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Stories from Super Touring. 
It seemed to be a race that 

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nobody wanted to win. 
Snetterton often brings great 

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race into the BTCC, but this 
meeting was another level of 

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lead pack all annihilated 
themselves with three laps to 

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Jocko Winkle hopped through his 

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BMW off track at least four 
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There were fisticuffs in the 
paddock after the race and John 

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Cleland was giving one word 
answers to the waiting press. 

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Welcome to the latest episode of
Stories From Super Touring. 

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I'm Levi Riley. 
And as ever to take a look back 

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on this memorable BTCC meeting, 
our former BTCC driver Adam 

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Jones. 
BRSCC commentator Scott Woodwis 

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and Al Clark as the gentleman. 
How are we all? 

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Yeah, yeah, not bad. 
Thank you. 

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Looking forward to having a 
little chat about this rather 

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crazy race that took place. 
Yeah, it was a bit bonkers 

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wasn't. 
It absolutely. 

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And on that note, Scott, 
starting with you, what are your

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first thoughts when it comes to 
this race meeting, which was not

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surprising. 
He'd hub the race of the season 

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in 1996. 
I'd strongly agree with that. 

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I think it was an excellent race
meeting in Hull. 

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It. 
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mind for me was that it was the 
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ever attended in real life and 
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I was tender age of five years 
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What a race to go to. 
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But little. 
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time, but looking back, it was 
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remember watching all the action
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outside of the s s or I think we
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Revit straight for Race 2. 
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action going to where we were. 
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day as well actually if you see 
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quite interesting and just 
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absolutely bizarre and obviously
some of the more bizarre stuff 

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and crazy stuff happened away 
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complex. 
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race event and it was pretty 
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terms of the race that was 
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I think couple of things that 
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I think there's some people 
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that this. 
Race weekend, this first race in

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particular, we talked about 
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points to Silvers in 92 and 
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I actually think this race is 
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very underrated race because not
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96 and if you look back and 
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between it, which is quite fun. 
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underrated for some people, even
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of people who remembered it from
asking your your viewers for the

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questions by looking through who
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This was quite funny from your 
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who's talking about after being 
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getting hit by Will Hoy and he 
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orangey Renault thing for some 
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by Barry Humphries can you get 
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I quote he said word for word Oh
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next race. 
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of humour with Patrick, so that 
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be all round. 
It was a a mega meeting and as 

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we'll as we'll discuss I'm sure 
there was all the action 

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primarily was in that first 
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of the era? 
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what are your first thoughts 
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Snetterton to to be honest, I I 
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because yes, everyone talks 
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was tons of good races in in 
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that stood out more than others 
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sort of for us to talk about you
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those. 
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one's really spoke about SNET 
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brilliant and there was lots of 
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comment, really. 
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There's lots to talk about which
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that just comes to mind is 
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Made it hard for himself, didn't
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And I've got to say, you know 
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back and you and you you you're 
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the induction, particularly the 
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down the Revit, straight coming 
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bottom. 
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takes me straight back like to 
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sound of those and that's half 
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international superstars driving
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that they did, it was just 
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It was just. 
Mecca. 

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Yeah, absolutely. 
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Al, what are your sort of 
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meeting? 
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one that that he just mentioned 
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this race for me is always the 
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it goes down the river. 
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And especially with two of them 
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the pair of them, you know, it 
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They were just incredible and 
when the footage cuts to the in 

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car. 
As smoking Joe is going through 

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the gears. 
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Just incredible. 
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understand as well, it's how 
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rod through the side of that 
engine and out the wing and into

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the crowd? 
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changes on in car compared to 
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Like yes, we do change down gear
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the modern day car and now blow 
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going beyond the revlimiter. 
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as a driver. 
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makes you cringe thinking, God, 
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can make? 
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wouldn't it? 
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Together, just careful. 
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Snetton tends to get overlooked 
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this era of touring car racing. 
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Snetton, 94 was great, 93 was 
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19698 was brilliant. 
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There's a lot of really good 
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I love this layout of 
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I'm not a big fan of the new 
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driver it's it was way better 
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the the challenge of it was 
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the middle, really just to sort 
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It but you know that that's all 
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As ever, we've asked our 
faithful listeners what they 

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thought of this race meeting on 
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There was quite a varied 
response, which I'll go through 

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now for you, Greg Denton says. 
His first thoughts are Yo-yo Joe

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doing everything to try and win 
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In the first, he did make it 
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Wasn't. 
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that he remembers everyone 
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If you asked Roberto Rivalli, I 
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had fun. 
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Murray Walker was just getting 
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Winkelhawk through his BMW. 
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that three into one in the first
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out and that something was 
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which I'm sure we'll get on to a
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Whilst Alex Otner Harkick gives 
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saying he recalls him just 
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Just listen to that screaming 
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Which, yes, Murray. 
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Thompson always spinning off at 
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Barry Pierce remembers hot 
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storming into the Volvo garage 
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of the reasons why he cannot 
stand him, which is some strong 

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feelings from Barry there about 
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Yeah, tell us how you really 
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Kenny Dowling just says it was 
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calling it a funny race 
afterwards, which indeed it was.

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The build up to this race 
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aftermath of Kelvin Burt's huge 
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In the previous meeting. 
After contact with our menu down

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Cascades, Burt's Volvo went off 
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the arm code that separated the 
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Alton Park Adam. 
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one, would that have been a big 
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It's one of the biggest shunts 
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impact and the speed of it, it I
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watching it and I just and the 
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and you just thought he's dead. 
Like dads killed him because you

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know you know you just know with
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remember Grosjean when he 
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then they saw the ball of flames
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like the fact and to to to 
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Very lucky. 
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Very, very lucky like that. 
The lot of these circuits in the

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they're very unforgiving. 
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school circuits, they're not 
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you put a wheel on the grass. 
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and the speed they're travelling
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started, you know, he was, he'd 
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time and you know you've got 
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separating you from a lake. 
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the other side it was, it could 
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it was was remarkable really 
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serious injuries to to live 
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that, you know, will you walk 
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race at Snetterton, but doctors 
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him more time to recover prior 
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Snetterton meeting, Burt told 
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100%. 
To me it would be better to race

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Snetterton and maybe get a 6th 
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someone else do it and get no 
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BTCC doctor Paul Trafford said 
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quite fully fit yet. 
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Brands Hatch. 
He's done very well so far and 

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his recovery has been very 
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Do you think it was Why select 
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I think so. 
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caution was the right thing to 
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accident as Adam was talking 
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You have to remember that this 
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mid 1990s and they weren't short
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cage and roll over they have, 
these were course effectively in

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many ways like space frame cars 
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roll cage and with with kind of 
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Body Lake is used to use as a as
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So it was quite a hefty hit that
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And ultimately, in any 
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as much as we talk about the 
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This wasn't like the 70s or the 
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Be like, ah, it'll be fine. 
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race Cos. 
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that it was one of those 
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example, like when when Piquet 
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practice, he always said 
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perception was a little bit 
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He could never tell. 
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not, it seemed to me like he was
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particularly having, you know 
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year. 
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maybe just rattled him a little 
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absolute right thing to do. 
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seat was going to be British 
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Davis. 
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the TWR junior team in F3 and he
tested an 850 at Stetterton 

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prior to the event, posting a 
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team leader Ricard Rydell after 
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It is a competitive series in if
I race, I want to be right up 

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there. 
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the car is similar to Maya free 
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good in the Volvo. 
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in the corners. 
Alex, are you surprised that TWR

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went with Davis to replace Burt?
No, not at all. 

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Burt wasn't going to be out for 
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He wasn't going to miss too many
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So they only needed somebody 
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the car for one meeting. 
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And then hand the car back to 
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somebody that's already linked 
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racing for for TWR in in F3. 
He was the obvious choice. 

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Ironically, there was also the 
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in that Burt jumped from F3 into
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was that sort of similarity he 
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going to jump into this. 
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race. 
So no, not a surprise at all. 

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TWR needed somebody quickly and 
and he was the obvious choice 

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and I think just to echo that as
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thinking exactly the same thing 
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seaters. 
We'd obviously we know the story

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with with Ricard coming from 
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So it wasn't something new or a 
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this kid from single seater and 
put him into this things now got

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a really funny yeah. 
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the you know it wasn't at the 
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It was already been done. 
It's been proven that he can be 

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done. 
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gamble that probably some people
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like it was super quick like in 
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of the best. 
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good good replacement, you know 
a good idea at the time anyway. 

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Yeah. 
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driver that he was, if you look 
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year later in 97, he did the 
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International F3000, which shows
the calibre he was, he was doing

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and he went on to do British GT,
he did the Le Mans series, 

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American Le Mans Series, raced 
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that. 
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class in 2003 in GTS. 
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Calaby was and he's been touted 
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of the fastest drivers that we 
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So I think TWR knew knew what 
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that he he he gave all that 
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So I think for them, again it 
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no brainer forced up anyway 
because he was that good, good, 

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good, a calibre driver in his 
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Come the Snetterton test, Davis 
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car when his left rear tire 
deflated on the approach to the 

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fast riches right-handed at the 
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He tried to catch the slide and 
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no avail. 
He hit the plant field sideways,

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tossing the Volvo into a series 
of roles in which he was knocked

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unconscious. 
I woke up in the car with an 

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oxygen mask on, a bracelet down 
my back and a drip in my hand 

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whilst they were removing me 
from the car. 

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It was a pretty big one, he 
subsequently told Also Sport. 

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Davis also said that his 
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was a big factor in the shunts. 
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gravel and you're in the pits 
for an hour whilst they're 

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cleaning all the crap out of it,
explains Davis. 

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But if I just steered it to the 
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they would have brought it back 
to the pits, sorted out the 

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tyres, given it a dust off and 
we would have gone. 

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It was the fact that my single 
seater brain was thinking try 

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and keep it on the track, that I
was still correcting the slide 

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as I went through the corner. 
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throttle, but they're so low and
tight in the wheel Archers that 

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there's only a limited amount of
steering lock that you get and 

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it was nowhere near enough lock 
to be able to do anything about 

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it. 
Adam, talk about lightning 

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striking twice there for Volvo. 
Was that some pretty bad luck 

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there for Davis? 
Yeah, I think he was. 

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And you know, he was super, yes,
he says the inexperience of 

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being in sort of a tin top. 
But, you know, he was super 

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experienced. 
You know, he knew what he was 

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doing, You know, he was just 
unlucky. 

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And I think looking at, you know
that first court sort of double 

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right-hander at Snetterton, it's
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which has been, you know, the 
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and it's one of the best corners
on the calendar really. 

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But you never really used to see
massive shunts there. 

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You'd see obviously people go 
off sideways or into the the 

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field and what have you. 
But I think he was in lucky the 

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fact that his tires deflated, 
it's dug in. 

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I imagine that was the cause of 
it actually digging in and then 

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flipping him over. 
But yeah, I think unlucky for 

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him because you don't know where
that could have took him. 

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If. 
I mean, yeah, he still carried 

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on to have a great career but 
you don't know, you know how 

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things could have panned out for
him. 

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But isn't this lives that we 
live is full of ifs and butts 

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isn't it? 
And maybe so he wasn't lucky. 

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I think it was even more unlucky
for Volvo because they've got 

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two destroyed cars that have 
cost Volvo huge amount of money 

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in in in a matter of days, 
haven't they? 

