1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:02,160 So finally, when it came time around for I was like, you know 2 00:00:02,160 --> 00:00:03,760 what I want? I want the 3400. 3 00:00:03,760 --> 00:00:07,760 I want to get this mount that required a bit of work and that 4 00:00:07,760 --> 00:00:10,560 there were dungeons. I mean, again, pugging where 5 00:00:10,560 --> 00:00:12,880 groups just didn't time some of those sixteens. 6 00:00:12,880 --> 00:00:16,880 It took me about like a a reset week, really playing a few hours 7 00:00:16,880 --> 00:00:19,600 throughout throughout the week here and there to work on it 8 00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:21,920 gradually and then and then eventually time those and get 9 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:24,240 it. It wasn't just a go in one shot. 10 00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:27,360 Hey, we're done. Victory for the Forsaken. 11 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:33,640 For Lauderon. For the Karen Tour for Pandaria. 12 00:00:36,080 --> 00:00:40,600 For calendar. To the burning region, for 13 00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:47,320 Gilnaeus, for hath not done, for the Lynch King, for the 14 00:00:47,360 --> 00:00:54,200 Sindorai, for the Alliance, for the Horn, for Azeroth. 15 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:59,120 Hello and welcome back to another episode of For Azeroth. 16 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:02,520 I am one of the hosts, Manny AKA Truman. 17 00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:05,720 Manny and I am joined again by a special guest. 18 00:01:05,720 --> 00:01:09,440 So we do not have Lex, we do not have Sean, but we have Lyria. 19 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:12,480 Lyria, how are you and how's the World of Warcraft been treating 20 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:15,640 you this week? Hi, I'm doing very well. 21 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:19,160 I'm absolutely loving midnight. I've been telling people like I 22 00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:22,400 really enjoyed the War Within, like enjoyed it, it was 23 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:25,360 fantastic. But midnight for me has been 24 00:01:25,360 --> 00:01:27,600 even better. I I've absolutely loved it so 25 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:30,880 far. What's been, what's been the 26 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:33,560 high point for midnight that's been putting at that next level? 27 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:37,760 Oh gosh, I think so. I told myself going into this 28 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:39,960 season that it was going to be the season of ALTS for me 29 00:01:39,960 --> 00:01:45,360 because going back to probably like Legion and BFA, I, I used 30 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:47,800 to have a lot of alts. Like I had my main and it would 31 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:48,960 raid. It would do all, you know, all 32 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:51,760 the weekly things. But I, I used to just, I feel 33 00:01:51,760 --> 00:01:54,560 like be known for playing alts and I moved away from that a 34 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:56,480 little bit. And so this season, going to the 35 00:01:56,480 --> 00:01:58,640 expansion, I'm like, you know what, I'm going to slow down a 36 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:01,480 bit, like still do all the things I normally do, but carve 37 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:04,600 out time every week to make sure that I'm, I'm actually doing 38 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:08,800 the, the delve season journey or I'm actually working on renown 39 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:10,600 for cosmetics. And like just things like that, 40 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:13,960 that make you really appreciate the smaller things in the game 41 00:02:13,960 --> 00:02:17,880 that aren't like the, the bigger like rating and, and chasing IO 42 00:02:17,880 --> 00:02:19,280 and, and mythic plus and things like that. 43 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:20,800 I just really wanted to slow it down. 44 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:23,400 And so far I've managed to accomplish that. 45 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:25,080 And I think, I think that's helped a lot. 46 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:27,520 That's amazing. That honestly sounds like the 47 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:31,960 inverse of my journey. I got to ask you, when you're 48 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:35,600 saying you're re re enlisted this army of alts, how many alts 49 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:38,200 are we talking about here? Oh gosh. 50 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:41,400 Well, so I have 5 characters total. 51 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:44,080 One of them is technically my main, but I I still, I suppose 52 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:47,440 that's still 5 characters. I used to play one of every 53 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:51,480 healer and over the last couple of expansions that's kind of 54 00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:54,040 just been like my main and maybe one other healer. 55 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:57,560 It has not been all of them. So what I've been trying to do, 56 00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:00,640 I should also say it's, it's excluding shaman. 57 00:03:00,640 --> 00:03:03,000 I'm, I'm so sorry for anyone who plays a shaman. 58 00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:09,200 I've never I'm so sorry. I it's the totems. 59 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:11,760 I just I have such a hard time with the totems and I know 60 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:14,240 everyone has told me that they've those are just kind of 61 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:16,720 like scaled back on the totems. They're on it nearly as many as 62 00:03:16,720 --> 00:03:18,600 there used to be, you know, looking back at like Mop. 63 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:22,680 But I that is still on my list because technically I can't say 64 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:26,760 I play all the healers until shaman's leveled, but Hunter's 65 00:03:26,760 --> 00:03:29,320 also on my list. I finally learned how to play 66 00:03:29,320 --> 00:03:32,960 survival in the war within. Do you remember legion when they 67 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:34,480 they turned it into a melee spec? 68 00:03:35,720 --> 00:03:40,560 I, the most I played in Legion as survival with that new spec 69 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:42,680 was the mage tower. And even then I just pressed 70 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:45,800 buttons that lit up and just kind of like hoped that 71 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:47,800 everything would be fine. And then I finished the mage 72 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:48,840 tower and I didn't touch it again. 73 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:51,960 So anyway, Hunter's on my list though, because last expansion I 74 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:54,840 actually sat down and learned how to play survival and it's so 75 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:56,560 much fun. So that's, that's on my list 76 00:03:56,560 --> 00:03:59,280 coming up. But for now, for now it's it's 5 77 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:04,320 characters. 5 characters OK honestly, because the buzzword, 78 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:07,440 the word that has lost all meaning on this show is average. 79 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:10,040 We have Sean who'll be like, Oh yeah, I'm, you know, I'm at 80 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:13,480 average item level and that'll be like 280 something. 81 00:04:13,840 --> 00:04:17,560 And then Lex will be I'm at average item level or other 82 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:19,160 people. And like what averages is of 83 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:23,480 course different for all of us. So it's average. 84 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:27,440 You're playing with a few alts and that happens to be 5. 85 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:31,800 What when you said you're doing like, you know, the, the 86 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:34,360 journey, your dungeon journey and everything. 87 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:37,720 What item level are these? How are you playing? 88 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:39,360 Do you have like separate roles for each of them? 89 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:43,520 So my my rest or druid is the one I do. 90 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:45,040 I do cutting edge rating on the rest or druid. 91 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:47,520 I I made it every tier, every expansion. 92 00:04:47,520 --> 00:04:50,680 That's that's just my go to. That's always my main that I 93 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:53,200 believe at the time of this recording, it's 283. 94 00:04:54,280 --> 00:04:56,640 It's but again, that's the character that it goes with the 95 00:04:56,640 --> 00:04:58,280 great every week. So that's the one that has the 96 00:04:58,280 --> 00:05:00,600 most gear. The other alts I try to do at 97 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:05,200 least one key on them so that the very least, even if I end up 98 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:10,160 taking a socket or whatever, I have one myth slot option in the 99 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:13,560 vault every week. If I have, you know, if it's the 100 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:16,840 weekend and we're coming down to the, you know, the heading 101 00:05:16,840 --> 00:05:20,120 toward Tuesday basically for reset, if I have more time, I 102 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:24,400 will do, I'll pick maybe one or two alt healers and do more keys 103 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:26,920 on them at least maybe like 4 because because then you want 104 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:32,320 unlock 2 ball slots. They're all around 27270, 105 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:34,200 something like maybe the low two 70s. 106 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:37,160 So there I would say that there's about a 10 item level 107 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:38,600 difference with the main and the alts. 108 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:41,200 What I, what I used to do in, in BFA and it was a little bit 109 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:43,880 easier because, you know, that was the COVID days, if a lot of, 110 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:47,480 you know, most people were kind of at home and, you know, work 111 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:48,880 schedules I think were a little bit different. 112 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:50,120 So I had a lot more time back then. 113 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:55,400 And what I tried to do was have my alts ready to step into 114 00:05:55,400 --> 00:05:58,520 mythic rating because that was always my focus for many years. 115 00:05:58,840 --> 00:06:01,400 And my Guild knew that, you know, if we for some reason lost 116 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:05,320 a healer, they quit rating or we got to a boss fight on mythic 117 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:07,120 and it needed a particular healer. 118 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:10,320 You know, like for for example, like mythic mythic paladins 119 00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:15,040 right now in, in Voyd's Fire that a lot of most, most groups, 120 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:17,800 I think bring a misweaver so that you can revival off the, 121 00:06:17,840 --> 00:06:21,400 the spell off the whole group, you know, situations like that. 122 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:25,520 And so I like to have my alts very gradually, not a ton of 123 00:06:25,520 --> 00:06:28,440 pressure every week, but get to a point where if I needed to put 124 00:06:28,440 --> 00:06:33,880 a little bit, you know, 110% into 1 alt for a week, it could 125 00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:38,600 step into mythic at any point. I haven't had to do that, but 126 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:40,040 you know, it's fun to switch it up. 127 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:45,400 OK, that's very cool that you are both specialized in healing, 128 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:47,720 but also a Swiss army knife where you can like pop any of 129 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:50,400 those things out of your roster when needed. 