1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,760 I play with an elemental shaman every single day. 2 00:00:03,960 --> 00:00:06,840 He literally does less damage than I do if he's not in 3 00:00:06,840 --> 00:00:09,320 ascendance like it is. It's not a joke, it's not a 4 00:00:09,320 --> 00:00:11,360 meme. He does less than tank damage 5 00:00:11,960 --> 00:00:13,320 when he's not in his cooldown window. 6 00:00:13,840 --> 00:00:17,480 Victory for the Forsaken. For Lauderon. 7 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:20,440 For the Karen tour. For. 8 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:25,480 Pandaria. For calendar to the. 9 00:00:26,280 --> 00:00:33,600 Burning region for Gilnaeus but has not died, for the Lich King, 10 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:41,600 for the Sindori, for the Alliance, for the Horde, for 11 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:46,600 Azeroth. Hello and welcome to a new 12 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:51,160 episode of For Azeroth. I am your host Manny, AKA The 13 00:00:51,160 --> 00:00:55,520 Treatment Manny, and I am joined by the wonderful, the lovely, 14 00:00:55,720 --> 00:00:59,240 the Lex Rants. Hello Lex, how are you and how's 15 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:00,640 the World of Warcraft been treating you? 16 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:04,160 I am great, Manny. I just came back from the 17 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:06,160 Renfair. Well, not I didn't just come 18 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:07,560 back, but it's the Renfair yesterday. 19 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:10,760 So I'm feeling very inspired. I'm convinced that this fall is 20 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:13,000 going to be a Cape with fall. I think that's universal. 21 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:15,280 I think this is just the vibe of the fall for us all. 22 00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:18,800 So go buy your Cape. Let's this is a a trend a a 23 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:21,920 trend prediction. A trend prediction is what I'm 24 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:23,240 doing. I'm very good at fashion. 25 00:01:24,240 --> 00:01:26,960 So I'm I'm feeling hyped up, I'm feeling nerdy, I'm feeling good. 26 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:29,640 And then after that, I wanted to do some mythic plus with my 27 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:31,920 friends and I'm probably doing some mythic mythic plus again 28 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:34,080 tonight. So apparently I heal mythic plus 29 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:36,280 now, so that's cool. We ball. 30 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:39,440 We did not get lowered down, but we got pretty consistently into 31 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:41,560 phase 3. So it's just going to be, you 32 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:43,160 know, we're just working on getting a couple more item 33 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:46,000 levels and, and, and ready to go and we should knock on a lot of 34 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:50,440 wood, be good to go next week. I feel horrible I jinxed it. 35 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:54,000 I thought you were just talking about the one boss and then I 36 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:59,280 just no AOTC you. Guaranteed that fast devil heard 37 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:01,200 and it's like absolutely no AOTC for them. 38 00:02:02,680 --> 00:02:05,080 Secret, very localized stealth buffs. 39 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:10,880 But we are not alone. We have, of course, the 40 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:14,880 currently silent but spectacular Sean. 41 00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:17,800 Hello Sean, how are you and how's World of Warcraft treating 42 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:19,320 you? Hello, Manny. 43 00:02:19,320 --> 00:02:21,400 Hello, Lex. I'm doing well. 44 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:23,920 Life's kind of a whirlwind right now. 45 00:02:23,920 --> 00:02:28,600 We have home inspections coming up on Thursday for a place we 46 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:31,600 put an offer in on Prince Edward's Island. 47 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:38,040 And yeah, so that's happening. Warcraft has been good. 48 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:41,680 Turbulent time waves launches tomorrow as of this recording, 49 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:43,840 so I'm ready to hit the ground running in maxo. 50 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:46,160 The rest of my characters, probably just the tanks. 51 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:48,040 Maybe a healer. I was going to do this weird 52 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:49,560 healer challenge thing. I don't know if it's going to 53 00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:53,520 happen now, but yeah Lex if you need a tank tonight for mythic 54 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:55,520 plus, I got nothing going on so hit me up. 55 00:02:55,520 --> 00:02:57,080 I will happily come tank some keys for you. 56 00:02:57,600 --> 00:02:59,680 I got lots of characters from Chris still but. 57 00:02:59,960 --> 00:03:03,800 We we do unfortunately have if nothing a a a dearth of tank or 58 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:07,960 would I I might have mixed that mixed that we have too many. 59 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:11,400 Yeah, we have an overwhelm. Abundance. 60 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:14,040 An abundance of tanks. We are the one group I've ever 61 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:16,920 run with where occasionally we'll have to like split groups 62 00:03:16,920 --> 00:03:18,960 and everyone will have to pug, or like one group will have to 63 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:21,880 pug a ton of DPS because we cannot get enough to, we can't 64 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:24,200 get enough DPS and we have too many tanks on heels. 65 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:26,640 I mean, Sean, how's your mage doing? 66 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:32,840 Yeah, yeah. Wait, you were like best friends 67 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:33,960 with the mage and then he? Laughed. 68 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:35,760 I feel like this is one of the Sean fads. 69 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:39,000 They last about two hours after the recording, just long enough 70 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:41,920 for him to say he's in. It was fun, I enjoyed it. 71 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:46,360 I I really just want to tank, you know, I'm going to try 72 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:48,880 Warlock out on EU. We'll see how that goes. 73 00:03:49,320 --> 00:03:51,320 I really just want to tank. It's just. 74 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:53,600 It's your group. You know, yeah, it's my 75 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:55,040 preference, right? It's what I want to do. 76 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:57,160 But other than that, it's warm here today, so I don't have any 77 00:03:57,160 --> 00:03:58,920 pants on. So don't ask me to stand up 78 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:01,120 because that would be super embarrassing. 79 00:04:01,760 --> 00:04:04,600 OK, well we'll never talk about your pants again, Sean. 80 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:12,200 Let us move on. We started last episode and got 81 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:17,959 through about half of everything coming in 12.1, and so we're 82 00:04:17,959 --> 00:04:21,600 going to talk about the rest of it as well as going a little bit 83 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:25,680 more in depth on some of the other stuff that we've now had 84 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:29,960 some time to test. So one of the things that we 85 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:33,240 didn't get to talk about and finally got some time on the PTR 86 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:39,240 and got to test this is that there are absolute abundance of 87 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:46,600 class changes, which includes a big change to just how they want 88 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:48,680 to approach some damage profiles. 89 00:04:49,080 --> 00:04:53,640 For those of you who maybe were living and dying by your 90 00:04:53,640 --> 00:05:01,800 cooldowns Shaman, they are aware that many classes were having 91 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:05,640 most of their power in those short windows of cooldowns. 92 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:10,360 And so outside of those windows, your class would feel sluggish. 93 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:13,360 They said you would feel somewhat underpowered. 94 00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:18,760 And in terms of damage profiles, burst damage, if you do the same 95 00:05:18,760 --> 00:05:21,520 amount of damage flat or if you do the same amount of damage, 96 00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:26,160 burst, burst damage typically affords you more possibility. 97 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:28,680 Like you, you do your burst window, you do your damage. 98 00:05:28,840 --> 00:05:31,320 If you get pushed off the boss outside of that window, it 99 00:05:31,320 --> 00:05:33,880 doesn't hurt you as much as if you were trying to sustain 100 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:36,200 damage, But it's not what they want. 101 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:41,680 So they are taking the axe to many of these cooldowns and 102 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:46,160 adjusting the things so that you do more damage outside of your 103 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:50,360 windows. Now this is true for many 104 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:53,880 classes. We have seen this for the demon 105 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:56,400 hunters. The rather devourer demon 106 00:05:56,400 --> 00:05:58,840 hunters are getting some adjustments there. 107 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:02,960 I already said elemental shamans, even if you weren't 108 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:06,520 like the most bursty, they have adjusted a number of classes all 109 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:10,640 the way through. In general, though, Lex, has 110 00:06:10,640 --> 00:06:14,480 this been something that like your team has noticed or 111 00:06:14,480 --> 00:06:18,240 complained about or is this sort of like, oh, I like it was just 112 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:21,720 gameplay for it at your with your team? 113 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:25,200 Sorry, I got really distracted 'cause I read the preset bonus 114 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:27,080 for the first time and I was trying to figure out whether or 115 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:31,400 not I ever cast the spell renew. So anyway, we'll talk about that 116 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:34,360 in a second because I'm confused, but that's OK. 117 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:40,320 That's it's definitely not saying we like talked about per 118 00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:42,200 SE. Demon Hunter is always super 119 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:45,040 bursty. So like that's the only thing 120 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:47,360 that I really played enough to think deeply about it. 121 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:50,800 And I kind of just I get a little surprised when I learned 122 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:53,400 that other people don't just like press 2 buttons on repeat 123 00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:55,840 until it's time to boom and then you boom and then you press 2 124 00:06:55,840 --> 00:06:57,640 buttons on repeat. Have a good day. 125 00:06:58,880 --> 00:07:01,120 So which I enjoy. So you know, I'm not, I have 126 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:03,800 nothing to complain about. I and I'm sure again, we'll talk 127 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:06,880 about this in a second. I honestly kind of wish that the 128 00:07:06,920 --> 00:07:12,560 tear set was just like it makes your core rotation stronger. 