1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:17,680 Stories from Super Touring. Hello and welcome to this week's 2 00:00:17,680 --> 00:00:20,000 episode of Stories from Super Touring. 3 00:00:20,640 --> 00:00:24,200 I'm your host Levi Riley and this week we are diving into a 4 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:26,760 meeting that shaped British Touring Car Championship 5 00:00:26,760 --> 00:00:31,400 history, the very first BTCC race at Scotland's legendary 6 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:37,680 Knoxville circuit in 1992. As we all know, 1992 was a 7 00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:41,920 season packed with high octane action, fierce rivalries and 8 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:44,800 some of the most iconic touring cars of the era. 9 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:48,800 But when the championship made its debut at Not Hill, a tight 10 00:00:48,880 --> 00:00:52,360 undulating track known for its unpredictable weather and 11 00:00:52,360 --> 00:00:57,040 dramatic elevation changes, it became an instant fan favourite. 12 00:00:58,040 --> 00:01:01,200 To help us look back at this race weekend, we are joined once 13 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:03,920 again by motorsport photographer Greg Denton. 14 00:01:04,519 --> 00:01:07,960 Greg, welcome back to the pods. Great to have you on again. 15 00:01:07,960 --> 00:01:10,360 How are you doing this evening? Yeah, very good. 16 00:01:10,360 --> 00:01:12,000 Thank you. And it's really great to be 17 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:15,480 invited back for another episode and to reminisce on the Nokia 18 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:18,920 192. Fit and we'll stick with you 19 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:22,520 first for our usual opening question, what first comes to 20 00:01:22,520 --> 00:01:25,800 mind when you think about the very first not kill event back 21 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:28,880 in 1992? Yeah, I think it's two things 22 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:30,200 really. First of all, as you said, it 23 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:32,480 was the first visit to Knockhill, so it was a brand new 24 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:35,120 circuit. So we, you know, all the fans 25 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:38,840 went there not really knowing what to expect when we did get 26 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:39,800 there. I think the weather was 27 00:01:39,800 --> 00:01:42,560 something that dominated the the weekend and I'm sure we'll talk 28 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:45,440 about that later because it got very, very wet. 29 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:50,120 Yeah, it definitely did. And that's a a common theme of 30 00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:53,760 not kill meetings normally. And 92 was the start if you need 31 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:58,800 to go on exactly. And Alan with us, as always, is 32 00:01:58,880 --> 00:02:01,200 Alan Clark and Alan coming to you. 33 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:03,280 What are your memories of this race meeting? 34 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:10,800 My first overriding memory is that iconic footage from John 35 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:15,600 Cleland where they cut to the in car and it is as Greg just said, 36 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:20,080 the weather was teeming it down and all you can hear is a 37 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:24,640 bewildered John Glennon. We cannot see a thing where the 38 00:02:24,640 --> 00:02:28,840 Hell's the track? And you can't if the wipers go 39 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:32,320 in the fastest speed you've ever seen a wiper go and it still 40 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:35,160 isn't clearing enough water feature actually see. 41 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:38,440 And I did wonder how at that point did they keep it on? 42 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:41,320 And we've mentioned it before about bad weather. 43 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:44,720 Certainly Brands 95 we've talked about it. 44 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:47,600 Silverstone 99, the finale again. 45 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:50,840 I think this is another race where, had it been held these 46 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:53,160 days, they would not have run in those conditions. 47 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:56,440 Yeah. As always, we also asked our 48 00:02:56,440 --> 00:02:59,280 faithful listeners what they thought of this race meeting, 49 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:01,480 and they've come up with some of the following. 50 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:06,120 Alistair Sloane remembers going to his 18th birthday party. 51 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:10,200 He said it was very, very wet, which we've already mentioned a 52 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:14,560 couple of times and we'll get into much more about that later 53 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:18,320 on in the episode. Andy Taylor got in touch to say 54 00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:21,600 his memory of this race is John Cleland going down the back 55 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:25,240 straight towards the hairpin ranting about not being able to 56 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:28,520 see a thing and you guessed it, the driving rain. 57 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:32,440 Whilst Dougie Dowson got in touch to tell us that he spent a 58 00:03:32,440 --> 00:03:35,720 whole week up there playing golf and had a great time, which I 59 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:38,600 can imagine some brilliant golf courses in that part of the 60 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:42,720 world. Dougie Dougie is Roger Dowson's 61 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:48,520 brother and this was by far the strongest weekend that Mazda 62 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:52,040 that Roger Dawson's team were running and obviously the first 63 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:54,600 year they were in the championship in 92 Mazda. 64 00:03:57,120 --> 00:04:00,560 By far the most competitive showing for the three 2-3 in 92 65 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:06,920 was here, and Patrick does feature a fair bit in in this 66 00:04:06,920 --> 00:04:09,640 episode so. I think he was near the front 67 00:04:09,640 --> 00:04:11,320 and then he threw it off again, didn't he? 68 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:14,200 Yeah, yeah. Which doesn't sound like 69 00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:17,480 Patrick, does it? Oh, Patrick. 70 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:26,720 Ahead of the first ever BTCC meeting at Knock Hill, the 71 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:30,040 biggest news circulating in the paddock was Renault's potential 72 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:35,160 entry into the series for 1993 with their 19 model. 73 00:04:35,840 --> 00:04:38,760 The French manufacturer was reportedly evaluating the 74 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:42,600 championship as a platform to showcase its competitiveness and 75 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:46,280 touring car racing, with the Renault 19 seen as a strong 76 00:04:46,280 --> 00:04:48,600 contender against the established grid. 77 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:52,280 Their entry would complete their involvement in the new Super 78 00:04:52,280 --> 00:04:55,480 meeting package that Toker had recently announced. 79 00:04:56,760 --> 00:04:59,680 No decisions have been made yet, said Renault's Tim Jackson. 80 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:04,320 It would certainly be the final piece of the jigsaw to have BTCC 81 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:08,200 entry, though if confirmed, Renault's arrival would have 82 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:11,600 added further depth to an already fiercely competitive 83 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:15,400 championship. Greg, we obviously now know that 84 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:18,880 this rumour was indeed true and that Renault ended the series at 85 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:23,320 the start of 1993. Was this the first manufacturer 86 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:25,840 seeing what benefits there were of being involved in the 87 00:05:25,840 --> 00:05:28,600 championship? Yeah, I think we'd already seen 88 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:32,480 manufacturers that were mainly specifically in touring cars, 89 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:36,080 you know, Vauxhall, BMW, Ford, but I think Renault was the 90 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:38,800 first one that was involved in other motorsport, obviously 91 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:42,880 Formula One, and this was their first move into a touring car 92 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:45,800 racing campaign. So I really think it showed 93 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:49,640 that, you know, where the focus was and the benefits of entering 94 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:52,120 the British touring cars was was clear to see. 95 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:54,160 So yeah, I think it was a real signal of intent. 96 00:05:54,440 --> 00:05:55,840 And then many followed after that. 97 00:05:56,720 --> 00:06:00,240 Prior to the meeting, Peugeot confirmed that their works team 98 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:03,600 would not be making the trip to Scotland, the team instead 99 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:06,880 preferring to remain in England and concentrating on the 100 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:10,920 development of the four O 5. The project had lost valuable 101 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:13,960 time after the car was damaged at the previous meeting at 102 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:18,120 Donington Park, team manager Mick Linford told Autosport. 