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So yeah, he's unlucky for him. 
He was a shame he didn't get to 

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do to do that race that he was 
brought in for. 

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But yeah he's super unlucky. 
But again another one lucky to 

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walk away from what what you 
know was clearly a massive shunt

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and there are some images that 
you can see of the car as well 

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as I think auto sport I've got 
there's an image on the back of 

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the tow truck that you'll find 
online as well. 

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So you know, with doors missing 
and you know the car was in a 

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bad in a bad way. 
And I think that just would have

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been a case of, you know, still 
similar to Kelvin's. 

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Just take the engine out of it 
and the bits that are actually 

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still straight and got 
salvageable and and literally 

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been the rest because you know 
there wasn't much left of that 

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vehicle. 
Yeah, it was a wreck, wasn't it?

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Yeah, it was a big wreck, yeah. 
With the chassis written off and

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Burt's 850 also a wreck, there 
was no spare for Davis to race 

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and Volvo had to withdraw the 
second car from the event. 

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It was a shame because I can 
still remember now. 

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I was P4 before I went off, 
which is I guess pretty good for

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a rookie jumping in, Davis told 
All This Ball. 

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After dominating free practice, 
BMW were always looking likely 

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to dominate the qualifying 
sessions, and so they did 

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smoking. 
Joe Winklehock took pole 

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position for both races with 
teammate Roberto Rivallia in 3rd

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and 6th. 
The top 13 cars were covered by 

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just one second in both 
qualifying sessions, and things 

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were looking pretty even between
the top runners. 

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But it was Winklehock's race 
simulations that were worrying 

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the rest of the grid. 
We will know more after the 

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races of Winkle Hot commented 
after the qualifying session. 

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Twice on the front row and a 
good race run says the car is 

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good but it is very close out 
there. 

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Meanwhile, further down the 
grid, ALDI was still struggling 

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to deal with the extra 30 kilos 
that a falls were handed at the 

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previous meeting at Alton Park, 
5th and 10th on the grid for 

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Beeler, whilst Binkliff was 10th
and 12th on the grid. 

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Get used to a miserable dealer 
set after the sessions, Scott. 

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Can you understand why our ALDI 
would find it so tough? 

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It's net and with the extra 
weight penalty they were 

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carrying. 
Yeah, I can. 

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I mean, this is, this is BAP. 
Before the term BAP was 

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prevented with the extra 30 
kilograms, I mean the at at that

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point the Outers have come 
straight in. 

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It was their first season in the
championship and from the outset

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they showed how quick they were 
with four wheel drive. 

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The fact they brought Frank 
Wheeler across from from racing 

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in Germany was quite clear and 
even a a young rookie like John 

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Bincliffe that come up from 
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Fiestas beforehand who was 
impressing in the second car. 

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So it was obvious that you know 
there was obviously something 

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that Toca had to do to reel them
in a little bit and make it a 

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little more even. 
Otherwise it would have been a 

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complete runaway from the team 
throughout the rest of the 

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season. 
So I can understand where 

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there's a a disappointment with 
them in terms of where their car

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is. 
I mean obviously given that 

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you've got extra weight, you've 
got to stay with it, you've got 

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to brake with it, you've got to 
accelerate with it. 

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And I'm sure, as I'm sure as 
Anna will know of course from 

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touring car days, particularly 
in the days where they used to 

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have ballast and things on top 
of it, you know, 30 kilos might 

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sound like a lot. 
And I guess in in a racing car 

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that's a heck of a lot because 
obviously kilogram can, even 

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just one kilogram can cost you a
handful attempts a lap at least.

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So an Audi was so used to having
such a dominant run at the start

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of the season, they're having to
try and feel the effects of 

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being pegged back a little bit 
and everyone else is starting to

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catch up. 
And despite having 2 wheel drive

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less, I think those cars which 
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Renaults, the BMWs and the 
Volvos etcetera, we're starting 

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to find that form and we're 
starting to keep them much 

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closer. 
And given the fact that Sneston 

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was also a circuit where has a 
lot of stop start nature, a lot 

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of bit of relatively big braking
zones, tight corners, 

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particularly where you've got 
traction, has got to be quite 

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key. 
The lighter, more nimbler cars 

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that BMW Renault Audi and BMW 
Renault Volvo so would have had,

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would have meant that the Audis 
were going to struggle anyway, 

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even with the four wheel drive 
and even with it being slightly 

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dusty out there on that first 
race. 

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At the green lights for race 
one, Winklehot converted his 

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pole position into the lead, 
with Rydell bogging down in the 

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single Volvo 850. 
That allowed Ravanglia to take 

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second behind his teammate into 
the first corner, with Beela 

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following behind him third. 
James Kay, who had qualified 7th

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in the Honda, became the first 
retirement of the race at the 

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very first corner after having a
strong start. 

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He got hit by menus, Renault and
spun out of the race. 

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He admitted it after said a 
disappointed Kay. 

445
00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:24,320
But when you see what happened 
later on, I could have won that 

446
00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:27,360
race. 
Oh, that's a pretty strong claim

447
00:22:27,360 --> 00:22:29,880
there from James Kay. 
But do you think he was right? 

448
00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:33,880
I mean, looking at the race 
back, anyone could have won it 

449
00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:35,920
really. 
You've also got. 

450
00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:39,200
To look at the fact that Smoking
Joe should have won that race. 

451
00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:41,080
Yes, absolutely. 
Yeah, yeah. 

452
00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:45,400
So it's. 
K started 7th, which was a good 

453
00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:48,800
qualifying position for James. 
He seemed to struggle in 96, 

454
00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:51,160
whereas his teammate David, sort
of. 

455
00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:54,400
David Leslie took, took the 
Honda onto new heights. 

456
00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:58,200
But yeah, it he he could have 
won it. 

457
00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:01,760
He probably wouldn't have done 
it even if he'd stayed on track,

458
00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:05,640
but you never know, I guess. 
And if if James thinks he could 

459
00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:07,520
have won it, who? 
Who am I to say otherwise? 

460
00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:11,760
But I'm not sure it's. 
I'm not sure it's that 

461
00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:14,360
realistic. 
Thompson ran the outside line 

462
00:23:14,360 --> 00:23:16,920
into the first corner and 
clipped the front of Rydell's 

463
00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:20,200
Volvo, pitching his Vectra 
sideways, which the Yorkshireman

464
00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:23,160
recovered brilliantly and stayed
in the race. 

465
00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:26,760
Adam, that was some say from 
Thompson. 

466
00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:29,320
There wasn't it? 
Yeah, it wasn't. 

467
00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:33,640
It's just one of those sort of 
typical front wheel drive 

468
00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:36,600
moments where you're thankful 
you're in the front wheel drive 

469
00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:39,800
car because when that happens 
you just you just keep it 

470
00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:42,640
pinned, you know, you just keep 
keep your foot to the floor and 

471
00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:45,640
or change down the gear if you 
get the chance to just to to. 

472
00:23:46,120 --> 00:23:48,000
Just spin the wheels to bring 
you around and you just 

473
00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:50,800
literally nail it until the 
front end comes back round. 

474
00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:52,920
I remember doing strategy. 
Isn't it just if a? 

475
00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:54,400
Significant. 
You have to do it dry car, get 

476
00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:56,880
sideways, boot with bottle and 
just hope the front end comes 

477
00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:58,960
around eventually. 
You have to I do the same, 

478
00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:02,960
exactly the same thing in on the
Saturday practice at brands 

479
00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:06,000
we're on worn tyres script 
tyres. 

480
00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:08,040
So they were they're at the end 
of life and I've just come into 

481
00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:10,760
Paddock and. 
Because on my own I've done, 

482
00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:14,000
it's just done that so but I've 
got the momentum of I've got 

483
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:17,440
sideways, you then start 
dropping down the hill and I'm 

484
00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:20,640
looking out the side of the 
window going sideways down the 

485
00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:22,360
hill. 
But I've just absolutely nailed 

486
00:24:22,360 --> 00:24:25,400
it and I bought it back around. 
But it's all you can do. 

487
00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:28,160
But you have to be thankful that
you're in a front wheel drive 

488
00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:30,080
car in situations like that 
because if that had been smoking

489
00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:33,520
Joe or a vaglia, then in a rear 
wheel drive car you wouldn't 

490
00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:34,920
have had a chance, you'd have 
been straight off into the 

491
00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:37,560
field. 
On to lap two and the race seat 

492
00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:41,320
of Inkle Hawk has his First off 
of the day running wide at Sears

493
00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:44,840
and kicking up the dust. 
Windy conditions and a lot of 

494
00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:47,120
cars going off on that one. 
That meant that certain parts of

495
00:24:47,120 --> 00:24:49,560
the track would be slightly 
slippery with dust for the rest 

496
00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:51,800
of the weekend. 
Attempts to alleviate the 

497
00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:54,720
problem by putting tyre stacks 
on the curves that certain 

498
00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:58,440
corners helped, but Inkle Hawk 
seemed to be more susceptible 

499
00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:02,680
than others on the grid. 
Whenever I was leading and found

500
00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:05,880
the sand, the others could see 
what had happened and make sure 

501
00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:09,960
they didn't do the same thing. 
I find all the trouble for them,

502
00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:11,760
Vinco Hawk remarked after the 
race. 

503
00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:15,320
Ow, it was a dusty day at 
Citizen for that meeting. 

504
00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:17,800
Do you think it was having quite
a big impact there? 

505
00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:22,920
Yes, I mean you can see it on 
the track as the as the cars are

506
00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:25,160
going by, they're kicking up a 
lot of sand and dust. 

507
00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:30,680
I don't know why it was so dusty
that day, but the wind obviously

508
00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:35,880
brought in a lot of it. 
You can see where Winklehot goes

509
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:39,440
off the the the cloud. 
I mean, he does it several times

510
00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:42,400
in this race at various parts of
the track. 

511
00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:43,680
The. 
Problem was, he was bringing all

512
00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:48,760
the crap on himself. 
The next time, but every part of

513
00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:52,480
the track that he goes off, he 
kicks up this big sandstorm or 

514
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:56,640
dust storm. 
And and and even as you say 

515
00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:59,680
James K spun. 
That kicked up a lot of dust. 

516
00:25:59,880 --> 00:26:03,400
There was I think Radysich had a
had a spin at some point as well

517
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:06,000
and that that brought on a lot 
of dusty. 

518
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:07,240
I I don't know. 
There was. 

519
00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:10,800
There was certainly a lot of 
dust in the air and every time 

520
00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:13,240
the car went off it just made it
even worse. 

521
00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:15,560
And yeah, one. 
Thing that you'll see on the 

522
00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:18,040
footage is when he overtakes 
Revaglia at the end of the Revit

523
00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:20,720
straight you just what I think 
he just went in too quick 

524
00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:23,320
because as he's then turned into
the obviously head of the Revit.

525
00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:24,920
To the left, then into the 
right. 

526
00:26:25,120 --> 00:26:29,120
He's not on the right line. 
He's a good half a car wider, 

527
00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:32,440
which has caught him out. 
But you've got to also sort of 

528
00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:34,680
respect the fact that look at 
the job that Revali did for 

529
00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:38,080
probably the first half of the 
race, leading the race with all 

530
00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:40,600
them sort of glued behind him, 
kept it clean and I thought he 

531
00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:42,120
was on for a win when you were 
looking at it. 

