1 00:00:04,880 --> 00:00:07,960 Hello and welcome to Drinks at the Bar, the podcast where we 2 00:00:07,960 --> 00:00:10,760 breakthrough the 4th wall and discuss everything about dance 3 00:00:10,760 --> 00:00:13,640 and the theatre industry. My name is poor James Rooney, a 4 00:00:13,680 --> 00:00:16,920 dancer, choreographer and dance teacher based in Copenhagen, and 5 00:00:16,920 --> 00:00:18,800 I am your host of Drinks at the Bar. 6 00:00:19,360 --> 00:00:23,040 Today I'm joined by my regular guest host, the body of the 7 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:26,920 1990s Special K Commercials. It is Damien Lister. 8 00:00:29,480 --> 00:00:32,680 Hi everybody, I'm Damien Lee Sterk, director of the Dancer 9 00:00:32,680 --> 00:00:36,360 Studio London, classical ballet teacher and actor with the Royal 10 00:00:36,360 --> 00:00:38,480 Ballet. Here we will discuss everything 11 00:00:38,480 --> 00:00:41,600 from hearing backstage stories, touring shenanigans, to deeper 12 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:44,640 issues like body image training, the reality of being a freelance 13 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:47,520 dancer, and more. With guest professionals, we are 14 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:50,520 here to share our knowledge, experience, and help you with 15 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:53,320 any questions or problems you may have about dance and 16 00:00:53,320 --> 00:00:55,760 navigating the dance world. Hi, Denise. 17 00:00:56,320 --> 00:01:00,360 Welcome back. Hello my darling, I know season 18 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:02,840 4 I can't believe it I. Know it's fantastic. 19 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:04,879 I'm so happy to be back recording and. 20 00:01:05,239 --> 00:01:07,360 Oh me. Too back chatting to you but 21 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:10,120 recorded of course we never talk with without it being we. 22 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:16,880 Never speak off camera, off mic. Well I have got myself a gin and 23 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:19,040 tonic and I haven't had one in absolutely ages. 24 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:21,560 So cheers to you love. What do you have to drink? 25 00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:26,280 Oh, cheers. I have a glass of Sauvignon and 26 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:30,440 it's chilled to perfection. So chin, chin. 27 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:34,200 And it's currently 4 minutes past five in the afternoon here 28 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:36,720 in England for you, an hour ahead. 29 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:39,800 SO66-O, four. Very civilized. 30 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:42,200 Very civilized, time to drink so cheers love. 31 00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:48,120 Flash forward, bed by 9. And welcome everybody to Season 32 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:49,840 4. Welcome back. 33 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:56,480 Oh, that's lovely. I have to before we go down a 34 00:01:56,480 --> 00:01:59,600 rabbit hole of how we do, look at the bottle. 35 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:05,560 Isn't this a stunning bottle of gin? 36 00:02:05,680 --> 00:02:07,480 That's lovely. You're going to have to describe 37 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:10,360 it though for our oh, actually no, we are filming, so depending 38 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:13,480 on how this is uploaded, but just in case, describe. 39 00:02:13,480 --> 00:02:17,120 Depending on the platform you are using, it is, I would say a 40 00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:22,160 Peacock Blue Bottle. It's called Scarack, it's a 41 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:27,120 Nordic gin, and it's got the coast of Norway embossed into 42 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:29,880 the glass. Wonderful thanks to us, The 43 00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:34,920 Bouncers Season 4. Wink, wink. 44 00:02:36,040 --> 00:02:38,680 Well, hello, Mummy needs a new laptop. 45 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:43,720 Cheers everybody, and cheers Denise. 46 00:02:43,720 --> 00:02:45,200 Sorry. Cheers and everyone. 47 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:49,920 We haven't done an episode since before Christmas and since then 48 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:54,040 I was just, I think I, I had just, Oh yes, we recorded. 49 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:57,360 I had just finished the workshops with James. 50 00:02:57,720 --> 00:02:59,680 Yes. The workshops from My Fair Lady 51 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:03,840 and I remember on the last episode because I haven't 52 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:04,840 listened to it since it came out. 53 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:07,600 So I'm trying to remember what we discussed, but I think it was 54 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:10,640 just before we started the proper rehearsals with the 55 00:03:10,640 --> 00:03:15,080 entire cast and everything, and just before I went to Paris to 56 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:18,800 see my friend in Chicago. That's right. 57 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:22,680 So just a little catch up for all of our listeners. 58 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:26,200 So yes, I went to Paris. It was a very, very quick trip, 59 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:32,000 Tours and I went over to Paris and had a lovely two days. 60 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:35,840 I think it was there, stayed in the Hoxton Hotel, which was 61 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:39,080 stunning. And yeah, I went to see my 62 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:43,960 friend Niels, who was performing in Chicago in Paris, and it was 63 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:45,680 just fantastic to see that show again. 64 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:49,400 I haven't seen it since probably the early 2000s in the West End, 65 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:51,840 back in the Adelphi Theatre or something. 66 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:54,520 Yeah. And it's just timeless. 67 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:56,840 It's just such a timeless show. And the choreography is 68 00:03:56,840 --> 00:03:59,560 fantastic. And kind of like we've discussed 69 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:03,000 on previous episodes with Balanchine and other 70 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:06,200 choreographers and other shows, there is like a hierarchy of 71 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:09,600 people that go around and check the, like, quality, check the 72 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:11,440 show. And we'll come round and help 73 00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:14,280 teach the choreography and help choose the dancers so that you 74 00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:18,040 have the correct standard. And there was, there's nothing I 75 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:20,680 can fault with that production. I came out, you know, when you 76 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:23,360 come out, you've just seen a really good show. 77 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:26,160 And everything was just high class, high quality. 78 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:30,920 The dancers were sleek, beautiful, fantastic style. 79 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:34,400 Just everything was great. It was just just as I 80 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:38,280 remembered, and I came out of it, yeah, exactly feeling 81 00:04:38,280 --> 00:04:40,760 exactly like I did when I saw it the first time. 82 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:44,240 It's just such a good show. How lovely was it in English or 83 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:46,920 French? It was in French tu Le Jaze. 84 00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:52,200 Fabulous and quite right in Paris. 85 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:55,040 Yeah, but you know how lovely to see it in French. 86 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:58,760 And I love that show. And I also love the film. 87 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:03,400 As you know, we are literally Catherine Zeta Jones and you are 88 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:06,480 Renee Salviger. Oh, am I Queen Latifah? 89 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:11,840 Sometimes, yes, but I love it. And I think we've spoken about 90 00:05:11,840 --> 00:05:16,920 this before in a past season, but because we've both 91 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:18,640 auditioned for Chicago. Is that correct? 92 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:21,840 Yeah, yeah. I mean, mine had not got it. 93 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:24,640 Obviously not got it because we're not showgirls. 94 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:28,440 We're classically trained, but mine was. 95 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:30,680 I don't know how I got on that list. 96 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:34,320 I don't know how I got on that list, but I was on a private 97 00:05:34,320 --> 00:05:36,800 list. It was at Pineapple, I think at 98 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:39,560 the very, very top, and it was with Anne Reinking. 99 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:42,560 Oh my God. Oh, it's at at that studio where 100 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:45,240 you walk past Roland's class and it like further. 101 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:48,160 Yeah, I think so. I it was, I mean, it was so long 102 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:52,000 ago, but it was. Pineapple had just opened. 103 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:54,480 Literally it was the opening week of pineapple. 104 00:05:55,080 --> 00:05:57,680 It was me and Deb's. She'd just put put down the 105 00:05:57,680 --> 00:06:03,960 first month's mortgage and it was exciting and I'm so glad for 106 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:05,520 that moment. It was terrifying. 