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It's top spin. That's LGBT.
Have a listen. Make some noise with the ball
boys. Hey everybody, and welcome to
the latest episode of The Ball Boys.
We are the tennis podcast that puts the boy in boycott.
I'm your host, Paul Monkle, and bringing you the insights,
outbursts, giggles and wiggles of the ATP and WTA tours.
And oh man, I've missed saying that.
Like I mentioned the last show for the rest of 2025, we're
putting out shows every three weeks.
And it's actually been a few more days than that with Japan
and China ending in the middle of the week for the men.
But we didn't want to wait four weeks because I missed you all
so much and because I'm going to a meditation retreat this
weekend. Don't worry though, it's not
silent, so I will be yapping the entire time anyway.
Good thing not much has happened since the last show, right?
The tourists have all headed to Asia where we have extra
helpings of 500 level events. Which are the best bang for your
buck in terms of unique draws and stories?
Honestly, give me a pair of five hundreds over 1000 any day.
And of course, our cups were running over between Davis Laver
and Billie Jean King cups. And also, since the last show,
we canceled Disney, we canceled Taylor Townsend, now we're
canceling Lorenzo Moussetti. And in case you missed the
assault on free speech, the administration has had a talk
show host canceled for a monologue.
Also, the New York Times was sued.
I mean, are the ball boys next or wait, did it already happen?
Oh my God, is this why the ball boys were shut out of the Emmys
this year? I think it's all connected well
before our license gets yanked. I'm here to Yelena Yankovic,
your chain, with all the action going on around the tours.
In other news, it's Fat Bear Week, that time of year where
the community celebrates body positivity, but only for actual
bears in Alaska, where you can vote for the bear you think is
the most prepared for the upcoming winter.
And I couldn't help but wonder, what happened to bears on tour.
Where are my Pete Sampras's? Where are my Andre Agassi's?
The only person talking about chest hair these days is Holger
Runa. No really he is.
And also it was one hit wonder day.
Yes, they only get one day. Which made me wonder who are our
favorite what hand wonders in the tennis world?
We'll be talking about that plus the latest Bay TP and a whole
new case for cross court. So to do this all, I'm so
excited for today's Ball Boy. Remember when I asked for people
to contact me if they were interested in being on the show?
Well, you all answered. I mean, talk about some new
balls, please. So today we have the first one
to come out of the ball boy feeder program.
He is a tennis fanatic. He is a grad student right here
in Los Angeles at UCLA. Yeah, I live here.
ICLA. Every day.
To quote the amazing Naked Gun movie, he gives our own Matthew
Coleman a run for his money in the luscious locks category.
Let me tell you, folks, I'm so excited to have him.
It's Benjamin, Kirsten. Hi, Benny.
How are you doing? Hey Paul, thanks for having me
on. Very excited.
I am so excited to have you here.
Thank you. You're part of this, the new
ball boy development program that we're putting together
because the thesis of this show is there is a ball boy in all of
us. Whether that sounds right or
wrong, I don't care anymore, but we're all ball boys.
I want you all on the show. So again, reach out if you're
interested. I was so happy to hear from you,
Ben. Outside of Singapore, honestly,
I'm never sure who's listening. So it tickles me right in the
pink whenever I hear from people.
I'm just curious though, like, why did you reach out?
Why did you want to be on the show?
My descent into tennis fanaticism has been quite steep
and precipitous, and I started listening to your podcast.
A friend told me about it and said you have to, you have to
listen. It's all about being gay and
loving tennis, and you seem to check both of those boxes.
So it feels like it was only a matter of time.
And here I am. I love the way you phrase that.
It's the the descent into tennis obsession because it really it
is. And luckily the tours are are
feeding our addictions. It's non-stop.
We've got a ton of action to get through and we are going to get
to it. But first we're going to play a
little game called getting ballsy.
So anytime there's a new ball boy on, I want us all to get to
know them a little bit more. We're going to go deep.
We're going to probe you on just how gay for tennis you are.
So first question, Benjamin, are you gay?
TP or WT gay? You know, my first answer would
be WT gay. I find with the women's tour, I
maybe get more invested in some of the stories, some of the
individual players. But you know, when it's when it
works, it works. And sometimes the gay TP boys,
they know how to deliver. I'm still not over the French
Open final, so. Oh yeah, I mean that look, I've
said it on every show since that goddamn final, but if they put
that in the movies, I would go put that at the sphere in Las
Vegas. I will watch that.
I am sold. So OK so WTWT gay you like the
storylines more there than than with the men?
I do. I think there's, there's just
something about the style of play that I maybe connect with a
little more. Maybe this is some some past
trauma coming out, but you know, something about some of these
guys when they're just like the game is just these like massive
serves and and and walking side to side on the court.
Yeah, I find it a little less little less fun to watch.
Yeah, yeah. No, it's true.
It is interesting. I I think at the US Open, Amanda
Anasimova's I forgot if it was the forehand or the.
Backhand. Faster than all the men.
It was the fastest, best thing out there.
I think also of late, the other thing about the tours is with
the ATP, you have Alcaraz and Sinner really separating
themselves. And so sometimes it can make
other things going on on the tour feel like, you know, an
asterisk to whatever they're doing.
Whereas you know, WTA and this has positives and negatives, but
you know, you never know what's going to happen.
Literally anyone could win any tournament.
It's crazy. Crazy What?
Yeah. I mean, like for storylines.
I love it. OK, So what makes you a ball
boy? Give us a little history of you
and tennis it. Was always sort of lurking,
right? It was it was latent, I guess,
you know, and some of it make a lecture.
Well, some of it may also, you know, have to do with my
relationship with my mother, which I feel, you know, I hear
is sort of an intense thing for for gay boys.
But was she? Was she adamantly for or against
tennis? She just always had tennis on.
It was always like she was always watching it on the
weekends. I never really then understood
how there could be so much tennis to watch.
You know, both my parents played.
She would sign us up for lessons here and there.
You know, I was always sort of watch out of the side of my eye.
But then it really was around 2022 and the that U.S.
Open that year that I got hooked.
And since then, you know, as I said, it's been a steady ascent
or descent rather into watching as much tennis as I can, reading
about tennis. But I'm also like, it's funny, I
I feel very self-conscious about being recent in my tennis
obsession. And also I feel like I'm like
claiming a little bit of the, you know, the the purest
standpoint where it's like, I don't need the dating show at
the US Open. I don't need the like the frou
FRA. I want, I want the tennis.
