1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,320 I don't want to live in a world where we are in the, you know, 2 00:00:03,520 --> 00:00:06,960 vanilla and BC days where you were constantly battling for 3 00:00:06,960 --> 00:00:10,480 threat and it was the only thing a tank could focus on was threat 4 00:00:11,040 --> 00:00:14,240 and nothing else. That is not engaging and that's 5 00:00:14,240 --> 00:00:17,240 not fun, Forsaken. For Lord Iran. 6 00:00:17,720 --> 00:00:21,760 For the Karen tour for. Pandaria. 7 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:25,240 For. Calendar to the. 8 00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:33,440 Burning region for Gilnaeus, but has not died, for the Lich King, 9 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:37,960 for the Cindori, for the Alliance. 10 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:42,360 For. The Horde for Azeroth. 11 00:00:43,680 --> 00:00:47,960 Hello and welcome back to another episode of For Azeroth. 12 00:00:48,160 --> 00:00:51,880 I am one of your hosts Manny AKA Truvilla Manny and of course I 13 00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:55,640 am joined by my 2 Co hosts first introducing Lex. 14 00:00:55,880 --> 00:00:57,000 Lex how are you? I'm. 15 00:00:57,520 --> 00:01:02,040 Great Manny, I have AOTC. Congratulations. 16 00:01:02,360 --> 00:01:04,560 Congratulations to you and Timbermont Tavern. 17 00:01:05,720 --> 00:01:07,080 This will. Work out treating me great. 18 00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:11,840 I dally dead in all the the levels that I care about. 19 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:13,320 You mythic Raiders, good for you. 20 00:01:14,320 --> 00:01:16,800 Got it. OK, and and what about the the 21 00:01:16,960 --> 00:01:20,160 story mode Raiders? Have we forgotten about story 22 00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:21,520 mode? Like I swear people have 23 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:24,080 forgotten about story mode You. Can't also forget about story 24 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:27,960 mode. OK, I mean, well again, all the 25 00:01:27,960 --> 00:01:30,720 modes that you care about I. Did both of those. 26 00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:35,360 Got it. Wait, that means that you're 27 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:37,040 missing another one? I'm guessing LFR then? 28 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:39,600 I no, no, you know what? No in all. 29 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:41,480 No, she said 2. So no, I'm going to go with 30 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:42,080 normal. And heroic. 31 00:01:42,080 --> 00:01:45,080 I forgot that LFR existed but I have killed Galliwigs and LFR 32 00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:46,640 because it gives you so much rap. 33 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:52,080 I see. OK, I, I at some point I'm going 34 00:01:52,080 --> 00:01:57,320 to go back and do the raid when it's on like legacy mode. 35 00:01:57,680 --> 00:02:01,600 I just can't be bothered to go through it right now to try and 36 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:05,840 get to like the Galaggio renowned Track 20 and that it's 37 00:02:06,080 --> 00:02:09,479 no, I'm I'm done with this raid. Moving You're not doing your 38 00:02:09,479 --> 00:02:12,240 weekly farms to keep your renowned track up to date. 39 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:15,840 No, but Manny. How are you going to get top DPS 40 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:17,520 against the bosses that you're done with? 41 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:20,000 I'm assuming you're just done with rating for the season then? 42 00:02:20,280 --> 00:02:23,880 Yeah, yeah, very, very much. And then that voice that you 43 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:26,760 just heard, of course, was Sean. Sean, hello. 44 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:31,480 Hello Sir, how are you? I mean I'm OK, but my question 45 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:33,040 is how is the World of Warcraft treating you? 46 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:35,720 World of Warcraft has treated me pretty good. 47 00:02:35,720 --> 00:02:38,960 I am deep in my alt arc right now. 48 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:42,400 It's the postseason. It is alt era, my alt era. 49 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:44,080 That's right. It's it's famous. 50 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:46,080 I've heard people talking about the alt era. 51 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:49,960 I have fallen in love with Paladin again. 52 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:53,040 Prop Paladin was the first tank I ever played and it is the tank 53 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:57,760 I have mained in the most tears. But I haven't played it since 54 00:02:57,760 --> 00:03:01,760 Aberyst and I went back. I got me never leveled one up 55 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:04,280 and geared him up to like a passable level. 56 00:03:04,280 --> 00:03:07,760 But I haven't like really put any effort in since Aberyst. 57 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:10,960 I've been playing with him and I got to tell you, I think I am 58 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:16,880 ready to start dancing at the Pink Pally Club because it is 59 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:20,320 just all the rights vibes IE today. 60 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:22,520 So Divine Toll if you're a protection palate and if you 61 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:24,720 ever play protection Palate and if you ever watch someone play 62 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:28,920 protection palate, Divine Toll is the single most impactful and 63 00:03:28,920 --> 00:03:30,440 fun button you can press in the game. 64 00:03:30,720 --> 00:03:33,880 You launch 5 Shields into the enemies, you hear a giant bell 65 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:35,760 toll, they bounce all over the place. 66 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:39,440 It's instant snap threat, it's an AOE silence, and you look 67 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:42,880 like a golden God spewing discs of vengeance from your body. 68 00:03:43,720 --> 00:03:46,840 However, since I haven't played them, a sensitive hero talents 69 00:03:46,840 --> 00:03:48,960 came in to any level that mattered. 70 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:51,840 I have discovered that Hammer of Light, which is the Templar 71 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:57,520 ability, is the second most impactful and fun button you can 72 00:03:57,520 --> 00:04:01,600 press in the game. You cast Hammer of Light and 73 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:07,360 just a rain of golden hammers from the sky # into the enemies 74 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:09,680 in front of you, crushing your foes before you. 75 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:15,720 Anyway, Long story short, if there are two scenarios right 76 00:04:15,720 --> 00:04:20,959 now, Scenario one, we have a a Death Knight on our roster, DPS 77 00:04:20,959 --> 00:04:25,160 Death Knight who fills in as our de facto blood tank for fights 78 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:27,120 where you just have to have those grips. 79 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:32,520 He's considering swapping off of Death Knight next year. 80 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:35,160 If he swaps off Death Knight next year, then I'm going to 81 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:36,960 play Death Knight to fill that role. 82 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:41,160 But if he stays on Death Night next year, I will be returning 83 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:45,520 to Paladin and I will be a golden, shining beacon of 84 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:48,800 righteousness and vengeance tearing my way through the 85 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:50,280 dungeons. I can't wait. 86 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:56,640 Hey, Warcraft's going well. I mean, I love the enthusiasm 87 00:04:56,720 --> 00:04:59,160 while defending you today. I had to be like, he's hedging 88 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:01,280 his bets. He just wants to see where 89 00:05:01,280 --> 00:05:03,520 things land. That's why he's doing all these 90 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:05,400 different paladins every other day. 91 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:08,440 So I'm glad that I caught you on your paladin love. 92 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:10,720 I hope that continues through into the next patch. 93 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:14,240 But yeah, I mean, you know, it's a or sorry beyond the next patch 94 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:17,600 next year rather. But before we get to that next 95 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:22,040 patch, we do have sorry that X tier, man. 96 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:23,800 Well, that was my segue screwed up. 97 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:28,240 Before we get to that next tier, we've got another patch coming 98 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:33,520 through, which is 11 point 1.7. And to sort of wet our palate 99 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:37,640 for what is coming next week, we got a short story. 100 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:43,440 This was a faith in flame. I gotta say that like I'm really 101 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:47,120 glad they put it in an audio form so that I could just sort 102 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:49,920 of listen to it as I went went through. 103 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:59,440 It is it's kind of a three-part. You have one part. 104 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:02,720 That was the short story that we got ahead of the war within, 105 00:06:04,120 --> 00:06:11,200 which dealt with Ferran going through the Arath, the Arathi 106 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:15,120 and that entire thing or not sorry, not Farin, but rather 107 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:19,040 that was when Thrall and Jana went went through there. 108 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:26,320 And now we have Farin, who is getting ready to go back to the 109 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:34,200 old world with with our heroes and that will lead into the 110 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:37,560 story of 11 point 1.7. So I've got to ask you guys, 111 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:40,120 what are your general overall impressions? 112 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:42,680 On go. First you want me to go for? 113 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:45,920 I enjoyed it. I also listened to the audio 114 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:48,800 format. I found the voice acting to be 115 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:50,800 delightful. I really enjoy Fair and Lothar's 116 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:54,680 voice actor and I thought the story was good. 117 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:57,360 It's an hour long. I did see that some people 118 00:06:57,360 --> 00:07:02,560 complained it's funny. So I, I was watching a popular 119 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:09,360 streamer today who often covers lore stuff and talks about a lot 120 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:11,680 like a lot of the, the video analysis, things like that. 121 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:16,720 And people in his chat were saying how, and, and also in the 122 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:19,320 comments of this video, we're saying how they hate the 123 00:07:19,320 --> 00:07:23,600 Blizzard puts lore like this outside of the game. 124 00:07:24,880 --> 00:07:28,880 And the part that I found amusing in that statement was 125 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:33,960 they were watching a Warcraft YouTube or sorry, Warcraft 126 00:07:33,960 --> 00:07:37,160 streamer talking about this story and complaining that they 127 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:39,400 had to go out of the story to get out of the game to get their 128 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:41,600 story. And my thought process is if you 129 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:45,880 have two hours to watch somebody play Warcraft in the middle of 130 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:49,720 the day, you have an hour to listen to a short story about 131 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:52,240 Warcraft in the middle of the day. 132 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:55,600 But I really enjoyed it. I thought it was good. 133 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:57,360 I thought it was well done. I liked that they gave us a 134 00:07:57,360 --> 00:08:03,960 glimpse of crochet, crochet and Thornton's ancestry and how the 135 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:06,840 arathe sort of came about. And I liked that it gave us a 136 00:08:06,840 --> 00:08:09,960 little bit more, a little better understanding of who Fahren was. 137 00:08:10,840 --> 00:08:12,840 But before you tell us what you think of the story, Lex, what 138 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:14,600 did? What are your thoughts on? 139 00:08:14,840 --> 00:08:16,920 I'm pretty sure you're going to say you love it because you're a 140 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:20,480 big book nerd like me, but what are your thoughts on Warcraft 141 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:23,960 implementing story aspects outside of the game? 142 00:08:24,640 --> 00:08:26,800 Oh, I think it's, I mean, I think it's important that they 143 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:29,200 don't make it so you expect to know it in the game. 144 00:08:29,240 --> 00:08:36,600 I think it does lead to the, the lore being kind of overly, not 145 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:38,840 overly per SE, but it's, it's very different. 146 00:08:38,840 --> 00:08:42,280 So for example, the story of what's her name, I literally 147 00:08:42,280 --> 00:08:46,600 pulled crochet. I honest to God don't know if I 148 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:47,800 was supposed to know that already. 149 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:50,840 Like I, I don't know if that was new in the story at this point. 