At 80 you do a full world world tour of delves and do all of
your delver colsquest but don't turn them in, you hold them.
That gets you to 81. Then 81 to 88 you level up
however you want. So either local stories and
every song and soleiman because they're tightly packed together.
Or if it's the the proper delve at shadow point you can do the
the delve farm where you just pull all of the trash and kill
it and then reset and do it again and again till 88.
And then once you hit 88 you turn in your delvers call quests
because they give a level and a bit no matter what level you
turn them in at. So if you save them for the last
levels then it saves you a huge amount of time.
And then you would tap top off the last .8% of your sorry .8 of
your level 80% of your level with crafting.
Yeah, first crafts victory for the Forsaken, for Lauderon for.
The. Karen Tour for.
Pandaria for. Calendar.
To. The burning region for Gilnaeus
has not died for the Lich King. For the Sindora, for the
Alliance, for. The Horn for Azeroth.
Hello and welcome back to another episode of For Azeroth.
My name is Manny and I am one of your hosts and joining me from
the Burrows of man. There's no BI.
Was going to say Burlington, but that's not.
Pennsylvania. Pennsylvania.
Coming from her palace in Pennsylvania, we have Lex Rance.
Hello Lex, How are you and how's the World of Warcraft treating
you on this midnight launch? I am good.
The World of Warcraft is treating me well.
I missed a couple days because I was out at a concert with some
friends, which is very fun. And then I went, came back, and
I've done almost nothing but play World of Warcraft in my
spare time. And then I'm going to say that
I'm not actually at Max level and everyone's going to say ha
ha ha ha, Lex, you're so slow. But really, I just don't have a
lot of spare time. I mean, the World of Warcraft
community is growing up. We, we all have, you know, jobs
and lives and such, at least at least some people.
But others are, are complaining that the World of Warcraft is
too woke. But we'll we'll ignore them
going to an actual Warcraft player.
Let's go to Sean. Hello, Sean.
And how's the World of Warcraft treating you?
Today what it do baby. Warcraft has been amazing fully
immersed in early access. Unlike Lex, I have no life
outside of Azeroth so I have spent all of my time there.
My ass has now fused to my beautiful Herman Miller air on
chair. We have become one.
Dear God, Well, I'm glad. I'm glad that you guys are all
enjoying it at your pace, I guess that is.
Of course, the big news of the week is that we have now joined
the ranks of the Army of the Light or Silver Moon or whatever
confluence thereof, and are fighting back the void in
midnight now and so. Hard ignored the void.
Alf, he call him. Nevermind.
I won't call him Terrellian because he said the voidals,
absolutely. Who's hanging out with them?
Some losers, probably. Listen, we don't talk about
those void tainted scum anyways, let's talk.
You know what? Let's talk about the initial
start. We'll avoid story spoilers.
I know it's early. We are now on day two of the
official release, but. Lex hasn't finished the intro
yet. I think all three of us did get
some time in on the early release, even if we decided to
skip it to listen to people in IRL, whatever that is.
So how did you guys enjoy the early release?
What did you do with your time? Lex, you had the shortest amount
of time. So let's start with you.
What did you do with your your time in the early release?
I did essentially nothing but leveling, which I like playing
through the the storyline, which I'm not I'm I'm almost done
with. I'm on the last third of Void
Storm, Void Spire. So we like we're almost there.
I actually was thinking it was very interesting this time how
quickly a thing that became. It was a luxury that allowed me
to relax and not stress became kind of an obligation this time
because I missed like a day and 1/2 of early access and I was so
stressed. I was like, all of my friends
are gonna be so far ahead of me. I'm already such a slow player.
I'm such a slow gear. I'm gonna be so far behind.
I need to like get on this and be pushing and pushing and
pushing because if not, I'm not gonna be ready for raid night
because and everyone's already gonna be, you know, doing their
mythic plus. And every time I see one of my
friends do like a heroic or something, I'm like, oh God, I
knew it. I knew I've been so far ahead of
me. So I'm trying to kind of let
that go. And in fact, I did lie a little
bit at the beginning of this episode.
I did take last night off because I realized that I was
already feeling a little bit of that like stress.
If I need to get things done, I need to get things done.
And I was like, if I burn myself out on the first day of the
expansion release, we're going to have a bad time.
So I had a nice little night. I snuggled with my dog.
I read a book, I relaxed. And then I came back in and I
ate dinner in front of the game today because I really want to
finish voice fire, But I'm having a lot of fun.
I, I am, I, I, I think having that extra time to play does
mean that I, this stress would have been so much more acute if
this was, you know, I'd missed a day and it was a week and a half
before the first rate unlocks. So I do really appreciate having
that extra time to play through and and feel a little bit more
wiggle room. That is, that's noteworthy how
quickly the the unusual benefit of early access has become sort
of normalized and almost expected.
Yeah, and I worry a lot about folks because it is really
expensive to get early access. And I, I hope that that anxiety
is me being insane and stupid and not a trickle down thing
that the people who don't have early access feel like they're
starting out behind. And like, to be clear, I, I
don't think anyone who's like, I don't think that if you didn't
have early access, you'd be grinding right now because it's
not going to be super far behind.
And I would certainly never expect that of like my team or
my friends or anything like that.