103 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:21,920 By doing this, the car will take a definite step forward when we 104 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:23,920 head to Pembrey for the next meeting. 105 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:28,440 Alex, this Perjury team were having a really tough debut 106 00:06:28,440 --> 00:06:31,760 season in the Championship world and they may be a sign of things 107 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:38,080 to come as well for the. Era, yeah, I mean, we all know 108 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:41,200 now, don't we? Having heard from the horse's 109 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:46,800 mouth about just how bad or how tough things were bad makes it 110 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:49,160 sound like it was a bad team. It wasn't a bad team. 111 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:52,440 It was a team full of great people, Mick being one of them. 112 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:57,760 But a tough environment. And, yeah, Persia were 113 00:06:57,760 --> 00:07:00,840 struggling. They hadn't done anything, 114 00:07:00,840 --> 00:07:05,880 really with the 405. In fact, later on in this series 115 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:10,640 season, Gary Ailes would come over to the Donnington meeting. 116 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:11,560 That's it. Yeah. 117 00:07:11,560 --> 00:07:16,760 And score more points in one meeting with the Persia Italia 118 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:20,680 car than Persia had scored up until that point that season. 119 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:27,320 As we know, that was all a very political argument that they 120 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:29,880 were having no data being shared. 121 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:34,560 Yeah, You see, you know, listeners will know exactly why 122 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:40,240 Peugeot was such a a tough place to be in in this era, but a wise 123 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:42,920 choice to to not make, not make the trip. 124 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:45,120 It didn't happen very often in this era. 125 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:51,080 It sort of reared its head again in the mid, mid 10s. 126 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:54,840 If you remember, quite a few teams used to skip, not kill, 127 00:07:55,360 --> 00:07:57,720 just because of the cost of getting up here. 128 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:03,480 But if Peugeot felt they were better suited to take in some 129 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:08,280 time out and testing at Pembrey to try and get the car sorted, 130 00:08:08,280 --> 00:08:12,000 then you know it's worth it. It's worth a go. 131 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:17,280 I really think that the, the programme probably suffered with 132 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:19,000 only having one driver at this point. 133 00:08:19,880 --> 00:08:25,520 I think it it got stronger that 93 car by mid season was 134 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:29,400 actually quite, quite decent. And as we know Patrick got some 135 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:36,360 good results in the 94405. So yeah, I, I do think that they 136 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:41,320 needed, they needed something whether that was going to, to, 137 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:45,880 to Pembrey and testing, I think it probably sorted one problem. 138 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:49,440 But from what we can gather, you saw one problem here at Peugeot. 139 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:52,720 And three or four of others arrive. 140 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:55,560 Others pop up in another part of the team. 141 00:08:55,560 --> 00:08:59,920 So yeah, I don't know about anyone else, but when I listened 142 00:08:59,920 --> 00:09:02,560 to that Meek Linford episode or when we when we were speaking 143 00:09:02,560 --> 00:09:04,920 with him, I just felt really sorry for him. 144 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:08,920 Yeah. Just wanted to give a big hug. 145 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:12,760 It still staggers me now why they've got no support. 146 00:09:12,760 --> 00:09:15,120 It wasn't as though they were competing with France. 147 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:18,840 There was, I could never, ever see any reason why it was like 148 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:21,040 it was. It just made no sense. 149 00:09:22,040 --> 00:09:25,200 It's as though they entered it against the will of the French 150 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:27,320 team and that's what they were being punished for it. 151 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:30,040 But it wasn't like that. It just just never made any 152 00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:32,360 sense. No, no, it never, never ever, 153 00:09:32,360 --> 00:09:35,400 ever made any sense. Every other works programme when 154 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:40,840 Honda entered MSD built about 10 Accords, 11 Accords and two of 155 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:44,080 them went to Germany, three of them went to Britain, 11 spare, 156 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:48,120 two of them went to to Japan and whatnot. 157 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:50,800 They were all the same cars. It was the same when the Vector 158 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:54,040 launched every, every championship had the same car. 159 00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:55,920 In fact, that's why Vauxhall struggled. 160 00:09:55,920 --> 00:09:59,360 If you listen to to certain people is because they reckon 161 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:02,880 that the the error of the Vector was more suited to the European 162 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:07,400 circuits. I don't know, it's the whole 163 00:10:07,400 --> 00:10:14,440 Peugeot thing was a very strange and very odd setup and yeah, it 164 00:10:16,680 --> 00:10:19,880 didn't do much good, but it it was worth a go, I guess. 165 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:24,800 Making a one off appearance at Not Kill for BMW was British 166 00:10:24,800 --> 00:10:29,080 rally champion Colin McRae. Prodrive entered a guest car for 167 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:32,720 McRae as part of the promotion for the inaugural race at the 168 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:36,600 Scottish circuit. Scott had minimal circuit racing 169 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:40,760 experience and did not test the BMW until the day before the 170 00:10:40,760 --> 00:10:44,240 start of the weekend, with the team noting that Mcrae's focus 171 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:48,400 was fully on rallying rather than racing in the BTCC. 172 00:10:49,680 --> 00:10:53,200 Alex Colin might not yet have been a huge style that he became 173 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:56,720 later on in his career, but he was already by this point a 174 00:10:56,720 --> 00:10:59,680 British Rally Champion and had already finished on the podium 175 00:10:59,680 --> 00:11:03,400 in the World Rally Championship. So an exciting guest appearance 176 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:06,680 that is for the championship? Yeah, exciting. 177 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:10,800 For people within motorsport, if you're a motorsport fan, you 178 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:12,640 would have known who Colin McRae was. 179 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:17,240 It wasn't to the level of, say, Mansell the Toker Shootout. 180 00:11:17,840 --> 00:11:22,160 It wasn't a well known name. We're not, we're not talking 181 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:26,720 Colin McRae post 95, you know, and he would say when, you know, 182 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:29,880 when he had his own computer game and he had all the all the 183 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:35,600 image rights and Colin McRae was like just cool, you know, it 184 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:38,400 wasn't to that level. But if you knew MO, if you were 185 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:41,240 into motorsport, you would know Colin McRae. 186 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:44,360 Well, yeah, he's Jimmy Son and he's doing great things in the 187 00:11:44,360 --> 00:11:46,520 British championship. He's finished on the podium in 188 00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:48,640 the world. He's going to be a great rally 189 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:53,440 driver. So it wasn't it might have drawn 190 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:57,000 a few more in on the on the on the gate at Knock Hill, 191 00:11:57,320 --> 00:12:02,280 especially up in Scotland. An exciting guest appearance for 192 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:06,480 motorsport fans, but not not one that would bring in, you know, 193 00:12:07,240 --> 00:12:11,080 Mansell at Donnington in 93 levels then, if you get what I'm 194 00:12:11,080 --> 00:12:14,400 saying. But definitely an exciting 195 00:12:14,400 --> 00:12:18,800 driver. I mean, everyone knows what what 196 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:22,920 what how exciting Colin McRae was to watch on a rally stage 197 00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:26,360 and there was no reason why he wouldn't bring similar levels of 198 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:29,640 excitement to the BTCC, especially when he refuses to 199 00:12:29,640 --> 00:12:31,200 use ABS. Yes. 200 00:12:31,680 --> 00:12:34,440 And was it right in the Matt Neil episode he said he didn't 201 00:12:34,440 --> 00:12:37,800 actually have a licence to race. Yeah, for somehow he got onto 202 00:12:37,800 --> 00:12:40,080 the grid. Yeah, I mean, that's mad isn't 203 00:12:40,080 --> 00:12:41,680 it? You think about that now. 204 00:12:41,680 --> 00:12:45,520 It would never happen though. But yeah, he didn't actually 205 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:51,320 have a a racing licence to to race on the circuit Accord. 