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three dimensions got me bent and
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And I don't might have said a 
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pretending. 
And I don't really hold the key 

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and I can't really push a button
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and try my very best to bust it,
but I ran out of breath. 

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It's tight in my chest. 
My feet just might fail. 

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I can't stand up. 
Alright, what's good fam? 

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Welcome back to another episode 
of Racially Speaking. 

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It's me, your host David Phipps.
And look, Full disclosure, we're

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about to do a re record on this 
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I got my little brother, my guy 
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literally in the house in my 
living room tonight. 

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What's going on, man? 
What's up OG? 

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It was good to be back here 
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one. 
Yeah, I got to take that on the 

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chin. 
I'm hopeful that this is going 

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to be even better. 
And look, we're not scripted 

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here, but we're going to try and
recreate what I think was a 

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beautiful conversation we had a 
few days ago. 

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Yes. 
Sir. 

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It's on me. 
The audio, I wasn't with it with

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the audio went back to start 
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as as you all say, as the kids 
say, I was tight. 

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I was not happy. 
So the video look good and then 

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I was listening. 
I was like, yeah, this this 

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ain't coming through the mics. 
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speakers, which for the tech 
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So we got to rerecord this. 
But I'm excited, man. 

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Yes, Sir, I know it's going to 
be good. 

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And we got we got we got to 
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better. 
Yes, Sir. 

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With this it going to be, you 
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LeBron, you know, the the latter
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And Speaking of this is kind of 
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we're a day late or a couple of 
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The series is a little older, 
but trap something that has 

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united us from day one of our 
relationship, which we're going 

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to get into into the trenches 
with in this episode is of 

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course in great sweatshirt for 
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But is our is our love our not 
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lifelong Lakers fandom and both 
of us now I got some ears on 

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you. 
So those day ones were not the 

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same day, but still day one, 
like as as long as we've both 

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been alive. 
Shout out, of course, to the 

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GOAT Kobe Bryant. 
If you guys are if you guys 

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aren't watching, Travis got the 
Kobe sweatshirt on reppin. 

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He knew he had to bring that 
over tonight. 

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Trav, you want to let's start 
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We're gonna have to keep this 
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tip off tonight, game five with 
the Lakers. 

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Of course, when we recorded a 
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watching a 1045 tip off West 
Coast time the previous night. 

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So hey, they gave us an early 
tip tonight, right? 

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10 PM 10:00 PM. 
Look, you want to explain to the

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listeners a little bit about our
relationship as it as it goes 

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with how we discuss the Lakers. 
I think they'd be interested in 

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hearing that and the people who 
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know exactly what we're talking 
about. 

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Yep, exactly. 
Yeah, Yeah, I would love to do 

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that. 
So between me and OG, I both 

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believe we're both diehard Laker
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We love the Lakers, Kobe 
specifically, really like United

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us and like, you know, kind of 
like the tragic passion of him. 

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It was really like a bonding. 
Was gonna say we met pretty soon

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after he passed. 
Yeah, yeah. 

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Just maybe a year or. 2 after. 
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you know, because it was so big.
That united us for sure, and 

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just our love for the Lakers. 
But the dynamic between the way 

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that we talk about the Lakers is
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the people around us. 
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I'm pretty much always very 
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Lakers. 
We win maybe three games in a 

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row and I don't think we're 
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We win it at all. 
And I'll tell them. 

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I'll send a text to OG. 
I'm like #18 is on the way. 

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Put up the banner. 
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it's the complete opposite. 
The OG, he's like season's over,

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he's done. 
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and I'm like, oh, well, here's 
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They should have lost all like, 
here's all the reason they 

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should have lost. 
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fluke. 
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original, the original audio, 
you call me a realist. 

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Yeah, not a pessimist. 
You still feel that way? 

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I still feel that way. 
I believe maybe maybe some sort 

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of mixture there could be true, 
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He he, he definitely keeps me 
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expectations and, and reality 
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But he keeps it real. 
He's going to keep it a buck. 

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And however he's feeling, he's 
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And yeah, especially when it 
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keep it all the way a buck. 
If he thinks we're trash and 

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we're not, we don't have any 
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He's going to let you know. 
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that back and forth with that, 
that whole thing. 

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So yeah. 
I mean, I don't want to be this 

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way, you know? 
I mean, I want to live a life. 

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I want to live in your shoes and
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gotta I got this and work on 
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I gotta I gotta I gotta get the 
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think they can literally win 
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10/12/15 games in a row and I'm 
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mess it up. 
Yeah, we got, for those of you 

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guys aren't basketball fans, 
last year we got Luka Doncic in 

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the in the what's what's the 
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the dark of the night. 
I don't think that's it. 

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But it was out of nowhere. 
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the craziest trade in the 
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And the Lakers somehow got the 
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Oh yeah. 
Out of nowhere. 

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Out of nowhere. 
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And I think I saw you the next 
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course, like, like, Oh my, we 
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getting a chip this year. 
Like it's done. 

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We got Luca and somehow they 
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because I'm like, I, I still 
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there. 
I'm still like, Nah, we're gonna

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figure out a way to mess this 
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It's not that big a deal. 
Like here's how it's gonna go 

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wrong. 
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put up with that. 
Like man, like man, I appreciate

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you sticking it out with me 
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I'm like, I'm not talking to him
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This just brings me down. 
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if you, if you guys like truly 
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get of like watching the Lakers 
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and like text him and say like, 
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We looking good and it's always 
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Likewise, we'll get down like 10
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I'll text you just to bust your 
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Seasons with the with the period
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Season's over. 
Oh, man. 

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Alright. 
Well, most people didn't come to

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this. 
They just talk about the Lakers.

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That's true. 
Perhaps some of you guys did 

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shout out. 
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seriousness, our relationship as
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can use that as a springboard to
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I think it is a kind of a a 
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example snippet, if you will, of
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Yeah, look, Chad, when I, when I
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in Radford, you were a college 
student with the ministry, both 

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involved, involved with and both
work for now and then our 

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relationship is really special. 
Like I truly, I don't just throw

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that around lightly. 
Like I truly, and people know 

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this. 
Look at you as man, family, a 

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little brother. 
I'd do anything for you. 

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My, my, you literally just help 
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prayed over her like they love 
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You're like you're Big Brother 
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Caitlin. 
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and I and I've I've poured into 
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now work beside you doing some 
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year. 
I learned a lot from you and 

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pertaining to this, this 
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you know that I focus a lot on 
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with our faith. 
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all the time about this 
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Yeah. 
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Our relationship is one of the 
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think about the intersection of 
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balance each other out, being 
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being from different 
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different walks of life, 
different times following the 

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Lord and whatnot. 
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that crossover were both from 
757 area, but different areas in

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Norfolk, Hampton and different 
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I say all that because it's been
so cool meeting you, and some 

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people know the longer story, 
but I'll try to keep it pretty 

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short. 
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introduced to you through our 
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Brown, who's our brother as 
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And I met you at a place where I
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great. 
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Emotionally spiritual. 
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of the hardest times in my life.
And the Lord really used you and

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you know this in my life to help
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listeners. 
And so, but you came interested 

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in this whole Christian thing, 
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and desire to ask questions 
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racial justice, and how even 
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kind of intersected with what it
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Christian life. 
Yes, Sir, Yeah. 

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And that was some of a big part 
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navigating as somebody that even
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longer most of my life, but was 
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things and specifically a lot of
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how to navigate these things. 
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but I got there. 
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summarized the our initial meet 
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springboard for our relationship
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So I know you know all this, you
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And as time has gone on, what 
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our relationship, I'd say is 
that that's pretty good summary,

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right? 
100 Yeah, yeah. 

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I wonder and you know, this is 
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I'm going to expand even more 
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recording. 
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time I've asked you. 
I wonder what your perspective 

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is and all that. 
I know we kind of shared like 

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really broad things with each 
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don't think I really ever asked 
you like, OK, what, what were 

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I've kind of just just 
explained. 

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I think that was 100% like an 

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accurate way to put it and how 
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initiated and how it started. 
So I, yeah, I came with my 

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brother Kaitlyn. 
We already shouted him out but 

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me and Kaitlyn from the same 
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together and he was meeting with
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you know I. 
So OGOG is me. 

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Yeah, I did not. 
I did not deal myself that that 

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nickname, but I love it. 
But just so listeners though, 

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Trav did that on his own and I I
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I love. 
It yeah, yeah, always been that 

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it's that's a good thing to 
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interested. 
It was a very pivotal time in my

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life. 
Around that time, I just, you 

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know, I realized that I wanted 
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I was going through a lot, a lot
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things. 
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Kaitlyn to meet up with OG for 
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meeting him. 
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he talks about us first coming 
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felt like he gave his least. 
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through a really hard time 
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I'll never get tired of saying 
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that we would meet up and every 
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of us. 
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could just tell he's very 
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was talking about and getting to
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was like a burden on his heart 
and that he was very passionate 

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about it and I respected it so 
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like I was saved and the Lord 
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topics that I don't feel like 
we're talked about a lot just in

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tackle those or like talk about 
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Jesus? 
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to burden for that. 
And I just wanted to ask him so 

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many questions pertaining to 
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So it coming to him it, it truly
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he was so like it felt like he 
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and for me to like ask those 
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wheels turning on those things. 
And I genuinely felt like I 

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could go to him and, and just be
comfortable to ask him about 

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these questions about, you know,
the injustices that are 

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happening specifically in my 
community about the things going

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on in the world that are like 
touchy things, but really 

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important things. 
How did they bridge to faith? 

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So that that time was very 
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And, you know, the Lord 
definitely used you in so many 

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ways or just like answering 
questions for me and doing a 

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life with me and kind of walking
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And I'm still navigating through
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Like, I still wanna learn so 
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more I learned, I just don't 
know. 

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But yeah, that that's how that 
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time and how pivotal it was for 
me, if that makes sense. 

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Yeah, Yeah, I appreciate it. 
Let's let's have the beat the 

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the last of the putting me up on
any kind of pest not 

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appreciating that yet. 
I mean it to clarify, I mean, I 

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appreciate you sharing. 
Yeah, I was excited that you 

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were asking those questions and 
I felt like the Lord was using 

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me with what little faith I was 
coming to times, meeting with 

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you and and Cayman during that 
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But the Lord is using that even 
small desire to keep me afloat 

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because a lot of my wrestling 
with the Lord during that time 

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period was very much like, I 
know that there's a huge need to

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speak into this space, 
especially at that time. 

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People do the math 3 or 4, four 
years ago. 

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Yeah, it was a time and it was a
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just having a lot of identity 
crisis as well. 

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Like I've been walking with the 
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perhaps not for the first time, 
but it was really culminating in

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a lot of ways realizing oh man, 
everyone that is doing this 

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Christian community walk with me
doesn't see things how I see it 

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and how I believe is right to 
see it as Christians. 

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And that's not about me being 
right and knowing everything and

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other people being wrong about 
everything. 

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But just the heart posture was 
why am I having so much trouble 

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having conversations about being
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thriving and speaking up against
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world as Christians. 
So that was a lot where my 

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identity struggle was and to 
have you coming into my life 

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just out of nowhere with this 
desire to have these 

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conversations I took had to 
take. 

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I kind of maybe didn't even want
to because I wanted an excuse to

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kind of peace out from whatever 
I was doing, but I kind of took 

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it as, alright, well, whatever. 
This is clear, clearly 

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something. 
So where I'm at is going to be 

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used for something. 
I never knew how big it would 

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be. 
We'll get to that in a minute, 

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but that's where I was. 
So the excitement was also a 

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little bit of just kind of a, 
well, who knows what this will 

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be, but it's something more so 
than like, whoa, let's go for 

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this. 
It was just like, well, I'll do 

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whatever little bit I got yeah 
to give to give to this and let 

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yeah, I mean, let's keep going 
with that a little bit. 

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So Fast forward and we are 
really fast forwarding because 

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so much has happened. 
We're of course both part of 

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college ministry in little 
Radford. 

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I mean you specifically are are 
involved with really kind of two

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very thriving right now, all 
glory to God man, but like 2 

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very thriving multi ethnic 
communities right now in our 

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college ministry and then our 
church we go to kind of 

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coincided and grew a lot in this
area other areas too. 

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But in this area of just two 
kind of visions of what it looks

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like to cultivate and grow 
Christian community with also 

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the Part 1 of the main 
priorities being we want this to

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be a multi ethnic thriving 
community. 

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Exactly. 
Of course our church and our 

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Christian community and our 
college ministry is both doing 

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that and the Lord's got to do 
all of it. 

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But I think a lot of it by God's
grace has been through these 

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little conversations. 
We have had me, you OK, You 

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know, definitely many other 
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these little tiny conversations.
Yeah, in the midst of, for 

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example, like a you and I like 
you not really even really 

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following Jesus at all. 
And then me being like, I can't,

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I'm, I'm barely hanging on here.
Yeah. 

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So I say all that because we've 
kind of persevered through some,

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through some difficult things 
individually and together. 

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And I wonder also from your 
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really asked you this. 
Candidly over this bluntly, but 

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what would you say that's been 
like because I genuinely think 

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about this I I tell you this 
sometimes, but not maybe I 

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specifically, but what is it 
like? 

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Has it been like for you because
you are just you're overall not 

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just with the Lakers, but way 
more positive than I am his 

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personality maybe age some. 
But anyway, you, you're just, 

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everyone knows you were just 
like, like you're smiling right 

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now. 
If you can't see him like 

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smiling, you're always a 
positive guy. 

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I don't think most people 
describe me as that. 

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I'm, I'm not fishing for 
compliments. 

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It's just that is what it is. 
So I wonder what has been like 

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navigating even something a 
little more serious like racial 

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justice or injustice, however 
you want to say it, beyond the 

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Lakers racial injustice. 
Now being that with me over the 

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years, it's kind of pouring into
you 'cause as I've shared with 

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you, I struggle perpetually with
being too negative or bringing 

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something up like 
microaggression or I saw when 

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you experienced this or are you 
ever afraid of experiencing this

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when we go to, like, a 
conference or something? 