129 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:18,640 I think that's fine in general, because what I'm, and again, 130 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:20,640 I'll complain about this in a second, but what I'm seeing in 131 00:07:20,640 --> 00:07:25,680 in both of the set bonuses that I know anything about, is it it 132 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:30,400 it changes the way you play in ways that people don't often 133 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:33,040 play or there's I I'm really confused about this holy priest 134 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:33,720 set bonus. You guys. 135 00:07:33,760 --> 00:07:35,200 I'm clearly not a good holy priest. 136 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:40,480 Because what the hell. But I and and it always feels a 137 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:43,720 little bad when you get like kind of strong armed into 138 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:45,320 spacking into something you don't want to spack into. 139 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:49,120 I feel this is apotheosis. I learned holy priest as a holy 140 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:52,160 word, serenity girly and to the fact that I'm now spacking into 141 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:55,080 apotheosis, which is not like I just don't I don't want to spack 142 00:07:55,120 --> 00:07:58,120 into apotheosis. I don't OK, like whatever, I'll 143 00:07:58,120 --> 00:08:00,560 do it right. You have to basically, but 144 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:05,040 whatever. So I think the when the 145 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:10,720 personally, I feel like when the the set forces you into a a 146 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:13,320 certain talent tree, that can be a little annoying. 147 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:16,040 And I think that often is what they do, which maybe means it's 148 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:17,360 the point. Maybe that's what they want if 149 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:19,560 they want to be affecting the rotation, but I think it's 150 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:22,080 silly. Yeah, definitely. 151 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:28,840 They do want the set bonuses to be affecting rotation to make 152 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:30,920 you consider things that you maybe you hadn't before. 153 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:36,080 One of the goals for the set bonuses themselves were was 154 00:08:36,080 --> 00:08:40,480 specifically that they didn't want to reintroduce burst back 155 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:44,800 in after them trying to reduce the burst in this season. 156 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:48,720 So a lot of these set bonuses you'll see will be after your 157 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:53,040 cooldown expires, you'll get a bonus or things that will adjust 158 00:08:53,040 --> 00:08:57,360 like base level abilities that aren't part of the big button 159 00:08:57,360 --> 00:09:00,520 that you'll you'll press so that you'll they're again putting 160 00:09:00,520 --> 00:09:02,360 that damage outside of the cooldown windows. 161 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:09,400 Now, Sean, going over to you, tank bonuses are a different 162 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:13,240 thing, but tank rotation I don't think has been really that 163 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:15,360 bursty. So I'm going to lean on, I guess 164 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:20,080 the your experience with your team and with your mage. 165 00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:23,360 What do you think about burst versus not burst? 166 00:09:24,160 --> 00:09:29,200 That's a great question and I I think my answers probably going 167 00:09:29,200 --> 00:09:32,960 to be unpopular with a lot of people, but I believe it to be 168 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:37,880 true in much the same way that I believe a lot of these changes 169 00:09:37,880 --> 00:09:42,120 are designed to make the game more accessible. 170 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:45,240 So right now, if you have a class that is heavily reliant on 171 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:49,440 its burst window, elemental shaman, unholy death night, they 172 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:53,080 look great when they're in that window and they have the full 173 00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:55,920 time to do the rotation before the mobs die. 174 00:09:56,320 --> 00:09:58,440 And they do. There's the proper amount of 175 00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:01,080 mobs pulled for that rotation. Or if it's overrated, it's a 176 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:04,840 single boss and they execute that rotation correctly. 177 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:08,440 If any of those four things are missing, you mess up your 178 00:10:08,440 --> 00:10:11,800 rotation, you're dumpstered. It's basically a you, you, you, 179 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:13,920 you might as well write it off. You're in the, you're in the 180 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:16,800 dumpster. If the pack is dying when your 181 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:19,240 cooldowns come up, like the tanks not pulling around your 182 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:21,120 specific cooldowns, that's a problem. 183 00:10:22,760 --> 00:10:25,600 And if the enemies die ahead of time, that's a problem. 184 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:30,720 By removing the the emphasis on DPS hitting the cooling windows, 185 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:33,480 I believe yes, it does make those moments outside of those 186 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:35,840 windows feel better for classes. Elemental Shaman. 187 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:38,560 I play with an elemental shaman every single day. 188 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:42,600 He literally does less damage than I do if he's not in 189 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:45,120 ascendance like it is. It's not a joke, it's not a 190 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:47,160 meme. He does less than tank damage 191 00:10:47,720 --> 00:10:49,080 when he's not in his cooldown window. 192 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:53,120 In his cooldown windows he's a golden lightning God, but with 193 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:56,840 but without it he's not by so but by eliminating that. 194 00:10:56,840 --> 00:10:59,560 So classes like Frostmage. Frostmage doesn't really have 195 00:10:59,560 --> 00:11:01,640 cooldowns. They essentially have buttons to 196 00:11:01,640 --> 00:11:04,560 press every 30 seconds because of the Cdr they get from other 197 00:11:04,560 --> 00:11:06,840 talents. That gives them a very flat 198 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:11,400 damage curve, which means a mistake isn't as big a deal. 199 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:15,280 Having a tank not pull around specific 2 minute cooldowns or 200 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:17,680 minute and a half cooldowns isn't as big a deal because they 201 00:11:17,680 --> 00:11:21,640 always have buttons to press. This change will be good for 202 00:11:21,640 --> 00:11:25,000 those players who a don't perfectly execute a rotation 203 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:27,600 because now it'll be less punishing on them when they do. 204 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:31,160 People who pug into groups and don't always know what packs the 205 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:34,160 tank is going to pull and when, which is anybody who pugs. 206 00:11:34,680 --> 00:11:40,800 And I think it'll be it'll overall make the, the mythic 207 00:11:40,800 --> 00:11:44,440 plus, like the LFG mythic plus world more accessible in an 208 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:47,680 easier time and people will succeed in more keys because 209 00:11:47,680 --> 00:11:51,160 there will be less swings for failure based on any of those 210 00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:53,480 factors. So I, I think ultimately it's a 211 00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:55,800 good thing. Now you're going to have people 212 00:11:56,320 --> 00:11:59,360 say this is awful. Where's my skill expression? 213 00:11:59,680 --> 00:12:02,960 I want those big damage numbers. I can play well, my tank pulls 214 00:12:02,960 --> 00:12:07,920 around this, and for those individuals it might feel worse, 215 00:12:07,920 --> 00:12:10,640 but this is better for the health of the game overall 216 00:12:10,760 --> 00:12:15,640 because I would argue to say 95% of the population isn't properly 217 00:12:15,640 --> 00:12:18,440 executing their rotation inside their cooldowns every time they 218 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:21,400 press those buttons. I would say 100% of the 219 00:12:21,400 --> 00:12:26,320 population don't hit everything right 100% of the time. 220 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:32,320 But like I playing as an elemental shaman, whatever dumps 221 00:12:32,320 --> 00:12:36,960 their tear you want to put me into Like you will have those 222 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:41,720 big burst windows which are three minutes without without a 223 00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:44,680 talent. You have the talent so that you 224 00:12:44,680 --> 00:12:50,640 get that 2 minute burst and caused one spec that like more 225 00:12:50,720 --> 00:12:53,880 that worked better with that cooldown run hero talent that 226 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:56,680 worked better with that cooldown to basically dominate the other 227 00:12:56,680 --> 00:12:59,400 one that didn't quite work with that as well. 228 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:02,720 That shift. Maybe we see the return of 229 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:05,280 Farseer. That would allow some people who 230 00:13:05,640 --> 00:13:11,280 like Farseer versus versus the Stormbringer to like get back 231 00:13:11,280 --> 00:13:15,920 into elemental. But also it means that like some 232 00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:19,040 of the weird complexities go away. 233 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:23,160 Pulling Maelstrom for the next pole so that you get to use your 234 00:13:23,160 --> 00:13:26,320 spenders early so that you can get your rotation moving is a 235 00:13:26,400 --> 00:13:31,080 big thing because like without your ascendants, you are very 236 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:34,800 dry resource dry for for certain pools. 