206 00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:54,720 I'd never heard that before. But yeah, I I was shocked when 207 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:59,600 Matt said that, which probably angered Steve Neil even more 208 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:02,160 than not. Not that I want to drop any 209 00:13:02,160 --> 00:13:05,840 spoilers, but Steve Neil does get a little irate in this 210 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:11,920 episode. The Saturday practise sessions 211 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:14,040 were both dominated by the weather. 212 00:13:14,680 --> 00:13:18,280 The mixed conditions shook up the order and a Curia cost were 213 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:22,320 the biggest beneficiaries, with David Leslie taking pole and 214 00:13:22,320 --> 00:13:25,640 teammate Bobby Verdon rose securing a front row lookout for 215 00:13:25,640 --> 00:13:28,080 the Scottish squad at their home race. 216 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:31,440 Team manager Ray Malik explained the result. 217 00:13:31,960 --> 00:13:34,760 The balance of the cars has been good all weekend and we're on 218 00:13:34,760 --> 00:13:36,720 the right tyres at the right time. 219 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:39,720 It was important to stay out there whilst the track was 220 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:42,120 drying. I'm surprised that Moore didn't 221 00:13:42,120 --> 00:13:45,800 do the same. Leslie was delighted too. 222 00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:50,440 An Arcuria cost 1-2 in Scotland, What more could you want? 223 00:13:51,600 --> 00:13:54,240 Verdun Roy, meanwhile, thought he could have had the pole. 224 00:13:54,920 --> 00:13:58,440 I had to lift off at the chicane on my best lap when John Clement 225 00:13:58,440 --> 00:14:01,560 got in my way, explained Bobby after the session. 226 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:05,680 Greg, that's a great start to the weekend for the Arcuria 227 00:14:05,680 --> 00:14:09,280 costume, isn't it? Yeah, I think you've heard of I 228 00:14:09,280 --> 00:14:11,320 wrote that script before and they'd have been very, very 229 00:14:11,320 --> 00:14:13,120 pleased. But I think also it's like the 230 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:16,680 the emergence of a Curia cost as a team into the British Touring 231 00:14:16,680 --> 00:14:18,040 Cars. It was their first year, 232 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:21,760 obviously run by Ray Malik, the start of Ray Malik's journey 233 00:14:21,760 --> 00:14:25,920 into the British Touring Car Championship and also really the 234 00:14:25,920 --> 00:14:28,120 start of David Leslie's career as well. 235 00:14:28,120 --> 00:14:30,720 So, you know, I think there's a number of things that this was 236 00:14:30,720 --> 00:14:34,360 the emergence and I can only imagine that the the works 237 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:37,600 Vauxhall team of Dave Cook, this was probably the first sign that 238 00:14:37,600 --> 00:14:41,320 all someone might be looking for our work still for the future 239 00:14:41,320 --> 00:14:44,000 years, which we know is what actually happened. 240 00:14:44,280 --> 00:14:48,240 So yeah, new team of Vauxhall, old Dave Cook cars on the grid 241 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:50,240 and outperforming the works cars. 242 00:14:50,400 --> 00:14:54,560 So yeah, quite a, quite a shock. Jeff Allen's recent fine form 243 00:14:54,560 --> 00:14:59,560 continued as he set the third fastest time, with Steve Sober 244 00:14:59,560 --> 00:15:03,680 four fastest, just ahead of his Bickley Most Sport teammate Tim 245 00:15:03,680 --> 00:15:06,600 Harvey. The pair were well clear of the 246 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:11,000 rest of the BMW 318IS contingent, all of whom 247 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:14,400 benefited from recent rule adjustments which had narrowed 248 00:15:14,400 --> 00:15:17,720 the weight differential between front and rear wheel drive cars 249 00:15:17,760 --> 00:15:21,680 by 25 kilos. Mcrae's debut in the 250 00:15:21,680 --> 00:15:24,560 championship was one of the struggle in the practise 251 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:28,360 sessions column. Was really quite blase about the 252 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:32,640 whole thing, said Tom Hunt, team manager to Most Sport magazine 253 00:15:32,640 --> 00:15:36,560 in 2006. At the time we were running ABS 254 00:15:36,600 --> 00:15:39,320 and sucked in a menu. Was saying during the test that 255 00:15:39,320 --> 00:15:40,760 they couldn't break over the bump. 256 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:45,400 Colin told them if you want to break there, just break there. 257 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:49,480 He maintained that he'd be better off without the ABS so we 258 00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:51,160 removed it for one of the sessions. 259 00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:54,080 Within 3 laps he'd put it into the gravel. 260 00:15:56,280 --> 00:15:58,760 That's quite an interesting first aid for Colin isn't it? 261 00:15:58,760 --> 00:16:01,840 Behind the wheel of a circuit racing car. 262 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:04,680 Yeah, well, I think again, it was his like approach to 263 00:16:04,680 --> 00:16:06,600 rallying. I think many, many times he said 264 00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:08,960 the only way to find the limit is to go over it. 265 00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:12,640 And I think we saw that in in his early rallying days where 266 00:16:12,640 --> 00:16:16,360 cars were absolutely wrecked and in pieces. 267 00:16:16,360 --> 00:16:21,080 I remember one RAC rally and then Rs Cosworth, the whole car 268 00:16:21,080 --> 00:16:24,080 was nearly destroyed. Similarly Subaru Legacy. 269 00:16:24,080 --> 00:16:27,160 So I think it was just him applying the limits, finding 270 00:16:27,160 --> 00:16:29,600 where they were, stepping over them and then adapting his 271 00:16:29,600 --> 00:16:32,360 driving style accordingly. But that was what made him such 272 00:16:32,360 --> 00:16:34,480 a such an amazing talent, I think. 273 00:16:35,160 --> 00:16:39,040 Yeah, Yeah. I mean that's, it's very Colin 274 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:41,040 McRae, isn't it? That so if you just want to 275 00:16:41,040 --> 00:16:46,000 break there, just break there. And to sort of say that he would 276 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:49,680 be better without ABS and then within 3 laps putting it in the 277 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:53,240 gravel. I mean, but as you say, Greg, 278 00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:56,640 that's just him pushing the limits, finding out, you know 279 00:16:56,640 --> 00:16:59,480 what, I'm going to try it without and see where we go. 280 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:04,240 And yeah, that's what he became famous for. 281 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:07,960 You know, you know, later on in his rally in Korea, we've we've 282 00:17:07,960 --> 00:17:11,960 seen Ford Focuses with wheels collapsed and he's just dragging 283 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:14,720 them along. In fact, the other day it popped 284 00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:18,040 up on my socials feed, a clip of him. 285 00:17:18,040 --> 00:17:21,079 And I think Nikki Grist was talking about an incident where 286 00:17:21,560 --> 00:17:27,160 they done something to the suspension or they bent an arm 287 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:30,920 really quite badly. So Colin got out, got the car 288 00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:33,560 up, took the arm off and he's literally with a boulder 289 00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:39,560 slamming it back straight, put it back on the car and got to 290 00:17:39,560 --> 00:17:45,640 the got to the timing line. Very, very, very short amount of 291 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:48,000 time before he would be penalised. 292 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:51,320 But they got there and he didn't get penalised and it was just 293 00:17:52,520 --> 00:17:55,800 incredible. That's just the the the the 294 00:17:55,800 --> 00:17:59,440 nature of the man that he was. Yeah. 295 00:18:02,800 --> 00:18:08,800 The thought of just him throwing it around in A318IS Super Tour 296 00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:12,560 or two litre car at this point, Yeah, it's just quite funny 297 00:18:12,560 --> 00:18:13,920 really isn't it? Yeah, yeah. 298 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:18,640 Patrick Watts had the Mazda going superbly again as Roger 299 00:18:18,640 --> 00:18:21,720 Dowson's efficient team continued to make good progress 300 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:24,960 with the 323. He was a head of championship 301 00:18:24,960 --> 00:18:27,160 leader John Cleland, who was eighth. 302 00:18:27,920 --> 00:18:31,760 We were on the right ties at the wrong time or vice versa, said 303 00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:35,560 John after the sessions. Alan Menus, Peretti 304 00:18:35,560 --> 00:18:38,480 intermediates were on the point of coming good when the rain 305 00:18:38,480 --> 00:18:41,640 came down again. His ninth fastest time was a 306 00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:45,320 great effort set on wets when the track was well past its 307 00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:48,280 best. For other reasons he wouldn't 308 00:18:48,280 --> 00:18:51,280 start the race. A story we will cover shortly. 309 00:18:52,640 --> 00:18:56,320 In 10th and 11th were the Toyota pair of Andy Rouse and Wilhoi. 310 00:18:56,960 --> 00:18:59,440 Both were struggling to find a good wet setup. 311 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:03,080 Willard also had a very big accident at Duffer's Dip on 312 00:19:03,080 --> 00:19:06,200 Thursday. Sterling work by Rouses crew had 313 00:19:06,200 --> 00:19:10,680 the car straightened on the jig at a local dealer back in shape 314 00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:13,480 by Friday evening. But Will was suffering. 315 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:17,360 His helmet had hit the steering wheel in the impact and he'd 316 00:19:17,360 --> 00:19:19,800 pulled a lot of neck and back muscles. 