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You have built a career around 
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most, and that is data, people 
and purpose. 

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So how do you see cybersecurity 
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You know, I think cybersecurity 

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will become more proactive and 
AI driven with advancements and 

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machine learning, right? 
Enabling real time threat 

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detection and response. 
That's kind of what I say. 

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I think the focus is going to 
ship shift towards predictive 

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analytics, right? 
Automation, more zero trust or 

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architects to counter 
increasingly sophisticated 

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cyberattacks. 
You're going to need it, right? 

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The next element of that, it's 
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right? 
I think that's going to play a 

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pivotal role, like both as a 
challenge but as an opportunity.

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And today I have with me from 
the other side of the pond, Phil

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Novak. 
How are you, Michelle? 

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I am fantastic. 
How are you doing today? 

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Do you want, do you want the 
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authentic answer? 
Default answer is I am. 

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Well, I'm fine, you know, I'm 
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is rather authentic answer is 
I'm recovering from a fleet. 

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But Michelle Novak cannot go 
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We have. 
So we have to record this one. 

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We have to record this one. 
You know, your journey is so, so

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weak and layered from 
hospitality and finance to cyber

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security and authorship. 
So what has driven your 

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evolution over the years? 
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Question, right? 
Well, my evolution has been 

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driven by commitment to growth, 
right? 

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Refusal to settle and a passion 
for helping and thrive others, 

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right? 
Like I think hands down, each 

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phase of my journey, whether 
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industry, finance industry, 
cybersecurity, becoming an 

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author has been about learning 
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stepping into all challenges 
with a purpose, right? 

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Purpose driven. 
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for me. 
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adapting, you have won so many 
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You know, you're that person, 
the core, the proverbial Jack of

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all trades. 
But then you are a master of 

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some. 
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trades typically is usually a 
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actually a false statement. 
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and of course you have mastered,
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And you're always talking about 
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So what does leaving your best 
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You know, for me, living your 
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choices, right? 
And embracing, embracing every 

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opportunity that's out there and
aligning your actions really 

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with your core values, like who 
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Living by a standard that is 
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right? 
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never give up, right? 
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paving the path for others, 
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inspiring others and creating 
that life of abundance where you

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can live fully like, you know, 
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I love the word authentically. 
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sense of purpose. 
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life as being the family and 
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Strong faith, my friend, right? 
Strong faith, I love that. 

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faith, you know, without faith 
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God. 
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other ways Hebrew 11/1 says 
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Abraham had faith and it was 
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righteousness. 
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harnessing opportunities. 
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have quite harnessed is 
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So you founded Cardinal's Bite 
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the importance of digital 
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That's a loaded question, right?
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overlook digital security 
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small to be targeted, right? 
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too complex or too expensive. 
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right? 
You know what's at stake is 

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everything, right? 
Client trust, regulatory 

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compliance. 
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survival of their business, 63% 
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attacked in the first year. 
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business because of it, right? 
If not prepared, a single breach

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damage. 
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small businesses overlook it. 
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benefits. 
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When the use of something is 
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of small business owners has no,
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the word out, you know, 
sensitizing small business 

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owners regarding that importance
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breaking down the compliance in 
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So what are the top 3 
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Misconceptions, right? 
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security. 
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standard is enough? 
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baseline, right? 
They think, you know, you 

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download your Malwarebytes or 
whatever it is that will protect

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you from, you know that you 
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and you you're protected against
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I get that a lot, right? 
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take care of it. 
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responsibility, right? 
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leadership. 
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have it built into your posture 
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Just like you would be planning 
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cybersecurity. 
It's that essential, right? 