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Yeah. 
Or do you feel welcome? 

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Or do you feel like the black 
community feels welcome in our 

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spaces that we're both in, stuff
like that? 

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I struggle with insecurity, 
feeling like, am I just like 

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Charles happy, like his friends 
are happy? 

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Like, why do I have to bring 
this kind of stuff up? 

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I struggle with that, You know, 
that because I don't. 

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I'm like, man, like, why can't I
just like, like he's happy. 

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Everyone's happy. 
Why can't I just be positive, 

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Right. 
Yeah. 

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Like Trav or like Kay, like, 
like you guys, why do I have to 

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be like, oh, wait, hey, guys, 
let's let's look out for racism 

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today. 
I don't. 

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Do you like, no, do this for the
audience? 

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Like be honest? 
Yeah, I can hurt my feelings. 

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So I really want to know what 
that's been like navigating. 

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Yeah, it's for me, it's really 
helpful through the lens that 

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you look through because for a 
while, like even after coming to

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know Jesus, I felt like I was 
very ignorant and I wanted to 

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learn. 
Like, you know, you acknowledge 

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that too, but I felt like I was 
very ignorant to a lot of the 

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things that were going on in the
world. 

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And I just didn't want to be 
ignorant because I was afraid 

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that I would get into these 
conversations with other people 

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that maybe are very, you know, 
passionate or been affected by 

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these things, have been hurt by 
these things and that I can't 

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really love them or care for 
them the way to die. 

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I could if I, like, understood 
what exactly are they going 

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through, Especially the people 
in my community where it hits 

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home really close. 
Like, I just want to be 

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knowledgeable about these things
and, and learn just like you 

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like how to bridge that to our 
faith in Jesus. 

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But the, the reality of it is, 
is that like these things are 

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happening in the world. 
Like there are hard things 

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happening in the world. 
There are, you know, things that

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we have to talk about, issues 
that we have to tackle. 

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There is still racism, there is 
still injustices. 

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And that's just that's just the 
fact of the matter. 

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Like we always talk about it 
like after coming to know Jesus,

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like I always share with people 
like, you know, I'm always 

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smiling and stuff. 
I always have the joy. 

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But like things aren't cupcakes 
and rainbows. 

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And you know, there are issues 
that we have to navigate in this

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world that are not all always 
going to be like comfortable 

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conversations, but they're 
needed. 

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They're very needed and they're 
very necessary. 

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And if people, if you want 
people to feel seen and feel 

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loved and feel cared for and 
feel like considered, then these

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are issues that we have to talk 
about. 

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And I just didn't want to be 
ignorant like someone that was 

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maybe like, oh, this doesn't 
matter. 

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All that matters is US knowing 
Jesus, following Jesus, reading 

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our Bibles, praying, going to 
church, this is all that 

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matters. 
Like God is going to take care 

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of all of that at the end of the
age, right? 

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So that's kind of like my 
perspective. 

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And I feel like you gave me a 
new lens to like dig into these 

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things, to ask more questions, 
to actually research more and to

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figure out what's going on or 
like what's deeper than what's 

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being said at face value. 
So I don't know if that answers 

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like. 
You know, I mean, you touched 

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on, I mean, you touched on maybe
perhaps one of the biggest 

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things that comes up in these 
conversations for better and for

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worse. 
So you even just just in that 

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last little bit mentioned, I 
forget exactly what you said, 

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but you said in different words,
the whole let's just let's just 

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preach the gospel or like we can
all get together on this, 

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because that's what it that's 
what being Christian is. 

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It doesn't mean, you know, it's 
not exclusive, like, but like in

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inherently it is not an 
exclusive thing. 

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It's for everybody. 
Like Jesus Christianity is for 

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is for everybody. 
It's queer throughout all the 

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all the scripture. 
And so that's one thing. 

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And that's, of course, one of 
the main things that gets me so 

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upset when that is not agreed 
upon. 

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Right. 
Yeah. 

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And so I'd wonder you being a 
young, unapologetic Christian 

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black guy from from Hampton, VA,
like you're not somebody that 

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assimilates into other cultures,
which I want to ask you more 

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about, too, but you're just 
yourself, like, and everyone 

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knows that. 
And I think that's beautiful. 

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And so you being able to live 
that kind of life is what I care

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about as the older guy looking 
out for you. 

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Yeah. 
And so I'd wonder how you would 

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describe yourself being able to 
do that. 

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And has there been ever been a 
time like, where you felt it 

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00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:27,560
doesn't have to be? 
I'm not saying call somebody out

447
00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:31,760
or something like that, you know
that, but I mean, like, has it 

448
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:34,520
like say in your four years I've
known you and in the communities

449
00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:37,960
we're in always been like that 
or like, has there been a point 

450
00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:41,480
at any point where, as you said,
you've been starting to notice 

451
00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:46,200
these things that it wasn't just
as much as you believe and 

452
00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:48,920
anyone who knows you that's 
listening knows this about you 

453
00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:51,760
like more than anybody, you are 
all about everybody. 

454
00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:56,440
Like everybody, come on. 
Like, like you love everybody 

455
00:26:56,640 --> 00:27:00,400
and everyone's welcome around 
you and that's what you care 

456
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:03,440
about. 
And so has it. 

457
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:09,320
Has there been a point at all 
where the declaration or even 

458
00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:13,680
just feeling of, hey, we just, 
we just need to preach the 

459
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:18,400
gospel and stay away from 
talking about any kind of 

460
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:22,800
injustice or like a race issue 
or even worrying about that ever

461
00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:27,040
being a thing? 
Oh, yeah, Should come up. 

462
00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:29,880
Like, has there ever been a 
point where you're like, hold 

463
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:31,800
on, Like, yeah, even in your 
soul? 

464
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:36,560
Like, I don't know, like that 
seemed a little bit like that 

465
00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:38,200
wasn't for me. 
Yeah. 

466
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:40,120
OK. 
Yeah, for sure. 

467
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:45,680
I think being yeah, I've been 
walking with the Lord for about 

468
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:48,560
four years now and it's just 
crazy. 

469
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:53,560
Just time just flies by and, you
know, I've been able to be 

470
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:57,800
around brothers and sisters that
I love dearly and that I'm so 

471
00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:00,000
grateful for. 
And God has blessed me 

472
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:03,440
specifically in this area in 
Radford, VA, Southwest Virginia,

473
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:07,080
with just an amazing family in 
Christ. 

474
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:12,040
And also, you know, friends 
outside of the faith that I love

475
00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:15,000
and care about dearly. 
But specifically in the faith. 

476
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:18,800
I know I've had conversations 
over the years I can look back 

477
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:24,560
on now and say like, oh wow, 
like this was something this was

478
00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:28,600
something that they were not. 
I guess like realizing is an 

479
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:34,280
issue or specifically maybe 
impact me or the people around 

480
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:38,800
me because like, not even 
because they don't care, but 

481
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:42,720
they're ignorant and like it's 
not something that they believe 

482
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:45,560
is worth talking about, if that 
makes sense or having a 

483
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:49,800
conversation about. 
So like police brutality or 

484
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:53,400
something like that. 
Or just like any big issue that 

485
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:54,840
I know you're very passionate 
about. 

486
00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:59,680
Like to some brothers and 
sisters that I've talked to and 

487
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:04,440
comparison because they, they 
segregate the two and comparison

488
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:06,920
to us knowing Jesus and 
preaching the Gospel. 

489
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:11,720
This is, this is not, this is 
not, I guess, important or 

490
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:15,920
essential because at the end of 
the day, God is just and he's 

491
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:17,560
going to take care of all these 
things. 

492
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:22,320
But I, I truly believe, like I 
talked about earlier, that these

493
00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:24,240
things are important to talk 
about. 

494
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:27,920
These things are important to 
consider and a tackle and these 

495
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:30,640
things do need to be dealt with.
And while we're here on this 

496
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:35,120
earth, like, and as we bring 
the, the, the Kingdom of heaven 

497
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:39,320
to this earth, as we're walking 
alongside of the Lord, like he's

498
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:43,440
inviting us into this mission to
make his name known and to tell 

499
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:45,320
and make disciples of all 
nations. 

500
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:47,440
Like, I feel like this is very 
essential. 

501
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:50,280
These things are very essential 
to talk about, to tackle, 

502
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:53,760
because these are realities of 
the world that we live in. 

503
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:56,800
And if we're meeting these 
people and trying to love these 

504
00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:59,160
people, then these are just 
things that we have to talk 

505
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:01,080
about. 
So like that's, that's kind of 

506
00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:03,040
my response to that. 
That makes sense. 

507
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:07,080
That's something that I've 
realized over time of like, I 

508
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:09,160
just know. 
I know conversations that I've 

509
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:12,880
had and brothers and sisters 
that I've talked to that just 

510
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:16,440
bypassed it because they were 
kind of like, ignorant to it. 

511
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:19,680
And it's very interesting to me 
to think about that. 

512
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:21,720
So yeah. 
Giving you like specific 

513
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:23,480
examples. 
Again, not calling specifically 

514
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:25,280
well, but I just I think it 
would be helpful. 

515
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:30,960
Yeah, yeah, off the Dome. 
I shared a. 

516
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:34,000
If I'm being honest, I shared an
example last time. 

517
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:36,920
I can't remember. 
I do remember. 

518
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:38,600
Yeah. 
You remember what it was? 

519
00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:41,320
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
The hot dogs, yes, Yeah, share 

520
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:42,800
that. 
And you want to know what's so 

521
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:45,040
funny about that? 
Well, since then, what's funny 

522
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:49,600
to me is we've been to several 
cookouts and you showed me the 

523
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:51,880
hot dogs and they. 
Yeah. 

524
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:54,200
I mean, go ahead and share. 
You weren't kidding. 

525
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:59,280
Dude, this is this is actually 
so ironic because last podcast 

526
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:02,880
before we had the cookout, I 
talked about how some of my 

527
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:06,520
brothers and sisters in the 
faith literally did not 

528
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:09,560
understand why I like burnt hot 
dogs. 

529
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:12,640
And I was explaining it to him 
and I was explaining it to OG. 

530
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:15,760
I'm like, that was just the 
craziest thing to them and the 

531
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:19,320
world. 
Lo and behold, the Sunday comes 

532
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:22,680
up after that podcast that we 
shoot and I grabbed my brain hot

533
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:27,120
dogs and I get so many eyes. 
I get so many questions like 

534
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:29,200
trap, what what do you have on 
your plate? 

535
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:34,000
Like so I, I just thought that 
was super ironic, but that was a

536
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:37,960
silly example that I brought up 
of just like like maybe a 

537
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:42,760
brother or sister not really 
understanding and just like not 

538
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:45,240
being like judgmental, but just 
like you could tell they're just

539
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:47,200
like what? 
Like that doesn't even make 

540
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:50,400
sense to me. 
So that's a thing we cute 

541
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:52,960
confidently say like speak for 
your community and that like 

542
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:56,600
that's a thing that's not just 
like you and your family, but 

543
00:31:56,600 --> 00:32:00,400
that's like something that's 
happened that cook out in black 

544
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:03,120
culture. 
I I truly believe they might eat

545
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:05,280
me up. 
I truly believe that every 

546
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:06,520
single. 
Black can't speak on. 

547
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:07,640
Obviously I don't. 
I don't know. 

548
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:09,400
That's first I heard about. 
But when you show me the ones 

549
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:11,280
you're eating on Sunday, I was 
like, oh, those are. 

550
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:13,960
Burnt, burnt. 
Those were a little bit more 

551
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:18,840
crisp, OK, than the, you know, I
would say average hot dog that a

552
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:22,440
black person wants. 
But I can confidently say that 

553
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:25,800
every single black person and 
every single black family, once 

554
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:29,800
their hot dogs burnt a little 
bit more than usual. 

555
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:33,640
I can say that confidently, but 
I might get ate up. 

556
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:35,800
Somebody come at me if you want,
but. 

557
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:37,960
You're confident enough. 
I'm gonna have to, I'm gonna 

558
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:39,800
have to risk being ignorant and 
just ask people. 

559
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:42,600
I'm going to ask a mutual 
friends. 

560
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:45,600
But try said this. 
Yeah, in comparison to, you 

561
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:48,840
know, like really big issues, 
that was just like a silly, I 

562
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:52,160
don't want to like joke about 
like those issues. 

563
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:55,480
That was just an example of 
like, I would say like ignorance

564
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:58,680
that I've come across of like 
the different cultures and the 

565
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:00,960
different dynamic of cultures. 
So yeah. 

566
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:03,720
OK, yeah, let's let's get even 
more serious then. 

567
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:08,280
You brought it up, so I 
mentioned I never view you and 

568
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:14,920
your friend group as you guys do
not assimilate from my 

569
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:17,560
perspective in any of this, any 
of the spaces we're in. 

570
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:24,080
And I've seen you in a lot of 
social situations, really across

571
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:27,440
the board. 
I've seen you on small and big 

572
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:32,360
stages in videos, if you will, 
like you've been in front of a 

573
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:35,400
lot of people, you've been in 
front of not a lot of people. 

574
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:40,360
You never may you never 
simulate. 

575
00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:43,360
You don't code switch as far as 
I can tell. 

576
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:45,520
I wonder one, do you feel that 
way? 

577
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:47,360
And then 2. 
Are you conscious of that at 

578
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:52,920
all? 
It it's so funny because like 

579
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:56,440
honestly, I would I would say 
no, and I really appreciate you 

580
00:33:56,440 --> 00:34:00,000
acknowledging that. 
But even like the lingo when it 

581
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:03,760
comes to like the lingo that 
mean like K will use coming from

582
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:07,520
where we're from, it's like 
something that is so embedded 

583
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:11,159
into my language and like the 
way that I greet people and talk

584
00:34:11,159 --> 00:34:13,560
to people. 
And I can never see myself like 

585
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:17,679
switching up from that. 
For example, can I can I share 

586
00:34:17,679 --> 00:34:18,440
an example? 
Really. 

