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beginning, your body of work, 
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fighting out of Brazil, 
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Big welcome. 
Jennifer Kane, Burt Moss. 

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Less insights. 
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So sit back, relax while I give 
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So today we have the privilege 
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leader who's carriers pants the 
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world's most influential health 
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stage of improv committee. 
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the Gates Foundation's Medicines
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millions of lives. 
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Conservatory, proving that 
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make welcome. 
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Thank you so the for the 
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introduction. 
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Wow, you are welcome, and of 
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I'm not one of those people. 
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people or patients truly find 
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where I can help people truly. 
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global foreign brand for malaria
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the, the new policy of cutting 
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insecticides next that you guys 
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impactful. 
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malaria venture, we discover, we
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research, we develop and then we
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do a lot of partnerships there. 
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if, again, what a great small 
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on is the the programs of works 
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outreaches, the educational 
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workshops, right? 
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distribution of drugs, but 
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much tell you to my heart of the
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a man a fish, he fed him for a 
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systemic environmental 
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lives. 
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exciting to see the commitment 
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children, which is important, 
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medicines don't like to treat. 
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woman is pregnant, we've been 
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and that's that's the right way 
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of infant development is 
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malaria at those times, then 
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baby that's being developed in 
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protecting that unborn child as 
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womb. 
You don't know how our pathways 

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interesting conversations like 
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change. 
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massive global commitment for 
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malaria. 
So the power of the individual 

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to have vision, to gather 
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to, you know, to, to, to have 
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it's crazy how much power, you 
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from Bible schools saying 
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gives you a vision, he will make
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it and trust. 
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provision, you know, you just 
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power of an individual is 
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and, you know, showing up that 
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teams, teamwork makes a dream 
work, But it's started with, you

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know, the vision of that one 
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But God had to make the 
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and people and, you know, places
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up together to to make it 
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And you know, God, or for 
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the God that unites us all is 
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individual, but it's the 
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channelled through that which is
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So we are, you know, these 
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us in mysterious ways. 
What happen in in this world? 

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Wow, so nice. 
Lead up to becoming a Co founder

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of Weaver Friendly. 
I think this, this desire, 

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passion, vision for impacts in 
global health. 

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I'm not exactly sure the origin 
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It was always there. 
And some of it has to do with, I

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was involved in some form of 
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patient advocacy, health policy,
patient advocacy, We were all 

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involved or activism, really 
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others, in the service of the 
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patient themselves. 
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young age, I was exposed to that
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continue to drive that red 
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And so like I said, you know, 
you asked this beautiful 

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question, which is, you know, 
what are the things that drove 

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each of those career decisions 
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And I think the ability to drive
that impact and also the ability

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to learn. 
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decisions. 
Yes, no, yes, no to each of 

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those twists and turns of my own
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And when I was given the 
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of this company, Viva Valet, 
which is a digital health 

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company that serves older 
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absolutely a no brainer. 
It was completely clear that I 

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should do this. 
Perhaps I was a little afraid 

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and which made me think even 
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who can't really help themselves
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support. 
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roll up all my experience, maybe
my, you know, hard earned scars 

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and my wisdom through the work 
and global health and find a way

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to apply those learnings into 
helping older adults who are 

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living at home and wish to live 
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And finding ways to continue to 
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or digital, that can support 
them so that they can live at 

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home independently, with dignity
and with confidence. 

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Well, I, I, I love that word 
dignity. 

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Nobody in life deserves to lose 
their dignity regardless. 

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Gallus Award is that they have 
done or hasn't done to them. 

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Nobody deserves to lose their 
dignity. 

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But in a world of rigid 
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you balance policy expertise 
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real change? 
Yeah, so I can even give an 

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example of having worked in, you
come originally from Nigeria. 

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I've spent time in, I've spent 
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I was there and I was working 
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your Ministry of Defense 
supporting them in actually 

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looking at health system policy 
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deliver what they wish to 
deliver. 

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Let me explain. 
So he said, you're right because

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these things are a little 
complicated, but let's make them

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very clear. 
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system is complicated and 
there's a lot of things that you

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need to do that's inside the 
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lot of moving parts. 
If you know, you know. 

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What the outcome is. 
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especially like when I spoke 
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Minister of Health and I was 
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the Ministry of Defense who were
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system for the, for the 
military. 

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I really had them think about 
what is it ultimately that they 

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want to achieve? 
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should we spend? 
How many doctors do we need? 

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How many hospitals do we need? 
How many clinics do we need? 

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How many, how many, how many, 
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means, what are the inputs that 
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What's the investment we're 
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Well, we need to make 
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But I think before you do that, 
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do we want to go? 
Where's the destination? 

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And that destination could be, 
I'm making it up, making it up. 

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But it could be, for example, I 
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percent. 
I want to reduce malaria deaths 

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by 80% of my country. 
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transmission by 50%. 
And I want you know that to 

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therefore have a 70% chance of 
reduce the chance of five year 

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olds and under dying from 
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Or I wish to create a program 
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disease like diabetes to have an
increase in testing, to have a 

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reduction in in disease or have 
a reduction in amputations, 

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which is often an unfortunate 
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patient that's not managed well 
who has diabetes. 

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So you look at ultimately what 
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and then you start to pull it 
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For that reality to be true, 
that outcome to be true, we have

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to start pulling it back. 
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needed to receive the right 
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They needed to receive the right
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The malaria patient needed the 
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seven days of receiving their 
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That means that we needed to get
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We needed to have a clinic that 
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some way for them to have a 
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remote. 
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We need to make sure that our 
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things. 
So we need to either help with 

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literacy, help with education on
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to make diagnostic health 
seeking behavior, educational 

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information about how to seek 
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accessible for everyone, 
language, culture, appropriate, 

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etcetera. 
We have to pull it all the way 

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back and then we say, all right,
what are those things going to 

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cost? 
Then we can start investing in 

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the cost to run that program for
the diagnostics, the cost to run

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the program for the physicians 
and the nurses and their and the

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Regional Health ministries and 
the remote distribution of bed 

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Nets and the remote distribution
of of treatments into these real

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clinics. 
So we pull it back that way. 

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So you're right, there's a lot 
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And I think always if we think 
about what's the end stop on our

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train, we're taking a train of 
for health, what's the last stop

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on that road we're going to. 
Then once we get there, we 

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arrive there and we think where 
do we get? 

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How do, what do we have to do to
get there first? 

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Yeah, you remind me of the MDGs 
and the SDGS, you know. 

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Exactly. 
Looking at a certain toll goals 

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and starting with the end in 
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say? 
Medical goal maybe we could be 

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the SDGS, it could be the MDGs 
or it could be some other like 

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rightly Rice a normal global 
medical goals have you seen or 

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worked on and you are impressed 
with the with the quality of 

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work that was done to achieve 
that particular goal. 

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So that's actually not so long 
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diseases. 
And rare diseases are very 

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special because very often it 
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means you don't have so many of 
them in a population. 

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As the name implies. 
As the name implies, there's not

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so many people who have that 
disease and so it's often very 

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difficult to provide access and 
treatment in a comprehensive way

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for people who have that rare 
disease. 

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I was involved in being a leader
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consortium and we donated 
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We were able to disseminate, 
distribute and make accessible 

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drugs to treat haemophilia. 
Again, that's like 95% of those 

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patients are men and usually 
young men who are young boys, 

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teenagers, early 20s. 
We were really working hard to 

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make sure that those kids could 
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they could actually. 
Yeah. 

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So that was the program in like,
what, 35 different countries? 

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And I actually got to go and do 
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Hemophilia Federation in Kenya 
as well. 

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So that was really inspiring 
because it doesn't matter if 

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you're a rich person, if you're 
a poor person, if you're 

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educated, if you're not. 
Hemophilia doesn't know. 

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Class or highly vulnerable like 
that's what's disturbing to me. 

