Vengeful Retreat out, Infernal Strike 487 00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:37,160 back in it's big damage. So much fun. 488 00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:39,160 I will then do that. Yeah, I take it back. 489 00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:44,920 I guess I gotta do that, but I, I, I think I really love the 490 00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:49,760 havoc play style. I, I also think honestly, 491 00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:53,840 vengeance feels a little bit like more like the, the, the 492 00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:57,360 rotation is a little bit more complex. 493 00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:00,960 And I think my little lazy self enjoys the fact that I get to 494 00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:04,280 zoom around and rush. But also it's a very clear 495 00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:06,320 rotation where I always know exactly what button I'm going to 496 00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:08,560 press next. And a lot of that is also 497 00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:12,200 because I've spent hours studying the Havoc rotation and 498 00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:14,320 I've spent like 30 minutes without studying Vengeance. 499 00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:18,560 But anyway, so on the plus side, multiple guildies of mine are 500 00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:20,160 now saying, you know, it would be really fun. 501 00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:21,840 It's tanking. And I'm like, yeah, you do that. 502 00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:23,360 You do that. Do you need ADPS? 503 00:28:23,360 --> 00:28:26,760 Would that be fun? Lex, can I just I, I just, I 504 00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:29,480 don't want you to give up on the tank dream just yet. 505 00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:34,880 I I want you to know that the follower dungeons right now in 506 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:38,720 the current state are the absolute worst they've ever 507 00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:41,360 been. I reported Krenna for griefing. 508 00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:44,800 Krenna, the Earth Mother. That's the healer. 509 00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:46,960 It's Meriti. Huntswell is fantastic. 510 00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:48,760 She's the maid. She gives us a table every day. 511 00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:51,800 I have nothing bad to say, but Meriti Huntswell, Austin 512 00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:54,520 Huxworth is the hunter. He can get launched into the 513 00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:56,400 sun. And I don't know what Krenna 514 00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:59,880 even does. I've never, I don't know what 515 00:28:59,880 --> 00:29:04,360 like Krenna was programmed to only DPS and pull mobs. 516 00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:07,520 She does no healing, she does no resurrecting. 517 00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:10,920 She is. It's the absolute purest pug 518 00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:16,480 simulator I've ever seen in my life, so don't judge how awful 519 00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:21,120 tanking was based on I. I spent 45 minutes in the den of 520 00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:25,120 Nalarak and hadn't killed the second boss because they just 521 00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:30,000 kept dying. I'm so I was so I I will never 522 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:31,600 go back into following dungeons again. 523 00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:34,680 Except to get my my mage food from Meridi Huntswell, thank 524 00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:37,560 you, Meridi. So don't judge. 525 00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:41,120 I would ask that you'd run some normal dungeons, run some heroic 526 00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:43,600 dungeons, get a group of friends together so you're in a 527 00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:45,080 comfortable group where you're not stressed. 528 00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:49,160 Don't judge your tanking experience based on what I can 529 00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:52,120 only assume is Blizzard's attempt to push players into 530 00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:55,240 organized dungeon groups. Because the follower dungeon, 531 00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:57,760 and it's fantastic at that, because the follower dungeons 532 00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:00,800 are awful right now. They're so bad. 533 00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:04,920 Like I'm not that bad at managing aggro man. 534 00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:06,840 Well you're taking. I honestly didn't realize you 535 00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:08,240 were taking it from follower dungeons. 536 00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:11,320 They they are. Awful. 537 00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:14,000 You can. Say I want to say like Sean 538 00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:19,480 needs to be nuanced, void hyperbole, blah, blah, blah blah 539 00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:22,040 blah. Unfortunately, no lie was said 540 00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:23,640 today. It is. 541 00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:26,240 It's just it is not. It's not there. 542 00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:30,280 It's not like I think they actively said like no, no, you 543 00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:34,320 got to give them the the ability of the butt pool or like not go 544 00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:38,720 anywhere or like like I did the follower dungeons that were 545 00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:42,800 required for the campaign as if I was doing a delve. 