1 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:10,840 Hey everybody, and welcome to the latest episode of The Ball 2 00:00:10,840 --> 00:00:12,960 Boys. We are the tennis podcast that 3 00:00:12,960 --> 00:00:16,079 puts the hot and drop shot. I'm your host, Paul Monkle and 4 00:00:16,079 --> 00:00:18,960 bringing you the insights, outbursts, giggles and wiggles 5 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:22,960 of the HTP and WTA tours. Happy Pride Month from the 6 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:26,000 States. Yes, it's June and despite this 7 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:30,480 year and the world and the administration and and Musk and 8 00:00:30,680 --> 00:00:35,320 and the economy and the wars and the fires and the tariffs and 9 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:40,040 egg prices and that showed of a Secretary of Defense renaming 10 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:43,840 the USNS milk during Pride month and frankly A disappointing 11 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:46,720 season of White Lotus. I hope you can find some time to 12 00:00:46,720 --> 00:00:51,520 celebrate being you this month. In case you missed it, the icon 13 00:00:51,520 --> 00:00:54,160 Andre Agassi was on Andy Roddick's podcast last week. 14 00:00:54,400 --> 00:00:56,160 Thanks for the heads up on that. Tim Chow. 15 00:00:56,680 --> 00:00:59,280 And he told this really cool story about the first time he 16 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:01,280 met Rafa. They were in the locker room 17 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:04,360 together and Rafa was around the corner and having trouble just 18 00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:06,440 sort of opening up his lock. He couldn't, he couldn't 19 00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:10,320 remember the the combination. And when he finally did, he 20 00:01:10,320 --> 00:01:13,640 gives himself a Vamos. He just says it to himself. 21 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:17,480 And then from that Andy Roddick coined the term or the phrase 22 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:21,440 saying that Rafa self vamos and and I just love that. 23 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:23,760 And that's something that I'm going to strive for this pride 24 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:27,440 month to self vamos more. And I hope everyone out there 25 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:31,960 can self vamos for pride because to paraphrase Mamaroo, if you 26 00:01:31,960 --> 00:01:34,880 can't vamos yourself, how the hell are you going to vamos 27 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:37,320 somebody else? Now can I get a clay man? 28 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:43,120 And that brings us to today's show where we are focused on 29 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:45,880 Roland Garros. It just wrapped up today in 30 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:48,800 Paris, the city of love, the city of Light, the city of 31 00:01:48,800 --> 00:01:51,160 Vamos. It was an emotional tournament 32 00:01:51,160 --> 00:01:55,000 from the start with the tribute to Rafa and literally etching 33 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:57,760 him into the history books. It was also a display of 34 00:01:57,760 --> 00:01:59,600 remarkable tennis at the very top. 35 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:02,760 In a year when things have been, frankly wide open, are we 36 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:04,520 entering a new stratosphere of tennis? 37 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:08,400 This episode is called Roland Carlos because Carlos Alcaraz 38 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:11,600 just defended his title in the most epic manner. 39 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:14,520 It also could have been Coco Vaughn, because Coco Goff 40 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:18,240 claimed her first French crown yesterday, and Vaughn is spelled 41 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:20,920 like win. It's VIN, so it's more of a 42 00:02:20,920 --> 00:02:24,600 subtle pun and well, you know me and subtlety and you know me and 43 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:28,040 a homophone. Plus, I use Coco Von in a pun on 44 00:02:28,040 --> 00:02:31,280 Instagram already yesterday. Hey, by the way, if you aren't 45 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:34,200 following us, head on over to our Instagram. 46 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:39,600 That's at TBB Tennis. Again, that's at TBB Tennis 47 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:43,280 where you can find all of your pun needs met, as well as things 48 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:48,040 like the latest Bay TP rankings. We're talking about all that and 49 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:51,640 more with my queer icon. He is my personal pride float. 50 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:54,200 He actually threw the first tennis ball at Stonewall. 51 00:02:54,640 --> 00:02:59,320 He is the Matthew to my Simone. It's Matthew Coleman. 52 00:02:59,640 --> 00:03:01,320 Hi, Matthew. How the hell are you? 53 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:04,240 What's up, Paul? Happy to be here. 54 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:06,760 Happy to be here. Happy to have you. 55 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:10,240 Happy pride. It's always good to see you. 56 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:14,280 It's been a long two weeks since our last show when we had our 57 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:17,800 spot on predictions as always of who was going to win and make 58 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:20,720 runs at Roland Garros. And we'll be covering all of 59 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:24,960 that. And Speaking of pride, we got to 60 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:26,680 talk about our brackets real quick. 61 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:30,400 So for anyone who doesn't know, Matthew created fantasy brackets 62 00:03:30,440 --> 00:03:34,200 for all the grand slams for sort of a smaller friend group of 63 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:38,680 ours. And it's super fun and somewhat 64 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:42,160 humbling at times. As much as I'd like to think 65 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:46,400 that I know what I'm talking about, sometimes I really shit 66 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:48,120 the bed. And I just got to start out 67 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:53,520 first by saying Matthew Jacques Hughes, because on the last show 68 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:58,240 you picked Jakob Mensik and Svidolina to take it all. 69 00:03:58,240 --> 00:04:01,320 And so in my draft, I was like, Matthew always knows, Matthew's 70 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:04,280 always right as we established. And so I picked Mensik and 71 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:06,640 Svidolina, and they most certainly did not win. 72 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:10,640 So first question for you. Were you purposely sabotaging me 73 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:15,360 or the entire front group? Look, I just felt like it was 74 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:18,360 time for me to personally take a break from winning these 75 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:22,600 brackets because it was really just it it kind of I was my back 76 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:26,960 was hurting from carrying the load and it was a mix of that. 77 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:31,840 And then when I got this latest haircut, the what and happy 78 00:04:31,840 --> 00:04:35,120 pride month, Sir. And I think also, yeah, my new 79 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:38,120 like, Theo von inspired haircut, like killed some brain cells. 80 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:43,160 And I wasn't as sharp as I usually was, but like, hello. 81 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:46,240 I mean, Spitolino went pretty damn far, can we not agree? 82 00:04:46,280 --> 00:04:48,840 And Mencik, before he shut the bed, was actually doing pretty 83 00:04:48,840 --> 00:04:51,120 well. Yeah, I mean, Spitolina went 84 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:52,960 exactly as far as she always goes. 85 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:55,200 She is a quarterfinalist. She is. 86 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:58,360 She wins at making the quarters every single time. 87 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:02,000 Yeah, Mencik, he was. OK, What do you go out in the 88 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:03,840 fourth? Well, I mean, OK, yeah, great. 89 00:05:03,840 --> 00:05:07,840 So we got we got Alcaraz and Goff as the winners. 90 00:05:09,080 --> 00:05:12,800 Oh, I'm not complaining. Pardon me for for wanting to 91 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:15,840 have kind of a, you know, a dark horse in the race. 92 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:18,840 And listen, I don't think any of the dark horses really stepped 93 00:05:18,840 --> 00:05:22,000 up this year. We had we had a few absolutely 94 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:25,680 unhinged unexpected surprises and then we had the people doing 95 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:28,760 business as usual. We did not have the that kind of 96 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:33,560 mid tier bubbling up into that next echelon. 97 00:05:33,560 --> 00:05:35,400 Like that was not the story of the slam. 98 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:37,360 And that's OK. That's OK. 99 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:39,120 Every slam's gonna have it's own narrative. 100 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:43,120 Oh yeah, no, I mean, like I said at the top of the show, look, 101 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:45,920 this year has been surprisingly wide open at almost every 102 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:48,880 tournament, and here we had. For the first time. 103 00:05:51,840 --> 00:05:55,720 Just it's anyone can get in there for a win, I guess one 104 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:58,480 could say. But yeah, so it's it. 105 00:05:58,640 --> 00:06:02,080 I I agree with you on that. I just feel like you were up to 106 00:06:02,080 --> 00:06:03,280 some shenanigans with your picks. 107 00:06:03,280 --> 00:06:06,160 But anyway, Congrats to Eric, our friend. 108 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:09,680 He he's a double winner. So he won both for the WTA and 109 00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:12,800 ATP brackets. And thank God 'cause he was the 110 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:17,120 only one for the WTA bracket that beat ChatGPT. 111 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:22,640 So take that, robots. We are still #1 when it comes to 112 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:26,360 picking who is going to win the most points in a tennis 113 00:06:26,360 --> 00:06:27,720 tournament. Yeah. 114 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:31,200 And we will, we will be updating the public on when the 115 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:34,360 singularity occurs because we will be able to pinpoint it to 116 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:37,720 the millisecond because it will be when the ChatGPT bracket 117 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:42,080 beats us, which like it it, it's never come this close before. 118 00:06:42,080 --> 00:06:43,800 It's actually getting pretty concerning. 119 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:48,040 Yeah, like, how did it know? It knows more than I do about 120 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:50,800 tennis. So watch out, world. 121 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:54,440 But let's get into the action. And let's start off like we 122 00:06:54,440 --> 00:06:57,760 always do with our Lobsvians. And again, for anyone out there, 123 00:06:57,760 --> 00:06:59,960 that's just the thing that made us a little gayer for tennis 124 00:06:59,960 --> 00:07:04,240 since the last show. And my Lobsvian, my first 125 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:10,240 Lobsvian, is an actual lesbian because Daria Kazakina got 126 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:12,760 engaged. She announced it on Saturday. 127 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:16,440 She posted that she's engaged true girlfriend Natalia 128 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:19,000 Zabayako. I don't know how to pronounce 129 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:22,440 that, but her girlfriend former I think Olympic figure skater 130 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:25,160 maybe, and cousin Kina, she's amazing. 131 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:27,280 She's a a new Australian citizen. 132 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:30,760 Her visibility is so major and hey, it's pride. 133 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:34,240 So kind of love seeing that. It's kind of diva behavior to be 134 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:35,520 like, oh, it's the women's final. 