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Stories from Super Touring. 
Hello and welcome to this week's

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episode of Stories from Super 
Touring. 

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Now we've got another BTCC guest
lined up for us this week. 

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And this guest spent two years 
in the championship towards the 

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end of the era. 
And let's say he didn't have the

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easiest of introductions, 
jumping into the lion's den at 

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Volvo with the reigning 
champion. 

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It's 1999 and 2000 touring car, 
BTCC racer Vincent Rademacher. 

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Vincent, thank you so much for 
joining us on Stories from Super

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Touring today. 
How are you doing? 

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Yeah, Thank you. 
Thank you very much to to get 

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the memory backs on a long time 
that it was. 

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It's a long time ago now, but I 
already enjoyed that, that time.

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So I'm happy to speak about 
that. 

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Brilliant. 
I mean, Can you believe it's 

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2526 years ago? 
Yeah. 

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No, no, the BTCC. 
Can't believe that it's it's 

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it's still feel quite close. 
But yeah, all the all the lands 

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is quite a long long. 
So where did where did the 

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motorsport bug bite for you? 
What? 

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Where did you get your interest 
in cars and motorsport from? 

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Not easy to say. 
My family is not. 

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It's not in that business by 
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I think I start to be interested
by Formula One working on TV and

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some magazine and I, I learned 
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start starting karting. 
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karting. 
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years old because I, my family 
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make me doing karting. 
So I had to, to walk and to have

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some money myself to, to start 
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So I spent very little time in 
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in Belgium only. 
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And I don't really know exactly 
where it starts. 

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OK. 
Yeah, very, very difficult to 

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say. 
Interesting. 

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I mean you, you say you started 
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That's a. 
That's a relatively late start 

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compared to some others. 
Isn't. 

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It yeah, I know, I know. 
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Find it really hard to 
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I'm an ex racer and I started 
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and I've got three children 11/9
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Sorry 8:00 and 7:00 and I look 
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think much of my parents. 
What were you thinking? 

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But what were you thinking to to
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that young because they're so 
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But obviously you started 
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But I'd, I'd pretty much, I'd 
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and I'd started my car. 
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different. 
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you, you know, you learn a lot 
of your race craft. 

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Don't you mean karting? 
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very short period of time. 
So yeah, you did it for. 

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Yeah, but I, I really enjoy it 
straight away and I, I spend all

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my time about doing that and, 
and, and trying to understand 

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mechanically or how it works. 
I did all the mechanics myself 

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except the engine, of course. 
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with the Toyota starlet of my 
father and a little stuff behind

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the car to, to make the cutting 
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And I do found Lieber 
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championship for two years and a
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And after that I was really 
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But again, no money for doing 
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So I did some drivers driving 
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finished seconds behind the Loja
Yellow and I've got a shot for 

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Formula Three driving school and
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Three race, but I have nothing 
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So I jump back again and karting
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Belgium, Formula Four. 
That's one and I won it. 

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And so I had a free Formula four
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I didn't have to bring money for
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And that's make me starting in 
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Yeah. 
It's very, very similar. 

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And obviously we don't really 
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scholarships. 
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It's a shame that you don't see 
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It's a very different place now.
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It changed a lot. 
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the people start very, very 
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And I think it's very difficult 
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start so late in racing. 
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can if you do. 
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Cleo Cup stuff like that. 
Small, small category and if you

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are doing well, I think you can 
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car racing, but it's not easy I 
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It was not easy at that time 
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But you find a way and it's. 
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Been easy yeah, you need some 
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good people that's helped you 
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strange that's at the end it it 
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I I have have a good 
professional life. 

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Not the best one or not the the 
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young because I wanted to be a 
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that's it. 
And and I don't regret anything.

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It's it's I enjoy every every 
stuff I did and with some good 

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memories, some walks memories, 
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year recently, yeah. 
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So you say that you won the you 
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Was that the one in 91? 
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So the, the first years was 
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driving school, but the car was 
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And so I if not really good 
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But in 1991 I did again the 
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was a good team and I spend a 
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I I went to the bank asking for 
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time and and I did 4 is this I 
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And Marlboro, Belgium was 
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they give me some price money 
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And the price money I won in the
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enough to do the the four years.
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me fully for three years. 
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Formula 3? 
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obviously that that dream of 
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I think obviously a lot of the 
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shared that dream and, and they,
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GTS, all of that later on with 
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especially when you were finding
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Benelux and and then in the UK 
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dream few even despite starting 
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Yeah, because I was just only 
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I think at that time you can 
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old, it was still OK. 
It's not possible anymore today,

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but I think that's it was still 
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But I I need it when when I 
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be very quick in every 
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And so Opal Lotus was a good 
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So I was a runner up. 
Formula 3IN only one years I was

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runner up. 
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that that years, but I still 
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seconds. 
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contract in March or something 
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Formula Three before the years 
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3000 and Marlboro bad jumps stop
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yeah, the figure. 
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end of our Singer seater. 
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races years after, but not in a 
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Bennett was he A-Team boss at 
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Dick Bennett, as we know, has 
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successful career. 
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racing? 
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was, yeah, he had a lot of 
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different driver and very good 
point Akinen by kerosene. 

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So it was not a lot of big name,
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Feel that pressure immediately 
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Little bit, yeah, a little bit 
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I was asking for some some 
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car and he was not really, 
really, really listen to me. 

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I think that's that's part of 
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bit better set up that suit my 
driving style and and that was a

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bit better on the second part, 
but it was very late to catch up

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Jan. 
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and some bad ways that we lost 
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maybe a bit of the confidence 
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I think that's yes make me at 
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But when I look back I said 
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Also, for example, I didn't have
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from Marlboro was for the car 
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I didn't have salary. 
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making my living a normal 
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And for example, I didn't have a
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So I play with Prescott from 
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Peugeot, because I knew some 
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And I think I lost a little bit 
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a little bit of energy to to do 
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And that's also I think can't a 
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And there are some results, some
not really good results that's I

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can be maybe make a bit better. 
But again, at the end of the 

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year, it was second in the 
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For example, Dao Franchitti will
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four. 
So yeah, that that was was still

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a good weather for sure. 
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mentioned Dario Franchitti 
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That was a strong feel because 
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Magnussen there, you had Ricardo
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You had Warren Hughes who made a
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There was even Zac Brown. 
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Yeah, Christian Horner, Pedro de
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He was in the baby Ross. 
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There was there was some good 
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So to, to to, as you say, Yan 
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know, that was a good result to,
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And it's a shame that he didn't 
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Paul Steward Wrestling was a 
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big, big money in behind them. 
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really up to the game at that 
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Course that was not long before 
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wasn't it? 
So yeah, yeah. 

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So at at what point did you feel
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said you lost the Marlborough 
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At what point did you think of 
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a possible alternative? 
Because yeah, when I try again 

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the 1995 for German 
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and now the the result was not 
so good because the the car was 

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not there and the team or so. 
And so I decided to stop with 

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them and they were starting to 
ask money and I didn't have any 

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money. 
So I, I really said to them now,

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OK, we stopped there and I was 
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years and a half. 
I did some testing with Formula 

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Three oil engine. 
I did Tom's Toyota testing, I 

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have a contact for Japanese 
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but again, no money to go there 
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Monet's side. 
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half looking for that to to try 
again in single seaters, I 

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decide to to say stop with the 
single seaters and to stop 

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dreaming about Formula One. 
It was over and but I want to 

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make a living to have to be paid
and professional driver and and 

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fortunately Peugeot Belgium was 
looking for a new driver in the 

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Belgium Poker Championship with 
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between 4 driver. 
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Eric Gallery, the French guys 
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Stefan the go out with now quite
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French movies and stuff like 
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Yeah, he's a comedian. 
He's a comedian and he's he's 

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making a really good car here in
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Oh wow. 
OK. 