107 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:08,440 I was very, very young. I just don't know how I ended up 108 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:11,080 in that room, but I'm glad that I was. 109 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:14,040 Oh, yeah, 100%. I mean, if not just to meet Anne 110 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:17,960 Rankin, but I mean, I, I mean, I told the story on the podcast 111 00:06:17,960 --> 00:06:22,800 about me auditioning for Chicago in London, you know, lying on my 112 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:26,800 CV about my height and my age and my weight and my gender and 113 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:34,440 my but I auditioned for it in, in Copenhagen at the new theatre 114 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:39,360 where I work now. And they are not the best at 115 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:46,280 replying quickly with emails. And, and I, I remember I 116 00:06:46,280 --> 00:06:50,080 contacted them after not hearing something for a long time and 117 00:06:50,080 --> 00:06:52,320 they said, oh, you're the first on the wait list. 118 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:55,080 So we can't give you a definitive no right now in case 119 00:06:55,080 --> 00:06:59,320 someone, understandably, they keep me waiting until everybody 120 00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:01,560 has signed their contracts and then they can say, OK, we're not 121 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:03,160 going to need you. So that was understandable. 122 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:06,000 Then I didn't hear from them for ages and I was just like, OK, 123 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:08,880 I'm guessing everybody has signed their contracts and 124 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:11,720 everybody has said yes and they've just forgotten to call 125 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:13,360 me. Like, fine. 126 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:18,040 Like that's completely fine. Anyway, Fast forward, I think 127 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:20,960 I'm in Malmo doing Billy Elliot and I'm in the middle of 128 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:24,720 rehearsals and I get a phone call from the New Theatre and 129 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:28,600 it's the day of the premiere of Chicago at the New Theatre in 130 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:30,520 Copenhagen. And they call me up and the 131 00:07:30,520 --> 00:07:33,280 office calling me saying, yeah, we're just calling to say that 132 00:07:34,320 --> 00:07:36,680 yes, you did not get Chicago and we're not going to need you for 133 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:38,640 the contract. Oh my God. 134 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:42,880 So OK, well, better late than never, but like, I kind of 135 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:44,800 worked that out myself. The premieres tonight. 136 00:07:44,960 --> 00:07:46,960 I know I'm fast at learning stuff but come on. 137 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:51,480 It's so rude, though, isn't it, just to be so blase. 138 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:53,800 I actually thought the story was going to go the other way and 139 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:56,640 they were either going to be like, oh, hey, Paul, we're just 140 00:07:56,880 --> 00:07:59,840 reminding you, you've got a rehearsal in, you know, 15 141 00:07:59,840 --> 00:08:02,920 minutes or, oh, somebody's just pulled out. 142 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:05,040 Would you mind stepping in? You know, But no. 143 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:07,240 No, it's just reminding me that I didn't have the job. 144 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:10,720 Bad communication. Hi, it's the Premier. 145 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:13,160 We're just calling to remind you that we don't want to see you on 146 00:08:13,160 --> 00:08:14,000 stage. Thank you. 147 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:18,720 We didn't get it and we just wanted to tell you officially. 148 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:20,920 We just really want to put salt in that wound. 149 00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:25,640 Cheers. Oh my God. 150 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:29,160 Well, yeah. So we carrying on from Chicago, 151 00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:34,320 we we then did rehearsals from My Fair Lady and that went 152 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:36,760 really well. James and I were, you know, a 153 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:38,679 great team, as we have been before. 154 00:08:38,679 --> 00:08:41,559 And we had cast the right people. 155 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:45,120 It was just a very drama free. We've now finished the 156 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:46,560 production already. That's how long it's been. 157 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:49,600 We've rehearsed it, we've done the three months of performances 158 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:52,040 and now we've stopped and it's just been a very drama free 159 00:08:52,040 --> 00:08:56,240 experience because it, it's just, it's one of those things 160 00:08:56,240 --> 00:08:59,120 where it just proves that, you know, having experience and 161 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:01,880 knowing people and having people on the inside cast in the show 162 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:05,160 and just some instead of just a random outside choreographer not 163 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:08,600 knowing anything about the people within that retrospective 164 00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:11,160 city. It it really paid off because 165 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:14,160 James and I obviously have used our experience and our knowledge 166 00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:18,160 and our, you know, knowing of people in the industry and 167 00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:20,200 knowing their backgrounds and knowing their past employment 168 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:22,760 history and knowing what they like to as a colleague and all 169 00:09:22,760 --> 00:09:25,680 that kind of stuff. In addition to what we saw in 170 00:09:25,680 --> 00:09:28,640 the room to cast the show. And we ended up with a very 171 00:09:28,640 --> 00:09:33,960 drama free production. And so that was lovely. 172 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:36,880 Yeah. So we did the rehearsals where I 173 00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:40,000 was assistant choreographer. And then when the show started, 174 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:43,440 then I was swinging on the production and. 175 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:46,280 Yeah. Sure and sweet, but drama free. 176 00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:49,280 And sometimes having a drama free contract is quite lovely, 177 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:51,360 isn't it? Because, you know, for those who 178 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:55,400 are performing on a regular basis, they'll appreciate, you 179 00:09:55,400 --> 00:09:59,000 know, the second you step into the dressing room, it's almost 180 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:03,080 as if something takes over you and we all start performing for 181 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:06,160 each other in the dressing room. You know, I think it's a way to 182 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:09,320 get the energy up and to get into show mode, particularly in 183 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:12,240 periods where, for example, right now for the next three 184 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:16,120 weeks, we have performances on a Monday evening and, and on a 185 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:17,960 Saturday with nothing in between. 186 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:20,760 So it feels like a lifetime in between performances. 187 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:24,760 So when you step in to that dressing room, you're so you're 188 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:26,760 so happy to see all your colleagues and you're getting 189 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:29,800 your costumes on and your wigs and you know if you've got any 190 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:32,400 mustache to glue on. And then the dresser comes in 191 00:10:32,400 --> 00:10:34,920 and it's very, very high energy to Rev you up for the 192 00:10:34,920 --> 00:10:38,840 performance so that you can step on stage having have, having had 193 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:43,040 a few days off in between. But sometimes, depending on 194 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:47,160 who's in that dressing room, for example, the, the chemistry can 195 00:10:47,160 --> 00:10:48,800 change. And sometimes it's a little bit 196 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:50,840 low key. Others it's very, very 197 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:53,360 heightened. And those quieter, softer 198 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:55,000 moments can be quite nice as well. 199 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:58,880 So I'm glad you appreciated the the calmness of it all. 200 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:01,960 Yeah, I mean, and also, you know, the drama free being there 201 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:06,840 wasn't, you know, some diva complaining about the dance 202 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:09,600 floor or or whatever it is or the temperature of the room and 203 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:13,120 all that kind of extravagant diva like behaviour which we've 204 00:11:13,280 --> 00:11:16,120 all experienced on a. I've never experienced anything 205 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:18,840 like. That that we've all experienced 206 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:22,640 on multiple occasions. And yes, in hindsight, those 207 00:11:22,640 --> 00:11:25,480 moments are what you talk about on a podcast that you start with 208 00:11:25,480 --> 00:11:29,480 your friend and, and those are the moments that you remember 209 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:33,520 and you laugh about. But if you actually do think 210 00:11:33,520 --> 00:11:37,880 back to when it was happening, it was not fun, those drama 211 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:41,600 moments and when things went wrong at the moment, they're fun 212 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:43,800 to look back on in the great memories, but they were not fun 213 00:11:43,800 --> 00:11:46,320 in the moment. And so being very present right 214 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:49,040 now, we've just finished the final show. 215 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:54,120 It's been a very pleasant drama free production and especially 216 00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:58,320 being a swing, having a drama free performance schedule has 217 00:11:58,320 --> 00:12:02,680 been lovely. But yes, I did not do this job 218 00:12:02,680 --> 00:12:04,680 to be the swing. I did this job to be the 219 00:12:04,680 --> 00:12:08,280 assistant choreographer. And that part of my job I love. 220 00:12:08,320 --> 00:12:11,320 I love that side being that side of the table. 