And so I, I hope truly and genuinely that this is me being
crazy and not that the game has kind of set this new expectation
that if you want to be prepared at the beginning of the release,
you have to have early access and you have to grind through
it. So you would never expect it
from your friends or your guildies or any of your family.
But somehow you started to expect it for your yourself.
OK. Yeah, take it up with my
therapist, Manny. I don't need to.
I'm already in your head. All right, Sean, how has your
initial foray into Silver Moon and the surrounding areas been?
I love it early. Act as I Blizzard if you're
listening, and you might be. I love early access.
Don't ever stop doing it. I know there are lots of folks
who are going to tell you it's predatory and it's capitalism at
its worst, and here's a bunch of reasons why you shouldn't do it.
I will pay so much more than you're already asking us to pay.
I absolutely love the early access window.
I actually would pay extras if somebody else couldn't get early
access. I I if I can pick the person,
but I actually I absolutely it's.
Me, he's like, if you're going to be that crazy, you really
got. To suck this this is for a this
I'm doing it because I love you. It's no I early.
The early access window was great that and we had four days
this time as opposed to three days.
It launched on Thursday evening at 7:00 PM my time, I think 6:00
PM Eastern and because that's how time zones work and I
started playing right away. But I like my bedtime is like in
when we're not in Prague season. My bedtime is like 10/30/11.
I hard stuck to it. I don't do demon hours.
I don't push all night long. I get up at 6630 when shadow
wakes me up. I play till 9:30 or 10 a couple
of nights because I was still quite a bit under the weather
from North Ren Live a couple of nights.
I went to bed early. I went to bed at like 9:00 and
just shut her down. But I with the War Within, I did
zone by zone, completing every quest in each zone as I went.
But I I tackled it with a different plan this time and I
just did. I mainlined the campaign and so
my first trip through was just campaign quests and I actually
feel like it made the campaign feel like a tighter, better
story than the War Within's main campaign was.
All of this with the exception of Herndar.
I have it has as like as of three hours ago or so it this my
opinion changed. But up until that point, I hated
the Herndar zone with a fiery burning passion.
And it's nothing to do with the Heroneer, it's nothing to do
with the questing. It's nothing to do with the zone
itself. It's because they forced me to
use dynamic flight in a zone that is just roots.
The whole the whole zone is just roots.
So every time I took off, I flew into something.
Every time I tried to go somewhere, I flew into
something. There's caves everywhere I
couldn't blitz. So Blizzard, I would pay so much
more for early access. But if you lock steady flight
behind Pathfinder again, I'm coming to the office and we're
going to have a chat because that's the dumbest decision I've
ever heard. I hated it so much and now I
want go ahead. This is very validating because
I was also constantly running into things on in in Heronier
and I was like, wow, when did I get so bad at flight that I
can't even go in a straight line?
I was wasting so many things, running into things five times
in a row because I thought that I turned enough and I hadn't.
Yeah, I hate it. I I typed in my guilt chat.
I hate her and are I hate the Heronier.
This is awful. And my GM who loves everything
Heronier was like, what are you talking about?
And I explained my problem. She was like, oh, you hate that
you're bad at flying you me. And I was like, Nope, I hate
Heroner. I hate the Heroner, I hate the
zone, I hate all of this. It's their fault.
She's like, OK, all right, maybe come back when you have
Pathfinder and you've unlocked steady flight and see how you
feel then. So anyway, I went back and did
the local stories and the zone is beautiful.
The stories are heart warming. Some of them are hilarious, but
that was like really angry at that zone for a long time, but
because of it. But I, the early access has been
a smash hit. It's, it allows me just like a
one within it allows me to slow down, take my time.
I got 3 characters level to 90. I got Loremaster done.
I just relaxed and was chill for four days, I guess five days
because I mean, I just finished levelling that third character
to 90 tonight. So.
But yeah, I, I really enjoyed it.
I thought it was a great launch. No, no disconnecting issues, no
zoning issues for me. I know some of the higher pop
realms had some issues at launch where they couldn't get in right
away for about 1520 minutes. But I'm my main is in a very low
pop realm. So it takes an act of God for us
not to be able to get on and play well.
But yeah, it was it was great. Did you how was your 'cause you
started right at launch, Manny, how was it for you?
Oh. Man, I really did enjoy it.
I was, I didn't do all the craziness to level, but like
what I do because I simply run through on the beta do soaking
in all those local stories, taking my sweet time so that
when I get on live, I can like rush ahead of like the big crowd
and like actually like get into spaces so I'm not fighting over
like tags and such. I enjoyed it.
I went through on like I've now levelled up my second character,
but that one I did in a the most inefficient way possible, like 9
and 9 point something levels of mining and herbing friends.
We we make it gold out here and enjoyed that.
I, I think that I have really come to love war mode again.
And I'm glad like we talked about the MMO of the game and
war mode helps with that in the most unusual way.
You are very aware of other players.
You become like aware when there's like a couple of the
opposite faction there and you're like, oh, oh, you become
aware of like when you see like a friendly player, like, oh,
maybe I'll quest along with them so I don't get like ambushed by
like that rogue I heard sneaking around or something.
And I love that the world comes alive like that cannot be done
in beta. You're like you're an island
onto yourself when you're playing in beta and PTR.
There's there's no population on the realms.
