1 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:03,840 It's time for let's get some ground strokes baseline. 2 00:00:05,640 --> 00:00:09,160 It's top spin. That's LGBT. 3 00:00:09,920 --> 00:00:14,720 Have a listen. Make some noise with the ball 4 00:00:14,840 --> 00:00:23,280 boys. Hey everybody, and welcome to 5 00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:25,080 the latest episode of The Ball Boys. 6 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:28,680 We are the tennis podcast that puts the boy in boycott. 7 00:00:29,240 --> 00:00:31,640 I'm your host, Paul Monkle, and bringing you the insights, 8 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:36,200 outbursts, giggles and wiggles of the ATP and WTA tours. 9 00:00:37,080 --> 00:00:39,200 And oh man, I've missed saying that. 10 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:42,640 Like I mentioned the last show for the rest of 2025, we're 11 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:44,640 putting out shows every three weeks. 12 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:47,720 And it's actually been a few more days than that with Japan 13 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:50,000 and China ending in the middle of the week for the men. 14 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:52,560 But we didn't want to wait four weeks because I missed you all 15 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:55,520 so much and because I'm going to a meditation retreat this 16 00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:57,720 weekend. Don't worry though, it's not 17 00:00:57,720 --> 00:01:02,000 silent, so I will be yapping the entire time anyway. 18 00:01:02,120 --> 00:01:04,920 Good thing not much has happened since the last show, right? 19 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:08,280 The tourists have all headed to Asia where we have extra 20 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:11,520 helpings of 500 level events. Which are the best bang for your 21 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:14,000 buck in terms of unique draws and stories? 22 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:17,640 Honestly, give me a pair of five hundreds over 1000 any day. 23 00:01:18,360 --> 00:01:22,040 And of course, our cups were running over between Davis Laver 24 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:26,480 and Billie Jean King cups. And also, since the last show, 25 00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:29,840 we canceled Disney, we canceled Taylor Townsend, now we're 26 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:33,680 canceling Lorenzo Moussetti. And in case you missed the 27 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:36,720 assault on free speech, the administration has had a talk 28 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:38,680 show host canceled for a monologue. 29 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:41,240 Also, the New York Times was sued. 30 00:01:41,960 --> 00:01:45,760 I mean, are the ball boys next or wait, did it already happen? 31 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:49,000 Oh my God, is this why the ball boys were shut out of the Emmys 32 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:53,120 this year? I think it's all connected well 33 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:56,560 before our license gets yanked. I'm here to Yelena Yankovic, 34 00:01:56,560 --> 00:01:59,680 your chain, with all the action going on around the tours. 35 00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:03,920 In other news, it's Fat Bear Week, that time of year where 36 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:07,200 the community celebrates body positivity, but only for actual 37 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:09,880 bears in Alaska, where you can vote for the bear you think is 38 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:12,240 the most prepared for the upcoming winter. 39 00:02:12,920 --> 00:02:16,240 And I couldn't help but wonder, what happened to bears on tour. 40 00:02:16,640 --> 00:02:20,600 Where are my Pete Sampras's? Where are my Andre Agassi's? 41 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:23,760 The only person talking about chest hair these days is Holger 42 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:26,280 Runa. No really he is. 43 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:29,680 And also it was one hit wonder day. 44 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:33,760 Yes, they only get one day. Which made me wonder who are our 45 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:36,160 favorite what hand wonders in the tennis world? 46 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:39,720 We'll be talking about that plus the latest Bay TP and a whole 47 00:02:39,720 --> 00:02:44,120 new case for cross court. So to do this all, I'm so 48 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:47,440 excited for today's Ball Boy. Remember when I asked for people 49 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:49,840 to contact me if they were interested in being on the show? 50 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:52,960 Well, you all answered. I mean, talk about some new 51 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:56,520 balls, please. So today we have the first one 52 00:02:56,520 --> 00:02:58,960 to come out of the ball boy feeder program. 53 00:02:59,640 --> 00:03:03,480 He is a tennis fanatic. He is a grad student right here 54 00:03:03,480 --> 00:03:07,080 in Los Angeles at UCLA. Yeah, I live here. 55 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:08,360 ICLA. Every day. 56 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:12,480 To quote the amazing Naked Gun movie, he gives our own Matthew 57 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:16,000 Coleman a run for his money in the luscious locks category. 58 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:18,760 Let me tell you, folks, I'm so excited to have him. 59 00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:22,680 It's Benjamin, Kirsten. Hi, Benny. 60 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:25,720 How are you doing? Hey Paul, thanks for having me 61 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:27,040 on. Very excited. 62 00:03:27,480 --> 00:03:29,360 I am so excited to have you here. 63 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:31,920 Thank you. You're part of this, the new 64 00:03:31,920 --> 00:03:34,880 ball boy development program that we're putting together 65 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:38,840 because the thesis of this show is there is a ball boy in all of 66 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:41,040 us. Whether that sounds right or 67 00:03:41,040 --> 00:03:43,360 wrong, I don't care anymore, but we're all ball boys. 68 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:46,640 I want you all on the show. So again, reach out if you're 69 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:49,520 interested. I was so happy to hear from you, 70 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:51,640 Ben. Outside of Singapore, honestly, 71 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:54,680 I'm never sure who's listening. So it tickles me right in the 72 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:56,560 pink whenever I hear from people. 73 00:03:57,400 --> 00:03:59,760 I'm just curious though, like, why did you reach out? 74 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:01,200 Why did you want to be on the show? 75 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:07,640 My descent into tennis fanaticism has been quite steep 76 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:13,040 and precipitous, and I started listening to your podcast. 77 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:17,560 A friend told me about it and said you have to, you have to 78 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:20,399 listen. It's all about being gay and 79 00:04:20,399 --> 00:04:23,440 loving tennis, and you seem to check both of those boxes. 80 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:27,320 So it feels like it was only a matter of time. 81 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:30,640 And here I am. I love the way you phrase that. 82 00:04:30,640 --> 00:04:35,520 It's the the descent into tennis obsession because it really it 83 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:39,760 is. And luckily the tours are are 84 00:04:39,760 --> 00:04:41,920 feeding our addictions. It's non-stop. 85 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:45,600 We've got a ton of action to get through and we are going to get 86 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:49,720 to it. But first we're going to play a 87 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:51,200 little game called getting ballsy. 88 00:04:51,280 --> 00:04:55,000 So anytime there's a new ball boy on, I want us all to get to 89 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:57,840 know them a little bit more. We're going to go deep. 90 00:04:57,920 --> 00:05:00,920 We're going to probe you on just how gay for tennis you are. 91 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:05,840 So first question, Benjamin, are you gay? 92 00:05:05,840 --> 00:05:11,120 TP or WT gay? You know, my first answer would 93 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:16,640 be WT gay. I find with the women's tour, I 94 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:19,960 maybe get more invested in some of the stories, some of the 95 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:24,120 individual players. But you know, when it's when it 96 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:27,920 works, it works. And sometimes the gay TP boys, 97 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:31,040 they know how to deliver. I'm still not over the French 98 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:36,120 Open final, so. Oh yeah, I mean that look, I've 99 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:38,640 said it on every show since that goddamn final, but if they put 100 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:42,320 that in the movies, I would go put that at the sphere in Las 101 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:43,960 Vegas. I will watch that. 102 00:05:43,960 --> 00:05:47,640 I am sold. So OK so WTWT gay you like the 103 00:05:47,640 --> 00:05:49,880 storylines more there than than with the men? 104 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:52,560 I do. I think there's, there's just 105 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:55,800 something about the style of play that I maybe connect with a 106 00:05:55,800 --> 00:06:00,080 little more. Maybe this is some some past 107 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:02,960 trauma coming out, but you know, something about some of these 108 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:06,560 guys when they're just like the game is just these like massive 109 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:10,000 serves and and and walking side to side on the court. 110 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:13,560 Yeah, I find it a little less little less fun to watch. 111 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:15,880 Yeah, yeah. No, it's true. 112 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:19,080 It is interesting. I I think at the US Open, Amanda 113 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:21,360 Anasimova's I forgot if it was the forehand or the. 114 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:24,240 Backhand. Faster than all the men. 115 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:26,160 It was the fastest, best thing out there. 116 00:06:26,640 --> 00:06:31,000 I think also of late, the other thing about the tours is with 117 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:35,680 the ATP, you have Alcaraz and Sinner really separating 118 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:38,280 themselves. And so sometimes it can make 119 00:06:38,760 --> 00:06:41,760 other things going on on the tour feel like, you know, an 120 00:06:41,760 --> 00:06:43,480 asterisk to whatever they're doing. 121 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:47,840 Whereas you know, WTA and this has positives and negatives, but 122 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:50,040 you know, you never know what's going to happen. 123 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:52,720 Literally anyone could win any tournament. 124 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:54,680 It's crazy. Crazy What? 125 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:56,360 Yeah. I mean, like for storylines. 126 00:06:56,360 --> 00:07:00,760 I love it. OK, So what makes you a ball 127 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:02,840 boy? Give us a little history of you 128 00:07:02,840 --> 00:07:05,400 and tennis it. Was always sort of lurking, 129 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:07,680 right? It was it was latent, I guess, 130 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:10,080 you know, and some of it make a lecture. 131 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:13,640 Well, some of it may also, you know, have to do with my 132 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:16,920 relationship with my mother, which I feel, you know, I hear 133 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:19,200 is sort of an intense thing for for gay boys. 134 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:23,240 But was she? Was she adamantly for or against 135 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:25,760 tennis? She just always had tennis on. 136 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:28,000 It was always like she was always watching it on the 137 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:30,480 weekends. I never really then understood 138 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:32,600 how there could be so much tennis to watch. 139 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:35,120 You know, both my parents played. 140 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:38,680 She would sign us up for lessons here and there. 141 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:41,240 You know, I was always sort of watch out of the side of my eye. 142 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:45,480 But then it really was around 2022 and the that U.S. 143 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:49,480 Open that year that I got hooked. 144 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:54,680 And since then, you know, as I said, it's been a steady ascent 145 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:59,360 or descent rather into watching as much tennis as I can, reading 146 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:03,080 about tennis. But I'm also like, it's funny, I 147 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:06,760 I feel very self-conscious about being recent in my tennis 148 00:08:06,840 --> 00:08:10,520 obsession. And also I feel like I'm like 149 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:14,200 claiming a little bit of the, you know, the the purest 150 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:18,040 standpoint where it's like, I don't need the dating show at 151 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:21,560 the US Open. I don't need the like the frou 152 00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:24,520 FRA. I want, I want the tennis. 