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Like if you get a cop like yes, 
it means your your life could 

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end. 
Like how now I'm I'm curious 

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like how do you support them? 
Like what is it that you do to 

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help them is in lifestyle 
changes and you know what it it 

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can happen. 
Yeah, so, so a person and man is

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generally it's a male disease. 
They're born without a clotting 

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factor, a factor 8. 
So you asked me about hemophilia

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so and you were saying, you 
know, it's it's a disease where 

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person is born without a 
clotting factor factor 8 that 

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allows them to have a blood clot
if they have a cut, like you 

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said, or if they have even a 
bump or bruise. 

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So you're saying that someone 
could die because they might 

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hemorrhage, they might eat out. 
That's very possible. 

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The other thing that was really 
terrible special for these young

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boys is that their joints, you 
know, just because you're, you 

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know, you're playing football, 
you're living an active life, 

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you're a kid, you're playing, 
you may bump your elbow and your

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knee or your ankle. 
And that bump would with Someone

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Like You and me who have a 
adequate factor 8 will it'll 

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clot internally and it's no big 
deal. 

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So maybe you get a bruise, but 
basically it's still healing 

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those kids or those people. 
The blood will continue to fill 

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into the joint and it could 
damage the joint. 

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And so it could make moving very
difficult and limit their 

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ability to walk around. 
And So what I would visit with 

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several of these kids in Kenya, 
many of them had had major 

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attacks like this where their 
joints were having lots of pain 

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and they had to walk with a, 
they had to be carried or they 

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had to walk with a stick. 
And So what we were doing in our

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program is we were providing the
medicines that helped them avoid

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having those major crises so and
would help them survive into 

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adulthood so they can have a 
healthy life. 

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And I think constantly what we 
see is that we have consistent 

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evolution of innovation that 
brings new medicines to these 

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patients that will help them 
live longer and live healthier 

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and less painful. 
And so as as you, you know, help

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them survive into these older 
years already the technology 

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jumps and jumps and jumps and is
more heat stable and is more 

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long acting and is really 
helping patients have a better 

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life. 
So that we're very happy to have

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been a part of that in Africa. 
I guess for the first time on 

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this broadcast, I've had to shed
a tear because what are you 

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talking about just reminded me 
of a traumatic experience. 

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I had a friend in secondary 
school, God rest his soul. 

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His name is Uriyami Atali and 
very, very brilliant individual 

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and I don't know if he probably 
was suffering from Timothy 

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there, but last I heard of him 
worse, he want to play football,

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sustain an injury and. 
I'm so sorry that you lost him, 

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especially at such a young age. 
So an early life lost. 

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And for you especially a friend 
who is clearly special for you 

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that you lost so young. 
I'm so sorry that you 

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experienced that and you lost 
him. 

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Between the side and trust me, 
this, this person was brilliant,

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very, very right. 
It's crazy. 

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People used to think myself and 
him would end up becoming sports

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journalists. 
Of course we we'd love football 

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so much. 
We love to analyse sports. 

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I know. 
Can I call myself a journalist? 

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00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:55,320
Of course you have a podcast. 
You're officially a journalist, 

455
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:58,160
Yes. 
And then we can talk about 

456
00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:00,200
sports, you and me, and then 
we'll talk. 

457
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:02,640
We'll officially, we'll both be 
sports journalists on your 

458
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:06,000
podcast today. 
OK, OK, yeah, let's bring the 

459
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:10,000
childhood dreams 3 But prayers 
for the memory of the dead. 

460
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:14,360
God rest his soul. 
It's, it's sad to see right 

461
00:28:14,360 --> 00:28:20,560
prospects die young because of 
inadequate medical expertise or 

462
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:24,800
attention. 
But really it's, it's easy to 

463
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:30,440
say if you have not met a human 
being that has gone through that

464
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:35,560
particular experience, but when 
you know a human being that's 

465
00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:38,480
gone through that experience, it
hits a home run for you. 

466
00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:42,920
Back to what I've said from the 
beginning, your body of work, 

467
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:48,480
the work, you know, you guys do 
in the health sector, you know, 

468
00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:51,360
public health, I do not take it 
for granted, you know, I 

469
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:53,520
appreciate it very, very, very 
much. 

470
00:28:54,160 --> 00:29:01,960
And the, the work is actually a 
function of leadership strategy 

471
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:06,680
to achieve impact. 
So from the boardroom to the 

472
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:10,240
classroom at Intel, you've 
actually influenced that leaders

473
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:12,640
worldwide. 
So what core leadership 

474
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:17,640
principles do you believe 
translates, you know, across the

475
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:18,840
industries that you've worked 
with? 

476
00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:23,160
Let me make sure I understand 
your question correctly. 

477
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:26,400
What are the things I'm teaching
at the university that I learned

478
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:30,480
from? 
Yes, a mix of both, right? 

479
00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:34,040
That is, we can add the 
leadership, right? 

480
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:37,720
But leadership comes with 
strategy, right? 

481
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:41,880
And of course, there are 
leadership philosophies, right? 

482
00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:45,800
And of course, you have that 
academic background, right? 

483
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:51,120
And definitely it has an impact 
on your leadership role in 

484
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:54,000
industry. 
So yeah, how do you marry that? 

485
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:58,560
And which are which would I say 
strategies to your adopt, which 

486
00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:01,800
are philosophies to your adopt? 
Yeah. 

487
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:04,880
So strategy, how do I use 
strategy in my job and how does 

488
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:06,720
that, how does academia inspire 
me? 

489
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:12,280
I think it's consistently having
a culture of the learning and I 

490
00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:16,920
will challenge you, my friend, 
to say that I think that, you 

491
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:19,520
know, we talk about is it 
strategy as a leader, are you, 

492
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:21,640
you know, do you own strategy? 
Yes. 

493
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:25,080
And even more even on top of 
strategy is a leader, you're 

494
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:29,760
owning culture. 
And so the culture, a culture, 

495
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:33,080
what we say eats strategy for 
breakfast, right? 

496
00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:35,160
So as a leader, you have you're 
in charge of. 

497
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:37,880
Yeah, it's true. 
So we. 

498
00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:42,200
I'm going to compel my friends 
to watch to watch this episode, 

499
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:47,160
OK, because there is something I
always say that is eat it 

500
00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:50,360
something from. 
Breakfast culture is true for 

501
00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:54,440
breakfast. 
And you know as a leader you 

502
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:58,400
bring the weather in every room 
you enter. 

503
00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:03,080
So does that mean are you, 
excuse me, you have a choice 

504
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:08,200
every day as a leader, you can 
arrive sunny, you can arrive 

505
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:11,960
cloudy, you can arrive 
rainstorm, you can arrive a 

506
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:14,600
snowstorm, you can arrive 
lightning. 

507
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:17,560
You know, you choose what's the 
weather that you're bringing. 

508
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:20,880
And that's another kind of 
metaphor for what's the culture 

509
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:24,680
that you're going to create. 
Very often culture you don't. 

510
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:29,360
It's difficult to see and 
identify it because you're 

511
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:32,960
inside of it. 
So like a fish that's swimming 

512
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:36,480
inside of a fishbowl, does a 
fish know that it's swimming in 

513
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:40,000
water? 
Fish is probably unaware of the 

514
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:43,360
water it's swimming in. 
So it's like you and I were were

515
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:46,680
immersed in our culture. 
And culture would be things like

516
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:52,840
the collection of the ways of 
working, or the language that we

517
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:57,240
use together, or the lexicon 
even that we use, or the rituals

518
00:31:57,240 --> 00:32:01,840
and habits that we have on a 
daily basis, or the symbols or 

519
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:04,200
symbols we use to identify who 
we are. 

