1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:05,680 Telling your team that there's going to be another 1600 for all 2 00:00:05,680 --> 00:00:09,120 eliminations or or layoffs over the next year is really hard. 3 00:00:09,640 --> 00:00:13,000 I think just having people work with like a a sword over their 4 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:16,480 head sucks. Victory for the Forsaken. 5 00:00:16,840 --> 00:00:22,720 For Lauderon. For the Karen Tour for Pandaria. 6 00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:30,160 For calendar to the. Burning region for Gilnaeus 7 00:00:36,440 --> 00:00:43,280 Sindori, for the Alliance, for the Horde, for Azeroth. 8 00:00:45,480 --> 00:00:49,200 Hello and welcome back to another episode of For Azeroth. 9 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:52,680 I am your host, Manny Akie, the true really Manny. 10 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:58,040 And I am joined by the lovely, the ever wonderful Lex rants. 11 00:00:58,040 --> 00:01:01,360 Hello Lex, how are you? I was going to say luscious and 12 00:01:01,360 --> 00:01:05,600 I'm like, that seems weird. I was trying for an alliteration 13 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:08,360 thing and it was just like, no, no, abandoned that. 14 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:09,840 But how's the way to work after you? 15 00:01:10,360 --> 00:01:12,760 I thought I'd be chewing you into loquacious because we did 16 00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:14,200 have. I had a little conversation with 17 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:18,000 my boss this week about how I don't need to send four 18 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:20,840 paragraph long emails every single time I talk to her. 19 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:29,440 Yeah, so bless up. But yeah, I'm doing well. 20 00:01:29,960 --> 00:01:31,480 The World of Warcraft is treating me very well. 21 00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:34,200 Actually. We got AOTC this week, so I have 22 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:36,200 officially gotten all my fun little goals. 23 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:39,040 I'm still trying to figure out exactly what I'm going to do 24 00:01:39,080 --> 00:01:41,480 next season, whether I'm going to go back to Demon Hunter or 25 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:45,640 stay on heels. So and I just today played 26 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:49,400 through the new storyline, which I was able to grind out in a 27 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:50,520 couple hours. So good to know. 28 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:52,800 Although do bear in mind, don't make the mistake that I made. 29 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:55,200 There's a place midway through they're going to make you go 30 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:59,080 through a dungeon and one of the bosses has something you have to 31 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:01,280 pick up. And if you are in a mythic plus 32 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:04,160 group, you are not going to think, oh, I need to loot a boss 33 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:05,960 because you don't loot bosses in mythic plus. 34 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:09,240 And then if you do that and leave, you'll have to go through 35 00:02:09,240 --> 00:02:11,400 very grumpy in a follower dungeon to get to that point. 36 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:14,800 Stupid. Nobody knows how to stupid stuff 37 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:18,360 so don't do that. Or do if you really wanted to 38 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:19,920 have a really bad follower dungeon. 39 00:02:21,920 --> 00:02:24,600 Very unnecessary follower dungeon if you've already done 40 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:26,680 an on Mythic Plus. Understood. 41 00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:30,000 Understood. Yeah, but like, you'd have to 42 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:32,160 get the right key for Mythic Plus. 43 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:36,240 It's an entire ordeal, yeah. There are a lot of groups for 44 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:40,080 this dungeon going right now. I, I pugged A10 also, it's the 45 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:43,280 first time I've solo pugged on as a healer, I think since I 46 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:45,200 last played healer. So I'm feeling very proud of 47 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:47,600 myself, very excited. It was very good. 48 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:50,600 I did yell at the tank. The tank was mean, but not to 49 00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:52,120 me. And that's the joy of finally 50 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:53,360 being kind of good at mythic plus. 51 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:55,440 I get to now be the person who if somebody else decides to be 52 00:02:55,440 --> 00:02:58,640 mean in the mythic plus, I get to yell at them and I can 53 00:02:58,640 --> 00:03:02,520 because I did a good job. This, if anything is going to 54 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:05,120 convince me to be good at mythic plus, it's the fact that I then 55 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:08,520 get to step in and be like, hey, it's a learning key. 56 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:11,440 You don't get to yell at them. If you didn't want to do a 57 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:12,720 learning key, you shouldn't have. 58 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:17,240 I signed up for a learning key but also like learning key and 59 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:19,760 we timed it like so they're shutting up. 60 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:24,160 OK. I mean, yeah, yeah, we're not 61 00:03:24,160 --> 00:03:26,760 going to go into the entire story of like maybe they were 62 00:03:26,760 --> 00:03:28,880 trying to be helpful at the end of the day and stuff. 63 00:03:28,880 --> 00:03:31,040 I do they. Were not they they did this one 64 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:33,920 made me feel like now I feel kind of silly and embarrassed 65 00:03:33,920 --> 00:03:36,040 that I even brought up the time the tank yelled at me because 66 00:03:36,040 --> 00:03:38,640 the tank in Rep like in comparison was very nice. 67 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:44,040 The tank today literally was like horrid job but or a 10 and 68 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:48,120 I was like if you don't shut up and we timed it I don't 69 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:50,320 understand. The guy died on like all the 70 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:52,960 bosses would like arguably was my fault. 71 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:54,680 It wasn't because he was standing and soft, but whatever. 72 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:57,200 It was a learning key. Get over it. 73 00:03:57,920 --> 00:04:02,440 OK, I'm, I'm really happy to hear this, like the continued 74 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:06,520 adventures in mythic plus you getting into healing, pugging 75 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:10,040 through it like that's that's something that sometimes, like, 76 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:12,760 I mean, actually this week I've been struggling with because I 77 00:04:13,080 --> 00:04:17,720 decided to switch from elemental backed enhancement because I'm 78 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:20,320 going to go into enhancement next next season. 79 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:23,080 And I figure I've got the extra catalyst charges. 80 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:25,560 I can crash stuff on cheap right now. 81 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:29,480 This seems like the time to make the switch rather than trying to 82 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:31,480 do it while I'm gearing up next season. 83 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:35,480 And we're going to be talking a lot about 12.1 in the coming 84 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:37,400 episode. So stay tuned for that. 85 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:42,840 But it was also about like getting that change of pace and 86 00:04:42,840 --> 00:04:44,680 actually going back more to my comfort. 87 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:49,400 Like I like elemental. It has some very cool things. 88 00:04:49,400 --> 00:04:52,240 And when you're like doing the burst damage like a God, 89 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:54,560 lightning God, it feels super powerful. 90 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:58,160 And then again, you have to spend a lot of time outside of 91 00:04:58,160 --> 00:05:01,960 that point where you are struggling to keep any kind of 92 00:05:01,960 --> 00:05:05,360 relevant DPS. Enhancement has a bit of that 93 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:08,200 same issue, a little bit of like that living in your cooldowns. 94 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:12,480 But because of a couple of things, it's not as bad. 95 00:05:13,840 --> 00:05:18,040 Some point I will have like maybe a Shaman talk episode or 96 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:20,320 something, something we'll get, we'll get word up or something 97 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:21,480 in there and we could talk about it. 98 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:24,920 Because there's a lot of changes coming in 12.1 too. 99 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:30,880 Many of the classes we talked about the preset and the episode 100 00:05:30,880 --> 00:05:33,720 that we released came out late because the guys I was on 101 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:35,360 vacation. I'm sorry I dropped the ball, 102 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:40,600 but I also got to like sip some nice drinks have some great 103 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:44,480 company yeah I I don't I don't feel super guilty. 104 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:48,920 So I'm sorry, not sorry In a time between when we recorded 105 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:52,440 that episode and when the episode released, couple of 106 00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:54,520 things happened and I want to mark this. 107 00:05:55,560 --> 00:06:01,120 Lex was talking about oh man, this bonus and it giving haste 108 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:05,360 and like I don't want haste and please and got some feedback. 109 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:07,360 And so Lex, what happened with that tear set? 110 00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:11,120 Yeah, it's Crit strike now, which is our number 1. 111 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:14,680 So it's the same thing, which I will say after I started 112 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:18,480 thinking about how renew exists within the game, it did make 113 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:21,040 more sense to me. Like I if I look at things, I do 114 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:24,000 usually have renew stacks on everyone just based on how I'm 115 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:27,040 used to pull down stuff. But yes, hopefully it's still 116 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:31,320 based on how many renew stacks have I think still capped it 6%. 117 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:33,120 It's still capped at the same number. 