1 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:06,520 Oh great, she logs on and straight away here comes the 2 00:00:06,520 --> 00:00:11,000 fucking police car. It's casualty central. 3 00:00:13,160 --> 00:00:15,600 Anyway, let's crack on. OK, I don't know if I'm getting 4 00:00:15,600 --> 00:00:17,800 a little sick, but I'm going to drink the pain away. 5 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:27,560 That should be the tagline. Hello and and welcome to Drinks 6 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:30,320 at the Bar, a podcast where we breakthrough the 4th wall and 7 00:00:30,320 --> 00:00:32,960 discuss everything about dance and the theatre industry. 8 00:00:33,160 --> 00:00:36,000 My name is Paul James Rooney, a dancer, choreographer and dance 9 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:39,080 teacher based in Copenhagen and I am your host of Drinks at the 10 00:00:39,080 --> 00:00:42,080 Bar. Today I'm joined by not only my 11 00:00:42,080 --> 00:00:46,200 regular guest host, but by my best friend Damien Lee Sterk. 12 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:49,640 Hi everybody, I'm Damien Lee Sterk, director of the Dancers 13 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:53,000 Studio London, classical ballet teacher and actor with the Royal 14 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:55,360 Ballet. Here we will discuss everything 15 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:58,640 from hearing backstage stories, touring shenanigans, to deeper 16 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:02,160 issues like body image training, the reality of being a freelance 17 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:04,840 dancer, and much more. With guest professionals, we are 18 00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:07,400 here to share our knowledge, experience, and help you with 19 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:10,600 any questions or problems you may have about dance and 20 00:01:10,600 --> 00:01:14,040 navigating the dance world. Hello, Denise. 21 00:01:14,320 --> 00:01:16,720 Hi darling, how are you? I'm good, thank you. 22 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:19,200 I've been in rehearsals with James all afternoon. 23 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:22,160 So we've started already workshopping ideas and creating 24 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:26,240 things for My Fair Lady, which premieres in the very beginning 25 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:28,480 of February. So James and I are in the studio 26 00:01:28,480 --> 00:01:31,960 creating stuff before. So we're, you know, prepared and 27 00:01:31,960 --> 00:01:34,920 ready for when everybody starts rehearsals in December. 28 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:37,840 Yeah. Wonderful, and how lovely to be 29 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:40,720 in the studio with a friend. Yeah, it's really lovely. 30 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:43,600 No, it's not working, but it's nice to just have that support, 31 00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:44,400 isn't it? It's lovely. 32 00:01:44,400 --> 00:01:47,280 It's lovely and it's, you know, we, you know, you bounce off 33 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:49,400 each other like, you know, like I do with you and stuff. 34 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:53,400 So you can giggle and you can also hard work at the same time. 35 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:57,160 It's just a nice like we said before about studios need to be 36 00:01:57,160 --> 00:01:59,560 like a safe place. So it is that kind of feeling. 37 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:04,200 It's a really, you know, safe space where you can have a bad 38 00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:07,120 idea and it's completely fine. And we'll both giggle or yeah, 39 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:09,120 it's it's great. Really excited. 40 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:10,639 I'm really happy to be back in the studio. 41 00:02:10,919 --> 00:02:14,280 So yeah, how about you? Well, we had an amazing week at 42 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:18,280 the Limbury with the Ossipova performances like I, which I 43 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:22,360 will cherish for cherish for the rest of my life and also 44 00:02:22,360 --> 00:02:24,960 finished the last two weeks of tour with English National 45 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:27,120 Ballet. So everything's kind of all 46 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:30,280 wrapped up. I just have a couple of 47 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:34,560 workshops of my own with the dancers Studio London and and 48 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:38,000 then it's time to get into the festive spirit and relax. 49 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:40,440 Try not to eat too many quality St. 50 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:44,200 That will happen. Not the top is because my mum 51 00:02:44,200 --> 00:02:50,040 won't let me and just enjoy Christmas without feeling too 52 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:54,120 guilty about, you know, having some time off and and and 53 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:56,760 stuffing my face. Oh fantastic. 54 00:02:58,280 --> 00:03:01,600 The usual. Well cheers love. 55 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:06,280 I have myself a lovely Tanqueray London dry gin and tonic. 56 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:10,000 Oh lovely, I have a vodka tonic today. 57 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:12,560 Purely medicinal. Oh, what a lovely little. 58 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:17,000 I thought, I thought, why not? Why not? 59 00:03:17,160 --> 00:03:20,360 I have a late start tomorrow and this is purely just to, you 60 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:23,000 know, relieve the muscles. Well, cheers love. 61 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:26,120 I was swallowing. Cheers. 62 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:33,440 All right. RESPECT. 63 00:03:33,640 --> 00:03:38,280 Today we're talking about respect and we've talked about 64 00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:39,520 it. You know, it's come into 65 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:43,120 different subjects that we've spoken about throughout the, you 66 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:46,320 know, the season and on different episodes we've spoken 67 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:49,560 about, you know, especially back in the day, there wasn't much 68 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:53,600 respect from the bosses or the artistic team towards dancers 69 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:56,920 and all of that and respect had to be earned and all this kind 70 00:03:56,920 --> 00:03:58,960 of stuff. But I'd like to just, I think we 71 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:03,200 should just Crouch a subject that I mean, it's a little bit 72 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:05,320 delicate, but I think it needs to be spoken about. 73 00:04:05,320 --> 00:04:10,040 And I'm not pretending to be a good, you know, the best person 74 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:13,520 in the world. I am also, I have made mistakes 75 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:15,800 in my past. I am not a St. 76 00:04:16,079 --> 00:04:20,040 I'm not the Dalai Lama, but I'm trying to lead a better life. 77 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:22,960 I'm trying to be a better person. 78 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:26,560 And I thought that was something that we can discuss about 79 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:28,280 together. I think we should have a 80 00:04:28,280 --> 00:04:32,720 discussion about respect within our industry and with within our 81 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:36,480 bubble and where we work. I mean, the first thing I can 82 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:40,240 think of off the top of my head is respecting everybody who 83 00:04:40,240 --> 00:04:43,000 works in the building. I think it's very easy, and 84 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:45,440 we've briefly spoken about this before. 85 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:49,560 It's very easy for especially very young dancers, but also 86 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:54,880 some seasoned dancers as well to think they are the queen bee of 87 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:57,600 the building and they are the most important thing in the 88 00:04:57,600 --> 00:05:03,760 world and not have respect for, let's just say the cleaner who's 89 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:07,080 cleaning the corridor or cleaning the studio when their 90 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:09,160 said ballet dancer is walking through. 91 00:05:09,760 --> 00:05:14,760 I, we all deserve respect. And you know, I feel that I'm 92 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:17,120 very good at that, especially nowadays. 93 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:18,560 I'm not saying that I always have been. 94 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:20,920 It's something that we learn in life. 95 00:05:21,280 --> 00:05:24,080 I think I'm very good at walking in and saying hello to 96 00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:26,200 everybody, whether it is a dresser, whether it's a cleaner, 97 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:29,400 whether it is a stage manager, whether it is well the stage 98 00:05:29,400 --> 00:05:34,400 manager is my boyfriend, whether it is my dance partner, whatever 99 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:39,440 it is, I think a dance studio or a theatre or a dance company I 100 00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:44,520 think is already can already feel a little bit strange and 101 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:47,240 alien to someone working in that building that is not a dancer. 