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small to be targeted, right? 
Cyber criminals often target 

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small businesses because they're
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infrastructure. 
They know that they can send a 

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phishing e-mail to them. 
They're going to click on that 

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link. 
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right, your system is stopping 
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they don't know what they're 
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But again, it's there's so many 
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So you've actually spoken about 
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misconceptions, right, that 
small businesses have regarding 

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cybersecurity. 
But you and your team at 

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Cardinals Bytes, how do you 
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industries such as accounting, 
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services? 
You know, where data sensitivity

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is very, very paramount. 
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So we tailor a lot of different 
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is to identify the gaps and the 
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So the first thing that we do is
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identify their security posture.
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up with a plan based on many 
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depending where it is in cyber. 
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what'll happen is, is the 
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like multi factor 
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How they handle backward 
updating software systems, 

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right? 
What systems can be exploited? 

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We take a look at the 
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systems. 
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software, we take a look at the 
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to not sound, right? 
There'll be physical security as

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well. 
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risk assessment, it's not only 
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websites, it's about your 
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Like do you allow people to just
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they see information on your 
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Can they plug in a USB? 
There's a lot of different 

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elements to it. 
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security awareness, right? 
Teaching people what to look for

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because that's important, but 
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I think that's very, very 
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people don't even know what to 
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And I think that's where we 
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You know, I have clients that 
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One person and some, I think my 
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people, right? 
So you know, what's needed for 

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that one client versus someone 
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different, right? 
So we tailor it, we tailor those

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solutions based on what they 
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It's going to be a whole 
different ball game for that one

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person versus the 900 and the 
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But for businesses that have 
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low core strategies would you 
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stay protected and compliant? 
So I work with some businesses. 

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I mean, I'm always about helping
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It's not all about money. 
And I believe that, right? 

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Sometimes you, you know, you 
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are just starting out, they need
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I share the resources. 
There's free resources out 

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there, whether it be through the
federal government, through the 

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state that will actually help 
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I'll start them off. 
Sometimes they do risk 

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assessments for them and I don't
charge them because I want them 

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to learn. 
I want them to build that 

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security trust posture. 
So this way they have 

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resilience, They understand it. 
So the state and federal 

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government, I mean, here in the 
US, they have tons of resources 

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that are free that small 
businesses can actually do and 

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implement themselves and they 
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If you have a smaller budget, 
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You have to be able to work with
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tools out there. 
I think the biggest thing is 

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it's so overwhelming. 
You don't know what you need, 

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right? 
So I think what scares a lot of 

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people is to like, I need a 
cyber security plan, but they, 

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they don't know how much it's 
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And then they go online and you 
start doing the research and we 

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all go down the Google rabbit 
hole, like I like to call it. 

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And you know, you're not really 
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And then you become overwhelmed 
and you're like, oh, this is 

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going to be too expensive. 
And you talk yourself out of it 

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when you really need it, right? 
So it's, I think just getting in

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touch with the right person and 
doing your own research and not 

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going down that rabbit hole. 
But listen, the average for a 

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small business can cost, I say a
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1000, right, on average. 
Interesting. 

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Yeah, it's a very broad range 
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and that you know. 
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The most important is implement 
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anything you have implement VPN.
I'm going to tell you that right

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now. 
Backup, backup, backup your data

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regularly, right? 
So you have a landing point. 

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Educate your employees or do 
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YouTube and say, you know, give 
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cybersecurity training. 
They're free, right? 

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Educate so you know what you're 
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that's the biggest way they get 
in, right? 

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Sending scam emails and invest, 
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Invest in a cost effective 
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You know, it's power mount, 
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If you get a breach, again, it 
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right? 
You don't want to lose your 

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client's trust. 
Your data is your. 

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A lot of people don't understand
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is what they're after. 
And that is your biggest asset, 

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right? 
It's not just an ex, it's not 

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just an expense, cybersecurity, 
It's a safeguard for the 

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longevity and trustworthy of 
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You have to have that. 
You lose trust, you lose 

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everything. 
Exactly, you're talking about 

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the Google rabbit hole and 
you're reminding me of an older 

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friend of mine. 
She will know herself from this.

