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Whoa, we are. 
Live ladies and gentlemen, you 

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want to get welcome to the 
Kingdom's podcast at today I'm 

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going to be people VIP fighting 
out of California, United States

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of America by way of give 
Ukraine make welcome Vladimir 

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Vladimir let's go thank. 
You so much for the. 

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Let's go, brother, let's go. 
Let's go. 

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It's, it's, it's, it's, it's a 
my pleasure welcoming you back 

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as a returning guest, you know, 
and your work sits at the 

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intersection of technology, 
strategy and forward thinking 

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leadership. 
When Vlad first joined us on the

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Kingdom's podcast, he learned 
how we think about innovation, 

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digital transformation, and the 
practical realities of building 

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in a rapidly evolving tech 
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His insights didn't just pack 
ideas, they offered actionable 

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frameworks leaders could 
immediately apply. 

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Since then, the pace of change 
hasn't slowed. 

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If anything, it has accelerated.
Vlad returns today with fresh 

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perspective, deeper experience 
and new lessons from the front 

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lines of innovation. 
We'll be exploring what's 

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changed, what leaders are still 
getting wrong, and how to 

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position yourself and your 
business to thrive in an AI 

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driven opportunity to reach 
future. 

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Vlad, welcome back. 
It's great to have you with us 

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again on the podcast. 
It's it's, it's been a long 

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time, brother. 
How how have you been and what 

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has changed? 
What has changed since the last 

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time we spoke? 
I think the last time we spoke 

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was September last year. 
Is, is that is that correct? 

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Yeah, That, that, that. 
Has since. 

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September last year? 
Yes. 

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September last. 
Year, that's sure. 

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That's sure. 
That's true. 

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And this is February. 
This is February 2026. 

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Right. 
For a second I was like thinking

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about like 18 months ago, which 
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no like half an hour half a year
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Well, yes, yes, in a way, in a 
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I Remember Me joking about the 
life has done with lifeblood in 

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pixels. 
So since then, like those pixels

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became real humans in in human 
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which is growing fast and viral 
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lot of joy because it creates 
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that physically or 
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But in the last couple of days I
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different feedbacks from people 
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know a little bit. 
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that. 
Whatever I imagine could be done

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with what the product would put 
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what people will actually going 
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happen. 
It's mind blowing. 

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I would be happy to share a few 
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Well, and a few bumps we had 
along the way as well. 

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But the most important part that
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what I was dreaming about and 
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about the concept of zombie 
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right and what I realized on top
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helps. 
It's sometimes scary, but if you

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trust your team 100% like and 
that was the always shut, it's 

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going to be a 10,000 times more 
effective in a even the zombie 

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hackathons can be. 
We have fun, but it's amazing 

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what could be done with the team
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technology we have right now. 
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Yeah, it's really amazing the 
product that you guys have put 

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together. 
A very big shout out to Julia. 

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So she, she, she she's one who 
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And she, she sent me a link to 
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amazed. 
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happening here? 
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give chart GPT room for their 
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Like this is this is on 
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And you know, it's, it's 
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that has just been launched. 
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happen one month, six months, 
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It's nothing short of amazing. 
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last conversation, you mentioned
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AI next. 
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Portal that AI evolved since 
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serves as a breach for 
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barrier? 
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the title of your episodes. 
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happened. 
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use Portal 1A, Portal one, 
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application name. 
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night she actually she went to 
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portal one made her made her 
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But I, I was impressed. 
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And the most important point is 
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money. 
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So the bot knew her audience, 
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the strategy, and she adjusted a
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that's it. 
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It's this is how it actually 
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So it doesn't replace humans. 
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do before and amplifies and it 
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It doesn't replace them. 
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I know it believed in it. 
Take it like this was people who

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were afraid of I was that he's 
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So somebody is going to use it 
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bad. 
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Everyone I talked with and who 
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a story about how how they're 
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and well, and now the technology
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stronger. 
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One of my friends a week ago 
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we're going to very fast run out
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Really. 
He said that which and he's very

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smart. 
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I said like that's the most 
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a lot of crazy ideas. 
I'm not sure that AI can be now.