520
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:08,560
Your lingo, Your Dragons. 
Our values so those are all the 

521
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:11,720
collection of what makes up a 
culture and then that once you 

522
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:15,240
have that culture and you are 
operating inside your culture 

523
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:18,360
linked to your mission and 
vision of where you're going, 

524
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:21,040
what's your North star, what you
want to accomplish, then you 

525
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:23,560
connect your strategy to 
achieving that. 

526
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:27,920
And so I think as a leader, 
we're in charge of all of those 

527
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:33,640
things as founders, as C-Suite. 
And I think also truthfully, 

528
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:37,920
it's leadership in every moment 
because there are people who are

529
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:42,920
appointed as a title leader. 
And I think actually leadership 

530
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:47,160
is something that's just that 
dispersed through everyone and 

531
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:51,160
that you have a moment to be a 
leader every single day, even if

532
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:52,680
you don't have the title of 
leader. 

533
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:56,680
So maybe the leader with capital
L, who's got the name leader in 

534
00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:59,400
their title, they're in charge 
of driving culture. 

535
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:02,240
They're in charge of driving a 
strategy which is towards that 

536
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:03,800
North star that they want to 
achieve. 

537
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:08,160
And everyone has a role to be a 
leader every given moment, to 

538
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:11,520
step up in the moment of 
requirement, to do the thing 

539
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:14,200
that is important and is to do 
the right thing. 

540
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:17,320
I like that. 
You know, for, for me, I, I 

541
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:20,760
really don't like titles, right?
Because, yeah, leadership for me

542
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:24,120
is more about leading by 
example, collaborative 

543
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:28,840
leadership. 
What's important is not the 

544
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:32,440
example of your power, but the 
power of your example, right? 

545
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:37,600
To think about it, if your 
example is powerful, people 

546
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:41,840
always take your example so you 
don't have to boss people 

547
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:45,600
around. 
And that's why influence breeds 

548
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:48,880
impact, right? 
I would argue that if you have 

549
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:53,000
to boss people around, you 
actually don't have power. 

550
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:55,800
Yeah, that's the thing. 
Yeah, they are. 

551
00:33:55,800 --> 00:34:00,920
Intimidating people and people 
in my my history, you know who 

552
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:04,680
you are. 
You know who you are, right? 

553
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:08,880
If you acted like that in a room
in front of me or my colleagues 

554
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:12,960
or in front of hundreds of 
people, you actually didn't have

555
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:16,000
power at all. 
You were afraid and you were 

556
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:19,800
acting out of fear. 
And those were behaviors that 

557
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:22,679
were from your own fear inside, 
sadly. 

558
00:34:22,679 --> 00:34:25,480
So I kind of want to, I kind of 
want to hold them and say you're

559
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:29,000
OK, even though they might have 
done me dirty or done a whole 

560
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:32,120
bunch of people I know dirty, 
but they would stand in front of

561
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:36,239
a room intimidating people. 
That's because they have a fear 

562
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:39,639
inside and so. 
Not now you have earned you. 

563
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:42,199
And by respect, I'll, I'll tell,
I'll tell you something. 

564
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:43,040
You. 
You've. 

565
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:45,639
Earned it. 
You've earned it. 

566
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:49,360
I will unlock it. 
Well, thank you. 

567
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:51,960
And I have to say, I'm not a 
woman of faith yet. 

568
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:53,719
I'm a woman who's extremely 
spiritual. 

569
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:57,680
And I relate to this idea of the
spirit that's channeling through

570
00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:00,320
all of us. 
And I, but I look to you as a 

571
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:04,040
man of faith and I, you know, 
from the scripts that you read 

572
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:07,640
and the text that you read and 
the practice and your, you know,

573
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:10,640
culture of faith, you know, I do
believe it's all about living 

574
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:13,560
with love. 
And so love your enemy, even if 

575
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:16,480
your enemy happens to be that 
really mean boss who made you 

576
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:18,680
cry before the meeting and made 
you stand up in front of 

577
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:20,400
everybody and pretend you are 
crying. 

578
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:23,960
Love them and forgive them 
because they're just afraid. 

579
00:35:24,720 --> 00:35:29,400
Just love them and then know 
that you're going to keep going 

580
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:30,680
forward and doing the right 
thing. 

581
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:34,120
Yeah, you know something. 
But I, I always feel sorry for 

582
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:36,320
those kind of people. 
I pity you, right? 

583
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:39,640
Because I, I, I see this right 
in the real world. 

584
00:35:40,720 --> 00:35:44,000
In the real world. 
There is something as karma. 

585
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:46,560
I do believe in karma. 
I am the predator and you're the

586
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:48,400
prey. 
I do believe in the. 

587
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:51,440
Real world I. 
Believe in karma and I've seen 

588
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:57,040
karma that those individuals, 
you know who you are. 

589
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:02,200
You know, you know that you can 
only make threats. 

590
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:05,360
When it's coming for. 
You when there's security there 

591
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:08,320
to save you. 
So I think the point is where 

592
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:10,600
you're you're going to pay, 
where do you pay? 

593
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:13,080
Do you pay upfront or do you pay
afterwards? 

594
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:16,240
I think it might be more painful
if you're paying afterwards 

595
00:36:16,240 --> 00:36:21,800
because you're going to in the 
process of falling from grace. 

596
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:26,800
I think then that's when the 
karma comes is yeah. 

597
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:29,040
And karma. 
Only from status. 

598
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:32,120
I think that's really, it is 
like if you've had that big job 

599
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:37,640
L with a leader with a capital L
in your title, eventually your 

600
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:41,240
job is going to leave you. 
You might leave the job, but the

601
00:36:41,240 --> 00:36:45,400
job is also going to leave you. 
And those, the status that you 

602
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:48,280
have in that role is also going 
to leave you. 

603
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:51,120
And you better get right with 
who you are inside. 

604
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:54,360
Because if you're not, all those
things that you never dealt with

605
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:57,800
are coming back and. 
It's big time. 

606
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:02,320
And so for those people that I 
know, they're going to get their

607
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:05,800
due, they're going to get their 
chance at dealing with all this 

608
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:09,240
reckoning. 
I love you, I forgive you, and 

609
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:12,240
you have your chance at 
experiencing your own pain. 

610
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:15,240
Yeah. 
Well, Speaking of breakfast, you

611
00:37:15,240 --> 00:37:19,120
know, there was a guy from some 
country, I'm not going to 

612
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:22,160
mention a country. 
And he was telling me how, you 

613
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:25,480
know, that I'm a gangster from 
this place. 

614
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:29,920
I'm like, OK, interesting. 
It's a country in Europe. 

615
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:32,920
I told him, hey, bro, I've been 
to your country. 

616
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:37,760
I've been to the capital of that
country and I I know, I know the

617
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:40,200
gangsters from there, right? 
You can't trust me. 

618
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:43,240
But have you been to my country?
He said no. 

619
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:46,040
Like you've been to Lagos, 
right? 

620
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:48,680
Yeah, I told me. 
I told you something. 

621
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:52,240
Do you know what we do in Lagos?
In Lagos, Nigeria? 

622
00:37:52,240 --> 00:37:56,360
We eat gangsters for breakfast. 
You can ask Jennifer. 

623
00:37:56,360 --> 00:38:00,920
She's been there. 
Yes they do. 

624
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:03,720
In Lagos, we eat gangsters with 
the. 

625
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:07,600
Side of okra soup I've seen. 
It I'm telling you. 

626
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:11,640
With the side of okra soup and 
maybe a plate full of garden 

627
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:16,000
slug, it's a. 
Thing be careful. 

628
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:19,400
Be careful. 
All the cool kids in Legos are 

629
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:23,200
having that for breakfast, so. 
I'm, I'm telling you like, OK, 

630
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:26,040
don't, don't play. 
Don't play with the people that 

631
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:28,840
are represented by this flag. 
Never, never. 

632
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:32,760
No, I agree. 
It's never a good idea. 

633
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:36,080
It's never a good idea. 
It's we only end in tears. 

