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Luke, Mike Hazels, you write 42 00:02:39,400 --> 00:02:41,560 about accepting the apology you never got. 43 00:02:42,320 --> 00:02:44,760 Yes, yes. So why is this important for 44 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:49,120 personal piece and how can people practically apply it? 45 00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:56,080 OK, so accepting the apology you never got, it does go back to 46 00:02:56,440 --> 00:03:00,320 what I said to you being responsible for your own actions 47 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:02,840 and your contributions in a situation. 48 00:03:03,320 --> 00:03:07,240 And I believe that this particular title included in my 49 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:12,720 book, It Goes Well, boils down to being responsible for your 50 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:14,880 own emotions. Do you see? 51 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:18,120 I mean, we live with imperfect people. 52 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:20,920 We're talking about this today. Isn't it about imperfection? 53 00:03:20,920 --> 00:03:23,960 And that, you know, I'm not perfect, you're not perfect. 54 00:03:24,200 --> 00:03:27,120 And yeah, we live with imperfect people every day. 55 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:30,640 And they're going to hurt you intentionally or non 56 00:03:30,640 --> 00:03:32,000 intentionally. They're going to hurt you. 57 00:03:32,920 --> 00:03:34,800 Do you see? They will say things or they 58 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:37,600 might do things without knowing that they are hurting. 59 00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:40,640 But there's some people will do it knowingly. 60 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:42,600 But then are they going to apologize? 61 00:03:43,520 --> 00:03:47,440 No. Would they even realize that 62 00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:48,600 they've hurt you? No. 63 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:51,960 So what do you do in such a situation? 64 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:56,560 So that's what brought about that title for me. 65 00:03:56,720 --> 00:03:59,520 Accept the apology we never got. Because then that way you you're 66 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:01,560 able to move on because you're going to come. 67 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:06,160 You're going to come across people in life who are going to 68 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:10,280 hurt you 100%. Even the closest people to you 69 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:13,520 will hurt you. But they might not realize that 70 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:16,360 they've hurt you, or they might know that they did, but they 71 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:17,880 might not see the need to apologize. 72 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:21,000 But they feel justified. Yeah. 73 00:04:21,160 --> 00:04:24,840 So it's more of than taking control of your own emotions and 74 00:04:24,840 --> 00:04:26,560 saying, you know what? I'm going to move on from this. 75 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:28,960 I'm accepting the apology that I never got. 76 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:32,040 Yeah. So it's more like protecting 77 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:36,600 your own mind space, taking responsibility, protecting your 78 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:37,840 mind space. That's correct. 79 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:44,440 And in the course of, you know, studying your body of work, 80 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:47,640 right? I don't know if this is 81 00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:52,800 deliberate or if it is not a deliberate action, right? 82 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:55,000 And I'm gonna point this out to you. 83 00:04:56,520 --> 00:05:01,400 Yes, the, the word of God, the Bible is, you know, the bedrock, 84 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:06,000 the foundation, right? But do you also realize that you 85 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:13,840 have also done a great job in adopting principles across 86 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:22,200 different, you know, fields such as psychology, sociology, 87 00:05:22,840 --> 00:05:28,640 philosophy, right? You've been able to make, you 88 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:35,600 know, the social sciences, you know, quite well and also 89 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:44,280 logically, as I am. Oh, well, you know, would I say, 90 00:05:44,280 --> 00:05:47,080 well read or vastly read individual, right. 91 00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:53,080 And I've, you know, studied across, you know, the social 92 00:05:53,080 --> 00:05:55,600 sciences. I wasn't a faculty of social 93 00:05:55,600 --> 00:05:59,840 sciences, you know, doing university courses in economics 94 00:05:59,840 --> 00:06:03,880 and psychology and sociology, in demography, in statistics, 95 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:08,400 right. So you touch on things relating 96 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:11,120 to finance, for example, I'm a finance professional, so. 97 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:15,640 I understand, I see where. People are stating principles 98 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:19,000 that are consistent, right? And there's something with 99 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:23,320 philosophy, right? It's something called arguments 100 00:06:23,320 --> 00:06:27,880 and critical reasoning, right? There are arguments that are 101 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:30,360 solid. There are arguments that are are 102 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:34,160 a fallacy, right. If your premises right leads to 103 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:37,160 a reasonable conclusion, it means you are being logical. 104 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:40,240 You're following a logical sequence and I see that logical 105 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:42,840 sequence. So would you say it's a 106 00:06:42,840 --> 00:06:46,520 deliberate effort from you, you know, mixing principles on 107 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:53,200 psychology, mixing principles from sociology, for example, 108 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:56,360 because mine is a social animal, you touch a lot on social 109 00:06:56,360 --> 00:07:02,040 interactions, right? So basically you are taking, you 110 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:05,920 know, principles from sociology into your body of work as well. 111 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:09,480 You're taking, you know, philosophies, right? 112 00:07:09,840 --> 00:07:14,920 You know logical reasoning right into what you're doing. 