150 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:53,560 If you tell me like a World of Warcraft story, I'm like, that 151 00:08:53,560 --> 00:08:56,120 was probably in the comics, like I, you know. 152 00:08:56,360 --> 00:08:59,400 So I think it does make it so that if you are not obsessed 153 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:01,520 with World of Warcraft 4, you are not going to know the whole 154 00:09:01,520 --> 00:09:04,080 story. But the flip side is it means 155 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:07,320 that the war, the lore gets to become significantly deeper than 156 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:09,600 what you can learn in the story. And I think that's really good. 157 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:12,160 I do, I think I'm even on record on this podcast. 158 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:13,480 They're getting better about this. 159 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:17,880 I think early on in World of Warcraft, the team had a habit 160 00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:22,560 of hiding anything that could be described as woke in the story. 161 00:09:22,680 --> 00:09:25,960 So that I think they knew that the people who are going to care 162 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:29,160 about that stuff, we're going to be like the Lornerds and the 163 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:32,280 people who were going to hate that stuff overall, we're not 164 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:34,560 going to read the stories. And so they can't read. 165 00:09:34,760 --> 00:09:36,000 Yeah, exactly, because they can't read. 166 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:39,840 So they could kind of make everyone happy. 167 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:42,320 Where if you were going to hate the fact that there were gay 168 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:46,600 characters in World of Warcraft, you would probably never 169 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:48,320 encounter them. And if you were going to yell at 170 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:50,440 World of Warcraft for not having gay characters, they could say 171 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:52,680 no. Look, we put it in the book. 172 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:55,040 And I thought that was a little cowardly, but I mean, whatever, 173 00:09:55,040 --> 00:09:56,760 they gave us gay characters. So what are you going to say? 174 00:09:57,400 --> 00:10:04,240 But I think so I, I'm, I'm picky with my fantasy and this did not 175 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:07,880 hit the spot for me, which is like, it's fine. 176 00:10:07,880 --> 00:10:10,560 I think it's, I think it's funny to say that they don't like that 177 00:10:10,560 --> 00:10:15,920 this lore is hidden in like outside of the game because I 178 00:10:15,920 --> 00:10:19,280 don't think I learned anything. Like I feel like they just gave 179 00:10:19,280 --> 00:10:22,360 me, you know, 30-5 pages of feelings, which is fine. 180 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:25,720 You can have 35 pages of like, you know, emotions. 181 00:10:25,960 --> 00:10:30,000 I just, I I didn't feel like I walked out of this knowing 182 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:33,680 anything more about like I and I think actually Manny did make me 183 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:36,120 kind of rethink this a little bit when he described this as a 184 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:38,200 three parter. Because one of my complaints is 185 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:40,840 I don't feel like there was anything in this story that was 186 00:10:40,880 --> 00:10:46,480 unique that I didn't get out of the voices within short story. 187 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:50,360 I feel like all it was the same. You know how people are reacting 188 00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:53,480 to Faron Faron and how Faron is engaging with people. 189 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:55,880 Like all the emotions are identical. 190 00:10:56,040 --> 00:10:58,760 The potential change is I don't there was nothing about crochet. 191 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:03,920 And I will say I think that the best part of the story was the 192 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:08,720 children's story in the middle of it, mainly because I think 193 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:11,480 that the prose was kind of weak. And I think that children's 194 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:13,800 stories like that can tolerate weak prose. 195 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:21,840 But anyway, I don't, I, here's the thing, when I dislike 196 00:11:21,840 --> 00:11:25,080 especially fantasy writing, I kind of switch over in my brain 197 00:11:25,280 --> 00:11:29,160 from reading for enjoyment of reading the story and reading 198 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:30,800 for the enjoyment of being a hater. 199 00:11:31,040 --> 00:11:33,520 And so it probably is not as bad as I'm making it seem. 200 00:11:33,520 --> 00:11:35,920 It probably is not like, it's not like it was that terrible of 201 00:11:35,920 --> 00:11:38,200 prose. It felt like it was that nothing 202 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:40,800 of like, you know, a story. It's just that within like a 203 00:11:40,800 --> 00:11:43,200 couple pages, I knew that I was not going to like it. 204 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:46,080 And so then I just started reading it to find issues with 205 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:48,120 it, which is really fun for me. I had a good time. 206 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:50,160 You got to love read. You can't hate read. 207 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:54,520 You got to love read. It was I, I'm. 208 00:11:56,120 --> 00:12:00,320 Picking would you be? Would you be open to listening 209 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:03,320 to the 1st 10 minutes of the audio version to see if it hits 210 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:06,160 differently? I I probably should I'm not 211 00:12:06,280 --> 00:12:10,760 usually an audio book girly so but it's it's possible that the 212 00:12:10,760 --> 00:12:12,640 voice actor is is what was missing for me. 213 00:12:13,280 --> 00:12:16,920 And also I want to be clear, these are all personal 214 00:12:16,920 --> 00:12:19,640 preferences. I also, for example, one of the 215 00:12:19,640 --> 00:12:22,240 books that I hate read was Gardens of the Moon, which is 216 00:12:22,240 --> 00:12:25,440 famously one of the best books that like everyone loves the 217 00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:28,240 Malazan Chronicles. And I hate that book. 218 00:12:28,440 --> 00:12:31,760 I hate that book so much. So you are allowed like I, I 219 00:12:31,760 --> 00:12:34,320 don't say any of this. I in fact, I desperately hope 220 00:12:34,440 --> 00:12:37,920 that nobody's going to hear this and either feel bad about liking 221 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:42,000 the book or like read the story and feel like they should hate 222 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:44,080 it. I want you to be able to read 223 00:12:44,080 --> 00:12:47,040 this and form your own opinions, and if you love it, please do. 224 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:49,360 Please love this story. There's nothing wrong with it, 225 00:12:49,360 --> 00:12:51,720 there's nothing bad about it, it's just not the the style of 226 00:12:51,720 --> 00:12:55,040 fantasy writing that I like. Lex likes her fantasy a little 227 00:12:55,040 --> 00:12:56,440 more smutty. Yeah. 228 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:02,160 Manny, did you? Did you like the short story? 229 00:13:03,960 --> 00:13:07,000 I think that I understand why Lex didn't like it. 230 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:12,280 Like even listening to the audio book, there were especially 231 00:13:12,280 --> 00:13:16,440 early, there were just some of those sentences that we're just, 232 00:13:17,560 --> 00:13:19,960 I don't know how you even say it like it. 233 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:22,960 I at first I was like, man, this is a poor reading. 234 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:24,560 They're fumbling over these sentences. 235 00:13:24,560 --> 00:13:27,240 And then I'm like, actually, I think this is just how it's 236 00:13:27,280 --> 00:13:30,600 written. But it did get better as it went 237 00:13:30,640 --> 00:13:37,440 on. I do think that the the story of 238 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:45,400 the queen region that is a plant for later on, that isn't 239 00:13:45,400 --> 00:13:49,760 something that I have heard of beforehand. 240 00:13:51,600 --> 00:13:54,520 And it definitely seems like something that might become more 241 00:13:54,520 --> 00:13:57,760 important as we further explore the Arathi Empire, especially 242 00:13:57,760 --> 00:14:00,520 since they're making such a big deal of like she was never able 243 00:14:00,520 --> 00:14:03,120 to find that story again, but it stayed with her. 244 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:05,880 Like the importance of that story, but she was never able to 245 00:14:05,880 --> 00:14:12,520 find it again. To me that that just screams 246 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:16,680 that they were taking the hammer of light or whatever and being 247 00:14:16,680 --> 00:14:22,240 like, you must know, this is important, which I was 248 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:24,920 interested in because like, hey, this is cool, this is important. 249 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:29,080 But also, again, I don't know what audience they're writing 250 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:32,640 for because it did feel a little heavy-handed in some parts. 251 00:14:33,840 --> 00:14:40,720 That said, the take away other than that is that they are 100% 252 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:46,320 shipping Ferren and Anduin that like and so when I look at this, 253 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:51,000 I I go, I don't think that there was any part in here that you 254 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:57,000 could miss and feel that you were like hard done by. 255 00:14:57,200 --> 00:14:59,720 I think all of this stuff is going to be reinforced or 256 00:14:59,720 --> 00:15:03,320 reintroduced later on. And I think that's a good place 257 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:12,280 for transform media like transformat media, cross media, 258 00:15:13,120 --> 00:15:19,320 cross media narratives to be where they can sort of reinforce 259 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:22,400 parts, introduce parts, reintroduce it later. 260 00:15:22,400 --> 00:15:26,560 Like if we're going through later on and we find that that 261 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:29,160 book and it's just like a little toy and you and you can read it 262 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:31,760 or it's just like a book that you come across to know about 263 00:15:31,760 --> 00:15:35,440 that that legend. That would be cool if later on 264 00:15:35,640 --> 00:15:41,960 it is like some things that sort of like lead towards that and 265 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:44,520 people who have read this are like, Oh my goodness, that's 266 00:15:44,520 --> 00:15:46,680 what it is. I think that is cool. 267 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:49,640 If later on I need to solve a problem, a puzzle, and it 268 00:15:49,640 --> 00:15:52,520 requires that I knew this, I'm going to have a problem. 269 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:55,440 Right. So at this point, I don't think 270 00:15:55,440 --> 00:16:00,960 it's made any offense. I do think that the voice acting 271 00:16:01,640 --> 00:16:07,280 that was Paris Blue, who does act Farron did a quite a good 272 00:16:07,280 --> 00:16:12,000 job. I, I think that she has the 273 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:14,720 energy, she's up, she's uplifting. 274 00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:21,560 I'm quite surprised because when I look through her IMDb and like 275 00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:25,880 some of the other stuff that she's done, she is quite the 276 00:16:25,880 --> 00:16:28,560 range. It is, it is quite exceptional 277 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:33,960 and I think that when they add in some of the different voices 278 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:37,920 and the effects to that it, it made the story feel more live 279 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:40,920 than if I was perhaps reading it half heartedly. 280 00:16:41,320 --> 00:16:47,840 I have done hate reads. They are actually quite 281 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:50,720 enjoyable to be like I am going to pick this thing apart. 282 00:16:51,400 --> 00:16:53,240 But that's not where I was at with this. 283 00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:56,880 This was just, I'm going to forgive this for its 284 00:16:56,880 --> 00:17:02,240 shortcomings and I think that the on balance, this was just a 285 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:06,440 nice, enjoyable, quick listen while I was doing other things 286 00:17:06,440 --> 00:17:11,359 as well. Yeah, I, I did my delve shuffles 287 00:17:11,359 --> 00:17:14,680 while I was listening to it, so it wasn't like, but if you do 288 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:18,319 watch the video, there is some gorgeous B roll footage of the 289 00:17:18,319 --> 00:17:23,000 Arathi high of, of Halifal, Gorgeous, gorgeous B roll 290 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:27,079 footage. If you're a video editor or a 291 00:17:27,079 --> 00:17:31,840 YouTube for who does Warcraft content, grab some of it for 292 00:17:31,840 --> 00:17:34,080 your videos because it's really, really nice. 293 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:38,680 Yeah. Yeah, I'll check out the I 294 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:39,680 should check out the voice acting. 295 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:42,040 I'm sure that's I mean, the voice actors in the World of 296 00:17:42,040 --> 00:17:43,800 Warcraft tend to be pretty top notch. 297 00:17:44,680 --> 00:17:48,040 So and I didn't like again, there's nothing wrong with it. 298 00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:50,400 It's not like I'm like this was an offensive part of the book 299 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:52,920 and This is why I hate it. It's just it's 35 pages. 