237 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:40,840 Being able to like, like you said, not have to worry about 238 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:44,800 like, oh geez, I guess I have to be garbage for this pack because 239 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:51,000 the big pool is coming up is is a big thing and like when to 240 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:53,760 start saving your cooldowns, when to start pulling your mana. 241 00:13:53,760 --> 00:13:57,320 Yeah, those are those are skill expression stuff. 242 00:13:57,760 --> 00:14:03,280 But those things still exist even when your cooldown isn't 243 00:14:03,680 --> 00:14:08,720 90% of your damage. If it's just like a 30% boost 244 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:11,800 and they shift, they shift certain things so that you don't 245 00:14:11,800 --> 00:14:14,520 have to lot line up everything into that one window. 246 00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:17,880 Like then you can make a decision like, hey, is it better 247 00:14:17,880 --> 00:14:21,680 to like split this up a bit? Like, as it stands right now, it 248 00:14:21,680 --> 00:14:28,760 is live for 15 seconds every two minutes and then hope that Sean 249 00:14:28,760 --> 00:14:32,680 doesn't bitch about your interrupts in the meantime. 250 00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:34,760 That's it. That's right. 251 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:37,560 You'd think you would at least interrupt in that 2 minutes and 252 00:14:37,560 --> 00:14:39,720 45 seconds when you're doing no damage, no? 253 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:43,320 No like I got a pool mails from for the next. 254 00:14:45,680 --> 00:14:47,800 Poor Lex over here having to heal through all these bolt 255 00:14:47,800 --> 00:14:52,000 casts. But it's OK because my taste is 256 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:55,160 going to increase a little. My worst fat. 257 00:14:56,680 --> 00:15:01,640 But yeah, there are of course these tear sets that were also 258 00:15:01,640 --> 00:15:04,320 introduced. Again, like I said before, the 259 00:15:04,320 --> 00:15:08,800 tear sets are set up in a way so that they are not putting that 260 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:12,760 burst damage back into into cool downs. 261 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:16,920 They are things that will say that like after you use a cool 262 00:15:16,920 --> 00:15:20,840 down, you will get a buff that will help you you outside of 263 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:23,040 that cooldown, maybe get you back into that cooldown. 264 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:28,800 We've seen things like this before Enhancement Shaw back at 265 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:35,000 the Galaggio, the liberation of undermine had a had one that it 266 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:39,280 extended or overlapped your your cool down to make you get a 267 00:15:39,400 --> 00:15:44,480 generally flat damage profile. But you would have spiked 268 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:47,160 because certain times you get more overlaps, you'd get those 269 00:15:47,160 --> 00:15:48,640 bursts and you have to react to those windows. 270 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:51,640 So there's many different ways that they can they go about 271 00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:55,480 this. Of course, some of this might be 272 00:15:55,480 --> 00:15:59,840 a little hard for people who don't have the exact knowledge 273 00:15:59,840 --> 00:16:02,520 of like what their spec does. But of course, Bill guide 274 00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:06,200 writers will come out and tell you how this all works going 275 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:11,600 from our current tier into our into the next tier. 276 00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:17,040 How are you guys feeling in terms of like your spec for, I 277 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:20,120 guess protection warrior Sean, how are you feeling? 278 00:16:21,640 --> 00:16:23,680 I feel pretty good. I mean, part warrior is is 279 00:16:23,680 --> 00:16:27,160 steady, right? It's, it's, it, it require an 280 00:16:27,160 --> 00:16:29,560 act of God, I think for prot Warrior not to feel the way prot 281 00:16:29,560 --> 00:16:31,720 warrior has felt since like, I don't know, BFA. 282 00:16:33,160 --> 00:16:35,800 It just feels steady. It's, there's not many changes 283 00:16:35,800 --> 00:16:37,880 coming for prot Warrior. We might play Colossus instead 284 00:16:37,880 --> 00:16:39,840 of mountain thing. That's the biggest change. 285 00:16:39,840 --> 00:16:44,080 So we're all gonna be 5% bigger. But yeah, it feels pretty good. 286 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:47,240 The set bonuses for, for, I mean, I looked at a few of the 287 00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:49,200 tanks, the ones that I know well, prot warrior, prot 288 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:53,000 Paladin, guardian Druid, and they're not like super 289 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:54,480 impactful. They're not changing my rotation 290 00:16:54,480 --> 00:16:57,080 like Prot warriors. Revenges increases the damage of 291 00:16:57,080 --> 00:16:58,520 shield slam. Well I'm already shield slamming 292 00:16:58,520 --> 00:17:01,080 on cooldown so it's not like it's increasing a button I was 293 00:17:01,240 --> 00:17:03,800 rarely pressing. Like I literally spam shield 294 00:17:03,800 --> 00:17:08,079 slam so their set bonuses aren't as impactful. 295 00:17:08,319 --> 00:17:10,200 They don't really change the rotation in any way. 296 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:14,359 Even guardian druid it's you know thrash can spawn thorns. 297 00:17:14,359 --> 00:17:17,119 Well I'm already thrashing. The only change there is mango 298 00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:20,240 can proc extra damage. So now I might press mango as 299 00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:22,440 opposed to never pressing it. Well, I definitely will because 300 00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:23,520 they're changing lunar beam anyway. 301 00:17:24,599 --> 00:17:26,520 Yeah, it feels, they feel fine. Thanks. 302 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:29,080 I think tanks it's been it's been a while since tanks have 303 00:17:29,080 --> 00:17:32,560 had like a big major rework and I'm OK with it. 304 00:17:32,560 --> 00:17:36,520 I like comfy. We are an expansion away from 305 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:40,000 when they were like shifting threat issues again, going right 306 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:45,440 back to liberation of undermine. There were some threat issues 307 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:49,320 there. Do you find that, like with this 308 00:17:49,520 --> 00:17:53,720 damage focus instead of survivability focus buffs, that 309 00:17:53,720 --> 00:17:56,440 they're doing that the threat's going to be fine? 310 00:17:56,520 --> 00:17:58,680 Do you feel like threat was going to be fine anyways? 311 00:17:59,120 --> 00:18:01,760 I think it was the 90% increase threat modifier they gave us 312 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:03,440 that. Probably the threat was going to 313 00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:06,280 be fine anyways. Yeah, yeah, I am glad. 314 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:09,640 Now don't get me wrong, I 100% Fasdev if you're listening 100% 315 00:18:09,640 --> 00:18:11,200 of the time. Every tank that I know, every 316 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:16,120 single tank that I know. If our tier sets are proc based 317 00:18:16,120 --> 00:18:19,160 things, we will always want that to be damaged. 318 00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:25,560 No tank that is worth their weight in salt wants unreliable 319 00:18:25,560 --> 00:18:29,200 RNG based defensive procs. We want to be able to plan our 320 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:32,040 defensives, control our defensives, and know when we 321 00:18:32,040 --> 00:18:35,640 have defensives. A random proc of shield wall 322 00:18:36,560 --> 00:18:38,760 might as well be like, it could happen at the end of a path like 323 00:18:38,760 --> 00:18:42,440 those are so awful. So that it's a, it has been a 324 00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:45,120 switch over to to damage procs and damage things. 325 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:47,600 And that's great. And that's, I think all tanks 326 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:50,160 would prefer that. If obviously there's going to be 327 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:52,000 a tank who's going to listen to this and be like, no, I like 328 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:53,920 random shield wall procs 'cause I think they're great. 329 00:18:54,040 --> 00:18:56,720 That tank's probably a bad tank. So if you're writing that, I 330 00:18:56,720 --> 00:18:58,720 just want you to know I think you're probably a bad tank, but 331 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:00,400 that's OK. You could be bad tanks. 332 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:02,080 I'm a bad DPS. So what happens? 333 00:19:03,120 --> 00:19:03,960 OK. All right. 334 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:09,600 Lex, you were talking about some confusion with your tier set, so 335 00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:12,280 maybe we go a little bit more into the weeds with this. 336 00:19:12,280 --> 00:19:15,200 What? What exactly is this the tier 337 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:19,680 bonuses that you're getting? So for wholly, the two set bonus 338 00:19:19,680 --> 00:19:22,880 is every target, like every person affected by my renew is 339 00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:25,480 going to increase my haste by 2% up to 6%. 340 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:28,760 And the four set bonus is renew healing is going to be increased 341 00:19:28,760 --> 00:19:32,800 by 10% and lights resurgence now has a 100% chance to leave a 342 00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:35,080 renew on the first target. Prayer of bending heels. 343 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:38,400 I'm feeling very validated because when I was supposed to 344 00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:40,480 be paying attention to this podcast, I was instead reading 345 00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:42,280 forum comments and everyone. Agrees. 346 00:19:42,280 --> 00:19:45,680 This makes no. Sense first of all, haste is the 347 00:19:45,800 --> 00:19:49,320 like bottom of our staff priority, like for a holy 348 00:19:49,320 --> 00:19:53,280 priest, almost all of our like our cooldowns come up real fast, 349 00:19:53,280 --> 00:19:54,600 right? I mean then, then you know, like 350 00:19:54,600 --> 00:19:58,360 there's my general vibe, right is the word. 351 00:19:58,360 --> 00:20:01,160 We're essentially either like instant cast, like our flash 352 00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:02,760 heel. We have the two. 353 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:06,320 I think that's I know the picture, the little blue hand, 354 00:20:06,520 --> 00:20:10,320 the little blue hand. We have two stacks of those and 355 00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:12,960 that comes up relatively quick, I guess, I guess, yeah, that 356 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:14,680 could be renewing faster. That would be sick. 357 00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:16,920 But other than that, it's like we also have like our two-minute 358 00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:19,480 cool downs, right? So yeah, if you cut that down 359 00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:22,520 hot, but by and large, none of us care about haste. 