1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:17,280 Stories from Super Touring. It was one of the most 2 00:00:17,280 --> 00:00:21,480 anticipated debuts of the year as Andy Rams and Paul Radysich 3 00:00:21,520 --> 00:00:25,840 finally brought the brand new Ford Mondeo to the BTCC grid at 4 00:00:25,840 --> 00:00:31,640 Pembrey in South Wales in 1993. Welcome to the latest episode of 5 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:35,440 Stories From Super Touring. I'm Levi Riley and as ever to 6 00:00:35,440 --> 00:00:39,120 take a look back at this eventful race meeting as stories 7 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:42,480 from Super Touring regular Andrew Charman and the regular 8 00:00:42,480 --> 00:00:44,640 team of Adam Jones and Alan Clark. 9 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:47,200 Gentlemen, how are we all this evening? 10 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:48,360 Very good. Thank you. 11 00:00:48,720 --> 00:00:52,360 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Good to be back as always. 12 00:00:53,040 --> 00:00:57,560 Looking forward to. A race track that's very close 13 00:00:57,560 --> 00:01:02,240 to my home, so. And it's in my adopted country, 14 00:01:02,800 --> 00:01:04,920 absolutely. Yes, and a track that probably a 15 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:07,600 lot of lot of listeners probably may have never even heard of 16 00:01:07,600 --> 00:01:10,120 because there's there's not a lot of big races held there, is 17 00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:11,720 there? No, nothing much now. 18 00:01:11,720 --> 00:01:16,240 It's mainly a testing venue. I think the the, the rulings now 19 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:18,760 are so tight down there that they they get very little down 20 00:01:18,760 --> 00:01:20,920 there at all. Andrew, I think we'll start with 21 00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:23,560 you this week. What first comes to your mind 22 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:25,280 when you think back to this race meeting? 23 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:29,160 Actually something comes straight to mind and it's it's 24 00:01:29,160 --> 00:01:32,320 quite personal and it's got nothing to do with Ford Mondeos. 25 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:37,920 My wife, Rosemary, she was, and she still is, as much of A 26 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:42,800 motorsport petrol head as me. I'd actually officially met her 27 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:45,920 at Brands Hatch in 1987 when she was going through the racing 28 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:49,840 score with her lead instructor being one, Ben Edwards, our 29 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:54,040 first son James, who today he writes about touring cars among 30 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:55,800 other things. So he's continuing the family 31 00:01:55,960 --> 00:01:59,280 dynasty. He'd been born in April 1991 and 32 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:03,160 I'm pretty sure this meeting at Pembrey was the first when we 33 00:02:03,160 --> 00:02:06,000 considered him old enough to be left with his grandparents while 34 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:10,880 we had a weekend in Wales. This was my first season working 35 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:14,320 properly in the BTCC and I was still transitioning because I'd 36 00:02:14,320 --> 00:02:15,880 been a motorsport photographer up to them. 37 00:02:16,160 --> 00:02:19,760 So I was transitioning to writer, and in those days it 38 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:23,440 wasn't that hard to get trackside access alongside me 39 00:02:23,440 --> 00:02:26,720 for Rosemary. So we were at the end of the pit 40 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:29,960 lane and in a prime position to witness what I know we're going 41 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:33,800 to discuss further later, which was one of the greatest BTCC 42 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:36,960 starts of all time by smoking Joe Finkelhock. 43 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:40,120 It was like he had launch control, like like on the 44 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:43,640 Chinese electric super saloon that I drove only last week. 45 00:02:43,920 --> 00:02:47,800 He simply left from the 3rd row, drove past everybody and was in 46 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:50,680 front by the 1st corner. It was amazing. 47 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:55,000 Fantastic And and Adam coming to you next, what jumps into your 48 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:56,640 mind when you think about this race. 49 00:02:58,920 --> 00:03:01,720 Yeah looking looking back I think that the biggest one for 50 00:03:01,720 --> 00:03:05,160 me, we're probably seeing the privateer of the Curia cost car 51 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:08,440 of David Leslie on pole position alongside Cleland obviously in 52 00:03:08,440 --> 00:03:13,880 the works you know dominant team car driver combination. 53 00:03:13,880 --> 00:03:16,640 So I think seeing him on pole position was a good, was a good 54 00:03:16,640 --> 00:03:19,080 thing. And then you know watching some 55 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:21,960 of this footage back he's then you're listening to Andy Rouse 56 00:03:21,960 --> 00:03:26,120 moaning about everyone that sort of said hello to him on the way 57 00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:30,880 past in, in one way. And also again, just what what's 58 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:34,040 been, what's been said there with smoking Joe, having a rocky 59 00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:36,640 start and having a bit of an easy time if it really just 60 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:38,320 staying out of trouble because that's what was just one of 61 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:41,320 those races, wasn't it was just absolute carnage at times, yeah. 62 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:44,560 Yeah, absolutely. And and finally coming to you, 63 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:48,360 Al, what are your memories of this last race in your homeland 64 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:51,160 of Wales? Well, that's it. 65 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:55,400 The fact that it was a BTCC race in Wales, I mean there's only 66 00:03:55,400 --> 00:04:00,720 been two in the last well in my lifetime and and that was 92 and 67 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:07,000 93 at Pembury. My going going back to my my 68 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:10,600 original thoughts of when I think of this race, it's, it's, 69 00:04:10,760 --> 00:04:12,520 it's quite childish, I'm afraid, but it's. 70 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:15,720 Andy Ross calling Keith Odor Keith Odor. 71 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:19,600 Did he do that on purpose as a bit of a Dick? 72 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:21,880 Do you? Think I'm not sure he's just one 73 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:23,680 of surname he doesn't know how to pronounce. 74 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:27,080 It just stuck with me, always stuck with me. 75 00:04:27,080 --> 00:04:32,000 It's like Keith Odor. It's really childish, but he 76 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:36,200 always really stuck with me and just his hilarious looking back, 77 00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:38,360 his rant. You know, I want to go motor 78 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:40,120 racing, not stop car racing. Thank you. 79 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:43,600 Something that's always really stuck with me. 80 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:46,600 But then also just being really sad for for David Leslie because 81 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:50,360 he was, as we will go into I'm sure, absolutely dominant this 82 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:52,520 weekend and and came away with nothing. 83 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:56,640 But yeah, those are my first couple of memories. 84 00:04:56,680 --> 00:05:00,200 Anyway, that's 11, slightly more childish than the other. 85 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:05,000 As well as ever, we have asked our faithful listeners for what 86 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:08,040 they thought about this race meeting on our social media 87 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:11,360 channels and Andrew Collier says he remembers it. 88 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:16,200 For the first time. We heard that famous V6 sing and 89 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:20,320 and what a noise that would come to be in the championship there 90 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:24,080 on, well, Steve Pryor. He says he remembers the Mondeo 91 00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:28,120 debut not quite going to plan and Harvey setting light to his 92 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:30,920 breaks in the pits. He also mentioned that it's a 93 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:33,240 shame that Pembre dropped off the calendar because it's a 94 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:35,960 really great circuit and I'm sure we'll get more into a 95 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:39,920 discussion about Pembre as a circuit throughout the episode. 96 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:44,200 Pete Skinner, He remembers just seeing that Mondeo out for the 97 00:05:44,200 --> 00:05:48,080 first time and that, as we've already just touched on a couple 98 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:52,400 of times, Andy Rouse not exactly being the happiest of men after 99 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:54,280 that race with his with his Rams. 100 00:05:56,320 --> 00:06:00,000 Tim Davies remembers as, as Andrew's already mentioned, 101 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:03,560 Winkelhock sort of flying star off the line, and that was also 102 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:06,080 mentioned by Andy Gray and Mark Shaw. 103 00:06:07,280 --> 00:06:10,240 Greg Denton says that the heat was his main memory of that 104 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:14,120 race, saying that he he's never been sunburned in Wales before, 105 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:18,760 but that day normally win wind. Wind burnt on him. 106 00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:21,720 Yeah. Matt Walker. 107 00:06:21,720 --> 00:06:25,120 He says he remembers Tim Harvey's fire as well, and also 108 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:29,200 Harry Nuttall having a fine drive in the other Akiria Kos 109 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:33,520 Cavalier Ian Cannell. His main memory of the event is 110 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:38,200 Andy Rouse mispronouncing Kefau Dor's name same as Alex as ODA, 111 00:06:38,520 --> 00:06:42,680 in his legendary rant about how many drivers hit him off that 112 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:46,680 day. Ian Cannell and I are are 113 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:52,760 childish buddies, yes. And that rant from Andy Rouse is 114 00:06:52,760 --> 00:06:56,440 also remembered by Michael Hedstrom, Chris Morgan, Luke 115 00:06:56,440 --> 00:06:59,520 Roberts, Kevin Wolfenden and John Cawley. 116 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:07,480 The build up to this race meeting was dominated by the 117 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:11,400 long-awaited debut of the Ford Mondeo, which would be driven by 118 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:15,680 Andy Rouse and Paul Radysich. Ralph Sport had started building 119 00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:20,240 the Mondeos in December of 1992. With Rouse taking his time to 120 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:23,160 develop the cars fully before making their debut in the 121 00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:26,640 series, Ford had finally confirmed the persistent rumours 122 00:07:26,640 --> 00:07:30,800 in January 1993, confirming that they would be taking part in the 123 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:34,840 1993 championship with Andy Rouse preparing the cars for him 124 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:38,440 and Radisich. The car was then unveiled in 125 00:07:38,440 --> 00:07:41,080 February at Andy Rouse's workshop in Coventry. 126 00:07:41,840 --> 00:07:45,120 At the time of the unveiling it was a rear wheel drive car with 127 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:50,600 AV6 engine developed by Rouse. In March, the car would see the 128 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:53,120 track for the first time with the Mondeo running at 129 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:56,360 Snetterton, Bran Satch and the official TOCA test at 130 00:07:56,360 --> 00:07:59,360 Silverstone. At these tests, the car was 131 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:02,480 roughly 2 1/2 seconds a lap off the pace. 132 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:06,440 It was at this time that the decision was made to miss the 133 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:10,000 start of the season. An official spokesman for Ford 134 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:13,960 said that more time was needed and that we want it to be right. 135 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:18,640 Andrew, can you understand that decision by Ford to delay the 136 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:22,800 debut of the new car? I can, and if I remember this 137 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:27,680 correctly, because it was a long time ago and I'm old now, there 138 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:31,080 was quite a lot to it. Ford is one of the big names of 139 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:35,400 BTCC history was using the series like most manufacturers 140 00:08:35,400 --> 00:08:38,600 were at this time, to promote its own new road car because the 141 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:41,240 Mondeo was replacing the Sierra and it actually went on. 142 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:44,520 The road car actually went on sale in March 93. 143 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:48,280 Which was the same time as it was supposed to be debuting in 144 00:08:48,280 --> 00:08:52,360 the in in the BTCC. So clearly being way off the 145 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:54,720 pace early on wouldn't have helped the sales pitch very 146 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:57,720 much, but it was actually quite a complex situation. 147 00:08:58,360 --> 00:09:02,680 The engines, which were actually Mazda units extricated from the 148 00:09:02,680 --> 00:09:04,680 Ford Probe, that's what they were based on. 149 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:09,120 They were supposed to be done by Cosworth, but Cosworth was 150 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:11,880 basically was also too busy at the start of the season, so 151 00:09:11,880 --> 00:09:14,120 Rouse had to do his own programme at the start. 152 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:18,120 And plans for the road Mondeo included a four wheel drive 153 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:21,200 version and because there was a four wheel drive version, that 154 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:23,560 meant that Rouse could choose whether his car was front wheel 155 00:09:23,560 --> 00:09:26,320 drive or rear wheel drive. And being a traditional old 156 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:30,800 racer, he of course went for a rear wheel drive because the 157 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:33,640 engines were ready just ahead of Pembre and of course they were 158 00:09:33,640 --> 00:09:36,280 clearly quicker. But Ford has also been so 159 00:09:36,280 --> 00:09:39,800 overwhelmed by sales of the road front wheel drive Rd. car that 160 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:42,200 they couldn't make enough, and so they put the all-wheel drive 161 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:44,960 version back. And that technically rendered 162 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:49,040 Rousey's race machines illegal in rear wheel drive form, so he 163 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:51,520 had to very quickly produce front wheel drive versions, 164 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:55,600 which made his qualifying on the 2nd row at Pembrey all the more 165 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:58,680 impressive. In April, the Mondeo took part 166 00:09:58,680 --> 00:10:01,480 in the official TOCA test at Donnington Park before the 167 00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:03,600 European Grand Prix was to be held there. 168 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:08,280 This time the car was 5 seconds off the pace and the cars were 169 00:10:08,280 --> 00:10:10,360 again withdrawn from the race weekend. 170 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:12,760 Out. This must have been quite a 171 00:10:12,760 --> 00:10:15,400 frustrating time for Allison Ford by this point. 