113 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:19,760 So talk to us about it. It was it a deliberate effort or 114 00:07:19,760 --> 00:07:22,120 it's something that just came together on its own? 115 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:24,960 I. Mean I've read several books, 116 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:29,720 you know, and like I said, there's principles that govern 117 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:33,560 the different areas in our lives, you know, and people have 118 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:36,840 written books about it, you know, So if you want to zero in 119 00:07:36,840 --> 00:07:40,120 on a particular subject, then you can read like for example, 120 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:43,120 about habits. You know, we are creatures of 121 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:44,360 habit. But then if you want to build 122 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:48,560 good habits, you have books that can guide you in that direction. 123 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:53,000 You know, the Bible also talks about the fact that God has 124 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:57,520 given to us all things that pertain to this life and to 125 00:07:57,520 --> 00:08:00,600 godliness. So even the principles of 126 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:04,520 finances, marriage, you know, raising children, etcetera. 127 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:06,880 It's all in the Bible. Do you see? 128 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:11,080 So some things that I do include and references and quotes from 129 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:14,840 other people when you really, really think about it, but it 130 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:19,680 all boils down to what was said originally in the scriptures. 131 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:22,720 You know, like if you find a lot of motivational speakers talk 132 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:28,400 about giving a lot, they talk about helping other people. 133 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:32,480 So a lot of these motivational speakers talk about if you want 134 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:35,080 to be great, if you want to be a personal value, which is 135 00:08:35,480 --> 00:08:37,159 something I'm very, very passionate about. 136 00:08:37,640 --> 00:08:41,400 You know, it says seek to be that value so that you can add 137 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:44,560 value to others. Do you see and it's something 138 00:08:44,560 --> 00:08:48,200 that Jesus came and said when you first came, you know, 139 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:52,360 preaching his message about love God with all your heart and then 140 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:54,920 love your fellow man as yourself. 141 00:08:55,280 --> 00:09:00,560 Do good to the next person. So when all those principles, 142 00:09:00,560 --> 00:09:05,920 when you when you think about it, the origin is from the 143 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:11,080 scriptures was the Lord said he's given us everything that 144 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:14,800 pertained to this life and to godliness as well. 145 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:20,000 So honestly, I wouldn't I can't say I've touched on any 146 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:24,400 psychology like intentionally I may have through reading, but I 147 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:27,120 wouldn't know that I'm actually coming from a psychology side, 148 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:30,080 you know, unlike yourself, maybe you might recognize some of the 149 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:34,240 things because you studied it, but I wouldn't intentionally. 150 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:38,840 Yeah, yeah, because I never did study psychology that. 151 00:09:38,920 --> 00:09:43,240 Is making sense. Yeah, but I did study theology. 152 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:46,320 Oh. Yeah, I studied theology but not 153 00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:50,280 psychology and maybe do touch on it because some principles, you 154 00:09:50,280 --> 00:09:54,040 know, they do kind of crossover into other areas, intersect, 155 00:09:54,040 --> 00:09:55,000 intersect. That's it. 156 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:57,800 Yeah. So let me put you on the spot 157 00:09:57,800 --> 00:10:01,800 then. I am very scientific as much as 158 00:10:01,800 --> 00:10:06,240 I'm a man of faith, right? So I think and that probably 159 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:09,440 comes from, would I say excessive studying? 160 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:15,080 Yes. Faith. 161 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:16,640 Yeah, they say faith with how it. 162 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:18,120 Works is dead. Yes, right. 163 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:20,160 Absolutely. And I love the way you're 164 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:23,040 dropping the scriptures today. You know, I mean, you did tell 165 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:25,240 me, you know a lot of scriptures, but it's as if 166 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:28,560 you're saving a lot of them to drop them today. 167 00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:29,760 OK. Just. 168 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:33,280 Just OK, just. Just for the records. 169 00:10:33,280 --> 00:10:38,720 Right, I did graduate from the School of Disciples Reading. 170 00:10:38,880 --> 00:10:40,160 Christianity. You did. 171 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:41,880 You mentioned it. I'm a Bible scholar. 172 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:44,760 Yes, yes, you mentioned. And actually as a teenager I did 173 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:47,600 with the whole of the Bible, Genesis, the revelation. 174 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:51,000 So when this he studied tissue that he's ever proved, I have 175 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:53,360 dubbed put in my time. I've done my time, I've paid my 176 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:55,440 GS. I've read the whole Bible sound. 177 00:10:55,720 --> 00:10:57,560 Like that's it, then you're done. 178 00:10:57,560 --> 00:11:00,920 No, no, no, like. I'm saying that it shouldn't be 179 00:11:00,920 --> 00:11:04,800 surprising. When I pull out these references 180 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:06,000 right? I well, I didn't know. 181 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:08,800 I knew you knew scriptures, but I didn't know it was this deep. 182 00:11:09,400 --> 00:11:13,160 Yeah. Like, I think it's a whole year 183 00:11:13,160 --> 00:11:17,680 of my life going to like theology school, right? 