You are having a massive Crest Crest savings which means you
can Max that gear out sooner, which then gives you an
advantage in mythic plus against somebody who's not clearing the
raid on mythic faster because your gear is now a higher level
than they can get at the same point because we're capped by
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Azeroth Hello and welcome back to another episode of For
Azeroth. I am one of your host Manny.
It gave true villain Manny and I have with me my 2 wonderful
codes. First introducing from the
lovely I was trying just trying to go for alliteration there,
but I failed. What's the place in I was going
to say Louisiana, but like I was thinking of something in between
like Burroughs or like Countryside that I couldn't
think of an L word. Anyways, Lex, how are you doing?
What about Montana? I hear the Big Sky country.
The mansions of Montana would work, but the like.
What of Louisiana? Lagoons of Louisiana.
Lagoons, I feel like there's there's another word that's like
on the tip of my tongue, but I can't figure out what it is.
And there's going to be like when people on Spotify made fun
of us for not knowing the difference between crawfish and.
Oh yeah, yeah. They make fun.
Of yes, people like I can't believe three people don't know.
I can't believe you get 3 people together and don't know anything
about crawfish. And I'm like I want to take a.
The La Bayous, we'll just go. We'll go flat out.
We'll just go nice easy landscapes of Louisiana.
There you go. And so Lex, how are you and
how's the World of Warcraft been treating you?
It's. Treating me good I got my little
butterfly today I decided to actually grind for something for
once in my life and because World of Warcraft loves bad luck
protection. It was like 3 days and then I
got my little butterfly. So yeah, I got a Pretty Little
butterfly and tomorrow my Guild is doing our final run of
dementias and then we will be obviously almost to actual
midnight. So-called 1155 kids.
There you go. Congratulations on the butterfly
mount and I hope that you guys enjoy your last run of
dementias. Everyone's doing.
In my server about how we're never going to be able to do it
because nobody's been practicing.
And I'm like, well, we'll see. From what I've heard we will be
OK. Yeah, I I think it was Sean who
1st called it that. Like the heavy nerves made it
pretty laughable to a lot of people so.
You're doing it on Heroic, right?
Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
OK. Yeah, you'll be fine.
And then the other voice that you just heard, of course, is
Sean. Hello, Sean.
How are you and how's the World of Warcraft been treating you?
I'm back. I took a show off.
I recovered or recouped. I'm doing good.
I haven't logged in to Warcraft. I did the love rocket a couple
of times because I guess you're supposed to.
I did see you logged in doing the love rocket.
I was just like. Yeah, I just do it once a day.
I pop in, I run it. If I get I got all of the other
mounts except for the Love Rocket, but then because I got
the butterfly I had to go and turn in my man card because that
means I'm an awful person who doesn't love war enough or
something. So there's that only.
Hatred. That's right, there's that.
Now I I had to sit in a re locked room with the lights
dimmed and stare at that picture of gramma shell scream that was
penned on a bar napkin by Chris Metzen 30 years ago until I felt
the testosterone returned to my body.
My penance has been served. OK, OK.
They wouldn't let you out of the room until you could answer that
age-old questions. Wahoo.
What is it good for? That's.
Right. That's right.
Yeah, yeah. All right, OK, well, I, I
haven't suffered that punishment yet, but I also got the
butterfly this year, got the butterfly, got the sweeper broom
that came out. And so all that is left is the
X-45, which remains my Moby Dick.
I am Captain Ahab. I have resorted to the old
account. Yeah, I flat out like I was, I
went like what? I think 3 days I was just like,
I'll go run through it on all these different characters.
I've actually got some characters I've hit like 80
because of this now, so that now they're ready for midnight and
like all of that. I guess I would have to do
anyways, because in order to have a chance at the mount, you
have to be like within, like, you have to like, at least try
and run these characters through.
But like, the first one is the highest, highest chance.
And so, yeah, I eventually was like, screw it.
Everybody was telling me like, just do the old account.
And it feels dirty, guys. It feels like cheating.
Do you have to pay for those accounts?
No. Oh, they're just starter.
They're starter accounts. Yeah.
You so for people who don't know how this works because it isn't
against the terms of service so I might as well just tell you
here. What you do is you just go over
to your Battle.net, you start up 4 starter accounts, you create
characters that are level 10 on on a server, you group your
starter accounts and your main account all into one party.
So make sure that somebody can be a healer and somebody can be
a tank. And then you've run the dungeon
because you're getting the the heart-shaped box all at the same
time and they're being generated at the same time.
All of those five chances have the the increase odds of getting
the the drops. So technically I've gotten 2
butterflies on the same day. Go ahead.