135 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:37,440 I'm going to announce my engagement today. 136 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:40,040 It's like when you go to someone's Bachelorette party and 137 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:42,360 you're like, I'm pregnant, like, you know, just I'm going to take 138 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:44,880 a little bit of that spotlight and so good for you. 139 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:47,120 I am excited to see that wedding. 140 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:51,520 It's going to be chic as hell cause Kazakina's box is one of 141 00:07:51,520 --> 00:07:56,120 the chicest boxes on tour. Excuse me, excuse what about her 142 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:58,680 box? Whenever they show her box on 143 00:07:58,680 --> 00:08:02,080 TV, I'm like, wow, that's stylish. 144 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:03,880 Yeah. That's that's, that's an 145 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:06,680 interesting, interesting camera angles going on there. 146 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:11,280 OK, interesting. Yeah, yeah, no, it's, it's 147 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:13,280 great. And I would love to know which 148 00:08:13,280 --> 00:08:16,720 of the players are are getting invites to this wedding, who's 149 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:18,320 on the ends and who's on the outs. 150 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:21,440 I'm going to be studying all the Instagram action around this 151 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:22,120 with. We need it. 152 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:25,120 We need another bracket. We need another bracket to see 153 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:27,800 who's who's like the over under. I feel like someone like Mira 154 00:08:27,800 --> 00:08:32,799 Andriva, who is like such a good friend of hers, but also like so 155 00:08:32,799 --> 00:08:35,760 Russian like I don't know, like I'm I'm going to cross my 156 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:38,039 fingers. Hey, cuz at kina, if you need 157 00:08:38,039 --> 00:08:42,159 anyone to come and play a game or host anything, the ball boys 158 00:08:42,159 --> 00:08:47,280 are available and will fly for this more reasonable. 159 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:53,480 The other lobs being is just a one specific moment in time 160 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:56,800 during the tournament and that was when your boy Mattia 161 00:08:56,800 --> 00:09:00,720 Bellucci when's the first set against Jack Draper in the first 162 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:06,960 round with his underarm serve. That is just CUNT so brat. 163 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:13,800 So like brat boy Summer just giving a little bit of flair to 164 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:15,720 winning that first set against Draper. 165 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:19,080 I mean, I love that you gave me a little hoochie coochie Mattia 166 00:09:19,080 --> 00:09:23,760 Bellucci moment in this episode. He he really is. 167 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:25,800 He really is brat. Like that's exactly the right 168 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:29,640 way to put it. I mean, he's like, I feel like 169 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:32,400 in some ways he's trying to be like, you want me? 170 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:34,240 You want to see a villain? Well, here I am. 171 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:36,120 But like, he's just too darn cute for it. 172 00:09:36,120 --> 00:09:37,680 You know? It's like, yeah, he's like a 173 00:09:37,680 --> 00:09:41,520 cute, like, relatively small little man just scrapping out 174 00:09:41,520 --> 00:09:42,960 there. So it's like, even when he tries 175 00:09:42,960 --> 00:09:45,800 to be like, you know, he tries to be play the heel. 176 00:09:45,800 --> 00:09:49,760 Like, it's just, it's just, it's so it's something so adorable 177 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:50,720 about it. Yeah. 178 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:53,360 Yeah, yeah. And I mean, there were, there 179 00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:55,640 were plenty more. I mean, this year, the French 180 00:09:55,640 --> 00:09:58,680 Open, the clay seemed like dirtier than ever 'cause there 181 00:09:58,680 --> 00:10:01,760 were so many hot images of people just covered in clay 182 00:10:01,760 --> 00:10:05,240 after diving that I didn't see that much in Rome or or Madrid 183 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:08,160 or anywhere. Like Sabalinka's back during the 184 00:10:08,160 --> 00:10:11,600 final was just it, it wasn't on her kit. 185 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:14,600 It was on her like bareback as her shoulders were out. 186 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:16,760 And it was just like really sexy. 187 00:10:16,760 --> 00:10:19,600 But. Yeah, today's secret word was 188 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:21,560 bareback. So I just, I just took my first 189 00:10:21,560 --> 00:10:22,920 shot. Oh, nice. 190 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:26,680 Oh yeah, bareback. Yes. 191 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:32,320 OK, well, let's move on to twit, which I think maybe for this 192 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:34,360 week. We call it Twatfa because it's 193 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:37,680 this week at the French and we're talking all things Tear 194 00:10:37,680 --> 00:10:39,840 Bat 2. So as we all know, we just 195 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:43,760 wrapped up the second Grand Slam of the year, and for the first 196 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:47,640 time since 2013, we had a number one take on a #2 in both the 197 00:10:47,640 --> 00:10:52,000 men's and women's finals. Just for anyone counting 2013, 198 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:55,040 that was in the US Open when Serena beat Victoria Azarenka 199 00:10:55,040 --> 00:10:58,880 and Nadal took down Novak. So what a time to be alive back 200 00:10:58,880 --> 00:11:01,840 then. But we've got a fierce foursome 201 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:04,440 who are one and two on both sides now. 202 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:08,040 And so let's dive into some of the recaps in action. 203 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:11,160 So got to start with the ATP. So the men's final just 204 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:16,680 concluded earlier today, an epic final, first Grand Slam final 205 00:11:16,680 --> 00:11:19,160 between Carlos Alcaraz and Yannick Sinner. 206 00:11:19,760 --> 00:11:22,160 I'm still processing the match. I'm still trying to find my 207 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:29,080 words for it because it was an instant classic SO5 setter for 208 00:11:29,080 --> 00:11:32,720 anyone who doesn't know. 5 1/2 hours long, the second longest 209 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:36,880 Grand Slam final ever. It was so long I woke up early 210 00:11:37,320 --> 00:11:39,520 because I'm on the West Coast and I was like, OK, cool, it'll 211 00:11:39,520 --> 00:11:42,560 start around 6:30. It'll be done by like 930. 212 00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:45,640 I had to go run errands and come back and finish it 'cause it was 213 00:11:45,640 --> 00:11:49,640 so long. And it was, honestly, I'm going 214 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:52,560 to say I, I'm, I'm still not sure, but I think it might have 215 00:11:52,560 --> 00:11:54,680 been the best tennis match I've ever seen in my life. 216 00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:59,120 No one cracked, no one flinched. It was just amazing tennis. 217 00:11:59,120 --> 00:12:03,680 Like I was audibly gasping, I was shouting, I was like, Oh my 218 00:12:03,680 --> 00:12:07,400 God, just sitting alone, so very alone in my apartment. 219 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:10,280 And it was just really incredible. 220 00:12:10,280 --> 00:12:13,160 And I couldn't figure out who I was rooting for. 221 00:12:13,880 --> 00:12:15,960 It was like basically whoever was behind, I was rooting for 222 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:19,440 'cause I wanted to keep going. Matthew, between those two, who 223 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:22,200 are you rooting for? It's so funny you say that 224 00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:24,400 because that was exactly my experience too. 225 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:28,240 Like I, I just, I, I couldn't find myself rooting against 226 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:29,760 anyone. It's like they were both 227 00:12:29,760 --> 00:12:32,480 bringing it. I mean, it took Carlos a minute 228 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:37,160 to get to get activated, but but when he did, like you said, it 229 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:40,400 just felt like we were witnessing history and like, 230 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:43,080 this is a sport that's prone to hyperbole. 231 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:45,000 And so I try to resist that as much as possible. 232 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:50,440 But like I'm with you, it feels almost strange talking about 233 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:54,880 this match already because it's like this moment that hasn't 234 00:12:54,880 --> 00:12:58,920 even settled in yet. Like, that was classic, probably 235 00:12:58,920 --> 00:13:02,640 one of the best. Like in terms of quality, in 236 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:05,600 terms of drama, in terms of intensity, one of the best Grand 237 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:07,960 Slam tennis matches of all time. It was that. 238 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:11,400 Good. You could study a specific set 239 00:13:11,480 --> 00:13:15,120 or a game or just like so many moments just for the pure 240 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:17,640 athleticism, like what these guys do. 241 00:13:17,640 --> 00:13:21,480 I mean, it used to be that a ball like behind you was no 242 00:13:21,480 --> 00:13:24,240 longer possible to get to. And these guys get to everything 243 00:13:24,640 --> 00:13:26,280 even. I mean, Sinner, you know, you 244 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:29,480 look at him, he's kind of wiry. He's obviously very strong and 245 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:34,040 alive, but he he's got wheels. He gets around, he gets to 246 00:13:34,040 --> 00:13:37,720 everything. It was power meets precision, 247 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:41,320 like I don't. And and then people were 248 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:44,080 actually starting to talk like, gosh, what would it have been 249 00:13:44,080 --> 00:13:46,080 like if Nadal faced either one of these guys? 250 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:48,880 And I don't know, I mean, this is just this is a sea change for 251 00:13:48,880 --> 00:13:52,040 me. Like this is like a a new era of 252 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:55,960 tennis. Yeah, I mean, there was a stat 253 00:13:55,960 --> 00:13:59,760 that someone said as it pertained to Yannick that I 254 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:02,800 forget if it was finals or matches, but like it was either 255 00:14:02,800 --> 00:14:04,840 finals or matches past the four hour mark. 256 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:10,440 His his record is zero and six. So there was there was a sit, 257 00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:13,280 there was a sense that as the match reached this inflection 258 00:14:13,280 --> 00:14:17,080 point that the odds against him were were shrinking. 259 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:20,360 But even then, I mean, it went to 1/5 set tie break. 260 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:23,080 So it was it was drama to the very end. 261 00:14:23,240 --> 00:14:26,560 And did you see Andre Agassi basically in tears? 262 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:33,560 I think just like moved by the state of the sport, we were in 263 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:37,560 this place where it's like tennis is alive, the blood is 264 00:14:37,560 --> 00:14:41,360 flowing through it. It is it is as glorious as any 265 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:43,200 moment when we had the big three. 266 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:47,120 I mean, it's, it's back, baby. Tennis is back. 267 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:48,920 Tennis is back. No. 268 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:50,000 Absolutely. Yeah, I know. 269 00:14:50,160 --> 00:14:53,120 It's been such a long wait since we got rid of, you know, Rafa, 270 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:54,800 Rodger and Novak. Oh, wait. 271 00:14:54,800 --> 00:14:58,160 Novak's still around. Yeah, I agree totally. 272 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:02,080 I mean, it's wild. I feel I feel bad for Sinner to 273 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:05,400 a degree at least, because he had those three match points. 