153 00:08:25,080 --> 00:08:28,800 Yeah, yeah. Well, I mean, look, this, this 154 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:31,120 year's U.S. Open was the the most vulgar 155 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:33,440 Grand Slam in the history of Grand Slams. 156 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:36,240 You know, including the prize money, nobody needs to get 157 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:38,159 $5,000,000 for winning seven matches. 158 00:08:38,159 --> 00:08:41,960 I mean, that's just crazy, but OK. 159 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:43,320 Yeah, OK. As long as you're a Pierce, as 160 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:45,160 long as you're not like. And I also love pickleball, 161 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:50,520 which if you do, do not tell me, OK? 162 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:52,120 I thought we were doing as well you. 163 00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:53,640 Have a racket. OK. 164 00:08:53,680 --> 00:08:54,600 All right. Next. 165 00:08:56,120 --> 00:08:59,560 OK, next question. Why do we think gay people love 166 00:08:59,560 --> 00:09:00,960 tennis so much? Because it is one of those 167 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:04,000 things where there's just a big connection to the sport. 168 00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:06,520 So speak for all of us. Why do we love it? 169 00:09:07,520 --> 00:09:11,720 Yeah, I think there are a couple of things floating around my 170 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:13,280 head. Some of this I I've worked out 171 00:09:13,280 --> 00:09:17,320 with some friends for one, I feel like, you know, even though 172 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:22,360 now we have NBA players walking into their games and just the 173 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:26,960 coolest outfits, I feel like with tennis, some of these 174 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:30,280 cultural aspects, the fashion kind of became like more 175 00:09:30,280 --> 00:09:35,080 integrated into the sport. I'm thinking about the encore 176 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:39,200 outfits of, of the 90s and this kind of like, you know, melding 177 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:43,200 of tennis, pop culture, music stardom. 178 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:46,040 So it's got kind of like that mass cultural element. 179 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:49,560 And but yet something about tennis, it's also a little camp. 180 00:09:49,560 --> 00:09:53,920 It has this aristocratic kind of aspiration. 181 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:57,960 And one of the other sort of threads here, I think, is that 182 00:09:58,160 --> 00:10:03,720 it is kind of like watching a reality TV show because all of 183 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:07,280 the stories, like everything, is so individualized. 184 00:10:07,280 --> 00:10:12,680 You do get these, you know, helpings of drama, like pretty 185 00:10:12,680 --> 00:10:16,280 regular intervals over the course of the season. 186 00:10:16,280 --> 00:10:23,920 And gay people love drama. Wow, OK, you're setting us back 187 00:10:23,920 --> 00:10:25,080 20 years. Thanks. 188 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:27,560 We just love that drama. I mean, you're not wrong. 189 00:10:27,560 --> 00:10:29,360 I agree with that. I agree with all of that. 190 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:31,680 Although it is interesting though 'cause just a minute ago 191 00:10:31,680 --> 00:10:33,840 you were like, I don't need a dating show, just give me the 192 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:36,040 tennis. I reserve the right to 193 00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:38,120 contradict myself at at every turn. 194 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:40,720 Fair. This is fair. 195 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:46,040 Is there something about the the sport, the the strokes, the 196 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:50,600 scoring or something that really appeals to you in this sort of 197 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:55,240 like queer mindset? I think the type of movement, it 198 00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:59,240 can be so elegant. Maybe not when you know, Oh 199 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:03,280 yeah, Towson is like running side to side, but when like Al 200 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:10,240 Shaz, No, she's she's great. I obviously, you know, she's not 201 00:11:10,560 --> 00:11:11,520 a mover. She's not. 202 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:12,640 A mover. She's amazing. 203 00:11:12,680 --> 00:11:13,720 She's a big babe. Tennis. 204 00:11:13,760 --> 00:11:17,960 Yeah, yes, you watch Alcaraz and it can be. 205 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:26,600 The game can be so crafty and so varied and every movement of his 206 00:11:26,760 --> 00:11:30,000 could is a photograph. It's it's really beautiful. 207 00:11:30,040 --> 00:11:33,920 To watch. Yeah, yeah, he I swear he either 208 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:36,520 hires A photographer or he knows when they're about to shoot 209 00:11:36,520 --> 00:11:39,080 'cause it is like I posted this a couple weeks ago. 210 00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:42,560 There were shots of him at the US Open and shots of Novak and 211 00:11:42,560 --> 00:11:47,120 it was like that's an L skit where it's like I'm Nora, it's 212 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:50,400 like the four sisters and it's like 3 beautiful ones. 213 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:54,120 And then it was Novak looking like the busted up 4th 1 because 214 00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:57,600 every photo of Carlos it, it's like ballet on clay. 215 00:11:57,600 --> 00:11:59,400 It's like the he's just like always. 216 00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:02,240 He knows his angles. He knows where the camera is. 217 00:12:02,560 --> 00:12:05,880 Yeah, yeah, it's true. It is a it is AI think it is 218 00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:10,240 beautiful as a sport. It is just gorgeous to look at. 219 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:14,080 Players are so pretty. I mean, that's kind of. 220 00:12:14,080 --> 00:12:17,320 Proportionally, I feel like they're they're it's a gorgeous. 221 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:21,720 Sport yeah, we have the Bay TP for a reason, but if you're in 222 00:12:21,720 --> 00:12:25,520 like the top 200 players in the world, it's hot, you're hot, 223 00:12:25,680 --> 00:12:29,760 you're hot when it gets this like it's gorgeous just to be a 224 00:12:29,760 --> 00:12:33,360 a player. Yeah, grade OK Speed round 225 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:36,360 Yannick or Carlos. Carlos. 226 00:12:37,600 --> 00:12:42,200 Boom, OK, favorite cup. I think the United Cup, I like 227 00:12:42,200 --> 00:12:45,000 the, I like the mixed format. Interesting. 228 00:12:45,080 --> 00:12:46,360 OK, we're going to get to that later. 229 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:50,120 Favorite tournament? This is tricky. 230 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:52,960 I feel very, you know it, it comes and goes. 231 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:54,600 It's kind of like what's giving at a moment. 232 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:58,680 I really liked DC this year and I think again, like a mixed 233 00:12:58,680 --> 00:13:03,760 format 500, all the anticipation going into the US hardcourt 234 00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:07,880 swing, fun winners. It really, it really did it for 235 00:13:07,880 --> 00:13:11,520 me this year. It was, it was a really fun 236 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:14,680 watch and and I loved the people who I think it was Layla 237 00:13:14,680 --> 00:13:16,400 Fernandez wanted it for the women and. 238 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:19,240 Fernandez and then and then on the bend, yeah. 239 00:13:19,240 --> 00:13:22,160 And that shot him like comforting to. 240 00:13:24,640 --> 00:13:26,840 Divide of a tricina, yeah. Tricina Yeah, at the end. 241 00:13:27,520 --> 00:13:29,160 Yeah, yeah, no, that was a great tournament. 242 00:13:29,800 --> 00:13:33,480 Then what's your favorite Slam? That would be Roland Garris. 243 00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:36,760 Roland Garris. Oh, he's got the merch on. 244 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:37,560 OK. Have you been? 245 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:39,280 I do. No, I've not been. 246 00:13:39,280 --> 00:13:42,640 I've slams. I've been to the US Open, other 247 00:13:42,640 --> 00:13:45,640 tournaments. I've been to Indian Wells, the 248 00:13:45,640 --> 00:13:48,360 Cincinnati Open. I loved it. 249 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:51,000 I loved it, but I also feel I loved it because I got to go. 250 00:13:51,720 --> 00:13:54,800 Yeah, Tennis live is like nothing else. 251 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:57,240 I mean, I was watching the qualities at the US Open and it 252 00:13:57,240 --> 00:13:59,280 was fucking amazing. Like, yeah. 253 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:01,720 Absolutely. I mean, you get to really see 254 00:14:01,720 --> 00:14:06,600 the way players move, you get to see their their temperament 255 00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:10,120 between points. It really is like watching 256 00:14:10,120 --> 00:14:12,760 something else entirely. Yeah, yeah. 257 00:14:13,480 --> 00:14:16,240 OK. Last question, in honor of 258 00:14:16,240 --> 00:14:20,240 National One Hit Wonder Day, who is your favorite one hit wonder? 259 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:23,400 Meaning someone who won one slam and no more? 260 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:28,600 Yeah, this could be some recency bias here, but I'm going to go 261 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:32,920 with Maddie Keys at run in the Australian Open. 262 00:14:32,920 --> 00:14:40,000 It was so exhilarating and I, I mean, I get chills thinking back 263 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:44,280 to watching her hit that winner against Sabalenka to win. 264 00:14:44,880 --> 00:14:48,680 It it healed something and all of us, it healed the tournament 265 00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:50,800 because the tournament wasn't actually that great leading up 266 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:52,360 to it. It was kind of like 1-1. 267 00:14:52,480 --> 00:14:53,840 Yeah, I I agree. I love that. 268 00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:58,200 But now I do think that you are disrespecting Miss Keys saying 269 00:14:58,200 --> 00:14:59,880 she's only she's oh, she's the one who wonder. 270 00:14:59,880 --> 00:15:01,920 She's not going to win another one. 271 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:04,800 You don't think? You know, I, I, I don't mean 272 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:09,200 disrespect because what an incredible achievement as part 273 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:13,280 of an an incredible career. Do I think she's going to win 274 00:15:13,280 --> 00:15:14,760 another slam? I'm not sure, yeah. 275 00:15:15,400 --> 00:15:18,400 No, I mean it could happen. It could. 276 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:19,880 It could. Because she is. 277 00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:23,000 I mean, because then you see her freaking first round match the 278 00:15:23,120 --> 00:15:25,920 US Open. Yeah, was, it was. 279 00:15:25,960 --> 00:15:29,840 It. 7 unforced air. It was something like it was, it 280 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:32,920 was almost mathematically impossible for an opponent to 281 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:36,320 lose given how many points she gave her. 282 00:15:36,320 --> 00:15:39,600 It was just horrible. And, you know, granted she 283 00:15:40,520 --> 00:15:42,160 everyone has an off date. Look, you should see me play 284 00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:43,440 tennis. Actually, no one should ever 285 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:47,600 watch me play tennis. But you know, it's just she's 286 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:50,160 she's streaky. So yeah, no, that's a good one. 287 00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:56,760 Mine is Ava Maioli from back in the day when I was not yet born 288 00:15:56,920 --> 00:16:02,720 in 1997, and she won the French Open and she beat Martina Hingis 289 00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:06,600 in the final. That ended up being the only 290 00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:09,520 match that Martina Hingis lost in a Grand Slam. 291 00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:12,480 So without that, she would have won the calendar Grand Slam that 292 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:15,920 year. Back then, me and Marty, me and 293 00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:19,360 Miss Hingis were not buddies. She was kind of the villain of 294 00:16:19,360 --> 00:16:21,840 the tour. She was very brash. 295 00:16:21,840 --> 00:16:26,240 She was just now all these things that I actually really 296 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:29,440 admire her for being like 17 and being like, no, I'm going to 297 00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:31,840 take this. And then the end of her career 298 00:16:31,840 --> 00:16:35,080 was so cool where she's still winning grand SEM double S. 299 00:16:35,080 --> 00:16:38,160 And anyone who gets suspended for cocaine use I just find 300 00:16:38,160 --> 00:16:40,840 hilarious because like it's like, bitch, that is not a 301 00:16:40,840 --> 00:16:43,440 performance attention drug. Like no one is doing cocaine to 302 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:47,520 play better tennis. Or if they are, then I don't 303 00:16:47,520 --> 00:16:49,600 know what cocaine is because that makes no sense to me. 304 00:16:49,600 --> 00:16:53,280 So yeah, but shout out to Ava Maioli. 305 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:56,920 I don't know where she's at, but kudos to her and listeners. 306 00:16:56,920 --> 00:17:00,400 Hey, if you've got a favorite one hit, wonder who is it and 307 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:02,000 why is it Juan Martine del Potro? 308 00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:05,119 Just saying. OK, awesome. 