546 00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:46,800 I said screw it, make sure my defenses are up because I'm 547 00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:51,080 going to pull, make sure my damage is ready so that I can do 548 00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:54,000 this. And then I just they were just 549 00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:58,880 around and I and I also the first time I stepped into like 550 00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:02,000 the final dungeon, again, avoiding story spoilers, the 551 00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:09,400 final dungeon in the chain, I 100% just cleared everything 552 00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:12,800 that I knew was going to be butt pulled because they'd like at 553 00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:14,640 that point. It just was in my head from like 554 00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:17,920 the poor experiences before. Yeah, it was like being back in 555 00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:19,720 the Navy. Denev Nalarak has this segment. 556 00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:21,040 It was. So I have to explain this. 557 00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:23,680 There's this segment after the first boss where you're on this 558 00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:27,080 long stretch and there's a gust of wind that pushes everybody 559 00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:29,320 back. And it felt like I was in the 560 00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:31,720 Navy because the four people in my priority spent the entire 561 00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:34,160 time halfway across the map getting blown. 562 00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:38,360 And it was. I just wanted them to follow me. 563 00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:41,800 I've pinged the rocks. Like a little blue here. 564 00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:44,560 They pinged the rocks. They were like, hey, hide behind 565 00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:46,240 this rock. Austin Hucksworth pinged the 566 00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:47,440 rock. Hide behind this rock. 567 00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:49,640 You're safe behind this rock. Ping, ping, ping, ping, ping. 568 00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:54,120 And then he stood in the middle and got blown back to the 569 00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:56,880 entrance, pulled three more packs and died. 570 00:31:56,880 --> 00:32:00,280 It was the worst 45 minutes. And then I was like, you know 571 00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:01,960 what? Maybe I'll just queue for a 572 00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:04,600 normal. Yeah. 573 00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:06,160 So that's a, that's a hot tip for everybody. 574 00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:08,920 All of your quest dungeons that are required where it's like 575 00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:10,960 queue for a follow dungeon, you don't have to do any of them on 576 00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:12,720 follower. You can do them all in the 577 00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:17,240 normal queue. I recommend that the the people 578 00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:20,960 will be at least 50% better than the followers at minimum. 579 00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:24,440 OK, I'll, I'll, I'll go back to trying to play with real people 580 00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:26,560 and give that a couple shots before I declare that I am 581 00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:28,280 completely done with Venture. OK, thank you. 582 00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:34,200 I would also say WEX that raid tanking is different than 583 00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:38,000 dungeon tanking and having somebody who's your Co tank also 584 00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:42,480 alleviates a lot of this stress. Re tanking is very fun except 585 00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:45,160 the issue is that I'm a terrible tank and the other the only 586 00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:47,440 person I've Co tanked with is a God. 587 00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:50,640 Like literally he is parsing purples every single time and so 588 00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:53,880 I can't hold aggro. Like the poor man literally has 589 00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:56,960 to start doing a bad job of playing so that he will not pull 590 00:32:56,960 --> 00:33:00,920 aggro off of me. But conceptually, I love raid 591 00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:03,880 tanking. But also we do have all of those 592 00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:07,160 slots full and we try not to put two officers. 593 00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:08,400 Maybe this is actually just in my head. 594 00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:11,160 I don't know if this is a universal thing, but I try not 595 00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:14,800 to put two officers in a very like, well desired spot. 596 00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:17,320 So I wouldn't want to take the second spot and make it a double 597 00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:23,240 officer tanking pool. But yeah, yeah, no, I I like to 598 00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:25,240 be fair though, I do really love Havoc. 599 00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:28,800 Like this is what I have gotten the most out of this is I just 600 00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:32,840 there is no moment in my life that is more joyful than like 601 00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:37,760 vengeful retreat cell rush. I-beam, essence, break the play, 602 00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:41,880 dance, whatever the Green 1 is, a million times like that is the 603 00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:45,640 most pure joy that I have and ever will experience. 