221 00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:14,720 Like of course I love performing and I love dancing myself, but I 222 00:12:14,720 --> 00:12:16,680 really do love being the other side of the table. 223 00:12:16,680 --> 00:12:20,480 And I loved being assistant choreographer, and I love giving 224 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:24,160 notes, and I love problem solving, and I love trying to 225 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:27,320 Polish that silverware until it really shines and trying to 226 00:12:28,280 --> 00:12:30,360 figure out how to help someone do a step. 227 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:35,760 And yeah, I love my job. Well, thank God, because 228 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:38,000 otherwise it would be. Pays nothing. 229 00:12:38,440 --> 00:12:40,360 Pays nothing and it would be terrible. 230 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:43,800 There's nothing. There's no security. 231 00:12:43,800 --> 00:12:45,920 No, no, no, don't have a pension. 232 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:51,800 Oh gosh, don't get me started on that, but I think it is rather 233 00:12:51,800 --> 00:12:55,880 lovely. Having had a long, a long, very 234 00:12:55,880 --> 00:13:01,560 long performing career, it is nice to be on the other side of 235 00:13:01,560 --> 00:13:05,040 the table, like you say, because you, especially if, like you and 236 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:08,400 I, we're both teachers, so we clearly enjoy sharing and 237 00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:12,840 passing on information. So, you know, being able to 238 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:18,160 share those little magical moments of stage experience is 239 00:13:18,160 --> 00:13:21,320 really, really quite special, particularly when those people 240 00:13:21,320 --> 00:13:24,240 are very receptive and they appreciate it because some 241 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:29,480 productions are thrown on so quickly and they, they lose the 242 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:33,760 essence of what, what the choreography or the vision was 243 00:13:33,760 --> 00:13:36,000 because it's a business, right? So. 244 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:37,360 And because of who's teaching it. 245 00:13:41,680 --> 00:13:47,840 I'm only half a glass of wine in wait until but true you make a 246 00:13:47,840 --> 00:13:52,480 fairpoint if if the person restaging doesn't care enough or 247 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:57,880 is not informed enough or is not supported enough, then the 248 00:13:57,880 --> 00:14:01,240 interpretation of said production, let's say, may not 249 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:05,360 be at its best. Because they're not. 250 00:14:07,280 --> 00:14:10,680 They're not delving into the true creative essence of what 251 00:14:10,680 --> 00:14:13,520 that production stands for. Anyway, we're going on way off 252 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:16,000 topic. Way off topic, all I wanted to 253 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:19,640 say was I'm happy. No, but. 254 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:21,640 Really happy everybody. She's happy. 255 00:14:21,640 --> 00:14:24,280 She's happy. Now Fast forward two weeks when 256 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:26,280 we're doing Episode 3 and she's furious. 257 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:32,040 No, but it's, it was very nice to have a group of performers, 258 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:34,840 I'd say performance because it's a, you know, musicals are very 259 00:14:34,840 --> 00:14:37,760 mix of whether they're dancers, singers, actors, a mix of the 260 00:14:37,760 --> 00:14:42,240 three, all that kind of stuff. But it was just nice to have a 261 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:46,760 group of people again, because James and I chose said people 262 00:14:47,160 --> 00:14:51,960 that were not only receptive, but willing and wanting 263 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:58,200 corrections. And we all know that, especially 264 00:14:58,200 --> 00:15:01,840 when it's something maybe you're not the strongest at, as some 265 00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:04,640 people in this production are singer actors and we're making 266 00:15:04,640 --> 00:15:08,040 them dance. You can get very defensive and 267 00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:11,320 you can put up a wall and when you start getting corrections 268 00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:13,280 about dancing because it's not something you're comfortable 269 00:15:13,280 --> 00:15:16,160 with and you get that kind of and there's none of that. 270 00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:20,960 No, it was just it was pleasant. I'm going to leave that said 271 00:15:20,960 --> 00:15:23,280 production now. It was pleasant. 272 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:24,840 Great. I'm. 273 00:15:25,520 --> 00:15:27,840 Thrilled. I'm thrilled. 274 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:29,920 Not one story to share with them. 275 00:15:29,960 --> 00:15:33,160 Not one story to share with us. Well, next week we're talking 276 00:15:33,160 --> 00:15:36,800 about being a swing, so. Then there's plenty. 277 00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:47,120 So love, what about you? You just said that you're doing 278 00:15:47,120 --> 00:15:48,600 shows right now. I am. 279 00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:52,160 What shows are we up to? What shows am I up to? 280 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:57,400 So when we last, when we were last recording, I think I'm I'd 281 00:15:57,400 --> 00:16:01,440 either just finished touring with English National Ballet, 282 00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:04,800 Sleeping Beauty or I was about to finish, I can't remember. 283 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:09,360 But that was fantastic. I had a great time being back on 284 00:16:09,360 --> 00:16:13,000 tour, wonderful company. I hadn't worked with them for a 285 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:16,480 while, so that was really, really great. 286 00:16:16,800 --> 00:16:21,400 I have to say a truly lovely, friendly, welcoming, hard 287 00:16:21,400 --> 00:16:25,960 working, talented company. So that was marvellous and it 288 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:31,040 ain't over yet because we Part 2 of that contract is at the Royal 289 00:16:31,040 --> 00:16:34,600 Albert Hall in June. So I'm so excited to go back 290 00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:37,760 there because that's where I first performed with English 291 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:40,680 National Ballet. So full circle moment. 292 00:16:41,160 --> 00:16:44,560 Amazing. Christmas was low key and then 293 00:16:44,720 --> 00:16:47,600 we revved up again at the Opera House for. 294 00:16:50,840 --> 00:16:55,000 The bill, The Musical. I'm Co producing. 295 00:16:56,040 --> 00:16:59,400 We started Giselle. I mean I and I hadn't done 296 00:16:59,400 --> 00:17:02,240 Giselle before with the Royal Ballet and I was really 297 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:07,640 manifesting the Giselle Ness out of every day because I wanted to 298 00:17:07,640 --> 00:17:11,000 be a part of that production. But you just never know who's 299 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:14,400 coming in and who's coming out because there has to be a place. 300 00:17:14,800 --> 00:17:20,960 And I just prayed to the gods, all the gods, that I'd been 301 00:17:20,960 --> 00:17:25,240 offered a contract and I was, and I loved every single moment. 302 00:17:25,480 --> 00:17:31,920 And then that blended straight into myelin, which was another 303 00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:36,200 contract I'd not done. So I basically won those two new 304 00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:40,000 contracts with the Royal Ballet, and we're still doing myelin 305 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:43,480 right now. So I think we have maybe 8, 7 or 306 00:17:43,480 --> 00:17:48,640 8 performances left of Myling. Then we go back into a run 307 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:50,840 across the road and go to English National Ballet for 308 00:17:50,840 --> 00:17:54,280 Sleeping Beauty. And in between all of those 309 00:17:54,280 --> 00:17:59,760 things, we've had dancer studio workshops, including, well, our 310 00:17:59,760 --> 00:18:03,040 next one a week on Sunday is a very special one. 311 00:18:03,280 --> 00:18:08,680 It's our very first intensive. So it's, it's 10:30 till 3:30. 312 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:10,760 So they'll the dancers will be working hard. 313 00:18:11,280 --> 00:18:14,040 They do have a couple of breaks in between, but it is an 314 00:18:14,040 --> 00:18:15,760 intensive. From 11:00 till 2. 315 00:18:17,480 --> 00:18:19,880 But we chain smoking on the terrazza on the 6th floor at the 316 00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:23,240 Opera House, braiding each other's hair. 317 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:28,200 So it starts with class. And then we'll tackle Liam 318 00:18:28,200 --> 00:18:32,080 Scarlett's Swan Lake Act 2 walls for for the Royal Ballet. 