172 00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:20,400 Frustrating to a level, Yes. Sort of a bit like the kid at 173 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:23,040 Christmas, isn't it, when when you've got a new toy you want to 174 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:25,440 play with it and when you've got a new racing car you want to go 175 00:10:25,440 --> 00:10:28,080 out and race it. So I can understand that there 176 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:31,840 are certain parts of of Andy Rouse and and Ford that would be 177 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:35,360 frustrated at these setbacks and thinking come on, yeah, we just 178 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:37,440 want to start racing our car, but. 179 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:42,400 As the Ford spokesman said there earlier, they wanted to do it 180 00:10:42,400 --> 00:10:46,280 right. And so I guess these decisions 181 00:10:46,280 --> 00:10:50,400 to keep putting off the the debut of the car would mean that 182 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:53,640 they would be doing it right. Because if they didn't do it 183 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:56,400 right, as Andrew said, they'd be at the back of the grid and that 184 00:10:56,400 --> 00:10:59,080 really wouldn't impress people. You know, they're looking to 185 00:10:59,080 --> 00:11:02,240 sell this new car that that replaced the Sierra. 186 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:05,360 And nobody's going to buy and nobody's going to look at the 187 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:08,120 car at the back of the grid and think, oh, that's a car I fancy. 188 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:11,600 I fancy buying. So no, I I can. 189 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:16,240 Yes, it would be frustrating. But I can also see that they 190 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:18,760 would be looking long term and thinking, no, this is the right 191 00:11:18,760 --> 00:11:21,760 sensible call and and we just need to be patient. 192 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:25,120 So yeah. In May Rouse desert the car 193 00:11:25,120 --> 00:11:27,200 again. This time the car was in the 194 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:31,560 front wheel drive configuration. Ford then confirmed that two 195 00:11:31,560 --> 00:11:34,920 more Mondeos were due to be built, this time much lighter 196 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:38,240 and designed around the front wheel drive configuration. 197 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:43,040 Then finally before the meeting at Pembre, the new cars were 198 00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:46,840 tested and were competitive. They were front wheel drive and 199 00:11:46,840 --> 00:11:50,080 had Cosworth's face to engine installed rather than the Rouse 200 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:53,360 engines. Adam the quite a lot of 201 00:11:53,360 --> 00:11:56,920 different configurations to be tested and tried in in the lead 202 00:11:56,920 --> 00:11:59,360 up to racing for the first time in that model. 203 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:02,600 How would that have affected things for both the team and 204 00:12:02,720 --> 00:12:05,920 drivers? I think, yeah, I mean they did 205 00:12:05,920 --> 00:12:07,880 the right thing in terms of doing all the testing they 206 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:09,360 could. And most importantly, they're 207 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:11,680 going to the official test so that they're not going and doing 208 00:12:11,680 --> 00:12:15,520 a private test elsewhere on their own in Spain or wherever 209 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:18,600 to get maximum. They needed to do it against 210 00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:22,520 current established cars that are proven because that's the 211 00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:24,440 only way you're going to know if you're on the pace or not, as a 212 00:12:24,560 --> 00:12:27,160 as a brand new team, as a brand new car, that's what you needed 213 00:12:27,160 --> 00:12:29,320 to do. So luckily they had that 214 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:32,040 exposure to be able to do that and then pull the car out of 215 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:33,600 races as and when if they're needed to. 216 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:36,320 But they've obviously done enough development within that 217 00:12:36,840 --> 00:12:40,840 and testing and everything. All the information they would 218 00:12:40,840 --> 00:12:43,720 have gathered over these tests is knowing what they needed. 219 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:46,240 So the car was clearly overweight because it's now come 220 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:48,360 with a lighter car. They realized that front wheel 221 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:51,040 drive is the way forward. You've got well established 222 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:54,520 front wheel drive cars here that again already established. 223 00:12:54,880 --> 00:12:59,280 So yeah, they've done, they've done everything they're needed 224 00:12:59,280 --> 00:13:01,920 to do and that just took their time to do it. 225 00:13:01,920 --> 00:13:04,320 But they probably didn't have, they probably needed to have 226 00:13:04,320 --> 00:13:06,440 started this program a lot earlier than they did. 227 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:09,680 But then it all, suddenly it's just ran over to that, to the, 228 00:13:09,680 --> 00:13:13,640 you know, the year going into when the season beginning 229 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:15,680 really. But like everyone said, really 230 00:13:15,680 --> 00:13:19,800 they couldn't just go into this and just, you know, maybe 231 00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:22,640 qualify at the back and then a race or two goes by you, then 232 00:13:22,720 --> 00:13:24,880 hopefully midfield and then you can't do that. 233 00:13:24,880 --> 00:13:28,600 This is a manufacturer as big as Ford that he's there to sell 234 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:31,480 cars. This was win on a Sunday, sell 235 00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:33,520 on a Monday. That was the attitude with all 236 00:13:33,520 --> 00:13:36,600 of these manufacturers. So they had to get it right and 237 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:38,440 I think they went about it the right way. 238 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:42,840 If you look at those, the other big team that made the debut in 239 00:13:42,840 --> 00:13:45,920 93, manufacturer wise, it's Renault. 240 00:13:46,560 --> 00:13:51,280 And take away those two wet wins at Donnington with the with the 241 00:13:51,280 --> 00:13:56,320 Michelin tyres and Renault season was very poor and I guess 242 00:13:56,320 --> 00:13:59,600 Ford wouldn't want a similar season like that. 243 00:13:59,960 --> 00:14:01,200 Absolutely. They've got so many others to 244 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:03,320 learn from, haven't they? To not make those mistakes? 245 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:08,200 You know they they this car was let's not forget this car was 246 00:14:08,200 --> 00:14:12,800 replacing the the dominant Sierra Cosworth that was adored 247 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:17,240 by so many people and. They couldn't get it wrong that 248 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:19,880 they couldn't have this as a as a massive flop, would they? 249 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:22,360 Because that's all the publicity that I've got out of it was just 250 00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:25,840 a massive, you know, the costs of what they were doing, you 251 00:14:25,840 --> 00:14:27,800 know, coming into it and just been a massive flop. 252 00:14:27,800 --> 00:14:29,760 I mean that, you know, that'd have been a PR nightmare, 253 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:31,640 wouldn't it? I think Renault were really 254 00:14:31,640 --> 00:14:36,440 using 93 literally as a tow in the water exercise. 255 00:14:36,640 --> 00:14:39,280 They obviously always planned to go to the Laguna and the 256 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:42,400 nineteens were a stopgap. Yeah, So it was, I mean they'd 257 00:14:42,400 --> 00:14:45,560 they'd have been well aware that the 19 was being phased out so. 258 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:49,560 You know, there was no long term plan for the 19 to race long 259 00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:53,160 term in the BTCC. So yeah, it's, it's, I suppose 260 00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:54,320 it's a bit like the Volvo. Yeah. 261 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:57,720 You know, if you're going to learn an experiment, why not do 262 00:14:58,320 --> 00:15:00,960 do it with something with a little bit less pressure, you 263 00:15:00,960 --> 00:15:02,760 know? Well, I start on Volvo. 264 00:15:02,760 --> 00:15:04,440 We can go off in a whole different direction. 265 00:15:04,960 --> 00:15:07,840 Absolutely. People there still swear that 266 00:15:07,840 --> 00:15:11,520 the estate would have been there in 95 if the arrow hadn't come 267 00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:13,560 in. Yeah, no, yeah. 268 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:15,080 There's a few people who say that. 269 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:17,240 I'm not sure what to believe on that. 270 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:18,800 I. Don't think anyone is. 271 00:15:19,400 --> 00:15:22,040 There are so many. We don't know What to Believe is 272 00:15:22,040 --> 00:15:24,600 on touring cars. The competitive showing in the 273 00:15:24,600 --> 00:15:28,760 test convinced Ralston Ford that this was the right time to debut 274 00:15:28,760 --> 00:15:31,800 the car. Prior to the race, Andy Rouse 275 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:34,560 gave BBC Sport an interview for Grandstand. 276 00:15:35,040 --> 00:15:41,560 Let's listen to that now. It's taken quite a while to to 277 00:15:41,560 --> 00:15:43,800 design and develop the car into a competitive race car. 278 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:46,600 It's such a high standard that's that you need to meet now to be 279 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:48,440 competitive in the British Touring Car Championship. 280 00:15:48,440 --> 00:15:51,840 But it does take the time, you know to to develop a car to that 281 00:15:51,840 --> 00:15:54,920 level. And we started in December to to 282 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:58,960 build the Ford Mondeo and we've now developed a very competitive 283 00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:00,400 car that's sitting 4th on the grid. 284 00:16:00,760 --> 00:16:03,320 We had a car running by the first race, although it wasn't 285 00:16:03,320 --> 00:16:06,320 at that stage fully competitive. It's taking quite a while then 286 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:10,480 to develop the engine, the the Ford V6 engine to a competitive 287 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:14,800 level and we've also evaluated front and rear wheel drive and 288 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:16,440 the car today is a front wheel drive car. 289 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:19,400 And so that that's really brought us to where we are now. 290 00:16:19,400 --> 00:16:21,000 There's a lot of work going on behind the scenes. 291 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:23,800 The boys have all worked very, very hard and they're pleased to 292 00:16:23,800 --> 00:16:31,600 be here today as a race track. For months, fans have been 293 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:34,200 waiting patiently for the debut of the Mondeo. 294 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:38,000 Andrew, can you understand the level of height that surrounded 295 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:41,680 this car's debut? I absolutely can. 296 00:16:42,160 --> 00:16:45,480 A BTCC without Ford was not really right, was it? 297 00:16:46,640 --> 00:16:51,800 Back in the 1960s it had been F1 champion Jim Clark in the Lotus 298 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:54,960 Cortinas, and then there were also the massive Galaxies and 299 00:16:54,960 --> 00:16:59,400 the Mustangs, the yank tanks. Then of course in the 70s you 300 00:16:59,400 --> 00:17:03,560 had the Allaman escorts, which were evocative cars in their own 301 00:17:03,560 --> 00:17:05,480 right. And of course the final years 302 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:08,640 before the two litre formula, which as we know, became Super 303 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:10,480 Torian. They were dominated by the 304 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:13,119 awesome RS5 hundreds. I mean the Sierra. 305 00:17:13,119 --> 00:17:17,400 The Sierra RS500 was a car that anyone like me who actually saw 306 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:21,839 them in action has a heck of a lot of memories of. 307 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:28,359 But if you ignore Rob Gravic's track star sapphire of 91, and 308 00:17:28,359 --> 00:17:31,240 to be honest, that's something that's frankly very easy to do. 309 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:36,440 There'd been no proper Ford input since Super Touring began. 310 00:17:37,440 --> 00:17:41,360 The return was much awaited by a whole lot of fans, particularly 311 00:17:41,360 --> 00:17:46,520 as in an era of what detractors and the BTCC called Retma bill 312 00:17:46,520 --> 00:17:49,000 racing. The Mondeo was likely to be one 313 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:52,960 of the most familiar Rep mabiles on EU KS roads. 314 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:56,320 On Europe's roads, it was Ford's First World Car. 315 00:17:56,320 --> 00:17:58,760 It was supposed to be sold in the same way all over the globe. 316 00:17:59,320 --> 00:18:02,160 Building up to the meeting, David Leslie was quickest in the 317 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:06,080 pre race test session at Pembre. This was coming off the back of 318 00:18:06,080 --> 00:18:08,760 pole position at the previous round at Brands Hatch. 319 00:18:09,720 --> 00:18:13,080 David was fresh from racing at Le Mond in a Jaguar alongside 320 00:18:13,080 --> 00:18:17,040 Win Percy and Armand Harner, but was ready to get back to the 321 00:18:17,040 --> 00:18:21,840 BTCC action at Pembre. He said the BMWs will be the 322 00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:25,200 cast to beat at Pembrey because it because it is a tight track, 323 00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:28,960 There are two hairpins and the BMW traction will be key here. 324 00:18:29,480 --> 00:18:31,960 I think we will be chasing them all weekend again. 325 00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:37,920 Just like last year Alex, the BMWs taken the top four 326 00:18:37,920 --> 00:18:42,600 positions at Pembrey in 1992, so as David Wright to think that 327 00:18:42,600 --> 00:18:45,000 the BMWs would be the car to beat once again. 328 00:18:45,840 --> 00:18:50,080 Yes, it's a fair assumption. Part of me thinks that David's 329 00:18:50,080 --> 00:18:54,720 trying to to to play down his chances at Pembre, but he'd got 330 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:57,400 pole position at the previous race at Brands Hatch as well. 331 00:18:57,720 --> 00:19:03,040 So the the the Acuria Cos RML Cavalier was competitive. 332 00:19:03,040 --> 00:19:06,600 But looking at the characteristics of a track like 333 00:19:06,600 --> 00:19:13,200 Pembre again as as we as someone as one of us said earlier this. 334 00:19:13,680 --> 00:19:16,280 Possibly some people here listening who might never have 335 00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:20,680 seen Pembre or never even heard of it, but Pembre is a very, 336 00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:24,480 very tight little track. It's almost, it's like a car 337 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:28,800 track on steroids almost, you know it's it's it's very tight, 338 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:34,080 very twisty and they're very, very tight hairpins including 339 00:19:34,080 --> 00:19:37,840 the first corner and the traction of the rear wheel drive 340 00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:43,000 car there would be ideal. So yeah, the the characteristics 341 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:45,960 of the track do certainly suits the BMW. 342 00:19:46,360 --> 00:19:51,120 So it's not unfair to assume that that they would be at the 343 00:19:51,120 --> 00:19:54,200 sharp end. So yeah, it's a fair assumption 344 00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:58,080 from David, but I do also think there's a little bit of hiding 345 00:19:58,080 --> 00:20:02,880 his his full potential in the Cavalier because I tell you what 346 00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:06,240 by the by the time the mid season hit. 347 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:10,320 That Acuria cost Cavalier was was was fearsome. 348 00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:17,080 It was a it was a car to beat. For the second time in two 349 00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:20,360 races, pole position was taken by David Leslie. 350 00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:24,880 In the semiworks, Acuria cost Vauxhall only 110th, ahead of 351 00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:27,480 the factory Vauxhall Cavalier of John Cleland. 352 00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:31,120 Leslie was relatively unimpressed with his qualifying 353 00:20:31,120 --> 00:20:35,800 laps, telling Auto Sport my hot lap, it didn't feel too good at 354 00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:37,560 all. It was all over the road, but 355 00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:40,560 then quick laps didn't usually feel too good. 356 00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:44,680 Cleland too was relatively unimpressed with his laps, 357 00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:48,240 saying after the session mine was a really scrappy lap. 358 00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:52,000 In fact, they both were. They felt really lousy, too 359 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:55,640 loose at the back. Andrew We've heard from John 360 00:20:55,640 --> 00:20:58,800 Clotman before on stories from Super Touring, the factory 361 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:02,520 Vauxhall team which was run by Dave Cook Grayson Services. 