604 00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:48,360 I will say on the follower dungeon though, just to really 605 00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:52,680 bring back up some old pain, they have a lot of casters. 606 00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:55,480 It's like every single pack we have one minimum. 607 00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:58,120 It's crazy. I don't know what Sean was 608 00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:00,600 talking about until I started doing dungeons and I'm like, Oh 609 00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:04,120 my God, that's a lot of casters. Now let's say fixed that. 610 00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:07,440 They addressed that. Yeah, they addressed that. 611 00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:08,480 Didn't. Don't you remember the blue 612 00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:09,800 posts? They did. 613 00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:15,000 There used to be like two or three pastors in like every pack 614 00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:17,679 and NASA's down to 1. So you're like, OK, listen guys, 615 00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:21,560 the most we can do if everybody is on top of their, their 616 00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:26,639 interrupts is 4 packs or we're going to be suffering one 617 00:34:26,639 --> 00:34:31,360 getting and getting off casts. Like it's just, it's what limits 618 00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:33,400 you guys. And if you're doing follower 619 00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:35,480 dungeons, if you're doing normal dungeons, if you're doing heroic 620 00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:38,600 dungeons, if you're doing mythic 0 dungeons, you don't need to 621 00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:42,480 pull everything in the room up into the boss and, and, and 622 00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:46,600 cleave them down from the boss. That is not necessarily the 623 00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:50,400 Strat you need to do a. Lot more fun though. 624 00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:56,199 Oh my God, get out of get out of a big boss mode. 625 00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:59,160 It's fine there. There's a drawback to it, and 626 00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:00,960 that is that you can't control everything. 627 00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:03,960 I will admit it was very fun to do that in a follower dungeon. 628 00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:06,240 You just then die. Like there's a moment where 629 00:35:06,240 --> 00:35:09,360 you're like, I am a tanking God. Every single thing in this room 630 00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:11,320 is looking at me. And then half of them get pulled 631 00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:13,120 off because they're only targeting whatever is the 632 00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:15,640 furthest away from you and they run halfway across the freaking 633 00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:17,600 map. And then you die anyway because 634 00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:19,000 you're not getting heals. Thank you, Sean. 635 00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:20,360 I feel much more validated than I thought it. 636 00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:22,720 Was Krenna she's she's the worst. 637 00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:26,560 I think she's a plant. I honestly I think I think the 638 00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:30,760 dungeons pay her to to not heal us. 639 00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:34,680 See just the the vile Manch trolls are like Hey Karena. 640 00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:38,600 You want some juju? You can't trust those torrents, 641 00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:45,880 OK? But as people are moving through 642 00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:49,600 this week, Mythic Zeros are now open, people who have early 643 00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:56,720 access like Sean have like got multiple tunes up to cap and 644 00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:01,520 people are looking to gear up. So this end game for the people 645 00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:04,360 who have experienced it, how have been doing that? 646 00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:06,800 How's that landing for you right now, Sean? 647 00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:10,760 10 out of 10, yeah, I've had, everything's been great. 648 00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:14,280 If you're looking to gear up, go do world quests. 649 00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:16,160 They're dropping like 230 item level. 650 00:36:16,720 --> 00:36:18,320 You basically don't have to do a heroic. 651 00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:20,200 Oh, you're pausing me, man. He doesn't. 652 00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:23,360 Want no, I, I, I, I, I do think world quests are the key to 653 00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:25,280 levelling up. I don't think you should be 654 00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:30,160 doing them right away. I think because world quests as 655 00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:32,120 you're as you're levelling world quests. 656 00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:34,240 Like not levelling at at Max level I'm. 657 00:36:34,240 --> 00:36:36,840 Talking, yeah, yeah, like if you've got a second one, you can 658 00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:38,800 do world quests as you're levelling, right. 659 00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:43,560 But as you are levelling up your item level, not as you're 660 00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:45,360 levelling up your your actual level. 661 00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:47,920 World quests are adjusting, right? 662 00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:50,640 So when you first hit cap they're not giving you as high 663 00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:52,200 item level. You don't. 664 00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:54,200 They only adjust when they spawn. 