309 00:17:05,119 --> 00:17:08,400 Well, great to get to know you. Now we're going to switch over 310 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:12,000 to our lobs beans. And again, for anyone who is 311 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:15,119 new, the lobs be and it's just a thing that made us gayer for 312 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:18,720 tennis since the last show. And because it's been 3 weeks, 313 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:24,760 and because the drama and insanity and storylines and 314 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:28,640 ridiculousness of the last 3 1/2 weeks, we've got a lot of 315 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:30,360 lesbians. And we're actually going to post 316 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:34,080 a lot of these to our Instagram so you can go over and see which 317 00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:37,080 ones are which. But we're going to just have 318 00:17:37,080 --> 00:17:40,240 some highlights. And Speaking of highlights, the 319 00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:42,600 first lesbian has got to be Carlos Alcaraz. 320 00:17:42,600 --> 00:17:45,760 His hair journey. I know I talk a lot about hair 321 00:17:45,760 --> 00:17:49,960 on this show, Ben, you are toeing the line in terms of 322 00:17:49,960 --> 00:17:52,320 appropriate length of hair. I'm going to, I'm just going to 323 00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:54,400 put that out there. We'll talk about it. 324 00:17:54,560 --> 00:17:56,800 We'll put it in your rider for future shows. 325 00:17:57,200 --> 00:18:00,440 I don't know. Do you ever do like a a top 326 00:18:00,440 --> 00:18:04,440 knot? Only to sleep I do put it back 327 00:18:04,560 --> 00:18:06,880 to play. But OK, OK. 328 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:10,040 Because if you were, if you were rocking a top knot, this would 329 00:18:10,040 --> 00:18:16,200 be a very short show. No, but, but Carlos, I'm just 330 00:18:16,200 --> 00:18:19,280 going to say he's a stunt queen. There was that photo shoot that 331 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:23,360 came out shortly after the US Open where he was just in short 332 00:18:23,360 --> 00:18:26,520 shorts, nothing else, platinum blonde hair heading. 333 00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:30,400 He looked like the freak monster from Rocky Horror Picture Show, 334 00:18:30,560 --> 00:18:32,920 the guy in the little golden pants. 335 00:18:33,320 --> 00:18:35,600 I mean, I was like, bitch, you know what you're doing. 336 00:18:36,080 --> 00:18:39,320 But I applaud the stuntiness of it. 337 00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:41,160 But why? This is my last one. 338 00:18:41,160 --> 00:18:44,720 Also, is that at the end of the US Open, he was giving this in, 339 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:46,520 in his presser, maybe even right after winning. 340 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:49,320 And they were like, oh, So what are you going to do with your 341 00:18:49,320 --> 00:18:52,760 hair next? Honestly, there's not much you 342 00:18:52,760 --> 00:18:53,880 can do with really, really short. 343 00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:55,200 I mean, what the hell do you think he's going to do? 344 00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:57,440 Like have a wig, get cornrows, Like, come on, you know what 345 00:18:57,440 --> 00:19:00,160 he's going to do? And he's like, I've got the big 346 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:02,400 surprise for you. I, you know, I'm not going to 347 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:08,160 try and do an accent. And it just gave me JoJo Siwa 348 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:11,840 vibes from earlier this year when she's like, I've got music 349 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:15,040 coming out. I'm I'm inventing new music. 350 00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:17,760 It's called gay pop. And it's like, bitch, have you 351 00:19:17,760 --> 00:19:19,160 heard pop? Like that's all gay. 352 00:19:19,640 --> 00:19:21,680 And he's like, I'm have a big surprise for you. 353 00:19:21,680 --> 00:19:26,000 And he comes out and it's blonde like, girl, like, OK, yeah, 354 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:27,800 cool. Like you you went bleach blonde 355 00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:30,000 like all of us did in COVID, but OK. 356 00:19:30,560 --> 00:19:33,120 As long as he doesn't also go trad wife at some point. 357 00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:37,560 JoJo she was Journey. That's her journey. 358 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:39,720 Yeah. From from gay pop to trad wife. 359 00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:42,720 For real. Well, but yeah, I guess it 360 00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:44,960 depends on who the husband is. I don't know, We'll see. 361 00:19:46,360 --> 00:19:48,320 But it was just like the campiness of all of it. 362 00:19:48,320 --> 00:19:51,760 And also it's landed in a great place because he's got the dark 363 00:19:51,760 --> 00:19:56,800 roots with the blonde tips. It's Lance Bass *NSYNC. 364 00:19:57,120 --> 00:19:58,520 Boom. Bye bye bye. 365 00:19:58,520 --> 00:20:01,560 I love it. You know, watching him dart 366 00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:08,080 around the Labor Cup court, like it was so bright and silver on 367 00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:11,480 the television that I he he really won me over. 368 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:13,560 Yeah. I thought it looked really cool. 369 00:20:13,560 --> 00:20:15,360 And also like, I don't know, there was something. 370 00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:21,680 Yeah, just so bad ass about it. He's like, I just won the US 371 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:23,920 Open. I'm pretty much untouchable this 372 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:26,960 year. I can do whatever I want. 373 00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:30,560 What was the Lobs being for you? What's something that made you a 374 00:20:30,560 --> 00:20:36,360 little gayer? Yeah, it's scrolling Instagram. 375 00:20:36,360 --> 00:20:40,080 I did come across Ava leases Instagram profile. 376 00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:44,200 She's so delightfully charming. Turns out she did break a 377 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:46,520 Bottega Vanetta bag while making a TikTok. 378 00:20:47,120 --> 00:20:51,920 But the thing that really got me was she posted a set of 379 00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:56,960 photographs that I guess she's taken of various tennis courts 380 00:20:56,960 --> 00:21:00,000 that she's played on over the year and they were so 381 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:05,200 beautifully composed. It was it was the white lines 382 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:09,880 against green against purple courts, against a clay court. 383 00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:14,440 And it just really made me want, I mean, how do you not want to 384 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:17,360 be on a tennis court looking at those photos? 385 00:21:17,360 --> 00:21:20,480 A. 100% yeah, I know. You told me about her and you 386 00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:22,200 really turned me on. I've been following her more on 387 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:25,720 social now and and she's a really fun follow. 388 00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:28,920 Like she's always kind of, she's very relatable. 389 00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:31,160 She's having a great tournament. I mean she took out Robot. 390 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:33,880 Yeah. She's in the quarters at 391 00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:38,200 Beijing. So so Eva Lease Atta girl. 392 00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:40,440 No, that's a great one. And yeah, there are there are so 393 00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:42,040 many others. I mean, everything from Marta 394 00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:45,240 Kostiak asking them to stop playing Adele during the 395 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:47,920 changeover just so they can have a little more energy. 396 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:53,240 I mean, work. I I love Marta to like the the 397 00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:56,920 the Laver Cup European teams cuddle couch. 398 00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:00,680 It was so funny. Those black couches are iconic. 399 00:22:01,120 --> 00:22:03,840 Over on the Team World, it's just for Jensen Brooks be 400 00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:06,360 yawning. And then on Team Europe, Flavio 401 00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:09,720 Cabelli is between Yakov men, 6 legs, just cuddling up. 402 00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:11,040 And it's just like, they're adorable. 403 00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:14,520 I love them. So we'll post all those and 404 00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:17,600 more. And also the only person that I 405 00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:20,520 could find who was speaking out against the ridiculous 406 00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:24,120 administration's censorship campaign against anyone who 407 00:22:24,120 --> 00:22:27,320 makes fun of them was Martina Navratilova, who I know is 408 00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:30,080 polarizing. I get it, but hey, she's the 409 00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:32,920 only one who was saying this is straight out of the dictator 410 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:35,240 playbook. I mean, the one thing about 411 00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:41,120 Martina, she does have no fucks to give and she's going to say 412 00:22:41,120 --> 00:22:42,480 it and everyone else is afraid to say it. 413 00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:45,800 So at least she's saying it. So thanks, Marty. 414 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:56,240 So let's jump into some of the recent action with Twit. 415 00:22:56,680 --> 00:23:00,720 And that is this week in tennis, covering the news, the dudes, 416 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:03,920 the feuds of the tour. We are going to cover though 417 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:06,880 some of the headlines and the stories that were really 418 00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:11,880 meaningful to us. And this is maybe, this is maybe 419 00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:16,760 a little dicey for two white presenting guys to to start out 420 00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:18,880 the conversation, but we're going to have a discussion about 421 00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:21,440 race. You know, let's do it. 422 00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:24,200 Let's let's, let's just cancel ourselves right now. 423 00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:28,960 You start. Yeah, so I've got thoughts, but 424 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:30,360 yeah. But I mean, before we get into 425 00:23:30,360 --> 00:23:32,400 the the results of the tournaments, there have been 426 00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:37,320 some some pretty public cultural controversies going on in China. 427 00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:41,760 Taylor Townsend went ham on the Chinese cuisine with her 428 00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:45,920 Instagram Stories and the Chinese fans responded with 429 00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:50,240 signs and boos and they did not love her hot takes on their food 430 00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:52,680 and their cuisine. Then Lorenzo Musti said hey, 431 00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:57,000 hold my cannoli and he called out fans for coughing during his 432 00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:59,360 matches at the China Open in Beijing. 433 00:23:59,960 --> 00:24:02,920 They both apologized on social media. 434 00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:07,240 Lorenzo apologized verbally after his match that he won 435 00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:11,600 against Mannarino, but they both ended up somehow magically 436 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:13,920 getting injuries and pulling out of the tournament. 437 00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:18,120 Lorenzo actually retired during his next match against Lerner TN 438 00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:21,240 I, I did not love seeing this. He got booed off the court both 439 00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:24,600 times as he was leaving and there was this one moment where 440 00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:27,280 he stopped. He was going to the exit tunnel 441 00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:31,040 and he kind of backed out and just looked up because everyone 442 00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:32,600 was booing and saying get out of here, go home. 443 00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:34,760 It was rough. It was rough to see. 444 00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:36,320 It was rough to. Watch now what you want to see. 445 00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:39,160 Yeah. And I just, I feel I, I, I have 446 00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:41,960 a lot of empathy for both of them, especially since they are 447 00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:44,720 two sort of, you know, I'm going to say rising stars. 448 00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:46,640 I mean, they, they, they definitely have high profiles 449 00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:48,520 for the tour. So it's not good for them. 450 00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:50,440 It's not good for tennis, It's not good for anyone. 451 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:55,120 But then Claire Lou, another player on the WTA, she wrote a 452 00:24:55,120 --> 00:24:58,320 pretty powerful piece on her sub stack just about kind of the 453 00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:03,880 pervasive microaggressions and racism on tour against the Asian 454 00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:07,040 community. She's always mistaken for Anne 455 00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:10,280 Lee or Carol Zhao or others. That sucks. 456 00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:13,800 And, and, and I, I have a lot of empathy for that. 457 00:25:14,120 --> 00:25:18,280 I certainly don't have a solution to this, But I'm 458 00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:25,040 wondering where do we think Taylor and and Lorenzo sit now? 459 00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:28,080 Are they forgiven? Do they need to do more? 460 00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:31,000 What do we need to do to, to make this right? 