130 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:59,040 OK, so then you of course have done Mythic plus at one point. 131 00:06:59,120 --> 00:07:01,760 You were pushing really hard. For those who don't know you, 132 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:03,920 that are just having introduction to you, what's your 133 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:06,240 history with Mythic Plus and Keystones? 134 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:12,520 I guess my more immediate history is that I I made a 135 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:14,920 wrestler dirt and I I push relatively high mythic. 136 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:22,440 Plus I have achieved the 0.1% title one time one season and 137 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:25,560 that was season 3 of Dragonflights fairly recently in 138 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:28,800 a way the a season immediately after that. 139 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:33,400 I was exactly 50 points off of title that season and that was 140 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:35,720 unfortunate and I'm sure we'll get to it at some point. 141 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:39,280 I, I often pug my keys, you know, so I whenever I talk about 142 00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:42,800 high mythic plus it's not like I have a, a pre made group ready, 143 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:46,560 ready and waiting to go. It's I, I for the last several 144 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:50,280 years have always pugged a tank, for example, always and I've 145 00:07:50,280 --> 00:07:56,200 always pugged usually one DPS. So it kind of, it kind of 146 00:07:56,200 --> 00:07:57,840 depends. Before that though, I I should 147 00:07:57,840 --> 00:08:02,920 also mention that up until Dragonflight I used to only do 148 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:05,360 whatever the weekly key would be. 149 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:08,560 So weekly key meaning like the lowest key level you need to do 150 00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:11,800 to unlock the highest item level from your vault. 151 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:14,480 So in this case, right now in midnight season one, that would 152 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:18,320 be a 10. It unlocks A myth myth level 153 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:22,040 gear from your vault. I used to only do that and then 154 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:25,720 in Dragonflight that's when things shifted a little bit and 155 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:27,920 I started to do higher, higher and higher keys. 156 00:08:29,240 --> 00:08:33,440 OK, so let's focus in on that. Like what was involved in making 157 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:36,720 that shift from going and saying like, OK, I'm going to get the 158 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:40,559 highest reward and since nothing I don't get anything extra from 159 00:08:41,520 --> 00:08:46,840 from going beyond to I'm going to be in the top .1% and push 160 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:50,560 and push on that. And I, I also do want to say I'm 161 00:08:50,560 --> 00:08:53,080 really sorry for missing the point 1% by 50. 162 00:08:53,080 --> 00:08:56,960 That's that's got to hurt. That took that, that was 163 00:08:56,960 --> 00:08:58,440 painful. That took a little while to get 164 00:08:58,440 --> 00:09:02,360 Oh, and and it it was, it was painful, I think because when 165 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:05,920 you're pugging it, it just, I mean, a, a friend and I were 166 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:08,520 pugging together. It was a it was DPS and I were, 167 00:09:08,520 --> 00:09:11,040 were queuing up in LFG, the season 4 Dragonflight. 168 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:14,360 And it got to the point where even just listing it wasn't even 169 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:16,480 like we were playing that queue simulator that people talk about 170 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:19,600 where you, you know, you, you go up for a key D list, D list, D 171 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:21,200 decline, D list, you know, decline. 172 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:24,480 It wasn't it wasn't even that we would list our own key. 173 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:31,000 We would try to push our and we were not finding people with 174 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:33,280 comparable experience. And, and what I mean by that, 175 00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:36,600 because it's not meant to come across as a oh, we're excluding 176 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:38,360 people. It's more like when you, for 177 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:41,920 example, right now, the time of this recording, I believe title 178 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:44,160 range is right around plus A + 19. 179 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:48,120 At the time when we were, we missed it by 50 points. 180 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:51,800 It would be like if you were putting up a + 19 key into LFG, 181 00:09:52,040 --> 00:09:55,640 but having people with a + 14 + 14 experience queuing up. 182 00:09:56,160 --> 00:09:58,760 There's a big difference. There's a big jump between a + 183 00:09:58,760 --> 00:10:01,840 15 and a + 19. The damage itself, just the 184 00:10:01,840 --> 00:10:05,960 numbers are quite different and there's a little bit of, there's 185 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:09,200 a bit more understanding involved when you're kind of 186 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:11,240 jumping out, You know, I don't, I don't even, I wouldn't even 187 00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:14,000 jump from like a 14 to a 16. You know, I would, I would jump 188 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:17,520 into a 15 instead, personally. And so at the time, and those 189 00:10:17,520 --> 00:10:19,760 numbers I'm throwing out are just an example, at the time it 190 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:22,720 was just really difficult to find somebody who knew the 191 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:26,400 dungeons because my friend and I had been pucking and pucking and 192 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:27,880 pucking till for like 2 weeks straight. 193 00:10:27,880 --> 00:10:32,800 We sit up till, oh gosh, do I tell you this, We stayed up to 194 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:35,000 about 3 or 4 in the morning for two weeks straight. 195 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:36,960 I had some time off of work and we were like, you know what, 196 00:10:36,960 --> 00:10:39,680 this is the big push. We're just going to go and and 197 00:10:39,680 --> 00:10:41,640 attempt to get title. It's toward the end of the 198 00:10:41,640 --> 00:10:44,800 season. And we had seen the dungeons 199 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:46,240 over and over and over and over again. 200 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:47,600 We knew the routes, we knew the polls. 201 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:51,160 And so part of pugging and I might be getting a little bit 202 00:10:51,160 --> 00:10:53,960 off topic of your original. No, no, this is all wonderful. 203 00:10:54,680 --> 00:10:58,680 Part of pugging is you. You don't know who you're going 204 00:10:58,680 --> 00:11:00,240 to get, like what their experience level is. 205 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:02,640 And so again, going back to those numbers where when you see 206 00:11:02,640 --> 00:11:05,560 somebody in their highest key is, you know, couple key levels 207 00:11:05,560 --> 00:11:09,440 below what you're trying to do, there is that there's that gap 208 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:13,520 in experience where it gets a little bit tricky. 209 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:17,160 And when you only have X amount of hours a day to attempt 210 00:11:17,160 --> 00:11:20,400 something, it becomes this question where like, OK, well, 211 00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:23,080 do you, do you try to team up with somebody and you know, 212 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:24,720 maybe they're going to stay. They, they might not even want 213 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:27,400 to stay in your group. You know, they already have a 214 00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:29,560 group, but maybe they're, they're queuing up because they 215 00:11:29,560 --> 00:11:32,320 have an hour to kill. And then, you know, we ran into 216 00:11:32,320 --> 00:11:34,720 that a lot as well, where people couldn't commit to our group, 217 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:36,720 but just wanted to do a key here and there. 218 00:11:38,360 --> 00:11:41,040 You, you just, you never know what people's experience levels 219 00:11:41,040 --> 00:11:42,840 are going to be. And it just, it made it really 220 00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:45,400 tricky to kind of match up that experience level. 221 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:47,920 And I think in general, I should also mention, because I, again, 222 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:51,720 I'm not trying to come come across it as, you know, you have 223 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:54,720 to has to be the same, you know, experience level has to be the 224 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:57,520 exact same IO, because that's, that's not the case either. 225 00:11:58,040 --> 00:12:01,680 I have, I've brought in DPS friends before who didn't really 226 00:12:01,680 --> 00:12:05,160 have a ton of experience, but needed to see the dungeons, knew 227 00:12:05,160 --> 00:12:07,640 their class really well and just needed to know, Oh, this is when 228 00:12:07,640 --> 00:12:10,720 I pop a defensive or this is when, you know, they kind of 229 00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:13,800 learn, you know, you spend a few days, a week or two, you know, 230 00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:15,560 and, and they kind of get into this rhythm. 231 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:19,440 We've tried that before, but I think sometimes you fall into a 232 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:22,360 little bit of a time crunch where you're just kind of 233 00:12:22,360 --> 00:12:25,880 looking for somebody who has approximately, you know, a key 234 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:29,800 level or two difference than what you're trying to to time. 235 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:34,240 OK, No, that is that's a lot of things that you touched on there 236 00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:37,680 that I was going to hopefully get to in the future. 237 00:12:37,680 --> 00:12:40,560 But I do love that. So I bear with me. 238 00:12:40,560 --> 00:12:42,920 I want to pick apart just just some of that so. 239 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:44,880 I tend to keep going. I love talking about Mythic 240 00:12:44,880 --> 00:12:47,160 plus. No, this is wonderful. 241 00:12:47,160 --> 00:12:50,200 This is great. I mean like that's just front 242 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:52,080 loaded information. I hope all the people listening 243 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:54,600 to this are are thankful that they are getting all this 244 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:59,880 because I'm enjoying this a lot. But again, you were pugging it 245 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:04,760 to get to that point and you have gone into the point 1% 246 00:13:04,920 --> 00:13:07,000 through this mean. So it is possible as you said, 247 00:13:07,560 --> 00:13:11,640 obviously as you're pugging the confidence that you have in what 248 00:13:11,800 --> 00:13:14,520 in who you're bringing is like different because you haven't 249 00:13:14,520 --> 00:13:17,320 worked with these people. What I would like to ask you 250 00:13:17,320 --> 00:13:23,000 about is as you are preparing yourself, or if you are looking 251 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:25,320 for other people to prepare, what are the things that they 252 00:13:25,320 --> 00:13:30,320 could do to like give themselves the best chance of not being the 253 00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:32,880 person where that confidence was betrayed, I guess. 