360 00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:26,200 Haste is our dump stat. So that doesn't really help. 361 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:30,000 Also, renew is not a spell we cast, right? 362 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:33,800 It's a, it's a thing that we, it's, it's going with our holy 363 00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:34,960 word. It's going with other things, 364 00:20:35,120 --> 00:20:37,280 which is why I got really confused when I read this 365 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:39,760 because I legitimately thought like, I, I, I knew that renew 366 00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:42,680 would sometimes show up on people, but like, I don't really 367 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:44,360 know why, right? It's just, it's, oh, and 368 00:20:44,360 --> 00:20:45,800 suddenly it's a little green. Cool. 369 00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:49,160 Sick. So this isn't really a thing. 370 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:51,840 I mean, yeah, I guess that maybe would make me pay more attention 371 00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:54,360 to the spells that make me cast renew. 372 00:20:54,360 --> 00:20:59,640 But like, they're also assuming I'm remembering which spell is 373 00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:02,080 which. Yeah, the, the spell that puts 374 00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:05,720 the renew on people is one of the two little blue hands. 375 00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:10,080 That's name I can't remember. So like I'm using those 376 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:11,920 essentially I'm cool down anyway, right? 377 00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:13,880 Like I'm at least making sure I'm not over capping it. 378 00:21:14,120 --> 00:21:17,880 So this doesn't really feel like much and what it's giving 379 00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:21,600 doesn't really benefit me. And I mean, also, I guess I 380 00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:25,280 don't really feel like like as a holy priest overall, healing 381 00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:29,360 through renew isn't really helpful because if I'm going to 382 00:21:29,360 --> 00:21:32,920 be healing people, I'm just gonna be like bumping them up, 383 00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:33,960 right? Like that's kind of how holy 384 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:35,800 priest goes. We're not a, you know, put your 385 00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:39,280 hots on people and call it a day, right? 386 00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:41,000 If I see someone injured, I'm going to make them uninjured. 387 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:43,400 That it's my job. So I. 388 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:47,960 I, I just want to, I want to jump in a bit. 389 00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:53,960 So some of the, some of the changes, especially with like 390 00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:56,800 yours and with elemental shamans, I'm not going to give 391 00:21:56,800 --> 00:22:00,360 the details of that. Some of them you can't analyze 392 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:04,200 exactly based on where we are right now because they are 393 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:10,880 adjusting mob damage and player health in the next tier to 394 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:15,520 further adjust things so that they're not doing spike damage 395 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:22,280 and that you're you're going to have to heal to keep to top 396 00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:25,560 people off. If you're not yo yoing in 397 00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:29,760 somebody's health right back to full in a single button press, a 398 00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:35,880 short burst window of of haste to allow you to do that triage 399 00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:39,320 faster can be useful in that moment. 400 00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:44,560 Healers in general typically don't like specking haste. 401 00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:47,600 You don't want to be casting your spells faster. 402 00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:52,400 Normally you want your heels to be more potent when you do cast 403 00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:59,120 them, but in a period of the damage, being able to like get a 404 00:22:59,120 --> 00:23:04,760 short window of haste so that you can hit the people the heels 405 00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:10,360 faster and that your heart will take those people up faster can 406 00:23:10,360 --> 00:23:14,080 be beneficial. It could I mean, I guess I'm 407 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:17,480 maybe I'm I'm not being honest with my own play style, because 408 00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:19,880 if the two that are giving me renew are gonna be prayer of 409 00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:22,640 mending, which is like I don't, I don't even look when I'm 410 00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:24,520 casting prayer of mending, right, like that is just 411 00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:26,800 wherever my mouse happens to be. When I get the Ding, the prayer 412 00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:28,680 of mending is up. They get prayer of mending 413 00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:29,440 right. It's gonna jump around, 414 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:32,520 especially in raids or like any time that like like it's gonna 415 00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:34,120 jump around. It doesn't matter, right. 416 00:23:34,120 --> 00:23:35,840 So I'm not paying any attention to that. 417 00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:41,600 And holy word, Serenity Blue hand, is that OK? 418 00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:43,360 That actually is a little bit more of a fairpoint, right? 419 00:23:43,360 --> 00:23:48,000 If that's putting a little bit of renew on people and also 420 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:50,600 increasing my haste, that is closer to an emergency heel 421 00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:51,760 since it is a pretty chunky heel. 422 00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:54,840 So that is an argument I would buy. 423 00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:59,720 I don't know that I love tying it to a thing that's like 2 424 00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:02,800 steps removed from my actual, I guess one step removed from my 425 00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:06,000 actual spells, right? Like again, we don't think about 426 00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:07,760 renew. It's not like I'm like I'm 427 00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:09,400 casting this and renew will go on them. 428 00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:13,880 I had to like go back into my, you know, talent list to try to 429 00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:18,440 figure out where renew even comes from, which maybe is kind 430 00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:20,240 of the point. I mean, if they're saying if 431 00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:22,600 they're saying they want us to be interacting with them more, 432 00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:24,240 like maybe what they want is they want me to think about 433 00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:28,480 renew a little bit stronger. I don't want to, but I mean, 434 00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:30,000 whatever. I'd already just whined about 435 00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:32,840 the fact in they're making havoc demon hunters back into essence 436 00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:34,160 break. So, like, I love whining. 437 00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:36,680 Clearly. Yeah, I'm being kind of a 438 00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:38,560 negative Nancy. I'm hearing that in my voice now 439 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:44,640 that I, now that I listen, I, I, I mean, honestly, I don't think 440 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:47,360 it's going to change my holy priest play style, right? 441 00:24:47,360 --> 00:24:49,920 I, I, I think mostly it's just, I don't get it. 442 00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:51,720 I don't understand why that's what they chose to do. 443 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:53,200 And so I'm being kind of a jerk about it. 444 00:24:54,360 --> 00:24:56,400 If I'm gonna be a little a little mean, I do wanna make a, 445 00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:59,720 a, a silly little joke that it's funny that they're saying they 446 00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:01,640 don't want it to be bursty. And then Havoc, they were like, 447 00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:04,040 So what we're gonna give you is the burst damage. 448 00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:06,560 That's gonna be bigger, right? You're gonna burst so much 449 00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:08,120 harder. You can burst a little longer, 450 00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:13,000 sick, Which I'm being, I'm being kind of mean because like, yeah, 451 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:15,360 like I just said that Havoc is a really burst heavy speck. 452 00:25:15,360 --> 00:25:17,200 And I think that it's fair for us to have some burst heavy 453 00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:18,440 specks. I think it's super valid. 454 00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:19,880 I think what else are you gonna buff, right? 455 00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:21,200 And Havoc, you're gonna buff the burst. 456 00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:23,120 We are a burst class sick. We love it. 457 00:25:23,120 --> 00:25:24,600 We're all. What? 458 00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:28,760 We could buff glide. You could if you buff vengeful 459 00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:30,520 retreat and you made everyone I take it back. 460 00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:32,080 They should force you to stack into things and they should 461 00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:34,160 force everyone to stack into an inertia build and they should 462 00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:36,520 make it so that you get so much better when you do your little 463 00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:37,960 vengeful retreat and then fell rush back in. 464 00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:40,880 That is the reason I love havoc Demon Hunter and I will do it. 465 00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:42,320 I do it in mythic plus. I don't care. 466 00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:44,000 I do not care how stressed my tank is. 467 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:45,920 I don't care that I make my tanks pull the entire pack. 468 00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:52,280 It's so fun I I miss havoc A. Little I I also I also kinda 469 00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:58,240 like your priest set bonus because it has a little bit of 470 00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:00,880 versatility. Like yes, when you're doing that 471 00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:04,960 healing, the haste may not be the top thing on your mind and 472 00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:09,000 putting that renew is something that you have to look at, but 473 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:11,640 that haste can then turn into like faster smites. 