665 00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:56,880 Once it's spawned it's locked in. 666 00:36:57,000 --> 00:37:00,240 It will go up as your item level goes up, but once that world 667 00:37:00,240 --> 00:37:03,520 Crest, once that world quest spawns, I don't think it adjusts 668 00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:06,840 after it's active, so there's no point to wait. 669 00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:10,480 I don't. I don't believe it does, but 670 00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:13,840 yeah, maybe I'm wrong. I mean, you might be right, but 671 00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:18,960 I would say that like you're still with whatever limited time 672 00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:23,360 you have, right? You're better off hitting things 673 00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:26,560 that are fixed item levels that aren't going to adjust. 674 00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:33,960 Pray has a high chance of like the first two preys that you do 675 00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:36,600 at any difficulty. So you're see, there's the thing 676 00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:37,960 you're doing them. You should be doing them 677 00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:40,440 together. Pick up your prey, go do your 678 00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:42,680 world quests, because as you're doing your world quests, you're 679 00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:46,360 contributing to your prey. Don't do them separate, do pick 680 00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:47,960 up. Like don't ever be in the world 681 00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:51,160 doing anything without a prey active. 682 00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:56,360 So you've, you want 2 normal prey, 2 hard prey once you get 683 00:37:56,480 --> 00:38:00,920 them unlocked and then always be, always have a prey active 684 00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:02,800 when you're in the world doing those world quests. 685 00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:04,960 So you're double dipping. Yeah. 686 00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:07,200 And then you're going to complete them at the same time, 687 00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:11,160 you'll get veteran pieces from your first two hard praise and 688 00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:12,840 your world quests. It works. 689 00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:14,560 World quests are also on a timer, so you want to make sure 690 00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:16,960 you get those before they cycle over to the next ones. 691 00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:20,200 And you can actually do PvP world quests now without going 692 00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:22,600 into war mode. And they're also giving you, I 693 00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:27,920 don't know if it's intended or not, but you should be doing 694 00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:30,200 that because they're giving rewards as well. 695 00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:32,120 You don't like. You almost never have to go into 696 00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:33,720 war mode. It's crazy. 697 00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:38,880 There is a quest that you get in the Void Storm that gives you 698 00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:41,560 like that champion trinket, that 246 trinket. 699 00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:44,200 That's something I would prioritize because that's going 700 00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:46,520 to. Yeah, so you get, so there's 701 00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:50,600 actually 44 champion track items you can get from the renowned 702 00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:53,800 tracks. You need Renown 9 with Eversong, 703 00:38:54,240 --> 00:38:59,600 Renown 9 with so Le Mans, I think it's Renowned 8 with 704 00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:04,240 Herrinar and then Renowned 7 with Storms, Voidstar or 705 00:39:04,240 --> 00:39:06,880 Voidstorm. And you can get that by just 706 00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:10,000 clearing all the local quests. So if you do the campaign and 707 00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:12,360 the local quests, you'll have each of the renowns you need and 708 00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:15,200 you don't even need to finish all the local quests for Herrin 709 00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:18,640 Dare and Voidstorm. So you want to go get those. 710 00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:21,280 In order to get those, you pick up a quest. 711 00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:23,200 Once you hit the renown level, you pick up a quest to get them 712 00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:25,800 and then the quest is to do the zone event. 713 00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:29,440 So don't do those zone events until you have picked up the 714 00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:31,160 quest. So get your renown up first and 715 00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:35,040 do it. That gives you 4246 champion 716 00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:40,440 track pieces. 1 of 6 champion track, it's a belt, a trinket, a 717 00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:44,560 hat, and a neck. That's what you get from those. 