274 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:09,720 It was love 40 when Carlos is serving in the fourth set and 275 00:15:10,280 --> 00:15:13,720 and Carlos comes back and then Yannick serves for it gets 276 00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:16,400 broken and and that's when it was like, oh, wait. 277 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:18,480 I mean, the fifth set was not the fifth set. 278 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:21,080 Easily could have been 6-2. It easily could have been like, 279 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:24,440 Oh my God, I lost my chance. But they just fought and fought 280 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:26,480 and fought. I mean, the tiebreaker was, you 281 00:15:26,480 --> 00:15:30,560 know, a little bit anticlimactic like which, honestly. 282 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:33,840 I don't even I don't even think it was it was and I don't think 283 00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:36,720 it was Sinner fading. I think it was Carlos just just 284 00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:41,040 absolutely having wind beneath his wings and he was he was 285 00:15:41,040 --> 00:15:43,440 soaring. He was feeling it and it it did 286 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:45,160 start to feel. That's the moment it started to 287 00:15:45,160 --> 00:15:46,760 feel inevitable was in that tiebreak. 288 00:15:46,760 --> 00:15:50,000 But but that was it was the best way for it to finish, to be 289 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:55,720 honest with you, just like seeing this star ascend like it 290 00:15:55,760 --> 00:15:57,680 was. It was rapturous. 291 00:15:57,680 --> 00:16:00,840 It was so good. Well, and now Carlos has beaten 292 00:16:00,840 --> 00:16:04,920 him five times in a row, which is kind of crazy. 293 00:16:04,920 --> 00:16:09,320 He is so head and shoulders above literally everyone else. 294 00:16:09,680 --> 00:16:11,800 But Carlos has him figured out to a degree. 295 00:16:11,800 --> 00:16:14,800 We've got to say that at least. Like he's five times in a row. 296 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:17,840 Like something is something has clicked for Carlos. 297 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:20,600 What's your take on like? Why does Carlos seem to have 298 00:16:20,640 --> 00:16:24,200 Yannick's number? I mean I. 299 00:16:24,280 --> 00:16:26,160 And what is his number for our listeners? 300 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:31,720 See the answer to me, Paul, what is this number? 301 00:16:31,800 --> 00:16:35,760 I don't think how do I, how do I-69 OK? 302 00:16:35,840 --> 00:16:40,160 I think half of it is the length, half of it is half of it 303 00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:43,480 is the length of the match, half of it is the girth of the match. 304 00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:47,560 No, but I think, I think Carlos and these are two players that 305 00:16:47,560 --> 00:16:50,120 are so competitive that when they're both having a good day, 306 00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:53,760 the match is just going to be long and it's going to be tight. 307 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:55,920 I I I can't keep doing this. Girl. 308 00:16:56,720 --> 00:16:58,600 This is painful. It's pride month. 309 00:16:58,600 --> 00:17:00,280 OK. So for all the listeners out 310 00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:02,160 there, we have we have a little latitude. 311 00:17:03,920 --> 00:17:05,440 Yeah, exactly. If you're offended by this, then 312 00:17:05,440 --> 00:17:08,760 you're no longer an ally. Exactly. 313 00:17:08,760 --> 00:17:10,359 Yeah, Go give yourself 20 lashings. 314 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:12,880 Yeah. But then, you know, I mean, half 315 00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:16,680 of it is, is the way that I think Carlos is able to spread 316 00:17:16,680 --> 00:17:19,599 the court so much. I mean, Yannick is he's got 317 00:17:19,599 --> 00:17:22,240 wingspan. But you just, the longer that 318 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:25,200 match went on, you would see him lunging for these balls. 319 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:29,520 And it's like he would literally have to like, his back would be 320 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:33,560 parallel to the ground. And I just think that that sort 321 00:17:33,560 --> 00:17:36,680 of physicality, especially when you're as tall as he is, it just 322 00:17:36,680 --> 00:17:40,000 wears you down like, like gravity gets the best of you. 323 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:43,200 And Carlos would just, he would just go corner to corner. 324 00:17:44,040 --> 00:17:47,160 I think that's a good point. I mean, he didn't show many 325 00:17:47,160 --> 00:17:49,680 signs of being tired, but he showed a few. 326 00:17:49,960 --> 00:17:52,320 There were a few times where he got up a little slower. 327 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:55,200 He wasn't like limping, but he maybe looked like he was 328 00:17:55,200 --> 00:17:57,120 cramping a little bit. I mean, there were moments. 329 00:17:57,920 --> 00:18:00,600 Oh, you know what it is? This is the analogy for me. 330 00:18:00,800 --> 00:18:03,240 It's like when you boil a lobster alive. 331 00:18:03,480 --> 00:18:06,840 They don't know that they're being boiled alive, but suddenly 332 00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:09,480 it's just so hot and you're so tired and you go to sleep. 333 00:18:10,800 --> 00:18:14,040 Well, that's exactly right. That's well. 334 00:18:14,040 --> 00:18:16,520 And honestly in in a lot of ways, that's what happened with 335 00:18:16,520 --> 00:18:19,000 the whole match. But I feel like we see this a 336 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:23,760 lot, surprisingly a lot from even the big Three, like 337 00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:27,520 especially Djokovic and Nadal, where it doesn't matter if 338 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:30,440 they're two sets down, it doesn't matter it it, it 339 00:18:30,560 --> 00:18:34,240 honestly, it's like they still have an over 50% chance of 340 00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:36,000 winning that match. And I think that that is what 341 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:41,520 separates the the, you know, Hall of Farmers record book 342 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:44,440 players from just the the truly great players. 343 00:18:44,440 --> 00:18:47,960 So, yeah, I think Center has that in him, too. 344 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:52,440 But I just think, you know, the coin did not flip his way today. 345 00:18:53,280 --> 00:18:54,440 Yeah. I mean, he easily could have 346 00:18:54,440 --> 00:18:55,400 won. I mean, they won. 347 00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:57,880 I think there was one point difference between the total 348 00:18:57,880 --> 00:19:00,440 number of points and. Yeah, and Sinner one more 349 00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:03,680 Sinner, Sinner one more points than Alka has in the match. 350 00:19:03,760 --> 00:19:05,560 A single bias alone point to your point. 351 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:09,000 I think one last thing I would add to that is I I agree with 352 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:11,240 especially when you're talking about like being down 2 sets. 353 00:19:11,560 --> 00:19:15,200 Even though he was down 2 sets, I don't think there was ever a 354 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:21,520 time that Carlos even even in his own mind thought I can't win 355 00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:24,440 this. He was self vamosing like he was 356 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:28,520 like he never gave up every single point, even when he's 357 00:19:28,520 --> 00:19:31,840 down love 40 triple championship point. 358 00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:36,280 He was not giving up and that that mindset I think really 359 00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:39,520 helped too. So and like I. 360 00:19:39,560 --> 00:19:43,600 Have to say that all the all the skeptics of five set tennis are 361 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:46,880 in shambles after that match. Like it is really hard. 362 00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:48,840 It is really hard to have a debate. 363 00:19:49,120 --> 00:19:51,680 And, and I feel like we could spend not this episode, but 364 00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:54,440 maybe sometime down the line, like we should talk about should 365 00:19:54,520 --> 00:19:57,800 the women's Slam matches be 5 sets? 366 00:19:58,400 --> 00:20:01,920 Because with that, with that create, create the same sort of 367 00:20:02,320 --> 00:20:05,080 historic drama that it does on the ATP side. 368 00:20:05,280 --> 00:20:08,520 But, but we have a lot to cover and and I, I don't think we have 369 00:20:08,520 --> 00:20:11,720 time to stay with that one in. Well, no, but if that is related 370 00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:13,560 to something we're going to talk about later, which is why there 371 00:20:13,560 --> 00:20:16,160 were no women's matches at night, but we'll get to that in 372 00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:19,280 a little bit. But just finishing up on this 373 00:20:19,280 --> 00:20:22,520 this epic match and one last shout out to Andre Agassi when 374 00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:26,760 he was on Andy Roddick's podcast and also Andre, Andre Agassi, if 375 00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:28,960 you want to come on this show, like please, we'll, we'll we'll 376 00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:33,080 talk also, But in the meantime, we'll just report what we heard 377 00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:36,400 on served, which was that, you know, these number ones that 378 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:39,720 come around, the really great ones, the ones with staying 379 00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:41,720 power are ones that have changed the game. 380 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:45,840 It's like Chrissy ever and Martina Serena, they all brought 381 00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:48,640 something that the tennis world hadn't seen before. 382 00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:51,280 Same with the big three. They all did something that no 383 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:54,960 one else was able to do. Or you know, or or Pete Sampras, 384 00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:56,600 another great example like they changed the game. 385 00:20:56,920 --> 00:21:01,280 These two guys are changing the game, not just by one level, but 386 00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:04,640 I think that they have elevated it to something that is just 387 00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:06,680 almost was thought to be impossible. 388 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:08,920 It's they, they've ripped up what's possible to do on a 389 00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:12,680 tennis court. And it's like, I'm so excited to 390 00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:15,840 see what's going to happen. I also feel bad that like one of 391 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:19,400 them alone would have just become the dominant alpha. 392 00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:22,520 But like, they've got to, they've got to put up with each 393 00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:24,960 other now for the next 10 years and we get to watch that. 394 00:21:25,360 --> 00:21:28,440 So that's pretty. Fucking awesome is that is that 395 00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:30,960 like they're going to push each other and it and it's and this 396 00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:35,320 is I think this is a catalyst this match because, like you 397 00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:38,160 said, it's it's the first slam final we've had between these 398 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:42,320 two guys and and I think that we've just witnessed something 399 00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:45,080 incredible kick off. So let's see what happens in the 400 00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:48,240 next few years. Yeah, and without, without 401 00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:51,360 Yannick around, Carlos's form wasn't that great this spring. 402 00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:56,200 So no more no more suspensions for a ridiculous charges, 403 00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:58,240 please. A few other matches on the men's 404 00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:02,680 side that are just kind of worth talking about briefly was the 405 00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:05,680 semis. Of course, we had Carlos against 406 00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:10,080 Lorenzo Mousetti, our favorite, soon to be two times daddy. 407 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:13,640 That was a pretty great battle the first two sets. 408 00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:15,560 And then Musetti pulled his groin. 