319 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:36,920 And then we have a little lunch break and then we come back into 320 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:40,720 the studio and we have a very special guest coach, Mr. Simon 321 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:43,960 Williams. Fantastic, fantastic. 322 00:18:43,960 --> 00:18:47,920 Who'll be leading a more modern interpretation. 323 00:18:48,240 --> 00:18:53,160 And so the dancers from the morning session get to tackle a 324 00:18:53,400 --> 00:18:56,600 more contemporary, still lyrical, but contemporary 325 00:18:56,600 --> 00:18:59,960 interpretation. And it's the same music. 326 00:18:59,960 --> 00:19:01,800 So it's the it's actually. Well. 327 00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:07,400 Music, but a completely different interpretation. 328 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:10,720 So that's I'm so excited. I mean, it's a lovely idea as 329 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:15,320 well for them to, to do this for people who aren't, you know, who 330 00:19:15,320 --> 00:19:17,160 haven't done it before, who aren't dancers. 331 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:20,280 It might sound strange, but to learn something to a piece of 332 00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:23,520 music, go outside, come back in and then learn something 333 00:19:23,520 --> 00:19:25,920 completely different to the same piece of music, that's just 334 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:27,840 fantastic. It makes you understand the 335 00:19:27,840 --> 00:19:31,160 music in a different way. And and, oh, it's so clever, 336 00:19:31,160 --> 00:19:33,360 Damien. And live piano, live, Thank you, 337 00:19:33,360 --> 00:19:38,440 live piano with my amazing pianist, who I'm reluctant to 338 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:44,120 say his name because I don't want anybody else to, but James, 339 00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:48,680 James Goulburn is phenomenal. He does so much at the Opera 340 00:19:48,680 --> 00:19:50,200 House. It's unavailable. 341 00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:56,320 Unavailable and he definitely cannot accept any work on any 342 00:19:56,320 --> 00:20:00,600 Sunday. Unless you give the dancer 343 00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:03,640 Studio London 20% of Commission. Yes, we do. 344 00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:07,440 I, I am operating as his agent, his freelance agent as well. 345 00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:10,520 So no, he's amazing. He he plays at pineapple. 346 00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:14,600 He's a conductor. He's I'm so I'm so thrilled that 347 00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:17,240 we, we get to work with him and he's and he's lovely and so 348 00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:20,160 sweet. So, but live music, Swan Lake 349 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:26,480 classical, Swan Lake modern and and full class at the start of 350 00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:30,560 the day at the Opera House. So yeah, very, very excited. 351 00:20:30,560 --> 00:20:33,320 So busy. And what time and can I get a 352 00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:36,160 flight and do you have any spaces available? 353 00:20:37,120 --> 00:20:42,080 We're it's selling very, very well, quite rightly so. 354 00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:46,520 I put that because Simon is so handsome, so he's our campaign. 355 00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:52,480 I plastered his photo all over social media quite deliberately. 356 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:56,200 Yeah, why not? But it's selling very well, and 357 00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:57,760 you'd be more than welcome, of course. 358 00:20:57,760 --> 00:20:59,720 Oh. My God, but have Simon. 359 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:03,160 Simon. And he played the Prince and the 360 00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:05,240 Swan like within the same season. 361 00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:09,080 I mean, that's I was going to say in the same unbelievable, 362 00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:12,000 unbelievable so. Unbelievable. 363 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:15,520 And also like we spoke about before regarding what you're 364 00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:18,640 just talking about with Simon with new Adventures and or 365 00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:21,280 adventures in motion pictures, whatever decade we're talking 366 00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:24,640 about with that Swan Lake production, not everybody. 367 00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:28,200 And I would say to be honest, not a large amount of people in 368 00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:31,760 that company come from a ballet background or at least a ballet 369 00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:33,640 company background. Lots of them might have had like 370 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:35,800 ballet training and then have just gone down the contemporary 371 00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:39,280 route. But Simon was, you know, one of 372 00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:41,920 the handfuls that would have actually done Swan Lake 373 00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:47,080 classically as well before then doing the contemporary version 374 00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:51,360 of it because he was in the Embi want to say. 375 00:21:51,360 --> 00:21:53,440 That's correct, yes. He trained at Royal Ballet 376 00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:58,800 School, he danced with English National Ballet, and he's done 377 00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:01,800 tons of freelance work. Yeah, Michael Clarke. 378 00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:04,960 Michael Clarke, he's just done something very, very special. 379 00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:09,400 Actually, he was rehearsing at the Opera House, so we were able 380 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:12,960 to see each other secretly because it was like a secret 381 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:17,920 rehearsal process for him, because his youngest son 382 00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:22,440 Charlie, also was dancing with him for this Michael Clarke 383 00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:25,760 piece for I think it was for Alexander McQueen. 384 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:29,080 Oh, yes, yes, yes. And I hope to God that it's out, 385 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:32,320 otherwise I've just ruined you. I. 386 00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:36,680 Think I I've seen Simon now Cher on social media that him and his 387 00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:39,360 son and yeah. Yeah, I sort of post something 388 00:22:39,360 --> 00:22:41,520 and I just thought, Oh my God, I hope that's the thing. 389 00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:44,640 So they were rehearsing. So when we were performing 390 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:47,000 Giselle and we were in the building, in the dressing room, 391 00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:50,080 they were still rehearsing. So I would sneak upstairs, have 392 00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:52,840 a quick squeeze peek through the window. 393 00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:54,920 So that was really, really lovely. 394 00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:57,800 So, yeah. And we're so excited to have him 395 00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:00,720 work with us at the Dancers Studio. 396 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:01,920 I can't wait. It's going to be a great. 397 00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:05,280 Day, I mean, and just hopping back to your Giselle story. 398 00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:11,240 I mean, you love Giselle, like we have a big fascination and 399 00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:14,000 love and respect for Giselle. So that must be really, really 400 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:17,640 nice for you to be a part of. Yeah, I, I've just always loved 401 00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:21,760 the the, I mean, it's tragic, of course, but the romanticism and 402 00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:24,480 the, and the balletic style of it. 403 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:29,320 And it's just, I could listen to that, the music all the way 404 00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:34,400 through, particularly Act 2, and just, and just sit there and, 405 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:36,520 and just enjoy it and listen to it. 406 00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:41,200 And, and also a great treat and privilege of being at the Opera 407 00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:45,000 House so frequently is seeing all of these stars and, and, you 408 00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:48,280 know, having time with Alexandra Ferry. 409 00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:53,280 And just there's a very, very funny moment where I think it 410 00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:56,520 was in February, early February, the company were doing wolf 411 00:23:56,520 --> 00:24:01,680 works and I was there with my lovely friend Kelly and we got 412 00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:05,200 talking to two people that were sat next to us that we'd only 413 00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:09,120 met in the interval because it was so that we'd that we'd met 414 00:24:09,120 --> 00:24:12,800 sorry, but only spoke to to them during the interval, but they 415 00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:15,600 were seated next to us because it was so overwhelmingly 416 00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:17,520 beautiful. The mute, everybody was crying. 