532
00:26:42,120 --> 00:26:47,200
So I do. 
It's easy for us to say that Joe

533
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:50,480
Winkler was unlucky but. 
It didn't. 

534
00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:52,120
It didn't affect the value when 
he was in the late did. 

535
00:26:52,120 --> 00:26:53,040
It No, it didn't. 
No. 

536
00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:55,920
Quite right. 
Ravali and now LED from Beeler 

537
00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:59,120
with Bingle Hawk now down into 
5th place behind Alan Menu. 

538
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:03,240
Beeler's second place wouldn't 
last however, as Ryder was soon 

539
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:06,840
passed with the extra weight. 
I'm slower on the straights and 

540
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:10,640
also the tires were quicker too.
I can't even race with the guys 

541
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:13,680
like Bingle, Hawk at the moment,
so I just do my own thing and 

542
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:16,080
see what happens, Beeler said 
after the race. 

543
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:21,320
Scott coming back to you again 
with the Aldis, how frustrating 

544
00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:22,960
do you think this had to be for 
Beeler? 

545
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:26,520
He's sort of dominated the early
part of the season, one race 

546
00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:29,600
after race now feels like he 
can't even keep up with the 

547
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:32,160
leaders, that that must have 
been a pretty frustrating thing 

548
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:33,760
for him. 
Of course. 

549
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:34,880
I mean, it goes to that 
question. 

550
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:37,520
I mean, you look at the fact 
that, as you say, Beeler came in

551
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:40,000
straight away off the bat and 
Audi were the dominant force. 

552
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:42,200
They were the car that everyone 
had to be. 

553
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:44,760
They jumped in straight away at 
the deep end with all the 

554
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:47,280
experience that had racing in 
Germany and in in Italy 

555
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:50,040
beforehand on top of that with 
the A four. 

556
00:27:50,120 --> 00:27:52,720
And then straight away they're 
winning races and they're almost

557
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:54,200
catching everyone else on the 
hop. 

558
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:58,600
And this is all teams like TWR 
and Williams and Ray Malik and 

559
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:01,200
other top teams that are running
cars and have done for several 

560
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:03,120
seasons of the championship. 
And I know Strange, you know 

561
00:28:03,120 --> 00:28:04,680
Schnitzer, BMW on top of it as 
well. 

562
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:06,920
These are all really high 
calibre teams now. 

563
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:09,600
You just come straight in with 
Auk arm and go bang straight 

564
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:11,440
away. 
They're winning races and being 

565
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:14,240
the top car on the grid. 
As I mentioned earlier on the 

566
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:16,960
fact that Toker obviously felt 
something had to be done to 

567
00:28:17,120 --> 00:28:19,200
regulate their performance a 
little bit by adding the weight 

568
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:21,120
penalty, which I think was 
always a bugbear. 

569
00:28:21,120 --> 00:28:23,400
I think with the Audi's, ever 
since that weight penalty 

570
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:27,200
started coming in, it's but it 
wasn't. 

571
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:28,360
Something needed to be done, 
didn't it? 

572
00:28:28,360 --> 00:28:30,560
And you you can imagine the 
pressures from? 

573
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:34,440
Schnitzer from TWR, from 
Vauxhall Ford. 

574
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:37,720
Everyone on Toker and Alan Gout 
that that something needed doing

575
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:40,920
because Alan Gout needed 
something to happen in terms of 

576
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:43,120
the racing. 
You know he wants it to be fair 

577
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:45,240
and a good racing, but also the 
pressures from those 

578
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:46,920
manufacturers would have been 
immense. 

579
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:49,960
Yeah, there was a there was a 
race at Thruxton earlier on in 

580
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:56,400
the season where Beeler had a 10
second penalty at the start, so 

581
00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:59,240
he started from the pit lane 
with a 10 second penalty, so. 

582
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:03,080
We started 10 seconds after 
everyone else and sliced his way

583
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:05,800
through the field and finished 
third if I remember rightly so. 

584
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:10,400
The performance was clearly 
there, too much, there was too 

585
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:14,160
much performance with the Audi 
and and it needed it did need 

586
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:18,720
sort of pegging back I felt for 
Toker because it's really, it's 

587
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:24,040
almost impossible to try and 
have equalisation between front 

588
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:27,560
wheel drive. 
And four wheel drive it's it's 

589
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:29,480
it's it's almost impossible 
because. 

590
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:31,840
And with the rear wheel drive 
BMWs thrown into the mix as. 

591
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:33,080
Well, of course there's that as 
well. 

592
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:34,560
Yeah. 
And and, and that's when. 

593
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:37,520
And then there were, there were 
sort of whispers at this at this

594
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:40,120
race meeting actually that 
people were saying, well, the 

595
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:42,680
BMWs are a bit quick now, can't 
we Chuck a load of weight in 

596
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:45,080
their cars too? 
And I know Schnitzer were 

597
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:47,760
anxiously waiting to see if 
there were going to be any grid,

598
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:50,320
pen grid penalties, weight 
penalties added. 

599
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:54,680
For the British Grand Prix round
at the the the Silverstone 

600
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:57,800
event, as that would have been 
the next time where the ballast 

601
00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:01,280
could have been applied. 
So, so yeah, it's it's. 

602
00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:04,360
It was a very tricky, tricky 
task for Toca to try and keep 

603
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:07,680
everyone happy and keep the cars
as balanced as possible. 

604
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:10,240
Beer and Ali were just a little 
bit sour that they just had 

605
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:12,560
their advantage cut coming 
straight away and being king of 

606
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:15,080
the hill from the outset and all
of a sudden they were now being 

607
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:16,440
pegged back and everyone else 
was with them. 

608
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:18,080
It was just. 
And they were never going to 

609
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:20,200
like it, were they? 
No, they're not like it. 

610
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:22,240
But they've they've had their 
dominance, You know, they've had

611
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:24,760
their time, yeah. 
And also TOCA had to do 

612
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:26,600
something because otherwise it 
would have been a whitewash and 

613
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:28,960
to make it more competitive. 
And Alan, Gal and TOCA all about

614
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:31,720
making the show as competitive 
as possible in touring cars, 

615
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:33,400
regardless of what year and what
era it is. 

616
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:37,440
Then, on lap five, came the 
incident that left even John 

617
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:40,120
Cleland giving only one word, 
answers. 

618
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:44,040
The Scott got clipped by David 
Leslie, allowing Thompson to get

619
00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:46,680
alongside Cleland into the final
chicane. 

620
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:50,240
Thompson carried a lot of speed 
through and ran wide on the 

621
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:54,000
exit, accidentally taking team 
mate Cleland off with him 

622
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:56,240
dropping the scalp from 6th to 
11th. 

623
00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:00,400
There were one or two lunatics 
out there today, Cleland said 

624
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:03,080
after the race. 
And after this included 

625
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:06,040
Thompson, he replied. 
Now that is a question I do not 

626
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:09,920
want to answer. 
How coming to you, can you 

627
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:13,480
understand Cleland's frustration
and and how sort of did you see 

628
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:16,000
the incident? 
Yes, I can understand the 

629
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:20,120
frustration very much because 
John was very much minding his 

630
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:24,560
own business and took a tap from
Leslie from behind, which 

631
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:29,040
pitched his car sideways. 
And as he corrected it, Leslie 

632
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:32,040
had to back off as well. 
And that put Thompson around the

633
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:35,560
outside of the pair of them. 
And and James. 

634
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:38,240
Momentum, though, didn't. 
He yeah, he had the momentum. 

635
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:39,680
He. 
Had the He was there. 

636
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:43,120
Yeah, yeah, he had the momentum 
because obviously John had to. 

637
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:46,600
John has slowed and was and 
Leslie was bulked. 

638
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:50,080
So Tomo had the momentum around 
the outside. 

639
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:53,840
Whether he carried in too much 
speed, I'm not sure. 

640
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:59,720
But yeah, he he ended up getting
around both of them, but taking 

641
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:03,480
himself and John off which. 
I can't imagine would have 

642
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:06,880
pleased the people at Vauxhall 
very much, at least of all John 

643
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:08,680
Cleland. 
I think looking at it, I think 

644
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:13,480
JT put the car more alongside 
Claire than going into the left,

645
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:16,240
coming onto the straight and the
exit, that she came more than he

646
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:18,240
needed to. 
I think he did it purely the 

647
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:20,240
fact that he's his team mate. 
Yeah. 

648
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:23,640
So we so we had to put the car 
there to know that the move was 

649
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:27,800
definitely on in reality if that
had just been somebody else. 

650
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:31,760
Putting your car alongside the 
door, the the front door would 

651
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:34,240
have been enough because you've 
got the line, You'd have ran 

652
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:36,120
them wide over the curb a little
bit and you'd have had the run 

653
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:38,120
up the up the straight and that 
had been done. 

654
00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:40,360
I think it's purely the fact 
that it was his team mate. 

655
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:43,520
He had to make it as clean as 
possible and make sure the car 

656
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:47,920
was fully, fully in front of 
him, but unfortunately by doing 

657
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:51,080
that he took too much momentum 
in there and obviously just you 

658
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:53,440
know. 
Going off, dropping two wheels 

659
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:56,240
off himself, but then obviously 
forcing Cleland off as well. 

660
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:58,600
But you could see what, that 
wasn't intentional. 

661
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:02,040
He just did it purely for that. 
The the momentum, the move was 

662
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:03,840
on. 
But anybody else you did just 

663
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:06,080
put half a car up there and the 
job would have been done. 

664
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:10,000
But you had to make it like 
really convincing because it was

665
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:11,560
his teammate. 
It wasn't quite Hamilton 

666
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:14,680
Rosberg, Spain 2016, was it? 
But it was still. 

667
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:17,320
It's still a situation that I 
think that Ray Malik and Koke 

668
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:20,000
could have done without. 
Leslie was the third party in 

669
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:21,800
the incident and said after the 
race. 

670
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:25,040
John had a wobble through Corum,
so I had to back off and James 

671
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:27,600
came through. 
He was never going to get around

672
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:29,360
John with the extra speed he was
carrying. 

673
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:34,480
It was hilarious to watch. 
My favorite bit about that is 

674
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:38,920
that David Leslie doesn't 
mention why John got a wobble 

675
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:43,160
through Corum, given given his 
gripe in the second race later 

676
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:44,200
on, which you heard about it a 
bit. 

677
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:48,520
That's a bit black, is a given 
that he was actually the 

678
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:49,360
instigation. 
What? 

679
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:50,680
Happened in that first. 
Race. 

680
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:54,120
So it's like, hold a minute, 
you're going to criticize, which

681
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:56,520
will get to you later on. 
Yet you almost completely 

682
00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:59,240
forgotten what you ended up 
doing initially to claim to 

683
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:02,480
start off that incident. 
It's like, OK, just kind of I 

684
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:04,480
like you, David, but still, 
let's just bring you down to 

685
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:07,880
reality here for a second. 
It just makes me laugh like, oh,

686
00:34:08,159 --> 00:34:09,679
John had a wobble through 
quorum. 

687
00:34:09,679 --> 00:34:12,320
They've nothing to do with the 
front of my Honda whatsoever, 

688
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:13,880
like. 
You know, bearing into the back 

689
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:17,239
of a yellow box. 
It may be absolutely in the 1st 

690
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:19,760
place, just just just asking the
question. 

