1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,360 Word of warning, I already went for a drink with James. 2 00:00:04,200 --> 00:00:14,800 Oh, let's go get fruitishes. Hello and welcome to Drinks at 3 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:17,600 the Bar, a podcast where we breakthrough the 4th wall and 4 00:00:17,600 --> 00:00:20,280 discuss everything about dance and the theatre industry. 5 00:00:20,640 --> 00:00:23,800 My name is Paul James Rooney, a dancer, choreographer and dance 6 00:00:23,800 --> 00:00:26,480 teacher based in Copenhagen, and I am your host. 7 00:00:26,800 --> 00:00:30,080 Drinks at the Bar. Today I am joined by the sleek 8 00:00:30,080 --> 00:00:33,000 and fabulous. It is a crime that she has never 9 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:35,040 danced the Arabian dancing Nutcracker. 10 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:39,320 It is Damien Lee Sturk. Hi everybody, I'm Damien Lee 11 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:42,640 Sturk and it is a crime. Director of the Dancers Studio, 12 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:46,200 London, classical ballet teacher and actor with the Royal Ballet. 13 00:00:46,600 --> 00:00:49,680 Here we would discuss everything from hearing backstage stories, 14 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:53,400 touring shenanigans, to deeper issues like body image training, 15 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:55,840 the reality of being a freelance dancer, and much more. 16 00:00:56,120 --> 00:00:58,520 With guest professionals, we're here to share our knowledge, 17 00:00:58,520 --> 00:01:01,640 experience, and to help you with any questions or problems that 18 00:01:01,640 --> 00:01:04,480 you may have about dance and navigating the dance world. 19 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:07,520 Hi, Denise. Hi darling, how are you? 20 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:12,440 I am really good so peek behind the curtain at time of 21 00:01:12,440 --> 00:01:15,760 recording. I have just done the final day 22 00:01:15,760 --> 00:01:18,600 of preparation with James for My Fair Lady. 23 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:21,680 Oh well done. So we did the final day of prep 24 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:27,960 today, went out for one drink and then on Monday we start 25 00:01:27,960 --> 00:01:30,760 rehearsals. Gosh, that's gone so fast. 26 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:34,880 We have prepped, we have, we have done our groundwork because 27 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:38,280 he is very much like me in that he doesn't want any surprises or 28 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:40,760 there's always going to be surprises in a rehearsal period. 29 00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:44,400 But like, I think we're in a good place that we are very, 30 00:01:44,400 --> 00:01:47,320 very prepared. We have all the choreography 31 00:01:47,320 --> 00:01:50,880 done, we have written down who is who and where everyone cross 32 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:54,520 all pathways, everything. So you can throw anything at us 33 00:01:54,520 --> 00:01:56,880 now and we will be calm, he says. 34 00:01:57,080 --> 00:01:59,800 I believe you. I believe you because I've seen 35 00:01:59,800 --> 00:02:04,240 the backstage footage that you've been sending me of the 36 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:09,160 two of you in the studio. Yes, I'm always the woman. 37 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:12,400 That's OK. I think it's, you know, maybe 38 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:14,960 next season James can you can take it in turns when? 39 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:23,440 We do carousel or something. Exactly, just quickly, before we 40 00:02:23,440 --> 00:02:27,440 get too involved in this episode, although one might say 41 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:30,080 we can never be too involved, I really appreciated the 42 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:33,800 introduction and one other listener, Kirsty, she will also 43 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:35,120 appreciate it. So I just want to say hi. 44 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:41,280 Kirsty But it is, I feel like Arabian would be very suited to 45 00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:43,560 you. Yes, I think so too. 46 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:47,160 I'll see what I can do with that. 47 00:02:47,920 --> 00:02:50,680 Watch this space. Let's get Humpy back on the pod 48 00:02:50,680 --> 00:02:53,320 and see if he can create you a little masculine solo from 49 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:55,360 Arabian. Like just a little excerpt that 50 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:58,240 you just drop into like a little triple bill every so often. 51 00:02:59,880 --> 00:03:04,960 And Arabian by Damian Lee Sturk. And 300 backing dancers? 52 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:08,400 Why not? Well, how are you? 53 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:10,960 What have you been up to? What haven't I been up to? 54 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:16,120 It feels like I've just finished teaching for Dancers Studio. 55 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:20,800 We had our Nutcracker the Sugar Plum experience on Sunday which 56 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:24,760 was a huge success. Thrilled that everybody came. 57 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:29,720 It was a packed out event and we have the lovely Marico Sasaki, 58 00:03:29,720 --> 00:03:32,960 first soloist of Royal Ballet. She came in and danced her 59 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:36,560 Sugarplum Fairy, which she's performing this season with the 60 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:38,800 company. So it was a really, it was a 61 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:42,160 beautiful way to finish the season for us. 62 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:47,880 And so now I'm technically, I guess on vacation on, on 63 00:03:47,880 --> 00:03:51,880 Christmas holidays until the 25th of January, which is when 64 00:03:51,880 --> 00:03:53,880 we start back again. So yes. 65 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:58,960 And is Christmas in Scotland or in Bradford or London? 66 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:02,760 Where is Christmas for you? So I was in Yorkshire last week 67 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:06,120 visiting my family before Christmas, which was lovely. 68 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:11,320 And we'll be home in Scotland next week and then possibly 69 00:04:11,320 --> 00:04:14,480 we'll take like a little mini holiday, but we haven't booked 70 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:17,120 anything. And I've just been a little bit 71 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:20,440 reluctant to kind of investigate, which is very 72 00:04:20,440 --> 00:04:21,880 unlike me because I love travelling. 73 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:27,320 I love planning as you know. But with all the touring and the 74 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:31,160 teaching, I I'm just enjoying being in one place at the 75 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:34,000 moment. So you may end up being away, 76 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:35,920 but I'd be quite happy to stay put. 77 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:39,400 So yeah, we'll see. So I don't know yet. 78 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:44,800 Watch this space Follow Denise's social media to see what happens 79 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:48,840 this Christmas. It's exciting. 80 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:52,520 Well, love I have actually, because I went for a drink with 81 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:54,600 James earlier, so I'm sticking with the beer. 82 00:04:54,840 --> 00:04:59,200 So I have a lovely Danish tubor. Oh lovely, I'm on the gin and 83 00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:03,440 tonic classique. No twist, no, no civilian 84 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:06,280 oranges. Cheers love. 85 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:15,000 Well, actually before the I would just say that I before 86 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:18,000 rehearsals start on Monday. So peek behind the curtain 87 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:19,520 again. Today is Thursday. 88 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:22,560 I'm going to Paris tomorrow. Oh my gosh. 89 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:27,040 So I fly to Paris tomorrow with tolls and we are there Friday 90 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:30,160 night, Saturday, come back Sunday morning before we start 91 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:33,760 rehearsals on Monday. But it's the last like trip or 92 00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:37,760 holiday we can have until May next year, so we're popping over 93 00:05:37,760 --> 00:05:42,280 to see a friend and ex colleague from Anastasia who is now in 94 00:05:42,280 --> 00:05:45,080 Chicago. The musical in Paris, Brilliant. 95 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:49,040 Chicago in French on. Saturday, fabulous. 96 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:52,400 I'm so excited for you and I love Paris and if the weather is 97 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:56,040 like anything, it's been today here in London, beautiful blue 98 00:05:56,040 --> 00:05:58,600 and crisp weather. I hope the weather is going to 99 00:05:58,600 --> 00:06:01,360 be the same in Paris because it's so lovely to stroll around 100 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:04,520 and just everything will be festive and it's so elegant in 101 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:07,120 Paris. It's understated festivities. 102 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:11,240 So it's just so chic. And you know, take off the crap, 103 00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:15,920 take off the macaron, take off the gift shop at Opera to Parry. 104 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:22,640 Or two legs. Cheers. 105 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:24,960 Cheers to that, I wish I was coming with you. 106 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:30,560 Surprise, I am. I only have hand luggage. 107 00:06:35,280 --> 00:06:37,880 OK, so I have to clear up something. 108 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:43,800 I have lied not on purpose. I have lied to you listeners. 109 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:47,120 I have lied to Denise. I lied to myself. 110 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:52,240 So when I told the story the other week about the autographs 111 00:06:52,240 --> 00:06:55,520 in this in this old ballet book and Margot Fontaine's autograph. 