But dear God, if I make an attempt at one of those drops on
my server, I'm doing a four V1 I don't like.
Maybe more, I don't know. I'm already dead by the time I
count up that high. So it's just it's made the game
so much more fun for me. Do you abide by the rule, the
unwritten war mode rule of of expansion launch of if they
don't attack me, I leave them alone?
Or do you aggressively attack every alliance that you see?
I take that rule so far beyond the launch like I seldom like,
rarely ever initiate. Somebody comes at me, all right,
it's on. But like I.
I knew there was a reason I liked you, Manny.
I knew there was a reason. Can I tell you a story?
Can I tell you a story of It's really important in the Warcraft
space that we call out bad actors, especially when they're
in our friend groups? Can I tell you a story about war
mode and somebody who was being a bad actor and who did not like
being called out on it afterwards all?
Right, let's, let's hear it. It's not you.
So we had to. I won't mention the names.
I won't mention the names or the OR the ranges.
Yeah. So I had a friend who was
levelling in war mode and they weren't even like in the world
yet. They were like just outside of
the city or something doing, I can't remember what it was, but
they weren't like actively owed in in the new in the world doing
stuff. And somebody saw them who was
the opposite faction and killed them.
OK, fair play. I mean, they're in warm mode.
They get it. That's, you know, par for the
course. Unfortunate, but so be it.
So they they come back to their body, they resurrect, the person
is still there. They kill them again, so they go
back to their body, they come back, they're like, OK, now it's
getting a little bit much and they kill them again.
So that this person was camping was farming them and camping
them. So my friend reports them for
for griefing or whatever. And then they're 'cause my
friend hangs out in Discord while they play.
Somebody from the Guild who's not like in the Guild but is
like a friend of the Guild or adjacent, pops into Discord and
starts laughing and says, hey, is this your character?
And my friend said, yeah, that's my character.
And they said, oh, I've been killing you.
And my friend was like, you have ruined my morning.
And they laughed harder. So anyway that that has been
rectified. That situation has been, you
know, that is not acceptable. The camping is wrong.
But when somebody tells you that you've done something that has
upset them, the response isn't to laugh at them.
The response is to apologize and be a decent human being.
That I believe that person has been removed from our circles,
but don't that's the lesson here is like in this case, they
happen to know who why they didn't know that they knew who
they were the camping. That's just something apparently
they do for fun. If you're somebody like I get
warm mode, you want to kill somebody because you see the
warm mode that's cool. But if you're like actively
camping and framing somebody, you're an asshole.
Don't do that. Don't be that person.
Don't be like that person, be like Manny and and I the issue I
have I think is with PV peers, like PvP mains in general, I
just feel like a lot of them really just want to be bullies.
They don't enjoy fair fights. They're not interested in
fighting somebody of the same item level or the same skill.
They only want to pick on people who aren't as good as them.
And that's why they get so upset when things like the training
grounds come out and suddenly all of the people who aren't as
good at PvP aren't in the battlegrounds to get farmed by
these guys and instead they're fighting bots.
Anyway, that's my rant. I'm so glad that you don't
initiate first Manny. Usually it confirms that I what
I thought and that you are a good person.
Well, I think that there are reasons to engage and it is PvP,
it is fair game. I think that generally during
this launch window, there are, there are those extremes I have
heard of like people with early access that once they reached 90
and they're like, oh, the fresh meats coming in, they were
waiting. And that is, that is horrible.
But I have also heard like that it's broken out into like big,
big fights like back in the classic days.
Because like I, I grew up on a PvP server.
I can actually say grew up now because World of Warcraft is so
old and I could say it was part of my formative year.
So like I, I like war mode and PvP servers have been just
something that I have done for so long and I have loved when
conflicts have sparked. And so like everybody calls in
their Guild and then it's a big flashpoint and suddenly we've
got like the big fight. Like you would have it Brill and
and and Torin Mill were like all or crossroads or any of those
those sort of places. And some of that has actually
happened already. And I I think that's wonderful.
That's why they have the drops to like get people to come
together for that sort of stuff and have some flash PvP.
I sometimes don't kill anybody and find the victory and getting
away without getting without getting camped.
It's like, Oh my goodness, all right, camp.
I don't have fresh shock as a part of my main rotation, but
like being able to snare and get away and and be like, oh, oh, I
made it mount up and going. Oh, no, here comes the rogue and
gets me. Those are stories.
Those are those aren't in the a, a disruption to my gameplay.
That's part of my gameplay and I and I think that's great.
It's just that when you're in the mode like I was at the
beginning of this, this recording where it's like, Hey,
listen, I just, I need to get this thing done.
So I'll turn off war mode and I'll go do the thing because I'm
going to AFK while recording and obviously I don't want to get
get sniped off on that. So war mode has its place, War
mode has time when people don't want to do that, and it's half
the time. There's a lot of people who just
don't want to do that, and I'm glad it's there for them to opt
out. But yeah, that was the initial
part of it. So, Sean, you've got three 90s
now. Yeah, yeah, my warrior, my
Paladin and my Demon Hunter are 90.
And how many more are you you planning to work on?
I will do by bear on EU and then I will do Death Knight and Monk
on NA. This is Monk's in a really good
spot this season. All of with the Death Knight is
for like the vast majority of people.