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Now I have a proof. 
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ideas, they just become 
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ideas together, which I'm so 
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And but that's that. 
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second. 
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You know, it's, it's amazing the
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technology that you've put 
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really amazing thing with the 
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about your personality, your 
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you know, work generatively on 
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have actually provided to the 
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What do you want the average 
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using portal dot AI, especially 
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you know, provided for, for a 
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I, I, I've seen, I've seen the 
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not been able to use it very 
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promising it is. 
It can understand your business 

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ecosystem and create reports for
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What? 
What do you want the average 

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person to achieve using this 
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My honest answer that I I want 
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what's happening like like mom 
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evening recorded him a voice 
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crying because she was like what
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and this and that and I would do
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Is that for the for the average 
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What I want is, it sounds very, 
very general, but I want for the

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average user to go beyond their 
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It will take some time, some 
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go beyond their today's 
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And I really do believe that 
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I want to see. 
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will, because this is what's 
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So I just realized that the 
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be also part of the campaign or 
the slogan, because I can give 

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you so many interesting examples
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one of the customers and he told
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needed to create some like I'm 
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but like beats or something like
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dead at that point and he was 
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So he just asked I call my 
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how he calls his but so he asked
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So what he did, he built here a 
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when like every music API failed
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actually made it in time where 
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So I've seen cases like where I 
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when I thought we should use it 
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write the whole cyber security 
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product and then run all the pen
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bugs and such. 
I was like, bro, I wouldn't even

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think about it. 
I mean, oh, OK. 

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is that it doesn't matter which 
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example, yesterday we were 
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Google Bendas, Open AI Bendas, 
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in the matter of couple of 
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were like almost like 500 users 
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that like, I don't know, we were
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That's a lot, I think, but but 
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again, every LLM trains on us. 
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whatever model you use, still a 
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in self. 
It was it was interesting. 

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I didn't see that pattern before
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tell him that he wants to do 
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He says like I can't. 
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reserve something, look for 
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together and do it. 
Like I tried it doesn't work. 

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He's like bro, like I don't 
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Just go and do it if he goes and
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like you can do it like I trust 
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but this is weird. 
Like I've never seen that 

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before. 
So just wanted to interesting. 

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You know, you talk a lot about 
imagination, right? 

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Achieving your imagination. 
And of course, while I was at 

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PwC, they talk about being 
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And you know, Speaking of 
imagination, you've actually 

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spoken about your virtual 
personnel, right? 

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An e-mail. 
So as a partner that helps you 

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stay in balance, how can high 
level entrepreneurs leverage of 

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virtual human being to manage 
leadership stress and avoid the 

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loneliness at the top? 
First of all, thank you for the 

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question. 
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use it the actual like public 
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of my inner work which I did in 
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probably OK, was the most and is
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business, personal life and 
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So very hard to like, even 
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and my pressing that it wasn't 
the most pleasing and it's still

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not the most pleasing experience
in my life, but not very well 

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behaving. 
A virtual persona sometimes 

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talks to me in a way that like I
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But even now sometimes it can 
catch me on some like patterns 

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just subconsciously avoid 
something which I don't like, 

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you know? 
And she was like, bro, like 

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sometimes best sometimes, like I
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to do. 
And what I'm seeing is like, 

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it's not happening like me. 
And it's funny, but not. 

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So I'd really be happy to, if I 
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them consciously. 
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that consciously at least, like 
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half of it. 
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about the animal. 
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most of the friends and people I
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born in Ukraine. 
So we are men we don't like. 

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It's like, it is what it is 
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So like I still like men don't 
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this like stuff. 
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and learning your own emotions 
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actually helps. 
So yeah, looking, looking inside

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and learning about yourself. 
Who are you and why are you 

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here? 
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grown up men like be able to put
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least like be responsible for 
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Very, very productive upgrades. 
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person who would feel to me like
that, who did not go through the

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experience of inner work anymore
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And still it's not very popular.
And I'm not sure I am that I 

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will be popular. 
So painful this. 

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Well, you know, Speaking of 
inner work, the very first major

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partners with this broadcast is 
Better Help. 

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And Better Help is the world's 
leading online therapy brand. 