112 00:06:55,960 --> 00:07:00,520 Yes, I. Misremembered, if that is a 113 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:02,960 word. I remembered incorrectly the 114 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:06,480 story, so I said that my granddad had gone up and 115 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:09,280 sketched the dancers and then got them to sign the book. 116 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:11,600 That is a fallacy. That is a lie. 117 00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:16,680 That is incorrect. So the story is even better than 118 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:17,200 that. Oh. 119 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:21,360 Great. So the story goes that my 120 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:27,720 granddad was 19 years old at the time, 19 or 20, his mother. 121 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:30,720 So my great grandmother, basically my great grandmother 122 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:36,920 was friends with some hoity toity woman who was something 123 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:40,080 like, you know, one of maybe an investor or friends of the Opera 124 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:44,040 House or something like this. And Margaret Fontaine was about 125 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:48,040 to do a very important performance and she asked my 126 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:51,960 great grandmother, oh, your son's an artist, isn't he? 127 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:54,800 Would he be able to paint an egg? 128 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:57,600 Not Faberge egg, but like, you know, an egg. 129 00:07:57,600 --> 00:07:59,680 I don't know when Austria said he can do some artistry, 130 00:07:59,840 --> 00:08:01,520 artistry. He can do some art on a drawing 131 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:03,920 or painting, whatever. Would he be able to paint on an 132 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:08,000 egg for Margot Fontaine as a present for this special 133 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:09,720 performance? Whatever. 134 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:14,080 And so he did. And then as a thank you, this 135 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:18,600 lady got the company to sign the book and gave it to him. 136 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:24,000 Oh wow, how lovely. So Margot Fontaine, I know she's 137 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:28,200 not with us anymore, but Margot Fontaine or the estate of Margot 138 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:31,840 Fontaine or somewhere in the world, there is an egg painted 139 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:35,480 by my granddad for Margot Fontaine somewhere. 140 00:08:35,480 --> 00:08:37,200 Oh. We need to find out where that 141 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:39,520 egg is and it needs to be in your apartment. 142 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:45,400 So listeners yet again, if you could write, but isn't that 143 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:47,880 crazy? Margot Fontaine had AI. 144 00:08:47,880 --> 00:08:52,320 Don't know if it was like an emu egg or whatever it was but I she 145 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:55,720 had this present painted by Margaret Fontaine had a present 146 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:57,560 in her house painted by my granddad I. 147 00:08:57,560 --> 00:08:59,120 Love that for you. I love it. 148 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:00,520 It's. Incredible. 149 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:03,200 So yeah, sorry for lying, but I didn't know I was lying at the 150 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:04,760 time. Exactly. 151 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:06,760 So we can't hold hold it against you. 152 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:11,480 However, if that egg doesn't make it back in the next three 153 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:14,080 weeks, they'll will be consequences. 154 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:23,040 So before we dive into today's theme and subject, I just wanted 155 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:27,120 to quickly talk about our two hour extravaganza with Dina 156 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:30,920 Bjorn, Oh. Yes, interesting woman so. 157 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:34,240 I was lucky enough to actually this interview. 158 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:38,000 We're both in the same city, we both live here, so it seemed a 159 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:41,240 little bit silly to try and do it over an app. 160 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:44,120 So it's the first interview that I've done which hasn't been over 161 00:09:44,120 --> 00:09:46,080 Riverside, which is what we used to do this. 162 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:50,440 She was in my apartment, so I sat her down, she was opposite 163 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:53,280 me on the sofa and we were drinking Chablis together and it 164 00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:56,520 was absolutely fantastic. And I haven't seen her now for, 165 00:09:56,520 --> 00:10:01,280 I don't know, maybe about eight years or six or eight years or 166 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:03,760 something like that. And it was lovely to catch up, 167 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:08,520 but I did not know half the stuff she was talking about. 168 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:14,000 Like I knew that her dad had been director of Pantomime 169 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:17,040 Theatre. I knew that she had been a child 170 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:21,200 at Pantomime Theatre, so and then I then worked with her. 171 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:24,320 She was the choreographer of the the ballets at the Queen of 172 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:27,320 Denmark, design costumes. And that was kind of about it. 173 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:30,080 I, I had heard little stories here and there about her. 174 00:10:30,080 --> 00:10:33,280 But again, all that hearsay and you know, you never know Lost in 175 00:10:33,280 --> 00:10:36,240 translation and you never know what is actually true and all 176 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:39,400 that kind of stuff. Just stories. 177 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:42,920 I mean, the fact that she ended up being who she is and she 178 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:44,560 didn't get into the Royal Danish. 179 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:47,680 She went to the audition, didn't get the job. 180 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:50,360 And then a couple of months later some people got pregnant. 181 00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:52,440 They call her in. And then on that tour she was 182 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:55,920 hired to do she become, she does like a soloist role by Jerome 183 00:10:55,920 --> 00:10:58,840 Robbins. Like what on earth is that life? 184 00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:03,840 That's incredible to think that someone's life can be changed so 185 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:05,680 quickly. I mean, we all we've spoken 186 00:11:05,680 --> 00:11:08,560 about it many times on this podcast about right place, right 187 00:11:08,560 --> 00:11:11,720 time and all that kind of thing. But it's incredible that she 188 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:14,160 wasn't supposed to do the job and then suddenly did the job 189 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:17,000 and ended up then being a lead in one of the ballets. 190 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:19,040 Like, that's incredible. And. 191 00:11:19,040 --> 00:11:22,440 Also, it's, you know, it's interesting to consider perhaps 192 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:27,080 if she'd have been successful the first time, would her track 193 00:11:27,080 --> 00:11:30,760 have grown in the same way she may have been in the quarter 194 00:11:30,760 --> 00:11:33,560 ballet for the rest of her career and never done a solo 195 00:11:33,560 --> 00:11:35,640 whiz track. You know, it's just, it is a 196 00:11:35,640 --> 00:11:39,680 case of right place at the right time and, and some of the, some 197 00:11:39,680 --> 00:11:42,960 of the things that we can't control end up being the most 198 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:45,360 special and important moments in our careers. 199 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:48,440 It's so, it's so interesting. I loved her talking about her 200 00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:52,680 family and her history and and her father still performing into 201 00:11:52,680 --> 00:11:55,320 his early 80s is just phenomenal. 202 00:11:55,320 --> 00:11:58,760 And just could really feel, I mean, what is lovely is that she 203 00:11:58,760 --> 00:12:00,720 mentions her father a lot because obviously he was an 204 00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:05,520 important man in the, in the Danish ballet history world, 205 00:12:05,680 --> 00:12:08,280 what have you. But also you can just hear that 206 00:12:08,280 --> 00:12:10,600 he means so much to her. And that's really, really, 207 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:11,800 really lovely. Yeah. 208 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:15,240 It was a really great episode and how lovely to be with your 209 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:19,840 guest because the energy is different and the conversation 210 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:22,400 must feel different and it's but it's a lot of pressure for you, 211 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:26,040 I imagine, because you know you're having to keep tapped in 212 00:12:26,040 --> 00:12:30,160 and and with her on her journey because of course they're her 213 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:33,920 memories, but you're having to just absorb everything and not 214 00:12:34,760 --> 00:12:37,560 and not get too carried away with the listening because you 215 00:12:37,560 --> 00:12:39,800 have to be respond with a question. 216 00:12:41,560 --> 00:12:44,240 But that's the thing, like you sit there just really, Oh, wow, 217 00:12:44,440 --> 00:12:46,480 that's incredible. Oh, wait, what was I supposed to 218 00:12:46,560 --> 00:12:47,480 say? What was I supposed to say? 219 00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:49,000 Are we recording? Is she holding her mic 220 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:50,760 correctly? And are we connected to the 221 00:12:50,760 --> 00:12:52,960 Internet? Are we doing like and then 222 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:56,840 trying trying to do everything And also be pleasant and polite 223 00:12:56,840 --> 00:12:58,680 and listen and pour the. Drinks. 