461 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:33,240 If anything? I don't have an answer. 462 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:38,040 So Ben, I'm looking to you to solve global issues of race and, 463 00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:40,880 and cultural insensitivities. You have 10 seconds go. 464 00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:43,960 Great. Yes, Well, if I'm the 465 00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:47,800 adjudicator, no, I first of all, I mean, I don't know that this 466 00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:50,760 is my forgiveness to be to be giving, right. 467 00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:55,240 I think that this is some of the the you know, the danger that 468 00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:59,200 comes with being a part of being a star in an individualized 469 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:04,040 sport with where everyone is also like their own brand 470 00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:08,240 manager. And that's like such a pathway 471 00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:11,200 to stardom. And also it gets so many people 472 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:15,440 in in trouble. And this goes way beyond Taylor 473 00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:17,680 Townsend and and Lorenzo Mousetti. 474 00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:20,120 They're in they're in great company as far as, you know, 475 00:26:20,120 --> 00:26:24,800 people who make biased unfortunate and I'll considered 476 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:29,920 comments online. I wonder, like, hey, is there is 477 00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:33,240 there a role that the tour should be playing in terms of 478 00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:38,640 maybe both like brand management lessons, but also cultural 479 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:42,080 sensitivity training as as players, like travel the world? 480 00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:47,120 I, I don't know, but I think, you know, you know, one thing I 481 00:26:47,120 --> 00:26:51,760 was like incredibly disappointed by was when this all went down 482 00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:54,480 with Taylor Townsend. And the comments are just 483 00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:59,480 overflowing with people saying, well, Yelena Ostapenko was 484 00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:03,320 right, yeah, like, she does have no education. 485 00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:05,200 And it's like, no, no, no, no, no, no. 486 00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:09,640 Like, they're not like, exactly, like, right, right. 487 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:12,240 Her comments were were unfortunate. 488 00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:16,280 And it doesn't make Ilena Ostapenko's OK either. 489 00:27:17,360 --> 00:27:20,000 Exactly. Look, I don't know about you, 490 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:21,720 but this is my first time being alive. 491 00:27:22,120 --> 00:27:24,480 I say the stupidest shit all the time. 492 00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:26,400 I don't understand. They're in good company. 493 00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:27,560 Anytime. Yeah, exactly. 494 00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:31,680 So I, I mean, look, people do make mistakes and it's not an 495 00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:34,480 excuse, but we do have to look at intention a little bit. 496 00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:38,760 I don't think they intended. I don't think they're thinking I 497 00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:41,680 want to insult the entire Chinese community. 498 00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:43,920 They did. So it doesn't, it doesn't 499 00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:46,280 matter, but it's like they weren't. 500 00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:48,840 I think that there is. I think that, but there's a 501 00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:52,520 little bit of grace for intention because I can't help 502 00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:54,960 but look at the parallels of what just what happened to 503 00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:58,080 Kimmel and Colbert. And it's like you say something 504 00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:00,160 you like, like this cancel culture. 505 00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:04,400 I think we need to to hold, to have a little grace for people, 506 00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:09,080 have a little understanding and let them apologize and then let 507 00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:14,240 them let them learn from it. Because also I love them both as 508 00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:17,120 personalities On the tour. We're going to end up with Maria 509 00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:19,560 Zachary and Sophia Kenan playing in the finals. 510 00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:23,160 And if we cancel everyone, I mean, hell, Daniel Medvedev 511 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:28,040 polarizing as fuck. A lot of people really hate what 512 00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:30,200 he did at the US Open. And I agree, it was bullshit, 513 00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:33,080 but I fucking love him. I love what he just did in 514 00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:35,120 Beijing. I love everything about him. 515 00:28:35,120 --> 00:28:37,680 And it's like, I want those characters and those characters 516 00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:41,840 are not safe all the time, so. You know, and you know what? 517 00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:43,840 You know what? I there's, there's been some, 518 00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:48,000 some reporting on the various nicknames that Chinese fans are 519 00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:51,000 giving players, you know, and a lot of them seem to come out of 520 00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:52,880 love. They call Coco Goth the fruit 521 00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:55,960 salad queen. That's my screen. 522 00:28:56,520 --> 00:29:02,080 Name. What they call Katrina Senyakova 523 00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:07,560 instant noodles ova cause of her hair it looks like nice. 524 00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:09,480 OK. And so. 525 00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:16,720 Is that is that nice? You know. 526 00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:23,480 Hey Senyakova, with your frizzy noodle hair, I mean. 527 00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:28,400 It seems, you know, to me that seems a little light hearted 528 00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:31,760 and. Maybe that's I think that's open 529 00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:34,800 to some interpretation, Sir. I don't know. 530 00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:37,400 I mean, you've got curly, luscious hair. 531 00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:39,520 If you were called Ramen Head, how would you feel? 532 00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:43,320 I would feel loved and appreciated for for who I am. 533 00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:46,320 I mean, I do, I do fuck with a ramen. 534 00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:49,920 So I, I, I hear you. No, I. 535 00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:54,080 Think instead of booing, yeah, maybe, I don't know, find a find 536 00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:57,600 a poke fun. Yeah, exactly. 537 00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:00,000 Talk about like Lorenzo Massetti's like beautiful puppy 538 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:01,480 dog eyes. We can make fun of those. 539 00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:05,280 That's that's payback. And I, I still do. 540 00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:07,080 It's funny. So when it happened with Taylor 541 00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:09,080 Townsend, I was like, well, she's not our next Anthony 542 00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:12,200 Bourdain. But I still do kind of think it 543 00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:15,600 would be amazing to give her a show on the Food Network where 544 00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:18,680 she just travels around the world and has she tries food 545 00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:22,000 that is not something she's had before, and let's just let her 546 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,040 react. Because I would watch it. 547 00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:29,000 It's, it's, hey, I think it'd be, I think it'd be interesting 548 00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:31,560 television and a learning experience for us all. 549 00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:37,000 So, OK, so we've solved racism. Just kidding, but I think it was 550 00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:40,000 just worth acknowledging. I, I don't want us to move on in 551 00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:44,000 terms of collective amnesia, but I want us to allow for people to 552 00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:45,600 evolve and change. So that's that's all I'm going 553 00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:47,760 to say. I think Grace, like you said. 554 00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:49,000 Grace. Exactly. 555 00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:51,880 I say grace. Some other sort of just big 556 00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:54,080 headlines. Maybe this is also impacting 557 00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:58,280 their filter. Everyone is fried at this point 558 00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:00,200 in the season, especially in Beijing. 559 00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:03,320 Retirements up the wazoo. I was watching one night. 560 00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:05,600 Men sick retires against Diminour. 561 00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:07,840 Boss Song retires against Navarro. 562 00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:10,600 Earlier Krajikova and Bedosa had retired. 563 00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:13,760 Can win on our big return back after a three month layoff. 564 00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:18,040 Retires her first match. I mean, everyone is just cooked. 565 00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:20,240 I mean, talk about food, everyone's cooked. 566 00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:23,720 Hadaj, Maya, Svitalina, Draper, they've all entered their 567 00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:27,440 seasons. My new proposal is that an 568 00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:30,960 economist needs to join the board of the WTA and ATP and 569 00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:32,520 give a lesson on supply and demand. 570 00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:36,440 No other sport does this where it's year freaking round. 571 00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:38,240 We've got to let the players rest. 572 00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:42,160 We've got to let the fans also savor the season. 573 00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:47,120 I mean, the the the Chinese Open just ended this morning with the 574 00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:48,640 Onyx Center winning over Lerner Tien. 575 00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:51,680 Sorry, spoiler if anyone didn't see that they're given a it's 576 00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:54,240 very nice that they were given a charter plane to Shanghai 577 00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:55,520 because Shanghai's already started. 578 00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:57,480 Like give us. Yeah, Tien's late. 579 00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:00,560 Yeah, it's that scene from Deborah's Prada. 580 00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:02,680 Like, oh, what does that mean? It means you're already late. 581 00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:06,560 Yeah, Emily. And then let us build some 582 00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:09,840 anticipation. I mean, look, NFL fans are 583 00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:12,560 rabid. They spend that offseason 584 00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:14,920 talking about what happened, talking about what's going to 585 00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:17,640 happen, talking about the new teams, the new coaches, the new 586 00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:19,240 this. We don't have time for any of 587 00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:21,960 that. And also let podcasters save 588 00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:25,040 their voices a little bit. I mean, let me go to the Eagle 589 00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:27,560 again on a Friday night. Like, come on, give us, give us 590 00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:31,320 some space. And finally Ego is speaking out 591 00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:33,800 about it. She was like, I can't even think 592 00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:36,800 about the full year schedule. I have to look at what's in 593 00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:38,880 front of me because if I look at where I'm going to be for the 594 00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:44,080 full year, it's too much. And I do have to say a little 595 00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:47,880 bit of bullshit to Ken Wen Jiang, who is just coming back 596 00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:51,320 and says, well, that's what makes the tour, you know, like, 597 00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:53,000 the strongest are the ones who survive. 598 00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:55,520 Girl, you just had a three month layoff. 599 00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:58,000 Yeah. And you just retired your first 600 00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:00,200 match back and this is what you're saying? 