634
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:38,960
Yes. 
This is nice. 

635
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:40,640
You're having a good time here, 
right? 

636
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:43,280
Oh wow, I wish I had this side 
of Aqua soup. 

637
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:45,880
You know, it's it's delicious. 
So. 

638
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:48,600
I will. 
I have to confess, I did eat it 

639
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:51,800
on several occasions. 
Oh wow, So what was your best 

640
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:54,400
food today? 
I don't enjoy it. 

641
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:56,120
You don't enjoy Aqua, No. 
I have. 

642
00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:59,400
I have to be very honest. 
Yeah, I love the honesty. 

643
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:01,280
I didn't. 
I didn't eat Aqua. 

644
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:04,720
It wasn't just I tasted it once 
I had I had many bowls because I

645
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:06,560
I love. 
I think that's part of what's 

646
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:10,040
the exciting part about visiting
other cultures is did you? 

647
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:12,320
Try the seafood option Seafood 
Aqua. 

648
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:13,600
What? 
What did you try? 

649
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:18,000
The seafood Aqua? 
No, I only had just the good old

650
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:20,480
so fried okra. 
Give it to me day and night. 

651
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:24,040
I can't get enough of it. 
Fried, fried okra, yes, please, 

652
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:27,640
I'll eat it right now. 
Okra soup again, I had multiple 

653
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:30,880
bowls of it and multiple days 
and multiple meals thinking, oh,

654
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:32,800
well, maybe it was just this 
restaurant that I didn't like or

655
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:34,120
maybe at this place I didn't 
like. 

656
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:39,520
It wasn't my preference because 
the way that the consistency, 

657
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:41,240
the way that it. 
You know. 

658
00:39:41,720 --> 00:39:45,760
Taste is OK, but it's the way 
that it's kind of gelatinous. 

659
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:49,440
Yeah. 
Deli or slime, It's kind of a 

660
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:51,280
slime. 
I mean, you know, it's kind of a

661
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:56,160
slimy soup, so I didn't love it,
but what I did enjoy, I really 

662
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:59,440
enjoyed having the slugs. 
I thought it was great, like I 

663
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:01,920
had a whole plate, many plates 
of slugs. 

664
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:05,600
I lot thought they were 
fantastic And please help me 

665
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:07,080
remind me. 
I think it's. 

666
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:12,960
I want the I can see. 
White like porridge that's dry, 

667
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:17,920
that you serve, that's. 
Oh, pounded yam. 

668
00:40:18,720 --> 00:40:20,080
Yes. 
Oh God, yes. 

669
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:22,480
I. 
Literally eat. 

670
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:24,040
I could eat that every single 
day. 

671
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:25,600
It was slow. 
The pounded yam. 

672
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:28,960
That is a dope. 
Oh, I could have eaten that and 

673
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:30,600
I still could. 
Like, I could eat that today. 

674
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:32,160
I wouldn't. 
Like, I would have ordered that 

675
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:35,560
right now. 
I was so good, yeah. 

676
00:40:35,720 --> 00:40:39,480
I have a doctor friend of mine 
and you know, like, what are two

677
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:42,400
other food one day And he was 
like, oh man, I don't want to 

678
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:44,000
eat pounded Yum. 
It's got so much, so much 

679
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:46,400
calories. 
It's going to make me feel 

680
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:49,400
heavy. 
So for a minute, what's tell me 

681
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:53,360
I'm just going to. 
Audit, it tastes nice. 

682
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:57,520
It's like comfort food. 
It's in the American South. 

683
00:40:57,520 --> 00:40:59,800
We have foods that we call 
comfort food, which are all 

684
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:03,640
about like the potatoes with the
fried foods. 

685
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:07,320
So the pound of yam is like 
Nigerian comfort food. 

686
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:10,840
Like I would imagine it's the 
thing that like mom, please make

687
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:13,920
me pounded yam because I'm going
to feel loved. 

688
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:16,440
I'm going to feel I'm going to 
feel cared for by you and I'm 

689
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:20,080
going to feel cozy. 
So give me that food like 

690
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:22,720
that's, that's the food. 
It's good. 

691
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:26,520
Did you try jollof rice? 
Which? 

692
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:30,040
Jollof Rice. 
I may have, I don't recall. 

693
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:33,720
The rice that is. 
Yeah, it's red. 

694
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:38,080
It's just like, yeah. 
Oh yes, Oh my gosh, yes, so 

695
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:41,720
good. 
Like every everybody likes that.

696
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:43,840
So good. 
I wonder why do I only give you 

697
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:45,360
awkward soup? 
But how about ecracy? 

698
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:48,400
Did you ever try something 
called Ecosy? 

699
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:51,600
It's like yellow with like green
leaves. 

700
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:52,840
It's a. 
Soup. 

701
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:56,800
Yeah, Yes. 
The yellow one, that one, it has

702
00:41:57,040 --> 00:41:58,760
a good consistency. 
It's. 

703
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:01,280
Yeah, the texture is. 
Yeah, I really like that too. 

704
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:03,880
I could eat a lot of that. 
The grape veggies like. 

705
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:05,520
Super. 
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 

706
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:07,600
Veggies. 
And then there's another one 

707
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:10,960
called an FRB row. 
That one is just yeah, green 

708
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:13,440
veggies. 
It's a pretty much a mixture of 

709
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:16,720
vegetables and it can be quite 
hot. 

710
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:19,200
You know, a lot of the things 
are spicy, so like, how do you 

711
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:23,640
cope with a spice? 
You just have a piece of bread 

712
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:26,800
nearby and you smile really 
large. 

713
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:32,520
Really something I brought back 
was the dried meat that was 

714
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:37,400
super spiced. 
Like so good, so good. 

715
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:39,720
On the road back I need to have 
some. 

716
00:42:39,720 --> 00:42:45,440
Right now I have some. 
Have a bite, have a bite, and if

717
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:48,160
you're me, have a little piece 
of bread nearby that you can 

718
00:42:48,240 --> 00:42:51,040
dampen the pain. 
But have a bite and enjoy some. 

719
00:42:51,720 --> 00:42:53,880
Bread. 
Have some bread. 

720
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:56,400
Just be ready. 
Yeah. 

721
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:58,480
Show me the package. 
Hold it up. 

722
00:42:58,480 --> 00:42:59,320
Let's see it. 
Yeah. 

723
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:04,160
Is that? 
Wait, hold it up again. 

724
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:07,160
Is that package blue? 
Is that package? 

725
00:43:07,240 --> 00:43:12,080
Yes, it's not blue. 
It's wrapped in something blue. 

726
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:13,840
Yeah. 
That's so good. 

727
00:43:15,240 --> 00:43:16,320
That's so good. 
It's. 

728
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:17,800
This is what are you talking 
about. 

729
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:21,760
That's exactly what I'm talking.
About I'm sorry, I'm going to 

730
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:23,080
send you some. 
Yeah, yeah. 

731
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:29,080
You speak about a friend that 
you lost. 

732
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:32,200
And again, I'm sorry that you 
lost your dear friend when you 

733
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:35,120
were so young. 
And I lost a dear friend two 

734
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:39,680
years ago and he teased me about
okra soup. 

735
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:43,440
He teased me about eating it. 
He just was so absolutely 

736
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:46,480
disgusted by the description 
that I gave of him. 

737
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:49,840
I gave him of that. 
And so when you brought that 

738
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:52,720
meat out, I think I remember 
trying that meat and giving him 

739
00:43:52,720 --> 00:43:54,000
some. 
When I came back from my dear, 

740
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:57,360
he did not appreciate it at all.
Might this dear friend of mine 

741
00:43:57,480 --> 00:44:02,160
died two years ago and he always
sends me little messages in the 

742
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:04,440
color blue. 
So for example, this book called

743
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:06,520
Solve for Happy would be a book 
you would have loved. 

744
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:08,920
He shows up to me in the color 
blue. 