118 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:36,640 Yeah. So 2% per stack, three of them 119 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:37,680 capping at six. Yeah. 120 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:40,600 Stunning perfect. But now it's it's 6% crit 121 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:43,400 stripe, which is much more useful for a holy. 122 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:46,200 So we are all very happy about that, or at least I am. 123 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:49,360 I haven't talked to other holy, maybe they all hate it. 124 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:54,240 I mean, like based on what they said, feedback was there and 125 00:06:54,400 --> 00:06:56,880 crit was a much more desirable stat and that was good. 126 00:06:57,080 --> 00:07:04,600 I also like that I was also a bit vindicated, we'll say, 127 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:09,120 because they said, listen, the haste was there to like interact 128 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:12,280 with the renew and make renew that much better, which, you 129 00:07:12,280 --> 00:07:16,360 know, faster ticks on the renew be that you get like a more 130 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:18,440 upfront benefit from that, which is cool. 131 00:07:18,880 --> 00:07:22,760 You know, stronger ticks from crit would also do that effect. 132 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:28,840 So hey, I, I get a bit of I, I guess I understood what they 133 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:34,360 were going for and I guess you guys understood what they should 134 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:36,080 have done. And so Blizzard has now switched 135 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:38,200 that over to crit, which is amazing. 136 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:46,200 The other thing that happened is that we got a couple of builds 137 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:50,480 for 12.1. In fact, one came out yesterday 138 00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:54,160 as of this recording, one came out just after our recording, 139 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:59,920 but the dungeons just became available for testing. 140 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:03,080 And again, I really want to get into that. 141 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:07,320 But the third thing happened this week that we want to talk 142 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:13,480 about first, and that is Microsoft going absolutely 143 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:16,240 berserk. And it has been a bit of a 144 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:20,720 bloodbath at Microsoft Studios with the new management coming 145 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:28,320 in. We have now seen cuts of 32,000 146 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:34,360 roles being being set up with 1600 of those roles being 147 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:39,520 immediate and another 1600 set up. 148 00:08:40,799 --> 00:08:43,039 Sorry, I forget what the time frame was. 149 00:08:43,039 --> 00:08:47,120 This is in the new feud in the near future where it is 16,000 150 00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:52,000 eliminations today and in addition for studios will leave 151 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:59,880 Xbox to new management and then the other 1600 are going to be 152 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:04,440 throughout the fiscal year 27. So over the course of the next 153 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:12,160 fiscal year, which we that's, that is a lot. 154 00:09:12,400 --> 00:09:21,480 And so, yeah, Lex, what was happening when you heard this 155 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:22,400 news? What was what? 156 00:09:22,680 --> 00:09:27,000 What in the world was going on in your circles and the impact 157 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:29,760 of this news? Yeah, so this one I actually 158 00:09:29,760 --> 00:09:33,920 found through a New York Times news alert, which usually is not 159 00:09:33,920 --> 00:09:35,760 relevant by gaming. I was like in the middle of the 160 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:39,960 work day. Yeah, it's tough. 161 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:43,920 This is a so we, you know, my friend group of chatted about 162 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:46,120 this a lot. We have some folks who like know 163 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:48,080 folks, Blizzard Circle and everything. 164 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:51,600 And it's it's hard, right? And it's scary. 165 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:56,640 I think this is a rough way. I won't claim to understand 166 00:09:56,640 --> 00:09:58,800 management at a high enough level that I can speak to like 167 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:04,360 the decision making behind this. I think telling your team that 168 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:10,240 there's going to be another 1600 rural eliminations or layoffs 169 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:11,960 over the next year is really hard. 170 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:15,840 I think just having people work with like a sword over their 171 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:21,160 head sucks. I I. 172 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:24,160 So. Listening to what Xbox says I do 173 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:27,560 like I get it right, like they're hemorrhaging money now. 174 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:34,960 I obviously my little, you know, workers right self is going to 175 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:38,600 be like, wow, I wonder how many CF OS are losing their money. 176 00:10:38,760 --> 00:10:42,040 But it does sound like they are doing a lot of like not cutting 177 00:10:42,040 --> 00:10:46,480 from the top top, but like cutting higher level roles. 178 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:51,720 And yeah, I think it's just, it's just sad and it's, it's 179 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:54,800 hard. And I'm, I'm worried about like, 180 00:10:54,800 --> 00:10:57,680 I again, I love to be the like. Oh no, the poor Blizzard. 181 00:10:57,720 --> 00:11:03,240 Like genuine this like working so rushed with so much to do, 182 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:06,240 getting all of this, you know, feedback and criticism of I 183 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:09,400 think often validly right, like things are, in my opinion, 184 00:11:09,400 --> 00:11:12,520 obviously coming out rushed, which is not the devs fault, but 185 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:15,880 it means the devs, the ones getting yelled at now you've 186 00:11:15,880 --> 00:11:18,280 lost some folks. It's hard. 187 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:21,000 It's not super clear that they said that they are going to cut 188 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:27,240 Blizzard among others, but so having all of that and then also 189 00:11:27,240 --> 00:11:31,640 just like FYI, there's going to be thousands of like, you know, 190 00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:35,240 well, 1600. So like over 1000 more layoffs. 191 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:37,560 You don't know who it could be you, it could be tomorrow, it 192 00:11:37,560 --> 00:11:40,320 could be in six months. You know, what do you live in? 193 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:44,040 Did we have a return to office policy that forced you to live 194 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:45,920 in one of the most expensive cities in America? 195 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:47,480 It's something like that. I don't know. 196 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:52,960 So it feels really bad. The one thing that I'm, I 197 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:55,200 haven't really heard a lot of conversation about, obviously 198 00:11:55,240 --> 00:11:58,760 this is not Blizzard relevant, but it's all of the studios that 199 00:11:58,760 --> 00:12:02,240 they had purchased and will now be leaving. 200 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:05,400 I thought obviously that's better than layoffs, but I, I 201 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:08,360 mean, what a studios purchase, there are major layoffs, right? 202 00:12:08,360 --> 00:12:10,720 Like Blizzard, for example, lost their entire QA department. 203 00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:13,680 They lost, I think their legal department, like basically 204 00:12:13,680 --> 00:12:15,680 anything that there would be overlap just got cut. 205 00:12:15,680 --> 00:12:17,720 So A, now those studios have to figure out how to pull back 206 00:12:17,720 --> 00:12:21,600 together whatever got removed and B, like, imagine being one 207 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:23,840 of those old workers, like, oh, sick. 208 00:12:23,840 --> 00:12:27,760 OK, so you purchased my job, you laid me off, and then you got 209 00:12:27,760 --> 00:12:29,280 rid of the company. Like, imagine being one of the 210 00:12:29,280 --> 00:12:32,520 people working there. We're like, bro, what was the 211 00:12:32,520 --> 00:12:33,920 point of all this? Why were we? 212 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:37,880 And like, I get that. It's like they thought that was 213 00:12:37,880 --> 00:12:40,160 going to be a good decision of diversifying and bringing them 214 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:43,560 other studios. And it has proven to not be as 215 00:12:43,560 --> 00:12:48,720 good of a. But yeah, man, like, I can't 216 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:51,840 even imagine the feelings that must be coming from that. 217 00:12:52,280 --> 00:12:54,480 Or on the flip side, you know, oh, sick. 218 00:12:54,520 --> 00:12:57,320 My little company no longer works for the company that has 219 00:12:57,320 --> 00:13:00,240 decided to hold 1600 layoffs over people's heads to 220 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:03,360 presumably try to get them to work significantly harder. 221 00:13:06,080 --> 00:13:11,240 We get out. So yeah, like, OK, there's a lot 222 00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:16,080 in what you just discussed or rather said that I'd like to, 223 00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:22,840 that I'd like to outline. It is horrible in this day and 224 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:29,200 age that bad management seems to get the golden parachute while 225 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:34,840 the workers seem to suffered the brunt of like the the mistakes. 226 00:13:38,280 --> 00:13:41,520 Like in this particular case, you're looking at Phil Spencer, 227 00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:46,000 who left earlier this year was the head of the Xbox division, 228 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:51,160 the gaming division. And so hey, he he was basically 229 00:13:51,160 --> 00:13:53,480 fired and this is the new management coming in. 230 00:13:53,680 --> 00:13:57,160 So at least there's that. But you again, there is a golden 231 00:13:57,160 --> 00:14:01,480 parachute with that. He got a lot of compensation as 232 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:07,080 he went out the door. And so this new successor, Asha 233 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:11,720 Sharma, right, she's come in and she's making these cuts. 234 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:16,200 She didn't make the decisions to bring in all these companies. 235 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:18,360 So there is there is something about that. 236 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:21,960 But this is still people's livelihoods that are getting 237 00:14:22,280 --> 00:14:29,440 absolutely demolished, destroyed people who would have like moved 238 00:14:29,920 --> 00:14:33,680 to join these studios. And you're right, there is a lot 239 00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:37,200 of uncertainty with some of these studios that have been 240 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:41,160 sold off to new management. And even worse, there's other 241 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:44,240 studios that are still in a bubble where those studios might 242 00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:48,080 just be shuttered because they can't find somebody to purchase 243 00:14:48,080 --> 00:14:51,680 that. And it sucks. 244 00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:55,080 I want to go back to the good old days of more independent 245 00:14:55,080 --> 00:14:58,840 publishers, more independent development teams and 246 00:14:58,840 --> 00:15:03,040 developers. Before ABK was swallowed by 247 00:15:03,160 --> 00:15:08,120 Microsoft, before Blizzard was swallowed by Vendy, right? 