I remember in the before times when combat weak or as existed,
a lot of people who I would classify probably as people who
enjoy the content casually or collectors would scream you're
only so good because the weak or as play for you when they're
cheating. This is the collector version of
weak or as playing the game for you.
I'd say it's. Worse, but keep going.
So yeah, if you're doing this, you're not really a collector,
you're just getting it because you're cheating.
So. Good news, man, Would you, would
you say that like weak horse makes you less of a would you
say that weak horse make you less of a cutting edge Raider
because you had weak horse helping you there?
I would if I am being facetious, if we're if we're playing.
If we're playing Sean on the everyday, not just trying to win
this argument, where does Sean stand?
Oh, Sean would say, go get that mouth.
Go get. OK, just wanted to know.
Just because. Yeah, I don't know.
Because. Eventually people are going to
be like, huh, Sean seems to be talking out of both sides of his
mouth. Is that cheating?
Yeah, which Sean is the real Sean?
And the answer is neither. OK.
Yeah. So it's there.
It does give you the greatly increased chances.
It does ramp up bad luck protection for all of them
except for the of course the X 45, which doesn't have bad luck
protection. It just has its inflated chance
and then its regular chance. No bad luck protection on that
anyways. So then after I did that, I went
and I got the ZAI Trustee glider, the one that you have to
go into the raid. So I did some LFR.
Sorry to those people who were not expecting their tank to
ditch them part way through the boss after he got the stuff that
I needed. Manny.
You guys are telling me you go into LFR and you don't expect
your tank to ditch part way through?
At least I am the I am the tank. I am the tank, I know.
So you know you're ditching part way.
Through. I know you're prepared.
Yeah, technically I'm only planning to do that one boss
anyway, so I'm not ditching part way through.
I've done what I wanted to do in LF.
Yeah, it was. It was actually the one run I
only ditched after the first boss.
The second one, one I ditched after clearing all three because
you needed to get past Fractalis in order to get to the place
that I needed. So, you know, I wasn't always
bad, I was just bad when it convenienced me.
Yeah. But there's a lot going on in
World of Warcraft, but we're we've got so much that we're
going to have to narrow this down.
The first thing that I want to talk about is some upcoming
stuff that people are going to be dealing with.
This is a change in the way that you upgrade your gear.
Now everybody knows that valor points are going the way.
As a dodo, we're not going to be dealing with those anymore.
But it doesn't mean that you only need Crest to upgrade.
They have changed it so that on top of using Crest, you will
also need to pay some gold to upgrade your gear.
Now. It isn't that.
It isn't that the price is fixed, depending on what track
of gear you're on, that price will it will increase.
So veterans gear versus like mythic gear will have a
different cost per upgrade that you put out there.
And this kind of makes me wish that the the change where they
were allowing for up to 18 to give you further upgrades into
the path was there. Because that means that mythic
track at the end of the week from your vault, you're going to
have to spend the full full way upgrade.
Whereas every track below that you have the ability to save on
some of that upgrade. So it feels weirdly punitive to
the top level of play of play. Top level of mythic plus because
from raid if you are a mythic Raider, your gear will drop at
those elevated tracks the further in the raid you are.
So yeah. I have a question, Sean, if when
you're rating and you unlock the different gear because it's
based on the bosses that you've defeated it in a in A tier, the
earlier, the earlier gear that does get raised to the level,
right? Correct me wrong.
So like. It does.
Yeah, that's like a savings across the board from your
selection. Yeah, more so so the gold
savings I think it's I have I have I have feelings with the
gold savings, but I have had a converse, a very good and deep
conversation with a friend who feels the exact opposite that I
do. So I will say that I think the
gold amount is negligible for the upgrades.
I think Blizzard hurt us with the trans mug stuff and said OK,
we will make this cost less. I will talk about his point of
view later on. But more importantly, the the
biggest savings is in the Crest cost because Crest cost goes up
now when you upgrade. So it's like 10 for the first
track, 20 for the second track, 30 up to whatever.
So it ramps up so that it's going to be harder to upgrade
tracks into the further ones. So if you're clearing the raid
sooner in mythic, you are having a massive Crest savings, which
means you can Max that gear out sooner, which then gives you an
advantage in Mythic Plus against somebody who's not clearing the
raid on mythic faster because your gear is now a higher level
than they can get at the same point because we're capped by
crests. So the the Crest savings from
the vault from from mythic grading is is massive.
It is a massive, massive advantage.
Sort of be goblin on Maine, but doesn't this push a lot of weird
power into crafted gear 'cause if you crafted something high
and then suddenly you don't need to pay for those crests that
means. Crafted gear is significantly
more valuable in Season 1 at midnight as of this recording.
