What do I do? Well, I have these chunks that I
have to do it it it what you want to do is get rid of the
friction of having to make decisions and just have it all
laid out in front of you know exactly what you have to do.
You don't have to to think and plan and everything too many
times. We spend so much effort every
morning as entrepreneurs because there's so much overwhelm.
If you can map all that stuff out ahead of time and then just
follow the plan, it helps your executive brain functions.
Just relax a little bit. You don't have to have to be on
the ball all the time. You just have to focus on what
you're doing at the time and that way you can get more done.
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And today I've got one V Whiten out of the United States of
America, Big Walker, Dave Farrow.
Well I'm also Canadian if that helps.
I don't know if that wow. Canadian American, A lot of
people are jealous of you brother, you know.
Jealous. I'm your host.
A lot of people are jealous of you, you know, I'm your host.
And of course, today's guest is not just impressive, he is
scientifically proven. Dave Farrow is a two time
Guinness World Record holder for greatest memory, earning that
title by memorizing the exact order of 59 decks of shuffled
playing cards using what is now known globally as the Farrow
Memory Method. He overcame ADHD who wired his
own brain, then used a methodology that has been
validated through neuroscience research, included a
double-blind study at McGill University.
He has appeared across major media including Doctor Oz,
Discovery Channel and the Today Show.
He now leads Fire Communications helping brands build
unforgettable messaging using brain based strategies.
This conversation is about more than memory.
It's about identity, discipline, neuroplasticity, focus and what
becomes possible when the brain is trained deliberately.
Ladies and gentlemen, once again welcome Dave to The Kingdom's
podcast. Well, thank you very much for
having me. This is great.
I love, I love the work that you do and people are following your
podcasts on a regular basis. They see you ask some really
good questions, some tough questions sometimes, but I'm all
for it. You said some tough questions, I
don't mean. Like, I don't mean like you're,
you're trying to challenge people.
I just mean like, you know, yes, you go outside the box.
You want to ask things I've had a lot of?
Yeah, the curiosity. Yeah, you try to ask things that
other people aren't asking. It's not the usual, you know,
It's not, but some some AI slop generating something.
You you got a you got a brain in there.
You have some good questions. So I've been looking forward to
this interview. Thank you very much, brother.
You know, we'll put in the research, putting the research
into this thing. You know, let's start with
talking about your identity tenant point.
You went from struggling with ADHD.
And by the way, I am also an individual with ADHD, right So.
Unite, Brother. Yes, let's organize.
Wait, what was that? I got distracted.
Dear brother, you know, to become a Guinness World Record
holder, Like, what was that exact moment you realized your
brain wasn't broken, but it was just untrained?
That is the best question yes, because most of the time they
asked me like when did you know you were born with a great
memory? And it's like it's right there
in my bio. I was not born with a great
listen. I, I have a memory course.
If I was born with an amazing memory, that course would be
very short. It would be be me.
Can't help you, you know, but but no, but I struggled in
school. I, I was and, and actually, if
you want to know about motivation, I know you talk a
lot about motivation. My big motivation was somebody
who didn't believe in me, who told me that I was, you know, I,
I ADHD, dyslexia and a couple of other learning challenges and
basically said that, you know, there's no way I'm going to be
able to take higher education, run a business.
There's no way I'm going to be able to do anything other than
maybe a manual labor job and I should give up now.
And I was 14 when he told me that.
So what kind of person tells a 14 year old stop setting goals?
You know, like you're done, right?
So I was so pissed. That's.
What I just mean. Yeah, he was a teacher,
actually. And I was so pissed.
I decided to just learn everything I could about my
brain. I was like, I was in, I was
really into martial arts, right. And you know, you know, from
like, like most guys get this that really.
I'm also into martial arts. Also into martial arts and very
big on the UFC brother. Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, but it's,
it's also like a, it's like a metaphor too, because most guys
get this, that, you know, you go to the gym, you work out, your
muscle gets bigger, right? You go, you go practice martial
arts, you practice a technique over and over.
You get better at the technique. So I thought, why couldn't they
remember my brain? The, the, the belief that the
teachers had or the people that I was talking to was that you're
just born smarter. You're born dumb.
And I'm like, well, I wasn't born muscular.
I had to work out for that. I wasn't born a good, you know,
good. I'm sure I wasn't born, you
know, whatever the skill you have.
So what if learning and memory could be a skill rather than a
talent? And that was the big shift.
And as it turns out, the points is on my side.
I didn't know that at the time, but memory and learning is a
skill. The people who really, really
succeed, they have strategies and there's thousands of
different strategies, not just my own saying that the people
who really succeed in life, they, they, they can take charge
of their brain and everybody has a certain talent.
There are going to be some people who test differently.
You know, naturally your memory can be better or worse than
other people without any training, but with training, you
can excel tremendously. That doesn't mean you're ever
going to be perfect. You know, you're never going to
like, like you'll be absent minded once in a while, but the
more you train it, the stronger it gets.
And we also know that it cuts your risk for, for dementia and
memory loss as you're older by 50%, at least you know more than
more than any drug known. Like if there was a drug that
cut memory loss by 10%, it would be more popular than Viagra.
It would be everywhere, right? But we have something that you
can do 10 minutes a day and it cuts your risk by 1/2, basically
makes it like impossible for you to, for you to get memory loss
when you get older. And that's, that's a good
quarter of your life, right? When people start to get and
everything, they don't realize that like, you know, if you're
going to live to let's say like 85 or something like that,
right? So between when you retire in
your sixties, 85, that's a, that's a good quarter, almost a
third of your adult life at least, right?
So the quality of that will depend on what you do, what you
do now, and you can build up that cognitive reserve.
Absolutely, and you know, speaking as somebody who's even
with ADHD and like having a similar background, I remember
growing up, I grew up in Nigeria, I'm Nigerian or you
know, migrated to the United Kingdom.
And it's crazy how the teachers in Africa actually treat
students or who peels. It's I don't like it because if
you are not good at setting subjects, the frame you or label
you as, you know, a norm school like idiot, you know, and I was
quite poor at math only to, but I was very excellent at the
other subjects only to struggle all the way through finishing
secondary school. And guess what, I failed math
twice. But I come from a background
that is faith oriented and at the age of 16, I read the whole
of the Bible, went to Bible school, but the favorite Bible
verse was feel against 413. I can do all things through
crisis strengthens me and that gave me a lot of motivation.