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I shout out to you, she calls 
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doctors tell her to do this. 
Is this that she's always going 

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to Google to go search her 
symptoms everything and now goes

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to the doctors. 
The doctors are frustrated like 

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are you? 
Are you, are you the patient or 

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the assistant doctor? 
Let us know and then she said 

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they put on how far the Google 
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Then Google patients, listen, 
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somebody who does the same 
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like, and they know better than 
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So like, listen, I mean, we're 
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We love Google, we love these 
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I mean they're great. 
They help us right, Chat GPTAI, 

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all of that. 
But you know, you can go down a 

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rabbit hole. 
That's what I always say. 

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Google patients? 
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advising them of is reach out to
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right, whoever it might be, and 
ask the questions, gain 

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knowledge, right? 
20% of my knowledge, someone 

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else doesn't know, and 20% of 
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And that's what it's about. 
Just educate yourself, reach 

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out, ask the questions. 
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chats. 
Ask the questions, of course, 

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you know people out there to 
sell, right? 

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You know, you're in business, 
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that's not what it's about. 
Well, for me anyway. 

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X call, you'll get the answers 
that you need. 

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I mean, small businesses need an
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where I am, I mean, there are 
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to be certified for certain 
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So it's, you got to know the 
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Cyber is so big today. 
You've got to protect yourself 

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and your clients, right? 
Because you can be sued and, you

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know, unfortunately, it's tough 
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It's rough out there. 
And these cyber criminals, 

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they're becoming more and more 
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So. 
Exactly, let's talk about 

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mindset and transformation. 
You have written your book and 

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it is about mindset right? 
Shifting your mindset into into 

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one days of abundance. 
So what might achieved changed 

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everything for you personally 
and professionally, Yeah. 

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So I, I think the biggest shift 
was realizing that I have the 

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power to my own choices, right? 
And to create my own reality. 

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I think that was the biggest 
thing, right? 

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By letting go the fear and the 
negativity, understanding what 

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made me who I am and allowing me
to focus on growth and 

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resilience and living 
authentically kind of helped me 

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realize where I needed to go. 
We've all that book is about 

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identifying who you are as a 
person, right? 

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And I had to unknown me and 
understand that I need to love 

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myself first. 
I think first and foremost, if 

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you don't love yourself, then 
you don't have direction, right?

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You got to love yourself. 
So I think that for me is what 

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shifted understanding that. 
Something I really appreciate 

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about you is the fact that 
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How does faith and mindfulness 
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the mix for success as a tech 
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you? 
Faith keeps you grounded. 

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All right, I'm going to say that
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Faith keeps you grounded. 
That's how it's done it for me, 

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right? 
It keeps me grounded. 

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Mindfulness helps me stay 
focused right in the present and

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not in the past. 
And the abundance reminds me to 

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approach each challenge with 
gratitude, right and 

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possibilities. 
It's hard to approach the it's 

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hard to stay grounded, be 
mindful, stay in the present and

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have that abundant mentality 
without that opportunity to be 

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grateful and understand that you
have possibilities every day, 

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right? 
Together, I think they fuel my 

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purpose and drive to build 
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And I think that's, you know, my
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I want to build, you know, you 
have a business, but you want to

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build something meaningful that 
helps you. 

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You know, my next phase is 
mentoring others, helping people

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along their way and giving back.
So I think that's how, you know,

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my faith has played a role where
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So what piece of advice would 
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facing the fear of 
entrepreneurship stepping out? 

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Alone. 
So I just wrote a book about 

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this not so long ago, Overcoming
your fear as an entrepreneur and

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solopreneur, right? 
And being a game changer. 

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That's the name of it, right? 
Fear is natural, right? 

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Let's just say that fear is 
natural for everybody, right? 

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But you can't let it paralyze 
you, right? 

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Start small. 
It's an entrepreneur. 

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Start small. 
Embrace learning and trust that 

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every step forward, no matter 
how uncertain, is progress. 

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I think that's the hardest 
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Somebody's stepping out. 
You've got to know that. 

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Surround yourself with 
supportive people, right? 