184 00:11:17,920 --> 00:11:21,640 So tell me why? It's like you've been surprised 185 00:11:21,960 --> 00:11:23,600 Why I. Understand finance being a 186 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:26,960 chartered accountant. Why I don't put it out there 187 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:30,000 that I, I, it's not on my CV, right? 188 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:32,040 But I did go to the school. OK. 189 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:34,320 So. Honestly. 190 00:11:34,560 --> 00:11:36,360 I don't wish my parents school fees. 191 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:43,600 I think I remember. Was it? 192 00:11:44,200 --> 00:11:45,760 Yeah. My parents actually just pushed 193 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:48,960 me into it. Like OK, go and do this thing, 194 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:50,680 OK? I know, I know it. 195 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:55,360 Sometimes they want you to have a solid before you can start 196 00:11:55,360 --> 00:11:59,000 doing Pinterest. So so no problem. 197 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:01,680 I'm done dude. So like. 198 00:12:01,680 --> 00:12:04,960 I've, I've always been a nerd, yeah, as a kid. 199 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:07,640 So I grew up as a skinny kid, right? 200 00:12:07,640 --> 00:12:09,480 So. As I was studying. 201 00:12:10,760 --> 00:12:13,120 That's a good thing, that's a good thing, and a very good 202 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:14,640 thing came out of it too. Oh, wow. 203 00:12:14,720 --> 00:12:15,880 Thank you. Yeah, Yeah, Thank you. 204 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:18,440 Yes. I I guess my parents will be 205 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:24,640 happy, but you know, for. Me, I I don't know. 206 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:30,360 I OK, there's something we did in what's it called law business 207 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:32,480 law. They say Nemo Judex in courses 208 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:36,240 were a man cannot be a judge in his own case, right? 209 00:12:36,560 --> 00:12:38,960 Or I think I'm being a judge in my own case right now. 210 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:44,480 I feel like I tried. I do a good job in achieving a 211 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:52,160 balance between my belief in science and my belief in the 212 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:56,920 Christian faith. So I I'm a very strong believer, 213 00:12:56,920 --> 00:13:00,320 but at the same time I followed the principles of science. 214 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:04,760 I'm very empty people, you know, in terms of my judgement and 215 00:13:04,760 --> 00:13:09,400 also by work my professional training as as an auditor, 216 00:13:09,880 --> 00:13:14,600 right, like 2 of the global peak for accounting firms, right? 217 00:13:14,800 --> 00:13:17,400 So basically gives you a particular kind of structured 218 00:13:17,400 --> 00:13:22,720 mindset, right, to think and you evaluate things based on 219 00:13:22,800 --> 00:13:29,280 verifiable data, right? So for me, achieving a balance 220 00:13:29,280 --> 00:13:39,160 of science and recent faith, did you think therapy, speaking to 221 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:46,080 professional therapists is a good thing for individuals that 222 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:48,640 are present? Like what are your thoughts on 223 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:49,960 it? I'm sorry to put you on a hot 224 00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:55,200 seat, but. Wasn't the whole thing so? 225 00:13:59,160 --> 00:14:04,800 What do you think about therapy? Because I, I, I usually make 226 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:08,800 this joke about me growing up in Nigeria. 227 00:14:08,800 --> 00:14:12,200 You grew up in Zimbabwe, right? I see a lot of similarities 228 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:13,880 between Zimbabweans and Nigerians. 229 00:14:14,200 --> 00:14:17,640 Zimbabweans are quite superstitious set of people. 230 00:14:17,640 --> 00:14:19,240 Nigerians are also superstitious. 231 00:14:19,680 --> 00:14:24,360 Tell me which kind. Of Nigerians, Nigerians are very 232 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:26,960 religious. Zimbabwe is a very religious 233 00:14:27,160 --> 00:14:29,320 right. It's it's quite funny how. 234 00:14:29,360 --> 00:14:32,680 It's like an African thing. Yeah, but Zimbabwe? 235 00:14:32,680 --> 00:14:35,680 Is on another level because you hear Zimbabwe names like trust 236 00:14:35,680 --> 00:14:38,360 in. God confidence believe I would 237 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:41,680 like congratulations I've. Never heard of that one. 238 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:47,960 Thank God, the lightning God, God, God. 239 00:14:47,960 --> 00:14:48,880 You know their name. It's. 240 00:14:49,160 --> 00:14:52,120 In the language in in the native language, right? 241 00:14:52,760 --> 00:14:56,520 Not not the English language. In the dating language and in 242 00:14:56,520 --> 00:14:57,840 the English language. And I'm like. 243 00:14:58,160 --> 00:15:00,480 But it's a good thing though. You need. 244 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:02,960 Be. Thank God, thank. 245 00:15:04,840 --> 00:15:09,240 You Jesus. No way the Zimbabweans that do 246 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:11,480 the most. Makes a, makes a. 247 00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:13,240 Good, but. But how about congratulations? 248 00:15:13,440 --> 00:15:15,120 How about congratulations? I've never heard of that one 249 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:16,520 before, this is my first time hearing it. 250 00:15:16,840 --> 00:15:18,200 You ever heard? This is my first time hearing 251 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:21,280 it, but I think any name we've got attached to it. 252 00:15:21,760 --> 00:15:26,080 I mean, you have a better chance than one without it. 253 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:30,720 You have a better chance. OK, OK, we've got all these are 254 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:33,200 possible, so. OK, so. 255 00:15:34,920 --> 00:15:37,000 Therapy. Yeah, therapy. 256 00:15:37,280 --> 00:15:44,040 Yes, as in is it a good thing or just to clarify your question? 257 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:48,280 Like, what's your stance on it? Because Africans, right? 258 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:50,160 Yeah. And I like to make that joke 259 00:15:50,160 --> 00:15:54,040 about, yeah, Nigerians, Zimbabweans, Africans, basically 260 00:15:54,040 --> 00:15:58,360 the African mentality basically is they are not open to people 261 00:15:58,360 --> 00:16:02,480 speaking to therapists. And unfortunately, we don't like 262 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:06,200 to take mental health, you know, very seriously if you have a 263 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:08,600 mental health. Issues they will like go and 264 00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:14,160 read your Bible or go and pray like well I literally do a 265 00:16:14,160 --> 00:16:16,720 Zimbabwe. Friend that told me, oh, I 266 00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:19,480 sustained an injury at work and then I'm like OK, have you 267 00:16:19,480 --> 00:16:23,640 spoken to your GP about it? Like OK, talk to a physio 268 00:16:23,640 --> 00:16:27,000 because I have done physio. I've seen chiropractors who have 269 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:29,360 actually helped improve my own personal health. 