601 00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:03,240 Well, here's a question. I know you've you've spoken 602 00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:06,360 about feeling like maybe players should be able to play for a 603 00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:10,120 maximum number of points. There are some other proposals 604 00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:12,360 on the table. You know, I don't know how 605 00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:16,920 seriously they're being taken by others, but like, I know certain 606 00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:21,120 tour directors have put forth the idea of a premium tour that 607 00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:25,720 includes the Slams and the Masters in the thousands. 608 00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:29,320 You know, it's for a sort of truncated calendar because right 609 00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:33,760 now the WTA mandates, right, that the women are playing 55 610 00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:38,280 hundreds in the year, something like that, you know, So what? 611 00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:40,880 So does something like that sound good to you? 612 00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:44,640 I think it just needs to at the very least be a one in, one out 613 00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:46,640 thing where it's like, OK, if there's something new, if 614 00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:50,560 there's a new tournament, a new cup, the God damn 6 Kings and 615 00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:53,320 whatever, it's like, OK, well I can't add. 616 00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:55,040 I've got to then take something out. 617 00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:58,120 I think that there just needs to be like a Susan powder stop the 618 00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:01,280 insanity moment. And I do like the idea of like 619 00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:06,400 you can play for a maximum of 15,000 points because then that 620 00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:08,280 levels the playing field because then there's not a vulture going 621 00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:10,600 around picking up all the points of the tournaments you didn't go 622 00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:12,440 to. You know, like we've got the 623 00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:16,880 Booblix who I love, he's vulturing up in the top 20 624 00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:18,480 because he just keeps going to two 50s. 625 00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:21,920 But if there was a Max a cap, I think that could work. 626 00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:24,480 So. Yeah, yeah. 627 00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:26,120 All right, so we're solving that. 628 00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:29,800 And the last thing I got to say before we get to some of the 629 00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:36,000 actual results is just like I cannot turn my TV on to watch 630 00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:40,159 another match that is in front of 12 people, that is in front 631 00:34:40,159 --> 00:34:42,400 of 50 people, that is in front of you and 100 people. 632 00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:44,760 I mean, these players, they're flying all the world. 633 00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:47,600 And I, I'm thinking specifically about Korea and really about 634 00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:52,120 Beijing and China. The stands are fucking empty, 635 00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:55,600 particularly more for the women, which is interesting because in 636 00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:58,960 China the tournament is A1000 level. 637 00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:01,480 For the men in China it's a 500 level. 638 00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:05,120 So less points, less stellar of a draw. 639 00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:08,480 I watched the Coco golf and Belinda bench match. 640 00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:13,920 They they got into their their fight about Coco's team clapping 641 00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:17,280 so much, partially because it was so quiet in that, in that 642 00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:19,160 stadium because there was no one there. 643 00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:22,960 I mean, these stands are empty. So of course you hear every 644 00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:25,240 cough, you hear every clap, you hear everything. 645 00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:29,160 I still think, and I think that this goes for all tournaments 646 00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:34,080 bus the youth tennis programs in absolutely. 647 00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:37,440 If I was 15, I mean, I, I did not have money growing up. 648 00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:41,400 If someone was going to bus me to a semi final they will 649 00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:44,120 remember that for the rest of their life because the semi 650 00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:47,920 final between Sinner and Alex Demenour not even half full. 651 00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:50,800 Bust the kids in, let them go see that. 652 00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:53,440 But instead it's just empty. I don't know what's your take on 653 00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:55,560 that on my rant I'm like ranting. 654 00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:58,000 Totally. I mean, that feels like another, 655 00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:00,520 you know, sort of point in the column of maybe too many 656 00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:02,880 tournaments. I think actually like your 657 00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:05,760 suggestion makes a lot of sense in terms of developing, you 658 00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:08,880 know, really playing into like an enthusiasm for for the sport 659 00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:14,000 and and cultivating that. I do also, you know, I think 660 00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:16,920 regardless, at like the beginning of a match, they 661 00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:20,120 should survey the stadium and anyone who's in the upper tier, 662 00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:21,680 they should just bring them down. 663 00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:25,320 They should bring back at least the first few rows, you know, 664 00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:27,800 and if you get there late, you lost your seat. 665 00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:29,640 I don't know. Exactly, exactly. 666 00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:31,560 Yeah. If someone comes like I'll move 667 00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:33,880 like at the changeover, like that's, you know, I'm I'm not 668 00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:35,240 as. At the changeover though. 669 00:36:35,240 --> 00:36:36,720 No, it's cruel. Oh well, of course I'm not a 670 00:36:36,720 --> 00:36:39,880 monster, but. We saw the guests open. 671 00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:43,000 Yeah. Then you look at like the Labour 672 00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:47,120 Cup, the Labour Cup packed the rafters and the Japan Open also 673 00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:48,880 had a really good crowd. So it's not like everyone 674 00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:52,560 everywhere, but I mean, that's a great facility in Beijing. 675 00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:54,080 That's where they had the Olympics. 676 00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:56,640 I know the stadiums are beautiful, the Lotus and the 677 00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:58,280 diamond courts. Yeah, yeah. 678 00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:01,040 Yeah, but it's just. So maybe we just need, we need 679 00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:02,680 Federer to put his name on everything. 680 00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:07,880 Oh, he's like, he's becoming like the Billie Jean King of the 681 00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:09,600 of the metastore. Little thing. 682 00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:13,360 Let's get to some results. So on the women's side we had 683 00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:18,840 the Korean Open and Ego wins title #25 she beats and Drova in 684 00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:22,160 the final. Ego has just had an amazing 685 00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:24,320 second-half of the year ever since winning Wimbledon. 686 00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:29,800 She might be a contender to be an all time great. 687 00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:34,160 I mean she's got 6 slams now. Are you an Ego fan? 688 00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:39,880 Are you a Spion chick? You know, I, I am, I, no, I, I, 689 00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:41,920 it's like I, I, I respect the game. 690 00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:47,760 I mean, she's so brilliant on the court and she's so fast, you 691 00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:50,760 know, both in the way she like, whips her racket around, but 692 00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:54,360 then the way she like, starts up to the ball and it is 693 00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:56,520 interesting to see her game improve. 694 00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:59,640 Most of the time she she does come across like very, very 695 00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:02,240 stoic. You know, she's not maybe as 696 00:38:02,240 --> 00:38:06,600 much of A like character as as Arena. 697 00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:08,680 He's not a subalinka. Yeah, yeah. 698 00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:11,120 Right. So, you know, maybe maybe you 699 00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:15,120 know, the going back to the sort of the brand management aspect 700 00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:18,400 of it, you know, I think that could be maybe why she doesn't 701 00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:21,880 quite get the, you know, have the same recognition although 702 00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:28,840 the the Polish fans go yes, yeah, yeah, they are there. 703 00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:31,920 No matter where a tournament is in the world, there are people 704 00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:35,320 with half painted faces. Yeah, Oh yeah. 705 00:38:35,720 --> 00:38:38,840 There's no denying the numbers that she's put together. 706 00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:41,840 No, absolutely not. And I think she's I think she's 707 00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:45,600 going to be around for at least. I mean, she hasn't had any 708 00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:47,040 injuries. Like some players. 709 00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:49,560 Like I look at like a Carlos who's like always kind of a 710 00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:52,120 little injured here and there. It's like, I hope Carlos is 711 00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:54,080 around for 15 years. I don't know if he will be. 712 00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:56,600 I think Ego, she's got some staying power. 713 00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:59,240 I think so too. And you know, I know she's, 714 00:38:59,240 --> 00:39:03,560 she's won the US Open, she's won Wimbledon, which is pretty 715 00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:06,680 fabulous. But I also, I, I do love when a 716 00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:09,840 player like puts their stamp on a tournament and a tournament 717 00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:12,680 like Roland Garros. I just think that's, yeah, 718 00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:14,800 that's very cool. That's hers. 719 00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:19,360 Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. Some other women's action for 720 00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:21,080 the ladies. So like I said, it's the 721 00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:22,880 thousand level tournament for China, whether at the 722 00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:24,480 quarterfinals, we don't know who's going to win. 723 00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:27,840 We've got four Americans in the quarters. 724 00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:29,920 I mean the American girls, they're killing it. 725 00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:32,240 We've got Coco, we've got Emma, we've got Jess, we've got 726 00:39:32,240 --> 00:39:34,680 Amanda. I think Anna Samova is going to 727 00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:37,200 take it. Amanda found a new gear this 728 00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:42,960 year and and you know, if anyone had any concern that she maybe 729 00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:45,800 cracks when there's a giant crowd, well, I don't think we 730 00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:47,560 have to worry about that for this tournament. 731 00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:50,800 So, you know, I don't even know if the final's going to have a 732 00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:54,560 big crowd, but she she could she could really run the table. 733 00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:58,840 Coco though her serve, she fixed it. 734 00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:03,360 Yeah, yeah, She just says she seems to love this time of year, 735 00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:05,360 right? This is what she did last year. 736 00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:09,960 She came back with a new grip. Yeah, I mean, whatever she did 737 00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:13,680 since the US Open with that new surf coach of Gavin, something, 738 00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:17,920 it's got pop, it's got placement. 