317 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:24,560 He was trying herbal remedies, frequent massages and even 318 00:19:24,560 --> 00:19:26,920 acupuncture to put himself back on form. 319 00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:30,720 Greg not kills. Not really the place you want to 320 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:33,000 be if you suffer from neck and back pain is it? 321 00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:35,120 No, I definitely not. I think, I think with the the 322 00:19:35,120 --> 00:19:38,160 undulated nature of it, it's a really fast lap. 323 00:19:38,560 --> 00:19:41,360 I don't think there's really any straights apart from the start 324 00:19:41,360 --> 00:19:43,600 line straight, which doesn't last very long where you have 325 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:48,200 any time to to rest or so forth. So yeah, I can only imagine that 326 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:51,200 was a tough, tough weekend for him after his crash on the 327 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:56,000 Thursday. Talking of injuries, Ala Menu 328 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:59,600 season was over on the Saturday night when he suffered a 329 00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:03,560 compound fracture of his right leg along with ligament damage 330 00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:07,680 after kitting a car horse riding a quad bike through the paddock. 331 00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:11,960 Menu had moved across to give an oncoming Volkswagen room but 332 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:14,760 lost control and hit the car head on instead. 333 00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:18,160 He underwent an initial operation in Dunfermline the 334 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:21,200 following day, with experts suggesting that the ligament 335 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:24,320 damage would see him out of action for the next 6 months. 336 00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:27,240 Alex, that's a big shame for Menu. 337 00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:30,200 He was having a really decent debut season. 338 00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:34,440 Yeah, he was, and a lot of people forget that actually our 339 00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:37,160 Menu made his debut in the series in a BMW. 340 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:42,040 Lots of people associate Menu with starting with Renault, but 341 00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:48,320 he was quietly getting a decent return from that BMW. 342 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:51,960 If you remember, this was the BMW that A was struggling at the 343 00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:58,320 start of the year and B was the pro drive BMW, which as we have 344 00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:04,160 learned since was, even though looking very similar, were 345 00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:07,080 definitely very different under the under the under the bonnet 346 00:21:07,080 --> 00:21:10,040 in the sense that the teams went their own way. 347 00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:15,600 They didn't, they weren't collaborating together and that 348 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:23,280 is why the VL, the VLRVLM, sorry, BMWs went on to be so 349 00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:28,640 dominant, whereas the other works team, because they were 350 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:35,120 both BMW supported entries, the Pro Dr entries never really 351 00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:40,240 matched that dominance. So yeah, Alan finished on the 352 00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:46,880 podium before this accident. And yeah, he was having a good, 353 00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:50,880 a good debut season, clearly one to watch. 354 00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:54,720 He was still harbouring dreams of single seat or Formula One at 355 00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:58,240 this point. But yeah, I mean, this accident, 356 00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:02,680 from what I'm led to believe, for a very long time afterwards, 357 00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:05,200 Alan wasn't able to go running or jogging or anything. 358 00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:10,720 So it it, it sounded like it was quite a, quite a nasty incident 359 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:14,560 and it left quite left him in quite a bad way. 360 00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:19,040 It's a shame because obviously they would have had three cars 361 00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:20,760 out this weekend with McRae as well. 362 00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:27,400 So, yeah, I just feel for the Volkswagen driver as well, 363 00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:32,600 because yeah, you, yeah, you know, nobody wants to, nobody 364 00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:35,120 wants to run anyone over in the in the in the paddock. 365 00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:38,480 But yeah, just a very unfortunate accident. 366 00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:43,680 Sadly that that meant that Alan's season came to a halt and 367 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:50,400 with BMW leaving the championship at the end of 92 368 00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:57,880 originally, it was only when they fell out with the DTM 369 00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:00,400 bosses that Steve Super mentioned a couple of episodes 370 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:05,840 ago the BMW then returned that Alan had lined up his contract 371 00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:09,600 with Renault who as you just said Levi were looking at 372 00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:12,040 entering the series at this point. 373 00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:15,880 Makes me wonder how much contact Alan had had with Renault at 374 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:20,400 this point you know. But had this not happened, would 375 00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:22,440 he have stayed with BMW? Would be would he have been a 376 00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:24,680 BMW driver? Who knows? 377 00:23:25,360 --> 00:23:28,480 I love these little, these two segues. 378 00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:30,360 Yeah. What if this had happened? 379 00:23:30,360 --> 00:23:32,840 And what if that happened and all these alternate universe 380 00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:35,400 type things, You know, would he have stayed with BMW? 381 00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:36,960 Would he have been champion in 93? 382 00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:40,200 Would he have knocked Winkle? Or would he have, you know, 383 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:42,360 would Winkle out not have come across, you know, all these 384 00:23:42,360 --> 00:23:43,720 things? Interesting. 385 00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:51,280 But yeah, a shame that his debut season was cut short in what 386 00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:53,280 sounded like quite a nasty accident. 387 00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:01,440 Race day morning was drier and the 15 minute warm up session 388 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:05,680 was a slick shot affair for all. Ralphs proved quickest ahead of 389 00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:09,400 Super and Alum. It was still dry for the first 390 00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:12,400 race and the whole grid started on slicks. 391 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:16,120 Leslie got away with Elm from pole to leave comfortably from 392 00:24:16,120 --> 00:24:22,800 his teammate Vernon Rowe so you could dive down the inside of 393 00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:26,240 Verdun Row into McIntyre to move briefly up to second. 394 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:30,600 Verdun Row was pushed wide and dropped welm back while Soap was 395 00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:34,400 also delayed and alum snatched second at the end of the first 396 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:37,240 lap. With that in mind, at the end of 397 00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:42,520 the first lap Leslie led by 1.12 seconds from alum Super Harvey 398 00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:48,160 Watts and Cleland Alex. The first lap at not kill one 399 00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:50,760 that would become the norm over the years at this circuit. 400 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:54,400 Not kills, not kill, isn't it? I mean, you just have to look at 401 00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:58,800 it and say and, and, and know that it's going to be a bit of 402 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:02,360 carnage, isn't it? You know, we were talking last 403 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:08,080 couple of weeks ago about Aiello and, and how impressive it was 404 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:11,600 that he got used to British tracks in in that one season he 405 00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:14,280 came and won. You know, I'd love to have seen 406 00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:17,520 his face when he first rocked up at Noch Hill and thought, what? 407 00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:20,560 Where am I? What is this? 408 00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:24,720 Where am I, you know? And yeah, no kill. 409 00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:26,040 It's just, it's just wild, isn't it? 410 00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:28,120 You look at it, you don't think they don't race around here, 411 00:25:28,120 --> 00:25:32,320 surely. But yeah, no Kill, as we now 412 00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:39,120 have come to know very well, is definitely a track that causes a 413 00:25:39,120 --> 00:25:43,640 fair bit of chaos, certainly on opening laps and especially in 414 00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:45,120 this era. It wouldn't have been. 415 00:25:45,120 --> 00:25:49,240 It wouldn't be the last time. Allen immediately started to 416 00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:53,040 chip away at Leslie's lead, and by the end of lap three he was 417 00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:56,600 right with him. Meanwhile, after a strong start, 418 00:25:56,880 --> 00:26:00,720 Watts ran wide at the final hairpin on lap 2, dropping from 419 00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:04,960 5th to 9th. Alex, It's another early visit 420 00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:08,080 to the Patrick Watts Sympathy Corner this series, isn't it? 421 00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:12,880 Welcome to the Patrick Watts Sympathy Corner. 