We don't actually have like official numbers from Blizzard,
but everything that we've data mined and seen on the PTR as of
this recording, crafted gear is a massive, massive Crest savings
over levelling up the gear over over gear.
Like raising your your gear through the the upgrade system.
Understood. I will say as the resident
brokey on this podcast, I also think this cost is negligible.
I think it's stupid and annoying, especially since so
many other things are costing more gold.
And as again the resident brokey.
Like I would rather not spend as much gold, but currently we're
looking at almost like close to 4000 gold to upgrade everything
to mythic. Assuming I'm assuming the
Wowhead did their math right, I'm not doing it again.
And you get that in world quests and stuff like that just kind of
drops over time. You got that through like
reading and selling things. It's not like I again, I'm not
looking at these numbers like this is devastating.
I think it's dumb. I think it is a dumb gold sync
for no apparent reason and the fact that the number like either
the numbers are negligible and don't matter, in which case why
are we doing this? It's silly, it's negatable, it
doesn't matter or the gold is high enough that it hurts, in
which case this is stupid. Why are we making it hurt right?
So like why, frankly, valor stones were nicer because I
could I don't know, I don't think I don't really I think
it's annoying, but I don't really like deeply care right.
This isn't ruining midnight for me.
I I hope they don't I Blizzard don't do it.
It's dumb but like. I, I want to, I want to talk
about two points that you raised there.
One was that like it feels negligible as a gold sink.
Negligible costs are amazing gold sinks.
If you get 5 gold from like a million players, that's better
than hitting 500 gold from 10 players.
People will block at 500 gold to be like, whoa, I'm not going to
like suddenly 3 digits crazy right?
But 5 gold, 5 gold, 5 gold and you hit and you hit like a
million players you've made you've taken way more gold out
of the system in general. So it's it being negligible to
both you and Sean, but not Sean's friend, right?
That's I think that's a really good way of doing a gold, a gold
sink. The second thing is, yeah, Lex
is like when you're looking at this and you're thinking of
World Quest, a world Quest today, gold's back in World
Quest. That was a little bit of drama
we missed where gold disappeared from World Quest and then they
came back in. But gold's back in World Quest
and you're getting something like 809 hundred gold on a World
Quest. I think I've seen some in the
before times that were that like we're over 1000, which means
that like throughout a week, yeah, you could build up enough
gold to like pay through half, if not most of the of this
upgrade track in today's gold runs.
Whereas I don't suspect that most people will take something
from like one out of six to six out of six in a single week
generally right, because they'll be capped on Crest and other
resources. So I think that the gold isn't
going to be the limiting factor here.
This isn't them trying to suddenly push everybody towards
getting a token to like pay for their their gold cost.
This is as I think this feels less painful than repair costs.
When like you've had a hard night wiping like this, this
feels far, far more manageable and actually rewarding rather
than punishing. I so I don't care and I actively
try to only give my point of view on on the podcast.
I don't like to speak for the community at large or especially
player groups that I don't belong to or even people in my
own player group. I tried to just say, hey, here's
how this feels to me and that this is my feedback for how it
affects Sean. But I do want to address because
you guys are sort of in the same boat.
You're like, OK, whatever. It's.
Sure, Yeah, I'd love to hear what your friend was trying to.
Say so for the record my friend. Also this is negligible for
them. He plays as much as we play, if
not more so. He said this will never affect
me, but he said he doesn't ever want the situation to be where
buying a token is the right way to play.
And I I bought at that. And he said there are players,
let me find it here. There are casual players who log
in twice a week and now you're telling them they have to choose
between upgrading their gear or saving gold for amount.
He said it's negligible to us, but for the majority of players
who aren't playing this game like a living, they're going to
feel this. And I don't belong to that
group. And I would also say, is that
group really getting that much gear to upgrade?
But I don't, I don't know, maybe, maybe they are.
I want to push back on that, but I'm going to let Lex have her
say first. Oh yeah, I was going to have my
collectors don't raid moment and say I don't really think as
somebody who tends to raid log a little bit, like I don't think
people who are only logging in once a week and I don't think
they're pushing the gear. I don't think they're going to
be doing these upgrades a lot. And again, I say this as one of
them, right? I do not upgrade my like I'm
looking at these numbers and I'm like, yeah, OK, that's about
what I would collect and it's worth.
I don't know that we've read out the gold numbers if we did and
I'm. Forgetting no, I just gave a
ballpark because it's beta. They might change and stuff.
But yeah, for current reference of what we're talking about, go
ahead and read those out. So currently Adventure track
it's 10 gold per upgrade, Veteran track it's 20 gold per
upgrade, Champion track it's 30 gold per upgrade, Hero track
it's 40 gold per upgrade, and Mythic is 50 gold per upgrade.