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And I won that shot out so the 
the Peugeot can give me a 

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contract and I start really to 
be professional driver. 

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I on the on the way that I 
receive money for my my job. 

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Yes, formula three and stuff 
like that. 

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You don't receive you don't have
some or doing that and yeah, I 

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have some money. 
So it's I was looking for that 

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to to stay professional driver 
and so I did super touring 46. 

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The championships are learning a
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car and stuff like that and 
touring car, which is different 

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beats beast tender than formula 
three, of course, and I stay for

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pervert Yeah, that's years. 
I have first contact with TWA at

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the end of 97, but they choose 
morbidly because X Formula One 

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driver and blah blah, blah. 
And so I keep going with Peugeot

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in three or six group and yeah, 
and and cars or very, very 

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little car compared to 
superstoin cars, but still a 

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contract with them and keep in 
touch with Steve Dubravira on 

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last year's 98. 
And by the end of the years they

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start asking me maybe to do a 
test. 

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But so it was a long time 
waiting during your full winter,

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but in February I think 
something like that. 

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So they call me again or to make
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Pembrey. 
But I was already engaged more 

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or less with Peugeot for another
years in Belgium. 

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Yeah, but my team manager, Mark 
van Dalen, the Cornos manager, I

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was really, really scared to 
speak about that with him 

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because I can lose the Peugeot. 
And that's it. 

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Yeah, I. 
Didn't have. 

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Yeah, I didn't. 
Have be left with nothing, yeah.

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It was just a test with you 
where you are so and but he, he 

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was really happy for me and he 
came with his mate to help me in

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the, in the talking with 
business part of the of the of 

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the of the job for that one. 
So we did a test in Pembrey 

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which was quite good. 
So I think if my memory is good,

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I was only 110th and a half 
slower than regards on on the 

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same car. 
And so they get interest, but 

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they didn't sign me there. 
They asked me to do another test

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in GIS Yeah. 
And I think again, it's my 

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memory is good. 
So Matthew, Matthew O'Neill did 

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a test on two or three days 
before me and I jumped in the 

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car, but it was raining and I 
didn't know how jealous track. 

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And in the rain, I was not 
there. 

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I think I was nearly 2 seconds 
of recap lap time. 

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But yeah, my manager, manager 
Mark Van Dallan, we did enough 

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contract together, but he was 
really helpful while speaking 

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with the team manager. 
Yeah. 

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And after that test and the at 
the evenings, they said that 

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they will sign me for the BTCC, 
but we were already beginning of

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March or something like that. 
Yeah. 

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So again, very late. 
Very late into the programme. 

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Yeah, yeah, very late. 
Same. 

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What one thing I I love to know 
with these with with drivers 

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such as yourself, who instead of
racing in front wheel drive 

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touring cars since the start 
started in single seaters and 

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then moved to the front wheel 
drive. 

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I mean, it's, it's a big, how 
did you find that switching to 

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such a different style of car? 
Again, when you know, you know 

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how to drive a racing car, it's,
it's quite easy to be at the 

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pace. 
Yeah, but the the the last, the 

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last part of the pace, which is 
very, very difficult to to find.

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And you need to work with the 
engineer to understand your 

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driving style and that that's 
make the car squeaker and stuff 

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like that. 
It's, it was big jump. 

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I learned quite a lot in 
Belgium, but when I came in 

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England it was another level 
with a, with a, with a big, big,

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big difference on the 
professionalism, on everything. 

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I'm engineer on the testing and 
development and the racing also.

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It was really, really big, big, 
big difference. 

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Yeah, of course. 
Did you know much about the the 

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championship before you got to 
it? 

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Yeah, of course. 
Yeah, it was very popular. 

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Yeah, very, very popular. 
Championship, if I have a 

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regrets, this may be to not be 
able to be there two or three 

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years before to run, to run a 
little bit more and to be able 

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to to fight for, for women for 
championship with more 

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experience. 
Yeah, yeah, for sure. 

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Yeah. 
It's it's not a regret because 

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it it was like that. 
But at the end of the day, yeah,

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it could be a big difference. 
With that 99 year at Volvo you 

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mentioned, obviously you got 
that drive quite late in the 

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season, more late in the 
preseason rather. 

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Do you think that was a harder 
challenge to overcome than 

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slotting into a team that that 
really have been Ricard's team 

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for for five years up to? 
Yeah, of course, of course. 

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Yeah, it was to, to, yeah, to 
jump into a big team or on 

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Ricard who was there from the 
beginning, I think. 

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Yeah, not easy of course, but 
the, the difficult inputs is to 

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yeah, to make the team and the 
engineer believing in, in my 

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inputs and my my commentary 
about the cars. 

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But fortunately with Ricard, I 
think we had quite similar 

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driving style and the cars suit 
my driving style quite well. 

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The biggest difference I feel 
with Ricard it's was his 

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capacity in using the tyres into
qualifying. 

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He was always very fast in 
qualifying. 

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So that is a big help in Tory 
car to start on the front that's

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make a big difference. 
And he used the car you you feel

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his experience about 400 drive 
car and how the diff have to 

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work somehow to set up the diff 
for working on different track. 

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And he was really, really spot 
on on that one with his left 

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foot breaking techniques also he
was really, really good. 

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And before that, for example, I 
know I know of no more 

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techniques or right foot 
breaking. 

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But when the engineer saw that 
he was a bit better with this 

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left foot breaking, they asked 
me also to do that. 

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And I I had up quads quite well 
on that techniques. 

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It doesn't bother me or doesn't 
make me. 

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Thinking too much about that's 
but CFS, yeah, you have the itch

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on the, on that techniques. 
And I, I again, I have no 

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experience on it and I need it 
to understand it. 

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And I and that's in, in, in two 
years, it's very difficult to 

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change something on your driving
style and on on your way to 

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drive cars. 
And yeah, it maybe if I had a 

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full winter testing, maybe I can
do some, some stuff. 

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But unfortunately we are it's 
quite on in 1999. 

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It's still a lot of private 
testing and a lot of testing, 

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free testing, free practise 
before the the weekend. 

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So we had six hours on Thursday,
six hours on Friday. 

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So that's yeah, because on 2000 
it was a lot less testing before

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the race. 
Yeah, actually. 

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Coming from coming from former 3
Vincent obviously been a non 

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contact sport and obviously 
coming into the coming into the 

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BTCC. 
Sometimes we want some contact. 

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Yeah, we know it's quite a 
physical championship, just to 

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put it mildly. 
Were you prepared for that prior

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to to you joining the 
championship? 

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Probably become as a bit of a 
shock to you when you started to

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realise. 
Yeah, in Belgium it was not so 

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easy to go sometimes. 
We have some some specialist on 

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that one. 
That's why, yeah, you, you feel 

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always when it's against you or 
you feel you've, you've been 

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attacked and you feel not really
happy for that. 

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And when it happened on the 
opposite direction, the it's the

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other driver who is not happy 
with you, but he did the same 

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the, the the race before. 
So you said, OK, let's, let's 

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go, let's go. 
And then we'll be another one. 

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Yeah. 
Yeah, then there's a very 

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British sign. 
You have to give as good as you 

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get. 
So if you receive it, you've got

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to, you've got to distribute it 
because otherwise you'll just 

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get bullied. 
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

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Or more. 
Let's see. 

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It's it's never with it by 
purpose, but sometimes in in the

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fights. 
You elbows out, Yeah. 

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
Or you you brace a bit late and 

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and touched a little bit the car
and you think it's it's by 

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purpose, but it's not. 
It's not always by purpose, no. 

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And always. 
Sometimes, yeah, not always. 

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For example, I remember 11 in 
the Houghton Park with Srikat. 

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You, you start in front of me 
and it was the Small world Uton 

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pack. 
So we did. 

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I think it's Cascade. 
Yeah, I can't remember. 