691
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:22,760
So how did John get sideways? 
And Leslie's like, I don't know 

692
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:24,480
it? 
Just happened in front of me. 

693
00:34:26,639 --> 00:34:31,239
By lap 10, BM WS 1/2 had been 
restored as Finkel Hock had made

694
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:36,199
his way back to 2nd place behind
Ravalia. 2 laps later and Smoke 

695
00:34:36,199 --> 00:34:39,800
and Joey made a move on his 
teammate and took the lead for 

696
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:43,840
about 3 seconds. 
The German ran wide again and 

697
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:47,639
slid off into the sand, dropping
down to 5th and having to start 

698
00:34:47,639 --> 00:34:52,360
the comeback all over again. 
Adam Can you quite believe this 

699
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:56,239
series events from a former 
champion of Winkelhok here. 

700
00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:59,080
This I was. 
I was a really big fan of 

701
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:03,200
smoking Joe and I. 
Like many, I wasn't the only 

702
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:05,960
one. 
I just loved these car nature 

703
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:09,480
got relaxed about stuff when he 
was interviewed, poking a 

704
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:12,520
cigarette, hence his nickname. 
But watching it was so 

705
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:16,120
frustrating because he clearly, 
I believe, had the fastest car 

706
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:19,320
and you know, he made obviously 
a mistake and and sort of 

707
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:21,320
dropped back. 
Then you sort of, you know, most

708
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:23,240
races, you sort of done. 
Then you sort of. 

709
00:35:23,720 --> 00:35:26,880
You get punished and you very 
rarely get to recover like that.

710
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:30,000
But because he he did have the 
fastest car at the you know at 

711
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:32,680
that point of the race he clawed
back and got to the front again 

712
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:35,960
and he's like how hard is this 
guy making it, you know he was 

713
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:38,880
so frustrated to watch because I
thought if he had just kept it 

714
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:43,560
clean you know and and not maybe
not tried quite as hard going 

715
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:45,720
into a couple of the corners 
where he made these mistakes. 

716
00:35:45,720 --> 00:35:48,400
I think he'd had just either 
stretched his lead a bit and and

717
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:52,800
had a had a comfortable win, but
like I said earlier, Ravalia. 

718
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:57,280
Did a great job at front on his 
own and you know he was unlucky 

719
00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:00,080
but I think it was definitely 
the quickest car and obviously 

720
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:01,920
he proved that in the in in Race
2. 

721
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:05,280
Rydell was back into second, but
not for long. 

722
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:10,200
As Menu was thrown into second 
himself on lap 14, the Renault 

723
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:12,960
started to look like pressuring 
Ravalio in the lead 2. 

724
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:16,520
Meanwhile, Bealer dropped behind
Winkelhorke and Thompson. 

725
00:36:16,720 --> 00:36:19,760
The Vauxhall's now coming on 
strong in the second-half of the

726
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:22,840
race. 
Cleland was also up into seventh

727
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:27,880
Despite that off during the 
incident with his teammate on 

728
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:30,560
lap 20. 
Rivalia, who was starting to 

729
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:33,960
suffer with tyre problems, 
locked up into the final corner 

730
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:38,480
which allowed Menu alongside 
down the pit straight into 

731
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:42,520
Riches and Rivalia Romenu 
collide, allowing Rydell to make

732
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:47,120
a move inside the BMW. 
Rivalia spun and Rydell's Volvo 

733
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:49,040
was too damaged to carry on as 
well. 

734
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:53,400
Both are out on the spot. 
Menu, who turns in and he hits 

735
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:59,040
Rivalia. 
Rydell goes into the smoke, 

736
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:02,680
Rivalia is spun and James 
Thompson comes through and he 

737
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:07,320
clips the punch of the BMW. 
And Rivalia is out of the race. 

738
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:10,920
My goodness, Rydell is out too. 
We're in the Volvo now. 

739
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:14,400
There's two of them out, two of 
the top three. 

740
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:17,760
Rydell is trying to get back, 
but he's lost steering. 

741
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:21,200
Scott, that was a controversial 
start to lap 21 there. 

742
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:25,440
How does she view that one in 
what was a pretty messy first 

743
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:26,920
quarter? 
So I actually watched this 

744
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:30,200
interview this back just before 
we recorded this, both at full 

745
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:33,240
speed and also in the replay. 
And as much as there are people 

746
00:37:33,240 --> 00:37:35,920
who dislike Rivalia, I'm going 
to put Stick It Nick out and say

747
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:38,720
none of this was his fault. 
Same here, I agree. 

748
00:37:38,720 --> 00:37:39,280
No. 
Yeah. 

749
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:41,880
No, no. 
No, because first of all, menu 

750
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:44,800
turns for the corner when Varale
is clearly there and slams into 

751
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:46,600
the side of it. 
That's that. 

752
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:49,680
That's punch #1. 
He's turned menu, turned in like

753
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:51,520
Ravalia wasn't there. 
Exactly. 

754
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:52,720
Yeah, he was absolutely not 
there. 

755
00:37:52,720 --> 00:37:54,960
Yeah, but he was. 
I I felt sorry for Ravalia. 

756
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:55,760
Really. 
Yeah. 

757
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:57,880
Ravalia has his foibles, as 
we'll talk about in a minute, 

758
00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:01,120
I'm sure, But it's at the same 
time ultimately into that one. 

759
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:03,080
He was involved in an incident 
where he was right to hold the 

760
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:06,880
inside line menu, went for a 
sweep round the outside but 

761
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:09,120
either just turn into a didn't 
realise that Valley was going to

762
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:12,280
hold his line like that, or 
misjudged his speed and his 

763
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:14,560
angle. 
Either way he just clatters into

764
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:16,960
the side of the BMW, which 
understandably causes some kind.

765
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:19,640
If he carried on he would have 
had some kind of aftermath after

766
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:20,680
that. 
If he didn't, I'd have been 

767
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:23,360
vastly surprised. 
And then Valley holds his line 

768
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:25,280
on the inside through the second
part of Richie's. 

769
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:28,320
Rydell tries to squeeze up the 
inside to get the gap and then 

770
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:29,880
just realise he's going to run 
out of room. 

771
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:32,320
He might feel that Ravalia 
squeezed him, but to be fair, 

772
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:34,760
Ravalia held his line. 
He didn't purposely move across,

773
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:36,960
he was trying to take the apex 
as normal. 

774
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:40,600
Ravalia had the line, it was at 
the inside, but you look where 

775
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:43,480
menu turns into him. 
His front wheel hits the front 

776
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:47,160
wheel of Ravalia's. 
It wasn't like he was 3/4 way up

777
00:38:47,240 --> 00:38:51,480
and his menus right rear wheel 
made contact with Ravalia's left

778
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:54,160
front wheel. 
Yeah, they were like side by 

779
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:55,240
side. 
Yeah. 

780
00:38:55,240 --> 00:38:57,320
And so it was Ravalia's corner 
menu. 

781
00:38:57,320 --> 00:38:59,760
Should have gave room. 
And and and carried on. 

782
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:02,920
But he he just winged it did 
they and thought he goes 

783
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:04,640
nothing. 
See, see if I can pull this off.

784
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:08,480
And and it was such a hit that 
that it was the it's such a hit.

785
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:11,840
The menu clattering into 
Rivalia's left hand side almost 

786
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:14,160
practically sent his sent 
Rivalia's right wheel, right 

787
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:15,480
wheels, side wheels up into the 
air. 

788
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:17,440
That was how absolutely severe 
the the hit was. 

789
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:20,400
So I think if Rivali had carried
on, he probably would have only 

790
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:22,960
lasted for how long was left in 
the race and and dropped back a 

791
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:24,360
bit because of the damage that 
he'd had. 

792
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:26,920
And also we also have to 
remember as well as that it was 

793
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:30,520
it wasn't the he also got a 
third little kiss as Thompson 

794
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:32,360
went past as well because 
Thompson passed he. 

795
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:34,520
Thompson got lucky there. 
It could be worse for him. 

796
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:37,880
He did, yeah. 
So, so understandably are those 

797
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:41,480
people don't have a a very 
bright view of of Rivale's time 

798
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:43,920
at BTCC or that they. 
I think to be fair, his 

799
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:47,000
gesticulation at Rydell 
afterwards when he got out of 

800
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:49,800
the car, I think for all his 
foibles, I think was absolutely 

801
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:51,840
justified because he was 
literally innocent party and 

802
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:54,320
that when while down the menu 
had two separate incidents. 

803
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:57,200
And I think in their 
explanations afterwards, I think

804
00:39:57,200 --> 00:40:00,000
it was one of those cases if 
they had a bit of a false belief

805
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,440
that they have more room and 
more right of a line than there 

806
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:04,240
actually really was but there 
was absolutely no line for 

807
00:40:04,240 --> 00:40:06,800
Rydell, the reason why he's cut 
across the grass was was 

808
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:09,080
extraordinary. 
And so he just harpoons the side

809
00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:13,040
of Revali's BMW and wrap around 
he went and that's what did the 

810
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:16,000
second hit which essentially put
him him out on the spot and you 

811
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:18,520
know it's it's it's unfortunate 
that he played out like that but

812
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:21,280
at the same time I think that 
Manuel Rydell could have made 

813
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:22,760
it. 
It's a split. 

814
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:24,320
It's it's it's in the moment. 
It's splits. 

815
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:26,080
Second as a racing driver you 
have to make whatever move you 

816
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:27,240
can. 
I don't get that. 

817
00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:30,000
But at the same time, I think 
they keep looking back at it. 

818
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:32,120
I think maybe with hindsight 
these days to look back at it 

819
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:34,520
and think, yeah, I could have 
made some better choices there 

820
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:36,160
rather than taking the lines 
that I did. 

821
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:39,240
So yeah, but bottom line, not 
regarding his fault that was 

822
00:40:39,240 --> 00:40:41,920
more squarely on menu and 
Rydell's shoulders in their two 

823
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:43,640
separate parts in that. 
And as you talked about, 

824
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:46,600
Thompson gave the the fine 
little love tap as he went past.

825
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:48,880
I think was very lucky not to be
involved more in that. 

826
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:53,520
Menu then LED from Finkelhawk, 
but coming into the Esses at 

827
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:55,680
Finkelhawk again threw it all 
the way. 

828
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:59,720
Instead of running wide this 
time, he would spin the car and 

829
00:40:59,720 --> 00:41:04,920
rejoin down in fifth, then only 
a few 100 yards up the track 

830
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:08,160
menu himself were grind to a 
halt with his Renault suffering 

831
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:12,320
from ignition failure. 
At this point, Alex is one of 

832
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:15,840
the most bonkers ending sewer 
race and the history of the 

833
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:18,240
entire BTCC, not just super 
Touring. 

834
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:21,840
Yeah, I mean, it's bizarre, 
isn't it? 

835
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:23,600
There's two. 
It seems like nobody wants to 

836
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:27,000
win this race. 
You know Rivalia as Adam said 

837
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:29,960
earlier had LED actually the 
majority of the race because his

838
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:35,720
teammate just kept throwing it 
off the track and sadly then you

839
00:41:35,720 --> 00:41:38,240
know as you explained earlier 
started suffering with the tires

840
00:41:38,240 --> 00:41:46,040
and menu was closing on him and 
and yeah I, I, I echo the the 

841
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:49,240
comments on them from Scott and 
Adam about that first corner 

842
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:53,760
what. 
What Menu was doing, it was just

843
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:55,280
going to sit. 
It was like he was there, just 

844
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:57,200
going, well, I'm going to turn 
in whether you're there or not 

845
00:41:57,200 --> 00:42:02,320
anyway, and just did it and you 
know, yeah, he. 