254 00:13:34,520 --> 00:13:36,720 So that, that reminds me, because I think I've answered 255 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:39,880 part of your question before, and I think part of your 256 00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:44,120 question a moment ago was how do you, how do you go from doing a 257 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:46,520 + 10, for example, like just trying to fill up your vault and 258 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:53,320 to the 0.1% range or, or possibly just under like 50 259 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:57,080 points? I had just joined a Guild and 260 00:13:57,080 --> 00:13:58,560 this is connected to the confidence piece. 261 00:13:58,560 --> 00:14:00,000 I just joined a new rating Guild. 262 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:02,840 I had taken the first couple of Ray tears off in Dragonflight 263 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:07,600 and in this new rating Guild, there was a Windwalker monk And, 264 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:09,320 and they were, he was very, he's very, I'm still friends with 265 00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:10,080 him. He's very nice. 266 00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:13,400 And he had reached out to me pretty, pretty early on when I 267 00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:16,720 joined the Guild and he said, hey, beginning of the season, 268 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:18,680 are you interested in pushing keys? 269 00:14:18,760 --> 00:14:22,240 I asked the Guild every season, hey, does anyone want to push 270 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:23,520 keys? I'm never going to need takers. 271 00:14:23,640 --> 00:14:25,480 You're new. Would you like to do this? 272 00:14:25,600 --> 00:14:28,080 And I had never had anyone asked me that before. 273 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:30,520 And I was like, you know what? Sure, why not? 274 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:34,320 Because if this person also doesn't have a ton of experience 275 00:14:34,320 --> 00:14:37,960 pushing keys and I don't have a ton of experience, then at least 276 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:40,880 that confidence level, it made me feel it was a little bit more 277 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:43,480 comforting knowing that if I make a mistake, this person 278 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:48,640 isn't, they don't have high, super high expectations for me 279 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:51,160 because they're also learning it in a way. 280 00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:53,600 I think they had a little bit more experience than I did 281 00:14:54,640 --> 00:14:58,360 because they had tried to push higher before, not at the title 282 00:14:58,360 --> 00:15:02,160 range, but it it felt nice one knowing that it was someone in 283 00:15:02,160 --> 00:15:04,440 the Guild, someone that yes, well, I had just met them a 284 00:15:04,440 --> 00:15:07,560 little bit. They had been in the Guild for a 285 00:15:07,560 --> 00:15:09,320 long time. Obviously the Guild, the Guild, 286 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:10,400 trust them. They have a ton of friends 287 00:15:10,400 --> 00:15:12,360 there. It's always nice, you know, when 288 00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:13,760 someone sticks around for a while. 289 00:15:15,280 --> 00:15:19,120 And then it was also nice to be asked to want to do this, want 290 00:15:19,120 --> 00:15:23,480 to learn, want to just have fun. There were no goals from the 291 00:15:23,480 --> 00:15:27,560 beginning to, to hit title or even even the, the 1% range. 292 00:15:27,560 --> 00:15:30,400 It was, hey, let's just do this for fun in our free time. 293 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:33,160 We'll push keys, we'll see what we can do. 294 00:15:33,560 --> 00:15:37,560 And so the confidence piece, it took me a long time to get that, 295 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:41,040 even even with playing with somebody who I knew. 296 00:15:42,560 --> 00:15:46,320 I remember the first key I did that season by myself without 297 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:50,320 this Windwalker monk who was there to kind of like not quite 298 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:52,640 hold my hand, but you to be there as like a comforting 299 00:15:52,800 --> 00:15:56,840 person that you know. And I was terrified. 300 00:15:57,000 --> 00:16:02,000 I remember, oh gosh, it was, it was dark heart thicket. 301 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:04,520 I remember that. And that dungeon in particular, 302 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:07,160 if anybody else played that season or you remember it from 303 00:16:07,160 --> 00:16:11,200 Legion, there are cats at the beginning of that dungeon as 304 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:14,440 you're, you're kind of going down this very windy road and 305 00:16:14,440 --> 00:16:16,520 the cats leap and they and they, they do a bleed. 306 00:16:16,880 --> 00:16:17,960 You know, there's also birds there. 307 00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:19,560 The birds screech. There's, there's a ton of a weed 308 00:16:19,560 --> 00:16:22,320 damage. And I remember signing up for 309 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:26,120 this key level and it was a, it was a score key for me. 310 00:16:26,120 --> 00:16:27,680 Like I hadn't timed it at that level. 311 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:30,280 And I was terrified. I remember sitting here in this 312 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:32,600 chair with my heart racing. It's kind of like when you're 313 00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:34,600 watching a scary movie and you know something bad is about to 314 00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:36,800 happen and your heart just starts racing and racing. 315 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:38,920 And then you can feel your like your face is like getting kind 316 00:16:38,920 --> 00:16:41,480 of hot and you're like, what is the best, you know, And you're 317 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:44,200 still on the edge of your seat. That's how I felt going into 318 00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:49,600 this key. And on that pull on that winding 319 00:16:49,600 --> 00:16:54,360 Rd. we, we basically bricked the key in a way. 320 00:16:54,360 --> 00:16:56,440 I mean, it was a high enough key where we just kept wiping over 321 00:16:56,440 --> 00:16:58,560 and over a week where we're not getting past those packs. 322 00:16:58,920 --> 00:17:01,720 And the, the person whose key it was, was like, all right, Gigi, 323 00:17:01,720 --> 00:17:05,800 nice try, but nobody yelled, nobody said anything. 324 00:17:06,040 --> 00:17:07,960 Nobody. They just said, you know, Gigi, 325 00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:10,920 you know, NT a nice try. And then and then everybody 326 00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:13,599 left. And I think some of the 327 00:17:13,599 --> 00:17:18,520 confidence comes from the confidence piece is knowing 328 00:17:18,520 --> 00:17:22,200 that, telling myself that this is this is the Internet, yes, 329 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:24,359 it's an MMO, yes, you're playing with other people. 330 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:28,319 Yes, I'm going to make mistakes. You're going to make people 331 00:17:28,319 --> 00:17:29,480 watching this are going to make this. 332 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:33,000 Everybody makes mistakes and the people. 333 00:17:34,360 --> 00:17:36,720 And again, I think this is easier to maybe say or maybe 334 00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:39,880 easier to hear than it is to kind of like take it to heart 335 00:17:39,880 --> 00:17:42,440 and actually like, you know, remember it, including myself 336 00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:47,280 when there are people who maybe do make comments like for at the 337 00:17:47,280 --> 00:17:50,480 end of that poll, for example, if that group had kind of gone 338 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:53,200 off on me and been like, where are the heels? 339 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:56,200 You know, like tanks and healers are always blamed for things or 340 00:17:56,200 --> 00:18:01,280 hunter pets, you know, and even if they had done that, I think 341 00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:06,920 the more important thing to remember is why, why did the 342 00:18:06,920 --> 00:18:10,640 pole fail? Because it's not just a oh, 343 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:13,120 healer didn't press buttons kind of issue. 344 00:18:13,120 --> 00:18:16,320 It's OK. Well, when the screech went off, 345 00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:21,480 did the hunter use a defensive? Did the mage pop mass barrier? 346 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:25,400 Was somebody sitting on a healthstone available to use and 347 00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:27,080 didn't and then bled out to a bleed? 348 00:18:27,320 --> 00:18:28,720 You know, there are a lot of things. 349 00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:32,040 Did the tank lose aggro on a mob and it went and one shot the 350 00:18:32,040 --> 00:18:34,160 rogue? You know, something like that. 351 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:39,960 I try to remember those moments and I try to not focus on the 352 00:18:39,960 --> 00:18:43,240 negativity because I think if it's if somebody who is going to 353 00:18:43,240 --> 00:18:46,720 kind of fly off the handle like that, it's someone who's not 354 00:18:46,720 --> 00:18:50,320 looking at the key in an analytical way, trying to figure 355 00:18:50,320 --> 00:18:52,280 out why it wiped. They're just throwing out 356 00:18:52,280 --> 00:18:55,120 insults because they're ticked off, you know. 357 00:18:56,280 --> 00:18:59,320 So another long winded answer of explaining, you know, the, the 358 00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:03,560 confidence piece takes time, but it also kind of takes this 359 00:19:03,560 --> 00:19:07,760 mindset where you kind of do need a little bit of thick skin 360 00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:09,720 on the Internet. You know, whether you're whether 361 00:19:09,720 --> 00:19:12,280 it's on a pocket, you know, or you're streaming or, or you're 362 00:19:12,280 --> 00:19:15,480 just playing, playing a key, right? 363 00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:18,200 And you're, you know, it's not even broadcasted or anything. 364 00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:22,400 You're just, you're logging in. It's just your character knowing 365 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:25,840 that, you know, even if you did make a mistake, you forgot to, 366 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:30,520 you forgot to iron bark the tank or, or whatever it was, it's 367 00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:32,880 just a mistake. And now you know, hey, the in 368 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:35,840 the next key, the tank needs iron bark on the pole or, or 369 00:19:35,840 --> 00:19:39,160 whatever it might be. Even in those negative moments, 370 00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:40,720 it's always a learning experience. 371 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:46,280 The negativity that can come from from pug groups and such, 372 00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:49,480 focusing on the analytics, focusing on trying to improve. 373 00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:55,600 I like that When you are moving to these higher key levels, are 374 00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:59,160 there like things that people should be on the lookout for? 375 00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:01,560 Are there like points where you're like, hey, now that 376 00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:04,600 you're here, maybe you should be paying attention to this more 377 00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:08,600 than you were before? Yeah, actually there's a dungeon 378 00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:11,000 this season at midnight that comes to mind, and it's Win 379 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:14,880 Runner Spire, the very last boss in that dungeon. 380 00:20:16,840 --> 00:20:21,000 There are, I always call them feathers. 