417 00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:21,440 It was a really surreal experience because I'd not seen 418 00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:25,680 Wolf Works for a long time and the first time I saw it, I 419 00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:28,560 didn't have that reaction. But this time, whether it was 420 00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:32,480 the conductor, I don't know, but everybody was in tears. 421 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:34,280 It was so emotional and beautifully. 422 00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:41,160 So anyway, my point is Rain. Rain was also there with his 423 00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:44,840 partner, but they were sat kind of opposite. 424 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:47,440 And so we went for a glass of champagne in the in the 425 00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:53,600 interval, one of the intervals. And on the way from our seat to 426 00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:56,840 the bar, my friend Kelly was with me. 427 00:24:56,840 --> 00:25:00,560 She's a fantastic makeup artist. And I was just explaining to 428 00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:03,080 her. The first time I saw Wolf works 429 00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:06,520 was with with Alessandra Fairy, who's one of my favorite 430 00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:10,240 ballerinas. We get to meet Rain at the bar 431 00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:14,360 and I literally look, the person in front of me is Alessandra 432 00:25:14,360 --> 00:25:15,320 Fairy. Oh my God. 433 00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:20,320 So I kind of nudge Kelly and I go, Oh my God, that is honey, 434 00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:23,360 Sandra Ferry. And then she turned around. 435 00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:30,080 He turns around and I just said, because we see each other at the 436 00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:32,080 Opera House, but I've never stopped to speak to her. 437 00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:33,640 But she was literally right in front of me. 438 00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:37,080 So I just explained, Oh, my God, I said, it's so lovely to meet 439 00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:40,080 you. I was just telling and told her 440 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:43,960 when I just told Kelly. And then Rain was facing away at 441 00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:47,320 the bar and I tapped him on the shoulder and I went, Rain, 442 00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:51,080 darling, look who it is. Because he was expecting like 443 00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:54,280 somebody from the company, but somebody that he was familiar 444 00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:56,320 with. He turned around and grabbed 445 00:25:56,320 --> 00:26:01,320 her, kissed her on the cheek and went, oh, hi, because he was so 446 00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:05,160 caught off guard. But she just embraced it. 447 00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:08,840 She was, she was fantastic. But it was, that was a special 448 00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:10,960 moment just within itself. But it made me laugh. 449 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:15,240 But yeah, Giselle and thinking about her and, and, and the 450 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:19,800 music and being on stage, you know, was really, really, really 451 00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:22,560 special. And I'm so, I'm so thrilled that 452 00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:24,320 I was a part of it. Fantastic. 453 00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:26,080 That's so cool. That's so cool. 454 00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:33,720 So I wanted things have happened since we last recorded and one 455 00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:36,880 major thing that happened. Is I've had my hair. 456 00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:39,360 Cut. You've had your hair, Cut, 457 00:26:39,360 --> 00:26:41,320 you've got glasses. And it kind of looks like I'm 458 00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:44,840 interviewing Christian. What's his name? 459 00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:47,000 Project Catwalk? Project Runway? 460 00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:50,440 Christian Siriano. Is that his name? 461 00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:53,520 That's who you look like right now on this kind. 462 00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:57,240 Of on Madonna from the Rain video he's got like. 463 00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:01,120 No, it's, it's, it's like Christian's Christian Siriano, I 464 00:27:01,120 --> 00:27:03,000 think his name. Anyway, Because I kind of feel 465 00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:04,440 like like that's not a compliment. 466 00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:13,480 Project Runway Christian, you say, if I get an image. 467 00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:16,720 Oh no. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. 468 00:27:17,120 --> 00:27:22,200 Oh my God, yes. Especially right now, you're 469 00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:28,000 looking dead on in the camera. Yeah, I see it I whether I 470 00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:30,960 there's a picture here, Ashley. It. 471 00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:34,600 Looks like when you first walked into Swan Lake rehearsals. 472 00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:40,480 I don't know if you can. That is what I look like when I 473 00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:43,800 first walked into Swan Lake. Not exactly what you look like. 474 00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:46,120 Oh my God. How funny. 475 00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:53,200 Anyway, random side note, yes, during our break, the whole 476 00:27:53,200 --> 00:28:00,040 Timothy Chalamet thing kicked off Timothy Chalamet and I 477 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:04,160 actually even during our face times in our break, you and I 478 00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:05,800 haven't actually discussed this at all. 479 00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:09,400 It was just a bit strange really. 480 00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:14,240 And it's my first reaction. I don't need to explain what 481 00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:15,520 happened. Everybody knows what happened. 482 00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:22,920 My first reaction when I heard what he said was stupid young 483 00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:26,120 Gen. Z person not understanding that 484 00:28:26,120 --> 00:28:30,800 we're all in this together. Kind of like even if you are a 485 00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:34,440 film actor and yes, you do not want, you don't have any 486 00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:38,360 interest in going and watching an opera or going and watching a 487 00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:39,880 ballet. That's your choice. 488 00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:42,400 Your what you would like to go watch. 489 00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:47,000 It was just a very big statement to say that they're dying art 490 00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:50,000 forms and I don't want to be part of something that's dying. 491 00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:57,160 And it would just felt like we're all struggling kind of to 492 00:28:57,160 --> 00:29:02,680 put it together with like why we have pride for LGBTQ, Why it's 493 00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:05,320 not just the gays together, the lesbians by themselves. 494 00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:09,040 We are all together because we're we're we're together. 495 00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:10,720 We are stronger. And it's that whole kind of 496 00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:15,040 thing about like with with plays, with acting, with opera, 497 00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:18,440 with ballet, with classical music, with all this kind of 498 00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:21,120 stuff together we are stronger. We should support each other and 499 00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:26,200 support the arts. And it just felt very selfish 500 00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:32,440 and uneducated and stupid to kind of just pitch about another 501 00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:38,200 part of the arts and culture. And just because you're part of 502 00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:43,240 art has become so commercialized that you earn millions and 503 00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:47,280 millions and millions of dollars, not everybody in your 504 00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:51,280 side of culture acting as itself, but also acting in TV, 505 00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:54,520 acting in films, not everybody in that side of the industry 506 00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:57,240 earns millions and millions and millions of dollars. 507 00:29:57,240 --> 00:30:02,440 It just felt very yeah, uneducated and yes, selfish is 508 00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:04,600 all I can think of to describe it really. 509 00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:08,560 I mean, people that in the industry definitely kicked off 510 00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:11,520 and quite rightly so. I mean, I felt it was just such 511 00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:19,440 an immature, redundant comment to to throw ballet in 512 00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:23,240 particular, an opera under the bus when, like you've just said, 513 00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:28,160 he's part of our creative world. And, you know, there are images 514 00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:31,040 that were quickly put up on socials where, you know, he's 515 00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:36,360 been seen wearing a New York City Ballet baseball cap like, 516 00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:42,760 oh, yeah, a couple of years ago. And it's another actress, I 517 00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:45,520 think. Was it Charlize Theron, maybe, 518 00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:48,480 who I love, by the way. And she's had her hair cut into 519 00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:51,040 a gorgeous, like, Bob. She looks at me anyway. 