362 00:21:02,840 --> 00:21:05,520 They were getting a little concerned about the RML cars of 363 00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:08,360 Akiria cost getting more competitive around this time. 364 00:21:09,120 --> 00:21:13,320 With their recent showings in the championship and this second 365 00:21:13,360 --> 00:21:16,240 pole position in a row, can you understand why that would be? 366 00:21:17,360 --> 00:21:20,320 Yeah, very much so. The evidence was clear on the 367 00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:22,120 track and not just the fact that. 368 00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:25,680 David Leslie, in the supposed privateer Cavalier, was lining 369 00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:28,080 up ahead of the works Cavalier of Cleland. 370 00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:32,400 This was to be the second meeting succession when David 371 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:37,240 should have won because he'd been tipped out of the lead by 372 00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:40,080 Winkelhorke at the at the previous meeting at Brown's 373 00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:43,840 Hatch. But it was also the reputation 374 00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:48,640 of RML team boss Ray Malik, who was racing under the Ecuria Cost 375 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:51,600 banner, and his reputation had been soaring for some time. 376 00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:54,720 He'd already made big impressions in world sports car 377 00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:58,640 racing, including such minor events as the More 24 Hours, for 378 00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:04,000 example, and and he'd come into the BTCC. 379 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:07,240 They'd started off with X Dave Cook Cavaliers the previous 380 00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:10,080 season, and then over the winter they'd built up their own 381 00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:12,240 completely from a clean sheet of paper. 382 00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:16,400 Which were rapidly coming to be regarded as better than the 383 00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:20,560 works cars, and Dave Cookstein was right to be worried as a few 384 00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:23,320 months later they'd be out of the contract as the contract 385 00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:28,120 went to RML. Incidentally, the Acuria Cost 386 00:22:28,120 --> 00:22:33,080 name went right back to the 1950s and it was revived in the 387 00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:35,880 80s by a Scotsman called Hugh McKay. 388 00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:41,200 Who I first encountered in Thunder salons in 1988, they 389 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:44,640 were running a Class B car which won the championship, and that's 390 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:48,240 a bitterly cold finale at Donnington in October that year. 391 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:52,480 They took the championship and they invited Rosemary and I into 392 00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:56,600 their transporter for oxtail soup laced with a tot of 393 00:22:56,600 --> 00:23:00,080 whiskey, which basically summed up the TV for us, and it 394 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:05,240 certainly warmed us up. Meanwhile, the dominant BMWs 395 00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:09,160 were down in 6th and 9th place, but the surprise of the session 396 00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:12,720 was Andy Rouse sticking his brand new Mondeo on the 2nd row 397 00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:15,360 of the grid in fourth place. Adam. 398 00:23:15,360 --> 00:23:18,200 That's quite the impressive debut for the Mondeo in the 399 00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:20,960 hands of Rouse there, isn't it? Yeah. 400 00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:23,800 Completely, I think you know, as we've already discussed in terms 401 00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:26,080 of the amount of testing that they've already done against the 402 00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:29,200 other, the other cars, I mean 5 seconds off the pace, 2 1/2 403 00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:32,360 seconds off the pace and then to finally sort of you know. 404 00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:37,520 Get stuck in a race weekend and and can qualify well and I think 405 00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:40,240 it's massive, massive relief of pressure for him. 406 00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:43,440 You know, running the cars as well as driving the cars and you 407 00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:48,000 know with the engine side of it at this point for him anyway. 408 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:50,080 But I just think, yeah, just massive relief of pressure. 409 00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:53,640 But then we also know that, you know, he's such a fast driver 410 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:56,920 and lapping on his own was one thing, but then come race day it 411 00:23:57,680 --> 00:23:59,720 turned out to be something very different for him. 412 00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:02,560 But. Yeah, I think just big, big 413 00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:04,640 relief of pressure considering what they've gone through and 414 00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:06,920 all the development they've had to do over the, you know, the 415 00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:10,520 months prior to this. Julian Bailey, meanwhile, was 416 00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:14,120 adamant he should have been on pole position in his Toyota 417 00:24:14,120 --> 00:24:17,440 Carina. He qualified 3rd on the grid but 418 00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:20,920 set his time in the afternoon session rather than the morning 419 00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:25,040 session where all the faster times were set after the 420 00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:26,920 qualifying session, he told the press. 421 00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:30,000 The general consensus is that the track was slower in the 422 00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:31,560 afternoon than it was in the morning. 423 00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:36,960 By about 3/10, someone should have really been on pole, Alex. 424 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:39,560 Is that a statement you can agree with there from Julian? 425 00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:47,720 I mean, lots of racing drivers will come up with reasons why 426 00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:49,800 they should have been on pole or they should have done this. 427 00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:51,400 They should have done that. Sorry, Adam. 428 00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:54,760 Yeah, James Kay. This like James James Kay. 429 00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:57,800 He could have won it. Yes, that's true. 430 00:24:57,800 --> 00:24:58,320 Yeah. Yeah. 431 00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:00,960 I think that was even more of a reach though than this one. 432 00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:06,280 We need some sort of like, like league here, don't we? 433 00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:08,840 In terms of, you know, how far away were they really? 434 00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:11,320 Yes, we. Do we are talking about Julian 435 00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:16,120 Bailey here as well? Yes. 436 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:19,240 The encounters I had with Julian Bailey were hysterical. 437 00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:23,320 When we did Fantasy Touring Car and Super Touring Magazine, he 438 00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:26,400 was the one driver that. Went through various ways, 439 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:30,360 ringing up to find out what what his price and seeding was. 440 00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:34,560 I think there was a story that he. 441 00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:35,440 Was it? He had a. 442 00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:38,640 Shower in Ronnie Bigsy's flat or something. 443 00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:42,560 At one time there were so many stories around Julian May, they 444 00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:44,640 really have not heard that one. Yeah. 445 00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:48,120 I'll have to look it up. We, we put it in Super Touring 446 00:25:48,120 --> 00:25:51,480 and I will have to look it up. Oh yeah, yeah, please. 447 00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:52,680 Yeah. I'll have a dig through my 448 00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:55,120 magazines for that one. Can you stick to the rising 449 00:25:55,120 --> 00:26:02,240 magazines, Alex? Yeah, but yeah, so, well, with 450 00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:04,120 all those stories. And yeah, absolutely, you should 451 00:26:04,120 --> 00:26:06,560 have been on pole position. There we go. 452 00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:11,080 You've been convinced. But no I mean it could have, 453 00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:13,920 would have should have. You know it's it was good 454 00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:16,440 qualifying and that Toyota was a Funny Car in 93. 455 00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:20,680 It it it it sort of performed well at certain circuits and 456 00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:23,000 then in other circuits it looked really awful. 457 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:27,200 It was a a strange car and and and him and will seem to go 458 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:30,000 quite well at Pembrey. So this is one of the tracks 459 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:34,480 that the Toyota liked. So qualifying 3rd, 3/10 off or 460 00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:39,480 3/10 slower than the the morning session, well who knows, but it 461 00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:40,680 was good. Qualifying for Julian 462 00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:43,480 regardless, but not sure about the pole position. 463 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:46,960 I don't think Leslie was was for catching to be honest. 464 00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:49,400 No, he was on it that weekend, that was for sure, yeah. 465 00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:52,960 The Dunlop runners were doing well in the Pembre heat, with 466 00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:56,680 Tiff Nadal and Harry Nuttall impressing by starting 7th and 467 00:26:56,680 --> 00:27:00,320 8th respectively. It's all the tires, Tiff joked 468 00:27:00,360 --> 00:27:03,000 after qualifying. But he felt that Nissan's new 469 00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:06,360 engines, fresh from Japan, also increased the competitiveness of 470 00:27:06,360 --> 00:27:09,680 the Premera. The angriest drivers after 471 00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:13,800 qualifying were Ian Cantwell and Alex Portland, who both failed 472 00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:18,080 to qualify as Pembrey's license was limited to a 26 car grid. 473 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:22,440 Cantwell was very frustrated after being only six hundredths 474 00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:26,320 off a second off qualifying for the race, producing a great lap. 475 00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:30,240 At the end of the afternoon. Portman was suffering with bump 476 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:33,560 steer issues, but they were not diagnosed until it was too late 477 00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:35,600 and Portman was out of the weekend. 478 00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:42,840 Before the start of the race there was considerable concern 479 00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:46,080 from the drivers about any potential incidents at the 480 00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:48,760 notorious hatchets, her pin at turn one. 481 00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:52,960 It was a scorching hot day in Wales which, whilst great for 482 00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:57,000 the huge Pembrey crowd, meant very high levels of tyre wear on 483 00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:59,200 Pembrey's abrasive track surface. 484 00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:02,920 Andrew, can you understand why there was a certain amount of 485 00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:05,760 concern about the first corner for the race down at Hatchet's 486 00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:08,600 Hairpin? Well, to describe Pembrey, you 487 00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:12,040 accelerate off the start for a few 100 yards and then you dive 488 00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:15,440 into a really sharp more than 90° right-hander. 489 00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:21,440 Something like the BTCC has Carnage written all over it and 490 00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:23,960 I was quite surprised they all actually got away with it. 491 00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:27,880 They were all lucky that the inevitable leaning didn't result 492 00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:30,400 in someone being fired off in the wrong direction. 493 00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:32,760 That corner is panel beater's dream. 494 00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:36,480 Yeah it's a it's a funny corner to funny style of corner to have 495 00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:39,200 as a as a first corner. It's extremely tight. 496 00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:42,080 Penguin is not the not the widest of tracks anyway. 497 00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:43,720 Yeah, but. Look at the other circuits that 498 00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:46,560 have got a cycle on a SPA. Yeah, right. 499 00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:48,280 True. Yeah, there's plenty of other 500 00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:50,680 circuits. You know, the Far East as well 501 00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:52,800 as the what's the one with? You got the first tight 502 00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:54,120 right-hander straight into a left. 503 00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:55,720 Where? Same circuit where Grosjean 504 00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:58,080 crashed? Yeah, well, Macau's locking on 505 00:28:58,120 --> 00:28:59,880 another level. But look at the circuit where 506 00:28:59,880 --> 00:29:01,680 Grosjean had his shunt. Oh, Shakira. 507 00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:03,440 Yeah, yeah, yeah. That goes straight into a tight 508 00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:04,840 right hand. There's no that's true it. 509 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:07,800 Is what it is, but you're still with the same for everybody. 510 00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:12,240 At the start, Winkle Hot got an absolute flyer and jumped from 511 00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:14,920 6th on the grid to lead into the hairpin. 512 00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:18,840 Watch look at Winkle Hockey, the white BMW past Rousson Hoy. 513 00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:23,120 He's past Calendar Bailey, he's level with Leslie and he's taken 514 00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:26,280 the lead from 6th on the grid into the first quarter. 515 00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:29,480 And that is sensational. David Leslie thought he had made 516 00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:32,720 a great start from pole position, telling Autosport I 517 00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:35,800 got a good start, in fact my best of the season. 