248 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:12,520 All of these sort of mergers because they think that they're 249 00:15:12,800 --> 00:15:18,040 so big that they can't fail, but it turns out that they're 250 00:15:18,040 --> 00:15:20,880 constantly failing and people are constantly paying the price 251 00:15:20,880 --> 00:15:24,040 for that. And it it is something that I 252 00:15:24,040 --> 00:15:29,400 think isn't just going to affect the people currently in the 253 00:15:29,400 --> 00:15:36,520 industry, those who have now lost their job and may leave the 254 00:15:36,520 --> 00:15:39,360 industry there. Many of them are pro have like 255 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:42,680 skills that are applicable to other industries that that 256 00:15:42,680 --> 00:15:45,320 aren't as fraught with like these constant layoffs. 257 00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:48,000 So we're going to lose talent there. 258 00:15:48,920 --> 00:15:53,320 And then there are going to be people who look at this and say, 259 00:15:53,320 --> 00:15:55,800 I really don't want to get into that industry. 260 00:15:55,880 --> 00:16:01,520 So future prospects become like what just the the people who are 261 00:16:01,520 --> 00:16:04,040 crazy enough to like wade into those waters. 262 00:16:05,640 --> 00:16:11,520 It it's going to hurt a lot in the long run, in the short run. 263 00:16:13,440 --> 00:16:24,000 And the profit is a quarterly finance like they the letter 264 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:32,800 talks about the fact that their business had declined, not that 265 00:16:32,800 --> 00:16:36,360 the they were as you said hammering money. 266 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:46,320 They had invested $20,000, sorry, say 20 thousand $20 267 00:16:46,320 --> 00:16:53,640 million, maybe twenty $20 billion outside of the ABK 268 00:16:53,640 --> 00:17:00,840 acquisition and that acquisition was finalized only recently. 269 00:17:02,120 --> 00:17:05,280 And for them to say like, OK, we need that return of investment 270 00:17:05,720 --> 00:17:16,560 so quickly. It's it's pretty it's pretty 271 00:17:16,560 --> 00:17:21,520 insane. Like you like it's saying that 272 00:17:21,520 --> 00:17:25,560 like if you look through the initial post and it goes through 273 00:17:25,720 --> 00:17:29,760 you goes through to another one. They talk about their end of the 274 00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:35,280 fiscal year having like a 3% margin and spending 2020 275 00:17:35,280 --> 00:17:40,280 billion, right. But the avenue, the revenue has 276 00:17:40,280 --> 00:17:46,800 declined and yes, that revenue declining by nearly half a 277 00:17:46,800 --> 00:17:56,160 billion during that time is a lot of money to you or I what 278 00:17:56,160 --> 00:17:59,520 they sent spent several billion to purchase these companies. 279 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:02,880 It's almost a rounding error when you talk about the 280 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:07,720 expenditures that they've made to amass what was what was the 281 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:12,760 largest, one of the largest game development networks that they 282 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:18,760 that they had. And so I just, I feel like it's 283 00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:22,760 at no point do these companies ever feel that they can absorb 284 00:18:22,760 --> 00:18:26,440 any of the loss. They always shifted on to the 285 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:31,680 people who had no control over their fact that their company 286 00:18:31,680 --> 00:18:34,840 got purchased out, that their role was made redundant. 287 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:40,320 But yet they they shed that weight off and they dumped that 288 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:44,760 that load onto them and it and it just feels horrible. 289 00:18:45,640 --> 00:18:49,520 Yeah, it sucks that the team, the Xbox team was made bad 290 00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:55,760 decision that the the grunt worker or the one who primarily 291 00:18:55,960 --> 00:19:01,520 are going to add. Big love out to Fast Dev and of 292 00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:04,600 everyone at all of the Microsoft studios. 293 00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:10,320 Like you said Lex, there are still more layoffs incoming and 294 00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:13,720 that is hanging over the heads of people still at the job as 295 00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:17,680 well as trying to find and support the people who were 296 00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:22,400 affected. The there have been post saying 297 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:27,360 that nobody who was part of a union at Blizzard has been 298 00:19:27,360 --> 00:19:31,160 affected in this round I believe. 299 00:19:31,160 --> 00:19:35,760 I would like to believe that is because of the unionization, but 300 00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:38,000 that doesn't mean that they are safe entirely. 301 00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:43,080 It might be that the next half of the layoffs that are upcoming 302 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:46,080 are going to be focused on that because they just needed the 303 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:51,440 time to work, work in conjunction with the union to 304 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:55,920 see what they could cut and we will see. 305 00:19:58,280 --> 00:20:00,280 Yeah. Well, and unions, I think 306 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:05,400 usually will negotiate for things like, oh gosh, I can't 307 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:08,800 think of the word, but payment after layoff, right? 308 00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:12,120 Deferences and some sort of renumeration. 309 00:20:12,120 --> 00:20:13,680 Yeah, I get that. Yeah. 310 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:16,880 So I mean, which, if nothing else, means that you're a little 311 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:19,120 bit safer after you get laid off. 312 00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:25,080 I'm this is a pro you podcast. It most definitely is. 313 00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:28,920 That is, that is 100% true. This is a programming product, 314 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:30,200 Yeah. Because, you know, yeah, we were 315 00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:34,600 just saying Xbox makes bad choices and so the workers are 316 00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:37,760 the ones who suffer. You want to know how you protect 317 00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:39,400 yourself in situations like that? 318 00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:43,800 You combined with your Co workers and you negotiate as a 319 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:47,720 group and you make it so that the you know, people above you 320 00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:50,480 don't have that, but like don't have have less power over you 321 00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:53,560 because you are you're joining together, which doesn't only 322 00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:55,280 have to be unions. There's ways to collectively 323 00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:57,800 bargain and there's ways to join with your colleagues that are 324 00:20:57,800 --> 00:21:03,440 not official unions, FYI. But yeah, yeah, that is it's 325 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:07,000 it's good that there seems to be some degree of but also, yeah, 326 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:09,680 this is just devastating. And like you were saying with 327 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:13,280 people not wanting to get in, you know that there's talent 328 00:21:13,360 --> 00:21:15,960 that will be leaving the industry, there's talent that 329 00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:20,920 will never join the that could make incredible game and tell 330 00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:26,240 incredible story. And those folks are less likely 331 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:29,160 to go in now. And I think that's sad in its 332 00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:31,880 owner. And again, just the people 333 00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:34,640 who've given so much time and energy and work and move to 334 00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:38,240 these horribly expensive places and put so many hours in and 335 00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:42,920 given so much of the games we love just getting laid off or 336 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:46,840 working with this year hanging over them, that I think is also 337 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:58,960 terrible. Outside of outside of the 338 00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:04,520 unionized groups, which are very much franchise sort of aligned, 339 00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:08,800 there is a development team that covers World of Warcraft. 340 00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:13,640 There's that's unionized and that includes many of the the 341 00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:18,480 supportive roles. There is a team that is for 342 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:27,120 Diablo, but there are people that work in the development of 343 00:22:27,120 --> 00:22:31,440 like new games that aren't quite quite out yet, new franchises 344 00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:35,280 that aren't quite out yet. Blizzard has an incubator thing 345 00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:39,360 where we get games like Hearthstone came out of that or 346 00:22:39,360 --> 00:22:44,400 Rumble or any number of games that might come out in the 347 00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:47,360 future. Those aren't covered by the by 348 00:22:47,360 --> 00:22:51,680 the union. And so there are people at 349 00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:55,120 Blizzard that could be getting hit. 350 00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:59,920 When you look at Bethesda, another company under the Xbox 351 00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:04,400 umbrella, they have definitely been hit. 352 00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:07,920 And what's happened now is that they're talking about needing to 353 00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:11,600 return to a sustainable growth, right? 354 00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:19,120 And shifting their model from like what they might have been 355 00:23:19,120 --> 00:23:23,040 doing more experimentally. But they said that they are. 356 00:23:23,360 --> 00:23:27,560 We are shifting from a planning model primarily centered on 357 00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:32,240 what's next for each independent studio to one that focuses on 358 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:35,960 our strongest franchises and determining the content road map 359 00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:38,320 that best serves our players and professor as a whole. 360 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:47,160 And that is from the CEO, Jill Brath. 361 00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:52,360 And what I look at, what I see in that is that when they're 362 00:23:52,360 --> 00:23:55,400 focusing on their strongest franchise, that means that they 363 00:23:55,400 --> 00:24:00,880 are throwing things that were in development, that were in that 364 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:05,000 incubation out the window. They're like, oh, people don't 365 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:07,560 know about like this. And it could have been the next 366 00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:12,160 great game. It could have been something new 367 00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:14,320 and revolutionary. But now they're going to be 368 00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:17,160 focused on is what people already know. 369 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:22,400 And like, yes, Bethesda has like big franchises, Fallout, Elder 370 00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:28,440 Scrolls, Doom, Doom is also Bethesda, I think, right? 371 00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:30,600 Dishonored. I know the Dishonored on them. 372 00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:33,000 Like they're going to be focused on on those things. 