300 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:55,200 But like, I book is book is a strong word is what I'm trying 301 00:17:55,240 --> 00:17:59,720 to get across. But it just, I, I, I am very 302 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:02,480 picky with my fantasy and the honestly, there's one reason I 303 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:04,520 think it's good that the book club never got off the ground, 304 00:18:04,520 --> 00:18:06,560 because I think it would have been me kind of just being a 305 00:18:06,560 --> 00:18:08,240 hater way more than it should have been. 306 00:18:09,040 --> 00:18:12,760 Telling all of our FAZ family that they're wrong for liking. 307 00:18:13,080 --> 00:18:17,880 No, no, no, no, no, no, no no. You are not wrong for liking a 308 00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:19,480 piece of media. You are allowed to have 309 00:18:19,480 --> 00:18:22,400 different opinions as what to what good writing and what 310 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:24,240 interesting writing means to you. 311 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:28,200 The joy of the world is that we all get to experience and love 312 00:18:28,360 --> 00:18:29,880 things differently. And if you love this short 313 00:18:29,880 --> 00:18:33,640 story, I'm so happy for you. Like, please do, please love 314 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:37,400 this short story. Read it, dive into it, feel the 315 00:18:37,400 --> 00:18:39,320 feelings. It can be the best thing you've 316 00:18:39,320 --> 00:18:41,160 got. Like I'm so 100% and like, I'm 317 00:18:41,160 --> 00:18:45,080 not even being like kind of like, you know, in genuine here. 318 00:18:45,080 --> 00:18:49,080 Like enjoy the media that you enjoy and don't let other people 319 00:18:49,080 --> 00:18:53,080 disliking that media make you feel bad about the fact you 320 00:18:53,080 --> 00:18:58,720 enjoy media. Now, is it specifically that I 321 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:01,160 don't know, just there's times where people say the medium is 322 00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:04,080 the message. If you consume this in a 323 00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:07,120 different way. If this was like a little quest 324 00:19:07,120 --> 00:19:13,120 scenario thing that was in that was in 11 point 1.7 where you 325 00:19:13,120 --> 00:19:17,120 just sort of like met up with Ferron and then it went into 326 00:19:17,120 --> 00:19:20,120 this like, oh, you're the little kid and it it went through all 327 00:19:20,120 --> 00:19:23,920 of that. I think that this is the level 328 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:27,280 of Warcraft storytelling. Oh yeah. 329 00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:31,160 The only, sorry, I'm going to be very honest, I have not enjoyed 330 00:19:31,160 --> 00:19:33,200 a World of Warcraft novel that was not written by Kristy 331 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:34,920 Golden. And even then, it's not like 332 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:37,240 the, like top level of, of writing that I like. 333 00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:39,280 I'm not, you know, there are some writers that I will talk 334 00:19:39,280 --> 00:19:41,080 about for hours. I really like Kristy Golden's 335 00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:42,480 work. I am not trying to like, hate on 336 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:44,360 her. She's not one of my like, Oh my 337 00:19:44,360 --> 00:19:45,880 God. And this changed my life 338 00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:49,520 writers. I, I, I have. 339 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:50,600 Yeah. So I think, I think you're, 340 00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:52,920 you're right. I think it's just that it was 341 00:19:52,920 --> 00:19:55,240 not a Kristy Golden story. And so it was never going to be 342 00:19:55,960 --> 00:20:03,280 well, I, I also think the fact that there wasn't really a plot 343 00:20:03,320 --> 00:20:07,800 and it was mostly just you experiencing like the emotions 344 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:11,600 that Faron was having in this moment made it like, that's a 345 00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:15,840 really hard story to write. And if you want to write like 346 00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:20,120 if, if you don't have the the fall back of telling an 347 00:20:20,120 --> 00:20:23,600 interesting story and you just have to focus on the feelings 348 00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:25,080 and the emotions that are going on. 349 00:20:25,800 --> 00:20:30,520 Your prose has to be flawless. It has to be interesting and 350 00:20:30,520 --> 00:20:33,560 engaging without being too fluffy, because there's nothing 351 00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:37,000 else that I can think about. And so I think that this author 352 00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:42,280 was given a particularly hard job, right, to write this 353 00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:46,360 emotional story without much plot. 354 00:20:46,360 --> 00:20:48,480 I think that's also why I think the strongest part of the story, 355 00:20:49,120 --> 00:20:51,440 I was mean about the fact that it's because children's, you 356 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:54,680 know, like the oral children's storytelling can tolerate a 357 00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:56,520 little bit of fluff and flamboyance. 358 00:20:57,360 --> 00:21:00,160 But also it had plot and she wrote a plot. 359 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:02,480 Well, she was able to follow plot interestingly. 360 00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:05,360 So I think that she was kind of hamstrung by the story that she 361 00:21:05,360 --> 00:21:07,440 was given. I I certainly don't think this 362 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:09,840 author is the worst World of Warcraft author I've ever read. 363 00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:15,720 That's Richard Knack. We don't edit anymore. 364 00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:18,560 That's that's days. Hopefully Richard's not a 365 00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:25,160 listener. Won't be after this, but yeah, 366 00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:27,720 like the I just think that you're right, the emotion, 367 00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:31,480 emotions are hard to play through, especially in a video, 368 00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:35,160 a video game. It's very hard to have that 369 00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:38,760 conveyed a written. The written format is way 370 00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:42,520 better, even better than I think a movie of being able to put you 371 00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:46,880 in the mind of a character to be to do that. 372 00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:50,760 And while this may not have been the best attempt at it, I think 373 00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:54,320 this was the best format for it is where I was trying to go with 374 00:21:54,360 --> 00:21:54,600 that. So. 375 00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:55,840 You. Did. 376 00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:57,840 Not expect me to start throwing strays. 377 00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:03,200 No, like I have given up trying to keep this on rails as of last 378 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:07,280 episode. So we just sort of try and curve 379 00:22:07,360 --> 00:22:10,400 with the bullets that you're throwing at people. 380 00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:14,600 That said. In Lex's defense, if that 381 00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:16,640 individual didn't want bullets sterile, they should have should 382 00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:18,040 not have written Day of the Dragon God. 383 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:21,560 I. Haven't even run. 384 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:24,000 That, but, you know, like. That's also Martin or something. 385 00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:29,440 No, that's Dancing Dragon. Yeah, if if so, in this that 386 00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:32,080 author's defense, I haven't published anything. 387 00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:34,680 So like, what do I have to talk about? 388 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:37,120 You're doing better than me. Yeah, you've. 389 00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:42,080 Published many podcasts and I'm sure in fact I'm acutely aware 390 00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:44,880 of criticisms that you that you receive as well. 391 00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:48,800 So it all it happens to all of us that's. 392 00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:52,320 Lex is getting criticized. Wait, that's that man, you have 393 00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:55,600 to tell me this. But not on air or I'll cry, but 394 00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:59,640 maybe off air. OK, so now that I've made 395 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:05,440 reduced lexer nervous wrecks, maybe you'll be slower to throw 396 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:06,960 those stones in your glass house. 397 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:12,920 Anyways, one of the things that is strong about about this again 398 00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:16,240 is the voice acting and that falls into our second piece of 399 00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:22,320 news, which is that SAG act AFTRA, which is the voice actors 400 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:27,440 that were striking against a number of companies in the video 401 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:32,920 game industry, including the Blizzard have come to a 402 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:35,400 tentative agreement as of yesterday. 403 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:43,920 And then today they suspended their strike, which means now 404 00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:47,440 it's a suspension. It's not completely done. 405 00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:52,360 Tomorrow, June 12th, probably by the time you are hearing this, 406 00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:57,360 they will have met and come to decision on the tentative offer 407 00:23:57,360 --> 00:24:01,880 that they have received. Now this strike had affected 408 00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:03,960 Blizzard. As I had said, this is the 409 00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:09,480 reason that we had no voice acting for Rensic the Shiv in 410 00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:16,280 11.1, for the Undermine campaign or in the lead up to it in 11 411 00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:24,160 point 0.7. My hope is that we will, that 412 00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:28,800 they have come to terms and that will go forward because I do 413 00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:32,640 think that voice acting really brings a lot to the World of 414 00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:36,200 Warcraft both in game and outside of the game. 415 00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:40,920 Now I did reach out to Blizzard for comment ahead of this 416 00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:45,440 recording. At this point they don't have 417 00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:49,440 anything to share at this time, but hopefully we will be hearing 418 00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:55,000 from their PR soon about this. Most likely they're waiting for 419 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:58,160 the vote to come to come through. 420 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:07,040 I would love if the Rensic VO was unencrypted and maybe they 421 00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:10,640 allow people to like get the option of going through if they 422 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:12,760 if they want. I'd love to see how much that 423 00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:17,920 the difference is when you know, he's not just like mute and 424 00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:19,880 everybody's just sort of like quiet for a bit. 425 00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:25,280 Because it, it did Take Me Out of it both in the 11.0 point 7 426 00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:29,600 and the 11.1 campaign for it. What, what about you guys? 427 00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:35,080 What do you think? I'm happy they came to an 428 00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:37,480 agreement. I love when things go the way of 429 00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:39,360 the workers. That's awesome. 430 00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:45,320 I was also really impressed that Blizzard didn't just have 431 00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:48,920 somebody else redo the voice over that wasn't on strike, that 432 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:50,640 they said, you know what, he's on strike. 433 00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:53,320 We respect that because they they probably also could have 434 00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:55,320 made the argument that this was recorded pre strike. 435 00:25:55,320 --> 00:26:00,120 We can air this and I don't know, maybe I'm giving them, you 436 00:26:00,120 --> 00:26:03,120 know, the credits they don't deserve To me from the roadside 437 00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:05,800 looking and it looked like this guy went on strike and Blizzard 438 00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:07,600 said, OK, he's striking. We're not going to use his voice 439 00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:08,680 over. We'll keep it in the game, and 440 00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:12,600 we're not going to replace him. And now I like like you, Manny. 441 00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:16,480 I hope that once it's officially signed that they can make a 442 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:18,680 statement saying, hey, you know, we're happy to announce that 443 00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:21,800 we've hot fixed in Rensic's voice lines. 444 00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:24,280 But yeah, I'm glad that strike is over. 445 00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:26,240 Being on strike sucks. My dad was on strike when I was 446 00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:28,160 a kid. I remember it was miserable. 