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Stories from Super Touring. 
Hello everyone, and welcome to 

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this week's episode of Stories 
from Super Touring. 

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I'm Levi Riley and joining Alex,
Adam and myself this week to 

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look ahead to the forthcoming 
Super Touring Power Two event at

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Brandon's Hatch, MSV's David 
Willie, the chairman of the 

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CTCRC, Stuart Kay and touring 
car legends John Cleland and 

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Anthony Reed. 
A big warm welcome to you all. 

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You've all been on the show 
before, so how are we all doing 

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this evening? 
Great in Scotland, apart from 

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it's wet, but it's wonderful. 
We had the wet weather yesterday

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so it's nice. 
And we've had it all day today. 

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Yeah. 
Now if you're a big fan of Super

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Tourists, and let's face it, if 
you're listening to this, you 

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probably are, you might know 
that Brands Hatch will be 

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hosting Super Touring Power 2 
next month on the 29th and 30th 

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of June, the sequel to last 
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event. 
David, you are one of the main 

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organisers behind this event for
both this year and last. 

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Can you tell us a little bit 
more about it? 

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Yes, absolutely evening 
everyone. 

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So I think anyone who's 
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and follows your social media, 
massive followers of, of the 

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Super tour era and the event we 
organise at Brands Hatch Super 

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Touring power in the second 
edition this year is basically a

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celebration of, of that area, 
which I think everyone can agree

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is, is probably the most fondly 
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And we basically do our best to 
transport everyone back to the, 

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the 90s, which was obviously 
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of, of, of that era. 
And there, there is just so much

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going on. 
The on track is, is headlined 

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by, by the Super Tours, which is
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CTRCCTCRC. 
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We have hundreds of, of pre 2000
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you're, you know, you're heading
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to late 90s. 
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displays of, of other super 
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So basically if you're listening
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I can assure you this event is 
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Anna Stewart coming to you now 
after the last year's successful

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event, how quickly did you 
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arrangements made on the sequel?
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interesting one actually. 
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You book these things and try 
and make things happen and when,

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when there were people queuing 
to get in on the Sunday, we knew

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we'd we'd got on to something. 
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started a campaign about a week 
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Tour of Power too. 
I got a phone call from David. 

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I think he'd spoken to JP and 
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I went up to Brands Hatch and we
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the first people to book book 
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touring car and Super Bikes, 
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It was it was that quick. 
Yeah, the the. 

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The date soon got soon got 
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feedback from last year was was 
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I mean, personally, I've, I've 
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for almost 20 years now and it 
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much people actually enjoyed the
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It was fantastic to have all of 
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that were there, you know, it 
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such an amazing era. 
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doing that again all on the 
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And talking of the success from 
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were racing in the event last 
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Fond memories of taken out your 
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Well, yes, I mean, it's now a 
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It's a classic racing car. 
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Most of the mechanics working on
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raced that car back in the 
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26 years old, but it still 
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period. 
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now is that we don't have 
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car, so we're having to run a 
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lot harder. 
So the car is not as quick as it

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used to be in period. 
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amazing. 
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the big names turned up. 
Alan Menu was there, Tim Harvey,

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but a whole range of different 
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the weather was great. 
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So in a way it was a sort of a 
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same grand scale. 
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event. 
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yourself as well this time. 
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and his, yeah, thankfully. 
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lawyers in in period. 
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number of the teams. 
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lawyers because they were 
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John, you were initially meant 
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year but unfortunately business 
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withdraw. 
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the event this year? 
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not to be there last year. 
It was the plan. 

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The car was ready, the truck was
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I, I think I said before we came
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eventually reverse out of my 
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to run it. 
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two guys that run my race car or
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run it for me. 
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a team of 12/15 mechanics, I've 
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So it was going to disrupt the 
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be away for as long. 
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I can't race down there with my 
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But I just to get the feel, I go
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night and make racing car noises
sitting in it just to make me 

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feel good, you know. 
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was a real high period in what 
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other guys did. 
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strap line that says that there 
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drive touring cars than there 
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Formula One cars back in the 
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anybody taking money. 
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We probably didn't until we were
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back in again. 
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without bringing this up very 
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1992 in the infamous Silverstone
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talking towards that 30, God 
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Two years, this year 30. 
Two years ago and people still 

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talk about it and, and I just, 
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whole period was. 
You know, it just people come up

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to me still in my showroom and 
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raced the, the, the, the 
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Did you never drive the Volvo? 
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I was offered to drive and I 
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blah. 
But they still relate to it all 

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these years later. 
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indelible mark on everybody's 
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And ironically now lots of guys 
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premieres at Anthony Drives, he 
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when we were racing them. 
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businessman. 
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made a bit of money. 
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gone out and bought one or two 
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whether they'd be the Nissans, 
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whatever, because they can now 
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previously could watch on 
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That was an amazing period in 
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Well, I think you're going to 
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to at Brands Hatch, John, saying
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John's going. 1st and all all 
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to be covered I'm sure. 
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Anthony talking about lawyers 
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employed when Steve and I went 
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such a good lawyer that Toca 
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lawyer. 
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on board as their lawyer. 
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opportunity within motorsport. 
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A jump for life. 
Alex, you were at last year's 

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event. 
Any particular favorite memory 

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stick out from that weekend for 
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Yeah, I remember firstly walking
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morning, the two with with with 
yourself and you could just hear

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that five cylinder Volvo because
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And I remember turning to you 
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23 years or whatever it was or 
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And it just sounded exactly the 
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I'm looking forward to hearing 
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driving this year because they 
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And the other, the other thing 
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And it was the first time I'd 
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little kid, you know, and, and 
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with him on Sunday and, and, and
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being so up close and personal 
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personalities, the drivers, 
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It was just a wonderful event 
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month. 
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about Paul Radissex. 
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Yeah, we, we, Paul Radissex, 
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travelling back from Bathurst to
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Bathurst 1000. 
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rental car and we're doing about
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And Radicic leaned over from the
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all the way to the very last 
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wheels on in this thing. 
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meters with the back wheels 
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solid and get the handbrake off,
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250 miles to get to Sydney with 
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And that was, that was radical 
sense of humour, yes. 

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We must bring that up next time.
Yes, absolutely. 

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Adam, you weren't with us last 
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If you hadn't quite joined the 
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you're looking forward to this 
year's event and is there 

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anything in particular that 
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To be honest, it's just one of 
those events where I'm super 

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excited because I'm not 
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So it's I really appreciate 
being at circuits and being the 

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So anything I do get the chance 
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And I don't think there's any 
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I think whenever I've been 
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know, any classic events where 
there's been like a static 

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display of a super tour or 
anything like that, I just feel 

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really nostalgic and, you know, 
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appreciating the design of them 
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like how far the engines were 
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just how different they were 
back then with obviously the the

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manufactured budgets that they 
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So I don't think anyone, you 
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good, the Volvo's amazing, but I
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just appreciate the fact that 
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love them and they still want to
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It's very much like going to 
Goodwood when you can't quite 

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believe the array of vehicles 
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there that's not just on us. 
You'd be happy to see them on a 

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static display, but to see them 
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something else. 
So yeah, I'm super, super 

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excited about it. 
Well, we asked our listeners for

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their favorite memories from 
last year's of event and here 

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are a few of them now. 
So Phil does says that he was 

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there and that even though it 
was only a demo run, seeing that

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1997 Renault Laguna running 
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wonderful. 
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That was an absolute, the 
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Talking of that 97 Laguna, Tony 
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and having a chat about how good
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amazing. 
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that Will Hoy was his favorite 
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Sorry, Anthony, that I think 
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there, John. 
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we can all agree on. 
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before about Will. 
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wasn't he? 
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first time. 
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background and I mentioned I 
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testing, but we were, we were 
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together, we ate together. 
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at his House of London. 
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And there's very few, as Anthony
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very few drivers at that time 
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that you could go side by side 
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or Thorpston or somewhere and 
trust that they won't heave you 

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in the boonies. 
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he and I had some great battles 
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ultimately won and race after 
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But then we would socialise and 
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was, he was just a, he was a 
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I mean, it's just a, I've got so
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of them good. 
Nothing bad about him. 

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He was just great fun to be 
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team mate. 
I would love to have been a team

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mate Will. 
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The, the, the day that he left 
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phoned and asked if I would say 
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service. 
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my life was to stand and honour 
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and I'm never normally sure for 
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challenge. 
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One thing I do remember from 
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the pits at one point and seeing
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Richard Wheeler has there, the 
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wouldn't it have been nice? 
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had David along with us as well 
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And obviously we talk about Will
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touring cars in the BTCC. 
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great driver and a great person 
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Yeah. 
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team mates, David fitted that 
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Absolutely. 
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Our families would spend time 
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together. 
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Yeah. 
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Well before his time. 
I remember when David and I were

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doing the, the Edinburgh Motor 
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were very combative on track and
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that well. 
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was only 50-60 miles further up 
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and he said to me, he says can I
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what ballpark you're in then 
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more money or whether I need to 
ask for more money. 

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And he told me then what he was 
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more money than that and he was 
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considerably. 
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money was. 
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and ask him afterwards did he 
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But he was, he'd have driven 
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a pint. 
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lot more than that. 
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down to money, but at the end of
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And he deserved to be paid more 
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you know. 
Steve Pryor says it was an 

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absolutely great weekend with so
many great memories. 

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Seeing Super Touring cars that 
he had watched over 30 years 

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previously and meeting drivers 
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really special. 
Dean Slater got in touch to say 

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that just being able to see all 
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space was epic. 
He said his family never really 

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had the money to go to a race 
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see the cars in the flesh for 
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memorable. 
Mark Burns said that meeting 

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Patrick Watts was amazing. 
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as well. 
Nothing Patrick. 

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Yeah. 
Tim Davies said big on the grid 

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and seeing Paul Radysich being 
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surreal, with Radysich being his
touring car hero. 

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Steve Sutton said that the noise
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towards Paddock Hill Ben for the
first time in years was amazing.

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And lastly, Ashley Sharpe got in
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grid full of super tours was 
brilliant, whilst David Hill 

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said seeing Paul Radysich 
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winning Mondeo was brilliant. 
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Anthony being at the event, what
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they come to Brands Hatch on the
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Well, as you can imagine, we've 
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make sure we're at least, you 
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last year, but it's going to be 
obviously so much better now 

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that Mister Cleland will be will
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extremely. 
Grateful for for his support. 