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People who are going to believe 
in your vision. 

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I know a lot of big people say 
this, but it's so important. 

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Get rid of the naysayers. 
Cut them out. 

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Cut them out of your life, 
right? 

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You know, in my book, I help 
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and I say, why do brilliant 
ideas die in silence of someday,

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right? 
Embrace being a game changer, 

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right? 
What if the secret, right, just 

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putting it out there. 
What if the secret to launching 

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your dream was about more 
information, right? 

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Wasn't about information, but 
about confronting the hidden 

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fears that you hold that hold 
you captive inside, being honest

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with yourself, looking in that 
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Fear is here. 
You put it in your mind what you

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tell yourself is what you do and
it's that simple. 

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It's that simple. 
And I think if people understood

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that, we'd see a change. 
Just then reminds me of the 

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acronym that I have of here. 
False evidence is appearing 

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real. 
Beautiful, Beautiful. 

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It's a great acronym and you 
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I'm going to use it. 
Ha ha ha ha. 

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How to use it? 
It's AI. 

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Wish I would have thought of it.
OK, we, we can both use it then 

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we can, we can both use it. 
Well, I call you a champion of 

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resilience, you know, But what's
that personal moment where you 

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have had to rise above chaos and
keep going? 

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But rise above chaos, I'd say 
when I transition to 

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cybersecurity, right? 
I faced imposter syndrome big 

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time. 
I'm telling you, I definitely 

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had it. 
And it was a steep learning 

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curve, you know, into a new 
industry, right? 

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Instead of giving up, though, I 
leaned in. 

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I leaned in hard. 
I found myself a mentor, right? 

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I sought mentorship. 
That really helped me understand

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that I am resilient. 
You know, it reminded me, it 

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reminded myself that growth 
happens outside of when you're 

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not comfortable, right? 
Outside your comfort zones. 

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That challenge became the 
foundation, I think for my 

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success today because I just 
leaned in hard like it was 

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tough, right? 
Cybersecurity is tough. 

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The industry is tough. 
It's, you know, women in 

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cybersecurity. 
It's even that that more 

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tougher. 
I mean, we've made great 

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strides, but there's a long way 
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So I would say that's probably 
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transition in my life that I 
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But you're actually admirably 
reason above the chaos and not 

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just for yourself. 
You are an inspiration to others

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across the globe. 
You are an inspiration to me and

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you are highly appreciated. 
You have been a You're welcome. 

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You've been a leader, you know, 
both in corporate America and as

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a business owner. 
They are the most important 

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leadership lessons you've learnt
across the the two domains. 

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You know, leadership is about 
empathy, right? 

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It's about empathy, 
adaptability, and leading by 

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example. 
Those are the three things that 

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I've always learned, right? 
You're not above, leave the 

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title at the door and drop the 
ego, OK? 

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In corporate America, I learned 
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communication and decision 
making, right? 

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Critical thinking. 
And as a business owner, I think

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I realized that empowering 
others, fostering trust, and 

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staying true to my vision are 
the key to build something 

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impactful. 
I think that's probably where I 

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would leave with that. 
I love the part we talk about 

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leading by example. 
Reminds me of something a leader

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I I admire a lot from my time at
Peter to say. 

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And interestingly, he, he was on
this podcast sometime last year,

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you know, he, he keeps talking 
about what is important is not 

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the example of your power or the
power of your example. 

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He's absolutely right. 
You're on show. 

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Spot on with you know, it aligns
very much with you know what 

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what you're saying. 
What's really important is the 

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power of your example. 
And yeah, 7 leaders are always 

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the best leaders. 
Right from time immemorial. 

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Jesus Christ, Prophet Muhammad, 
Mahatma Gandhi, name any great 

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leader. 
What has always been powerful is

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the power of their example and 
their service to humanity. 

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While we talk about 
collaboration, you know, what 

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role has collaboration and 
community played in your growth 

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and how do you recommend leaders
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When I think about 
collaboration, my collaboration 

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and community have been 
instrumental in my journey. 