422 00:26:16,120 --> 00:26:23,640 I I'd forgotten that Patrick runs so well until I researched 423 00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:27,920 this script, this race for them to to write this script. 424 00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:32,880 I'd forgotten and I was watching it thinking Patrick's up in 425 00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:34,320 fourth. Look, he's right behind so 426 00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:38,000 Prudential and and I was think he doesn't stay there shortly. 427 00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:42,720 And then literally as I say that he wants off the track in the 428 00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:46,560 hairpin and I'm just like and in my head I'm going, Oh, Patrick. 429 00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:51,040 And then you hear Murray going, Oh, Patrick, a real shame. 430 00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:55,640 But it still ends up being a good weekend for this little 431 00:26:55,640 --> 00:27:02,120 master that as I said at the start of the show, it wasn't 432 00:27:02,120 --> 00:27:07,840 really the most competitive touring car a master produced as 433 00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:12,800 we know. But at this little twisty knock 434 00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:17,160 hill, it seemed to suit it. And Patrick really dragged what 435 00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:22,160 results he could out of it. And interesting I think the only 436 00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:25,120 car in this era with pop up headlights. 437 00:27:26,360 --> 00:27:27,800 Yes, you're probably right, yeah. 438 00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:31,680 I'm trying to think of another one and a place like Knock Hill 439 00:27:32,120 --> 00:27:35,280 in the way in the rain. I can't. 440 00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:38,120 I can't think of another super tour in this era that had pop up 441 00:27:38,120 --> 00:27:40,640 headlights. No, I think you'll be right. 442 00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:43,880 I don't think there's many cars in that era that had Mazda was 443 00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:47,240 like MX Fives and so forth. I can't think there was anyone 444 00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:50,480 else that actually had that as. Well, no, no, You might have had 445 00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:51,960 some. You might have had some in the 446 00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:54,640 mid 80s, but yeah, certainly in the 90s there weren't any 447 00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:55,400 mothers. No. 448 00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:57,200 Yeah. Fill out the toy to Karina. 449 00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:58,640 That was the only car with mudflaps. 450 00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:04,680 Yes. Not sure that was an aerodynamic 451 00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:10,640 device for the future, but yeah. Also with mudflaps needed later 452 00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:12,400 on in the day. Yes, absolutely. 453 00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:17,200 Jeff Allen continued to nipple away at Leslie's advantage at 454 00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:21,600 the front until lap 7. David made a bit of a mistake at 455 00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:24,680 the chicane and I seized my chance, explained Allen. 456 00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:27,280 Greg, was that a good move from him there? 457 00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:30,120 Yeah, I think so. And I think it became a it's 458 00:28:30,120 --> 00:28:32,520 become a standard move at not kill. 459 00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:35,520 So you know, you come down Duffer's Dip, you go through the 460 00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:37,400 chicane. If you get a wide line there, 461 00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:39,200 then you you go out into the gravel. 462 00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:41,880 Now if you get a nice line through there, you can cut up 463 00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:44,080 and then it's on. Is it the railway straight and 464 00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:47,080 then into Denton's? I think it is, I have to say, 465 00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:48,120 not named after me. I wish it. 466 00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:51,720 Was so yeah, yeah. When we went there, we did 467 00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:54,160 think, well, actually has this been named after us as we were 468 00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:56,880 visiting fans, but clearly not, not the case. 469 00:28:56,880 --> 00:29:00,000 But yeah, I think it's become a a classic not kill move. 470 00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:04,360 So yeah, it was a it was good to see Jeff pull in such a move. 471 00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:07,320 Wasn't it named after this at some point? 472 00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:10,280 Wasn't it named the real radio hairpin or something like that 473 00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:12,240 if I remember right? Now might have done, there's a 474 00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:14,280 little shed there as well that you could stand in. 475 00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:17,200 So yes, this is like some of the quirks of Knockhill, some very 476 00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:21,400 strange stands and places to watch it. 477 00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:24,120 Going back to the previous question, it was like when you 478 00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:27,880 turned up there, this circuit was in the middle of nowhere on 479 00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:31,160 the side of a hill. You could stand in the centre of 480 00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:32,760 the circuit and see the whole thing. 481 00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:36,400 Totally unique, no debris fencing anywhere. 482 00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:39,760 The tyre barriers were agricultural. 483 00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:43,120 I would say at the start it was just a fantastic experience. 484 00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:45,320 Where you thought, is it really right? 485 00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:48,840 These cars are racing here. Padding was tiny, everyone was 486 00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:51,560 condensed in together. But it was, it was brilliant. 487 00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:55,360 Yeah, I remember later on in the year it was the only place where 488 00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:58,480 they didn't do the compulsory pit stops because the pit lane 489 00:29:58,480 --> 00:29:59,800 and the padding were just too tight. 490 00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:04,080 It was just too small. I've not been to Knockhill since 491 00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:08,880 98 and I don't know if anyone's been later, but it doesn't look 492 00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:14,240 like it's changed a bit really. No, no, my my friend went this 493 00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:16,520 year and again he said it's very much the same as what it was. 494 00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:19,520 Yes, they've upgraded some of the facilities, but it's still 495 00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:23,200 got that really lovely close knit feel to it. 496 00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:26,160 Yeah, yeah. Leslie's race would come to an 497 00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:29,440 end on lap 13 with the Scott going off track. 498 00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:33,320 I made a mistake at Duffer's and Tim went down the inside at 499 00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:36,880 McIntyre, said Leslie. He didn't make a mistake. 500 00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:40,160 I lined him up and took my chance, said Tim. 501 00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:43,960 That wasn't the end of it because at Clark, Leslie tried 502 00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:47,280 to come back at him on the outside, was left with no room 503 00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:50,880 and skated off the track. He managed to keep it all going 504 00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:54,000 but it picked up a puncture so returned to the pits to prepare 505 00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:57,800 for Race 2. Greg that that unravelled into 506 00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:00,120 quite a hectic racer. Let's do that, didn't it? 507 00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:03,720 Yeah, I think after the start of the Saturday and the good 508 00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:06,600 qualifying, it all sort of started to unravel through a 509 00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:08,800 curia cost. I've got a great picture of him 510 00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:13,280 in the dirt and car absolutely covered in in mud and so forth. 511 00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:16,680 So yeah, it was AI guess a bit of the the baptism of the 512 00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:19,280 British Touring Car Championship to David, which I'm sure we 513 00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:21,880 learned a lot from them, how he carried on improving his 514 00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:24,440 racecraft. But yeah, had a tough start. 