718 00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:50,760 And then fill in your world quests for other pieces that 719 00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:54,160 you're missing. And then at that point you 720 00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:58,400 should be somewhere around 232 thirty plus maybe for your item 721 00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:00,280 level. Then just you can go right into 722 00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:02,240 mythic zeros. There's no reason to do heroic 723 00:40:02,240 --> 00:40:03,920 dungeons. I mean, you can go in and fill 724 00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:08,280 gaps if you have them in heroic dungeons, but I would save that 725 00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:11,480 because you got you're going to get 2 rounds of mythic 0 in 726 00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:15,840 there and you're going to get two weeks of prey quests and 727 00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:18,680 that's 4 cycles of world quests as well. 728 00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:21,240 It's it's really easy right now to get. 729 00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:27,240 You're probably looking at 24240 ish is where most players, if 730 00:40:27,240 --> 00:40:30,720 you're like trying to be as geared as you can to go into 731 00:40:30,720 --> 00:40:33,560 normal raid, that 240 ish range, I think it's probably going to 732 00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:38,640 be around where people will be heading into normal raid on the 733 00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:43,840 17th and that is like it requires such little effort. 734 00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:47,200 It's just your renowns and then world quests and do your mythic 735 00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:55,320 0 world wars if you just. Do the entire zone and all of 736 00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:58,360 the side quests and then also world quests. 737 00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:01,880 Then you just basically they give you a piece of gear. 738 00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:05,640 If you don't do an entire lore master, they're just handing out 739 00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:08,160 gear like Handy. Everyone's gonna have that. 740 00:41:08,240 --> 00:41:15,760 I will say Lex, that if you just do the core like MSQ quest, you 741 00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:20,600 end the level up campaign at like 87. 742 00:41:20,720 --> 00:41:23,040 You have three more levels that you have to make up. 743 00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:27,720 So like doing the side quests is is definitely something I would 744 00:41:27,720 --> 00:41:31,680 suggest suggest for people. Obviously if you do every side 745 00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:35,160 quest, you'll be like 86 before you leave Silver Moon. 746 00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:38,560 I've seen it happen. So like there's a balance in it, 747 00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:40,040 yes. Do you think people are 748 00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:44,440 listening to this show going? This guy literally plays the 749 00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:48,480 game for a living telling me how easy it is to just do 750 00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:51,520 everything. That's why I'm here, Sean. 751 00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:54,960 I'm here for the person who's like, but also some of us had 752 00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:59,160 early access and we're level 87 and said, OK, take a night, 753 00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:02,440 lead, snuggle your puppy. It's gonna be OK. 754 00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:04,920 It's just a video game. Run your own race. 755 00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:06,480 You gotta find. You gotta run your own race. 756 00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:10,560 I think that's the point of the show, is to have the different 757 00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:13,560 perspectives, yes. Sean, you see some of us have 758 00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:16,600 jobs. You do too. 759 00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:18,920 It's World of Warcraft. Gainfully employed. 760 00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:20,040 Yeah, it's true. It's true. 761 00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:29,360 And very few few parts of your job require that you are 762 00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:32,960 actually playing. It's drag, so that's true. 763 00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:34,520 I do have to do a lot of video editing. 764 00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:39,000 Yeah. So like, so you play at the 765 00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:41,560 level that you play at for the love of the game. 766 00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:46,120 And I think that people who like share your passion and share 767 00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:49,200 your your love to play at the level that you do can resonate 768 00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:51,640 with that. And people who might feel that 769 00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:55,480 that is not their speed can resonate with with other people, 770 00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:57,760 right? Like Lex, like. 771 00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:01,040 To be fair, most people listening to World of Warcraft 772 00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:03,600 podcasts are probably not level 87 right now. 773 00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:07,120 Like, I'm well aware that I am on this podcast as a, you know, 774 00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:10,600 most of the listeners are probably listening like, girl, 775 00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:13,880 you don't have Loremaster yet. But if you don't, it's OK. 776 00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:17,400 I don't either, babes. I, I, I would love people who 777 00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:22,280 are listening to this to just give a comment on if you have 778 00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:25,360 Loremaster, right, Sojourner, let's just say Sojourner, if you 779 00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:30,160 have the Sojourner achievement and when you got it, I'd like to 780 00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:34,640 get just like a general vibe for it because I don't think that's 781 00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:39,800 the majority of listeners. I do, listeners. 