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Welcome to the River City Church
podcast and a message by our 

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lead pastor Jason Powers. 
Our prayer is that this message 

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would inspire and encourage you 
build your faith and point you 

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to the life changing love of 
Jesus. 

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May you enjoy the goodness of 
God as you follow him today. 

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We. 
Begin with our confession. 

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Our confession just grounds us 
in the truth. 

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Which is what we believe. 
Our confession is that we are 

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badly broken. 
Grace and peace to you. 

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We've been in Proverbs. 
We took, you know, Snowpocalypse

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Part 2 week off last week. 
So I will probably refer to last

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week, but it wasn't last week. 
It was the week before. 

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And we've been talking about 
wisdom as this, the illustration

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is like a path that leads us. 
God has set this vision before 

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us, before his people of the 
life of you know, we find it in 

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Revelation, right? 
A place where every tear is 

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dried and where God comforts and
meets His. 

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People, we won't experience that
fully in this world and in this 

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life right now, but we believe 
that His wisdom is what leads 

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us. 
Towards. 

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That and one of the things that 
the Proverbs assumes, but it 

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doesn't explicitly state, right?
Like there's, there's not a 

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verse that specifically says 
that, but it's the assumption 

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behind, behind all of it, behind
the way that it's formed and 

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structured. 
The, the assumption is that 

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wisdom is cumulative, right? 
It builds on itself and it 

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starts, we saw that last week 
and kind of like the structure, 

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right? 
Like what we said is it starts 

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in a moment and each moment as I
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wisdom or not the path of 
wisdom. 

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Last week, two weeks ago, we 
talked about speech, right? 

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And in every moment there's the 
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What am I going to say in this 
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Am I going to choose wise speech
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And what the cumulative part is 
Then as we make those decisions,

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choice by choice, moment by 
moment, word by word accumulates

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to our character. 
We become the kind of people who

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either start fires, who either 
separate people who cause 

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division and separation and 
anger and angst and fear, or 

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we're the kind of people who 
dial back from that. 

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And it's not about you telling 
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I'm the kind of person who we 
can see it. 

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We see the fruit in our lives. 
Jesus said that. 

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It says they will. 
It said you will. 

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You don't get good fruit off of 
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Trees. 
And he said you'll know by the 

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fruit. 
You'll know what kind of tree it

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is by the kind of fruit. 
That they bear and then as that 

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accumulates and it builds we 
become the kind of people like 

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that and as I become that kind 
of person and my friend Aaron 

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becomes that kind of person and 
my friend Teresa becomes that 

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kind of person, what happens is 
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Get formed. 
We become a. 

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Culture where wisdom is 
reflected in our speech. 

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To our time and our moments and 
our relationships and our and 

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our context. 
It forms us and it shapes us. 

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And so we're going to kind of 
look at that form again, kind of

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how it begins at a granular 
level, how it expands to our 

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character and what it looks 
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The idea that we do it that way 
is so that what we don't want to

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do is just flatten the proverbs 
to be like promises, right? 

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Like you've. 
Heard the promise, right? 

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Train up a child in the way that
they go, and when they're older 

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they won't depart from it. 
It's hard because that's not an 

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ironclad promise, that if you 
make your kids go to church, 

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that they'll never make bad 
decisions, that they'll always 

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turn and they'll always come 
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As a general principle, the idea
is the Lord watches over what's 

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His and He develops what is in 
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That's my story. 
My story was a disaster, train 

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wreck, all that. 
The Lord was faithful and the 

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Lord honored the wisdom of my 
parents in making us go to 

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church. 
Did we want to go to church? 

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No. 
Are they good churches? 

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No. 
But the Lord honored and was 

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faithful, however faithful this 
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So again, the idea is these 
proverbs, they're not, they're 

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not promises. 
They are paths and they're paths

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in line with reality and the 
ultimate reality that this 

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wisdom leads us towards to the 
nature and the character of God.

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Wisdom leads us to be like what 
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We see that in the New 
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It's called formation into 
Christ likeness, right? 

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And that's the idea, and it 
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This here's how the. 
Proverbs articulate that. 

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Proverbs chapter 13 verse 20 
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Walk with the wise and become 
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Associate with fools and get in 
trouble. 

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Now you may have a different 
translation that you're using 

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today. 
You may be using the CSB or the 

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NIV or the New American Standard
or or ESV or whatever it is. 

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Your translation may say whoever
associates with fools suffers 

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harm. 
It's the same kind of it's the 

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same kind of idea, right? 
Like there's there's trouble out

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there, right and notice the 
connections notice what he's 

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saying, the ideas of walking 
right and associating with those

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are proximity terms. 
Those are terms of relationship.

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And when it's set, when I say 
relationship, I don't mean that 

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relationship means besties. 
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people are aligned towards each 
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You and I are in relationship to
each other, facing each other. 

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What's important to know is this
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intimacy. 
It is literally being in the 

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same place at the same time over
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We notice in our culture we call
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You exposed to a TikTok and you 
pass it on and it goes viral. 

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At no point in my life have I 
woken up and said today I think 

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I'm going to go catch COVID. 
I am really looking for a good 

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case of the flu today. 
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But what I have done in my 
foolishness is felt like I was 

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bulletproof and lingered in 
spaces where people who have 

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those illnesses are. 
And the reality is, to know that

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a person has an illness and to 
stay in the place where they are

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is to choose to get sick. 
There's no, I can't be in a room

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with someone and say, oh, well, 
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be exempted from this, right? 
Like, so it's true that my 

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family, I am unapologetically I 
am a music snob. 

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It's not that I like some, but 
it's just that I have better 

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taste than a lot of people, 
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My family does not have the same
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They are willing to just 
meditate on any old drivel that 

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they that they will. 
But an interesting thing happens

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many times I'm sitting in the 
car and they're all just like, 

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Hey, you gotta listen to this 
song. 