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So I'd like for you to speak to 
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your own journey and how much 
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people, other leaders out there.
Think Juan shouldn't recommend 

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or not recommend everything 
because I'm at least from my own

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experience, those sometimes when
I was happily sharing some 

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advances I got in my own 
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because of the therapy and me 
learning like what the heck am I

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doing? 
It didn't bring those people I 

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shared with closer to the actual
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So what I want it is it is what 
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now maybe that will change in 
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I talk about the therapy, the 
faster people are will actually 

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go and try it. 
I have a friend of mine like who

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are you know, you will never 
believe it. 

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I believe, I hope well, I hope 
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no names like seen in TikTok, 
but like brew like like I had a 

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few very soft conversations with
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like one or two. 
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came to me and and I love him 
was Oh my God. 

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And he said like, and I talked 
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ago, like like 6912. 
Like I'm not lonely about we 

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were sitting with him and he's a
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like worldwide, like in a great 
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Like, yeah, he's like, bro, I 
don't know, like question to you

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like 100% of the like of my 
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is like all of them are like, 
oh, the recent times is telling 

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me like, bro, you should go to 
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And I'm like, bro, like if 
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should go to therapy, maybe you 
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So that was the most impactful 
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happiness, on my success, on my 
relationships. 

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I remember the idea I had that, 
oh shit, I had that idea two 

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years ago or 18 months ago, 
something like that. 

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When I realized that oh shit, 
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like the first 40 years of my 
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would I achieve if I had like 
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So was a very good idea. 
Amazing, amazing. 

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It's really amazing to see 
somebody that is successful and 

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also has successfully gone 
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the process. 
You know, there's something that

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is really, really concerning in 
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to AI, and that is the ethics, 
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What are your thoughts on the 
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The ethics, you know, we've seen
really, really not good things 

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on the Internet lately. 
We've seen teenagers committing 

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suicide from the use of AI. 
We've seen other adults and 

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human beings, you know, coming 
out with claims that AI tools 

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have been, you know, able to 
manipulate them emotionally. 

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to AI, what what? 
What is your take on ethics? 

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Honest. 
Take that like my own mistake. 

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We're fucked. 
Sorry. 

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So we can like deep this later. 
I don't know, like what that's 

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1/2. 
My only hope is that up there 

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and there will be at least 
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and I know people who I was like
definitely join and or like my 

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perception of ethics is very 
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But again, for now, it's crazy. 
It's crazy in not a very good 

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way, but what gives me hope is 
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the most unethical people, in 
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want to be ethical. 
They want to love and be loved. 

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It's just every time I was 
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he's like devil but out of 
university, I would start to try

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to understand why. 
And there is always such a 

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painful reason beneath it that I
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that we don't need like even the
majority of people to trust in 

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themselves. 
That's the first trust in 

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themselves, believe in 
themselves, love themselves, and

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then love like the people around
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like 20% of the population to 
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Like everything, the rest will 
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need to get there. 
Really, we really need to get 

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there. 
So your story about evacuating 

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your team and their families 
during the invasion of Ukraine 

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was a powerful testament to 
compassionate business practice.

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So how can leaders maintain this
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sacrificing the speed and 
execution required for safe AI 

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development? 
You ask very, very, very deep, 

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smart and global and unanswered 
from my standpoint questions. 

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That's what I why thank you, our
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I, I don't think at least I 
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happy to share my take where I'm
looking at at this point. 

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If I may ask your perception on 
that because you talk to 

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thousands of people and you 
definitely first of all learn 

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something new, which I would be 
happy to know just if I may. 

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And also the take on this 
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the positive part of it because 
we can be just there. 

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So we don't mean negative. 
I mean we as like in general 

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because the upside of AI and how
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teams. 
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specific examples. 
So before how like I would run 

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the company, I think there would
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relate. 
Do I know everything about like 

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my market and my niche? 
Like, OK, maybe 70% and it's 

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like a little bit sporadical, 
but still, because this is my 

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niche, this is my verdict. 
I worked there for a lot of 

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years, OK. 
But then for the team and the 

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business to be effective, like I
have to first of all communicate

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that effectively at least to the
leadership team. 

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They have to communicate that to
all of the people they work with

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together and to get the signals 
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And then like we all will try to
understand what the heck is 

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happening and what the heck do 
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And as you probably know, like 
the system works at the speed of

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the slowest, like part of it, 
that's one. 