447 00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:32,120 He hated it. Nobody wants to be on strike. 448 00:26:32,120 --> 00:26:34,840 We just people just want what they're deserve, what they 449 00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:38,520 deserve and they want equal pay and fair rights and all 450 00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:40,480 whatever. So give them what they want. 451 00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:43,320 Companies make enough money so. The whole point of a strike is 452 00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:45,400 that they want to do the job. If they didn't want to do the 453 00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:49,080 job, they quit. So yeah, no, I fully agree. 454 00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:51,280 I'm really happy with how Blizzard, I mean, without. 455 00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:53,720 Again, I don't have an eye behind the curtain, so it's not 456 00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:56,720 like I know what was going on behind the scenes, but from my 457 00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:58,840 perspective on the outside, it seemed like Blizzard was doing 458 00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:03,680 this as well as they could. And that's heartening. 459 00:27:04,360 --> 00:27:07,800 And I'm also glad that they got an agreement that's that's also 460 00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:10,120 really good. And I agree, voice acting, as 461 00:27:10,120 --> 00:27:14,080 was proven by missing a voice actor, is really fundamental to 462 00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:18,280 making the stories come alive. Also, as can be evidenced from 463 00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:22,520 the fact that 2/3 of us really like the short story and the one 464 00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:24,240 who didn't was the one who didn't listen. 465 00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:27,360 So yeah, like I I think voice acting is really important and 466 00:27:27,360 --> 00:27:30,320 and really meaningful in how we in interpret the media. 467 00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:34,720 So I think they deserve to be paid well and fairly and not be 468 00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:36,800 replaced by AI. Yeah. 469 00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:42,960 And so this strike has been going since July 26th of last. 470 00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:48,640 Year. That's that is dended they're 471 00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:51,560 now obviously they were allowed to complete contracts that they 472 00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:55,000 were already in, which is why it hadn't affected things until 473 00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:58,800 later. There was also provisions for if 474 00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:05,280 a company had done a contract that fit with what they they 475 00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:08,080 were asking for, you could work for them. 476 00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:12,880 But between Activision Blizzard and where Activision was before 477 00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:18,080 this and Microsoft, yeah, like, it did affect some things. 478 00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:23,200 So hopefully this is good. This. 479 00:28:23,360 --> 00:28:28,800 I know one of the issues was about use of AI rights to 480 00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:31,760 digital likenesses of voices as well. 481 00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:35,240 There's been a lot of, lot of discussions about that ever 482 00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:41,160 since Lucas started buying up likenesses for people and, yeah, 483 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:43,800 just, you know, fair pay for Fair Work. 484 00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:47,600 We stand with the workers here at For Azeroth. 485 00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:53,320 Is it? Is it crazy that like in, in my 486 00:28:53,320 --> 00:29:00,400 naive mind, I want to prescribe to companies like a sense of 487 00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:05,240 being a good person, Like company like Blizzard is going 488 00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:07,120 to do what's right. Oh, they see, they're striking. 489 00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:09,680 They know they want this. They'll make sure they get that. 490 00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:13,920 Like, in my mind, in my heart of hearts, I want companies to be 491 00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:18,800 that way. But I had a friend who was often 492 00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:22,560 vocal in reminding me that all companies are evil. 493 00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:26,760 None of them are your friends. But like, I just wanted to be 494 00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:28,960 like, I want to be able to. I want to be able to say like, 495 00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:31,440 oh, Blizzards going to look out for their employees. 496 00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:33,160 They're going to look out for the contractors. 497 00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:35,680 I want to believe, and not just blows, there are other companies 498 00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:37,000 too, like Apple and whoever I want. 499 00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:40,360 I want to believe Companies inherently want to do good. 500 00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:43,360 Then they've done a good job with their PR and you should 501 00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:45,200 thank their PR. For it, Manny, Were you the 502 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:49,120 friend who told me? No, but like just fiduciary 503 00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:53,760 duties of all companies is to make money their first priority, 504 00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:57,320 right? And the only priority that they 505 00:29:57,320 --> 00:30:00,160 are mandated to do is to make money. 506 00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:03,600 Everything else is superfluous. Yeah. 507 00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:07,680 Well, I mean, so yes, like companies exist for profit. 508 00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:10,920 I, I think that's 100% true. And I, I also think like 509 00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:15,840 companies are also run by people and sometimes like people, as a 510 00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:19,640 general rule, don't want to cause harm, which is not sorry. 511 00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:23,160 OK, let me let me back up, let me back up, let me back up, let 512 00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:25,720 me back up. I'm back up like 20 steps most. 513 00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:27,880 No, you only have to undo the last sentence. 514 00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:30,400 You only have to do the last sentence. 515 00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:35,080 Companies are run by people and people continue. 516 00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:39,720 People are complicated. People are complicated. 517 00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:42,680 I OK, I think like ultimately you have to expect that a 518 00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:45,520 company is always going to put money above people because 519 00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:47,320 that's like Manny said, that's their job. 520 00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:55,720 That's what they exist to do. I think it's not impossible for 521 00:30:56,200 --> 00:31:01,160 for companies to to try to to care about their workers. 522 00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:06,280 I actually would argue that the concept that the the most 523 00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:09,480 companies do seem to buy into that their job is to make as 524 00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:11,960 much money out of people as quickly as possible and as hard 525 00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:14,040 as possible is incredibly short sighted. 526 00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:17,480 And that you can get a lot like even if you all you focus on is 527 00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:20,720 the value, like the money you bring in, you get a lot more 528 00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:23,040 value if you treat people well, if you're compassionate, if you 529 00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:25,120 care about them, if you make people feel cared about and 530 00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:28,000 important. I make less money in my job than 531 00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:31,240 I could if I went elsewhere, but I feel like my company cares 532 00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:33,080 about me. I work there through COVID and I 533 00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:37,080 felt like I was taken very good care of and that they were 534 00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:39,520 prioritizing me and the people that I worked with. 535 00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:43,040 And that means that I always like anytime looking for a new 536 00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:45,200 job, the 1st place I work is internal, right? 537 00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:47,840 I trust my company and this might age poorly. 538 00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:51,560 There's there's a risk time to get laid off and then I'll feel 539 00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:53,920 worse about it. But like, anyway, so I don't 540 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:57,160 think, I don't think you should ever trust a company, but I 541 00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:00,800 don't think that companies are like apparently mindless evil 542 00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:03,720 money machines. No, that's OK. 543 00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:11,880 I think prescribing a emotion or morality to a company is a 544 00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:14,600 fool's errand. I think that you have to 545 00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:22,000 understand that companies, by their very nature, right, do not 546 00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:26,920 have a moral compass. They have priorities that are 547 00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:31,000 set on them. And we're going to leave it at 548 00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:35,880 that because this is a show about for Azeroth and we are not 549 00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:39,600 fighting galliworks anymore. Everybody's finished galliworks 550 00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:43,600 now, so we're moving on. We will have this conversation 551 00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:46,960 after the show. Wait, so I just want to say, is 552 00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:51,680 it OK for me to wish that the world wasn't like that and that 553 00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:53,360 it was the way that I want it to be? 554 00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:57,480 I invite you to wish in one hand and shit in the other. 555 00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:04,880 Anyways, talking about something a little bit more plausible. 556 00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:11,040 Tanks have gotten more threat. So Blizzard deployed this hot 557 00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:18,280 flick, this hot fix today, buffing tank tank threat from I 558 00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:26,640 believe they were at 815% and put that up to 950% and I 559 00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:27,880 actually was able to pull up my notes. 560 00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:33,120 So I did get that right, and that's an increase of 16.5% 561 00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:37,160 threat. Now, a lot of people that have 562 00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:40,120 been complaining about tank threat, I think that Blizzard 563 00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:44,280 has done this to sort of head off where we're going as stats 564 00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:48,120 have been boosted and DPS are starting to like get further and 565 00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:52,040 further ahead of tanks. Tank threat needed to be 566 00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:58,240 adjusted in that way. But tank threat is a very 567 00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:00,800 interesting thing in the World of Warcraft because it's just 568 00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:05,520 got such a winding history. At some points, tank threat was 569 00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:08,280 like the thing that tanks were dealing with. 570 00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:16,000 At other points, tank threat has been so not an issue where tanks 571 00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:18,320 have just been able to do anything. 572 00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:22,560 And Blizzard has been fighting it more more recently to find a 573 00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:27,120 sweet spot so that tanks weren't able to just run around and kite 574 00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:32,280 and not actually stand in front of of the enemies generating 575 00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:36,520 threat. So John, you are the resident 576 00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:37,360 tank. I've got it. 577 00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:41,639 I've got to hand us over to you. What do you think about the 578 00:34:41,639 --> 00:34:46,000 current situation of tank threat in your place? 