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And I'd sit down and just, well,
that's just terrible. 

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The Lord. 
Frowns on that like there's no 

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redeeming in that and that in 
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But what happens is like we'll 
just get again because I'm 

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humble, right and I'm like 
Jesus, right? 

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I like submit to them and it's 
like, well, you guys can listen 

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to whatever and the craziest 
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I find myself just singing along
a little bit, right? 

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Literally repeat. 
Rewires my brain and I find 

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myself tolerating all kinds of 
stuff that at once. 

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I thought was just terrible and 
they love to rub my face in that

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when it when it happens, right, 
that I thought this was a 

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terrible song. 
It is a terrible song. 

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I'm just growing, you know, in 
that it brings an important 

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point. 
And we've seen this, right? 

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How our preferences, how our 
tastes, our responses can change

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and be transformed by the people
of Rhiannon and important ideas.

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That wisdom is contagious and so
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We catch what we're around. 
We become what we associated 

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with the actions of the foolish.
If you've got and if you look in

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the Proverbs and you go 
throughout Proverbs, they may 

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talk about it may use the word 
folly and folly is simply what 

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foolish people do. 
It is foolish behaviors of 

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foolish. 
Accents So we read this proverb 

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in 1320 and it says if we 
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get in trouble. 
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is this kind of leads into a 
picture of God that some of us 

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have where he's up there just 
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And the idea here isn't the idea
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communicate, isn't that if God 
doesn't like your friends, he's 

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going to ground you from wisdom,
that he's going to somehow hold 

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back wisdom from you. 
The idea is this contagion 

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effect that you will become who 
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Your experience, your exposure 
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It's the natural consequences of
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It's the analogy. 
You've heard the analogy right? 

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I've got to dig myself out of 
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If you pause and you think about
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You will never get out of a hole
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The only way to get out of a 
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start climbing. 
If your friends make bad 

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decisions and your associates 
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people that you hang around with
if they're if the if your 

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closest network of. 
Associates, how they treat their

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spouses over time will be how 
you treat your spouse. 

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How they respond with their 
finances will be how you respond

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your finances, how they treat 
spiritual disciplines will be 

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how you treat spiritual 
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I have had some relationships in
my life that I know and, and, 

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and you know, even some, you 
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have to get around and that 
their approach on the world is 

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just heavy and, and kind of 
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And never have I woke up in the 
morning like, you know, what I 

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need today is a healthy dose of 
toxic anger. 

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Like I just, I just need to go 
get mad at somebody and want to 

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destroy something I've never. 
Said that, but what I. 

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Have done is over an extended 
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into proximity in proximity to 
people who that's their 

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perspective and that's their 
worldview and without exception,

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without fail, I it leaks it gets
on me and I find myself picking 

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up those habits picking up those
those patterns of speech picking

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up those world views and so in 
the same way that we used 

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talking about. 
Being sick, exposure to fearful,

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angry, divisive people is 
choosing to be afraid and angry 

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and divisive. 
You cannot fill your head with 

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people who speak about anger and
division and fear and not have 

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it impact you and not have it 
rub off on you and not have it 

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be part of how you respond. 
That's what it means when we say

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that wisdom forms us as we walk 
in it and as it gets in us and 

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as it affects the way that we 
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We become that. 
We become what we watch on the 

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news. 
We become who we listen to in 

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social media. 
We become what our closest 

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friends and associates do. 
Formation isn't abstract. 

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We don't wake up and suddenly 
find ourselves to be something 

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that we weren't before. 
What is happens is we wake up 

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and we find ourselves having 
become what we were always 

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becoming. 
When I was in high school, I 

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love to play baseball, but I 
hated to do anything like 

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physical stuff. 
And so I would cut every corner 

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that I could. 
I would take every shortcut on 

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the running path that I could. 
And one day in my 30s, I had a 

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very clear reality that I had 
become the kind of person who 

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takes shortcuts. 
And that's a character issue. 

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Whether it's a fault or a flaw 
or whatever you want to call it,

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it was a reality. 
I was that kind of person. 

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And that's what we read and we 
find in Proverbs 17, Chapter 9. 

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Love prospers when a fault is 
forgiven, but dwelling on it 

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separates close friends. 
Man, this can be heavy. 

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We saw it last week, this idea 
about our words. 

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Our words reveal the character 
of our heart. 

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We already kind of mentioned it 
before. 

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And what I want to say, 
especially, what our words 

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reveal when we have been 
wounded, when we have been hurt,

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when we have been wronged, and 
when we suffered. 

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How we respond to pain and 
suffering and rejection is an 

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indicator of how our heart has 
been formed. 

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And again, we began with the 
declaration that we're badly 

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broken. 
We understand and acknowledge 

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that there are things in us that
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Unformed or misformed or, or or 
maladjusted. 

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And so the love of Jesus brings 
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But the point that we want to 
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brings us back in the way that 
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not by idolizing our pain and 
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walking towards Jesus. 
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right here. 
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Pause and I want you to just, if
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like real focus and, and 
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we start talking about 
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we start talking about broken 
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holy ground. 
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doesn't mean that that our pain 
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It's like where Moses met God 
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because the place where you're 
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What I want to say when I say 
that your pain and, and our 

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suffering in these broken 
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places, What I mean is that God 
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waiting for you there. 
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right, it's very important that 
I kind of set the stage for this

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and just acknowledge a reality. 
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Not all brokenness is equal. 
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that not all forgiveness costs 
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There are some people that have 
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place that is so deep that to 
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seemingly cost everything. 
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wounds, right? 
To be the wound of being abused 

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by a parent, to have had power 
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and to destroy and instead of 
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as someone who gets passed over 
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get invited to lunch. 
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whatever it is, is invalid. 
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sees each pain specifically and 
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that place. 
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pain that honestly, as your 
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give you is humble yourself and 
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And there are some pains and 
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violations of your very 
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that forgiveness would even be 
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talk about that is that Father 
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unique pain. 
Your father sees how it has 

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They've seen what it has done to
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and shaped you. 
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to both acknowledge that and 
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that, I want to hold up a high 
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that forgiveness is how we move 
from being defined by what they 

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have done from your identity 
being they have done this to me.