739 00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:20,560 I saw her against Fernandez. She only had like 9 double 740 00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:24,680 faults, which honestly, that's great. 741 00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:29,080 That is that was wonderful. And then, yeah, she came back. 742 00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:31,560 She was down a set in a break to bench. 743 00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:35,040 Did you see that match? Did you see that altercation 744 00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:37,040 that they had? I did. 745 00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:40,080 I saw bench saying I'm too old for these mind games. 746 00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:44,520 Yeah, yeah, it was not. I didn't love it. 747 00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:51,360 And and this is again, where it it was a changeover and they 748 00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:54,920 were both seated and Belinda is yelling up to the chair empire. 749 00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:57,520 But what's going on? And Coco heard what was being 750 00:40:57,520 --> 00:40:59,760 said, so she started speaking too. 751 00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:03,360 And I just feel like, look, if the culture of tennis is 752 00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:07,360 changing and again, they're not, I'm not saying they're like 753 00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:09,720 boxers, but if it was like boxing where you go to different 754 00:41:09,720 --> 00:41:13,160 corners and you don't, you're not just like sat so close to 755 00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:15,160 your opponent. Maybe we need to start being 756 00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:16,800 more like that. Maybe the chair Empire needs to 757 00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:19,640 not be on this golden throne up in the sky. 758 00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:22,800 Maybe they need to be more about managing the personalities. 759 00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:26,120 Cause the chair Empire's job is no longer to call in or out. 760 00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:27,720 It's no longer to do anything really. 761 00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:32,280 So like manage that scene a little bit better because it 762 00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:34,360 just was like, why are you sitting up there? 763 00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:35,680 Like would come down and talk to them. 764 00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:38,880 Coco handled herself great. I mean, talk about media 765 00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:40,800 training. I don't know if she's had it or 766 00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:43,560 she smashed. She is freaking great. 767 00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:46,880 She is, yeah. She's spectacular at it. 768 00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:50,520 They do not call her Coco Gaff, it is Coco Goth. 769 00:41:57,440 --> 00:42:01,280 Over to the men, the Menzies. So we are in the 500 level 770 00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:04,400 again, which I love, love, love, but unfortunately I don't think 771 00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:08,360 we're ever going to have an Alcarez semifinal at a 500 772 00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:11,000 again. We got that last year in the 773 00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:13,360 China Open. I mean, holy crap. 774 00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:15,400 And that was the match of the year last year. 775 00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:18,640 Carlos won that. Three setters, 3 hours and 20 776 00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:22,480 minutes of the greatest freaking tennis of the. 777 00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:24,840 It was so good. And that was like a that was a 778 00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:28,280 little bit of a preview of what was going to happen in 2025. 779 00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:31,280 I remember being up at like 1:00 in the morning, 2:00 in the 780 00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:33,120 morning and like is this for real? 781 00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:35,040 I. Was like, wait, this because 782 00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:40,600 that was the first time that I really felt like, OK, these guys 783 00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:44,920 are playing a different sport, everyone else is just screwed. 784 00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:48,040 But so I think now though, with the five hundreds and with their 785 00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:51,440 clear sort of emergence of them, they're going to kind of avoid 786 00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:53,560 each other. So it's kind of like a divorce. 787 00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:55,280 Like mom got one, dad got the other. 788 00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:58,600 So this year Sinner got China, Alcaraz got Japan. 789 00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:01,160 I do kind of wonder if it's going to be kind of like the 790 00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:04,680 Canadian Open that flip flops back and forth between like the 791 00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:08,200 the WTA gets Montreal one year and then they get Toronto the 792 00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:09,120 next. Interesting. 793 00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:11,680 Like, I just wonder, like how they're going to navigate that 794 00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:13,440 or if this is how it's going to be going forward. 795 00:43:14,720 --> 00:43:18,600 But yeah, the China Open in Beijing just ended center beat 796 00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:21,720 learner Tien. Pretty straightforward 2 sets. 797 00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:25,760 Great run for Tien. Yeah, been a good year. 798 00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:29,880 From the Australian Open to now, it's been really solid. 799 00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:34,120 I love that his name is Lerner because one of his parents is a 800 00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:39,520 teacher. Yeah, what are I? 801 00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:40,320 Forget it. Was is this? 802 00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:42,600 I think it his sister's name is Justice. 803 00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:45,320 Yeah, because his the other parents a lawyer. 804 00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:48,840 Nice, nice. Justice and Lerner. 805 00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:51,360 If I was a lawyer, I'd be like ambulance. 806 00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:56,520 Subpoena. Subpoena. 807 00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:59,440 Yeah, exactly. Tort. 808 00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:04,480 So Sinner, he wins. He didn't look amazing this week 809 00:44:04,720 --> 00:44:08,480 against Demon Hour in the in the semi, he was like walking around 810 00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:11,680 pretty gingerly, which I guess is what a ginger does. 811 00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:14,360 They walked gingerly. I don't know, but this was like 812 00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:18,800 extra. But then like Jesus Christ, 813 00:44:19,240 --> 00:44:22,280 Yannick Sinner and his tummy ache, it's continued. 814 00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:25,320 So he in the presser after his semi final, people were asking 815 00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:28,560 like, are you OK? And he's like, I don't even have 816 00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:30,760 the quote in front of me, but he's like, yeah, I had diarrhea. 817 00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:34,040 Like it's just like, I guess it's good that he's transparent 818 00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:36,200 about what's going on, but he always has a tummy ache. 819 00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:40,400 Maybe he needs to get checked for like celiac or like lactose 820 00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:41,800 intolerance. I. 821 00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:44,680 Could be lactose intolerant if he's from northern Italy. 822 00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:47,680 I know well. Yeah, I guess I don't know. 823 00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:49,440 Don't tell people what to do with their bodies. 824 00:44:49,720 --> 00:44:52,000 His body can be intolerant of whatever he wants. 825 00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:54,520 I don't know. It's interesting though, because 826 00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:58,160 if we think about this from like from a year ago from that 827 00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:02,480 Beijing Open, granted, of course Yannick had that three month 828 00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:06,800 suspension for the positive test, but there's just not a lot 829 00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:11,160 of buzz around Yannick really since he won Wimbledon. 830 00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:13,200 Like, I haven't seen the Kurata boys. 831 00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:16,960 They were in the stands, the wigs, I mean, people were 832 00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:19,680 wearing red wigs every tournament, every place that he 833 00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:21,480 went. Am I missing something? 834 00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:23,680 Like is the, is the, is the shine kind of off center? 835 00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:27,960 Is it 'cause he has diarrhea? I don't know, Everyone's just 836 00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:30,600 steering clear a little bit. Maybe they used to start 837 00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:36,040 dressing in pink for Pepto Bismol, but no, yeah, I, I, I, I 838 00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:39,560 saw him play at the Cincinnati Open and there were fans sort of 839 00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:42,760 speckled around wearing red and orange. 840 00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:47,160 But I don't know, maybe it maybe it's the the violation ban. 841 00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:50,720 Maybe he's also, he's not, he's not the showman the Carlitos is. 842 00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:54,200 Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, he's kind of he's kind 843 00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:55,520 of stealing. He's kind of intense. 844 00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:57,440 And I know he says he's he's human too. 845 00:45:57,440 --> 00:46:00,000 He has emotions. I'm not taking that away from 846 00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:02,400 him. But what else would a robot say? 847 00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:04,960 I have, I have emotions. I am real. 848 00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:09,120 I never understood why he was such a cultural phenomenon 849 00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:14,360 because I've never seen a tennis player followed by people 850 00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:16,520 dressed up like carrots or wearing wigs like that. 851 00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:20,440 I mean, that was like Andre Agassi level, like images, 852 00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:23,160 everything. I didn't see that for Federer. 853 00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:27,200 No one dressed up like Novak. This was like a different level 854 00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:31,160 of fandom that just exploded. And here's the thing right now, 855 00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:35,160 and maybe again, it's the tummy ache, but he like didn't play 856 00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:38,120 great. He lost a set to Atman. 857 00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:42,280 He lost a set to diminour. He's not invincible right now, 858 00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:46,080 so maybe when he gets back to that level, that Superman level 859 00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:49,640 will all be busting out the red. Or maybe the Kuroda boys got to 860 00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:53,280 come back, have to come back, and then he'll find his strength 861 00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:55,160 again. Kuroda boys, if you're 862 00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:57,160 listening, where, where, where are you at? 863 00:46:57,160 --> 00:46:59,040 We need you. We need you, Batman. 864 00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:06,120 I do have to say I loved the the mini resurgence of Daniel 865 00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:09,120 Medvedev. He made it to the semis. 866 00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:12,120 He had to retire, though. Again, talk about the chair 867 00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:14,480 empires like not really doing their jobs or knowing what to 868 00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:17,400 do. He got that ridiculous violation 869 00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:20,960 for for lack of effort when he was cramping so much he couldn't 870 00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:22,920 walk. Yeah, it's like, what the. 871 00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:26,720 What the hell? And he handled that with way 872 00:47:26,720 --> 00:47:29,880 more grace than he did at the US Open. 873 00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:31,520 And he's trying. He was even. 874 00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:33,360 He's really like, look, I'm trying not to lose my shit on 875 00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:35,320 you. But it was the most ridiculous 876 00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:36,280 call. I mean. 877 00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:38,840 Yeah, that was absolutely out of line. 878 00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:42,480 Like, Medvedev is not a tanker. I know he's polarizing, but he 879 00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:45,640 took out Zverev. And in my book, anyone who beats 880 00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:50,480 Zverev, you're OK with me. So I'm with you. 881 00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:52,960 I'm with you. Yeah, so, but it's good to see 882 00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:57,400 him again. Then on the other side of not 883 00:47:57,400 --> 00:48:02,080 the pond, but you know, on in Japan, Alcarez was there living 884 00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:06,160 his best life. You know, it is interesting. 