I actually think that does kind of scale with how much you play,
right? If you are really just like
logging in to do like a Dell of a week for the walls of it and
you're not pushing anything, you're going to make at least
enough to upgrade through 10 gold.
You know, 1020, maybe 30 gold. But frankly, again, I'm pretty
grade loggy and I am not. I wouldn't be concerned if it
was all the 50 gold. I'd still think it's dumb, but
like I I really think that these are pretty on par with what you
are going to make doing the content that would give you
those upgrades or giving that that would give you that right.
So I'm, I, I guess I'm also a little bit curious what you're
trying to meant specifically by like, we don't want someone
who's like has to choose between saving for a mount and like, I'm
actually, I'm trying to think of what dude, there's always going
to be competing desires. If you're like, if you're, if
you're pushing and saving goals, that's an entirely different
world if you're like trying to get something, but I don't
think, I mean at that point it's the same thing as like, are you
going to feel like you have to buy a craft so you can do your
gear upgrade, right? I don't think Sean can like
debate for his friends, right? Yeah.
But like I would, I would caution anybody who is making a
claim like that, that you are trying to invent a character
that exactly is the is the perfect victim of the of such a
system, right? Somebody who is looking to
purchase a mount, but upgrading their gear who somehow was able
to pay the hundreds and thousands of gold that we paid
in the War Within to get gems, enchantments and so forth, like
commissions on crafting gear, right, but it's somehow now
balking at these numbers in the inflated goal that we're going
to get in midnight is such a strange case to make to me that
I like I want to call an illogical extreme.
I I like it's creating the straw man almost.
But again, like this is like, yes, this is a little bit more
strained one way, right? And it can negatively impact
some players that are like, I really just wanted to raid log.
But those people who were just raid logging, were they getting
enough valor to go straight through to the top?
Or did they then need to log in and get more valor, which is
now, hey, just go get gold and congratulations, you get gold in
a myriad of different ways. I don't see this as a
punishment. I just think this opens up
different ways for people to do it.
If they want to not leave town and instead sell stuff on the
auction house that's now valid for of them.
They don't have to go do the world quest.
They don't need to be like, well, I got to go look through
the world map and see what's available to get me this thing,
right? Indestructible gear is now
suddenly like that much more powerful for them because now
they save on the repair cost and they go through this, right?
I can ask, I can like easily transfer gold from 1 alt to the
to the other. Now people don't need to
complain that valor points are character locked for so long,
right? Like there's so many ways that
this is an improvement. I think people are so quick to
find this special case where it's going to hurt somebody and
it's like on the average, on the vast majority of the cases, I
think this is a win. Yeah, me, me too.
Yeah, I said, I dramatically said something about like, I
wish we didn't. I would rather have Valor.
That's not true. It is, as Manny pointed out, it
actually is significantly easier to grind gold than Valor and.
And you can just buy a token like you know.
What I mean, that's, that's what we don't want to know what he
wants. Nobody wants to hear that, but
like tripper boost is going to hit and it's going to be a
while. I got to upgrade all this shit.
There. Are times.
Token like almost like at least a few months ago and I've been
riding that high. I still log in sometimes.
I'm like I have over 300. Go.
We just finished a pretty big series of sales, so I'm over
2,000,000 for the first time ever.
There you go, there you go. I I wanted to just take this
moment to give a shout out to all the Ray leaders that ate way
too many of those beans that like taste different ways and
may have had like the needed to get their stomach pumped.
We we, we give a cheer out to you, Brock and everyone who did
that. Oh, the bean boozle.
Yeah. Yeah.
But moving on from that, we've got another piece of power
that's coming into the World of Warcraft.
And this one I'm a little bit more upset about because it has
been data mined that there is a quest where you and five people
need to complete this quest in order to get augment runes or
crests or a myriad of different things that you might want to
improve your power and get through World of Warcraft.
I know that doesn't sound like anything that I should be upset
about, but the reason that I dislike this is because it is a
quest that requires you to go to one of the players houses and
just be there while the house owner is there.
Player housing shouldn't be connected to power in my eyes,
not even in the slightest. This is very low hanging fruit
and it's so easy to do. It doesn't seem to say what the
duration is. It's probably something that
once all of you have zoned in and the game checks, which is
like I think every every second or so, it'll be like
congratulations, go turn this in.
It's incredibly easy to complete.
It is such a quick and easy way to get those augment runes
because we have had over the last couple of expansions, those
runes becoming a little bit harder to come by if you're not
a tank or healer that can like get them from the LFG system.