I just believed that if I put my mind to it, I can achieve it.
And then I got into the university, the habit of Nigeria
to study economics, only for me to discover that economics was
full of mathematics. And there's this girl who taught
me think a week or two before the exams and I I made AC.
Then the next semester I made AD from, you know, more intense
study. Then in the second year, I made
an A in a mathematics economist. And in statistics, I was the
highest scoring student in the whole of the faculty.
And then done to me. You can do it.
You can put your mind to it, right?
You just have to believe in yourself.
But for you, what was that driving factor that made you
believe in your stuff? You know And at what point you
discovered that you can change your performance if you change
your belief system. Yeah.
You know, a mindset is, is all of it.
I mean like so, so there are, there are techniques, there are
strategies. We can get into some of the
techniques today, but those techniques are useless if you're
if you're negative, you think it's not going to work.
Absolutely. And it's, it's such a, such a
tough things. I have some people in my life
that are naturally negative and, and they won't give simple
things a try because they just think it's not going to work.
It's a self fulfilling prophecy. It's not going to work because
you don't give it a try, right. And so I, I went through a lot,
a lot of trials and tribulations recently, like since COVID, I
actually had a, a huge hit to my memory after COVID, when I got
COVID, I got, I got like a long COVID and it affected my, my
natural memory. And I found that my training was
much more difficult. And it was very humbling because
at this stage in my life, for me to feel forgetful, like on that
level was, was horrible. But I went into like a training
regimen and, and trained to get my brain back.
But it's, it's, it's, it's one of those things that if you just
take what you're dealt, I, I don't know where it came in from
me, but I just, I could not fathom giving up.
I just couldn't. I just couldn't imagine a world
where I gave up, that it made all the the difference.
There's no quitter in me. No, but it's.
Not the quitter is not even in the dictionary.
I give it, I give an example like so I always wanted to run
my own business and going back to high school again, since
we're since we were talking about that, I was talking to a
guidance counselor way back then.
I remember the conversation. I put it in my book, actually.
And the conversation went something like this.
I want to run my own business. And the guidance counselor was
like, oh man, that has a really low level of success.
You may maybe like, you know, 10% of businesses actually
succeed. And I was like, really?
That's awesome. And the guidance counselor was
like, wait, wait, what do you mean awesome?
I just said you only have a 10% chance to 90% fail rate.
And I said, yeah, but I only have to try 10 times and I'm
guaranteed to have my own business.
That's awesome. I've I've failed a lot more than
that at things I don't like to do anyway.
I wasn't, I wasn't messing with her.
I wasn't playing around. That was literally just like I
was like, oh, I just, yeah, I can fail a few times.
And like, the way they were looking at it, like, no, a
failure is this horrible thing. I'm like, no, it doesn't.
You tried something that didn't work out, Wake up the next day
and try again. It's not, it's not like the end
of the world because something didn't work, you know, And I
think it's so definitely the positive mindset also has to
have a real internal resistance to the negativity in the world
and the fear of mistakes and, and failing.
Can't have that fear of failing. And you know, like, I hate it
the way people in the world try to put people in boxes.
Now they use limited labels like oh, you're ADHD, you're near
neuro divergent, you have poor memory, you lack focus.
But how did you transform that limitation into a disciplined
system? Well, the first step was to
understand that how you think is something you are in control of.
You're not in control of a lot of things.
There's, there's a lot of really great historical moments where,
you know, people were being tortured or there were, you
know, wars and battles being fought or people were trapped in
horrible health conditions and, and they went back to that
truism. I think it's a Stoic principle
that, you know, I, I can't control everything, but I can
control my thoughts. I can decide to think something
or not something, right. And I, so I started with that.
I guess that's first principles. And I thought, well, what if I
think about information differently?
What if I play with it in my head differently, right.
And I learned how the brain triggers memory.
So memory is, I want to call it a conscious choice, obviously
not conscious because you're not in charge, but it's a
subconscious choice that your brain makes.
We even know where that choice happens.
Well, we believe we know there's, there's a lot we don't
know about the brain even to this day, but we believe it
happens somewhere in the hippocampus and a mechanism
called the reticular activating filter or our reticular
activating system. So essentially, when you
encounter different information, your brain makes a decision to
store this information. Now, I, I fight neuroscientists
on this because that's not the way they would phrase it, right?
But that's the way I phrase it is that, you know, we have this
evolutionary pressure to to protect ourselves, right?
So the the analogy I have is tiger in the jungle.
So imagine that you are a hunter gatherer 100,000 years ago and
you are looking at a beautiful jungle scene.
And over to your your side here you have a Cliff with some
vines. And then you've got a rock over
there. And then you've got then you got
another big rock, but there's a turtle on it or something, you
know. And then you've got a nice tree
and you see the path, see another tree.
You see a tiger high hidden beside the tree staring at you.
And you look a little further and then you see like you know
some some prints from an animal. And then you see a Bush.
And then the tiger eats you because you didn't pay attention
to the tiger. The point is, we have evolved to
pay attention to the tiger, to pay attention to the one thing
that can that help us survive, to stand out from the the crowd.
Because there's so much information flooding our senses,
our brain ignores most of it. Because it's not most of the
information is useless, right? Like, you know, your, your ear
can technically slightly hear the blood flowing through your
eardrum, right? If you, if you're like sleeping
or you press it against, you can kind of, you know what I mean?
You can, you can feel your heartbeat if you really try,
right? But that information is useless
right now when you're trying to pass an exam or something like
that, right? So we, we ignore so much, we
ignore body language. We, we ignore half of what
people say, Let's be honest, right?
So our brain filters, that's why it's called reticular activating
filter, filters out everything and holds on to what it thinks
is important. But the difference is what your
brain thinks is important is very different from what you
think is important. That is the other big lesson.
There is a reason why some songs get caught in your head and you
can't get them out of your head. There's a reason why that one
viral video. Leaving around free.
Yeah, living red free in your mind.
Yeah, the one viral video sticks in your mind or that guy you
really freaking hate and everything.
He's just like sticking in there in your head.
So there is a reason why that exists throughout all of this.
There's a reason why they stick and facts and figures or
people's names or something doesn't stick, right.
So we have to get to a point where where we can know what
that mechanism is and how it sticks, how it connects.
So that's where I, I went on a quest to discover that.