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And it's fantastic to have 
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And you know, it's due, it's due
to John Anthony. 

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That's you know, why I'm, I'm 
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know, from following them their 
careers through, through touring

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cars. 
It's just so fantastic that 

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they're, they're still enthused 
to, to be part of the Super 

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Touring era. 
And it's still what they do. 

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It's, it's just fantastic. 
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appreciate in, you know, they 
just can't wait to see you there

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on the 29th, 30th of June. 
So obviously I've been working 

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very hard with Stuart and the 
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And the highlight of the weekend
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the four super Tour races over 
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So on the, on the Saturday, 
there'll be two races on the, on

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the GP circuit. 
And then what's unique about 

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this event as per last year is 
that on Sunday, we basically 

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have a a brand new event start 
off of qualifying and two more 

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races on the indie circuit. 
So fans get the chance to see 

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the cars on on the GP and the 
indie, which is which is pretty 

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unique. 
As we've already briefly 

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mentioned, R&L groups celebrate 
their 40th anniversary 

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celebration this year. 
And we'll be delighted to to 

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welcome both both Ray and his 
son to come along to, to 

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celebrate that, which we'll go 
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joining John and. 
And his, his special guest will 

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be Andy Rouse. 
We can't wait to welcome Andy 

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back to, to the events again 
together with Steve Super who 

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will be racing the BMW E36 and 
providing he comes back from his

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running escapades, Hopefully we 
can welcome back Patrick Watts 

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as well. 
We're, we're following his his 

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social media quite closely and 
we we're just hoping he makes it

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back. 
If his wife doesn't kill. 

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Him. 
Yeah, exactly. 

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And also we we very much look 
forward to welcoming Jeff Allen 

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back to the event again as well.
We've got, we've got. 

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Lots of other drivers that we're
hoping to confirm and also 

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personalities in in due course, 
but we just want to keep 

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everyone on their toes really 
and just keep looking out on 

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social media for, for updates on
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Obviously we we have the, the 
Autosport stage has been 

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announced again, that'll be 
taking place. 

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And obviously, you know, we 
can't wait to have John and 

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Nancy on that stage again and 
obviously get John on there 

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with, with Steve at some point. 
All being well. 

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Boxing gloves provided or. 
Yeah, we are really well. 

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Oh. 
That's for Tim, isn't it? 

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Sorry. 
Yeah. 

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Yeah. 
We've also. 

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We've also got lots of Super 
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but they are able to take part 
in special demonstrations. 

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So there'll be a special 
demonstration of Super Tours and

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other famous touring cars 
during, during the event, 

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together with static displays. 
We, we have open paddocks at the

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event. 
There's no, there's no 

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restrictive access. 
So fans can get down to the GP 

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paddock, into the garages and 
get real really up close to the,

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to the Super Tours. 
You know, you can actually walk 

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into the garage, speak to the 
drivers, speak to the owners, 

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and some of them might even let 
you, you know, sit in the car. 

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It's, it's, it's just a real 
special occasion to, to do those

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sorts of things. 
We have a free pit walk on the 

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Sunday morning. 
So again, that will start around

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about 9:00 AM. 
So spectators can queue up from 

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just about 8, about 8:30 in the 
morning, head down to the pits. 

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We'll be giving away posters. 
All of Stuart's drivers will be 

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there to, to, to, to sign 
autographs, including including 

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Nancy and, and Steve and, and 
the other special guests and 

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John that we have. 
Again, we'll be repeating the 

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the grid walk on on Sunday. 
So we'll be having all the Super

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tours on the grid and fans can 
flock onto the onto the grid 

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like we used to at brands and in
the in the good old days and 

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again, get close to drivers. 
And if John and Anthony are 

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willing, we're, we're looking to
do autograph sessions. 

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But I'm, I, I need to to ask 
your opinion on something. 

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John and Anthony. 
I had a conversation with a good

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friend of the show and I'm sure 
you'll know Andrew chairman last

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week and he reminded us that 
during the Super Touring era, 

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prior to each race, well prior 
to the racing, you did a a 

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driver parade in the road going 
versions of the cars you're 

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racing. 
John. 

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Did we do a special trick? 
Yeah, exactly. 

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As I said earlier, we, we have 
a, we have, you know, hundreds 

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of of pre 2000 cars that are 
going to be Rd. going cars that 

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are going to be on display. 
So we're currently going for the

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applications there to see if we 
can find for John, either a 

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Cavalier or a Vectra, and for 
Anthony, a Primera. 

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And yeah, if you, if you 
wouldn't mind guys, yeah, we'd 

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love to get you on one of those 
cars and and sign autographs for

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the fans just to relive those 
special moments from the 90s. 

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Those cars would have to have 
sunroofs so we can sit sit on 

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top. 
We, we found a few models ready 

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and there we've had a few 
disappointed owners. 

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Once we've said you do have a 
sunroof, don't you? 

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I said, no, we don't. 
It's a high case. 

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Sorry. 
It's heartbreaking. 

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Oh, I I can do it with us. 
I can do it without a sunroof. 

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John, you used to balance on the
window, didn't you? 

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Yeah, I can do that without a 
sunroof. 

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No problem. 
Yeah, I'm sure we will. 

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Find a way. 
Yeah, We'd be delighted to help 

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on that, Absolutely. 
That that that would that would 

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be cool. 
That's, that's great. 

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And we've got many, many more 
things on that. 

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We've got the the Tucker Gaming 
tents again. 

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That was really, that was really
popular last year, yeah. 

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And we'll be we'll be playing 
out the top of theme tunes prior

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to each Suit Tour race and 
afterwards. 

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Again, that went down so well 
last year, the amount. 

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Of people that they walked in, 
it's the token music, it's the 

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token. 
Music exactly. 

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I think it it, it almost got to 
the Top 40 there. 

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There'll be there'll be a lot 
more to announce the closer we 

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get to the event. 
But yeah, it's there's going to 

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be so much going on and no, we, 
we can't wait to welcome John 

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00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:15,440
and Nancy. 
It's going to be it's going to 

446
00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:16,120
be fantastic. 
You. 

447
00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:19,520
Know tremendous. 
Stuart, you'll be bringing out 

448
00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:22,040
your 1994 Vauxhall Cavalier 
again. 

449
00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:25,840
It was a slightly tricky weekend
for you last year. 

450
00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:28,480
Are you hoping for better? 
Better luck this time around. 

451
00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:31,400
Do you mean being a complete 
idiot and throwing it off into 

452
00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:32,600
the Kitty litter a clear way? 
Don't. 

453
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:35,760
Worry still we'll get. 
That bit out mate. 

454
00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:36,920
We'll let it that bit out, don't
worry. 

455
00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:41,640
Far too excited. 
Chasing after more modern 

456
00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:44,280
touring cars and flying off 
backwards was, yeah, tricky. 

457
00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:46,840
There we are. 
No, we're all right this time. 

458
00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:48,760
We're all right. 
So I've been at it a little bit 

459
00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:51,960
start. 
It's quite interesting to get 

460
00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:56,560
used to the column change that's
play the least because you 

461
00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:58,360
change gear. 
I'm so used to pulling the 

462
00:25:58,360 --> 00:26:00,320
shifter towards me. 
And of course, as John knows, 

463
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:02,920
you push it away and it's just 
messes your head up. 

464
00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:05,840
But anyway, yeah, we're all 
we're ready to go. 

465
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:09,360
The car's, the car's been 
rebuilt from top to bottom this 

466
00:26:09,360 --> 00:26:10,720
year. 
We I'd only just bought it last 

467
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:12,960
year. 
I've ended it for two weeks. 

468
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:15,800
So yeah, we're all right. 
I'm really looking forward to 

469
00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:17,960
it. 
You know, we're some of the cars

470
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:19,320
that have come in. 
You can see, you know, you'll 

471
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:21,520
see the entry list and stuff 
over the next few weeks and 

472
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:23,840
there's some beautiful old cars 
out there and running around. 

473
00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:25,600
It's it's going to be absolutely
awesome. 

474
00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:28,720
Anthony and John, as David said 
already, we're going to be 

475
00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:31,840
seeing the best of both sides of
Brands Hatch, with the weekend 

476
00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:35,600
taking part on the Grand Prix 
circuit on the Saturday and the 

477
00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:39,920
Indie circuit on the Sunday. 
Which of the layouts do you 2 

478
00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:42,600
prefer to race and drive on? 
Is there any favourites there 

479
00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:44,400
either of you have at the two? 
Yeah, I. 

480
00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:46,560
Love the the Grand Prix track 
there. 

481
00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:51,440
It's it's a very challenging 
track even with some of the 

482
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:55,040
changes that have been made over
the last handful of years, but 

483
00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:58,440
it's still one of my favorite 
tracks in in the country. 

484
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:03,960
The indie circuit, I just, I 
could never really get my head 

485
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:05,600
round it. 
I don't think I ever got a 

486
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:09,160
decent result there at all. 
I did visit the Kitty litter 

487
00:27:09,360 --> 00:27:12,840
nearly every corner on the track
at some point. 

488
00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:17,240
So, but the Grand Prix track for
me is, is just a, a fabulous, 

489
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:19,680
fabulous track, really brave 
circuit. 

490
00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:24,080
You know, a driver with big 
gahunas usually gets on quite 

491
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:25,880
well there. 
What's your favorite time? 

492
00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:31,600
Personally, I love both those 
tracks in the very early days. 

493
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:35,640
I mean, drivers now when they're
starting out their career, they 

494
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:39,600
would, they would never do this.
But I actually rented a garage 

495
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:43,360
and lived in that garage and 
kept my race car there, Garage 

496
00:27:43,360 --> 00:27:51,000
18 on Pit Rd. during the 1970s. 
And I've done so many laps 

497
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:53,680
around, particularly the club 
circuit, but I also love the 

498
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:58,640
Grand Prix circuit, both 
fantastic cracks. 

499
00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:02,720
And I mean the great thing about
the arena of the club circuit is

500
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:06,160
the spectator involvement all 
the way around. 

501
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:09,560
Absolutely rammed in Super 
Touring days. 

502
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:14,760
Still very popular to today with
the the the modern British 

503
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:19,160
Touring Car Championship, but 
nothing quite like what the 

504
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:24,520
atmosphere was, you know, like 
in in periods during the Super 

505
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:26,080
Touring year. 
Great memories. 