587
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:21,239
Oh yeah, absolutely. 
Say something, for example, like

588
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:25,120
me and KSL like cats. 
So like, you know, and people 

589
00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:27,520
say that all around the world, 
but when we first started 

590
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:29,719
meeting people here, they were 
like, they were laughing like 

591
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:32,679
what? 
Like cats, like, like, you mean 

592
00:34:32,679 --> 00:34:35,120
the actual animal cat, like the 
pet cat. 

593
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:37,960
And we're like, no, like we're 
addressing like a person that 

594
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:40,360
we're seeing. 
Like give like an example of 

595
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:42,840
people that don't know what you 
even got that really don't know.

596
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:46,960
So if I were to be talking to 
you and like describing somebody

597
00:34:47,639 --> 00:34:51,320
that I just saw or just talked 
to, I would say, oh, Gee, like I

598
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:54,400
was talking to them cats over 
there and they wanted to go hoop

599
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:57,320
later or something like that. 
Or like, oh, them cats tripping 

600
00:34:57,400 --> 00:34:58,640
or like, you get what I'm 
saying? 

601
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:01,760
And like when we first started 
like meeting people and saying 

602
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:04,360
that, we never stopped because 
that's just like how we talk, 

603
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:09,880
you know, cats a laugh and then 
they'll ask questions about it. 

604
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:11,960
Like what, what is that even 
about? 

605
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:16,840
So it's like it's funny and 
never have I, and I'm not trying

606
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:20,120
to, you know, talk about myself 
or boost myself up, but never 

607
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:22,800
have I even thought about, you 
know, assimilating or like 

608
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:26,200
changing myself because 
especially after coming to know 

609
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:28,760
Christ. 
So being so firm in my identity 

610
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:32,480
and who God has made me to be, I
never want to change and I never

611
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:36,120
want to change the you know who 
God has made me to be because 

612
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:39,640
there's beauty in that. 
And he's made me and crafted me 

613
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:43,760
and knitted me and formed all of
us and unique different ways and

614
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:46,960
different cultures and different
backgrounds to glorify him. 

615
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:49,000
Yeah. 
And, you know, to really show 

616
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:53,760
like the intentional God that he
is and how he sees all of us in 

617
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:54,920
unique ways. 
So. 

618
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:56,760
Yeah. 
Yeah, no, I love it. 

619
00:35:56,760 --> 00:36:00,640
And I mean, and I'd even go as 
far to say like if you would, if

620
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:04,440
if you had been, if I had 
noticed or like you had been 

621
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:07,720
somebody that was conscious of 
knowing these certain 

622
00:36:07,720 --> 00:36:10,760
situations. 
I do code switch and here's why 

623
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:14,000
I don't this might be 
controversial, but I I don't 

624
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:18,040
know if sometimes I just think 
code switching is even necessary

625
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:22,600
for survival. 
Yeah, for the job market, stuff 

626
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:24,160
like that. 
So like I don't necessarily 

627
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:28,760
always even to categorize it as 
all there that's somebody that 

628
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:34,400
is disingenuine for their gain 
in the like like manipulative 

629
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:36,920
way or something. 
Yeah, I don't like, I don't 

630
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:38,920
think it's always bad. 
That might be, I don't think 

631
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:42,640
it's controversial, but I think 
more it's a little different. 

632
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:46,320
I think I asked you about both, 
but I think assimilating is what

633
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:50,480
I just, I just don't want right 
from anybody. 

634
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:53,240
Like I just, and that's the 
whole thing with what majority 

635
00:36:53,240 --> 00:36:58,480
culture is and the whole 
hierarchy in the when you talk 

636
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:01,720
about racism and stuff like 
that, like we don't want anybody

637
00:37:01,720 --> 00:37:03,960
across the board having to us 
assimilate. 

638
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:06,120
But that's the whole thing of 
like having to is kind of the 

639
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:11,160
crux of what assimilating means 
of like needing to do it to get 

640
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:14,880
XY and Z and it's not like a 
monetary gain necessarily. 

641
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:18,600
It's AI gotta do this. 
So I'm gonna be put to the side 

642
00:37:18,720 --> 00:37:20,880
right type thing. 
So that's good. 

643
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:25,440
At the same time, man, I mean, I
admire, admire and seeing you 

644
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:29,560
and y'all's, you know, your 
generation and your generation, 

645
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:33,840
people of color and students of 
color specifically, I'm like and

646
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:34,960
at our church, you know, that's 
my whole thing. 

647
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:38,600
I'm like, man, I don't. 
I want people to come here from 

648
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:41,000
every background. 
There's some that, you know, 

649
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:46,280
they're definitely going to be 
very in the minority as far as 

650
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:47,640
their background, potentially in
culture. 

651
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:50,640
But like, I want as much as we 
can, yeah. 

652
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:55,760
I want this space to be a place 
where they can feel free to 

653
00:37:55,760 --> 00:38:00,640
flourish and to be their full 
selves and not assimilate into, 

654
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:03,920
you know, the dominant culture. 
That's good. 

655
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:08,040
And I think that's kind of what,
you know, is my, I don't know, 

656
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:11,360
mainstay, like main motivation 
and what, you know, what me, me 

657
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:12,200
and you do. 
Really. 

658
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:16,560
Yeah. 
Yeah. 

659
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:19,480
So we, we, we talk about this, 
these dynamics a lot. 

660
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:23,600
We talked about, I mean, we, we,
we hit the NBA at the beginning 

661
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:25,320
of this, but we talk about music
a lot. 

662
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:29,800
You get them out, you're, I 
mean, you grew up on this, but 

663
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:31,040
you're a hip hop fan. 
Yes. 

664
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:34,960
I wonder if you could give 
people like kind of a peek into 

665
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:37,080
your views. 
I mean, this is such a big 

666
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:40,040
topic, but we'll try and do some
of a little snippet of it 

667
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:40,960
justice. 
Yeah. 

668
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:48,080
What would you say to, you know,
as a hip hop fan, what would you

669
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:51,560
say to people that kind of 
misunderstand hip hop culture 

670
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:56,600
and specifically Christians that
perhaps view hip hop culture as 

671
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:07,800
as just debauchery, send 
drinking, sex, drugs and guns, 

672
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:10,960
even, like violence and stuff, 
and just kind of like put that 

673
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:15,320
to the side as all bad. 
And I mean, I'll be honest, 

674
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:19,840
attributed to black people, 
that's all they are. 

675
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:21,400
That's all that is. 
And that's what they like. 

676
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:24,880
Yeah. 
And we often white culture or 

677
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:26,720
other cultures are like, we're 
the those things. 

678
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:30,080
Yeah. 
Like what do you say to, I don't

679
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:32,920
know, people that might, even if
it's unintentional, have that 

680
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:35,240
kind of view and and correct me 
if I'm. 

681
00:39:35,240 --> 00:39:37,920
Wrong. 
But like honestly my opinion is 

682
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:39,920
is. 
And when I talk about that, I 

683
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:43,080
just talk about black culture 
because I feel like hip hop is 

684
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:47,480
literally like interwoven with 
the identity of black culture 

685
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:50,200
100% because. 
Of the influence. 

686
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:54,680
That it has like even to other 
cultures, the impact that it's 

687
00:39:54,680 --> 00:40:00,080
had on the black culture, black 
movies, like it's all like to me

688
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:04,920
interwoven and to kind of give 
context of like where I stand 

689
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:06,960
now. 
I listen to a lot of Christian 

690
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:08,600
rap. 
I just say that a lot of 

691
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:12,880
Christian hip hop and I truly 
thank God for our brothers and 

692
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:17,040
sisters that are like redeeming 
a lot of the debauchery that 

693
00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:21,120
people see in hip hop. 
The problem that I have is like 

694
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:26,720
we talked about this last time. 
Is that people, man, people will

695
00:40:26,720 --> 00:40:31,760
see, people will look at black 
culture and look at hip hop and 

696
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:35,920
basically like the identity of 
it and the face of it is 

697
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:39,400
ratchetness. 
Like it is, it literally is just

698
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:44,360
like brokenness and sin. 
And a lot of it is 100% like, I 

699
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:46,280
can stay in here. 
I can sit here and say you're 

700
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:47,400
not saying that. 
None of that's true. 

701
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:48,960
Yeah. 
Exactly I can see. 

702
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:52,360
Here and say that there are so 
many problems and so many issues

703
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:55,600
that we have in the black 
community and me growing up and 

704
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:58,760
like seeing that in the 
limelight watching BT watching 

705
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:02,680
106 and park watching my I mean 
my dad literally has thug life 

706
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:07,240
tatted on his rib cage like 
biggest Tupac fan ever like I 

707
00:41:07,240 --> 00:41:09,440
know all about it right, sorry 
about that. 

708
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:14,880
I know all about it, but like, I
think it's, I think it's, I 

709
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:19,880
think it's unhealthy, especially
like for us growing up. 

710
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:22,320
This is what I talked about. 
I'm trying to get back on track 

711
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:25,560
with that. 
You're getting of like the ways 

712
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:31,040
that we viewed our own culture 
growing up and what we attest to

713
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:34,880
the black experience because I 
think it's you mean like you 

714
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:38,600
the. 
As you view your own culture or 

715
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:41,240
how the outside yeah so I'll 
talk about I'll. 

716
00:41:41,240 --> 00:41:43,160
Talk about inside out and 
outside. 

717
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:47,440
OK, that makes sense for me. 
Like growing up and seeing all 

718
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:52,680
of that like it, it really felt 
like, oh, this is this is 

719
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:55,240
exactly what it is. 
Because you, you only know about

720
00:41:55,240 --> 00:41:57,560
you only know about what you see
and what you truly know. 

721
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:01,920
So like growing up seeing the 
music videos and seeing the 

722
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:07,320
Tyler Perry movies of like the, 
you know, destructive families 

723
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:12,360
with the baby Mamas with the the
dads not being there and like 

724
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:14,760
that's I mean, that's pretty 
much like all we would see 

725
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:17,400
growing up. 
So like that was that was the 

726
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:19,320
limit. 
Like that was the not the 

727
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:22,840
standard, but was like the 
reality of like, oh, like this 

728
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:25,960
just happens on everyday basis 
in our community. 

729
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:29,640
OK, so you so you did this last.
Time so you threw a little bit 

730
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:32,160
of shade at Tyler Perry for 
those for those portrayals. 

731
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:35,440
So which I think is, I mean, 
it's interesting, you know, Pat,

732
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:38,240
that a little bit like what is, 
why is? 

733
00:42:38,240 --> 00:42:42,720
That you think? 
Harmful to to forming people's 

734
00:42:42,720 --> 00:42:45,080
views of the black community 
with those consistent 

735
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:47,320
portrayals. 
Yeah, it. 

736
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:49,840
It is so funny. 
It is so funny. 

737
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:53,560
Like since the past podcast, 
like a lot of things that we 

738
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:57,200
were talking about, like I've 
actually like I've like heard 

739
00:42:57,200 --> 00:43:03,840
about or talked about again. 
So it's it's this one, this one 

740
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:08,840
friend I have actually, they go 
here and they're white and they 

741
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:12,120
told me about their family like 
watching Tyler Perry movies. 

742
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:14,160
And I was like, wait, what? 
Like this is so crazy. 

743
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:16,960
This happened since then. 
Like what? 

744
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:19,560
Like you guys watch Tyler Perry 
movies? 

745
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:21,280
And I was, I just talked about 
that. 

746
00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:23,800
They were like, yeah, like 
they're absolutely hilarious. 

747
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:27,000
Like they're funny. 
And like I immediately I was so 

748
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:29,760
thrown aback and so shocked. 
But then I started thinking like

749
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:35,320
pro, like that is so that is so 
dangerous to me because I think 

750
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:39,920
about the I guess like the 
context of Tyler Perry movies 

751
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:42,520
and like what they're in telling
about the black community. 

752
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:45,400
And every single time I watch 
it, I get a funny feeling 

753
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:49,040
because I'm just like, you can 
tell like this is a little bit 

754
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:53,760
of like this, this paralytic 
like type of humor, Like it's 

755
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:56,640
like parody. 
But at the same time, like, and 

756
00:43:56,640 --> 00:44:00,400
every single movie, like we're 
being portrayed in this way, 

757
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:03,880
like talking about the broken 
households and all of the 

758
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:06,160
craziness going on. 
You about to say something. 

759
00:44:06,240 --> 00:44:07,760
Oh, that's good, I was gonna 
say. 

760
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:12,680
Sure, that's interesting. 
I've I've seen maybe a couple. 

761
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:15,200
I'm not like well versed in 
Tyler Perry, but my I've I've 

762
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:19,800
had I do, I'm probably more 
familiar with them as a person. 

763
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:22,600
Not even his movies like I've 
heard a lot of his. 

764
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:24,800
I know he's gotten some hot 
water over the last couple of 

765
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:32,680
years, but he I've not viewed 
him as somebody that is trying 

766
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:35,880
to be. 
Trying to figure out how to say 

767
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:37,800
this like he's. 
Not trying to put down the black

768
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:40,360
community. 
He's very for it, like even 

769
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:43,360
financially seems to back it up 
and is like trying to uplift the

770
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:45,320
black community. 
So that's just an interesting 

771
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:47,360
thing. 
It's like, I think most of the 

772
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:50,240
times when people entertainers 
do what you're describing, 

773
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:54,280
there's just this like kind of 
nefarious or like manipulative, 

774
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:58,040
like, yeah, ulterior motive that
they're trying to be adjacent to

775
00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:03,160
honestly, dominant, wealthy, 
some often white culture on 

776
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:04,920
purpose and such as. 
Interesting. 

777
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:07,120
I've never I I don't know. 
I haven't seen enough Tyler 

778
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:10,000
Perry movies to to think that, 
but I understand exactly what 

779
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:11,840
you're talking about. 
What happens like, ah, man, 

780
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:14,560
like, why do you people think 
this is so funny? 

781
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:17,560
And this makes me I think how 
you said it feel a certain way. 

782
00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:22,080
Yeah, feel the way about some 
Asian films and Asian characters

783
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:23,800
out there in entertainment. 
But right. 

784
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:26,440
Anyway, yeah, go on, though. 
Yeah, it it's just. 