270 00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:33,240 So when I'm talking to you telling you to see a physio like 271 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:37,000 I am saying this because I've exploded and you guess what the 272 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:40,680 person told me said no, I've prayed about it and you know the 273 00:16:40,680 --> 00:16:42,800 shoulder is relieving me. I'm like what? 274 00:16:44,360 --> 00:16:46,040 Because you're a science, do you? 275 00:16:46,280 --> 00:16:50,400 Know what internal injuries and cost you. 276 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:53,520 You're telling me you've prayed about it itself? 277 00:16:53,520 --> 00:16:58,040 You see the physio 'cause. I know what muscle injuries can 278 00:16:58,040 --> 00:17:00,360 do to you and. And I get and I and I get. 279 00:17:00,360 --> 00:17:03,120 It are you telling me you have prayed about it so? 280 00:17:04,480 --> 00:17:07,960 I, I get where you're coming from, Ade, You see, I, I get 281 00:17:07,960 --> 00:17:10,440 where you're coming from because remember you did say you're like 282 00:17:10,440 --> 00:17:13,560 a, a science guy. You try and find that difference 283 00:17:13,560 --> 00:17:17,079 in that balance. But then you see the Bible also 284 00:17:17,079 --> 00:17:20,560 talks about each man shall live according to his faith. 285 00:17:21,040 --> 00:17:25,000 You see, it's a good thing to seek therapy to see the doctor, 286 00:17:25,240 --> 00:17:26,920 but it's also according to your faith. 287 00:17:28,160 --> 00:17:30,320 Do you see? You know, it's like my. 288 00:17:30,360 --> 00:17:33,040 Parents generation, right? The thing with my. 289 00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:39,400 Parents generation is a lot of them, I think when I tried to 290 00:17:39,400 --> 00:17:43,920 psychoanalyze them, suffer from a lot of untreated on healed 291 00:17:43,920 --> 00:17:50,960 traumas because they did not open up to therapy, right And 292 00:17:51,080 --> 00:17:56,840 they held up to religion. I think religion was like an 293 00:17:56,880 --> 00:18:03,160 Ave. for them to to deal with a lot of, you know, their mental 294 00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:05,400 health challenges. That's why you see a lot of 295 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:09,720 people in church, you know, and a lot of people I, I think the, 296 00:18:09,760 --> 00:18:13,760 the pastors are even like being overwhelmed, taking up, you know 297 00:18:15,560 --> 00:18:21,040 what I say challenges that they probably shouldn't typically be 298 00:18:21,040 --> 00:18:23,440 dealing with because yes, there are spiritual, you know, 299 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:25,360 challenges, there are physical challenges, right? 300 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:30,080 You're speaking to a pastor who probably studied guidance and 301 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:32,480 counseling, right? Or probably. 302 00:18:32,760 --> 00:18:35,640 Let's even change that. Ghana's counselor is good. 303 00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:41,200 Apostle studies theology, right. And this is also good. 304 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:43,120 Yeah. Right. 305 00:18:43,520 --> 00:18:50,240 But this pastor doesn't have any idea about, like, certain health 306 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:53,640 problems, for example, mental health problems. 307 00:18:53,760 --> 00:18:58,600 I think student psychology, for example, talked about, you know, 308 00:18:58,880 --> 00:19:02,320 you deal with people who are schizophrenic, right, who have 309 00:19:02,320 --> 00:19:05,640 personality disorders, for example, like, so a person like 310 00:19:05,640 --> 00:19:09,720 myself will probably be better equipped, you know, interacting 311 00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:15,120 or providing advice to certain individuals, right? 312 00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:22,560 But we overwhelmed pastors who were probably not very well 313 00:19:22,560 --> 00:19:25,480 equipped in terms of understanding certain problems, 314 00:19:25,480 --> 00:19:27,720 right? And you know, the only 315 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:30,120 recommendation is you pray, pray, pray, pray, pray. 316 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:32,400 All right, can, can, can I? Oh no. 317 00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:36,080 Please, please address the issue. 318 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:40,200 Defend your African people. Yes. 319 00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:48,200 So having been in the church for 21 years now, I've come to learn 320 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:53,160 that with the Lord you walk with him with wisdom. 321 00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:57,160 When you walk closely with the Lord, it's it's not a case of or 322 00:19:57,160 --> 00:19:58,480 we just pray, pray, pray, pray, pray. 323 00:19:58,680 --> 00:20:01,760 We don't walk in ignorance. You see, when you walk in God's 324 00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:07,680 principles, you know as well that you need to be be educated. 325 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:10,680 You know, you did mention a scripture earlier that started 326 00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:13,880 to show yourself approved. So when you study, you will come 327 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:17,200 to an understanding of certain things you see. 328 00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:19,840 And when you walk closely with the Lord, you're also able to 329 00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:23,160 discern, you know, to be, you know, you're able to know 330 00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:26,400 whether it's a situation where you need to go to the hospital, 331 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:30,000 you need to go and get medication because God also 332 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:33,720 heals through medication. So my church, for instance, 333 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:37,520 which is an awesome church, by the way, you know, they teach 334 00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:41,760 the, the truth in its most balanced form. 335 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:45,320 So when you need medication, you're going to get medication. 