515 00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:28,520 Allen was left clear at the front and consolidated his 516 00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:31,600 position to win by a clear 5 seconds. 517 00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:35,200 The next 4 continued to keep the crowd entertained as they ran 518 00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:38,240 close together. Harvey was fairly secure in 519 00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:42,400 second but when Super Run wide at Clark Round slipped fast into 520 00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:45,000 third. Cleland was fifth on the road 521 00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:47,800 but he was deemed to have ignored a black and orange flag 522 00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:50,640 shown to him as his back bumper was hanging off. 523 00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:54,560 Cleland's race ended after 21 laps. 524 00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:58,480 He was furious, pointing out that Leslie was unpenalised so 525 00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:01,720 much of the Grand Prix support race with the same issue. 526 00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:04,680 Why am I black one? Why am I black and on for that 527 00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:08,360 skipping never end it noise. The bloody bumper won't come off 528 00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:11,240 it. Alex, do you think John had a 529 00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:14,840 point there with the the direction of that race? 530 00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:21,080 Yes, I do actually. And it's this age-old motorsport 531 00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:24,320 problem that we still have today. 532 00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:27,960 It's consistency among a long decisions. 533 00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:34,600 John is completely right. Someone else, I think it was 534 00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:36,760 Leslie. Yeah, that was that was yeah, 535 00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:40,360 Leslie did have a very similar even the same car. 536 00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:47,560 So, you know, had the same problem at at Silverstone and 537 00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:52,080 nothing was done about it. So why should John suffer? 538 00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:58,640 I mean, this inconsistency in in in decision making could cost, 539 00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:00,280 could have cost John the championship. 540 00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:02,640 I mean, there's no good of about it. 541 00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:07,800 It had an effect because John lost the championship by a 542 00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:12,480 number of points to Tim, didn't he, as we did? 543 00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:14,040 Was it much of A decider that year? 544 00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:17,080 I can't really. Remember, I don't think people 545 00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:23,120 really remember. So yeah, that's all. 546 00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:28,320 Any driver fan team, that's all we want is consistency of 547 00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:34,280 decisions if this has happened and this needs to happen. 548 00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:37,120 So say someone's bumper is hanging off, needs to go into 549 00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:40,640 the pits and get it taken off. And if not, this is the 550 00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:44,680 appropriate penalty. And if that's applied across the 551 00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:46,760 board every time it happens, fair enough. 552 00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:49,480 You can't have any arguments. The drivers know where they 553 00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:51,440 stand. The team, the team managers, 554 00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:54,560 teams know where they stand. The fans know where these rules 555 00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:57,720 stand. It's when it's, it's when it's 556 00:33:57,720 --> 00:33:59,640 ad hoc. It's like, yeah, well, OK, we'll 557 00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:02,000 penalise him. We won't penalise him. 558 00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:04,720 That's that's when it's not fair. 559 00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:07,480 And I get why it happens. I get why there's 560 00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:11,840 inconsistencies because you do have that. 561 00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:14,320 You don't have the same steward at every meeting. 562 00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:16,600 The same is not the same group of stewards. 563 00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:23,560 But yeah, it's very frustrating and I can totally see where John 564 00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:26,920 is coming from when he's like, I mean, he gets quite vociferous. 565 00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:31,719 He could, he called it stupid. He called the organiser stupid. 566 00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:34,760 So it's not like John. I know. 567 00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:38,320 But yeah, no, he totally had a point. 568 00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:43,239 And what you've got to remember is that the, the, the, the 569 00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:46,239 championship, the way the championship was organised at 570 00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:50,520 that time, if you were at the back, if you were out in race 571 00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:51,880 one, you're at the back for race 2. 572 00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:55,159 So it not only ruins you, you one race, it ruins your whole 573 00:34:55,159 --> 00:34:58,160 weekend. And unlike now where you've got 574 00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:01,040 a race three with a reverse grid to aim for, you think I can get 575 00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:05,120 to 12 or whatever? And see, see where I fall up on 576 00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:06,960 the on the reverse grid. That was it. 577 00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:08,760 Your second race, you're starting from the back again. 578 00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:13,880 And that was it. So I did feel for John. 579 00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:17,600 I've not really thought about it in the terms of the context of 580 00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:19,440 the championship, but it very much affected John's 581 00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:22,200 championship chances. If he didn't get black and 582 00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:25,120 orange flags, he would have finished in the points. 583 00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:27,320 He would have been higher up in race to. 584 00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:31,000 Do you see where this goes? It's just, yeah, it's, it's 585 00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:34,280 frustrating, but it's, it's not just in motorsport, it's the 586 00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:38,440 same in football with penalty contentious decisions on fouls. 587 00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:41,320 They still suffer with an F1 now so. 588 00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:43,760 You know, I was going to say 33 years later, the. 589 00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:45,560 Same thing happened this weekend exactly. 590 00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:46,800 That really. Yeah. 591 00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:48,280 Is it consistent? Is it fair? 592 00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:51,040 Exactly. We've just had a Mexican Grand 593 00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:55,240 Prix Where you know, not to go off track too much, but a bit 594 00:35:55,240 --> 00:35:58,520 like Charles Leclerc really, where he went off track and I 595 00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:00,720 thought that was a penalty and it wasn't. 596 00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:04,840 And then a couple of laps later Hamilton does something similar 597 00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:08,600 and gets a 10 second penalty. It's all all people want is 598 00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:10,120 consistency. Yes. 599 00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:14,440 All this attrition left Colin McRae to score a point on his 600 00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:19,880 BTCC debut in 8th place and despite all the drama there was 601 00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:24,280 still more to come as the second race was even more chaotic than 602 00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:30,480 the first. There were a lot of unhappy 603 00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:33,160 people in the pits as they prepared for the second race. 604 00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:37,080 John Cleland was as Anthony Reed would describe hopping mad 605 00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:41,040 whilst the Curia, Cost boys and Patrick Watts all discovered 606 00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:44,520 that as non finishes in the first race that meant they would 607 00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:46,840 have to start race 2 from the pit lane. 608 00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:51,640 At the start was all action. Alan got away well as did Sopa 609 00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:55,320 who ran side by side with Harvey through Duffer's and McIntyre. 