409 00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:18,960 What a waste of a groin. Had to retire after losing 8 410 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:21,120 games in a row. He's had such a great clay 411 00:22:21,120 --> 00:22:25,080 season, but it was a little bit of a bummer of a way to go out 412 00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:30,960 and he kind of took over Fritz's route, which hey, look again, we 413 00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:34,600 we like to make a lot of bold claims and statements on the on 414 00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:36,000 the ball boys. But hey, we called it like 415 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:38,160 Fritz. Fritz is an amazing player, but 416 00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:41,040 he is not the 4th best clay quarter out there. 417 00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:43,440 And as everyone knows, he lost in the first round. 418 00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:45,840 And so Mustadi took his place, which I think is fair. 419 00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:51,280 And then the other semi final was Yannick center against Novak 420 00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:53,800 Djokovic. Considering how Yannick was 421 00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:59,000 tearing a new hole in everybody until that semi, it was 3 pretty 422 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:02,800 compelling sets. And Novak at a certain point he 423 00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:06,240 was kind of redlining and and really going for it. 424 00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:10,120 But Sinner was just Sinner was too good for a redlining Novak. 425 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:15,440 And then, OK, I, I'm almost afraid to, to admit this, but I 426 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:18,200 almost accidentally started rooting for Novak. 427 00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:20,200 I don't know why. Maybe because he was finally 428 00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:22,480 truly an underdog. He's never really been an 429 00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:24,280 underdog in my book in any match. 430 00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:27,320 He's been a playing possum. He's been a little bit of a 431 00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:29,320 bitch. He's been, you know, whatever. 432 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:34,280 But like this time I was like, oh, and so I don't know, I, I, I 433 00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:36,560 don't know if I was rooting for him, but I was feeling feelings 434 00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:40,840 that I've never felt for Novak. And then after the match, Novak 435 00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:43,280 says, well, that might have been my last time on Roland Garros, 436 00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:46,680 which literally a week ago he was saying, I can't wait to play 437 00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:48,960 the Los Angeles Olympics in 2028. 438 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:50,560 So I don't know what the hell is going on. 439 00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:52,560 But I, I mean, Matthew, what's your take? 440 00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:55,360 Is he actually going to retire or is he just? 441 00:23:55,400 --> 00:24:00,240 Kind of being a bitch. I mean, Novak knows how to play 442 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:04,320 the press. Like he know, he knows he's a 443 00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:07,480 stunt queen. You know, he knows he knows how 444 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:09,440 to how to get the blogosphere talking. 445 00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:15,400 I, yeah, of course he is going to retire at some point. 446 00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:19,040 Do I think that this is his last rolling Garros? 447 00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:23,280 Like, no, no, I, I it would just be to me, that to me, that's 448 00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:25,680 stupid. I just, I feel like in his own 449 00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:31,200 head, he's built up this reputation and this legacy, and 450 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:38,160 he's watched his two compatriots from the big three literally go 451 00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:42,360 out like play tennis until their bodies physically would not let 452 00:24:42,360 --> 00:24:45,200 them do it anymore. And does he really want to be 453 00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:51,000 the one of the three who just, oh, I'm not, I'm, I'm not, you 454 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:52,800 know, I'm 90% of what I used to be. 455 00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:53,960 So I'm not going to play anymore. 456 00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:56,480 I just don't really feel like that fits with the narrative 457 00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:59,840 he's constructed for himself and that he's given the world. 458 00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:03,560 So I, I would be surprised. I frankly, I bet he plays until 459 00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:06,560 he's 40, which is, which is around the corner. 460 00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:10,240 But like, I think it's another few years, not another one year. 461 00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:18,000 Yeah, I see a world where in his mind he wants to play just like 462 00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:21,360 one week longer than Rodger Federer just cuz that's like 463 00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:23,440 that's sort of competitive mindset. 464 00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:25,360 He's like, no, I'm I'm gonna make it last. 465 00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:29,920 But the only thing that I think might have happened that might 466 00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:33,720 make a legitimate statement on his part is like that Sinner 467 00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:36,360 match might have been a rude awakening where he's like, wait, 468 00:25:36,360 --> 00:25:39,560 wait a minute. I like does he want to spend the 469 00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:41,760 next two years losing in the semi finals? 470 00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:44,320 I. Don't know, he's accomplished 471 00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:46,920 pretty much everything he wants to accomplish at this point. 472 00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:50,000 I mean, there it's like they keep finding records for him to 473 00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:51,200 break. And I always keep shocked. 474 00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:53,760 There's always some new stat that like they published about 475 00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:55,400 Novak. I'm like, got another one. 476 00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:58,400 But I like he's got to be running out at this point. 477 00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:01,520 Yeah. So maybe like, I get it. 478 00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:05,520 If it were, if it were me and I were him, I'd be like, I'm, I'm 479 00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:09,800 about of here, like with me and me and my millions of dollars 480 00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:13,880 and all my, you know, my, my, yeah, 1,000,000 trophies. 481 00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:16,080 Like I, I, I would have been out of there years ago. 482 00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:21,920 But I just, I, I, we know Novak kind of has a, a God complex and 483 00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:25,160 I'm not even like shading him, but I'm just, I'm, I'm saying 484 00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:29,960 he's, he is the, he's the, the world's best ever at the sport. 485 00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:32,920 And I just feel like he's probably going to be pretty 486 00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:35,480 precious with his legacy at the end of the day, but we'll see. 487 00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:38,480 Yeah, absolutely. Well, there is a point, I think 488 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:43,320 that it it you have to question the not mental like the sanity. 489 00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:46,760 But there there is a obsessive mindset for some people who are 490 00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:50,120 like, no, I want to be the best ever and to have that mindset 491 00:26:50,120 --> 00:26:52,840 and to sacrifice everything in the name of that. 492 00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:56,520 You know, it is something that that, yeah, Novak has that not 493 00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:58,240 many people have. And, you know, yeah, if you had 494 00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:01,840 that mindset, you, you know, you wouldn't be sitting here talking 495 00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:04,960 to me. Yeah, winning. 496 00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:09,360 You'd be out there winning. Matches I'd be, here I'd be I'd 497 00:27:09,360 --> 00:27:12,200 be podding with you. Well, either way, we're going to 498 00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:13,640 see what the hell happens with Novak. 499 00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:17,040 And you know, hell, maybe I'll even root for maybe I'll maybe 500 00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:20,200 I'll even make it on to the Bay TP because as we've all talked 501 00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:24,080 about in the last few years, his dumper is getting real juicy. 502 00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:26,880 So he's got that. So good for you, Novak. 503 00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:30,520 Well, on the women's side, just as compelling, maybe even some 504 00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:35,280 more compelling storylines, starting with the final, we have 505 00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:37,520 Coco Goff taking on Arena Sabalinka. 506 00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:40,120 I was absolutely wrong about this one. 507 00:27:40,120 --> 00:27:42,080 I thought that it was going to be a bloodbath. 508 00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:45,760 I was really concerned given how Coco had made the final at 509 00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:49,880 Madrid in the final at Rome and really went out with a whimper, 510 00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:52,760 did not put up much a fight, including losing to Sabalinka at 511 00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:56,360 Madrid. She also was kind of very open 512 00:27:56,360 --> 00:28:00,760 about perspective, saying hey, it's OK, Like this isn't the 513 00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:02,440 biggest deal. It's not the world's ending. 514 00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:06,200 If I lose, which I was saying to people like that sounds like 515 00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:08,360 what someone who is about to lose says. 516 00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:12,200 Like I wanted her like crying, I wanted her throwing up. 517 00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:15,160 I wanted her being like, I want this so bad or I'm going to. 518 00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:20,400 But hey guys, I was wrong. I was so wrong because she 519 00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:23,320 starts out really slowed, goes down 1/4. 520 00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:27,280 I think almost 15. Paul's are pretty even in the 521 00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:29,760 first set, loses it, but then comes back and wins in three 522 00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:34,440 sets over Subalanka. OK, so if the men's final was a 523 00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:38,520 new stratosphere of, of tennis, I'm not sure the women's final 524 00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:41,960 necessarily was that. Like, I wasn't like, obsessed 525 00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:44,440 with with the play. It was a bit of a sloppy match 526 00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:45,760 because the weather wasn't great. 527 00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:48,400 Sabalinka had something like 70 errors. 528 00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:54,600 But wow, fuck, fuck yeah. Coco wins her second Grand Slam. 529 00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:55,400 I don't know. Amazing. 530 00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:58,440 What do you think? I think that yes, she's finally 531 00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:03,680 joined the the the pantheon of other greats like Krachikova 532 00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:06,880 with with her two slams. And cuz Natova. 