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And it's a quick left corner 
before breaking for a nap in or 

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a molex nap in. 
And I I wasn't preparing my 

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summer for an attack there 
before the start of the race. 

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I was thinking so I will take a 
good breaking lead, breaking the

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insides to try to rotate people 
and when I decide to go there, 

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he was just front of me and I 
break too late and bank into the

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is a bumper and so he go white. 
But I I stay on track and I get 

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in the position and then he was 
really not happy with it's quite

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half to the risk. 
That's really it was not my 

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purpose. 
It was with him, my mistakes 

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breaking too late with score 
tyres and that's, that's it's, 

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that's yeah, it's happened of 
course in that kind of race. 

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With, with that you, you 
mentioned obviously that that is

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the Alton Park, which I remember
very well. 

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And at the time I remember 
thinking, oh, that's, that's 

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Richard's team. 
They tended not to let anyone 

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challenge Richard And, and in 
fairness, you've jumped into the

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team and you're immediately 
competitive already got a podium

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at Thruxton. 
What, how happy were they for 

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you to challenge Ricard or was 
there very much Ricard's the the

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number one here and you have to 
sort of follow? 

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you can.
Yeah, of course you can fill 

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that. 
And and I was completely aware 

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about that is it was not 
surprised me about that. 

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But I think I have the same can 
the same treatment on the same 

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engine and stuff like that. 
I never feel that that was done 

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on the technical side, but he's 
and one yeah, sometimes I stay 

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behind him to protect him a 
little bit and I was a bit 

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quicker. 
OK, for me for what it is was I 

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was really happy to be there and
I was on the running process and

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on the learning everything. 
So I will I and and that's works

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because normally Volvo was 
staying for another years in 

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2000 and they told me in July 
that I will stay with them if if

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it was a case. 
But at the end it was not. 

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But but yeah, I think was was OK
for me. 

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I mean, I was not upset about 
that. 

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And in my mind I was not going 
to win the championship. 

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That's yes, that's true. 
I was on on the learning 

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process. 
Sir Vincent Alex mentioned that 

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in 99 at Froxen you got a podium
there quite early that that 

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season. 
You really loved backtrack 

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though. 
You had a second 2/3 and 1/4 

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that year. 
Was it just a personal 

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preference, the track, or was it
the the combination of you and 

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the car and the track? 
What was the reason for being so

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successful there? 
I quad like Troxen is my 

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favourite track in England. 
I strike. 

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
And it's it starts in Formula 

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four than Formula 3 or so. 
And yeah, I quite like it. 

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And the Volvo was quite a good 
car around that track in the 

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first corner. 
The Volvo was really, really, 

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really good car. 
A bit, a bit bit worse in the 

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slow, slow corner and and that's
in but on the first one and the 

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car was quite stable and quite 
easy to drive. 

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Yeah, yeah, I really like it. 
Yeah, of. 

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Course that year was the first 
year of the the night race that 

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they did at Snetterton and that 
was a great race meeting that I 

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was at and I really enjoyed the 
carnival atmosphere around the 

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track. 
Was that was that, Was that one 

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of the highlights for you? 
Oh, yes, yes, it was really 

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good, Good stuff. 
Yeah. 

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And they make it would be good, 
good, good, good, good, good, 

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good girl with that one. 
Yeah, it was really nice. 

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Yeah, you you got stuck into a 
really good battle in the in in 

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the second race as well with 
Laurent and Ricard and Jean 

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Christophe and Jason Plato. 
It was a brilliant battle that 

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eventually ended at the bum hole
with Yeah, I think, I think 

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Ricard got the, the, the the bad
end it. 

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Was yeah, because he was the 
fun. 

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Yeah, yeah. 
But yeah, that was that was one 

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of my favourite race meetings of
that year and it was a great 

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year of British touring cars. 
It's often forgotten about a bit

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because it followed 98, but it 
was a great season. 

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Sure. 
Which was the highlight for you,

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Vincent, out of the seasons that
you did in the BTCC? 

445
00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:15,800
Is there any particular real 
high moment that you thought, 

446
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:17,200
yeah, that was the best weekend 
for me? 

447
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:19,680
And was there any particular low
weekend that you thought was a a

448
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:24,840
complete disaster? 
No, I really enjoyed the 99 

449
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:28,320
years with the Volvo because 
again, the, the, the cast was 

450
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:33,080
with my style and and it was my 
first years, of course, and I 

451
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:36,040
discover everything. 
And so, yeah, getting to the 

452
00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:39,720
podium in some races was really,
really good, good feeling. 

453
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:46,760
And but no, I, I some ways, 
yeah, we have, I think where the

454
00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:51,640
really bad weekends with the 
Volvo in Bransash in the track 

455
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:57,760
where I have two DNF. 
And that was a shame because we 

456
00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:02,680
had a big burst coming from some
supporter from Belgium because 

457
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:05,200
Bransash was really, really easy
for them to come. 

458
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:09,920
And and so, yeah, that's maybe 
it was the low pounds of that, 

459
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:14,760
yes, to have two DNF on the on 
that race, yeah, with all the 

460
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:17,640
like jump support there there. 
Always the added pressure when 

461
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:20,080
you've got friends and family or
you've got supporters coming. 

462
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:22,280
Yeah. 
For the driver. 

463
00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:28,280
I think the one DNF is a broken 
suspension on the kerbs, so we 

464
00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:32,880
resolve contact and the other 
one, I can't remember if it's an

465
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:37,960
engine or something that's not, 
I think pass through DNF, yeah. 

466
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:43,880
That that year you mentioned 
that obviously TWR originally 

467
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:46,280
told you in July that you were 
going to continue. 

468
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:50,280
How late in the year did they 
then turn around and say, 

469
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:53,520
actually we're pulling out? 
I think quite soon in August. 

470
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:56,440
OK, OK, one months later. 
Yeah. 

471
00:28:57,080 --> 00:28:59,840
And immediately then I guess you
started looking for another 

472
00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:04,040
drive obviously with within the 
championship was that tough 

473
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:06,880
because obviously 3 
manufacturers are pulling out at

474
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:10,160
that point. 
So the the drives were becoming 

475
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:13,480
more and more sparse. 
Yeah, yeah, but the the good 

476
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:18,400
years in the in the Volvo make 
me quite good on on some list. 

477
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:23,120
Yeah, yeah, I got the Vauxhall 
the the other team bring very, 

478
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:29,280
very experienced driver like 
Ford and and Vauxhall chose 

479
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:33,320
chose me to to to be the number 
3 and yeah. 

480
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:36,840
There was, if I remember rightly
at the time as well, there was 

481
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:41,160
some talk that you could have 
possibly sat in a second Nissan 

482
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:45,120
for Dynamics, but they were 
looking, they were. 

483
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:47,320
Looking for one day, yeah. 
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

484
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:49,640
And that's just it for you, was 
it? 

485
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:52,320
Yeah, that's just a no go. 
Yeah, exactly. 

486
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:56,560
Yeah, it was the only choice. 
Yeah, or, or or going into 

487
00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:59,640
another championship, but it was
the only chance to to stand the 

488
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:01,440
BTCS. 
It was the voxel. 

489
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:06,560
What what was it like going into
that environment with two team 

490
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:10,320
mates and a free car team? 
Because I'm guessing really 

491
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:14,320
you've probably been used to 22 
car teams. 

492
00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:15,840
What was it a different 
atmosphere? 

493
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:19,320
Was it more competitive or more 
collaborative being with? 

494
00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:24,840
That was not was not easy. 
Well, not easy, of course, I and

495
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:28,800
a little bit better with even 
because we we have Commons 

496
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:35,320
modern language and that type of
lots and Jason, I didn't have 

497
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:38,200
any any trouble with this and it
was a good relationship. 