Yeah, yeah. Well, I mean, look, this, this
year's U.S. Open was the the most vulgar
Grand Slam in the history of Grand Slams.
You know, including the prize money, nobody needs to get
$5,000,000 for winning seven matches.
I mean, that's just crazy, but OK.
Yeah, OK. As long as you're a Pierce, as
long as you're not like. And I also love pickleball,
which if you do, do not tell me, OK?
I thought we were doing as well you.
Have a racket. OK.
All right. Next.
OK, next question. Why do we think gay people love
tennis so much? Because it is one of those
things where there's just a big connection to the sport.
So speak for all of us. Why do we love it?
Yeah, I think there are a couple of things floating around my
head. Some of this I I've worked out
with some friends for one, I feel like, you know, even though
now we have NBA players walking into their games and just the
coolest outfits, I feel like with tennis, some of these
cultural aspects, the fashion kind of became like more
integrated into the sport. I'm thinking about the encore
outfits of, of the 90s and this kind of like, you know, melding
of tennis, pop culture, music stardom.
So it's got kind of like that mass cultural element.
And but yet something about tennis, it's also a little camp.
It has this aristocratic kind of aspiration.
And one of the other sort of threads here, I think, is that
it is kind of like watching a reality TV show because all of
the stories, like everything, is so individualized.
You do get these, you know, helpings of drama, like pretty
regular intervals over the course of the season.
And gay people love drama. Wow, OK, you're setting us back
20 years. Thanks.
We just love that drama. I mean, you're not wrong.
I agree with that. I agree with all of that.
Although it is interesting though 'cause just a minute ago
you were like, I don't need a dating show, just give me the
tennis. I reserve the right to
contradict myself at at every turn.
Fair. This is fair.
Is there something about the the sport, the the strokes, the
scoring or something that really appeals to you in this sort of
like queer mindset? I think the type of movement, it
can be so elegant. Maybe not when you know, Oh
yeah, Towson is like running side to side, but when like Al
Shaz, No, she's she's great. I obviously, you know, she's not
a mover. She's not.
A mover. She's amazing.
She's a big babe. Tennis.
Yeah, yes, you watch Alcaraz and it can be.
The game can be so crafty and so varied and every movement of his
could is a photograph. It's it's really beautiful.
To watch. Yeah, yeah, he I swear he either
hires A photographer or he knows when they're about to shoot
'cause it is like I posted this a couple weeks ago.
There were shots of him at the US Open and shots of Novak and
it was like that's an L skit where it's like I'm Nora, it's
like the four sisters and it's like 3 beautiful ones.
And then it was Novak looking like the busted up 4th 1 because
every photo of Carlos it, it's like ballet on clay.
It's like the he's just like always.
He knows his angles. He knows where the camera is.
Yeah, yeah, it's true. It is a it is AI think it is
beautiful as a sport. It is just gorgeous to look at.
Players are so pretty. I mean, that's kind of.
Proportionally, I feel like they're they're it's a gorgeous.
Sport yeah, we have the Bay TP for a reason, but if you're in
like the top 200 players in the world, it's hot, you're hot,
you're hot when it gets this like it's gorgeous just to be a
a player. Yeah, grade OK Speed round
Yannick or Carlos. Carlos.
Boom, OK, favorite cup. I think the United Cup, I like
the, I like the mixed format. Interesting.
OK, we're going to get to that later.
Favorite tournament? This is tricky.
I feel very, you know it, it comes and goes.
It's kind of like what's giving at a moment.
I really liked DC this year and I think again, like a mixed
format 500, all the anticipation going into the US hardcourt
swing, fun winners. It really, it really did it for
me this year. It was, it was a really fun
watch and and I loved the people who I think it was Layla
Fernandez wanted it for the women and.
Fernandez and then and then on the bend, yeah.
And that shot him like comforting to.
Divide of a tricina, yeah. Tricina Yeah, at the end.
Yeah, yeah, no, that was a great tournament.
Then what's your favorite Slam? That would be Roland Garris.
Roland Garris. Oh, he's got the merch on.
OK. Have you been?
I do. No, I've not been.
I've slams. I've been to the US Open, other
tournaments. I've been to Indian Wells, the
Cincinnati Open. I loved it.
I loved it, but I also feel I loved it because I got to go.
Yeah, Tennis live is like nothing else.
I mean, I was watching the qualities at the US Open and it
was fucking amazing. Like, yeah.
Absolutely. I mean, you get to really see
the way players move, you get to see their their temperament
between points. It really is like watching
something else entirely. Yeah, yeah.
OK. Last question, in honor of
National One Hit Wonder Day, who is your favorite one hit wonder?
Meaning someone who won one slam and no more?
Yeah, this could be some recency bias here, but I'm going to go
with Maddie Keys at run in the Australian Open.
It was so exhilarating and I, I mean, I get chills thinking back
to watching her hit that winner against Sabalenka to win.
It it healed something and all of us, it healed the tournament
because the tournament wasn't actually that great leading up
to it. It was kind of like 1-1.
Yeah, I I agree. I love that.
But now I do think that you are disrespecting Miss Keys saying
she's only she's oh, she's the one who wonder.
She's not going to win another one.
You don't think? You know, I, I, I don't mean
disrespect because what an incredible achievement as part
of an an incredible career. Do I think she's going to win
another slam? I'm not sure, yeah.
No, I mean it could happen. It could.
Because she is.
I mean, because then you see her freaking first round match the
US Open. Yeah, was, it was.
It. 7 unforced air. It was something like it was, it
was almost mathematically impossible for an opponent to
lose given how many points she gave her.
It was just horrible. And, you know, granted she
everyone has an off date. Look, you should see me play
tennis. Actually, no one should ever
watch me play tennis. But you know, it's just she's
she's streaky. So yeah, no, that's a good one.
Mine is Ava Maioli from back in the day when I was not yet born
in 1997, and she won the French Open and she beat Martina Hingis
in the final. That ended up being the only
match that Martina Hingis lost in a Grand Slam.
So without that, she would have won the calendar Grand Slam that
year. Back then, me and Marty, me and
Miss Hingis were not buddies. She was kind of the villain of
the tour. She was very brash.
She was just now all these things that I actually really
admire her for being like 17 and being like, no, I'm going to
take this. And then the end of her career
was so cool where she's still winning grand SEM double S.
And anyone who gets suspended for cocaine use I just find
hilarious because like it's like, bitch, that is not a
performance attention drug. Like no one is doing cocaine to
play better tennis. Or if they are, then I don't
know what cocaine is because that makes no sense to me.
So yeah, but shout out to Ava Maioli.