336 00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:48,160 If it needs prayer, we pray. Do you see? 337 00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:51,040 And there's, and that's why as as I mentioned earlier, having a 338 00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:53,280 mentor, they also know how to guide. 339 00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:55,640 So they won't tell you that, OK, just go and pray. 340 00:20:55,840 --> 00:20:59,080 OK, just go and pray because because they hear from the Lord. 341 00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:01,120 Remember I mentioned to you earlier that you need a mentor 342 00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:03,760 who hears from the Lord Because they hear from the Lord, they 343 00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:05,640 can then also advise you accordingly. 344 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:09,520 You see, that's not just a case of oh, because in church we 345 00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:11,080 pray. Just pray about everything. 346 00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:13,080 Did you get my point? Let. 347 00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:14,400 Me ask. It's not. 348 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:18,720 So it's not all churches. I know many churches. 349 00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:23,400 And also one thing I wanted to ask just very quickly, very 350 00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:28,480 quickly. Some pastors may the congregants 351 00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:32,560 pastor dependent, which is not a good thing. 352 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:37,080 They're supposed to equip the believer to stand in the Lord 353 00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:39,200 for themselves. Do you see now? 354 00:21:39,360 --> 00:21:41,680 So that's the difference. So now the reason why they're 355 00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:45,160 most churches are inundated with, oh, I've got this, I need 356 00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:47,280 to heal from this. I need to, you know, I need help 357 00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:49,200 with this and that, I mean, it's not a bad thing. 358 00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:52,800 People can go to the pastors for help, for prayers, for healing. 359 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:56,760 But then if they leave the congregants to be dependent on 360 00:21:56,760 --> 00:21:58,800 them, that's what ends up happening. 361 00:21:59,120 --> 00:22:02,520 But whereas in my church, for instance, they teach you to seek 362 00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:05,240 the Lord for yourself and know him for yourself. 363 00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:07,680 Do you get it? So when things come up, you're 364 00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:11,440 able to actually pray yourself through and you also get the 365 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:14,720 wisdom to know what to do in any given situation. 366 00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:16,400 I I. Feel like you're fortunate? 367 00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:21,880 To be in a church where you have educated leaders. 368 00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:23,640 Very educated. Leaders. 369 00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:27,080 They're enlightened. Not just enlightened, that's 370 00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:32,000 posed. 2. And they are noted. 371 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:34,240 They're blessed. So you're just simply blessed, 372 00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:35,240 right? Amen. 373 00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:39,240 But unfortunately. Not everybody's as best as you 374 00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:42,680 are. But then I'm gonna add more fuel 375 00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:44,800 to this fight. I'm gonna add more fuel to this 376 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:46,160 fight. Zimbabwe. 377 00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:50,080 Nigeria. Like right and me being a social 378 00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:53,840 scientist that I am right, sometimes I just observe from 379 00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:58,960 the flats, right observe, you know, social dynamic, right? 380 00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:07,920 I observe goings on right, in social institution, right, and 381 00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:13,520 social situations now in Nigeria, and I think that it 382 00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:16,960 should be similar to what happens in Zimbabwe as well. 383 00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:23,400 There are a lot of individuals who are neuro divergent, for 384 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:28,960 example, people with ADHD, people with autism, right? 385 00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:32,160 Yeah, that autistic, right. And you know, it's a spectrum. 386 00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:36,320 So for some people they are, you know, severely affected, Some 387 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:38,320 people are mildly affected, right? 388 00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:42,640 Some people moderately affected. Right now, when individuals are 389 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:47,120 neurodivergent, the the traditional African perspective 390 00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:53,720 is usually to dismiss them or to regard them as, you know, on 391 00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:59,960 feet, you know, individuals. I don't see that help, you know, 392 00:23:59,960 --> 00:24:05,480 that understanding of these conditions, right until lately, 393 00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:08,600 I think maybe with my own generation. 394 00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:14,480 And then the Jazzy's, right, people are more exposed to like 395 00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:19,040 enlightenment about, you know, mental health challenges, about 396 00:24:19,120 --> 00:24:21,640 people being different. You've been neurodivergent 397 00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:24,000 doesn't necessarily mean that you are abnormal, right? 398 00:24:24,360 --> 00:24:29,440 But in the days of, you know, my parents and you know, my 399 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:34,200 grandparents, right, Such individuals were typically 400 00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:40,360 dismissed as abnormal, right? In Nigeria growing up, right, 401 00:24:40,360 --> 00:24:43,080 when I was in primary school. It's, it's quite, you know, 402 00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:47,360 unfortunate how if you're not good at mathematics or good at 403 00:24:47,360 --> 00:24:51,760 setting, you know, courses and you score 0 year test and the 404 00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:56,360 teachers will basically shame you, tell the other kids to 405 00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:59,760 label you as something called ulodo, meaning you are a dumb 406 00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:03,560 head, right? And that's psychologically 407 00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:06,880 damages a lot of individuals, right? 