506
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:29,800
Talking of which, I mean, both 
of you have got yourselves into 

507
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:31,720
a bit of bother of brands over 
the years, haven't you? 

508
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:35,840
I mean, Anthony, you, you and 
Rickard had a bit of toe to toe 

509
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:38,640
in in Park Fermi in 1998, didn't
you? 

510
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:41,520
After after an on track 
collision. 

511
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:43,800
And that was really peak Super 
Touring, wasn't it? 

512
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:45,920
Yeah, I, I, I sort of called 
that weekend. 

513
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:50,680
It was the August bank holiday 
weekend, I think the 31st of 

514
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:56,400
August 1998. 
Super Touring was that popular 

515
00:28:56,400 --> 00:29:03,240
that the Top Gear decided to do 
a feature programme about, you 

516
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:05,400
know, the success of British 
touring cars. 

517
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:09,800
So they entered Tiffany Dell in 
a third works prime era. 

518
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:14,120
And I mean there was all sorts 
of vignettes that went on 

519
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:17,520
through the weekend. 
You know, the Ricard Rydell and 

520
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:22,720
myself, Dave Barkle, Tiffany 
Dell being, I don't know who's 

521
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:26,960
grabbed who, but Nigel Mansell 
and Tiff had a little bit of 

522
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:29,680
physicality in the paddock at 
the back of the pits. 

523
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:36,840
They've never been the best of 
the friends ever since Nigel had

524
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:41,000
nicked Tiffany Dell's former 
three drive. 

525
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:45,600
I mean Tiff was driving a Uni 
Park former three car and it was

526
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:49,200
a bit of a dog. 
Remember Tiff got so pissed off 

527
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:51,920
he he just handed the keys back 
to the car. 

528
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:57,960
The next guy ran, Nigel Mansell,
who was out of a drive, came 

529
00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:01,400
straight round to Tiff's car 
house to to get the company car,

530
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:05,400
which was ATR 7, literally just 
took the keys off him and drove 

531
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:07,640
off. 
But the next race of France 

532
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:11,560
Hatch was pissing with rain. 
It's a great equalizer and the 

533
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:13,080
UNI park. 
I think he finished on the 

534
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:14,120
podium. 
Mansell. 

535
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:20,040
So the rest is history, you 
know, So there was all these 

536
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:24,320
situations going on and the 
racing was incredibly 

537
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:29,200
competitive and. 
That August weekend at at 

538
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:33,840
Brands, that was my first ever 
visit to to Brands Hatch and it 

539
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:36,040
always obviously stays in my 
mind for that reason. 

540
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:39,760
But also because the day before,
the Sunday of that weekend was 

541
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:45,200
the infamous Spa Grand Prix, the
Damon Hill one, but also where 

542
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:48,800
Schumacher went to the back of 
Coulthard and he had Schumacher 

543
00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:51,960
going, rushing down to the 
garage to try and, you know, 

544
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:55,600
lamp Coulthard one. 
And then the next day in the 

545
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:59,080
park for May of Brands Hatch, we
have Rickard Rydell trying to do

546
00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:02,560
the same thing to Anthony Reed. 
I remember standing in the crowd

547
00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:04,800
and everyone was going, guys, 
it's like, it's like Spa 

548
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:10,480
yesterday and everyone was just 
loving the theatre and 

549
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:12,600
everything, you know, I mean 
involved. 

550
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:17,400
Yeah, the, the, the needle 
between Rickard and myself had 

551
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:21,360
sort of developed a number of 
years beforehand when we were 

552
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:25,240
both, you know, racing in Japan.
We didn't know then what we know

553
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:29,400
now, but I mean the the 
incredible welcome of drivers 

554
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:31,880
that were out there at the time,
you know, Michael Schumacher, 

555
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:34,520
Ralph Schumacher, Johnny 
Herbert, Jacques Phil and 

556
00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:37,360
there's Tom Christianson's. 
The list just goes on and on. 

557
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:41,200
Eddie Irvine, Roland 
Ratzenberger and and Rickard and

558
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:44,760
I were fighting tooth and nail 
for the Japanese Formal 3 

559
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:49,640
championship, which I went on to
win and Jack Phil have finished 

560
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:53,440
second. 
So the rivalry had developed 

561
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:59,160
many years before in Japan, and 
we all seem to find ourselves, 

562
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:01,400
you know, racing against each 
other. 

563
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:04,720
Yeah. 
And it got really intense that 

564
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:06,600
week in the brands. 
And. 

565
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:09,760
And of course, it was live on 
television. 

566
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:12,840
It was live. 
Steve Ryder was commentating. 

567
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:17,320
BBC Grandstand, Yeah. 
On BBC Grandstand was it? 

568
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:20,800
And of course there were far 
fewer television channels. 

569
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:23,440
There were far fewer television 
channels in those days. 

570
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:27,480
It's not like you have to really
look to, to, you know, through 

571
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:30,520
300 channels to find the British
Touring Car Championship. 

572
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:36,160
I was, I was spectating that at 
clearways for that race and the 

573
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:38,480
comments, because obviously 
we're from clearways, you can't 

574
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:40,960
really see Druids. 
And I remember, I think it was 

575
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:44,080
Ian Titchmarsh commentating and 
saying, oh, Anthony and Ricard, 

576
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:45,760
we can't see him, but 
something's going on behind the 

577
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:48,160
trees. 
And then when you emerged out of

578
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:52,880
Graham, who'll bend through 30s 
in the lead, I mean, that was 

579
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:59,360
some some cheer from the crowd 
seeing the the brick, the brick 

580
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:01,840
take the lead. 
And then everything after that 

581
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:04,360
was, yeah, it was just just 
incredible to see. 

582
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:06,760
And yeah, but what what a race 
that was. 

583
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:10,280
You were saying about the 
viewing figures on Grandstand 

584
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:15,600
and we had Barry Nutley on show 
a couple of months ago and who 

585
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:19,800
was commentating on touring cars
when Murray was doing live F1 

586
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:24,800
with ITV and he said a good 
touring car coverage would get 

587
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:27,880
nearly 4 million viewers. 
So that's how big it was. 

588
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:29,320
It was it. 
Was yeah, it was more than more 

589
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:30,920
Formula One we're getting on 
ITV, wasn't it? 

590
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:33,640
Yeah, yeah. 
There was quite a bit of needle 

591
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:38,840
during that period between Alan 
GAO and Bernie Eccleston. 

592
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:43,040
OK. 
No comments in the press and 

593
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:48,200
stuff, you know, rental car 
racing versus Formula One. 

594
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:54,280
But Alan, come back with some 
great comments about F1 and I 

595
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:59,600
don't need to recall that, John.
Yeah, Go go was if it wasn't for

596
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:01,720
Alan Gowie, whether you like him
or loathe him. 

597
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:04,680
And I love him and I've always 
got on well with him and he was 

598
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:10,040
the guy that got me in 1993 for 
the first time out to to drive 

599
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:12,639
and race at Bathurst along with 
Peter Brock. 

600
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:18,639
I get on really well with Gowie.
I used to phone him up every 

601
00:34:18,639 --> 00:34:21,880
Monday morning after an event 
and give him grief about 

602
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:24,719
something. 
And even when I retired I would 

603
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:27,920
still watch the races and still 
phone him up and give him grief 

604
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:32,400
about driving standards or or or
something. 

605
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:36,639
But without Alan being the 
autocratic ruler that he is. 

606
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:42,760
And if you, you could say a bit 
less so than Bernie, there would

607
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:45,159
be no touring camps. 
I mean, no matter how clever we 

608
00:34:45,159 --> 00:34:49,040
all thought we were and the 
manufacturers, it needed someone

609
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:53,040
with an iron fist like Go to 
say, if you don't like it, fuck 

610
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:54,480
off. 
That's it. 

611
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:57,160
Take your Alfa Romeos and go 
home. 

612
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:02,520
And frankly, Alfa Romeo did 
that. 

613
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:05,320
And then all of a sudden, when 
they realized that Go wasn't 

614
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:08,840
kidding, they came back and 
said, well, we'd like to put our

615
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:10,840
coffee machine back in the 
paddock again, please. 

616
00:35:12,720 --> 00:35:18,720
I mean, without Go controlling 
that, whether we like all of the

617
00:35:18,720 --> 00:35:21,960
regulations and the hybrid and 
the push to pass and all that 

618
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:26,240
sort of stuff. 
But certainly in my time go was 

619
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:32,080
he was a great operator. 
And again, he was Will and 

620
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:35,840
myself and he and a whole squad 
of others would go out for 

621
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:38,680
dinner and just have an absolute
hoot of a time. 

622
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:44,400
But you, you never got any 
favouritism from him, regardless

623
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:48,080
of whether I bought him dinner 
the night before and I would 

624
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:51,400
still be in the bus and got my 
knackers kicked in for something

625
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:52,760
I'd done wrong the following 
day. 

626
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:58,880
Yeah, he, he, he's a pretty, 
he's a pretty good and very 

627
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:01,440
shrewd operator. 
I remember when he when he was 

628
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:04,920
putting together the Toka game, 
I got a bunch of the drivers 

629
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:08,400
together and they said that what
we wanted was we wanted a share 

630
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:11,160
of the action if they're going 
to use our names. 

631
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:15,120
And I said fine, I won't use 
your name, I'll make it. 

632
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:18,400
I'll make it sound something 
like Cleland, but it won't be 

633
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:20,760
Cleland, but it'll still be in a
Vauxhall. 

634
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:23,320
But you're not getting anything.
End of story. 

635
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:30,440
And we actually tried to get 
legal with it and he won and he 

636
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:33,120
pocketed all the the rights and 
the royalties and everything 

637
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:34,360
from it. 
We got butter all. 

638
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:37,880
So that was quite annoying. 
We did get a free PlayStation 

639
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:38,760
though. 
I. 

640
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:41,000
Wouldn't I? 
Wouldn't even. 

641
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:43,960
I wouldn't even know how to work
a PlayStation. 

642
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:47,440
I'll have to. 
Get you in the Gaming 10 on the 

643
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:48,400
weekend. 
Yes. 

644
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:56,800
No, no. 
Going back to Ricard Rydell a 

645
00:36:56,800 --> 00:37:00,920
minute John, you and him had a 
few run insurance around Brands 

646
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:02,680
Hatch in 1995 yourself, didn't 
you? 