Death Knight is fine. So what I'm about to say it
probably doesn't apply to you, but Death Knight feels a little
clunky. Death Knight is the only one of
the six tanks that's like this maybe doesn't feel great, but
all of the other like we are in a renaissance era of tanks right
now. All of the other 5 tanks feel
exceptionally good. Depending on your group comp, I
could see any of them being in like top 1% keys, top .1% keys,
and they all feel really well. They're all going to clear the
rate easily. They're all going to do do do
dungeons really well and death night will is death night will
do fine. If you're doing weekly twelves,
if you're doing myth grading, any of that or below, death
night will be fine. It's just if you're like death
knight isn't as competitive as the other 5 when it comes to
like the the top end First off. But anyway, it's going to I'm
going to have all six tanks to go.
This is the first season. I haven't really ever done monk
before. It's just brewmaster for
whatever reason, has never jived with me.
But I was playing it on the beta a little bit and it felt really
good. So I'm going to give brew, you
know, an average testing. You'll just be like plus
twelves, that kind of thing. I doubt I will raid on it at
all. So just some mythic plus stuff.
But I'm really excited for it. And we have a listener who is
manning Brewmaster who had asked me if I could help them with
some tank tips and stuff. And so I wanted to make sure
that I was able to speak to the class that they're playing from
a position of experience as opposed to just from reading.
OK. All right.
So yeah, all six, all 6 tanks, and maybe, yeah, maybe my rogue.
My original character was a rogue.
And when I did that slash, played that account, played add
on that went around, I was shocked to find that rogue was
my #2 most played character still above warrior, above like
it was Paladin. And then Rogue was #2 and I
haven't played my rogue since Wrath of the Lich King, and
really not since Burning Crusade and very, and Burner Crusade was
like a hard swap to prop out. So it was only played very
little in Burner Crusade. So I, I obviously put way too
much hours on vanilla on my rogue, but it kind of made me
want to get a little stabby. So maybe we'll maybe we'll
dabble with some rogue. OK, I feel like that is a lot to
are they all? Are they going to have them all
raid ready? No, no, no, no.
So for the raid, it'll be my prop warrior, prop paladin and
death knight. The death knight is just in case
that there's anything that like require grips.
The role I fill on our team is I'm the the third slash
emergency tank. So if one of our tanks misses a
raid knight or if we need like if you need a custom, not neat,
but if a, if a specific tank class makes your life easier
that one of our two main tanks is in playing, then I will fill
that role. And then I 21st man.
Aside from that, So last year, because of you know, what
happened, I ended up tanking 5 of 8 Prague bosses, including
the last three. So yeah, it just was just the
way that it went. But yeah, so my, my death knight
will be ready to go. My warrior will be ready to go.
And my paladin is the one that I'm tanking in the one day a
week killed on on the weekends on an 8.
Now I say that, but I mean, really, if I'm doing mythic plus
on them, the rest of them will be close to go like they would
all be able to rate heroic. But just whether or not I put
them in mythic because the, the goal will be when I hit what I
typically do is any tank that I'm not maning will get, you
know, one or the other one or two boxes in the vault a week on
the myth track and just sort of passively keeping them close.
Well, the rest of the, the characters are they, they start,
they'll start off probably just going hero track stuff, delve
stuff for probably the first three weeks or 4 weeks.
And then and Lex is laughing at me because.
I just the concept of like, Oh yeah, I'm just going to like
passively get them ready by getting one myth track in the
vault every week. The most passive thing is it
just it basically just pops up in your vault, right?
You just log in, you have vault. I don't know where that came
from. That's not a logging bonus.
What? Sometimes when I describe things
that I do from a casual standpoint, I feel like Lex
thinks that they're not as casual as I think they're I
think. If you're happy, I'm happy,
Sean, and I understand that for you this feels very low impact
and very casual, and that's fair and valid.
I think if you tried to play the way that I played, you would go
crazy. Yeah, we got to run your own
race, right. We got to run your own race.
Yeah. So I guess yes, Manny, they are
all going to be semi raid ready, but only really two to three.
We'll know pretty early on with them.
But your plan has had them heroic geared with a slow
increase of mythic geared. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.
Yeah, OK. That, that removes some
subjective terms from that gives Lex a little bit of a free OK.
And then Lex, on your end, you're you're now levelling up.
You've already talked about like the keeping up with the Joneses.
I can't believe that John's conversation and description
could have made anything feel like a little bit better for
you. But all the same, what's your
plans as we like head from this early release, we're now in the
full release. Next week we will be sorry,
right? This week we've got Mythic
zeros. I apologize.
And then the week of the 17th is work week.
OK, so, so then what's your plans?
I am going to do my best to kind of let some of this stress off
mostly, so I think I'm going to try to take it a little bit
chiller than I have. One thing I have come to
understand about myself through this like beginning of this
expansion is that I am at core as much as a human can know
themselves. I am a havoc Demon Hunter.
That is the most true I, I, I have no interest in anything
else I've done vengeance for like follower dungeons and I
realized it was not fun and I was not enjoying it.
And I think I kind of need to put my tank dreams on the shelf
and accept that I really want a tank because it's fun to get
into dungeons easily and have all your friends be like, Oh
yeah, that's going to be super helpful, but I do not enjoy it.