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What he wants the the path of 
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see this is how that pain has 
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what is being done in you. 
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that in light of some of the 
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of the wounds that are in this 
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does God insist on forgiveness 
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Forgiveness and love are 
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To say it. 
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love like Jesus. 
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commandments to love God and to 
love others, what he's talking 

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about is forgiveness. 
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Corinthians 5 what what he says 
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We have been reconciled to 
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not counting their sins against 
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Love and forgiveness go hand in 
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To walk in the path of Jesus is 
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And so we can make that choice 
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area, however slowly it may need
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gently. 
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is not in a rush to heal and to 
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things. 
He simply is looking for that 

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willingness to say, Jesus, I 
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And so listen, I understand that
some of you have been devastated

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by a pain that is so big and so 
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what I do want to say is that to
experience that the love that 

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Jesus wants for you. 
Is to walk towards forgiveness, 

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because that's the way that 
Jesus walks and it may not 

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affect your feelings for a very,
very long time. 

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Call us to forgive whether we 
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And when we say I can't because 
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we're doing is saying I will 
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will obey anything else. 
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manifest. 
It's easy to see what happens if

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we become a people driven by our
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And so how do So what does that?
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It says to to forgive is to what
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Love prospers when a when a 
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contrast to forgiveness here is 
to dwell on things, right And so

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here we see a picture of what of
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say that didn't hurt me. 
It's not to. 

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Say, oh, it's OK that you hurt 
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It's not to. 
It's not to say it's not 

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anything like that. 
It's not that it didn't happen. 

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It's not that I never think 
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It's not that I don't ever feel 
about it again. 

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It's not that they have to 
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The opposite. 
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not going to take them to court 
every single day until they bow 

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and bend the knee. 
You'll never get that 

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satisfaction. 
You'll never get that. 

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What to forgive, then, is to 
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walking your life out. 
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The opposite of forgiveness here
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constantly rehash it. 
And I want you to know like I'm 

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in the middle of this process in
formation, just like, just like 

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you are. 
There was a night this. 

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Week I woke up at 2:00 in the 
morning with an anger fantasy 

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running through my head that was
so strong my heart was beating 

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fast was flood of the. 
Endorphins. 

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And I said all of the things. 
You wouldn't believe how 

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convincing I was cutting them. 
Aw man, I was like a ninja 

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getting them to it. 
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The more I did it, guess what 
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The more I wanted to do it, the 
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The more I wanted to be angry. 
The more I meditated on how they

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had hurt me, the more that I 
wanted to hurt them and I wanted

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to get over that, the more I 
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More, I wanted to have the final
say and the problem is in that 

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moment what I did was make my 
wound ultimate reality. 

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And what Jesus says is I have a 
better reality for you. 

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I have something that's. 
Good for you beyond that wound. 

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Now again I want. 
To be so careful, I want to be 

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so tender and gentle to say 
abuse. 

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Physical and. 
Emotional and psychological 

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abuse these gross violations of 
personhood that assault the 

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image of God in your heart. 
They can and should result in 

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termination of relationship. 
I am not. 

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Saying that you have to stay in 
bed with your abuser. 

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What I'm saying is that 
forgiveness softens my 

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bitterness. 
Even if it may not. 

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Restore their access. 
It may not give them proximity, 

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and it may not require me to 
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Forgiveness says I will not be 
defined by what others have done

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to me, but by what Jesus is 
doing in me. 

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It's not to. 
Be to forgive is not to be a 

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completed work, it is to walk 
towards a completion that we can

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only imagine. 
And as I look around the. 

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Room. 
I know some of the wounds. 

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And I want to. 
Give you this as you're going. 

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I couldn't possibly forgive the 
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It's not to forget, not to. 
To accept the path that the 

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spouse who ignored your every 
need and every humanity, to 

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forgive that father, To forgive 
that spouse. 

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To forgive that church told you 
that you weren't. 

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Acceptable. 
To God because you didn't fit 

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their package of what it was 
supposed to do. 

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It is not to let them off the 
hook. 

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You got to hear me when I say 
that it's not to let them off 

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the hook. 
It's. 

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What it is? 
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I need forgiveness too. 
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To say is. 
That I'm not just in this. 

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The problem is the reason that 
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live in is because if we don't 
choose the path of forgiveness, 

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if we choose the path of rest 
of, of what's the word 

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retribution? 
If we choose that path, it 

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always escalates. 
I'm always going to give out 

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more than I received and then 
they're going to get more than I

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received. 
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we're going to step back from 
that, there has to be the real 

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assurance that justice exists, 
that there is a God who is 

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righteous and just and who says 
I won't just excuse. 

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I don't just turn a blind eye to
to abuse. 

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And I want you to know it's in 
there. 

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Here's the reason that we 
forgive the apostle Paul writing

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to the church in Rome, people 
who were people just like us. 

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He said this Romans chapter 12, 
verse 19, Dear friends, never 

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take revenge. 
Stop. 

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Never. 
Take revenge. 

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I know your wound was defining. 
I know it was unjust. 

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I know it hurt you. 
I know it feels like it 

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destroyed you. 
Never take revenge. 

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What do we do in response then? 
Leave that. 

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To the righteous anger of of 
God, for Scripture says I will 

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take revenge, I will pay them 
back, says the. 