474 00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:14,080 You're like, OK, let me make sure that I'm keeping like the 475 00:26:14,360 --> 00:26:16,400 the renews on three people. And then I'm just going to like 476 00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:17,680 smite, smite, smite, smite, smite. 477 00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:20,560 OK crap, I got to go back to healing so that like. 478 00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:25,360 Taste like. It's only 6%, it's 2% per renew 479 00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:29,400 and then when you have 3 renews it caps out at the 6% paste 480 00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:32,080 bonus that you're getting. So it's not I. 481 00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:35,240 Don't think anybody's even going to feel that difference in 482 00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:37,680 casts. I don't that takes a 2 second 483 00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:41,120 cast to a 1.9 second cast. I guess Basically, yeah. 484 00:26:41,120 --> 00:26:42,960 It's. Like if you catch somebody about 485 00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:46,080 to drop, you'll, you'll be thankful for it, right? 486 00:26:46,120 --> 00:26:49,560 I feel like, so I mean just pretty specifically, if 487 00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:52,520 somebody's in danger like that, you have like 100 instant cast 488 00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:54,800 spells that you would send before you would think of 489 00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:56,240 casting something hard casting, right? 490 00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:58,000 What? Anyways, I don't know. 491 00:26:58,000 --> 00:26:59,520 Priests all. About does prepares our self 492 00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:02,520 heal I mean yeah we have like our guardian spirit we do like. 493 00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:04,200 What is it? Power Word. 494 00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:06,080 Serenity. Instant Cast. 495 00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:09,520 It's instant cast. Yeah, we we have very few sit 496 00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:11,880 and casts. And don't you get free casts of 497 00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:14,200 flash flash heal? Isn't it instant cast of flash 498 00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:15,280 heal? I. 499 00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:18,680 Just feel like. Yeah, I, I, this is, again, I'm 500 00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:20,120 just kind of like scrolling on the forms. 501 00:27:20,120 --> 00:27:25,000 This is very unpopular. I well, and the other thing is 502 00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:27,280 Manny's like, oh, well, you could like, you know, gain this 503 00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:28,920 system and like, here's what I need to haste. 504 00:27:29,120 --> 00:27:33,680 But both of the spells put renew on people are just like, they're 505 00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:35,680 just part of my core rotation, right? 506 00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:37,720 Like, I, I'm just gonna, I'm just gonna keep my prayer of 507 00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:39,360 ending up. I'm gonna keep my holy word 508 00:27:39,360 --> 00:27:44,200 serenity uncapped. I'm I I'm not gonna like I I I 509 00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:45,960 don't know. I again, I really just kind of 510 00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:48,560 think it's nothing right? Like I'm being a little bit like 511 00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:51,880 mean about it. I don't, I don't think it's, I 512 00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:53,720 mean. Then like that, that would be a 513 00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:55,760 complaint about the numbers itself. 514 00:27:55,920 --> 00:28:00,400 I don't think that they want you to get like 10% per person so 515 00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:03,800 that you're like constantly powered and fused with 30% 516 00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:05,640 running. Clearly that's not what they 517 00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:10,160 want, so it's got to be downwards from there. 6% seems 518 00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:15,360 like a small general boost to your throughput, both healing 519 00:28:15,360 --> 00:28:17,920 and damage, but like it could go up from there. 520 00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:22,600 Like do you do you like if it was 3% per then that caps at 99 521 00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:26,120 Percent is like more than half a A. 522 00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:29,120 Or just make it crit something they want. 523 00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:32,360 Oh yeah man, give me credit. Love that. 524 00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:37,920 I will also say, again, comparing the two that I know, 525 00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:42,520 Havoc is getting a 12% increase damage of Blade Dance, Chaos 526 00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:46,560 Strike and Essence Break, which are like the core spells, like 527 00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:49,760 I'm not tripping out Blade Dance and Chaos Strike. 528 00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:51,200 Those are just the two buttons you press, right? 529 00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:55,480 So they're just getting essentially a flat 12% buff and 530 00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:59,240 essence Brake increases like it is 2 seconds longer. 531 00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:02,200 Essence Brake is like the entrance entrance to our big 532 00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:04,480 burst damage. So we have two seconds longer of 533 00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:07,720 burst damage. We have 25% increase initial 534 00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:09,520 strike damage on top of that 12%. 535 00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:15,920 Like I guess it just actually comparing these two, it also 536 00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:19,760 just kind of feels sort of weak like the best I guess that is my 537 00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:23,000 renew healing is increased by 10% and renew healing is just 538 00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:26,080 like carry over healing. Like that's not really a like 539 00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:32,600 can help me in emergencies. You've got a thing that if you 540 00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:37,040 maintain it, you have a flat 6% buff the entirety of the time 541 00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:40,960 versus particular things that give you windows of damage, 542 00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:43,480 right. So the magnitude of a flat buff 543 00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:46,520 versus like that window is obviously going to be different, 544 00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:51,280 like elemental shamans getting 25% to its spenders. 545 00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:55,200 So like the Earth shock, the earthquake, the elemental blast, 546 00:29:55,200 --> 00:30:00,600 25% extra damage on your two set bonus, which is higher than a 547 00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:02,680 6%. But it's only when I'm playing 548 00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:06,400 those spenders. There's other complications, 549 00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:09,400 aftershocks sort of stuff that that means that number is 550 00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:10,880 different. But like, yeah, you're going to 551 00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:16,000 see things that are particular windows of time versus like a 552 00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:18,280 flat maintenance being different. 553 00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:20,400 Maybe you just don't like the flat maintenance, 'cause then 554 00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:22,000 it's like, yeah, I'm never gonna feel bad. 555 00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:25,600 Yeah, well, I I would argue the play dance and chaos striker 556 00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:29,400 flat maintenance, but no, I I hear what you're saying yeah, I 557 00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:32,800 mean like again, I just don't to be honest, though like if you 558 00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:35,480 like we're like, hey, we're actually doing a pop quiz. 559 00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:39,760 What's your tier set bonus? This tier could not tell you to 560 00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:44,600 save my damn life. So like, you know, I am I really 561 00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:46,520 going to care about am I going to care about this in an hour? 562 00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:48,440 No, right. Like it's, it's not that big of 563 00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:51,440 a deal. I I don't think it's great, but 564 00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:53,480 I haven't run the numbers right. I don't know how it actually 565 00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:55,360 stems out. It's not going to change whether 566 00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:57,760 or not I choose to play holy priest or what, like, you know, 567 00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:02,440 whatever. I'm looking at our we have a Are 568 00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:06,880 you holy? I know you're just like I was 569 00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:09,440 trying to find, I was checking to see if it was if our priest 570 00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:12,800 was playing holy to see what percentage of her heels were 571 00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:15,000 renew, but she's playing discipline. 572 00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:20,960 Somebody said in the forums who I'm just going to trust purely, 573 00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:23,320 it's about 5 to 8% of our output. 