381 00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:23,040 I don't know if they're they're they're the little feathers that 382 00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:24,400 drop on the ground. I don't know what else to call 383 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:25,520 them. I think it's a feather because 384 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:27,680 it, it kind of boosts you up into the air. 385 00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:33,280 So you get everybody gets a debuff at some point and it, 386 00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:36,440 it's, it's ticking damage on you unless you go and grab one of 387 00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:39,160 those again, we'll call it a feather and it, it kind of 388 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:42,480 throws you up into the air. It gets it gets rid of that dot 389 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:47,040 though. I think on on lower keys people 390 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:51,040 don't notice the damage as much, but on higher keys that ticks a 391 00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:52,960 lot. And let's say the entire group 392 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:55,640 does not clear it. That's a lot of extra healing 393 00:20:55,640 --> 00:20:59,080 stress on your healer while they're also dealing with other 394 00:21:00,360 --> 00:21:02,160 other mechanics that are that are going on on that fight. 395 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:05,600 My hunter that I play with did them. 396 00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:06,960 I am not a numbers person by the way. 397 00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:09,960 I was an English undergrad, so I have not fact checked if I have 398 00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:13,520 not done the numbers myself. But he did the numbers one day 399 00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:16,800 and it was roughly at, at a particular key level, something 400 00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:20,880 like 6060, something extra percent of healing that the the 401 00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:23,760 healer has to do on people. If you don't clear that on a, on 402 00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:26,600 a high enough key, because I guess there's a couple different 403 00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:30,480 ways of thinking about it. Let's say you have two out of 404 00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:33,560 your three DPS or melee. Or let's say even all three, 405 00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:37,680 maybe all three are are melee. There's this one argument where 406 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:40,960 you know you're having melee, run away from the boss, grab it, 407 00:21:41,120 --> 00:21:44,160 get thrown up in the air. That's DPS that's not on the 408 00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:45,960 boss. You're not DPS ING the boss at 409 00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:51,520 that point. But also it's a little bit of a 410 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:54,560 of a trade off because you also risk people dying. 411 00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:56,080 The healer might not be able to heal. 412 00:21:56,360 --> 00:21:58,320 I mean, we're talking like high like hierarchies. 413 00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:01,480 I'd say anything above like a like a 13, maybe 13 or 14. 414 00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:03,920 I think it's when you really should start considering 415 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:08,360 clearing it. It depends is, is somebody going 416 00:22:08,360 --> 00:22:10,560 to die to that they're going to get too low it, you know, you 417 00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:13,840 just run into these risks and now and now someone might be 418 00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:16,640 dead because they didn't, they didn't clear it, you know, So 419 00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:20,000 it's that's one example that comes to mind because I think 420 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:22,440 when, when you're entering and for a long time, I didn't know 421 00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:25,440 that again until I got to a hierarchy and realized, oh, 422 00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:26,640 we're supposed to be clearing this. 423 00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:29,920 You know, I have people who watch my stream, you know, 424 00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:32,120 sometimes if I'm doing that dungeon and they ask me, hey, 425 00:22:32,120 --> 00:22:33,720 why, why are you having everyone clear that? 426 00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:36,360 Because they also don't know. It's those little things. 427 00:22:36,360 --> 00:22:40,360 I think there might be mechanics in certain dungeons, either on 428 00:22:40,360 --> 00:22:43,960 the trash or on certain fights where you don't notice it as 429 00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:50,720 much on like a a 10/11/12, maybe even sometimes a 13 until you 430 00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:53,320 get to the the higher keys. And you also start to see 431 00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:55,760 overlaps maybe. And you start to see, OK, if 432 00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:58,120 there's two mechanics happening at the same time, there's two 433 00:22:58,120 --> 00:23:01,640 overlaps. This this one that I thought 434 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:04,920 wasn't really anything actually does hurt a lot. 435 00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:08,080 You know, like in their example in Winrunner is the the bird 436 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:10,240 boss, right? The firebird boss. 437 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:11,880 Well, the fire swirls, I'm sure, you know, like you're. 438 00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:13,120 Yeah, you're not. You're like, Oh yeah, I know the 439 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:17,720 boss people. When you run out a swirl, the 440 00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:19,680 boss selects 2 people. You have to run it out. 441 00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:24,440 It drops a tornado basically that does a lot of damage to 442 00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:27,640 people. And if you're playing a healer 443 00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:29,760 and you're and you're the one who gets it, you're running, 444 00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:31,800 which means that you're not healing yourself and you're not 445 00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:33,200 healing the other person who gets it. 446 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:36,760 And you'll notice really quickly that, oh man, this, this 447 00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:40,040 particular mechanic, this hurts. This is a this is a dot. 448 00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:43,440 This is damage that I didn't notice before because it was 449 00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:46,600 lower key. So I think it it really just 450 00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:49,920 comes with repetition and and seeing it because there are 451 00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:54,480 certain spells, debuffs, mechanics, fights, even overall 452 00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:57,840 dungeons that are easier on some healers than there than there 453 00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:03,240 are others. OK, so I think a lot of this is 454 00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:06,200 actually getting into the dungeons, doing those dungeons, 455 00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:12,080 pushing yourself, not only just because you learn and you can 456 00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:15,960 like, I guess ingrain that information into your head. 457 00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:19,400 It the example you gave is actually kind of perfect. 458 00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:24,560 Because I, when I ran my first 13 in Windrunner Spire, I had 459 00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:28,240 two, two people who mentioned me and said you may not be ready 460 00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:30,800 for a 13. You weren't paying attention to 461 00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:34,400 this and this. And so, like I, I know that you 462 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:37,800 may not be ready for a 13 is a harsh thing. 463 00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:41,440 And so I, I had to like, you know, have that thick skin 464 00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:43,440 you're, you're saying, but the fact that they pointed out 465 00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:47,200 exactly what the things that I had missed was was incredibly 466 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:51,000 helpful. So one, removing that dot it 467 00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:54,120 from like just being shot up from I think it's arrows on that 468 00:24:54,120 --> 00:24:56,120 last boss, but whatever, we'll call them feathers. 469 00:24:57,160 --> 00:25:02,680 And yeah, the fire plumes or the fact that the undead boss, that 470 00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:05,720 is a curse. So as a shaman, I can get rid of 471 00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:08,280 that in my DPS spec and not have to worry about it being chased. 472 00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:12,920 All those little things that like once you've played it and 473 00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:16,200 then you know what you and in your particular specs slash cost 474 00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:21,120 can handle uniquely means that you're just that much better 475 00:25:21,120 --> 00:25:24,800 prepared as things become way closer. 476 00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:28,800 And I think you gave that a great example of the fire 477 00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:31,760 tornadoes because the fire tornado may not kill you on its 478 00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:35,800 own, but it may leave you so vulnerable to at the point that 479 00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:38,240 it combines with something else and just ends you. 480 00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:41,360 And so like, the issue wasn't what exactly killed you, but 481 00:25:41,360 --> 00:25:44,040 what you could have done to put yourself in a position where you 482 00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:45,480 wouldn't have been killed by that. 483 00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:49,120 And I love, I love that you're giving all these examples that 484 00:25:49,120 --> 00:25:57,920 just sort of meld in this season in particular, we have the new 485 00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:04,080 3400 rating to get a saddle. We also have aside from the 486 00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:09,680 point 1% title push, we have a 1% new milestone to hit. 487 00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:14,280 Do you think that these are needed to bridge that gap from 488 00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:18,680 just doing doing what you needed for your vault to like getting 489 00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:22,960 people to go higher at what do you think that this is like a 490 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:24,520 good thing overall? But what are you? 491 00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:27,560 What's your take on this? I've seen a couple of different 492 00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:30,600 takes. My mine personally is I think 493 00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:34,720 having more incentives for people to continue to push past 494 00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:38,720 the Keystone Legends, which is which is all I believe all or 495 00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:41,320 three 3K rather, which is mostly twelves. 496 00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:44,400 I think it's really good to have incentives like that. 497 00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:47,760 However, I have seen other takes where people are saying, well, 498 00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:51,520 now there's FOMO. I don't do plus sixteens. 