It is not a thing that makes me happy.
It is a thing that makes me stressed and also means I have
to sit there in one stupid little spot like a stupid little
idiot, and then I do my stupid little rotation and I don't even
backflip once. They don't even let you backflip
once in the Vengeance Demon Hunter rotation.
It's I mean that you can, you have whatever.
Yeah, ventral retreat. I'm like, I, I swear I have.
Ventral Retreat, Vengeful Retreat out, Infernal Strike
back in it's big damage. So much fun.
I will then do that. Yeah, I take it back.
I guess I gotta do that, but I, I, I think I really love the
havoc play style. I, I also think honestly,
vengeance feels a little bit like more like the, the, the
rotation is a little bit more complex.
And I think my little lazy self enjoys the fact that I get to
zoom around and rush. But also it's a very clear
rotation where I always know exactly what button I'm going to
press next. And a lot of that is also
because I've spent hours studying the Havoc rotation and
I've spent like 30 minutes without studying Vengeance.
But anyway, so on the plus side, multiple guildies of mine are
now saying, you know, it would be really fun.
It's tanking. And I'm like, yeah, you do that.
You do that. Do you need ADPS?
Would that be fun? Lex, can I just I, I just, I
don't want you to give up on the tank dream just yet.
I I want you to know that the follower dungeons right now in
the current state are the absolute worst they've ever
been. I reported Krenna for griefing.
Krenna, the Earth Mother. That's the healer.
It's Meriti. Huntswell is fantastic.
She's the maid. She gives us a table every day.
I have nothing bad to say, but Meriti Huntswell, Austin
Huxworth is the hunter. He can get launched into the
sun. And I don't know what Krenna
even does. I've never, I don't know what
like Krenna was programmed to only DPS and pull mobs.
She does no healing, she does no resurrecting.
She is. It's the absolute purest pug
simulator I've ever seen in my life, so don't judge how awful
tanking was based on I. I spent 45 minutes in the den of
Nalarak and hadn't killed the second boss because they just
kept dying. I'm so I was so I I will never
go back into following dungeons again.
Except to get my my mage food from Meridi Huntswell, thank
you, Meridi. So don't judge.
I would ask that you'd run some normal dungeons, run some heroic
dungeons, get a group of friends together so you're in a
comfortable group where you're not stressed.
Don't judge your tanking experience based on what I can
only assume is Blizzard's attempt to push players into
organized dungeon groups. Because the follower dungeon,
and it's fantastic at that, because the follower dungeons
are awful right now. They're so bad.
Like I'm not that bad at managing aggro man.
Well you're taking. I honestly didn't realize you
were taking it from follower dungeons.
They they are. Awful.
You can. Say I want to say like Sean
needs to be nuanced, void hyperbole, blah, blah, blah blah
blah. Unfortunately, no lie was said
today. It is.
It's just it is not. It's not there.
It's not like I think they actively said like no, no, you
got to give them the the ability of the butt pool or like not go
anywhere or like like I did the follower dungeons that were
required for the campaign as if I was doing a delve.
I said screw it, make sure my defenses are up because I'm
going to pull, make sure my damage is ready so that I can do
this. And then I just they were just
around and I and I also the first time I stepped into like
the final dungeon, again, avoiding story spoilers, the
final dungeon in the chain, I 100% just cleared everything
that I knew was going to be butt pulled because they'd like at
that point. It just was in my head from like
the poor experiences before. Yeah, it was like being back in
the Navy. Denev Nalarak has this segment.
It was. So I have to explain this.
There's this segment after the first boss where you're on this
long stretch and there's a gust of wind that pushes everybody
back. And it felt like I was in the
Navy because the four people in my priority spent the entire
time halfway across the map getting blown.
And it was. I just wanted them to follow me.
I've pinged the rocks. Like a little blue here.
They pinged the rocks. They were like, hey, hide behind
this rock. Austin Hucksworth pinged the
rock. Hide behind this rock.
You're safe behind this rock. Ping, ping, ping, ping, ping.
And then he stood in the middle and got blown back to the
entrance, pulled three more packs and died.
It was the worst 45 minutes. And then I was like, you know
what? Maybe I'll just queue for a
normal. Yeah.
So that's a, that's a hot tip for everybody.
All of your quest dungeons that are required where it's like
queue for a follow dungeon, you don't have to do any of them on
follower. You can do them all in the
normal queue. I recommend that the the people
will be at least 50% better than the followers at minimum.
OK, I'll, I'll, I'll go back to trying to play with real people
and give that a couple shots before I declare that I am
completely done with Venture. OK, thank you.
I would also say WEX that raid tanking is different than
dungeon tanking and having somebody who's your Co tank also
alleviates a lot of this stress. Re tanking is very fun except
the issue is that I'm a terrible tank and the other the only
person I've Co tanked with is a God.
Like literally he is parsing purples every single time and so
I can't hold aggro. Like the poor man literally has
to start doing a bad job of playing so that he will not pull
aggro off of me. But conceptually, I love raid
tanking. But also we do have all of those
slots full and we try not to put two officers.
Maybe this is actually just in my head.
I don't know if this is a universal thing, but I try not
to put two officers in a very like, well desired spot.
So I wouldn't want to take the second spot and make it a double
officer tanking pool. But yeah, yeah, no, I I like to
be fair though, I do really love Havoc.