102 00:05:47,760 --> 00:05:52,120 So that said cleaner who might be new working in that building 103 00:05:52,840 --> 00:05:57,120 already, probably feels a little bit already feels a little bit 104 00:05:57,560 --> 00:06:00,000 not at home first. It's a new place of work. 105 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:03,520 But like being surrounded by dancers, walking around wearing 106 00:06:03,520 --> 00:06:06,640 next to nothing, being all touchy, feeling with each other 107 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:11,480 and having their bubble that they are in is very easy to feel 108 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:14,720 not less than or treated less than. 109 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:18,560 And I think it's very important that we are aware of how we are 110 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:21,960 treating people. Let's just talk about, for 111 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:26,480 example, cleaners, technicians, dresses, you know, non 112 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:29,920 performers at work. Yeah, 100%. 113 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:33,760 I mean, and it's interesting that you use the role of a 114 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:37,760 cleaner as an example because Rainn and I were in the Opera 115 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:41,920 House only a few days ago and we'd finished a studio rehearsal 116 00:06:42,280 --> 00:06:46,560 and we happened to pass one of the cleaners near the dressing 117 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:48,200 room. And so I just said, hey, how are 118 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:50,800 you? And Rain picked up on it and 119 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:53,960 mentioned, he said, oh, I'm so glad that you said hi to the 120 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:55,840 cleaner. We'd never met this cleaner 121 00:06:56,320 --> 00:06:59,400 before, but I was like, of course. 122 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:01,520 Like, why wouldn't I? You know, Because it's that 123 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:05,400 feeling that you get. Imagine how intimidating it is 124 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:07,640 for a non dancer like you've just mentioned. 125 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:12,400 Within an environment where we are, we are loud and we're 126 00:07:12,400 --> 00:07:16,240 comfortable within our own studios setting and we are very 127 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:21,960 tactile and in a group scenario that can be very intimidating. 128 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:28,880 And if your role is not dancing or part of the artistic team, it 129 00:07:28,880 --> 00:07:32,800 doesn't mean that your your role is any less than the dancer or 130 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:35,400 the director for that matter. We all have different roles to 131 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:40,840 play and they do require different levels of skill and 132 00:07:40,840 --> 00:07:46,120 responsibility. But I think as we get older we 133 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:49,920 appreciate just how much how powerful kindness is. 134 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:52,680 When you're younger, you tend to be a little bit more flippant 135 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:56,280 and self absorbed. We all go through that and 136 00:07:56,520 --> 00:07:59,000 certainly within a dance company, you've got so many 137 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:01,320 things to think about and your focus is on learning the 138 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:03,560 repertoire, putting on a fantastic show, making sure 139 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:06,000 everything is right. You don't necessarily have the 140 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:10,360 capacity, in all fairness, to be thinking about other people in 141 00:08:10,360 --> 00:08:14,000 your peripheral vision. So, you know, it's very easy to 142 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:18,560 walk past a cleaner or a technician or whoever's running 143 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:22,000 the cafe that morning and, and not even say good morning. 144 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:25,280 But I think, you know, with experience and certainly you and 145 00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:30,400 I have moved into more leading directing roles. 146 00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:31,840 Yeah, the other side of the table. 147 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:35,679 Yeah, you, I think you, you certainly learn to appreciate 148 00:08:36,280 --> 00:08:40,520 honing in those skills because the people, everybody, the 149 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:42,960 people around you, they all matter. 150 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:44,680 And it doesn't. And you've heard me say this a 151 00:08:44,680 --> 00:08:48,120 million times. It's not about pandering to the 152 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:53,440 hierarchy, it's respect. It all boils down to respect. 153 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:56,720 And actually for those people that have been within that 154 00:08:56,720 --> 00:08:59,360 environment longer, you do feel more comfortable. 155 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:01,920 We've all experienced it. It feels like a second home. 156 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:05,680 But I really feel like, you know, seniority brings 157 00:09:05,680 --> 00:09:09,520 responsibility rather than superiority. 158 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:12,200 And it's very easy to get carried away with yourself and 159 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:16,600 feel like you are superior because unfortunately, and 160 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:20,120 particularly in the classical ballet world, we're still very 161 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:23,800 much absorbed with this hierarchy of we'll treat you 162 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:27,160 better the higher you are. I think actually that translates 163 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:30,200 into most professions, but certainly within the ballet 164 00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:32,640 world and. I think so, yeah. 165 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:38,680 It's a a very slippery slope because we should all be treated 166 00:09:38,680 --> 00:09:43,520 with kindness and fairness. But I think that does take a 167 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:47,320 level of maturity and experience to arrive at that point where 168 00:09:47,920 --> 00:09:51,520 saying hello to the cleaner is just as important as saying 169 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:53,920 hello to the director if you happened to be passing them in 170 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:56,200 the corridor. Because why wouldn't you if 171 00:09:56,200 --> 00:09:58,960 you're a decent human being? And and that's it, you know, as 172 00:09:58,960 --> 00:10:02,640 soon as you might feel that you're the most important person 173 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:05,080 in that rehearsal room or in that ballet or in that 174 00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:08,480 production or whatever it is. But again, at the end of the 175 00:10:08,480 --> 00:10:11,440 day, it's just a ballet. It's just a production. 176 00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:14,120 Life is what we're actually doing. 177 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:18,120 And that cleaner coming to work, you find that cleaner is not 178 00:10:18,120 --> 00:10:23,200 doing a solo in your show or make is not in your production 179 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:25,320 or whatever it is. That cleaner is still a human 180 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:31,240 and that cleaner is still working with you and is still in 181 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:34,320 your life and deserves. Respect. 182 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:36,720 Yeah. It's a contribution, isn't it, 183 00:10:36,720 --> 00:10:39,680 to the bigger picture. And it what it takes 3 seconds 184 00:10:39,680 --> 00:10:41,000 to say good morning. Yeah. 185 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:43,320 And it really does make a difference. 186 00:10:43,720 --> 00:10:47,640 It really does make a difference and I love what you've mentioned 187 00:10:47,640 --> 00:10:50,440 in a previous episode. Which seems which sounds like a 188 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:53,680 Danish tradition. Where is it when you're leaving? 189 00:10:54,160 --> 00:10:55,280 Oh yeah. Takfri Afton. 190 00:10:55,360 --> 00:10:56,520 Yeah. Thank you for the evening. 191 00:10:56,520 --> 00:10:58,760 Yeah, I love that. I love that. 192 00:10:58,760 --> 00:11:00,440 I think it's really, really important. 193 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:02,240 And it's just common decency, isn't it? 194 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:06,120 I mean, but also we can be, we can be a little bit unaware of 195 00:11:06,760 --> 00:11:09,840 missing those moments, you know? And I, I believe I have 196 00:11:09,840 --> 00:11:12,680 mentioned this story in the past, but we're now on episode 197 00:11:12,680 --> 00:11:15,600 3042. So it's hard, it's hard to keep 198 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:19,400 track of all the episodes, but there was one occasion where I 199 00:11:19,400 --> 00:11:23,280 was assisting the make up, the head of make up on an on an 200 00:11:23,320 --> 00:11:25,160 international tour of a production. 201 00:11:25,480 --> 00:11:30,000 Now, some of the dancers within that production also knew me as 202 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:34,040 a performer and which is important to the setup of the 203 00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:35,720 story. And I remember we'd arrived 204 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:39,080 early because we were setting up the make up room and making sure 205 00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:42,640 everything was ready. And a dancer walked in and I was 206 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:44,560 one of the first people that she saw. 207 00:11:44,920 --> 00:11:47,520 And the first thing came that came out of her mouth wasn't, 208 00:11:47,520 --> 00:11:50,200 oh, hi, morning. How you know, how was breakfast 209 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:53,840 all, you know, whatever it was, there's no bin in my dressing 210 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:56,600 room. And it sent me over the edge. 211 00:11:57,360 --> 00:12:00,560 It sent me over the edge because I was, I was thinking why is she 212 00:12:00,560 --> 00:12:02,920 asking me? Like, I'm not even the person 213 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:06,120 that would sort that out for you. 214 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:09,520 So what? Because she was so oblivious to 215 00:12:09,520 --> 00:12:12,560 kind of, you know, the roles that we all play within that 216 00:12:12,560 --> 00:12:16,880 environment, that because I was a non dancer in that moment, it 217 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:21,080 didn't matter what I'm a person. And I did, I learnt, you know, a 218 00:12:21,080 --> 00:12:24,440 big lesson in that moment. Be of awareness because it's 219 00:12:24,520 --> 00:12:26,880 very easily done. And I don't think, you know, she 220 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:31,120 meant anything by it really. And I don't believe, I like to 221 00:12:31,120 --> 00:12:34,000 believe it wasn't an, a personal attack, you know, to say, well, 222 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:35,480 you're not dancing in this production. 