I don't know where she's at, but kudos to her and listeners.
Hey, if you've got a favorite one hit, wonder who is it and
why is it Juan Martine del Potro?
Just saying. OK, awesome.
Well, great to get to know you. Now we're going to switch over
to our lobs beans. And again, for anyone who is
new, the lobs be and it's just a thing that made us gayer for
tennis since the last show. And because it's been 3 weeks,
and because the drama and insanity and storylines and
ridiculousness of the last 3 1/2 weeks, we've got a lot of
lesbians. And we're actually going to post
a lot of these to our Instagram so you can go over and see which
ones are which. But we're going to just have
some highlights. And Speaking of highlights, the
first lesbian has got to be Carlos Alcaraz.
His hair journey. I know I talk a lot about hair
on this show, Ben, you are toeing the line in terms of
appropriate length of hair. I'm going to, I'm just going to
put that out there. We'll talk about it.
We'll put it in your rider for future shows.
I don't know. Do you ever do like a a top
knot? Only to sleep I do put it back
to play. But OK, OK.
Because if you were, if you were rocking a top knot, this would
be a very short show. No, but, but Carlos, I'm just
going to say he's a stunt queen. There was that photo shoot that
came out shortly after the US Open where he was just in short
shorts, nothing else, platinum blonde hair heading.
He looked like the freak monster from Rocky Horror Picture Show,
the guy in the little golden pants.
I mean, I was like, bitch, you know what you're doing.
But I applaud the stuntiness of it.
But why? This is my last one.
Also, is that at the end of the US Open, he was giving this in,
in his presser, maybe even right after winning.
And they were like, oh, So what are you going to do with your
hair next? Honestly, there's not much you
can do with really, really short.
I mean, what the hell do you think he's going to do?
Like have a wig, get cornrows, Like, come on, you know what
he's going to do? And he's like, I've got the big
surprise for you. I, you know, I'm not going to
try and do an accent. And it just gave me JoJo Siwa
vibes from earlier this year when she's like, I've got music
coming out. I'm I'm inventing new music.
It's called gay pop. And it's like, bitch, have you
heard pop? Like that's all gay.
And he's like, I'm have a big surprise for you.
And he comes out and it's blonde like, girl, like, OK, yeah,
cool. Like you you went bleach blonde
like all of us did in COVID, but OK.
As long as he doesn't also go trad wife at some point.
JoJo she was Journey. That's her journey.
Yeah. From from gay pop to trad wife.
For real. Well, but yeah, I guess it
depends on who the husband is. I don't know, We'll see.
But it was just like the campiness of all of it.
And also it's landed in a great place because he's got the dark
roots with the blonde tips. It's Lance Bass *NSYNC.
Boom. Bye bye bye.
I love it. You know, watching him dart
around the Labor Cup court, like it was so bright and silver on
the television that I he he really won me over.
Yeah. I thought it looked really cool.
And also like, I don't know, there was something.
Yeah, just so bad ass about it. He's like, I just won the US
Open. I'm pretty much untouchable this
year. I can do whatever I want.
What was the Lobs being for you? What's something that made you a
little gayer? Yeah, it's scrolling Instagram.
I did come across Ava leases Instagram profile.
She's so delightfully charming. Turns out she did break a
Bottega Vanetta bag while making a TikTok.
But the thing that really got me was she posted a set of
photographs that I guess she's taken of various tennis courts
that she's played on over the year and they were so
beautifully composed. It was it was the white lines
against green against purple courts, against a clay court.
And it just really made me want, I mean, how do you not want to
be on a tennis court looking at those photos?
A. 100% yeah, I know. You told me about her and you
really turned me on. I've been following her more on
social now and and she's a really fun follow.
Like she's always kind of, she's very relatable.
She's having a great tournament. I mean she took out Robot.
Yeah. She's in the quarters at
Beijing. So so Eva Lease Atta girl.
No, that's a great one. And yeah, there are there are so
many others. I mean, everything from Marta
Kostiak asking them to stop playing Adele during the
changeover just so they can have a little more energy.
I mean, work. I I love Marta to like the the
the Laver Cup European teams cuddle couch.
It was so funny. Those black couches are iconic.
Over on the Team World, it's just for Jensen Brooks be
yawning. And then on Team Europe, Flavio
Cabelli is between Yakov men, 6 legs, just cuddling up.
And it's just like, they're adorable.
I love them. So we'll post all those and
more. And also the only person that I
could find who was speaking out against the ridiculous
administration's censorship campaign against anyone who
makes fun of them was Martina Navratilova, who I know is
polarizing. I get it, but hey, she's the
only one who was saying this is straight out of the dictator
playbook. I mean, the one thing about
Martina, she does have no fucks to give and she's going to say
it and everyone else is afraid to say it.
So at least she's saying it. So thanks, Marty.
So let's jump into some of the recent action with Twit.
And that is this week in tennis, covering the news, the dudes,
the feuds of the tour. We are going to cover though
some of the headlines and the stories that were really
meaningful to us. And this is maybe, this is maybe
a little dicey for two white presenting guys to to start out
the conversation, but we're going to have a discussion about
race. You know, let's do it.
Let's let's, let's just cancel ourselves right now.
You start. Yeah, so I've got thoughts, but
yeah. But I mean, before we get into
the the results of the tournaments, there have been
some some pretty public cultural controversies going on in China.
Taylor Townsend went ham on the Chinese cuisine with her
Instagram Stories and the Chinese fans responded with
signs and boos and they did not love her hot takes on their food
and their cuisine. Then Lorenzo Musti said hey,
hold my cannoli and he called out fans for coughing during his
matches at the China Open in Beijing.
They both apologized on social media.
Lorenzo apologized verbally after his match that he won
against Mannarino, but they both ended up somehow magically
getting injuries and pulling out of the tournament.
Lorenzo actually retired during his next match against Lerner TN
I, I did not love seeing this. He got booed off the court both
times as he was leaving and there was this one moment where
he stopped. He was going to the exit tunnel
and he kind of backed out and just looked up because everyone
was booing and saying get out of here, go home.
It was rough. It was rough to see.
It was rough to. Watch now what you want to see.
Yeah. And I just, I feel I, I, I have
a lot of empathy for both of them, especially since they are
two sort of, you know, I'm going to say rising stars.
I mean, they, they, they definitely have high profiles
for the tour. So it's not good for them.
It's not good for tennis, It's not good for anyone.