785
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:29,680
Like, and even if that's his 
motive or not, it's just like 

786
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:34,600
unintentionally like what is 
happening and the impact on the 

787
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:38,000
black community and how other 
people like, view us. 

788
00:45:38,240 --> 00:45:41,440
And that's like, honestly been 
my problem with it. 

789
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:44,840
And even my family, my family 
still loves Tyler Perry movies. 

790
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:48,640
Like they'll still want to watch
like a Diary of a Mad Black 

791
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:51,440
woman. 
And we, we used to watch that 

792
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:52,560
like all the time. 
Madea. 

793
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:55,480
Madea. 
Yep, diary of a mad. 

794
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:59,520
Black woman like my family still
loves it, but I I just feel like

795
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:03,000
the perception that the black 
community and the black culture 

796
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:06,880
has like from those movies, it's
just not consistently is not 

797
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:09,240
good. 
And that that was the thing I 

798
00:46:09,240 --> 00:46:12,560
was talking about last time that
I really find as important of 

799
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:17,880
like the the way that other 
cultures see us, especially like

800
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:22,640
growing up with black 
entertainment is always been 

801
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:25,080
like this one way. 
And we always had these black 

802
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:29,280
movies where somebody's dying 
or, you know, cats are in the 

803
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:31,400
street is selling drugs. 
And like I said, these are 

804
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:33,400
realities of the black 
community. 

805
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:37,160
But I feel like the percentage 
that they're showing of these 

806
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:41,360
things rather than the the good,
the good families, like the 

807
00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:44,720
maybe even the Christ centered 
families and you know, good 

808
00:46:44,720 --> 00:46:48,920
relationships and well, well off
families and, and put together 

809
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:51,720
relationships. 
I felt like I never seen that 

810
00:46:51,720 --> 00:46:54,520
growing up. 
And I felt like for other people

811
00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:57,280
and other coaches, they didn't 
whenever they were probably 

812
00:46:57,280 --> 00:47:01,120
watching a black movies, they 
didn't see that and the movies 

813
00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:02,680
that we were putting out and 
stuff. 

814
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:06,000
So it's like that's why I said 
like you only know about like 

815
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:07,920
what you truly know and what you
truly see. 

816
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:10,760
That's good. 
So yeah, I'm really passionate 

817
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:13,480
about that for sure. 
How do you feel about I got 

818
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:16,360
some? 
Of this from an episode of Past 

819
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:18,880
the Mic with Jamar Tismi and 
Tyler Burns. 

820
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:23,200
And they did an episode on kind 
of the it's, I think it's called

821
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:26,520
the myth of fatherlessness in 
the black community. 

822
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:30,080
And Pastor Mike, if not familiar
listeners, you should be this, 

823
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:37,080
you know, phenomenal, phenomenal
podcast focused on the black 

824
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:39,840
community and the Christian 
faith. 

825
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:48,960
And they they brought up that in
entertainment, kind of. 

826
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:53,480
You touched on it. 
But the issue is that people 

827
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:57,600
don't realize that even in 
these, this was entire Perry 

828
00:47:57,600 --> 00:48:00,640
like parodying stuff. 
It was more like even some of 

829
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:04,720
the quote UN quote good 
portrayals or like of the black 

830
00:48:04,720 --> 00:48:07,520
family in these black shows over
the years, like in sitcoms, 

831
00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:11,400
which seemingly is like, oh, 
this is a positive portrayal. 

832
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:14,680
Yeah. 
He said the issue with with the 

833
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:16,800
thing he had issues with, I 
think Tower Burns was talking 

834
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:20,440
about this is that the Dax and 
he's he's a black father. 

835
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:23,960
Tom Burns is a black father. 
Social Martisi is like the thing

836
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:26,880
they don't like is that the 
father figure in all these 

837
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:32,520
sitcoms over the years is always
this like outgoing, like, haha, 

838
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:37,480
like jovial, like jokey, kind of
airheaded type funny guy. 

839
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:40,920
And he's like, that's fine. 
Like some guys are like this. 

840
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:42,720
I'm not saying that like think a
bad thing. 

841
00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:44,560
Yeah. 
But is it what that portrays? 

842
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:48,680
Like that's what we all are. 
And there's, it's a monolith and

843
00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:53,360
there's no like there's. 
No. 

844
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:55,960
Variety is not the right word, 
but yeah, there's no. 

845
00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:02,640
Different kind of portrayals. 
Of, of a healthy father in a 

846
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:04,720
black family. 
That's not what you also 

847
00:49:04,720 --> 00:49:05,760
mentioned, like. 
Right. 

848
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:07,920
Yeah. 
Leaving his family or like in 

849
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:11,120
jail on drugs or like, shooting 
people up, something like that. 

850
00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:13,080
It's like those are the only two
portrayals. 

851
00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:15,800
And that's what's very harmful 
to how the rest of the world 

852
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:18,920
views the black community. 
Like, would you, like, do you 

853
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:20,360
agree with that? 
Like, what are your views on 

854
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:24,280
like, like Carl Winslow? 
Yeah, family matters. 

855
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:27,320
And I think about, like, Anthony
Anderson and Blackish is more, a

856
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:29,160
little more modern. 
Like what do you think that's an

857
00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:31,880
accurate portrayal or like, 
assessment? 

858
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:36,280
Yeah, it's. 
And and and you rarely get those

859
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:38,440
right. 
Like you, you literally rarely 

860
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:41,720
get those. 
And and even in I think about 

861
00:49:41,720 --> 00:49:44,360
it, Fresh Prince of Bel Air, 
like that was even a dad. 

862
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:46,920
That was Uncle Phil. 
Yeah, yeah, that was Uncle Phil.

863
00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:51,280
And I was still like clearing 
and their their dad, but the way

864
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:55,560
that portrayed him was like 
this, this rich, like not 

865
00:49:55,560 --> 00:49:59,480
snobby, but like this rich dad 
that, you know, even the one 

866
00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:00,480
we're not supposed to talk about
the. 

867
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:03,520
Biggest name, probably initials 
BC Like what? 

868
00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:05,520
Like, yeah, that kind of 
portrayal. 

869
00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:07,200
Yeah. 
I don't know, like what do you 

870
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:10,960
do? 
You feel one way or the other. 

871
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:14,240
Like, do you enjoy watching like
those shows or have you ever? 

872
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:19,720
It's funny because like. 
You want to know, actually, this

873
00:50:19,720 --> 00:50:23,920
is my response to it. 
Watching those shows, I was 

874
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:26,680
like, OK, I'm seeing this on the
screen. 

875
00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:30,120
But I don't even think this is 
like, I don't even think this 

876
00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:33,520
could be real. 
Like to me truly like watching 

877
00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:37,920
Carl, Carl Winslow and watching 
Uncle Phil, I'm like, yeah, this

878
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:40,760
is just, we mean not we mean. 
Like I'm talking about. 

879
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:44,600
I'm talking about. 
Genuinely like in and the black 

880
00:50:44,600 --> 00:50:47,040
community, like I'm like, is 
this even? 

881
00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:49,760
Could this even be like a true 
thing or a real thing? 

882
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:53,800
You know, I'm saying because 
like it was so it was so like 

883
00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:55,320
rare. 
That makes sense. 

884
00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:58,480
Like it was only like two or 
three different examples of 

885
00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:00,440
that. 
But every everything else that I

886
00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:04,640
was watching and everything else
that was coming out, like in 

887
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:07,320
terms of black entertainment was
the absolute opposite. 

888
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:11,520
Like there weren't any dads and 
there weren't, like, there 

889
00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:14,320
weren't like the rich black dads
that were taking care of their 

890
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:16,680
children and everybody else in 
the house and everything was 

891
00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:17,680
good at that. 
Makes sense. 

892
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:20,280
So yeah, Yeah, Yeah. 
Alright. 

893
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:21,520
I'm gonna pressure you a little 
bit because I. 

894
00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:23,680
Feel like I don't think you 
meant to do this, but think 

895
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:28,440
explaining that kind of 
assessment might. 

896
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:29,760
And I don't think we have a lot 
of these. 

897
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:32,160
I have a lot of these types of 
listeners but might hear 

898
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:35,680
something like that and think. 
Oh well, that. 

899
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:39,120
Kind of backs up this whole 
stereotype of like I mentioned, 

900
00:51:39,120 --> 00:51:41,600
that Pastor Mike episode was 
called the myth of following 

901
00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:42,520
this. 
There's this. 

902
00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:47,280
I don't know how familiar you 
are with this, but there's is 

903
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:48,360
that. 
Myth out there. 

904
00:51:48,720 --> 00:51:54,960
And it's very relevant today, 
like politically, you know, a 

905
00:51:54,960 --> 00:52:00,160
specific party loves to say 
racism towards the black 

906
00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:04,400
community largely exists. 
Number one reason because of 

907
00:52:04,600 --> 00:52:08,320
black fathers leaving their 
families and not being around. 

908
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:14,360
Yeah, not police brutality, not 
inequity in salaries, not 

909
00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:20,840
redlining, not voting 
restrictions, not wealth gap, 

910
00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:25,840
not. 
Education disparity. 

911
00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:28,640
None of that stuff, it's on. 
It's on the black community 

912
00:52:28,640 --> 00:52:31,560
because fathers are leaving and 
abandoning their families. 

913
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:35,520
So I don't think you believe you
believe this. 

914
00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:43,320
But to me, the danger, and I 
mean danger I'm believing that 

915
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:49,040
is it puts, it explains racism 
away and it puts it puts it, it 

916
00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:51,280
blames y'all. 
It blames the black community. 

917
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:52,560
Like, hey, this is y'all's 
fault. 

918
00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:55,040
Like, figure it out. 
Yeah, here's the data. 

919
00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:58,960
Like I don't know what, like 
what would you say? 

920
00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:04,400
To to people that. 
That think that why is that Oh I

921
00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:08,000
don't know what would you say to
that myth yeah to kind of dispel

922
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:11,120
it from your point of view yeah 
and, and when. 

923
00:53:11,120 --> 00:53:13,440
I was talking about like this is
not even real. 

924
00:53:13,640 --> 00:53:18,520
I was talking about that 
specific like depiction of like 

925
00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:22,720
the father and who like who they
are and just like their 

926
00:53:22,720 --> 00:53:24,520
personalities and stuff like 
that. 

927
00:53:24,520 --> 00:53:28,360
That wasn't me saying like this 
isn't a reality that like black 

928
00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:30,240
fathers are there in the 
household. 

929
00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:32,440
If you get what I'm saying. 
No, that's a great, that's a 

930
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:33,840
great credit. 
Fire, Yeah, yeah. 

931
00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:35,800
So that's. 
Pretty much like what I was 

932
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:37,880
talking about. 
But I think, yeah, that is 

933
00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:41,040
dangerous. 
Like, like that narrative that 

934
00:53:41,040 --> 00:53:44,680
like, oh, This is why all of 
this happens because like, you 

935
00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:47,960
constantly have black dads that 
are walking away from their 

936
00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:51,360
household. 
I don't think that's like all 

937
00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:53,360
the way genuine. 
I don't think that's all the way

938
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:56,120
like true. 
There's a lot of holes in that. 

939
00:53:56,480 --> 00:53:59,680
And yeah, that is dangerous. 
I think that is harmful for 

940
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:00,600
sure. 
Yeah. 

941
00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:02,920
And miss, miss misinforming. 
Yeah. 

942
00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:05,200
So, yeah. 
What would you say? 

943
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:07,640
Would you be able to, I mean, 
explain that like, let's just 

944
00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:10,800
say I don't know all the stats 
off the top of my head, but 

945
00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:12,880
like, let's say, and I think 
you've even acknowledged some of

946
00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:15,160
this, some of your experience, 
some of even some of your 

947
00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:18,160
friends experiences and in your 
community, Like what if like, 

948
00:54:19,680 --> 00:54:25,040
let's say the numbers show that 
that is true in a sense of like 

949
00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:29,200
there's disparity in the amount 
of fatherlessness in the black 

950
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:32,120
community versus white 
community. 

951
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:34,480
I don't know. 
I I don't know that for sure, 

952
00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:37,160
But I think you've touched on 
how you're like you're not 

953
00:54:37,160 --> 00:54:40,560
denying there are certain things
in the black community that are 

954
00:54:41,240 --> 00:54:43,640
you're not saying nothing is 
true or happening. 

955
00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:45,560
Oh yeah. 
I think we're trying to be queer

956
00:54:45,560 --> 00:54:49,360
me and you right now that the 
danger is attributing that to a 

957
00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:51,600
people group. 
Yeah, Like that's who y'all are.

958
00:54:51,600 --> 00:54:54,520
Yes. 
So yes, I don't know. 

959
00:54:54,520 --> 00:54:56,400
Maybe I kind of helped. 
Answer our question, but like 

960
00:54:56,400 --> 00:55:01,600
how would you? 
Explain that to somebody. 

961
00:55:02,320 --> 00:55:05,480
Maybe somebody that's more well 
versed then you and I are are 

962
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:08,680
are on like stats or like look 
but like why does this exist 

963
00:55:08,680 --> 00:55:12,720
then like why are? 
This large number of black 

964
00:55:12,720 --> 00:55:15,960
fathers. 
Across the country or fan by 

965
00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:19,400
families without a father in the
house versus all these other 

966
00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:22,920
demographics like yeah, I don't 
know, that's a big question. 

967
00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:24,680
I'm putting you on the spot, but
does that make sense? 

968
00:55:24,680 --> 00:55:28,240
Yeah, but I think. 
This would even help me, but to 

969
00:55:28,240 --> 00:55:32,120
help out, one thing that we're 
talking about was the Preston 

970
00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:36,040
Perry thing and that kind of 
that kind of bridge the gap to 

971
00:55:36,040 --> 00:55:39,560
this whole conversation of if 
you guys don't know, would you 

972
00:55:39,560 --> 00:55:40,880
like to like break that down? 
Yeah. 