224 00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:02,120 Pour the drinks, pour the Chablis, you can come in. 225 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:06,920 But I have to say it was it was Tools, my partner who said to me 226 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:10,040 he was like, so when she comes over, make sure there's some 227 00:13:10,040 --> 00:13:12,200 white wine. And I said, no, I remember, I 228 00:13:12,200 --> 00:13:15,360 remember she likes, she likes a nice glass of white wine. 229 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:18,600 And then Tools said straight away he was like, bring in the 230 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:19,960 good Chablis. Oh. 231 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:21,840 Yeah, excellent. So we had. 232 00:13:22,280 --> 00:13:27,320 We had a lovely, lovely Chablis and you can't hear any episode, 233 00:13:27,880 --> 00:13:30,600 but I did pause to fill up the glasses. 234 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:35,600 Good girl. But no, I'm, I'm really happy 235 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:39,640 that we, I managed to speak to Dina and hear all about her life 236 00:13:39,640 --> 00:13:42,600 and, and also talk about, you know, what she's doing now with 237 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:46,280 going around the world and her thoughts on teaching Bonneville 238 00:13:46,280 --> 00:13:49,760 and the legacy of Bonneville and hearing from the horse's mouth 239 00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:53,040 what it is like and what it's like going to these other 240 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:57,360 countries and companies and what she has to the differences of 241 00:13:57,360 --> 00:14:00,240 different companies. I was very happy to speak to 242 00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:02,560 her. So cheers, Dina, and thank you 243 00:14:02,560 --> 00:14:04,000 for being a guest. Yeah. 244 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:06,560 Cheers. Wonderful, wonderful opportunity 245 00:14:06,560 --> 00:14:08,120 to hear about her life. Yeah. 246 00:14:08,440 --> 00:14:14,640 So cheers. So today as we are heading into 247 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:18,200 the Christmas period, I wanted us to talk about breaks and 248 00:14:18,200 --> 00:14:23,320 holidays and keeping in shape during breaks and resting during 249 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:26,680 breaks and all of that. And when, yeah, when you should 250 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:30,640 use your break as a break and when actually you need to 251 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:33,040 actually keep your body going because you're performing on 252 00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:35,160 Boxing Day. And the first thing I would say 253 00:14:35,160 --> 00:14:38,680 is that every company, again like we always say, every 254 00:14:38,680 --> 00:14:41,800 company, every job, every contract is different. 255 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:46,120 And again, listen to your body. But there are moments when you 256 00:14:46,120 --> 00:14:50,320 are on a break. For example, if you are off just 257 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:53,600 the 25th of December and then you are performing again on 258 00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:56,360 Boxing Day, enjoy the 25th and be off. 259 00:14:56,720 --> 00:14:58,720 You don't have to do anything exactly. 260 00:14:59,360 --> 00:15:02,280 Like we did with Swan Lake at Sadler's Wells, we had literally 261 00:15:02,280 --> 00:15:06,800 2 days off and 32 shows the week before and 32 shows the week 262 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:08,600 after. So those two days we could 263 00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:13,640 afford to rest and just recover. But every country is different, 264 00:15:13,640 --> 00:15:16,480 as you know, like I just said, every company contract 265 00:15:16,520 --> 00:15:18,920 production, but also every country is different. 266 00:15:18,920 --> 00:15:22,680 And some countries will give you, I don't know, six days off 267 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:25,840 for Christmas or a week off for New Year's or whatever that 268 00:15:25,840 --> 00:15:29,240 specific country celebrates or their rules and regulations are 269 00:15:29,240 --> 00:15:32,080 for bank holidays and such. And that's when you need to 270 00:15:32,080 --> 00:15:35,800 start being a little bit careful with your body because let's 271 00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:40,560 just take an example. If you are off an entire week in 272 00:15:40,560 --> 00:15:44,520 the middle of an intense performing week, like you're 273 00:15:44,520 --> 00:15:47,800 doing Nutcracker or Swan Lake, whatever it is, and they because 274 00:15:47,800 --> 00:15:51,040 of public holidays, they give you an entire week off, you 275 00:15:51,040 --> 00:15:55,640 can't really afford to do nothing for that entire week. 276 00:15:55,960 --> 00:15:58,600 No. Because you can't be off, you 277 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:01,920 know, Monday to Sunday and then on Monday you do a double show 278 00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:05,520 and expect your body to just jump back into action. 279 00:16:05,840 --> 00:16:09,080 It's dangerous. And even not taking age into a 280 00:16:09,080 --> 00:16:13,960 factor, like even as a young person, it's not, it's not safe. 281 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:18,840 You can't sit on your backside eating quality streets for seven 282 00:16:18,840 --> 00:16:22,200 days in a row and then do a show straight away. 283 00:16:22,280 --> 00:16:25,680 You do. You do have to do something to 284 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:29,560 keep yourself keep, you know, rest for a day or a day and 1/2 285 00:16:29,560 --> 00:16:32,840 day or two or whatever. But then you need to keep 286 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:36,320 yourself going a little bit. Keep the fire burning, yeah. 287 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:40,320 I think it's smart, it's wise to have a plan. 288 00:16:40,480 --> 00:16:43,320 If you have those seven days free. 289 00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:48,600 You may wish to rest the first day, rest on Christmas Day if 290 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:52,120 you're celebrating, or Boxing Day, whichever way you want to 291 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:55,400 celebrate. But then you have to reactivate 292 00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:58,880 the body to gear up for that pending show, don't you? 293 00:16:58,920 --> 00:17:05,400 So it's important to think about it because also you, you may 294 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:07,920 have a very busy week, you might be out and about, you might be 295 00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:10,319 going ice skating, you might be going caroling, you might be 296 00:17:10,359 --> 00:17:13,200 having multiple Christmas lunches or dinners with friends 297 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:15,359 and families. So you've got to navigate 298 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:20,920 through your downtime, but always keep in mind you still 299 00:17:20,920 --> 00:17:24,480 have to be performance ready even though it's important to 300 00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:26,440 rest. So I think it would it would 301 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:30,040 certainly matter how many days you have free, what kind of show 302 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:34,520 you have to go back to to allow for how much you can rest and 303 00:17:34,520 --> 00:17:39,120 how much you need to keep on top of being ready to dance and. 304 00:17:39,120 --> 00:17:43,400 It's always hard because the majority of families, you will 305 00:17:43,400 --> 00:17:47,000 be the only one in your family who is a performer or a dancer 306 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:50,160 or what have you. So everybody else will be 307 00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:52,920 probably sitting on their ass for seven days and it doesn't 308 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:55,120 matter. They go back to work after 309 00:17:55,120 --> 00:17:56,880 sitting on their ass for six days. 310 00:17:56,920 --> 00:18:01,480 It, it doesn't affect anything. But for you jumping into Swan 311 00:18:01,480 --> 00:18:04,200 Lake on Monday after not doing anything for seven days, it's 312 00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:07,200 very easy to, I mean, everybody's body is different, 313 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:12,160 but for me, for example, it's lower back Ding like goes or 314 00:18:12,440 --> 00:18:15,440 ankle goes because you're not, oh, your body's not awake, your 315 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:18,840 body's not ready to, you know, catch itself if something goes 316 00:18:18,840 --> 00:18:22,680 wrong or whatever. So it is very important to rest. 317 00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:26,440 Listen to your body, however, keep things ticking over because 318 00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:28,280 you're not at the end of your contract. 319 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:32,560 Just because there is some time off doesn't mean it's a holiday. 320 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:35,120 Yes. I mean for me right now. 321 00:18:35,120 --> 00:18:40,840 I just finished teaching on Sunday and I ended up booking an 322 00:18:40,840 --> 00:18:44,200 appointment with Leon in Covent Garden for a reset. 323 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:48,880 So I had an hour's treatment just to keep my body kind of 324 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:53,360 working even though I'm not teaching or on stage for the 325 00:18:53,360 --> 00:18:57,320 next 5 weeks. But it's important to be able to 326 00:18:57,400 --> 00:19:02,480 maintain because from experience, once you stop, 327 00:19:02,760 --> 00:19:05,320 whether it's for three days, four days a week, two weeks, 328 00:19:05,320 --> 00:19:08,560 it's so much harder to come back to where you need to be for 329 00:19:08,560 --> 00:19:12,200 performance. So even though I'm off, I'm off 330 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:15,640 for five weeks, technically I'm still going to the gym. 331 00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:18,840 I'm still doing my exercises, I'm still doing, you know, 332 00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:21,120 working on my feet. I've got my theraband, I've got 333 00:19:21,120 --> 00:19:23,440 my foot roller, I've got my tennis ball. 334 00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:26,000 And not everyday, you know, I'm not crazy. 335 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:27,360 I it is. Chris especially, you have to 336 00:19:27,360 --> 00:19:29,520 enjoy yourself, of course. Exactly. 