And so, hey, like I'll take advantage of this, but I don't
want it to exist. To be fair, Throwing this to you
first, Lex, what what do you think about this this quest I.
Think there's no world where they leave this weekly.
I think that is insane. I think this is going to be a
one time quest. I could be wrong, I'm wrong
about a lot of things, but I do agree.
Reading this Wowhead article I they're talking about how like
it's not that big of a bump because it doesn't give you
mythic Don crafts. I cannot.
Again, maybe it's just that I don't tank.
I can't imagine anyone knocking. That's huge, right?
Like those are so hard. At least I I had a really hard
time getting them. I don't know, maybe I'm bad at
this. Well, I'm OK.
You know what I did, you did forget to list all the different
things that you could get. So would you be able to list
those for us, Lex? Just so we we bring everybody up
to speed. Yes, so you're you can choose
either 20 hero Don crafts 40 champion Don crafts 60 veteran
Don crafts 500 void like moral. I'm not sure what that is.
I'm not sure if everyone else is or three void touched augment
rooms. And then you also get the base.
So you pick one of those and you get in the essence of lumber 500
more void light moral for 25 community coupons, which for
those of you who haven't been playing the in housing yet,
that's how you buy cute little things at the end of the
endeavors and like 34 gold. I again am famously not very
good at this game. 3 augment runes a week would be a huge
power upgrade for me. I wasn't getting those until I
was hitting the end of the rain track.
So unless they were going to be giving you void light augment
rune or void touch augment runes much more generously in in
midnight overall that in and of itself is a huge upgrade.
And I just I I don't think this will be weekly.
I I really see this as a one time thing that is going to be
fun. Like you know when you log in
you get your first 3 rooms and you all go hang out at someone's
house and then you're. Done OK I if it was a one time
thing I feel like every guide writer is going to say grab the
runes you'll get everything else.
You'll get everything else quicker.
Especially unless those press don't crown towards your weekly
cap or something. It like the which would be
utterly broken. But do you find it more
acceptable as a one time thing with those with those rewards?
Yeah, I'm not as concerned about it being like, like I think a
little bit of player power from housing like one time, this
isn't getting right. Like you can get all of these
things pretty easily, including the augment ruins that are
losing my mind about. I agree.
I think that they would be the number one choice regardless,
but especially if it's a one time thing.
But it's not that hard to get. It's hard if you're whiny like
me, but it's not that terrible to get Augment Ruins if you
really want to. So I don't think it's a huge
crazy boost. The one thing that I'm a little
bit icky on is that it does kind of reward having friends, right?
I'm sure, especially this weekly, that they'll be like
group finders that you can join. But I think power that goes to
having just people you can log in and hang out with, I would
argue is potentially a little bit worse than like player power
coming from housing because you built a really cool house.
But again, I don't think it's going to be that big of a deal.
I think it's going to be really easy to find a group if this is
the thing you need to find groups for, right?
Like it'll be in discords and they'll be group Finder things.
Oh, yeah, I'll set it. I'll do it myself.
I will like literally sit there with four friends and be like,
we'll rotate you through everybody, get you, get your
prize because I, I would hate for this to be gate kept.
But Sean, what are your thoughts on this?
I well, first of all, I don't think there's any shot this is
weekly. I'm pretty sure this is much
like the cracked keystone that you got at the end of delves was
a one time thing to push you into.
Hey, you like delves? Try mythic plus.
I think this is a hey, why don't you check out housing in case
you haven't, you know this, that's what this is.
This is a my suspicion is this is a one time quest.
I also think the augment runes are going to be soul bound, much
like the augment runes that we got from the quest for killing
the soul hunters were at which completely devalues them.
And the real big brain play is to take the purple enchanting
material on all of your alts and sell that on the auction house.
Take the augment runes on your main if they're soul bound, and
then take the enchanting mats on every alts that you have and
sell those on the auction hose. That's the play.
I don't, I mean, I understand they said we're not going to tie
power to player power to housing.
If if this is a one time quest, which is what I suspect it is
for, crests aren't moving the needle, 3 augment rooms aren't
moving the needle. This is fine.
If it's just as a goal post to say, hey, we have this new
feature called player housing. Maybe you haven't tried it out
yet. Go check it out.
I think that's fine. You want to direct people there.
This is our this is the the box feature of midnight player
housing. It's targeted at bringing
players back to the game, bringing in new players.
It just makes sense that you would have something pointing at
it. Yeah, I don't think there's any
shot it's weekly. But I got to be honest, even if
it is weekly, I still don't really care.
I understand everybody's concerns, but if it's weekly,
it's just free gold. If it just if it's weekly, just
go get your camping mats and sell them on the auction house
and pay for your upgrades that you were upset about earlier.