499 00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:54,360 And for the most part you, you need mostly sixteens or, or all 500 00:26:54,360 --> 00:27:00,960 sixteens to get 3400. And that's, I'm not going to 501 00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:03,520 lie, because I, I just got that at the time of this recording, a 502 00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:06,440 couple weeks prior to this, I, I kind of took the first couple 503 00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:08,720 weeks off and I didn't remember the 55 volts. 504 00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,760 So I focused on, on, you know, the plus 10's and, and gearing 505 00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:13,360 those up. So finally when it came time 506 00:27:13,360 --> 00:27:15,800 around for, I was like, you know what, I want, I want the 3400. 507 00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:19,800 I want to get this mount that required a bit of work and that 508 00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:22,600 there were dungeons. I mean, again, pugging where 509 00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:24,880 groups just didn't time some of those sixteens. 510 00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:28,920 It took me about like a a reset week, really playing a few hours 511 00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:31,640 throughout throughout the week here and there to work on it 512 00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:33,920 gradually and then and then eventually time those and get 513 00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:36,280 it. It wasn't just a go in one shot. 514 00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:40,640 Hey, we're done. And so I understand that take as 515 00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:44,720 well where people are saying, hey, I don't normally do 516 00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:46,680 sixteens. Now I have to spend all this 517 00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:49,080 extra time this season working toward that. 518 00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:54,880 But I also think, you know, I guess, I guess that same 519 00:27:54,880 --> 00:28:01,360 argument or similar argument maybe is that usually the last 520 00:28:01,360 --> 00:28:04,120 boss of a Mythic Ray tier will drop a mount. 521 00:28:04,120 --> 00:28:08,040 Now it's not every tier, but several mounts usually drop off 522 00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:10,200 a final mythic boss every every expansion. 523 00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:14,280 And yes, while that mount is still technically there, it just 524 00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:18,720 drops down in percent usually. You know, instead of having like 525 00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:22,840 3 guaranteed drop it I I think it's like a 1% or or maybe even 526 00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:24,200 lower. It's somewhere around in that 527 00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:27,440 range. You know, I think having all 528 00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:31,200 season to work toward a + 16, I think A+ plus sixteens are much 529 00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:34,840 different than finding a group of 20 people and then rating 530 00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:38,240 every single week for two to three nights a week every week. 531 00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:39,600 You know, it's, it's a lot different. 532 00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:42,520 I think the plus 16 is a little bit more accessible because you, 533 00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:45,000 you can puck it. It is only for other people in 534 00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:49,840 addition to yourself. And I think you, you just, you 535 00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:51,160 have the entire season to work for that. 536 00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:54,200 So I do think it's good. I do hear both takes. 537 00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:58,280 I think for many years, people who were already kind of in that 538 00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:02,040 range were already saying, Hey, I, I don't, I'm not quite at the 539 00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:05,800 point 1% range, but I also don't get anything for doing this. 540 00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:09,280 Like I like the challenge of pushing keys, but I don't get 541 00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:10,880 anything from it. The only thing I get is this 542 00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:13,520 like personal satisfaction that I'm doing challenging content 543 00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:15,520 either with pugs or with friends and it's fun. 544 00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:22,280 You know that, that difficulty, I think I think it's good and I 545 00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:24,480 think it's an interesting concept that they have. 546 00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:27,040 You know, you, you basically get a token, it's this currency 547 00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:31,560 token and you can go and you can spend it on, I believe it's past 548 00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:34,840 KSM mounts from previous expansions. 549 00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:38,000 But then they also have 6 new mounts that you can get. 550 00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:41,920 So I guess the one, the one piece of feedback I do have 551 00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:44,920 about it is that like for me, I have 6 different mounts to 552 00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:48,720 choose from and I just, I always freeze up in general when it 553 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:50,560 comes to a decision like that where I'm like, I can only pick 554 00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:52,200 one. You know, I remember back in 555 00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:55,360 Mop, if, if you, if you played Mop back in the challenge mode 556 00:29:56,200 --> 00:30:00,960 dungeons, when you timed them all on silver, right, there was 557 00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:02,200 like the bronze, silver and the gold. 558 00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:06,200 When you timed them all on a silver, you got access to the 559 00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:08,400 mounts and they were these gorgeous phoenixes. 560 00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:12,280 And you could only pick one unless you did it on multiple 561 00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:14,000 characters. And then the next character 562 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:15,800 could pick a different color and then the third one would pick 563 00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:17,040 the third color, you know, and so on. 564 00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:19,520 And then eventually they just, they unlocked all four colors if 565 00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:20,760 you, if you unlocked it at the time. 566 00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:23,360 But even back then I remember thinking, oh, no, OK, I have to 567 00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:25,520 pick wisely. I feel that now. 568 00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:27,840 So the one piece of advice I have is, Oh my gosh, why do we 569 00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:32,840 have six options? I mean, I think three of them 570 00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:39,280 are shredder mounts of different huge so but yeah, I I get that. 571 00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:45,160 And I, I remember so little bit of deep lore before I was doing 572 00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:47,800 any podcasting or anything. I was also working on those 573 00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:49,880 those challenge modes back in Mr. Pandaria. 574 00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:54,160 That was I was actually healing on Resto Shaman, the one that. 575 00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:57,680 You don't like, I'm so sorry. Oh, it's OK. 576 00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:00,920 I actually have not healed in many years. 577 00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:06,080 Definitely not main healing. I love pushing and getting those 578 00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:09,680 rewards. And even though they gave all of 579 00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:13,680 the mounts, you only get the transmog on characters that had 580 00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:16,000 done that and that, that's another thing that's unique. 581 00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:18,640 So I always hated that. I was like, oh man, I'm missing 582 00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:21,040 out. And I don't want to like go 583 00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:24,080 through all the effort of like creating a different character 584 00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:26,120 of each class just so I can get that trans blog. 585 00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:29,000 I guess I'm missing out. I understand. 586 00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:36,960 I'm always a person who doesn't feel FOMO in that same way. 587 00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:39,800 I like, yes, it's like, oh, I guess I'm missing out. 588 00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:44,560 But also isn't it cool that as a shaman, man, I have that thing 589 00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:47,120 and that's for shamans. It's not just I did it on any 590 00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:53,200 character. So I I like that prestige as a 591 00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:55,800 relative quality to the exclusiveness. 592 00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:03,480 But yeah, I feel like the amounts that they added, the new 593 00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:06,320 ones that they did, they're recolors of previous ones. 594 00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:12,960 I want to see how quickly they rotate the selection. 595 00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:16,520 Like if we get into next season and those six mounts completely 596 00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:20,360 change, I'm going to like call foul on that. 597 00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:24,080 But if they stick around so that we get through like let's say 598 00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:29,160 three seasons of this and we can pick up half of them, that would 599 00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:31,760 feel OK before they wrote. And I wouldn't want them to 600 00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:34,960 rotate them all. I they rotate some of them and 601 00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:37,760 then you're like, OK, great. Like I can eventually get all of 602 00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:40,720 these. So it is a it is a matter of 603 00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:44,520 like how quickly, how quickly they stuff these back in the 604 00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:47,600 Disney vault. It's a Disney vault. 605 00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:51,600 I love that. Oh, yeah, no, every time, Every 606 00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:55,520 time I think about artificial scarcity, it is the Disney vault 607 00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:58,720 that I think of as the paradigm. So we're looking for these 608 00:32:58,720 --> 00:32:59,800 things. Therefore, there is a bit of 609 00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:05,320 FOMO involved. But when I am going, because I 610 00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:09,280 am at the situation where you're at, I did my like twelves. 611 00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:12,520 I wanted to get my KSL so that I got everything. 