And so, so a lot of it is visualizing information
differently, making associations connections.
So like, for example, you know, my name is Dave, that would
probably go in one ear and out the other, right?
But if I got you to visualize like a wave knocking me over or
a wave coming out of my ear or something like that, then all of
a sudden that Dave turns into a visual that I can imagine,
right. And we do this with with names
all the time. If you're memorizing foreign
language vocabulary or you're memorizing scientific terms, you
know, you just look at the words, your brain kind of kind
of zones out. But if you can visualize it in
terms of a story, if you can trick your brain into linking it
up, and. Pass associations.
Yeah, I'm paying attention, just like you pay attention to the
tiger. Then you remember all of it.
And then with training and with a little organization, you can
remember hundreds of words, vocabulary, a thousands of
definitions, and. And then you're called a genius,
right? And and it's all one principle.
One the concept that you really understood about your brain and
practice. You know, for me, I think 1
technique I used was like creating memory, like a building
block. So there's that base, you need a
latch base. And, you know, I start
associating new knowledge with existing, you know, body of
knowledge and also using mnemonics, right, To like
memorize different concepts. Yeah.
Also I like to understand what a concept is about, right?
So understanding the principle helps me to be able to replicate
the principle. And for mathematics, I just
discovered there's a method to the madness, right?
So every mathematical equation has a principle for solving it,
right? And of course, what is on the
left side is equal to what is on the right side.
So if you have that understanding and know the
principles of crossing over on. You know, it turns it into a
game. The equal, it just turns into a
game. And that changed the whole game
for me in terms of mathematics. So it's, it's really interesting
having a person who's had like a similar journey, right?
Born in different continents, but we're able to figure things
out. And for me as a teenager, I, I
did an IQ test and I scored one third to something and it's
covered. 1/3 of something is gifted your way above the
average individual, and it made me to see myself differently.
But in terms of your own journey, like how has your
journey revealed or what has it revealed about human potential
that schools and, you know, workplaces are currently
ignoring? I think that we're focusing a
lot on classification and categorizing instead of
understanding development. So yeah, this happens in the
workplace too. I mean, just it's, it's more of
a philosophy. But if you have a number of
employees then but you classify, OK, this employee is your low
level employee. This employee has management
potential and things like that, but you don't realize all of
them may aspire to go someplace else.
It was Napoleon who and Alexander the Great who were
some of the greatest leaders. Yeah, that's right.
But they they had the smallest armies, but they were able to
accomplish and fight much bigger armies.
But in both of their cases, the leader knew everything that all
of their followers wanted. They knew what was called the
fire that lights the soul. What it what all of them.
What So, so it wasn't just positioning them at what they're
good at, also positioning them so they see a place to go where
they want to go. So if you help enough other
people get where they want to go, then they'll help you get
where you want to go. Wow, that's quite interesting.
And let's delve into your method, the fire memory method.
So in simple terms, how does that method work?
What are the core principles and how does it work in terms of
neuroscience and not just about motivation?
Sure. So to start off with, we have an
assessment called memory modes. This is something that I've
invented and and it was tested in the double-blind study that
you mentioned at the beginning of this interview.
And what that does is it categorizes you or or figures
out what your brain most responds to.
So there's five different ways that the brain responds to
information when it's trying to memorize it.
So for example, some people personalization is one of the
categories. So that means that if you were
to make a mental link and those objects were something that you
don't own, that you have no connection to and they're some
far off land, it won't stick for you.
But if you imagine it happening on your front lawn and these are
like, you know, that's a car and a bus or something, but it's
your car or something like that. If it's something where you're
involved or you're in the image, then you'll have three times the
the recall. Others are action oriented where
it doesn't matter where it's happening.
Doesn't matter if it's associated to me, as long as
it's like fast movement, like crashing explosions.
And these are the people who like action movies and stuff,
right? So, so there's also
juxtaposition. This is where you replace one
thing with something else. So I was saying, like if I made
an association between arrow and bicycle, if I imagine the spokes
replaced with arrows, it would stick in my mind.
These people are more likely to become scientists and they more
likely to like mystery books and, and, and things like that,
science fiction. So it, it's a bit of a
personality test. When you figure out what your
brain is triggered by, then you learn the memory techniques for
words, for lists, for numbers, for names, for languages, for
definition, speeches, texts. And you learn how to develop
that body of knowledge, how to organize it so you can go
through all your studies and memorize all of the definitions
so you can walk into the exam as if you bring the textbook in
your head. That's one of the things that
our students talk about. And it become, it becomes like
all the memory stuff in terms of that content is just basically
taken care of. You have a strategy for it and
then you can focus your energy on passing the test and doing
better. Now my program actually goes
beyond that where I have a focus method that it's similar to
Pomodoro, although when I developed it, I developed it in
the 90s and I didn't know about Pomodoro at the time, but
basically it treats focus like a fight or flight response.
And we use a timer, but we have very short chunks of time.
So we're talking about 5 minutes to 7 minutes and there's certain
rules. So you want to do your studying
really intensely for a short period of time, not passive for
a long period of time. You want to go really intense
for a short period of time, then take a short break to clear your
head and then do it again. It's almost like it's a lot more
like boxing intervals, like 3 minute rounds and then you take
a one minute break in three minute rounds.
You got to go really intense and what happens is.
You end up. Studying, well, I'm comparing
boxing to studying. You don't try, don't try to
study while you're actually boxing.
That doesn't work. That's that'd be very difficult.
Maybe like. But for professional boxes, you
know it's part of the study. You're fun.
So, so anyway, so, so we do, we do the timing technique and
everything and that increases your productivity.
So most people find the productivity double S they're
able to retain more and do more in a short period of time and
get it done. And then when you put it all
together, we have some other organizational principles and we
have, I have a, a bunch of people who said they wouldn't
become when to become doctors or lawyers if it wasn't for my
program. Nice, nice.
So, so yeah. So we pretty much cracked the
code on how to retain large amounts of information very
quickly. Wow.
So for somebody listening to yours today, what is 1 simple
technique, you know, they can start with today to improve the
memory. They want to start today, they
don't want to improve the memory.
That's yeah. Today, absolutely.
Today. OK, I will say a couple of
things. First off, next time you set
something down like like you got like a knife or a or, you know,
keys, maybe something like that, right?