520 00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:52,600 Oh, yeah. She looks gorgeous, but she's 521 00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:56,880 gorgeous. She said something along the 522 00:30:56,880 --> 00:31:00,880 lines of if anybody's, you know, creative art form is is at risk, 523 00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:04,240 It's it's his. It's acting through AI. 524 00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:10,960 Like you can't generate dance in the live forum or opera. 525 00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:14,680 So it was just a really immature thing to say. 526 00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:18,520 And it did. It did put me off him because I 527 00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:25,160 love Call Me By Your Name, which stars him and Armie Hammer. 528 00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:30,160 It's a beautiful gay love story and I've loved that film, but 529 00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:34,280 now I'm a little bit reluctant to kind of rewatch it because 530 00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:38,160 he's kind of tainted the perception. 531 00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:42,360 And also it's an art house. That's an art house film that 532 00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:44,600 actually wasn't a very mainstream film. 533 00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:47,600 And it's, so it's already, it's a bit like, well, actually what 534 00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:50,360 you're doing. Well, back then was also a bit 535 00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:52,120 fringe. And not everybody goes to see 536 00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:54,520 it. And I don't know it really, it 537 00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:56,400 ruffled a lot of feathers. And I really understand why it 538 00:31:56,400 --> 00:32:00,320 ruffled feathers because it was, yeah, like you say, immature but 539 00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:03,560 uneducated. And I mean, I, I don't know what 540 00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:06,600 is true or stuff, but. But I've also heard that his 541 00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:09,560 mother was a dancer. So it also seems a bit weird for 542 00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:12,720 him to make a comment when his mum was a dancer. 543 00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:15,960 It's so silly. So, so silly. 544 00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:21,640 And in some ways, though, we came out of it very well because 545 00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:28,400 then our community stood up and, and voiced their, our opinions 546 00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:33,520 and it actually gave us some leverage in terms of social 547 00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:36,160 profile of the arts. So it actually worked. 548 00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:38,360 And, and that definitely was not his intention. 549 00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:40,440 It wasn't some clever marketing strategy. 550 00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:47,120 He he had a he had a poor moment and I think he had to check 551 00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:49,880 himself to be to be honest and lost some. 552 00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:53,960 But it did, it ended up working in our favour because so many 553 00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:57,160 people came out of the woodwork supporting. 554 00:32:57,600 --> 00:32:59,920 Especially because he's specifically named ballet and 555 00:32:59,920 --> 00:33:02,120 opera. Lots of people came out of the 556 00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:04,680 woodwork supporting ballet and opera. 557 00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:09,000 The ballet companies themselves put so much stuff on the social 558 00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:10,960 media. Everybody share, everyone was 559 00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:13,520 sharing and re sharing to just see Hampi. 560 00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:17,360 I did, yeah. Happy Giving a speech before one 561 00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:19,880 of the Scottish Ballet performances was fantastic. 562 00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:24,200 Hi, Happy. Yeah, I mean, it was it was 563 00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:27,080 crazy, but I exactly what you said. 564 00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:31,520 I'm very glad that everybody stood up and was like, excuse 565 00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:34,560 me, what you're saying is wrong and we need to support. 566 00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:38,720 And yeah, so I ended up shoving us into the limelight, which is 567 00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:39,840 great. Great. 568 00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:44,960 And he's gone very quiet. So he needs to just rethink if 569 00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:48,920 you have a social platform on that at that scale, you have to 570 00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:51,520 be very mindful. And you know, if we want to play 571 00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:53,840 devil's advocate, we can give him the benefit of the doubt, 572 00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:58,680 but he knows better. And it was, it was such a, a 573 00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:02,120 wasteful airtime moment when he could have said the exact 574 00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:05,000 opposite to promote the arts. I mean, like we are part of the 575 00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:07,160 same family. So I don't know what was going 576 00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:10,800 through his mind. Maybe he was, you know how some 577 00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:14,520 people show off and get cocky? Like it was almost like a an 578 00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:18,520 acting out moment. It felt a bit like a bromance 579 00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:19,719 thing. He was sat there with Matthew 580 00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:23,600 McConaughey, so I don't know if it felt like he needed to grow 581 00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:27,440 up or kind of be a bit all in front of this older, well 582 00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:28,960 respected actor. So I feel like. 583 00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:32,360 Oh yeah, no ballet and opera, mate, you know what I mean? 584 00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:34,880 Sit down. Yeah. 585 00:34:38,639 --> 00:34:41,199 But like you said, you know, when you do have a platform, I 586 00:34:41,199 --> 00:34:44,639 mean, we have a very small platform on this podcast, but 587 00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:49,880 you know, I, I am aware of what is coming out of my mouth and 588 00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:52,480 yes, OK, it is my opinion and I'm allowed to have my opinion. 589 00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:55,239 But I also, there are certain things that I'm not going to say 590 00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:58,320 on a microphone. There are certain things that 591 00:34:59,240 --> 00:35:01,600 even if I think them, I'm not going to say them on a recorded 592 00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:03,320 podcast. I'm going to say to you on 593 00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:05,280 normal FaceTime and have a gossip and a bitch. 594 00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:07,440 There is a place and a time for everything. 595 00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:09,480 And when you're in the public eye, not that we are in the 596 00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:11,040 public eye, but you know what I mean? 597 00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:14,440 You need to know what you're saying and know what you're 598 00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:18,000 putting out there because it affects things, you know, to to 599 00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:21,400 a degree, what we say on this podcast where we've discussed 600 00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:25,880 body image is going to affect people who are in the dance 601 00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:28,360 world and are suffering from eating disorders or body 602 00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:29,600 dysmorphia, all this kind of stuff. 603 00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:32,960 Things that we speak about are being listened to, whether it's 604 00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:35,680 by one person, 20 people, 500,000 people. 605 00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:38,440 It affects people what they hear. 606 00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:41,200 So yeah. Yeah, we have to be mindful and 607 00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:44,640 we have to be responsible for what what we share. 608 00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:52,200 And yes, we like to improvise some conversations on here for 609 00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:56,840 example, but then they're still mapped out and guided because 610 00:35:56,840 --> 00:36:00,520 you for those reasons, you absolutely have to be 611 00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:04,600 responsible if you're sharing something so publicly. 