973
00:55:41,160 --> 00:55:43,280
Well, that's a great out that's.
I knew there's one thing I 

974
00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:45,360
forgot to ask you about again, 
but yeah, you had brought up 

975
00:55:45,360 --> 00:55:49,480
recently listening to he's, I 
guess he's, I'd say public 

976
00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:52,760
theologian Preston Perry. 
He's on social media. 

977
00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:59,080
He's a poet, speaker, artist, 
podcaster, kind of like a social

978
00:55:59,080 --> 00:56:01,200
critic. 
He's married to Jackie Hill 

979
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:05,040
Perry, who between the two of 
them, I think are just 

980
00:56:05,360 --> 00:56:09,400
phenomenal communicators. 
Yes, especially Jackie. 

981
00:56:11,240 --> 00:56:14,360
She's a rapper, writer, speaker,
pastor, theologian. 

982
00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:19,280
They podcast together just it's,
I mean, communicates things 

983
00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:23,200
we're talking about masterfully,
yes, but. 

984
00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:25,760
You brought up. 
Recently I didn't, and I didn't 

985
00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:27,440
have a chance to ask you about 
it 'cause you brought it up a 

986
00:56:27,560 --> 00:56:30,960
way around other people and just
one of the time. 

987
00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:36,240
But you mentioned hearing 
Preston Perry talk about how he 

988
00:56:36,240 --> 00:56:39,680
explained to somebody or 
navigates being. 

989
00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:42,960
Fully himself. 
As a black Christian, yes, but 

990
00:56:43,040 --> 00:56:46,800
he was kind of having to combat 
somebody saying, oh, well, you 

991
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:49,360
embracing all of your black 
culture is actually anti 

992
00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:50,280
Christian. 
Yeah. 

993
00:56:50,280 --> 00:56:53,720
And there's something sinful you
shouldn't be doing that, right? 

994
00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:55,720
And you said that was helpful to
hear. 

995
00:56:55,720 --> 00:56:58,280
So I wonder if you could, yeah, 
explain that a little bit, why 

996
00:56:58,280 --> 00:57:00,160
that was, why that stood out to 
you. 

997
00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:03,200
That definitely helped me. 
Coherently kind of like put 

998
00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:04,920
together, like what I was 
talking about, what I'm 

999
00:57:04,920 --> 00:57:07,920
passionate about. 
So yeah, like he was kind of 

1000
00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:12,360
rebuttaling and combating the 
Christ over culture narrative 

1001
00:57:12,360 --> 00:57:15,320
basically, and people were upset
with him. 

1002
00:57:15,640 --> 00:57:19,120
But like what he was basically 
saying was just like, no, like 

1003
00:57:19,120 --> 00:57:24,720
God created us and our specific 
unique cultures to glorify him. 

1004
00:57:24,720 --> 00:57:29,360
And I think about Revelation 79 
talking about every tribe, every

1005
00:57:29,360 --> 00:57:32,840
tongue, every nation worshipping
the Lord, like saying salvation 

1006
00:57:32,840 --> 00:57:37,720
belongs to our Lord around his 
throne in heaven and how 

1007
00:57:37,720 --> 00:57:42,120
important that is in like that. 
We don't like we don't have a 

1008
00:57:42,120 --> 00:57:47,600
guide who wants us to disband 
our culture and the absolutely 

1009
00:57:47,600 --> 00:57:51,160
negated and push it away, but to
actually embrace our culture 

1010
00:57:51,560 --> 00:57:54,080
through the lens of glorifying 
Christ through our culture. 

1011
00:57:54,080 --> 00:57:58,400
But the problem is people, 
people are here pressing period.

1012
00:57:58,400 --> 00:58:03,040
Say that and say, oh, that means
he's embracing all of these 

1013
00:58:03,040 --> 00:58:06,080
debaucherous things and sinful 
things about our culture. 

1014
00:58:06,080 --> 00:58:09,840
And that leads back to the hip 
hop conversation and back to 

1015
00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:12,800
like how black, black cultures 
portrayed. 

1016
00:58:13,600 --> 00:58:15,440
Yeah. 
So like they'll hear him say 

1017
00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:19,480
that and think, oh, that means 
you're embracing the the 

1018
00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:23,760
ghettleness, the rationalist, 
the guns, the sex, all of this, 

1019
00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:26,120
all of these things. 
But that's just absolutely not 

1020
00:58:26,120 --> 00:58:27,760
true. 
What did he say? 

1021
00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:29,360
Like how did he? 
Explain it 'cause I'm I'm 

1022
00:58:29,360 --> 00:58:32,280
assuming what they was he being 
accused of embracing his full 

1023
00:58:32,280 --> 00:58:34,720
black culture is like, like what
aspects of it? 

1024
00:58:34,760 --> 00:58:37,360
I'm sure it wasn't. 
I'm sure he wasn't trying to 

1025
00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:39,080
stand 10 toes down and being 
like. 

1026
00:58:40,520 --> 00:58:44,800
Yes, like I, you know. 
I I don't know, I'm fully 

1027
00:58:44,800 --> 00:58:46,440
embracing. 
Yeah, like you said all the 

1028
00:58:47,640 --> 00:58:51,640
cliche hip hop things like on 
sex and drugs stuff. 

1029
00:58:51,640 --> 00:58:53,800
I'm I'm sure it was a lot more 
like why are you? 

1030
00:58:54,920 --> 00:58:56,880
I think my assumption is like, 
was he embracing? 

1031
00:58:56,880 --> 00:59:01,360
Like, I don't know, like I feel 
like sometimes people say this 

1032
00:59:01,360 --> 00:59:03,400
even if you're like embracing, I
don't know what his full 

1033
00:59:03,400 --> 00:59:06,640
background is, but if even if 
you're embracing like African 

1034
00:59:06,640 --> 00:59:09,880
culture, I don't know, like 
what, what exactly was he even 

1035
00:59:09,880 --> 00:59:11,840
defending? 
And I don't even want to. 

1036
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:14,960
Try to verbatim say what he said
and mess up his words. 

1037
00:59:15,200 --> 00:59:18,640
But one example he brung up and 
it kind of brings back like the 

1038
00:59:18,640 --> 00:59:21,760
simulation talk that you were 
talking about, like assimilating

1039
00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:27,120
and like all, I guess, like all 
cultures and and this is this is

1040
00:59:27,120 --> 00:59:29,960
what I'm passionate about too. 
Like I truly believe all coaches

1041
00:59:29,960 --> 00:59:33,760
can come together and truly 
worship the Lord and unique ways

1042
00:59:33,760 --> 00:59:35,400
he had brung up the black church
thing. 

1043
00:59:35,640 --> 00:59:39,200
Like how would black pastors say
God is good and then the 

1044
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:42,800
congregation says all the time, 
all the time God is good. 

1045
00:59:43,160 --> 00:59:47,920
He said if you say that, if you 
go to a white church and you say

1046
00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:50,760
that, most of the time he's not 
gonna get a call in response. 

1047
00:59:50,760 --> 00:59:51,640
He was. 
Amen. 

1048
00:59:51,640 --> 00:59:53,360
Hallelujah. 
Like it. 

1049
00:59:53,360 --> 00:59:56,120
That's just like he was talking 
about like the uniqueness of 

1050
00:59:56,120 --> 00:59:58,800
that and the beauty of that and 
how he can embrace that and 

1051
00:59:58,800 --> 01:00:02,280
embrace like the difference in 
that, basically. 

1052
01:00:02,360 --> 01:00:04,800
Yeah. 
So yeah, that's what I just I. 

1053
01:00:04,800 --> 01:00:08,120
Mean I would have assumed he was
talking about but it it doesn't 

1054
01:00:08,120 --> 01:00:13,160
surprise me, but it irks me a 
little bit to know that I'm sure

1055
01:00:13,160 --> 01:00:15,960
it was other Christians that 
were telling him, Oh yeah, you 

1056
01:00:15,960 --> 01:00:18,920
should like shouldn't do that. 
I think that's a great example 

1057
01:00:18,920 --> 01:00:22,200
because I think that is often 
just what you mean. 

1058
01:00:22,200 --> 01:00:25,800
What I mean when I'm like, when 
I'm like, no man, I want 

1059
01:00:26,520 --> 01:00:31,120
everyone to feel like they can 
be their full selves right in 

1060
01:00:31,120 --> 01:00:34,600
these spaces and specifically 
spaces of worship. 

1061
01:00:36,520 --> 01:00:42,440
And I mean just the hard truth 
is people of color historically 

1062
01:00:42,440 --> 01:00:46,080
and still today. 
Have to assimilate. 

1063
01:00:47,120 --> 01:00:49,920
Into these spaces a lot more 
into dominant white culture. 

1064
01:00:49,920 --> 01:00:51,680
Yeah, more than the other way 
around. 

1065
01:00:51,680 --> 01:00:53,840
That's just facts. 
If you don't, you know, if you 

1066
01:00:53,840 --> 01:00:56,680
don't believe that, I strongly 
recommend you check yourself a 

1067
01:00:56,680 --> 01:00:58,560
little bit because it's just 
that's our true. 

1068
01:00:58,560 --> 01:00:59,920
And I've seen it with my own 
eyes. 

1069
01:01:00,640 --> 01:01:03,720
And I think one of the one of 
the best examples and I've seen 

1070
01:01:03,720 --> 01:01:06,920
as there's been growing pains in
some of the spaces we've been in

1071
01:01:06,960 --> 01:01:13,360
is when a conference, for 
example, one particular year, I 

1072
01:01:13,360 --> 01:01:17,960
think it might as before I even 
really knew you, I was at this. 

1073
01:01:17,960 --> 01:01:19,480
Conference and now you're. 
Familiar with. 

1074
01:01:19,480 --> 01:01:24,680
But you weren't there yet. 
But the room was just a lot more

1075
01:01:24,680 --> 01:01:27,560
diverse, a lot more people of 
color, a lot more black people 

1076
01:01:27,920 --> 01:01:30,600
familiar with the black church. 
Was was in the room. 

1077
01:01:30,600 --> 01:01:33,920
And the speaker, somebody we 
both know was. 

1078
01:01:34,440 --> 01:01:36,680
And he and this guy, I've heard 
him speak for years. 

1079
01:01:36,680 --> 01:01:39,360
Yeah. 
Is a black. 

1080
01:01:39,360 --> 01:01:44,560
I mean, is speaks as if he is a 
black preacher in a black church

1081
01:01:44,840 --> 01:01:46,480
regardless who the audience is. 
Yeah. 

1082
01:01:47,360 --> 01:01:50,320
And he adjusts, but he's going 
to be himself. 

1083
01:01:50,360 --> 01:01:51,600
Yeah. 
And I love it. 

1084
01:01:51,600 --> 01:01:55,600
He's done it for decades. 
And I'm in the specific year. 

1085
01:01:55,600 --> 01:01:59,760
Like some of the schools that 
were there were like, there's a 

1086
01:01:59,760 --> 01:02:02,880
lot of black students and the 
room felt different than other 

1087
01:02:02,880 --> 01:02:05,200
years when I've been in there. 
And there was a lot more calling

1088
01:02:05,200 --> 01:02:07,320
response, a lot more amens, a 
lot more standing up. 

1089
01:02:08,280 --> 01:02:13,440
I mean, like, you know, wiping 
sweat off their brow 'cause 

1090
01:02:13,440 --> 01:02:16,240
they're like, so into it. 
Like, I mean, clapping and. 

1091
01:02:16,960 --> 01:02:20,120
And, you know, the tension was 
palpable. 

1092
01:02:20,200 --> 01:02:24,600
Yeah, because the predominant 
culture in the room was not 

1093
01:02:25,160 --> 01:02:28,040
loving it and you can feel it. 
And I had some conversations 

1094
01:02:28,040 --> 01:02:31,560
even afterwards, some people lit
with some some well meaning 

1095
01:02:31,960 --> 01:02:35,240
white students. 
Being really turned. 

1096
01:02:35,240 --> 01:02:39,520
Off by and even a little worked 
up and just kind of attributing,

1097
01:02:39,520 --> 01:02:44,720
attributing it to with this 
language of they like to show 

1098
01:02:44,720 --> 01:02:46,240
off. 
They don't need to do that. 

1099
01:02:46,240 --> 01:02:49,800
They shouldn't do that. 
And I think those are just 

1100
01:02:49,800 --> 01:02:52,440
examples that are helpful to 
point out. 

1101
01:02:52,800 --> 01:02:55,280
Yeah. 
Because, you know, because now 

1102
01:02:55,720 --> 01:02:57,320
keep it real. 
Like, that's not what I grew up 

1103
01:02:57,320 --> 01:02:59,640
around either. 
I grew up around white culture. 

1104
01:02:59,640 --> 01:03:01,800
And a lot like that was not my 
style worship. 

1105
01:03:03,480 --> 01:03:05,680
But in this conversation, I had 
to kind of, you know, I was 

1106
01:03:05,840 --> 01:03:10,800
talking to people like, look, 
1:00 We, we need to change our 

1107
01:03:10,800 --> 01:03:15,880
language and even how we embrace
this kind of thing of like being

1108
01:03:15,880 --> 01:03:19,760
thriving multicultural 
atmosphere in a Christian space,

1109
01:03:19,760 --> 01:03:22,160
especially places of worship. 
Because what you're really 

1110
01:03:22,160 --> 01:03:25,320
saying is no, you, that's not 
your preference and that's not 

1111
01:03:25,320 --> 01:03:28,680
what you were used to. 
And what you're failing to do is

1112
01:03:28,680 --> 01:03:32,200
recognize, do you not? 
See how? 

1113
01:03:32,200 --> 01:03:35,880
Empowering it is for another 
culture who has been 

1114
01:03:35,880 --> 01:03:40,440
marginalized for who knows how 
long to feel empowered and seen 

1115
01:03:40,560 --> 01:03:48,000
by the person upfront, right? 
Embracing and speaking in in 

1116
01:03:48,000 --> 01:03:51,160
their culture. 
And think about all these years,

1117
01:03:51,160 --> 01:03:53,920
like before this year, that you 
came to all these spaces and it 

1118
01:03:53,920 --> 01:03:55,560
was exactly how you were used to
it. 