782 00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:41,840 I believe in you. Manny might not believe in you, 783 00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:44,280 but I believe in you. I believe that you're all 784 00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:47,320 Loremaster 230 plus ready to rock. 785 00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:54,280 I need to believe it. OK, well. 786 00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:58,600 Where can they tell us? Where can they tell us the 787 00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:01,800 answer to your question? Honestly, anywhere that they 788 00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:05,080 find the show, you can leave comments on Spotify. 789 00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:07,360 You can leave the comments on iTunes. 790 00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:10,960 You can join us in the discord at bit dot LY slash fast discord 791 00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:15,440 and let us know there or track US down on Twitter. 792 00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:20,800 The the show has the the Twitter account and we'll just give us a 793 00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:24,280 little shout out. We'll we'll we will read it. 794 00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:29,440 We one of us will and then complain to the other two. 795 00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:36,120 I won't say which anyways, yeah, I think, I think that there's so 796 00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:39,000 much that is happening right now with World of Warcraft. 797 00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:44,800 It's such a good launch that like I have very few complaints. 798 00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:48,560 I think that they, this has been one of the smoothest launches, 799 00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:55,880 one of the best level up experiences I've had. 800 00:44:56,880 --> 00:45:01,760 I just am terrified because of the war within that we're going 801 00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:09,480 to get the 12 point 0.5 patch and it's going to be like, 802 00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:12,440 here's this Mac Guffin that has zero foundation. 803 00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:16,720 And and because that's what we decided to have the story do 804 00:45:16,720 --> 00:45:21,080 instead of things that are leading somewhere like I, there 805 00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:25,200 are story elements that genuinely made me sad for the 806 00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:28,680 wrong reasons. And I will get into that as we 807 00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:32,000 give people more time to play play this game. 808 00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:38,280 But mechanically, just pace wise, this is this has been a 809 00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:40,880 great launch. What do you say, Lex? 810 00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:44,160 Just to this is not an experience I've had, but just to 811 00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:46,720 validate the people who I I'm sure are screaming at their 812 00:45:46,720 --> 00:45:49,000 phones right now. I have heard the Hera near 813 00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:53,920 players are unhappy campers. It seems like that is a little 814 00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:56,760 bit of a technical mess, but I don't play hair near so I'm 815 00:45:56,760 --> 00:46:00,200 having a very good time. I have also been really enjoying 816 00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:02,680 the story and getting to take my time. 817 00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:05,920 I have kind of the reverse experience of you, Manny, where 818 00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:09,080 I'm really feeling deeply entrenched in the MMO because 819 00:46:09,080 --> 00:46:12,560 I'm not playing war mode and I'm feeling a lot of the moments of 820 00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:15,160 like you see someone like kind of like sidestepping towards you 821 00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:17,760 with a huge pack and you're like, OK baby, yeah, I can give 822 00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:19,800 you an i-beam. No worries, honey. 823 00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:22,320 You bring those right over here. We'll do this together. 824 00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:26,400 No fuzz. So I am, I'm, I'm really feeling 825 00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:30,480 that early expansion energy and then joy and excitement and 826 00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:33,560 everyone's just having fun and there's just things to do. 827 00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:36,720 I, I, yeah, I'm and I love Havoc. 828 00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:39,520 I love Havoc so much. I'm never playing Devour. 829 00:46:39,720 --> 00:46:41,720 It's good for you guys that enjoy Devour. 830 00:46:41,720 --> 00:46:43,600 It's not me. I want to go foul rush 831 00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:45,960 everywhere and I'm I'm doing it and I'm so happy. 832 00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:50,880 And Sean, what's your closing thoughts here? 833 00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:56,720 It's great, great launch, great fun and run your own race, 834 00:46:57,800 --> 00:46:59,600 whatever. Wherever you find joy, you find 835 00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:02,000 that joy. I also have heard the hare near 836 00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:05,000 people who are unhappy. I was wonderful. 837 00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:07,320 It might just be that they're mad at dynamic flight. 838 00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:12,840 So for the people who might not know what you're alluding to, 839 00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:16,840 please enlighten us to what the issue is with the here and 840 00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:19,320 there. Oh, I've heard the mogs are just 841 00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:22,200 busted. Like the everything is is 842 00:47:22,240 --> 00:47:24,880 everything's clipping. You can see the like underwear 843 00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:26,480 through clothes. You shouldn't be able to see it 844 00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:30,360 through. Like it's just and just just not 845 00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:34,840 designed the way that it really should be at launch for an 846 00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:37,480 allied race. But I mean, they just, you know, 847 00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:39,480 on the other hand, housing stuff looks really pretty. 