373 00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:38,120 But like, if this has happened years back, we may not have 374 00:24:38,120 --> 00:24:43,200 gotten Dishonored if this had happened years back. 375 00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:45,760 Her stone means never been a thing in her stone. 376 00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:51,120 I think revolutionize that niche of gaming because before that 377 00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:56,240 nobody was doing really the online collectible trading cards 378 00:24:56,240 --> 00:25:01,480 and then suddenly everybody was like popping out their Gwent 379 00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:09,720 copy and and all of that. So like I think we will lose new 380 00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:15,040 areas of gaming and it will go fall back on the Cods every 381 00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:18,000 year, every two every year and that's going to suck. 382 00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:21,680 Yeah, I, I mean, obviously there's the, you know, constant 383 00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:24,960 fear that we've had since activism purchase Blizzard of 384 00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:27,240 the like the codification of World of Warcraft. 385 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:31,320 I, I was just thinking, I actually don't know the numbers 386 00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:33,440 on this. So I don't know if there is a 387 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:36,920 little part of me that is thinking like, yeah, my kind of 388 00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:38,760 wish Blizzard was still just Blizzard, right? 389 00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:42,480 Like, because I think we talk a lot about like World of Warcraft 390 00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:45,760 printing money, right? But it's not, you know, money to 391 00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:51,520 support Xbox and Activision and all these little independent 392 00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:55,440 studios and it's money that supports Warcraft and then like 393 00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:59,480 maybe a few other games. And so I again with that, I'm 394 00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:01,080 not like I don't have numbers in front of me. 395 00:26:01,120 --> 00:26:03,480 I don't know how it works. There is a level of this. 396 00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:10,920 I'm kind of like, I wonder if the monopolizing of the game 397 00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:14,960 industry is part of the harm that if you need to be like 398 00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:17,280 your, your games need to be bringing in enough money 399 00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:21,840 together to support a huge conglomeration, right? 400 00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:24,200 With all these different people at all these different levels, 401 00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:29,120 risks are harder because everything's more on the flip 402 00:26:29,120 --> 00:26:31,200 side, you also can divide that much a little bit easier, right? 403 00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:34,560 Like if there's more games bringing in more money, you can 404 00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:36,880 take the Cods and the World Warcrafts and the things like 405 00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:38,480 that. And I hypothetically did 406 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:42,240 distribute that, but it doesn't my, I will also say my 407 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:44,400 understanding of the game industry right now, again, 408 00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:46,520 without being in it, without looking at versus. 409 00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:49,560 So right now is the really time to be a game studio that the 410 00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:55,280 cost of production is rising pretty rapidly and cost truly 411 00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:58,200 consumers are not paying substantially more like we are 412 00:26:58,240 --> 00:26:59,840 lead. Obviously price are increasing, 413 00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:05,960 but not at a rate that keeps in line with the game development. 414 00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:07,600 Again, this is just what I've been told. 415 00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:09,000 I'm kind of just parroting with other people is. 416 00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:13,760 That well no, no like I I have seen I have read that before, 417 00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:18,000 games do cost more to make than they have have in the past. 418 00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:21,880 Especially when you're trying to put out all these AAA hyper 419 00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:28,160 realistic live service games that need to have a shelf life 420 00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:33,680 of however long, right? You look at Grand Theft Auto 6. 421 00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:36,920 That is like the big thing that all the studios are now trying 422 00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:39,280 to avoid because they don't want to release at the same time 423 00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:41,920 anything at the same time as Grand Theft Auto 6. 424 00:27:42,360 --> 00:27:48,120 And that's a game that is going to like set you back, like, 425 00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:54,000 sorry, I got to translate to the US think it's a 80 or $90.00 426 00:27:54,000 --> 00:28:00,640 game US. And like, that's huge sticker 427 00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:03,720 shock. Like I remember back in like 428 00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:10,640 back in my day, N64 was trying to put up the price of its games 429 00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:12,960 and there was like a riot. People like you can't do this, 430 00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:15,760 you can't make it. You can't put the price up that 431 00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:18,400 high. And that caused PlayStation that 432 00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:22,640 had kept its prices low to gain an advantage, among other 433 00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:25,320 things. It wasn't the sole reason. 434 00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:36,400 And so I, I wonder if games are going to be so expensive to make 435 00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:39,600 at the AAA level and they're going to start charging so much 436 00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:42,040 and you have Sony now saying that they're not going to do any 437 00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:48,720 physical media which caused that big uproar or things like that. 438 00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:53,680 If now's the time to start looking at AA games or like 439 00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:59,520 games that are coming from other other places like we, I wouldn't 440 00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:05,760 call it an indie studio. I would say that a good AA game 441 00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:09,680 would be Expedition 33. It definitely wasn't done by 442 00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:13,520 like a AAA studio, but they were, I think as close as they 443 00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:18,640 they could be without like being a AAA studio studio, but that 444 00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:22,560 took a long time to develop. You look at Boulder's Gate 445 00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:27,560 three, which is like beloved by so, so many and that took a long 446 00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:30,000 time to develop. So when they talk about like 447 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:33,680 these faster development cycles and going through, I kind of 448 00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:36,560 bring that back to Warcraft where we are now looking at this 449 00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:39,960 eight week development cycle and like people be like, guys, come 450 00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:45,240 on, just let off the gas. The shine isn't there. 451 00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:49,640 Oh man, it feels like so many more bugs are coming through and 452 00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:51,800 it doesn't look as polished as before. 453 00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:57,680 And so I worry that with this Xbox push and this further thing 454 00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:02,880 of we can't let things slip dates and such and this entire 455 00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:10,880 1600 rolls now being threatened. If we are going to see a lot 456 00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:14,880 more pressure on them to like this 68 weeks and shove it and 457 00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:22,280 shove whatever you can in there and that that's that's scary for 458 00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:24,240 World Warcraft because that's exactly what I've been like. 459 00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:29,280 I don't like this right now I. I, and this is one of the things 460 00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:32,440 that I think that that it was luckily, I think we were kind of 461 00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:37,480 more shielded from Activision than we realize because this is 462 00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:40,400 it's very big studio brain. And I think one of the reasons 463 00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:44,240 that so many of us have played World of Warcraft for our entire 464 00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:47,000 lives, our entire adult lives, or who came into this game. 465 00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:48,680 You know, we get all of our friends raved about it or 466 00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:51,720 whatever Part of that is the fact the Blizzard team 467 00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:54,880 historically has been very, very player focused, right? 468 00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:59,400 We have BlizzCon, we have these communities like it, it, it's 469 00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:04,160 such the, the, the point was always all the like, all 470 00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:07,480 Blizzard employees are Blizzard players, right? 471 00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:10,840 I think without exception, maybe, I don't know, maybe I 472 00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:12,440 shouldn't say that, but my understanding is it's pretty 473 00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:13,840 much uniform. I'm sure there's some exception 474 00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:15,720 out there, but there were there. Again, the exception, not the 475 00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:16,800 rule. Right. 476 00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:22,160 And so I think that's why and again, I don't I don't have 477 00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:24,240 their numbers. I don't like maybe the eight 478 00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:27,120 week cycle actually did boost their sub number something 479 00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:28,520 crazy. And we just, you know, whine 480 00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:31,360 about it as content creators, but everyone actually loves it 481 00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:35,800 and we just don't know. But I feel like we as a 482 00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:38,880 community, we're willing to tolerate slow development cycles 483 00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:42,280 and delays. And you know, oh, we're going to 484 00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:45,440 do a season 4 because we don't really have this ready. 