But then Claire Lou, another player on the WTA, she wrote a
pretty powerful piece on her sub stack just about kind of the
pervasive microaggressions and racism on tour against the Asian
community. She's always mistaken for Anne
Lee or Carol Zhao or others. That sucks.
And, and, and I, I have a lot of empathy for that.
I certainly don't have a solution to this, But I'm
wondering where do we think Taylor and and Lorenzo sit now?
Are they forgiven? Do they need to do more?
What do we need to do to, to make this right?
If anything? I don't have an answer.
So Ben, I'm looking to you to solve global issues of race and,
and cultural insensitivities. You have 10 seconds go.
Great. Yes, Well, if I'm the
adjudicator, no, I first of all, I mean, I don't know that this
is my forgiveness to be to be giving, right.
I think that this is some of the the you know, the danger that
comes with being a part of being a star in an individualized
sport with where everyone is also like their own brand
manager. And that's like such a pathway
to stardom. And also it gets so many people
in in trouble. And this goes way beyond Taylor
Townsend and and Lorenzo Mousetti.
They're in they're in great company as far as, you know,
people who make biased unfortunate and I'll considered
comments online. I wonder, like, hey, is there is
there a role that the tour should be playing in terms of
maybe both like brand management lessons, but also cultural
sensitivity training as as players, like travel the world?
I, I don't know, but I think, you know, you know, one thing I
was like incredibly disappointed by was when this all went down
with Taylor Townsend. And the comments are just
overflowing with people saying, well, Yelena Ostapenko was
right, yeah, like, she does have no education.
And it's like, no, no, no, no, no, no.
Like, they're not like, exactly, like, right, right.
Her comments were were unfortunate.
And it doesn't make Ilena Ostapenko's OK either.
Exactly. Look, I don't know about you,
but this is my first time being alive.
I say the stupidest shit all the time.
I don't understand. They're in good company.
Anytime. Yeah, exactly.
So I, I mean, look, people do make mistakes and it's not an
excuse, but we do have to look at intention a little bit.
I don't think they intended. I don't think they're thinking I
want to insult the entire Chinese community.
They did. So it doesn't, it doesn't
matter, but it's like they weren't.
I think that there is. I think that, but there's a
little bit of grace for intention because I can't help
but look at the parallels of what just what happened to
Kimmel and Colbert. And it's like you say something
you like, like this cancel culture.
I think we need to to hold, to have a little grace for people,
have a little understanding and let them apologize and then let
them let them learn from it. Because also I love them both as
personalities On the tour. We're going to end up with Maria
Zachary and Sophia Kenan playing in the finals.
And if we cancel everyone, I mean, hell, Daniel Medvedev
polarizing as fuck. A lot of people really hate what
he did at the US Open. And I agree, it was bullshit,
but I fucking love him. I love what he just did in
Beijing. I love everything about him.
And it's like, I want those characters and those characters
are not safe all the time, so. You know, and you know what?
You know what? I there's, there's been some,
some reporting on the various nicknames that Chinese fans are
giving players, you know, and a lot of them seem to come out of
love. They call Coco Goth the fruit
salad queen. That's my screen.
Name. What they call Katrina Senyakova
instant noodles ova cause of her hair it looks like nice.
OK. And so.
Is that is that nice? You know.
Hey Senyakova, with your frizzy noodle hair, I mean.
It seems, you know, to me that seems a little light hearted
and. Maybe that's I think that's open
to some interpretation, Sir. I don't know.
I mean, you've got curly, luscious hair.
If you were called Ramen Head, how would you feel?
I would feel loved and appreciated for for who I am.
I mean, I do, I do fuck with a ramen.
So I, I, I hear you. No, I.
Think instead of booing, yeah, maybe, I don't know, find a find
a poke fun. Yeah, exactly.
Talk about like Lorenzo Massetti's like beautiful puppy
dog eyes. We can make fun of those.
That's that's payback. And I, I still do.
It's funny. So when it happened with Taylor
Townsend, I was like, well, she's not our next Anthony
Bourdain. But I still do kind of think it
would be amazing to give her a show on the Food Network where
she just travels around the world and has she tries food
that is not something she's had before, and let's just let her
react. Because I would watch it.
It's, it's, hey, I think it'd be, I think it'd be interesting
television and a learning experience for us all.
So, OK, so we've solved racism. Just kidding, but I think it was
just worth acknowledging. I, I don't want us to move on in
terms of collective amnesia, but I want us to allow for people to
evolve and change. So that's that's all I'm going
to say. I think Grace, like you said.
Grace. Exactly.
I say grace. Some other sort of just big
headlines. Maybe this is also impacting
their filter. Everyone is fried at this point
in the season, especially in Beijing.
Retirements up the wazoo. I was watching one night.
Men sick retires against Diminour.
Boss Song retires against Navarro.
Earlier Krajikova and Bedosa had retired.
Can win on our big return back after a three month layoff.
Retires her first match. I mean, everyone is just cooked.
I mean, talk about food, everyone's cooked.
Hadaj, Maya, Svitalina, Draper, they've all entered their
seasons. My new proposal is that an
economist needs to join the board of the WTA and ATP and
give a lesson on supply and demand.
No other sport does this where it's year freaking round.
We've got to let the players rest.
We've got to let the fans also savor the season.
I mean, the the the Chinese Open just ended this morning with the
Onyx Center winning over Lerner Tien.
Sorry, spoiler if anyone didn't see that they're given a it's
very nice that they were given a charter plane to Shanghai
because Shanghai's already started.
Like give us. Yeah, Tien's late.
Yeah, it's that scene from Deborah's Prada.
Like, oh, what does that mean? It means you're already late.
Yeah, Emily. And then let us build some
anticipation. I mean, look, NFL fans are
rabid. They spend that offseason
talking about what happened, talking about what's going to
happen, talking about the new teams, the new coaches, the new
this. We don't have time for any of
that. And also let podcasters save
their voices a little bit. I mean, let me go to the Eagle
again on a Friday night. Like, come on, give us, give us
some space. And finally Ego is speaking out
about it. She was like, I can't even think
about the full year schedule. I have to look at what's in
front of me because if I look at where I'm going to be for the
full year, it's too much. And I do have to say a little
bit of bullshit to Ken Wen Jiang, who is just coming back
and says, well, that's what makes the tour, you know, like,
the strongest are the ones who survive.
Girl, you just had a three month layoff.
Yeah. And you just retired your first
match back and this is what you're saying?
Well, here's a question. I know you've you've spoken
about feeling like maybe players should be able to play for a
maximum number of points. There are some other proposals
on the table. You know, I don't know how
seriously they're being taken by others, but like, I know certain
tour directors have put forth the idea of a premium tour that
includes the Slams and the Masters in the thousands.