337 00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:34,640 But I I don't want to find that in by the 25th of Jan my body 338 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:38,960 feels horrendous because I've been on holiday mode and I 339 00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:41,480 actually can't point my feet without cramping because I 340 00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:44,600 haven't done anything. So I'd rather just maintain and 341 00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:50,000 sustain than risk it all for the sake of like, the festivities, I 342 00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:51,480 mean. And that's a that's a perfect 343 00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:52,920 segue. When you said you have 5 weeks 344 00:19:52,920 --> 00:19:56,680 off, it's a perfect segue into finishing a contract and being a 345 00:19:56,680 --> 00:19:59,080 freelancer. Yeah, you say you said you have 346 00:19:59,080 --> 00:19:59,920 5 weeks off. You're. 347 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:03,040 Next thing that you, you know, in your schedule is in five 348 00:20:03,040 --> 00:20:07,640 weeks, however, tomorrow JoJo could call you tomorrow and say, 349 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:10,200 can you teach San Francisco Ballet on Monday because we're 350 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:12,040 on tour and I would like you to teach company class. 351 00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:15,400 Your body needs to be able to get up and go and go do that. 352 00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:18,720 Especially as a freelancer, you have to be ready all the time. 353 00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:21,840 And again, yes, you need to be able to have your Christmas 354 00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:23,920 holiday and enjoy yourself a blah, blah, blah. 355 00:20:24,120 --> 00:20:26,320 I'm not saying you need to do a ballet bar at home every single 356 00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:28,920 day, but exactly what you just said, Denise, you're just doing 357 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:32,080 a plank here and there or, you know, keeping yourself alive so 358 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:35,000 that when that random teaching gig happens, you don't go over 359 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:38,240 your ankle demonstrating a double ensemble or whatever. 360 00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:41,960 Exactly, And I'm giggling because that would never happen 361 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:45,040 because a double assemble. Are you mad? 362 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:48,080 Oh, I like a. Double assembly and a Glissad 363 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:53,960 assemble and a toned queen. Absolutely, but I thought you 364 00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:55,800 meant on Tono. You meant a. 365 00:20:55,800 --> 00:20:58,480 Double I was like are. You mad? 366 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:02,080 Oh. God no. 367 00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:03,680 No. Double as some blazer. 368 00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:07,120 Catchy Allegro, yes. Like I really push through that 369 00:21:07,120 --> 00:21:10,200 floor and really get some of that foot on that floor. 370 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:13,360 It's for the pressure. It's for the pressure. 371 00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:18,640 Agreed, Absolutely agreed. And and as we've discussed a few 372 00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:22,200 weeks ago, my last two contracts were out of the blue. 373 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:26,320 So it does work because I was still in shape, thankfully. 374 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:28,880 If I'd have thought, oh, I don't have anything coming up until 375 00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:32,680 December, you know, with a workshop I can chill a bit, a 376 00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:34,760 little bit. I'd have been, I would have felt 377 00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:38,360 awful because they were very high profile productions. 378 00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:42,440 And thankfully, yeah, because as we've discussed, I'd maintained 379 00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:47,040 and sustained and I could go in and feel, feel good about myself 380 00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:48,480 and my body. So it's really, really 381 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:53,280 important. And it doesn't take much to 382 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:57,840 sustain a good core. And you've already mentioned 383 00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:00,360 planking. You only need the amount of as 384 00:22:00,360 --> 00:22:02,520 the length of your own body, right? 385 00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:06,200 So in a hotel room or if you're going home to your parents or 386 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:10,760 you're staying away, you can easily find a little corridor 387 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:14,440 may not be the most comfortable or the most glamorous, but you 388 00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:18,200 can find a little strip of floor where you can plank, do 389 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:21,600 abdominal exercises, do your stretches, do your back 390 00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:24,800 mobilization. And of course, going to the gym 391 00:22:25,120 --> 00:22:29,400 is a great treat because for me, I like having some like an 392 00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:31,200 action, waking up and having an action. 393 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:33,680 I like to get up and think I'm going to a destination. 394 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:35,240 I'm going to the. Yeah, I like to. 395 00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:37,120 Leave exactly. It offers a little bit more. 396 00:22:37,120 --> 00:22:41,040 Motivation because other people are working around you, working 397 00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:44,120 out. But during the holiday season in 398 00:22:44,120 --> 00:22:48,040 particular, it's, it can be difficult, can't it, to find or 399 00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:52,400 to have access to a gym or to, to those spaces that you're used 400 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:53,520 to. Oh, look at you. 401 00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:56,520 Segwaying again. Denise, you're on fire today. 402 00:22:57,400 --> 00:22:58,640 I really am I. Really. 403 00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:02,160 I really AM. Because I was, I was literally 404 00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:05,720 going to say, so if it is regarding going to your parents 405 00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:08,640 house for Christmas or even if you were going to, I don't know, 406 00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:11,480 Gran Canario on a week summer vacation and then you have to 407 00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:15,400 come back and do straightaway into a summer gala or whatever 408 00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:18,560 it is. You know, we, we do have, again, 409 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:20,880 can't say enough. You do also need to rest or 410 00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:23,520 whatever. However, if you are in a 411 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:27,080 situation where let's just say I've just done a show of Romeo 412 00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:29,920 and Juliet, I have a week and a half off and then I come back 413 00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:32,760 and I go straight into another show that week and a half. 414 00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:36,120 I want to be off and I want to enjoy my week off that I have. 415 00:23:36,120 --> 00:23:39,080 So I'm going to Gran Canaria, Lanzarote, whatever. 416 00:23:39,360 --> 00:23:43,880 And yes, you can calm down the intensity and you can inverted 417 00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:47,880 commas relax. However, personally, I wouldn't 418 00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:49,880 recommend stopping because you're going to have to do a 419 00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:51,320 performance on Monday in a minute. 420 00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:55,240 What are some things that you would do, for example, Denise, 421 00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:59,840 if you were in, let's just say, parents House Hotel room without 422 00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:03,160 a gym in a lovely Hut in the middle of the Maldives? 423 00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:08,280 What are some things you can tell our beautiful listeners 424 00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:12,160 that you would do to keep the body going and in shape? 425 00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:15,480 Yeah, OK. So I would definitely pack 426 00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:19,480 wherever I was going, pack my foot roller, my theraband and my 427 00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:21,960 tennis ball because they don't take up any space. 428 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:26,760 They barely weigh anything. And that means I can take care 429 00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:29,440 of my body. I can roll out, I can work on my 430 00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:32,160 feet, I can keep the muscles feeling good. 431 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:37,960 And as we discussed abdominal exercises and planking really to 432 00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:41,680 keep the core strong and engaged. 433 00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:47,000 I have been known to kind of join a gym if I go home to visit 434 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:49,600 my parents in Yorkshire, if I go to their home. 435 00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:54,480 But sometimes that can take too much time out of the day when 436 00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:56,800 you're you're trying to celebrate the festivities with 437 00:24:56,800 --> 00:25:00,320 your friends and your family. So it's much easier for me, I've 438 00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:06,320 discovered, to wake up, have coffee, get my exercise routine 439 00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:09,040 out of the way. Because the longer the day goes, 440 00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:13,560 the less motivated I am to then take 40 minutes, 45 minutes or 441 00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:16,560 even half an hour to do that workout. 442 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:19,640 But even walking, walking is great. 443 00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:22,160 Yeah, that family. Christmas walk is actually very 444 00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:23,840 good. Yeah, make the most. 445 00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:27,920 Of it, you know, get out there, get walking because it's still a 446 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:30,520 form of exercise. It gets the heart rate going if 447 00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:33,320 you're walking for long enough. And also if you have access to a 448 00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:37,000 swimming pool, like your local, local swimming baths, you know, 449 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:40,840 depending on how rural you're going, you may not be able to do 450 00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:43,680 that. But swimming is also fantastic. 