1119
01:03:57,120 --> 01:04:00,120
That's what assimilation is. 
Like everyone else, this room 

1120
01:04:00,120 --> 01:04:02,480
could look exactly the same, 
actually. 

1121
01:04:02,480 --> 01:04:06,280
But you didn't see that because 
it you'd assimilated or they had

1122
01:04:06,280 --> 01:04:09,240
assimilated to what you like. 
That's good. 

1123
01:04:09,360 --> 01:04:10,160
Yeah. 
So that. 

1124
01:04:10,160 --> 01:04:13,160
Was years ago and it's. 
Kind it's got you know still 

1125
01:04:13,160 --> 01:04:18,120
ways to go but it's gotten you 
know that room continued to grow

1126
01:04:18,120 --> 01:04:21,400
in diversity and is there's a 
lot of positive things I've seen

1127
01:04:21,400 --> 01:04:26,200
and that is a lot more multi 
ethnic multi yeah yeah multi 

1128
01:04:26,200 --> 01:04:31,120
multi ethnic and. 
I I love. 

1129
01:04:31,120 --> 01:04:34,240
Seeing that I got some years on 
you, but I love seeing that 

1130
01:04:34,240 --> 01:04:35,800
because like I said, you weren't
there yet. 

1131
01:04:35,800 --> 01:04:38,880
And so I think you can't kind of
came into my life and then these

1132
01:04:38,880 --> 01:04:44,200
communities were in I just a 
sweet time where you you could 

1133
01:04:44,200 --> 01:04:46,920
kind of enter in and kind of 
usher this in, but you kind of 

1134
01:04:46,920 --> 01:04:48,960
also benefited from in a good 
way of life. 

1135
01:04:49,680 --> 01:04:51,200
In some ways. 
It's kind of all you knew. 

1136
01:04:51,280 --> 01:04:54,120
Like you've seen a ton of 
growth, but some of it was like 

1137
01:04:54,120 --> 01:04:56,040
all you knew. 
And so I'd even wonder like, 

1138
01:04:56,040 --> 01:05:00,480
man, certain years, like I'm 
like, man, I don't even know if 

1139
01:05:00,480 --> 01:05:03,400
I would have been like, yeah, 
this is a place for you, man. 

1140
01:05:04,320 --> 01:05:07,800
And so I'm, I'm incredibly 
thankful for just the timing. 

1141
01:05:08,160 --> 01:05:10,880
Yeah, when when even I kind of 
ran into you because like, 

1142
01:05:10,880 --> 01:05:14,560
honestly, some years I might 
have been like, Dang. 

1143
01:05:14,560 --> 01:05:15,720
Actually, I don't. 
I don't even. 

1144
01:05:15,720 --> 01:05:18,080
Know if I'd say stick around 
because we're not a place where 

1145
01:05:18,080 --> 01:05:19,560
you're gonna be able to be fully
yourself. 

1146
01:05:19,560 --> 01:05:22,360
You'll feel like safely you 
could be yourself without 

1147
01:05:22,360 --> 01:05:23,600
assimilating. 
Yeah. 

1148
01:05:23,680 --> 01:05:27,280
And so that's kind of always my 
litmus test and let my measuring

1149
01:05:27,280 --> 01:05:30,440
stick of like, man, it can 
always be better. 

1150
01:05:30,440 --> 01:05:36,600
But you know how, yeah, how are 
we doing and how are we a place 

1151
01:05:36,600 --> 01:05:41,520
that can not only be for like a 
trav and a cave, but also a 

1152
01:05:41,520 --> 01:05:45,000
place that they also feel 
comfortable inviting people that

1153
01:05:45,000 --> 01:05:47,240
look like y'all coming into the 
community as well. 

1154
01:05:47,240 --> 01:05:50,200
And I think that's also 
something I take really 

1155
01:05:50,200 --> 01:05:52,680
seriously as well. 
Like, hey, what? 

1156
01:05:53,000 --> 01:05:55,480
How can how can it get? 
How can we keep this up? 

1157
01:05:55,480 --> 01:05:57,800
Not just have it be this year 
it's like this and then next 

1158
01:05:57,800 --> 01:06:01,280
year it's not like no, we want 
this to be who we are because of

1159
01:06:01,280 --> 01:06:02,160
our faith. 
Yes. 

1160
01:06:02,160 --> 01:06:04,640
In our, in our, yeah. 
In our, our convictions. 

1161
01:06:05,000 --> 01:06:08,680
Yes, yeah. 
Yeah, have we? 

1162
01:06:08,800 --> 01:06:10,560
Have we hit on everything from? 
Last episode. 

1163
01:06:10,840 --> 01:06:13,240
I'm glad you brought out that 
Preston Perry thing yeah, that's

1164
01:06:13,240 --> 01:06:16,160
super helpful. 
Yeah, Yeah, I think I. 

1165
01:06:16,360 --> 01:06:20,120
Like talking about that, I think
you asked me about my 

1166
01:06:20,120 --> 01:06:22,600
experience. 
So when I first came to crew, 

1167
01:06:23,600 --> 01:06:26,160
OK. 
And just like, you know, the 

1168
01:06:26,160 --> 01:06:30,240
worship and also just the 
dynamic of yeah, yeah, yeah. 

1169
01:06:31,040 --> 01:06:32,280
Yeah. 
OK, So what what's that been 

1170
01:06:32,280 --> 01:06:33,160
like? 
So I. 

1171
01:06:35,080 --> 01:06:36,520
Over the last yeah years since 
you've. 

1172
01:06:36,520 --> 01:06:38,960
Been around I lead a lot of the 
music and worship and and at our

1173
01:06:38,960 --> 01:06:45,200
church yeah so which is very 
different experiences so yeah 

1174
01:06:45,200 --> 01:06:47,920
give some of your church 
background and then coming into 

1175
01:06:48,040 --> 01:06:52,920
what it was like coming into our
yeah college ministry setting 

1176
01:06:53,000 --> 01:06:56,400
with worship and stuff yeah so 
for. 

1177
01:06:56,400 --> 01:07:00,560
Context Guys like, oh, Gino's, I
didn't grow up in the church, 

1178
01:07:01,200 --> 01:07:04,840
but whenever I was rarely, you 
know, visiting church with my 

1179
01:07:04,840 --> 01:07:08,240
grandma who loves Jesus, still 
loves Jesus till this day. 

1180
01:07:08,240 --> 01:07:10,800
And this made a big impact on my
life too. 

1181
01:07:11,600 --> 01:07:14,560
It was a black church and we 
were in there for about four 

1182
01:07:14,560 --> 01:07:16,440
hours. 
He had the Oregon playing 

1183
01:07:17,360 --> 01:07:20,680
passive, sweating, you know, 
praise dancing all over the 

1184
01:07:20,680 --> 01:07:23,240
place. 
It this is yeah, that was the 

1185
01:07:23,240 --> 01:07:28,920
experience that I saw. 
So when I came to crew, you 

1186
01:07:28,920 --> 01:07:32,720
know, I was super excited and I 
was, you know, I I started 

1187
01:07:32,720 --> 01:07:36,080
walking with Jesus and I wanted 
to worship with other brothers 

1188
01:07:36,080 --> 01:07:39,520
and sisters, but the worship was
different. 

1189
01:07:39,760 --> 01:07:44,480
And you know, we had songs and 
OG OG was singing these songs 

1190
01:07:44,480 --> 01:07:47,680
and leading us in worship. 
And we had songs like be thou my

1191
01:07:47,680 --> 01:07:53,280
vision, like be thou my. 
And it's like it was different, 

1192
01:07:53,280 --> 01:07:56,120
but also like me and Kay, like 
we were able to like fully 

1193
01:07:56,120 --> 01:07:59,680
embrace it and say, like, man, 
this is about Jesus, man. 

1194
01:07:59,680 --> 01:08:04,120
Like I know this is not 
specifically what we're used to,

1195
01:08:04,520 --> 01:08:07,800
but we can still like embrace 
this and worship our Lord. 

1196
01:08:08,520 --> 01:08:12,400
And even if it's not our first 
preference, I still think it's 

1197
01:08:12,400 --> 01:08:17,399
beautiful in its own right. 
Now we've had people come to the

1198
01:08:17,399 --> 01:08:21,040
ministry that were just straight
up and like, I don't want to 

1199
01:08:21,040 --> 01:08:23,920
worship like that. 
And that kind of like made me 

1200
01:08:23,920 --> 01:08:28,319
start to think and really start 
to like, and you've already been

1201
01:08:28,319 --> 01:08:31,640
thinking this for years and 
already like we're caring about 

1202
01:08:31,640 --> 01:08:34,600
that and caring about those 
people that came into crew. 

1203
01:08:35,279 --> 01:08:37,960
Just starting to think about 
like that perspective of like, 

1204
01:08:38,000 --> 01:08:41,800
oh, so like there are some 
people that come in and say, 

1205
01:08:41,800 --> 01:08:44,520
like, I don't, I don't really 
get down with that. 

1206
01:08:44,520 --> 01:08:46,279
I don't really want to worship 
like that. 

1207
01:08:46,640 --> 01:08:50,319
And I started to think about 
like the importance of the 

1208
01:08:50,319 --> 01:08:53,920
variety and different 
preferences on being touched 

1209
01:08:53,920 --> 01:08:58,479
upon and, and you know, our 
community and, and worship just 

1210
01:08:58,479 --> 01:09:00,760
in general. 
And I started thinking about 

1211
01:09:00,760 --> 01:09:04,600
like, OK, like, how do we, how 
do we help these people feel 

1212
01:09:04,600 --> 01:09:06,319
welcome? 
How do we help these people feel

1213
01:09:06,319 --> 01:09:10,399
seemed and cared for and loved? 
Because just just because me and

1214
01:09:10,399 --> 01:09:13,960
K are in their worshiping with 
our hands high and and embracing

1215
01:09:13,960 --> 01:09:16,760
it doesn't mean the next person 
is gonna feel the same way. 

1216
01:09:17,120 --> 01:09:20,560
So I started thinking about 
those things after I started 

1217
01:09:20,560 --> 01:09:23,120
going to crew and that that 
started to be like a really 

1218
01:09:23,120 --> 01:09:25,319
important thing to me too. 
So yeah. 

1219
01:09:26,960 --> 01:09:29,520
Yeah, yeah, it's been. 
Interesting. 

1220
01:09:29,800 --> 01:09:31,399
I mean, of course, share that 
with me. 

1221
01:09:31,680 --> 01:09:34,040
With me too. 
So doing, I mean, you already 

1222
01:09:34,040 --> 01:09:36,520
said crew. 
I try not to say crew or like 

1223
01:09:36,520 --> 01:09:39,080
different organizations because 
they don't everyone doesn't sign

1224
01:09:39,080 --> 01:09:43,680
off on not you know, I don't 
wanna they don't endorse, you 

1225
01:09:43,680 --> 01:09:45,640
know, the podcast, but market 
we're not getting in trouble or 

1226
01:09:45,640 --> 01:09:47,000
anything. 
It's all good stuff. 

1227
01:09:48,279 --> 01:09:51,240
Yeah, with with doing your crew 
or whatever campus ministry. 

1228
01:09:51,560 --> 01:09:55,600
I've been leading a lot of the 
worship over the years and also 

1229
01:09:55,600 --> 01:09:58,120
lead at our church. 
And so like I think that's a 

1230
01:09:58,120 --> 01:10:05,240
that's been a great balance for 
myself because we do the best we

1231
01:10:05,240 --> 01:10:10,800
can. 
I agree with having to be a 

1232
01:10:10,800 --> 01:10:14,400
diverse worship style. 
What I mean by best we can is 

1233
01:10:14,400 --> 01:10:20,160
like we're aware of like the the
importance and necessity of 

1234
01:10:20,160 --> 01:10:24,960
prioritizing multi ethnic 
thriving atmosphere for worship 

1235
01:10:24,960 --> 01:10:29,080
styles. 
Yes, but you. 

1236
01:10:29,080 --> 01:10:31,320
Only know what you. 
Know and you only got what you 

1237
01:10:31,320 --> 01:10:34,480
got. 
And so our band, they're great, 

1238
01:10:34,560 --> 01:10:39,240
like super talented, but we are 
not like a incredibly diverse 

1239
01:10:39,680 --> 01:10:43,440
worshipping style as far as 
there's certainly no one on our 

1240
01:10:43,440 --> 01:10:44,720
band. 
And they were not Mama sharing 

1241
01:10:44,720 --> 01:10:46,840
this, that like we're not 
experienced like in the black 

1242
01:10:46,840 --> 01:10:48,920
church even. 
Yeah, we're not going to be able

1243
01:10:48,920 --> 01:10:53,080
to go up there and pull off 
really any really, really upbeat

1244
01:10:53,080 --> 01:10:57,680
gospel song, as much as I would 
love to do that and would love 

1245
01:10:57,680 --> 01:11:01,240
to poetize that I'm. 
Not advocating. 

1246
01:11:01,240 --> 01:11:03,080
For doing that poorly to 
anybody. 

1247
01:11:03,080 --> 01:11:04,800
That's like listening, It's 
like, oh, I just need to like 

1248
01:11:04,800 --> 01:11:07,200
tomorrow start doing gossip. 
He's like, no, no, no, that's 

1249
01:11:07,200 --> 01:11:08,760
not that's not what you do, 
That's not what you do. 

1250
01:11:08,880 --> 01:11:10,520
Don't do that sloppily, guys. 
Right. 

1251
01:11:10,720 --> 01:11:16,160
And so we we I try and I Co 
leader, like we try to be as 

1252
01:11:16,160 --> 01:11:19,520
diverse as we can, literally as 
we can and draw from different 

1253
01:11:20,320 --> 01:11:24,000
styles and different tempos and 
stuff like that. 

1254
01:11:24,120 --> 01:11:26,560
And then, you know, in our 
community, man, like y'all just 

1255
01:11:26,560 --> 01:11:28,400
love the worship. 
So like it's never any pressure 

1256
01:11:28,400 --> 01:11:30,200
really, but we I do think about 
that. 