647
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:08,240
Yeah, it was myself and Ricard 
and Alan Menu and it was nipping

648
00:37:08,240 --> 00:37:12,480
top between all of us and, and 
literally at every event we went

649
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:17,480
to, it was the three of us. 
He was leading, I was second 

650
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:24,600
going into clearways on the club
track and he swears I hit him, 

651
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:31,760
but I just kissed him and I just
touched the back bumper when it 

652
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:35,000
was loose, when the back of the 
car was a little bit loose. 

653
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:39,400
And it's Anthony or any touring 
car driver will tell you the 

654
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:43,200
back wheels on these super 
tours, they're only there to 

655
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:44,760
hold the back bumper off the 
ground. 

656
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:49,160
They knew nothing, you know? 
And it was up on the back. 

657
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:54,280
And I just gently put the front 
bumper against him and they got 

658
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:58,480
past. 
And Tom Walkinshaw got really, 

659
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:02,280
really tweaked about it. 
And he had, he'd gone out and 

660
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:05,480
asked for photographers all 
around the track get pictures of

661
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:08,400
what had happened. 
He got blown UPS that were six 

662
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:13,080
foot by 6 foot pictures to see 
if I had touched him. 

663
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:18,480
There was no paint on my car. 
But it was a bit like in NASCAR.

664
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:22,400
It was just a wee draft that 
lifted him off the road. 

665
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:28,560
But there was no again, Rickard 
was a bit like Will Hoy. 

666
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:32,000
We were, the three of us used to
play golf quite a lot and again 

667
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:36,560
we would socialise. 
We got on brutally well so there

668
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:39,880
was no malice at all. 
It was just he'd win or I'd win 

669
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:43,840
or Alan would win and that's 
what that season was all about. 

670
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:46,920
It was the the best man at the 
end of the day that pulled the 

671
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:49,600
pulled the hat. 
John So from obviously, you 

672
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:53,160
know, Hoy and Rouse the 
collision on the on the GP 

673
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:57,000
circuit, that was on quite a a 
famous accident that occurred 

674
00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:58,560
over there. 
And it's just when I was even as

675
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:00,520
a fan, when you're not directly 
involved, you used to look at 

676
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:04,640
two cars in the same team and 
you just head in hands moment of

677
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:08,880
like, oh, no, you know, how do 
you explain that one? 

678
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:10,560
But obviously, you know, they're
in your mirrors. 

679
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:13,000
Yeah. 
Well we, we've been I think on 

680
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:16,520
on the lap before so that Andy 
had been in front and then it 

681
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:19,200
was Will, then it was me I think
and then it was at Will and then

682
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:22,920
Andy and then me. 
And as we went out onto the back

683
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:27,960
of the track, away from the club
track, up the hill and down 

684
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:35,920
towards Hawthorne's, I think 
will miss the gear and, and Andy

685
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:39,160
got past them and then I got 
past both of them on the run 

686
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:43,480
into Hawthorns, which is kind 
of, you don't do that normally, 

687
00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:46,240
but I just speared the truth. 
I've got that. 

688
00:39:46,240 --> 00:39:50,720
I'm now in front And none of 
them was going to give the other

689
00:39:50,720 --> 00:39:54,560
one an inch. 
And as team mates against the 

690
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:56,800
boss and the team, you would 
think there would have been some

691
00:39:56,800 --> 00:40:00,400
form of ruling. 
But the two of them locked horns

692
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:02,440
and they're literally just 
locked wheels. 

693
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:05,640
Going through the next the 
right-hander, I can't remember 

694
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:09,800
what it's called now. 
Sterlings, I think yeah, yeah, 

695
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:14,200
and and down the hill and they 
just walked onto each other and 

696
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:18,520
dragged each other off the track
and what I always pry myself a 

697
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:21,840
video to watch this the dash and
I could pick out Reds and 

698
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:24,680
different things on the dash at 
the same time watching the. 

699
00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:27,320
Mirrors I could. 
See exactly what was going on? 

700
00:40:27,720 --> 00:40:29,800
One minute they were there and 
the next minute they were gone. 

701
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:35,320
What happened there? 
And as I went into the dip and 

702
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:39,200
then up slightly, I could then 
see the two of them sliding down

703
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:42,520
the side of the barrier. 
And honestly, I nearly had to 

704
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:44,160
draw into the pitch to go to the
toilet. 

705
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:49,120
I was laughing that much, Andy. 
And you go back and you look at 

706
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:54,160
the the video from that day and 
Andy gets out of the car and 

707
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:58,000
he's, and he's a lovely, lovely 
guy and very calm. 

708
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:01,400
And he gets out the car and 
slams the door. 

709
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:04,520
And I think Murray Walker said 
something like, that's one 

710
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:07,000
unhappy Andy Rose. 
You know, the body of language, 

711
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:10,920
whatever. 
And I'm quite sure that would 

712
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:14,880
have been an interesting trip 
back to the paddock in the one 

713
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:19,280
vehicle. 
I bet, I bet he didn't slam the 

714
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:21,480
door as hard as you at 
Silverstone in 92, did he? 

715
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:25,680
It wasn't slamming the door. 
It was a problem trying to open 

716
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:27,560
the door of the BMW to get Steve
out. 

717
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:33,000
It was, Yeah. 
But no, I mean, that was that 

718
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:34,400
was absolutely hilarious. 
And it did. 

719
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:39,560
Basically, it just let me 
quietly saunter on and, and, and

720
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:42,040
lead the race at a pace which 
was hilarious. 

721
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:42,280
Yeah. 
Yeah. 

722
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:46,160
Will was a bit unfortunate that 
year with that car because every

723
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:49,480
so often, and he was convinced 
that Andy had a button in his 

724
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:54,240
car that would remotely control 
Will's engine management at 

725
00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:58,560
Hilton Park. 
It lost its power and then 

726
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:01,600
mysteriously it came back. 
And then I think Silverston had 

727
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:04,600
the same problem and Will was 
convinced that Andy had this 

728
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:06,360
remote control that could kill 
his car. 

729
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:10,760
Brilliant. 
But Bill Will. 

730
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:18,000
Here's a question for everyone 
now really Why do you think the 

731
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:21,480
Super Touring cars are still so 
fondly remembered to this day? 

732
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:25,200
And what about that era of race 
and made it so special that 

733
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:30,560
people come in their droves to 
Brands Hatch at the end of June 

734
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:32,080
to to watch these cars run 
again? 

735
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:36,160
I think unlike today's cars, 
which I think are great to 

736
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:42,040
watch, they don't actually look 
like a Ford or a, you know, a 

737
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:46,800
Vauxhall or whatever the cars of
the day, whether it be a Nissan,

738
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:52,000
a Vauxhall, a Volvo of Mondeo. 
To all intents and purposes, 

739
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:56,080
they looked a lot like the car 
that the man, his wife and his 

740
00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:58,080
two kids would drive to the 
event. 

741
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:02,680
The truth of the matter was that
the wiper blades were about all 

742
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:05,360
that you would. 
Hear between the two. 

743
00:43:07,240 --> 00:43:10,800
And even sometimes that wasn't 
the same, but I think that was 

744
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:15,560
the the draw that if you drove a
Vauxhall or you drove a Nissan 

745
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:19,240
and then you supported Cleland 
or Reed or Leslie or Allen menu 

746
00:43:19,240 --> 00:43:23,480
in a Renault Laguna, but with a 
little bit of wing, some fancy 

747
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:25,760
paintwork, a splitter on the 
front. 

748
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:29,120
That was it really from the 
distance. 

749
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:32,080
That's that was it. 
And I think the fact as well 

750
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:37,920
that we had multiple 
international names in the 

751
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:41,240
championship. 
And you know, if you look back 

752
00:43:41,240 --> 00:43:43,920
as X Formula One drivers, X 
world sports car drivers, 

753
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:47,240
there's lots and lots of 
international drivers that we 

754
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:50,720
that wanted to come and compete 
in the UK. 

755
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:55,120
So I think it was the that whole
international flavour and the, 

756
00:43:56,200 --> 00:44:00,080
the closeness to the car that 
people came to the track in. 

757
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:02,120
I think that's what it was 
about. 

758
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:06,280
I think that's the following. 
And the coverage that he had, I 

759
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:08,880
think was you guys were 
household names. 

760
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:13,120
Now you ask anyone now you'd 
struggle to name half a dozen 

761
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:15,160
touring car drivers. 
I couldn't because I've I don't 

762
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:17,080
watch it nowhere near as much as
what I did back then. 

763
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:20,920
But it was your household names.
But then yes, I understand the 

764
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:23,760
deliveries and the try to make 
it look as close to the family. 

765
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:26,160
You know, when on a Sunday by on
a Monday, that was the whole 

766
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:30,280
ethos of of their sort of plants
to obviously make money as a 

767
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:31,920
manufacturer. 
But I just think, you know, 

768
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:35,720
everybody knew from the Toca 
game to the coverage, everything

769
00:44:35,720 --> 00:44:37,240
your household names. 
You know, I think it was as 

770
00:44:37,240 --> 00:44:40,200
followed and as loved more than 
what Formula One was back then, 

771
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:42,600
which is far greater than what 
he's ever been. 

772
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:45,600
It's never been repeated since. 
It's interesting, you said 

773
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:48,000
earlier, John, about the Toca 
games and the names and that 

774
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:51,280
because Toca, I've said before 
on the podcast, Toca has 

775
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:53,960
introduced so many people I know
into touring cars. 

776
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:56,920
The game brought so many new 
fans into the championship. 

777
00:44:57,320 --> 00:45:01,600
And suddenly I'm in school, in 
comprehensive school and my 

778
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:03,680
friends are going. 
That's the John Clennan that you

779
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:05,160
can't stop going on about then, 
is it? 

780
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:09,680
You know, and that's the sort of
thing it brought you, Anthony, 

781
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:13,720
and all your, your colleagues at
the time, It brought you to a, a

782
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:17,600
different plane of, of public 
knowledge, you know, people 

783
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:19,920
knowing about you. 
It was, yeah. 

784
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:21,960
You, you were, you were 
superstars, you know? 

785
00:45:22,240 --> 00:45:24,080
It's a combination of lots of 
things. 