451 00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:47,840 And I think just doing something, but not every day. 452 00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:50,880 And if you do it in the morning, you've then got the entire day 453 00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:53,800 to do other activities like meeting friends, like catching 454 00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:56,600 up with family, going to the cinema or having a lunch, 455 00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:59,240 enjoying the holiday. Yeah, exactly. 456 00:25:59,360 --> 00:26:01,360 What about you? Well, I mean, I'm. 457 00:26:01,360 --> 00:26:02,960 I'm. Kind of the same I want to over 458 00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:05,440 and done with. And again, we're not talking 459 00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:10,720 about trying to get in shape or increase technique or be better. 460 00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:14,040 It's kind of just relaxing, but keeping the body going. 461 00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:18,320 And let's just take. If I was on holiday in Gran 462 00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:21,840 Canaria, whatever, I would be swimming every day. 463 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:25,240 I know everybody does. But I think consciously in my 464 00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:30,080 mind, because that's the way I'm built #trauma, yeah, you know, 465 00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:33,080 lying there by the pool, sunbathing. 466 00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:36,040 We all jump in the pool to cool off when we're sunbathing. 467 00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:39,800 But I consciously would be cool. I've now jumped in the pool. 468 00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:43,160 Let's do 10 lengths or whatever. Yes, for sure. 469 00:26:43,360 --> 00:26:46,680 There is also eggs, I mean a. 100% the same issue planking 470 00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:50,080 because again, it's core, but planking is also working the 471 00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:51,880 rest of your body. If you're really if you're 472 00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:54,720 planking correctly and you were thinking about pulling through 473 00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:58,000 your spine and the whole body being engaged, you are engaging 474 00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:00,200 your calves, your thighs, your hands, your pollutes, your back, 475 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:03,600 your everything is is engaged. And again, we're not saying that 476 00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:06,800 we're there to build muscle. It's just to keep the body 477 00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:09,600 alive. Keep the body kind of Oh yes, I 478 00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:12,400 I do have muscles like keep the body awake yes. 479 00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:14,800 So I would plank. I would summer holiday. 480 00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:17,440 I'm just talking now. I would plank, I would swim. 481 00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:20,400 I would probably do you know what I actually do do because 482 00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:23,800 usually most hotel rooms would have one shower while tours is 483 00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:26,880 in the shower, I would do some press ups and then I would then 484 00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:28,800 take my shower. No, before dinner or in the 485 00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:31,240 morning or whatever. It is like shoving some press 486 00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:34,800 ups every so often. And the thing that I would say 487 00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:39,480 is probably the most important for me personally cuz how what 488 00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:44,560 my body tells me is stretching. I need to stretch my thighs and 489 00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:48,200 my hips, do a little hamstring, do a little downward dog. 490 00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:50,800 Again, not crazy. I'm not shouldering my leg and 491 00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:52,520 doing like crazy, crazy, crazy stuff. 492 00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:54,800 But just like, you know, and not even every day. 493 00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:58,120 If I'm on holiday for a week, every second day or whatever, 494 00:27:58,120 --> 00:28:02,040 just a little stretch here and there so that I am ready when I 495 00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:04,400 come back from this holiday to go straight into work. 496 00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:07,040 I haven't had a whole week off not stretching. 497 00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:10,440 So yeah, stretching, planking, swimming, press UPS. 498 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:15,600 If I'm off for maybe longer than a week, I will grab a bookcase, 499 00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:20,760 grab a mantelpiece, grab a whatever and Tondus Glue says. 500 00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:26,200 Because as someone who is now not ballet world anymore and 501 00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:30,240 musicals, I think it is so important for anybody, any 502 00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:33,440 dancer, to be honest, whatever genre you're doing to keep 503 00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:36,040 ankles awake and strength in the ankles. 504 00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:38,600 Because if you're a girl in a musical, you're going to be 505 00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:41,280 wearing heels the entire time. You're going to go over that 506 00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:42,000 ankle. You are. 507 00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:46,040 If it's relaxed and not strong enough, keep the strength in the 508 00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:47,440 ankles. Face the bar. 509 00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:50,880 Do 884422 11 a couple of times every single day. 510 00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:53,320 That's enough. Do some relevase facing the bar. 511 00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:55,880 Do a couple of quick and easy tondo exercises. 512 00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:59,720 It literally takes 10 minutes. Put on like Hampi said in his 513 00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:04,280 episode which he put on some music and do club class as he 514 00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:06,640 calls it. Put on some basement jacks and 515 00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:09,120 just keep one track going and just do tondos to the right, 516 00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:11,760 turn around, tondos to the left. The easiest exercise in the 517 00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:13,440 world. One slow 2 quick front side 518 00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:17,880 back, turn around, face the bar 88442211 that is it that's all 519 00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:21,440 you need to do It's not again, it's not about getting better, 520 00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:24,160 it's not about increasing your technique or increasing 521 00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:26,480 strength. It's about keeping what you have 522 00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:29,840 and keeping your body awake. So just those just a little 523 00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:33,720 simple Tondo here and there. If I had more than a week I can 524 00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:35,760 you can do a week without doing tondo that's fine. 525 00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:38,040 But like more than a week I would. 526 00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:40,640 But again, it completely sorry to go back on myself. 527 00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:44,720 But again, if I'm going from this is not from experience, but 528 00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:48,280 if I'm going from playing Prince Siegfried in Swan Lake at the 529 00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:51,200 Paris Opera, then I have four days off and then doing Prince 530 00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:52,960 Siegfried in Swan Lake on the 5th day. 531 00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:55,720 Maybe I would do my tondos facing the bar and do some kind 532 00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:59,080 of stuff because I don't think I probably I could sit on my ass 533 00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:01,680 for four days and then suddenly throw out a principal roll out 534 00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:04,760 of the out of a hat. Yeah, I think you know you have. 535 00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:09,080 To be responsible for yourself. And in those moments where I'm 536 00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:13,760 feeling tired or there's lack of motivation or I'm eager to do 537 00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:18,160 something else that day, I have to remind myself this is for my 538 00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:21,200 own benefit. Like I'm doing it and I'm going 539 00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:23,440 to benefit from this, so why wouldn't I? 540 00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:27,600 But sometimes, especially after a busy season, you do feel a 541 00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:30,280 little bit like, I just don't want to have to think about it 542 00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:33,280 in those moments. Just remind yourself it's better 543 00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:35,480 for you. Hopefully you'll create some 544 00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:38,440 endorphins and you'll you'll be feeling better after doing a 545 00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:41,920 little bit of exercise and you'll be grateful and thankful 546 00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:44,840 when you do get back on stage and your body doesn't hate you, 547 00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:47,800 you know, for taking through and that's and that's actually. 