1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:17,600 Stories from Super Touring. Tim 2 00:00:17,600 --> 00:00:20,860 Harvey came agonisingly close to taking Peugeot's 3 00:00:20,860 --> 00:00:26,020 maiden BTCC victory at Fruxton in 1997. With 4 00:00:26,020 --> 00:00:29,420 the 1992 champion having to settle for second place, 5 00:00:29,900 --> 00:00:32,880 just 0 .6 seconds behind eventual race winner 6 00:00:32,880 --> 00:00:36,760 Gabriele Tarqueini. Welcome to the latest episode of 7 00:00:36,760 --> 00:00:38,560 Stories from Super Touring. I'm 8 00:00:38,560 --> 00:00:41,480 Leo Vairailly and on this week's episode Alex, Adam 9 00:00:41,480 --> 00:00:44,480 and myself are joined by motorsport commentator Barry 10 00:00:44,480 --> 00:00:47,300 Nutley who actually commentated on this very 11 00:00:47,300 --> 00:00:50,080 race meeting for BBC Grandstand. Barry, 12 00:00:50,260 --> 00:00:52,700 firstly, welcome to Stories from Super Touring. This 13 00:00:52,700 --> 00:00:56,160 is your debut appearance on the show so thank you very 14 00:00:56,160 --> 00:00:59,480 much for coming to join us on the podcast this week. 15 00:00:59,880 --> 00:01:00,760 I never thought I'd be called 16 00:01:00,760 --> 00:01:02,900 a podcast virgin but I am. That's 17 00:01:02,900 --> 00:01:07,140 as simple as that. I'm delighted to be involved 18 00:01:07,140 --> 00:01:09,460 albeit to talk about something that happened so 19 00:01:09,460 --> 00:01:12,840 long ago but you know having reviewed the footage 20 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:15,360 it was good stuff back then it was fantastic 21 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:18,060 wasn't it? Very easy to get excited about. 22 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:22,200 Yes, for sure and I think we'll 23 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:25,560 stick with you as well for our usual opening question. 24 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:27,840 As we've already mentioned you 25 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:31,580 were commentating on this race for BBC so I can 26 00:01:31,580 --> 00:01:34,140 imagine you've got some good first memories when 27 00:01:34,140 --> 00:01:36,300 you think back to this race meet and even as you 28 00:01:36,300 --> 00:01:39,100 say it being you know as long ago as it was now. 29 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:41,580 Yeah and I wasn't really dumping 30 00:01:41,580 --> 00:01:44,740 at the deep end. I think if you can call a 31 00:01:44,740 --> 00:01:47,540 race as Jolly Cox would say or we can call a race 32 00:01:47,540 --> 00:01:49,700 down under do the commentary. It 33 00:01:49,700 --> 00:01:52,680 doesn't matter whether it's cars, bikes, planes, 34 00:01:53,020 --> 00:01:55,080 whatever it is. If it's motorsport you can 35 00:01:55,080 --> 00:01:58,800 describe the action but the action at this particular 36 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:01,920 one was so like the stuff that I've been working on 37 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:05,240 because that was also an epic year in British 38 00:02:05,240 --> 00:02:08,460 superbike with Mackenzie in the middle of his back -to 39 00:02:08,460 --> 00:02:11,180 -back titles and Islop and Wittem. It 40 00:02:11,180 --> 00:02:15,360 was all frenetic stuff and I brought that level of 41 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:18,440 enthusiasm to this particular weekend simply 42 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:20,540 because it was already in me. It 43 00:02:20,540 --> 00:02:22,920 was great. It wasn't difficult to induce 44 00:02:22,920 --> 00:02:26,160 about. Absolutely and Adam coming to you 45 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:29,260 next what jumps into your mind thinking about? Froxton 46 00:02:29,260 --> 00:02:32,640 on that, Bank Holiday weekend? Rain. 47 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:40,880 Bank Holiday rain but yeah I just like I say this 48 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:43,260 all the time you know I feel like it wasn't that 49 00:02:43,260 --> 00:02:45,120 long ago when it actually happened because I've just 50 00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:46,880 got such vivid memories of it and when I watch some 51 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:50,300 of the footage back I just it all comes back and it 52 00:02:50,300 --> 00:02:52,480 was super exciting as it always was and I just 53 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:55,960 think rain and Tim you know with his efforts, Tim 54 00:02:55,960 --> 00:02:58,360 Harvey and his efforts in the second race where he 55 00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:00,600 comes so close but there's so much going on you know 56 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:02,320 you watch the footage back there's so much going on 57 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:05,220 in race one, race two you know the Audi's there then 58 00:03:05,220 --> 00:03:10,220 he's crashing the second race and Jason Plato had 59 00:03:10,220 --> 00:03:12,520 obviously the easy issue where he didn't finish in 60 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:17,020 race one so there's so much to go through which 61 00:03:17,020 --> 00:03:19,480 we can't cover absolutely everything but you know I'd 62 00:03:19,480 --> 00:03:21,160 