485 00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:47,600 And like, actually, sorry, we're going to push this back a little 486 00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:50,920 bit, Things like that. Because it felt like this is a 487 00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:55,360 community that we're a part of. This is more than just a video 488 00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:57,080 game. This is a thing that we are in 489 00:31:57,080 --> 00:32:00,000 in a community. And I think that's one of the 490 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:02,880 reasons why the codification of World of Warcraft feels very 491 00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:05,720 scary and why these development cycles feel very scary is I 492 00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:08,960 don't want World of Warcraft content on a cycle, like on a 493 00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:12,040 rhythm, because it needs to be on a rhythm. 494 00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:15,240 If that's a thing that genuinely the team does joyfully, they're 495 00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:17,640 able to be like, actually, it's great for us to do 8 week cycles 496 00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:19,800 and we can make our best content doing that sick. 497 00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:25,960 But I'm more OK with like slower, better content. 498 00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:28,880 And I, I, I feel like that's true of everyone I've talked to. 499 00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:32,600 Again, I obviously run in, you know, my own circles. 500 00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:34,640 I again, I do not have Xbox's number. 501 00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:36,800 Yeah, I also worry. I worry that they're going to 502 00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:38,880 look at this and they're going to look at it as a business. 503 00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:42,400 And obviously World War like Blizzard was always a business, 504 00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:44,240 right? Like I'm not that had in the 505 00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:45,600 clouds. Like I understand that everyone 506 00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:49,080 is going to be looking at these numbers, but they're going to 507 00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:50,680 just be like, well, I guess we need more, right? 508 00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:52,480 Like pump out more, faster, cheaper. 509 00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:56,040 I mean, Rumble, I think a lot of the reasons why it failed so 510 00:32:56,040 --> 00:33:00,000 hard was because right when it was having a chance, right when 511 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:02,720 it was growing, they pulled like almost every single dev off of 512 00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:04,520 it. And it was already a running 513 00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:07,040 joke in the community of like, oh, the like, you know, Rumble 514 00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:10,360 like bugs everywhere, right? And then they tried to make a 515 00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:12,920 joke about it's not a bug, and it wasn't that funny because you 516 00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:15,960 can't make the bug jokes if you are a developer. 517 00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:18,320 And also it's full of bugs. Like, fix the bugs, don't make a 518 00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:18,920 joke at me. Yeah. 519 00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:21,280 But anyway, that was really sad, right? 520 00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:23,200 And I think that there were a lot of reasons why Rumble 521 00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:24,560 failed. I'm not pretending it was just 522 00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:28,960 that. But yeah, it was really striking 523 00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:32,560 that to have a game at a point when we were like, oh, this is 524 00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:34,640 actually really cool. But there's all the stuff that 525 00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:36,400 needs to be done that would make it so much better. 526 00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:39,720 And they were like, you know, it'll help zero employees. 527 00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:46,440 And that's what I worry Xbox is kind of doing in general is pull 528 00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:49,640 like trying to get everything to to to the most brass tacks it 529 00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:52,960 can. And that's not why we play World 530 00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:54,680 of Warcraft. I don't play World of Warcraft 531 00:33:55,720 --> 00:34:04,320 through like mass content. Yeah, I think that part of it is 532 00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:09,639 that when they start talking about the seasons and they talk 533 00:34:09,639 --> 00:34:12,920 about like, oh, how they're doing the expansions, they're 534 00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:16,280 like, oh, it's going to be 4 new zones and this many dungeons of 535 00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:21,960 it's like that's formulaic. Like we're not looking for the 536 00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:28,040 same thing every like 8 weeks. We're looking for a new 537 00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:32,480 experience every so often. And it doesn't need to be every 538 00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:36,920 eight weeks or every 10 weeks as like when you're looking at 539 00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:42,760 things that came in, let's say Legion, I think Legion was a 540 00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:46,199 massively successful time in World of Warcraft. 541 00:34:46,639 --> 00:34:49,960 And they were having a pretty strong content release. 542 00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:54,199 I believe it was 77 days or 11 weeks at that point that they 543 00:34:54,199 --> 00:34:57,320 didn't cop to at the point, but people were like, oh, wow, 544 00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:00,400 these, this is coming so soon. And nobody said it was like too 545 00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:03,960 slow or anything, But they were adding new things and their new 546 00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:08,800 experience. And oh, we're doing this thing 547 00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:12,520 as the focus right now and then switching over to a new thing as 548 00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:15,240 the focus. But like it would shift the way 549 00:35:15,240 --> 00:35:17,680 that you would interact with the with the game. 550 00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:21,240 And they do that in expansions to a certain point. 551 00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:24,400 Like hero talents have been cool. 552 00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:31,000 I feel like Apex talents have been less impactful when you 553 00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:37,560 look at before hero talents when we're in Dragonflight, like the 554 00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:42,320 flow of the world going through with dragon racing. 555 00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:45,800 That was pretty unique and everything. 556 00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:48,120 And of course they've had the accessibility issues that we 557 00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:51,320 have discussed on this show. But on top of that, they were 558 00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:57,920 trying to introduce some things that like you would engage with. 559 00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:03,720 So we had these Azeroth anniversary secret finders, this 560 00:36:03,720 --> 00:36:08,920 stuff the, but like some of it was I think the start of the 561 00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:11,000 kind of shallow stuff we would get. 562 00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:16,040 We would get like the shattered time way stuff. 563 00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:20,040 That would be, oh, OK, go here and it'll be you running around 564 00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:22,560 in like circles for 5 minutes and then come back in 20 minutes 565 00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:24,040 and run around in circles for 5 minutes. 566 00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:29,400 And they did that because they were against this borrowed 567 00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:32,760 powers thing that they had been doing beforehand. 568 00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:39,240 But when I look back at, let's say prior to Legion, because 569 00:36:39,240 --> 00:36:42,480 bleeding was when we first had our artifact weapons or our 570 00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:46,000 broad power, there were still things that you were working on 571 00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:50,240 throughout the different patches. 572 00:36:50,240 --> 00:36:54,760 And I guess that's where people call them the Wow chores, where 573 00:36:54,760 --> 00:37:01,920 you would be unlocking the the Isle of Thunder in Mr. Pandaria 574 00:37:02,240 --> 00:37:08,640 or you would be developing your covenant in Shadow Lands. 575 00:37:09,720 --> 00:37:13,520 And I think that like they should, they shouldn't be afraid 576 00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:19,760 to have these cool things that people can do outside of raids. 577 00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:27,800 I just feel like that's what we're getting now with 12.1 and 578 00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:33,000 this entire exploration of the Isle of Coyles where you can 579 00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:36,480 like now change it so that you don't have to deal with the 580 00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:39,240 poison and like explore further into the the island. 581 00:37:39,240 --> 00:37:43,280 I think that is closer to the Isle of Thunder where people get 582 00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:44,800 their own little tech tree to work on. 583 00:37:45,240 --> 00:37:49,000 And maybe that will be cool. But I'm worried that it's going 584 00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:54,080 to be, again, too formulaic where it's going to be a mix of, 585 00:37:55,240 --> 00:38:02,640 let's say, Renown slash, the folio that we just got. 586 00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:08,480 Yeah, well, it does feel like they remembered the existence of 587 00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:13,840 Horrific Visions and they did that like they returned it for a 588 00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:15,840 little bit and then they're like, oh wait, you guys like 589 00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:20,560 this and now everything is the Oh, and also if you run through, 590 00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:22,360 you're going to get these different and you get to decide 591 00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:25,160 that there's building affixes that you can put on it and you 592 00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:27,200 can either it's going to be harder, but you get more 593 00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:29,800 rewards. And I'm like, OK, it was fun 594 00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:33,080 because it was one thing, right? Like it's not like I like 595 00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:35,680 horrific visions because I want every single thing to be affect 596 00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:39,080 this. I, I actually, I'm a little bit 597 00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:41,200 curious. Meaning I've like all but given 598 00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:44,360 up on my omnium folio because I do not want to grind out all of 599 00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:46,640 the stupid visions or whatever they're called. 