846
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:04,520
Took a risk and he backfired 
there. 

847
00:42:04,720 --> 00:42:09,760
Yeah, and yeah, he he the the 
Rydell thing was bizarre. 

848
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:11,560
I don't know what he was doing 
there. 

849
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:17,200
And yeah, the three of them were
out and then it's just bizarre, 

850
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:19,280
isn't it? 
I can't recall another touring 

851
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:23,080
car race. 
That had so many people retire. 

852
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:26,880
They from the top three or four 
positions within the space of 1 

853
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:28,400
lap. 
I I I just can't. 

854
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:30,680
I can't think of another race 
that that happens. 

855
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:35,040
So yeah, one of the most bizarre
and bonkers into a a touring car

856
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:37,520
race ever. 
Could you imagine being James 

857
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:41,920
Thompson at that time with all 
this car dust, sand, mud, 

858
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:44,920
wheels, bumpers, wings, wing 
mirrors, everything flying 

859
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:46,560
everywhere? 
And he's sort of like NASCAR, 

860
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:48,640
come out the smoke the other 
side and gone. 

861
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:51,880
Yeah, I'm lady. 
Where, where, where is 

862
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:54,560
everybody? 
He starts lap, he starts lap 21 

863
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:57,760
fifth and he ends at first. 
It's bizarre. 

864
00:42:57,760 --> 00:42:59,520
It's absolutely bizarre. 
He's looking left. 

865
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:01,640
He's seen Rivalia Rydell off in 
1 field. 

866
00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:03,680
He's lit dry, you see. 
Menus stopped. 

867
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:05,840
It must have been Christmas 
birthday. 

868
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:08,360
All at what? 
All 21 of his birthdays, all at 

869
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:09,560
once by that. 
Absolutely. 

870
00:43:09,720 --> 00:43:12,600
Christmas came early. 
Been that day, he must he he 

871
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:14,800
must have felt like Patrese in 
Monaco 82. 

872
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:15,640
He spun it off. 
And then? 

873
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:18,680
He came back three. 
This was literally BTCC's Monaco

874
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:21,200
82 MO, and he came through to 
win the race after spinning it 

875
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:23,000
early on. 
And it was a race where 

876
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:24,800
literally no one wanted to win 
it. 

877
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:27,400
At some point, I think between 
all four of them, not sure 

878
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:29,400
Rydell LED, but Menu had to turn
him a lead. 

879
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:32,560
Wengerhot did, Ravalli did, and 
maybe somebody else that's both 

880
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:35,320
remembering back alongside 
Thompson and they all hit their 

881
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:37,480
own dramas. 
And it's like I was almost like 

882
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:39,160
I can always hear James Hunt 
saying the same thing. 

883
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:41,280
So you know, was wait, sit at 
the start line waiting for the 

884
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:43,160
check with the checkered flag, 
waiting for a winner to come by.

885
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:46,120
We don't seem to be getting one 
because of retiring and taking 

886
00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:47,600
each other out, which is quite 
ironic so. 

887
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:50,400
Watching the footage, I thought,
I thought that the Ryder was 

888
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:52,040
going to get the win because you
start. 

889
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:54,800
He was starting to become strong
coming onto the Revit straight. 

890
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:58,960
BMW seemed to start not being as
strong coming onto the Revit 

891
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:01,400
straight, but that's where the 
Volvo started to pull on him. 

892
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:03,680
He seemed to have a better drive
coming onto the Revit straight 

893
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:06,160
and you could see the Volvo was 
sort of gaining on him. 

894
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:09,040
Where the where the tires were 
going off a bit on the BMW so he

895
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:12,120
couldn't, you know, But yeah, he
just shows you just how things 

896
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:14,920
can change. 
The drama somehow didn't end 

897
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:18,480
there though, with Ravalia 
storming into the Volvo warning 

898
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:20,400
to try and have it out with 
Rydell. 

899
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:24,480
However, he soon viewed the 
video footage and as a result of

900
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:27,200
this, his attention turned to 
menu instead. 

901
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:31,440
Everything I said about Rydell, 
you can now say about menu 

902
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:33,600
instead, he proclaimed after the
race. 

903
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:37,480
Menu was on the other side of 
the track and just flew across 

904
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:40,240
into me. 
I take it all back about Rydell,

905
00:44:40,240 --> 00:44:44,240
Rivalia continued. 
His rant intercluded the classic

906
00:44:44,240 --> 00:44:45,720
line. 
And I'll try and say this 

907
00:44:45,720 --> 00:44:49,240
without chuckling too much. 
Why does he need to wear a 

908
00:44:49,240 --> 00:44:51,480
helmet if he doesn't have a 
brain? 

909
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:54,080
I think you should have said 
that in Italian. 

910
00:44:57,600 --> 00:45:00,800
Adam, do you think Rivalia had 
fair reasoning to feel so 

911
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:03,000
aggrieved at this incident? 
I think we've touched on it 

912
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:05,760
quite a bit. 
I think we have, but I just, I 

913
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:08,720
do feel a bit sorry for him 
because he did such a great job 

914
00:45:08,720 --> 00:45:10,760
at the beginning of the race, 
nice and clean. 

915
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:13,480
Everyone was sort of pretty much
glued behind him, waiting for 

916
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:16,040
him to make a mistake. 
But you know, everyone is apps, 

917
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:18,520
you know they're driving 110% 
round there. 

918
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:20,680
No one's sort of bidding their 
time here. 

919
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:24,040
You know in touring cars, you're
driving flat out from the word 

920
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:26,240
go. 
So he did a great job in the 

921
00:45:26,240 --> 00:45:27,840
lead. 
I thought, especially with the 

922
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:30,200
toe that you could get down the 
Revit straight as well, you know

923
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:32,400
the hole in the air that he was 
creating for everybody else. 

924
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:34,920
So I did, I think he did a 
splendid job and then all of a 

925
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:37,600
sudden for men, you to do what 
he did and take literally a risk

926
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:42,120
where he should have gave him a 
bit of room and then it all just

927
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:45,160
ended for him. 
So I felt he deserved a lot more

928
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:49,160
than what he actually got. 
So yeah, I completely agree with

929
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:53,440
Rivalia and and how it ended for
him because I don't think he 

930
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:58,320
deserved it. 
My one what I'm puzzled about is

931
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:03,760
that somebody has shown Rivalia 
that footage and he's suddenly 

932
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:05,880
thinking, oh, Ricard did nothing
wrong. 

933
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:11,040
I think you can see then 
realized that like why was I in 

934
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:12,520
the position that Ricard was 
trying? 

935
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:16,840
I'm in that position because 
Alain has caused that whole. 

936
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:19,600
Carnage at turn one. 
And was it not the front 

937
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:23,120
suspension on the BMW or 
Ravalli's BMW that caved in 

938
00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:25,960
because of the impact? 
Yes, yeah, that. 

939
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:27,880
Probably because it was a Fair 
Work menu game. 

940
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:29,920
Oh, it was a fair way. 
You think the speed they're 

941
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:33,680
going like, you know, it's a 
quick entry into there. 

942
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:37,000
So if it's that impact, you 
know, wheel on wheel that's some

943
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:39,200
force? 
I've seen the footage. 

944
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:42,880
Too many responded to Rivalia. 
I gave him room. 

945
00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:47,120
Not a lot, but it was enough. 
Sorry. 

946
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:51,040
Do you think the Turkish do has 
laughed like we did? 

947
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:55,440
When when he, when he got, when 
he made that comment, I I I gave

948
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:56,680
a room. 
Oh, so the front space just 

949
00:46:56,680 --> 00:47:01,720
broke by itself then? 
Yeah, I gave him room. 

950
00:47:01,720 --> 00:47:07,640
Not a lot, but it was enough to 
get a BMW or two free. 

951
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:11,440
The reason there's enough room 
for a BMW to get through there 

952
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:13,400
is because it was already there 
when he turned in. 

953
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:16,000
Yeah, yeah. 
The problem was because there 

954
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:18,440
was one alongside him in the 
first place. 

955
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:21,440
It's like. 
Ravalia would receive a verbal 

956
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:24,680
warning after the race for 
attempting to physically punch 

957
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:28,520
Ricard Rydell, as well as 
verbally, who was not injured in

958
00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:31,360
the scuffle. 
Alan Gall intervened and told 

959
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:35,040
Autosport after he saw the tape 
of the incident, he saw the 

960
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:37,680
error of his ways. 
And they had strong words with 

961
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:39,840
him in private. 
And he subsequently went to 

962
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:44,200
apologize to Ricard Scott. 
I think obviously we said that 

963
00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:47,120
maybe Ravalli wasn't too at 
fault in that incident. 

964
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:50,360
He didn't really win many 
friends though, during his time 

965
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:53,280
in the BTCC, did he? 
No, he didn't. 

966
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:54,520
No. 
Just one thing I'm going to 

967
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:56,480
mention just before that and 
this, this. 

968
00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:58,720
The genuinely quite fortunate, I
think, typo in the script is. 

969
00:47:58,720 --> 00:47:59,800
So I'm not actually pointing 
out. 

970
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:01,480
Just a shame. 
It's genuine quite funny and 

971
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:04,080
quite ironic is that the script 
we've got here it says he got a 

972
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:06,800
verbal warning after attempting 
to punch rock hard Rydell. 

973
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:08,800
I think that quite sometimes 
quite well given the fact that 

974
00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:11,680
you just had to receive a punch.
So I think actually say whether 

975
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:13,520
the the typo or not. 
That's actually quite a good way

976
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:17,080
to describe it given he. 
Managed to survive that on the 

977
00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:18,720
point of Ravali, I think. 
Yeah. 

978
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:20,760
He only did two seasons of a 
championship for one. 

979
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:23,280
Remember, he did part seasons in
94 and 96. 

980
00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:26,520
He was somewhat a bit like Steve
Soper was and that he was there 

981
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:29,240
to do a job for BMW. 
He was not a permanent champion 

982
00:48:29,240 --> 00:48:30,760
contender. 
The main person who was there to

983
00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:33,200
support primarily in both cases 
really. 

984
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:36,880
Soper was there to in his days 
in BMW to support first Tim 

985
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:38,960
Harvey and then Jerk and Ben 
Cock. 

986
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:42,560
Although I think serpeted more 
of a title title tilt in 93 and 

987
00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:44,880
then kind of settled into being 
the kind of guy that they 

988
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:47,040
parachuted in wherever they 
needed him. 

989
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:49,680
Same really with Vivalia. 
I mean in fact he was a good 

990
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:51,840
enough driver of course he he 
was the first ever World Touring

991
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:55,520
Car champion 87 or part of those
two the the the driver conboys 

992
00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:57,600
did it. 
So skill was there and the fact 

993
00:48:57,600 --> 00:49:00,440
he won a couple of races and 
BTCBTCC was there. 

994
00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:04,320
But what let's say next is pure.
I think the the viewpoint of 

995
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:07,840
BTCC drivers when I say this 
next bit and not not myself is 

996
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:11,360
that I think there was fair 
people in the BTCC padding 

997
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:12,960
certain drivers. 
It viewed him as often more than

998
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:16,640
a just an Italian prat basically
in terms of where he was in 

999
00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:17,480
terms of that. 
That's the thing. 