408 00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:13,520 So really like, what's your own take on how individuals who are 409 00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:17,080 neuro divergent right, can be helped? 410 00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:22,320 Can you know, because there are, we have special needs schools, 411 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:25,040 right? And not even all individuals 412 00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:28,680 need to be in session, need schools like with advancement 413 00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:35,920 in, you know, technology and psychology for training of 414 00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:41,480 teachers, I think people better understand these conditions and 415 00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:46,560 these individuals are being given better support, right, in 416 00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:49,480 order to achieve excellence in life, right? 417 00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:54,160 Right of the Church. Yes, yes, in, in terms of the 418 00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:59,200 Church, right, Because when these individuals are, you know, 419 00:25:59,360 --> 00:26:02,120 probably presented to like church leaders, right, religious 420 00:26:02,120 --> 00:26:05,920 leaders, a lot of them just dismiss them as, you know, cases 421 00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:08,080 that they just need prayers, right? 422 00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:13,000 But adequate counseling that's not given in our religious 423 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:19,440 institutions, especially back home, right, about helping this 424 00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:25,400 individual psychologically. So like how did you help you 425 00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:31,720 know the church right to be able to apply science right with 426 00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:39,080 faith and make make it work? Well, I think it goes back to 427 00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:43,760 what I was saying where there are times when you know, you 428 00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:47,560 know through discerning that you need medication and prayers 429 00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:50,400 working hand in hand. So I think people in that 430 00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:55,320 disposition, they need to be seen to by special needs people, 431 00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:57,240 definitely. I mean, because obviously they 432 00:26:57,240 --> 00:27:00,000 don't live the same lives that we do. 433 00:27:00,360 --> 00:27:04,040 If I would, if I could say no more lives, they don't live the 434 00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:06,320 way we do. So they need to have the special 435 00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:09,600 needs met. But I think at the same time, 436 00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:13,160 there's no harm in putting in prayer. 437 00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:16,960 There's no harm in putting in prayer because I've had the 438 00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:20,560 situation. I'll speak of myself personally. 439 00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:25,480 I, I remember before I got born again, and that was like about a 440 00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:30,200 year before I think I, I was really going through a lot of 441 00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:35,200 like emotional pain and mental turmoil and I was referred to a 442 00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:38,200 psychologist. Yeah, interesting. 443 00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:40,040 I'd yeah. Interesting. 444 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:42,800 Yes. Tell us more about this one. 445 00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:46,280 Yes, I was referred to 1. You know, funny when you're 446 00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:48,520 saying it. I totally forgot about Auntie. 447 00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:50,840 You started mentioning it and the Lord just brought it back to 448 00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:54,400 my remembrance, remember? And I went the first time. 449 00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:59,880 They were asking me questions, I was answering When I left, I 450 00:27:59,880 --> 00:28:04,280 didn't feel any different. I went the second time, but deep 451 00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:09,480 inside me I knew that this is the one I need. 452 00:28:10,120 --> 00:28:12,760 It wasn't helping me. So do you know what I said to 453 00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:14,800 the lady? I said, you know what? 454 00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:19,640 I don't want to come back. It's His, yes. 455 00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:23,600 Niger, did you say I don't do again? 456 00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:26,880 I did. I was, I was, I was very honest 457 00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:30,000 and I said and I said don't want to come back. 458 00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:31,920 And these were my I'll never forget this. 459 00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:36,760 These were my exact words. I said I don't want to waste 460 00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:40,280 your times and I don't want you to waste my time. 461 00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:44,680 I didn't. You know who? 462 00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:46,080 Was wasted. Whose time? 463 00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:52,120 I was thinking we would both. I said, I don't want you to 464 00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:53,760 waste my time. I don't want to waste your time. 465 00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:56,440 You know why? Because I realized it wasn't 466 00:28:56,440 --> 00:29:02,920 working for me, you see, because what I needed was something deep 467 00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:04,760 inside that nobody else could touch. 468 00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:09,320 And at that time, I didn't know it was Jesus DC. 469 00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:14,960 So when now I got born again, that's what I needed, DC. 470 00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:18,200 And I have a friend. I have a friend of mine who at 471 00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:20,920 the time, they couldn't stop drinking. 