848 00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:42,200 They the number of housing things they're showing me. 849 00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:47,920 Do you guys, do you guys recall ages ago when World of Warcraft 850 00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:51,000 was talking about AI and one of the acceptable uses they said 851 00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:57,520 was adjusting armor to the to the different races? 852 00:47:58,040 --> 00:48:03,400 I'm wondering I'm wondering if this was the work of Claude or 853 00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:09,000 Cat GPT. I believe it because to be fair, 854 00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:12,040 again, I'd like just. I'm just pulling this off of 855 00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:16,280 like World of Warcraft Reddit, which, you know, sad place to be 856 00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:19,680 on, but so I, I haven't played it myself, but it, it does seem 857 00:48:19,720 --> 00:48:24,040 very blatant to, and to the point where I'm also hearing a 858 00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:26,400 lot of people say that they called this out on on beta and 859 00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:29,680 it didn't get fixed, which is surprise. 860 00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:31,800 I, I don't know if that's true. Listen, World of Warcraft 861 00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:33,040 Reddit's a little bit of a cesspool. 862 00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:34,040 Much love. I'm there too. 863 00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:35,640 It's OK if you're on World of Warcraft Reddit. 864 00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:38,400 We're in this together. Nobody's happy there ever. 865 00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:39,960 It's insane. I didn't know it was possibly 866 00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:42,120 that unhappy all the time And I was on World of Warcraft 867 00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:48,960 Twitter, but it it like the the pictures they're showing and 868 00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:51,360 everything. It does seem pretty like surely 869 00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:54,880 someone contested this and didn't think that was OK. 870 00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:57,800 But it it also might be that they're picking like weird 871 00:48:57,800 --> 00:48:59,640 little dresses and stuff that are clipping through. 872 00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:02,200 But I I kind of believe that Manny, I, I wouldn't, I mean, I 873 00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:04,080 don't know. I don't know, I'm not there but. 874 00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:08,640 I also heard that it's, it's not just that, but it's also that 875 00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:11,520 their lore is a little bit scuffed. 876 00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:15,440 It doesn't go as deep as some people wanted it to go. 877 00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:21,000 They have had three different origins apparently for where the 878 00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:26,120 race comes from. So I've heard some people aren't 879 00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:28,680 super happy with that and they sort of feel like they don't 880 00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:30,440 know where they're going with the Heroner. 881 00:49:30,720 --> 00:49:32,800 Oh, I believe that. I believe that from playing a 882 00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:35,760 story, obviously. Yeah, having played the starting 883 00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:39,920 experience for the Heroner, right, it is one of the shortest 884 00:49:40,240 --> 00:49:46,480 starting experiences. They do not have it really well 885 00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:47,960 fleshed out. When you go through the here in 886 00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:50,400 our zone, they do talk about their origins. 887 00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:53,480 Like that's a big part of it, how they got to where they are, 888 00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:58,080 why they why they stay where they are, that sort of thing 889 00:49:58,600 --> 00:50:02,320 that has all kind of being in the story. 890 00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:05,480 And then when you do the starting experience, it's not 891 00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:12,520 really there, but I will say the legends of the Heronar, the, the 892 00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:16,600 end game experience, I think that's where a lot of the lore 893 00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:18,680 is. I of course, we've only had it 894 00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:22,040 for like the one week that I've been able to do it. 895 00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:29,360 And so I, I wonder if they wrote, they wrote this law and, 896 00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:34,200 and this is hidden away behind this end game thing that some 897 00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:39,080 people may never touch. Because like when you're going 898 00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:41,920 through these like relics that you're uncovering about like 899 00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:46,200 missing hair in our lore, it's not, I guess it's not the extra 900 00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:49,000 stuff that they're using to like build on top of what they 901 00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:51,040 normally would have. It's stuff that they normally 902 00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:52,680 would have that's kind of been tucked away. 903 00:50:53,160 --> 00:50:56,960 So I do want to, I do want to look at this because quite 904 00:50:56,960 --> 00:51:04,160 frankly, the legends of the here and there, that to me feels like 905 00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:08,000 the Dragonflight level renown where you would get to a certain 906 00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:11,680 level and then suddenly it's like big lore exposition or 907 00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:14,440 like, here's an event that like that may or may not lead 908 00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:16,160 somewhere. I'm looking at you stupid 909 00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:22,040 Dragonflight. But if it does land that way, I 910 00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:27,360 guess it's still a shame that it is away from players. 