You know, it's for a sort of truncated calendar because right
now the WTA mandates, right, that the women are playing 55
hundreds in the year, something like that, you know, So what?
So does something like that sound good to you?
I think it just needs to at the very least be a one in, one out
thing where it's like, OK, if there's something new, if
there's a new tournament, a new cup, the God damn 6 Kings and
whatever, it's like, OK, well I can't add.
I've got to then take something out.
I think that there just needs to be like a Susan powder stop the
insanity moment. And I do like the idea of like
you can play for a maximum of 15,000 points because then that
levels the playing field because then there's not a vulture going
around picking up all the points of the tournaments you didn't go
to. You know, like we've got the
Booblix who I love, he's vulturing up in the top 20
because he just keeps going to two 50s.
But if there was a Max a cap, I think that could work.
So. Yeah, yeah.
All right, so we're solving that.
And the last thing I got to say before we get to some of the
actual results is just like I cannot turn my TV on to watch
another match that is in front of 12 people, that is in front
of 50 people, that is in front of you and 100 people.
I mean, these players, they're flying all the world.
And I, I'm thinking specifically about Korea and really about
Beijing and China. The stands are fucking empty,
particularly more for the women, which is interesting because in
China the tournament is A1000 level.
For the men in China it's a 500 level.
So less points, less stellar of a draw.
I watched the Coco golf and Belinda bench match.
They they got into their their fight about Coco's team clapping
so much, partially because it was so quiet in that, in that
stadium because there was no one there.
I mean, these stands are empty. So of course you hear every
cough, you hear every clap, you hear everything.
I still think, and I think that this goes for all tournaments
bus the youth tennis programs in absolutely.
If I was 15, I mean, I, I did not have money growing up.
If someone was going to bus me to a semi final they will
remember that for the rest of their life because the semi
final between Sinner and Alex Demenour not even half full.
Bust the kids in, let them go see that.
But instead it's just empty. I don't know what's your take on
that on my rant I'm like ranting.
Totally. I mean, that feels like another,
you know, sort of point in the column of maybe too many
tournaments. I think actually like your
suggestion makes a lot of sense in terms of developing, you
know, really playing into like an enthusiasm for for the sport
and and cultivating that. I do also, you know, I think
regardless, at like the beginning of a match, they
should survey the stadium and anyone who's in the upper tier,
they should just bring them down.
They should bring back at least the first few rows, you know,
and if you get there late, you lost your seat.
I don't know. Exactly, exactly.
Yeah. If someone comes like I'll move
like at the changeover, like that's, you know, I'm I'm not
as. At the changeover though.
No, it's cruel. Oh well, of course I'm not a
monster, but. We saw the guests open.
Yeah. Then you look at like the Labour
Cup, the Labour Cup packed the rafters and the Japan Open also
had a really good crowd. So it's not like everyone
everywhere, but I mean, that's a great facility in Beijing.
That's where they had the Olympics.
I know the stadiums are beautiful, the Lotus and the
diamond courts. Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, but it's just. So maybe we just need, we need
Federer to put his name on everything.
Oh, he's like, he's becoming like the Billie Jean King of the
of the metastore. Little thing.
Let's get to some results. So on the women's side we had
the Korean Open and Ego wins title #25 she beats and Drova in
the final. Ego has just had an amazing
second-half of the year ever since winning Wimbledon.
She might be a contender to be an all time great.
I mean she's got 6 slams now. Are you an Ego fan?
Are you a Spion chick? You know, I, I am, I, no, I, I,
it's like I, I, I respect the game.
I mean, she's so brilliant on the court and she's so fast, you
know, both in the way she like, whips her racket around, but
then the way she like, starts up to the ball and it is
interesting to see her game improve.
Most of the time she she does come across like very, very
stoic. You know, she's not maybe as
much of A like character as as Arena.
He's not a subalinka. Yeah, yeah.
Right. So, you know, maybe maybe you
know, the going back to the sort of the brand management aspect
of it, you know, I think that could be maybe why she doesn't
quite get the, you know, have the same recognition although
the the Polish fans go yes, yeah, yeah, they are there.
No matter where a tournament is in the world, there are people
with half painted faces. Yeah, Oh yeah.
There's no denying the numbers that she's put together.
No, absolutely not. And I think she's I think she's
going to be around for at least. I mean, she hasn't had any
injuries. Like some players.
Like I look at like a Carlos who's like always kind of a
little injured here and there. It's like, I hope Carlos is
around for 15 years. I don't know if he will be.
I think Ego, she's got some staying power.
I think so too. And you know, I know she's,
she's won the US Open, she's won Wimbledon, which is pretty
fabulous. But I also, I, I do love when a
player like puts their stamp on a tournament and a tournament
like Roland Garros. I just think that's, yeah,
that's very cool. That's hers.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. Some other women's action for
the ladies. So like I said, it's the
thousand level tournament for China, whether at the
quarterfinals, we don't know who's going to win.
We've got four Americans in the quarters.
I mean the American girls, they're killing it.
We've got Coco, we've got Emma, we've got Jess, we've got
Amanda. I think Anna Samova is going to
take it. Amanda found a new gear this
year and and you know, if anyone had any concern that she maybe
cracks when there's a giant crowd, well, I don't think we
have to worry about that for this tournament.
So, you know, I don't even know if the final's going to have a
big crowd, but she she could she could really run the table.
Coco though her serve, she fixed it.
Yeah, yeah, She just says she seems to love this time of year,
right? This is what she did last year.
She came back with a new grip. Yeah, I mean, whatever she did
since the US Open with that new surf coach of Gavin, something,
it's got pop, it's got placement.
I saw her against Fernandez. She only had like 9 double
faults, which honestly, that's great.
That is that was wonderful. And then, yeah, she came back.
She was down a set in a break to bench.
Did you see that match? Did you see that altercation
that they had? I did.
I saw bench saying I'm too old for these mind games.
Yeah, yeah, it was not. I didn't love it.
And and this is again, where it it was a changeover and they
were both seated and Belinda is yelling up to the chair empire.
But what's going on? And Coco heard what was being
said, so she started speaking too.
And I just feel like, look, if the culture of tennis is
changing and again, they're not, I'm not saying they're like
boxers, but if it was like boxing where you go to different
corners and you don't, you're not just like sat so close to
your opponent. Maybe we need to start being
more like that. Maybe the chair Empire needs to
not be on this golden throne up in the sky.