472 00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:25,800 It was just drinking nonstop and they tried to go to like an A, a 473 00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:30,440 type of meeting, but it was a nonstop situation until they 474 00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:33,120 also then realized this is beyond me. 475 00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:36,240 Do you see? So a lot of people try so hard 476 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:40,680 in their own strength to, to change, to be better, to heal 477 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:45,280 in, you know, but then that's why for me, I don't lean too 478 00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:50,840 much on motivational speaking in as much as I motivate people in 479 00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:54,800 as much as I, I do my best to inspire people, but I always 480 00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:58,080 want to tell them the truth of where the true healing comes 481 00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:01,640 from, you see, and which is from Christ. 482 00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:06,440 So everything else works together with so the science bit 483 00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:09,920 that you were talking about, which is the medication which is 484 00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:14,080 being hospitalized, you know, going to institutions, it's 485 00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:17,920 absolutely needed and necessary. But he can still work hand in 486 00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:22,800 hand with prayer because God still uses, you know, the 487 00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:24,480 natural medication to heal people. 488 00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:27,040 I mean, you've heard of people saying, oh, I need to go for an 489 00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:30,880 operation. We have testimonies in my church 490 00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:35,880 where people have gone under the knife right before the doctors 491 00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:38,640 could do anything. After one last scan, they said, 492 00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:40,760 we can't find what we're trying to take out. 493 00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:43,640 That's a miracle right there. Yeah. 494 00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:47,240 But then there's some people we still need to go through it. 495 00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:50,480 Do you see? So it all depends on how, how 496 00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:54,160 God decides, you know, to heal the person and for the and for 497 00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:57,040 what purpose. What's the purpose of the person 498 00:30:57,040 --> 00:31:00,760 who had to go through the whole, the whole process of having the 499 00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:02,840 operation? And what is the purpose of the 500 00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:06,120 person who never did get to do the operation even though there 501 00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:09,840 was something to operate? You see? 502 00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:11,880 Yeah. That's actually thought from 4 503 00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:12,760 kids. Yeah, right. 504 00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:16,600 So basically, individuals are different. 505 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:21,560 Very different and how God, yeah, yeah, like administers is 506 00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:23,560 here. It's very different. 507 00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:26,880 It's very, very different. It's like, for example, like you 508 00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:30,760 did ask me like what would you recommend in terms of like 509 00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:33,640 healing? And I did say going to God, our 510 00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:37,400 healer, and that's one thing I remember I did, went to him 511 00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:39,760 trusting and believing him for something. 512 00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:46,160 And it went rather the opposite, like 360, you went opposite from 513 00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:48,600 what I was believing. But then there was a purpose in 514 00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:51,960 it. There was a purpose in God not 515 00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:55,720 letting it go in the direction that I wanted it to, even though 516 00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:57,720 I was believing and trusting and I had faith. 517 00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:00,840 But then now when you walk with him very closely, like I said, 518 00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:04,080 it's not just a case of pray, pray, pray, pray, pray, all 519 00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:06,320 because we just have to pray. But when you walk with Him 520 00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:09,760 closely now you're able to discern that, no, maybe God is 521 00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:13,360 putting you in a season where He wants to change something and 522 00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:18,000 you heal you, maybe break you, do something so He can use you 523 00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:20,680 for His purpose. Do you see? 524 00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:23,960 So in the healing, as you asked, just going back to that 525 00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:27,920 statement that you made, people should not expect that it might 526 00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:31,400 be instant. Sometimes God does it in His own 527 00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:33,320 way. So one day the person can also 528 00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:37,560 have a message or a testimony which will bless someone else. 529 00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:40,360 Yeah, they either wait on the Lord. 530 00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:44,520 Shall renew their strength. Mount up with wings like eagle. 531 00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:47,440 Yeah, they shall run, I know. Yeah, absolutely. 532 00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:53,880 Your family judge tomorrow. OK, so power scriptures inside 533 00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:58,400 you. Before you go right, so you've 534 00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:03,000 been the founder, the author of Smell the Coffee, Mike capsules, 535 00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:06,160 Whole Chin and motivational resources. 