885 00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:09,040 So there was, there was obviously that cultural blowback 886 00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:12,320 going on with Taylor and, and Lorenzo in China. 887 00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:16,280 But then I look at Japan and, and we've got social media 888 00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:21,160 showing Carlos dressing up like a samurai and we had Hogaruna 889 00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:26,560 doing like a, a kabuki dance. I, I wasn't sure how I felt 890 00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:31,160 about like, is that OK? Again, I don't know anything. 891 00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:35,120 What is that the? Thing I'm praying for is that 892 00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:38,880 there were Japanese people coaching them to do this, the 893 00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:41,480 whole, you know, off camera. Yeah, yeah. 894 00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:43,960 A few other things, though, that had come out of Japan. 895 00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:48,160 We had the return of Baratini. Our beautiful Matteo Baratini is 896 00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:51,840 back in action after yet another injury, and he had a solid win 897 00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:55,440 over Moon Hour. Then he lost his next match. 898 00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:59,320 Brooksby also had a great run to the semis. 899 00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:02,240 I love Jensen Brooksby, I love his game. 900 00:49:02,720 --> 00:49:07,000 It's very unique style of ground strokes. 901 00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:10,440 He took out Hulgaruna in the quarterfinals, which was a great 902 00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:14,840 win. Hulgaruna also in the last three 903 00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:19,520 weeks or so, not killing it. His mom needs to take his phone 904 00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:24,400 away again. He had another Russian Cougar, 905 00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:29,560 which to Hulgaruna is anyone over 25 call him out for sliding 906 00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:34,120 into his DMS. This was Kalinskaya, not a good 907 00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:35,400 look. And he's like, if I was asking 908 00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:37,840 you about you would know it, which was again, Holger. 909 00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:41,480 Just don't. Then he's talking about playing 910 00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:44,320 Spain in the Davis Cup and he's like, I have the hairs on my 911 00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:47,800 chest to beat them, honey. He has no hair in his chest. 912 00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:51,000 I don't know he's he would lose in the first round of of fat 913 00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:53,760 Bear week. So I know, Holder, just God 914 00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:56,000 bless you again. Corky puts his foot in his 915 00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:57,200 mouth. I mean, he's another one where 916 00:49:57,200 --> 00:50:00,880 it's like, I appreciate what he's doing so. 917 00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:04,800 Yeah, yeah, yeah. And the the the ladies seem to 918 00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:07,520 know how to handle it. Oh my God, they're like, this is 919 00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:10,400 like a flyswatter. It's just like Holder get away, 920 00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:13,320 get away. But then we ended up with a 921 00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:17,000 final of Alcarez Fritz. A top five final out of 500 is 922 00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:22,240 pretty rare and it was good. It was, I mean, fritzy, he got 923 00:50:22,240 --> 00:50:23,760 that big win in at the Labor Cup. 924 00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:28,920 It was a good, good match. I mean, Fritz has really stepped 925 00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:31,880 his level up. Yeah, I think here's the 926 00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:33,640 question. Do you think he came into that 927 00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:38,480 final feeling more confident because of the Labor 100? 928 00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:41,160 Percent, 100%, Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. 929 00:50:41,560 --> 00:50:45,120 I think that he is really kind of establishing himself as, I 930 00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:47,560 mean, we're all looking about like, who's the 3rd going to be? 931 00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:49,480 Who's the third? You know, talk about the last 932 00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:51,320 show. It's boring with two people, 933 00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:53,880 open relationship, find the third. 934 00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:58,720 Is it Taylor? I don't think he's quite there 935 00:50:58,720 --> 00:51:02,600 yet, but he's getting closer like he had. 936 00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:05,400 Look, the thing about Alcaraz, he gives you one opportunity per 937 00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:07,920 set. He had that early break point 938 00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:10,480 against Alcaraz in the first set and he just kind of shit the 939 00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:12,680 bed. But if he had taken that, and 940 00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:15,800 that's the problem with Taylor, he just, when he gets his shots, 941 00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:19,840 it was like the quarter final against Novak at the US Open. 942 00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:23,400 He had so many break points. He just can't quite steal the 943 00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:25,040 deal. But he's getting closer. 944 00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:28,960 Yeah, yeah, yeah. And everyone does say he works 945 00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:32,400 so hard, yeah, which that's to be commended. 946 00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:34,480 So. Well, 'cause if he doesn't, 947 00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:36,560 Morgues is not going to put up with it. 948 00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:39,280 She looks so good in his. I love it. 949 00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:42,440 It's like you play every other player's box for the most part. 950 00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:46,880 It's like coaches and physios. She's always front center and 951 00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:49,960 like, she was killing it. She looks great in Japan. 952 00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:53,920 Love her. But then it's like, OK, the ink 953 00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:57,920 is not even dry on that giant check and Carlos pulls out of 954 00:51:57,920 --> 00:52:01,200 Shanghai. I think it's pretty wild that 955 00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:03,200 he's going to play Labor Cup, he's going to play Tokyo and 956 00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:05,920 he's going to play the goddamn 6 King Slam, but he's not going to 957 00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:10,560 play Shanghai and he's losing a big bonus because that's his 958 00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:14,320 third Masters 1000 that he's missing of the year. 959 00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:17,800 And so he's going to miss 75% of his bonus, which could be, I was 960 00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:21,840 reading, $2.8 million hers. I don't know. 961 00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:23,680 How do you feel about him pulling out of Shanghai? 962 00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:26,800 Do we not care? No, I feel disappointed. 963 00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:29,960 Of course, there's a part of me that's casting side eye at the 964 00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:35,320 Six Kings Slam and those, you know, huge appearance checks for 965 00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:39,080 going to Saudi Arabia. So it's like, it's a little hard 966 00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:43,600 to stomach some of the comments about the schedule, but it's 967 00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:47,480 also, it's like, I can't really blame the players for that, you 968 00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:49,320 know? And I guess like, that's like 969 00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:52,320 sort of losing that bonus is the tourist way of trying to get 970 00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:57,000 them to stay in all the events. But yeah, I don't know. 971 00:52:57,000 --> 00:52:59,840 I think it's just, yeah, something's not quite working. 972 00:52:59,840 --> 00:53:01,160 I would love to see him Shanghai. 973 00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:04,200 Yeah, I love to. Watch him play all the time. 974 00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:07,520 All the time. Except at the Six Kings slam. 975 00:53:08,080 --> 00:53:10,000 Never, never there. Yeah, there's not a lot of 976 00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:12,120 places I don't want to see him play, but Riyadh is one of them. 977 00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:16,800 I I did think he was going to actually pull out of the Japan 978 00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:20,160 Open when that first round match where he tweaked his ankle. 979 00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:25,360 I mean, he's one of those ones where he has had injuries and 980 00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:30,640 like, we cannot lose generational talents to the 981 00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:35,280 insanity of the tour schedule. You know, if he burns out in two 982 00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:39,000 more years, that's just that's, that's going to be a loss for it 983 00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:41,320 because I want to watch him because he hasn't even reached 984 00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:45,080 his peak yet. I I actually tweaked my ankle 985 00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:47,600 Monday evening at a tennis class. 986 00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:50,040 And, you know, I, I do hear the concern as well. 987 00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:52,680 But, you know, people don't want to lose a generational talent. 988 00:53:52,680 --> 00:53:55,680 So, you know, yeah, we can't meet at Carlos. 989 00:53:55,680 --> 00:53:58,640 Take it easy. Well, and you don't know, you're 990 00:53:58,640 --> 00:54:01,160 a generational talent, Sir. We can't afford to lose this. 991 00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:04,280 Well, as long as you keep your voice because I need you on the 992 00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:06,960 pod. So what does all this mean? 993 00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:10,320 Well, we've got to turn to the Bay TP. 994 00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:12,440 There was a lot we tried to jam in here. 995 00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:17,360 There were at least 12 or 13 people up for for Bay TP slots. 996 00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:22,640 We've got Baratini being back. We have got Felix, OJ, Aliasim 997 00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:26,400 being featured in Vogue. Listen folks, if you get 998 00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:28,520 featured in Vogue, that's Bay TP points. 999 00:54:28,520 --> 00:54:31,320 So Felix, even though he didn't play, he's on there. 1000 00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:37,000 And that wedding was so beautiful, Morocco like. 1001 00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:40,640 Whoa, like literal fairy tale wedding? 1002 00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:43,560 But hey, folks, head on over to our Instagram. 1003 00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:48,440 That's at TBB tennis. Again, that's at TBB tennis, 1004 00:54:49,240 --> 00:54:52,280 TBBS, the ball boys to see the full list. 1005 00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:57,040 And you can check out all of the men of the ATP. 1006 00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:03,400 But we've got to finish things up talking about the cups. 1007 00:55:03,680 --> 00:55:05,240 There was just a buttload of cups. 1008 00:55:05,240 --> 00:55:09,800 Labor Davis, Billie Jean King, the labor cup it it's 1009 00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:11,320 interesting. It's been around for a while 1010 00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:13,200 now. It started out as the best of 1011 00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:16,600 the best and now it's kind of like the the rest versus the 1012 00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:20,280 rest. I don't know the the the rosters 1013 00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:23,360 were were no longer the top tenors, but the vibes were 1014 00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:26,320 pretty good. I got to say like especially the 1015 00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:29,480 night that I was watching Krajikova and and eager play in 1016 00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:33,960 front of like crickets. I turned it over to the Fonseca 1017 00:55:33,960 --> 00:55:38,280 match of the Liver Cup. It was a vibe. 1018 00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:42,040 They were really having a great time there, so that's great. 