612 00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:16,040 And now there's more things that are out there that I want to 613 00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:18,960 get. And So what resources could I or 614 00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:22,200 people like me look at to say like, OK, now that I'm making 615 00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:26,120 this shift, what can I, what can I do to like, give myself the 616 00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:29,440 most I can without just beating my head against the wall until I 617 00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:32,040 get it? The advice I have it's, it's the 618 00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:33,920 same advice I gave. You know it again. 619 00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:35,480 I, I keep going to back to dragonflakes. 620 00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:40,360 That's when I started and and I I streamed the progress really 621 00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:42,320 it's when I came back to streaming and I just so happened 622 00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:44,480 to kind of start doing mythic plus and then people kind of 623 00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:48,520 started watching and then it. So anyways, the advice that I 624 00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:51,360 have always given this is this is exactly what I followed back 625 00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:58,640 in Dragonflight is so I when I'm not streaming, I usually have a 626 00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:00,560 stream up. It's it's, it's often why I see 627 00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:03,400 even Cory stream right. And you know, we're in and other 628 00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:05,600 streams as well. I always have a stream up, 629 00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:07,720 whether I'm like actively sitting here and talking in chat 630 00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:08,679 or I have it up in the background. 631 00:34:08,679 --> 00:34:11,760 I'm working on something else. But I that also means that I'm 632 00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:14,880 always watching other other restaurants who are doing 633 00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:17,239 similar key levels as B or higher. 634 00:34:17,679 --> 00:34:22,080 And I, even if, again, I'm not sitting here for hours on end 635 00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:26,080 watching every single key, I might TuneIn or I might see that 636 00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:27,239 let's say they're doing winrunner. 637 00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:28,800 Let's say I'm having a difficult time in winrunner. 638 00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:32,120 And I see that they're doing that because it's live and most 639 00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:34,280 people streaming they're, they're going to, they, they 640 00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:35,960 want questions, right? They're going to interact. 641 00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:38,199 I, I don't know why else you would be streaming it if you 642 00:34:38,199 --> 00:34:40,120 didn't actually want to be interacting with people, right? 643 00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:45,480 So it, what I've always done. I ask questions, I ask a ton of 644 00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:48,360 questions. I, you know, I think back to a 645 00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:51,320 tall Dizar, which was Abfa dungeon and then they, they 646 00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:53,679 brought it back and there were some mobs. 647 00:34:53,679 --> 00:34:57,120 Oh gosh, was this, I think this was also maybe it was a 648 00:34:57,120 --> 00:34:58,400 dragonflight. I think it's when they brought 649 00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:00,480 it back. There were some mobs that had an 650 00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:03,120 enrage. And I asked another rester 651 00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:04,560 druid. I said, I noticed that you're 652 00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:08,000 not soothing those mobs as, as a rester druid, Why? 653 00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:11,000 Why are you not soothing them at this point? 654 00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:13,640 1% key level? Like wouldn't when they leap at 655 00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:17,080 you, they're in rage. That leap is going to do a ton 656 00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:19,760 of damage. And at the at the time this 657 00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:23,120 person said, well, if it's just not worth the the GCD, you know, 658 00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:25,600 we have these triants. You can drop a triant, go back 659 00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:27,600 into melee. The triant will and this 660 00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:30,000 involves a little bit of tech, but the mobs would jump to the 661 00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:33,600 triant that you dropped outside of melee instead of at the 662 00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:35,160 players. So that frees up, you know, you 663 00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:37,760 don't have to use a GCD soothing all these different mobs. 664 00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:42,600 And there were things like that, just little things like that. 665 00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:46,000 I remember something else. I, I don't know if I had 666 00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:48,520 mentioned this in season 4 of Dragonfly. 667 00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:50,520 It was, it was very last season of that expansion. 668 00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:56,800 I participated in team, Team Liquid E sports organization. 669 00:35:56,800 --> 00:36:02,120 They offered a mythic plus tournament for marginalized 670 00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:04,960 genders. And I, my team came in second 671 00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:08,360 place in that tournament, which was super, super exciting. 672 00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:13,200 But I remember spending weeks and weeks and weeks and weeks 673 00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:17,120 training, training like like this is football practicing, 674 00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:19,480 practicing these key levels. Because of the time the the 675 00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:23,040 tournament realm was open, the Blizzard had, I think it must 676 00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:25,640 have been MDI that maybe was, was coming up soon. 677 00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:28,800 And even if we weren't participating MDI, we were able 678 00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:31,120 to log on to the the tournament realm. 679 00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:34,280 So you get to create your key level, you get to decide the 680 00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:36,160 affix you want to practice and all this stuff. 681 00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:39,400 I would do that. And and we were practicing Ruby 682 00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:41,600 life pulls. So here's another example and 683 00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:43,920 Ruby life pulls. I believe it was an 18 or a 19 684 00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:48,400 that we were practicing and that season nineteens and some 20s, 685 00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:50,440 if I remember correctly, were title range. 686 00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:53,240 So it was a really high key. The damage was really high. 687 00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:59,240 And that very first boss, the boss at, Oh gosh, the very, the 688 00:36:59,240 --> 00:37:03,200 very first boss of, of Ruby life poles there, there's a cadence 689 00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:04,840 to it. It's a very like rinse and 690 00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:05,960 repeat. But you have to know how to 691 00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:08,800 handle all those mechanics because it's like 1 hard hitting 692 00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:11,080 mechanic into the next hard hitting mechanic. 693 00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:14,200 And you are going to run out of defenses if you use them, if you 694 00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:16,040 try to use them for everything back-to-back to back. 695 00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:19,480 You had to space everything out. And I was having a hard time 696 00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:25,360 healing that successfully, like consistently, you know, we would 697 00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:26,960 go and we killed that boss. Everything's great. 698 00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:29,320 The next time we practice that dungeon, oh, we all flop over. 699 00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:30,960 We have to reset the dungeon because I couldn't heal through 700 00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:32,560 it. And so I remember reaching out 701 00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:35,040 to another wrestler, Druid at the time, who on the live 702 00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:37,280 servers had already timed that key. 703 00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:40,360 And I said, hey, here's our cop. This is what we're running for 704 00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:44,120 this for this tournament. What do you do with your healing 705 00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:48,200 cooldowns and with the available externals and group defensives 706 00:37:48,240 --> 00:37:50,520 in your group? Those are the kinds of questions 707 00:37:50,720 --> 00:37:55,200 that if someone is looking to get into higher keys, Those are 708 00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:57,680 the questions I think you should be asking if you see that there 709 00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:01,280 is a pain point in either a particular dungeon or a 710 00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:06,960 particular fight or a particular trash pole in a dungeon talking 711 00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:09,760 to other people because they basically sent me at the time it 712 00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:12,880 was method raid tools or Exorsus raid tools for those who used it 713 00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:17,240 back and wand Exorsus and he sent me his basically his 714 00:38:17,240 --> 00:38:19,080 cooldown list. Hey, I use convoke at this 715 00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:22,080 point. We you, you know, the warlock 716 00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:25,320 uses unending resolve for this one with the timestamps of the 717 00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:26,720 fight. It was very similar to it felt 718 00:38:26,720 --> 00:38:29,080 like rating in a way where you're mapping out this like 8 719 00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:31,880 minute fight, you know, and, and whose cooldowns are being used 720 00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:36,240 where. And obviously this level of, of, 721 00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:40,080 of detail is much different than when you're trying to go, let's 722 00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:43,560 say from like a 12 + 12 to like plus 13 or plus 14 range. 723 00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:48,120 But it's this idea that you're reaching out to other people, 724 00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:51,680 you're watching people stream. And again, long winded answer, 725 00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:55,120 but something else following this up that I that I did 'cause 726 00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:56,960 I one day I was like, who, who do I watch? 727 00:38:57,200 --> 00:38:59,840 Like, where do I find these people who are doing these keys? 728 00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:03,400 I got Larry is over there telling me to like, you know, go 729 00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:05,960 and watch another major's time or whatever class you play. 730 00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:09,960 Where do you find those people? I found them on Raider IOI just 731 00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:13,000 stumbled across this. So that season that I was like, 732 00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:14,880 oh, hey, we're pushing, we're pushing higher keys now. 733 00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:18,360 I have no idea what I'm doing. I went to Raider IO and they you 734 00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:22,160 can sort, there's a list of of players. 