745
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:11,920
And you when you pulled out the 
packaging and it was blue, I 

746
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:14,880
said, Oh my gosh, this is my 
friend giving me, you know, 

747
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:18,800
winking at me, winking at me and
laughing. 

748
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:22,880
This is him saying a little 
message of I'm here. 

749
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:26,560
So thank you for visiting. 
Thank you for visiting our 

750
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:30,040
wonderful podcast. 
And you're right, soup, miss. 

751
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:33,160
I hope you're having an open 
soup in heaven, my dear friend. 

752
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:37,320
Probably. 
Yeah, hopefully, hopefully so 

753
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:41,440
hopefully so, you know, it's 
interesting and life how like 

754
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:45,200
certain moments like give you 
certain memories. 

755
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:49,640
But it's good to be open. 
And yeah, some people think 

756
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:53,040
being open is you've been 
vulnerable, but yeah, you're all

757
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:54,800
human beings. 
Yeah, you'll be allowed to be 

758
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:57,760
vulnerable. 
Yeah, last time I checked, you 

759
00:44:57,760 --> 00:45:01,800
know, we're not machines, so. 
Yeah, exactly. 

760
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:05,400
We are. 
We are humans, emotional animals

761
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:08,880
or animals driven by emotion. 
This, this dear friend of mine 

762
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:13,160
was also a neurosurgeon and like
a brain surgeon for real life. 

763
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:16,400
Brain surgeon and the 
neuroscientist and he would say 

764
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:19,920
the brain is the only organ in 
our body that if my brain is 

765
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:23,680
sick, like if, if I, if my liver
is sick, your liver won't be 

766
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:27,800
sick, but if my brain is sick, 
your, your brain could get sick 

767
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:29,560
too. 
And so this idea of the 

768
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:32,840
connectedness we have between 
people and the vulnerability 

769
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:35,800
that we have that could actually
create vulnerability in other 

770
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:40,480
people or like we talked about 
earlier, leadership culture. 

771
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:44,360
I can bring improve the culture 
any given day. 

772
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:47,200
I can be a leader even without 
capital. 

773
00:45:47,240 --> 00:45:50,320
Li could be a leader. 
I can be as someone who spreads 

774
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:52,560
joy and brings the weather as 
well. 

775
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:59,440
Guess what? 
Speaking of neurosurgeons, this 

776
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:06,520
is August, right? 
Yes, I think on September 1 we 

777
00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:10,960
have a neurosurgeon from 
Stanford University. 

778
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:13,960
Oh wow. 
Expected to be on this podcast. 

779
00:46:14,720 --> 00:46:16,040
Okay. 
I say. 

780
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:18,400
Well, congratulations, that's so
exciting. 

781
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:20,200
I can't wait to listen to that 
episode. 

782
00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:22,880
Definitely. 
I'll let you do as soon as it's 

783
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:23,440
out. 
Yeah. 

784
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:26,760
So yeah, yeah, good luck to you.
We have that apartment. 

785
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:30,880
Well, I mean, thank you so. 
Much for having us 

786
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:34,400
interconnected, yeah. 
Everything, everything is 

787
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:36,080
connected. 
Nothing is accidental. 

788
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:38,600
Everything is by design and 
interconnected. 

789
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:40,920
So I'm so grateful that you have
me on your show. 

790
00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:44,280
So thank you so much and thank 
you for making me very envious 

791
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:46,880
about your little snack. 
Let's go. 

792
00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:51,120
Very envious, Very envious, very
envious. 

793
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:52,400
You need to receive that Jerry 
again. 

794
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:56,000
Yeah, it will happen. 
I'm absolutely certain it will 

795
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:57,680
happen. 
There's no question it will. 

796
00:46:57,680 --> 00:47:02,240
So yeah. 
But OK, my next question right 

797
00:47:02,240 --> 00:47:08,080
now is, have you ever faced 
relapse situation wherein your 

798
00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:13,960
strategy is faced with 
resistance And how did you use 

799
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:17,920
collaboration or perhaps some 
improv to turn it around? 

800
00:47:19,240 --> 00:47:24,200
I mean, strategy is only as good
as, you know, the people that 

801
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:27,160
built it and the people who can 
implement it. 

802
00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:30,360
So you might have the most 
perfect strategy and you realize

803
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:34,040
when it gets to implementation, 
you don't have the numbers, you 

804
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:36,920
don't have the resources, you 
don't have the capability. 

805
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:39,480
You know, you just when I say 
numbers, I mean numbers of 

806
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:41,440
people or the people who know 
how to do it. 

807
00:47:42,720 --> 00:47:44,840
Look at what I have on my back. 
Push through. 

808
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:48,480
Yeah, yeah, there you go. 
Exactly. 

809
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:49,920
So there's some pain. 
There might be some. 

810
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:52,200
Everyone read the the words 
behind. 

811
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:55,600
So it could be that they're all 
those things in your team are 

812
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:58,280
not capable or it could be all 
the circumstances that drove the

813
00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:01,920
strategy have changed. 
And so I think every decision we

814
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:04,840
make, we can only hope to make 
the best decision with the data 

815
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:08,160
that's in front of us, so that 
that we can only make the best 

816
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:10,600
strategy with the data that 
informs it. 

817
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:14,120
And when that data changes, so 
when the circumstances change 

818
00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:17,480
about the thing that they, the 
thing that's outside of you that

819
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:21,360
you're trying to get or grow, 
etcetera, you got to change your

820
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:23,280
strategy. 
And if you realize you've got 

821
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:26,680
the wrong people, then you need 
to fix the people, fix change, 

822
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:29,920
etcetera. 
And so the world of improv is 

823
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:34,080
very useful in that improv like 
business, same thing. 

824
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:37,320
We're both creating something 
from nothing always. 

825
00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:40,840
So you develop a strategy in 
business, you develop a business

826
00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:44,960
itself, you develop a show. 
When you're doing a show in 

827
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:48,920
improv, entertaining someone, 
you start with nothing. 

828
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:52,560
So you get the suggestions, you 
gather data from the audience, 

829
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:54,360
you gather data from the market,
whatever. 

830
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:56,240
And then you create something 
new. 

831
00:48:56,640 --> 00:49:00,360
And in order to be able to be 
creating effectively and then 

832
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:04,920
making the thing, you have to be
hyper connected with each other.

833
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:08,360
In order to be hyper connected, 
you have to trust each other, 

834
00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:11,800
you have to listen. 
And as an individual, you have 

835
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:16,640
to be hyper focused, then you 
have to listen so and you say 

836
00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:18,520
yes. 
And so you keep building 

837
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:21,640
everything as you go. 
So I think they're 100% 

838
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:25,280
interconnected. 
I have been running a comedy 

839
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:29,480
school here in Basel for the 
last four years and we perform 

840
00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:32,920
on a, on a monthly or more than 
more than more often than 

841
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:36,000
monthly basis. 
And we're often coaching senior 

842
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:39,720
executives like yourself, like 
that, your listeners on how to 

843
00:49:39,720 --> 00:49:44,480
use these tools of improv comedy
and the tools of theatre improv,

844
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:48,400
improvisational theatre to make 
something new. 

845
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:51,760
So it could be new business 
model, It could be how to have 

846
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:55,520
better executive presence. 
It could be fighting imposter 

847
00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:59,400
syndrome, which makes you feel 
so unsure or afraid. 

848
00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:02,000
Like we could talk about those 
people before who are yelling at

849
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:05,280
people in front of large groups 
of large audiences. 

850
00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:08,880
These are things that can 
fundamentally support you in 

851
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:13,080
your leadership journey. 
So I'm so grateful to be doing 

852
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:16,080
that because it's it's fun. 
It's first of all, it's fun. 

853
00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:19,440
It's just a heightened way to 
live, really. 