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Lord, you serve a God. 
Who is just and who sees your 

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wound? 
And he has promised to respond 

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appropriately. 
And the reason we do that is we 

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can now, you can now take that 
abuser and you can say your 

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influence in my life is over. 
I will not. 

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Give you one more day, and by 
the way, the Lord is better. 

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At it than you are. 
The reason that those. 

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Wounds come is because they 
don't care that much what you 

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think. 
So your. 

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Retribution is not going to be 
that painful. 

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Instead you hand them to the 
living God who loves you and 

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loves them and trust him to 
bring about his way and his path

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and his life. 
That kind of response when we 

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become the kind of people who 
say I have suffered great wrong.

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He's given me a. 
Love and righteousness. 

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It doesn't mean that I invite 
him over for dinner. 

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It doesn't mean that I pretend. 
Nothing ever happened. 

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It doesn't mean. 
That I go, hey, I'm. 

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OK, you're OK. 
I know it wasn't that big of a 

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deal it. 
Just. 

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Means I give them to the Lord 
and I trust his justice and his 

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righteousness more than I and 
see what happens is as you do 

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that and the person next to you 
does that, what happens is we. 

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Become kind of place. 
That does that and I want to 

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pause right here and say very 
clearly River City. 

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This is one of my favorite 
things about you when Brian a 40

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year old executive pastor Brian 
Schneider when he first came 

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here at River City and I'm 
always interesting what the new 

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what the new guy thinks right 
like as he gets in and see in 

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the 1st place that he went had 
access was our men's ministry. 

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He went to our Wednesday night 
men's ministry and there's, 

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listen, there's something of a 
revival going on there. 

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There are guys that are that are
just finding the Lord and 

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falling and walking them from 
the most unbelievable places and

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circumstances. 
And Brian's take was what makes 

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the men's ministry such a such a
unique and a special places. 

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Lots of people talk about being 
authentic and vulnerable. 

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Those guys actually do it. 
They share their. 

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Struggles and they share their 
pain and they share their fears.

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And I want to say is the only 
reason that that this is a place

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that can do that is because this
is a place that does it. 

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We understand that to be badly 
broken doesn't mean to be 

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excluded from the love of God. 
And if we're not excluded from 

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the love of God, we can't be 
excluded from the love of each 

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other. 
See, that's what happens. 

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When we choose over and over 
again, at great cost to 

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ourselves and to our pride, to 
walk in that and so. 

452
00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:40,360
The choices that we make. 
Affect the atmosphere, they 

453
00:25:40,360 --> 00:25:44,200
affect who we become. 
And so the reality is we, you 

454
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:45,960
know, remember I said that to my
kids every week. 

455
00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:47,920
You have to live in the world 
that you create. 

456
00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:52,320
And so we are. 
Either creating and living in a 

457
00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:57,160
world of entrenched warfare. 
Or. 

458
00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:02,200
We are living in a world of 
growth and grace and redemption 

459
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:07,160
and restitution or and and 
restoration cannot live in both.

460
00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:12,600
And the messages and the people 
that tell us that those people 

461
00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:16,320
out there are our enemies. 
It's not the voice that leads to

462
00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:19,440
redemption and restitution. 
That's the voice that further 

463
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:24,280
deepens the divide and the gap. 
It's not to pretend that every 

464
00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:28,880
idea is equal, It is to 
acknowledge that every human 

465
00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:31,880
being on this planet bears the 
image of God. 

466
00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:36,480
And is in some. 
Measure being called out and 

467
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:40,160
redeemed and restored again. 
And so our words and our 

468
00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:43,880
relationships and our responses 
are either furthering. 

469
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:47,600
That. 
Or they're hindering it cannot 

470
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:50,160
do both We. 
Cannot make people. 

471
00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:54,600
Our enemy and pray for their 
restitution to the Lord. 

472
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:59,240
It's one or the other. 
That's what Psalm 27 says this 

473
00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:02,520
is like the is like the the 
charter verse for every men's 

474
00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:07,320
ministry in the country and it's
wonderful right Proverbs 2717 as

475
00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:12,720
iron sharpens iron so a friend 
sharpens a friend Imagine the 

476
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:15,680
picture is you have an axe and 
you're out cutting a tree right.

477
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:18,840
If you cut a tree for long 
enough, the axe blade is going 

478
00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:21,880
to get dull, and So what happens
at the point about this is that.

479
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:26,360
Sharpening isn't. 
Accidental, it doesn't just 

480
00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:28,800
happen. 
It isn't automatic. 

481
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:31,640
It is also not easy the way this
is set up. 

482
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:35,000
So I'm a language guy like my 
training is in, I'm a literature

483
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:36,320
guy. 
I read, when I read the 

484
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:39,960
scripture, I read them as 
letters, I read them as, as you 

485
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:41,560
know, all of these genres as 
history. 

486
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:44,360
And you look at it and you read 
it and words are important. 

487
00:27:44,360 --> 00:27:47,720
The way that the words these are
communicated means something. 

488
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:50,440
And so some of you are going to 
remember freshman English, some 

489
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:52,480
of you are actually probably in 
freshman English. 

490
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:53,800
And that's great, and that's 
wonderful. 

491
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:54,960
Right. 
And so you'll know. 

492
00:27:55,040 --> 00:28:00,080
So a comparison, a metaphor that
uses the word like or as is 

493
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:06,120
called a simile woo, right? 
And so when we find the 

494
00:28:06,120 --> 00:28:10,560
scripture as iron sharpens iron,
what we're being given here is a

495
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:12,440
simile. 
And what it should do is it 

496
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:16,720
should force us to ask how is 
iron sharpened? 

497
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:20,520
If we can understand how iron is
sharpened, then we will 

498
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:23,280
understand how friendships 
sharpen each other. 