1257
01:11:30,200 --> 01:11:33,240
I'm like, man, yeah, we're not 
we're we're doing our best, but 

1258
01:11:33,240 --> 01:11:37,280
we're not going to really 
perfectly hit all these 

1259
01:11:37,280 --> 01:11:41,040
demographics now at our church 
because the team is so big. 

1260
01:11:41,480 --> 01:11:45,520
And shout out to our guy, our 
worship pastor yell like he's 

1261
01:11:45,520 --> 01:11:47,600
just he's he's got that 
experience of some other people 

1262
01:11:47,600 --> 01:11:50,520
on our band that have much more 
experience with the wider range 

1263
01:11:51,400 --> 01:11:54,200
of gospel music and different 
other genres that I don't. 

1264
01:11:54,200 --> 01:11:55,640
And that's why it's really 
beautiful. 

1265
01:11:55,880 --> 01:11:57,600
We're at our church on our 
worship teams. 

1266
01:11:57,600 --> 01:12:00,840
We can we can do a lot more 
different styles based on who's 

1267
01:12:00,840 --> 01:12:03,840
singing different weeks. 
Yeah, and we can, you know, I 

1268
01:12:03,840 --> 01:12:05,840
can. 
I've been on sets and bands 

1269
01:12:05,840 --> 01:12:10,560
where like we do like, you know,
Israel songs like you are gay 

1270
01:12:10,560 --> 01:12:12,920
that we just said, yeah, this 
past week again, I say George 

1271
01:12:12,920 --> 01:12:15,240
Blake El is heading those up and
like I'm Lord your mighty. 

1272
01:12:15,240 --> 01:12:16,880
Yeah, Lord your mighty. 
Like I'm helping out. 

1273
01:12:17,360 --> 01:12:19,880
And that's, I love it 'cause I'm
learning, I'm learning it and 

1274
01:12:19,880 --> 01:12:25,080
like is that the style I grew up
on or I'm gonna do a lot more 

1275
01:12:25,080 --> 01:12:28,000
now? 
Or like is my go to songs every 

1276
01:12:28,000 --> 01:12:31,240
time? 
No, but what? 

1277
01:12:31,240 --> 01:12:33,800
I've learned being part. 
Of that atmosphere is like it is

1278
01:12:33,800 --> 01:12:38,640
my go to preference to have a 
diversity of worship music I'm 

1279
01:12:38,640 --> 01:12:42,000
listening to and prefer during 
church to like I'm like, yeah, 

1280
01:12:42,680 --> 01:12:44,720
this doesn't happen, but there's
a week that goes by where it's 

1281
01:12:44,720 --> 01:12:47,440
like we did all Hillsong songs. 
It's like I would notice a bit 

1282
01:12:48,160 --> 01:12:52,320
like where was I would it would 
just stick out because our 

1283
01:12:52,320 --> 01:12:55,240
priorities is like diverse 
worship, not for diversity sake,

1284
01:12:55,240 --> 01:12:59,720
but because it empowers people 
in the congregation to be all 

1285
01:12:59,720 --> 01:13:03,120
man. 
They they they're diverse here. 

1286
01:13:03,240 --> 01:13:06,200
Like not just in Word, but in 
Word indeed. 

1287
01:13:06,840 --> 01:13:11,040
And I think some of those 
powerful times being whether I'm

1288
01:13:11,040 --> 01:13:15,280
upfront or the congregation or 
when we do other languages, 

1289
01:13:15,280 --> 01:13:19,560
which I don't speak another 
language that myself, but like 

1290
01:13:19,560 --> 01:13:21,880
it's so powerful when we have 
like our brothers and sisters 

1291
01:13:21,880 --> 01:13:25,400
seeing and speaking other 
languages and just listening to 

1292
01:13:25,400 --> 01:13:28,760
it's like man and. 
Part of that is because I know 

1293
01:13:28,760 --> 01:13:29,880
that there. 
Are some people in the 

1294
01:13:29,880 --> 01:13:33,880
congregation that are like 
surprised when they hear it and 

1295
01:13:33,880 --> 01:13:36,280
they're like, Oh my gosh, that's
my, that's my mother tongue. 

1296
01:13:36,280 --> 01:13:38,480
Like, man, where'd that come 
from? 

1297
01:13:38,480 --> 01:13:42,840
And like it's just contagious of
just that feeling of like, man, 

1298
01:13:42,840 --> 01:13:46,280
like I like because they 
haven't, they've never heard 

1299
01:13:46,280 --> 01:13:48,240
that like in that kind of study.
And sure, they weren't expecting

1300
01:13:48,240 --> 01:13:50,720
it. 
And so anyway. 

1301
01:13:50,720 --> 01:13:53,640
I could riff a lot for. 
That, but yet that's how to kind

1302
01:13:53,640 --> 01:13:55,480
of explain what it looks like to
do. 

1303
01:13:57,000 --> 01:13:58,320
Your best? 
Yeah. 

1304
01:13:58,320 --> 01:14:00,200
And you only know what you know,
like I like that phrase. 

1305
01:14:00,200 --> 01:14:01,800
Like you only know what you 
know, but just by your heart 

1306
01:14:01,800 --> 01:14:04,840
posture towards OK, what am I 
gonna do with what I do now? 

1307
01:14:04,920 --> 01:14:06,920
Yes. 
And grow versus being like. 

1308
01:14:07,000 --> 01:14:09,360
I think there's a difference 
between that and being like, 

1309
01:14:10,280 --> 01:14:13,440
Nah, I don't know what I know. 
Stop and be like, who cares? 

1310
01:14:13,520 --> 01:14:17,040
So no, you know what you know 
now, but go off of that. 

1311
01:14:17,240 --> 01:14:20,880
And that's where I think you. 
Know I'm kind of riffing down 

1312
01:14:20,880 --> 01:14:21,840
but like. 
You can, kind of. 

1313
01:14:24,040 --> 01:14:26,440
Decide to keep going or not. 
And that's why I think some 

1314
01:14:26,440 --> 01:14:29,320
pushback income where it's like,
well, now I just feel like can't

1315
01:14:29,320 --> 01:14:31,000
ever do anything right. 
And you get, you know, 

1316
01:14:31,040 --> 01:14:32,880
paralyzed. 
It's like, that's not what we 

1317
01:14:32,880 --> 01:14:34,400
shame people. 
It's like, that's not what I 

1318
01:14:34,400 --> 01:14:35,720
want to do. 
Yeah. 

1319
01:14:36,000 --> 01:14:37,360
Or. 
Would. 

1320
01:14:37,360 --> 01:14:39,320
Say is the answer. 
It's like no, what was it look 

1321
01:14:39,320 --> 01:14:42,360
like to move forward and take 
these that you know that first? 

1322
01:14:42,360 --> 01:14:45,920
Yes, yeah, it's. 
It's the openness and 

1323
01:14:45,920 --> 01:14:49,920
consideration and the awareness,
Oh Gee, specifically that you 

1324
01:14:49,920 --> 01:14:55,400
have that really like allows 
people like me to feel like, oh,

1325
01:14:55,760 --> 01:14:58,320
he cares. 
Like he really does love us and 

1326
01:14:58,320 --> 01:15:01,720
he considers this. 
And like when those, when those 

1327
01:15:01,720 --> 01:15:04,760
worship songs come on and, and 
sometimes at church, we do the 

1328
01:15:04,760 --> 01:15:07,760
different languages. 
Like I love the fact that like 

1329
01:15:07,960 --> 01:15:10,880
specifically when I'm sitting 
like we get hype and we're like,

1330
01:15:11,000 --> 01:15:13,560
we don't even know how to say 
most of this stuff. 

1331
01:15:13,560 --> 01:15:15,760
We're like, you know, like this 
is fire. 

1332
01:15:15,760 --> 01:15:19,160
Like we get so hyped because I 
just think about heaven and I 

1333
01:15:19,160 --> 01:15:21,320
just think about like the beauty
of it. 

1334
01:15:21,320 --> 01:15:22,760
And I can get emotional with 
that. 

1335
01:15:23,760 --> 01:15:27,600
But I, I just also, I wanted to 
bring up this example again 

1336
01:15:27,920 --> 01:15:31,640
because I really do. 
It's kind of silly, but it's why

1337
01:15:31,640 --> 01:15:34,440
I believe we can come together 
as different coaches and worship

1338
01:15:34,440 --> 01:15:39,360
to the Lord and unique different
ways based upon our backgrounds 

1339
01:15:39,360 --> 01:15:41,400
and how we grew up. 
Like I was talking about the 

1340
01:15:41,400 --> 01:15:43,920
happy birthday thing last time. 
Oh, yeah, sure. 

1341
01:15:43,920 --> 01:15:44,640
That one. 
Let's get one. 

1342
01:15:44,640 --> 01:15:45,560
Yeah. 
Just like. 

1343
01:15:46,400 --> 01:15:49,160
So, you know, we have brothers 
and sisters here that I have 

1344
01:15:49,160 --> 01:15:54,720
birthdays and the first, the 
first preference to go to is the

1345
01:15:54,720 --> 01:15:57,760
RU1RU2. 
And then also obviously the 

1346
01:15:57,760 --> 01:16:03,440
happy birthday song, Like happy 
birthday to you and riveting, 

1347
01:16:03,600 --> 01:16:05,360
riveting stuff. 
Yeah, exactly. 

1348
01:16:05,560 --> 01:16:09,320
And and, and me and my guys, you
know, me and my, my colored 

1349
01:16:09,320 --> 01:16:12,440
brothers Wills obviously sing 
that and we'll you know, that's 

1350
01:16:12,440 --> 01:16:13,880
cool. 
Like that's the happy birthday 

1351
01:16:13,880 --> 01:16:17,080
song and we won't shut it off 
and be like, no, that ain't the 

1352
01:16:17,080 --> 01:16:19,280
way you supposed to say it. 
Like no, shut that down. 

1353
01:16:19,280 --> 01:16:22,320
We going to do it a better way. 
We going to sing that one first 

1354
01:16:22,600 --> 01:16:25,680
and then we going to say, okay, 
let's sing it our way now. 

1355
01:16:26,040 --> 01:16:29,760
And then we go say happy 
birthday to you. 

1356
01:16:30,440 --> 01:16:33,720
And the and it's just like, to 
me, that's like a beautiful 

1357
01:16:33,720 --> 01:16:37,320
thing of and a beautiful example
of like, no, like we can 

1358
01:16:37,320 --> 01:16:41,920
coincide and not degrade the 
next experience or degrade the 

1359
01:16:41,920 --> 01:16:45,560
next preference of singing this 
way or living this way or 

1360
01:16:45,560 --> 01:16:48,240
looking this way, but doing it 
together. 

1361
01:16:48,280 --> 01:16:51,240
And it's a be it could be a 
beautiful thing specifically 

1362
01:16:51,240 --> 01:16:53,440
with glorifying and worshiping 
Christ. 

1363
01:16:53,680 --> 01:16:56,160
Yeah, yeah, Amen. 
Man, that's so good. 

1364
01:16:59,520 --> 01:17:00,600
Appreciate you doing this, my 
brother. 

1365
01:17:00,760 --> 01:17:04,160
Yep. 
What's, I mean, what's one to 

1366
01:17:04,160 --> 01:17:07,600
two things you hope sticks out 
from this conversation to people

1367
01:17:07,600 --> 01:17:08,720
listening? 
Yeah. 

1368
01:17:10,440 --> 01:17:16,080
I would just say that you know, 
especially like listening to our

1369
01:17:16,080 --> 01:17:20,040
dynamic and our relationship and
how the Lord has used you in my 

1370
01:17:20,040 --> 01:17:24,640
life. 
Man, we truly do need and I know

1371
01:17:24,640 --> 01:17:26,800
you said start with the glaze 
and stop putting you. 

1372
01:17:27,400 --> 01:17:29,280
That's so bad. 
Yeah, that's the end of the. 

1373
01:17:29,280 --> 01:17:31,920
That's the end of that. 
Now go ahead but but I. 

1374
01:17:31,920 --> 01:17:36,800
Literally have to like OG has 
meant so much to me in my life, 

1375
01:17:37,880 --> 01:17:41,440
specifically pouring into me. 
Doing life with me is the bigger

1376
01:17:41,440 --> 01:17:45,000
brother to me, pointing me to 
Christ and disciple in me. 

1377
01:17:45,000 --> 01:17:50,920
But his love and his care for 
people and the experiences that 

1378
01:17:50,920 --> 01:17:54,080
people have gone through and 
then justices and the hard 

1379
01:17:54,080 --> 01:17:57,840
things and the reality of the 
hard things and life that people

1380
01:17:57,840 --> 01:18:01,960
go through that a lot of people,
other people are not willing to 

1381
01:18:01,960 --> 01:18:04,760
talk about and tackle because 
it's uncomfortable. 

1382
01:18:05,120 --> 01:18:09,880
We need people like you OG in 
this world more people and it 

1383
01:18:09,880 --> 01:18:12,720
has truly changed my life. 
I don't want to get emotional. 

1384
01:18:13,440 --> 01:18:16,880
I can easily get emotional about
it, but it has truly changed my 

1385
01:18:16,880 --> 01:18:22,440
life and I am definitely not the
man that I am today without you 

1386
01:18:22,560 --> 01:18:24,440
and you pressing in on those 
things. 

1387
01:18:25,920 --> 01:18:28,200
And I just always have 
appreciated your heart. 

1388
01:18:28,200 --> 01:18:32,000
And I truly want the person or 
the people that are listening to

1389
01:18:32,000 --> 01:18:34,720
this podcast to like just think 
about that. 

1390
01:18:34,720 --> 01:18:37,080
Consider that like consider 
those things. 

1391
01:18:37,960 --> 01:18:40,640
Think about like the heart 
posture that OG has and, and 

1392
01:18:40,640 --> 01:18:44,080
just like why important it is 
because I would say I was 

1393
01:18:44,080 --> 01:18:48,520
spitting image of the effect and
the impact of that his heart 

1394
01:18:48,520 --> 01:18:51,480
posture. 
And, and that's, that's what I 

1395
01:18:51,480 --> 01:18:54,440
was saying. 
And also just the beauty of 

1396
01:18:54,440 --> 01:18:57,240
different cultures, different 
tongues, different nations 

1397
01:18:57,240 --> 01:19:01,520
coming together to worship 1 
Lord and it's beautiful. 