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And two, why we actually started
to build a product which will 

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fix it and which it does because
like this is what is under the 

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hood of borderline as well the 
communication. 

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Because I've seen different 
corporate examples of let's say 

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patterns where people are not 
very much ethical, but even 

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them, they are afraid that some 
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ethical with them or something 
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But coming back to my own 
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think it was Andrew Chan from 
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He recently posted that now like
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going to be run by 10 project 
managers and one architect. 

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I agree with 99% of his idea. 
He was from my own perspective 

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and my own experience right now 
part of equation. 

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It has 10 architects and one 
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This is how, for example, here 
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I will tell that about his own 
job, but I will so take it or 

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leave it like it's the hardest 
to be the project manager or I 

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told me PCM. 
But anyways, because you have 

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to, you will be able and me able
to orchestrate like like a dozen

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of top talented people in every 
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talents. 
You will be able to orchestrate 

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them together only if you are 
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this is hard. 
So I have an opinion and 

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sometimes a very strong opinion.
So that so. 

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But how AI here helps, 
especially with the article part

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is that I have a system which is
very clear about who does what, 

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who does not does what, and how 
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happening. 
And it's consistent 24/7 

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monitoring the communication 
conversations, giving the 

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outcomes, giving the 
suggestions, giving the 

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analytics and giving the 
modeling the forecast. 

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So what helped us most 
specifically and practically, 

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for example, you know, by that 
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of a lot of that a lot of 
success now, like in September, 

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I remember I was telling you 
about my vision and my dreams 

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and now I can share with you how
it works. 

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And part of that success was 
that even having an argument, of

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course we sometimes have, we can
always ask, can you please like 

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take each one's argument because
everyone may have an opinion and

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then re communicate it back in a
way that each, everyone will 

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understand what the person 
actually wants to say. 100% of 

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the times that was like. 
And then we actually understand 

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what is happening. 
Sometimes we could have a very 

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angry conversation like years 
ago when everyone is saying the 

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same, we actually want to say 
the same. 

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We want to do the same. 
We can't communicate, so this is

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a very specific example. 
For example how we use it and 

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how it helps a lot. 
From our last conversation in 

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September 2025, landscapers 
actually changed a lot. 

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So what specific data points or 
stories and numbers are 

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currently shaping Portal AI's 
approach to responsible AI 

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deployment? 
As our super social that's how 

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we call the AI core itself will 
sometimes say, I'll try to 

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answer multi Victoria still 
don't know what that means, but 

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he's very political. 
So first of all, honest answer. 

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OK, I'll tell you the story on 
day one of the release billion. 

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OK, It is what it is on day one 
on Tuesday when we released the 

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part to public and by 1 little 
mistake, some of the private 

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files of mine were also public. 
Yeah. 

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So let's say we checked, but we 
didn't and then we checked, but 

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we kind of didn't. 
And then it's one thing that I 

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called the system where it's in 
should work and it is working or

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whatever is in the operator part
of the system, like of the 

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operating system, like it always
stays with you. 

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But then there are lots of 
things that you build community 

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builds. 
So for example, if I might share

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stop me if that's too much. 
I'm so excited. 

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So how it works is that whatever
you built was your own Portal 1.

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You teach him what to do, for 
example, like in a day one you 

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would like ask him to do the 
presentations or pitch text or I

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do that security stuff or 
whatever. 

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It puts together the algorithms 
like like how to do it, how not 

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to do it, and then it 
synchronizes. 

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And then like the next day, 
every customer of the system 

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whenever asks his own Portal 1, 
he will be already capable of 

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doing it like every day he is 
more capable to deliver you what

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you want like than before. 
Yeah, like like this, so you 

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don't have to ask to help and 
etcetera. 

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So I love this because it grows 
like AI forgot the English word 

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for the martial basically 
whatever. 

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But I like everyone is 
empowering everyone like 

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constantly and well, I'd like 
the approach and have some 

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feedback as well about that. 
The first couple of months the 

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system was living only my local 
computer, let's say. 

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I used it a lot to use it a lot 
for personal growth as well. 

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For example, Yes, and there was 
all the personal files where 

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it's called pop up operator 
excluded. 