786
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:26,080
And again, Anthony probably 
agree with us, but you know, 

787
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:30,120
like in the latter stages we all
had the fancy Michelin tires, 

788
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:34,320
but in the early stages of Super
Touring we had Yokohama, Dunlop 

789
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:36,960
and Michelin. 
So you had 3 tyres that had a 

790
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:40,080
strength and a weakness at 
different points during a race 

791
00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:46,600
or qualifying or wet or dry or 
whatever and you had that was 

792
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:49,840
the combination. 
Then you had Money Walker's 

793
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:55,880
Dorset tones, which I think just
sealed the whole job as money 

794
00:45:55,880 --> 00:46:01,400
could make a boring race sound 
exciting beyond belief. 

795
00:46:01,720 --> 00:46:05,760
Whereas I would maybe watch the 
recording sometime the following

796
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:08,000
week. 
I think that wasn't the race I 

797
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:09,320
was in. 
The one I was in was pretty 

798
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:13,120
boring and he's just like, they 
made it sound fantastic, you 

799
00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:14,680
know? 
So it was, I think it was a 

800
00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:16,720
combination of all those things,
you know. 

801
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:20,680
Is that what made you want to 
buy a Super Touring car, Stuart?

802
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:23,640
Because I must admit, it's 
always been something I've 

803
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:26,520
wanted to do and very nearly did
a couple of years ago. 

804
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:30,640
But is that something that you, 
is that like I've always wanted 

805
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:33,800
to race one of those cars 
because when you watched it when

806
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:36,680
you were younger sort of thing? 
I've got the one of them one, 

807
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:39,160
some of them sort of cars, 
sometimes into life cars kind of

808
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:41,840
find you. 
It was one of them where I was 

809
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:47,360
chatting to Bob Jones about the 
Cavalier and he said, oh, 

810
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:49,880
because he's got the got Laguna 
as well. 

811
00:46:50,720 --> 00:46:52,720
I've got these Cavaliers. 
I don't use it anymore. 

812
00:46:52,720 --> 00:46:55,840
It's all Cavalier you got. 
And then of course, he had 

813
00:46:56,200 --> 00:46:59,920
Jeff's car under a cover sitting
in the back of the workshop in 

814
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:05,920
at the top of the M6 river. 
And I raced it a little bit with

815
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:09,400
the, the HSCC stuff. 
But you know, it sat there 

816
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:12,760
largely since I bought Laguna 
and yeah, you know, I had the 

817
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:17,240
the conversation with my wife 
and all the rest of. 

818
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:19,240
It signed the divorce papers and
went and bought it. 

819
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:22,400
Yeah, what a great idea it would
be to be play a touring car 

820
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:25,680
driver for the day. 
And yeah, you know, I love it. 

821
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:30,840
It's it's just so, so difficult 
to to learn to to learn how to 

822
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:33,520
drive quickly. 
I normally race the Capri Group 

823
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:37,760
1 and so I've gone from the 
Capri to to the Cavalier. 

824
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:39,720
Sure. 
Was that the master fit car? 

825
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:40,680
Yeah. 
Was it? 

826
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:43,920
Yeah, so. 
So that's what we've got. 

827
00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:49,360
But yeah, no, it goes, it goes 
Well, it's just, yeah, it's just

828
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:53,480
for me feeling the race last 
year was just unbelievable. 

829
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:55,600
I mean, I was last, right. 
There's no because I was sitting

830
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:56,960
at the back. 
I'd had the car a couple of 

831
00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:59,800
weeks poodling around. 
But in the following the safety 

832
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:02,920
car and there's all these cars 
like you guys that you know, I'm

833
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:07,360
45 so I played soccer and yeah, 
I went to brands in 96 and 

834
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:09,440
watched everybody race and we, 
you know, used to drive up there

835
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:13,320
and mild mark to escort and all 
that business, you know, to see 

836
00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:16,760
to be in that pack. 
I didn't care that I was last. 

837
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:18,760
It was just so I was like, this 
is unbelievable. 

838
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:20,240
You know, it was just like a 
chart to. 

839
00:48:20,240 --> 00:48:25,000
Be a part of it, yeah. 
It cost me a fortune and just 

840
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:29,280
the IT was just amazing and I 
can't wait to do it again in 

841
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:31,800
what four or five weeks time 
because it's he's just 

842
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:34,040
incredible. 
You see, he's good for the fans.

843
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:39,080
I've never been to a a race 
meeting where for us, you know, 

844
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:40,480
we are, we are a club that runs 
it. 

845
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:42,480
You know, we're not business as 
you all, you all know, we're a 

846
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:47,040
club that runs it for, for, for 
racing drivers for our own good.

847
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:49,520
And it was a meeting that was 
brought together by racing 

848
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:52,240
drivers for racing drivers. 
Everyone brought out the cars 

849
00:48:52,240 --> 00:48:53,960
they've got in their sheds, you 
know, and it's like, oh, 

850
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:55,520
actually, I've got this blah, 
blah, blah. 

851
00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:58,160
I've got I'd get a phone call 
and there was a guy that had 

852
00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:01,400
ADTM car and you'll see some of 
the stuff that's there this year

853
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:04,400
that's that's coming out that 
David will, I'll leave David to 

854
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:07,200
announce. 
And yeah, you just get a phone 

855
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:09,440
call on Wednesday afternoon. 
And this card has been lost for 

856
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:11,560
like 20 years and someone's got 
it in there. 

857
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:16,040
A guy is a guy that's got a one 
of the I think it's one of 

858
00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:19,000
Anthony's Mondeo's and it's it's
in a shed. 

859
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:23,040
It's in a shed in the just 
sitting there and he's like, oh,

860
00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:24,360
can I bring that? 
I was like, Oh yeah, of course 

861
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:28,360
you can, you know, just put it 
as a static display and just 

862
00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:30,840
cars that people bought because 
obviously after touring car 

863
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:33,120
after that, that era finished, a
lot of the stuff was sold off 

864
00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:35,120
and the shelves were sold off. 
There was a lot of cars or demo 

865
00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:37,360
cars as well that were in 
dealerships and stuff that kind 

866
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:38,520
of looked like them. 
So there's a lot of stuff 

867
00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:40,760
floating around and it was just 
good. 

868
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:42,800
Like everybody kind of just 
brought it together to brands 

869
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:46,680
actually, this kind of one 
meeting of everybody wanting to 

870
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:48,280
do the same thing and achieve 
the same thing. 

871
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:52,840
And this year, hopefully with 
the addition, so I'm going to 

872
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:55,160
roll on to your next question, 
but with the addition of with 

873
00:49:55,160 --> 00:50:00,480
the Group A race with all the 
RS5 hundreds and the BMWs will 

874
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:03,400
also, you know, just sort of 
cement that whole thing of when 

875
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:07,720
we were young and watching, 
watching grandstand and all the 

876
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:10,600
cars going around, you know. 
Adam, as you've said in the 

877
00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:13,640
past, you've driven one of those
Group A Sierras. 

878
00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:16,720
I'm guessing you're looking 
forward to seeing those beasts 

879
00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:18,400
racing again around Brands 
Hatch. 

880
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:21,040
Yeah, it's brilliant. 
Honestly, again, it was just 

881
00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:24,880
through, you know, I remember 
like the LA Bats RS5 hundreds, 

882
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:28,280
obviously Rouse and Tim and you 
know using them obviously 

883
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:31,560
whenever I speak to Tim or see 
him, but being team, I always 

884
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:34,840
managed to find a way of just 
start, you know, a conversation 

885
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:37,840
about the Ras 5 hundreds because
you watch the footage of them 

886
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:39,440
guys going around the Birmingham
Superbury. 

887
00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:42,040
It's like trying to get it 
around Monaco, you know, bumpy 

888
00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:46,080
as hell, no grip, shed loads of 
power and you look at it as a 

889
00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:49,200
fan, you just think they look 
absolutely awesome, like it's 

890
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:50,800
mental in every way you could 
imagine. 

891
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:53,600
So when I got the opportunity to
drive one a few years 

892
00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:57,640
background, Steltz Netterton was
then it was just it was just one

893
00:50:57,640 --> 00:51:01,680
of those cars where you just 
smile from ear to ear and it was

894
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:03,520
you sort of get out. 
It's like get off a roller 

895
00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:04,400
coaster. 
You know, you've got a roller 

896
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:05,560
coaster. 
You just think you come off and 

897
00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:09,000
you're just a little bit still a
bit stunned as to what the fact 

898
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:12,200
that I've experienced it and it 
was just one of those absolutely

899
00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:15,280
bucket list moments. 
But the thing had that much 

900
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:17,440
power. 
It's like one hand's permanently

901
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:18,720
on the steering wheel. 
And I say this all the time. 

902
00:51:18,720 --> 00:51:20,760
On one hand is just constantly 
going through gears. 

903
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:23,080
The car does not have enough 
gears. 

904
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:25,600
The amount of power, you know, 
they were just incredible and 

905
00:51:26,120 --> 00:51:28,840
great to watch. 
It's great to to have the 

906
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:32,560
pleasure to drive one of those 
round SNET as well. 

907
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:36,120
So yeah, if it's any of them, 
they're going to be there then 

908
00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:37,760
yeah, I'll be. 
I'll be all over them as well. 

909
00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:44,760
One special celebration at 
Brands this June will be the 

910
00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:48,800
40th anniversary of RML, who was
synonymous of the British 

911
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:52,120
Touring Car Championship, in 
particular the Super Touring 

912
00:51:52,120 --> 00:51:55,240
era. 
But RML celebrations at Super 

913
00:51:55,240 --> 00:51:58,840
Touring Power will centre around
a team transporter and a 

914
00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:01,760
selection of special items from 
the outfits past. 

915
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:06,040
This will include trophies, race
suits and display engines. 

916
00:52:07,120 --> 00:52:10,560
David RML celebrating their 
anniversary at Super Touring 

917
00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:13,160
Power. 
That feels like a great way and 

918
00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:15,800
a great moment to celebrate that
milestone. 

919
00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:19,760
Yes, it really does. 
We're absolutely privilege to 

920
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:25,160
to, to have RML choosing super 
touring power to as as part of 

921
00:52:25,160 --> 00:52:27,680
their, their 40th anniversary 
celebrations. 

922
00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:30,000
And you know we we can't. 
Wait to welcome both. 