574 00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:28,880 OK. To be fair also well, I know we 575 00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:31,240 just got a buff. I've been told holy is weak 576 00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:32,520 right now. I just play whatever I want. 577 00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:34,640 I don't play with enough people to like be able to cross 578 00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:36,800 compare. I'm assuming that the reason 579 00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:38,760 that I tend to be bottom of my healing meters is because 580 00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:40,720 everyone else has been doing it for a lot longer than me in a 581 00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:42,760 better gear. Could possible that it's you 582 00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:47,880 know, like so I my understanding is that holy kind of is hurting 583 00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:51,720 for help right now and but again, we did just get buffed or 584 00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:54,200 we are getting buffed. I don't know we do is where 585 00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:56,600 there's buffs coming or have occurred already. 586 00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:01,520 The holy priest buffs will be in existence now or potentially 587 00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:06,480 some other time, so who know? Again, I really like this is the 588 00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:11,440 longest I've ever thought about any tier set bonus in my life, 589 00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:14,200 so I'm nitpicking with numbers that I don't really know how to 590 00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:16,000 like, you know, calculate out long term. 591 00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:19,760 All right. Well sort of an aside, but a 592 00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:21,920 complication is something we were talking about last week. 593 00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:28,040 Care set bonuses in season 1 where something that people went 594 00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:31,480 super fast to get their four set. 595 00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:39,080 They would get a drop hopefully from the from the first week in 596 00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:41,000 the raid. They would pull pull one from 597 00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:44,000 their vault. People would go into LFR, they 598 00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:50,120 would get their AOTC or Keystone Master to get a charge and they 599 00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:54,040 would get their four set ASAP. But then we started talking 600 00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:56,600 about make sure you grab your bonus rolls and stuff. 601 00:32:57,280 --> 00:33:00,880 There's going to be again that math thing where it's like when 602 00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:03,360 there always is when you break your, your tear set. 603 00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:07,200 Is your, is it OK to go 2 and two or do you want to hold off 604 00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:10,360 to get the four set? There's also going to be now a 605 00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:15,920 math of how much do you delay milking those bonus rolls if the 606 00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:23,640 tear set drops and tear sets this tear wow tear sets in 12.1 607 00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:26,920 are going to be operating differently than they have in 608 00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:29,840 the past. When you get the token, you'll 609 00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:34,320 get a tier set with its bone, with its bonuses and so forth, 610 00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:37,800 and the specific secondary stats. 611 00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:42,240 If you roll a tertiary stat, so be it, but if you take a piece 612 00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:46,880 of gear and put it in the catalyst, the tier set will 613 00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:51,840 retain the secondary stats of the piece that you turned into 614 00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:58,080 into the tear. So now there might be people who 615 00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:02,840 are looking for particular pieces from that are off tear 616 00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:10,199 pieces from like mythic plus or other things, or from other 617 00:34:10,199 --> 00:34:15,719 bosses within the same raid. But if it gets from the boss in 618 00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:17,600 the raid, I don't think you can catalyze it right? 619 00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:22,000 You can catalyze, yeah, you can catalyze a ton of stuff. 620 00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:26,080 Like I think you can catalyze robots drops, yes. 621 00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:27,719 You can catalyze delve stuff. Yeah, you can. 622 00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:31,360 You 100% catalyze from RAID. OK, the raid one was the the 623 00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:34,880 only thing I was thinking about. But anyways, so there might be a 624 00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:38,280 thing where we've now got a longer tail on people getting 625 00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:43,440 their tears set where they take their token, they get their 626 00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:45,280 token to like yeah, I'm happy for that. 627 00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:50,000 Or it comes in the in the great vault. 628 00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:55,480 But then there is a actual best in slot item that is only best 629 00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:59,120 in slot when you take it, when you get it and then catalyze it. 630 00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:06,240 So we might have a longer tail on itemization for tear sets. 631 00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:11,760 Is this something that like you would be happy about or sad 632 00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:16,800 about John? I don't understand the question. 633 00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:19,800 Am I happy or sad about the stats not changing when I 634 00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:20,480 catalyst? Stats. 635 00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:22,720 The stats changing Yo you're happy about this change? 636 00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:27,040 Yeah. So it's like 5050, right? 637 00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:29,000 So I'm happy that if I have a piece that's good. 638 00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:35,320 So let's say for example, I had the plate gloves from Seat of 639 00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:38,800 the Travert that have the cantrip of extra shadow damage 640 00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:41,440 on them and I needed a piece for tear. 641 00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:43,480 I could catalyze those. They would keep their haze 1st 642 00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:45,640 and I would keep my cantrip and that's nice. 643 00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:49,440 That feels good. This will allow you to farm 644 00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:53,320 pieces out of mythic plus or the vault or through bonus rules 645 00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:57,120 that have a stat optimization that is more favorable to you so 646 00:35:57,120 --> 00:35:59,000 that you can then catalyze them and use them. 647 00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:00,560 And this doesn't work just for tier pieces. 648 00:36:00,720 --> 00:36:04,160 This is bracers, boots, belt, cloak, all of that. 649 00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:09,200 So the only problem is the way that it works now is I can 650 00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:13,120 correct stats in a bad piece. So let's say I get a a chess 651 00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:14,720 piece that's versatility of mastery. 652 00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:18,000 But my tier set chest is haste mastery and that's a better 653 00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:20,400 combo for me. I can convert it to haste 654 00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:22,960 mastery. So I lose the ability to correct 655 00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:28,360 poorly stated items, but I gain the ability to properly stat my 656 00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:30,680 tier sets. And as we know, different specs 657 00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:35,000 in different specs of each class want different stat priorities. 658 00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:38,800 Fury warriors, I think it's mastery haste, whereas arms and 659 00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:41,920 prot are crit haste. So now you're not locked into 660 00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:44,440 one set of stats for tier set. You can customize it. 661 00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:46,640 So I think that's a positive. But I do think losing the 662 00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:51,520 ability to correct bad stats on an item is is kind of a bummer, 663 00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:54,600 but there's one away the other. I think probably it makes it 664 00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:57,080 better because now if you play multiple specs, you have that 665 00:36:57,080 --> 00:37:00,080 option to do it. I don't think it's slow gearing. 666 00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:02,760 I think if anything, that tier set acquisition is going to be 667 00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:08,640 faster because the catalyst charges that you get from doing 668 00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:12,880 content this season are starting to drop from day one next 669 00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:15,240 season. So you don't have to complete 670 00:37:15,240 --> 00:37:17,680 your four set before you can start earning those catalyst 671 00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:20,280 charges. The achievement still exists 672 00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:23,600 that when you complete your four set, but it doesn't unlock the 673 00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:25,960 ability for me to drop. It increases the frequency of 674 00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:28,040 them dropping. So if you're doing a lot of 675 00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:32,360 content, which a lot of sweaty neck beards are at the beginning 676 00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:34,440 of the season, you're going to be able to get 4 piece probably 677 00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:37,600 in that first week anyway. So if you're if you're somebody 678 00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:40,680 who was getting it in week 1 or Week 2 before, you might be able 679 00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:42,160 to get it faster this time around. 680 00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:44,400 Yeah. So I think it's, I mean, the 681 00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:47,080 changes it's got a positive and a negative to it. 682 00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:49,760 I don't feel either way about it because I really only play prod. 683 00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:53,320 So I don't it'll just be nice to know that I can if let's say the 684 00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:56,400 the shoulders are, you know, crit mastery and I don't really 685 00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:58,400 care for that. I will just be able to find 686 00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:00,480 better shoulders somewhere and and convert those. 