223 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:37,000 You're, you're part of the other side. 224 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:39,160 But I don't think it was not calculated at all. 225 00:12:39,160 --> 00:12:43,440 But it did make me realise that we have to be very careful with 226 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:46,320 how we prevent ourselves within that industry because we're all 227 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:50,000 contributing. But also the departments, 228 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:52,400 they're very strict in what they are responsible for. 229 00:12:52,400 --> 00:12:55,040 There's no overflow. And I think if you're gracious, 230 00:12:55,040 --> 00:12:57,320 you would help. You know, I think I said 231 00:12:57,320 --> 00:13:01,440 something like, I have no idea, it's my first day as it is 232 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:04,440 yours, but maybe I can ask so and so to help. 233 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:06,560 Or why don't you go and ask the company manager? 234 00:13:06,680 --> 00:13:08,240 You know why? Don't you bugger off. 235 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:13,760 Why don't you take this paper cup and fill your boots? 236 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:18,280 But it it's, it's awareness. And I think when you see in 237 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:22,920 someone else, it's a great thing to mirror that and ask yourself, 238 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:24,600 oh gosh, have I been guilty of that? 239 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:26,240 Because I'm pretty certain we all have. 240 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:28,040 Exactly. And that's, I mean, you know, 241 00:13:28,040 --> 00:13:30,600 I'm not sitting here on my high horse saying that I've never 242 00:13:30,600 --> 00:13:34,400 been disrespectful or I've never, you know, whatever 243 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:37,120 exactly what you said. It is something that comes with 244 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:38,800 age and something that comes with maturity. 245 00:13:38,800 --> 00:13:41,960 It really does. And that's why, you know, one of 246 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:44,240 the reasons why I want to discuss it on the podcast is to 247 00:13:44,600 --> 00:13:47,560 hopefully instill instill something that we've learned 248 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:51,320 later in life to people that are just graduating so you don't 249 00:13:51,320 --> 00:13:53,880 make the same mistakes that I did or, you know, whatever. 250 00:13:54,440 --> 00:13:58,480 And for me saying saying hello to keep on saying cleaner, but 251 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:02,520 whoever saying hello to someone who works in the building that I 252 00:14:02,520 --> 00:14:05,320 don't usually see. And then someone saying hello 253 00:14:05,320 --> 00:14:08,440 back and that little smile that you get really does have a 254 00:14:08,440 --> 00:14:10,800 chemical reaction in your body and make you feel better. 255 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:13,880 Like not saying that it's a selfless good deed because 256 00:14:13,880 --> 00:14:16,120 you're doing it to make yourself feel better for someone smiling 257 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:17,920 at you. But like it is, you know, we're 258 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:22,280 humans, we we love interaction with people and just having 259 00:14:22,280 --> 00:14:26,240 that, you know, positive start to a day, you giving something 260 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:29,200 out positive to the world and them giving something positive 261 00:14:29,200 --> 00:14:33,520 back is just great for your day and your well-being. 262 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:37,920 And it costs nothing, right? You know, I mean, good manners. 263 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:41,360 It costs absolutely nothing. And I think if you can make 264 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:46,000 somebody feel recognized, they're worth, you know, for the 265 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:50,760 job that they're facilitating in three seconds through a sincere 266 00:14:50,760 --> 00:14:53,440 morning or good afternoon or, you know, how are you? 267 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:56,360 I think it really is. It's priceless. 268 00:14:56,360 --> 00:15:00,240 And I would hope that I would receive the same, you know, and 269 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:03,800 am I, whether you're a stranger or I've seen you for the 10th 270 00:15:03,800 --> 00:15:06,800 time that week, it's still. Every day of my life for the 271 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:11,520 past 10 years. At breakfast, in the dressing 272 00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:14,240 room, on stage in the green room. 273 00:15:14,560 --> 00:15:22,080 Hotel bar, breakfast club. Another club, another club, but 274 00:15:22,080 --> 00:15:25,200 I think you know, if you're, if you're the type of person you 275 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:27,360 know, believe it or not, I am not. 276 00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:31,320 You might laugh at this, but I'm not a confrontational person. 277 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:32,720 Same. I'm not either. 278 00:15:32,960 --> 00:15:34,920 Only when pressed. No, I don't. 279 00:15:35,040 --> 00:15:37,120 I don't. I don't search for that 280 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:39,520 interaction. Oh, I hate conflict. 281 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:42,600 Child of divorce here cannot. I don't like it, I don't enjoy 282 00:15:42,600 --> 00:15:44,960 it and much rather things run smoothly. 283 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:48,280 But sometimes, you know, in certain cases you do need to be 284 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:50,440 able to voice how you're feeling. 285 00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:54,160 So it can be misconstrued if you're if you're, if you feel 286 00:15:54,160 --> 00:15:56,120 like you're the type of person that doesn't even feel 287 00:15:56,120 --> 00:15:58,960 comfortable saying hello to a complete stranger or the cleaner 288 00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:02,520 or the persons running the cafe or the person who you see at 289 00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:06,760 staged or five to seven times a week because you're not 290 00:16:06,760 --> 00:16:08,640 comfortable with that interaction. 291 00:16:08,920 --> 00:16:13,960 I think that's OK. But my advice would be try and 292 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:18,880 hone those skills where you can open yourself up to at least 293 00:16:18,880 --> 00:16:23,120 engage and make eye contact with the people around you. 294 00:16:24,040 --> 00:16:27,280 But if you're the type of person that's selectively, you know, if 295 00:16:27,280 --> 00:16:29,040 you're that, if you find that you're the type of person that 296 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:32,120 gets a kick out of, you know, living in that hierarchical 297 00:16:32,120 --> 00:16:34,880 world, then you need to have a conversation with yourself. 298 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:38,560 Because actually making other people feel uncomfortable or 299 00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:44,520 less than is all about the person and the person's 300 00:16:44,520 --> 00:16:47,000 behaviour and not about the recipient of that, of that 301 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:49,200 behaviour. So I think, you know, it's good 302 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:52,120 to get a grasp of how you're presenting yourself within the 303 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:55,440 workplace, but it's also, it's also great to have an 304 00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:59,000 understanding of how you're presenting yourself in life. 305 00:16:59,800 --> 00:17:02,000 And we've spoken about this, you know, before. 306 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:03,800 Yes. That takes growth. 307 00:17:04,040 --> 00:17:07,319 And I'm pretty certain that when I was a young dancer, I was so 308 00:17:07,880 --> 00:17:11,319 involved in my life as a dancer that I probably didn't make eye 309 00:17:11,319 --> 00:17:16,800 contact with the person serving me in the cafe or signing in a 310 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:20,720 stage door. But I think awareness and 311 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:27,480 culpability and growth is what we're trying to instill with our 312 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:29,920 with our audiences. Yeah, Nolessness. 313 00:17:32,600 --> 00:17:36,920 Something that I've experienced as a teacher and lots of the 314 00:17:36,920 --> 00:17:41,200 time I think is not done through trying to be rude, but kind of 315 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:43,400 jumping back to what we just spoke about. 316 00:17:43,400 --> 00:17:46,560 Like actions do matter and sometimes you might not be doing 317 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:49,520 something on purpose. You might be in your own world, 318 00:17:49,520 --> 00:17:52,760 but how you come across to people really makes a 319 00:17:52,760 --> 00:17:54,680 difference. And for me, for example, it 320 00:17:54,680 --> 00:17:57,320 happened the other day. I was teaching and it was a 321 00:17:57,320 --> 00:18:01,480 short routine we did across the floor and I said every group 322 00:18:01,480 --> 00:18:04,960 does it twice, right? So we do it twice and then the 323 00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:07,360 next group starts and the next group starts and so on. 324 00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:11,360 And it happened a couple of times in different groups. 