533 00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:09,800 I'm sure, I'm, I'm sure that's all, that's literally all that 534 00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:11,720 was going through her mind at that moment was. 535 00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:14,040 She's the new Krachikova. I want to, I want to make, I 536 00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:19,640 want to make Mama proud. Yeah, No, I I agree with 537 00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:22,960 everything that you said. It was it was a very compelling 538 00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:25,880 match. The drama was there 2 champions 539 00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:31,760 out there totally battling kind of confirmation that Sabalenka 540 00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:35,640 just is not great at playing in wind like when the conditions 541 00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:38,200 aren't great. I mean, I think, you know, Eaga, 542 00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:40,120 Eaga has that skill, Coco has that skill. 543 00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:44,200 I just think arena doesn't. I mean, she's a very, she's a, 544 00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:48,760 a, a rhythm player and she was denied any rhythm in that match 545 00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:55,120 and, and it really showed. It's a little concerning to see 546 00:29:55,360 --> 00:30:00,200 her have all of these close calls in slam finals lately 547 00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:02,200 where it just feels like the mentality gets the better of 548 00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:06,880 her. I mean, she was just playing 549 00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:13,640 kind of badly at times. You know, just every, everything 550 00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:18,280 was was a high risk shot. And I mean, her, her coach had 551 00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:21,040 even come out and said before the match, you know, that that 552 00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:26,000 when when she gets stressed, she has a she has a tendency to just 553 00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:30,080 really revert into the the dumbest version of her game. 554 00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:33,120 And we saw it. It's like it was a little bit of 555 00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:37,360 a self destruction. But she's good enough that even 556 00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:40,720 when she was and had no rhythm whatsoever, it was still an 557 00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:44,760 extremely competitive match. Oh yeah, I love Coco. 558 00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:51,360 You know, it feels like the tennis world, there's been a bit 559 00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:55,080 of a thumbing of their nose at the thought of of Coco actually 560 00:30:55,080 --> 00:31:01,520 kind of having earned this place at the very, very top of the 561 00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:03,160 sport. You know, it's like we it's a 562 00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:06,000 people love to rag her forehand. I mean, we've talked about her 563 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:11,800 serve, but I just think she is that good. 564 00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:14,160 She just is. She's a competitor. 565 00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:16,360 She can win. She can win ugly. 566 00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:20,520 She can also win beautifully. Like she she has it in her and 567 00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:25,880 she still has so much upside. It has been a joy watching her 568 00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:29,760 prove the haters wrong. I agree, I think she is in 569 00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:31,560 danger of becoming the queen of winning ugly. 570 00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:34,800 Like when the conditions are bad, my money's always going to 571 00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:37,400 be on Coco because she her adaptability is better than 572 00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:40,160 anyone else out there and her athleticism. 573 00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:42,400 Climate change. Climate change is real. 574 00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:46,360 So maybe the maybe the odds are are increasingly in her favor. 575 00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:49,720 It's like, yeah, new strategy when you play Sabalinka, like 576 00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:53,120 bring fans, bring like wind turbines, like it's just, you 577 00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:56,600 know, there's there's another factor out there to think about. 578 00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:59,440 I think the most unfortunate part of this for Sabalenka has 579 00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:04,240 been her post match behavior, starting with when she was at 580 00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:09,760 the podium apologizing because she played so poorly, which can 581 00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:11,800 sound like a little bit of like, oh, wow. 582 00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:14,160 Like she's really like thoughtful and like, like almost 583 00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:17,000 like a humility. But it's it, you know, in that 584 00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:19,920 moment, it was taking a the shine a little bit off of Coco, 585 00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:23,440 like, oh, I'm guys, I'm so sorry you came out to for this. 586 00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:25,760 And I played like shit like that. 587 00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:29,360 That's not very gracious. But then after in the post match 588 00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:32,640 interviews in the press, she double S down on it about how 589 00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:37,680 bad she played and even saying like if if ego had beaten her in 590 00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:40,320 their semi final, ego would have definitely beaten Coco. 591 00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:43,720 It it was a completely unnecessary sound bite to have 592 00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:47,560 out there. Like I love Sabalenka's 593 00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:52,240 personality until right now and I do not love this. 594 00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:57,280 Like this is real ungracious and it's shitty. 595 00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:03,360 It's, it's true, but it but it's, you have to sort of work 596 00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:05,720 through like the mental, the logic of why? 597 00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:08,720 Because it's like we talk so much about how we love her 598 00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:13,080 unfiltered personality, but like at the same time, when you are a 599 00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:16,920 professional at anything, you have to have enough of a filter 600 00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:19,040 to be respectful of your fellow players. 601 00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:25,320 Like it's OK for us, you know, number #16 Tennis podcast. 602 00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:29,040 In the world. To like to like shake these 603 00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:30,640 players and rag on them a little bit. 604 00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:36,680 But I, I, I don't truly think that she meant disrespect, but 605 00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:41,080 she gave disrespect objectively. And it's got to be a learning. 606 00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:42,960 It's got to be a learning experience from her. 607 00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:47,960 And I think that, you know, it's probably in a weird way like 608 00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:50,480 it's just, it's always good for players to have these moments 609 00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:52,920 where they can self reflect and be like, well, that was shitty 610 00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:55,360 and it's something to work on and, and she needs to. 611 00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:56,360 Big time. Yeah. 612 00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:58,080 Because. And then Coco handled it great 613 00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:00,960 when she the reporters then asked her how she felt about 614 00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:03,600 that statement. And Coco was extremely gracious 615 00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:05,680 and just basically saying like, hey, I don't agree with that. 616 00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:09,760 Like the everything about it made me like Coco even more. 617 00:34:10,159 --> 00:34:14,159 Look I when her serve and forehand suck, I hate it. 618 00:34:14,199 --> 00:34:17,800 I hope it gets cleaned up. But Despite that she wins. 619 00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:20,480 That's that's a pretty powerful thing going on. 620 00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:23,199 That's the kind of match I want to see is I want to see someone 621 00:34:23,199 --> 00:34:26,280 who is fighting their demons, you know? 622 00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:29,840 Exactly. And it's, it's that is a really 623 00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:33,600 compelling match narrative. But like it, it really I'm, I'm 624 00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:35,400 challenged. I don't, we've spent a lot of 625 00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:38,040 time on the on the Sinner versus Algras match. 626 00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:39,440 So I don't want to go back there. 627 00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:42,639 But I'm like, I'm challenging my own narratives of what I love 628 00:34:42,639 --> 00:34:48,800 about tennis because that was just the most insanely high 629 00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:53,800 level tennis match. And like, that was it was I 630 00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:56,080 loved it more than I've loved a tennis match in a long time. 631 00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:59,240 So it's like maybe, maybe I don't want to see like the 632 00:34:59,240 --> 00:35:03,440 underdog, you know, prevail always or like, you know, it's a 633 00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:07,160 player kind of over overcoming lapses and concentration. 634 00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:09,600 It's like, no, maybe I just want to see like the two best people 635 00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:12,320 in the world absolutely throw kind of nice the wall. 636 00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:15,720 Yeah, it really it, it is. And maybe maybe there's room in 637 00:35:15,720 --> 00:35:18,320 the sport for all of it. Maybe that's the Yeah Kumbaya 638 00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:21,960 moment at the end of A at the end of the road. 639 00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:26,200 Well, and Speaking of sort of underdogs and also people giving 640 00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:29,080 it all the women's semi final had both of those things. 641 00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:32,520 So we had Coco versus Lois Buson. 642 00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:36,640 I don't know how exactly to say that Cinderella story by far of 643 00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:39,480 clay getting a lot of great wins coming out of literally nowhere. 644 00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:41,920 She's ranked somewhere in the mid three hundreds. 645 00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:45,160 French girl got a lot of crowd support. 646 00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:49,520 The crowd really lifted her over my pick of Mira Andreva. 647 00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:52,600 I know where we we we're not going to talk about women's 648 00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:55,440 bodies, but Jesus Christ, I want her fucking biceps. 649 00:35:55,440 --> 00:36:00,680 Like she is jacked. She is like a solid jock and 650 00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:03,680 what a forehand. And but she didn't have much 651 00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:07,240 magic left against Coco went out pretty pretty quickly. 