Yeah, I I think it's probably a one time quest that says, hey,
check this out, you know, check out player housing is what I
think. I also think we don't need to
raise our pitchforks until we know data mined stuff doesn't
always make it to live. Yeah, but I do hear.
If it is a weekly, that would also make it even more punishing
to not have friends, right, Because it'll be so like if if
it's like, for example, if it's weekly, what we're but I'm sure
my red Guild is going to do is every single Thursday when we
all log in, the first thing we all do is go to someone's house
for two seconds and then go jump in the right and everyone gets
their augment rooms and we use that for the night and we move
on. Or whatever you want to get from
your class that I'm sure will be harder if like if it is a
weekly, I my guess is it, it's going to get a little bit more
challenging to find things like group Finder or Discord groups,
especially if you aren't really in a lot of communities, you
don't really know how to lock into that.
And so you're going to just every week get a little
disadvantaged. I'm with Sean, though.
Like I said from the beginning, I really don't think they're
keeping. This quickly hi, I'm I'm
wondering if raid teams are going to be like Timbermont
Tavern. They're going to create the
group and then just invite the Raiders 1 by 1 into the house
and that's when they inspect them and be like, oh, go to the
doctor house, go get your gear set up.
But you know, for the nicer teams like I'm sure they'll do
they'll just do it as like a fun little thing.
But yeah, that'll be I don't like it.
I don't like when they like if you set something, you should
stay the hell away from it. And there should be no player
power attached to attached to this.
Really. I don't mind if it's like gold
and here is like some cool little decor like they'd be
doing Twitch drops like they've been doing all these
advertisements. That's how you get people Be
like, oh cool, what? How do I set this up?
Cool, let me go do the tutorial and throw my little plushy
plushy down. That to me is how you guide
people to do this. If you suddenly be like, hey,
hey, hey, hey, want to get some like epic gear or and attach
that to like doing the tutorial for housing.
I don't like it. I like it all.
Anyways, I'd love to hear what the FAST community thinks about
this. So Fazzers, join in at bit dot
LY slash FAST discord and let us know.
Still can't believe FAZZ Hands didn't win.
I'm happy fazzers, I'm happy, I'm happy for us.
But next year we're doing another vote and I'm just saying
I've been pumping the discord full of FAZZ Hand fans.
I will make 100. The voting will continue until
Sean wins. That's.
Right. All right.
With that said, I think this is a great opportunity to thank all
of our patrons. Sean, would you be willing to
give that little? Yeah, I don't have the thing
open. I'm going to do this.
Natty, from memory. Are you ready?
Here we go, Patrons. We want to give a big thank you
for everybody at the FAZ team, to you, for Azeroth.
We'll always be free, however if you feel like supporting us, you
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I don't know what our Patreon is.
FAZ podcast and you get all kinds of fun stuff like the pre
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It's very short today because my partner has just come home since
I haven't seen her since Christmas, but I still am
dedicated to FAZ and I'm here to record because of you,
specifically you if you're listening.
FAZ patron #17. You in particular are the reason
that I have chosen to be here tonight instead of upstairs with
my wife. Thank you for your patronage,
FAZ patron #17. We really do appreciate you
being here and spending time away from Anjali.
So we're that. Let's talk about our last news
story. I'm going to pass this to you,
Sean, so you can get through it quickly.
I don't. Even have it in front of me.
I don't remember what the third story was.
Our third story. Is I don't know, it's the.
Customization, Customization. It's the customization, yeah.
So it was a big interview. And Blizzard said, hey, we hear
you. We're going to focus on doing
customization for new classes. And I got to tell you, I just
wanted to talk about this because I just wanted the chance
for FAZ dev to hear me say pleadingly, make up undead one
of the customization options, please.
I care about nothing else. Yeah, everybody has the
customizations that they have on their wish list.
There are a lot of things that seem like low lying fruit.
There are customizations that are on the night Elves or Blood
Elves that aren't on the Night Born or on the Void Elves and
vice versa. There are things that can be
done for macro orcs versus orcs and so forth just across
pollinate. Those are the low lying fruit.
But further from that, I think that there is a great thing to
do to add additional customization.
I would love if my like wizard or priest did not look like they
benched like my body weight every week I give.
Me, those thin colturans I want, you know, like the the scary
skinny colturans with a book, Ichabod Crane.
I want those. I think I think so too.
Like, I think there's a lot of things I would love if they had
like a just like the ability to select various animations so
that your character didn't move, like every character of your
race, slash, slash, like body type.
I think that there's different body types that they can throw
out there and all sorts of things that they can do that are
obviously far more labor intensive.