Maybe they need to be more about managing the personalities.
Cause the chair Empire's job is no longer to call in or out.
It's no longer to do anything really.
So like manage that scene a little bit better because it
just was like, why are you sitting up there?
Like would come down and talk to them.
Coco handled herself great. I mean, talk about media
training. I don't know if she's had it or
she smashed. She is freaking great.
She is, yeah. She's spectacular at it.
They do not call her Coco Gaff, it is Coco Goth.
Over to the men, the Menzies. So we are in the 500 level
again, which I love, love, love, but unfortunately I don't think
we're ever going to have an Alcarez semifinal at a 500
again. We got that last year in the
China Open. I mean, holy crap.
And that was the match of the year last year.
Carlos won that. Three setters, 3 hours and 20
minutes of the greatest freaking tennis of the.
It was so good. And that was like a that was a
little bit of a preview of what was going to happen in 2025.
I remember being up at like 1:00 in the morning, 2:00 in the
morning and like is this for real?
I. Was like, wait, this because
that was the first time that I really felt like, OK, these guys
are playing a different sport, everyone else is just screwed.
But so I think now though, with the five hundreds and with their
clear sort of emergence of them, they're going to kind of avoid
each other. So it's kind of like a divorce.
Like mom got one, dad got the other.
So this year Sinner got China, Alcaraz got Japan.
I do kind of wonder if it's going to be kind of like the
Canadian Open that flip flops back and forth between like the
the WTA gets Montreal one year and then they get Toronto the
next. Interesting.
Like, I just wonder, like how they're going to navigate that
or if this is how it's going to be going forward.
But yeah, the China Open in Beijing just ended center beat
learner Tien. Pretty straightforward 2 sets.
Great run for Tien. Yeah, been a good year.
From the Australian Open to now, it's been really solid.
I love that his name is Lerner because one of his parents is a
teacher. Yeah, what are I?
Forget it. Was is this?
I think it his sister's name is Justice.
Yeah, because his the other parents a lawyer.
Nice, nice. Justice and Lerner.
If I was a lawyer, I'd be like ambulance.
Subpoena. Subpoena.
Yeah, exactly. Tort.
So Sinner, he wins. He didn't look amazing this week
against Demon Hour in the in the semi, he was like walking around
pretty gingerly, which I guess is what a ginger does.
They walked gingerly. I don't know, but this was like
extra. But then like Jesus Christ,
Yannick Sinner and his tummy ache, it's continued.
So he in the presser after his semi final, people were asking
like, are you OK? And he's like, I don't even have
the quote in front of me, but he's like, yeah, I had diarrhea.
Like it's just like, I guess it's good that he's transparent
about what's going on, but he always has a tummy ache.
Maybe he needs to get checked for like celiac or like lactose
intolerance. I.
Could be lactose intolerant if he's from northern Italy.
I know well. Yeah, I guess I don't know.
Don't tell people what to do with their bodies.
His body can be intolerant of whatever he wants.
I don't know. It's interesting though, because
if we think about this from like from a year ago from that
Beijing Open, granted, of course Yannick had that three month
suspension for the positive test, but there's just not a lot
of buzz around Yannick really since he won Wimbledon.
Like, I haven't seen the Kurata boys.
They were in the stands, the wigs, I mean, people were
wearing red wigs every tournament, every place that he
went. Am I missing something?
Like is the, is the, is the shine kind of off center?
Is it 'cause he has diarrhea? I don't know, Everyone's just
steering clear a little bit. Maybe they used to start
dressing in pink for Pepto Bismol, but no, yeah, I, I, I, I
saw him play at the Cincinnati Open and there were fans sort of
speckled around wearing red and orange.
But I don't know, maybe it maybe it's the the violation ban.
Maybe he's also, he's not, he's not the showman the Carlitos is.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, he's kind of he's kind
of stealing. He's kind of intense.
And I know he says he's he's human too.
He has emotions. I'm not taking that away from
him. But what else would a robot say?
I have, I have emotions. I am real.
I never understood why he was such a cultural phenomenon
because I've never seen a tennis player followed by people
dressed up like carrots or wearing wigs like that.
I mean, that was like Andre Agassi level, like images,
everything. I didn't see that for Federer.
No one dressed up like Novak. This was like a different level
of fandom that just exploded. And here's the thing right now,
and maybe again, it's the tummy ache, but he like didn't play
great. He lost a set to Atman.
He lost a set to diminour. He's not invincible right now,
so maybe when he gets back to that level, that Superman level
will all be busting out the red. Or maybe the Kuroda boys got to
come back, have to come back, and then he'll find his strength
again. Kuroda boys, if you're
listening, where, where, where are you at?
We need you. We need you, Batman.
I do have to say I loved the the mini resurgence of Daniel
Medvedev. He made it to the semis.
He had to retire, though. Again, talk about the chair
empires like not really doing their jobs or knowing what to
do. He got that ridiculous violation
for for lack of effort when he was cramping so much he couldn't
walk. Yeah, it's like, what the.
What the hell? And he handled that with way
more grace than he did at the US Open.
And he's trying. He was even.
He's really like, look, I'm trying not to lose my shit on
you. But it was the most ridiculous
call. I mean.
Yeah, that was absolutely out of line.
Like, Medvedev is not a tanker. I know he's polarizing, but he
took out Zverev. And in my book, anyone who beats
Zverev, you're OK with me. So I'm with you.
I'm with you. Yeah, so, but it's good to see
him again. Then on the other side of not
the pond, but you know, on in Japan, Alcarez was there living
his best life. You know, it is interesting.
So there was, there was obviously that cultural blowback
going on with Taylor and, and Lorenzo in China.
But then I look at Japan and, and we've got social media
showing Carlos dressing up like a samurai and we had Hogaruna
doing like a, a kabuki dance. I, I wasn't sure how I felt
about like, is that OK? Again, I don't know anything.
What is that the? Thing I'm praying for is that
there were Japanese people coaching them to do this, the
whole, you know, off camera. Yeah, yeah.
A few other things, though, that had come out of Japan.
We had the return of Baratini. Our beautiful Matteo Baratini is
back in action after yet another injury, and he had a solid win
over Moon Hour. Then he lost his next match.
Brooksby also had a great run to the semis.
I love Jensen Brooksby, I love his game.
It's very unique style of ground strokes.
He took out Hulgaruna in the quarterfinals, which was a great
win. Hulgaruna also in the last three
weeks or so, not killing it. His mom needs to take his phone
away again. He had another Russian Cougar,
which to Hulgaruna is anyone over 25 call him out for sliding
into his DMS. This was Kalinskaya, not a good
look. And he's like, if I was asking
you about you would know it, which was again, Holger.