652 00:36:07,240 --> 00:36:09,880 So to your point, like, yeah, the underdog is fun until it's 653 00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:11,720 not. But then the other women's semi 654 00:36:11,720 --> 00:36:18,120 final Sabalanka versus Ego. Those first two sets, Holy crap. 655 00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:21,040 Those first two sets were the most exciting 2 sets that had 656 00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:23,640 been played on the women's tour and not just this tournament all 657 00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:27,560 year by far. It it made me WT gay all over 658 00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:29,000 again. I was like what? 659 00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:34,480 Where has this been hiding? It was in Crayabla, like holy 660 00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:37,240 shit. You know, two of two of the 661 00:36:37,240 --> 00:36:40,760 three top women in the sport absolutely throwing everything 662 00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:44,000 at each other. And yeah, I mean, it's, you 663 00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:48,400 know, it's always like I always feel bad when, when ego doesn't 664 00:36:48,720 --> 00:36:51,640 go all the way at Roland Garros because it, you know, it kind of 665 00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:54,920 like I even even I feel like it is, it's her slam to some 666 00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:58,400 degree. But like, yeah, no, they, they, 667 00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:02,040 they fucking raged. They just, they play tennis. 668 00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:04,040 Like that's, that's what tennis is supposed to be. 669 00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:09,200 On like the, the, the angles, the power, the finesse, every, I 670 00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:12,400 mean, it really was akin to the men's final we had. 671 00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:16,120 It was like, whoa. And, and, and, you know, like 672 00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:20,640 the final two, it's two, it's 2 quite different game styles, but 673 00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:23,600 like each extremely competitive in their own way. 674 00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:28,000 And truly it was it was a match that, you know, with the 675 00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:31,640 exception of of the third set, like really could have gone 676 00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:32,400 either way. Yeah. 677 00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:38,000 Well, yeah, then Saablenka just went balls out and well, no 678 00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:40,440 balls out because she had 0 unforced errors in the last set. 679 00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:44,400 So yeah, I wish she saved that for the final and maybe she 680 00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:46,760 wouldn't be talking smack the way she is. 681 00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:50,080 So that's sort of like the the overall takeaways of the the 682 00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:52,320 winners and the losers of the French Open. 683 00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:54,640 And when we come back, we are going to play French toast and 684 00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:57,480 French roast to talk about everything else going on around 685 00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:07,680 Roland Garros. All right, now for a segment 686 00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:10,240 we're calling French toast or French roast. 687 00:38:10,240 --> 00:38:14,240 So French toast means we loved it and French roast means the 688 00:38:14,240 --> 00:38:18,760 opposite because there was a lot going on and some great stuff 689 00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:21,440 and some not so great stuff. So where you're going to start 690 00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:25,160 with a French toast, which is the Rafa tribute. 691 00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:28,920 So it feels like pretty very long ago, to be honest. 692 00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:31,800 It was only two weeks ago, but we had that great tribute to 693 00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:34,040 Rafa. It had everything. 694 00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:37,560 It had interpretive dance, it had a speech in three languages, 695 00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:40,040 it had a stadium spelling out Rafa's name. 696 00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:42,320 It had the BIG4 reunited on the court. 697 00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:46,160 It's getting a French toast for me because the moment that broke 698 00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:49,040 me was when they just took him over to the side of the court 699 00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:53,400 and the guy has the broom and he just starts sweeping over that 700 00:38:53,400 --> 00:39:00,600 part of Chatrier and it unveils his his footprint and it's just 701 00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:04,200 like this little plaque to him. It's not this big statue. 702 00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:07,520 It's not some sort of like, you know, garish thing. 703 00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:10,240 It's like this beautiful, poignant thing that I'd I 704 00:39:10,240 --> 00:39:14,240 started crying. It was like watching Coco for 705 00:39:14,240 --> 00:39:15,720 me. I would just Coco the movie. 706 00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:18,000 I cry at Coco every time I watch it. 707 00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:21,400 Not Coco Goth, except for when she has her serving errors. 708 00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:27,600 But it was just so beautiful. But there was also something a 709 00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:31,640 little solemn about it. Not that it was, but the plaque, 710 00:39:31,720 --> 00:39:33,560 It felt a little bit like a gravestone. 711 00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:36,400 Like it was just like, it was like his footprint. 712 00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:39,600 It made me think about more his mortality in a weird way where I 713 00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:42,560 was like, yeah, like, it's, it's like the paw print of your 714 00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:44,880 puppy. There's something like, like, 715 00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:48,040 beautiful but almost a little sad at some point. 716 00:39:48,240 --> 00:39:50,760 What's your take on on his tribute? 717 00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:55,920 I think we have to remember, which we all do, just how 718 00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:58,320 dominant he was at Roland Garros. 719 00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:02,720 I mean, he literally, I think gave a part of his soul to that 720 00:40:02,720 --> 00:40:06,240 tournament, which is probably why he looks, you know, 60 years 721 00:40:06,240 --> 00:40:08,520 old, like in certain photographs at certain angles. 722 00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:11,600 But but that's a that's a topic for another day. 723 00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:15,320 Yeah. But no, I like you know, it it 724 00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:18,120 in a weird way and like take a walk with me here, Like you 725 00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:20,920 reminded me of a of that that Kamala quote. 726 00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:25,160 You know, you exist in the context of of all the which you 727 00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:28,920 live and they came before you because that moment to me in the 728 00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:33,760 con, in the context of the tournament where with with 729 00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:40,240 Alcaraz winning and, you know, getting his fifth Grand Slam 730 00:40:40,240 --> 00:40:42,400 title at the like exact same age. 731 00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:48,400 I think to the day that Rafa got his fifth Grand Slam, there is 732 00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:54,120 a, a, a poetic symmetry to it. And and it really does feel like 733 00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:58,640 the narrative of it is, is a sort of passing of the torch. 734 00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:03,640 So I think that this was the right year and this was the 735 00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:07,200 right tournament. Yeah, tournament narrative for 736 00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:09,640 for to have that tribute. And like they you can't, you 737 00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:11,040 can't predict that at the beginning. 738 00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:13,840 But like, in the end, I feel like it was it was these two 739 00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:15,640 really nice bookends to the whole experience. 740 00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:18,360 It was beautiful. What if they did script the 741 00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:21,440 whole thing? Maybe this whole thing is a 742 00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:23,000 setup. I mean, it's like reality TV. 743 00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:26,320 Are we going Q Anon here like what's going on? 744 00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:29,360 It's more I've been falling down rabbit holes of Top Model recaps 745 00:41:29,720 --> 00:41:31,360 where they're like, no, it was all staged. 746 00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:32,760 They knew exactly who's going home when. 747 00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:35,560 So you know, that's a we'll cover that another time. 748 00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:37,200 I do love me some Top Model though. 749 00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:41,440 OK, so the next, the next one, French roast or French toast. 750 00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:46,480 We've got a French roast and this is the men being silent 751 00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:49,720 about women playing at night. So we all know, or maybe you 752 00:41:49,720 --> 00:41:53,080 don't, but if you don't know, there are night matches at 753 00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:56,600 Roland Garros and this tournament featured exactly 0 754 00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:59,320 night matches for the women because there's only one match 755 00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:02,360 at in the night session. It starts at 8:00 PM or even 756 00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:05,080 after. And the French Federation and 757 00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:08,160 Amelie Marezmo say it's because they can't guarantee a minimum 758 00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:11,800 amount of time on court with a a women's match because the women 759 00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:15,680 are are best of three. And actually, like Matthew kind 760 00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:17,960 of makes me think about what you were saying earlier in the show 761 00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:21,200 about like, well, is there an argument for women to be playing 762 00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:23,000 best of five sets in grand slams? 763 00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:27,880 That would certainly impact the amount of time that people are 764 00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:32,400 playing on court. But I found it, I found it 765 00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:36,560 noteworthy that the people speaking out about, you know, it 766 00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:38,960 doesn't seem fair that there's never women's match at night. 767 00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:41,040 We're only women and I looked for it. 768 00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:42,640 I mean, maybe there were some guys speaking out, but I 769 00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:44,920 couldn't find it. I was looking for who is making 770 00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:47,360 a statement about this and it just felt like they're like. 771 00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:50,040 It made me miss the Andy Murray's of the tour who are 772 00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:52,960 kind of like those. That's what I was, that's what I 773 00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:55,320 was daunting. If Andy was still, if Andy was 774 00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:57,720 still active, I'm sure that he would have weighed in on that 775 00:42:57,720 --> 00:42:59,880 conversation. And he would have weighed in on 776 00:42:59,880 --> 00:43:02,440 it in a really like classic Murray way. 777 00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:05,600 Like snarky, but also shut you down for even being so 778 00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:08,280 ridiculous to think that like women can't do XYZ. 779 00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:11,560 Because here my, my take on it is like, let's see what happens. 