687 00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:02,760 So I think it's, I think it's, yeah, it's whatever. 688 00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:07,240 All right, Lex, you and your team are going to be concerned 689 00:38:07,240 --> 00:38:09,360 about this or just moving on with your lives. 690 00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:12,040 I think just moving on with our lives, I think everyone is 691 00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:15,960 already either like the type of pusher who's doing like high 692 00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:19,600 level stat priorities or someone like me who's like number big, 693 00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:22,080 great. OK, we're going to go with that. 694 00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:24,960 So you know, like it's not going to fundamentally it it might 695 00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:27,040 change things a little bit for me if I'm paying a little bit 696 00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:29,800 more attention to what I'm catalyzing, but realistically 697 00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:32,640 I'm going to be chasing four piece and whatever got to be 4 698 00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:33,320 piece. What I'll do. 699 00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:35,600 Although actually that is a very interesting that that is 700 00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:38,560 probably going to change the calculus of what I do catalyze. 701 00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:42,000 So yeah, and I I think it could potentially I don't think it's 702 00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:44,960 going to fundamentally change my mindset on anything too much. 703 00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:48,520 I think it's, I think it, it might mean the gearing is a 704 00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:50,720 little bit more relevant long term, which I know is one of the 705 00:38:50,720 --> 00:38:54,160 bigger fears that my, like I've, I've heard some people say about 706 00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:56,600 the bonus rules is that it makes the like gear that's being 707 00:38:56,600 --> 00:39:01,000 dropped less meaningful. But if you are doing a little 708 00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:04,480 bit more stat priority chasing, maybe that'll make it a little 709 00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:06,120 bit more meaningful to get random loot. 710 00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:09,960 But by and large, I don't I, I, I, I think it's an interesting 711 00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:11,160 choice. I'd love to have been in the 712 00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:13,960 room when they were making that decision because again, I'm I'm 713 00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:17,240 just like not 100% for why that was the call they made. 714 00:39:17,240 --> 00:39:19,160 But I don't think it's like a bad call, right? 715 00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:21,600 I'm not like unhappy that that's what they ended up deciding to 716 00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:22,920 do. I don't have strong feelings 717 00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:25,560 about it either way. Are you worried about it, Manny? 718 00:39:27,720 --> 00:39:30,480 I think that like, as Sean said, we're getting the catalyst 719 00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:34,400 charges immediately from stuff. So like it. 720 00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:38,800 I've never felt lacking for catalyst charges. 721 00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:40,640 There's been times where I've been like, oh, I better put 722 00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:42,080 something on because I've hit the cap. 723 00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:43,640 It's to be almost the opposite way. 724 00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:50,280 I just feel like I like the chase of particular gear. 725 00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:59,920 I, I feel like the, the biggest issue I'm going to have is going 726 00:39:59,920 --> 00:40:06,120 to be the something will drop in the vault that's got the exact 727 00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:09,080 right stats and then going back to that bonus rule situation 728 00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:11,600 where it's like. Oh, I wish I could freeze this 729 00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:13,480 or am I going to like delay sort of thing? 730 00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:16,720 I think it's just it's going to be that math that I was 731 00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:20,880 complaining about last week, but that's that's about it. 732 00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:25,760 Moving on from the gear and gearing woes, we've got 733 00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:29,520 something that is new integration. 734 00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:35,120 Discord is going to have an integration where you can have a 735 00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:39,040 particular Discord channel that will be integrated with your 736 00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:43,720 Guild chat if your Guild leaders decide that they're going to do 737 00:40:43,720 --> 00:40:48,320 that. So this is going to be. 738 00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:53,560 It feels like Blizzard's always just a little bit late to the 739 00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:58,120 perfect answer because like back in the day, they're like, yeah, 740 00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:01,120 we're going to have these communities and it's going to 741 00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:03,520 be, it's going to be fine and you won't need Discord. 742 00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:04,800 And it was like, you're going to need Discord. 743 00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:08,480 Everybody's using Discord. And now there's everybody 744 00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:11,480 complaining about like ID verifications and blah, blah, 745 00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:13,200 blah. And now maybe Discord's not 746 00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:15,360 going to be the thing. And here comes my, I'll be like, 747 00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:19,600 we're doing Discord integration, but ignoring all of that. 748 00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:23,640 I'd love this. I there are times where it's 749 00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:27,480 like, oh, something's happening or I'm like, maybe I'm in in 750 00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:32,120 game, or maybe I'm not in game and being able to connect with 751 00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:36,320 those people is I love it. So I'm really glad for this. 752 00:41:36,720 --> 00:41:38,720 Much better than selfie Cam. Thank you, Blizzard. 753 00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:43,360 Lex, what about you? Is this something that the 754 00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:45,200 Timbermal Tavern might take advantage of? 755 00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:47,360 Oh yeah, I think this could be incredible. 756 00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:53,040 I think we, we, we are a very like a Guild that is, is happy 757 00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:58,200 to do things as people want to do things, but we're also all, 758 00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:00,920 you know, busy. And so we're rarely like sitting 759 00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:04,800 on the game doing content waiting for people to join a 760 00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:08,080 mythic plus, right. So there's a lot of like like 761 00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:10,680 switching between like, oh, I got to go message and discord 762 00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:13,560 and then like while I'm saying, oh, we need another DPS, someone 763 00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:16,440 else comes in and I'm like, oh, wait, like it just, it's not 764 00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:18,120 that big of a deal, but it's a lot of coordination. 765 00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:21,120 And so I think if we could make it so everyone is just chatting 766 00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:23,720 in one channel and it, you know, you don't have to be online to 767 00:42:23,720 --> 00:42:25,640 see that Channel. And you also so don't have to be 768 00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:29,120 doing something off the game. Like, you know, often one person 769 00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:31,080 will be the one who's coordinating in the Discord and 770 00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:33,840 like trying to feed that back to the people who are doing stuff 771 00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:35,720 and guilt chat. And I, yeah, I think it's a big 772 00:42:35,720 --> 00:42:37,840 win. I do remember when they 773 00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:39,880 introduced communities and we were like, oh, like we were so 774 00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:42,200 excited about that. Maybe it was like me and like 775 00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:43,720 three other people. We were like, yeah, we're 776 00:42:43,720 --> 00:42:45,120 totally going to make communities happy. 777 00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:46,520 And it happened. That's going to be so great. 778 00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:48,080 It's going to be such a great way to connect. 779 00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:50,240 So, you know, rest in peace to communities. 780 00:42:51,240 --> 00:42:55,120 But yeah, no, I'm, I, I think this is going to be really good 781 00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:57,440 for us. Go Blizzard. 782 00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:02,240 Yeah, big positive, big positive. 783 00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:05,000 It's it's time, right, We need it, It's time. 784 00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:09,560 It's we're already just guilds already shifted to discord. 785 00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:12,960 The Guild chat is essentially non existent in most places. 786 00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:16,160 So any way to to tie that together is is a win. 787 00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:20,160 Yeah, I do think it is odd that they didn't tie it to 788 00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:24,200 communities because like there are definitely communities that 789 00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:26,560 I think this would be great in. Secret finders. 790 00:43:26,720 --> 00:43:29,280 If they're like in game doing something and they're like, oh, 791 00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:32,320 and it goes right into their discord, that'd be awesome. 