548 00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:52,000 The best time to then do the swimming, the I don't know if 549 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:54,880 there's a little yoga class at your hotel, in your all 550 00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:58,400 inclusive resort or whatever it is to do something that is not 551 00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:00,800 dancing. Yeah, because just because it's 552 00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:03,400 not dancing doesn't mean it's not helping you. 553 00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:05,400 Of course it's it's also exercise, it's also 554 00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:07,560 strengthening. So if you are feeling really 555 00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:10,080 anti ballet or anti dancing, you need a break. 556 00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:13,840 That's when the swimming that's when the the yoga class at your 557 00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:19,800 all inclusive Tui resort or whatever will help you and 558 00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:22,600 provide my. Friend had a Really. 559 00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:25,160 Bad ankle. This is now throwing back to 560 00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:29,360 like 2006 or something. My friend injured her ankle and 561 00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:32,560 her rehabilitation. Her doctor and physio told her 562 00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:37,440 to go walk on the beach. Her rehab was walk in wet sand 563 00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:40,440 slowly because that's going to, like, you're going to be very 564 00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:44,640 controlling on, you know, either side of your foot and going 565 00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:47,680 through the ankle and what muscles and, you know, rolling 566 00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:51,280 and all that kind of stuff. So, yeah, her rehab was go to 567 00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:53,960 the beach and walk in wet sand. OK. 568 00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:58,480 I wish that was my rehab. Cool. 569 00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:01,600 Does it matter what? Beach definitely long. 570 00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:06,160 Haul, I think it definitely has. To be at least 18 hours away. 571 00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:13,400 I would say this whole. Conversation does also loop 572 00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:17,960 round again to our freelance keeping in keeping in shape as a 573 00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:23,040 freelancer and stuff like this. And I can't say enough that 574 00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:26,920 being an unemployed dancer or being a freelance dancer or 575 00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:29,360 being in between contracts, however you want to word it, 576 00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:32,960 it's expensive going to class, it really is. 577 00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:36,600 And whether it is you don't have any money to go to class, 578 00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:40,080 whether it is you are in the middle of nowhere on holiday, 579 00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:42,240 you can't get to class, or you're at your parents house and 580 00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:45,280 you can't get to class, whatever it is, you were big enough and 581 00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:49,640 ugly enough to know how to do a ballet bar by yourself. 582 00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:53,680 So don't feel stupid. Don't feel less than. 583 00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:58,960 Don't feel any which way about it of holding onto a bookcase, 584 00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:03,760 ironing board chair, whatever it is and doing a little ballet bar 585 00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:06,800 for yourself. Because you do not need a 586 00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:10,520 Harlequin dance floor. You do not need a ballet bar at 587 00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:15,920 home to be able to do a bar. I am 40 years old and I have 588 00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:20,680 done that throughout my career and I have only just got myself 589 00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:23,320 a floor at home. I have been holding on to chairs 590 00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:27,720 and bookcases and walls and whatever on a wooden floor on a 591 00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:30,000 carpet or whatever to keep myself in shape. 592 00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:33,160 So do it. Don't don't feel that you need 593 00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:36,480 to go to class to keep in shape because those things that we've 594 00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:40,000 mentioned about holiday things that you can do are also things 595 00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:43,240 you can do to keep yourself in shape as a freelancer who 596 00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:46,000 doesn't have enough money to go to class because let's face it, 597 00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:49,800 pineapple dance works. Whatever place you're going to 598 00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:54,600 is expensive and we, no unemployed person can afford to 599 00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:57,120 go to an open class every single day. 600 00:33:57,120 --> 00:34:00,640 That is impossible. That is financially not a 601 00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:04,720 realistic thing to say. So grab that bookcase or 602 00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:08,480 windowsill and remember what your dance teacher did at 603 00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:10,400 school. Copy those exercises. 604 00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:14,719 You don't need to be doing complicated exercises to keep in 605 00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:17,120 shape. The complicated exercises at 606 00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:20,560 school were there to train your brain to pick up and all that 607 00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:22,880 kind of stuff. Right now we're just talking 608 00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:25,760 about our body. There is no no difference 609 00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:28,639 between you doing 4 to the front, 4 to the side, 4 to the 610 00:34:28,639 --> 00:34:31,400 back, and one slow 2 quick pretty different bit. 611 00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:33,880 You don't have to do a complicated exercise to be in 612 00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:36,920 shape. 4 in each position, turn around second side. 613 00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:40,600 Am I right or am I right? Yeah, I love that. 614 00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:45,280 Because I'm a firm believer in teaching, of course, it can be 615 00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:49,840 exciting and it's great to keep a balance of simple exercises 616 00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:52,239 versus quicker, complicated exercises. 617 00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:57,040 However, I always say to my dancers, the simpler the 618 00:34:57,040 --> 00:35:00,760 exercise, the less space you have to hide. 619 00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:04,160 So you have to focus on pure technique. 620 00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:07,880 And I think sometimes that's why we enjoy those quick exercises 621 00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:12,440 because sometimes we can or we may fudge a little bit some of 622 00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:14,280 the technique to get through the exercise. 623 00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:17,720 However, when I'm giving an exercise, when I'm setting an 624 00:35:17,720 --> 00:35:20,440 exercise, I like to keep it interesting. 625 00:35:20,720 --> 00:35:26,240 But the focus, the whole point is to improve and understand 626 00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:30,240 classical ballet technique. SO4 to the front, 4 to the back, 627 00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:34,600 four to the side, Demi plier, whatever it is, the focus is 628 00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:37,840 pure technique. And that may be boring for some 629 00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:42,480 dancers who like quick footwork and that may come later on in 630 00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:45,040 the class. And it should if you're evolving 631 00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:47,120 through the class, we've got, you know, pedi, allegro, 632 00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:50,600 etcetera, etcetera. But but it's just as. 633 00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:54,280 Beneficial more It's far. More beneficial to do, do simple 634 00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:56,520 exercises. And I think you'll find, and I 635 00:35:56,520 --> 00:36:00,320 discovered this during COVID when I was giving myself bar 636 00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:05,120 most days just to keep me sane when we weren't allowed to be 637 00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:08,640 outside. I certainly it's a different way 638 00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:12,400 of working because you're setting the exercise and you're 639 00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:16,640 then demonstrating the exercise. So certainly for me, I was 640 00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:19,320 basically just having an internal conversation because 641 00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:22,120 I'm talking myself through the exercise, because I've set the 642 00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:25,720 exercise. Also I'm pressing play. 643 00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:27,360 Oh, this teacher is. Awful. 644 00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:32,480 Oh, it's me. But you also have to be 645 00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:37,920 responsible for not being lazy and it is hardest part it's. 646 00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:40,840 It is. Because also like with running, 647 00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:44,480 you can stop any time, right? So you could just say absolute 648 00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:46,880 I'm bored of this rendezvous exercise that I've just said 649 00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:48,880 I've made it to the. Bakery. 