610 00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:59,680 As these two slowed each other rounds jumped both to be second 611 00:36:59,720 --> 00:37:02,920 out of Clark. It all mattered little however 612 00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:05,760 because at the back Leslie had hit the tyre wall at the bottom 613 00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:08,560 of Duffers and rolled bringing out the red flag. 614 00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:12,680 David was one of those who had joined from the pits without a 615 00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:15,920 warm up lap. I was taking it easy knowing the 616 00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:18,760 tyres were cold, felt there was something wrong coming out. 617 00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:22,280 The right-hander turned left and nothing happened. 618 00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:27,160 Alex That's probably the dangers of racing on cold tyres rearing 619 00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:30,720 its head there, isn't it? Yes, yeah, undoubtedly. 620 00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:34,280 Cold tyres, Very, very tricky conditions. 621 00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:38,080 Yeah. He, he, he was already angry as 622 00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:39,760 well, so you'd have been riled up. 623 00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:45,560 Yeah, it was a recipe for disaster almost. 624 00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:50,360 And yeah, it meant that David's. It's a shame, isn't it? 625 00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:54,840 Because as we've sort of said throughout tonight's episode of 626 00:37:54,840 --> 00:38:00,000 today's episode, the curio costs were really doing things with a 627 00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:03,880 Vauxhall that let's not forget, these are year old Vauxhalls. 628 00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:06,680 Yeah. So David has gone from being on 629 00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:09,480 pole position in race one to having all that chaos in the 630 00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:13,640 first race and then ending on his roof at the end of the first 631 00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:17,040 lap in race 2. It's a, it's a real what if 632 00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:20,920 because those cars were really quick and it's a shame that and, 633 00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:25,840 and David's really quick. So it's a shame that that his 634 00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:29,520 race ended the way he did. It took some time for Leslie's 635 00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:33,800 car to be retrieved and for the tyre barrier to be repaired and 636 00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:36,880 as the countdown sequence began a rain cloud approached. 637 00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:40,960 The track was already damp as they started the Walmart lap and 638 00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:44,320 as they returned to the grid the start delayed board was 639 00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:47,080 displayed. This time the first race 640 00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:50,400 retirees were allowed to do the Walmart lap and then re enter 641 00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:52,880 the race. By the time the race was 642 00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:56,400 restarted the Scottish weather was doing it's worst and the 643 00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:59,760 heavens had opened. The pit starters joined the 644 00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:01,640 Walmart lap and formed up on the grid. 645 00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:04,880 At the green. Harvey got a perfect start to 646 00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:08,840 lead, I took it away almost like a road car and it worked 647 00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:11,080 perfectly, said Tim after the race. 648 00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:15,600 Alan tried a similar approach but his engine bogged down and 649 00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:18,080 it was Belm who was second into Duffus. 650 00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:22,120 Greg, looking back, this is probably one of the worst 651 00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:25,560 conditions the championship raced in during this era, wasn't 652 00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:27,200 it? Yeah, absolutely. 653 00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:30,200 I think there's a there's a few that were on similar level, but 654 00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:33,680 yeah, this was pretty bad. Obviously the Donnington 1993 655 00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:37,360 European Grand Prix support race was pretty bad as well. 656 00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:40,760 We've already discussed that one in the previous episode. 657 00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:43,280 And then there was also the round at Silverstone that 658 00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:46,840 actually got abandoned in the end because of a like a monsoon 659 00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:49,680 that hit the circuit. And this is the one where Frank 660 00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:53,120 Sittner thought it'd won because he was leading. 661 00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:57,880 He started the race on on wet tyres and yeah, I think John 662 00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:00,880 Cleland was then declared the winner, but then it hadn't made 663 00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:02,800 enough distance. But that was also pretty 664 00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:06,560 horrific. But yeah, Nokia was was up there 665 00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:10,560 with one of the worst ones off I've been in and yeah, there was 666 00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:13,680 nowhere to shelter at. Nokia was, I said, very few 667 00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:16,320 grandstands. So I seem to remember we got a 668 00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:18,560 good good soaking like the cars did as well. 669 00:40:20,720 --> 00:40:24,640 On lap 2, Super moved up to 3rd at the expense of his teammate. 670 00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:28,560 I thought I'd better let him free, Belm said after the race. 671 00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:33,880 Belm's race then continued to go backwards as Rouse moved past, 672 00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:37,440 while Super, moving across to defend his line from Rouse into 673 00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:39,840 Taylor's, found quite a large puddle. 674 00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:43,320 He had complained off and rejoined at the tail of the 675 00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:45,880 field. This meant Rouse was up to 676 00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:48,920 third. Meanwhile, it was John Cleland 677 00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:52,640 who was the man on the move. I was so angry after that first 678 00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:55,400 race, he said. But I thought, I've got nothing 679 00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:58,720 to lose, I'll just go for it and I thoroughly enjoyed it. 680 00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:03,600 Will Hoy's miserable weekend fizzled out with terminal clutch 681 00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:06,520 slip. My back will be back and so will 682 00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:10,560 I, he claimed. Matt Neil was another star of 683 00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:14,080 the show, running as high as 4th until clowning got by. 684 00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:18,800 He then came under increasing pressure from McRae, who was far 685 00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:20,640 away at home in these conditions. 686 00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:24,480 The Scott spent almost the first half of the race trying to get 687 00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:28,520 past until he turned nil around at the exit of the final corner 688 00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:31,880 on lap 9. Over the course of a lap I was 689 00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:35,160 definitely faster than him, so I was determined to find a way 690 00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:39,800 past, McCray told Motorsport magazine in 2006 when looking 691 00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:43,880 back at this meeting. Then at the hairpin he seemed to 692 00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:47,240 break harder than usual and there was absolutely nowhere for 693 00:41:47,240 --> 00:41:49,840 me to go. I couldn't help giving an 694 00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:52,480 attack. I kept going and he didn't. 695 00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:55,480 I thought that's what touring cars are all about. 696 00:41:55,480 --> 00:42:00,640 Anyway, this is a fairly controversial 1 gents. 697 00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:03,280 What are your views on it? How? 698 00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:07,240 I'll let you go first. I mean, it's a proper show, 699 00:42:07,240 --> 00:42:09,320 isn't it? It really is. 700 00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:12,120 There's no, there's no two ways about it. 701 00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:18,080 He shoves him and then doesn't back off. 702 00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:23,560 And of course Matt's Matt's in a rear wheel drive car and he just 703 00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:27,440 keeps driving at him and the pendulum swings and Matt just 704 00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:33,040 ends up in the the the most boggy sodden ground that you 705 00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:34,840 could and he's never going to get out of there. 706 00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:41,040 I feel really sorry for Matt because as you mentioned, just 707 00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:45,800 just at the start of this, of this section that he was up in 708 00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:49,240 4th at one point in, in the old M3. 