Just don't. Then he's talking about playing
Spain in the Davis Cup and he's like, I have the hairs on my
chest to beat them, honey. He has no hair in his chest.
I don't know he's he would lose in the first round of of fat
Bear week. So I know, Holder, just God
bless you again. Corky puts his foot in his
mouth. I mean, he's another one where
it's like, I appreciate what he's doing so.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And the the the ladies seem to
know how to handle it. Oh my God, they're like, this is
like a flyswatter. It's just like Holder get away,
get away. But then we ended up with a
final of Alcarez Fritz. A top five final out of 500 is
pretty rare and it was good. It was, I mean, fritzy, he got
that big win in at the Labor Cup.
It was a good, good match. I mean, Fritz has really stepped
his level up. Yeah, I think here's the
question. Do you think he came into that
final feeling more confident because of the Labor 100?
Percent, 100%, Yeah. Yeah, absolutely.
I think that he is really kind of establishing himself as, I
mean, we're all looking about like, who's the 3rd going to be?
Who's the third? You know, talk about the last
show. It's boring with two people,
open relationship, find the third.
Is it Taylor? I don't think he's quite there
yet, but he's getting closer like he had.
Look, the thing about Alcaraz, he gives you one opportunity per
set. He had that early break point
against Alcaraz in the first set and he just kind of shit the
bed. But if he had taken that, and
that's the problem with Taylor, he just, when he gets his shots,
it was like the quarter final against Novak at the US Open.
He had so many break points. He just can't quite steal the
deal. But he's getting closer.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And everyone does say he works
so hard, yeah, which that's to be commended.
So. Well, 'cause if he doesn't,
Morgues is not going to put up with it.
She looks so good in his. I love it.
It's like you play every other player's box for the most part.
It's like coaches and physios. She's always front center and
like, she was killing it. She looks great in Japan.
Love her. But then it's like, OK, the ink
is not even dry on that giant check and Carlos pulls out of
Shanghai. I think it's pretty wild that
he's going to play Labor Cup, he's going to play Tokyo and
he's going to play the goddamn 6 King Slam, but he's not going to
play Shanghai and he's losing a big bonus because that's his
third Masters 1000 that he's missing of the year.
And so he's going to miss 75% of his bonus, which could be, I was
reading, $2.8 million hers. I don't know.
How do you feel about him pulling out of Shanghai?
Do we not care? No, I feel disappointed.
Of course, there's a part of me that's casting side eye at the
Six Kings Slam and those, you know, huge appearance checks for
going to Saudi Arabia. So it's like, it's a little hard
to stomach some of the comments about the schedule, but it's
also, it's like, I can't really blame the players for that, you
know? And I guess like, that's like
sort of losing that bonus is the tourist way of trying to get
them to stay in all the events. But yeah, I don't know.
I think it's just, yeah, something's not quite working.
I would love to see him Shanghai.
Yeah, I love to. Watch him play all the time.
All the time. Except at the Six Kings slam.
Never, never there. Yeah, there's not a lot of
places I don't want to see him play, but Riyadh is one of them.
I I did think he was going to actually pull out of the Japan
Open when that first round match where he tweaked his ankle.
I mean, he's one of those ones where he has had injuries and
like, we cannot lose generational talents to the
insanity of the tour schedule. You know, if he burns out in two
more years, that's just that's, that's going to be a loss for it
because I want to watch him because he hasn't even reached
his peak yet. I I actually tweaked my ankle
Monday evening at a tennis class.
And, you know, I, I do hear the concern as well.
But, you know, people don't want to lose a generational talent.
So, you know, yeah, we can't meet at Carlos.
Take it easy. Well, and you don't know, you're
a generational talent, Sir. We can't afford to lose this.
Well, as long as you keep your voice because I need you on the
pod. So what does all this mean?
Well, we've got to turn to the Bay TP.
There was a lot we tried to jam in here.
There were at least 12 or 13 people up for for Bay TP slots.
We've got Baratini being back. We have got Felix, OJ, Aliasim
being featured in Vogue. Listen folks, if you get
featured in Vogue, that's Bay TP points.
So Felix, even though he didn't play, he's on there.
And that wedding was so beautiful, Morocco like.
Whoa, like literal fairy tale wedding?
But hey, folks, head on over to our Instagram.
That's at TBB tennis. Again, that's at TBB tennis,
TBBS, the ball boys to see the full list.
And you can check out all of the men of the ATP.
But we've got to finish things up talking about the cups.
There was just a buttload of cups.
Labor Davis, Billie Jean King, the labor cup it it's
interesting. It's been around for a while
now. It started out as the best of
the best and now it's kind of like the the rest versus the
rest. I don't know the the the rosters
were were no longer the top tenors, but the vibes were
pretty good. I got to say like especially the
night that I was watching Krajikova and and eager play in
front of like crickets. I turned it over to the Fonseca
match of the Liver Cup. It was a vibe.
They were really having a great time there, so that's great.
Love that. That's one where they were
hyping him up, like over changeovers and yeah.
OK, So what do you think of those?
So I was, I was getting the X from the changeover talks.
It felt like they were cosplaying like, OK, then you
got to go in here and do the and it's just like, I don't want to
know, like, can't we do something else during these
changeovers? Like, I don't know, like a, a, a
cheer, Like give me AW W give me an ooi don't know, something
like a dance routine. But yeah, it was cringy, right?
I kind of thought it was cringy. I also thought like some of the
interviews with the players while matches are going on, like
it's just, and those, it was just sort of like they're,
they're not saying anything. Like all the players were saying
was sort of like, Oh my gosh, it's incredible to see this
match up close. Like they're just sort of hyping
up the event itself. Yeah.
I think the the, the room for innovation too is like, you
know, there's something to be said for that, like having a tie
break in lieu of 1/3 set. The cups can be in place to try
things out different formats. Exactly, Exactly.
Yeah. Also we had Davis Cup.
It was like down in Delray Beach, I think, where the US
played Chechiya, another Billie Jean King Cup finals, where
Italy, I think they beat. They beat the US right in the
final. Yeah, yeah.
Overshadowed by Taylor's Food, Food review tour.
Great to see that. Look, I love Jasmine Paulini.
I, I, I, I and I just love I Italy is a tennis Mecca right
now. I'm cool with that story.
That totally works. But we got all these cops.
Did you see the one that was on the clay court?