612 00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:11,040 And it's it's mind blowing that his publicist didn't prepare 613 00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:13,760 him. I mean, obviously he or she 614 00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:17,880 can't read his mind and that maybe was an unplanned comment, 615 00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:19,640 but. There was no reduction. 616 00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:21,880 There was no reduction anything straight away after. 617 00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:26,880 No follow up or it was peculiar. But anyway, enough about 618 00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:28,760 Timothy. But the only thing I wanted to 619 00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:32,480 say was was also just, I know he mentioned Bally and Opera, but 620 00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:36,080 like, you know, because I had very recently seen the Wonka 621 00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:39,200 movie because I have not seen many things with him in, to be 622 00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:40,880 honest. And I had recently just seen the 623 00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:44,480 Wonka movie. And there is so much dance in 624 00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:48,320 that movie and there is so much classical music in that movie 625 00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:51,400 that I thought, do you really think that you're the only 626 00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:55,360 person in your movie? In your own movies, there is 627 00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:57,680 ballet. In your own movies, there is 628 00:36:57,680 --> 00:36:58,960 classical music. Like what? 629 00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:01,840 What are you talking about? Your movie isn't just you. 630 00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:04,680 There is a million people behind you. 631 00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:07,600 Yeah, Timothy. You're grounded. 632 00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:16,560 Go to your room. So something I want to quickly 633 00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:20,600 discuss on here before we say goodbye, something else that 634 00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:26,320 happened during during our break, but has been an ongoing 635 00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:31,360 conversation for the past 15 years, I think is Neppo, Neppo 636 00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:34,960 babies, Neppo children. And it came up because Kate 637 00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:41,000 Winslet's son just wrote a story that has become a movie and she 638 00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:44,280 made a flippant comment. Again, it's a flippant comment. 639 00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:49,520 And and that just said like, it was so good, it would have been 640 00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:51,920 made anyway. No matter who I was. 641 00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:54,840 I didn't help him. My kids have carved their own 642 00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:58,600 journey, their own jobs, that my kids have carved their own way 643 00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:01,640 into this industry, which is a completely fine thing to say. 644 00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:06,760 This is not a bitching about Kate Winslet episode, but I will 645 00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:13,040 say from someone who has come from a background of you know 646 00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:19,040 there is a big difference between having a single mum 647 00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:22,800 being a nurse bringing you up and you trying to find jobs and 648 00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:26,800 work in this industry to someone who is a multi millionaire from 649 00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:31,160 Hollywood. Firstly, I I even had it in my 650 00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:32,360 year group. There were people in my year 651 00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:35,880 group who were not daughters of Kate Winslet but had very well 652 00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:40,040 off parents who would rent them an apartment in London and so 653 00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:42,800 they could spend their time going to auditions and open 654 00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:45,400 classes. Whereas when I moved to London, 655 00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:50,800 like quite a lot of people, I have to pay my own apartment out 656 00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:53,800 of my own money. My mother could not mother, my 657 00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:58,600 mom could not pay for my apartment, so I had to work at 658 00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:05,400 ZZS in Canary Wharf to be able to pay my rent, pay for my 659 00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:09,080 classes, and at some time in between all of that, have time 660 00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:11,640 to go to auditions. Now, obviously that puts you in 661 00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:15,720 a situation where you're not as in shape maybe as some of the 662 00:39:15,720 --> 00:39:18,600 rich kids because they're going to class every single day and 663 00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:21,880 you can't afford to do that. And also you cannot go to every 664 00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:23,960 single audition because you have to work. 665 00:39:24,240 --> 00:39:27,640 That's one side of it. The other side of it that's not 666 00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:32,240 discussed with these nepo babies, fine, let's say that we 667 00:39:32,240 --> 00:39:37,040 don't give them any money. You still know how the industry 668 00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:41,400 works. You still know as Kate Moss, 669 00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:47,720 Kate Winslet or the Kates. You know that at a certain age 670 00:39:47,720 --> 00:39:50,560 you have to get an agent. Then your agent will do this for 671 00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:52,320 you. Then you need a manager to do 672 00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:54,320 this. You know how the industry works. 673 00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:59,320 You can teach your your kids how the game is played, whether you 674 00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:01,880 introduce them to people or not. That's also another 675 00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:04,160 conversation. If let's just say you're giving 676 00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:08,080 them nothing, you still know how it works and you will have 677 00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:12,440 taught them that. I did not know when I graduated 678 00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:15,600 that there was such a thing as big as we spoke about this 679 00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:18,960 podcast before, as there's such a thing as a freelance ballet 680 00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:21,440 dancer working at Glenn Born Opera in summer. 681 00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:24,720 And you know I didn't. I knew there was being a dancer 682 00:40:24,720 --> 00:40:25,920 in a ballet company and that's about it. 683 00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:27,520 I didn't know how the industry worked. 684 00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:29,840 I didn't know all this kind of stuff. 685 00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:34,440 And having someone, having your own parent be able to show you 686 00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:38,080 the ropes of the industry is a step up and it's not a bad 687 00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:42,160 thing. But ignoring that it's there I 688 00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:45,640 think is. I think it's a bit silly because 689 00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:50,640 it's an obvious step up that you have been able to help your 690 00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:54,040 child and it's not a bad thing, but it is a thing. 691 00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:56,840 And then obviously introducing them to the right people at 692 00:40:56,840 --> 00:41:00,200 parties, introducing them to your agent, helping them that 693 00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:03,840 get that leg up in the industry is a big thing. 694 00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:06,480 Whether you're, you're not introducing them to Steven 695 00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:12,080 Spielberg at a party, but you being able to get their CV into 696 00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:17,000 an onto an agent's desk, onto a manager's desk, into APR 697 00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:20,080 company's desk is a massive step. 698 00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:23,560 Like we spoke about on this podcast before, I have sent my 699 00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:29,280 CV and my photographs my entire career to agents and 99.9% of 700 00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:31,120 the time I have never got a reply. 701 00:41:31,720 --> 00:41:33,960 And I've had 20 years in this industry and I have a hell of 702 00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:37,480 ACV behind me. So just because you're not 703 00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:41,800 giving them money doesn't mean they don't have a leg up in the 704 00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:43,960 industry. And I agree with all of that. 705 00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:48,520 I think it's it's layered or it's tiered rather, because in 706 00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:52,880 order for the parents to be influential and to aid their 707 00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:57,000 child or children, they generally come from a successful 708 00:41:57,000 --> 00:42:01,120 high profile, which in turn generates high income. 