579 00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:48,840 I would like to speak for all tanks and I think I'm qualified 580 00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:49,840 to do that. Nope. 581 00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:54,040 Keep going though. As always, I will speak strictly 582 00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:59,800 to my own point of view. So tank threat is there's a lot 583 00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:03,360 of nuance to tank threat and the issues currently with tank 584 00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:08,080 threat. The biggest of which is that 585 00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:10,440 there are a lot of tank abilities that are just bugged 586 00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:13,680 and do no threat. For example, if you're a 587 00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:17,400 Vengeance Demon Hunter and you use Sigilo Flame on a pack, 588 00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:21,000 before you're in combat with that pack, it generates 0 589 00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:22,000 threat. What? 590 00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:26,440 Zero if you pull the Sigilla Flame, which you are recommended 591 00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:29,320 to do because it builds your Perry stacks, that's Sigilla 592 00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:31,000 Flame. If that pack is not already in 593 00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:33,320 combat with you. Generates 0 threat. 594 00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:34,800 On them? Is that why I'm sorry? 595 00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:40,480 Hugo as well throw glave on a Demon Hunter in the tool tip 596 00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:44,200 says does a very high amount of threat and it does approximately 597 00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:47,120 the same amount of threat as if you body pulled, which is almost 598 00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:51,760 none. So, and these are not the only 599 00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:55,840 tank threat. Make your tank damage mechanics 600 00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:58,400 and don't do threat. The way threat works is you get 601 00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:00,360 a damn the modifier man gave us the numbers. 602 00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:02,400 You get a modifier based on the damage that you do with your 603 00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:05,000 abilities and that's it. Taunt will give you. 604 00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:08,160 I think it's a 300% threat modifier on top of that. 605 00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:11,880 So the normal normal threat modified by 300% for three 606 00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:14,560 seconds and then when that ends you have to be at the top. 607 00:36:15,240 --> 00:36:20,120 To pull threat from a tank, a melee DPS has to do 110% of the 608 00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:24,560 threat that a tank is doing. To pull pull a mob off and 609 00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:29,960 arrange DPS has to do 130%. Now there are some speculations 610 00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:34,840 that classes that have tank alternate classes like feral 611 00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:38,600 Druid still have the tank threat modifier on some of their feral 612 00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:41,080 druid abilities and that's why they pull threat more often. 613 00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:44,800 That's not been confirmed, but that is a tinfoil hat theory 614 00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:47,480 that exists. Lots of evidence that usually 615 00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:52,360 backed them up. So tank threat is a known issue. 616 00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:57,320 We have obviously instances of devastation warlocks who have a 617 00:36:57,400 --> 00:36:59,760 buff. Their mastery gives them more 618 00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:02,120 damage on a pack of mobs the higher their health is. 619 00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:03,120 When is their health the highest? 620 00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:05,440 At the start of a pole. When is tank threat the lowest? 621 00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:09,400 At the start of a pole devastation of ogres the world 622 00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:13,360 around have been one shot and clapped by mobs because of tank 623 00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:14,800 threat. Especially when they get those 624 00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:16,640 procs. Especially when they get those 625 00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:17,120 procs. Yeah. 626 00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:19,200 And it's not. And I know like for anybody been 627 00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:21,280 playing a long time and Manny made, you know, alluded to the 628 00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:24,120 fact that tank threat has changed over the years and it 629 00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:27,120 has and I think it does need to fundamentally change again for a 630 00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:29,440 balance somewhere in the middle. Nobody wants to go back to up 631 00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:32,400 tank tags at once and then can infinitely kite packs. 632 00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:34,760 That's not fun for anybody. And I don't think anybody wants 633 00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:38,280 to return to you have to wait for five sunders before you do 634 00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:41,400 anything because standing there for five full seconds while you 635 00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:44,520 wait for five sunders isn't fun gameplay for anybody. 636 00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:48,040 I don't I don't believe so. We need to find a happy middle 637 00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:53,800 somewhere. This modifier bump I feel, and I 638 00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:57,600 think a lot of the community feels is a Band-Aid on that fact 639 00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:00,920 that some things are bugged and aren't doing any threat at all 640 00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:03,680 and that they there's a fundamental change needed in the 641 00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:09,520 way threat is dealt with. This will help a little bit and 642 00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:15,800 if you play mostly in like the seven to 12 range, maybe you 643 00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:20,400 don't notice this as much, but you probably do because it still 644 00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:23,520 happens to at all levels. Another issue that comes up is 645 00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:28,320 when you're in a raid and this year was especially bad when one 646 00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:31,400 tank is actively tanking the boss and the Co tank pulls 647 00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:33,640 threat just by doing their rotate like no crits, nothing. 648 00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:35,680 They're just doing their rotation and they pull threat. 649 00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:38,560 And that that can be a problem because bosses can be become 650 00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:40,760 taunted immune. If that happens, you can eat a 651 00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:42,920 front or eat a tank Buster you didn't mean to eat. 652 00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:45,560 So those are so, so those are some of the issues. 653 00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:49,440 Is this going to help maybe a little bit? 654 00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:54,240 Is it the, the full solution? I definitely don't think so. 655 00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:59,800 I do have a solution that I think would be I, I, I have a, a 656 00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:02,240 A-frame of mind where it's like, I have an, I guess suggestion of 657 00:39:02,240 --> 00:39:04,760 this is where I think they could find a happy medium. 658 00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:08,040 And it actually came from the game Fellowship. 659 00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:12,080 Before we run into. Do you like the game Fellowship? 660 00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:17,320 Sorry man, you. Before we run into your 661 00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:21,000 potential solutions, and I would like to offer solutions as well, 662 00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:26,600 I would want to get Lex's because like I'm sure a lot of 663 00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:29,680 that information might have been like, wait a second, is this why 664 00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:31,560 I'm not having issues and that sort of thing. 665 00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:35,520 But like, I think it's definitely exasperated when you 666 00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:40,360 are just getting into tanking when your gear isn't that good 667 00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:43,880 because it is a modifier. It is. 668 00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:47,880 It does mean that if you are like, let's say you're not 669 00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:52,360 normally taking you jump it onto the tank, but you're running 670 00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:54,680 with your guildies that are really good. 671 00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:57,880 The rotation have been like gearing, gearing to the nines 672 00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:00,160 and that sort of stuff. This these threat issues are 673 00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:04,200 going to come in more often. And then, of course, like Sean 674 00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:07,320 was saying in in raid, I'm sure you've you've seen it from time 675 00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:10,040 to time where Oh, no off tank pull threat. 676 00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:12,080 Sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry. Let's talk back. 677 00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:14,880 So what's your been your experience with tank threat? 678 00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:16,840 Yeah, so first of all, this changed my life. 679 00:40:17,240 --> 00:40:19,960 Like quite genuinely, I this has made me feel so much better 680 00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:21,880 about myself with the tank, because I thought I must be the 681 00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:25,200 world's worst tank because I was struggling so much to maintain 682 00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:27,400 pack aggro. And I mean, part of that is that 683 00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:28,840 I'm going to do tank and pack aggro is tough. 684 00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:30,960 The part of that is because anytime I wanted to get pack 685 00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:33,440 aggro, the only thing I could I think I was Thor clave and then 686 00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:36,880 I they didn't there's no finding matter like I'm suck on the left 687 00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:39,560 tankers ever lived the. Tool tip says high threat. 688 00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:47,520 And also I am, I mean, and this is probably not like 100% 689 00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:52,640 fixable, but I, I do tend to off tank for the raid if our current 690 00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:57,160 second tank is away and our one of our like actually both of our 691 00:40:57,160 --> 00:40:58,520 tanks, I don't know. I'm I'm numbering them. 692 00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:00,520 They're not, they just want to have been a tank for longer. 693 00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:03,920 Both of them are really talented players and I am a really new 694 00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:05,720 tank. And part of that is just the 695 00:41:05,720 --> 00:41:07,400 reality of like how side is generated. 696 00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:11,080 But I am constantly dropping aggro and feeling terrible about 697 00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:12,280 that. And I'm also constantly 698 00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:13,920 struggling to pull even with taunt. 699 00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:16,840 Although also I thought taunt just immediately blasted them 700 00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:20,440 with aggro generation, I didn't. Realize so it does. 701 00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:23,640 It forces them to. Focus you for three seconds and 702 00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:25,960 then you get a bump to the threat you're generating. 703 00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:27,880 Yeah, it resets their threat table. 704 00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:32,280 It gives you the 300 on top and then and forces them to attack 705 00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:33,800 you. And then after that force 706 00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:36,520 attack, whatever, whoever's on top of the threat table, that's 707 00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:39,560 who they'll go to. But hopefully because you've now 708 00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:43,800 reset the threat and had this head start on with the 300 709 00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:47,440 boost, you should be on top at the end of the taunt window. 710 00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:52,640 Gotcha. So yeah, I mean, I, I will say I 711 00:41:52,720 --> 00:41:56,360 struggle a lot with threat and that makes tank not as fun for 712 00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:58,920 me and makes especially Mythic plus stressful. 713 00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:05,080 I'm also a new tank and there is the constant balance you need to 714 00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:08,120 walk between making something fun for new players and not 715 00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:09,640 making it boring for old players. 