499
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:28,240
So how are how is iron sharpened
by great friction? 

500
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:34,560
There are often sparks, there is
heat, it is loud and there is 

501
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:39,160
stuff that gets knocked off. 
There are edges. 

502
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:45,800
That are worn smooth by friction
over time in the same direction.

503
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:51,800
Friends sharpen. 
Friends when they are willing to

504
00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:56,800
go beyond politeness. 
Friends. 

505
00:28:56,800 --> 00:29:00,760
Sharpen friends when they are 
unwilling to let silence 

506
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:05,520
masquerade as peace. 
This happened in my. 

507
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:08,440
Life. 
When we started River City and I

508
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:10,880
came over and I was a mess. 
So you think this is messy? 

509
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:13,960
You're right, it was worse, way 
worse back then. 

510
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:17,960
We started and the elders, we 
started with a three man elder 

511
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:20,240
board. 
It was me and a guy, Henry 

512
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:23,400
Spindle, who's no longer with 
us, and Greg Grieman, who 

513
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:26,600
continues to be an elder with us
today. 

514
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:29,360
And at the time, you know, I was
35 years old, and I knew 

515
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:32,840
everything of all of the things 
I thought I did. 

516
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:38,160
But really, I was angry and I 
was tired and I was worn out, 

517
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:41,040
and I hadn't sufficiently taken 
care of my heart. 

518
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:43,360
I hadn't done the work that I 
needed to do. 

519
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:48,760
And so I had a tendency to 
respond sharply and pointedly 

520
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:53,320
and directly. 
And I hurt a lot of feelings my 

521
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:56,640
first year, two years Now here's
the other thing about this, 

522
00:29:56,640 --> 00:30:01,360
about my gift. 
I know a lot of words and I'm 

523
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:06,320
really good at at apologies. 
And so I remember sitting in an 

524
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:08,640
elders meeting one day with 
Greg, and I was recounting the 

525
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:11,040
latest, like, I had this 
conversation and I did this and 

526
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:15,920
it was the 3rd or 4th or 50th 
time and heard it in Greg at the

527
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:19,960
elders table, lean across from 
me and said, you are so good at 

528
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:23,520
apologies. 
Wouldn't it be better to not 

529
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:32,960
have to do it so much? 
Yeah, it's better in the moment,

530
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:35,120
man. 
It felt good to just let it fly.

531
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:38,280
But I'm so grateful. 
I had a friend who would sit 

532
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:41,920
across the table from me and not
whether not worry about whether 

533
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:46,000
or not that hurt my feelings, 
not whether worry about whether 

534
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:49,240
I would misunderstand it. 
In that moment, I had a choice. 

535
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:51,480
I could get my feelings hurt. 
I could get offended, I could 

536
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:53,400
get defensive and make my own 
way. 

537
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:56,960
But I sat across from this guy 
and I knew that he cared more 

538
00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:58,880
about me than about being 
comfortable. 

539
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:02,080
And I knew that he cared more 
about this than about that, 

540
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:04,880
making everything just peace 
over and smooth over. 

541
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:09,760
And so in that moment, you know,
again, I'm all butt backwards 

542
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:13,440
into a lot of stuff. 
God gave me the grace to accept 

543
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:16,600
that wisdom and to start working
on being a person who doesn't 

544
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:19,280
need to ask for forgiveness so 
much. 

545
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:22,200
However I'm doing I don't, I 
don't know about that. 

546
00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:26,880
But I know that the. 
More often I'm willing to submit

547
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:29,840
to that kind of friction, the 
more often that I'm willing to 

548
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:33,080
let somebody speak hard truth to
me, even though it hurts, the 

549
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:35,600
less frequently I need to 
happen, it needs to happen, and 

550
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:38,640
the less traumatic it is. 
If I'll sharpen my axe every 

551
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:40,360
single day, it only takes 3 
minutes. 

552
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:43,000
If I take if. 
If I do it once a month, it 

553
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:45,600
takes all day and different 
equipment and I got to send it 

554
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:48,040
off and I got to go get it. 
It's better to just moment by 

555
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:52,000
moment, to submit to the person 
who loves me and who cares about

556
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:55,160
me, and to let them sharpen the 
rough edges off of me. 

557
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:58,000
Now let me say a word about 
mutuality. 

558
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:02,880
Because we cannot. 
Be fully formed by wisdom apart 

559
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:10,560
from mutual submission. 
In your prayer for it so. 

560
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:12,840
First of all, like there's a 
verse in James that says if you 

561
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:15,200
ask for wisdom, God will give it
to you. 

562
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:17,600
He will give you wisdom. 
You just got to believe that 

563
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:20,000
he's going to give you that and 
start and start walking in it, 

564
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:22,160
right? 
And so as you start praying for 

565
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:25,560
wisdom, God very well may drop a
sign on your head. 

566
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:28,720
You may walk out the door and 
there are flashing. 

567
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:31,640
Bright. 
Neon lights that like quit your 

568
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:34,360
job right? 
Like submit to your right. 

569
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:37,280
It may happen. 
The. 

570
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:40,800
Overwhelming evidence of 
scripture and personal 

571
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:43,800
experience in my life is that 
he's going to send somebody to 

572
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:47,800
you to tell you the truth. 
That's why we do small. 

573
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:50,840
Groups not as. 
Organized so we. 

574
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:53,160
Can count whatever. 
The idea behind a small group is

575
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:55,320
that you will go to small group 
and it will be the place where 

576
00:32:55,320 --> 00:33:00,360
you just go. 
I am angry at everything, not to

577
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:02,560
defend. 
My position and not to just say 

578
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:05,920
I'm angry because all those 
people out there have told me, 

579
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:07,960
right? 
We go to just say I'm angry and 

580
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:11,160
I don't believe that this is 
what God is of what God has for 

581
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:12,680
me. 
And the idea would be in the 

582
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:15,680
context of your small group, 
somebody could even say, man, 

583
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:18,560
you show up angry a lot. 
Is there a chance that you're 

584
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:23,680
watching the news too much? 
And you have a choice. 