518 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:38,080 Then at the hairpin I just couldn't believe it. 519 00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:40,920 This BMW just went straight past. 520 00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:45,240 Adam, can you recall anyone making a better start in this 521 00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:49,320 area of the BTCC or or maybe in the BTCC full stop? 522 00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:53,080 Yeah, I mean BMWs generally always had a had a reputation 523 00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:55,840 for making cracking starts and that's one thing that you know, 524 00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:59,120 I mean standing starts all the time. 525 00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:01,840 You know, even the era that I raced in the in the touring 526 00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:05,680 cars, you know you'd all if you had a BMW within two rows behind 527 00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:08,760 you. You knew by the 1st corner you'd 528 00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:10,240 be lucky if you're still in front of them. 529 00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:13,240 So you always knew you're going to lose a certain amount of 530 00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:16,240 spots prior to getting to the first corner anyway, just 531 00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:17,720 because the branches that they had. 532 00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:19,920 But then they had disadvantages in terms of, you know, 533 00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:24,080 understeer and cold, colder ties for the first few laps and not 534 00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:26,720 always as good in the wet. And so he it was a swings and 535 00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:29,960 roundabouts really. But I know obviously that era he 536 00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:32,800 probably was the best start you're ever likely to see. 537 00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:36,240 But then you know. When you but then look at look 538 00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:41,280 at Frank Baylor in a certain silver Audi A4 four wheel drive. 539 00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:43,800 I know it's 4 wheel drive, but in terms of starts, it was quite 540 00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:46,400 regular for him to make them type of starts, yes. 541 00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:49,520 Which again, again, was just unfair for everyone else because 542 00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:52,800 they had, you know, 2 less wheels doing the drive, did you 543 00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:55,040 know, gaining traction and then putting power through them. 544 00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:56,960 But yeah, it was a cracking start and I just think from 545 00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:59,560 Wincock's point of view, got the start you needed. 546 00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:05,240 Took full advantage of the BMWs. Positive characteristics and 547 00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:08,040 kept his nose clean and just allowed it all the carnies to 548 00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:12,480 ensue behind him. I don't know if it's the the 549 00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:17,640 angle of the camera that there was record in the race but when 550 00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:21,800 when I went to watch back this race when I knew that we were 551 00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:28,680 going to be looking into it, it looked like Winkelhor just came 552 00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:31,760 from just so far back. And as I say, I don't know if 553 00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:35,920 it's a trick of the camera where it just the the angle it was 554 00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:39,720 filmed that made that made the grid look sort of more spread 555 00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:41,280 out than it actually was. Yeah. 556 00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:44,920 But it just looked like he'd come back from a different post 557 00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:49,840 code to lead into that first corner and and as Andrew said 558 00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:53,040 it's not it's not the huge it's not the longest rundown to turn 559 00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:56,480 one there either. So, you know, it's maybe it was 560 00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:59,720 a trick of the of the lens, but it was an incredible start. 561 00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:04,280 Whilst the expected chaos didn't materialize at the first corner, 562 00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:06,720 it was still somewhat of a messy start. 563 00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:10,840 There was all sorts of contact. It was pretty messy and 564 00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:12,960 aggressive, Will Hoy said After the race. 565 00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:18,720 Finkel Hunt LED away from Leslie Cleland, Rouse, Bailey Hoy, 566 00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:24,280 Nadal Nussle and Sopa Rouse and Baby Clash coming out of the 567 00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:26,600 hairpin, with Rouse coming off best. 568 00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:30,520 Despite the frenzied start, everyone made it past the first 569 00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:33,720 lap. Al, is that just the typical 570 00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:38,840 first lap in the BTCC? Yeah, I mean, as Andrew said 571 00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:43,680 just now that Hatchet's hip in is a is a panel bashers dream. 572 00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:49,320 So it was relatively tame to be honest with you. 573 00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:52,720 It was it was was not as bad as I expected it to be. 574 00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:55,600 So yeah, it was a pretty typical BTCC start. 575 00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:58,280 It was a bit of leaning, it was a bit of shoving, bit of 576 00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:01,680 pushing, but no real major problems. 577 00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:05,800 Nobody was fired off, nobody was damaged beyond repair, nobody 578 00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:08,880 was had to retire from the race at the side, you know. 579 00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:13,840 Yeah, fairly typical BTCC start in 1993 to be honest. 580 00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:18,080 Despite Finkelhat's lead into the first corner, by halfway 581 00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:20,440 around the lap Leslie was already back ahead. 582 00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:23,800 Winklehog had a slide out of the right-hander leading into 583 00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:27,800 Brooklands, letting David get alongside before taking the lead 584 00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:29,960 on the exit. Winklehog leads. 585 00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:33,040 Leslie is second at attacking and the blue Vauxhall's going 586 00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:34,320 through. On the inside. 587 00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:38,400 David Leslie leads. By the end of the first lap, 588 00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:42,520 Leslie was already over a second ahead of the BMW of Inkelhog, 589 00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:46,440 whilst Rouse continued to impress by taking third from 590 00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:49,280 Cleland. There were more antics at the 591 00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:53,440 hairpin at the start of lap two when Kifo Door made contact with 592 00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:57,680 SOPA Andrew. The hairpin became the place for 593 00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:00,920 plenty of contact and disagreements during this race. 594 00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:04,840 I think we've kind of touched on it already with it being a panel 595 00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:07,600 beater's dream, but is that always going to be the case for 596 00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:10,560 such a layout? Yeah, absolutely. 597 00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:13,600 It's really the obvious passing place on the circuit. 598 00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:18,080 And once you dive into the corner, you're going so slowly 599 00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:21,520 at the apex and it's almost safer to hang in there and 600 00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:23,560 bounce off each other because you're probably going to get 601 00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:27,000 away with it. As I said, pound notes and panel 602 00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:31,000 beaters. At the end of lap two, Renault's 603 00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:34,840 Tim Harvey pulled into the pits to retire with his brakes on 604 00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:37,639 fire. He had made contact with team 605 00:34:37,639 --> 00:34:41,320 mate Alan Menu on track. Alan got very sideways at 606 00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:43,719 Spitfire, Harvey explained after the race. 607 00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:46,719 I backed off but still managed to hit him. 608 00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:50,679 That got him into a tank slapper, came back across me and 609 00:34:50,679 --> 00:34:54,600 we made contact again which sent us both onto the grass. 610 00:34:54,960 --> 00:35:00,200 Well, unfortunately I was following Alan and he got 611 00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:03,480 sideways and we both went off on the grass and I think it's 612 00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:06,600 taking a load of grass into the radiator and boiled the engine 613 00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:08,120 over. That's all but very 614 00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:11,280 disappointing. But it was all all, all push and 615 00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:12,480 shove on the first couple of laps. 616 00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:14,960 There was nowhere to go. Teammate Menu was less 617 00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:17,640 impressed. He continued on for a few more 618 00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:21,440 laps, but the cars handling just got worse and worse before he 619 00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:25,240 called it a day. Adam, that's a pretty bad day 620 00:35:25,240 --> 00:35:28,200 for Renault there. Was that just a case of bad luck 621 00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:29,840 for Harvey? A menu, do you think? 622 00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:31,880 Yeah, I think so. He. 623 00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:36,200 We've discussed previously that the the car wasn't as 624 00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:38,760 competitive as they wanted it to be generally. 625 00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:41,520 And I think he was just one of those weekends that you just 626 00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:43,360 wanted to forget. And I think just to make it 627 00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:45,160 worse, the fact that I made contact with each other. 628 00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:49,840 So, you know, crashing with your teammates, never, you know he's 629 00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:51,600 never going to get out. Ideal is it? 630 00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:55,280 It's not. It's not ideal, but it was 631 00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:58,000 obviously none of it was deliberate and it just it was 632 00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:00,160 just sort of, you know, just put their weekend to bed really 633 00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:03,640 wasn't it Was just, it just. Completely summed up the whole 634 00:36:03,720 --> 00:36:05,920 disastrous weekend. Tim had nowhere to go. 635 00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:09,560 I mean Alan had. Alan had lost the back end of it 636 00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:12,640 ever so slightly, of course, backed off to try and catch it 637 00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:16,680 and and Tim was there, It was, you know, it could have been any 638 00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:19,280 car but it just happened to be that it was his teammate and. 639 00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:20,960 That's it. There's just certain situations 640 00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:22,400 where you just cannot do anything. 641 00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:26,920 Yeah, just really unfortunate. Quite, quite funny actually. 642 00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:33,280 This Tim and Alan were talking at at Super Touring Power in in 643 00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:39,440 July this year and Tim said that he'd found he was he was digging 644 00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:42,000 through files or something or whatever, and he'd found a 645 00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:46,360 letter that had been sent to him from his. 646 00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:49,480 I don't know whether it was the team boss or from higher up in 647 00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:52,400 the higher ups at Renault. And it was about this incident 648 00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:57,160 and it was basically about how how disappointing it was that 649 00:36:57,160 --> 00:37:01,880 the two Renault cars made made contact with each other and 650 00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:05,640 effectively took each other out of the race and and under no 651 00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:09,800 circumstances should it happen again And and Tim and Alan 652 00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:13,880 weren't sure which incident it it linked to and apparently Alan 653 00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:18,120 had a letter sent to him as well exactly the same and and it it 654 00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:19,600 worked out there was this incident. 655 00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:24,920 So quite a funny memory to look back on that They both had stern 656 00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:26,960 letters sent to them, which is a different. 657 00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:28,280 It's a different world now, isn't it? 658 00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:29,280 Really. Yeah, you got a. 659 00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:32,840 Real warning from your employer. Yeah, you know, but yeah, it's 660 00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:36,680 quite a quite a funny memory from from those two at at Brands 661 00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:39,840 Hatch this year. Leslie continued to pull away at 662 00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:43,680 the front After four laps. He had a lead of over 2 seconds 663 00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:46,880 in the first few laps. I simply couldn't stay with 664 00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:49,080 Leslie, Finkelhock said after the race. 665 00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:53,560 Was it fair to say that the Akuria cost car had now become 666 00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:56,360 one of the quickest cars in the entire field? 667 00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:00,640 Yes. I mean the fact that Leslie was 668 00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:02,760 on pole position here. He was on pole position at the 669 00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:06,240 previous race at Brands Hatch and as Andrew said, was leading 670 00:38:06,240 --> 00:38:09,840 until he was tipped into a spin by by smoking Joe. 671 00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:15,120 Yeah the the the Akuria cost car was one of the quickest cars in 672 00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:18,640 the field and Leslie throughout the second-half of the city. 673 00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:24,600 When they got the car going, it really, really shone and it was 674 00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:26,640 it was a lot of bad luck actually that David. 675 00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:30,520 There were three or four races throughout the second-half of 93 676 00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:34,480 where David a bit like this one was in a position to win or had 677 00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:36,840 a chance to victory and something happened. 678 00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:39,880 Either something broke or he was hit off or there was always 679 00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:45,440 something but the car clearly had pace and and as as Andrew 680 00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:50,720 said not long ago it was no surprise that RML were then 681 00:38:50,720 --> 00:38:55,120 awarded the works contract for for 94 because they were really 682 00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:59,040 showing Vauxhall up and and you know outperforming the works 683 00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:03,840 cars with your own self built car which is what the the the 684 00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:06,200 RML cars were. There was no manufacturer 685 00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:09,440 involvement it it's a bit embarrassing for Vauxhall 686 00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:11,920 really. So yeah, it was definitely one 687 00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:15,720 of the cars at the front of the grid in the in the second-half 688 00:39:15,720 --> 00:39:18,200 of the season. Being settled down for a few 689 00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:22,720 laps until lap 10 when Cleland dived inside Rouse at Hatches 690 00:39:22,720 --> 00:39:26,200 hairpin with the Scotsman making contact with Rouse. 