1000
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:19,480
I mean if you look at other 
instance he was involved in, I 

1001
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:22,200
think the two which stand out 
was that he very sort of rudely 

1002
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:24,400
shoved Paul Ratatich off at 
Brands Hatch. 

1003
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:25,920
I'm not sure these these are 
both on the same weekend. 

1004
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:28,200
I can't remember. 
But at Brands Hatch he shoved 

1005
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:31,840
him off the road and then when 
when Rallis each went to go and 

1006
00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:34,880
have a word with him about it, 
he was caught on camera and 

1007
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:37,600
Ravali simply ended his 
conversation with and I go where

1008
00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:40,080
I like in terms of basically 
saying, look, I don't give a 

1009
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:42,360
damn what you think, I'll put my
car exactly where you want. 

1010
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:45,360
It's the same as menu with with 
rally on him but I'm going to 

1011
00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:47,040
put my car where I want if 
you're going to have an accident

1012
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:48,400
it's your choice if we have it 
or not. 

1013
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:51,480
And then the the one which he 
didn't cover himself in glory 

1014
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:53,800
with and he tried to explain it 
away to the cameras afterwards 

1015
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:56,680
and wasn't faulting anyone was 
right at the last race of the 

1016
00:49:56,680 --> 00:49:58,440
season when he. 
I don't know if maybe this is 

1017
00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:01,080
this is I think was it whether 
it was retaliation or kind of 

1018
00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:03,960
payback for Stetson or so I'm 
not sure thinking about it 

1019
00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:06,800
possibly because when of course 
menu is batting the second of 

1020
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:08,920
the championship or second of. 
Yeah the second of the 

1021
00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:10,320
championship. 
I think we've got was still one 

1022
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:13,720
of the competitors in it And 
Ravalli comes down to the pits 

1023
00:50:13,720 --> 00:50:16,360
and then just conveniently finds
himself in the if it finds 

1024
00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:19,160
himself off the pace a little 
bit which he tries to explain 

1025
00:50:19,160 --> 00:50:21,640
and happens to be happens to be 
in front about that menu when it

1026
00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:23,760
happens. 
And then oh just by coincidence 

1027
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:27,040
Peter Cox thinks I'll sneak up 
the inside and try and form a 

1028
00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:29,800
pincer movement if I don't mind 
And then but menu couldn't 

1029
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:31,720
believe it and he even set 
himself on the camera I think he

1030
00:50:31,720 --> 00:50:33,720
said we could do without this 
guy BTCC. 

1031
00:50:33,720 --> 00:50:34,680
Yeah. 
Like, kind of just, you know, 

1032
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:37,560
you couldn't believe it. 
And even Murray Walker couldn't 

1033
00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:38,960
believe it. 
He was like, oh, he's blocking 

1034
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:40,560
menu. 
I've never seen that before. 

1035
00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:43,600
And it's like, yeah, just 
Ravalli was a talented driver, 

1036
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:46,840
but at the same time he was very
much someone who was a team 

1037
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:48,880
player and he played the game 
with BMW in terms. 

1038
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:51,400
Of but it it it also had a long 
relationship with BMW, hadn't 

1039
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:52,920
he? 
So yeah, some time. 

1040
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:55,680
But like you said, if you have 
the incident with Radders Hitch,

1041
00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:58,120
really likable guy, good fan 
base. 

1042
00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:02,160
But he's also a team mate to 
Winkler, who was also a huge 

1043
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:04,920
star and had a massive fan base.
So. 

1044
00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:08,240
You're not really going to be 
that well liked if you're having

1045
00:51:08,240 --> 00:51:12,120
incidents with the likes of 
Radisich and causing, you know, 

1046
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:15,160
causing a load of issues. 
And you're never going to be as 

1047
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:16,840
liked as the likes of Wincock 
either. 

1048
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:21,120
So, you know, he did make it 
tough for himself, but he was a 

1049
00:51:21,120 --> 00:51:23,600
bloody good driver, wasn't he? 
He was, yeah. 

1050
00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:26,080
But had these moments where you 
you just sort of felt like just 

1051
00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:27,560
felt like a disappointed parent,
didn't you? 

1052
00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:29,400
At times like, oh what are you 
doing? 

1053
00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:32,080
You can't do that. 
And it comes out with some 

1054
00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:35,560
comments you're like you can't 
say that but yeah but he said he

1055
00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:38,320
was just a full on team player. 
It's just go back to the instant

1056
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:40,400
when you block menus. 
Like I think if we if that gets 

1057
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:42,600
covered as as one of what 
happens to the future episodes. 

1058
00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:45,240
I think just hearing the audio 
from Rivalia literally trying to

1059
00:51:45,240 --> 00:51:47,920
explain away what happens and I 
I don't know what happened just 

1060
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:50,720
the car was off the bit of pace 
from earlier on I don't happen 

1061
00:51:50,720 --> 00:51:52,840
and menu tried to get past and 
he just have to build the same 

1062
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:56,320
line as I was now the cameras 
caused it all mate didn't 

1063
00:51:56,320 --> 00:51:59,960
blocked him let's let's let's 
not beat around the Bush here 

1064
00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:03,040
you put your car on the on that 
car line to stop menu getting 

1065
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:05,600
through and to help Cox try and 
get past take points off let's 

1066
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:06,720
be real here that's what 
happened. 

1067
00:52:06,720 --> 00:52:10,040
So yeah, I agree with Adam that 
one is that fast driver, no 

1068
00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:13,040
doubt and obviously that he was 
87 world touring car champ for a

1069
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:15,040
reason. 
But at the same time I think 

1070
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:17,640
that his way of going about 
things and trying to play the 

1071
00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:20,320
team game was a bit was at the 
time I think something which 

1072
00:52:20,600 --> 00:52:23,960
yeah that that those of the the 
fairest, the the fairer side of 

1073
00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:25,600
BTC. 
He's he's one of the old school 

1074
00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:28,400
ones where if he needed to play 
dirty he would play dirty. 

1075
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:30,040
He was. 
And I think the guys who are 

1076
00:52:30,040 --> 00:52:32,200
like the, you know the the the 
Patrick Watts and the John 

1077
00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:34,280
Clemens and the Paul Ratte, each
of this world who were slightly 

1078
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:37,560
more kind of doing it the old 
fashioned more gentlemanly way 

1079
00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:40,040
in terms of racing hard but fair
and find themselves on the wrong

1080
00:52:40,040 --> 00:52:42,280
side more often than not. 
I think they were the kind of 

1081
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:44,320
people who he jumped into the 
series and they've been there 

1082
00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:47,720
for several years beforehand and
obviously his way of going about

1083
00:52:47,720 --> 00:52:50,760
things didn't quite to them. 
It wasn't, it wasn't cricket, it

1084
00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:52,280
wasn't the the way in which we 
did things. 

1085
00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:54,760
We raised hard but fair but not 
did things that was going to 

1086
00:52:55,120 --> 00:52:58,120
cause problems. 
So yeah, fast, but I think it's 

1087
00:52:58,120 --> 00:53:02,320
for to some in the BCCC paddock.
A bit, a bit flawed I think in 

1088
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:03,680
some cases, but definitely had 
the speed. 

1089
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:06,880
And with all that said, let's 
now hear what the drivers told 

1090
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:09,520
the BBC in the paddock after the
race. 

1091
00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:14,000
Well, here comes Roberto Ravalli
has battered BMW and a very 

1092
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:18,120
angry Roberto. 
There he is and he's going into 

1093
00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:20,880
Ryder's Volvo garage. 
But Ricard's all right, he's 

1094
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:24,160
round the back. 
Roberto, Roberto, Roberto. 

1095
00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:27,040
Just a bit too many cars into 
the first corner really. 

1096
00:53:27,080 --> 00:53:30,680
We tried to go three rest into 
the first corner and somehow I 

1097
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:33,080
think Menu and Raval get touched
1st and then. 

1098
00:53:33,720 --> 00:53:36,480
They went into me and it was 
just not not enough room for 

1099
00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:38,600
three cars. 
Well, what happened? 

1100
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:41,800
It's very clear that I let me 
know. 

1101
00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:44,640
Was doing something that 
normally a professional driver 

1102
00:53:46,120 --> 00:53:48,360
cannot do. 
I mean, I don't know what he 

1103
00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:50,760
wants to do in this moment. 
They crashed in my car, It was 

1104
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:54,800
outside and it's something that 
also I would like to ask him 

1105
00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:57,600
what he was doing. 
Are you going to ask him? 

1106
00:53:58,160 --> 00:54:00,440
Well, I know it's enough to see 
the video. 

1107
00:54:01,600 --> 00:54:04,880
I got I had a better exit break 
on the inside for Russell so I 

1108
00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:06,280
had a better exit out of the 
corner. 

1109
00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:08,680
I was a bit quicker first like 
half the straight. 

1110
00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:12,280
Then he called me back and I 
thought, you know, OK no man, 

1111
00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:14,840
I'm going to try to go around 
the outside and if I go off I go

1112
00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:17,760
off and and retouch. 
But but it it worked And then I 

1113
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:21,640
think Rider pushed him off and 
then I had a big lead and then 

1114
00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:23,760
then the engine, everything just
got. 

1115
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:26,640
I mean I had no no ignition in 
any anymore. 

1116
00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:30,680
Thompson then duly saw off the 
final two laps without any more 

1117
00:54:30,680 --> 00:54:33,080
dramas. 
And crossed the line to take his

1118
00:54:33,080 --> 00:54:38,600
second ever BTCC victory and 
more importantly the first BTCC 

1119
00:54:38,600 --> 00:54:42,880
win for the new Vauxhall Vectra.
After the race he told the press

1120
00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:46,440
it would have been nice to have 
won the race by overtaking cars,

1121
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:50,240
not inheriting places, but it is
just nice to be back at the top 

1122
00:54:50,240 --> 00:54:53,160
of the podium. 
Those last few laps were pretty 

1123
00:54:53,160 --> 00:54:57,040
unbelievable, weren't they? 
Thompson had hoped that it would

1124
00:54:57,040 --> 00:54:59,840
also silence the detractors. 
He said that he wasn't the same 

1125
00:54:59,840 --> 00:55:03,440
driver as he was before his 
testing accident at Knockhill in

1126
00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:07,240
1995. 
Alex, was it wrong if people 

1127
00:55:07,240 --> 00:55:10,080
suggest that Thompson hadn't 
been the same since that testing

1128
00:55:10,080 --> 00:55:13,840
shunt? 
Yes, I think it was very unfair 

1129
00:55:13,840 --> 00:55:19,880
actually, because Tom had a 
great 1995 at one at Thruxton in

1130
00:55:19,880 --> 00:55:23,080
only his fifth race as a as a 
Vauxhall works driver. 

1131
00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:28,960
As a 21 year old I think was the
youngest BTCC winner at the 

1132
00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:31,840
time. 
He broke the record there and 

1133
00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:35,080
obviously had had his testing 
accident which curtailed his 

1134
00:55:35,080 --> 00:55:36,720
season. 
He didn't race again and Mike 

1135
00:55:36,720 --> 00:55:40,320
Briggs came across to race for 
the rest of the season in the 

1136
00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:45,960
Cavalier and and and Thompson 
come back in in in for 1996 and 

1137
00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:50,320
people were saying he wasn't the
same and that's very unfair 

1138
00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:51,960
because. 
It's easy to. 