716 00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:12,640 So I think threat generation in a way that I could easily manage 717 00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:15,920 threat would make tanking just the most boring thing that Sean 718 00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:17,480 has ever done in his life, for example. 719 00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:21,000 So it's good to know that it is actually some of these things 720 00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:23,640 are actual issues that the entire group is aware of and 721 00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:26,920 that maybe they'll get better. But I think a lot of it is also 722 00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:32,000 that like realistically, if I can be Co tanking with no issues 723 00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:34,480 with a tank who's been tanking for ages and is doing purple 724 00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:38,480 parses, then that is that that would be a problem as well. 725 00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:41,120 And I need to be able to like there needs to be scale in 726 00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:43,920 taking. Don't be too optimistic, those 727 00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:45,920 Demon Hunter bugs have been in the game since Legion. 728 00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:53,440 Oh good. So from there, I guess we could 729 00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:58,200 talk about potential solutions and I've got some incredibly 730 00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:00,320 radical ones. So I want to go with Sean 731 00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:04,720 because yours is probably going to be more within what is this, 732 00:43:04,720 --> 00:43:08,280 the Overton window of tank solutions Anyways, go ahead. 733 00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:15,720 Yeah, so I so for me, there's two things I don't want. 734 00:43:15,720 --> 00:43:18,960 I don't want to live in a world where we are in the, you know, 735 00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:22,640 vanilla and BC days where you were constantly battling for 736 00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:26,160 threat and it was the only thing a tank could focus on was threat 737 00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:29,880 and nothing else. That is not engaging and that's 738 00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:32,160 not fun. The biggest cause for a lot of 739 00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:35,720 tank deaths in bugs. If you're running bugs and your 740 00:43:35,720 --> 00:43:38,800 tank dies suddenly you're not sure why, go back and see if 741 00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:41,320 ADPS pulled threat. Because the way tank brain works 742 00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:44,320 is as soon as somebody's nameplate changes and that mob 743 00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:47,400 goes to run after somebody else, they forget everything else and 744 00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:48,720 they're just trying to get that mob back. 745 00:43:48,720 --> 00:43:50,720 Which means they're probably turning their back to the other 746 00:43:50,720 --> 00:43:52,560 mobs. They're probably missing a tank 747 00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:55,480 Buster, they're probably missing defensives, all in the name of 748 00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:57,880 trying to get the threat back. So I don't want to live in a 749 00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:01,080 world where I am constantly playing that game of chasing 750 00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:03,000 threat down. I also don't want to live in a 751 00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:05,800 world where I tagged them once with a Thunder clap and then I 752 00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:09,520 can kite them to the next boss. That's not fun or engaging for 753 00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:12,400 me or anybody else. So those are the two things you 754 00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:14,520 want to avoid. But there is a nice happy medium 755 00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:17,000 and, and part of this is through fellowship. 756 00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:21,720 The way fellowship works is you get bonuses for executing things 757 00:44:21,720 --> 00:44:25,720 in correct sequence. So there's a there's one of 758 00:44:25,720 --> 00:44:29,080 their characters who it works like jazz, like temponic jazz. 759 00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:32,400 And it's like boom, boom, boom. And you go through it's like 760 00:44:32,720 --> 00:44:35,400 ability ability, another like you hit these abilities in these 761 00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:41,080 certain key points, you know, like 12123121 that and and doing 762 00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:43,880 this gives you these bonuses. So obviously Warcraft isn't 763 00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:47,640 designed that way, but Warcraft is designed for some abilities 764 00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:49,920 to work together naturally in your in your proper rotation. 765 00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:54,520 Brewmaster monk, for example, you cake smash first because 766 00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:56,440 that covers the enemies in in alcohol. 767 00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:59,360 Then you do the fire breath, which then lights that alcohol 768 00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:02,800 on fire. Then you can like like swirly 769 00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:05,600 leg kick thing. I don't play a lot of 770 00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:08,120 brewmasters, my least hair tank, but that is AI think it's 771 00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:10,800 elegant in the way that their rotation works in that, you 772 00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:13,240 know, you could think about that like, oh, I cover them in beer. 773 00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:16,400 I like the beer on fire. This is how I progress, progress 774 00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:18,600 this and you know, keep it going. 775 00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:20,360 You mixing your blackout punches and whatever. 776 00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:25,960 So what I would like to see is a world where one when a tank, I 777 00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:29,560 think the the the highest point of risk of a tank losing threat 778 00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:32,520 should be when the mobs are away from the tank. 779 00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:36,160 So on pull, if you're pulling at range and then going to them, 780 00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:39,160 you have the potential there that DPS could pull off. 781 00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:42,040 This is what incentivizes DPS to wait till the mobs are grouped, 782 00:45:42,240 --> 00:45:43,320 which is sort of where we're at now. 783 00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:49,040 But I think once, once any tank is in melee range of any mobs, 784 00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:53,040 as long as they're executing their rotation correctly, there 785 00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:54,440 should. And we, and we have like 786 00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:57,400 Blizzard has a set rotation that they expect people will do for 787 00:45:57,400 --> 00:45:59,840 like a dam rotation because it's in the one button rotation. 788 00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:03,240 And this I think matches with it elegantly because you could bake 789 00:46:03,240 --> 00:46:06,120 it into the one button rotation. If the tank is executing the 790 00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:09,600 rotation correctly in the correct order, they get a 791 00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:13,680 amplifier to threat and they can like they will not lose threat 792 00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:16,640 to those mobs outside of a taunt as long as they're in melee 793 00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:19,680 range and they're executing the rotation in the correct order. 794 00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:23,280 Then if they go to kite, which we may have to do in mythic plus 795 00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:25,600 obviously we get to levels where the damage gets so high. 796 00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:26,800 You do have to kite occasionally. 797 00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:28,360 Start of the season you have to kite occasionally. 798 00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:32,000 When you start to kite and you pull away again you that's when 799 00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:34,120 you come to risk with losing threat. 800 00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:37,680 Either we can have threat diminish at distance or just by 801 00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:39,720 threat, not by not gaining threat because you're moving 802 00:46:39,720 --> 00:46:43,360 away the other DPS their threat raises so that you're not 803 00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:45,200 infinitely kiting. You can just kite for small 804 00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:48,560 periods of time. This incentivizes proper play 805 00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:51,600 for players. It double s down on, you know, 806 00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:53,800 the correct rotation, which Blizzard is implementing 807 00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:56,400 themselves into the game that each class has a correct 808 00:46:56,400 --> 00:47:00,480 rotation. And this eliminates that that 809 00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:03,600 feeling of I'm, you know, I hope my dev, I hope my Devil Volcker 810 00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:06,240 doesn't crit because then he's going to pull threat and then 811 00:47:06,240 --> 00:47:08,360 I'm going to be screwed here because I don't have an AOE 812 00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:10,560 taunt because only two tanks have an AOE taunt. 813 00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:14,520 What if he pulls all the mobs? And I think that is an elegant 814 00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:17,720 way to both keep tanks engaged because it lets you focus on 815 00:47:17,720 --> 00:47:20,200 making sure you're executing your rotation and you're still 816 00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:25,040 thinking about your defensives, You know, And tank is the the 817 00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:26,960 most complicated job in the dungeon. 818 00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:33,240 And I think by removing this one layer of that constant fear that 819 00:47:33,240 --> 00:47:36,280 threat is going to just be ripped is a nice way to keep it 820 00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:39,920 still complex, but but keep it, you know, so that it's open for 821 00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:41,800 new players to join. And then if a new tank wants to 822 00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:43,600 play, Flex says, Hey, I want to start try tanking. 823 00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:48,200 They can use the one button rotation initially to to get 824 00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:49,800 that to hold and maintain threats. 825 00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:52,640 So they learn how to use defensives, how to pull packs, 826 00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:55,160 what routes to do. And then once they've gotten to 827 00:47:55,160 --> 00:47:56,640 the point that they're comfortable doing that, then 828 00:47:56,640 --> 00:47:59,480 they graduate from the one button rotation, maybe to button 829 00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:02,080 assist or maybe right into the rotation where they set it up 830 00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:05,640 like a super cool Achille like Manny did, which I still think 831 00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:08,240 is the most elegant use of the one button rotation I've heard. 832 00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:11,640 But that is where I think a nice happy meeting will be. 833 00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:14,560 It lets DPS play without constant fear that they're going 834 00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:18,200 to get a crit and then die. It lets tanks play and keeps 835 00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:20,120 them engaged with fighting the mobs. 836 00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:24,640 And I would like to see a shift towards something like that 837 00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:27,880 where we get those bonuses in combat. 838 00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:31,080 Yeah. That's it. 839 00:48:33,240 --> 00:48:36,960 So I, yeah, I do believe that is like the one of the more 840 00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:41,160 straightforward ways that they could, they could fix it. 841 00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:46,640 Obviously it is a balancing act. It is how much threat they need 842 00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:48,880 to like bump it. And that will change over the 843 00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:53,240 course of an expansion as DPS get higher numbers and the 844 00:48:53,240 --> 00:48:57,120 damage between tank and DPS gets further and further. 845 00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:00,440 And so I guess that's sort of where they're at right now. 846 00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:03,400 We're yes, sometimes they will have to adjust it in the middle 847 00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:06,080 of an expansion. Hopefully they can make those 848 00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:10,440 adjustments with the launch of a patch and not when they start 849 00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:12,640 noticing people getting smeared across the floor. 