325 00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:15,560 One of the dancers fucked up or fell off the pirouette or 326 00:18:15,560 --> 00:18:19,360 whatever it was, and then just kind of walked across the rooms 327 00:18:19,360 --> 00:18:23,080 like shoulders forward a bit. I know it's not a visual medium. 328 00:18:23,080 --> 00:18:27,040 This is a podcast, kind of like teenager E, like, you know, that 329 00:18:27,040 --> 00:18:29,320 kind of slumped over kind of thing. 330 00:18:29,880 --> 00:18:32,200 And I let everybody go across the room and then I stopped the 331 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:36,520 music and I was like, guys, you need to realize that your body 332 00:18:36,520 --> 00:18:40,160 language is really rude towards me. 333 00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:44,560 I know you're, you're, I'm guessing it's nothing towards 334 00:18:44,560 --> 00:18:46,760 me. I'm because I'm an amazing 335 00:18:46,760 --> 00:18:49,200 teacher. No, I'm, I'm guessing it's not 336 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:51,000 me. I'm guessing you're frustrated 337 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:53,640 with yourself that you made a mistake or you're frustrated 338 00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:56,920 that you fell over or you're frustrated that you couldn't 339 00:18:56,920 --> 00:18:58,640 pick up the exercise, whatever it is. 340 00:18:59,120 --> 00:19:04,760 But when I say we do, each group does it twice and you choose not 341 00:19:04,760 --> 00:19:07,960 to do it twice and you choose to just walk across the studio 342 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:12,080 slumped over like a kind of angry teenager that kind of 343 00:19:12,080 --> 00:19:15,080 says, excuse my language, fuck off to the teacher. 344 00:19:15,080 --> 00:19:17,040 You know what I mean? It really does feel like you're 345 00:19:17,040 --> 00:19:18,920 walking across the room and sticking your middle finger up 346 00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:23,720 at me like because you're on purpose, choosing not to do what 347 00:19:23,720 --> 00:19:26,760 I said. And and then obviously I, you 348 00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:29,080 know, I said this to the class and they straight to like, Oh, 349 00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:30,080 no, it's not what I meant to say. 350 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:33,680 And I give you the benefit of the doubt and I already know 351 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:37,960 that that's not what you meant, but that's what comes across. 352 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:42,520 So my point being is that you have to be really aware of your 353 00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:45,600 actions and your how you're coming across because it can be 354 00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:49,000 very easily misconstrued. You can't live in your little 355 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:52,800 world and only be thinking about what you're doing because what 356 00:19:52,800 --> 00:19:56,160 you're portraying and what you're conveying with your body 357 00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:59,240 language might be coming across very, very, very rude. 358 00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:02,760 And in that situation, it was a proper, it was a proper time 359 00:20:02,760 --> 00:20:06,200 that I could actually, you know, use an example in real time and 360 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:09,560 use it as a, as a learning tool and be like, guys right here. 361 00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:13,840 This is this is not good. It's rude to me. 362 00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:15,720 It's rude to your fellow dancers. 363 00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:19,400 Be aware of how you're you're acting in a classroom. 364 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:21,280 Yeah, it's interesting, isn't it? 365 00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:25,480 You know, the way we may present ourself in a class because I can 366 00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:29,840 imagine, you know, and as a professional dancer, you're so 367 00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:33,240 wrapped up in doing the exercise, you're just focusing 368 00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:35,040 on yourself. And quite rightly so. 369 00:20:35,520 --> 00:20:38,240 If you're a considerate dancer, you'd also be checking your 370 00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:40,640 peripheral vision and not getting in anybody's way. 371 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:45,640 But but in that moment, as a dancer in a class, the 372 00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:48,360 responsibility is to get through the exercise right. 373 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:53,640 They the dancer doesn't even have time to consider why you've 374 00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:56,320 asked for each group to go twice along the room. 375 00:20:56,320 --> 00:20:58,920 It's not just for, you know, shits and giggles. 376 00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:02,520 It's so they get 2 attempts at doing the exercise because you. 377 00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:03,840 Didn't make the exercise long enough. 378 00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:06,400 OK, I want to say this twice because. 379 00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:09,040 Oh, I thought it was longer than it was. 380 00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:09,880 Do it twice. Oh my God. 381 00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:13,800 Oh my God. I made it four times and then 382 00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:15,320 face the back wall and do it without the mirrors. 383 00:21:16,120 --> 00:21:19,480 No, you know they don't have the capacity to. 384 00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:21,240 Well, they also can't read your mind. 385 00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:23,800 They don't understand why you've asked to see it twice. 386 00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:28,400 So again, it's not they're not attacking you or disrespecting 387 00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:30,360 you rather because they've only done it once. 388 00:21:30,360 --> 00:21:33,680 But the way they presented themselves has kind of cocked up 389 00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:37,440 your flow of the reason why I've asked for it twice is so you can 390 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:41,320 have two attempts at it, get it into your bodies before we go to 391 00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:43,920 the other side. And it again. 392 00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:48,160 It all boils down to awareness and and and etiquette. 393 00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:54,160 But something so simple to read as I'm frustrated. 394 00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:57,400 Therefore I can't even consider doing it a second time. 395 00:21:57,680 --> 00:22:02,880 It's just habit and practice and reshuffling how we react to 396 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:05,560 those situations. So the next time, hopefully 397 00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:08,760 after that conversation that you had with your group of dancers, 398 00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:12,120 that person may think, oh, I'm not going to I'm, I am going to 399 00:22:12,120 --> 00:22:14,320 do it twice. I remember that conversation. 400 00:22:14,360 --> 00:22:17,360 I'm going to have another attempt because hopefully the 401 00:22:17,360 --> 00:22:21,040 second attempt will be productive and they'll be like, 402 00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:23,880 Oh my God, and feel much better about themselves rather than 403 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:25,320 quitting. They can't. 404 00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:28,840 And also as I start to spiral, you know, they can't. 405 00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:32,360 They also you can't quit on stage. 406 00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:34,920 You can't just walk off if something goes wrong. 407 00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:37,280 So why would you do it in a studio scenario? 408 00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:39,280 So it's just about, you know, awareness. 409 00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:42,320 Yeah, because that's also what we're teaching in the in the 410 00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:44,360 classroom as well. And I say it many times in the 411 00:22:44,360 --> 00:22:47,840 classroom, you know, you have these teachers, back in the day, 412 00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:52,120 you had these teachers who would just go finish, finish, finish. 413 00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:55,080 And you they'd never say why. They'll just say finish, you 414 00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:58,040 know, OK, Danish, Swedish, Icelandic. 415 00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:03,240 No, they'll be like screaming, like hold the ending of the 416 00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:05,720 pirouette or whatever it is. Don't just walk across the room. 417 00:23:06,120 --> 00:23:08,720 And I, I know what the reason is. 418 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:13,760 But I, it's 2025. I tell my students why, You 419 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:17,240 know, I'm saying you have to make that double pirouette work 420 00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:19,440 because if there's an audience watching this, you would have to 421 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:21,560 make that work. You wouldn't, like you just 422 00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:25,440 said, walk off during a show. You have to make the dance, the 423 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:27,760 pirouette, the the routine, whatever is, you have to make it 424 00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:29,840 work. We're spiralling. 