923
00:52:30,520 --> 00:52:34,800
Ray and, and Michael Malik, 
who's the current RML Group CEO 

924
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:37,880
to the event. 
And then they'll also be taking 

925
00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:41,680
part on the sport stage to to 
talk about the history of RML 

926
00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:45,040
within, within the Super Touring
era and, and their their 

927
00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:47,880
incredible history within within
touring cars. 

928
00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:51,600
And it's obviously fantastic 
that we'll also have John, who, 

929
00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:54,720
you know, won won the 
championship with, with RML and 

930
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:58,760
also Anthony, who, who had a 
luscious career with with RML in

931
00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:03,600
in the prime era. 
And also Ray will actually be 

932
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:07,320
bringing a selection of his own 
race cars to to the event as 

933
00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:11,000
well. 
So that'll be really cool to see

934
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:14,200
what you know, his his old, his 
own race cars and. 

935
00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:17,920
We'll have we'll have a. 
Few a few modern touring car 

936
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:20,120
touring cars as well. 
The the Chevrolet Cruze the the 

937
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:25,160
world touring car championship 
winning winning Chevrolet Cruze 

938
00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:27,680
will be there as well. 
And we very much hope that that 

939
00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:30,920
will be hopefully going on track
at some point during the 

940
00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:36,960
weekend, which will all being 
well be driven by a a famous 

941
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:40,000
driver, which will be announced 
in in due course. 

942
00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:43,120
Brilliant. 
John, as David the leader today,

943
00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:46,880
you won the 1995 title in the 
Ray Malik Cavalier. 

944
00:53:47,240 --> 00:53:49,800
Can imagine those are some 
pretty fond memories working 

945
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:54,720
with them. 
Yeah, I mean, I, I run with Ray 

946
00:53:54,840 --> 00:54:02,480
in 94 and we've done a fair bit 
of testing to put better aero on

947
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:06,040
the 95 car. 
And the one thing Ray was pretty

948
00:54:06,040 --> 00:54:09,880
good at from his sports car days
was the aero. 

949
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:15,800
And I remember testing the car 
at brands and there was no the 

950
00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:19,120
dash wasn't working. 
And I was screaming down the 

951
00:54:19,120 --> 00:54:22,440
radio to my engineer, a guy 
called Phil Barker. 

952
00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:25,920
There's fever jumps, not got a 
blinking dash on it. 

953
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:30,760
It's whatever. 
And we were on sort of travel 

954
00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:34,280
tiles. 
So I did a three or four laps 

955
00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:36,680
and came in and said he didn't 
fix a dash. 

956
00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:40,440
I don't know what I'm doing. 
He said, well, you're about, 

957
00:54:40,720 --> 00:54:42,880
it's a quarters of a second 
faster than anybody else at the 

958
00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:45,480
minute. 
And we played with it for the 

959
00:54:45,480 --> 00:54:50,280
day and Ray was actually going 
to be my engineer. 

960
00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:54,440
And I discovered that I really 
couldn't work with Ray because 

961
00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:57,160
he's a lovely guy, very clever 
engineer. 

962
00:54:57,800 --> 00:55:00,680
But I needed somebody that I 
could bond with. 

963
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:04,840
And he gave me this guy, Phil 
Barker, and I got on brilliantly

964
00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:07,760
well with Phil. 
And I think if it weren't 

965
00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:12,760
fulfilled, we probably wouldn't 
have had the success we had 

966
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:15,920
because he just understood. 
Exactly. 

967
00:55:16,280 --> 00:55:20,360
I'm a driver, not an engineer. 
You know, David Leslie was a 

968
00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:24,320
driver and an engineer. 
Whereas I'm quite happy to admit

969
00:55:24,720 --> 00:55:29,160
I can drive cars consistently on
the bottom within a 10th of a 

970
00:55:29,160 --> 00:55:32,680
second alarm and come in and 
tell you what it's doing. 

971
00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:35,840
And then I'll leave that to the 
engineer who's paid to do that 

972
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:37,440
part of the job to make it 
better. 

973
00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:41,440
And Phil Barker had that 
technical ability. 

974
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:43,280
So I got on really well with 
him. 

975
00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:50,760
And I don't think Ray took me 
seriously because I was a bit of

976
00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:55,040
a joker in the pack and I I 
wasn't the most serious guy in 

977
00:55:55,040 --> 00:55:58,320
the paddock. 
I would fool around, I would 

978
00:55:58,600 --> 00:56:02,080
laugh and joke and I would take 
the piss out of people. 

979
00:56:02,080 --> 00:56:05,440
And I'm not sure Ray had ever 
worked with anybody like that 

980
00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:10,400
before. 
So I had to go to him at the end

981
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:14,440
of 94 and tell him that I was 
going to put a general manager 

982
00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:17,720
in my business. 
I was going to concentrate 100% 

983
00:56:18,600 --> 00:56:20,960
because I'd driven it and I knew
it was going to be good. 

984
00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:22,800
And I said we'll win this 
championship. 

985
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:27,440
I guarantee you we will win this
championship and we put the our 

986
00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:31,600
heart and soul into it. 
And his guys, he did a great job

987
00:56:31,600 --> 00:56:35,800
and and at the end of the year, 
I had no reason to doubt that 

988
00:56:36,520 --> 00:56:40,840
the vector that he was producing
from the early part of 95 

989
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:45,080
onwards for the for Opel 
directed throughout the rest of 

990
00:56:45,080 --> 00:56:48,520
the world. 
I've no doubt that that was 

991
00:56:48,520 --> 00:56:50,120
going to be a superb car as 
well. 

992
00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:54,480
But as it turned out, it wasn't.
And I don't think it was 

993
00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:58,360
altogether Ray's fault. 
It was just the the sheer design

994
00:56:58,360 --> 00:57:01,200
of the car and what it didn't 
have that would have made it a 

995
00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:05,240
really good race car. 
But I have a massive respect for

996
00:57:05,240 --> 00:57:08,840
Ray and what he did then and 
what he's done since then with 

997
00:57:08,840 --> 00:57:12,760
the the Chevrolets and the 
Nissans and everything really 

998
00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:15,240
that that they've turned their 
hand to at RML. 

999
00:57:16,760 --> 00:57:20,520
He had a really, really good 
team of people there and he knew

1000
00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:23,520
the right people to employ to do
the job. 

1001
00:57:23,520 --> 00:57:26,840
So we got it done, but I'm sure 
he thought I was a bit of a 

1002
00:57:26,840 --> 00:57:30,920
joker in the pack. 
But as soon as I pull my crash 

1003
00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:33,840
helmet on, all the the stupidity
goes out the window. 

1004
00:57:33,840 --> 00:57:36,640
And let me tell you, there's 
nobody more fierce. 

1005
00:57:37,080 --> 00:57:41,080
Anthony, you also race for RML 
in your two seasons with Nissan,

1006
00:57:41,680 --> 00:57:44,960
as well as racing an RML 
Cavalier in Japan. 

1007
00:57:45,320 --> 00:57:48,040
How was your memories of those 
days with RML? 

1008
00:57:48,600 --> 00:57:53,560
It was one of really my favorite
periods in motor racing to race 

1009
00:57:53,560 --> 00:57:59,160
in Japan and, and Ray would come
out out to the races and, and 

1010
00:57:59,920 --> 00:58:03,160
you know, supervise the the 
engineering of the car. 

1011
00:58:04,320 --> 00:58:07,040
That was great. 
We were very successful in Japan

1012
00:58:07,040 --> 00:58:11,400
with the the Cavalier. 
We won seven or eight races in 

1013
00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:13,960
the Japanese Super Touring 
championship over a two year 

1014
00:58:13,960 --> 00:58:16,480
period. 
And then to come back to Britain

1015
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:21,320
with Nissan, Well, actually it 
was initially Germany and 

1016
00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:26,240
developed the car with RML, but 
also very significantly with 

1017
00:58:26,240 --> 00:58:31,400
Nissan Motorsport Europe. 
We had some great guys there, 

1018
00:58:31,400 --> 00:58:35,680
Derek Gardner, who designed the 
Tyrell that Jackie Stewart won 

1019
00:58:35,680 --> 00:58:39,880
the World championship with all 
those years before. 

1020
00:58:40,200 --> 00:58:43,920
And he was brought into the team
of engineers at Nissan 

1021
00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:47,320
Motorsport Europe, along with 
Ricardo Davila, Richard 

1022
00:58:47,320 --> 00:58:52,480
Crawford, Bob Neville, and 
because Alec Poole was in charge

1023
00:58:52,680 --> 00:58:59,520
up to standard Kioki from Japan.
And the great thing about that 

1024
00:58:59,520 --> 00:59:03,200
period was that I was able to 
build my own DNA into the 

1025
00:59:03,200 --> 00:59:07,400
development of the car. 
I was there a year earlier than 

1026
00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:11,200
than David. 
I mean, that car so suited my 

1027
00:59:11,200 --> 00:59:15,160
driving style. 
It was really my favorite period

1028
00:59:15,160 --> 00:59:18,840
in motor racing because all the 
guys on the team, they knew what

1029
00:59:18,840 --> 00:59:20,640
I wanted. 
They delivered that. 

1030
00:59:20,840 --> 00:59:25,120
We've all worked together really
well and just missed out on the 

1031
00:59:25,120 --> 00:59:28,080
championship in 98. 
And when you get an offer from 

1032
00:59:28,080 --> 00:59:31,400
from the Blue Oval, that's 
difficult to turn down and 

1033
00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:34,000
you're all a long time retired 
in this business. 

1034
00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:37,800
So I I did jump ship, but a 
fabulous period. 

1035
00:59:38,160 --> 00:59:45,440
Really, really, really great. 
This is everyone now is is there

1036
00:59:45,440 --> 00:59:48,040
anything in particular that 
maybe we we haven't mentioned 

1037
00:59:48,040 --> 00:59:49,760
this evening that you're looking
forward to? 

1038
00:59:50,600 --> 00:59:55,160
Well, Dee, I I was just over. 
It was not wasn't last weekend. 

1039
00:59:55,160 --> 00:59:58,840
It was the weekend before I was 
invited down to Thraxton for one

1040
00:59:58,840 --> 01:00:02,320
of their track days. 
I think it was a Saturday and 

1041
01:00:02,720 --> 01:00:05,600
they said you can do the high 
speed lapse and the Ford Focus. 