498
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:42,000
Also the interesting point. 
It was really two different 

499
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:45,960
driving style. 
Ivan and Jason was completely 

500
00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:52,240
your friends and I was a bit in 
the middle to look which one can

501
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:56,880
shoot me a better. 
And and the car was was not to 

502
00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:59,920
my liking like the the Volvo was
the years before. 

503
00:30:59,920 --> 00:31:04,800
So I struggle a bit to to to 
make the car to my liking. 

504
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:11,480
And and that's well that that 
was a bit a bit a bit difficult 

505
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:13,240
to end over on that years. 
Yeah. 

506
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:17,560
And it was a bit disappointed 
because I had so good first 

507
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:20,800
years, then the second years was
was not so good. 

508
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:23,000
Yeah, so. 
You, you. 

509
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:27,720
You worked for two pretty strong
characters. 

510
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:31,680
Yeah, in Vauxhall you had Derek 
Warwick, who was a big, big 

511
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:33,880
character. 
And they don't come much bigger 

512
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:36,560
than Volvo's Tom Walkinshaw. 
I mean, what were what were they

513
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:40,280
both like to work for? 
Tom Walkinshaw, I didn't see him

514
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:45,520
during the year, I think. 
I think that maybe it's the best

515
00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:48,360
one I. 
Think, I think I see him only 

516
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:51,480
once during the year. 
OK, yeah, he was not really 

517
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:56,040
involved into the, the racing 
stuff during the years there. 

518
00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:59,400
I was a lot more in the team. 
Yeah, of course. 

519
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:03,720
But yeah, fine. 
I knew that it was not the the 

520
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:06,880
perfect way to continue, but it 
was the only possibility. 

521
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:11,880
So I, I, I can need to, to, to 
keep going as a professional 

522
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:14,880
driver and to hand Monet for my 
job. 

523
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:19,600
And, and I learned a lot, but 
not, not always the, the good 

524
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:23,280
sides, but I learned a lot of 
also on the, on the bad sides. 

525
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:28,360
And another big character in the
team was Rudori Klakwa and the 

526
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:33,600
race engineer of and the, the 
main engineer of the French guys

527
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:38,080
who it's really, really up on a 
on the, on the, on the team and 

528
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:41,320
on the on the cars and with big,
big reputation. 

529
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:43,720
And he was also with his strong 
character. 

530
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:50,040
And that's, yeah, it was more, 
more a fighting atmosphere than,

531
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:53,320
than the, the friendly 
atmosphere we had in, in Volvo 

532
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:57,720
and TWVR. 
TWVR was, was a lot easier to 

533
00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:01,800
endow. 
And, and I never see somebody 

534
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:09,720
excited or not happy at TWVR. 
And it's it's happened quite, 

535
00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:12,720
quite often in Triple H on that 
year, so. 

536
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:19,040
With there was a, there was a 
moment at Thruxton in the 

537
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:22,080
opening round at through the 
first round of Thruxton, because

538
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:25,800
they went there twice that year,
I believe, where it was very 

539
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:32,920
clear that Ivan was #1 Jason was
#2 and obviously going by that 

540
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:38,680
you were #3 was that, I mean, I 
know you're going to say it was,

541
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:40,480
it was your job. 
That was your contract. 

542
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:43,600
Was that the tough pill to 
swallow sometimes? 

543
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:46,600
Because I mean, it got even got 
to the point where you had to 

544
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:49,040
come and they had to take your 
car off you to give to someone 

545
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:50,480
else. 
I mean that that must. 

546
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:52,840
Yeah, yeah, because it wasn't 
important. 

547
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:54,960
Yeah. 
The, the, the, the principle to 

548
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:58,520
do to do 3 guys was to use the 
test car that everybody have 

549
00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:03,240
normally on the on the 99 
seasons and to make a that car 

550
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:06,200
for, for a driver and make it 
into the race. 

551
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:08,440
But yeah, it was, it was on my 
contract. 

552
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:13,120
If a car was destroyed and the 
other driver needs my car, I 

553
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:17,000
will have to step out and to 
give my car for a frame it up 

554
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:19,400
and it's sent up on the other 
night race I think. 

555
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:20,760
Yes, that's right. 
That's it. 

556
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:23,639
That's the even drive my car 
because this car was damaged 

557
00:34:23,639 --> 00:34:25,880
also in the in the first race 
Dutch. 

558
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:31,159
It was on my contract. 
And yeah, it's when you sign the

559
00:34:31,159 --> 00:34:35,360
contract, you don't don't think 
about the, the, the, the weak 

560
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:36,480
points. 
Of. 

561
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:39,840
Course, yeah, your thing, yeah, 
you think everything will be 

562
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:43,400
fine and will be working well. 
But yeah, at the end of the day 

563
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:47,280
it's it's of course a bit 
difficult to handle The the only

564
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:51,239
chances was to have some other 
driver order manufacturer 

565
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:54,400
between you and and your 
teammates and that's make a 

566
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:57,000
difference. 
But so otherwise, yeah, yeah, 

567
00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:02,160
yeah then and I think just on 
the was also feel free tough 

568
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:04,360
about that that situation, of 
course. 

569
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:07,440
Yeah, sure. 
Obviously, him and Ivan famously

570
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:13,000
became very close. 
Yeah, I expand some discussion 

571
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:18,480
in briefing and the debrief was 
about good but quite funny. 

572
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:23,000
I could imagine, yeah. 
Did you do the debriefs together

573
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:24,600
as three drivers or did you 
have? 

574
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:27,320
Or did you do your debriefs 
individually with your own 

575
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:29,400
engineers 1st and then share 
your information? 

576
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:33,800
Yeah, you do the debrief with 
CRS engineer and after all 

577
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:36,920
that's where you, you have 
general debrief with everybody 

578
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:39,360
there. 
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Nearly all, 

579
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:41,320
all that. 
Always like that, Yeah. 

580
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:45,480
Was that quite colourful 
conversation most of the time 

581
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:47,000
with with three different 
characters? 

582
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:48,960
Yeah, yeah, sometimes was a bit 
difficult. 

583
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:51,560
Yeah, yeah, of course. 
Yeah, yeah. 

584
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:54,600
It was again, more, more 
relaxing to do. 

585
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:57,520
We're on that side. 
I mean, the good thing, I guess 

586
00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:00,040
is that it got worse the next 
year when you weren't there, so.

587
00:36:05,720 --> 00:36:09,360
Unfortunately, in that year, 
2000, you also had some pretty 

588
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:12,800
nasty shunts for this quite a 
big one at Croft. 

589
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:15,320
It's. 
A horrible one, that one. 

590
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:21,320
Was that was that was it just a 
situation of pure bad luck or 

591
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:24,560
was it you not getting on as 
well with the car as as you know

592
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:26,560
you mentioned not compared to 
Volvo, what what were? 

593
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:29,280
Those it was making mechanical 
problem. 

594
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:35,040
I I bought some stuff on the 
steering rack somewhere we don't

595
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:39,080
know exactly what exactly, but I
lost completely the steering 

596
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:43,400
into that that fast bends and 
have no steering to steer the 

597
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:44,480
guy. 
That's that's one. 

598
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:48,120
So what I hit the brakes was too
late and I crossed the grass and

599
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:50,200
I hit the the barrier quite 
high, quite hard. 

600
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:54,480
Yeah. 
And yeah, mechanical, it's the 

601
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:57,760
worst accident in racing. 
It's one of mechanical stuff 

602
00:36:57,760 --> 00:36:59,560
abroad. 
You, you are passenger of the 

603
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:02,880
car. 
And I remember I still have a 

604
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:09,040
picture of the of the Marshall 
post and I saw the Marshall 

605
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:14,200
looking at me, looking like what
is occurring in this direction. 

606
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:19,080
Yeah, I really remember that 
picture in my head. 

607
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:22,920
And so I, I was really scared 
about the the hits. 

608
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:28,280
But when it finished, I was on 
the side of the car and I 

609
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:33,120
panicked a little bit about fire
because I can't I can't exit. 