780 00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:14,760 Because there were a lot of matches, the night matches that 781 00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:18,000 we're going until like 11/11/30 at night with half half full 782 00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:20,200 stadiums. Like maybe a Wednesday night, 783 00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:22,920 people don't want to be at a tennis match all night. 784 00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:25,960 Like maybe it would have been OK to have Igash Viantek versus 785 00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:29,240 Robachna and a really great match at night. 786 00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:33,040 So my take is like, let's see, like let's give it a go. 787 00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:36,320 Without the data, we don't know if people wouldn't show up, but 788 00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:38,000 just saying now people aren't going to show up. 789 00:43:38,240 --> 00:43:39,480 That argument doesn't hold water. 790 00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:42,800 But I think that the men could have kind of said more to that's 791 00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:49,120 so that's my French roast. Yeah, I it's complicated a bit 792 00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:53,040 by the fact that I know that Ego doesn't like to play night 793 00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:57,520 matches. And I feel like, yeah, she 794 00:43:57,520 --> 00:44:00,440 doesn't like the conditions at night as much as she likes the 795 00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:03,720 conditions in the morning. So she usually will request this 796 00:44:03,720 --> 00:44:05,800 is this is what I've read. And like someone challenged me 797 00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:08,800 on this, but I've read that she requests to play morning matches 798 00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:12,880 when she can. Interestingly, I feel like and 799 00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:15,560 that that might inform her perspective on it, which like, I 800 00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:19,600 know that she got a lot of blowback, at least from the like 801 00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:23,600 the tennis fan world about how she wasn't she was asked if it 802 00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:26,480 bothered her that the woman don't play at night and she 803 00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:28,840 basically said no. I mean, it was it was a very 804 00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:32,680 like, I think her intention was like, I'm not going to I'm not 805 00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:35,760 going to stir up drama. You know, I I she just kind of 806 00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:39,560 like deflected the answer. But I mean her like, I think her 807 00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:40,600 answer was also just true to her. 808 00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:43,000 Like, no, like she'd rather play it in the day. 809 00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:47,760 Yeah, but like the whole thing is APR nightmare. 810 00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:50,720 It like it. It really boggles my mind that 811 00:44:50,720 --> 00:44:56,000 Morezmo just didn't that that they didn't like foresee this 812 00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:58,200 and kind of better. Like, really? 813 00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:01,040 Their. Talking point, like some 814 00:45:01,240 --> 00:45:05,160 something, it just felt sloppy. But I mean, you know, from a, 815 00:45:05,240 --> 00:45:11,920 from a, purely from, from a pure scheduling perspective, it 816 00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:14,920 probably does make sense to have the longer matches be played at 817 00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:20,360 night because there are, it's, it's like potentially only one 818 00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:23,320 match at night, right? It's only one match, Yeah. 819 00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:25,040 They only have one night match. Yeah. 820 00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:28,040 No, they're like, it's so it's only one after 8:00 PM, Yeah. 821 00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:34,240 So like it, like from a sheer scheduling standpoint, I think 822 00:45:34,240 --> 00:45:37,280 it makes sense. But like in when the narrative 823 00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:42,520 of the sport increasingly needs to be equity and when the slams 824 00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:47,960 have in in many ways really done a good job of of creating that 825 00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:50,680 and and we have pay equity. And it's like this just feel, it 826 00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:52,240 feels like a really weird outlier. 827 00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:55,880 And it's like, yeah, it would just, they'd get a lot of, 828 00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:59,320 they'd get a lot of easy credit for just doing the right thing 829 00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:02,640 to just stick a couple, like literally mix it up every once 830 00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:04,320 in a while. One or two, one or two. 831 00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:06,720 Let's just see what happens if people don't. 832 00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:09,920 And then if nobody shows up, if people ride on the streets and 833 00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:13,240 they're like, no, the women are out after dark, then then we'll 834 00:46:13,240 --> 00:46:17,240 know like, OK, the the audience is really fucked up, but also 835 00:46:17,240 --> 00:46:19,880 they're not showing up. So let's figure out like, OK, we 836 00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:22,480 got to adapt, but like, let's just give it a whirl. 837 00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:26,040 Yeah, let those ladies out. Now we're going to go onto a 838 00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:29,000 speed round. I'm just going to give you some 839 00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:34,000 items, and I want you, with your genius tennis acumen, to tell me 840 00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:35,560 if it's a French roast or a French toast. 841 00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:38,960 So the first one is the human line judges. 842 00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:42,120 So Roland Garros is the only Grand Slam and the rare 843 00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:45,680 tournament overall that uses humans to call the lines. 844 00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:50,440 And some say it's because on clay, Hawkeye is just slightly 845 00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:53,080 less accurate than it is on other surfaces because the dust 846 00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:55,840 comes up and it can be just slightly inaccurate. 847 00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:57,800 And there have been there's been this trend this year of all 848 00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:00,880 these people taking photos of their line that they think is in 849 00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:05,280 or out or whatever. And so but we're we're 850 00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:07,520 reintroducing human error because humans also make 851 00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:11,120 mistakes. And they're today cost Sinner at 852 00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:16,760 2-3 in the fifth, he was close to breaking and a serve that was 853 00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:19,200 called in was actually out, according to Hawkeye. 854 00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:21,880 And Sinner lost that point. And it would have been, you 855 00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:23,320 know, who knows? Who knows? 856 00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:27,840 So we're introducing human error back in Is that a French roast 857 00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:30,520 or a French toast? Toast is good, roast is bad. 858 00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:33,200 Oh, toast is. Cheers to you. 859 00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:36,480 I thought it was like roast beef and like, I really like, I 860 00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:38,720 really like beef, so I like meat. 861 00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:45,600 And I think maybe I was thinking like a French dip or something, 862 00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:46,760 I don't know. OK. 863 00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:48,440 Let me start. I was thinking like a roast, 864 00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:50,720 like a comedy roast of somebody like, oh, we're going to roast 865 00:47:50,720 --> 00:47:54,920 you because that sucks. I'm going to make this one. 866 00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:56,160 I'm going to make this one simple. 867 00:47:56,760 --> 00:48:01,880 It is a French roast because it's going to go the way of the 868 00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:05,880 dodo in like two or three years. So we are literally just, yeah, 869 00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:08,720 belonging the inevitable. We're belonging the inevitable. 870 00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:12,080 Like other clay court tournaments on the year are on 871 00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:16,160 tour have shifted over to Hawkeye or you know, electronic 872 00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:20,280 line calling it is it is even this narrative of it. 873 00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:23,960 If it being less accurate on clay is is bullshit because you 874 00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:28,320 know what is far less accurate than Hawkeye on clay is human 875 00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:30,960 line judges so. Yeah. 876 00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:33,920 So it just it just doesn't hold water. 877 00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:38,440 I sure I could wax poetic about why I think that, you know, 878 00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:41,800 there are, there are these kind of interesting moments of like 879 00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:44,320 creating drama within a match, like when there is the human 880 00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:47,040 element. But ultimately, like, that is 881 00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:48,720 just not the way that the sport is going. 882 00:48:48,720 --> 00:48:51,840 And like if I were a player, I would just want the call to be 883 00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:54,560 right more than anything. Exactly, exactly. 884 00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:58,160 And there is a world where like the the chair umpire can 885 00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:00,680 overrule Hawkeye. Like if it's like clearly like 886 00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:03,520 the Hawkeye fucked up, then like then the chair umpire can be 887 00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:06,120 like, look, it's clearly in or clearly out. 888 00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:08,920 Like we don't have to be slaves to the technology. 889 00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:12,080 I think there's still some some it's. 890 00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:16,920 Been there very specific rules because it's actually very, 891 00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:19,520 very, very difficult for the chair umpire to to overrule 892 00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:22,840 Hawkeye. Well, OK, fine, but maybe 893 00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:26,320 overrule like, I don't know, Captain Marvel or some other 894 00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:29,840 Avenger if not Hawkeye. One one of the good ones with 895 00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:31,240 like the good pilgrims, right? Yeah. 896 00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:34,560 Yeah, yeah, yeah. But that also leads me to my 897 00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:38,480 next question for you. So with these lines judges, you 898 00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:39,800 know, it's a more crowded on the court. 899 00:49:40,200 --> 00:49:45,560 And my next French roast meaning bad or toast meaning good. 900 00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:50,880 Is Lorenzo Mousetti not getting defaulted for when he kicked the 901 00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:53,240 tennis ball into the lines person's tit? 902 00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:59,640 So he was playing against Thiafo in the quarters. 903 00:49:59,920 --> 00:50:03,360 He was he he, you know, made a mistake, kicked the ball and it 904 00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:08,000 hit the lines person with the same ish velocity that that ball 905 00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:10,240 hit the lines person. When Novak was defaulted from 906 00:50:10,240 --> 00:50:15,040 the US Open, he received a warning and I am glad he wasn't 907 00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:16,520 defaulted. But in the names of all things 908 00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:19,120 being fair, I don't know, maybe he should have been defaulted. 