585
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:27,880
To accept wisdom. 
Or not. 

586
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:32,240
But what we expose ourselves to,
is there a chance? 

587
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:36,040
That you watch too much social 
media Is there a chance that 

588
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:39,000
that's the. 
Idea behind community. 

589
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:41,840
And so now a couple words of 
caution. 

590
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:45,640
Beware of the echo chamber. 
And what I mean is that our 

591
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:50,240
entire world is designed to tell
you exactly what you already 

592
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:52,640
believe. 
And not only to tell. 

593
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:54,400
You what you. 
Already believe, but to tell you

594
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:57,600
that the people who don't 
believe like you are scary and 

595
00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:02,400
bad and to mischaracterize them 
and they do it for a reason they

596
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:06,000
tell you that so that you can 
feel justified and keep tuning 

597
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:07,960
in and. 
Then when you. 

598
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:12,080
TuneIn Now you're watching their
advertising, you're subscribing 

599
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:15,239
to their podcasts. 
You're just, you're doing their 

600
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:18,639
thing. 
Our entire world. 

601
00:34:18,639 --> 00:34:21,040
Is an echo chamber and you will 
not. 

602
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:25,320
We will not accidentally find 
ourselves not in an echo change 

603
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:27,560
chamber. 
We must decide. 

604
00:34:27,679 --> 00:34:30,080
That we would rather. 
Have a different direction and 

605
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:33,560
choose it day after day, moment 
after moment. 

606
00:34:33,679 --> 00:34:35,960
And that first 20 minutes that 
you do it, you're going to feel 

607
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:37,159
like the whole world's going to 
fall apart. 

608
00:34:37,159 --> 00:34:40,760
You know how I because I deleted
Instagram off my phone and I was

609
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:42,560
just like, like for a week I was
like, Oh my God. 

610
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:43,480
Well. 
How do I? 

611
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:44,679
Even know how am I even going 
to? 

612
00:34:44,679 --> 00:34:49,480
Minister to people, Lord, if I'm
not angry and afraid and upset 

613
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:52,960
and scared, how can I possibly 
tell your truth, Lord, if I 

614
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:55,760
don't know who the enemy is? 
And he says the enemy is that 

615
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:57,800
voice that tells you that you 
have to be scared of other 

616
00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:00,080
people. 
If that's the enemy. 

617
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:03,040
Will you delete it or will you 
walk in it? 

618
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:07,480
Beware of the echo chamber. 
And if we're going to live free 

619
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:09,760
of the echo chamber, we will 
have to choose it intentionally 

620
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:12,800
every single day. 
Another thing to be careful of, 

621
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:17,960
beware of trying to get biblical
advice from non biblical people.

622
00:35:19,240 --> 00:35:21,120
Because Jesus is. 
Going to tell you. 

623
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:25,400
To honor your. 
Wife, your friends going to tell

624
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:27,080
you drop an old ball and chain, 
let's go. 

625
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:28,760
Let's get an apartment. 
We do it together, right? 

626
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:34,360
One of those ways is wisdom. 
One of those ways is not that 

627
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:37,200
brings to the this last thing 
that kind of goes together. 

628
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:41,440
Beware of the wolves. 
You are of the wolves, that. 

629
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:44,120
Would be the prophets among you 
that would come in without a 

630
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:47,480
hint of submission in their own 
life and tell you what you need 

631
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:51,000
to do with your life. 
People come in all the. 

632
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:53,240
Time and they love to tell me 
you need to do this Lord and 

633
00:35:53,240 --> 00:35:56,400
God, you're not doing this. 
My question is some person that 

634
00:35:56,400 --> 00:36:00,000
comes and my question is who 
gets to tell you no? 

635
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:04,880
Who gets to? 
Tell you what to do. 

636
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:08,120
Now, here's the scary part. 
My high school baseball coach 

637
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:09,840
had a saying. 
It's not he didn't make it up or

638
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:15,080
anything like that, but he would
say even blind hogs find acorns 

639
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:17,920
every now and then, right? 
Like you heard that right. 

640
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:23,320
So here's the deal. 
That unsubmitted person playing 

641
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:26,520
the role of prophet, when they 
come, they may have a nugget of 

642
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:29,680
truth that I need to hear. 
So when somebody comes and says 

643
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:33,200
you're not doing not enough, my 
response is to take that and 

644
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:34,640
just go, Lord, is there truth in
that? 

645
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:38,920
Am I that am I overbearing? 
Am I unkind? 

646
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:42,880
Do I lack compassion? 
Lord am I like, like whatever, 

647
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:47,520
whatever this the situation is, 
I can receive that as from the 

648
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:52,840
Lord without submitting myself 
to unsubmitted, unaccountable 

649
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:55,480
people. 
Listen, I believe within the 

650
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:58,040
context of this that we read 
about in Ephesians. 

651
00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:00,520
I believe in the context of this
congregation, the Lord will 

652
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:04,520
raise up all kinds of people, 
apostles, prophets, evangelists,

653
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:07,920
shepherds, teachers. 
And I want to know. 

654
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:11,080
That after the meeting, somebody
came up to me afterward and, 

655
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:13,840
and, and talked about something 
that God has called them to walk

656
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:15,960
in and it was and it walk in and
it was something. 

657
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:19,440
That we need and we experienced 
and I said, yes, I see that and 

658
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:21,280
you, I see that as a need for us
walk. 

659
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:23,080
And I introduce some of the 
people so that there can be 

660
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:24,800
mutual submission and 
accountability. 