709 00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:54,480 And yeah, he, he was, he was doing really, really well. 710 00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:58,920 And for, for Mccree to come along and just just do that. 711 00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:04,720 I just, I don't know, slightly disrespectful maybe. 712 00:43:04,720 --> 00:43:08,480 I'm not sure the, the dismissive nature of the, I thought that's 713 00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:10,200 what Touring Cars is about anyway. 714 00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:17,400 It's such a shame it ended in that way because because 715 00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:20,920 obviously Colin was doing well to be running as high as he was. 716 00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:24,120 I mean, the conditions were ideal for him, I guess. 717 00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:28,520 You know, it's, it suited him to a tee, these sorts of slippery 718 00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:34,160 conditions. But yeah, a shame for, for, for 719 00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:37,640 Matt. And yeah, I don't think I'd want 720 00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:41,960 to be on the end of Steve Neal's chat talking about anyone else. 721 00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:44,640 I'm not sure about that. Yeah. 722 00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:48,320 I think just back in a while said I think it was a really 723 00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:53,480 naughty move, shove a tap. I think that's going to look not 724 00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:55,800 really far enough. It was a proper just push you 725 00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:58,680 out the way and then snow plough you and get get you gone. 726 00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:02,840 I I think the irony of the whole thing, if you remember at the 727 00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:05,960 penultimate round of the championship, Matt had a big 728 00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:09,960 crash in his M3 and wrote it off and he turned up at the last 729 00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:13,280 round of the championship in a white 318IS coupe. 730 00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:17,680 I don't track all the history of the chassis, but that was the 731 00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:19,880 third pro drive car that Colin drove. 732 00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:24,200 And I'm pretty sure that the car that back then finished the 733 00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:28,440 championship in was more like most likely to be the car that 734 00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:32,280 he got shoved off and not killed by by Colin McRae. 735 00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:36,720 So is that always a bit of an irony car that knocked him off 736 00:44:36,720 --> 00:44:42,960 the became his saviour because if he didn't get that car he had 737 00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:44,480 nothing to race at the last round? 738 00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:48,280 Yeah, yeah, yeah. The incident saw Neil retire 739 00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:52,440 from the race whilst McRae was disqualified having crossed the 740 00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:55,440 finishing line in an impressive fifth position before the 741 00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:58,360 stewards naturally had quite a stern word with him. 742 00:44:59,240 --> 00:45:03,040 One thing I'd like to wonder, I'd like I do wonder, and this 743 00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:08,400 is only ever since Matt told us this, is that what licence did 744 00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:10,840 he get his points on? Yes, exactly. 745 00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:18,160 At the front, Holly kept a small gap to Alum unsure until they 746 00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:21,320 got among the back markers and the Cavaliers lights came on 747 00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:25,720 just exactly where Jeff was. Alum settled for second. 748 00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:28,800 I was much quicker than him through the chicane and Clark 749 00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:31,840 explained Jeff, but I just couldn't see anything there. 750 00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:37,320 Meanwhile 3rd place had wonders for Clemens morale and also his 751 00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:41,320 temper whilst rousing Forth felt that the Vauxhall slightly 752 00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:44,120 different Yokohama wets worked better than his. 753 00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:48,760 Mcrae's exclusion gave an ecstatic Patrick Watts his best 754 00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:52,440 result of the season and 5th. But there was still more McRae 755 00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:56,280 drama to come. Rimstone Racing team was Steve 756 00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:59,120 Neil wanted to have his own chapter Colin so that he could 757 00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:03,080 find McRae, RIP his head off and shit down his neck. 758 00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:07,600 I can imagine Steve saying that as well, can't you? 759 00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:12,680 McRae remembered Matt was none too pleased, but Steve was 760 00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:16,120 definitely the spokesman. The quickest I went all weekend 761 00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:19,360 was probably that run back to the motorhome after the race. 762 00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:25,480 Alex, Steve Nils. Not exactly somebody you want to 763 00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:31,200 cut off the wrong side of. No, no, no, he's quite. 764 00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:36,000 I don't know if how many of our listeners had ever met Steve or, 765 00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:39,720 or stood next to him, for example, but he was a big bloke 766 00:46:42,720 --> 00:46:50,360 and very, very, yeah, he just had a an aura around him that 767 00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:56,320 was quite menacing. Yeah, I can definitely imagine 768 00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:59,920 Steve not being very happy and wanting to have a little chat 769 00:46:59,920 --> 00:47:05,440 with Colin. And I'm never sure, I don't 770 00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:07,560 know, ever. I'm never sure whether to be 771 00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:11,200 surprised or not about Colin's reaction, because I always 772 00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:13,160 thought Colin would be the sort of blase. 773 00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:15,280 I don't care. You can say what he wants to me. 774 00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:19,680 But you know from what? From, from, from that interview 775 00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:24,760 there where Colin gave to I think, Motorsport magazine, we 776 00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:31,760 got the quotes from in 2006. Yeah, he clearly was quite 777 00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:34,520 scared. But yeah, he didn't want to run 778 00:47:34,520 --> 00:47:36,560 into Steve, let's put it that way. 779 00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:43,920 And I can imagine Steve being because that would have been rim 780 00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:47,080 stock racing's best result of the season by some stretch. 781 00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:52,120 You know, we talk about privateers and best finishing 782 00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:55,960 positions. It wouldn't have been until 1995 783 00:47:56,120 --> 00:48:00,840 where Charlie Cox finished fifth at Brands Hatch, where a 784 00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:03,600 privately A finish as high as fifth again. 785 00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:09,000 So, yeah, so. So that would have been some 786 00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:12,600 result for for Steve, Matt and rim stock. 787 00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:16,000 So I get why he wasn't very happy. 788 00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:19,600 Yeah. I always remember being slightly 789 00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:25,120 surprised about Colin's reaction and possibly expecting him to be 790 00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:32,960 a bit more blasey about it. Not Kills BTCC debut was one to 791 00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:36,760 be remembered with the legendary Colin McRae causing all sorts of 792 00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:39,920 drama in his one off BTCC appearance. 793 00:48:40,720 --> 00:48:43,600 I'd like Frank Greg Denton for joining us once again to look 794 00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:46,840 back at this race and hope we'll see you on Stories From Super 795 00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:48,680 Touring again very soon. Greg. 796 00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:51,400 Again, I thank you again for inviting me. 797 00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:54,240 And it's that it's always great reminiscing on the on these 798 00:48:54,240 --> 00:48:56,640 classic races from the history of the touring car 799 00:48:56,640 --> 00:48:58,960 championships. And yeah, hopefully we can do 800 00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:02,280 another episode in the future. Sure we will, Greg. 801 00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:06,640 I'm sure we will. Oh, thanks as ever, go to you 802 00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:09,560 guys to listening to the show and if you enjoyed today's 803 00:49:09,560 --> 00:49:12,760 episode, please make sure to give us a review five star 804 00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:16,720 rating and subscribe to the podcast feed on your podcast 805 00:49:16,720 --> 00:49:19,760 type of choice. In the mean time, we will see 806 00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:21,280 you next week. Goodbye.