And therefore, I don't expect that this is something that they
should do all at once, But I would like them to switch away
from what they did in Warlords where they did a big update to
all the player models in. And instead do what they've been
doing more recently, which is adding new hair colors in this
batch. Because hey, we want to throw in
hair colors, adding in a new animation here because we're
doing this animation with like this enemy.
And I think that'd be cool for players to have that animation.
So we got lean, so we got stuff like that.
And if they can, I think forward where it's like, hey, we're not
going to just do this for like this one time thing, but we're
also going to throw this in with players.
I think they can like give us a more steady stream of these
things without having to like devote a ton of resources to it.
Because I know immediately there's going to be a question
of like, is this going to cost us a raid tear?
And I really don't want that. We're getting so many raids and
and such in midnight. And I love that switch.
I'm not asking you to stop that. I just if you're going to do
this and I want you to do this, just mix it into the in the
natural flow live team. Come at come at it right.
I don't I don't think we need we need to like radically change
things from what what they are right now.
But like you guys are putting out amazing mounts and amazing
cinematics and like some of the music in in these raids and in
these areas has been really amazing.
And so I think like you could similarly do the same thing with
player expression because like that's how we interact with this
world is through our characters. Yeah, I do think there's
actually a little bit of an argument for doing a really deep
push for character upgrades. In my head, I'm almost thinking
of this is like the same way that they've dedicated to an
absurd team, to housing spending a tier where they're like is an
art team that is just laser focused on character
customization. Partially because it does feel,
and I say this is a blood off player.
So I'm, I believe in one of the lucky classes.
It's not like the number of customizations per class or per
race are identical. And so it does kind of feel like
I worry that if it's just we're rolling things out as we think
of them, that the less thought of class of races, I really
cannot put my brain on straight today, the less thought of races
are. Just going to keep kind of
getting ignored and it's going to keep being like, oh, sick,
you know, be a really cool human customization.
Oh man, you know what? I'm really good on a night owl.
Like there's a risk that if you are not very careful and
thoughtful about how you are building customizations to make
it comfortable and equal to all of the races, that it becomes
like you just kind of accidentally keep piling the
popular one that most of your devs are probably playing just
by virtue of the fact they're most popular.
So you're getting those feedback on just by virtue of the fact
that they're most popular? Yeah, that's how old.
Sorry. Go ahead.
Oh yeah, it's also not like that.
Think of a deal. And they are talking about other
things they could do, like using glyphs and things like that.
So they could also hit this kind of creatively.
So they, for example, give different walk styles that you
can kind of do whatever your race is.
So it's less like, I'm just going to like, we have to go fix
the goblins, we have to go do the gnome.
And it's also not like housing in a sense of like you don't
need a huge team to work on it because it's more cute little
upgrades than not. We are going to build a whole
new system from scratch and make sure it works and give you a
bunch of stuff so that it's fun for the.
UK yeah. I mean like I I pointed to the
allied races because in my mind Volpeer don't move like Volpeer
they are just goblins with fur and that annoys the crap out of
me. But like, to your point and I, I
think this might be a quote from Sean.
I think, Sean, this is where where I got it from.
So, so correct me if I'm wrong, but like, humans don't need a
million different eyebrows because like.
That's not a quote from me. I love my eyebrows.
OK OK. Not my real ones.
I barely have any in real life, which is why I want so many in
the game. I only use one pair.
There's only one set I use, that's the ones that look like
they're drawn on really thick. So I actually, I guess we only
need one set of eyebrows. You're right, Manny, it wasn't
me who said that, but I agree with it.
OK, one set of eyebrows and beardless dwarfs.
And beardless dwarfs. And, you know, beards for
trolls, Beards for trolls. Yeah, give the dwarf beards to
the trolls I'm down for. That not a dwarf.
Beards are garbage. Give trolls their own beard.
Beards we don't. We don't beard judge here.
They're not garbage, they're just not for you.
I'm sorry, they're not for me and some of them may actually
have cans of garbage in them the way that they like put them
together. So I don't think I'm being here
regardless. Yeah, I would love to see a lot
more for different for different players.
One thing that I would want to prioritize is hairstyles and
different skin tones. We had that entire push where
they're like, hey, we're going to put in like different skin
tones for, for characters. And we got some black
representation and Black History Month.
So I will, I will flat out say that.
But like there are other people of color other than like black,
black and white. And I'd love to see some some of
that representation put in to like the races where it makes
sense, such as elves and humans and dwarves and gnomes, because
they're basically all humanoids of the of similar.
So I'd love to see it, would love to see those prioritized.
And yeah, like, get on it, please.