Put it down and in your mind, imagine it explodes and then
when you go back to look for it, that explosion will pop into
your head and you'll always remember where you put it.
It's it's a really cool trick and try doing that every day.
Another great one is if you're trying to recall something from
the distant past, It's a it's a technique I invented called the
shadow memories. If you're trying to remember
something from the distant past, then write it down in a notebook
what you're trying to remember. And then go to sleep and in the
morning, write down everything you can answer.
And sometimes it takes a few days, but I actually had my
grand uncle Mike, I was a veteran of World War 2 and he
remembered some of the people he served with using this method.
So it was, it was a beautiful thing.
So you can, you can retain, you can remember information from a
like your memory is a lot more powerful than you think.
The other thing is for names and faces.
The first step for names and faces is get curious about the
name just goes in one ear and out the other.
We just, we just lose it. So what I tell my students to do
is walking around throughout your whole day, get into a habit
of, of doing this one thing. When you see somebody, it could
be somebody walking down the street or somebody you work with
in the back of your mind, say, I wonder what their name is.
I wonder what their name is, right.
And do this for about a week just to everybody you see, just
keep on asking that question. And then the next time you hear
someone's name, your brains going to jump on it.
And it's because of the power of questions.
By asking yourself questions, it helps trigger that that mental
response. So after you've built up this
curiosity for names, then the next step after that is to do
what I call the costume party technique.
So. What happens at a costume party?
Yeah. So imagine you go to a costume
party and you meet a bunch of people.
You see all their costumes, right?
And then imagine you go the following year, maybe it's a
work party or something like that, right?
And you see the same people's faces.
You don't know people's names, but how likely is it that you're
going to remember the costumes that they wore last year?
In fact, it's incredibly likely you'll you're going to walk
around going, oh, yeah. So and so he he dressed up as
this last year and that person dressed up as that last year
and, and things like it. It's the same mechanism when you
see an actor you really like and you think of another movie that
they were in or something like that, right.
So our brains love to draw those connections, but it has to be,
has to be physical. I won't say visual because not
everybody's visual, but it has to be a physical thing.
It can't be an abstract thing, like a name doesn't have
anything that you can you can grasp onto.
Does that make sense? So yeah.
Absolutely. What we do is we turn the name
into a costume like. So.
Yeah. So like my last name, Pharaoh.
Imagine me dressed up like an Egyptian pharaoh, and I'm like
the Pharaoh of memory, you know, something like that.
And somebody's name, Bob. You think of a Bobby pin, and
maybe a Bobby pin is like piercing his eye or something
weird to make it memorable. And Bob?
The builder. Do this in your head a few times
and you'll remember everybody that you encounter.
I love that technique because that's.
Just a quick technique and it does take practice, you know,
you got to learn a few details. Exactly.
And you know, but then that technique gets me into trouble
sometimes because I love to give people nicknames.
So if I'm you, you're Bob. I could say Bob the Builder or
Pharaoh the Pharaoh. And, you know, sometimes you get
some funny names and you give them some funny associations and
the person is frowning and like, what the hell are you doing
here? But it's just a memory technique
basically, you know, Speaking of the education system and.
Sometimes you can get people confused.
Like, I'll be honest with you. When I was a single guy, I, I
memorized a girl named Mona and a girl named Lisa in the same
time. And I used the Mona Lisa
painting for each one of them. And I I I swapped the names and
neither one of them called me back.
Yeah. So you can you can screw up the
technique. You do have to practice it.
There isn't. There is a right way and a wrong
way to do it. Yeah.
I called Mona. Yeah.
Anytime I have two people bury the same name I I weed in
numbers and like one that is a one one that is a 2 again it's
going to get you to trouble because the person with the
number 2 is going to get upset like why am I #2?
Well, no, if it's the exact same name, you don't have to do
anything. You can you can memorize several
Dave's with the same substitute word, same image.
But if you if you have a name that's slightly different, like
I just a lot with with Kathy's. So there's Kathleen, Katherine,
Kathleen, right. So I'll use a cat, but for the
Katherine, I'll use a cat wearing rings for Kathleen, I'll
think of like a really skinny, like starving cat Kathleen.
It's all you can modify it slightly and and you start to
come up with your own little games as you do this technique
more. I'm cracking you up.
This is great, but it really does work.
But that but it's supposed to be funny though.
It's supposed. To be nothing.
You know, I'm laughing because I know Eileen, right?
Lean Mary. But lean is not lean.
She's quite, you know, on the bigger side.
And I'm like. Yeah, how do I?
Reconcile this. I'm like, OK, the fat lean or
the big lean? OK, Eileen.
Yeah. Whoa, You know, it's quite
interesting. That's actually, I won't, I
won't repeat that, but that's actually one of the things that
makes it a funnier or stronger picture.
So don't try to, don't try to come up with an image that
matches how they look. That's where you're getting into
trouble. We remember how people look,
right? We recognize faces quite easily.
Actually. There's a, there's a bunch of
studies on this. If I showed you like, you know,
5 people's photo, right? And I show you like 100 photos
and mix those into it, you'll recognize the person's face, but
it's attaching the name. That's the tough part.
So if, yeah, if you, if you have Eileen attached to a larger
person than that, that's going to stick even more because it,
it's different. It's the tiger in the jungle
again. Like I did encounter that one
time where it's like someone's name.
Someone was named Conan. And he was, he was a nice guy,
but he was really skinny and he was like, how can I be Conan if
I'm like super skinny and scrawny and stuff?
Well, like, that's what makes it funny.
Actually. That's what makes it, you know,
imagining you as Conan, that sticks in my mind even more.
You know, if you were a bodybuilder, you'd be like, I'd
have to make it funny somehow. Like it's too obvious.
OK, if you were to redesign the school system around how the
brain actually works, what would you change?
I would focus on skills rather than effort.
They focus too much on the amount of time something takes
rather than on measuring the skill.
Reading is a skill, math is a skill, writing is a skill.
All the different things. Even memory, like even history
is a skill. When you think of, it's like,
what? What do you remember of history?
What do you understand of history?
Understanding concepts. It's not just memory and
recalling facts. It's also like understanding
because, well, you can test if somebody understands concepts,
do that. So, so I would focus on where
are you at with the skill level, like what you know, what level
are you reading at? And how can we get you reading
at the next level? Not just do these exercises of
interpreting the, you know, the words in a different way, but
improving the skill. How can you get better each,
each and every day? And if you focus on, on
consistent improvement, then you scale up really quick.