610
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:37,040
I, I was not able to exit off 
the car by myself. 

611
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:40,840
And I calm down very quickly 
when I saw every marsh on 

612
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:44,160
coming. 
He was there extended Grayshore 

613
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:48,560
and everything was there to to 
help me if it was a problematic 

614
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:53,200
like life I so I calm down very 
quickly, but I have a big stress

615
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:56,440
for 30 seconds or one minute 
about that. 

616
00:37:57,160 --> 00:38:02,680
But it was OK mine mine I was 
not hurt so I didn't was bad 

617
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:05,360
experience but nothing nothing 
new servers. 

618
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:08,240
I remember another one that you 
you were turned around by 

619
00:38:08,240 --> 00:38:11,520
Thompson at Silverstone. 
Oh yeah, That was a nasty one. 

620
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:13,440
And and went into the side of 
reading. 

621
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:14,680
Yeah. 
Yeah, yeah. 

622
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:19,600
But it's completely, Yeah, I 
think James was a bit hard on 

623
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:23,240
that one and I can't again. 
I was a passenger. 

624
00:38:23,240 --> 00:38:26,240
He turned back up to the ones 
and. 

625
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:30,200
And really, unfortunately Reed 
was turning into the corner and 

626
00:38:30,240 --> 00:38:32,120
I hit him quite badly by your 
back. 

627
00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:34,280
Yeah. 
But yeah, that's his racing 

628
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:40,240
incidence and maybe James can do
it a bit less aggressively, but.

629
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:42,360
Yeah. 
No, that was a total passenger 

630
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:43,160
in that one. 
Yeah, he can. 

631
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:46,720
Yeah, on on the one years. 
I think it's happened to nearly 

632
00:38:46,720 --> 00:38:51,160
everybody. 
Yeah, I remember that Croft 

633
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:54,120
meeting. 
It was quite, there was, there 

634
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:57,280
was a, a picture of Derek 
Warwick just looking for lawn 

635
00:38:57,280 --> 00:39:01,440
because you had that big shunt 
and then Jason's throttle stuck 

636
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:04,200
open and that was another scary 
shunt. 

637
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:07,760
And I remember Derek Warwick 
saying, well, I don't even know 

638
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:09,560
if we're going to be at the next
race because we don't know if 

639
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:11,360
we've got any cars left. 
Yeah, exactly. 

640
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:14,560
Yeah, it was really done. 
Yeah, it's already bad. 

641
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:17,000
Bad race and bad race weekend. 
Yeah. 

642
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:23,880
So with that 2000 car, I think 
it's fairly safe to say that you

643
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:26,720
prefer the Volvo from the 
Vauxhall from from what you've 

644
00:39:26,720 --> 00:39:29,400
been saying to us this evening. 
Yeah, I think they did a good 

645
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:34,480
job on the on the Vauxhall. 
But yeah, it's happens to, I 

646
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:39,240
remember that sort of we had 
some issue on the, on the front 

647
00:39:39,240 --> 00:39:43,880
axle of the car and we never put
the finger on it. 

648
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:49,840
And it disturbed me more I think
than just on an even on, on my 

649
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:53,120
way to drive the car. 
For example, it's difficult to 

650
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:58,360
explain, but when you, you got 
the pores of the apex to the 

651
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:02,080
exit of the corner and you put 
the power, the front wheel, of 

652
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:08,800
course, pulling the car and, and
sometimes I, I can't really know

653
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:12,320
by one of the person way of the 
car handing at the end of the 

654
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:15,360
car. 
And I was always missing my 

655
00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:19,200
racing line for 404050 
centimetres. 

656
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:22,440
And that's happened quite early 
in the years from the car. 

657
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:25,800
And I will, I complain about 
that. 

658
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:28,240
So Ivan and Jason also complain 
about that. 

659
00:40:28,240 --> 00:40:31,240
And they never really find a 
solution on that point. 

660
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:34,960
I don't, I don't know why 
exactly, but, and that's 

661
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:39,160
disturbed me a bit more. 
And it was a bit more difficult 

662
00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:41,040
on some tracking than the 
others, of course. 

663
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:47,280
But but yeah, it it was 
something there that's I really 

664
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:50,720
don't like. 
It it was never really a truly 

665
00:40:50,720 --> 00:40:52,800
competitive super tour of the 
Vectra. 

666
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:56,040
They nobody ever really got it 
winning regularly. 

667
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:58,400
Yeah, exactly. 
Yeah, it was difficult to set up

668
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:02,560
the car well for it every time. 
Competitive cavalier, for 

669
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:05,520
example, or the the vector in in
in Europe, yeah. 

670
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:09,520
Yeah, it was strange that's we, 
we struggled a bit to find the 

671
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:12,760
the right setup in every track 
and the car was a bit difficult 

672
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:14,440
to set up often. 
Yeah, true. 

673
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:18,840
Moving towards the end of that 
year and and into early 2001, it

674
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:23,160
was a situation where Super 
Touring was was ending as we 

675
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:25,840
knew it and we were going into 
the new regulations. 

676
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:29,840
Vauxhall were the one team that 
actually stuck around for for 

677
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:32,040
that part. 
Did you have any discussions 

678
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:35,560
with them for staying around in 
2001 or or was it was it budget 

679
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:40,400
limited on on both sides there? 
Yeah, it was a bit did that and 

680
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:46,520
and the years on high and and 
yeah, it was no, I never really 

681
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:49,560
speak with them about that. 
So I have the badge of 

682
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:53,000
championship was changing also 
the regulation for cigarette 

683
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:55,400
cars. 
I have a good contact in upper 

684
00:41:55,400 --> 00:42:01,520
Belgium and yeah, we we we went 
to that direction and I didn't 

685
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:06,640
really push with 888 to try to 
stay with them and and didn't 

686
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:09,760
really push also to to keep me 
in the in abort. 

687
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:15,280
So, so, yeah, we passed so 
without many problems, but it 

688
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:19,360
was quite natural. 
Yeah, that's I think they were 

689
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:22,320
not specially happy. 
I was not, I was not specially 

690
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:27,520
happy and that's that was it. 
And they have a lot of driving 

691
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:31,440
on the market on. 
On the yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, 

692
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:34,800
yeah, there there was talk. 
I mean, I don't know how true it

693
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:38,560
is, but at one point ABG 
Motorsport, who were running a 

694
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:43,040
couple of Lexuses, they were 
talking about possibly putting 

695
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:44,960
you with Tommy Udos, your old 
F3. 

696
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:50,000
Never touch, yeah, I would touch
with them. 

697
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:54,080
I I went to England to speak 
with them and but never 

698
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:56,080
happened. 
I never jumped in the car to to 

699
00:42:56,080 --> 00:43:00,600
test and I don't know is there a
way also looking a bit for Monet

700
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:03,480
and stuff like that. 
So again, I was with you on a 

701
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:08,400
professional mode of driving and
not bringing Bridget on money 

702
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:12,000
for that for for my job. 
Yeah, that is a job. 

703
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:15,840
At the end of Super Touring, I 
mean, I guess you probably found

704
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:19,120
it really hard because all these
manufacturer programmes, these 

705
00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:23,600
racing programmes were ending 
and all the, all the, the teams 

706
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:27,120
coming forward were independent 
teams looking for money. 

707
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:29,920
So I guess for you that must 
have been quite hard at that 

708
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:32,680
point to to to find something 
that worked for. 

709
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:37,760
You yeah, but this is it's 
something that's happened to me 

710
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:42,360
in my career very often. 
So I have a part higher going up

711
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:46,080
and go down quite a lot. 
So go back again and go down 

712
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:48,280
again. 
It's it's happened all the all 

713
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:51,240
the time like that. 
So I had the singer sitters time

714
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:55,120
losing a lot of stuff. 
And I have touring cars with 

715
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:59,960
Belgium and BTCC, yeah. 
And, and two, two good years 

716
00:43:59,960 --> 00:44:02,080
also in the Belgium Sidwell 
cars. 