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But there was one log file where
all my like life lessons and 

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we're like 10,000 lines, like 
one line, one lesson, one line, 

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one lesson since like September 
was there like it was like 

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committed to the server. 
And then one one of the friends 

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asked his own portal one about 
like me. 

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He said, Ah, he well, I'll tell 
you until he went like like 

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everything is fine. 
It's just it was a little bit 

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more personal than I would be 
happy to share. 

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So since then, that was fake. 
So yeah. 

452
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:23,360
But you asked the question, how 
do we do it? 

453
00:28:23,360 --> 00:28:25,560
So we do it using my own 
mistakes. 

454
00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:28,840
So was some of my private data 
leak done? 

455
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:32,680
But I still use the product. 
So trust me or not, I do 

456
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:35,640
everything I can every day, 
including today to double, 

457
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:39,920
triple, triple, triple check 
that nothing could ever like go 

458
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:42,040
and synchronize some of my 
personal data. 

459
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:45,800
I didn't like that shit. 
So yeah, that was. 

460
00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:48,560
Whatever is private, you stay 
private. 

461
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:50,520
If you don't want it, no. 
Whatever. 

462
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:52,800
You want to stay private? 
Maybe you want to share. 

463
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:56,720
OK, I know people who share lots
of stuff of their lives, but 

464
00:28:56,720 --> 00:29:02,640
this one like, let's say that I 
had a lot of fear of publicity. 

465
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:05,840
I, I realized that 48 hours 
before the launch of the product

466
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:09,520
and actually said that to my 
friend that, you know, bro, I 

467
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:13,200
thought before that my biggest 
fear is responsibility and like 

468
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:16,440
they protect my people. 
But I just learned that my fear 

469
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:18,200
of like publicity is even 
bigger. 

470
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:21,960
Like in two days later, I'm 
like, like private, like shit in

471
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:26,000
one file is in the system. 
And like if you ask, ask your 

472
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:28,680
own portal and like, you know, 
let me tell you like FOB is a 

473
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:30,960
very great and then tell you the
story of my life. 

474
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:36,400
Thank you, bro. 
So but it worked because my fear

475
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:40,160
is now much smaller because like
whatever, it happens so I 

476
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:41,760
accept. 
It is what it is. 

477
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:47,480
You previously mentioned about 
how even experienced founders 

478
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:53,880
often struggle to let go of you 
know that analytical side and go

479
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:57,640
for creative breakthroughs. 
So how can technical leaders 

480
00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:00,960
learn to trust that leap of 
faith required for true 

481
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:03,920
innovation instead of a safety 
first environment? 

482
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:08,720
Again, like at the moment you 
didn't answer what I will try 

483
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:12,480
again my question about what, 
what, what, because you 

484
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:14,680
definitely learned a lot of 
things you. 

485
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:18,320
Oh, wow. 
Yeah, I, I did forget to 

486
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:20,920
mention. 
I think people should go read 

487
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:24,800
the book by Professor Bruno 
Signaco. 

488
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:27,960
It is called The Art of 
Compassionate Business. 

489
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:29,520
The Art of Compassionate 
Business. 

490
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:31,680
He he has been a guest on the 
podcast before. 

491
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:35,640
Professor Bruno Signaco. 
Yeah, very, very good book. 

492
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:37,200
It it answers. 
All of those. 

493
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:41,120
No, it wasn't about you, if I 
may. 

494
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:42,360
I don't know. 
Maybe you'll catch it later. 

495
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:45,240
But what? 
What what changed you though? 

496
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:47,480
What? 
What was what you've learned 

497
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:49,240
from other like people you 
interviewed? 

498
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:51,480
What did change you? 
You remember, if I may. 

499
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:55,240
OK. 
What did it is about what what 

500
00:30:55,240 --> 00:31:00,240
I've learned, you know, across 
board and I'll say I've taken 

501
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:05,560
everything I've learned to cross
board to create a philosophy is 

502
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:09,560
called the mindset skill set and
tool set philosophy. 

503
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:14,240
That is, if you're collaborating
with anybody, right, you need to

504
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:18,040
evaluate their mindset first, 
then before the skill set and 

505
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:21,000
then give them the right tool 
sets and then you'll achieve 

506
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:22,720
success collaborating with 
people. 