600 00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:51,680 The, the, the ritual site. Isn't that like 5? 601 00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:52,760 Oh my God, there's been another week. 602 00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:55,640 So I have to do 2 now. So like, yeah, like they're 603 00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:57,960 making all this content I just don't want to do. 604 00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:00,600 And it's like, so repetitive. Oh no. 605 00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:02,120 Is it actually good? Are you enjoying it? 606 00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:02,960 No. OK. 607 00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:05,920 So Lex, you've done two weeks of it. 608 00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:10,200 You've done double what I have. Yeah, nobody likes. 609 00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:11,440 That it's all right. I'm sorry. 610 00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:13,280 You're you're too hardcore for me. 611 00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:15,960 I apologize. No, I'm a sweat. 612 00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:18,880 I had said this. This was one of the episodes 613 00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:24,240 where you were away and I said, OK, there's power behind this. 614 00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:28,040 It's something that we're going to need in the next tier. 615 00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:31,200 They're unlocking it over the course of the five weeks. 616 00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:36,720 I expect that come 12.1, they're going to allow you the shortcut, 617 00:39:36,720 --> 00:39:40,760 some of it. Or I can just rush, rush through 618 00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:43,280 it on one week. And it's not like I can't 619 00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:45,760 compete in keys. I'd like been switching over to 620 00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:47,600 enhancement and I should go and do it. 621 00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:52,920 And this week, which is week #4 there's actually a bit more 622 00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:54,640 power than it has it been in previous weeks. 623 00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:58,200 When it first came out, it was like such a small amount of 624 00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:00,680 power. But with week 4, we're getting 625 00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:03,560 runes that are giving secondary stats. 626 00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:07,560 And so actually, let me pull up. I think there was a Wowhead 627 00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:09,880 article about this. Yeah, I'm trying to figure out 628 00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:11,680 what, first of all, because I want to know what it is. 629 00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:15,560 OK, it's a this one's better. It's going to be a dungeon delve 630 00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:18,560 or LFR wing and boss, which makes me think that next week 631 00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:21,680 it's going to be multiple dungeon delves or LFR wing. 632 00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:24,240 Oh shoot, If I'd done this today, I would have gotten it 633 00:40:24,240 --> 00:40:29,520 done. Yeah, so this week seeking 634 00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:34,680 knowledge, week 4 out of five, the magical preminescence. 635 00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:37,720 You're right. You complete a dungeon delve or 636 00:40:37,720 --> 00:40:43,160 LFR wing and boss, and it will give you one of four traits, all 637 00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:46,200 which correspond with the secondary trait. 638 00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:50,840 So critical power, of course, haste, mastery, versatility, 639 00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:59,120 right? And then because it scales with 640 00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:04,120 your gear, that is, that is going to be something that is 641 00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:06,920 going to give you a good boost in your mythic. 642 00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:10,520 Plus you might want to get it done before done if you're going 643 00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:13,440 to be pushed on Mythic Plus or whatever it is. 644 00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:16,400 But actually I kind of want to ask, maybe we should ask this at 645 00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:18,400 the top of the episode. Since you've now completed AOTC, 646 00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:25,440 are you sort of going to shift the shift into a more mellow 647 00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:28,320 pace? Is your team going to like do 648 00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:30,640 another week to like get the achievements or like what's 649 00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:33,720 what's the future look like? Yeah. 650 00:41:33,720 --> 00:41:36,720 So the current plan team wise is that we're going to do another 651 00:41:36,720 --> 00:41:39,520 run through for AOTC because we got a couple guildies miss it. 652 00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:43,160 So that'll be we're taking this week off and the next through 653 00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:45,240 that. And then I we haven't like 654 00:41:45,240 --> 00:41:47,720 officially set the stone, but probably the week after that 655 00:41:47,720 --> 00:41:50,560 will be our achievement run and then we'll probably go on to 656 00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:54,720 break mode. That's a good question for what 657 00:41:54,720 --> 00:41:57,960 I specifically am going to do. I mean I've already kind of 658 00:41:57,960 --> 00:41:59,680 shifted into a little bit of a slower mode. 659 00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:01,840 I needed to be reminded that there was a new story to do 660 00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:06,840 today. But I also don't want to go into 661 00:42:07,720 --> 00:42:11,400 12.1 totally cold. So for example, I think I 662 00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:13,640 probably should get through my stupid Omni and folio and I just 663 00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:16,080 need to do this with virtual sides and whatever. 664 00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:17,840 And you're probably right, I'm probably going to use skip and I 665 00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:19,520 want to do virtual sides if I don't do it, but I should 666 00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:26,040 probably be good at my game. So I but yes, I think by and 667 00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:29,440 large, we're going to be switching to a more of a rest 668 00:42:29,720 --> 00:42:33,160 that the officers will chat about, you know, next year. 669 00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:34,400 If there's anything that needs to change. 670 00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:36,520 Like I said, I'm still kind of between roles, which means we 671 00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:39,800 can't really set a roster. So we need to, I need to 672 00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:42,400 solidify that so we can, you know, figure out if there's gaps 673 00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:46,800 or things to work through. But I'm not really an alt girl. 674 00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:49,320 That was one of the reasons why when we needed another 675 00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:52,720 character, I just like had to hardcore grind in like a week. 676 00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:58,000 So I and I don't really have anything that I'm like desperate 677 00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:00,400 to do. So I am probably going to spend 678 00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:02,600 the next couple weeks prioritizing the garden or like 679 00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:05,480 practicing my loot or reading books or things like that. 680 00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:07,760 Like catching up on the stuff, maybe playing other games like 681 00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:10,760 catching up on the things that I haven't done as much because 682 00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:13,800 especially this tier has felt like World Warcraft has been a 683 00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:17,160 little bit more needy. Well. 684 00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:27,040 OK, well, yeah, again, this is week 4 out of five doing like a 685 00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:30,720 dungeon to get the get what you what you need, remembering 686 00:43:30,720 --> 00:43:33,120 dilute if you go through stuff and remember dilute. 687 00:43:36,240 --> 00:43:42,800 And I think that it's all kind of leading up to 12.1. 688 00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:48,520 So let's talk about the stuff that's happened on the PTR 689 00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:52,240 because as I said at the top of the show, we've had a couple of 690 00:43:52,240 --> 00:43:56,560 builds in between shows and we have had some adjustments. 691 00:43:56,560 --> 00:44:00,440 So Hansman Shaman is getting some adjustments, which is why I 692 00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:04,920 was like, OK, I'm back on, I'm back on my old business. 693 00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:08,440 Same with what they've been talking about before. 694 00:44:08,720 --> 00:44:12,120 They're taking some of the juice out of the cooldowns and 695 00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:14,920 spreading that out over your normal rotation so you're not so 696 00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:17,800 focused on these particular burst windows. 697 00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:25,720 They have also been addressing a lot of the complaints or issues 698 00:44:25,720 --> 00:44:29,800 that people were having. So we are seeing some redesigns 699 00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:33,720 for particular things. Some adjustments like warrior 700 00:44:33,720 --> 00:44:39,680 tanks being adjusted so that they aren't as squishy. 701 00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:43,000 I'm sure Sean will love that. I'd wasn't aware that our 702 00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:46,920 warriors were particularly having that issue, but that is 703 00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:49,840 with their four set. The four set bleed was currently 704 00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:52,360 underperforming. They also feel that Protection 705 00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:55,840 Warriors could use a small bump in overall survivability and the 706 00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:58,840 performance gap between their two specs was too wide. 707 00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:00,440 So they're bringing that together. 708 00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:06,120 They've made some changes, some wonderful bug fixes for a number 709 00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:11,440 of classes as well as like just adjusting, adjusting those tear 710 00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:15,760 sets so that they are that they are more in line with what 711 00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:18,720 people want. So I would suggest if you are 712 00:45:18,720 --> 00:45:20,800 interested, check out the show notes. 713 00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:26,320 There are class changes all throughout this week though they 714 00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:30,960 are testing the returning dungeons to the dungeon pool. 715 00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:36,160 Last week it was the midnight dungeons that we had at the 716 00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:40,240 beginning of of the expansion that were then locked away in 717 00:45:40,240 --> 00:45:41,880 the Disney Vault. Now they're coming. 