911 00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:29,680 I don't know. It's a very weird thing where 912 00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:32,840 this is a matter of how do you paste things in a video game? 913 00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:37,520 Where do you put them for the people who really do want to do 914 00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:42,880 see it and away from the people who just want to get their new 915 00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:48,880 druid looks or hunter with style, whatever they want to do. 916 00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:53,120 I will say, as in somebody who went void else came out like 917 00:51:53,160 --> 00:51:56,560 immediately worked so hard to unlock that and was so, so 918 00:51:56,560 --> 00:51:59,400 excited and was on the like World Warcraft forums telling 919 00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:01,280 everyone like, no guys, it's gonna be really cool. 920 00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:03,160 It's gonna be really cool. Don't worry about, it's gonna be 921 00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:06,000 really cool. Yeah, sometimes they launch the 922 00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:08,120 allied races and they don't do any lore, and then sometimes 923 00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:11,360 they forget they exist for like 4 expansions in a row. 924 00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:13,240 It's OK, They'll find them eventually. 925 00:52:13,240 --> 00:52:16,000 They'll be like, oh wait, if we're doing a void expansion, we 926 00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:18,080 have those. Don't we have some dude? 927 00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:20,200 Like, do we like the purple elves or something? 928 00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:21,520 And someone was like, that was a night born. 929 00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:25,400 No, wasn't there another? And then you got an extension 930 00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:27,000 where you're important again, and then you're no longer 931 00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:28,800 playing Void L. But still, it was cool. 932 00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:35,120 I was very happy with Void L participation in BFAI was like 933 00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:38,200 oh good, you remember they existed and same thing with 934 00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:40,720 Night Born. So I was I was happy for that. 935 00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:43,920 I'm glad that they're getting some due now. 936 00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:48,080 But yes, it's constant in World of Warcraft where it's like, 937 00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:52,800 Hey, big new rays. Look, it's the it's like the 938 00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:56,200 blood elves and the like the Aridor have now split it off 939 00:52:56,200 --> 00:52:58,720 into this deny thing and look how important they are. 940 00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:01,680 And then you get the wrath and it's like, who again, right? 941 00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:04,400 And they've just done it since day one, right? 942 00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:07,200 Over and over again. It's orcs, it's humans and the 943 00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:09,920 filler crew. Are you a background character 944 00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:12,880 or are you an Orca, a human? Oh, well. 945 00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:18,960 But yeah, I hope, I hope that the story is going to be built 946 00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:21,600 out. I really do love where every 947 00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:27,720 everybody's doing. Umbrick is only as annoying as 948 00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:30,880 the, what's his name? Magister. 949 00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:34,360 Holy Romanoff. Magister Holier than thou, 950 00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:40,120 Romanoff and his bickering expellative wife that they can't 951 00:53:40,120 --> 00:53:43,080 get over that they separated, get over each other. 952 00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:46,560 Wait, he has a wife? Anymore. 953 00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:49,480 No, no, Umbrick is the wife. Umbrick's the wife. 954 00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:51,400 Oh, oh, I got it. He's the wife. 955 00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:55,440 It's a. Beard I I mean anyways, like 956 00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:58,040 they're they're they're horrible to each other and they're 957 00:53:58,040 --> 00:53:59,880 horrible apart and they're horrible together. 958 00:54:01,680 --> 00:54:03,840 I hope that they get together or just die. 959 00:54:04,160 --> 00:54:08,560 Either way, Umbrick is a they're like characters. 960 00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:12,720 I I'm glad that like, I can actually say that Umbric has a 961 00:54:12,720 --> 00:54:15,000 character, which is not something I could have said 962 00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:19,200 strongly before this expansion, but we'll get into the story 963 00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:23,560 more in a future episode. Until next time, though, may all 964 00:54:23,560 --> 00:54:24,520 your hits be kits.