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It has I mean the hands down I 
think what kind of is important 

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to me in the growth of it is 
mentorship or partnerships and 

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shared knowledge have shaped my 
path. 

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Like without that, I don't know 
if I've, it would not have given

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up. 
I recommend leaders building 

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intentional networks right 
today. 

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It's about being intentional, 
inviting in those again that are

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going to be authentic, offering 
you value and seeking A diverse 

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perspective is important. 
It's so important because it 

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gets you out of that comfort 
zone. 

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It gets you thinking, it gets 
you engaged. 

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It gives you more than just a 
relationship. 

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And that relationship needs to 
be rooted in trust and mutual 

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growth, right, to create those 
opportunities for everyone 

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involved. 
So I think for me, that's kind 

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of what I would add there as far
as collaboration, my community, 

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community we're trying to build,
like one of my journeys is with 

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my mentor is build a community 
for cybersecurity specialists, 

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right? 
To learn and grow. 

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Like we don't see much of that 
out there. 

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So it's important to do that 
today. 

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You mentioned earlier about how 
male terminated the 

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cybersecurity spaces. 
There are women like yourself 

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who are making strides. 
So what's your message to the 

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young women out there who are 
trying to break into that space 

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of cybersecurity? 
My first and foremost message is

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you belong here, right? 
You belong here, don't let 

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stereotypes or self doubt hold 
you back because that's in your 

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mind, right? 
Don't let the doubts fear you 

460
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:45,720
and your unique perspective is 
your strength. 

461
00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:51,640
Always know that, right? 
Speak mentorship, stay curious. 

462
00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:55,120
I think for me, never stop 
learning, right? 

463
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:58,520
Constantly learn. 
You know, the tech world needs 

464
00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:01,360
more women. 
I I truly believe that who are 

465
00:27:01,360 --> 00:27:05,640
ready to be innovative, lead and
inspire the next generation, you

466
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:10,320
know, but believe in yourself. 
You got it. 

467
00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:13,080
Follow what you have. 
That's what I was saying. 

468
00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:15,400
I'll just say one more time, you
belong here, you know. 

469
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:20,040
But you have beautiful career 
around protecting what matters 

470
00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:25,560
the most, and that is data, 
people and purpose. 

471
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:29,520
So how do you see cybersecurity 
evolving over the next five 

472
00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:31,280
years? 
You know, I think cybersecurity 

473
00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:34,920
will become more proactive and 
AI driven with advancements and 

474
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:37,560
machine learning, right, 
enabling real time threat 

475
00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:39,880
detection in response. 
That's kind of what I say. 

476
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:43,760
I think the focus is going to 
ship shift towards predictive 

477
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:47,480
analytics, right? 
Automation, more zero trust or 

478
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:50,760
architects to counter 
increasingly sophisticated cyber

479
00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:52,160
attacks. 
You're going to need it, right? 

480
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:55,280
The next element of that, it's 
going to be quantum computing, 

481
00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:57,240
right? 
I think that's going to play a 

482
00:27:57,240 --> 00:28:00,280
pivotal role, like both as a 
challenge, but as an 

483
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:02,960
opportunity. 
I was just at the Cybersecurity 

484
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:06,040
Summit 2-3 weeks ago and they 
were talking a lot about 

485
00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:08,360
quantum, right? 
It's going to be driving the 

486
00:28:08,360 --> 00:28:12,160
need for quantum resistant 
encryption while opening doors 

487
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:15,040
to faster and more efficient 
data processing, right? 

488
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:17,920
We see it today. 
It's incredible, right? 

489
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:19,680
So I think that's what you're 
going to say, right? 

490
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:24,760
I think innovation and trends 
that excite me and a lot of it 

491
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:29,080
is the things that you can do 
today. 

492
00:28:29,360 --> 00:28:36,280
The technology is so advanced 
that it's a game changer, right?