536 00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:11,920 So what's your ultimate vision for these initiatives and how do 537 00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:15,400 you see grading to the future? So what's the legacy you want to 538 00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:20,680 leave behind with your body of? Work my legacy is become a 539 00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:24,760 person of value. That's the legacy and you are my 540 00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:28,520 book launch and you saw that I titled it Become a Person of 541 00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:30,960 Value. And I'm sure people wonder, 542 00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:33,960 like, how can you say that I should become a person of value? 543 00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:37,080 I believe I have value. Why should I become someone in 544 00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:38,520 value? Am I not valuable? 545 00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:39,960 You know? But I believe that there are 546 00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:46,640 principles that differentiate us from people who don't become of 547 00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:48,640 value. Because you see, when you become 548 00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:53,600 someone who has value, you have influence, then you make, you 549 00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:56,720 know, you become successful, you know, and some of the principles 550 00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:59,960 I share in my book, you know, that bring about that value. 551 00:33:59,960 --> 00:34:04,640 And I believe that the ultimate value is to become a vessel in 552 00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:07,160 God's hand. There's a Scripture in the book 553 00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:11,639 of Timothy which talks about their vessels in a house, 554 00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:15,440 vessels of honour, you know, the Scripture, and vessels of 555 00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:17,159 dishonour. And he said that. 556 00:34:17,159 --> 00:34:22,480 But if you become a vessel of honour, then you become that 557 00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:24,560 useful vessel in God's hand, isn't it? 558 00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:27,880 Yeah. So I with refer to that 559 00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:30,560 scripture, people say how can I become a person of value? 560 00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:34,719 I say, yeah, well if you can be of value, you can be of no 561 00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:36,600 value. And that Scripture says it 562 00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:38,960 clearly that there are some, there are some vessels that are 563 00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:41,000 for honour and some for dishonour. 564 00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:44,199 But then if you are a vessel of honour, God can use you. 565 00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:48,440 He can make you a vessel that he can use, the Bible says for the 566 00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:50,080 master's youth. Yeah. 567 00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:51,800 It's a master. 'S that's. 568 00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:55,840 Yeah, wow. It's been a really, really 569 00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:59,360 intense, insightful session today with you. 570 00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:03,240 For me, I like to see an attitude of gratitude is good 571 00:35:03,240 --> 00:35:06,480 attitude. So for me, to you, it's a very, 572 00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:11,360 very big thank you. Just to show. 573 00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:14,840 The. Book my capsule, make me your 574 00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:17,920 official marketer and give me Commission. 575 00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:19,360 Well, due to that, give me commissions. 576 00:35:19,720 --> 00:35:22,520 For people who buy from the poor tax. 577 00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:28,280 So where can people get this? From SO, people can get this 578 00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:31,640 from my website whichissmellthecoffee.org. 579 00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:35,440 You can also find this on Amazon, Barnes and Nobles, 580 00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:38,360 Blackwells as well. And Waterstones. 581 00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:41,760 Yes, Waterstones. OK, interesting. 582 00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:44,640 So before you need, you want to do a shout out to anybody. 583 00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:48,320 Oh yes, I want to give a big shout out to my mentors, which 584 00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:53,080 I've spoken to about, sorry, my pastors, Pastor Victor, Pastor 585 00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:55,680 Lydia Darte. I couldn't be where I am today 586 00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:58,960 if it wasn't for you. And the biggest shout out is to 587 00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:01,080 God Almighty. And I want to thank him for 588 00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:04,640 where he's brought me and every time that he's always come 589 00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:07,760 through for me. I am very thankful and everyone 590 00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:09,480 who's been there for me throughout my journey. 591 00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:10,640 Oh wow. Yes. 592 00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:12,920 Yes, of course. Thank you. 593 00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:15,000 SO. Much for me to you once again. 594 00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:17,200 Thank you very much and God bless you. 595 00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:19,800 Wishing you the very, very best in all of your future 596 00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:22,240 endeavours. And of course, I wish that you 597 00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:27,040 are able to impact the lives of millions and billions of people 598 00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:30,320 across the globe positively. God bless you. 599 00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:32,680 God bless you too, Ade. Thank you very much. 600 00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:35,240 Thank you for having me again. OK, thank you. 601 00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:36,040 Welcome.