854
00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:23,760
I, I, I love the fact that you 
talk about impulsive syndrome, 

855
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:25,640
right? 
And when you look at the 

856
00:50:25,640 --> 00:50:30,680
Kingdom's podcast, it's all 
about #1 world's mindset. 

857
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:36,640
Yes to leadership. #3 yes. 
Inside mindset is very, very 

858
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:39,240
important to me. 
It's at the heart of the the 

859
00:50:39,240 --> 00:50:41,960
body of work that I have put 
together. 

860
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:47,000
Mindset also influences your 
storytelling, improves about 

861
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:50,640
storytelling. 
Yes, if you do basically a 

862
00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:54,920
storytelling, but not just 
storytelling, storytelling to 

863
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:57,120
create an impact. 
Yes. 

864
00:50:57,640 --> 00:50:59,760
That's what's set to your power.
But what? 

865
00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:05,320
What would you say generally 
people need to do in terms of 

866
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:10,480
their mindset to adopt A growth 
mindset so that they can succeed

867
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:13,120
at anything that they do in 
their lives, whether it's a 

868
00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:18,840
business or sports, whatever it 
is that you do, Yeah. 

869
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:22,400
So I'm going to use the rules of
improv to because I'm going to 

870
00:51:23,240 --> 00:51:27,960
rely on that as my toolbox that 
I used to have my own growth 

871
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:30,600
mindset and that I often teach 
the growth mindset. 

872
00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:33,560
There's not a lot. 
There's four of them. 

873
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:39,160
So rule #1 yes. 
And so yes means you say yes. 

874
00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:44,480
It doesn't mean that agree. 
It means sometimes in the world 

875
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:48,480
of business, yes, I heard you. 
And I'm going to keep building. 

876
00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:51,520
So keep using yes and don't use 
yes. 

877
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:55,480
But I'm sure you've been in lots
of rooms where people say, yes, 

878
00:51:55,480 --> 00:51:58,760
this is a great strategy, but 
all right, we all know someone 

879
00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:01,480
who's done that. 
And it kills your collaboration,

880
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:04,560
it kills the energy, etcetera. 
So rather say yes. 

881
00:52:04,600 --> 00:52:08,640
And, and you can keep that, that
mood light, you can keep the 

882
00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:12,000
creation going. 
So that's part of the yes. 

883
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:16,760
And mindset is part of the 
growth mindset #2 listen 2 ears,

884
00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:21,760
one mouth, right? 
So listen for a reason. 

885
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:25,360
I tell people there are four 
language skills you can, at 

886
00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:27,000
least in reading, writing. 
Yeah. 

887
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:30,800
So say yes and listen with all 
of your ears. 

888
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:33,680
Serve. 
So don't be a diva. 

889
00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:37,320
Serve other people. 
So as a leader especially, 

890
00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:39,880
you're there to get the best out
of your people. 

891
00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:44,000
And it's you as the the glory 
that you have is rather 

892
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:46,240
irrelevant. 
You need to get stuff done 

893
00:52:46,240 --> 00:52:48,720
through other people. 
So therefore you need to lift 

894
00:52:48,720 --> 00:52:51,840
them and serve them. 
So lift them to their highest 

895
00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:54,960
potential. 
Lift them, grow them, teach 

896
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:58,520
them. 
Know that without your team, you

897
00:52:58,520 --> 00:53:02,240
are nothing. 
So continue to serve as a 

898
00:53:02,240 --> 00:53:04,920
leader. 
And then the last one is accept 

899
00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:08,480
that you will fail and actually 
push yourself into situations 

900
00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:13,400
where you can fail and fail with
joy and know that you're going 

901
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:15,520
to fail and you're going to just
keep building. 

902
00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:20,640
When you fail, you realize one 
of the 99 things that that won't

903
00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:23,800
work. 
So now you've got you've got 100

904
00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:27,160
tries. 
You get a failure for the 1st 30

905
00:53:27,160 --> 00:53:29,280
times. 
My gosh, you still have 7 

906
00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:31,480
possible 70. 
Fail and fail fast. 

907
00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:34,720
Fail fast. 
Get. 

908
00:53:34,720 --> 00:53:36,120
Get up. 
Take yourself up. 

909
00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:38,200
Dust yourself off. 
Keep going. 

910
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:42,600
Yeah, I love that a lot. 
And yeah, everybody who knows me

911
00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:45,160
knows that's what the life I am 
about. 

912
00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:48,800
I'm never afraid to feel like I 
won't be the first person to 

913
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:50,640
feel or something. 
I'm not going to be the last 

914
00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:51,920
person. 
So why am I sad? 

915
00:53:52,240 --> 00:53:55,120
But each other is people who 
succeed at things that people 

916
00:53:55,160 --> 00:53:57,960
who are good at many other 
things. 

917
00:53:58,320 --> 00:54:00,880
Yeah, absolutely. 
As a clean slate. 

918
00:54:01,320 --> 00:54:03,720
Yeah, but you got it, right. 
You got it. 

919
00:54:03,720 --> 00:54:05,280
You got the four things. 
You got it. 

920
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:09,640
Go for it. 
Wow, it's been really, really 

921
00:54:09,640 --> 00:54:11,640
great, you know, having you 
today. 

922
00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:15,760
I've had a lot of fun and you 
know you, you are an inspiration

923
00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:19,400
to the younger generation. 
When we look at the show, we 

924
00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:22,040
look at the demographics from 
the back end. 

925
00:54:22,040 --> 00:54:27,600
On Spotify, majority of people 
who listen to this show or what 

926
00:54:27,600 --> 00:54:34,280
to show are millennials between 
the ages of 28 to 44. 

927
00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:40,320
The form about 75% of the 
listenership of this show. 

928
00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:45,040
So you are speaking to young 
professionals, young 

929
00:54:45,160 --> 00:54:50,400
entrepreneurs and you are making
an impact in, you know, the 

930
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:54,360
lives of the people that are 
shaping the next generation. 

931
00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:58,040
So it's, it's a very big, I 
won't let you leave without, you

932
00:54:58,040 --> 00:55:04,760
know, you being a big sister to,
you know, the aspiring young 

933
00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:09,600
women out there to what's your, 
your, would I say your advice, 

934
00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:13,040
right, to young professionals, 
especially the females, right, 

935
00:55:13,240 --> 00:55:18,400
who aspire to be in leadership 
roles, you know, in business. 

936
00:55:18,640 --> 00:55:22,080
Yeah, I, I think the four things
I said before, Yes. 

937
00:55:22,080 --> 00:55:26,200
And listen, serve and fail, fail
with joy and fail fast. 

938
00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:28,120
That applies to you ladies as 
well. 

939
00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:32,720
Now the other thing I'm going to
say, gentlemen, plug your ears. 

940
00:55:32,720 --> 00:55:38,520
Now, ladies, girls, let's talk. 
The most important decision that

941
00:55:38,520 --> 00:55:41,200
you're going to make for the 
future of your career is who you

942
00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:43,120
decide to have as a life 
partner. 

943
00:55:44,320 --> 00:55:49,400
Whether that is a charming man, 
a charming woman, a charming 

944
00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:54,560
they whichever whomever you're 
going to be partnering with the 

945
00:55:54,600 --> 00:55:59,160
he, she, they, them, that 
decision you're making is the 

946
00:55:59,160 --> 00:56:01,360
most important decision that 
you're making. 

947
00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:04,360
And I don't mean that from like 
a sentimental, oh, how sweet. 

948
00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:08,960
It's that that person is going 
to influence possibly where you 

949
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:13,000
live, how you live, if you have 
children together, the future of

950
00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:16,800
your genetic code that's being 
passed on, and also whether 

951
00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:20,240
you're going to have help when 
you are having children and 

952
00:56:20,240 --> 00:56:23,920
whether you're having a career. 
You need that person to be your 

953
00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:27,360
copilot and your person who 
celebrates you and every 

954
00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:29,960
decision you're making if you're
young. 