Like this is what I have gotten the most out of this is I just
there is no moment in my life that is more joyful than like
vengeful retreat cell rush. I-beam, essence, break the play,
dance, whatever the Green 1 is, a million times like that is the
most pure joy that I have and ever will experience.
I will say on the follower dungeon though, just to really
bring back up some old pain, they have a lot of casters.
It's like every single pack we have one minimum.
It's crazy. I don't know what Sean was
talking about until I started doing dungeons and I'm like, Oh
my God, that's a lot of casters. Now let's say fixed that.
They addressed that. Yeah, they addressed that.
Didn't. Don't you remember the blue
posts? They did.
There used to be like two or three pastors in like every pack
and NASA's down to 1. So you're like, OK, listen guys,
the most we can do if everybody is on top of their, their
interrupts is 4 packs or we're going to be suffering one
getting and getting off casts. Like it's just, it's what limits
you guys. And if you're doing follower
dungeons, if you're doing normal dungeons, if you're doing heroic
dungeons, if you're doing mythic 0 dungeons, you don't need to
pull everything in the room up into the boss and, and, and
cleave them down from the boss. That is not necessarily the
Strat you need to do a. Lot more fun though.
Oh my God, get out of get out of a big boss mode.
It's fine there. There's a drawback to it, and
that is that you can't control everything.
I will admit it was very fun to do that in a follower dungeon.
You just then die. Like there's a moment where
you're like, I am a tanking God. Every single thing in this room
is looking at me. And then half of them get pulled
off because they're only targeting whatever is the
furthest away from you and they run halfway across the freaking
map. And then you die anyway because
you're not getting heals. Thank you, Sean.
I feel much more validated than I thought it.
Was Krenna she's she's the worst.
I think she's a plant. I honestly I think I think the
dungeons pay her to to not heal us.
See just the the vile Manch trolls are like Hey Karena.
You want some juju? You can't trust those torrents,
OK? But as people are moving through
this week, Mythic Zeros are now open, people who have early
access like Sean have like got multiple tunes up to cap and
people are looking to gear up. So this end game for the people
who have experienced it, how have been doing that?
How's that landing for you right now, Sean?
10 out of 10, yeah, I've had, everything's been great.
If you're looking to gear up, go do world quests.
They're dropping like 230 item level.
You basically don't have to do a heroic.
Oh, you're pausing me, man. He doesn't.
Want no, I, I, I, I, I do think world quests are the key to
levelling up. I don't think you should be
doing them right away. I think because world quests as
you're as you're levelling world quests.
Like not levelling at at Max level I'm.
Talking, yeah, yeah, like if you've got a second one, you can
do world quests as you're levelling, right.
But as you are levelling up your item level, not as you're
levelling up your your actual level.
World quests are adjusting, right?
So when you first hit cap they're not giving you as high
item level. You don't.
They only adjust when they spawn.
Once it's spawned it's locked in.
It will go up as your item level goes up, but once that world
Crest, once that world quest spawns, I don't think it adjusts
after it's active, so there's no point to wait.
I don't. I don't believe it does, but
yeah, maybe I'm wrong. I mean, you might be right, but
I would say that like you're still with whatever limited time
you have, right? You're better off hitting things
that are fixed item levels that aren't going to adjust.
Pray has a high chance of like the first two preys that you do
at any difficulty. So you're see, there's the thing
you're doing them. You should be doing them
together. Pick up your prey, go do your
world quests, because as you're doing your world quests, you're
contributing to your prey. Don't do them separate, do pick
up. Like don't ever be in the world
doing anything without a prey active.
So you've, you want 2 normal prey, 2 hard prey once you get
them unlocked and then always be, always have a prey active
when you're in the world doing those world quests.
So you're double dipping. Yeah.
And then you're going to complete them at the same time,
you'll get veteran pieces from your first two hard praise and
your world quests. It works.
World quests are also on a timer, so you want to make sure
you get those before they cycle over to the next ones.
And you can actually do PvP world quests now without going
into war mode. And they're also giving you, I
don't know if it's intended or not, but you should be doing
that because they're giving rewards as well.
You don't like. You almost never have to go into
war mode. It's crazy.
There is a quest that you get in the Void Storm that gives you
like that champion trinket, that 246 trinket.
That's something I would prioritize because that's going
to. Yeah, so you get, so there's
actually 44 champion track items you can get from the renowned
tracks. You need Renown 9 with Eversong,
Renown 9 with so Le Mans, I think it's Renowned 8 with
Herrinar and then Renowned 7 with Storms, Voidstar or
Voidstorm. And you can get that by just
clearing all the local quests. So if you do the campaign and
the local quests, you'll have each of the renowns you need and
you don't even need to finish all the local quests for Herrin
Dare and Voidstorm. So you want to go get those.
In order to get those, you pick up a quest.
Once you hit the renown level, you pick up a quest to get them
and then the quest is to do the zone event.
So don't do those zone events until you have picked up the
quest. So get your renown up first and
do it. That gives you 4246 champion
track pieces. 1 of 6 champion track, it's a belt, a trinket, a
hat, and a neck. That's what you get from those.