717
00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:07,320
And the French championship also
is Sidwell Siat Siat Toledo. 

718
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:12,160
And after the French 
championship, I was also going 

719
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:15,600
for another years in the French 
championship to try to win the 

720
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:18,720
championship. 
And the team let me down to 

721
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:23,800
Crystal Bushard because he was 
French into a French team and 

722
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:25,680
not the Belgian, the Belgian 
guys. 

723
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:29,200
So that's also make me again go 
up down. 

724
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:35,480
And I had some good people in 
Belgium who are so doing some 

725
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:41,400
racing team, but with some good 
money behind and they can afford

726
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:44,120
to pay me as a professional 
driver. 

727
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:50,440
But it changed a little bit of 
the I since 2003, 2004 and so 

728
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:53,800
on. 
I keep going racing, I keep 

729
00:44:55,240 --> 00:44:59,960
asking for money for my job, but
I asked the money only for the 

730
00:44:59,960 --> 00:45:03,400
weekend race, weekends or 
testing or stuff like that. 

731
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:06,360
But not a salary, a full salary 
for 40 years. 

732
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:12,320
And I I find different way to 
make some money for my living, 

733
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:17,280
driving school in Belgium and 
this job I am doing now some 

734
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:22,760
sense of 15 years now developing
cars for manufacturers and 

735
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:25,760
mostly on the nosh life where I 
where I am at the moment. 

736
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:30,560
Yeah, you, you raced quite a 
varied mix of cars since 2004, 

737
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:31,120
didn't you? 
Really. 

738
00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:33,160
You've done, you've done a bit 
of GTS as well. 

739
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:37,880
I mean it must have been quite 
the jump to go back into big 

740
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:41,480
engine rear wheel drive cars 
after two litre tin tops. 

741
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:46,160
Yeah, but but yeah, I hear a 
wheel drive I think sued my 

742
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:48,360
style a bit better than front 
wheel drive car. 

743
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:52,360
So I I was caught up here at 
Silwatt car, for example, was 

744
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:55,480
really, really nice car how to 
walks on it and to race because 

745
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:58,800
it was a real racing car. 
It was to build a chassis, the 

746
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:03,360
real engine 38 hours V6. 
So it was really, really nice 

747
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:07,560
car only 950 kilos. 
So it was really, really good 

748
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:13,920
fun to, to walks on that car And
and GT was the same as a big 

749
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:20,880
car, a bit bit heaver, but but 
yeah, I, I like also to, to 

750
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:23,720
understand different driving 
style, to understand the 

751
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:26,840
different cars to work Swiss 
engineer to try to improve 

752
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:29,840
stuff. 
And it's, it's part of the job 

753
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:33,120
that I, I'd like. 
I'm so I'm not only for racing. 

754
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:39,560
Out of all the GT cars that you 
drove when you drove the 

755
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:43,160
Corvette, I think the Nissan 
350, Mosler, I think even a 

756
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:45,200
Ferrari at one point. 
Yeah, I. 

757
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:46,640
Mean. 
That's the good thing about the 

758
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:48,320
GT cars. 
Obviously there is a good array 

759
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:50,480
of of manufacturers, but what 
was there any particular 

760
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:51,920
favourite for you during that 
period? 

761
00:46:55,600 --> 00:47:00,200
Yes and no it was some contacts 
that that's that's happened in 

762
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:05,120
some places and some people who 
who are looking for driver for 

763
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:10,640
example 24 hour spa. 
It was it was very difficult 

764
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:14,320
because many team are asked for 
money except the the 

765
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:18,920
professional driver from the 
manufacturers like OD driver, 

766
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:21,720
poor driver and stuff like that.
I I never been there. 

767
00:47:22,240 --> 00:47:25,720
So every time they will will ask
some money. 

768
00:47:25,720 --> 00:47:28,920
So sometimes I drove because a 
gentleman driver pay for me. 

769
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:33,760
Sometimes the IT was a free 
drive and stuff like that. 

770
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:38,720
But I never bring money to to 
make me a driving racing cars 

771
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:46,200
because it's when when you when 
you have that as the job and the

772
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:50,240
experience I have at that time, 
I don't see the points to bring 

773
00:47:50,240 --> 00:47:56,440
money to a team from from my my,
my side of view is the team. 

774
00:47:56,440 --> 00:48:00,080
I have to find the money to to 
make the driver part of the 

775
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:03,320
team. 
I always said that the mechanics

776
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:06,960
I paid the engineer, I paid it. 
I never understand why a driver 

777
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:09,600
have to pay to do the job. 
For me, it's a job. 

778
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:14,840
It's not, it's not to be a 
superstar or only being in my 

779
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:18,480
overall also racing driver. 
I'm there to to make a job. 

780
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:23,360
So to, to help to help the 
reserve, to help the engineer to

781
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:27,000
understand what's what we need 
to do in the car to improve it 

782
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:31,760
and, and and and so on. 
So, yeah. 

783
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:35,160
And and that is why also it's, 
it's become become to be a bit 

784
00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:38,800
difficult at this, this state 
now to to keep wrestling because

785
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:43,240
it's, it's, it's always, always 
about that. 

786
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:47,520
You say about it's not about 
being a superstar, but one thing

787
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:53,240
I always wanted to, wanted to 
know was how surprised were you 

788
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:58,480
about how big the championship 
the BTCC was when you were in 

789
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:00,840
it? 
I mean, you guys were household 

790
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:02,840
stars. 
They were computer games. 

791
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:05,320
It was. 
And, you know, were you 

792
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:07,760
surprised at just how big the 
series was? 

793
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:09,240
Yeah. 
Of course you have the other 

794
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:12,400
course session and the 
television stuff like that, but 

795
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:19,160
it was still the BBC like has a 
high for every Sunday. 

796
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:20,240
Yes, that's right. 
That's. 

797
00:49:20,240 --> 00:49:23,600
Making the big, big difference 
for of course, yeah, yeah, yeah,

798
00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:25,120
sure. 
It was really, really, yeah. 

799
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:27,120
I was really impressed by that. 
Yeah, of course. 

800
00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:31,080
But again, also as a racing 
driver, you are not looking for 

801
00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:35,120
that side of the of the of the 
racing. 

802
00:49:35,240 --> 00:49:38,960
You are looking for the reserve 
for the car, for the Android in 

803
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:41,520
the, the, the the car and and do
the job. 

804
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:45,360
Yeah, yeah. 
You mentioned your work at the 

805
00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:49,280
Nurburgring now. 
Is it a situation a lot of 

806
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:52,640
people go on about learning that
tracking taken so long to learn 

807
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:56,280
that track, Is it something, is 
it a special experience every 

808
00:49:56,280 --> 00:49:59,000
time you turn a lap of that 
track and have you learn every 

809
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:01,920
quarter to the 100% now? 
Yeah, yeah, of course. 

810
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:08,560
But it's, you know, I'm Belgium.
Many, many people say that 

811
00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:11,160
Sparkle Kosher is the best track
in the world. 

812
00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:15,080
I always no, no, no, no, no, no,
no, no. 

813
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:17,840
No. 
No, no, for me is the north, 

814
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:21,120
like I fear in Germany. 
It's, it's really amazing track.

815
00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:23,520
It's a challenge every time you 
go off on it. 

816
00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:26,920
It's a challenge. 
You Yeah, it's greenhouse. 