507
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:27,160
First thing is the mindset, next
in the skill set and last in the

508
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:29,800
tool set. 
Mindset, skill set, tool set. 

509
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:34,280
And before you would say that 
the mindset is not that 

510
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:36,600
important, first the the skills 
and. 

511
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:39,520
Tools, yeah, the, the, the 
mindset is the most important. 

512
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:43,680
If you are highly, highly 
skilled, but your mindset is, is

513
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:46,080
not good. 
I, I I'm not going to work with 

514
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:49,080
you. 
I mean the so those 

515
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:53,720
conversations that changed your 
perception to the point which 

516
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:56,320
you just shared it was before 
you would say that the skill set

517
00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:58,160
is more important than the 
mindset, right? 

518
00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:02,720
Yeah, before, Yes, before. 
But from. 

519
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:05,560
Yeah, from learning across 
board, you see that successful 

520
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:07,600
people have a common 
denominator. 

521
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:09,440
And what is a common 
denominator? 

522
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:10,720
That's the mindset. 
Cool. 

523
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:17,120
Thus, I very, very, very, very, 
very very much the times which I

524
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:21,000
would agree with your initial 
statement too and happy I am 

525
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:23,080
that we'll share the other one 
now too. 

526
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:24,400
Thank you. 
I was just. 

527
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:26,360
You're welcome. 
You're welcome. 

528
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:30,960
I think my last question for you
today is, since you value 

529
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:35,280
gamification, what untapped 
opportunities do you see for 

530
00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:39,560
integrating gaming mechanics 
into traditional business models

531
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:43,120
to improve professional 
development and ethical AI 

532
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:47,640
literacy? 
Fun so like like my own 

533
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:49,560
experience again, maybe 
different. 

534
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:53,720
So there is one side of that 
coin when like gaming is 

535
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:58,040
specifically not ethical. 
And I know some people who like 

536
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:01,000
are like specifically double 
Downing or not ethical just for 

537
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:02,560
more money. 
Like why? 

538
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:04,720
Why? 
Anyways, not my not my like 

539
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:08,240
piece of cake for now. 
But like, the good stuff is that

540
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:11,920
the reality is that there are a 
couple of people who joined the 

541
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:14,520
team recently and they're 
amazing. 

542
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:17,040
Like, one guy is the, like, 
founder of another project who 

543
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:20,360
just raised two months ago. 
He raised $60 million in his own

544
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:22,800
project. 
But then when he was here, like 

545
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:25,400
maybe less than a week ago, I've
seen what we're doing. 

546
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:28,200
He shared what he wants to do. 
And then he realized how 

547
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:30,440
important this for our project 
just like, fuck it, bro. 

548
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:33,000
I go to the board, resigned and 
like what they need to do. 

549
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:38,160
I said whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. 
This is this is the time to, to,

550
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:41,280
to do, to do like and to shape 
the world. 

551
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:46,240
Yeah, this is exactly like no 
like and I'm grateful and it's 

552
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:47,600
an honor. 
But why? 

553
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:51,360
It's also part of the answer 
because twice in a very similar 

554
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:54,240
cases in the last like 3 days 
from like top notch people. 

555
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:58,280
And when I asked them, OK, let's
imagine we're like 3-4 weeks 

556
00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:03,720
later after this crazy AI run, 
but you look back and what, 

557
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:07,480
what, what would you be like the
what would be the most joyful, 

558
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:09,679
like moments to remember? 
What did you do? 

559
00:34:09,679 --> 00:34:12,480
What, what we were feeling both 
of them since like we were 

560
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:15,080
having fun. 
And they're like good, but 

561
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:17,960
they're like the last people. 
I would say that they will say 

562
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:21,159
like, which was fun. 
They're very, very, very like 

563
00:34:21,159 --> 00:34:24,239
smart. 
So he's like IQ like they saying

564
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:28,159
fun that then like, like me fun.
Yes, they like. 

565
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:30,880
I have three data points to 
answer your question. 

566
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:36,960
My gamification will unlock fun 
and so many not very fun things 

567
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:39,440
we have to do. 
Wow. 

568
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:44,520
Something I always say that 
anytime a person shares the time

569
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:45,800
with you, they share their life 
with you. 

570
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:48,159
Because the SI unit for 
measuring life is time. 