650 00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:51,360 I'll stop running now, yeah, but I'm. 651 00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:53,880 Exactly the same. Like if I, if I'm, you know, 652 00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:57,800 you, you do the right side 1st and I've done like fondue CUDA 653 00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:01,360 PA, Demi point, fondue extend, Demi point and I get to the 654 00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:02,800 second side. I'm like, oh, you know what? 655 00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:04,040 I went to Demi point on this side. 656 00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:08,280 Oh, even worse. You do the right side and then 657 00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:10,760 the novelty is already worn off by the second side. 658 00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:16,840 But in that case, actually do your plays on the right side, 659 00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:20,000 turn and do your tondos on the left, turn and do your glisses 660 00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:22,000 on the right turn and do your rondejean. 661 00:37:22,240 --> 00:37:24,920 I mean, that's another way to get through, and it's better 662 00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:26,400 than nothing. And it's better than nothing. 663 00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:28,280 Something is still better than nothing. 664 00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:29,440 Yeah. Yeah. 665 00:37:29,720 --> 00:37:33,040 Also, this might be might be radical, it might be 666 00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:35,680 controversial, but no one is there apart from you. 667 00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:38,760 Start on the left. How dare you. 668 00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:46,360 But I no one is there. Throw something in. 669 00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:48,240 If you were getting bored and you're trying to motivate 670 00:37:48,240 --> 00:37:51,200 yourself, do different stuff. Start with the other leg. 671 00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:54,320 But if we can go back to the point yet again. 672 00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:58,960 A. Simple exercise. 673 00:37:59,240 --> 00:38:01,560 If you can't think of something you're trying to keep in shape 674 00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:05,240 at home, a simple exercise is just as beneficial as a 675 00:38:05,240 --> 00:38:07,040 beautiful choreographic exercise. 676 00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:11,240 The beautiful choreographic exercise is lovely to do and has 677 00:38:11,240 --> 00:38:13,720 its benefits. They both have a million 678 00:38:13,720 --> 00:38:16,280 benefits. However, if you were just trying 679 00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:19,560 to keep in shape and you're not the best teacher or the best 680 00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:22,440 choreographor, whichever it is, 4 to the front 4 to the side is 681 00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:25,920 going to do exactly the same as some beautiful choreographic to 682 00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:30,800 exercise. I am such a stickler for facing 683 00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:35,880 the bar 88442211 Repeat on the left, then let go of the bar and 684 00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:37,440 do the same thing. It is. 685 00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:40,080 I'm sorry. Firstly to warm up, it's a great 686 00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:44,880 thing before a show. 8 lease is 8 lease is 44422211 Again, we're 687 00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:47,880 not retraining our body, we're not trying to get better. 688 00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:50,720 You're just trying to keep the body awake and keep it going and 689 00:38:50,720 --> 00:38:55,600 doing doing a simple 88442211 repeat on the left, simply a 690 00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:58,040 relevase. We all know how to do it. 691 00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:00,680 Just do it at home. You don't have to pay £100 692 00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:04,640 million to go to a pineapple glass to keep your toddus in 693 00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:06,880 shape. You can do it at home and also 694 00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:09,640 if you're. Not so choreographically 695 00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:12,440 inclined. Like if the idea of setting even 696 00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:19,200 a simple bar is demotivating for you, then get on YouTube and 697 00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:21,680 just find a class that you like the look of. 698 00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:26,640 There's plenty to choose from. And in some ways it's it's more 699 00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:29,320 similar to being in the studio because you're watching somebody 700 00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:32,440 else set an exercise. There's definitely ways around 701 00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:34,880 it. If you're not so into setting 702 00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:38,000 exercises, you and I as teachers, it's just second 703 00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:40,080 nature. So of course, and are currently 704 00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:41,960 talking about. Stuff that makes us unemployed. 705 00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:46,880 That's the home guys. Don't come to my class. 706 00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:50,520 However. Our classes are the best. 707 00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:53,720 No, but we're talking. About people who are 708 00:39:53,720 --> 00:39:56,400 professional and need to keep them, their bodies in shape, 709 00:39:56,440 --> 00:40:00,240 yeah, if you want to learn what to be honest, not even no joking 710 00:40:00,240 --> 00:40:02,800 aside, if you want to learn how to dance. 711 00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:05,200 If you are not a professional and know your body and know what 712 00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:08,960 you're doing, by no stretch of the imagination should be you be 713 00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:11,040 following something online and doing at home yourself. 714 00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:13,040 You should not have the safety blah blah blah. 715 00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:15,560 You should be going to a class and having a professional 716 00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:17,920 teaching you right now. I'm talking about someone who 717 00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:20,720 has graduated from a professional school or someone 718 00:40:20,720 --> 00:40:23,120 who is a professional dancer and they're trying to keep 719 00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:24,760 themselves in shape for a week or two. 720 00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:26,360 Yeah, because they're making their living. 721 00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:29,240 From performing professionally on stage, yeah, it's very, very 722 00:40:29,240 --> 00:40:34,200 different so. 88442211 Repeat on the left, then take your hands 723 00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:35,480 off the bar and do the same thing. 724 00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:38,520 You're good to go. She's really. 725 00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:43,760 Trying to sell that combination. Five and a six and a seven and 726 00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:44,360 an 8. Then what? 727 00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:52,480 But I, I, I do, I do literally. I'm again age and change of 728 00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:59,000 career is a factor, but nowadays to keep technique in shape I 729 00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:03,800 don't do more than a ballet bar because I'm trying to keep my 730 00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:07,160 ankles strong and my legs strong and the height of my legs and 731 00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:11,120 all that kind of stuff. As a musical theatre dancer, I 732 00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:15,720 do not need a full professional level ballet class every single 733 00:41:15,720 --> 00:41:17,240 day. When I worked in a ballet 734 00:41:17,240 --> 00:41:21,040 company, I needed that. Right now I do not need that and 735 00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:24,280 I do not see myself needing that in the future. 736 00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:27,600 What I need right now is a ballet bar to keep that 737 00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:32,720 technique maybe 3-4 times a week and then going to the gym and 738 00:41:32,720 --> 00:41:37,080 keeping myself in shape as in aerobically or strength wise and 739 00:41:37,240 --> 00:41:40,920 lots of that ballet bar stuff. The majority of time of the time 740 00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:44,400 nowadays I'm doing it myself. I'm either going to work and 741 00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:47,040 doing the ballet bar or I'm doing at home. 742 00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:51,160 I am a professional dancer working in musicals and I am 743 00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:55,400 doing my ballet bar at home. So it is, it's nothing to feel 744 00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:59,840 bad about or nothing to feel degraded or less than because, 745 00:41:59,880 --> 00:42:02,000 oh, I'm dancing at home. I don't have enough money to go 746 00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:03,760 to the studio. Do it at home. 747 00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:05,680 If that's what you need to do, do it at home. 748 00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:06,880 Like there's nothing wrong with it. 749 00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:10,720 Because lots of people do feel like a kind of stigma about 750 00:42:10,720 --> 00:42:13,600 doing class at home. And I, I mean, I personally 751 00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:16,240 don't feel any of that, but that's maybe the guy from 752 00:42:16,240 --> 00:42:19,200 Sandhurst within me. Like if I can save some money. 753 00:42:20,240 --> 00:42:22,960 No, but it's true. I mean, there are occasions when 754 00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:28,120 taking taking class is great because it's social, it gets you 755 00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:32,880 out of the home, it gets you to a place with other dancers so 756 00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:36,760 you can monitor, see what kind of the working level is in your 757 00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:39,480 area, etcetera. But it's all circumstantial. 