909 00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:22,240 So Lorenzo Moussati not getting defaulted? 910 00:50:22,240 --> 00:50:24,920 Is that a roast or a toast for you? 911 00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:31,160 That is a that is a toast for me, but the roast is the 912 00:50:31,720 --> 00:50:34,520 absolute inconsistency with which this rule is applied. 913 00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:39,960 I feel like the, the, the, the ITF should really take a look at 914 00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:44,920 their rules on this and a really, really, really make like 915 00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:50,160 when it's an obvious obvious intentional like abuse, then I 916 00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:52,240 think that it should be 0 tolerance. 917 00:50:52,240 --> 00:50:54,600 And when it's not, I think that there should be a lot of leeway. 918 00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:58,240 But it, it is so inconsistently applied right now that it makes 919 00:50:58,240 --> 00:51:01,680 the whole system look bad. But like him, he should not have 920 00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:03,360 gotten defaulting for that in my opinion. 921 00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:06,600 And I'm, I'm glad he didn't. And I think that like the 922 00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:08,280 tournament would have suffered if it had happened. 923 00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:12,080 But are you glad that Novak was defaulted in 2020 when he did 924 00:51:12,080 --> 00:51:17,400 that to that lines person? Oh yeah, that's. 925 00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:19,600 The problem. That's the problem. 926 00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:23,120 I'm allowed to be inconsistent but like but but the but. 927 00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:26,360 No one else can. Organizers of tennis are not OK. 928 00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:27,880 That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it. 929 00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:30,960 No, I look, I agree. I'm glad he wasn't defaulted. 930 00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:32,120 But hey. And I think you're right. 931 00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:33,800 It's like it all comes down to intent. 932 00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:39,280 So yeah, more leeway. OK, last one. 933 00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:43,680 French roast or French toast? The French crowd. 934 00:51:44,080 --> 00:51:48,600 So the French crowd is pretty notorious for vociferous support 935 00:51:48,600 --> 00:51:53,960 for their hometown heroes. The mensic Mueller atmosphere 936 00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:57,880 was absolutely insane. I think it was Court 14. 937 00:51:57,880 --> 00:52:01,040 It was one of the more intimate crowds where it was just that it 938 00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:03,800 was so loud and they were chanting and it was like a it 939 00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:09,360 was like a football stadium. It was like very palpable and 940 00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:11,840 and and Mencic was kind of shady during the match. 941 00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:13,120 He. Was studied the playbook of his 942 00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:16,040 idol Novak, and was was really dipping into his his. 943 00:52:16,120 --> 00:52:18,840 His reactions, which does not go well. 944 00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:23,360 It does not go well to turn the crowd against you and and he did 945 00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:29,200 you know, but then so I think after Jamie moon hours match 946 00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:32,280 against Arthur fees, he talked about how the French crowd is 947 00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:33,840 the most annoying crowd on earth. 948 00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:38,440 The crowd definitely helped Boson beat Mira Andreva in the 949 00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:47,320 quarters and also that God damn cheer Olay. 950 00:52:48,720 --> 00:52:50,520 I don't ever need to hear it again. 951 00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:53,120 It's over. Thank God the season of that is 952 00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:57,040 fucking over. But Matthew Coleman French 953 00:52:57,040 --> 00:52:59,560 crowd. Are they a roast or a toast? 954 00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:04,600 Well, I I feel like I can see where your head lies on this 955 00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:07,680 one, but honestly like it. The French crowd has a total 956 00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:08,640 toast. Are you kidding? 957 00:53:09,080 --> 00:53:13,200 Are you kidding me? Like too much passion from a fan 958 00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:17,920 base towards the sport is not something to roast like we 959 00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:19,160 should be. We should be lucky. 960 00:53:19,160 --> 00:53:20,440 And you know what it's going to do? 961 00:53:20,720 --> 00:53:25,080 It is going to get other passionate tennis fans from 962 00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:28,360 across the world to want to show up to like represent their 963 00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:32,240 player and and balance it out. It's going to make the players 964 00:53:32,240 --> 00:53:35,440 like really kind of tap into their mentality and hone it and 965 00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:37,600 learn how to how to overcome the crowd. 966 00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:39,840 It it, it makes the sport better. 967 00:53:40,040 --> 00:53:43,400 As much as tennis is a gentleman and gentle woman's sport, it's 968 00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:47,440 like an excited crowd is good. We need that. 969 00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:49,720 That's sad. It's not a bad thing. 970 00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:53,880 I, I hear what you're saying and I think that there are moments 971 00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:57,440 in a match for that level of raucousness and excitement. 972 00:53:57,440 --> 00:53:59,160 But I guess I'm still just, you know what? 973 00:53:59,160 --> 00:54:01,640 I'm a crotchety old man. I'm in my early to mid, late 974 00:54:01,640 --> 00:54:05,240 twenties, 30s or 40s and I just, I like it. 975 00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:07,600 I like a quieter match for the most part. 976 00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:11,320 And then an uproarious moment for me, it's for me, it's a 977 00:54:11,320 --> 00:54:14,200 roast, for you, it's a toast. And that's OK. 978 00:54:14,200 --> 00:54:17,280 We don't agree on everything, but I am the scorekeeper. 979 00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:19,400 And so out of those three, you got 2 correct. 980 00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:24,200 So congratulations, you still win a prize, which is another 981 00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:29,200 candle from Beth Body Works. So that that was French roast or 982 00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:32,040 French toast, everybody. And we're going to wrap up now 983 00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:34,400 with just a quick preview of the Bay Teepee. 984 00:54:35,360 --> 00:54:37,200 So what does all this mean? What does all the stuff that 985 00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:40,040 we've been talking about mean? Well, we look again to the Bay 986 00:54:40,040 --> 00:54:42,840 Teepee where we rank the top eight men. 987 00:54:43,240 --> 00:54:47,280 We're ranking the men and this is based on on court and off 988 00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:50,240 court performance. You know, if you had us talking, 989 00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:55,000 if you beat one of our villains that we love to see lose, if you 990 00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:58,760 have a celebration that is worth celebrating, if you win the 991 00:54:58,760 --> 00:55:02,200 goddamn tournament, those are all worth BTP points. 992 00:55:02,200 --> 00:55:04,840 And it is cumulative. It's been going on now for a few 993 00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:06,840 months. And so we've got the top eight 994 00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:09,160 that you can head on over to Instagram and see the top 8. 995 00:55:09,160 --> 00:55:13,840 Now one quick caveat. Someone actually asked, I don't 996 00:55:13,840 --> 00:55:17,240 know if they asked, but they sort of commented, hey, Jack 997 00:55:17,240 --> 00:55:21,320 Draper should be on this. And look, I'm sticking to it at 998 00:55:21,320 --> 00:55:24,200 least during Pride Month that someone who goes on record 999 00:55:24,200 --> 00:55:26,360 saying that they would really love to have lunch with Donald 1000 00:55:26,360 --> 00:55:29,000 Trump loses a lot of bait teepee points. 1001 00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:31,280 You know that you can gain some and you can lose some. 1002 00:55:31,560 --> 00:55:34,560 And when you say that, you know, like, yes, Jack Draper, arguably 1003 00:55:34,560 --> 00:55:37,520 not even arguably one of the hottest players in tennis abso 1004 00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:40,000 freaking lutely. But until there's a little more 1005 00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:42,560 clarity about that lunch, until I know what they're going to 1006 00:55:42,560 --> 00:55:44,640 order. Or if he's still, you know, 1007 00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:48,520 wanting to meet Donald Trump, sorry ladies, that's a deal 1008 00:55:48,520 --> 00:55:51,040 breaker. So just some highlights though 1009 00:55:51,040 --> 00:55:53,760 of our top three. Yes, Carlitos has reclaimed the 1010 00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:58,120 top spot in the Bay TP 'cause there is nothing sexier than 1011 00:55:58,120 --> 00:56:01,440 winning a Grand Slam, especially Roland Garros, except for maybe 1012 00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:05,280 coming back from being down 2 sets to love, which he also did. 1013 00:56:05,640 --> 00:56:08,680 So for those reasons and many more Carlitos, even though 1014 00:56:08,680 --> 00:56:12,360 you're wearing a rugby inspired kit, you are the top bait. 1015 00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:16,320 TP We've got Arthur Fees back in the top 8 all the way back up to 1016 00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:21,200 #2 Mostly because it was unhinged celebration after 1017 00:56:21,200 --> 00:56:24,640 beating Munar, who we just talked about, which everyone was 1018 00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:27,280 posting and reposting him, just stripping off that shirt and 1019 00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:32,880 going full, full football mode. And then we also have Tommy Paul 1020 00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:36,080 rounding out the top three because he reached a career high 1021 00:56:36,080 --> 00:56:39,320 of eight in the world after another strong showing at Roland 1022 00:56:39,320 --> 00:56:41,240 Garros. He kind of whimpered out with an 1023 00:56:41,240 --> 00:56:44,960 abdominal strain, but he certainly had a great fighting 1024 00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:47,920 spirit through a couple of real, real tricky matches. 1025 00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:49,840 So Tommy Paul, you are back in the top three. 1026 00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:52,920 Congratulations. And everybody, you can head on 1027 00:56:52,920 --> 00:56:57,320 over to our Instagram to see the full BTP and let me know do you 1028 00:56:57,320 --> 00:56:59,320 agree or not and who should be in it. 1029 00:56:59,640 --> 00:57:02,960 And you can find us again at TBB Tennis. 1030 00:57:03,160 --> 00:57:07,000 That's at TBB Tennis. It's like the ball boys, but TBB 1031 00:57:07,320 --> 00:57:12,080 tennis TENNIS. Check it out over there and let 1032 00:57:12,080 --> 00:57:16,360 me know what you think. And that is our show. 1033 00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:19,160 Matthew, as always, you've been amazing. 1034 00:57:20,040 --> 00:57:22,000 Thank you so much for joining me to Jeff Funn. 1035 00:57:24,720 --> 00:57:29,360 We we laughed, we cried, we, we insulted some people. 1036 00:57:29,840 --> 00:57:33,200 Yeah, exactly. Yeah, well, now I'm going to 1037 00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:36,160 lock you back in your cage until we are in the hard court season 1038 00:57:36,160 --> 00:57:38,360 and I'll let you back out for more shows coming up in the 1039 00:57:38,360 --> 00:57:40,920 future. But we'll be back in just a few 1040 00:57:40,920 --> 00:57:43,440 weeks with a special Daddy's Day episode. 1041 00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:47,120 And we'll also be answering the question, is the grass actually 1042 00:57:47,120 --> 00:57:49,840 greener? So come on back and we will see 1043 00:57:49,840 --> 00:57:51,520 you then. Thanks everybody.