493
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:39,280
You know, it's can automate 
anything. 

494
00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:42,840
You can automate anything today.
Think about that where it took 

495
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:46,520
maybe 30 people to process 
filing your taxes, I don't know,

496
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:48,440
right? 
You know, you press a button and

497
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:52,360
it's done in seconds, right? 
So think about the revolution 

498
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:55,320
and the encryption, the data, 
you know, the transformation of 

499
00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:56,920
that, right? 
The evolution of it all. 

500
00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:01,680
You know, how we, how are we 
going to data? 

501
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:04,680
How are we going to resolve, I 
guess, you know, problem solve, 

502
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:06,480
you know, at an unprecedented 
scale? 

503
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:08,840
You know, I think that's where 
it really is. 

504
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:11,440
You know, I think that's what 
excites me and what I'm going to

505
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:15,760
see and evolve to, right? 
I think that's tremendous, 

506
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:20,080
actually. 
Yeah, The capacity of AI is 

507
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:24,000
really, really massive. 
We'll see what the future holds,

508
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:27,360
you know, Speaking of what the 
future holds looking ahead, 

509
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:31,080
right? 
What do you think you want to 

510
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:35,400
achieve with your company in the
foreseeable future? 

511
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:37,560
You know, every year as a 
company, he sits out and you 

512
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:40,240
say, OK, what's my strategy for 
next year, right? 

513
00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:43,320
That's that's very important to 
do now where you want to go? 

514
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:47,080
So that question, it's one that 
I kind of contemplate very hard.

515
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:50,200
But I think for Cardinals bites 
for the company, right? 

516
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:52,120
The focus on community 
education. 

517
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:54,400
You know, we're committed to 
giving back to the community by 

518
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:56,520
mentoring young women. 
And I think that's going to be 

519
00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:59,240
my drive this year, right? 
Even more so than it was last 

520
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:00,960
year. 
And driving cybersecurity 

521
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:04,040
education, I think, you know, 
aiming to educate small 

522
00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:08,880
businesses one at a time, one at
a time, right, on proactive 

523
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:11,640
cybersecurity measures is 
another focus that I have for 

524
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:15,520
the future, you know, and then 
obviously engaging in podcasts 

525
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:19,600
like this, right, Putting it 
out, creating webinars, you 

526
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:20,960
know, getting more information 
out. 

527
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:25,320
Yeah, getting the information 
out like, you know, on social 

528
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:29,080
media and leveraging and raising
awareness is really kind of what

529
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:32,760
I want to do. 
And sharing actual insights and 

530
00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:34,920
then AI driven initiatives, 
right? 

531
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:38,040
We're developing AI powered 
programs to enhance risk 

532
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:41,920
assessments by utilizing the 
models that you know, in the 

533
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:46,440
frameworks of NIST ISO 7 
hundreds and the miter attack to

534
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:49,080
identify those gaps. 
And the program will automate 

535
00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:51,400
compliance reviews and 
streamline those protocols, 

536
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:54,040
right, ensuring businesses 
remain aligned to regulatory 

537
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:56,280
compliance. 
So it's another focus that I 

538
00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:58,960
have this year. 
But again, I think my biggest 

539
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:01,440
focus will be building cyber 
awareness through the 

540
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:03,720
communities, right? 
And then my next book. 

541
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:07,880
Ha ha ha. 
Yeah, definitely. 

542
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:12,040
We can't wait for that. 
But we know you're a very busy 

543
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:16,360
woman and we have less than 5 
minutes with you and we are 

544
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:20,320
gonna take you through 5 quick 
fire round questions. 

545
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:23,200
Are you ready to rumble? 
Hey. 

546
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:28,320
Sam, just a quick. 
Just a quick answer number 11 

547
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:30,680
mindset mantra that keep you 
going. 

548
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:34,200
This must be quick, right on 
your choices, embrace resilience

549
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:37,760
and live with a purpose. 
OK, that's cool. 