1139
00:55:52,040 --> 00:55:53,720
Criticize him and someone in 
that position. 

1140
00:55:53,880 --> 00:55:56,120
Absolutely, yeah. 
But the car wasn't the same. 

1141
00:55:56,240 --> 00:55:58,600
Yeah, the the Cavalier had just 
won the championship. 

1142
00:55:59,880 --> 00:56:02,120
It was a race winning car. 
It was a championship winning 

1143
00:56:02,120 --> 00:56:03,280
car. 
It was a front runner. 

1144
00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:06,600
This was a brand new Vectra 
which had never been raced 

1145
00:56:06,600 --> 00:56:09,200
before. 
It was being raced in Britain 

1146
00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:14,080
for the first year before going 
elsewhere in in Europe to race 

1147
00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:16,280
and. 
It it it it. 

1148
00:56:16,600 --> 00:56:19,200
You're not comparing like for 
like it. 

1149
00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:21,600
Thompson wasn't jumping back 
into a race winning, 

1150
00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:24,320
championship winning car. 
You know if he was jumping back 

1151
00:56:24,320 --> 00:56:26,440
into the Audi, he'd have been 
winning races, I'm sure, no 

1152
00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:28,440
doubt about it. 
If he was in the BMW he'd have 

1153
00:56:28,440 --> 00:56:31,120
been winning races. 
He jumped back into a car that 

1154
00:56:31,120 --> 00:56:33,720
had taken the backward step in 
competitiveness. 

1155
00:56:34,720 --> 00:56:36,280
Compared to the car he was 
driving before. 

1156
00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:39,600
So yeah, I don't think it was 
fair at all that people were 

1157
00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:42,080
saying that, that he wasn't the 
same driver and no. 

1158
00:56:42,080 --> 00:56:44,200
One mentioned anything about 
Cleland not winning immediately,

1159
00:56:44,200 --> 00:56:45,160
Did they? 
No, exactly. 

1160
00:56:45,160 --> 00:56:47,240
Yeah. 
And, and let's be honest, Tomah 

1161
00:56:47,240 --> 00:56:50,560
went on to prove that that 
accident did absolutely nothing 

1162
00:56:51,040 --> 00:56:53,480
to stop his career because he 
went on and had a fabulous 

1163
00:56:53,480 --> 00:56:55,280
career in touring cars and 
motorsport. 

1164
00:56:56,240 --> 00:56:59,520
Wheeler took second with Clement
rounding out the podium and 

1165
00:56:59,520 --> 00:57:03,160
taking third place, which was 
the reigning champions first 

1166
00:57:03,160 --> 00:57:08,200
podium finish of the season. 
Tim Harvey also gave Peugeot a 

1167
00:57:08,200 --> 00:57:12,200
much needed shot in the arm, 
with 4th place by far the best 

1168
00:57:12,200 --> 00:57:14,520
result yet for the new 4A6 
model. 

1169
00:57:18,680 --> 00:57:21,920
Race two was all about 
Winkelhock, and for all the 

1170
00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:25,320
drama of race one, this one was 
a much more calm affair. 

1171
00:57:26,200 --> 00:57:29,760
Winklehock stormed into a huge 
lead which he would never lose, 

1172
00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:33,440
whilst Cleland took second and 
his second podium of the day. 

1173
00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:37,880
In fact, the biggest drama of 
the second race was the battle 

1174
00:57:37,880 --> 00:57:41,280
between Beeler and Leslie. 
Beeler went for a move at the 

1175
00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:44,840
final chicane on lap 15, which 
saw Leslie spin out in 

1176
00:57:44,840 --> 00:57:47,520
retirement. 
Beeler would be subsequently 

1177
00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:50,120
disqualified from the race for 
that move. 

1178
00:57:51,280 --> 00:57:53,120
After the race he said to the 
media. 

1179
00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:56,800
I've apologised to David. 
But it was still just a racing 

1180
00:57:56,800 --> 00:58:01,200
incident for me. 
Adam, do you agree with Beela 

1181
00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:03,440
there or do you think it was a 
pretty fair decision to 

1182
00:58:03,440 --> 00:58:07,200
disqualify even during the race?
Yeah, yeah, 100%. 

1183
00:58:07,200 --> 00:58:10,880
Needy, needy, punishing for it 
because you know, he's put. 

1184
00:58:10,880 --> 00:58:13,640
I apologize to David, but it was
still just a racing incident for

1185
00:58:13,640 --> 00:58:16,200
me, right? 
Well, what else was he going to 

1186
00:58:16,200 --> 00:58:17,840
say really? 
Because his body felt was a bit 

1187
00:58:17,840 --> 00:58:19,840
embarrassed by it. 
But if Leslie had done that to 

1188
00:58:19,840 --> 00:58:23,480
him, what would he have said? 
And and coming coming out like 

1189
00:58:23,600 --> 00:58:26,800
quorum and into that chicane 
there where he basically T boned

1190
00:58:26,800 --> 00:58:30,840
him like you're carrying you are
counting a lot of speeds for 

1191
00:58:30,840 --> 00:58:32,480
that double right-hander before 
you hit the brakes. 

1192
00:58:32,480 --> 00:58:35,080
But you hit the brakes so late 
and you carry quite a bit of 

1193
00:58:35,080 --> 00:58:39,560
speed into that chicane. 
Any any overtake into there, if 

1194
00:58:39,560 --> 00:58:42,560
you pull it off is a good one 
because it's rare that you see 

1195
00:58:42,560 --> 00:58:45,760
one that's clean because you're 
only into the right-hander for a

1196
00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:48,080
short period of time before you 
then go on to the left-hander 

1197
00:58:48,080 --> 00:58:49,800
which pulls you back onto the 
pit straight. 

1198
00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:53,520
So it's rare you'll see an 
overtaking today because of how 

1199
00:58:53,520 --> 00:58:57,040
late you're breaking. 
So yeah, he just got it 

1200
00:58:57,040 --> 00:58:58,920
completely. 
It was, it just looked like a 

1201
00:58:58,920 --> 00:59:01,040
desperate move. 
He was struggling. 

1202
00:59:01,040 --> 00:59:03,600
He was off the pace. 
He just looked like a desperate,

1203
00:59:03,600 --> 00:59:06,640
desperate move and he just got 
it completely wrong and just T 

1204
00:59:06,640 --> 00:59:09,560
boned him, basically. 
And yeah, I think he got what 

1205
00:59:10,080 --> 00:59:11,760
what he deserved on that one, 
unfortunately. 

1206
00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:17,600
But yeah, the move was never on 
in the past when people, not the

1207
00:59:17,680 --> 00:59:19,160
people, often knocked him into 
retirement. 

1208
00:59:19,840 --> 00:59:23,440
The decision has been to 
penalise the person doing the 

1209
00:59:23,440 --> 00:59:26,280
wrong the same way really hit me
point blank. 

1210
00:59:26,600 --> 00:59:29,600
Not a hope on hella getting 
around the corner. 100% blame 

1211
00:59:30,840 --> 00:59:34,320
signs now I would say, of a team
turning very desperate because 

1212
00:59:34,320 --> 00:59:35,880
the rest of us are getting 
there. 

1213
00:59:36,360 --> 00:59:39,760
Scott, some strong words there 
from David Leslie about Audi. 

1214
00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:43,040
Was he right do you think? 
I think so. 

1215
00:59:43,160 --> 00:59:45,400
It goes back to the conversation
we've had already in this in 

1216
00:59:45,400 --> 00:59:47,880
this podcast about the fact that
Audi was struggling with this 

1217
00:59:47,880 --> 00:59:50,560
weight penalty. 
And yeah, given the fact that if

1218
00:59:50,560 --> 00:59:53,440
you look at where they were this
weekend compared to again the 

1219
00:59:53,440 --> 00:59:57,240
Volvo, the BMWs, the Renaults, 
the holders getting up there as 

1220
00:59:57,240 --> 01:00:00,720
well, the Vauxhalls too. 
As as David rightly said, the 

1221
01:00:00,720 --> 01:00:02,640
rest of them, we're getting 
there, they're getting to that 

1222
01:00:02,640 --> 01:00:05,720
point where Audi had been 
figured out, have been found out

1223
01:00:05,800 --> 01:00:08,640
effectively their 4 wheel drive 
advantage was being negated. 

1224
01:00:08,640 --> 01:00:11,040
You know, the extra weight 
penalty was starting to hurt 

1225
01:00:11,040 --> 01:00:12,920
them, particularly on certain 
kinds of circuits. 

1226
01:00:13,360 --> 01:00:15,320
Yes, they've built up enough of 
an advantage where they had 

1227
01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:17,000
quite a lead in the Championship
anyway. 

1228
01:00:17,280 --> 01:00:19,600
But ultimately this is the 
second-half of the season where 

1229
01:00:19,600 --> 01:00:21,800
you know these cars and teams 
are starting to figure out what 

1230
01:00:21,800 --> 01:00:24,720
they need to do to get on top of
Howdy's strengths and take 

1231
01:00:24,720 --> 01:00:27,320
advantage of their weaknesses. 
And the weakness seems to be you

1232
01:00:27,320 --> 01:00:29,640
add more weight to it and the 
car just becomes completely out 

1233
01:00:29,640 --> 01:00:31,040
sorts and not where it should 
be. 

1234
01:00:31,040 --> 01:00:33,360
I mean if you'll also look at an
example where Binkliff was as 

1235
01:00:33,360 --> 01:00:36,480
well, Binkliff was way back in 
in race one of course and had a 

1236
01:00:36,520 --> 01:00:40,160
a slide at at Richie's corner 
and he was way back in race 2 as

1237
01:00:40,160 --> 01:00:41,440
well. 
And and being that, as we've 

1238
01:00:41,440 --> 01:00:44,080
heard was actually nowhere near 
he wants to be compared to where

1239
01:00:44,080 --> 01:00:45,200
they've been at the start of the
season. 

1240
01:00:45,200 --> 01:00:48,920
So I think, I think part of that
obviously would have come from 

1241
01:00:49,040 --> 01:00:55,280
Lesse's I think abject and and 
perfectly understandable 

1242
01:00:55,280 --> 01:00:57,920
frustration and annoyance that 
he'd been harpooned out of the 

1243
01:00:57,920 --> 01:00:59,800
race by being and making such a 
desperate move. 

1244
01:00:59,800 --> 01:01:01,840
And I think anyone would and 
anyone of us that had that 

1245
01:01:01,840 --> 01:01:04,520
happen to us if we were in Davis
situation would be full 

1246
01:01:04,520 --> 01:01:07,840
absolutely the same same way. 
So I think he's absolutely right

1247
01:01:07,840 --> 01:01:10,880
in that Audi's advantage was 
starting to be snuffed out a 

1248
01:01:10,880 --> 01:01:11,920
bit. 
There were still bits of weather

1249
01:01:11,920 --> 01:01:13,480
was still strong. 
The four wheel drive so had its 

1250
01:01:13,480 --> 01:01:15,800
advantages here and there but 
the weight was really starting 

1251
01:01:15,800 --> 01:01:17,640
to hurt them particularly on a 
hot dusty day. 