817
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:32,320
So the, the, the, the, the, the,
the weather is always changing 

818
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:36,320
and it's always difficult. 
Of course, when you, you do 

819
00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:40,840
manufacturer development car, 
you don't have to push up the 

820
00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:44,760
limits all the time. 
So you need to be a bit on a 

821
00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:48,240
margin sometimes. 
But when you do that records 

822
00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:53,680
like I did for Jaguar or for 
Xiaomi beginning of this year's,

823
00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:57,720
you have to be in the racing 
spirits and putting everything 

824
00:50:57,720 --> 00:51:01,640
under limits and and not 
crushing the car because again, 

825
00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:05,160
it's prototype cars and cost a 
lot of money if you have an 

826
00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:07,840
accident. 
So it's it's to find a balance 

827
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:12,440
between the speed and the, and 
the, and the security and the 

828
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:14,360
risk you take and then stay on 
the track. 

829
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:18,320
But yeah, it's Amazon track. 
It's, you know, unbelievable. 

830
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:22,920
It's something that they need to
keep in life because it's it's 

831
00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:29,280
no, no where you can find 
there's so much enjoyment to to 

832
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:32,760
drive on that car, on that on 
that strike with every car you 

833
00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:36,040
can drive for a small car, a 
small Rd car, you still enjoy 

834
00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:37,320
it. 
Yeah, yeah. 

835
00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:40,280
That's the big difference. 
I mean, it, it shows just how 

836
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:43,800
much pull the, the, the North 
Schleifer has is you look at Max

837
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:47,480
Verstappen recently doing the, 
doing the, the, the GT race 

838
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:51,240
there, you know, so it's got 
that pull that just everyone 

839
00:51:51,240 --> 00:51:53,920
wants to do it. 
It's an incredible, incredible 

840
00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:56,920
circuit. 
And, and many, many, many, many 

841
00:51:56,920 --> 00:52:01,240
of them are scary about it. 
Yeah, when you speak with with 

842
00:52:01,240 --> 00:52:04,600
amateur rival and you said, 
yeah, you have to come to Norse 

843
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:07,560
live because they're so weird. 
When you ask, try and say, oh, I

844
00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:10,160
still don't want to go on that 
one because they're scary. 

845
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:13,480
Many, many people are scary. 
It's like motorcycle riders with

846
00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:16,000
the Isle of Mountain TT. 
I think Rossi went there to 

847
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:18,840
watch and even he said no, I'm 
not riding it. 

848
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:23,560
You know, it's very strange 
because OK, it's but no one is 

849
00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:26,760
the racing is that so it's it's 
staying on the on the black 

850
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:28,840
time. 
I can not not going off the of 

851
00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:31,520
the time. 
I can I think more than racing, 

852
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:34,320
you know, that's it's also 
something that I don't like in 

853
00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:41,680
GT racing and the run off are we
full of tarmac and no penalty 

854
00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:45,840
and people people make big 
mistakes and and they save the 

855
00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:48,600
car. 
I don't like that way to drive a

856
00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:49,360
car. 
I want. 

857
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:55,480
I wanted to to still dangerous. 
Not, not. 

858
00:52:55,640 --> 00:52:59,440
For your life, but dangerous 
about making mistakes that make 

859
00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:03,360
you out of the track and and and
that cost you something. 

860
00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:06,840
And. 
That's yeah, yeah, I, I, I quite

861
00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:11,960
stay on that side of racing. 
Driving have to be difficult and

862
00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:18,160
and risky and at some point. 
I agree it takes a lot of the 

863
00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:22,480
skill level away and I think the
difference in terms of risk 

864
00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:25,640
taking, but in a in a way where 
you can keep it on the track, 

865
00:53:25,640 --> 00:53:28,000
but there's risk taking where it
doesn't matter if I get it 

866
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:28,800
wrong. 
Because I'm actually. 

867
00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:31,560
Differently the next lap, you 
know, when we when we raced and 

868
00:53:31,560 --> 00:53:34,080
when I raced, you know, a lot of
like Alton Park, you don't get 

869
00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:35,840
second chances. 
Yeah, exactly. 

870
00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:37,200
You don't really get second 
chances. 

871
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:39,400
You know, Throuxton, you don't 
really get second chances. 

872
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:42,440
But you know all this this. 
This is why your style? 

873
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:44,480
Yeah, that's why your style, 
Yeah. 

874
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:48,200
I really like the English track 
because it didn't change the 

875
00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:50,960
state. 
You might be like. 

876
00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:52,440
You got punished. 
You got punished. 

877
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:56,000
In You Apart Silverstone, who 
will make a big, big difference,

878
00:53:56,600 --> 00:54:00,640
make big, big changements. 
But Doniton's still the same. 

879
00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:03,120
Rob Lansash. 
It's still the same track. 

880
00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:06,720
So it's, yeah. 
I think it's also something that

881
00:54:06,720 --> 00:54:11,400
you have to keep in life doing, 
doing racing on that kind of 

882
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:13,640
track, yeah. 
We've, we've mentioned Spa a 

883
00:54:13,640 --> 00:54:18,920
couple of times in the last few 
minutes and you did the 24 hour 

884
00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:20,640
race there quite a lot, didn't 
you? 

885
00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:25,360
Is is that? 
Not that much, not that much. 

886
00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:29,640
OK. 
And I have only twice the 

887
00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:34,360
possibility to warn it if it was
touring car was the Peugeot 3 or

888
00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:39,280
6? 
Yeah, which I did 1998 first 

889
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:43,040
years of the Peugeot and of the 
group and regulation for the for

890
00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:45,000
the 24 hours I didn't pole 
position. 

891
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:48,760
That's it. 
I was on pole, but we have an 

892
00:54:48,760 --> 00:54:52,880
issue on the car during the race
and I did also in 2000. 

893
00:54:53,120 --> 00:54:56,640
So the years I was running the 
Vauxhall in BTCCI have a free, 

894
00:54:57,080 --> 00:55:00,280
free weekend at that stage. 
And so Peugeot bring me back 

895
00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:04,840
into the into the race and again
we had DNF because of something 

896
00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:05,840
on the car. 
Yeah. 

897
00:55:06,080 --> 00:55:09,600
So that's was the only two years
I have a car and the team that's

898
00:55:09,640 --> 00:55:14,840
was capable to win the race. 
Otherwise I drove it with small 

899
00:55:14,840 --> 00:55:20,080
car before that or with GT cars,
but we're never in the peak team

900
00:55:20,080 --> 00:55:25,200
and with with some Co driver 
that can can be a professional 

901
00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:29,400
once and win on the race Yeah. 
So at the end of the day, I 

902
00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:35,040
think I did more fun the 24 of 
Dubai than the 24 of Spa. 

903
00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:38,880
Yeah, it's strange, but this? 
Sometimes, yeah. 

904
00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:42,560
So I mean, we've talked about 
modern racing there and, and the

905
00:55:42,560 --> 00:55:47,880
reliance these days on bringing 
money and, and do you get to do 

906
00:55:47,880 --> 00:55:50,160
much racing now? 
I know I stopped. 

907
00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:51,760
Two years ago, I stopped. 
Two years ago. 

908
00:55:52,120 --> 00:55:57,880
Yeah, I I did the TCR German 
championship back in 2023. 

909
00:55:58,040 --> 00:56:02,000
Yeah, but with an Opera Astra 
with the team that I won the 

910
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:04,400
German championship back in 
2006. 

911
00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:09,160
More Motorsports is a Swiss 
team, OK, really, really good 

912
00:56:09,160 --> 00:56:13,520
people and really family team. 
And but we didn't have the 

913
00:56:13,520 --> 00:56:16,960
budget and the and the testing 
to make the car working. 

914
00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:20,160
So we worked all years on the 
car to improve it. 

915
00:56:20,840 --> 00:56:26,640
By the end of the year, the car 
was close to the project, kept 

916
00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:32,320
every city, but we did, we did 
one years to develop that's and 

917
00:56:32,320 --> 00:56:35,200
to be able and the last race to 
fight for the project. 

918
00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:40,160
So and, and the team stop it 
after that year. 