So my son Lex, he's 11 right now going on 15, I think because
he's like very mature in a lot of ways, but I started
homeschooling him a year ago. So he was in grade 4.
He was well behind. He was, he was about to to fail
grade 4, right? But because I was homeschooling
him, the teachers decided to keep him.
Now he had already failed a grade previous hadn't failed a
grade, but he missed an entire year because of COVID and, and
some problems and everything at home, which I, I, I, I took care
of by leaving that home. No, I'm kidding.
I but I take care of him now. I have, I have him 24/7.
I've got, I've got the custody and all that.
And as a result, what I'm doing is I'm doing home schooling with
him and it really wasn't necessary to do the
homeschooling because with his ADD and everything, he was so
severe, he just wasn't getting his work done in school at all.
So I have very little time because I run a business.
But even that it took me more time to work with him on his
homework because he wasn't getting anything done in school.
So pulled him out of school, did the the homeschooling for grade
4 and really it was grade three and four.
He was well behind you. He was in grade 3 level when he
was in grade 4. So with training and practice,
we got him to to ace into grade 4.
And now this year we're doing 5 and 6 together.
He's already at the Grade 6 level.
So we're going to skip a year this year.
And the things that I'm doing differently, there's less
exercises, less homework, less work, more, more skills.
So so we slow down when he doesn't understand something.
We don't try to rush through it with do more exercises, right?
It's this concept. Let's go over it.
And kids have to go over concepts multiple times,
especially math concepts. Like how can you teach algebra
is a weird thing, right? Like this letter represents
something else, like to a kid, you know, I mean, to a kids
brain, it's so weird, right? You can't just explain it once
and expect them to know you got to go over it.
Yeah. And so it's less repetition,
less exercise, less less of that and more focusing on the skill,
what we get to the next level. And all great mathematicians, if
you want to go into math, they talk about how somebody gave
them a love for math and it was usually like one problem at a
time. Like here's a problem, go away
and solve. If you haven't have a have a
problem, come back, you ask a question and like, that's how
you build up your problem solving skills.
Not here's 20 problems that you already know how to solve and
just do it over and over until you hate like math, right?
So the other thing also is make sure that people are doing
material that is above the level where they're at.
So it challenges them. Kids really love to be
challenged. They do not like to do what they
already know multiple times. We're doing too much repetition
of the basics. Now, that being said, if you
miss the basics, then you have to go back.
That's the other thing that people don't do.
I was very sick as a kid. I, I lost months of time in
school because I was in the hospital and I only found out
later that I missed key points. I missed bed mas entirely.
I missed algebra entirely. And then I was thrown into the
lesson afterwards and I was lost.
I was like, why is this not adding up?
And it and nobody pulled me aside and say, no, you got to do
the brackets first and then the multiplication and then you know
what I mean? Nobody did that.
And then when they did, I was like, why didn't you freaking
tell you this earlier? Right?
So learning is emulative. Make sure you fill in the gaps.
If there's a problem filling the gap, but it's not more exercises
doesn't solve it. More discipline, more effort.
It's focused on the skills. And the skills can either be I
missed a key point early on or I'm not understanding a point
here. But always try to be focusing on
the skills. You're going to learn more by
trying to build something or, you know, make something happen
than you ever will by going through rote exercises again and
again. And also memory techniques
obviously give you give you a body of knowledge.
Like you said, you have to have a body of knowledge so that you
can think with it. So memorize first, then think
with it. Yeah.
You know, most people learn by doing, right?
Yeah, practically learn by doing.
And that's basically what life is about.
You become a better driver by driving more, right?
And so many. Well, it has to have a better
connection to the real world. Well, it has to have something
to the real world. Like when you try to tell kids
to do a math problem and they're like, why am I doing this,
right? What's my motivation?
It sounds silly like your motivation is to, you know, get
off my butt and and do your work.
But the fact is, unless there's some practical connection, a lot
of people find it difficult to get motivated right now.
If I'm doing a math formula because I'm building a robot for
a competition, then all of a sudden I'm going to make sure
that I learn exactly how to do that math formula and I'm super
excited the whole time. So that, that's something that I
think people don't get with ADD as well.
ADD brains don't have a deficit of attention.
They are just selective as to where they put their attention.
They, they, the brain holds back attention from all the boring
stuff or the stuff that's not practical or stuff that's not
important and it floods the stuff that it's interested in.
But that stuff is not necessarily just video games or
something, right? It can be a story that you're
really into. It can be a a project that
you're building and and something you're working on.
Interested. You know, that's this joke I
remember from my country in Nigeria.
They say if you want a Nigerian kid to get a math problem
properly, just add the currency side to the numbers and then
they'll get it right. Yes, yes, that's true.
Yeah, Yeah. Just just make it about money
and all of a sudden it works. Yeah, I didn't, I remember
taking accounting in school and I hated it and I quit, right.
And then now I run a business and I'm like, I've got a no
accounting. So I I work on, you know,
getting the accounting going and and I'm fascinated.
All right, looks like we lost him again.
So I'm going to hold off on this.
I don't know if this be edited. Hey, everyone, if you're here,
how you doing? What can I talk about?
Yeah, we're talking about learning and, and studying and
education. Also speed reading.
Speed reading is a big one. I'll bring this up when he comes
back, but just in case you need to use this footage.
We are not taught properly how to read.
We are taught to sound out things.
And we're still going through that.
And it slows down our reading process, making it really
boring. And today, people who read are
there's, there's all sorts of stats on this.
But like, people who read regularly are much more likely
to make more money, to be promoted, to be happier, to have
better relationships. I was doing some content while
you were gone on reading on speed reading, are you?
You were talking about accounted.
I am a charted accountant. Yeah.
A CPA, Yeah. What do you guys call a CPA in
the US? So I'm very interested in that
story. Well, now I, I run a couple of
businesses, so I really am learning about accounting and
I'm like, I'm motivated to learn about accounting because I want
to save on my taxes. So I didn't bother to learn when
it was more academic, but once it became practical, I was like,
no, I want to be mastery of my of my accounting.
You know, accounting is actually very annoying and very boring.
So I can, I can very much relate to the pains of people that
dislike accounting. But let's, I don't know if
you've seen previous episodes of those podcasts wherein I have
interviewed elite level neuroscientists.