The clay court. Yeah, Cop the cop, Yeah.
I'm not sure that I did. Oh, oh, sorry.
That's because it was the cross court.
That's right, everybody. That's right.
It's time for cross courts. I've got my RBG bib on and my
little tiny gavel and we were going to end our show with cross
court, where the ball boys are the line judge and jury of
tennis crimes. And this is the fifth case tried
in cross court. We've, we've had a busy docket
by the end of this year. I don't know if anyone's going
to be spared the judge's fury, but this is the case of cup
size, and that's spelled SIGHS. Cup size and a season packed
with more action than a twink at luggage, nut at the eagle.
There's just no space left in the calendar.
We've already talked about this, and as one who has valiantly
tried to stop the cruel March of time, I can confirm we also
can't add days to the calendar. And according to our Scientific
Ball Boys poll right after the US Open, I asked, hey, are we
following this? And honestly, we're not really
following these cups. They're the cups have runneth
over. And plus you add the United Cup
at the beginning of the year, we've got the Hoffman Cup in the
summer, both mixed team tournaments there.
There's too many cups and there's collateral damage.
You know, instead of resting, players play that Labour Cup.
That could impact what happens next.
Look, Kaboli bottomed out. Mickelson bottomed out, Mahach,
who didn't even pick up a racket of Labor Cup.
They all bottomed out at the next tournament.
And I got to, you know, ask yourself, folks, would you
rather Carlos Alcaraz is playing Labor Cup or Shanghai?
I don't know. So the question before you find
ladies and germs of the jury, what do we do?
Do we have to get rid of some? Do we need to make them a little
more engaging? Do we need to maybe make some of
them every other year? But we got to do something.
So I think at minimum we need to go down a cup size or two.
I think we need a quest reduction.
So folks, and I'm looking at you, Benjamin, you already
solved race relations in the world.
In the case of cup size, how do you find them and what is the
solution? Yeah, it's a lot.
It's too many. It's too many cups.
It's you know, maybe this is my
like a hangover of my like anti sports days, but you know, I
can't follow the the ones that are in the round Robin format
that are being played at multiple times of the year.
It is. Oh my God.
I just, you know, the, the, the nationalism like rears its head.
But that being said, you know, as I said, like the cups, you
know, I think there is room for, for innovation, there's room for
excitement. But yes, less cups, fewer cups.
Less cups, OK. Yeah, yeah.
I agree. And so there's two things that
we're going to do. First we're going to play marry,
cup kill. It's like marry, fuck, kill, but
marry cup kill. Where we got to decide the fate.
OK, which cup? Which cup stays?
Then we marry and which cup are we killing or which ones get in
the axe? So Benjamin Karsten 1 by 1.
Davis Cup marry, Cup kill. We can't put a pin in one for
now. Nope.
It's no OK. The jury's got to get lunch.
I feel like Davis and Billie Jean King need to be answered
together. OK.
A little bit because they they seem like sort of the wow, women
don't. Get their own their own trial
well. No, that's what I'm saying is
that like, you know, we certainly can't get rid of like,
Billie Jean King Cup over the Davis Cup.
Oh, fair, fair, fair. Yeah, yeah.
Right, right. Yeah, I think we definitely
might. Like Mary is United.
OK, keeping United. I kind of like that spot in the
calendar. I like the mixed format.
I like that it also offers tour ranking points and the rest I
can kind of take relief but. I think we could cut Labor.
I mean Labor is an exo but I think Labor and Hoffman Cup are
both up for cutting especially I was thinking.
About the Hotline Cup hasn't already been cut.
No, it's basically like a shorter, smaller United Cup.
OK. Like, OK, why, why, why, why?
So I think that those are the those are the ones that can can
be killed in the Mary Cup kill. But I do have a second modest
proposal. Everything about me is modest,
especially in this RBG, although I I like it on white.
I usually wear a black T-shirt, but this?
Is very, very textural, yeah. I feel like I'm I'm the bride.
At Felix's wedding, the bride wore white.
Off to Morocco. Yes, but the second solution,
OK, they call the Davis Cup the World Cup of tennis.
Do you know what doesn't happen every year?
That goddamn World Cup of soccer.
It happens every four years. Why is the Davis Cup and the
Billie Jean Cup every year? I think that's too much.
Imagine they staggered it like off Olympic years.
So it's like, OK, the next Olympics are 28.
So if the Billie Jean King Cup and the Davis Cup were just 26
and then 30, like, again, make us hungry for it because people
go batshit crazy for the World Cup of soccer because it's every
four years. And they were like, Oh my God,
my team. Because yeah, that nationalism,
it's polarizing. I don't love it all the time,
but I do love it when the Olympics comes around.
I get excited to see, like, I hope this country does great.
I hope that country does great. I don't need to vote by country
every freaking year, though. What if the Davis Cup and the
Billie Jenkin Cup were every four years?
I like it. Are we listening?
Do I have your attention? Yeah, I really I like that
solution. Great.
I love it. OK, so we are keeping the United
Cup. I'm just going to say we're
killing the Hopman Cup, Labor Cup.
You're on thin ice. We're watching you.
We'll see. We do like you as a sort of, I
think as a. Hotbed.
Of. Probation.
Yeah, you, you have a Lindsay Lohan ankle bracelet.
But I do like you as a place for experimentation.
So maybe, you know, see what happens there.
And then Davis Cup, Billie Jean King Cup, you're going to be
every four years. We get that national vibe
without, you know, being overlooked.
Because frankly, I don't know if anyone really watched the final
of the Billie Jean King Cup. No one is really talking about
it. It happened.
But give it the spotlight it deserves by making it less
often. So, OK, solved it.
I mean this, this case, the case of cup size, it has been solved.
So good, good work everybody. And that's a court is adjourned.
That's our show. Benjamin, thank you so much for
coming on. Did you have fun?
I had. I had a blast.
Did you grow? Not in stature, but.
Show me. But OK, will you come back?
Absolutely, if you'll have me. Oh my God, no.
You are a ball boy. You are officially a ball boy.
My parents are going to be so proud.
Halloween. Halloween's coming up.
Costume. You're a ball boy.
And Speaking of, we do have a new show coming up in just about
3 weeks. Again, it's that time of year
where the the shows are a little less frequent and we've got yet
another new ball boy. And it is just in time for
Halloween. We're going to have a spooky
themed show with segments like she already done, had curses.
And in the meantime, stay in touch with us over on Instagram
at TBB Tennis. Until then, our balls are going
back in the can. Thanks so much everybody and we
will see you real soon.