691 00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:29,480 This allowed Hoy to run alongside his former Toyota 692 00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:33,280 teammate and he too made contact with Rouse as he went past into 693 00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:36,720 fourth position. The Mondeo with Rouse started 694 00:39:36,720 --> 00:39:39,680 smoking as the contact had pushed the bodywork onto the 695 00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:43,400 tire. One lap later, Bailey, Nuttall 696 00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:47,680 and Sopa also got passed, the Mondeo clearly damaged from the 697 00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:51,880 earlier contract. Andrew That's a pretty rough 698 00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:53,760 couple of laps there for Rouse, wasn't it? 699 00:39:55,480 --> 00:40:02,440 Yes it it was in all the time that I worked in the BTCC. 700 00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:06,520 Every driver I've interviewed has always been hard done by, 701 00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:10,480 never too slow to tell us journos that everyone's out to 702 00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:13,840 get them and none of it is remotely likely to be their 703 00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:17,560 fault. Andy was as good a Moaner as any 704 00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:23,040 of them, but especially watching back this race for tonight, I 705 00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:25,360 really think he had a point. On this occasion. 706 00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:31,640 It was almost as if everyone wanted a slice of Mondeo, yeah. 707 00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:35,640 And you can't even say it was a case of the the seasons, you 708 00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:38,880 know, established racers wanting to put the newbies in their 709 00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:41,160 place. Because let's face it, and he 710 00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:44,560 had more BTCC races under his belt and most of the rest of the 711 00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:46,640 field put together. But also, I think it's one of 712 00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:48,840 them you can't. You know, if you're a bit too, 713 00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:51,560 it's hard to describe it, but it's similar in when like even 714 00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:54,120 going back to cars in days if you're not getting amongst it 715 00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:57,400 and you're not the one. You know, thrown at the inside 716 00:40:57,400 --> 00:40:59,560 when there's an opportunity. I'm not saying like T-bone 717 00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:01,640 somebody, but just having a go you can't. 718 00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:07,040 Like you've got to if you if you if you back off just 10%, you're 719 00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:10,400 going to get punished and you're going to get bullied off. 720 00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:13,800 It's it's like bullying someone off a football when you when you 721 00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:15,880 get there, if you're a little bit rougher than them or you're 722 00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:17,520 going in there with a bit of a shoulder barge and you're going 723 00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:19,960 to, you're going to win the ball back because they're just, 724 00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:21,920 they're just attacking the situation. 725 00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:24,800 They're attacking the game. And I think you can sometimes be 726 00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:27,280 a sitting duck if you're a little bit too calm about the 727 00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:29,720 situation where you just think it's going to be a nice this is, 728 00:41:29,720 --> 00:41:32,840 this is BTCC here. Andy was one of the fastest 729 00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:34,720 drivers you're ever going to see in the touring cars. 730 00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:39,320 The most wins, but that wasn't his style. 731 00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:41,640 Yeah, No, that's right. That completely wasn't his 732 00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:43,080 style. But sometimes you've just, 733 00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:47,280 you've got to, you've got to join him and he just, he just 734 00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:51,160 allowed himself to get bullied out of the way, really by pretty 735 00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:54,000 much everybody on the grid. Yeah, I was just about to say 736 00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:57,720 something similar in the sense that I was too young to see Andy 737 00:41:57,720 --> 00:42:01,400 Rouse race the RS5, hundreds, the Capris. 738 00:42:02,240 --> 00:42:06,000 But one thing that you can't say about the man is that he was 739 00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:07,960 quick. He was a very quick racer 740 00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:11,720 drummer and I'm wondering if towards the end of his career, 741 00:42:11,720 --> 00:42:17,960 so 9394 was the racing moving away from his style of racing. 742 00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:19,360 Completely. And I think we've said, yeah, 743 00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:22,360 this, yeah, Andy in a previous podcast, but yeah, like. 744 00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:26,800 On his own pole lap leading races on his own, fastest man on 745 00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:30,560 there. But going into this era it all 746 00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:32,920 became a little bit, you know, panel bashing. 747 00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:36,040 We were bashing it all. It was allowed, but not to the 748 00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:38,160 extremes. But you go back to the Irish 500 749 00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:41,440 days, that wasn't really, you know, it was rare that there was 750 00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:45,000 a lot of contact like that. So he's coming into a new era 751 00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:47,440 where you you've got to, you know, to beat them, you've got 752 00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:49,640 to join them. And you've got to. 753 00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:52,800 Change your way of doing it. It's someone, I can't remember 754 00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:57,200 who it was, but someone said to me before as well that Andy, as 755 00:42:57,200 --> 00:43:01,080 well as being the designer and the engineer, was the driver and 756 00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:05,080 it wasn't. It wasn't his style to see cars 757 00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:08,120 that he had designed and engineered get damaged by 758 00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:10,320 getting involved in that style of racing. 759 00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:13,400 So I can't remember who get who told me who told me that. 760 00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:17,600 But yeah, it it it definitely was moving away from from Andy's 761 00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:19,800 style. Towards the end of his career. 762 00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:23,320 He'd he'd have had a more personal, complete, personal 763 00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:25,120 input into what was going on. Like you've just said, you 764 00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:27,600 imagine being a big view on the other in another team. 765 00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:31,960 Or if you're Harvey or your menu or your Clenland and or even 766 00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:34,800 smoking Joe, you know, you have a few panel bashes you get stuck 767 00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:37,560 in, you know, get the job done, team are going to fix it Monday. 768 00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:40,400 It's absolutely fine, yeah. Andy's thinking of Monday. 769 00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:43,760 I've been. I've been the one that's having 770 00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:47,000 to sort of get it fixed. I've got to get that fixed on 771 00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:48,880 Monday, yeah, yeah. Yeah, so do you know what I 772 00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:49,960 mean? He's the one that's seen his 773 00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:52,920 cars in a completely different light as a racing driver, you 774 00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:55,120 going in there and just seeing the team do what they do. 775 00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:57,680 But he's he's on both sides of the fence here. 776 00:43:58,240 --> 00:44:01,840 On lap 14, disaster struck for David Leslie. 777 00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:05,560 As he crossed the start finish line, his voxel slowed down and 778 00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:09,680 he pulled off at the hairpin. A dejected Leslie was robbed of 779 00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:13,480 the chance of his first ever BTCC victory by a broken 780 00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:14,400 frostle. Cable up. 781 00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:19,200 Goes Leslie's board. 17 laps to go and he's got a good lead. 782 00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:23,240 That's it. That's the Aguria cost Vauxhall 783 00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:26,360 and up goes Leslie's hand. He's slowing down. 784 00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:30,120 The leader is in trouble and Leslie's touring off. 785 00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:34,040 He's slowing right down onto the grass. 786 00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:36,080 What? What bitter, bitter luck. 787 00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:37,560 That's the second race in succession. 788 00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:41,760 What have I got to do to win a BTCC race? 789 00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:45,080 Leslie asked after the race. The car was perfect. 790 00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:49,200 The tyres were great too. Adam, that's some pretty cruel 791 00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:54,440 luck for Leslie there, isn't it? Yeah, I mean, oh God, if that 792 00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:55,960 was going to happen, I'd rather be last. 793 00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:57,520 I'd rather be halfway down the field. 794 00:44:57,760 --> 00:45:01,280 I'd rather be somewhere other than where he was. 795 00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:03,920 Because he was, yeah, real bad luck. 796 00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:05,480 Really bad. Like I said, he'd been in pole 797 00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:07,920 position at Brands before. Got pole position there. 798 00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:09,840 Put one over the works. Vauxhalls. 799 00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:13,080 I think the win was his, personally. 800 00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:15,640 I think he was. He was dominant that weekend. 801 00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:18,480 Even the Smoking Joe said that he couldn't keep up with him. 802 00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:22,520 He'd got it nailed. He was in the right car, right 803 00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:26,440 team, right setup, everything was just working for him and and 804 00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:28,720 to have something so similar if the engine had blown itself to 805 00:45:28,720 --> 00:45:32,200 smithereens, you think OK well that is really bad luck but a 806 00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:34,760 throttle cable? Yeah, you know, it's something 807 00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:36,880 so small as well. Exactly. 808 00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:38,760 The mechanics would have been kicking themselves whatever the 809 00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:42,240 reason was for it breaking. And you know, it's just yeah, of 810 00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:44,760 all the things but to be so close, but. 811 00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:47,760 You know, he had a he had a great future ahead of him after 812 00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:51,240 that anyway, and he put himself in good stead and proved a 813 00:45:51,240 --> 00:45:54,480 point, I think doing what he'd done those, you know, put it on 814 00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:56,360 pole previously and and that weekend as well. 815 00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:58,720 So you know, he put himself firmly on the map. 816 00:45:59,240 --> 00:46:03,280 Rouse again was on the receiving end of contact as Kefi door 817 00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:05,320 dived inside the Ford at the hairpin. 818 00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:08,560 At the end of the lap, Rouse pulled into the pits. 819 00:46:08,720 --> 00:46:11,560 The amount of contact his Mondeira received had damaged 820 00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:15,320 the suspension of the car. He made it back out for a couple 821 00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:18,320 of laps before coming back into the pits to retire for good. 822 00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:22,680 Once out of the car, Rouse would then give a memorable interview 823 00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:25,960 to the BBC cameras. Let's have a listen to it now. 824 00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:31,200 Oh, basically. I got one into by John Cladden, 825 00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:37,320 Wilhoit Bailey ODA and one or two others you can mention. 826 00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:39,600 Oh man, it's just plenty pathetic. 827 00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:42,360 I want to go motor racing, not stop car racing. 828 00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:46,040 Thank you. How Andy Rouse was clearly very 829 00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:48,040 angry there after the race. It has to be. 830 00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:51,600 Yeah, it was, wasn't he? Was it justified, in your 831 00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:54,160 opinion? Yes, I think it was. 832 00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:59,800 In fairness, it's, you know, you think, think how Andy must have 833 00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:02,080 felt. He's spent the first half of 834 00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:07,160 this season testing, building these cars then, you know. 835 00:47:08,240 --> 00:47:10,560 Finding out, OK, we're not going to race here and we're going to 836 00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:13,000 give a bit more development time and then OK, we're not going to 837 00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:14,800 race here. And finally these cars were 838 00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:17,280 competitive. They had good engines in them. 839 00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:20,760 The the the chassis that he'd built were the lightweight 840 00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:25,040 Mondeo chassis, not the original ones that they he was, he was 841 00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:29,680 testing and then the whole field wants to beat him up basically, 842 00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:34,080 you know, and you could see every time. 843 00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:39,240 The first big hit was Cleland and I have to say, as much as 844 00:47:39,240 --> 00:47:44,040 I'm a big fan, as I said before of John Cleland, it was, I 845 00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:46,440 thought it was quite a poor move from Cleland because he gave a 846 00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:51,680 proper punt and and then that the car slewed sideways. 847 00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:54,080 And then Will Holly came and give him a little tickle across 848 00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:58,440 the across the wing mirror as well and you could see the car 849 00:47:58,520 --> 00:48:01,480 was the I don't think there's a straight panel on the right hand 850 00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:05,960 side of that Monday. It's And then then the course, 851 00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:11,400 the the the the bodywork started fouling the tire which would not 852 00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:15,040 help. And then who else came along. 