661
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:26,600
And I think that's how God does 
it. 

662
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:29,160
God has a role and a part for 
you to play within the 

663
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:32,600
congregation, but it's within 
the context of the congregation 

664
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:35,160
and this congregation within the
context of the church in New 

665
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:38,120
Braunfels. 
No person is an island unto 

666
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:41,240
themselves. 
No person only answers and 

667
00:37:41,240 --> 00:37:45,480
subjects and submits to Jesus 
because Jesus has placed us as 

668
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:49,840
the body we walk together. 
So beware when. 

669
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:53,760
People demand submission from 
you without being willing to 

670
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:57,080
submit to anyone else, and. 
As we. 

671
00:37:57,080 --> 00:38:00,520
Walk in this the kind of people 
who capture the moments, the 

672
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:04,720
people who become forgiving, not
because we feel like it, not 

673
00:38:04,720 --> 00:38:07,640
because we we think it's, it's 
neat, but because we believe 

674
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:10,240
that as we walk in that that's 
how we're going to get to the 

675
00:38:10,240 --> 00:38:13,320
end, where every tear is dried 
and every sad thing comes 

676
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:15,560
untrue. 
As we walk in that and as we get

677
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shaped in that, and as our 
community gets formed into that,

678
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:22,440
we become like Jesus. 
This isn't just this whole idea 

679
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:26,120
of redemptive community, of iron
sharpening iron, of forgiveness 

680
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:28,640
and peace with other. 
This isn't just Old Testament 

681
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:31,080
talk. 
This is the very methodology 

682
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:33,080
that Jesus employed in his 
ministry. 

683
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:36,600
Jesus came to start something 
that would live past him and 

684
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:38,360
what he did was he called people
together. 

685
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:42,040
Mark chapter 3, verse 13. 
Afterwards, Jesus went up on a 

686
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:45,240
mountain and he called out the 
ones that he wanted to go with 

687
00:38:45,240 --> 00:38:48,800
him and they came to him. 
Then he appointed 12 of them. 

688
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:51,480
These weren't the only 12 people
following Jesus. 

689
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:54,960
There were hundreds of people in
Jesus's circle, but he called 12

690
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:57,840
people to him and it says he 
appointed them apostles. 

691
00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:01,400
And they were to accompany. 
Him and he would send them out 

692
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:03,320
to the people. 
Now, here's the interesting 

693
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:05,560
thing about that. 
First of all, Jesus could have 

694
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:08,160
done anything that he wanted. 
Jesus could have gone to Rome 

695
00:39:08,240 --> 00:39:10,360
and he could have thrown Caesar 
out, and he could have 

696
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:12,640
established a feeding land, and 
he could have done all of those 

697
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:13,600
things. 
But he didn't. 

698
00:39:13,720 --> 00:39:17,560
He called 12 ordinary people to 
himself, and he taught them what

699
00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:21,360
it's like to be like him. 
And here's my favorite part. 2 

700
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:23,280
of my favorite disciples go 
together. 

701
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:25,480
The first one is called Simon 
the Zealot. 

702
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:28,160
Simon Zealotes. 
He was a part of a political 

703
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:32,080
party that was seeking, not just
praying, for actively walking 

704
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:34,320
out the violent overthrow of 
Rome. 

705
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:39,440
They loved to kill Romans. 
And right next to Simon, we find

706
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:43,680
Levi the tax collector who the 
Jewish people saw as race 

707
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:45,800
traitors. 
They sold out the people of 

708
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:51,000
Israel to Rome for filthy lucre.
You're trying to get rich at the

709
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:55,000
hands of your own people and 
Jesus, said Simon. 

710
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:58,720
Meet Matthew You. 
Guys are going to be roommates. 

711
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:03,840
We can't even watch. 
The news channel of the 

712
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:08,400
opposition without our heads 
popping off. 

713
00:40:11,240 --> 00:40:15,320
This is the way that Jesus 
called us to walk with his 

714
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:20,640
people, submitted, not 
abandoning our our humanity, not

715
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:24,160
abandoning the image of God and 
each other, but walking towards 

716
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:29,240
something that he has done. 
We read about Pentecost. 

717
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:33,240
It was a group of about 120 
people in the upper room 

718
00:40:33,240 --> 00:40:36,520
praying. 
Simon was there, Matthew was 

719
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:41,320
there. 
That's where the Holy Spirit 

720
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:45,280
came, and it fell on them all 
equally. 

721
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:50,520
Jesus spent time. 
With his disciples He spent 

722
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:54,720
time, with the people he didn't.
Just give them truth. 

723
00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:56,960
He didn't. 
Just preach at them. 

724
00:40:57,040 --> 00:41:02,880
He didn't just write a book. 
He gave them himself, He gave 

725
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:05,720
them his example. 
And what's his example as they 

726
00:41:05,720 --> 00:41:07,760
nail him on the cross? 
Father what? 

727
00:41:08,720 --> 00:41:12,200
Forgive them because they don't 
know what they're doing? 

728
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:16,240
Sure looks like it bro. 
Seems like there was an order. 

729
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:19,960
Seems like there was a trial. 
It all seemed pretty conscripted

730
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:22,920
to me. 
Jesus knew something. 

731
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:26,440
That we don't know. 
He saw the big picture and Jesus

732
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:30,600
extended grace. 
He gave himself. 

733
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:32,200
And then he gave them each 
other. 

734
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:35,600
And then he trusted. 
His Holy Spirit to form them 

735
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:37,600
faithfully. 
That's what's happening in this 

736
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:40,440
place, that's what's happening 
in your small group, that's 

737
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:42,000
what's happening on your 
ministry team. 

738
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:44,880
That's what happens when you 
read your scripture and you call

739
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:47,240
somebody and ask them to help 
you walk it out. 