955
00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:32,160
Microsoft is going to be happy 
with you, Copilot. 

956
00:56:33,080 --> 00:56:35,000
Go by. 
Microsoft's Copilot. 

957
00:56:35,520 --> 00:56:40,360
Copilot this episode. 
Guys, guys, you need the 

958
00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:42,280
president is going to be your 
GPT. 

959
00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:45,800
Copilot. 
But really, ladies, it's really 

960
00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:49,720
important to find someone who's 
going to support you because 

961
00:56:49,720 --> 00:56:52,040
you've you're here, you're 
listening, you're building your 

962
00:56:52,040 --> 00:56:54,480
career, you're building your 
empire, you've educated 

963
00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:55,920
yourself. 
Keep learning. 

964
00:56:55,920 --> 00:56:59,520
Don't stop and know that the 
people that you surround 

965
00:56:59,520 --> 00:57:03,560
yourself with, likely a romantic
partner, will influence so much 

966
00:57:03,560 --> 00:57:06,480
that you end up the 
opportunities you have in your 

967
00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:07,880
life. 
So go get it. 

968
00:57:08,760 --> 00:57:11,760
Choose well, choose wisely, and 
not that you shouldn't choose, 

969
00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:15,320
choose for sure, but choose 
wisely and know that that person

970
00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:18,240
needs to be able to support you 
in all those decisions you can 

971
00:57:18,520 --> 00:57:21,600
to go be the master of your life
and master of your business. 

972
00:57:21,600 --> 00:57:24,600
That's a good advice. 
In that case, quick fire around.

973
00:57:24,800 --> 00:57:27,640
I'm going to put you through the
Pacific Ring of Fire. 

974
00:57:27,640 --> 00:57:30,280
Tell me the first thing that 
comes to your mind. 5 questions 

975
00:57:30,360 --> 00:57:33,480
in one unit. 
SO1 book every leader should 

976
00:57:33,480 --> 00:57:36,600
read What one book? 
One book that every leader 

977
00:57:36,600 --> 00:57:40,880
should read. 
Emotional Business by Ravi Rao. 

978
00:57:42,280 --> 00:57:44,840
OK. 
Emotional Business by Ravi Rao. 

979
00:57:46,240 --> 00:57:49,200
Nice voice, the best advice you 
ever received in your career. 

980
00:57:49,280 --> 00:57:52,000
Going. 
Keep going. 

981
00:57:54,280 --> 00:57:58,080
Give up, just keep going. 
I don't know going consistency 

982
00:57:58,080 --> 00:57:59,840
is I. 
Think over the different over 

983
00:57:59,840 --> 00:58:02,600
the different phases or seasons 
of my career. 

984
00:58:02,600 --> 00:58:05,640
I think there's different advice
that I received that helped me 

985
00:58:05,640 --> 00:58:09,280
keep going. 
And I think it's really trust 

986
00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:13,120
yourself like you are, you're, 
you're making all this up, 

987
00:58:13,120 --> 00:58:16,080
you're driving all this. 
You are the creator of your life

988
00:58:16,640 --> 00:58:19,240
and trust that inner voice that 
you have. 

989
00:58:19,560 --> 00:58:22,360
And I think often in my own life
and many people I know, they 

990
00:58:22,360 --> 00:58:26,040
didn't trust that inner voice. 
So trust, trust that inner voice

991
00:58:26,040 --> 00:58:28,880
because that's your intuition 
telling you what's good for you 

992
00:58:28,880 --> 00:58:33,120
and what's bad for you. 
So trust that inner voice and go

993
00:58:33,120 --> 00:58:36,000
with it. 
Tea or something stronger? 

994
00:58:36,080 --> 00:58:39,160
Coffee. 
OK, right now it's 8:00 at 

995
00:58:39,160 --> 00:58:41,760
night. 
I am dreaming and I'm not 

996
00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:43,680
kidding. 
I'm dreaming of my coffee 

997
00:58:43,680 --> 00:58:46,080
tomorrow morning because there's
nothing. 

998
00:58:46,080 --> 00:58:49,400
I love coffee. 
I could drink it all day, and if

999
00:58:49,480 --> 00:58:54,320
I the experience of the first 
coffee in the morning, double 

1000
00:58:54,320 --> 00:58:57,600
shot espresso, maybe with a 
little bit of coconut cream. 

1001
00:58:57,640 --> 00:59:01,080
Pretty good. 
That experience of the taste, 

1002
00:59:01,080 --> 00:59:04,840
the texture, the feeling, the 
experience, the jolt from that 

1003
00:59:04,840 --> 00:59:07,680
first coffee. 
I wish I could be like that all 

1004
00:59:07,680 --> 00:59:11,720
day. 
I see say no more. 

1005
00:59:11,720 --> 00:59:13,520
I see less. 
I'm dreaming about literally, 

1006
00:59:13,520 --> 00:59:15,520
you're not making one have a 
coffee right now because now 

1007
00:59:15,680 --> 00:59:17,960
then I won't sleep. 
But I want, I want, I want 

1008
00:59:17,960 --> 00:59:19,240
tomorrow morning's coffee right 
now. 

1009
00:59:21,560 --> 00:59:25,440
OK, so if you could have a 
coffee date with any three 

1010
00:59:25,440 --> 00:59:27,720
people, dead or alive, who 
would? 

1011
00:59:27,720 --> 00:59:29,400
Those people. 
Be any three people. 

1012
00:59:30,240 --> 00:59:32,080
Oprah Winfrey. 
Miss Oprah. 

1013
00:59:32,640 --> 00:59:37,240
Please Miss Oprah. 
She is like my North Star. 

1014
00:59:37,880 --> 00:59:39,400
I'll have Oprah. 
Winfrey on this one. 

1015
00:59:40,320 --> 00:59:42,480
And, and I mean, really, I 
rehearsed the day that we're 

1016
00:59:42,480 --> 00:59:45,000
going to meet. 
I'm always like, Oprah, come on,

1017
00:59:45,000 --> 00:59:47,560
it's a joke between you and me. 
No, Oprah, I know. 

1018
00:59:47,560 --> 00:59:49,360
Thank you so much. 
Thank you, Oprah. 

1019
00:59:50,760 --> 00:59:53,080
I know, but it's between you and
me. 

1020
00:59:53,080 --> 00:59:54,400
I know, GAIL. 
I know. 

1021
00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:56,080
It's it's funny. 
But Oprah. 

1022
00:59:56,200 --> 00:59:58,280
Yes. 
So I rehearsed the for the day 

1023
00:59:58,520 --> 01:00:01,680
we're meeting and we're friends.
So Oprah, please. 

1024
01:00:01,680 --> 01:00:05,480
And then I'm going to say I, I 
mentioned when we were starting,

1025
01:00:05,480 --> 01:00:09,160
I really love musical theater. 
I really, really love musical 

1026
01:00:09,200 --> 01:00:11,800
theater. 
And I would love to meet with 

1027
01:00:11,840 --> 01:00:16,080
Oprah and Lin Manuel Miranda, 
who is a playwright in America. 

1028
01:00:16,080 --> 01:00:21,520
He's from the, he's from Puerto 
and he no, so is it Dominican? 

1029
01:00:21,560 --> 01:00:24,600
He's anyway from the Caribbean 
and he has written some of the 

1030
01:00:24,600 --> 01:00:30,000
most influential theater pieces 
this Millennium, which are just 

1031
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:33,640
great pieces of art. 
And they because of his pieces 

1032
01:00:33,640 --> 01:00:37,920
of art, he has inspired people 
to learn history in a new and 

1033
01:00:37,920 --> 01:00:41,400
different way and look at our 
current life through a lens of 

1034
01:00:41,400 --> 01:00:46,560
history that's unique for today.
So I would love to sit down and 

1035
01:00:46,560 --> 01:00:50,400
talk to him and get his creative
process and get his mission and 

1036
01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:53,280
vision. 
Would love that. 