1398
01:19:01,560 --> 01:19:04,960
And that's what the Lord calls 
us to do and to not live in a 

1399
01:19:04,960 --> 01:19:07,320
box. 
I just never want to live in a 

1400
01:19:07,320 --> 01:19:09,480
box. 
I never want to be ignorant to 

1401
01:19:09,480 --> 01:19:12,200
the next person and I feel like 
we should all have that heart 

1402
01:19:12,200 --> 01:19:15,400
posture and not to say that I do
it perfectly at all. 

1403
01:19:16,000 --> 01:19:19,600
I have so many things to learn 
and so many ways that I could 

1404
01:19:19,600 --> 01:19:24,000
grow in that and be more 
cognitive that but like and we 

1405
01:19:24,000 --> 01:19:27,640
all had that heart posture of 
just wanting to learn and 

1406
01:19:27,640 --> 01:19:30,960
wanting to learn about the next 
experience and the next person. 

1407
01:19:31,440 --> 01:19:34,120
I believe we will live in 
definitely a way better world. 

1408
01:19:34,200 --> 01:19:38,320
And I know that sounds cliche 
and and kind of cheesy, but I 

1409
01:19:38,320 --> 01:19:41,360
truly believe that. 
So that's what I would say. 

1410
01:19:41,920 --> 01:19:43,360
Yeah, I love you, man. 
I'll. 

1411
01:19:43,640 --> 01:19:45,840
I'll, I'll try to receive that. 
I don't need to. 

1412
01:19:45,840 --> 01:19:47,760
I'll try to put my walls down to
receive that. 

1413
01:19:48,440 --> 01:19:50,880
Sounds like you're saying a 
little bit of a goodbye and I 

1414
01:19:50,880 --> 01:19:53,920
forgot to ask you about that. 
So I guess it is a little bit of

1415
01:19:53,920 --> 01:19:56,560
that, which is why we also, I 
really want to squeeze this in 

1416
01:19:57,320 --> 01:20:01,520
as her time is winding down. 
So you are say what you want to 

1417
01:20:01,520 --> 01:20:03,480
say, but you're we've been doing
ministry together here in 

1418
01:20:03,480 --> 01:20:05,320
Radford for, you know, four 
years now. 

1419
01:20:05,920 --> 01:20:07,520
You're moving on to something 
new. 

1420
01:20:07,520 --> 01:20:09,080
You want to tell people what 
you're going to be doing. 

1421
01:20:09,480 --> 01:20:10,920
Yeah. 
So me and OG. 

1422
01:20:10,920 --> 01:20:14,440
Are both from 757? 
Yeah, 757 family. 

1423
01:20:15,520 --> 01:20:19,800
Man, I'm actually going to be 
going back home this up and 

1424
01:20:19,800 --> 01:20:23,320
coming year to still serve with 
the ministry that we serve with 

1425
01:20:23,320 --> 01:20:26,400
the campus ministry. 
And I'm actually going to be 

1426
01:20:26,400 --> 01:20:28,840
serving at ODU Old Dominion 
University. 

1427
01:20:29,120 --> 01:20:33,680
So I'm so excited about that. 
But it's also very bittersweet 

1428
01:20:33,680 --> 01:20:38,720
because the Lord has done men so
much in this area. 

1429
01:20:39,280 --> 01:20:42,800
I've been talking about OG a lot
through OG, but just through so 

1430
01:20:42,800 --> 01:20:45,360
many different people here. 
The Lord saved me here. 

1431
01:20:45,360 --> 01:20:48,720
He changed my life here and I've
been able to serve him here. 

1432
01:20:49,040 --> 01:20:52,080
And it's kind of like this is 
like the sending hub now, like 

1433
01:20:52,080 --> 01:20:54,800
I'm being sent even though it's 
back home. 

1434
01:20:55,320 --> 01:20:57,640
This is where I was saved and 
this is where I was built up. 

1435
01:20:57,640 --> 01:20:59,400
So that's what I got planned for
next. 

1436
01:20:59,680 --> 01:21:01,800
This happened coming year. 
I mean, it's the, it's the 

1437
01:21:01,800 --> 01:21:03,360
epitome. 
Of, of bittersweet. 

1438
01:21:03,360 --> 01:21:06,800
Now that now that we're doing 
this, I've I got the privilege 

1439
01:21:06,800 --> 01:21:10,480
of sending you and K off at our 
last, you know, large group 

1440
01:21:10,480 --> 01:21:14,200
meeting and then Caitlin got to 
send you off a little bit from 

1441
01:21:14,200 --> 01:21:18,320
our church and just it it was an
honor to be able to do that. 

1442
01:21:19,080 --> 01:21:21,280
Not for any kind of like 
notoriety or anything, but it's 

1443
01:21:21,280 --> 01:21:26,680
just been so beautiful and I 
truly take so much pride in the 

1444
01:21:26,680 --> 01:21:30,160
people that have been outsiders 
looking in almost been going on 

1445
01:21:30,160 --> 01:21:34,000
and our relationship and then 
just so many that just the 

1446
01:21:34,000 --> 01:21:36,280
growing communities that we've 
had the privilege of being a 

1447
01:21:36,280 --> 01:21:39,760
part of. 
And we throw around the terms 

1448
01:21:39,760 --> 01:21:41,360
like you just mentioned 
bittersweet. 

1449
01:21:41,640 --> 01:21:43,480
And I don't even think I said 
this part when I sent you all 

1450
01:21:43,480 --> 01:21:48,160
out, but like it's it's it's so 
much of both Like it is. 

1451
01:21:48,160 --> 01:21:52,000
Yeah, bitter because, man, I 
just want to live life with more

1452
01:21:52,000 --> 01:21:54,760
life with you, my little 
brothers every day. 

1453
01:21:54,760 --> 01:21:56,480
Yeah, like we've been doing for 
four years. 

1454
01:21:57,360 --> 01:22:02,920
But it's also so sweet because 
man, it's so easy to send y'all 

1455
01:22:02,920 --> 01:22:06,480
out to like, it's so clear that 
like, you guys are going to do 

1456
01:22:06,480 --> 01:22:10,440
some crazy things and the Lord's
going to keep using you where 

1457
01:22:10,440 --> 01:22:13,080
y'all are going. 
And it's just easy. 

1458
01:22:13,080 --> 01:22:15,440
It just makes sense in a 
profound way. 

1459
01:22:15,440 --> 01:22:20,120
Not a little cutesy cliche way, 
but it's, it's, it's a beautiful

1460
01:22:20,120 --> 01:22:23,560
thing being I'll send you guys 
out from this little Old Town 

1461
01:22:24,400 --> 01:22:27,480
and no one knows anything about.
I don't think ever really truly 

1462
01:22:27,480 --> 01:22:33,840
will. 
But man, yeah, privilege to send

1463
01:22:33,840 --> 01:22:36,200
you all out, man. 
And know a lot of people love 

1464
01:22:36,200 --> 01:22:38,640
and miss you all. 
But I mean, this another sweet 

1465
01:22:38,640 --> 01:22:40,320
part is you're going to my 
hometown. 

1466
01:22:40,320 --> 01:22:40,720
So. 
Yeah. 

1467
01:22:41,400 --> 01:22:44,480
But my mom won't be happy. 
So another reason for me. 

1468
01:22:44,480 --> 01:22:47,120
Come, come home and visit. 
Yeah. 

1469
01:22:48,760 --> 01:22:50,360
Try. 
Have a lovely man Love you. 

1470
01:22:50,360 --> 01:22:52,680
Thanks for sharing your thanks 
for being vulnerable, taking 

1471
01:22:52,680 --> 01:22:55,320
some some questions on the spot,
and opening up and sharing your 

1472
01:22:55,320 --> 01:22:58,720
story with us. 
We gotta go. 

1473
01:22:58,720 --> 01:23:01,080
We gotta watch this Lakers game.
Yeah, we gotta go watch that 

1474
01:23:01,080 --> 01:23:04,520
song. 
Listeners, thank you so much for

1475
01:23:04,520 --> 01:23:06,520
listening, especially made all 
the way to the end. 

1476
01:23:06,920 --> 01:23:09,400
We love you. 
All music you're listening to 

1477
01:23:09,600 --> 01:23:12,280
was done by a guy, Dylan Dent. 
The artwork was created by 

1478
01:23:12,280 --> 01:23:14,600
Ashley Bush. 
And please don't forget to check

1479
01:23:14,600 --> 01:23:16,240
out the 
patreonpatreon.com/racially 

1480
01:23:16,240 --> 01:23:28,320
speaking, peace. 
Peace. me. 

1481
01:23:28,320 --> 01:23:29,760
Bent. 
They got me twisted and I don't 

1482
01:23:29,760 --> 01:23:32,320
might have said a lot, but I 
should probably stop pretending.

1483
01:23:32,320 --> 01:23:35,280
I don't really hold the key and 
I can't really push a button and

1484
01:23:35,280 --> 01:23:38,400
I just step up to the mic and 
try my very best to bust it, but

1485
01:23:38,400 --> 01:23:41,760
I ran out of breath. 
It's tight in my chest, my feet 

1486
01:23:41,760 --> 01:23:53,490
just might fail. 
I can't stand the pressure. hunt

1487
01:23:53,490 --> 01:23:55,930
you by day. 
Y'all rob me your mod arbory. 

1488
01:23:56,210 --> 01:23:58,770
Everybody got a time, but that's
less than company. 

1489
01:23:58,890 --> 01:24:01,720
I hope if I'm alive by the time 
they choose to come for me, 

1490
01:24:01,720 --> 01:24:04,560
Mosquitoes in the vein or 
leeches on my soul. 

1491
01:24:04,720 --> 01:24:07,480
This money on my mind is a 
fracture of my bones. 

1492
01:24:07,480 --> 01:24:10,280
You get crippled by continuing 
existence like a ghost. 

1493
01:24:10,360 --> 01:24:13,200
And they wonder why we drink. 
And they wonder why we smoke. 

1494
01:24:13,480 --> 01:24:16,120
And they wonder why we think 
that everything's a joke. 

1495
01:24:16,400 --> 01:24:18,680
I'm shocked that we can sleep. 
Must be the thought of letting 

1496
01:24:18,680 --> 01:24:44,320
go. 
sing I'm. 

1497
01:24:44,400 --> 01:24:50,360
Better with the Valley. 
Some days you know I lie. 

1498
01:24:50,400 --> 01:24:54,400
Better than others Others. 
I like to lie under the covers, 

1499
01:24:54,600 --> 01:24:57,520
covered in pins and needles, 
walking on egg shells. 

1500
01:24:57,520 --> 01:25:00,560
And you tell me how to, and I 
know that won't end well. 

1501
01:25:01,440 --> 01:25:03,120
Well, I might not. 
Either. 

1502
01:25:03,320 --> 01:25:06,120
The 27 club has my name in the 
either. 

1503
01:25:06,360 --> 01:25:08,960
I just need to find a creative 
way to live. 

1504
01:25:08,960 --> 01:25:13,000
A creative way to die. 
Not a difference in my eyes, but

1505
01:25:13,000 --> 01:25:14,800
light. 
Passed out as 50 lashes. 

1506
01:25:15,080 --> 01:25:17,960
So I'm passed out next to the 
trash can. 

1507
01:25:17,960 --> 01:25:23,680
Can I forego on your opinions? 
I opt in for optional opposition

1508
01:25:24,200 --> 01:25:26,520
because the weight of the world 
can leave me alone. 

1509
01:25:26,680 --> 01:25:29,880
So I just shrugged my shoulders 
shake up the whole globe and I 

1510
01:25:29,880 --> 01:25:32,640
don't need your map for having 
Alice, but I like the moral 

1511
01:25:32,640 --> 01:25:34,520
compass makes the page if it's 
affected. 

1512
01:25:34,840 --> 01:25:37,440
Look, it's like fighting water 
with the flame. 

1513
01:25:37,640 --> 01:25:39,560
It's like me and no one without 
a name. 

1514
01:25:39,800 --> 01:25:41,800
It's like me indifferent but the
same. 

1515
01:25:41,800 --> 01:25:44,000
It's time to retire me from 
pain. 

1516
01:25:44,400 --> 01:25:46,880
But I'm going to rage until they
starting to pay. 

1517
01:25:48,040 --> 01:25:50,360
I thought I was flying, I was 
falling with style. 

1518
01:25:50,800 --> 01:25:53,440
Don't know if I can stop. 
I could be going for miles. 

1519
01:25:53,440 --> 01:25:57,040
I'm making crazy and see you 
later to my own smile on my oh 

1520
01:25:57,080 --> 01:25:59,520
now for that Johnny Blaze. 
I'm a ghost now. 

1521
01:26:10,760 --> 01:26:13,400
Now I lay me down to sing I'm. 
Fed up with the Valley? 

1522
01:26:16,640 --> 01:26:19,160
Now I lay me down to sing I'm. 
Fed up with the Valley? 

1523
01:26:22,440 --> 01:26:25,120
Now I lay me down to sing. 
I'm fed up with the valley. 

1524
01:26:51,760 --> 01:26:54,640
Better watch your back, boy. 
You want to crash course? 

1525
01:26:54,680 --> 01:26:57,560
Better watch your back boy. 
Crash course. 

1526
01:26:57,640 --> 01:27:00,440
Better watch your back boy. 
You want to crash course. 

1527
01:27:00,480 --> 01:27:03,400
Better watch your back boy. 
And you want to crash course. 

1528
01:27:03,400 --> 01:27:06,040
Now I let me down to see my 
better with the valley. 

1529
01:27:06,240 --> 01:27:08,800
I'm going underground. 
The world is better off without 

1530
01:27:08,800 --> 01:27:11,080
me now. 
I let me down to see my better 

1531
01:27:11,080 --> 01:27:11,800
with the valley.