735 00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:25,800 Basically it's based on their score and you can organize it by 736 00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:29,000 spec and class. So obviously I went into the 737 00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:31,560 rest or Druids and I looked at the long, long list of people 738 00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:36,040 and in that long list it will you can. 739 00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:38,440 I'm trying to remember now because this is a couple years 740 00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:40,720 ago. Either in that list immediately 741 00:39:40,720 --> 00:39:44,760 it will show you if they stream, it'll have like a little icon or 742 00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:46,800 honestly, just start clicking on random names. 743 00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:48,480 Click on I I don't know. It doesn't even have to be the 744 00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:50,880 top 10 if you don't get, you know, or click on, though it 745 00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:53,040 could be halfway down the list or at the bottom part of the 746 00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:56,640 list. Click on some names, go to their 747 00:39:56,640 --> 00:40:00,320 radar IO profile and the people who link their twitch to their 748 00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:03,320 profile, you can just click on that and it'll bring you right 749 00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:05,640 to their twitch page. So again, this is a little bit 750 00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:08,080 of research. I should mention I'm also a 751 00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:10,440 librarian. I, I do a lot of information 752 00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:13,880 organization and, and maybe this is this is what gave me the 753 00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:17,080 idea, but I just remember spending an afternoon going 754 00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:20,360 through following all these different restor druids and that 755 00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:22,040 way I could get the notifications when they were 756 00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:24,040 live on twitch. Go and watch them. 757 00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:27,800 And then from there you start, you start asking them questions. 758 00:40:28,240 --> 00:40:31,600 Even if you're maybe a little trepidatious about asking the 759 00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:33,960 questions, just watching what they're doing, maybe you can 760 00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:36,800 glean something from that. And as you said, these are 761 00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:38,880 streamers. They want to interact with the 762 00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:41,880 audience. So like, they they not only 763 00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:47,280 value your question, they're almost like begging for it 764 00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:50,200 without actually asking. So like, yeah, I I do love that. 765 00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:55,560 So you've got the radar IO to find people that you can use as 766 00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:59,480 resources. And like, I also think that one 767 00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:03,240 thing to highlight from what you were saying is that like knowing 768 00:41:03,240 --> 00:41:05,920 where your pain point is and be like, OK, this is a pain point. 769 00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:09,320 So you can focus on that rather than be like, how do I deal with 770 00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:12,080 this dungeon? Which is not a good question to 771 00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:14,240 bring to anybody, let alone a streamer in the middle of 772 00:41:14,240 --> 00:41:16,120 things. Knowing like what how do you 773 00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:18,760 handle this fight? That is that's a big thing as 774 00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:19,640 well. I love that. 775 00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:25,280 Has being a librarian helped you in other things in Warcraft just 776 00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:30,440 because you brought that up? I, I think so I, I've always 777 00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:33,600 been pretty good about research and just sorting through 778 00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:35,680 information. I'm a pretty organized person to 779 00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:40,480 begin with and it's kind of why my content on, you know, on 780 00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:43,880 stream, but also the other projects that I do like I, I 781 00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:46,640 edit the, the raid guides on mythic trap, for example. 782 00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:49,280 Mythic trap is now managed by Warcraft logs. 783 00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:52,080 It was started by somebody who, and now they kind of like 784 00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:54,000 partnered up basically like Warcraft Logs took over. 785 00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:57,200 I, I, I go through and I edit those. 786 00:41:57,200 --> 00:41:59,360 So there's a guide writer I go through, I make sure everything 787 00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:03,000 is consistent, succinct, etcetera. 788 00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:06,640 I think it's helped me with that. 789 00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:09,360 It's helped me with my own content on YouTube. 790 00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:13,400 I started, I started making YouTube content originally. 791 00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:16,520 I wasn't a streamer. That was not where I started and 792 00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:22,960 it was because I was again, pre, pre mythic plus, really, I was 793 00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:26,360 a, a cutting edge Raider and at the time for a long time restor 794 00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:27,800 druid. I feel like if you count the 795 00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:30,240 seasons, like restor Druid has been meta for many, many, many 796 00:42:30,240 --> 00:42:35,680 seasons across the expansions. And at the at this time, I could 797 00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:38,120 really only find restor Druid content that was from mythic 798 00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:39,960 plus. So I was like, Oh well, OK, I'll 799 00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:42,000 just make, I'm doing all this research myself. 800 00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:45,480 Why don't I put it into a video and try to convey that 801 00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:51,640 information that way. I, I try to rephrase information 802 00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:56,280 maybe or, or kind of frame it in a way that might be a bit 803 00:42:56,760 --> 00:42:59,680 different than how it shows up in, in blue post from Blizzard 804 00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:02,360 or how it might show up in the, in a dungeon journal or things 805 00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:04,800 like that. I if, if you can't tell, I, I 806 00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:07,120 try to use a lot of anecdotes and a lot of personal 807 00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:10,600 experiences because for me personally, when I'm learning 808 00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:14,600 something, I can't just, you know, if someone, if someone 809 00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:16,920 copy paste their talent build and they go here, here you go 810 00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:20,320 Laria, take this. I take, I, I can take that 811 00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:22,960 talent build, but then I go, OK, but why do I take this? 812 00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:24,760 And what about this one? And why? 813 00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:27,120 Like why? What's the why behind that? 814 00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:30,520 So I guess to answer your question, I think not only do I 815 00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:34,200 do the research, I try to provide the answers as to why 816 00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:35,760 because I think that will help people. 817 00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:39,600 I don't know if absorb the information is the right word, 818 00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:42,360 but maybe help help it stick a little bit better. 819 00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:46,800 As a person who is very much about why being able to 820 00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:50,440 contextualize information, what is, is so important that that is 821 00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:52,920 the why. It's like, OK, I've got AB and 822 00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:54,480 C. It's like, well, why A? 823 00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:56,920 And then why B? Like, yeah. 824 00:43:57,640 --> 00:44:00,360 And then that'll help me make decisions like, oh, I've moved 825 00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:02,440 and I can't do C. It's like, should I go back to 826 00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:05,360 A? No, no, no, you do C next 827 00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:08,280 because B gave a buff towards C or something along those lines. 828 00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:11,800 And yeah, I, I do think that being able to contextualize 829 00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:13,960 information is big on everything. 830 00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:17,240 Take that for not just mythic plus or as we're saying, but 831 00:44:17,240 --> 00:44:19,640 like just in general if you want to understand your class better. 832 00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:25,440 So then along those lines, are there any pointers, let's say 833 00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:28,040 last pointers that you would give to people who are just 834 00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:31,360 trying to improve in general or specifically for improving A 835 00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:35,200 mythic plus? For healers in particular, I 836 00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:36,720 guess I'll speak to healers because that's because that's 837 00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:40,920 primarily what I play. That's what I mean, all right, 838 00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:43,160 and this is this is going to bring up a topic that I I feel 839 00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:47,120 like the the wow community in general was very split over for 840 00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:51,680 for many, many, many months. I'm going to start by saying I 841 00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:57,960 overall I am team no add-ons and I will I will link this to what 842 00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:00,680 I'm going to say in a moment about healers and and tips. 843 00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:08,040 And with that said, while I try to have AUI that doesn't use a 844 00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:11,880 ton of add-ons, there are a couple that I think are 845 00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:14,480 necessary. And I think it's having really 846 00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:16,760 good party and raid frames as a healer. 