I would love that. Is there any particular
customization that you would like to see just like off the
top of your head? I'm going to first hand it to
Sean, actually. Sorry I put you guys on the
spot. I'll give mine and then I'll
I'll. I already gave it.
I can go. I can go first.
OK. Yeah.
Upright undead. All right, All right, Right.
It's the. So if you go to Zoltazar, the
only redeeming qualityable Zoltazar is that the forsaken
guards at stand inside of King Rasta Khan's temple are all
standing upright. And they look imposing.
They look confident. They're majestic.
They are majestic AF, as the kids would say they are.
Looks maxing. I learned that term this week
and I want that in the game. I would swap a lot of my
characters over to undead if I could just stand up straight.
Let me fix that posture. No, I don't want to be
shrimping. That's my pick.
I want that. Fazdev, please, I will do
anything. I will even stop saying
incendiary things that make Manny frustrated if you just
give me upright undead for legal reasons, I can't guarantee that
will. Happen yeah that that's a that's
a lie. Don't promise things that you
can't deliver. What are you a Blizzard dev?
So I want to say that in chat, Goblin graphics has said undead
need elf ear options like having like different races that can be
undead since we've gone past that, especially with the
trailer that came out today. Did I miss lore?
Have I said this every single time?
Did can Blvd. now change non humans?
Well, considering Death Knights are all races, yes.
Well don't, but as an old undead role player this is actually a
little bit sticky because the Arthus could raise non humans as
undead but Sylvanus couldn't. She was only able to raise
humans and so that's one of the arguments for why undead are all
humans is. I think even with Arthus he was
overwhelmingly raising humans. Well, the problem is that like
when Arthur's came on upon Silver Moon and it's and see
Silver Moon and they just did the entire short animation.
They have now confirmed right that the elves did get turned
into into undead, especially since Sylvanas also got turned
into undead so long ago. So like it's it's just it's such
a pigeonhole sort of thing of like a kind of just weird
justification where you should have.
And we've had dark dark Rangers, right, that Sylvanas made in
BFA. So I don't know what is being
like picked out. Like it was probably a thing
that those said at the time and then later on they just threw it
out the window. There's been multiple times
where we have seen other races, well particularly elves, become
undead. Right, that's fair.
OK, I took it back up. We should get elf ears.
We're undead. Yeah I would I would love a a
undead organ, just bone wolf. But they have way more lore to
say that they can't be. Undead.
No, no, no, that what I'm just like there's like like that's
what it's like. Oh, even though I would want to
at least I know that there's a solid Lord that says that that's
a no go. Like the curse protect protects
them from the from one death anyways.
So yeah, I think that that that would be a very cool thing to
see Goblin. But Lex, what about you?
So. This isn't what you wanted me to
say at all because I'm not answering the question
correctly, but I would like customization or just options
that make my pets interact practice anymore.
That is one thing in Final Fantasy Online that like the joy
that it brings me when I'm running around and I realize
I've had something on my shoulder.
I'm like that baby or like you would a pet one and actually
moves like yes, 100% that. There's that one that they did
on the like sale thingy that does climb on your shoulder.
I just think hunters would love that if like whenever you did an
emotion, your pet reacted to that same emotion.
So you're doing like slash chair and like your fox just runs
around you and does like it's a little an emotion and stuff.
Hunters would love that. I don't even care if that's
considered not answering the question.
I think that's great for character customization.
I think that's a big win there, Lex.
I meant little pets but actually I like that one even more.
I think that you're like hunter. Pets should 100% also be
interacting with you. Or Warlock, you know, Warlock
doesn't roar and your demon behind uses like it's just like
look back at your MP, like come on, Steve, what's that?
There's a lot of things that would just bring it in so that
yeah, that would be cool. And then for me, just to give us
our last one, I would say that that I would love for animations
to sort of linger in your idol. They did this in Legion where
depending on what weapon you had, you had different idol
animation. So like you had like the water
that was around you, if you were a resto shaman or little nature
that would come up if you were a druid and so forth.
Animations like that just to like lend to your, your
character would be great as well.
But even just changing voice lines so that again, I just, I
don't like that if you are a mag car or male body type or body
type 2 or 1, like you just have the exact same voice and exact
same lines, different lines that you could select and be like,
this is my voice in in there. And like, this one's a little
more grouchy or this one's a little more playful, and that
sort of stuff would be fantastic anyways.
Go back to old Blizzard world where you just get the interns
in and have them do a bunch of voice lines you like.
Pick from these. Would be would be definitely
against a lot of union stuff, but we'll leave that for a
different episode. With that said, we are going to
call this a short episode because people have loved ones
to see or you know, chili to make if you're me.
Either way, we're all going to feel warm inside.
And so until next time guys, may all your hits be crits.