1037
01:00:53,720 --> 01:00:58,720
And then I think the last one 
would probably be our dear 

1038
01:01:00,040 --> 01:01:06,320
brother, Nelson Mandela. 
Truly a long walk to freedom as 

1039
01:01:06,320 --> 01:01:12,760
a leader, as a as an activist, 
as a leader, as a man of God who

1040
01:01:13,120 --> 01:01:19,360
is able to endure all he did he 
and watch his people, his 

1041
01:01:19,360 --> 01:01:23,240
colleagues, his community 
crumble and still have the 

1042
01:01:23,240 --> 01:01:29,320
fortitude to forgive and to turn
a turn a moment of which could 

1043
01:01:29,320 --> 01:01:31,880
have been potentially 
bitterness, anger, retribution, 

1044
01:01:31,880 --> 01:01:34,120
into forgiveness, love and 
leadership. 

1045
01:01:34,160 --> 01:01:38,360
I would love to talk to him 
about that journey and just to 

1046
01:01:38,800 --> 01:01:41,160
be in his presence. 
There are people who have met 

1047
01:01:41,160 --> 01:01:42,560
him. 
I never got a chance to meet. 

1048
01:01:42,560 --> 01:01:45,200
I met Kofi Annan, who had that 
kind of vibe. 

1049
01:01:47,640 --> 01:01:48,880
You've. 
Got Kofi Annan. 

1050
01:01:49,320 --> 01:01:52,000
I met Kofi Annan and. 
You have something interesting. 

1051
01:01:52,440 --> 01:01:56,120
He's really, he had that vibe of
like he's, he's a good person. 

1052
01:01:56,400 --> 01:01:59,560
So I understand that people who 
met Nelson Mandela had that 

1053
01:01:59,560 --> 01:02:02,160
feeling like you were in the 
presence of someone who truly 

1054
01:02:02,160 --> 01:02:06,960
was channeling love in a way 
that you could never, never not 

1055
01:02:06,960 --> 01:02:10,880
experience. 
I would, I would love to talk to

1056
01:02:10,880 --> 01:02:11,240
him. 
Wow. 

1057
01:02:11,760 --> 01:02:13,560
Yeah, he passed. 
OK. 

1058
01:02:14,520 --> 01:02:17,760
The interesting stuff I'm going 
to confirm to you is that both 

1059
01:02:17,760 --> 01:02:22,360
Iana and Attisha the same 
birthday with me, I was born 

1060
01:02:22,440 --> 01:02:30,120
April 8th, 1938 and I was born 
April 8th, 1992. 

1061
01:02:30,240 --> 01:02:34,120
So you're in the presence of 
greatness. 

1062
01:02:34,560 --> 01:02:40,240
So it's a passing of the bottom.
I am was certainly in the 

1063
01:02:40,240 --> 01:02:42,600
presence of greatness. 
That's fantastic. 

1064
01:02:43,320 --> 01:02:45,560
Yeah, wow. 
Yeah, I have some like 

1065
01:02:45,560 --> 01:02:49,680
interesting, but they made Kofi 
Annan April 8. 

1066
01:02:50,040 --> 01:02:53,160
That's who you would be with. 
That's who you have coffee with.

1067
01:02:55,960 --> 01:02:58,000
Who you? 
Have I, I need to, I need to 

1068
01:02:58,040 --> 01:03:03,200
find a, a number of 8.8 guys to 
have coffee with baby Robert 

1069
01:03:03,200 --> 01:03:06,440
Kiyosaki, Kofi Aden and I'll 
find one more. 

1070
01:03:06,920 --> 01:03:08,320
OK, Myself. 
Myself. 

1071
01:03:08,320 --> 01:03:13,960
That's three, Three. 
Yeah, this 32 is a company, 3 is

1072
01:03:13,960 --> 01:03:17,480
a crowd there. 
You go, there you go. 4 is 

1073
01:03:17,480 --> 01:03:20,760
complicated, so 3 is better. 
That's complicated. 

1074
01:03:21,200 --> 01:03:25,280
OK, what's one word that sums up
your life philosophy? 

1075
01:03:27,320 --> 01:03:29,480
Joy. 
Joy. 

1076
01:03:30,200 --> 01:03:32,720
OK, I love that. 
Yeah, joy is. 

1077
01:03:34,040 --> 01:03:36,680
It's very important because joy 
is different from happiness. 

1078
01:03:36,680 --> 01:03:40,000
Joy is actually deep. 
Well, a lot of people tend to, 

1079
01:03:40,760 --> 01:03:44,280
would I say, mistake joy for 
happiness. 

1080
01:03:44,360 --> 01:03:46,440
They're two different things. 
Joy. 

1081
01:03:46,520 --> 01:03:52,360
Joy is deep. 
It's would I say it's more long 

1082
01:03:52,360 --> 01:03:54,720
lived or happiness is more short
lived? 

1083
01:03:56,160 --> 01:04:02,400
Yeah, yeah, I love that bro. 
So now let me keep the joy. 

1084
01:04:03,080 --> 01:04:04,320
But you. 
Keep the. 

1085
01:04:04,320 --> 01:04:06,080
Joy, maybe. 
Maybe the happiness, the 

1086
01:04:06,080 --> 01:04:09,000
happiness is going out the 
window because it's it's the end

1087
01:04:09,000 --> 01:04:13,200
of the show. 
But for me, it's love and 

1088
01:04:13,640 --> 01:04:17,480
respect to you, of course. 
Yeah, this has been a great 

1089
01:04:17,480 --> 01:04:19,320
time. 
Great impacts, great 

1090
01:04:19,320 --> 01:04:21,840
conversations, great 
connections. 

1091
01:04:21,840 --> 01:04:28,640
And you know, guys, guys out 
there, do the needful like, 

1092
01:04:28,640 --> 01:04:33,000
share comments, subscribe. 
And of course, I will keep 

1093
01:04:33,000 --> 01:04:38,760
working tirelessly to bring in 
great individuals like Jennifer 

1094
01:04:38,920 --> 01:04:44,920
Kane. 
And of course, if you don't, if 

1095
01:04:44,920 --> 01:04:48,360
you don't share it, if you're 
going to see me in your dreams 

1096
01:04:48,360 --> 01:04:51,440
and I'm going to break your nose
like a birth mouse. 

1097
01:04:53,840 --> 01:04:59,720
Now I'm very afraid. 
Thank you very much for putting.

1098
01:04:59,760 --> 01:05:01,280
Me on your show, I'm so 
grateful. 

1099
01:05:01,280 --> 01:05:03,560
It was a wonderful conversation.
Do you have anybody want to have

1100
01:05:03,560 --> 01:05:05,040
a shout to give a shout out to 
you? 

1101
01:05:06,640 --> 01:05:08,160
Anyone I want to give a shout 
out to? 

1102
01:05:08,160 --> 01:05:13,600
Yeah, I just think in the spirit
of the older people we serve, we

1103
01:05:13,600 --> 01:05:16,400
are here every day. 
We love serving you and it is 

1104
01:05:16,400 --> 01:05:19,400
just a delight to know that we 
make your life a little better 

1105
01:05:19,440 --> 01:05:23,920
every single day. 
OK, so love and respect to you 

1106
01:05:24,520 --> 01:05:26,800
the audience that of course keep
going for something in your 

1107
01:05:26,800 --> 01:05:28,920
life. 
Always go for something in your 

1108
01:05:28,920 --> 01:05:32,280
life. 
Conceive, believe, strive to 

1109
01:05:32,280 --> 01:05:35,240
thrive and go achieve. 
Bless you guys. 

1110
01:05:35,520 --> 01:05:40,160
For me it is goodbye and of 
course from Jennifer, it is good

1111
01:05:40,360 --> 01:05:40,760
night.