792 00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:36,320 Though you would need to be in a Guild instead of a community 793 00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:37,960 like a. That seems odd. 794 00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:43,320 There are different key find key finding groups like the many 795 00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:46,040 that we've talked about before. Similar thing. 796 00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:49,600 Would be great to have those communities linked with their 797 00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:51,640 discord. So the fact that it isn't linked 798 00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:55,760 with community, she feels like a strange gap there. 799 00:43:56,640 --> 00:44:01,040 Oh, this does also have the weird issue where it's like 800 00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:04,520 administrator and GM LED would you mean, I guess how else would 801 00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:07,720 you do it, right? But I can't imagine a world 802 00:44:07,720 --> 00:44:13,320 where like there's bad blood and a Guild master gets removed or 803 00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:15,400 like the one person has administrator, one person has 804 00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:19,200 Guild lead, one of the two people you know, gets kicked out 805 00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:20,800 of the Guild. And then all of a sudden there's 806 00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:23,280 a like huge like, Oh, I gotta like message this person hates 807 00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:26,160 me to try to figure out to like hand this over, which almost 808 00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:29,160 certainly wouldn't happen. And that is much more of a like 809 00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:32,000 as an XRP or like that's the type of drama that we would have 810 00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:35,720 been having much love to to my RP friends. 811 00:44:37,240 --> 00:44:43,720 So I I can imagine drama coming up, but like, also, what else do 812 00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:46,040 you do? Right, Like you can't just make 813 00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:48,920 it so that the Guild makes its own discord channel or 814 00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:50,120 something. Like there's always ways that 815 00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:55,680 people can cause low masses. I honestly I think that mutual 816 00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:59,200 consent from Guild leader or officer that has permissions 817 00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:03,200 with admin and or mod that has permissions on discord to make 818 00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:07,680 it link but any party on either side can disconnect it soon as 819 00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:10,400 it's like we want out breaks the link and that's it. 820 00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:16,280 That way you can't be forced to continue a link that one side 821 00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:18,040 that has the controls doesn't want. 822 00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:25,280 But yeah, John, you said this is good all around, so I'm happy, 823 00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:29,040 happy for that. Any thoughts of what else they 824 00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:32,760 could do in terms of socials? I feel like, wow, sort of like 825 00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:35,720 doing everything that really needs to do. 826 00:45:35,720 --> 00:45:37,800 This is great, but I hadn't even thought of it. 827 00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:40,280 I can't even think of what else I would want them to do. 828 00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:45,800 Guild hulls I guess would make things social for the people 829 00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:51,800 that are in the housing but yeah, I don't know Warcraft I I 830 00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:58,680 I think that the decline in the quality of the Warcraft 831 00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:03,560 community as a whole is strongly tied to like in the way we treat 832 00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:05,280 each other the way we talk about each other. 833 00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:09,200 You know the way we don't allow parents to do our mythic plus 834 00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:12,800 keys because people have abducted my family and if we 835 00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:16,720 don't time the 17, they're going to kill them like it's or 836 00:46:16,720 --> 00:46:19,600 whatever reason anyway that that went. 837 00:46:19,720 --> 00:46:24,960 A little far, but OK. Yeah, but I, I tie, I tie that 838 00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:27,160 directly to the failure of the American family. 839 00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:34,400 No, I, I tie it directly to the the breakdown in guilts and how 840 00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:39,440 like predominant guilds were early on and it and it and it 841 00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:41,160 necessarily didn't make the game a better spot because there's 842 00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:43,320 lots of bad actors at that time too. 843 00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:46,800 But as we moved away from that, as people were able to become 844 00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:51,440 more anonymous in game like they are online, a lot of that 845 00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:55,560 negativity crept into our LFGS, crept into our pugs, crept into 846 00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:58,720 the way we treat each other. And, and even now in some Guild, 847 00:46:58,720 --> 00:47:01,120 you're in a Guild and it's like, you know, you're sending 848 00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:03,360 whispers back and forth with your buddy talking about how 849 00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:05,760 shitty your tanks are. Like, Oh my God, these guys, We 850 00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:08,160 would have killed this already if our tanks weren't such dog 851 00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:12,440 shit. And I, I think the breakdown of 852 00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:16,480 the Guild and, and of the game as a social construct has led to 853 00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:18,960 that. So I hope Discord bring some of 854 00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:22,600 that back. But I do think that finding a 855 00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:28,000 way to make guilds matter again, finding a way to drive more 856 00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:30,840 people to be part of A to join a community and be part of a 857 00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:35,120 community and feel like they belong somewhere can only be 858 00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:38,080 beneficial for the game. So hopefully discord helps. 859 00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:41,000 The discord helps, but I also desperately hope it's not the 860 00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:44,480 only step downside. I'm also not a dev and I have no 861 00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:47,080 idea how to fix this. I'm neither a dev nor a 862 00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:51,000 psychologist nor a what's the people that study people. 863 00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:56,120 Sociologist. You know, is it anthropologist? 864 00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:57,960 What's the one that like studies, like societies? 865 00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:00,240 Sociologist. Or anthropologist. 866 00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:03,320 OK, yeah, I'm not that either gang surprise. 867 00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:07,800 So I don't know what the answer is other than blocking everyone 868 00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:11,400 who's awful, which probably also is not helpful. 869 00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:16,920 Yeah, I think there's a, a really tragic, sort of like self 870 00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:21,000 fulfilling prophecy to where we have such a like reputation of 871 00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:23,320 like World of Warcraft's kind of assholes. 872 00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:27,160 And so people A, feel like they can be more assholes in World of 873 00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:30,080 Warcraft and B, like, you know, people who are a little more 874 00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:32,760 sensitive and a little more gentle won't even start playing 875 00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:35,640 until the game gets more and more filled with assholes. 876 00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:40,560 And like, you know, to be fair, we all have stories of bad 877 00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:43,640 experiences, but overwhelmingly, right. 878 00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:47,440 I've been fine. I've met nice people and had 879 00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:51,800 good experiences and I, I love World of Warcraft and part of 880 00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:55,600 that, like I will say many times over that an MMO is just a 881 00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:58,680 community, right? That, that overwhelmingly what 882 00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:01,560 makes an MMO and MMO and, and worth playing are the people in 883 00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:02,920 it. That's why so many people start 884 00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:04,400 and they're like, this is going to be the Wow killer. 885 00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:06,720 And then it doesn't. And it's, it's usually not 886 00:49:06,720 --> 00:49:08,720 because the gameplay sucks. It usually is not because the 887 00:49:08,720 --> 00:49:11,440 story sucks. It's usually they just don't 888 00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:13,840 have enough people to make it worth continuing. 889 00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:16,120 And so people don't, and they go back to the biggest communities 890 00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:17,960 they can find for the Final Fantasy in World of Warcraft. 891 00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:22,800 Yeah, I mean, I think that you're both right. 892 00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:26,760 There is, there is something about the autumnization, the 893 00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:33,960 anonymity, the fact that people become far more replaceable when 894 00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:38,400 you can just jump back into an LFGQ instead of form the group 895 00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:41,640 and March out to the the stone both ways uphill or whatever 896 00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:46,960 that they want to say. But bringing community together 897 00:49:47,720 --> 00:49:49,280 I hopefully will be a good thing. 898 00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:56,160 We will see soon, see. 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