1019 00:55:42,080 --> 00:55:45,120 Love that. That's one where they were 1020 00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:48,040 hyping him up, like over changeovers and yeah. 1021 00:55:48,160 --> 00:55:49,400 OK, So what do you think of those? 1022 00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:53,600 So I was, I was getting the X from the changeover talks. 1023 00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:56,960 It felt like they were cosplaying like, OK, then you 1024 00:55:56,960 --> 00:55:59,720 got to go in here and do the and it's just like, I don't want to 1025 00:55:59,720 --> 00:56:01,000 know, like, can't we do something else during these 1026 00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:03,560 changeovers? Like, I don't know, like a, a, a 1027 00:56:03,560 --> 00:56:09,280 cheer, Like give me AW W give me an ooi don't know, something 1028 00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:12,920 like a dance routine. But yeah, it was cringy, right? 1029 00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:16,560 I kind of thought it was cringy. I also thought like some of the 1030 00:56:16,560 --> 00:56:20,280 interviews with the players while matches are going on, like 1031 00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:22,440 it's just, and those, it was just sort of like they're, 1032 00:56:22,640 --> 00:56:25,480 they're not saying anything. Like all the players were saying 1033 00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:27,640 was sort of like, Oh my gosh, it's incredible to see this 1034 00:56:27,640 --> 00:56:29,960 match up close. Like they're just sort of hyping 1035 00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:33,200 up the event itself. Yeah. 1036 00:56:33,720 --> 00:56:36,440 I think the the, the room for innovation too is like, you 1037 00:56:36,440 --> 00:56:39,520 know, there's something to be said for that, like having a tie 1038 00:56:39,520 --> 00:56:42,800 break in lieu of 1/3 set. The cups can be in place to try 1039 00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:45,960 things out different formats. Exactly, Exactly. 1040 00:56:46,080 --> 00:56:48,440 Yeah. Also we had Davis Cup. 1041 00:56:49,120 --> 00:56:52,400 It was like down in Delray Beach, I think, where the US 1042 00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:55,760 played Chechiya, another Billie Jean King Cup finals, where 1043 00:56:55,760 --> 00:56:59,720 Italy, I think they beat. They beat the US right in the 1044 00:56:59,800 --> 00:57:00,760 final. Yeah, yeah. 1045 00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:04,840 Overshadowed by Taylor's Food, Food review tour. 1046 00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:08,040 Great to see that. Look, I love Jasmine Paulini. 1047 00:57:08,040 --> 00:57:12,280 I, I, I, I and I just love I Italy is a tennis Mecca right 1048 00:57:12,280 --> 00:57:14,080 now. I'm cool with that story. 1049 00:57:14,080 --> 00:57:16,520 That totally works. But we got all these cops. 1050 00:57:17,080 --> 00:57:18,960 Did you see the one that was on the clay court? 1051 00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:24,520 The clay court. Yeah, Cop the cop, Yeah. 1052 00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:27,280 I'm not sure that I did. Oh, oh, sorry. 1053 00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:28,400 That's because it was the cross court. 1054 00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:33,440 That's right, everybody. That's right. 1055 00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:39,280 It's time for cross courts. I've got my RBG bib on and my 1056 00:57:39,280 --> 00:57:42,880 little tiny gavel and we were going to end our show with cross 1057 00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:46,520 court, where the ball boys are the line judge and jury of 1058 00:57:46,520 --> 00:57:50,240 tennis crimes. And this is the fifth case tried 1059 00:57:50,240 --> 00:57:52,600 in cross court. We've, we've had a busy docket 1060 00:57:52,600 --> 00:57:54,400 by the end of this year. I don't know if anyone's going 1061 00:57:54,400 --> 00:57:59,280 to be spared the judge's fury, but this is the case of cup 1062 00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:07,320 size, and that's spelled SIGHS. Cup size and a season packed 1063 00:58:08,080 --> 00:58:10,960 with more action than a twink at luggage, nut at the eagle. 1064 00:58:11,320 --> 00:58:13,160 There's just no space left in the calendar. 1065 00:58:13,200 --> 00:58:16,400 We've already talked about this, and as one who has valiantly 1066 00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:20,520 tried to stop the cruel March of time, I can confirm we also 1067 00:58:20,520 --> 00:58:25,840 can't add days to the calendar. And according to our Scientific 1068 00:58:26,120 --> 00:58:29,880 Ball Boys poll right after the US Open, I asked, hey, are we 1069 00:58:29,880 --> 00:58:32,840 following this? And honestly, we're not really 1070 00:58:32,840 --> 00:58:35,320 following these cups. They're the cups have runneth 1071 00:58:35,360 --> 00:58:38,400 over. And plus you add the United Cup 1072 00:58:38,640 --> 00:58:41,080 at the beginning of the year, we've got the Hoffman Cup in the 1073 00:58:41,080 --> 00:58:44,960 summer, both mixed team tournaments there. 1074 00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:47,680 There's too many cups and there's collateral damage. 1075 00:58:48,120 --> 00:58:51,160 You know, instead of resting, players play that Labour Cup. 1076 00:58:51,480 --> 00:58:53,080 That could impact what happens next. 1077 00:58:53,240 --> 00:58:56,240 Look, Kaboli bottomed out. Mickelson bottomed out, Mahach, 1078 00:58:56,280 --> 00:58:58,080 who didn't even pick up a racket of Labor Cup. 1079 00:58:58,320 --> 00:58:59,920 They all bottomed out at the next tournament. 1080 00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:02,920 And I got to, you know, ask yourself, folks, would you 1081 00:59:02,920 --> 00:59:06,480 rather Carlos Alcaraz is playing Labor Cup or Shanghai? 1082 00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:10,600 I don't know. So the question before you find 1083 00:59:10,600 --> 00:59:13,760 ladies and germs of the jury, what do we do? 1084 00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:18,160 Do we have to get rid of some? Do we need to make them a little 1085 00:59:18,160 --> 00:59:20,480 more engaging? Do we need to maybe make some of 1086 00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:23,520 them every other year? But we got to do something. 1087 00:59:23,520 --> 00:59:28,800 So I think at minimum we need to go down a cup size or two. 1088 00:59:29,480 --> 00:59:31,240 I think we need a quest reduction. 1089 00:59:31,800 --> 00:59:36,160 So folks, and I'm looking at you, Benjamin, you already 1090 00:59:36,160 --> 00:59:38,120 solved race relations in the world. 1091 00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:46,360 In the case of cup size, how do you find them and what is the 1092 00:59:46,360 --> 00:59:50,000 solution? Yeah, it's a lot. 1093 00:59:51,320 --> 00:59:52,880 It's too many. It's too many cups. 1094 00:59:52,880 --> 00:59:58,800 It's too many cups. It's you know, maybe this is my 1095 00:59:58,800 --> 01:00:02,400 like a hangover of my like anti sports days, but you know, I 1096 01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:05,840 can't follow the the ones that are in the round Robin format 1097 01:00:05,840 --> 01:00:07,800 that are being played at multiple times of the year. 1098 01:00:07,800 --> 01:00:08,840 It is. Oh my God. 1099 01:00:09,920 --> 01:00:14,760 I just, you know, the, the, the nationalism like rears its head. 1100 01:00:16,280 --> 01:00:19,320 But that being said, you know, as I said, like the cups, you 1101 01:00:19,320 --> 01:00:22,920 know, I think there is room for, for innovation, there's room for 1102 01:00:22,920 --> 01:00:29,360 excitement. But yes, less cups, fewer cups. 1103 01:00:29,720 --> 01:00:31,480 Less cups, OK. Yeah, yeah. 1104 01:00:31,600 --> 01:00:34,560 I agree. And so there's two things that 1105 01:00:34,560 --> 01:00:37,640 we're going to do. First we're going to play marry, 1106 01:00:37,640 --> 01:00:40,920 cup kill. It's like marry, fuck, kill, but 1107 01:00:40,920 --> 01:00:43,640 marry cup kill. Where we got to decide the fate. 1108 01:00:44,080 --> 01:00:46,120 OK, which cup? Which cup stays? 1109 01:00:46,120 --> 01:00:49,520 Then we marry and which cup are we killing or which ones get in 1110 01:00:49,520 --> 01:00:54,360 the axe? So Benjamin Karsten 1 by 1. 1111 01:00:54,640 --> 01:01:01,320 Davis Cup marry, Cup kill. We can't put a pin in one for 1112 01:01:01,320 --> 01:01:02,400 now. Nope. 1113 01:01:02,440 --> 01:01:05,160 It's no OK. The jury's got to get lunch. 1114 01:01:08,080 --> 01:01:10,320 I feel like Davis and Billie Jean King need to be answered 1115 01:01:10,320 --> 01:01:12,360 together. OK. 1116 01:01:12,640 --> 01:01:15,760 A little bit because they they seem like sort of the wow, women 1117 01:01:15,840 --> 01:01:17,640 don't. Get their own their own trial 1118 01:01:17,640 --> 01:01:19,000 well. No, that's what I'm saying is 1119 01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:21,680 that like, you know, we certainly can't get rid of like, 1120 01:01:21,680 --> 01:01:24,800 Billie Jean King Cup over the Davis Cup. 1121 01:01:26,280 --> 01:01:27,840 Oh, fair, fair, fair. Yeah, yeah. 1122 01:01:27,960 --> 01:01:31,880 Right, right. Yeah, I think we definitely 1123 01:01:31,880 --> 01:01:33,880 might. Like Mary is United. 1124 01:01:35,200 --> 01:01:38,760 OK, keeping United. I kind of like that spot in the 1125 01:01:38,760 --> 01:01:41,120 calendar. I like the mixed format. 1126 01:01:41,360 --> 01:01:49,720 I like that it also offers tour ranking points and the rest I 1127 01:01:49,720 --> 01:01:55,280 can kind of take relief but. I think we could cut Labor. 1128 01:01:56,000 --> 01:02:00,440 I mean Labor is an exo but I think Labor and Hoffman Cup are 1129 01:02:00,440 --> 01:02:03,680 both up for cutting especially I was thinking. 1130 01:02:03,680 --> 01:02:05,400 About the Hotline Cup hasn't already been cut. 1131 01:02:05,720 --> 01:02:09,680 No, it's basically like a shorter, smaller United Cup. 1132 01:02:09,920 --> 01:02:14,160 OK. Like, OK, why, why, why, why? 1133 01:02:14,840 --> 01:02:18,320 So I think that those are the those are the ones that can can 1134 01:02:18,320 --> 01:02:24,520 be killed in the Mary Cup kill. But I do have a second modest 1135 01:02:24,520 --> 01:02:27,320 proposal. Everything about me is modest, 1136 01:02:27,680 --> 01:02:31,720 especially in this RBG, although I I like it on white. 1137 01:02:31,800 --> 01:02:33,360 I usually wear a black T-shirt, but this? 1138 01:02:33,360 --> 01:02:35,920 Is very, very textural, yeah. I feel like I'm I'm the bride. 1139 01:02:35,920 --> 01:02:39,800 At Felix's wedding, the bride wore white. 1140 01:02:41,000 --> 01:02:46,920 Off to Morocco. Yes, but the second solution, 1141 01:02:47,480 --> 01:02:50,920 OK, they call the Davis Cup the World Cup of tennis. 1142 01:02:51,680 --> 01:02:53,880 Do you know what doesn't happen every year? 1143 01:02:54,400 --> 01:02:56,280 That goddamn World Cup of soccer. 1144 01:02:56,280 --> 01:03:00,640 It happens every four years. Why is the Davis Cup and the 1145 01:03:00,640 --> 01:03:04,160 Billie Jean Cup every year? I think that's too much. 1146 01:03:04,360 --> 01:03:07,240 Imagine they staggered it like off Olympic years. 1147 01:03:07,560 --> 01:03:10,200 So it's like, OK, the next Olympics are 28. 1148 01:03:10,480 --> 01:03:14,240 So if the Billie Jean King Cup and the Davis Cup were just 26 1149 01:03:14,520 --> 01:03:19,280 and then 30, like, again, make us hungry for it because people 1150 01:03:19,280 --> 01:03:23,200 go batshit crazy for the World Cup of soccer because it's every 1151 01:03:23,200 --> 01:03:25,960 four years. And they were like, Oh my God, 1152 01:03:26,200 --> 01:03:28,400 my team. Because yeah, that nationalism, 1153 01:03:28,600 --> 01:03:31,080 it's polarizing. I don't love it all the time, 1154 01:03:31,080 --> 01:03:32,760 but I do love it when the Olympics comes around. 1155 01:03:33,120 --> 01:03:35,440 I get excited to see, like, I hope this country does great. 1156 01:03:35,440 --> 01:03:38,240 I hope that country does great. I don't need to vote by country 1157 01:03:38,240 --> 01:03:41,920 every freaking year, though. What if the Davis Cup and the 1158 01:03:41,920 --> 01:03:43,800 Billie Jenkin Cup were every four years? 1159 01:03:45,760 --> 01:03:47,520 I like it. Are we listening? 1160 01:03:48,040 --> 01:03:50,800 Do I have your attention? Yeah, I really I like that 1161 01:03:50,800 --> 01:03:52,440 solution. Great. 1162 01:03:52,440 --> 01:03:55,520 I love it. OK, so we are keeping the United 1163 01:03:55,520 --> 01:03:58,040 Cup. I'm just going to say we're 1164 01:03:58,040 --> 01:04:00,240 killing the Hopman Cup, Labor Cup. 1165 01:04:00,240 --> 01:04:01,480 You're on thin ice. We're watching you. 1166 01:04:01,480 --> 01:04:03,760 We'll see. We do like you as a sort of, I 1167 01:04:03,760 --> 01:04:04,960 think as a. Hotbed. 1168 01:04:06,320 --> 01:04:07,760 Of. Probation. 1169 01:04:08,280 --> 01:04:10,840 Yeah, you, you have a Lindsay Lohan ankle bracelet. 1170 01:04:11,720 --> 01:04:13,720 But I do like you as a place for experimentation. 1171 01:04:13,800 --> 01:04:16,320 So maybe, you know, see what happens there. 1172 01:04:16,680 --> 01:04:19,800 And then Davis Cup, Billie Jean King Cup, you're going to be 1173 01:04:19,800 --> 01:04:22,280 every four years. We get that national vibe 1174 01:04:22,280 --> 01:04:25,520 without, you know, being overlooked. 1175 01:04:25,520 --> 01:04:28,120 Because frankly, I don't know if anyone really watched the final 1176 01:04:28,440 --> 01:04:31,240 of the Billie Jean King Cup. No one is really talking about 1177 01:04:31,240 --> 01:04:32,240 it. It happened. 1178 01:04:32,640 --> 01:04:36,840 But give it the spotlight it deserves by making it less 1179 01:04:36,840 --> 01:04:39,560 often. So, OK, solved it. 1180 01:04:40,320 --> 01:04:46,960 I mean this, this case, the case of cup size, it has been solved. 1181 01:04:47,200 --> 01:04:51,680 So good, good work everybody. And that's a court is adjourned. 1182 01:04:51,880 --> 01:04:55,680 That's our show. Benjamin, thank you so much for 1183 01:04:55,680 --> 01:04:56,720 coming on. Did you have fun? 1184 01:04:57,600 --> 01:04:59,240 I had. I had a blast. 1185 01:04:59,480 --> 01:05:04,560 Did you grow? Not in stature, but. 1186 01:05:05,560 --> 01:05:08,680 Show me. But OK, will you come back? 1187 01:05:09,520 --> 01:05:11,960 Absolutely, if you'll have me. Oh my God, no. 1188 01:05:11,960 --> 01:05:14,320 You are a ball boy. You are officially a ball boy. 1189 01:05:14,840 --> 01:05:16,320 My parents are going to be so proud. 1190 01:05:17,600 --> 01:05:19,000 Halloween. Halloween's coming up. 1191 01:05:19,640 --> 01:05:21,280 Costume. You're a ball boy. 1192 01:05:22,080 --> 01:05:24,960 And Speaking of, we do have a new show coming up in just about 1193 01:05:24,960 --> 01:05:26,920 3 weeks. Again, it's that time of year 1194 01:05:26,920 --> 01:05:29,840 where the the shows are a little less frequent and we've got yet 1195 01:05:29,840 --> 01:05:32,920 another new ball boy. And it is just in time for 1196 01:05:32,920 --> 01:05:34,640 Halloween. We're going to have a spooky 1197 01:05:34,640 --> 01:05:39,720 themed show with segments like she already done, had curses. 1198 01:05:40,400 --> 01:05:43,760 And in the meantime, stay in touch with us over on Instagram 1199 01:05:43,760 --> 01:05:47,520 at TBB Tennis. Until then, our balls are going 1200 01:05:47,520 --> 01:05:50,520 back in the can. Thanks so much everybody and we 1201 01:05:50,520 --> 01:05:51,760 will see you real soon.