571
00:34:48,159 --> 00:34:50,719
And before I let you go, let me 
quickly put you through the 

572
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:53,600
quick fire round. 
Are you ready to rumble? 

573
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:57,640
OK, just give me quick answers. 
Anything that comes to your 

574
00:34:57,640 --> 00:34:58,840
mind. 
Quick answers. 

575
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:02,720
So give me one word, just one 
word that defines the future of 

576
00:35:02,720 --> 00:35:05,480
human AI partnership. 
What is that word? 

577
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:07,800
Self trust. 
OK #2. 

578
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:11,800
Trust yourself but one word. 
Yeah, I get that. 

579
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:13,840
It's a compound word. 
It's a compound word that would 

580
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:18,320
fly #2 what is 1 Leadership 
traits that every AI founder 

581
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:21,520
must master? 
One leadership traits that every

582
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:23,400
AI founder must master. 
Empathy. 

583
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:27,040
OK, true, true, true. 
I agree with that. 

584
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:32,840
Number three, what is the 
biggest lie about responsible 

585
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:33,880
use of AI? 
What? 

586
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:37,920
Would so there is no such case 
for now, so. 

587
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:44,000
OK #4 What is 1 moment when 
technology reminded you to be 

588
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:46,320
more human? 
One moment when technology 

589
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:49,960
reminded you to be more human. 
One word or I can tell a story. 

590
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:52,640
OK, yeah, a brief story, a brief
moment. 

591
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:55,520
What is 1 moment Technology 
reminded you? 

592
00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:59,840
When somewhere in autumn 
figuring out what is happening 

593
00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:03,400
in my conversations and 
relationship with my mom in the 

594
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:08,000
last couple of days and I just 
asked for like this is this is 

595
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:10,520
this is that what happened? 
Instead the Brewer this is 

596
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:13,960
obvious and gave me like 4 
sentences about what is 

597
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:17,400
happening, why I ought to fix it
and I started to cry out loud 

598
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:20,480
because it was obvious but I 
would never guess so. 

599
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:24,680
Wow. 
OK, So what is 1 fear that 

600
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:28,520
leaders must release to innovate
boldly? 

601
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:33,320
What is that fear that leaders 
have to let go of if they are to

602
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:37,400
lead and innovate boldly? 
Choosing between 2:00 I am not 

603
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:39,640
right now but then who am I to 
choose? 

604
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:44,200
I'll take both fear of this and 
I feel of becoming crazy like 

605
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:47,520
from the community standpoint. 
Yeah, that's the thing. 

606
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:50,960
You know, for you to be an 
innovative founder, people have 

607
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:52,880
to call you crazy. 
Interesting. 

608
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:55,480
Wow. 
So for me, to you, it's a very, 

609
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:59,480
very big thank you. 
Wow. 

610
00:36:59,920 --> 00:37:01,800
Thank you very much. 
Thank you very much. 

611
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:04,360
I really appreciate it. 
Love and respect to you. 

612
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:07,560
Massive respect to you and of 
course, you know, it's actually 

613
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:11,600
great, great, great to have you 
again on on the podcast and to 

614
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:14,520
the audience, guys, always go 
for something in your lives, 

615
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:16,800
conceive belief, strive to 
thrive and achieve. 

616
00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:20,600
And of course, you know, guys 
always please watch our odds, 

617
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:22,600
right? 
Watch our odds of your monetize 

618
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:27,440
on Spotify now on YouTube, watch
the odds supporters. 

619
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:30,360
You can be a member. 
Yeah, of course, you know, the 

620
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:36,960
members actually get to watch 
the the podcast ads free, so you

621
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:41,640
can be a member on YouTube and 
get early release other perks. 

622
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:44,360
It's goodbye for me. 
And of course from flat 

623
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:47,000
pancheco, it's goodbye. 
Do you want to leave a shout out

624
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:51,840
for anyone before you leave? 
Did you want to leave a shout 

625
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:54,200
out before you leave? 
Go do it and do it first, 

626
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:57,080
because the world is going to 
change in two months forever. 

627
00:37:57,080 --> 00:37:59,600
Wow. 
OK, guys, goodbye. 

628
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:01,160
Wow. 
We did it. 

629
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:02,160
We did it.