718 00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:44,960 They came back out of the Disney Vault so that you we're going to 719 00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:49,440 have those in Season 2. This week we're testing those 720 00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:53,800 returning dungeons like the Ruby Life Pools, the Temple of Seth 721 00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:57,280 Rallis, and King's Rest. This is going to be a really 722 00:45:57,280 --> 00:46:04,160 good opportunity to see the shifts in those fundamental 723 00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:08,520 things that they were changing. They said said that they liked 724 00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:13,040 where things were in season ones in terms of overall dungeon 725 00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:19,080 viability and difficulty. The overall changes that they're 726 00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:22,760 saying, it seemed really great. And then they have very 727 00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:26,200 particular changes for for things as well. 728 00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:32,400 So Dragonflight, it was a pretty notoriously full on expansion 729 00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:34,240 for what was being thrown at you. 730 00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:36,600 There's just a lot of stuff you needed. 731 00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:39,880 I think it was the most dependent on weak orders. 732 00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:45,960 We've been in the most barrage with bulk slop that we've ever 733 00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:48,080 been in. So they're adjusting things. 734 00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:52,200 The Ruby Life pools, they have said the spawning, pacing, 735 00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:56,040 clarity and tuning are all being adjusted. 736 00:46:56,520 --> 00:46:59,920 They have It also said that they are slowing down the ability 737 00:46:59,920 --> 00:47:06,080 pacing on all boss encounters, reducing trash density, and then 738 00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:12,240 some particular changes therein. Temple Seth Rallis was heavily 739 00:47:12,240 --> 00:47:16,960 adjusted to address pain points and concerns over its previous 740 00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:22,720 iteration, with some reworked stuff for the gauntlet sequence 741 00:47:22,720 --> 00:47:27,120 prior to the final boss that removes a player to be in time 742 00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:31,960 out while energizing an orb. Redesigning packs and trash 743 00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:36,560 packs, spawning composition throughout the dungeon to just 744 00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:40,120 make it more readable, more consistent, and to allow more 745 00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:42,480 counter play. And these are these are things 746 00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:47,360 that are in all of them for King's Rest again, receiving 747 00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:51,320 significant adjustments to the creature abilities, boss and 748 00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:57,360 counterpacing again and outliners so that the 749 00:47:57,400 --> 00:48:02,320 composition of those those fights are changed, the fights 750 00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:08,160 are more readable. So I think that for you who has 751 00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:13,240 stepped your toe into Mythic Plus a couple times and also 752 00:48:13,240 --> 00:48:17,160 pulled it out a couple times, I think this is going to be good. 753 00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:23,120 And for me who has like tried to push more consistently and now 754 00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:25,760 going back into a pugging situation where I'm going to be 755 00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:29,920 like just trying to pug to see how far I can get and I won't 756 00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:34,120 have those comps, it being readable is going to be so much 757 00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:37,920 better. So in general, Lex, are you 758 00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:43,040 excited for Season 2? Are you going to be still on 759 00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:45,760 your priest in Season 2? So great question. 760 00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:48,400 I think that, and that will probably change whether or not 761 00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:53,240 I, I do a lot of mythic classes, whether I'm DPS or, or healer, 762 00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:56,880 it is just objectively significantly harder to hug as 763 00:48:56,880 --> 00:48:58,800 Adps, right? You have to be a lot better, you 764 00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:01,240 have to have a lot more experience and there's just so 765 00:49:01,240 --> 00:49:05,880 much more competition just on the basis that I am lazy and 766 00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:10,080 more realistically the basis that I have limited time. 767 00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:12,720 And so if I'm logging on, the idea of spending most of that 768 00:49:12,720 --> 00:49:18,960 time button waiting to a group. So if I am healer, I am probably 769 00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:20,520 more likely to do a little bit more mythic plus. 770 00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:23,120 Either way, it's probably going to be primarily with friends. 771 00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:27,200 But I, I mean, I to be honest, I'm having fun with mythic plus 772 00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:31,160 this season now that I'm on healer and I and which is my big 773 00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:34,040 debate, like mental debate right now is I think that I prefer 774 00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:39,840 leveling and things like Grey delves, things like that as a 775 00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:43,280 Demon Hunter. But I prefer and game content as 776 00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:45,000 a priest. And so probably it makes the 777 00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:48,960 most sense to do this thing that I'm enjoying on the the most of 778 00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:50,720 the bulk of the content that I do. 779 00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:54,040 So probably I will go priest, but we shall see. 780 00:49:56,360 --> 00:50:00,560 But yeah, I I so I also did not do I've done Ruby life pools. 781 00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:03,560 I don't know that I've done much King. 782 00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:05,480 I don't think I did any. I don't think I played during 783 00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:08,960 Kings RF. That was yeah, BFA, Yeah, a long 784 00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:10,280 time back. Oh, I actually did do. 785 00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:12,240 So. Maybe I do because I started 786 00:50:12,240 --> 00:50:15,560 playing and actually BFA was when I started rating and when I 787 00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:17,880 started rating especially, I was like, I mean, I wasn't like 788 00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:19,400 sweat, but I was trying much harder. 789 00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:21,840 I was trying to like prove myself to a new group. 790 00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:24,520 So I was doing a lot more like gearing and getting set up. 791 00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:25,960 Got to get back into that. I got to prove. 792 00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:31,520 So actually maybe I do know all these, but I think I think it's 793 00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:32,960 kind of good that they are playing around with them a lot, 794 00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:35,360 partially just people who don't know them as well to have it be 795 00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:38,440 less scary of like, oh, you, everyone else remembers these 796 00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:41,000 and you don't. I do think it's funny, one of 797 00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:43,760 the things that I'm noticing a couple times at least, they like 798 00:50:44,080 --> 00:50:46,920 think being boss mechanics interruptible, which is 799 00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:49,520 interesting, which is good. It's not a change I would have 800 00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:52,400 expected them to make. I don't think it's so much that 801 00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:55,960 they're, they're like a lot of bosses having interruptible 802 00:50:55,960 --> 00:51:00,600 stuff, which is still, I think a good, a good thing to have 803 00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:03,200 interruptible stuff. But the fact that the the boss 804 00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:07,560 isn't doing 3-4 things at once, the fact that like you have more 805 00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:11,800 time to react to them because they're not expecting you to 806 00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:15,240 have weak orders or stuff that that tells you, that tells you 807 00:51:15,240 --> 00:51:17,640 what to do to allow that reaction time. 808 00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:23,240 I think it just means that it is going to be something that even 809 00:51:23,240 --> 00:51:26,920 if you're not interrupting it, you can counter play against it 810 00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:31,200 by saying like, oh, OK, I'm not the I can't just zip zoom like 811 00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:33,080 my Demon Hunter. I'm on my priest. 812 00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:36,440 I have the time to drop a feather and and run out or you 813 00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:40,160 just hard run out to drop the ice off to the side or whatever 814 00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:43,640 the mechanic might call you to do is what they're allowing with 815 00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:45,120 the counter plan. I love that. 816 00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:48,400 Yeah, yeah, it's so. I mean, I don't, I'm not good at 817 00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:51,280 getting in the weeds of things like this, but just glancing at 818 00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:53,560 it, I think it looks good question mark. 819 00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:56,160 I mean, I think it also obviously all of this got to see 820 00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:59,720 it in play if it actually changed for sure. 821 00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:06,080 Actually, I was going to say, if you are, if you're interested in 822 00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:12,240 getting a look at some of these dungeons, King's Rest is BFA and 823 00:52:12,240 --> 00:52:16,400 is currently BFA time walking. So if you want a little quick 824 00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:18,160 reminder of like, what was this about? 825 00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:23,680 Temp of Seth Rallis is also BFA So two of these dungeons are 826 00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:26,800 currently something you could do time walking just to give 827 00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:32,720 yourself a reminder of what they were they were like and then it 828 00:52:32,720 --> 00:52:34,920 won't be as big a shock and you're still working to work 829 00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:43,560 like that cool dragon mount little tip the I don't want to 830 00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:48,080 call an exploit but the way that time the time walking buff 831 00:52:48,080 --> 00:52:50,280 worked previously is still active. 832 00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:55,280 So if you have the master of the time waste buff that you get for 833 00:52:55,280 --> 00:53:00,040 doing four time walking in a week and each time you get a 834 00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:03,520 time walking, you get this increase to experience. 