425 00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:33,360 Yeah, we're spiralling. We've now gone into the realm of 426 00:23:33,360 --> 00:23:37,040 teaching, but if we if we're able, if we're able to bring it 427 00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:41,640 back, we are discussing respect. And so we're just we just happen 428 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:45,600 to be kind of sidebarring into a category of respect within the 429 00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:49,600 studio between the the student and the teacher. 430 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:54,640 But it still boils, excuse me, still boils down to to respect 431 00:23:55,120 --> 00:23:57,680 and awareness. And this isn't the first time 432 00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:03,200 I've said awareness 300 times in an but it's relevant. 433 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:04,560 So you. Know it's relevant. 434 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:10,760 According to us. No, but you know, body language 435 00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:13,600 and everything really really does matter. 436 00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:17,480 And it matters also at work, you know, it's not just you know, 437 00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:20,120 between a, a teacher and A and a student. 438 00:24:20,120 --> 00:24:22,360 It also is towards your colleagues. 439 00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:28,320 Like how you are coming across really can change somebody's day 440 00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:32,720 or experience of, you know, the, the working hours or whatever it 441 00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:38,560 may be. So as we just mentioned, every 442 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:43,240 job within that company, that production is important, every 443 00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:46,760 company is important, every size production is important. 444 00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:51,560 I hope things are different nowadays, but I know way back 445 00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:56,520 when some of the larger schools that are maybe feeder schools 446 00:24:56,520 --> 00:25:02,200 into specific companies train their students to have a job. 447 00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:06,840 Their aim is to have a job in that specific company and that 448 00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:08,320 is great. That is, you know, that is why 449 00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:10,360 that school is there. You know, it's given funding by 450 00:25:10,360 --> 00:25:12,760 the government to create dancers for a said company. 451 00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:21,960 However, it does instill in, it does instill a, a feeling in 452 00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:26,560 some of these students or dancers that if I'm not in that 453 00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:31,280 company, other companies are less than your smaller touring 454 00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:34,800 companies, your Vienna Festival ballets, your Tivoli. 455 00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:36,760 What I've worked out, I've experienced it myself from 456 00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:40,200 dancers in bigger companies that, oh, you're not in. 457 00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:44,600 Insert big company name here. I am less than I am. 458 00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:49,080 Yeah, it's a nothing job. It's not a proper dance company. 459 00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:52,640 And I'm sure I had that feeling when I was at ballet school and 460 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:55,520 had that slight feeling towards smaller companies. 461 00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:57,480 I thought, oh, I want to be in this. 462 00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:03,560 Everything else is crap, but I will say that I feel very lucky 463 00:26:04,360 --> 00:26:08,680 to have learned straight away that this is the wrong mindset 464 00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:13,800 because my best friend became a dancer at Disneyland Paris and 465 00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:18,640 straight away I learnt, you know, hands on that that's just 466 00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:22,120 as hard a job, just as good a just as hard a job to try and 467 00:26:22,120 --> 00:26:25,360 get just, you know, any job in this industry is hard to get. 468 00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:29,640 So you know what I mean? Every single job is deserves 469 00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:33,640 respect, and just because you're in big ballet company, that 470 00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:37,040 person in Disneyland Paris being a dancer is not less than you, 471 00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:38,360 and that job is not less than you. 472 00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:42,000 Also, that person working at Disneyland Paris might not even 473 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:43,760 want to be in a big ballet company. 474 00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:46,880 Just because you were in that big ballet company and you 475 00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:51,040 wanted to be there doesn't mean that everybody else does, and 476 00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:54,120 also doesn't mean that their job or their small company or their 477 00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:59,920 whatever do you want to describe that job is less than yours just 478 00:26:59,920 --> 00:27:01,800 because it's not a big prestigious name. 479 00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:06,640 And I think, I mean I feel that that is learnt behaviour and 480 00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:10,320 that that's instilled in US during our training through 481 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:15,240 generations within the industry. And what I mean by that is we're 482 00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:19,000 conditioned to think if you don't make it into the top 483 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:23,720 company, then you have a lesser worth, even though you're still 484 00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:27,520 dancing because that's just the way we've been conditioned. 485 00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:33,880 And I think the, the point that you're making or certainly that 486 00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:38,920 I'm, I'm taking from what you've just said is that every dancer 487 00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:43,120 matters. And it shouldn't matter which 488 00:27:43,120 --> 00:27:47,280 company you're with or which production or whether it's a 489 00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:51,040 touring show, a resident company, a huge national company 490 00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:55,760 or a very intimate 6 dancer 3 performance scenario. 491 00:27:56,680 --> 00:28:01,400 But that also has to come from our from our own mental health 492 00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:07,360 and self respect, I think. And again, as you get older, 493 00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:11,040 hopefully you've learnt those life lessons where you do learn 494 00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:14,920 to respect your worth. And I think when you respect 495 00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:17,040 yourself, it doesn't, it doesn't. 496 00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:19,920 And it shouldn't matter how other people perceive you. 497 00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:23,960 Now that's easier said than done, you know, certainly when I 498 00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:28,320 left my performing career really without an unofficial 499 00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:31,320 retirement, I never said I'm never dancing again. 500 00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:37,280 I just had this transition of, well, really performing into and 501 00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:41,400 teaching and then predominantly teaching, stepping back onto the 502 00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:45,000 stage from time to time, but then into acting. 503 00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:48,440 And when I entered that world of ballet, and this is very 504 00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:54,040 specific to ballet acting, I returned to a world that was so 505 00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:57,920 familiar to me but completely different at the same time. 506 00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:03,280 And it took me, it took me a long time to settle with myself 507 00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:07,480 that it was OK, Like I'm OK, It's OK to be a part of this 508 00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:12,240 world but not dancing. But in the beginning, I felt 509 00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:14,760 guilt. And I suppose I felt guilt 510 00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:18,520 because I was worried that people wouldn't respect me for 511 00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:22,400 acting in a ballet company when I should have been dancing. 512 00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:27,320 But that's on me because my interpretation was, well, if 513 00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:29,480 you're not dancing in a ballet company, then is it? 514 00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:31,440 You know what? What are you doing? 515 00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:32,400 You know? Yeah. 516 00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:35,440 And I had to retrain my brain to go hang on a second. 517 00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:37,640 We all contribute to this performance. 518 00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:41,640 And now I can separate. And also I remind myself that I 519 00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:43,760 danced professionally for 25 years. 