And then fill in your world quests for other pieces that
you're missing. And then at that point you
should be somewhere around 232 thirty plus maybe for your item
level. Then just you can go right into
mythic zeros. There's no reason to do heroic
dungeons. I mean, you can go in and fill
gaps if you have them in heroic dungeons, but I would save that
because you got you're going to get 2 rounds of mythic 0 in
there and you're going to get two weeks of prey quests and
that's 4 cycles of world quests as well.
It's it's really easy right now to get.
You're probably looking at 24240 ish is where most players, if
you're like trying to be as geared as you can to go into
normal raid, that 240 ish range, I think it's probably going to
be around where people will be heading into normal raid on the
17th and that is like it requires such little effort.
It's just your renowns and then world quests and do your mythic
0 world wars if you just. Do the entire zone and all of
the side quests and then also world quests.
Then you just basically they give you a piece of gear.
If you don't do an entire lore master, they're just handing out
gear like Handy. Everyone's gonna have that.
I will say Lex, that if you just do the core like MSQ quest, you
end the level up campaign at like 87.
You have three more levels that you have to make up.
So like doing the side quests is is definitely something I would
suggest suggest for people. Obviously if you do every side
quest, you'll be like 86 before you leave Silver Moon.
I've seen it happen. So like there's a balance in it,
yes. Do you think people are
listening to this show going? This guy literally plays the
game for a living telling me how easy it is to just do
everything. That's why I'm here, Sean.
I'm here for the person who's like, but also some of us had
early access and we're level 87 and said, OK, take a night,
lead, snuggle your puppy. It's gonna be OK.
It's just a video game. Run your own race.
You gotta find. You gotta run your own race.
I think that's the point of the show, is to have the different
perspectives, yes. Sean, you see some of us have
jobs. You do too.
It's World of Warcraft. Gainfully employed.
Yeah, it's true. It's true.
And very few few parts of your job require that you are
actually playing. It's drag, so that's true.
I do have to do a lot of video editing.
Yeah. So like, so you play at the
level that you play at for the love of the game.
And I think that people who like share your passion and share
your your love to play at the level that you do can resonate
with that. And people who might feel that
that is not their speed can resonate with with other people,
right? Like Lex, like.
To be fair, most people listening to World of Warcraft
podcasts are probably not level 87 right now.
Like, I'm well aware that I am on this podcast as a, you know,
most of the listeners are probably listening like, girl,
you don't have Loremaster yet. But if you don't, it's OK.
I don't either, babes. I, I, I would love people who
are listening to this to just give a comment on if you have
Loremaster, right, Sojourner, let's just say Sojourner, if you
have the Sojourner achievement and when you got it, I'd like to
get just like a general vibe for it because I don't think that's
the majority of listeners. I do, listeners.
I believe in you. Manny might not believe in you,
but I believe in you. I believe that you're all
Loremaster 230 plus ready to rock.
I need to believe it. OK, well.
Where can they tell us? Where can they tell us the
answer to your question? Honestly, anywhere that they
find the show, you can leave comments on Spotify.
You can leave the comments on iTunes.
You can join us in the discord at bit dot LY slash fast discord
and let us know there or track US down on Twitter.
The the show has the the Twitter account and we'll just give us a
little shout out. We'll we'll we will read it.
We one of us will and then complain to the other two.
I won't say which anyways, yeah, I think, I think that there's so
much that is happening right now with World of Warcraft.
It's such a good launch that like I have very few complaints.
I think that they, this has been one of the smoothest launches,
one of the best level up experiences I've had.
I just am terrified because of the war within that we're going
to get the 12 point 0.5 patch and it's going to be like,
here's this Mac Guffin that has zero foundation.
And and because that's what we decided to have the story do
instead of things that are leading somewhere like I, there
are story elements that genuinely made me sad for the
wrong reasons. And I will get into that as we
give people more time to play play this game.
But mechanically, just pace wise, this is this has been a
great launch. What do you say, Lex?
Just to this is not an experience I've had, but just to
validate the people who I I'm sure are screaming at their
phones right now. I have heard the Hera near
players are unhappy campers. It seems like that is a little
bit of a technical mess, but I don't play hair near so I'm
having a very good time. I have also been really enjoying
the story and getting to take my time.
I have kind of the reverse experience of you, Manny, where
I'm really feeling deeply entrenched in the MMO because
I'm not playing war mode and I'm feeling a lot of the moments of
like you see someone like kind of like sidestepping towards you
with a huge pack and you're like, OK baby, yeah, I can give
you an i-beam. No worries, honey.
You bring those right over here. We'll do this together.
No fuzz. So I am, I'm, I'm really feeling
that early expansion energy and then joy and excitement and
everyone's just having fun and there's just things to do.
I, I, yeah, I'm and I love Havoc.
I love Havoc so much. I'm never playing Devour.
It's good for you guys that enjoy Devour.
It's not me. I want to go foul rush
everywhere and I'm I'm doing it and I'm so happy.
And Sean, what's your closing thoughts here?
It's great, great launch, great fun and run your own race,
whatever. Wherever you find joy, you find
that joy. I also have heard the hare near
people who are unhappy. I was wonderful.
It might just be that they're mad at dynamic flight.