I've had neuroscientists from Stanford University, you know,
from different Ivy League schools.
And it seems like the science and the practicality sometimes
have a deviation. But I'm going to put you on the
hotspot when it comes to cognitive decline and longevity.
So you've actually spoken about memory posting activities that
help to prevent Alzheimer's cognitive?
Decline. But do you think poor memory is
an inevitable part of aging, or just the same term of neglect?
Or exercise? Brain Exercising.
I think you're leaving out one very important part, which is
health. Your brain is an organ.
So if you don't have good diet and exercise, then then you're
not going to have as a healthy memory.
What we know now is so, so it's a complex answer basically.
So yes, absolutely. If we learn new things at almost
any age, our memory gets stronger and can, can bounce
back. If we start training our brain
when we're younger, it builds up what's called a cognitive
reserve, which gives us a resistance to dementia and
lowers those statistics as well. So all brain training is
absolutely fascinating and effective, but I think it's half
the story. The other half, if you're really
worried about losing your memory, is also a health issue.
And this doesn't, this doesn't help me.
I don't, I don't have any books on dieting or anything, but I'm
telling you that like your brain takes 25 to 30% of all your
oxygen. It takes almost as much of most
of your nutrients, minerals, things like that.
It's made of fat. It's a very selfish organ.
It takes the first of everything, right.
If you, if you start, you start to lose blood flow.
What happens like you're, you feel light headed first, your
arms don't get weak, right? Your legs that your, your head
does because it's the it's the most sensitive thing.
So, so it is true if you're overweight or if you're, if you
have an unhealthy lifestyle in any way, it affects your brain
first. I think that's what we're seeing
a lot in America. There is, there's a lot to,
there's a lot to unpack, but I am a big believer in the grain
brain theory by a good friend of mine, Doctor Perlmutter.
It came out a while ago. But I think this the, the data,
there's some data that contradicts it a little bit, but
I think most of it still backs it up.
And the idea is that if we have a diet that's high in sugar and
grains, those are very concentrated sources of energy,
right? And our microbiome eats that
stuff up too. And that microbiome can mess
with us. So the, the one good example is
we know in everybody's microbiome, everyone's gut,
there are, there's microbiomes in there that they convert sugar
into a hormone that makes you hungry.
So all the people out there who get like really powerful
cravings and you think this is genetic or you think this is
you, it's actually a little bacteria in your stomach that's
controlling you. Think about that and the more
sugar you feed it, the stronger it's going to get.
So a sugar fast is probably one of the best things you can do.
That means just cut out sugar and and complex carbs.
That's the bread, anything made with flour, right?
Do that for about a week. And and if you can't do that for
for a week, then you've got bigger problems.
But like you can motivate yourself to do that for a week,
then it kills all that little microbiome and you're going to
you're going to lose a lot of that those cravings that you
thought were were part of you. There's so many people who think
that they're cravings and they're the way they eat
everything is a part of their identity, and they're so
surprised when they realize it's actually just a little like
parasite, this little bacteria that's controlling you.
So a sugar fast is really important.
The other thing is that there's a lot of evidence that shows
that Alzheimer's might be a part of a cascade reaction to a sugar
in the brain. So sugar goes into the blood.
We do know that sugar goes past the blood brain barrier.
We also know now that some small bacteria gets past the blood
brain barrier. So if it's eating up sugar in
your brain, it starts to grow. And what happens is this is
getting really kind of technical, but basically there's
the the damage that is done with Alzheimer's, the actual wounds
to the brain are, are basically a beta amyloid, what's called a
plaque. And it's caused by this, this
beta amyloid substance in the brain.
And doctors for, for a long time, scientists trying to
figure out why is that going in the brain?
Why is it damaging the brain? And the theory that I think
holds the most weight is that it is a defense mechanism to, to
kill this bacteria. It's like dropping napalm in a
war. So the idea is that you eat a
bunch of sugar and it doesn't matter if you're fat or not.
Like you wouldn't, you wouldn't know it to look at somebody.
It's, it's, it's in the brain. You know what I mean?
Some people might be more susceptible to this and others,
there's a lot to unpack to understand.
But basically, if you, if you eat a bunch of sugar, this
bacteria grows, that beta amyloid comes in to destroy it
and it hurts the brain in the process.
It does that over and over and over.
And you have Alzheimer's and Alzheimer's is on the rise in
North America. It is growing.
It might be because of other things like toxins and things
like that, But in North America it is huge and around the world
it's not as much. But you don't see nearly as much
sugar, cornstarch and flour in foods around the world.
Like that's the one key thing. And we do know that people who
have better diets are much less likely for Alzheimer's.
People who train the brain regularly, much less likelihood
for Alzheimer's and and also regular exercise.
Regular exercise is so powerful. It's, it's on the decline now,
but because we know now that that exercising regularly really
doesn't burn a lot of fat. So it doesn't make you look like
exercising regularly will make you healthier, but it doesn't,
it's not like as we found out, as you can actually burn quite a
few calories just sitting on the couch.
That's the irony is that your body is burning calories all the
time. So exercise is not burning as
much calories as we think, but the act of exercising is making
your whole body so much healthier and so much stronger.
You're basically, it's a, it's a fountain of youth pill and, and
you're younger as you get older. Absolutely.
Like I might even surprise you about how old I am.
Wow, how old? How?
Old do you think I am? You guess, yeah.
Don't look at my bio, don't look online.
OK, I'll say 50. 50 yeah, you're right.
Well, I'm 51 now, but, but yeah, you're right.
No, most people judge in the 40s.
So now I, I feel bad. I got it.
I kind of primed you for that. You you knew, you knew I was
testing you and everything. So you were probably, you know,
you're probably set up. But, but like I, I'm in the best
shape of my life and I'm, you know, very energetic and, and,
and everything because I, you know, take care of myself.
So if you take care of your body, you take care of your
brain, it'll take care of you until we.
Hey, so let's talk about the application to leaders and
founders. Of course, the audience of this
broadcast is predominantly composed of entrepreneurs,
founders, executives, creatives, professionals under constant
cognitive workload. So if you're coaching ACEO or AC
suite executive with intense pressure and limited time, what
habits you know would you prioritize for them first?
Well the first thing I think is mindfulness to get your head on
straight 1st, and this is from my experience, start the day
with some time to yourself. So start the day early.