740
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:50,360
So how can we tell if we're 
staying on track with that? 

741
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:53,320
With that wisdom, had a couple 
questions last week. 

742
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:56,600
I wanna here's a couple more. 
The first one, whose voice am I 

743
00:41:56,600 --> 00:42:00,120
regularly or voices, whose voice
am I regularly and repeatedly 

744
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:04,600
exposing myself to overtime? 
And what is that exposure 

745
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:13,440
actually forming in me? 
Who's on repeat is listen, be 

746
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:14,880
careful. 
You'll end up liking Taylor 

747
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:17,560
Swift over and over and over in 
your head, right? 

748
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:21,680
If we listen to the. 
Angry voices of doom and 

749
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:24,920
destruction. 
We will become angry, 

750
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:31,160
destructive people. 
Second, what kind of world am I 

751
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:33,920
helping to create with the 
relationships that are closest 

752
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:36,360
to me? 
A world of. 

753
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:39,080
Hope. 
A world that. 

754
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:43,360
Believes that the end is good. 
Listen, I've read the end of the

755
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:44,560
book. 
I read it. 

756
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:46,600
It's good. 
It's good news. 

757
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:51,720
We get to be. 
Saved from this kind of world 

758
00:42:51,720 --> 00:42:56,240
where our relationships are are 
heavy and burdensome, we get to 

759
00:42:56,240 --> 00:42:59,280
save from that. 
For a world that lifts each 

760
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:03,920
other up, encourages each other,
that blesses and listen, you 

761
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:05,640
don't have to solve all of this 
today. 

762
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:08,160
You don't have to solve. 
All of this today. 

763
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:14,280
Just begin by observing and 
acknowledging and seeing what 

764
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:16,080
it's doing and bearing in your 
life. 

765
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:18,280
Remember that wisdom is 
cumulative. 

766
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:21,240
It builds up. 
And so if your. 

767
00:43:21,240 --> 00:43:26,800
Desire is to walk in wisdom, and
it's worth slowing down and 

768
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:30,120
taking an honest look at the 
trajectory of our lives. 

769
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:32,840
Jesus, I just pray that you. 
Would help us see that. 

770
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:37,760
Holy Spirit. 
You're in US like you are the 

771
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:40,360
very wisdom of God resident in 
us. 

772
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:42,960
That means that you will speak 
in our thoughts, you will speak 

773
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:45,560
in our ears and in our 
insecurities. 

774
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:49,080
You'll speak in those places and
you always point us to Jesus. 

775
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:52,200
And so I just pray that as we go
through this week that you'll 

776
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:55,920
help us see the areas where our 
relationships, our relation to 

777
00:43:55,920 --> 00:44:00,560
other people, our relation to to
fear our relation, to control 

778
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:03,800
our relation to the forgiveness 
and and wisdom. 

779
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:05,800
Lord, I just pray that you would
help us to see that. 

780
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:09,640
And I know that everything. 
In US is going to want to solve 

781
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:13,440
everything all at once. 
We want to be productive, but I 

782
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:16,120
pray that we would just walk 
with you, that we would just be 

783
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:20,560
in your presence. 
And Lord, the hope that we. 

784
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:25,640
Have is that you form us minute 
by minute, over time into 

785
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:29,160
something truly beautiful. 
Or do you set us? 

786
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:32,720
Free from fear. 
You set us free. 

787
00:44:32,720 --> 00:44:36,200
From anxiety. 
You set us free. 

788
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:38,760
From the things that undermine 
and destroy. 

789
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:47,360
And you set us into a world of 
goodness and hope as an example,

790
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:51,000
as a beacon in this world. 
So Lord, I pray that. 

791
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:54,520
Your church would be that, and I
thank you for River City. 

792
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:58,200
I thank you for the truth that 
our brokenness is. 

793
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:02,360
I mean, we don't celebrate. 
Brokenness, but we thank you 

794
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:05,000
that it is the very context 
where we experience your love. 

795
00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:08,120
I pray that that would be in so 
ingrained on us that it would 

796
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:09,840
never go away, that it would 
continue to grow. 

797
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:12,920
And I pray that broken people 
would continue to find their way

798
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:16,040
here to be set free and 
delivered, to be welcomed and 

799
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:19,720
loved in your name and Lord. 
We don't condone sin. 

800
00:45:19,720 --> 00:45:23,360
We don't wink at it, we don't 
acknowledge it, but we don't see

801
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:27,040
sin as a condition for 
withholding love. 

802
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:33,240
And that's hard, and it's 
awkward and it's uncomfortable, 

803
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:37,200
and I don't like it. 
So I pray that you would shake 

804
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:39,720
my heart. 
Help me to be like you. 

805
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:43,400
We thank you for your love and 
Your grace, and we ask these 

806
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:45,480
things. 
In your name and for your glory,

807
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:47,960
Amen. 
Thank you for joining us today. 

808
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:51,200
River City Church is all about 
experiencing and expressing 

809
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:53,880
God's love and our lives and 
community, and we hope that 

810
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:55,920
you've been able to experience 
that today. 

811
00:45:56,600 --> 00:45:59,120
As grateful as I am that you've 
spent this time listening in 

812
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:02,160
this morning, this podcast is no
substitute for full 

813
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:06,080
participation in a local church.
I love it when River City people

814
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:09,400
listen to other pastors, but it 
is those who show up week after 

815
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:12,320
week, faithfully giving their 
support and time and resources 

816
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:15,720
that make all of this possible. 
If we can help you get connected

817
00:46:15,720 --> 00:46:19,680
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818
00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:21,360
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let us know. 

819
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:24,000
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support the ministry of River 

820
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:26,880
City, click the give link on our
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821
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:30,080
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822
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:31,200
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823
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:33,080
So much for. 
Listening, may the Lord bless 

824
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:35,280
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