So for the people who might not know what you're alluding to,
please enlighten us to what the issue is with the here and
there. Oh, I've heard the mogs are just
busted. Like the everything is is
everything's clipping. You can see the like underwear
through clothes. You shouldn't be able to see it
through. Like it's just and just just not
designed the way that it really should be at launch for an
allied race. But I mean, they just, you know,
on the other hand, housing stuff looks really pretty.
They the number of housing things they're showing me.
Do you guys, do you guys recall ages ago when World of Warcraft
was talking about AI and one of the acceptable uses they said
was adjusting armor to the to the different races?
I'm wondering I'm wondering if this was the work of Claude or
Cat GPT. I believe it because to be fair,
again, I'd like just. I'm just pulling this off of
like World of Warcraft Reddit, which, you know, sad place to be
on, but so I, I haven't played it myself, but it, it does seem
very blatant to, and to the point where I'm also hearing a
lot of people say that they called this out on on beta and
it didn't get fixed, which is surprise.
I, I don't know if that's true. Listen, World of Warcraft
Reddit's a little bit of a cesspool.
Much love. I'm there too.
It's OK if you're on World of Warcraft Reddit.
We're in this together. Nobody's happy there ever.
It's insane. I didn't know it was possibly
that unhappy all the time And I was on World of Warcraft
Twitter, but it it like the the pictures they're showing and
everything. It does seem pretty like surely
someone contested this and didn't think that was OK.
But it it also might be that they're picking like weird
little dresses and stuff that are clipping through.
But I I kind of believe that Manny, I, I wouldn't, I mean, I
don't know. I don't know, I'm not there but.
I also heard that it's, it's not just that, but it's also that
their lore is a little bit scuffed.
It doesn't go as deep as some people wanted it to go.
They have had three different origins apparently for where the
race comes from. So I've heard some people aren't
super happy with that and they sort of feel like they don't
know where they're going with the Heroner.
Oh, I believe that. I believe that from playing a
story, obviously. Yeah, having played the starting
experience for the Heroner, right, it is one of the shortest
starting experiences. They do not have it really well
fleshed out. When you go through the here in
our zone, they do talk about their origins.
Like that's a big part of it, how they got to where they are,
why they why they stay where they are, that sort of thing
that has all kind of being in the story.
And then when you do the starting experience, it's not
really there, but I will say the legends of the Heronar, the, the
end game experience, I think that's where a lot of the lore
is. I of course, we've only had it
for like the one week that I've been able to do it.
And so I, I wonder if they wrote, they wrote this law and,
and this is hidden away behind this end game thing that some
people may never touch. Because like when you're going
through these like relics that you're uncovering about like
missing hair in our lore, it's not, I guess it's not the extra
stuff that they're using to like build on top of what they
normally would have. It's stuff that they normally
would have that's kind of been tucked away.
So I do want to, I do want to look at this because quite
frankly, the legends of the here and there, that to me feels like
the Dragonflight level renown where you would get to a certain
level and then suddenly it's like big lore exposition or
like, here's an event that like that may or may not lead
somewhere. I'm looking at you stupid
Dragonflight. But if it does land that way, I
guess it's still a shame that it is away from players.
I don't know. It's a very weird thing where
this is a matter of how do you paste things in a video game?
Where do you put them for the people who really do want to do
see it and away from the people who just want to get their new
druid looks or hunter with style, whatever they want to do.
I will say, as in somebody who went void else came out like
immediately worked so hard to unlock that and was so, so
excited and was on the like World Warcraft forums telling
everyone like, no guys, it's gonna be really cool.
It's gonna be really cool. Don't worry about, it's gonna be
really cool. Yeah, sometimes they launch the
allied races and they don't do any lore, and then sometimes
they forget they exist for like 4 expansions in a row.
It's OK, They'll find them eventually.
They'll be like, oh wait, if we're doing a void expansion, we
have those. Don't we have some dude?
Like, do we like the purple elves or something?
And someone was like, that was a night born.
No, wasn't there another? And then you got an extension
where you're important again, and then you're no longer
playing Void L. But still, it was cool.
I was very happy with Void L participation in BFAI was like
oh good, you remember they existed and same thing with
Night Born. So I was I was happy for that.
I'm glad that they're getting some due now.
But yes, it's constant in World of Warcraft where it's like,
Hey, big new rays. Look, it's the it's like the
blood elves and the like the Aridor have now split it off
into this deny thing and look how important they are.
And then you get the wrath and it's like, who again, right?
And they've just done it since day one, right?
Over and over again. It's orcs, it's humans and the
filler crew. Are you a background character
or are you an Orca, a human? Oh, well.
But yeah, I hope, I hope that the story is going to be built
out. I really do love where every
everybody's doing. Umbrick is only as annoying as
the, what's his name? Magister.
Holy Romanoff. Magister Holier than thou,
Romanoff and his bickering expellative wife that they can't
get over that they separated, get over each other.
Wait, he has a wife? Anymore.
No, no, Umbrick is the wife. Umbrick's the wife.
Oh, oh, I got it. He's the wife.
It's a. Beard I I mean anyways, like
they're they're they're horrible to each other and they're
horrible apart and they're horrible together.
I hope that they get together or just die.
Either way, Umbrick is a they're like characters.
I I'm glad that like, I can actually say that Umbric has a
character, which is not something I could have said
strongly before this expansion, but we'll get into the story
more in a future episode. Until next time, though, may all
your hits be kits.