919
00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:47,360
That's that was my last year and
I'm not, I'm not pushing for 

920
00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:50,000
that. 
I'm not giving call to each one.

921
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:54,360
So if somebody think about me 
and ask me to do something and 

922
00:56:54,360 --> 00:56:58,720
can pay my rest or weekends, I 
will be very happy to do it. 

923
00:56:59,520 --> 00:57:06,040
But yeah, my, I don't need it 
anymore as, as professional way 

924
00:57:06,040 --> 00:57:10,800
of life. 
And, but I still are and I still

925
00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:15,520
enjoy sitting in the car doing 
the job and, and that's part of 

926
00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:19,600
the of the weekends. 
But I hate all the rest on the 

927
00:57:19,600 --> 00:57:22,760
weekend, the travelling, the 
waiting, the, the, the 

928
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:26,480
breathing, the checking of the 
overalls and stuff like that. 

929
00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:32,120
Yeah, that's just a bit boring. 
You spend a lot of time on the 

930
00:57:32,120 --> 00:57:36,880
race track for, for driving very
short time at the end. 

931
00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:41,880
So and and a lot of 
disappointments very often 

932
00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:48,600
because in under ants race, you 
need very, very strong team and 

933
00:57:48,600 --> 00:57:52,880
stronger structure to to be able
to to to go to the end of the 

934
00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:57,240
race without trooper. 
And you have many, many 

935
00:57:57,520 --> 00:58:04,320
disappointed weekend because of 
engine bork and gearbox or, or 

936
00:58:04,320 --> 00:58:07,040
something happened during the 
weekend and that's it's no 

937
00:58:07,040 --> 00:58:08,960
result at the end. 
Yeah, Oh yeah. 

938
00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:14,760
The the on dry mind is too short
compared to the to the 

939
00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:20,480
disappointed. 
So looking back on your 

940
00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:25,160
professional racing career then,
would you say there are any 

941
00:58:25,160 --> 00:58:27,960
particular highlights that you 
look back and think, yeah, that 

942
00:58:27,960 --> 00:58:30,280
was that was probably the best 
of it for me. 

943
00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:32,840
Is that is there anything in 
particular that you look back on

944
00:58:33,360 --> 00:58:38,640
with particular pride or? 
I I would say that I don't drive

945
00:58:38,720 --> 00:58:43,920
really much two years in the 
1990 W studio where we are still

946
00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:48,640
really, really good memories 
yeah and and for the high level 

947
00:58:48,640 --> 00:58:52,720
of professional professionalism 
is was done and that especially 

948
00:58:52,720 --> 00:58:57,720
with again the free practise 6 
hour on top there 6 hour on 

949
00:58:57,720 --> 00:59:01,640
Friday 3 cars or test car. 
The race car the the 

950
00:59:01,640 --> 00:59:04,400
organisation in the team was 
really a high level. 

951
00:59:04,760 --> 00:59:09,720
So I enjoyed that high level of 
professionalism and I ordered 

952
00:59:09,720 --> 00:59:14,080
quite a lot also with the 
silhouette cars in French 

953
00:59:14,080 --> 00:59:17,760
championship because I was the 
only foreigner driver. 

954
00:59:17,760 --> 00:59:22,280
So it was all French driver. 
I was in the French team, but 

955
00:59:22,600 --> 00:59:28,000
and the French engineer, I wish 
I was working with him on that 

956
00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:30,600
years was really, really good to
engineer. 

957
00:59:30,600 --> 00:59:35,240
I really enjoy driving, driving 
for him and walking with him to 

958
00:59:35,240 --> 00:59:37,400
make the car, to make the car 
working. 

959
00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:39,880
And we missed the championship 
by one point. 

960
00:59:40,720 --> 00:59:46,440
But yeah, we have, for example, 
I think it was 7 race weekends 

961
00:59:47,040 --> 00:59:50,240
and the first race weekend we 
finished the the the weekend 

962
00:59:50,240 --> 00:59:54,000
with our points. 
So we had, we had a big crush in

963
00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:58,280
the beginning of the first race 
and the car was really destroyed

964
00:59:58,280 --> 01:00:03,320
and it was big mess into the 
first corner and I was I was in 

965
01:00:03,320 --> 01:00:06,920
the middle and there we built 
the car for the next race. 

966
01:00:06,920 --> 01:00:11,200
I was P4 and we have an 
electrical problem on the car. 

967
01:00:11,200 --> 01:00:14,240
So we have two DNFS on the first
weekends. 

968
01:00:14,720 --> 01:00:20,160
So we catch up during the years 
and we came in the last race 

969
01:00:21,280 --> 01:00:23,800
leading the championship, but by
your little margin. 

970
01:00:24,760 --> 01:00:27,400
And we lost it by one point at 
the end of that weekend. 

971
01:00:27,600 --> 01:00:31,440
Oh yeah, it was. 
And the disappointment about 

972
01:00:31,440 --> 01:00:35,280
that is that normally I was 
going to another years and try 

973
01:00:35,280 --> 01:00:40,280
to win the championship, but the
team chose another rival, 

974
01:00:40,840 --> 01:00:46,360
Christophe Boucher, who was 
French and he was, he was free 

975
01:00:46,360 --> 01:00:48,560
to do that. 
And the team manager for 

976
01:00:48,560 --> 01:00:53,200
Snobbeck, it was Snobbeck team 
and the team manager was friend 

977
01:00:53,200 --> 01:00:56,680
of Christophe Boucher. 
So when Christophe Boucher was 

978
01:00:56,760 --> 01:01:00,440
free to do it, he he bring it 
back into the team to to do the 

979
01:01:00,440 --> 01:01:03,840
championship. 
So I lost that drive on the 

980
01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:05,280
human. 
Yes, in the French championship 

981
01:01:05,280 --> 01:01:09,080
that was a bit disappointed. 
But the years walking on the 

982
01:01:09,080 --> 01:01:13,400
car, walking on the and the 
track also in France, in France 

983
01:01:13,400 --> 01:01:17,480
have some good track like Dijon 
Nogaro. 

984
01:01:17,640 --> 01:01:21,840
Yeah, we have quite a good, good
secret or so I know also I was 

985
01:01:21,840 --> 01:01:25,360
learning new track because at 
that date you don't have a 

986
01:01:25,760 --> 01:01:30,040
simulator and stuff like that to
learn or you have to to learn 

987
01:01:30,400 --> 01:01:34,160
against the French guys who was 
doing it from 10 years ago. 

988
01:01:34,880 --> 01:01:38,480
And and that's it was a 
challenge also to to be to be 

989
01:01:38,480 --> 01:01:42,520
competitive very, very, very 
quickly on on that. 

990
01:01:42,960 --> 01:01:48,640
That's, yeah. 
So yeah, I think 1999 and 2002 

991
01:01:49,560 --> 01:01:57,880
was quite a good sport, yeah. 
Vincent, I'd just like to say 

992
01:01:57,920 --> 01:02:01,520
thank you so much for spending 
your time with us this evening 

993
01:02:01,920 --> 01:02:03,920
to come on the episode, to come 
on the show. 

994
01:02:04,520 --> 01:02:06,360
It's been great having you. 
Thanks so much. 

995
01:02:07,080 --> 01:02:08,840
Thank you very much again. 
Yeah, yeah. 

996
01:02:08,840 --> 01:02:10,800
Thank you to to think about me 
again. 

997
01:02:11,440 --> 01:02:18,080
Oh, it's it's and. 
Thank you for listening to 

998
01:02:18,080 --> 01:02:20,600
today's episode from Stories 
from Super Touring. 

999
01:02:21,080 --> 01:02:24,920
And as ever, we'll be back next 
week for more stories from the 

1000
01:02:24,920 --> 01:02:27,280
golden era of touring car 
racing. 

1001
01:02:27,560 --> 01:02:29,760
We'll see you next week. 
Goodbye.