520 00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:47,880 It's like it's OK, you know? And I, I now perceive this as a 521 00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:51,080 reward, as a treat. You know, I get to be on stage 522 00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:53,200 surrounded by phenomenal dancers. 523 00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:57,440 I'm still contributing in, in this way, but I'm not dancing. 524 00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:00,200 But that's OK. But it took me a long time. 525 00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:04,920 I really had a hard time finding myself, you know, standing on 526 00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:07,680 stage, not dancing, thinking, Oh my God, all these people are 527 00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:10,000 going to be thinking, well, he's classically trained, so why is 528 00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:12,960 he not dancing? But that, that was entirely on 529 00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:15,400 me. That's not to say that there are 530 00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:20,200 people that had those thoughts, but that's, again, that's 531 00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:23,120 through their understanding or lack of, you know, lack of 532 00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:25,800 maturity and understanding, you know, the evolution of the 533 00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:27,360 dancer. You can't dance forever. 534 00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:37,120 But I certainly had to work on myself to to find the balance of 535 00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:40,360 respect for myself. But that was from what was 536 00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:43,200 instilled in me as a dancer, that if you're not aiming for 537 00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:46,960 the best and at the very, very top, then what's your worth? 538 00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:50,000 And also, I mean, you saying that you had to find it within 539 00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:52,240 yourself because you thought people would be looking at you 540 00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:56,520 and thinking that way, probably because you, well, you know, 541 00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:59,120 there's not specific people I'm talking about, but you know that 542 00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:02,320 dancers in the industry and the scores do teach you to think 543 00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:04,720 like that. You do you. 544 00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:07,080 And again, like we said about, you know, walking through the 545 00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:09,240 pseudo and not saying hello to the cleaner because you're so 546 00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:12,680 focused on yourself. Like you also know that those 547 00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:15,520 dancers are thinking about themselves and think about their 548 00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:20,200 performance and all of that. And there is that fine line of 549 00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:23,960 working on yourself and being professional and concentrating 550 00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:27,440 so much on what you're doing that it becomes you are the most 551 00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:31,680 important person in the room and it's not your job is important 552 00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:35,880 and what you are giving is important, but it's not more 553 00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:41,200 important than somebody else. And it's that balancing act of 554 00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:47,240 making it important for you, but it's not more important than 555 00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:50,400 somebody else. Yes, yeah, you've hit the nail 556 00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:53,920 on the head there. Because the reality is that, you 557 00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:57,280 know, as we've, we've mentioned, when, when you're working on a 558 00:31:57,280 --> 00:31:59,480 production, you don't really have the capacity to think about 559 00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:03,120 anything else. So the reality is, you know, the 560 00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:06,080 people in that room that I was so concerned were looking at me 561 00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:08,240 thinking, Oh my God, like, what is he doing? 562 00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:11,000 He's just walking around acting. He's not even dancing. 563 00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:13,760 They, they weren't. The reality is they won't even. 564 00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:16,640 They don't have the capacity to even think about me because 565 00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:19,480 they're so busy and consumed by what they're having to do. 566 00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:24,080 However, those dancers not saying hello to you gives you, I 567 00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:27,520 mean, if that happened, give that gives you also an 568 00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:32,680 impression that dancer being so self absorbed or so concentrated 569 00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:36,520 on what they're doing that it takes away their ability to even 570 00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:39,200 say hello to the actor who's also in the scene with them. 571 00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:41,960 That's when it's dangerous and that's when it's rude. 572 00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:44,680 And that's when that's what we need to change. 573 00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:47,120 Yes, yes. Exactly. 574 00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:50,400 That because it's exactly what we've been saying throughout 575 00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:54,960 every single episode, is that it should be important to you, 576 00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:57,680 dancing should be important to you, and you should really work 577 00:32:57,680 --> 00:32:58,960 hard. And it should be. 578 00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:04,400 Yeah, it should be important, but it shouldn't consume. 579 00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:08,800 No, and I think just one other point I'd like to make is that, 580 00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:13,120 you know, more recently working with a different company in in 581 00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:15,840 the same capacity, but in unfamiliar territory. 582 00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:22,920 Again, for me, I was a little bit concerned that the senior 583 00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:29,440 management didn't even acknowledge the actors within 584 00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:33,000 the studio. And I was a little because to me 585 00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:36,480 just, and again, it's, it's, it's hard to balance because at 586 00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:39,920 the same time I'm thinking, listen, they've got so many 587 00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:42,040 things that they need to accomplish within a short amount 588 00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:43,640 of time. They don't have the capacity to 589 00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:46,240 think about every single person. Of course not. 590 00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:51,240 But I would imagine that if there are new people in your 591 00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:57,280 usual environment, you might consider at least saying hello 592 00:33:57,280 --> 00:34:03,560 and welcome and welcome. And for me, I just felt like I 593 00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:05,000 can get on with it. I know what to do. 594 00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:06,720 I've been in this business a long time. 595 00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:10,760 I'm going to make your life or lives easier by just getting on 596 00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:14,639 with what I know I need to do. But if only one out of five of 597 00:34:14,639 --> 00:34:19,960 you has said hello and welcome, it tells me. 598 00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:22,560 It almost tells me everything I need to know about that person's 599 00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:27,960 character. I think without going down a 600 00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:33,480 rabbit hole of old school people, there is there is that 601 00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:38,800 feeling sometimes that the old school people have probably been 602 00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:43,719 told at some point in the modern day that you need to start being 603 00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:46,440 more friendly, more approachable, more whatever. 604 00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:50,360 And that thought is a or then I have to do a big thing about it. 605 00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:55,080 No simple thing right there. We wouldn't have to take hours 606 00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:57,040 out of our day to be like, this is Damien. 607 00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:58,960 Damien, where are you from? Say hello to everybody. 608 00:34:59,240 --> 00:35:02,000 Literally you standing in the studio and being like, hey 609 00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:04,840 everyone, just before we start, we've got 6 new actors joining 610 00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:06,480 us today. Welcome guys. 611 00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:09,760 That's it. That's all, that's all you need 612 00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:13,160 to do and it makes a difference. Just like we saying, you know, 613 00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:15,000 it's not even high to the cleaner sometimes. 614 00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:18,720 It's just a smile, like, hey, guys, welcome. 