853 00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:18,720 Then there's so many Bailey and then of course Keith Odor. 854 00:48:18,720 --> 00:48:26,080 Who Keith Odor gave him a gave him a little hit as well. 855 00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:30,240 And yeah, so it it, it seemed that the whole field had had it 856 00:48:30,240 --> 00:48:32,480 in for Andy and they thought, right he's coming back now, is 857 00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:35,200 he And. Let's let's get after him. 858 00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:37,640 But yeah I did. I did feel very sorry for him 859 00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:40,680 because that car, as as Adam said earlier, it was a brilliant 860 00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:45,040 performance to put it forth on the grid and and to end it by 861 00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:48,640 half the field hitting your car and the suspense suspension 862 00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:51,680 failing from that it's it must have been really, really 863 00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:55,680 disappointing especially you know he hadn't raced A touring 864 00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:58,720 car race for six months so. That's the thing I think, of all 865 00:48:58,720 --> 00:49:01,200 the meetings to go into. You're going to. 866 00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:05,520 He can come to Penn very tight into his state, like this is 867 00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:07,640 touring cars the way the others were driving. 868 00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:09,080 He's no different to any of the race. 869 00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:13,520 He's just gone into there. Yeah, almost like forgetting 870 00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:16,280 what it's like and forgetting the fact that you've got to dish 871 00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:18,200 it out. People are giving it to me. 872 00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:20,200 I've got to give it back, otherwise I am going to get 873 00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:22,920 bullied here and that's that's how I saw the race with him. 874 00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:25,400 I think the one of the interesting things about this 875 00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:28,720 whole race actually is the fact that while Rouse was making all 876 00:49:28,720 --> 00:49:33,880 these headlines of all sorts of different ways, the 2nd Mondeo 877 00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:37,040 Radisic basically did nothing at all. 878 00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:42,600 And within a very few short weeks it would be Radisich 879 00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:47,960 effectively leading the team and becoming, you know, a real fawn 880 00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:50,800 in the side of BMW and then at the end of the season taking the 881 00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:53,280 touring cold World Cup. That's true. 882 00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:56,120 Well, reversal. Yes, yeah, that's that's quite 883 00:49:56,120 --> 00:49:57,360 true. Never thought of that actually, 884 00:49:57,360 --> 00:50:00,840 that, yeah, towards the end of the season it was Radisich. 885 00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:01,840 It was dominating. The. 886 00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:05,120 The front of the grid. And you know he finished third 887 00:50:05,120 --> 00:50:07,480 in the standings at the end of the season after only after 888 00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:09,600 missing the first seven races. So exactly. 889 00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:11,840 That's an incredibly impressive performance. 890 00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:14,080 Yeah. Harry Nuttall was having his 891 00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:17,960 strongest showing yet in the BTCC where he was dicing with 892 00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:22,360 championship leader Steve Super. Super eventually got the better 893 00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:26,280 of him on lap 19, but Nuttall continued to hound the BMW 894 00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:28,960 driver. Andrew was this Nuttall 895 00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:31,480 strongest showing in his BTCC career? 896 00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:35,560 Yes it was. And he had a very short BTCC 897 00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:38,200 career. It was only the one season, I 898 00:50:38,200 --> 00:50:40,640 must admit. When I was preparing for tonight 899 00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:43,720 I thought to myself, whatever happened to Harry Nuttall? 900 00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:47,920 Because when you work in motorsport, we're very good at 901 00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:51,040 completely losing track of people the moment they drop out 902 00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:53,560 of the little spear that we operate in. 903 00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:56,880 So if you're in touring cars, driver comes in, you interview 904 00:50:56,880 --> 00:50:58,680 him for a year and you write about him for a year, he goes 905 00:50:58,680 --> 00:51:00,800 off and do something else, and then you completely forget about 906 00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:03,120 him, you know, on with the next one. 907 00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:08,800 So I'm afraid I had to resort to Google to find out that Sir 908 00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:13,160 Harry Nuttall, because he's now a Baronet, he inherited the 909 00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:18,680 family title in 2007, was last recorded as being on 910 00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:23,400 sponsorship, a Vice role for none other than the Mercedes 911 00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:28,040 Formula One team. Apparently he's done that role 912 00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:31,480 for several years for several other teams, including Braun GP 913 00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:34,120 in that tumultuous year. I don't know, if you watched the 914 00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:38,280 excellent documentary that's just launched on Sky with Keanu 915 00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:40,480 Reeves, that really is worth a watch. 916 00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:47,360 Very well done, yeah? So interviewing Harry in 1993, I 917 00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:52,480 remember he was quite colourful. He really was the image of the 918 00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:57,520 the young gentleman racer having fun at weekends, but apparently 919 00:51:58,080 --> 00:52:00,720 his sponsorship getting abilities were quite strong too. 920 00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:04,880 He was mainly responsible for the blue colour scheme with the 921 00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:09,080 big white cross on the top, and he was also responsible for 922 00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:12,160 securing sponsorship for the team from Penthouse magazine, 923 00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:16,440 which as I remember, brought with it some very interesting 924 00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:22,120 grid girls. Yes, because didn't he? 925 00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:25,640 I can't remember. I I read a a review of this 926 00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:26,720 race. I can't remember whether it was 927 00:52:26,720 --> 00:52:30,160 auto sport or elsewhere, but it was there was a quote from him 928 00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:34,120 and he's saying, yes, Mr. Make sure you write down Mr. 929 00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:36,560 Penthouse got sixth or something like that. 930 00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:40,480 So he seemed that was Harry. He seemed a very eccentric 931 00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:45,000 character. Yes, say the least, but I mean 932 00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:47,520 if you if you've really his Wikipedia profile, it's 933 00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:50,920 extremely colorful in a whole load of works, yes. 934 00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:54,400 There's there's stuff on there that I was quite, yeah. 935 00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:55,760 It's quite eye opening, isn't it? 936 00:52:55,760 --> 00:53:00,360 Yeah, I mean, obviously, you know, Wikipedia is always 937 00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:05,400 completely true, as we know. Talking of very good 938 00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:07,720 documentaries about Formula One teams. 939 00:53:08,240 --> 00:53:10,400 The obviously the Braun one you've mentioned is supposed to 940 00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:12,640 be very, very good. But I don't know if anyone has 941 00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:17,040 seen the the Andrea Moda documentary this. 942 00:53:17,160 --> 00:53:19,760 Yes. Oh no, it's. 943 00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:22,280 I shall have to send you a link. It's wonderful. 944 00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:26,840 It's brilliant. There's it's a three-part 45 945 00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:28,320 minutes. I think they are each part. 946 00:53:28,840 --> 00:53:32,160 Documentary of Andrea Moda in Formula One in 92. 947 00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:34,960 It's I remember Andrea Modi. It was a disaster from *. 948 00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:39,320 Yes, but it seems to they've even had Nigel Mansell on there 949 00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:42,440 talking about it. So it's quite it's it's quite a 950 00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:44,280 quite an eye opening documentary. 951 00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:48,480 We shouldn't, we shouldn't diversify from obviously the one 952 00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:51,440 true motorsport that he's touring cars for too long, but 953 00:53:51,720 --> 00:53:55,480 absolutely that's Formula One. The Williams documentary is, I 954 00:53:55,480 --> 00:53:59,720 think, one of the best, which really shows up a quite a 955 00:53:59,720 --> 00:54:02,400 dysfunctional family at the head of a web sport. 956 00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:04,960 Oh, OK. Oh, I'll have to, yeah. 957 00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:07,160 Well worth a watch. Might surprise you. 958 00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:14,200 Especially the son who seemed to be very bitter that the daughter 959 00:54:14,200 --> 00:54:16,720 got the race team and he got the Heritage operation. 960 00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:19,320 Yes, yeah. Yeah, I've heard that. 961 00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:21,120 Yeah. Yeah. 962 00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:27,840 Well worth a watch. SOPA and Nuttall were soon on 963 00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:31,800 Cleland's tail for 3rd and on lap 25 they made contact at 964 00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:36,520 Brooklands and SOPA was free with Nuttall following Adam. 965 00:54:36,600 --> 00:54:39,800 There seemed to be quite a lot of contact during this race 966 00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:44,000 meeting, maybe even for a BTCC event as well. 967 00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:47,920 I think it is. I mean for sure it was, I mean 968 00:54:47,960 --> 00:54:50,200 we always expected, you know, you always still do expect a bit 969 00:54:50,200 --> 00:54:52,840 of contact with with BTCC racing generally, but. 970 00:54:53,320 --> 00:54:54,800 That we've already touched on before. 971 00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:56,640 This was just like a big car track. 972 00:54:56,840 --> 00:54:58,680 You know, you've got a hairpin as the first corner, so 973 00:54:58,680 --> 00:55:01,640 everyone's going steaming into this sort of almost first gear 974 00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:06,160 hair, you know, 90, right? And then it's just a series of 975 00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:08,960 twisty bends. So it it was just, yeah, if you 976 00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:12,400 used to choose one race to go and watch as a fan, that would 977 00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:15,320 probably be the one because you just know by the nature of the 978 00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:17,960 circuit and the nature of the, you know, the the racing 979 00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:21,080 generally. It's just that combination. 980 00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:25,200 We know what's going to happen this weekend and it's a bit of a 981 00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:28,680 survival of the fittest really in terms of the cars and and and 982 00:55:28,680 --> 00:55:32,360 keeping keeping your nose clean. Just exactly what I think Leslie 983 00:55:32,360 --> 00:55:35,520 was going to do out in the lead. But Smoking Joe ended up doing 984 00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:38,440 that by just staying out for another start battling behind 985 00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:41,040 your usual scenario, and it's sort of one of your easiest wins 986 00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:44,480 you're ever going to have. He just, yeah, kept his nose 987 00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:46,480 clean and and stayed on the on the black stuff. 988 00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:50,040 On lap 29, Nussell had another go at super. 989 00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:53,360 He was right behind him out of Brooklyn's and on the back 990 00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:55,000 straight. He was gathering himself for 991 00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:58,720 another assault at Honda Curve. But the next thing we saw was 992 00:55:58,720 --> 00:56:02,480 that he was off the track. Oh, what happened there? 993 00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:04,840 For now. As as we've already said, he's 994 00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:10,080 having a very strong meeting and taking making the most out of 995 00:56:10,080 --> 00:56:12,360 the. The increased competitiveness of 996 00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:18,240 the the Akuria cost car and he was challenging SOPA for 3rd 997 00:56:18,240 --> 00:56:21,120 which was, and I mean this in the I don't mean this in a 998 00:56:21,120 --> 00:56:23,800 disrespectful way. It was uncharted territory for 999 00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:30,360 for Sir Harry and the next thing he knows the fire extinguisher 1000 00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:36,240 in his car goes off in the footwell and as he glances down 1001 00:56:36,240 --> 00:56:38,280 to have a look at it and see what's happened. 1002 00:56:39,120 --> 00:56:43,920 He just runs himself off track and runs and sadly dropped 1003 00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:47,240 himself from from 4th challenging for 3rd down to 6th. 1004 00:56:47,240 --> 00:56:53,640 So yeah, it was a real shame because this was, as Andrew 1005 00:56:53,640 --> 00:57:01,760 said, by far Harry's strongest meeting in in his short BTCC 1006 00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:04,720 career. So yeah, Mr. Penthouse, I'm 1007 00:57:05,120 --> 00:57:07,960 afraid. Yeah, dropped a few positions 1008 00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:09,160 because of his fire extinguisher. 1009 00:57:09,680 --> 00:57:12,800 I have been told by many erasing drier over the years that the 1010 00:57:12,800 --> 00:57:15,600 fire extinguishers suddenly going off in your car without 1011 00:57:15,600 --> 00:57:18,640 warning is not a very nice experience. 1012 00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:20,680 I can imagine. It's quite scary. 1013 00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:24,280 Yeah, I've got is that. Has it ever happened to you? 1014 00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:28,240 Yeah, I think had it GT racing circuit abroad. 1015 00:57:28,240 --> 00:57:29,680 I can't remember which one he was, but. 1016 00:57:30,080 --> 00:57:32,080 It's it's the shock as you're not expecting it. 1017 00:57:32,320 --> 00:57:33,400 You. Know these these. 1018 00:57:33,400 --> 00:57:35,400 Things are designed. You press the you know, you 1019 00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:37,920 press the button inside. If you you know the car is on 1020 00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:40,280 fire and you're having to bail out and buy Marshalls post 1021 00:57:40,280 --> 00:57:43,320 ideally, but you know that's what it's there for. 1022 00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:45,520 If the Marshalls then obviously have their access to press the 1023 00:57:45,520 --> 00:57:49,920 button just below the windscreen, it's but it's a 1024 00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:51,240 pretty mess. It makes as well. 1025 00:57:51,240 --> 00:57:53,080 I know it's a mechanic's nightmare. 1026 00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:55,520 It's designed to obviously do what it's there to do, but. 1027 00:57:56,320 --> 00:57:59,520 When it does go off, when you're not expecting it to go off, it 1028 00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:01,800 scares the living crap out of you because you're just thinking 1029 00:58:02,520 --> 00:58:03,840 like, is it smoke? Is it? 1030 00:58:03,840 --> 00:58:05,080 I'm on fire. Like what? 1031 00:58:05,080 --> 00:58:07,000 What's going on? And then until you realise, oh 1032 00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:10,880 actually like I'm getting soaking wet here, like someone's 1033 00:58:10,880 --> 00:58:13,120 just turned the shower on inside the the car, but it's the 1034 00:58:13,120 --> 00:58:14,480 visibility then, because then you struggle. 