847 00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:22,960 That is really the bones that like hold holds everything else 848 00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:26,880 up as a healer, especially the higher up that you get in in key 849 00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:31,400 level, key level range. Right now, I think at the time 850 00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:36,480 of this video, the default raid frames and party frames are not 851 00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:42,320 customizable enough, or at least on, at least for restor Druids 852 00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:44,560 in particular. Restor Druids have a lot of hot 853 00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:47,480 Hots that you need to track. And then there's a way that it 854 00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:49,440 interacts with your mastery. The more Hots you have on a 855 00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:53,800 person, it, it, it works for your mastery cause the more 856 00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:56,720 healing that those Hots are going to do, the more you have 857 00:45:56,720 --> 00:45:57,880 on one person, if that makes sense. 858 00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:04,000 So exactly, yes. So it, it just gets really 859 00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:07,520 tricky for a class that can very easily have 5 Hots on one 860 00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:12,240 person. And so with that said, my 1 tip 861 00:46:12,240 --> 00:46:15,360 is to make sure that you use party frames. 862 00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:18,080 If we're talking about Mythic plus, for example, that work for 863 00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:21,560 you. I am going to shout out grid 2 864 00:46:21,720 --> 00:46:27,600 because I started using grid two last summer, summer 2025 and it 865 00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:31,480 has been incredible. It's been a super solid add on 866 00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:37,040 and I've been using it basically since I think week one or two of 867 00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:40,600 midnight. I should also say the experience 868 00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:43,680 I'm talking about is in the pre patch of of the war within 869 00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:46,680 leading up to midnight. So those those six weeks or so 870 00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:50,040 that we had, I used zero add-ons. 871 00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:53,960 I continued to to get cutting, cutting it. 872 00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:55,400 I don't know if it was cutting edge at that point. 873 00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:57,760 Mythic with mythic grade clearing the raid on mythic, 874 00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:00,680 we'll say, because it was technically pre patch with, with 875 00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:03,720 0 add-ons, just using the base raid frames and the base party 876 00:47:03,720 --> 00:47:06,520 frames for my keys every week. And so I'm kind of comparing it 877 00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:08,120 to that experience. I wanted to get enough 878 00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:10,920 experience using no add-ons that I could say, all right, this is 879 00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:13,640 working for me in the content that I do regularly. 880 00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:15,720 This is not working. And raid frames. 881 00:47:15,720 --> 00:47:17,680 That was really a like a pain point. 882 00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:23,840 I am the only healer on my raid team right now with the raid 883 00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:27,760 team that has not had any issues tracking dispels. 884 00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:31,440 I think that was a really big topic that came up in the 885 00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:35,600 community when Blizzard was posting updates about, again, I 886 00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:38,040 think leading up to the war within or midnight pre patch 887 00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:41,120 rather toward the end of that expansion when they were making 888 00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:43,800 tweaks and changes to the default UI and things like that. 889 00:47:44,720 --> 00:47:46,640 I've never had any issues with dispels. 890 00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:52,040 Grid 2 tracks it beautifully. My hots show up, there's there's 891 00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:54,800 no issue. And so I just think whether you 892 00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:57,640 use grid 2 or, or something else that works for you, I've heard 893 00:47:57,640 --> 00:47:59,120 Dander's kind of thrown around a little bit. 894 00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:01,880 If you use that, you know, it's, it's whatever you end up using. 895 00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:04,000 Just make sure that it works for you. 896 00:48:04,720 --> 00:48:08,040 You see the information that you need personally to track. 897 00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:11,840 Because I'm going to go slightly off topic again real quick that 898 00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:14,800 I'll link back. It reminds me of weak auras. 899 00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:16,360 And obviously we don't have weak auras anymore. 900 00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:19,840 But when we did, I feel like a lot, a lot of people would just 901 00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:26,040 kind of import these massive beck weak aura packs, tracking 902 00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:29,200 every every buff you could and and ability you can possibly 903 00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:31,080 imagine. And they would like plop it 904 00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:32,800 right in the middle of their screen or off to the side of the 905 00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:36,280 screen or wherever you put it. And and if that's you, totally 906 00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:39,360 fine. But when I did that, I was it 907 00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:43,520 was like information overload because I didn't need to track 908 00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:45,600 all those things. So I realized that there were 909 00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:49,360 certain buffs sold the forest, for example, as a rest or dirt. 910 00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:51,840 I want to know when I have that I need to make it super clear 911 00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:56,040 when I have that, you know, another one might be my abundant 912 00:48:56,040 --> 00:48:57,880 stacks. How many rejuice do I have out? 913 00:48:57,880 --> 00:49:00,880 What is that? You know, a caps at 12, AM I at 914 00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:03,800 8 or am I at 10? You know, what am I at 2? 915 00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:05,280 Do I need to put out more rejuice? 916 00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:07,920 So tracking those kinds of things are really helpful. 917 00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:11,200 And so I think when it comes to raid and party frames as a 918 00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:13,960 healer, just make sure that it has the information that you 919 00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:18,320 personally as a player need to track, because I don't, I don't 920 00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:21,760 think like many like what you track as let's say you're 921 00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:24,120 playing restoration, What you decide to track might be 922 00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:25,560 different than what I need to track. 923 00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:28,120 And I might track something that you're like, oh, what, why does 924 00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:30,480 Larry need to track that? I know all the time when I have 925 00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:32,880 that, you know, I think we just our attention is a little bit, 926 00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:37,480 we everybody plays differently and we're able to keep track of 927 00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:39,120 different things. Again, it's all it all comes 928 00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:41,880 down to information organization, I think, but 929 00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:45,040 that's the biggest thing. No matter what your stance is on 930 00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:47,280 the add-ons, whether you're like, Nope, I want an add-ons 931 00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:49,280 free UI. I think that's great. 932 00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:52,480 But really as a healer, it comes down to having really, really 933 00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:55,520 good party frames. You calling it out as a 934 00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:59,040 customization thing is big because of like the difference 935 00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:02,000 between how you would play as a rest of Druid versus anybody 936 00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:04,600 else in that same spec and dungeon and so forth. 937 00:50:04,720 --> 00:50:09,040 That's a big thing if people want to find like your work and 938 00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:11,640 what what you do, where can we find you around the Internet? 939 00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:16,260 I am primarily on Twitch. I I guess you'd call me a part 940 00:50:16,260 --> 00:50:17,960 time streamer. I, I stream two to three days a 941 00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:21,680 week, usually in the evenings Eastern Time zone, although 942 00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:23,360 occasionally you'll see me on the weekends. 943 00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:27,400 I what I've started doing over the last few months is leaning 944 00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:32,520 more into a more general informational content on YouTube 945 00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:36,000 where it's not only healing content, but it's just 946 00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:40,040 information in general, whether that is summing up blue posts 947 00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:42,560 or, you know, housing content, what's changing and things like 948 00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:45,120 that. Just trying to share information 949 00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:48,120 with the community, but framing it in a little bit of a 950 00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:51,080 different way so that it's more either more accessible or, you 951 00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:54,280 know, whatever it might be. And then I'm also on socials. 952 00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:58,280 I try really hard to post different forms of content that 953 00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:01,240 is not just like taking clips and just posting, you know, 954 00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:03,400 because people who see stream, yeah, while they might want to 955 00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:06,000 re, I don't know, revisit maybe some funny moments. 956 00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:10,840 I try to make sure that each of my platforms has its own content 957 00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:14,120 in a way. So primarily Twitch, but I'm 958 00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:19,080 also elsewhere. I'm really glad that we got to 959 00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:21,920 you get some of the information that you're putting out over 960 00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:23,920 here. Of course, I've been in a few of 961 00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:27,320 your streams. I think I really I followed you 962 00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:29,680 on Instagram. I'm not sure the fit of the day 963 00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:32,040 is exactly helping me, but it looks amazing. 964 00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:35,360 So thank you for that. But again, thank you for coming 965 00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:38,120 on the show today. And until next time guys, may 966 00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:39,120 all your hits be good.