1042
01:00:06,280 --> 01:00:09,600
Well, of course, Tiffany Dell 
was there. 

1043
01:00:10,080 --> 01:00:14,040
I don't, I don't know if, yeah, 
I and TIFF and I go back many, 

1044
01:00:14,040 --> 01:00:16,800
many years, but I don't know if 
you know Thruxton. 

1045
01:00:16,800 --> 01:00:21,280
TIFF does the TIFF taxi. 
It's a collaboration between 

1046
01:00:21,280 --> 01:00:26,880
BMW, Thruxton and TIFF and he 
charges a lot of money for five 

1047
01:00:26,880 --> 01:00:29,560
laps. 
But I could see through through 

1048
01:00:29,600 --> 01:00:33,040
the day he was getting a little 
bit more and more irascable. 

1049
01:00:33,520 --> 01:00:39,160
But basically I was absolutely 
run ragged all day by queues of 

1050
01:00:39,160 --> 01:00:42,760
people that were regaling me 
with stories about their 

1051
01:00:42,760 --> 01:00:44,960
memories of the Super Touring 
era. 

1052
01:00:45,640 --> 01:00:50,680
And Tiff, because to to given 
his due, he charges a lot more 

1053
01:00:50,680 --> 01:00:53,480
money than Thruxton were 
charging for me for some high 

1054
01:00:53,480 --> 01:00:56,680
speed lapse. 
We only had about 9 hunters 

1055
01:00:56,680 --> 01:01:01,840
through the day run ragged. 
There was a huge queue and they 

1056
01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:07,760
were all, you know, remembering 
that that's that's what we were 

1057
01:01:08,080 --> 01:01:10,280
kind of tapping into like a 
Brands Hatch. 

1058
01:01:10,280 --> 01:01:13,880
You will see that next month 
that hasn't gone away. 

1059
01:01:14,840 --> 01:01:19,440
Richard Wheeler who used to 
queue up for John's autographs, 

1060
01:01:19,960 --> 01:01:26,040
you know, Alan Mannieu myself in
period as a boy or as a young 

1061
01:01:26,320 --> 01:01:30,600
man has bought these 3 Nissan 
Primeras. 

1062
01:01:31,040 --> 01:01:35,040
So that period in motor racing 
is hugely significant because 

1063
01:01:35,720 --> 01:01:38,000
you know, you've got Richard 
Wheeler has given me this 

1064
01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:40,840
fabulous opportunity to be 
reunited with my old car. 

1065
01:01:41,360 --> 01:01:43,600
You've got, well, the Goodwood 
thing. 

1066
01:01:43,600 --> 01:01:47,680
I mean, I wouldn't be at 
Goodwood who have extended my 

1067
01:01:47,680 --> 01:01:52,200
career by 10 years and counting 
if I hadn't been a name then. 

1068
01:01:52,880 --> 01:01:56,680
And I've driven my Nissan 
Premier a number of times on the

1069
01:01:56,680 --> 01:02:01,440
hill. 
And so it's, it changed my life.

1070
01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:05,200
Driving Super Touring changed my
life and I'm still benefiting 

1071
01:02:05,200 --> 01:02:09,080
from that matter. 
Yeah, I mean, you say, you say 

1072
01:02:09,080 --> 01:02:13,120
about Richard Wheeler queuing up
for, you know, you're that your 

1073
01:02:13,120 --> 01:02:15,680
autograph, John's autograph, 
other people's autographs. 

1074
01:02:15,680 --> 01:02:18,840
I mean, it was the same for me, 
except I haven't bought 3 Nissan

1075
01:02:18,840 --> 01:02:21,840
Super Taurus. 
But for me, it's just as you 

1076
01:02:21,840 --> 01:02:25,880
say, it's that nostalgia that 
the, it's, it's just, it's a 

1077
01:02:25,880 --> 01:02:28,520
nostalgia hit that you cannot. 
Get. 

1078
01:02:29,360 --> 01:02:33,600
Anywhere else it's wonderful. 
You know, just walk in that grid

1079
01:02:33,600 --> 01:02:38,160
on brands last year with, you 
know, you look to the left and 

1080
01:02:38,160 --> 01:02:40,120
Paul Radish, which is there and 
you look to the right and 

1081
01:02:40,120 --> 01:02:43,200
Anthony's there and then it's 
it's. 

1082
01:02:43,480 --> 01:02:45,880
You know that you're obviously 
we know how boring Formula One 

1083
01:02:45,880 --> 01:02:47,360
is in terms of the sound of them
now. 

1084
01:02:47,480 --> 01:02:49,560
But you know when you used to 
like be miles away from a 

1085
01:02:49,560 --> 01:02:51,680
circuit or you was even walking 
into the circuit and you're 

1086
01:02:51,680 --> 01:02:55,880
there of screaming V10 or V12 
and you just it just got you 

1087
01:02:55,880 --> 01:02:58,040
going, didn't it? 
It just got the the levels 

1088
01:02:58,080 --> 01:03:00,560
flowing. 
And that's exactly what the 

1089
01:03:00,560 --> 01:03:02,160
Super tourists do. 
Like you hear them. 

1090
01:03:02,160 --> 01:03:04,800
You can identify the car, you 
know each one it is and it's 

1091
01:03:04,800 --> 01:03:07,200
just that nostalgia way. 
It just hits you. 

1092
01:03:07,680 --> 01:03:09,680
I went to to I phoned not 
killer. 

1093
01:03:09,680 --> 01:03:13,240
We were we were going to run an 
engine and and I wondered if 

1094
01:03:13,240 --> 01:03:15,520
they would let me have the track
because they've been long term 

1095
01:03:15,960 --> 01:03:18,880
personal sponsors of mine 
through all of my touring car 

1096
01:03:18,880 --> 01:03:20,880
career. 
You had to need your helmet 

1097
01:03:20,880 --> 01:03:21,440
didn't. 
You. 

1098
01:03:21,440 --> 01:03:23,320
Yeah. 
Any crash helmet you ever see me

1099
01:03:23,320 --> 01:03:25,840
wearing from the early 90s? 
Till I retired. 

1100
01:03:25,840 --> 01:03:28,680
It's got no killer racing 
circuit on it anyway. 

1101
01:03:28,920 --> 01:03:32,840
I phoned them up and I said I 
just want to come up and do a 

1102
01:03:32,840 --> 01:03:35,600
few dozen laps just to bed this 
engine in. 

1103
01:03:36,320 --> 01:03:38,160
And they said yeah, fine. 
We're we're quiet. 

1104
01:03:38,160 --> 01:03:40,400
We've got nothing on on 
Wednesday night, whatever it 

1105
01:03:40,400 --> 01:03:44,560
was. 
And I appeared up there. 

1106
01:03:44,560 --> 01:03:48,800
We offload the car, we go out, 
the place is deserted, 

1107
01:03:48,920 --> 01:03:53,120
absolutely deserted. 
And we do three or four laps, 

1108
01:03:53,120 --> 01:03:56,800
come back and check everything's
right and then go back and go 

1109
01:03:56,800 --> 01:04:01,000
absolutely on the limit with it.
And I've done 5 or 6 laps and 

1110
01:04:01,000 --> 01:04:06,040
I'm about to come back in again 
and the pit lane is absolutely 

1111
01:04:06,040 --> 01:04:10,080
mobbed with people who had heard
the sound of this engine. 

1112
01:04:10,960 --> 01:04:13,400
And they knew full well that it 
was a super tour. 

1113
01:04:13,400 --> 01:04:18,400
And they'd come out of all the 
the little offices and blocks 

1114
01:04:18,400 --> 01:04:21,560
and people that were passing and
not kill. 

1115
01:04:21,560 --> 01:04:23,800
And it knows there's nothing 
wrong about there. 

1116
01:04:24,240 --> 01:04:26,680
But it seems to be that people 
people were coming out of the 

1117
01:04:26,680 --> 01:04:28,480
hills just to listen to this 
thing. 

1118
01:04:30,000 --> 01:04:34,600
It was just incredible. 
And when you hear a grid of all 

1119
01:04:34,600 --> 01:04:39,160
of those compared to a grid of 
hybrid touring cars today, 

1120
01:04:39,160 --> 01:04:41,360
whilst they're very quick and 
they're very spectacular to 

1121
01:04:41,360 --> 01:04:44,240
watch, they don't quite have the
same, they don't make their 

1122
01:04:44,240 --> 01:04:46,400
hairs in the back of your neck 
stand up quite the same. 

1123
01:04:46,400 --> 01:04:47,880
No, no. 
And that's. 

1124
01:04:47,880 --> 01:04:51,200
Exactly what I'm talking about, 
exactly that, and that's what 

1125
01:04:51,200 --> 01:04:54,520
Super Touring power would do. 
It would just be amazing. 

1126
01:04:54,600 --> 01:04:59,720
So on the on the Saturday 
morning when that grid of Super 

1127
01:04:59,720 --> 01:05:03,080
Tours head out the pit lane, it 
goes green and they're heading 

1128
01:05:03,080 --> 01:05:06,680
out for that qualifying session,
It'll be incredible. 

1129
01:05:07,240 --> 01:05:10,560
Just remembering that from last 
year, the energy from the crowd 

1130
01:05:11,160 --> 01:05:13,800
up against the fence, seeing 
those cars go round, you know, 

1131
01:05:14,480 --> 01:05:17,000
it's just an amazing experience.
And it's going to be, you know, 

1132
01:05:17,000 --> 01:05:19,120
replicated even even better for 
this year. 

1133
01:05:19,840 --> 01:05:22,840
Obviously another highlight I'll
be getting John, John on the 

1134
01:05:22,840 --> 01:05:25,680
stage, Lord sports stage and and
Anthony as well. 

1135
01:05:25,920 --> 01:05:29,280
Hearing even more stories from 
from the era, which would be 

1136
01:05:29,360 --> 01:05:31,800
which would be incredible. 
Yeah, we've got plenty of them. 

1137
01:05:35,600 --> 01:05:37,880
And that's the thing now, like 
if you used to interview some of

1138
01:05:37,880 --> 01:05:40,600
the the current touring car 
drivers, they couldn't really 

1139
01:05:40,600 --> 01:05:42,880
tell you much like you guys 
could from back there because of

1140
01:05:42,880 --> 01:05:45,400
such thoughts. 
It's there was always something 

1141
01:05:45,400 --> 01:05:46,640
happening at some point, wasn't 
there? 