835 00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:08,760 And I believe it's just experience, but correct me if 836 00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:13,840 I'm wrong in the comments. When it take, when you get the 837 00:53:14,240 --> 00:53:20,640 final stack, it gives you a 30% bonus and then if you get that 838 00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:26,280 fully stacked 1 four weeks in a row, you will get the mount. 839 00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:32,160 But if you log off after you've got that buff and log back in 840 00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:35,480 the next week and do one time walking, it just refreshes the 841 00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:38,320 buff and counts so you don't have to do another four in that 842 00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:42,320 week. So find a character that you 843 00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:44,200 want to just park. This again is Week 2. 844 00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:47,480 So you still have multiple weeks to do this. 845 00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:52,200 Any character that you don't need to log in more than three 846 00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:57,560 hours, the buff lasts 3 hours, OK, more than three hours before 847 00:53:57,560 --> 00:54:01,120 the next week and then just refresh that buff for the next 848 00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:03,960 couple of weeks and you won't have to do as much to get to get 849 00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:06,640 this achievement. Master of the time wise. 850 00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:10,000 Very smart. You people are so good at 851 00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:12,760 finding little things, finding little ways to get around all 852 00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:15,200 the little rules. That that's nerfed. 853 00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:17,280 It used to be that you would just refresh it in the same week 854 00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:19,360 and it would count and then you would get in the first week. 855 00:54:19,520 --> 00:54:21,240 But they figure it out to stop that. 856 00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:22,760 Just not that. I'll stop this, yeah. 857 00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:26,400 Alas. But yeah, I I do think that's 858 00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:30,080 smart to be doing time walking that does relate to what's 859 00:54:30,080 --> 00:54:31,320 coming. I mean, obviously they're 860 00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:34,440 usually pretty good. I mean, you can jump on the PTR 861 00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:36,800 if you really want to test it, but for those of us with a 862 00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:39,480 little less time, maybe this will work. 863 00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:44,080 It is very interesting. I think we do. 864 00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:46,960 They do seem to leaning pretty heavily into the trolls, who I 865 00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:50,640 would have said before BFA was one of the more like side right? 866 00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:53,720 Like the kind of like the dwarves where like they very 867 00:54:53,720 --> 00:54:56,400 clearly exist. They're usually visible in every 868 00:54:56,400 --> 00:55:01,920 expansion, but they're never really guiding the expansion. 869 00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:03,760 And now it seems like that's something that they're they're 870 00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:06,080 pushing a little bit more to the point where now I feel like 871 00:55:06,080 --> 00:55:08,600 people whine about the fact that all they do is troll stuff. 872 00:55:09,080 --> 00:55:10,320 So what? Good for. 873 00:55:10,560 --> 00:55:11,800 Who? Who's whining about all the 874 00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:13,280 troll stuff? The troll stuff is great. 875 00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:16,280 Oh yeah, And I so I actually did have a lot of fun with the story 876 00:55:16,280 --> 00:55:17,520 today. I won't get into spoilers, but I 877 00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:24,320 think it was very well done. And I I think the troll lore is 878 00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:28,200 a very interesting thing to untangled because I think it is 879 00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:32,280 some of the lore that they were most comfortable letting the 880 00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:39,800 characters be more morally Gray than generally they do. 881 00:55:40,560 --> 00:55:43,160 Which I think, you know, I could get into long conversations 882 00:55:43,160 --> 00:55:45,440 about Hollow. There's problematic elements to 883 00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:47,200 that. But I think it does mean that 884 00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:50,640 they have interesting lore that you can really dig into. 885 00:55:51,080 --> 00:55:55,880 Like, Oh yeah, this group is kind of universally disliked and 886 00:55:55,880 --> 00:55:58,040 for pretty valid reasons. Like they've actually done a lot 887 00:55:58,040 --> 00:55:59,880 of really bad stuff. And they can't pull the like, 888 00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:04,040 oh, we were under the influence of demon blood or like we were 889 00:56:04,760 --> 00:56:08,040 enslaved by this or that. Like, no, you guys were actually 890 00:56:08,040 --> 00:56:10,600 just kind of a little power hungry and a little. 891 00:56:12,160 --> 00:56:18,360 Honestly, if I can drag drag you out some time, we'll do like a 892 00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:20,800 bonus episode where we can. We can definitely talk about it. 893 00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:24,560 We don't want to dive in too deep into it, like like said, 894 00:56:24,560 --> 00:56:28,280 because we don't want to give spoilers just came out, but we 895 00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:32,360 do want to talk about it. So maybe we can we can go into 896 00:56:32,360 --> 00:56:37,040 that a little bit more. But yes, I do think that in 897 00:56:37,040 --> 00:56:42,080 general, it's something that it leads the story to where we're 898 00:56:42,080 --> 00:56:46,040 going in 12 point 112.1 is very much troll focused. 899 00:56:46,640 --> 00:56:50,160 So that's why they have these dungeons that are like very, 900 00:56:50,600 --> 00:56:53,960 very much troll focused coming and coming back as well as the 901 00:56:53,960 --> 00:56:57,720 new dungeon. I'm glad that we're getting this 902 00:56:57,960 --> 00:57:02,120 this new dungeon. I'm sad that it's unlikely we 903 00:57:02,120 --> 00:57:04,800 will see a mega dungeon anytime soon. 904 00:57:04,840 --> 00:57:08,280 I do love myself some mega dungeons, but I also think that 905 00:57:08,280 --> 00:57:13,040 some of that might be in the mega delve. 906 00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:16,720 The What do they call it again? Labyrinth. 907 00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:19,040 The. Layer right? 908 00:57:19,480 --> 00:57:21,920 No the layers. No, I'm living mixing up with 909 00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:25,400 the guy at the end again. Yeah, OK, sorry, I don't think 910 00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:30,400 we've actually covered this on the show, but layers are a new 911 00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:32,920 thing where instead of world bosses being out in the world 912 00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:37,040 and causing all the lag, they are now putting them into a 913 00:57:37,040 --> 00:57:41,800 layer that will have multiple levels that you queue up for. 914 00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:44,480 And so it'll be instance content. 915 00:57:45,360 --> 00:57:48,360 You'll go to the meeting, so and you'll pick whatever level of 916 00:57:48,360 --> 00:57:52,240 difficulty you want to do and then you'll be thrown into 917 00:57:52,640 --> 00:57:56,560 almost like a groove layer of of a boss fight. 918 00:57:58,480 --> 00:58:00,360 And I think that's cool. So that's what layers are. 919 00:58:00,560 --> 00:58:07,360 I believe labyrinths are the mega delves and I'm hoping that 920 00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:14,280 those do include significant amount of story. 921 00:58:14,520 --> 00:58:20,320 I would like to to see those like really expand upon some 922 00:58:20,320 --> 00:58:23,840 part of lore that doesn't need to be part of the direct stuff 923 00:58:23,840 --> 00:58:28,440 happening with Valatath and the void and all of that. 924 00:58:28,440 --> 00:58:32,920 Or maybe it's a lead into what becomes in the future. 925 00:58:33,240 --> 00:58:40,040 But all of that is aside to what's coming in 12.1, the big, 926 00:58:40,520 --> 00:58:42,840 the big, the big thing, which is the trolls. 927 00:58:43,560 --> 00:58:47,200 I I like that they're that they're doing this. 928 00:58:47,200 --> 00:58:49,920 This to me feels very reminiscent of Isle of Thunder. 929 00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:53,320 I think I talked about that early in the episode where it's 930 00:58:53,320 --> 00:58:56,480 going to give us like a kind of a refresh when on everything's 931 00:58:56,480 --> 00:58:58,600 going to be all void stuff. Now we're dealing with poison 932 00:58:58,600 --> 00:59:04,280 stuff and nature green where but I do love myself some lower. 933 00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:09,360 I think that they're they are cool and this is this deals with 934 00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:19,040 some very lore fundamentals of trolls and elves. 935 00:59:20,240 --> 00:59:25,960 I do, I do really want to dig into some of the places that 936 00:59:25,960 --> 00:59:29,040 they this is taking us and some of the things that they kind of 937 00:59:29,040 --> 00:59:33,360 just ignored in this story story element. 938 00:59:33,360 --> 00:59:37,400 So we are going to definitely do a bonus episode and you guys 939 00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:41,840 will see that on the FAZ Patreon page. 940 00:59:42,640 --> 00:59:54,880 Bit.sorrynotbit.ly0mygoodnesspatreon.com/faz or Z with if you're American ZI 941 00:59:54,880 --> 00:59:57,400 think yeah. No type up VED. 942 00:59:57,400 --> 01:00:09,280 We'll see how it goes. Patreon.com/faz and yeah, so 943 01:00:09,280 --> 01:00:10,880 we'll we'll come back to that. We'll come back to that. 944 01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:13,080 I don't want to, I don't want to go too deep even though I have 945 01:00:13,080 --> 01:00:17,360 things to say. But I think that's going to be 946 01:00:17,360 --> 01:00:20,200 it for us today, unless there's anything else you want to talk 947 01:00:20,200 --> 01:00:23,480 about Legs, OK. Yeah, go have fun. 948 01:00:23,480 --> 01:00:27,600 Just say I, I do think it's, I mean, also, I don't remember 949 01:00:27,600 --> 01:00:30,000 their story. It's not connected to the, to 950 01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:31,360 the patch. I was also a little bit 951 01:00:31,360 --> 01:00:33,560 surprised when everyone was like, oh, did you do the story? 952 01:00:33,560 --> 01:00:35,360 And I was like, I didn't download anything. 953 01:00:36,360 --> 01:00:38,320 Imagine if there was like a podcast where they told you 954 01:00:38,320 --> 01:00:40,560 things like the story is going to be delayed a couple weeks or 955 01:00:40,560 --> 01:00:42,120 something. That would be really sick. 956 01:00:42,720 --> 01:00:45,720 Imagine if I was on one of those I. 957 01:00:45,800 --> 01:00:49,120 Feel like I want to go back and like insert the point where we 958 01:00:49,120 --> 01:00:51,520 were saying and this hasn't come out yet but will be out in a 959 01:00:51,520 --> 01:00:53,800 couple of weeks can. You imagine if somebody thought 960 01:00:53,800 --> 01:00:57,160 to say that on a podcast and I was like on that podcast when it 961 01:00:57,160 --> 01:01:01,400 was said, that would be absurd. Anyway, I forgot so but it's, 962 01:01:01,600 --> 01:01:04,560 you know, it's fun. It's it's not too long, 963 01:01:04,920 --> 01:01:06,640 especially if you remember your stuff in dungeon. 964 01:01:07,440 --> 01:01:11,280 So go enjoy World of Warcraft and appreciate the devs and what 965 01:01:11,280 --> 01:01:15,880 they bring to us and say thank you and then go yell at CEOs but 966 01:01:15,880 --> 01:01:20,880 not devs on Twitter. Well, until next time, may all 967 01:01:20,880 --> 01:01:21,800 your hits be crits.