Too many people start and they're rushing and they jump
right into the problems and if their mindset is not right, they
can make a lot of mistakes. And myself included, I've made
mistakes. When I try to rush into that,
usually when I start the day with a little meditation or a
little time to myself, I have a much better day because you you
get on the right track. The other thing I would say is
you want to focus on productivity, actually getting
things done. There's a lot of busy work that
it's easy to fall into and it's no different from, you know,
doom scrolling and flipping through slides and stuff or
reels and stuff because you're craving stimulation.
And sometimes stimulation feels like you're getting something
done. But if you focus on tasks, you
know, the amount of tasks that you have to do, then, then you
can chip away at them and get them done.
One of the things that has made me very productive is that when
I follow it is when I use the focus burst technique, I also
map out those techniques. We call it blueprinting.
So you find out like when I was writing my my book, for example,
right? Like this is there's a big book
for a, for an ADD person to write, right?
So, but it's made-up of chapters.
Each of those chapters is made-up of concepts.
So what I would do is I would do a focus burst on each one of the
concepts and then do a focus burst on editing and everything.
So I could map out exactly how many little chunks of five to
seven minutes I would need. And then it was just a matter
of, well, what do I do? Well, I have these chunks that I
have to do. And what you want to do is get
rid of the friction of having to make decisions and just have it
all laid out in front of you know exactly what you have to
do. You don't have to to think and
plan and everything. Too many times we spend so much
effort every morning as entrepreneurs because there's so
much overwhelm and, and we're, we're trying to decide how our
day is going to be. If you can map all that stuff
out ahead of time and then just follow the plan, it helps your
executive brain functions. Just relax a little bit.
You don't have to have to be on the ball all the time.
You just have to focus on what you're doing at the time and
that way you can get more done. So that would be my my
suggestion. Focus on the little things.
Make a plan for your actual activity and and things you're
going to accomplish. You try to avoid a lot of the
busy work. You know, meetings can be
shorter, sometimes it can be a text, things like that.
And yeah. And and also starting the day
with some mindfulness and to clear your head that gives you a
better chance to fight the fight.
I love that sounds like stuff that I do.
So I I love to say this, that activity doesn't necessarily
generate productivity. And I hope you resonate with
that. And yeah, let's talk about the.
I agree with you. I agree with you.
You know, it takes a lot of discipline that people don't
see, you know, this discipline behind the results for yourself.
People see Gina's world record for myself, people see global
top 2%, right? Being in the top 2% in the world
at anything at all is is an uphill.
Task. But they don't see the training
that comes behind it. So what does cognitive
discipline look like behind the scenes?
And what does consistency look like in real life?
Our consistency is tough for everybody to get much less than
ADD person like me. So it's, it's always a goal, not
always a destination for sure. And I think, you know, don't be
so hard on yourself. If you're not doing everything
perfect, then you're, you're in here with the rest of us, most
people. I, I think that's, that's one of
the things there's also, there's also a philosophy that you can't
do everything. You can't be good at everything,
right? Like, you know, you look online
with content and there's people who are like, you know, they
have to start the day with their meditation and then their
special green smoothie and then they have to do a jog and then
they do the, their daily affirmations.
And of course you have to journal.
And by the time you get all that stuff done, have you gotten any
work done? So, so something has to give.
So it, it, it does have to be fluid.
If you're working on a project and you got a deadline, you
can't always, you know, go to the gym and work out.
Sometimes you got to, you got to sacrifice some of those things.
So don't be so hard on yourself and don't hold yourself to an
impossible standard where you have to do these things always
perfectly. It's just allow yourself to, you
know, have a couple of bad days and then get back to it and, and
get rid of the guilt. I'd say that that would be my
biggest, biggest advice that I want to give to my younger self.
We go with the flow, right? With the tide, like a sleeve to
the wave, you know? Yeah, well.
So let's talk about legacy. When it's all said and done,
where do you want your work, you know, to be?
And how do you want your body of work to be viewed in ten, 20-30
years from now? And what do you want to be true?
I don't know, I mean, I, I do take pride in, in what I've done
and, and the people I've helped. And I want to, you know, reboot
the, the memory business so I can help even more people now,
now that we've got organized and, and gotten some really good
content for people, but I don't really know how I want it to be
viewed. I kind of want that to be up to,
to others. I, I do it because of the
passion that I want to do it. It's like giving birth to me.
I, I want to have it come out of, of my mind and, and, and,
and exist in the world and be as good as I can make it and flaws
and all the best I can, I can come up with at the time and how
other people see it 100 years ago, 100 years from now or 10
years from now or something. I I think I could care less.
Perspective of a perception. I'm, I'm just, I'm not doing it
for them. I'm not doing it for
authenticity. I'm not doing it.
For for ego or something, I'm doing it because I, I feel like
it has to be. Have you ever heard of like, I
think it's Dharma, the, the Indian principle of Dharma, the,
the Hindu, Hindu principle of Dharma.
It it's, I'm going to butcher this and anybody who's Hindu,
please feel free to, to destroy me in the comments.
But essentially the way I was taught it is that your destiny
is a mixture of your talent and where you happen to be.
So if I'm on a boat and someone's drowning and I have a
life preserver, my destiny is to throw that life preserver,
right? That that doesn't mean that God
handed down this, this belief to me and oh, it is my time to do
that doesn't mean everything. Every destiny is like
predestined it. It's a little bit of where you
happen to be and how you can best contribute to the world.
So I never intended to be a memory guy.
I actually had a very bad memory that I never would have thought
I'd be the guy, right? Even to this day, I don't know
if it feels like me, but I knew I could help a lot of people.
I knew I could contribute something that would have some
real value and I could make money at it, obviously, and turn
it into a business and, and that was enough for me.
So I feel like I have to follow what is that destiny, that
Dharma and I, I, when once you start getting into a, how will
people see it in the future? And what's my legacy is, I don't
know. I, I, I used to think a lot
about that. And I mean, my legacy might be
my son looks like he's going to have a good life because of
decisions that I've made and I'm happy and proud about that.
I, I hope my employees and some people I work with are going to
be well off because of what I've done.
I hope a few of the things that I build we're still going to be
around after I'm gone, but I'm not sure how if I care.
I don't sure if I care so much about people's opinions today of
my legacy, much less 10/20 a hundred years from now.