709 00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:06,840 So I think the money, the money situation aside, having access 710 00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:11,600 to money is always helpful, full stop, right? 711 00:42:11,720 --> 00:42:13,880 End of episode. Roll credits. 712 00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:19,920 So yes, having access to to wealth is always going to make 713 00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:22,560 life easier in some respects and simpler. 714 00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:29,120 But in term of nepotism, I let's say Kate Winslet, I think you're 715 00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:33,040 being too generous. I think potentially she she is 716 00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:35,400 introducing her child to Steven Spielberg. 717 00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:39,640 It's it's that obvious. And yes, C VS are landing on 718 00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:43,040 desks and and little notes are attached to say, you know, from 719 00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:45,280 Kate. I'm so sorry, Kate, we're using 720 00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:47,960 you as an example, but you did voice this publicly yourself. 721 00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:49,880 So This is why you're you're part of the episode. 722 00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:55,360 But, but it happens frequently, but it's the access from the 723 00:42:55,360 --> 00:43:01,400 parent that is getting the child into the profession, said 724 00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:04,400 profession of parents or similar creative profession, whether 725 00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:09,920 it's fashion or or film. And you have to acknowledge that 726 00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:15,160 it is a great leg up and it is an enormous advantage. 727 00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:20,920 So for her to say that was a little bit ignorant because, but 728 00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:23,120 I also believe she's very proud of her child. 729 00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:28,920 And maybe her interpretation was he would have succeeded with or 730 00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:31,360 without me. But that is not the point. 731 00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:36,080 The point is he does have you and you do get special access 732 00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:39,640 and that's the entire point. Without you, he may never have 733 00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:43,080 had the access and therefore. Exactly because her argument is 734 00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:46,040 he's very, very talented. He would have made it anyway. 735 00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:53,120 But sadly, Kate, as you well know, there are hundreds of 736 00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:57,920 fantastic actors, fantastic ballet dancers, fantastic opera 737 00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:02,040 singers, fantastic songwriters, fantastic artists, the list 738 00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:05,040 could go on that never are in the right place at the right 739 00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:07,120 time. And you were in a very lucky 740 00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:11,040 position to put your son in the right place at the right time. 741 00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:16,000 Yes, yes. If he had no talent then you 742 00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:18,200 putting him in the right place would not have helped. 743 00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:20,720 Yeah. So yes, it's not taken away from 744 00:44:20,720 --> 00:44:24,080 he's talented, however it did help him. 745 00:44:24,720 --> 00:44:30,760 And also, just to finish on this one point, talent, sometimes you 746 00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:35,080 have to show, show up and fulfil the job description. 747 00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:38,200 Otherwise it's very clear and obvious that you're not capable. 748 00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:44,560 But I'm pretty certain there are many, many people that are given 749 00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:48,800 opportunities that don't stand up and don't have the right 750 00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:54,000 skills because of their parents or of their connections. 751 00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:56,640 It happens all, it happens all the time, right? 752 00:44:56,760 --> 00:45:01,560 So, you know, so let's not, let's not pretend you know, that 753 00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:04,320 doesn't happen because it happens far too frequently. 754 00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:07,840 But when you've got mega star, you know, parents behind you, of 755 00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:13,400 course you're going to get that privileged higher access. 756 00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:16,760 It's just, it was just silly for her to deny it, I think because. 757 00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:18,720 Because it even happened. Just own it. 758 00:45:18,720 --> 00:45:19,720 Exactly. Just own it. 759 00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:21,040 Thanks to. Me. 760 00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:24,200 Thanks to me, I've managed to open so many doors. 761 00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:27,400 But he does have the skills. Exactly. 762 00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:28,560 You know that would have been a better. 763 00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:30,600 Conversation because it's the same in the ballet world. 764 00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:34,960 There are people who you know. We all know people who have, you 765 00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:37,440 know, who are older than us, who maybe have kids who also have 766 00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:39,000 come into the industry and stuff like that. 767 00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:42,280 And yes, these kids wouldn't be in the industry if they weren't 768 00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:46,440 very, very, very talented. The dance world, you can't not 769 00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:49,920 have the talent you need to be able to do the job on stage. 770 00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:54,880 However, getting in the room because you're mother was Damien 771 00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:57,720 Lee Sturk is going to help you. But you know what I mean? 772 00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:01,360 You have the access to swipe your door and get them into the 773 00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:03,560 audition at the Royal Opera House or whatever it is like. 774 00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:05,320 Go speak to the director. Get done. 775 00:46:07,240 --> 00:46:09,440 Do not tap Alessandro free on the shoulder. 776 00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:11,560 Give her a kiss on the cheek. What did I tell you? 777 00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:21,280 Well Denise, I am so happy to be back recording again. 778 00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:26,040 Oh, me too, and we've Facetimed quite a lot since last recording 779 00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:28,280 Season 3. But it's always nice to get on 780 00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:30,520 the mic and put the world to rights. 781 00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:33,760 Exactly. Now, both of our schedules are 782 00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:37,080 very different and are very flippant, so we cannot promise 783 00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:40,480 our listeners that there will be a new episode every single week 784 00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:43,120 in the coming months. However, we will try our best to 785 00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:46,320 give you a new episode as frequent as possible. 786 00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:50,880 That's right, we will try our very best, but we are very busy 787 00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:54,160 single mothers with three kids trying to keep down a corporate 788 00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:58,480 job at the same time as recording an award-winning 789 00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:01,440 podcast. Have we? 790 00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:06,120 Have we won any awards actually? Yes, the least awarded podcast. 791 00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:08,400 That's right. That's right. 792 00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:10,400 It was with Merrill. Merrill handed the award. 793 00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:12,120 She was very good. She was very, very funny. 794 00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:14,280 The podcast with the least amount of nominations. 795 00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:19,760 Yeah, outstanding. I think I I I heard from one 796 00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:24,520 person. All right, babes, Oh my God, 797 00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:26,920 it's been lovely. Chat again, everybody. 798 00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:30,640 Please share our podcast with your, with your present, with 799 00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:34,960 your fellow dance lovers and we'll be back very soon. 800 00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:38,720 Denise, always a pleasure. It's so lovely to be back with 801 00:47:38,720 --> 00:47:42,840 you all. Lovely chatting Poppy and we'll 802 00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:48,720 get back to it for more episodes and I'm still in shock we're on 803 00:47:48,720 --> 00:47:50,240 season 4. I can't believe. 804 00:47:50,240 --> 00:47:52,680 It I literally cannot believe how many episodes there are out 805 00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:54,440 there. It's it's kind of crazy. 806 00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:57,040 Anyway, Denise, we have to go bye.