850 00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:19,560 Now the other, the other thing that I was thinking of was a 851 00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:25,440 more active threat engagement. This is something that they used 852 00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:28,200 to do in the past. They used to have things like 853 00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:30,600 wind shear that would reduce your threat for a certain period 854 00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:33,720 of time. Rogues had tricks of the trade, 855 00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:38,400 and I think they still do to hand it over Hunters. 856 00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:42,160 Again, having their misdirect and having some classes have 857 00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:49,480 that sort of sort of stuff would become a utility that would 858 00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:53,480 shake up metas in terms of mythic Plus where you'd be like, 859 00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:59,160 oh, OK, not only do we need the bloodlust, the battle rez, we 860 00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:04,640 also should have some sort of threat misdirection, tricks of 861 00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:07,840 the trade because that will allow us to pull more, more 862 00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:10,040 effectively and do those do those things. 863 00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:15,000 And what I want or what I am suggesting here is that the 864 00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:20,840 threat game not be purely on the tank and not be something that 865 00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:29,360 is not something that is constantly a worry of one 866 00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:32,560 player. I think that as they are looking 867 00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:36,760 to adjust difficulty and move it out of one place and put into 868 00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:40,080 another, threat is a place where it could become part of the 869 00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:42,000 game. I just don't think that threat 870 00:50:42,080 --> 00:50:47,360 with the current meta is really something that tanks and DPS 871 00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:50,920 should be worried about because there's so much going on in the 872 00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:56,000 game or so much that you need to be paying attention to that 873 00:50:56,160 --> 00:50:57,640 threat on top of that is too much. 874 00:50:57,640 --> 00:51:00,520 But if you're going to adjust the game, if you're going to be 875 00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:05,280 like, hey, maybe not everybody needs to be 100% on top of their 876 00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:10,480 interrupts every pull. If you're going to to do that 877 00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:14,320 sort of stuff, then yeah, you could have maybe a healer that's 878 00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:20,800 like, hey, as long as I've got this buff on you, it lowers your 879 00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:26,360 threat by by a certain percent or all all focus because all 880 00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:29,320 focus need need some love right now. 881 00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:34,360 What if while they are giving you like a particular boost, 882 00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:38,600 they they like lower the threat from those people who are 883 00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:41,920 getting that or boost tank threat for certain period during 884 00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:43,600 that. That can work alongside Tricks 885 00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:46,000 of the Trade, that can work alongside Misdirect. 886 00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:49,680 And I think though that sort of use is something where it's 887 00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:53,880 like, OK, let's do the big poll, let's have the big burst go 888 00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:57,000 down. Because really the the time that 889 00:51:57,000 --> 00:52:01,400 you are most likely to lose threat right now is those big 890 00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:04,760 burst moments. I think that when people, the 891 00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:09,080 DPS and the tanks are equally geared and no other variables 892 00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:17,080 are in there, the IT is when the procs go off, when the mastery 893 00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:21,880 is going at its fullest that that tanks are having having the 894 00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:25,240 issue right now. And so if you could cover those 895 00:52:25,240 --> 00:52:30,480 moments with intelligent play, then threat becomes good again. 896 00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:36,520 If like the tanks that have the AOE taunt are like, OK, like 897 00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:40,520 I've got my AOE taunt and the other tanks have like, here's my 898 00:52:40,520 --> 00:52:47,840 like big boost threat to buff where now like I've reflect the 899 00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:51,160 damage and any damage reflected is suddenly like way more. 900 00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:54,400 And so they go like, OK, like I can do stuff like just different 901 00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:57,480 ways of playing of like being able to play with threat, but 902 00:52:57,480 --> 00:52:59,720 not in a way where it's so micromanaged. 903 00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:03,800 I think that that's something and I I want to talk about 904 00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:09,000 gameplay options over perhaps like UI things because they are 905 00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:12,120 trying to tear away from the UII wouldn't want threat meters to 906 00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:14,440 now have to be baked into everything and now everybody's 907 00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:18,000 watching their threat meters. Just do name plates you can do. 908 00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:20,640 I mean we do it now with plater, so instead of having to. 909 00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:23,080 I actually think your solution is really quite elegant, having 910 00:53:23,080 --> 00:53:28,320 it be a total group puzzle to solve as opposed to one player. 911 00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:30,800 Because rogues have faint, priests have fade, you know, you 912 00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:31,880 can faint out that kind of stuff. 913 00:53:32,200 --> 00:53:36,360 Tricks of the trade is OK. Those abilities would need a bit 914 00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:39,560 of a rework because misdirect on BM hunters does nothing. 915 00:53:39,560 --> 00:53:41,840 It's the pet damage isn't included for some reason. 916 00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:43,920 It's just the Hunter's damage, which is like nothing. 917 00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:48,080 But I do think that's like, that's a really interesting way 918 00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:50,560 to tackle the problem of, you know, everyone. 919 00:53:50,560 --> 00:53:53,880 So it could be like a case of, you know, your elemental shaman 920 00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:56,280 gets a proc, he hits a sentence, you know, and then, you know, he 921 00:53:56,280 --> 00:53:58,840 starts blasting and then halfway through he's got a wind shear. 922 00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:01,880 Like I actually think that's because the tank might not 923 00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:04,520 recognize, Oh, he proc this is going to get weird. 924 00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:08,440 I actually think that's a really, but I think it's a 925 00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:09,840 really interesting way to do that. 926 00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:12,280 And yeah, I wouldn't want nobody wants to be watching threat 927 00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:13,440 meters. That's insane. 928 00:54:13,560 --> 00:54:15,200 But name. So right now name plates change 929 00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:18,120 color based on threat in Plato, not in the base UI, because the 930 00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:23,080 base UI name plates were written in 2003, but the plater name 931 00:54:23,080 --> 00:54:25,480 plate, they're reworking them. I'm interested to see what they 932 00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:26,920 do. But plater name plates, you have 933 00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:29,960 them so they change color and you can it'll say like, Hey, you 934 00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:32,240 are a boat. If you're tanking, it's you have 935 00:54:32,240 --> 00:54:34,760 threat, you don't have threat or you're a boat to lose threat on 936 00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:37,440 this mob. And for DPS, it's you have 937 00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:39,560 threat, you don't half threat or you're about to get threat on 938 00:54:39,560 --> 00:54:41,680 this mob if they just bake that in. 939 00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:44,920 I think your solution works really well there. 940 00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:47,440 And then it becomes, you know, it's still the tank's 941 00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:49,840 responsibility, but it sort of takes a little bit off the 942 00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:51,960 plate. I like that. 943 00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:53,440 I would be down for that. I think that will be an 944 00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:56,120 interesting way to try it. Also makes it easier for range 945 00:54:56,120 --> 00:54:58,480 to not have to spend like constantly be running in and 946 00:54:58,480 --> 00:55:00,600 doing stuff like that, which could also open you up 947 00:55:00,600 --> 00:55:04,000 potentially to more interesting mechanics if you can make range 948 00:55:04,040 --> 00:55:06,200 a little bit more unique in what they have to do when they really 949 00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:09,200 can't be in the group. Have we all ever agreed on 950 00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:10,560 something before? This is crazy. 951 00:55:11,080 --> 00:55:14,840 I'm I'm sure we have like I, I just, I think that there's so 952 00:55:14,840 --> 00:55:20,480 many options and I would love if they would say like, oh, 953 00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:25,360 healers, you can start like specking into this and then it 954 00:55:25,360 --> 00:55:31,080 becomes like, Oh, now when I do like, let's say I am a resto 955 00:55:31,080 --> 00:55:34,680 Jurid and I typhoon and that typhoon is like they get pulled 956 00:55:34,680 --> 00:55:40,160 in. They're they lose threat on, on, 957 00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:45,800 on on non tanks with my hots on them and stuff like that. 958 00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:49,080 And then you would start using these sort of things in like 959 00:55:49,080 --> 00:55:52,480 creative ways to like be like, OK, well, threats, threats, an 960 00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:55,280 issue with this pack or whatever and play along. 961 00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:58,080 I just think it's it's a part of the game that I wouldn't want to 962 00:55:58,080 --> 00:56:01,920 completely remove and I don't want to throw it purely on tanks 963 00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:07,560 because the current gameplay is so like tanks are dealing with 964 00:56:07,560 --> 00:56:14,400 route, with routing, tanks are dealing with their defensives, 965 00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:19,080 Tanks are already dealing with like the pace of pulls based on 966 00:56:19,080 --> 00:56:23,800 how on like following DPS cooldowns and healer manner and 967 00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:25,640 all of that. There's all this information 968 00:56:25,640 --> 00:56:32,280 that tanks are dealing with and as Adpsi feel like DPS is 969 00:56:32,600 --> 00:56:35,840 interrupt everything and do damage. 970 00:56:35,840 --> 00:56:40,040 And I think you could, if you're removing that interrupt a little 971 00:56:40,040 --> 00:56:44,080 bit, you could fill that void and make it just something else 972 00:56:44,080 --> 00:56:48,880 to to deal with that isn't I'm going to die or it's a healer 973 00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:51,360 problem. Yeah, that also because going 974 00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:55,720 into the new mentality, the tonal shift we're making with 975 00:56:55,720 --> 00:57:00,640 add-ons and complexity and dungeons and raids and the 976 00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:03,160 direction Blizzard says they're going, you know, there is a 977 00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:07,400 genuine concern for some people that things will be either the 978 00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:10,120 if they hit the target that they're looking for, the things 979 00:57:10,120 --> 00:57:12,440 will be too simple, it'll be boring. 980 00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:16,760 And then by shifting this, you take some of that, you take some 981 00:57:16,760 --> 00:57:18,400 of that complexity and keep it in. 982 00:57:18,400 --> 00:57:21,320 But instead of the complexity just being make sure we a we 983 00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:23,160 stop when we're supposed to, make sure we kick the cast, 984 00:57:23,160 --> 00:57:25,320 we're supposed to it. It makes it a little bit more 985 00:57:25,320 --> 00:57:27,320 robust. It's like, yeah, we're still 986 00:57:27,320 --> 00:57:29,360 watching for big cast, we're still watching for important 987 00:57:29,360 --> 00:57:32,840 stops, but we're also watching this aspect that we're all able 988 00:57:32,840 --> 00:57:37,200 to engage in. Yeah, that's I I have not heard 989 00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:40,720 anybody suggest that yet. I like that. 990 00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:43,600 Might steal it for streaming tomorrow. 