1035 00:58:14,560 --> 00:58:17,680 You either carry on, but if it if it's gone all over the 1036 00:58:17,680 --> 00:58:19,840 windscreen, everything, then then obviously you've got to 1037 00:58:19,840 --> 00:58:21,400 stop. But yeah, it just makes. 1038 00:58:22,360 --> 00:58:23,600 A mess like you wouldn't believe. 1039 00:58:23,600 --> 00:58:26,640 And the amount of mechanics or people that aren't mechanics 1040 00:58:26,640 --> 00:58:29,280 that have say for instance, you know, pushing the car to help 1041 00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:31,640 you get out on the transporter or pushing it away from, you 1042 00:58:31,640 --> 00:58:34,800 know, around the workshop that and you tell them don't go in, 1043 00:58:34,800 --> 00:58:36,280 don't go anywhere near that red button. 1044 00:58:37,560 --> 00:58:40,200 And the amount of times where people have accidentally pressed 1045 00:58:40,200 --> 00:58:43,280 it and then you're like, Oh no. Yeah. 1046 00:58:43,480 --> 00:58:47,040 Oh, no. But yeah, it's it's awful. 1047 00:58:47,360 --> 00:58:51,080 I'm guessing it's no different to sort of imagining driving 1048 00:58:51,080 --> 00:58:54,200 down the motorway. And suddenly something that like 1049 00:58:54,200 --> 00:58:56,520 that going off in in your car, you know only in a. 1050 00:58:56,720 --> 00:58:59,600 Bottle of Pop. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. 1051 00:58:59,600 --> 00:59:02,080 You know, it it that would be a passive way. 1052 00:59:02,280 --> 00:59:04,000 Yeah. That would frighten you and you 1053 00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:05,880 know or. Yeah, but like putting a lot, 1054 00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:07,280 Putting a Minto in a bottle of Coke. 1055 00:59:07,960 --> 00:59:12,680 Whilst doing 150 miles an hour. The M25 in rush hour, Yeah, 1056 00:59:13,240 --> 00:59:15,320 yeah, just try that lads, and then you'll get some sort of 1057 00:59:15,320 --> 00:59:20,440 idea of what it's like. Despite the set back, Nuttall 1058 00:59:20,440 --> 00:59:23,720 was awarded A Corbo Driver of the Day for his efforts. 1059 00:59:24,360 --> 00:59:26,200 Adam, do you think that was the right decision? 1060 00:59:27,600 --> 00:59:30,320 To be honest, yeah, I mean you know we've seen Smoking Joe win 1061 00:59:30,320 --> 00:59:33,080 plenty of races and he didn't do it other than obviously the star 1062 00:59:33,080 --> 00:59:36,560 and what have you. But it's this was his only 1063 00:59:36,560 --> 00:59:39,680 season in BTCC and as Alex has already mentioned, you know he 1064 00:59:39,680 --> 00:59:41,720 qualified 8. He ended up finishing 6th, if 1065 00:59:41,720 --> 00:59:43,520 you'd have said to him prior to that weekend. 1066 00:59:43,920 --> 00:59:47,080 You fancy a 6th place you know, snapped your hand off and and 1067 00:59:47,080 --> 00:59:50,520 shook on it right there. You know it's so the but then he 1068 00:59:50,520 --> 00:59:52,640 also he'll be kicking himself. The fact that he was, he was 1069 00:59:52,760 --> 00:59:56,760 fighting Steve sober for 3rd place like you know this was 1070 00:59:56,840 --> 01:00:00,080 unreal for him. So I think for for him with a 1071 01:00:00,080 --> 01:00:02,760 lack of experience that he did have within that championship 1072 01:00:02,760 --> 01:00:05,720 and and you know the competition he was up against and yeah, fair 1073 01:00:05,720 --> 01:00:07,920 play. Yeah, for me, the only other 1074 01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:10,800 candidate could have been his team mate, David Leslie. 1075 01:00:11,200 --> 01:00:16,320 Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think if you've got to award 1076 01:00:16,320 --> 01:00:19,960 it based on finishing the race, yeah, obviously not all I get 1077 01:00:19,960 --> 01:00:21,960 it. But I think in terms of just the 1078 01:00:21,960 --> 01:00:25,240 actual effort generally over the weekend pole position fastest in 1079 01:00:25,240 --> 01:00:29,120 practice and and and leading the race knowing what the pretty 1080 01:00:29,120 --> 01:00:31,000 much what the outcome was going to be you probably would give it 1081 01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:34,760 to Leslie yeah but as yeah for the finishers and yeah there's 1082 01:00:35,480 --> 01:00:39,520 there's no other as as Adam just said he was you know Steve super 1083 01:00:39,520 --> 01:00:43,080 was the championship leader going into this race meeting and 1084 01:00:43,080 --> 01:00:46,760 and there was not all challenging challenging him for 1085 01:00:46,760 --> 01:00:49,000 a place on the podium So yeah it's it's very much. 1086 01:00:49,080 --> 01:00:52,520 A gangster, works team, established team, established 1087 01:00:52,520 --> 01:00:54,920 driver. I think, yeah. 1088 01:00:54,920 --> 01:00:56,840 I think he would have been unreal for him, really, you 1089 01:00:56,840 --> 01:00:57,280 know. Good. 1090 01:00:57,360 --> 01:01:01,400 A good day for him, yeah. Eugene O'Brien was the final 1091 01:01:01,400 --> 01:01:05,720 casualty of the day, his Peugeot engine expiring on the final 1092 01:01:05,720 --> 01:01:08,800 lap. At the front, Winklehock took 1093 01:01:08,800 --> 01:01:11,680 the win and with it the championship lead from his team 1094 01:01:11,680 --> 01:01:15,200 mate Steve Soper. Once Leslie dropped out, smoking 1095 01:01:15,200 --> 01:01:19,240 Joe Cruise to victory. The start was very important, he 1096 01:01:19,240 --> 01:01:22,000 said after race. After that I could choose my own 1097 01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:24,120 lines and try to conserve my tires. 1098 01:01:25,000 --> 01:01:28,960 His team mate Soper was less happy, despite coming from 10th 1099 01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:32,840 on the grid to finish third. Now BMW will think that they 1100 01:01:32,840 --> 01:01:35,520 don't need to do any more development work, he told 1101 01:01:35,560 --> 01:01:38,200 Autosport. It's getting harder and harder 1102 01:01:38,200 --> 01:01:41,720 out there, Andrew, with the development rates on the grid 1103 01:01:41,720 --> 01:01:44,680 getting faster with Steve Wright to be a little bit concerned 1104 01:01:44,680 --> 01:01:48,520 about falling behind the curve. In Steve's case, no. 1105 01:01:48,520 --> 01:01:52,440 His point was, well, his point was well made. 1106 01:01:52,440 --> 01:01:55,920 But I think this was another case of drivers doing what they 1107 01:01:56,240 --> 01:01:59,520 always do when they're given the means, in this case ATV 1108 01:01:59,520 --> 01:02:03,360 microphone that's keeping the pressure on, in this case, their 1109 01:02:03,360 --> 01:02:06,640 team. The BMWs were now being run by 1110 01:02:06,640 --> 01:02:09,440 Schnitzer, which was already a world renowned team. 1111 01:02:09,440 --> 01:02:12,200 From their efforts in such series as the DTM. 1112 01:02:12,200 --> 01:02:16,960 They'd come to the BTCC from the DTM and over the first half of 1113 01:02:16,960 --> 01:02:21,480 the season I the team was run by two brothers, Dieter and 1114 01:02:21,480 --> 01:02:25,200 Charlie, and over the first half of the season I got to know 1115 01:02:25,200 --> 01:02:29,440 Charlie quite well. And quickly found him not only 1116 01:02:29,440 --> 01:02:33,360 to be one of the nicest men in motorsport, but also both he and 1117 01:02:33,360 --> 01:02:36,560 his brother absolutely dedicated to their task. 1118 01:02:36,880 --> 01:02:40,560 I can't imagine for a moment that he would he ever have got 1119 01:02:40,560 --> 01:02:44,960 complacent and stopped looking for the next game, so I don't 1120 01:02:44,960 --> 01:02:46,880 think Steve had anything to worry about. 1121 01:02:46,880 --> 01:02:50,560 In that case, Charlie Lamb seemed like one of the most 1122 01:02:51,160 --> 01:02:53,280 genuine nice chaps of motorsport. 1123 01:02:53,280 --> 01:02:55,360 He was. He's the real Gen. 1124 01:02:55,920 --> 01:02:58,960 Yeah, he, you know, no matter how busy he was, he always had 1125 01:02:58,960 --> 01:03:02,120 plenty of time for the likes of me who, let's face it, us 1126 01:03:02,120 --> 01:03:05,120 journalists are always irritating, always turned up at 1127 01:03:05,120 --> 01:03:08,600 just the wrong moment when you, you know, always need a quote 1128 01:03:08,600 --> 01:03:11,480 just at the wrong moment. But he always gave me loads of 1129 01:03:11,480 --> 01:03:14,280 time and he he explained the stuff I didn't understand 1130 01:03:14,280 --> 01:03:16,840 because I was still very much wet behind the ears at that 1131 01:03:16,840 --> 01:03:19,320 point. Yeah, one of the nicest mending 1132 01:03:19,320 --> 01:03:24,560 motorsport by an absolute star in terms of preparing the cars. 1133 01:03:24,920 --> 01:03:29,080 And let's face it, when you look at BM, WS history in the BTCC, 1134 01:03:29,320 --> 01:03:32,120 most of the success had something to do with Schnitzer, 1135 01:03:32,280 --> 01:03:35,960 Yes, because that one year that Schnitzer went away in 95. 1136 01:03:36,520 --> 01:03:39,320 Look at the drop in performance. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I went. 1137 01:03:39,600 --> 01:03:43,240 To visit them in but Bavaria it was a very funny little team but 1138 01:03:43,400 --> 01:03:46,520 and then obviously they came back in 96 and and and well, 1139 01:03:48,120 --> 01:03:51,480 yeah, yeah, yeah. Paul Radysich came home in 8th 1140 01:03:51,480 --> 01:03:54,160 place. The new Mondeo achieving its 1141 01:03:54,160 --> 01:03:56,920 first points finish in the first ever race. 1142 01:03:57,960 --> 01:04:01,320 Alex, was there reasons to be positive for the future for the 1143 01:04:01,320 --> 01:04:04,840 Mondeo after that race? Oh absolutely. 1144 01:04:04,880 --> 01:04:09,040 It's you know if if if you're qualifying 4th in your first 1145 01:04:09,040 --> 01:04:12,360 race then the car is obviously got serious potential. 1146 01:04:12,360 --> 01:04:16,960 And you know as we've already mentioned Radicic certainly at 1147 01:04:17,040 --> 01:04:21,240 the once he got into the groove he took the first win for the 1148 01:04:21,240 --> 01:04:26,520 Mondeo at a Brands Hatch later on in the season and went on to 1149 01:04:26,520 --> 01:04:30,480 win the World Cup and did it again in 94. 1150 01:04:30,480 --> 01:04:35,160 So yes, there there was definitely reasons for Ford to 1151 01:04:36,240 --> 01:04:40,360 to look look positive on the future, but interestingly, I 1152 01:04:40,360 --> 01:04:43,320 don't think they'd have expected the first championship for the 1153 01:04:43,320 --> 01:04:49,240 BTCC and for Mondeo in the BTCC to be all the way in 2000. 1154 01:04:50,040 --> 01:04:53,920 Yeah, everyone seemed to think that the Mondeo was a super 1155 01:04:53,920 --> 01:04:57,640 successful car throughout its lifetime in the championship, 1156 01:04:57,640 --> 01:05:02,240 but there were some real doldrums in in 96 and 97 where 1157 01:05:02,240 --> 01:05:06,920 the car was just awful. 93 They were too late for the reasons 1158 01:05:06,920 --> 01:05:10,600 we've said. 94 they should have won it. 1159 01:05:10,600 --> 01:05:15,440 But then along came Aero and then in 95 and 96 they got into 1160 01:05:15,440 --> 01:05:18,080 panic mode and started going and finding other people to build 1161 01:05:18,080 --> 01:05:20,000 their cars and it all went very wrong. 1162 01:05:20,960 --> 01:05:24,840 I think it was it was out of the 95 of the 96 car, which was some 1163 01:05:25,200 --> 01:05:30,520 was it shoe bubble, it was supposedly revolutionary or the 1164 01:05:30,520 --> 01:05:34,240 engine canted over at some funny angle and it did not work at 1165 01:05:34,240 --> 01:05:36,360 all. And Forges dug themselves a 1166 01:05:36,360 --> 01:05:40,120 deeper and deeper hole, and then into 97 with the mark 2. 1167 01:05:40,120 --> 01:05:43,840 Mondi didn't. When Reynard involved and there 1168 01:05:43,840 --> 01:05:46,480 were so many different people doing different parts of the 1169 01:05:46,480 --> 01:05:49,520 car, it just didn't work. Yeah, and they only started 1170 01:05:49,520 --> 01:05:51,120 working when they went back to a proper team. 1171 01:05:51,120 --> 01:05:54,800 We knew what they were doing in touring cars because these teams 1172 01:05:54,800 --> 01:05:57,440 at fault, because we can race in other motorsport and we know 1173 01:05:57,440 --> 01:06:00,160 everything about other motorsport, We'll be able to 1174 01:06:00,160 --> 01:06:04,880 walk the BTCC. Were soon found to be wanting, 1175 01:06:05,280 --> 01:06:08,400 yes, yeah, definitely, I think. If Arrow hadn't arrived in 94, I 1176 01:06:08,400 --> 01:06:09,920 think they would have had a bit of momentum. 1177 01:06:10,480 --> 01:06:12,120 They would, yeah, but no radix would. 1178 01:06:12,120 --> 01:06:15,280 Have been championed in 94 without the arrow alphas. 1179 01:06:15,720 --> 01:06:17,840 Just when they literally found their feet and thought, right, 1180 01:06:17,960 --> 01:06:20,320 we've cracked this, all of a sudden the rules change. 1181 01:06:22,320 --> 01:06:24,040 So yeah, that must have been a bit of a blow for them. 1182 01:06:27,760 --> 01:06:32,120 This was one of the hottest races of the 1993 season, with 1183 01:06:32,120 --> 01:06:35,120 the tight, twisty track at Pembrey providing some great 1184 01:06:35,120 --> 01:06:38,720 racing up and down the field. Despite the entertaining races 1185 01:06:38,720 --> 01:06:43,440 held at Pembrey in 1992 and 1993, the championship never 1186 01:06:43,440 --> 01:06:47,600 returned to the circuit to race and the BTCC hasn't stepped foot 1187 01:06:47,600 --> 01:06:50,200 in Wales since. Andrew. 1188 01:06:50,280 --> 01:06:52,920 Is it a shame that Pembrey never featured in the Championship 1189 01:06:52,920 --> 01:06:56,360 moving forward? And can you understand why it 1190 01:06:56,360 --> 01:06:59,160 was dropped from the calendar heading into the mid 90s? 1191 01:06:59,280 --> 01:07:03,200 I think it is a shame though I have to admit this weekend was 1192 01:07:03,200 --> 01:07:05,480 the date the last time I went to Pembrey. 1193 01:07:08,520 --> 01:07:11,440 It was an interesting circuit but it was also an odd one 1194 01:07:11,680 --> 01:07:15,200 whenever we did go there and it wasn't very often, I was in 1195 01:07:15,200 --> 01:07:20,160 Surrey at the time. I've been in Wales now for 16 1196 01:07:20,160 --> 01:07:23,760 years but even the 16 years I've been here I still haven't gone 1197 01:07:23,760 --> 01:07:27,200 back to Pembrey. But every time we did go there, 1198 01:07:27,200 --> 01:07:30,280 we always used to look for the single lone protester against 1199 01:07:30,280 --> 01:07:33,160 motorsport that was stationed right by the gate as you drove 1200 01:07:33,160 --> 01:07:37,920 in and ignored by everybody. It was that sort of odd place. 1201 01:07:37,920 --> 01:07:42,800 You know, I think it's it fell foul on the BTC CS growth. 1202 01:07:43,040 --> 01:07:45,240 You know, the championship was demanding not only better and 1203 01:07:45,240 --> 01:07:48,240 more facilities at the circuits, but also around them. 1204 01:07:48,480 --> 01:07:51,720 They wanted big catchment area, plenty of hotels for example 1205 01:07:52,360 --> 01:07:55,600 and. I think for the same reason I 1206 01:07:55,600 --> 01:07:58,840 would love to see the BTCC at the much younger Welsh circuit 1207 01:07:58,840 --> 01:08:00,680 at the other end of the country on Anglesey. 1208 01:08:01,400 --> 01:08:04,080 The photographers would have a field day for championship. 1209 01:08:04,080 --> 01:08:06,480 Went there because when you see it on TV it reminds you of 1210 01:08:06,480 --> 01:08:08,320 Phillip Island down under Australia. 1211 01:08:08,320 --> 01:08:11,240 It would be a seaside vacation and it looks really lovely. 1212 01:08:12,080 --> 01:08:15,920 But for the same reasons as Pembre, it's in the middle of 1213 01:08:15,920 --> 01:08:18,200 nowhere. There's not a load of hotels. 1214 01:08:18,200 --> 01:08:20,720 It would be an absolute. Ball late to get to. 1215 01:08:21,880 --> 01:08:24,920 I think it's unlikely the BTCC will go there anytime soon. 1216 01:08:24,920 --> 01:08:28,479 I mean in terms of facilities, in many ways both tracks are not 1217 01:08:28,479 --> 01:08:31,560 that far removed from Knockhill, but of course Knockhill is just 1218 01:08:31,560 --> 01:08:38,040 up the road from Edinburgh. So yeah, so sadly, no, I I wish 1219 01:08:38,040 --> 01:08:41,840 Wales did have a BTCC round. We had that absolute. 1220 01:08:43,520 --> 01:08:47,240 Ridiculous carry on with the so-called Circuit of Wales 1221 01:08:47,240 --> 01:08:50,240 project a few years ago and I think if we got that then the 1222 01:08:50,240 --> 01:08:51,760 championship might have gone there. 1223 01:08:51,760 --> 01:08:55,720 But no, I don't think we'll see the BTCC in Wales anytime soon, 1224 01:08:55,720 --> 01:08:57,760 unfortunately. And I think to give Pembree it's 1225 01:08:57,760 --> 01:09:02,680 due, it's always been, you know, the career I've had or even pre 1226 01:09:02,680 --> 01:09:06,160 pre me even going into cars here when I was still karting, it was 1227 01:09:06,160 --> 01:09:09,520 always a successful. Well accomplished. 1228 01:09:09,720 --> 01:09:13,720 Sort of #1 on the on the the list for teams to go testing. 1229 01:09:13,840 --> 01:09:16,920 Yeah, yeah you know it's testing testing testing F3 teams, 1230 01:09:16,920 --> 01:09:19,720 Formula four teams, touring car teams. 1231 01:09:19,960 --> 01:09:22,399 I think might have been out some some F1, yes. 1232 01:09:22,600 --> 01:09:26,080 Going on at the times, you know it was the tests that like you 1233 01:09:26,080 --> 01:09:27,800 know, you spoke to any team that was doing testing. 1234 01:09:27,800 --> 01:09:29,800 I was spending a week at Pembro, We're going to Pembro, we're 1235 01:09:29,800 --> 01:09:30,720 going to Pembre, going to Pembre. 1236 01:09:30,760 --> 01:09:34,080 And because he just had because it was in the middle of nowhere. 1237 01:09:34,160 --> 01:09:36,920 And I think back then, noise and things weren't a particular 1238 01:09:36,920 --> 01:09:38,960 issue. They could allow that to happen. 1239 01:09:39,479 --> 01:09:42,600 So it's very, you know, it was, it was the place for everybody 1240 01:09:42,600 --> 01:09:46,160 went testing in the 90s. Testing was huge at Pembury and 1241 01:09:46,439 --> 01:09:47,640 the amount of times, that's what. 1242 01:09:47,640 --> 01:09:50,760 It was known for really in my eyes, it was never really on the 1243 01:09:50,760 --> 01:09:53,960 agenda as a race circuit to to compete in a race. 1244 01:09:53,960 --> 01:09:56,760 It was always the Ted. That's where everybody went 1245 01:09:56,760 --> 01:09:59,520 testing all the big teams, all the huge, biggest teams. 