615 00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:21,120 If you need any help, just let us know across the studio. 616 00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:22,720 That's it. That's all you need to do. 617 00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:24,880 It's just welcoming. It's just warming. 618 00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:29,800 It's just, yeah, just respect. Yeah, and I think we know we're 619 00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:32,400 all guilty of it. Like we've mentioned, no matter, 620 00:35:32,720 --> 00:35:36,680 no matter what role you're playing, either on stage or on 621 00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:41,000 the other side of the stage, we can all be kind of locked in and 622 00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:44,240 not be aware of how our behaviour makes other people 623 00:35:44,240 --> 00:35:45,960 feel. And I think that, you know, the 624 00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:49,040 take away is just open your eyes a little bit within the 625 00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:53,480 environment around you and and let's all just get along 626 00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:56,720 because, you know, being in a company or a part of a 627 00:35:56,720 --> 00:35:59,240 production is, is a collaboration. 628 00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:03,640 And again, I've said a million times, it's not about that. 629 00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:06,840 I don't respect you more because you have a senior role. 630 00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:10,280 I respect you if you can show the same amount of respect to 631 00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:13,160 every single person that you that you meet. 632 00:36:13,720 --> 00:36:17,560 And that does take some life lessons and some and some time 633 00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:18,840 in the biz. It does. 634 00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:22,160 Yes it does. I need to lay off the vodka 635 00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:29,080 because it's like a truth serum. One thing I'll just say here as 636 00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:33,160 well, you know, jumping on the body language train and how 637 00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:36,600 others perceive you. I have an example that happened 638 00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:41,040 and I was in a production where we were trying out the floor for 639 00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:44,840 a production and we all came down from our rehearsal to get 640 00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:50,080 on stage to try the floor. And one of the dancers stood 641 00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:52,840 there and said it's not going to work. 642 00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:57,160 It's too slippery and all of us are trying stuff out. 643 00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:01,400 And I went over and I said, would you like to try such and 644 00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:03,520 such a section? Because I danced with you. 645 00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:06,880 Let's try out. And they said I was down here 646 00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:08,720 earlier. I've tried it already. 647 00:37:08,720 --> 00:37:11,840 It's not not going to work. And I took them aside and I 648 00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:15,040 said, I know what you mean. And you came down here earlier. 649 00:37:15,240 --> 00:37:18,400 But it's showing. It's your, your body language 650 00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:21,520 and your actions. You've got to show firstly the 651 00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:25,240 other dancers, but you've also got to show the stage manager, 652 00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:28,680 the production leader, the choreographer that you were 653 00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:32,400 trying. The floor you, it's again, it's 654 00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:36,320 you standing there with your hands on your hips saying it's 655 00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:39,560 not going to work is rude and disrespectful to everybody. 656 00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:43,800 We all come down here to try this floor to get the best, you 657 00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:46,680 know, to solve the problem. Whether you've tried it or not 658 00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:50,360 before is not the point because what you're doing right now is 659 00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:55,560 coming across disrespectful. So you also have to, you know, 660 00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:58,400 in that situation, it's play the game, try the floor again. 661 00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:00,760 Try the floor again. Exactly. 662 00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:02,560 Play the and play with. No. 663 00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:06,480 There are certain rules and regulations and and and 664 00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:09,880 behavioural patterns. Like you said, you need to be 665 00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:12,680 able to show the department that's taking care of the floor. 666 00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:16,640 It's just you, just it's, it's communication, isn't it 667 00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:20,240 communication also how you deliver that communication with 668 00:38:20,240 --> 00:38:22,440 respect, please. Exactly. 669 00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:25,120 You know, all of us know this floor is bad. 670 00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:29,880 All of us, you know, but we're showing that we're trying out of 671 00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:31,800 respect. They have, they have done 672 00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:36,680 something to the floor. It is now up to for you is out 673 00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:40,520 now your job to respect their work and see if they have solved 674 00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:42,240 the problem. Yeah, you know what I mean? 675 00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:44,320 Yeah. You know, and I think we are in 676 00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:48,640 show business and sometimes we are expected to lean into this 677 00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:54,120 kind of diva behaviour. But there's a time and a place. 678 00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:58,440 And I think if for example, you know, that person has been 679 00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:02,840 allowed to get away with that kind of delivery or interaction, 680 00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:08,440 then he or she hasn't learnt, you know, any, any new behaviour 681 00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:12,040 of how to interact with the people within her, her 682 00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:13,840 profession or his profession, right. 683 00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:17,680 So, but you also back to responsibility and aware 684 00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:22,640 self-awareness and, and read the room and read the scenario and 685 00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:27,320 just be a little bit more present and don't be the one 686 00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:31,440 who's causing all the fuss when you know, life's too short. 687 00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:34,320 And like you said at the beginning of this episode, it's 688 00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:36,800 it's Just Dance. Yes, we love it. 689 00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:40,960 Yes, we respect it. Yes, most of us live for it. 690 00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:45,040 However, there are bigger things going on and we just need to 691 00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:49,240 have a bit more of, of of a balance and consideration, don't 692 00:39:49,240 --> 00:39:50,080 we? Yeah. 693 00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:54,120 And I think what you said there about the diva thing, I think 694 00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:59,200 it's good to be aware of people are expecting you to be a diva. 695 00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:03,520 So try and not be that. Try and prove the dress of the 696 00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:06,400 wig department and the stage manager, the techie, the whoever 697 00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:10,600 in the theatre that actually, just like many things from 698 00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:12,240 ballet school, we've been taught wrong. 699 00:40:12,240 --> 00:40:16,040 You've also been taught wrong. We are not Divas, we are not all 700 00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:17,640 like this. We are actually human beings. 701 00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:20,040 All we're doing is dancing and at the end of the day we're all 702 00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:21,960 going to go to the pub together and we're all the same. 703 00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:24,240 We're all human. Like, you know, it's also 704 00:40:24,240 --> 00:40:27,640 teaching the other departments that aren't the performers, that 705 00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:33,400 actually we're not Divas, we are also human and can be, can be 706 00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:35,440 nice. Amen. 707 00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:43,440 However, no, I'm joking. I will say that you know exactly 708 00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:47,120 what you said about having to teach yourself acceptance to for 709 00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:50,800 being an actor in a ballet company and not being a dancer. 