550
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:42,560
Number two, favorite 
cybersecurity myth you love to 

551
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:44,680
bust? 
Small businesses aren't just 

552
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:47,040
targeted cyber criminals love 
easy wins. 

553
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:52,880
I like that number three book 
that changed your thinking, your

554
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:58,520
mindset, basically book. 
I want to say Atomic Habits by 

555
00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:01,080
James Clear, right? 
It's all about. 

556
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:03,360
Small do you know? 
You're the 2nd guest? 

557
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:05,720
You're the 2nd guest measured in
that, Boo. 

558
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:09,080
Good book. 
Whoa, it's a great book. 

559
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:11,000
Yep, it's about small changes, 
right? 

560
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:12,720
Creating big results. 
That's what it's about. 

561
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:16,360
Wow, that's great. 
Second guess in the span of, I 

562
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:22,160
think a week or two #4 what's, 
what's something you wish every 

563
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:24,600
small business owner knew about 
risk? 

564
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:28,400
I think for me it's probably 
ignoring cybersecurity risk that

565
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:30,960
can question everything, right? 
Prevention is always cheaper 

566
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:35,000
than recovery, right? 
Be proactive, not reactive. 

567
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:36,400
You don't want to be in that 
space. 

568
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:38,400
You don't want to. 
You don't want to turn on your 

569
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:41,160
computer and have a black screen
or your websites go down. 

570
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:43,520
And I'm going to just share it. 
I know it's supposed to be a 

571
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:47,920
quick round. 
I had a client of mine when 

572
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:53,760
known web host was attacked last
year. 300 of his websites went 

573
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:56,760
down for four days. 
He was four days of business. 

574
00:32:57,240 --> 00:33:02,000
So think about it. 
Right, that sounds stressful. 

575
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:04,160
Stressful. 
Yeah. 

576
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:07,120
I'm sweating already if you're 
in that. 

577
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:13,960
Yeah. 
You know what the 5th and final 

578
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:17,520
one is? 
One word to describe your legacy

579
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:19,360
in the making. 
I have a word on my mind. 

580
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:22,840
I I have a word but I don't know
if that's the word I want to 

581
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:24,680
use. 
I'm trying to describe it best I

582
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:26,160
guess. 
Empowerment, right? 

583
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:30,480
One word would be empowerment. 
Empowerment. 

584
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:32,440
Know my word. 
What's your word? 

585
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:35,920
Impact. 
Impact. 

586
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:38,880
Nice. 
I'll take that one. 

587
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:40,120
It's a good word. 
Whoa. 

588
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:43,960
So you take my word away. 
Why not? 

589
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:47,680
It gives your word. 
Yeah, well, I'm going to 

590
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:50,120
disagree. 
Literally, literally, it's my 

591
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:52,800
word, I guess your word. 
Wow, wow, wow. 

592
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:56,280
It's it's it's been quite a a 
great session today. 

593
00:33:56,280 --> 00:34:00,040
I always love to see an attitude
of gratitude is good attitude. 

594
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:03,120
And if someone shares their time
with you, means are sharing 

595
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:06,360
their life with you. 
So thank you very much for 

596
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:11,000
sharing your time and of course,
your life with me and my 

597
00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:13,440
audience. 
Love and respect to you. 

598
00:34:14,679 --> 00:34:16,320
All the. 
Way from the other side of the 

599
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:17,840
pond. 
Thank you very much. 

600
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:21,840
And of course, to the viewers, 
please, like, subscribe, share, 

601
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:29,440
you know, just make this the, 
the, this podcast go right to 

602
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:32,679
the faces, the eyes or the 
people that need to see it. 

603
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:35,440
And of course, I'll keep working
tirelessly to bring in 

604
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:40,920
fantastic, tremendous, wonderful
individuals like Michelle Novak.

605
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:44,600
Because remember, Michelle Novak
cannot go back. 

606
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:49,120
Love it, It's by Harvey. 
Yeah.