1246 01:09:59,520 --> 01:10:05,360 When they're testing constantly, yeah, so, So for me it's it's an 1247 01:10:05,360 --> 01:10:10,840 hour away for me and. And Alex is miles away from 1248 01:10:10,840 --> 01:10:16,320 everyone, isn't he? And the amount of times that we 1249 01:10:16,320 --> 01:10:20,160 used to go there and to watch the testing, because you'd have, 1250 01:10:20,720 --> 01:10:23,200 you'd have Damon Hill pounding round in the Williams, you'd 1251 01:10:23,200 --> 01:10:26,560 have Nigel Mansell in the Williams, you know, you watch 1252 01:10:26,560 --> 01:10:29,480 back. There was a documentary I 1253 01:10:29,480 --> 01:10:34,280 watched on Sky Sports with Alan Prost and there was a an they 1254 01:10:34,440 --> 01:10:38,160 they talked about an incident where Alan and Ayton had fallen 1255 01:10:38,160 --> 01:10:42,560 out at Pembrey whilst testing. And you just think that's mad, 1256 01:10:42,560 --> 01:10:44,360 you know it. And Senna and Alan Prost falling 1257 01:10:44,360 --> 01:10:46,440 out around the back of the garages in Pembrey, that's what. 1258 01:10:46,560 --> 01:10:49,240 I'm saying that's how big it was as a test shark he got. 1259 01:10:49,280 --> 01:10:52,360 It was a huge. Senna Hill, Williams like and 1260 01:10:52,360 --> 01:10:54,880 and all the death three teams. Formula Four teams, like 1261 01:10:55,200 --> 01:10:58,520 everybody, went there it was. It was like there was no second 1262 01:10:58,520 --> 01:11:00,400 choice for anyone. That was just the go to. 1263 01:11:00,400 --> 01:11:02,360 That's where we do our development pre season. 1264 01:11:02,520 --> 01:11:07,400 Couple of other notable testing programs that I saw there would 1265 01:11:07,400 --> 01:11:10,560 have been Mansell did a lot of tests in there in the Mondeo 1266 01:11:10,560 --> 01:11:15,600 before his 98th season in the forward and also Andy Prio. 1267 01:11:16,400 --> 01:11:22,240 I saw him test a Laguna Super Tour there after after winning 1268 01:11:23,000 --> 01:11:26,600 the Renault Spyder Cup in 99. That was the prize, wasn't it? 1269 01:11:26,680 --> 01:11:29,080 And that was the prize. And and incidentally 1270 01:11:29,920 --> 01:11:33,480 subsequently realized that that was the last ever operation, the 1271 01:11:33,480 --> 01:11:37,840 last ever run for Williams Touring Car Engineering because 1272 01:11:37,840 --> 01:11:41,520 they obviously they ran down at the end of 99 with Renault 1273 01:11:41,520 --> 01:11:45,360 pulling out of the series and their very last testing actual, 1274 01:11:45,360 --> 01:11:48,320 their very last track action was that test for Prio. 1275 01:11:48,320 --> 01:11:49,880 Yeah. And that was at Pembrey. 1276 01:11:49,920 --> 01:11:54,360 So yeah, it's it's as you say, it's seen, it's seen some big 1277 01:11:54,360 --> 01:11:57,640 people testing there over the years, but very rarely for 1278 01:11:57,640 --> 01:11:59,760 racing. And what you said with Nigel 1279 01:11:59,760 --> 01:12:01,960 going there to do, because it was the only place you could 1280 01:12:01,960 --> 01:12:04,680 literally probably just go there exclusively pay to have the 1281 01:12:04,680 --> 01:12:08,000 circuit, probably the rates are nowhere near what it would be 1282 01:12:08,000 --> 01:12:10,440 cost to get to Silverstone etcetera, because you're not 1283 01:12:10,440 --> 01:12:12,720 paying for all the facilities and everything that surrounds 1284 01:12:12,720 --> 01:12:14,560 it. It's somewhere where you could 1285 01:12:14,560 --> 01:12:16,560 just go get everything in the truck and just go and spend a 1286 01:12:16,560 --> 01:12:19,520 week there. You know, as without having to 1287 01:12:19,600 --> 01:12:23,680 to to replicate that you'd need to go to Spain, France, Italy, 1288 01:12:24,120 --> 01:12:26,080 you know, to do all that. So that was the place where you 1289 01:12:26,080 --> 01:12:27,120 could go. You couldn't just book a 1290 01:12:27,120 --> 01:12:29,040 Silverstone for a week. You couldn't just go and book, 1291 01:12:30,000 --> 01:12:32,080 you know, brands for a week, you know. 1292 01:12:32,240 --> 01:12:34,320 But there you could. It was easy enough to do and 1293 01:12:34,320 --> 01:12:35,960 that's why everyone did it, because I think it was a bit of 1294 01:12:36,040 --> 01:12:40,400 a quite a relaxed. Sort of private place to go 1295 01:12:40,600 --> 01:12:42,160 without spy. Nice. 1296 01:12:42,160 --> 01:12:44,680 So much as well, that privacy? Yeah, exactly. 1297 01:12:44,680 --> 01:12:48,240 It was ideal because people had to go so far the way to get 1298 01:12:48,240 --> 01:12:51,400 there that nobody bothered. Yeah. 1299 01:12:51,400 --> 01:12:53,200 No, he wasn't. You wouldn't know if someone had 1300 01:12:53,200 --> 01:12:55,680 been spent a week there because he wasn't publicized, but if. 1301 01:12:56,160 --> 01:12:59,400 If Nigel, you know, said if my Ford had rented Silverstone for 1302 01:12:59,400 --> 01:13:00,760 a week, bloody hell, you don't know. 1303 01:13:00,760 --> 01:13:02,560 I mean, yes, exactly. You know about it being in 1304 01:13:02,560 --> 01:13:04,960 Pembury, especially with you being as close as you were to 1305 01:13:04,960 --> 01:13:06,400 that. But you know, if you'd have 1306 01:13:06,400 --> 01:13:09,760 spent a week at at Silverstone, it had been a, you know everyone 1307 01:13:09,760 --> 01:13:11,400 what you would have on every national pipe, wouldn't it? 1308 01:13:11,520 --> 01:13:18,440 Yeah, yeah. I'd never raced there, but when 1309 01:13:18,440 --> 01:13:22,720 I, after I'd done, had my two years in France, when I won the 1310 01:13:22,720 --> 01:13:25,800 Elf campus, running a campus championship in 99 at Le Mans. 1311 01:13:26,160 --> 01:13:28,440 Well, based at Le Mans that we raced around off to the circuit 1312 01:13:28,440 --> 01:13:31,800 of France and then I stayed on to do F3 with them, won that 1313 01:13:31,800 --> 01:13:34,200 championship in 2000. I then did a test. 1314 01:13:34,200 --> 01:13:36,720 I think it was in 2001. I did a test with, do you 1315 01:13:36,720 --> 01:13:38,840 remember? You might remember, but remember 1316 01:13:38,840 --> 01:13:43,640 Jamie Spence based at 3:00. Races in the Green Puma Racing 1317 01:13:44,160 --> 01:13:46,720 Formula Three team. He was a new team that had been 1318 01:13:46,720 --> 01:13:49,240 created. So I I went in 2001, I went and 1319 01:13:49,240 --> 01:13:50,560 did it. I was there for a couple of days 1320 01:13:51,040 --> 01:13:53,360 doing a test with them in the same car. 1321 01:13:54,640 --> 01:13:57,560 So I was, as I was as quick as Jamie Spence was at that time. 1322 01:13:57,560 --> 01:14:02,560 So my first time in A or second time in a Class A car, because 1323 01:14:02,560 --> 01:14:05,240 halfway through my my season in in France, I actually did the 1324 01:14:05,240 --> 01:14:07,920 Zandvoort Masters in a Class A car in the same team that I was 1325 01:14:07,920 --> 01:14:09,640 with. So that was my first time in a 1326 01:14:09,640 --> 01:14:15,000 Class A car and then I did did a test in there with with 1327 01:14:15,000 --> 01:14:21,640 Pumasburg. This was the story of the Ford 1328 01:14:21,640 --> 01:14:26,760 Mondeo's debut in the BTCC. I'm not sure how many people 1329 01:14:26,760 --> 01:14:30,480 knew just how big an impact the model would have on the BTCC. 1330 01:14:31,440 --> 01:14:34,200 Be assured, we are definitely going to be covering more Mondeo 1331 01:14:34,240 --> 01:14:37,800 stories in the future on stories from Super Touring, and there 1332 01:14:37,800 --> 01:14:40,280 are plenty that we can go through as well. 1333 01:14:40,960 --> 01:14:45,480 It's now time for our new four Series 3 feature where producer 1334 01:14:45,480 --> 01:14:48,720 Dan asks us all the question and we can see if we were paying 1335 01:14:48,720 --> 01:14:52,000 attention. Don't forget to play along at 1336 01:14:52,000 --> 01:14:55,520 home too. Now last time out Alex scored a 1337 01:14:55,520 --> 01:15:00,400 point for guessing Peugeot correctly, so it is currently 21 1338 01:15:00,640 --> 01:15:04,360 to the regulars Producer Dan, have you got your question 1339 01:15:04,360 --> 01:15:08,320 ready? I have got my question ready, So 1340 01:15:09,280 --> 01:15:12,160 it was quite an interesting weekend in the Tokyo Challenge 1341 01:15:12,160 --> 01:15:14,560 for Privateers. You mentioned that two of the 1342 01:15:14,960 --> 01:15:19,600 main contenders actually didn't even qualify for the event, but. 1343 01:15:20,040 --> 01:15:22,880 The winner, who was the winner in the Toka Challenge for 1344 01:15:22,880 --> 01:15:27,280 privateers Ian Cantwell? No, he didn't qualify. 1345 01:15:27,560 --> 01:15:29,080 He. Didn't qualify. 1346 01:15:29,200 --> 01:15:31,280 You weren't paying attention, right? 1347 01:15:34,480 --> 01:15:41,280 Was it one of the part line? Corinas who was in that team? 1348 01:15:41,600 --> 01:15:43,760 I got the wrong Ian. There's three Ian's. 1349 01:15:44,160 --> 01:15:45,200 I got the wrong one. It's. 1350 01:15:45,560 --> 01:15:46,880 It's not Ian. I'm not. 1351 01:15:46,880 --> 01:15:48,720 I'm not going to help any of you guys out. 1352 01:15:48,720 --> 01:15:50,760 It's. I know it can Oh, and I don't 1353 01:15:50,760 --> 01:15:51,720 know it. Yeah, I I. 1354 01:15:51,880 --> 01:15:52,400 Can I? Let's see. 1355 01:15:52,440 --> 01:15:54,040 Let's see if anyone else can get it before you. 1356 01:15:54,080 --> 01:15:57,600 Jump in so if if it's an Ian because I was thinking James K 1357 01:15:57,600 --> 01:16:01,880 or oh he was in the other part Lane Bobby Verdon row. 1358 01:16:02,760 --> 01:16:05,400 But don't. No, I can't remember, sorry. 1359 01:16:05,840 --> 01:16:07,240 Oh no, I've got it. Ian Khan. 1360 01:16:08,040 --> 01:16:09,120 Is it in Khan? Yeah. 1361 01:16:09,440 --> 01:16:11,680 Is it in Khan? It was Ian Khan, yes. 1362 01:16:12,240 --> 01:16:16,040 Getty Ian Khan, right. His first win of the of the 1363 01:16:16,040 --> 01:16:19,280 season in the Toka Challenge, he got third place at Silverstone 1364 01:16:19,280 --> 01:16:23,360 and 2nd place at Donnington, but Pembre was his first win. 1365 01:16:23,360 --> 01:16:25,920 He also then went on to win at Silverstone next time out. 1366 01:16:26,600 --> 01:16:29,240 Brands Hatch and Silverstone later on in the year, and at the 1367 01:16:29,240 --> 01:16:31,600 end of the year he was only two points off Matt Neil. 1368 01:16:32,040 --> 01:16:36,160 So it's a pretty tight championship in 1993, if your 1369 01:16:36,200 --> 01:16:41,160 name was Ian. Ian Ian Ashley was third and Ian 1370 01:16:41,160 --> 01:16:44,680 Cantwell was seventh. Third World, but he he stopped 1371 01:16:44,720 --> 01:16:49,120 turning up after the mid season. Silverstone round obviously 1372 01:16:49,120 --> 01:16:51,400 didn't get Ashley. There's a main card. 1373 01:16:51,520 --> 01:16:53,440 Yeah, I was trying to remember Ian Ashley because I was 1374 01:16:53,440 --> 01:16:55,800 thinking Ian Carl. I knew one of them was third and 1375 01:16:55,800 --> 01:16:57,520 I thought that as Ian Carl like he was the other. 1376 01:16:57,520 --> 01:16:59,360 He was in. Ian Ashley was third in that 1377 01:16:59,360 --> 01:17:01,080 race in the Challenge, so I didn't realize. 1378 01:17:01,080 --> 01:17:05,080 No, Ian Ashley, in the late 70s, rolled a Formula One card to 1379 01:17:05,080 --> 01:17:07,240 destruction in the Canadian Grand Prix. 1380 01:17:07,520 --> 01:17:09,880 Yes, this is. I was just about to say I didn't 1381 01:17:09,880 --> 01:17:12,920 realise until very recently that Ian Ashley was actually an XF1 1382 01:17:12,920 --> 01:17:15,040 driver. He was, Yeah, He was. 1383 01:17:15,360 --> 01:17:15,760 What? What? 1384 01:17:15,800 --> 01:17:21,440 What team was it? It was like one of the Was it a 1385 01:17:21,440 --> 01:17:24,760 hiskiff? According to the Internet, 1386 01:17:24,880 --> 01:17:26,280 Because the Internet knows everything. 1387 01:17:26,720 --> 01:17:32,640 He he raced a a token racing and a Brabham in 1974, raced a 1388 01:17:32,640 --> 01:17:37,120 Williams, the FWA three in 1975, but did not start the German 1389 01:17:37,120 --> 01:17:40,560 Grand Prix. He raced to BRM for one race in 1390 01:17:40,560 --> 01:17:44,960 1976 at the start of the season in Brazil, and then in 1977 he 1391 01:17:44,960 --> 01:17:48,960 raced to Hesketh at the well. He he sort of raced to Hesketh 1392 01:17:48,960 --> 01:17:52,120 because for three of the five appearances he made he didn't 1393 01:17:52,120 --> 01:17:55,800 even qualify. He got 17th at the USA Grand 1394 01:17:55,800 --> 01:17:57,680 Prix. And at the Canadian Grand Prix 1395 01:17:57,680 --> 01:17:59,600 in 1977, he didn't even start the race. 1396 01:17:59,600 --> 01:18:03,880 So actually in his Formula One career he only finished three 1397 01:18:03,880 --> 01:18:06,160 races, one of which was a non classified. 1398 01:18:06,160 --> 01:18:10,560 Because he was so far behind, he got 114th place and 117th place. 1399 01:18:11,160 --> 01:18:14,640 And he has a connection with a touring car driver or something. 1400 01:18:14,640 --> 01:18:18,520 He did has a connection with a touring car driver at 1401 01:18:18,520 --> 01:18:20,440 Snetterton. Quite recently. 1402 01:18:20,880 --> 01:18:22,520 There was a start line as which one? 1403 01:18:22,520 --> 01:18:27,960 It was one of the. The Chevrolets, the PMW 1404 01:18:27,960 --> 01:18:34,760 Chevrolets all right, rolled itself off the grid and 1405 01:18:34,760 --> 01:18:38,280 demolished television tower. When Ian Ashley had its huge 1406 01:18:38,280 --> 01:18:41,360 crash at the Canadian Grand Prix, he went straight into a 1407 01:18:41,360 --> 01:18:43,560 television tower. Oh, OK. 1408 01:18:44,000 --> 01:18:46,120 There you go. Totally useless facts. 1409 01:18:46,120 --> 01:18:48,960 There you go. And if anyone was wondering who 1410 01:18:48,960 --> 01:18:51,560 was third in the Turkey times for privateers, it was Luton's 1411 01:18:51,560 --> 01:18:56,320 finest David Bingley. David Peakley, Yes, he was 1412 01:18:56,360 --> 01:18:59,920 always interesting to interview. Ian Khan actually shared I did 1413 01:18:59,920 --> 01:19:01,640 some GT racing with him in a Porsche. 1414 01:19:02,760 --> 01:19:04,440 Oh really? So yeah, yeah, I did. 1415 01:19:05,320 --> 01:19:06,840 And I will. I have a sign. 1416 01:19:06,840 --> 01:19:08,520 You know the signs you get above the peak garriages. 1417 01:19:08,520 --> 01:19:11,160 I've got a sign somewhere. Think it's in the man cave that 1418 01:19:11,160 --> 01:19:14,560 I'll or. After this he's released. 1419 01:19:14,560 --> 01:19:17,320 I will post that as proof. Yes, please do. 1420 01:19:17,320 --> 01:19:19,200 Yeah. So back back to the winner of 1421 01:19:19,200 --> 01:19:20,200 the quiz. Like what? 1422 01:19:20,400 --> 01:19:23,200 Do I get a prize or do I get a mug? 1423 01:19:23,200 --> 01:19:25,520 Do I get a 1990s mug? Is that what happens here or? 1424 01:19:29,240 --> 01:19:32,240 That I'd like to thank Andrew Sharman for joining us once 1425 01:19:32,240 --> 01:19:35,760 again to look back at this race and we hope to see you again on 1426 01:19:35,760 --> 01:19:38,760 Stories from Super Touring. Well, you know where to find me. 1427 01:19:38,760 --> 01:19:41,720 I mean, I'm absolutely loving doing these, even though it's 1428 01:19:41,720 --> 01:19:45,080 forcing me to exercise bits of my grey matter that haven't been 1429 01:19:45,080 --> 01:19:47,440 disturbed for very many years. Yeah, absolutely. 1430 01:19:48,120 --> 01:19:49,280 You want me back? I'll be there. 1431 01:19:49,640 --> 01:19:51,040 Yeah. We love having you on, Andrew. 1432 01:19:51,600 --> 01:19:55,200 And our thanks as ever go to you guys for listening to the show. 1433 01:19:55,480 --> 01:19:58,360 And if you enjoyed today's episode, please make sure to 1434 01:19:58,360 --> 01:20:02,520 give us a review A5 star rating and subscribe to the podcast 1435 01:20:02,520 --> 01:20:04,960 feed on your podcast app of choice. 1436 01:20:05,480 --> 01:20:08,760 And a few of you have got in touch after last week's episode 1437 01:20:08,760 --> 01:20:11,560 with Mick Linford to say just how much they enjoyed it. 1438 01:20:11,560 --> 01:20:14,640 So thank you very much for those comments. 1439 01:20:14,880 --> 01:20:17,680 Aaron Ewing told us that he loved the episode of Mick, 1440 01:20:18,000 --> 01:20:21,080 whilst James Hipwell said it was a proper down to earth and 1441 01:20:21,080 --> 01:20:23,480 honest chat, which it absolutely was. 1442 01:20:23,480 --> 01:20:26,880 Was was very eye open for all of us. 1443 01:20:26,920 --> 01:20:29,320 I think I can sell more of all us there, wasn't it? 1444 01:20:30,160 --> 01:20:33,000 I think it was, I think even even for me, being involved in 1445 01:20:33,000 --> 01:20:36,520 touring cars at a later stage and what that was to know 1446 01:20:36,960 --> 01:20:40,800 probably more than what the average person would know in 1447 01:20:40,800 --> 01:20:43,280 terms of internal stuff. It was even a shock to me to 1448 01:20:43,280 --> 01:20:48,080 know just how the air just lacked backwards and the amount 1449 01:20:48,080 --> 01:20:50,360 of times that he probably would have wanted to throw the towel 1450 01:20:50,360 --> 01:20:53,800 in. Yeah, I I really, really felt 1451 01:20:53,800 --> 01:20:56,120 for for Mick when he was telling us just how. 1452 01:20:57,240 --> 01:20:59,840 You know how tough it was and it was. 1453 01:21:00,120 --> 01:21:02,120 It was really enlightening actually, and it makes you 1454 01:21:02,120 --> 01:21:04,680 realise just. What a good job he did do. 1455 01:21:04,760 --> 01:21:05,840 Yeah. No support. 1456 01:21:06,120 --> 01:21:09,280 Yeah you know and and to be up against and as I said last week 1457 01:21:09,600 --> 01:21:13,200 I didn't mean it in a in a disrespectful way but you know 1458 01:21:13,200 --> 01:21:18,840 he was his Peugeot team were up against Williams TWR Pro Drive 1459 01:21:18,840 --> 01:21:20,840 you know these massive companies that. 1460 01:21:21,320 --> 01:21:24,760 That were, you know, very, very well versed in preparing racing 1461 01:21:24,760 --> 01:21:25,320 cars. One of the. 1462 01:21:25,320 --> 01:21:27,840 Most strongest times of touring car racing was it in terms of 1463 01:21:27,960 --> 01:21:29,920 the teaming, the teams that were involved? 1464 01:21:30,160 --> 01:21:32,240 Yes. And until very late they were 1465 01:21:32,240 --> 01:21:35,320 still doing it in the back of the back of the car plant, you 1466 01:21:35,320 --> 01:21:40,080 know it's it's, it's impressive. And Paul Waterhouse, he also got 1467 01:21:40,080 --> 01:21:41,760 in touch. So it was a very interesting 1468 01:21:41,760 --> 01:21:44,200 episode and said what a great interview. 1469 01:21:44,520 --> 01:21:46,960 So thanks very much for that Paul and everyone else that got 1470 01:21:46,960 --> 01:21:49,200 in touch with their comments on the episode. 1471 01:21:49,200 --> 01:21:53,440 We always enjoy hearing just how much you're loving the podcast. 1472 01:21:53,440 --> 01:21:55,120 That's that was really lovely to see. 1473 01:21:55,320 --> 01:21:56,200 Yeah. Thank you everyone. 1474 01:21:56,520 --> 01:22:00,040 Don't forget you can now support the podcast by buying some of 1475 01:22:00,040 --> 01:22:03,400 our own merchandise. 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