Interesting stuff. You know, Speaking of helping
people, I know your website isdavefaro.com, that is DAVEFA
Double ROW, that is DA or what's V again?
I forgot it. We didn't need that Fox Alpha.
What's R? We've got to my knee to off of
it. You're doing great.
I'll call.
I'll call it Reaver. Reaver also.
Whiskey. What I would, what I would.
If people want courses and stuff, I actually suggest they
get my book Brain Hacker and also go to brainhackers.com.
Brain Hacker with an s.com and on there's a number of courses.
You see a banner at the top. You can click that.
If you want to take my memory immersion course, it's only $50
and in 30 days it'll transform your memory.
And also on there, there's a little over 150 of my friends
who are experts in their own right who have contributed brain
hacks to that site. It's a, it's a online magazine
that I am the editor of and it's some really good stuff.
So go to bring hackers.com and pick up Brain Hacker today and
take the Brain Hacker memory immersion program.
And that's probably the best way to to find it.
And, and if people are interested in having me speak to
their audience or something like that, then yeah, Dave farrow.com
is the way to get a hold. Of let's go, let's go.
So let's end this with a bang. 5 quick fire round questions for
you. Are you ready to rumble?
OK, so number one, what is 1 believe that reshaped your life?
So that it's not what you're born with, it's what you do with
it. I love that.
What is 1 daily brain habits you never skip?
Well I I hope I never skip it but there's bad times in my life
where I did unfortunately and I saw the results.
It's meditation. If you start the day or end the
day with clearing your mind, it has huge knock on effects to
everything else in your life. No matter what you're going
through, take some time for yourself.
Meditation is absolutely absolutely amazing.
What is 1 Food people should stop eating for better cognitive
or memory? Yeah, I gotta say, sugar is the
killer. I used to think in moderation
was OK, but I did some brain hacks to train my brain to not
crave sugar as much and it transformed my life.
I I stopped eating chocolates and the sneak the sweets and
little things that you sneak in here and there.
I lost weight, I'm healthier, I'm waking up earlier.
I'm not as Moody even like emotions are more stable.
Sugar is just, it's not natural for the human body.
We, we love it. It's tasty, you know, it maybe
we, we want to think it's good for us like alcohol or
something, but it's really not. There's no, there's, there's no
vitamins in there. There's nothing good for it.
And so just try cutting it out for a little while and see how
you feel if, if you're dealing with any sort of health
problems. I think everybody wants to say,
Oh, it's like what's in the water or it's what's in our
medicine or it's this or that, any of these complex thing.
And what if it's just the most common thing that tastes good
that we just can't avoid? Cut that out and see what
happens because it's transformational in my
experience. So what is 1 mistake you would
say made you stronger? A mistake I had was that when
my, when, when my brain started like I, I had some memory loss
and decline after COVID, I didn't notice it and other
people tried to tell me and I, I was in denial.
I think about it. And so it took a long time
before I, I tried to do the exercises to get my brain back.
And I wish I wouldn't have wish I wouldn't have done that.
I wish I would have focused more on on doing, practicing what I
preach there. There was a period of time, I'll
be honest with that. I, I stopped doing memory
techniques for a while because I was just stressed and I was
working on my business. And you know how it is, you
just, you just you don't pick up the weights for a while.
Just let everything go back to me, right?
And that, yeah, well, it was in the middle of a divorce and all
that stuff, too. So good.
Two years where I wasn't training my brain.
And now I see the results afterwards.
And now that I'm getting back into it, it's like, oh, I wish I
would have done this earlier. So it starts with the mindset.
It starts with that focus. You are in charge if it goes
through your head, don't let anybody tell you otherwise.
Certainly things can influence, advertisers influence, you know
loved one influence. But you are ultimately the the
guardian of the palace of your mind, so choose wisely.
Interesting. Use it or use it.
Mindset, skill sets and tool sets.
So the final one. Oh, yeah, and it surprised me
how quickly you can lose it. Yeah.
And, and I was always the guy who was always learning
something. So I took it for granted.
And and yeah, a good year. Then went into two years where I
wasn't really doing memory techniques, wasn't really
training my brain. And then all of a sudden I'm
sluggish. But it's not all of a sudden.
It was gradual, right? Other people noticed it and I
didn't, but it was, it was, you know, I'm absent minded and
stressed and all that stuff. And it's amazing how quickly you
can lose it, but you can gain it back even faster.
You just have to decide to. Yeah, you just need to train.
And if you were to describe legacy in one sentence, what
would that sentence be? I would have to say figure out
who you are and do it on purpose.
Don't be an accident. Absolutely.
I can't take credit for that phrase.
That was that was a line from my favorite philosopher in the
world. You're wondering who my favorite
philosopher in the world is. I want to know because I am a
modern day business philosopher. All right, my favorite
philosopher is Dolly Parton. She has said some of the most
wise things. Just look at her interviews.
Yeah, she's a brilliant. I will always love you, yeah.
Whoa, I love Doctor Bart. She's brilliant.
And yeah, she said figure out who you are and do it on
purpose. And it was just like, holy crap,
that that sums up life. Don't do it by accident.
Don't do what other people want you to do.
Just figure out who you are and don't listen to anybody else and
just do it. Just be it and and whatever
whatever aligns with that will come along for the ride and
whatever doesn't align then they weren't meant to be with you.
You know, I love to say be yourself because every other
person is taken. Wow.
So it's time to say goodbye, but I need to give you flowers,
Dave. This has been our amazing,
amazing episode and of course, it's been grounded and TP
valuable. So thank you very much for the
work you do and the discipline you represent.
I always love to say something that gratitude is good attitude
and when a person shares their time with you to share their
life with you because the SI you know for measuring life is time.
So Champions, this episode is not for passive listeners.
This is for people ready to train their mind like your
future depends on it because it actually does.
So from me to you, it's love and respect.
And of course, to the audience, always go for something in your
life, conceive, believe, strive to thrive and achieve.
For me, it's goodbye. And of course from Dave it's
goodbye. And do you want to leave a shout
out to anyone before you leave? I want to thank everybody out
there and I just wanted everyone to know that you're all brain
hackers. The minute you decide to take
control of the thoughts in your head, you're hacking your brain
and you're in charge. And that's that's the most
important thing you can do and anybody can do it.
Wow, stay in chat guys, it's goodbye from us.