1142
01:05:47,200 --> 01:05:49,760
Look, I couldn't imagine running
a podcast based on current 

1143
01:05:49,760 --> 01:05:52,080
touring cars now, to be honest. 
There were things that I've been

1144
01:05:52,080 --> 01:05:59,400
asked so many times to write a 
book and I absolutely cannot 

1145
01:05:59,400 --> 01:06:02,960
write a book because I will go 
to jail. 

1146
01:06:07,280 --> 01:06:10,920
There are there are things I 
could tell you that we make your

1147
01:06:10,960 --> 01:06:16,880
hair color and and they're not 
just all about Victoria Lee 

1148
01:06:16,880 --> 01:06:21,280
either. 
Or Ian Flux. 

1149
01:06:22,000 --> 01:06:25,480
Well, yeah, yeah. 
Well, Fluxy, Yeah. 

1150
01:06:25,480 --> 01:06:28,760
What can we say about him? 
No, there's, there's lots of 

1151
01:06:28,760 --> 01:06:30,360
things that happened in those 
days. 

1152
01:06:30,400 --> 01:06:34,120
And I'm sure there's not, as you
say, Adam, not so many things 

1153
01:06:34,120 --> 01:06:37,240
now because the boys are squeaky
clean. 

1154
01:06:38,600 --> 01:06:42,240
The the the although they're not
working for a manufacturer where

1155
01:06:42,240 --> 01:06:47,040
in Anthony and I's day the cars 
win a race on the Sunday and we 

1156
01:06:47,040 --> 01:06:51,560
sell more cars on a Monday. 
And in my case, if I said 

1157
01:06:51,560 --> 01:06:54,640
something wrong on a Sunday, 
there'd be lawyers all over us 

1158
01:06:54,680 --> 01:06:58,880
on the Monday morning, you know?
Yeah, because I can't imagine I 

1159
01:06:58,880 --> 01:07:01,680
Sutton saying something that's 
going to get him into any 

1160
01:07:01,680 --> 01:07:05,160
trouble on the Monday morning. 
Yeah, no, I mean, I remember 

1161
01:07:05,160 --> 01:07:09,440
another eventful Brands Hatch 
meeting for you with Mr. Pierre 

1162
01:07:09,440 --> 01:07:11,600
Armani. 
Pierre Armani When I accused 

1163
01:07:11,600 --> 01:07:15,720
them, I accused them of being on
drugs and it ended up it ended 

1164
01:07:15,720 --> 01:07:19,400
up all over the The Red Talk 
newspapers the following day. 

1165
01:07:19,640 --> 01:07:22,680
Cleland accuses clerk of the 
course of being on drugs. 

1166
01:07:25,000 --> 01:07:27,920
I was, I was talking about that 
incident actually with Andrew 

1167
01:07:27,920 --> 01:07:32,040
Charman this week is he was 
mentioned earlier in the pod and

1168
01:07:32,760 --> 01:07:38,240
he the the the memory of you all
being stood on the grid being 

1169
01:07:38,240 --> 01:07:41,240
told off by Pierre. 
And he said all of you looked 

1170
01:07:41,400 --> 01:07:45,200
very, very solemn, apart from 
Jam Pierre of Simoni, who was 

1171
01:07:45,200 --> 01:07:47,240
giggling like a schoolboy 
getting told off. 

1172
01:07:47,800 --> 01:07:50,920
And I remember that. 
And it was just crazy, the 

1173
01:07:50,920 --> 01:07:53,200
thought of that now, like, you 
know, that you were all just 

1174
01:07:53,200 --> 01:07:56,480
giving, being given a bollocking
live on the that. 

1175
01:07:57,440 --> 01:08:01,000
That was live on the grid when 
you, you, you, you might not 

1176
01:08:01,000 --> 01:08:04,240
remember, but there was a big 
old grandstand opposite the old 

1177
01:08:04,240 --> 01:08:09,240
pets at Brands and it's huge 
covered thing and and it was 

1178
01:08:09,240 --> 01:08:13,400
absolutely rammed with people 
who were watching us publicly 

1179
01:08:13,840 --> 01:08:15,960
getting a flogging. 
I thought, the next thing you're

1180
01:08:15,960 --> 01:08:17,960
going to tell us to take our 
pants down and we're going to 

1181
01:08:17,960 --> 01:08:22,200
get whipped. 
It was honestly embarrassing. 

1182
01:08:22,200 --> 01:08:26,000
And that's what I won the race. 
And then in the in the in the 

1183
01:08:26,000 --> 01:08:29,160
press conference, I said, I just
want to say I think Pierre 

1184
01:08:29,160 --> 01:08:31,960
Armani must have been on drugs. 
The fact that he gave us such a 

1185
01:08:31,960 --> 01:08:34,200
doing, you know? 
So anyway, that got me in 

1186
01:08:34,200 --> 01:08:39,399
trouble. 
Alex, we are also going to be at

1187
01:08:39,399 --> 01:08:41,200
Super Touring Power over the 
weekend. 

1188
01:08:41,200 --> 01:08:44,399
What have you got lined up for 
the Stories from Super Touring 

1189
01:08:44,399 --> 01:08:47,000
team? 
Yes, so we're going to be at the

1190
01:08:47,000 --> 01:08:52,000
event too and we're hoping to 
produce two shows, two podcasts,

1191
01:08:52,040 --> 01:08:56,840
live, live recorded podcasts at 
the race, at the meeting. 

1192
01:08:57,920 --> 01:09:00,800
We've also got features and 
interviews lined up. 

1193
01:09:00,800 --> 01:09:03,359
We've already agreed to do a 
piece. 

1194
01:09:03,359 --> 01:09:05,600
I don't know if he's told you 
yet, Anthony, but Richard and I 

1195
01:09:05,600 --> 01:09:09,840
have have come up with a plan 
for a sit down with you, Richard

1196
01:09:09,840 --> 01:09:14,880
and Jake on the Friday, a sit 
down interview, talk about the 

1197
01:09:14,880 --> 01:09:16,720
Nissan and talk about Super 
Touring. 

1198
01:09:17,640 --> 01:09:20,520
I've not asked John yet, but 
seeing as I can do it live here 

1199
01:09:20,520 --> 01:09:23,120
now, he can't say no Kenny. 
So we're hopefully going to do a

1200
01:09:24,680 --> 01:09:28,439
few bits with John and 
basically, yeah, just cover the 

1201
01:09:28,439 --> 01:09:32,240
event as much as we can get 
stories, interviews, pieces 

1202
01:09:32,240 --> 01:09:34,720
about the cars, the history of 
the cars. 

1203
01:09:34,720 --> 01:09:37,240
I'm really interested in the 
history of the chassis and stuff

1204
01:09:37,240 --> 01:09:38,880
like that. 
So yeah, we're going to be 

1205
01:09:39,279 --> 01:09:41,479
producing lots of content. 
We're going to be joined by 

1206
01:09:42,439 --> 01:09:45,479
Eurosport commentator Greg 
Haynes for the weekend, so it'll

1207
01:09:45,479 --> 01:09:50,160
be the four of us there and 
making sure that we get as many 

1208
01:09:50,160 --> 01:09:52,319
stories as we can from the 
weekend out of it. 

1209
01:09:52,840 --> 01:09:56,040
So and mainly just so we can get
the obviously the the listeners 

1210
01:09:56,040 --> 01:09:59,280
that can't be there costing on 
everybody can go to A to a race 

1211
01:09:59,280 --> 01:10:00,880
weekend. 
So I think he's just trying to 

1212
01:10:00,880 --> 01:10:03,520
bring you a big take somebody 
home with us, really just to, 

1213
01:10:04,080 --> 01:10:06,440
to, to let them know what it's 
all about and to give them a bit

1214
01:10:06,440 --> 01:10:08,520
of an insight to it really. 
Because I think it'll it'll only

1215
01:10:08,640 --> 01:10:11,320
continue to grow if this can 
carry on again. 

1216
01:10:15,840 --> 01:10:18,640
So if you haven't got your 
tickets to the event yet and 

1217
01:10:18,640 --> 01:10:21,480
this has made you want to 
attend, get yourself over to 

1218
01:10:21,480 --> 01:10:26,640
www.ramshatch.co.uk and secure 
your tickets. 

1219
01:10:27,240 --> 01:10:31,480
Adult tickets are available from
26 lbs in advance with free 

1220
01:10:31,480 --> 01:10:35,200
entry for under thirteens. 
I'd like to thank our guests for

1221
01:10:35,200 --> 01:10:38,160
coming on the show today. 
Stuart and David, thank you 

1222
01:10:38,160 --> 01:10:41,640
again for coming on to the show 
this evening and also for 

1223
01:10:41,640 --> 01:10:45,240
organising such a wonder of. 
And I think I can say on behalf 

1224
01:10:45,240 --> 01:10:48,240
of everyone here at the podcast,
we're looking forward to it so 

1225
01:10:48,240 --> 01:10:52,640
much to be part of that again. 
And John Anthony, thank you very

1226
01:10:52,640 --> 01:10:55,200
much for joining us as well. 
And we will hope to see you both

1227
01:10:55,560 --> 01:10:57,200
at Brandon's Hatch at the end of
June. 

1228
01:10:57,920 --> 01:10:59,080
Brilliant. 
Thank you. 

1229
01:10:59,320 --> 01:11:04,000
Yeah, we look forward to it. 
And our thanks as ever go to you

1230
01:11:04,000 --> 01:11:06,480
guys for listening to the show. 
And if you enjoyed today's 

1231
01:11:06,480 --> 01:11:10,240
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1232
01:11:10,400 --> 01:11:13,720
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1233
01:11:13,720 --> 01:11:16,160
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1234
01:11:16,160 --> 01:11:19,360
questions to our panel for our 
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1235
01:11:19,680 --> 01:11:22,320
So if you have a question or 
thought about the Super Touring 

1236
01:11:22,320 --> 01:11:25,720
era of touring car racing, don't
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1237
01:11:25,720 --> 01:11:32,000
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1238
01:11:32,000 --> 01:11:35,600
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1239
01:11:35,840 --> 01:11:39,120
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1240
01:11:39,960 --> 01:11:42,200
In the meantime, we'll see you 
next week. 

1241
01:11:42,600 --> 01:11:43,040
Goodbye.