1252
01:01:17,640 --> 01:01:20,080
Even wear on dusty conditions. 
The forge. 

1253
01:01:20,080 --> 01:01:21,640
I should have been a massive 
advantage in some of those 

1254
01:01:21,640 --> 01:01:23,440
corners. 
The extra weight was what was 

1255
01:01:23,440 --> 01:01:26,960
happening than the most and the 
fact that that as we talked 

1256
01:01:26,960 --> 01:01:29,360
about just now, B was probably 
getting to that point of the 

1257
01:01:29,360 --> 01:01:30,920
weekend. 
We're thinking I've had enough 

1258
01:01:30,920 --> 01:01:34,040
of this like we've had our pace 
is nowhere where it should be. 

1259
01:01:34,240 --> 01:01:36,440
I'm getting frustrated. 
I just go for a move up the 

1260
01:01:36,440 --> 01:01:38,680
inside and see if it works and 
it just didn't. 

1261
01:01:38,680 --> 01:01:42,720
So I think that Leslie had every
justification to be that pissed 

1262
01:01:42,720 --> 01:01:45,720
off when he said about the fact 
that no, it was a desperate 

1263
01:01:45,720 --> 01:01:48,120
attempt to get past from a team 
that are struggling. 

1264
01:01:48,480 --> 01:01:50,320
And he was right. 
The rest of the the rest of the 

1265
01:01:50,400 --> 01:01:53,040
the teams were getting there, 
they were finding more pace, 

1266
01:01:53,040 --> 01:01:54,680
they were getting quicker and 
out. 

1267
01:01:54,680 --> 01:01:57,160
His advantage was becoming near 
0 at that point. 

1268
01:01:57,560 --> 01:02:01,280
As the dust settled at Snetton, 
there are lots of new questions 

1269
01:02:01,280 --> 01:02:05,720
to ask in the 1996 season. 
Was Winklehot now a genuine 

1270
01:02:05,720 --> 01:02:08,760
title contender? 
Were ALDI going to remain at the

1271
01:02:08,760 --> 01:02:11,880
top of the standings? 
And were Vauxhall now emerging 

1272
01:02:11,880 --> 01:02:13,760
as a threat at the front of the 
grid? 

1273
01:02:15,280 --> 01:02:18,760
It's now time to wield Back Out,
our new feature for Series 3 

1274
01:02:18,880 --> 01:02:22,400
where producer Dan asks us all 
the question and we can see if 

1275
01:02:22,400 --> 01:02:25,760
we were paying attention to the 
discussion and coverage. 

1276
01:02:26,360 --> 01:02:28,440
Don't forget to play it long at 
home too. 

1277
01:02:28,760 --> 01:02:31,920
It doesn't count if you if you 
rewind and get the question 

1278
01:02:31,920 --> 01:02:35,080
wrong the first time. 
Now after the last time out when

1279
01:02:35,080 --> 01:02:38,840
we discussed Silverstone 1992, 
Andrew Sharman scored a point 

1280
01:02:38,840 --> 01:02:42,080
for the guests and Al got a 
point for the regulars. 

1281
01:02:42,080 --> 01:02:46,280
So currently it is 1/1. 
So I'll now hand it over to 

1282
01:02:46,280 --> 01:02:48,840
producer Dan and ask. 
Have you got your question? 

1283
01:02:49,720 --> 01:02:54,120
I have it was mentioned briefly 
early one of the podcast, but 

1284
01:02:54,120 --> 01:02:57,920
which manufacturer team scored 
their only podium of the season 

1285
01:02:57,920 --> 01:02:59,440
in the manufacturers 
championship? 

1286
01:03:01,200 --> 01:03:02,920
Peugeot but. 
Tim got fourth. 

1287
01:03:02,920 --> 01:03:04,680
Tim got fourth there, didn't he?
Yes. 

1288
01:03:04,880 --> 01:03:06,880
And with the two voxels, that 
would have been third. 

1289
01:03:07,160 --> 01:03:09,680
Yeah, Yeah. 
That is right. 

1290
01:03:09,840 --> 01:03:12,520
Persia got their only podium in 
the season in the first race at 

1291
01:03:12,520 --> 01:03:15,560
Snetterton. 
Well, that's a trick question 

1292
01:03:15,560 --> 01:03:17,280
there. 
No, yeah, yeah, yeah. 

1293
01:03:17,280 --> 01:03:22,080
I I I get what you mean. 
I get what you mean with. 

1294
01:03:22,400 --> 01:03:24,680
With the manufacturer, points 
are handed out. 

1295
01:03:24,880 --> 01:03:26,440
Yes, they got the third most. 
Yeah. 

1296
01:03:27,040 --> 01:03:29,320
Oh, right. 
I I was, I was the. 

1297
01:03:29,520 --> 01:03:31,480
I was the dumb one. 
Sat there thinking, hold a 

1298
01:03:31,480 --> 01:03:32,120
minute. 
How's it? 

1299
01:03:32,160 --> 01:03:34,480
Yeah. 
You finished? 

1300
01:03:34,480 --> 01:03:35,200
I I get it. 
I. 

1301
01:03:35,440 --> 01:03:35,800
Get it? 
It is. 

1302
01:03:35,800 --> 01:03:38,480
It is a quirk, as you say, of 
the point system. 

1303
01:03:38,800 --> 01:03:40,640
That was used for the 
manufacturers Championship was. 

1304
01:03:40,640 --> 01:03:43,280
That team's best result of that 
season, yes. 

1305
01:03:43,920 --> 01:03:47,360
Yeah, and Peugeot was by far. 
I mean, I'm. 

1306
01:03:47,400 --> 01:03:50,160
I'm scrolling through now and I 
think apart from an A couple of 

1307
01:03:50,160 --> 01:03:53,960
8th places, that was their best 
result quite significantly. 

1308
01:03:53,960 --> 01:03:56,800
I mean, they scored points on a 
reasonable number of occasions 

1309
01:03:57,160 --> 01:03:59,120
but they finished at the end of 
the season. 

1310
01:03:59,120 --> 01:04:02,320
Tied with Ford for last in the 
Championship, but they both have

1311
01:04:02,320 --> 01:04:08,440
74 points. 
That was the last year that 

1312
01:04:08,440 --> 01:04:11,000
Peugeot were running out of the 
factory. 

1313
01:04:11,000 --> 01:04:18,640
Out of the Peugeot factory. 
MSD took over in 97 and and they

1314
01:04:18,640 --> 01:04:23,800
were properly prepped rather 
than being prepped by. 

1315
01:04:24,680 --> 01:04:26,240
Peugeot. 
Peugeot guys. 

1316
01:04:26,240 --> 01:04:28,600
Then you know, so out. 
The corner of the factory in 

1317
01:04:28,600 --> 01:04:29,640
Covent. 
Yeah, yeah. 

1318
01:04:29,640 --> 01:04:33,480
Which in fairness Andrew Charman
says it was the the last true of

1319
01:04:33,480 --> 01:04:36,840
the work true works entry 
because it was literally 

1320
01:04:36,840 --> 01:04:41,200
produced in in house but rather 
than being outsourced by a 

1321
01:04:42,520 --> 01:04:46,200
preparation company. 
But yeah that that Peugeot was a

1322
01:04:46,200 --> 01:04:49,520
bit of a dog. 
So, so it was a real shot in the

1323
01:04:49,520 --> 01:04:51,920
arm for for Tim to get 4th that 
day. 

1324
01:04:52,200 --> 01:04:53,920
It's like it's like Patrick's, 
as I mentioned with Patrick 

1325
01:04:53,920 --> 01:04:56,200
Watson at the start of the 
podcast, they can do anything. 

1326
01:04:57,320 --> 01:05:01,200
Yeah. 
I I think is that the is that 

1327
01:05:01,200 --> 01:05:03,880
the is that the comment when 
Murray afterwards said something

1328
01:05:03,880 --> 01:05:06,200
like good old Patrick full of 
fun? 

1329
01:05:06,480 --> 01:05:08,560
Yeah. 
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 

1330
01:05:08,760 --> 01:05:09,760
What are you meant to say? 
What's that? 

1331
01:05:09,760 --> 01:05:11,160
All good old Patrick full of 
shit. 

1332
01:05:11,160 --> 01:05:15,440
Can you imagine if you said that
live on BBC? 

1333
01:05:15,720 --> 01:05:20,000
Well, Patrick was our PR guy at 
Super Touring Power effectively,

1334
01:05:20,680 --> 01:05:23,960
because. 
We were in the Kentagon on the 

1335
01:05:23,960 --> 01:05:27,760
Saturday evening and we were 
having a drink with Patrick and 

1336
01:05:28,040 --> 01:05:31,400
he was literally collaring 
everyone he could and telling 

1337
01:05:31,400 --> 01:05:34,520
them that and no uncertain terms
that they had to come on the 

1338
01:05:34,520 --> 01:05:39,800
podcast. 
So yeah, Patrick is a good 

1339
01:05:39,800 --> 01:05:43,000
friend of the podcast. 
So yeah, he's our PR guy. 

1340
01:05:48,480 --> 01:05:52,080
This was the story of one of the
craziest races of not just the 

1341
01:05:52,080 --> 01:05:56,480
1996 season, but the Super 
touring era which has gone down 

1342
01:05:56,480 --> 01:06:00,480
in BTCC folklore. 
James Thompson took the first 

1343
01:06:00,480 --> 01:06:04,080
win for the Vauxhall Vectra and 
Roberto Ravalia ended up the 

1344
01:06:04,080 --> 01:06:07,440
villain not for the first time 
in 1996. 

1345
01:06:08,320 --> 01:06:11,080
I'd like to thank Scott Woodless
for joining us to look back at 

1346
01:06:11,080 --> 01:06:14,120
this race and we hope that we'll
see you on stories From Super 

1347
01:06:14,120 --> 01:06:17,280
Touring again soon. 
Yeah, likewise, pleasure to be 

1348
01:06:17,280 --> 01:06:18,720
on here. 
As always, good to chat Super 

1349
01:06:18,720 --> 01:06:20,480
Touring. 
I'm never someone who can shy 

1350
01:06:20,480 --> 01:06:22,640
away from having a chat about 
things super tearing. 

1351
01:06:22,920 --> 01:06:24,960
I'm more than happy to come back
anytime you'll have me. 

1352
01:06:24,960 --> 01:06:27,200
So thank you very much boys, 
really enjoyed it and already 

1353
01:06:27,200 --> 01:06:28,840
looking forward to next time. 
Fantastic. 

1354
01:06:28,840 --> 01:06:32,760
Thank you very much, Scott, and 
our thanks as ever also go to 

1355
01:06:32,760 --> 01:06:34,280
you guys for listening to the 
show. 

1356
01:06:34,600 --> 01:06:37,920
And if you did enjoy today's 
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1357
01:06:37,920 --> 01:06:42,280
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1358
01:06:42,280 --> 01:06:44,960
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1359
01:06:45,840 --> 01:06:49,000
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1360
01:06:49,000 --> 01:06:52,000
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1361
01:06:52,120 --> 01:06:58,800
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1362
01:06:58,800 --> 01:07:02,240
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1363
01:07:03,160 --> 01:07:06,120
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1364
01:07:06,120 --> 01:07:09,800
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1365
01:07:09,800 --> 01:07:14,000
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1366
01:07:14,000 --> 01:07:18,720
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