710 00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:54,720 It is a lot of retraining your own brain because I found myself 711 00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:59,560 trying to talk up jobs that I've done, like like for example, 712 00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:01,720 let's just say Tivoli, for example, you know, it's a small 713 00:41:01,720 --> 00:41:04,320 ballet company that no one has ever heard of outside of 714 00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:07,680 Scandinavia or whatever. It's become more and more well 715 00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:09,840 known the past couple of years, which is great. 716 00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:14,680 I remember when I would write it on my CV or when someone would 717 00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:18,160 ask me what I was doing, instead of just saying, oh, I'm at a 718 00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:20,520 ballet company in Tivoli Gardens in Copenhagen. 719 00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:24,600 I would find myself like saying, oh, I'm at Tivoli Ballet Theatre 720 00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:26,720 where you know, we do Bonneville. 721 00:41:26,720 --> 00:41:31,400 We do, you know, trying to make the company, trying to upsell 722 00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:35,000 the company instead of some, you know, battling the self demons 723 00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:37,720 of myself like, oh, you're in a small ballet company pool. 724 00:41:37,720 --> 00:41:39,720 You didn't make it or whatever. It's not a proper ballet 725 00:41:39,720 --> 00:41:43,560 company. So it is a lot of self respect 726 00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:46,560 like you said as well for me when you know, in those jobs. 727 00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:51,120 I remember I took it off my CV straight away when I did the job 728 00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:52,840 because I was embarrassed about it. 729 00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:56,120 There's a company called Spirit. They did Spirit of the Dance, 730 00:41:56,120 --> 00:42:01,320 which was kind of like a touring copycat, sorry of her 731 00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:03,200 Riverdance. And then they also had one 732 00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:05,480 called Spirit of Broadway. And I did Spirit of Broadway. 733 00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:08,280 It's Auk tour, basically performance, doing a mega mix of 734 00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:11,040 musicals. And I didn't tell anybody that I 735 00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:13,520 did it. I took off my CV straight away 736 00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:20,360 because it was beneath me in my head and it's so toxic and wrong 737 00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:24,800 for me to have thought that because I learnt a lot from that 738 00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:27,120 job. It was my first touring job. 739 00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:30,400 It taught me how to tour. It taught me how to get on with 740 00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:32,880 the show when someone's injured and you know, all that kind of 741 00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:35,160 stuff that we spoke about before about, you know, joining a, a 742 00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:39,000 company when you're young. And I just wish I didn't have 743 00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:42,720 that self deprecating or, you know, feel that I was less than 744 00:42:42,720 --> 00:42:48,320 because I was in this air quotes shitty little job that wasn't a 745 00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:50,480 proper musical or a proper dance company. 746 00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:54,640 It was some touring, touring cheesy show that I thought was 747 00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:57,720 less than. So it's given my I, I wasn't 748 00:42:57,720 --> 00:43:00,080 respecting myself. Yeah, I mean, that's easily 749 00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:02,840 done. It's very easily done because 750 00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:05,800 we're we're so conditioned to feel that way. 751 00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:09,000 But I think, you know, if there's any advice that I can 752 00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:14,400 give younger, the younger dancers now is to embrace you 753 00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:18,040 can acknowledge your worth. And if you've chosen a job, 754 00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:21,480 whether it's because it was the only job that was available and 755 00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:24,320 you had to take it to keep the money coming in to pay your 756 00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:29,480 rent, or whether it was a really selective career choice. 757 00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:32,920 The respect in the way you present yourself. 758 00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:37,480 Because if you say to someone, oh, I'm doing, yeah, I'm, I'm 759 00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:39,880 not doing that much. I'm just doing like a it's a 10 760 00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:43,400 week UK tour, but it's with a really small company and people. 761 00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:47,920 You're then fueling the stigma that comes behind not working 762 00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:52,800 for a mega mega, what one may consider a Class A company. 763 00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:56,240 But if you say, Oh my God, I'm doing an amazing tour with 764 00:43:56,880 --> 00:44:01,240 whatever insert tall name here and you deliver it in a way that 765 00:44:01,240 --> 00:44:04,000 shows that you're proud of your work and what you're doing. 766 00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:07,480 And sometimes you may not feel proud about taking that job. 767 00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:11,160 But if you present it in a way you then you extinguish the 768 00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:14,720 power that the other person or the other people that may relish 769 00:44:14,720 --> 00:44:17,120 the fact that you're not doing as well. 770 00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:20,600 Because let's face it, we've all been in that scenario where 771 00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:25,880 we've bumped into somebody, you know, at Pineapple Dance Studios 772 00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:28,880 or in an open class. And you know, one of the first 773 00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:31,240 questions is, oh, So what are you doing at, you know, what are 774 00:44:31,240 --> 00:44:34,120 you doing right now? What you know, and you feel like 775 00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:38,920 under so much pressure if you're not working, I think we just 776 00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:42,120 have to be feeling a bit more empowered. 777 00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:46,240 And that that comes from working on ourselves and learning to 778 00:44:46,240 --> 00:44:50,680 respect ourselves and, and also respecting other people, you 779 00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:52,800 know, because we can't really control other people's 780 00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:55,720 behaviour, but we can certainly take responsibility for how we, 781 00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:59,760 you know, deliver our interactions with, with people 782 00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:03,200 within our business, our vocation, you know, because 783 00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:04,800 friends wouldn't do that to one another. 784 00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:09,800 It's more those that you kind of see around town or, or you know, 785 00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:13,240 city to city, you know, that are interested, but they're only 786 00:45:13,240 --> 00:45:16,280 really interested because they're probably feeling settled 787 00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:17,680 and they have something at the moment. 788 00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:19,520 So they're quite willing to ask you. 789 00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:21,160 Oh, So what are you doing right now? 790 00:45:21,720 --> 00:45:23,480 Yeah, because they want you to ask them. 791 00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:25,840 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So they can turn around to be 792 00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:29,640 like, Oh, well, I'm the face of Paul Mitchell's new No More 793 00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:33,760 Tears shampoo. Well, that was a body double for 794 00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:37,920 Catherine Zeta Jones, and in drama beat that. 795 00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:45,400 So I really do hope that we are making a difference. 796 00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:46,640 You're. Not making a difference right 797 00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:51,040 now. So I really do hope that that 798 00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:53,720 makes a difference. If you are listening then Please 799 00:45:53,720 --> 00:45:56,680 remember to smile and say good morning to the cleaner you walk 800 00:45:56,680 --> 00:45:59,160 past in the theatre every morning and then I'll be happy. 801 00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:02,640 Totally, and like we've said many, many times, it takes a 802 00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:07,680 village and the real show is backstage, so give everyone the 803 00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:11,440 respect they deserve. Even Jessica. 804 00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:14,760 Not Jessica. Depends how I'm feeling up on 805 00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:18,920 that particular day. Well, Denise, I respect you and 806 00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:21,600 love you lots. And I respect you, and I love 807 00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:24,520 you lots too. Right. 808 00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:27,760 Take care sweetheart, and thank you everybody for listening to 809 00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:29,760 another episode of Tricks at the Bar. 810 00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:32,120 Bye everybody, Bye.