758 00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:42,840 If taking class at home has massive benefits, but it's also 759 00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:46,560 equally important to be in a studio space and and you have to 760 00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:48,520 be responsible for your own actions. 761 00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:52,640 If you're working professionally and you have some time off, not 762 00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:57,000 taking a bar at home because it's not in a studio environment 763 00:42:57,000 --> 00:43:01,920 is not a good enough excuse not to keep active if you need those 764 00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:04,120 classical ballet technical exercises. 765 00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:08,200 So you just have to do it because it's just not worth how 766 00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:11,840 the body and the mind will feel when you get back on stage and 767 00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:15,960 you just feel horrendous. Because we tend to over indulge 768 00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:19,760 during the festive season, for example, which we are allowed 769 00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:22,280 to. Do everybody, and we must. 770 00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:24,560 And we, yeah. But. 771 00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:29,160 Alcohol dehydrates you, so you have to counterbalance the 772 00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:32,840 enjoyment factor beeping in business mode if you haven't 773 00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:35,240 finished your contract or your series of performances. 774 00:43:35,240 --> 00:43:37,920 So, and this is talking from yes, we. 775 00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:40,440 Sound like we're the goody 2 shoes of the industry or 776 00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:42,880 whatever, but this is coming from two people who have done 777 00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:45,440 it. We go out, we will go drinking 778 00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:48,880 on Christmas Eve, the 24th. We will then lay in our pajamas 779 00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:51,600 all on the 25th and whatever. And then on the 26th I will 780 00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:53,560 plank. I remember being told at school 781 00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:57,080 by Andre de Villiers and it is true to this day and will always 782 00:43:57,080 --> 00:44:00,240 be my mantra. Work hard, play hard. 783 00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:03,400 If you're going to play hard, you need to work hard also. 784 00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:06,920 It works the other way around. Work hard, don't play hard like 785 00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:09,280 you need life to help you in your performances. 786 00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:12,480 I know I'm spiraling now, but if you're going to, if you're going 787 00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:15,000 to play hard, you need to also work hard. 788 00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:18,200 So enjoy your holiday, enjoy everything, but remember your 789 00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:21,400 contract is not over. You have not retired, you have 790 00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:25,320 not stopped that Swan Lake, that Nutcracker, that Miss Saigon, 791 00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:29,200 that fame, that whatever it is you're performing on Monday is 792 00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:31,480 still going to happen on Monday. And you have to be able to do 793 00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:34,280 Monday's performance, but also Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, 794 00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:37,120 Friday. So look after your body now. 795 00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:38,440 I'm going to sound like Jerry Springer. 796 00:44:38,720 --> 00:44:43,280 Look after yourself and each other and you know. 797 00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:46,600 Every audience deserves the same standard, the same level of 798 00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:50,480 show, and if you're dialling it in because you've had an 799 00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:57,120 overactive festive season then you've probably been the wrong 800 00:44:57,120 --> 00:45:01,520 business because you've got to give that audience what they've 801 00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:04,360 paid for. And it's yes, sometimes we feel 802 00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:07,320 more tired than other days and performances. 803 00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:11,440 You may need to do, you know, 90% instead of 100% or if you're 804 00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:13,880 recovering from an injury or you have a little bit of a niggle in 805 00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:17,200 the neck or something, whatever it is, but nobody should be 806 00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:20,360 dialling it in it it. It is a privilege to do what we 807 00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:22,120 do. And I think what we're getting 808 00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:26,480 at is make the best of it. Don't be guilty about enjoying 809 00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:30,280 yourself over the holidays. But you have a job to do and 810 00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:32,800 it's a fantastic job. So just keep yourself in shape, 811 00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:36,920 keep in tip top condition, have that second Sherry and Ferrero 812 00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:40,920 Rocher and get bed by 10. Literally eat all. 813 00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:44,960 The Turkey eat all the sausages wrapped in bacon, have the red 814 00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:49,640 wine, have the box of celebrations and another mince 815 00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:53,480 pie and another mince. Pie, but then the next morning 816 00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:57,640 just bloody. Do the plank, Yeah, and 8844221 817 00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:03,880 but seriously, it does not like, like Denise said earlier, like, 818 00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:06,360 do it as soon as you wake up, then it's over with. 819 00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:10,720 And then you can enjoy your hoogly time with Auntie Tracy or 820 00:46:10,720 --> 00:46:12,440 whatever. You can drink your cherry on the 821 00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:14,880 porch with Uncle Jeffrey or whatever. 822 00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:17,240 But you've already done your planks and your press ups and 823 00:46:17,240 --> 00:46:19,640 your sit ups or whatever you need to do, and then you can 824 00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:21,200 enjoy the rest of the time. Just get it over with. 825 00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:25,120 It takes 10 minutes. Yeah, plank #plank. 826 00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:32,000 Well, my. Denise, we are taking a little 827 00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:34,000 break. I'm starting rehearsals on 828 00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:37,280 Monday, as I said, which is going to take all my brain power 829 00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:40,560 and my free time. However, I think that we should 830 00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:44,360 pop back on here randomly and throw out an episode Willy 831 00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:46,080 nilly. I think so too. 832 00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:49,160 That's a great idea. And our lovely listeners deserve 833 00:46:49,240 --> 00:46:53,640 some little surprises sprinkled in. 100% so as. 834 00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:56,360 Denise and I are heading into a busy period. 835 00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:59,360 We may not be able to give you an episode every single single 836 00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:03,560 week, but sporadically we will drop little presents in for you 837 00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:07,000 all now and then. Yes, so our darling. 838 00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:09,720 Listeners, make sure you're following us on Spotify or 839 00:47:09,720 --> 00:47:13,160 wherever you listen to our episodes so that you can be 840 00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:17,280 notified and updated when these random episodes drop. 841 00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:19,480 Denise, it is always a pleasure and of. 842 00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:21,760 Course we will talk to each other. 843 00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:25,160 Our listeners may not be aware, but we do talk to each other 844 00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:28,800 without it being recorded. Thank God, because we wouldn't 845 00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:31,160 be. Able to air those anyway. 846 00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:35,240 But thank you for listening to another episode of Drinks at the 847 00:47:35,240 --> 00:47:39,200 Bar Season 3. Unbelievable. 848 00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:43,200 We enjoy every single moment and we hope that you do too. 849 00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:46,320 So all that's left to say is wishing you a very Merry 850 00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:50,080 Christmas and festive season and we hope that you'll be hearing 851 00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:53,600 from us again very, very soon. Couldn't have said it better 852 00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:56,880 myself, thank. You all for listening keep your 853 00:47:57,000 --> 00:48:00,800 eyes peeled on social media and wherever you are listening to 854 00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:02,680 us. Thank you for joining us and 855 00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:06,560 listening to yet another episode and another season of drinks at 856 00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:09,560 the bar. And all that is left to say is 857 00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:13,720 Merry Christmas to all and to all a good night, Denise. 858 00:48:13,720 --> 00:48:16,440 Cheers, cheers, cheers, everybody have a. 859 00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:19,840 Fantastic festive season, Merry Christmas. 860 00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:21,320 Love you lots. Love you too. 861 00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:26,720 I love that. You were like, I couldn't have 862 00:48:26,720 --> 00:48:29,520 said it better myself. I was like, yeah, you wrote it. 863 00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:32,600 I didn't even. Think of that.