991 00:57:43,960 --> 00:57:47,600 Go ahead, I will try and get this episode out after the 992 00:57:47,600 --> 00:57:53,440 stream so that you look like the superstar with with that said, 993 00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:59,960 that is tank threat. That is that is causing people a 994 00:57:59,960 --> 00:58:03,800 lot of consternation. I do think that this buff I know 995 00:58:04,040 --> 00:58:05,600 you said it might help, but it will help. 996 00:58:05,680 --> 00:58:11,280 We just don't know to what degree I and I think that yeah 997 00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:15,560 like looking forward to going into 11 point 1.7. 998 00:58:16,080 --> 00:58:22,440 You did say though you did talk about the one button assists and 999 00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:26,600 the rotation, the rotational assistant. 1000 00:58:27,560 --> 00:58:31,680 But I did want to say that having been on the PTR just 1001 00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:34,480 today, just testing to see what it looks like when it's going 1002 00:58:34,480 --> 00:58:40,400 live, it does follow our add on conversation that we're having 1003 00:58:40,400 --> 00:58:42,640 here that we've had in previous episodes. 1004 00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:45,880 It's a start. It definitely could benefit from 1005 00:58:45,880 --> 00:58:51,280 customization being able to tweak it to help me. 1006 00:58:51,680 --> 00:58:58,160 I do want to say there are very deliberate gaps that I think 1007 00:58:58,160 --> 00:59:01,000 that this is where they're trying to get that 96%. 1008 00:59:02,760 --> 00:59:05,920 We already talked about the increased GCD in the one button, 1009 00:59:06,440 --> 00:59:08,200 right? And last week we're talking 1010 00:59:08,200 --> 00:59:11,920 about how, hey, it does do updates as it goes. 1011 00:59:12,200 --> 00:59:18,520 But Hi Kelly is smarter than this because Hi Kelly is giving 1012 00:59:18,520 --> 00:59:25,240 you the next three and Hi Kelly is going by a rotation that has 1013 00:59:25,240 --> 00:59:29,400 been sort of mapped out, while this one is just seeing it's 1014 00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:32,960 basically a priority list based on what is active right now. 1015 00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:39,880 And so big one, I think a big one is pandemic. 1016 00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:43,760 Now for those of you who aren't aware of what pandemic is, it is 1017 00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:48,560 when you have a heal over time or damage over time and it has a 1018 00:59:48,560 --> 00:59:52,400 certain amount left, you can refresh it and that amount left 1019 00:59:52,400 --> 00:59:55,000 will get added on to the duration of the next one. 1020 00:59:56,040 --> 01:00:00,640 The rotational assistant does not understand that. 1021 01:00:00,720 --> 01:00:04,800 So if your dot is on, it won't tell you to refresh it until it 1022 01:00:04,800 --> 01:00:09,360 falls off. That is Adps loss for every 1023 01:00:09,360 --> 01:00:13,280 class. That has a hot with you know 1024 01:00:13,280 --> 01:00:14,800 what, there's probably some niche out there. 1025 01:00:14,920 --> 01:00:17,120 Please don't come at me. No, it's every class man. 1026 01:00:17,120 --> 01:00:20,960 He doubled down every class. That's the DPS loss for all of 1027 01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:24,160 you, right? If you disagree you can jump 1028 01:00:24,160 --> 01:00:27,600 over to the discord if I don't know the discord. 1029 01:00:28,160 --> 01:00:35,720 Yeah, it is the same thing with abilities coming off cooldown. 1030 01:00:35,760 --> 01:00:40,560 It like there are times where people will like hold off on 1031 01:00:40,560 --> 01:00:42,920 certain abilities to make sure it's within their cooldown 1032 01:00:42,920 --> 01:00:45,760 window and all. Like throw in and throw in a 1033 01:00:45,760 --> 01:00:47,680 filler. This one will tell you to do 1034 01:00:47,680 --> 01:00:51,120 your cooldown even if like you, you might be better off holding 1035 01:00:51,120 --> 01:00:53,480 it off. Or the the opposite where it's 1036 01:00:53,480 --> 01:00:58,840 like you're casting a spell, you are seeing what it's suggesting 1037 01:00:58,840 --> 01:01:01,440 next, but the next ability, but the better ability is about to 1038 01:01:01,440 --> 01:01:03,360 come off and cool down. And Kelly will obviously be 1039 01:01:03,360 --> 01:01:06,640 like, hey, listen, by the time the spell's done, go cast this 1040 01:01:06,640 --> 01:01:08,680 one. While this one will say, oh, 1041 01:01:08,680 --> 01:01:10,840 it's not off cooldown now and then you'll be halfway through 1042 01:01:10,840 --> 01:01:13,880 casting your your filler spell. And if like, no, no, no, this 1043 01:01:13,880 --> 01:01:18,080 one, this one. So there, there are limitations 1044 01:01:18,080 --> 01:01:20,720 to it. I think that those limitations 1045 01:01:20,720 --> 01:01:23,760 are are purposeful at this point. 1046 01:01:23,760 --> 01:01:30,440 They've done a lot to to fix it up so that it is doing what I 1047 01:01:30,440 --> 01:01:32,160 think it should have done all along. 1048 01:01:32,320 --> 01:01:36,040 It is a great thing for people who have maybe like, you know, 1049 01:01:36,040 --> 01:01:41,440 trying out a different spec or trying out a class for the first 1050 01:01:41,440 --> 01:01:44,120 time and you just get like a feel for it. 1051 01:01:45,760 --> 01:01:52,320 And so I think that in general, it is placed pretty, pretty well 1052 01:01:52,320 --> 01:01:55,480 for that. The one button assists, same 1053 01:01:55,480 --> 01:01:57,400 sort of same sort of thing there. 1054 01:01:57,400 --> 01:02:01,280 If you are just jumping on a class for the first time or like 1055 01:02:01,400 --> 01:02:05,200 let's say Lex, you are, you're doing your tanking and you want 1056 01:02:05,200 --> 01:02:11,280 to focus on the other parts of tanking like your defensive 1057 01:02:11,280 --> 01:02:15,880 cooldowns, like your pathing. This will help you with that. 1058 01:02:16,000 --> 01:02:20,440 But I do think that for tanking and for healing, this might do 1059 01:02:20,440 --> 01:02:24,920 more damage than, I'm sorry, this might do this might 1060 01:02:24,920 --> 01:02:28,280 interfere with what you're trying to do more than you might 1061 01:02:28,280 --> 01:02:30,720 want. Because let's say you're you're 1062 01:02:31,360 --> 01:02:37,240 playing your warrior and you really should be pooling your 1063 01:02:37,240 --> 01:02:41,840 rage to use your defensive abilities. 1064 01:02:42,000 --> 01:02:44,960 But this thing's just constantly telling you to do DPS. 1065 01:02:45,440 --> 01:02:48,480 At certain point you're going to have to understand and preempt 1066 01:02:48,480 --> 01:02:53,120 it and say, Nope, I need to put put up my my defensive with 1067 01:02:53,120 --> 01:02:57,760 this, these resources instead of doing the execute and rage 1068 01:02:57,760 --> 01:03:03,680 dumping and so forth. So definitely good for DPS use 1069 01:03:03,680 --> 01:03:06,120 with care for healing and tanking. 1070 01:03:09,960 --> 01:03:13,640 With that said, what's the number one thing that you guys 1071 01:03:13,640 --> 01:03:16,880 are looking forward to with 11 point 1.7? 1072 01:03:18,200 --> 01:03:20,920 I'm going to give this one to you first, Sean. 1073 01:03:21,440 --> 01:03:24,200 I still lore walking but I do have to make a correction. 1074 01:03:24,920 --> 01:03:27,080 I'm I'm excited for the Rathi stories all but lore walking is 1075 01:03:27,080 --> 01:03:30,560 my number one thing. So there was an interview that 1076 01:03:30,560 --> 01:03:34,600 was poorly written that made it sound like Maria Hamilton said 1077 01:03:34,920 --> 01:03:38,840 that we were getting 38 lore walking stories but that is not 1078 01:03:38,960 --> 01:03:42,520 what she said at all. There are three lore walking 1079 01:03:42,640 --> 01:03:46,240 scenarios coming with the launch of 11 point 1.7 and there was a 1080 01:03:46,240 --> 01:03:50,400 fourth that was data mined that we may get at some point, 1081 01:03:50,640 --> 01:03:53,880 hopefully before 11.2. But more walk. 1082 01:03:53,880 --> 01:03:55,280 I'm very excited for lore walking. 1083 01:03:55,280 --> 01:03:58,840 I love those little mini bite size story things and also I'm a 1084 01:03:58,840 --> 01:04:01,240 big fan of Laura Walker Cho. Anytime we have a chance to 1085 01:04:01,240 --> 01:04:04,440 listen to Pooh Bear just makes me really happy. 1086 01:04:05,800 --> 01:04:08,520 OK. And Lex, are you also on the 1087 01:04:08,520 --> 01:04:11,240 lore walking chain or do you have something else that you're 1088 01:04:11,240 --> 01:04:12,440 looking to? I'm excited. 1089 01:04:12,520 --> 01:04:15,680 I'm excited for themselves. We'll see how much I actually 1090 01:04:15,680 --> 01:04:17,280 play them. I mean, I'm excited for the cute 1091 01:04:17,280 --> 01:04:19,080 little belt. I'm excited to feel special 1092 01:04:19,080 --> 01:04:21,400 because I'm a delves player and I get my cute little belt and 1093 01:04:21,400 --> 01:04:23,680 then my cute little belt is useful next season or it's not 1094 01:04:23,680 --> 01:04:25,760 and then I feel sad because I was excited about my cute little 1095 01:04:25,760 --> 01:04:29,040 belt. And I'm also obviously, as we 1096 01:04:29,040 --> 01:04:31,160 know, excited to get my dog to play with me. 1097 01:04:31,160 --> 01:04:32,800 It's not going to be an 11 point 1.7 though. 1098 01:04:32,800 --> 01:04:34,280 That's in the future. That's a future goal. 1099 01:04:35,800 --> 01:04:42,400 I am really sad about, OK, I'm of two minds of the belt. 1100 01:04:42,440 --> 01:04:47,840 I'm kind of sad because as it's positioned right now, it's about 1101 01:04:47,840 --> 01:04:50,280 like 10 item levels underpowered. 1102 01:04:50,400 --> 01:04:54,280 So whatever item level you have, just knock 10 and that's roughly 1103 01:04:54,280 --> 01:04:58,440 where it's at. But it already goes up to I 1104 01:04:58,440 --> 01:05:03,320 believe 700. Yeah, 694 I think. 1105 01:05:03,480 --> 01:05:09,080 Yeah, which makes it equivalent to the highest level we can get. 1106 01:05:10,040 --> 01:05:16,000 So like, it it it's it's something that you should get 1107 01:05:16,000 --> 01:05:20,520 leading into the next expansion as a rather the next the next 1108 01:05:20,520 --> 01:05:22,840 tier, but you're going to immediately replace it. 1109 01:05:22,840 --> 01:05:25,440 Which makes me think that Blizzard is probably going to do 1110 01:05:25,720 --> 01:05:28,240 exactly what they've done a million times before with this 1111 01:05:28,240 --> 01:05:31,320 borrowed power. They're going to buff it to the 1112 01:05:31,320 --> 01:05:38,480 moon and then part way through or like just ahead of the next, 1113 01:05:40,320 --> 01:05:42,880 the next patch, they're going to have to nerf it back into the 1114 01:05:42,880 --> 01:05:45,520 ground because it's over everything that we could get in 1115 01:05:45,520 --> 01:05:46,960 there. And you know what, it's actually 1116 01:05:46,960 --> 01:05:49,040 going to be part way through because they're going to allow 1117 01:05:49,040 --> 01:05:53,280 it to be oppressive until we're part way through progression. 1118 01:05:53,280 --> 01:05:55,080 And then we're going to have to go find new belts. 1119 01:05:55,640 --> 01:05:57,880 If we're lucky, Cersei circlet never got nerfed. 1120 01:05:57,880 --> 01:06:00,280 People are still nerfing Cersei circlet. 1121 01:06:00,360 --> 01:06:03,880 At 6:58, yeah, they're still wearing it, but it did get 1122 01:06:03,880 --> 01:06:06,880 nerfed after the nerf. It's still that good. 1123 01:06:07,760 --> 01:06:09,600 OK, I feel better. I thought that I was failing my 1124 01:06:09,600 --> 01:06:11,600 team. No, it's not. 1125 01:06:11,600 --> 01:06:16,840 You're doing great. I'm still wearing mine and the 1126 01:06:16,840 --> 01:06:26,200 only like you need your best at 684 ring and then even then some 1127 01:06:26,200 --> 01:06:28,720 classes are still just going to keep rolling with it. 1128 01:06:28,720 --> 01:06:36,800 So what's the lesser evil here? You know, I'm just going to say 1129 01:06:36,800 --> 01:06:41,720 just don't do them or you better yet just upgrade the ring so I 1130 01:06:41,720 --> 01:06:45,560 don't have two slots where I'm just like, this is not something 1131 01:06:45,560 --> 01:06:47,880 I want to deal with. It just feels really bad to. 1132 01:06:48,240 --> 01:06:52,280 I'm not wearing it anymore but it feels really bad to be. 1133 01:06:52,280 --> 01:06:54,440 I was wearing it up until like 2 weeks ago. 1134 01:06:54,920 --> 01:07:00,440 Like every other piece is 684 or 681 and your ring is 658. 1135 01:07:00,440 --> 01:07:03,160 And it's like, what are we doing here, man? 1136 01:07:03,160 --> 01:07:05,280 What are we? I remember a quote from a long 1137 01:07:05,280 --> 01:07:07,960 time ago, but we're going to put it in the the bin of quotes that 1138 01:07:07,960 --> 01:07:10,240 don't actually mean anything. That said, hey, we want you to 1139 01:07:10,240 --> 01:07:12,440 be able to loot an item that's a higher item level and equipment 1140 01:07:12,440 --> 01:07:17,080 immediately. Can we apply that at the rings? 1141 01:07:18,160 --> 01:07:19,680 OK, so except. For rings. 1142 01:07:19,680 --> 01:07:22,840 I feel like. Item level should always be 1143 01:07:22,840 --> 01:07:25,640 king, no matter what. If it's a higher item level, it 1144 01:07:25,640 --> 01:07:28,560 should be better than something that's lower rings. 1145 01:07:29,200 --> 01:07:31,080 No, sorry. I agree that item level should 1146 01:07:31,080 --> 01:07:33,880 be a general guide and item level should you should be able 1147 01:07:33,880 --> 01:07:35,760 to be like, OK, better item level. 1148 01:07:35,760 --> 01:07:37,960 That seems pretty cool. But I do think in certain 1149 01:07:37,960 --> 01:07:41,840 circumstances there should be an item where it's like, oh, this 1150 01:07:41,840 --> 01:07:44,600 thing is worth so much more of it than its item level. 1151 01:07:44,960 --> 01:07:53,920 And that is cool to me, but it has to be in very like niche 1152 01:07:53,920 --> 01:07:56,760 circumstances. It shouldn't be for this many 1153 01:07:56,760 --> 01:08:00,440 classes for this long. I think that we should do away 1154 01:08:00,440 --> 01:08:02,600 with item levels all together and everything should be vibes 1155 01:08:02,600 --> 01:08:06,760 based. I mean that used to be but like 1156 01:08:06,760 --> 01:08:09,000 I don't want to go back to vanilla or sorry I guess that 1157 01:08:09,000 --> 01:08:12,280 was BCA. Screenshot of trinkets for 1158 01:08:12,280 --> 01:08:16,279 tanks. OK. 1159 01:08:16,279 --> 01:08:20,040 And so while we are watching the that screenshot, we are actually 1160 01:08:20,040 --> 01:08:23,200 going to call this a show here. Oh I'll drop it on the discord 1161 01:08:23,200 --> 01:08:30,960 too, but the Tome of Lights devotion at item level 645 is 1162 01:08:30,960 --> 01:08:35,520 higher than any other trinket in the game right now at 684. 1163 01:08:37,920 --> 01:08:41,760 Good tuning. I love this drinking and it's 1164 01:08:41,800 --> 01:08:44,120 from dungeons so all my characters have it because the 1165 01:08:44,120 --> 01:08:47,560 DNR you only have to have 12 + 12 is done but it's crazy. 1166 01:08:48,080 --> 01:08:52,840 It's crazy. Yeah, remove the whitelist on 1167 01:08:52,840 --> 01:08:56,319 mastery. Anyways, let's let's call this 1168 01:08:56,359 --> 01:08:59,640 an episode here. Until next time guys, may all 1169 01:08:59,640 --> 01:09:00,720 your hits be crits.