highly just recommend for any of the viewers just 63 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:23,060 watch it back and just watch the footage back 64 00:03:23,060 --> 00:03:25,460 because it's so exciting and um and finally coming 65 00:03:25,460 --> 00:03:28,100 to you about what are your memories of this meeting 66 00:03:28,100 --> 00:03:30,220 what one of the more memorable moments from the 67 00:03:30,220 --> 00:03:34,140 1997 season? Yeah this race was um was a 68 00:03:34,140 --> 00:03:37,200 real cracker and um honestly the first thing I 69 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:39,300 remember when I think back to this race meeting and 70 00:03:39,300 --> 00:03:41,080 and I'm not just saying it because he's here with us 71 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:43,060 tonight but it is Barry's commentary on the race. 72 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:45,660 It's literally it's um it was 73 00:03:45,660 --> 00:03:49,420 different because obviously normally Murray Walker was 74 00:03:49,420 --> 00:03:52,540 the commentator on BTCC that year he'd been joined 75 00:03:52,540 --> 00:03:55,580 by Charlie Cox in the commentary box um but this 76 00:03:55,580 --> 00:03:58,140 was the first time that Barry had commented on it 77 00:03:58,140 --> 00:04:01,560 on a race meeting and um I'm not quite sure and I'm 78 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:04,840 assuming Barry it was it was arranged because Murray 79 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:07,740 must have had that was the first year ITV had taken 80 00:04:07,740 --> 00:04:11,500 over the F1 coverage so assuming Murray had 81 00:04:11,500 --> 00:04:14,800 commitments elsewhere and um and you were called upon? 82 00:04:15,080 --> 00:04:17,839 Yes and and uh you know I had 83 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:20,459 16 years with BBC Grandstand and they they 84 00:04:20,459 --> 00:04:23,600 brought me in to do bike commentary uh they were 85 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:26,020 doing trials and grass track and all sorts of 86 00:04:26,020 --> 00:04:28,680 minority bike sports but bit by bit they actually 87 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:31,360 told me they would like me to be the two -wheel 88 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:35,600 commentator for BBC and move Murray permanently on 89 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:39,120 to four wheels which he was quite bristly about you 90 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:41,540 know he put his elbows out and said well I don't need 91 00:04:41,540 --> 00:04:45,000 anybody you know I mean his his passion was bikes 92 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:48,620 in the first instance so he was quite protective of 93 00:04:48,620 --> 00:04:53,000 it but we very quickly became friends as it were 94 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:56,280 and I tell a very quick story if I may and it and 95 00:04:56,280 --> 00:04:59,120 it was at Thruxton at a bike race when Murray and 96 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:01,060 I were working together in a wood and shed and he 97 00:05:01,060 --> 00:05:03,580 said oh is this Barry and I don't need anyone these 98 00:05:03,580 --> 00:05:06,300 are 20 minute races I can do this on my own and 99 00:05:06,300 --> 00:05:08,620 they said well we're going to bring this this lad 100 00:05:08,620 --> 00:05:11,260 along you know we want him to work with you and uh 101 00:05:11,260 --> 00:05:15,840 that weekend Didier Peroni was killed in a power 102 00:05:15,840 --> 00:05:19,060 boating accident around the Isle of Wyn and it 103 00:05:19,060 --> 00:05:23,000 happened mid -afternoon on our race day and they came 104 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:24,980 in from London said Murray there's been a tragic 105 00:05:24,980 --> 00:05:26,960 accident in a power boating and we've lost Didier 106 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:29,460 Peroni we are going to come to you in 10 minutes 107 00:05:29,460 --> 00:05:33,980 for a bit of Peroni's life in Formula One and the 108 00:05:33,980 --> 00:05:36,140 250s were on the line and they said Barry will have 109 00:05:36,140 --> 00:05:38,660 to take this race on his own because we want you to 110 00:05:38,660 --> 00:05:41,240 swat up and we'll come to you in 10 minutes and 111 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:43,100 that's what they did basically in sort of 20 112 00:05:43,100 --> 00:05:46,180 minutes but after that I thought what a what a man 113 00:05:46,180 --> 00:05:49,080 he just reeled it off you know the uh well the 114 00:05:49,080 --> 00:05:51,760 Formula One is reeling to the shock news of the 115 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:55,100 death of Didier Peroni not as you might imagine in a 116 00:05:55,100 --> 00:05:59,160 car but on the water I remember those those words 117 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:04,160 so yeah that was it and I became I became the bike 118 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:07,300 man and then I think as as you say Formula One 119 00:06:07,300 --> 00:06:10,480 drew Murray and that was his real love and that's 120 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:14,020 where he ended up and I stood in when when there 121 00:06:14,020 --> 00:06:16,980 were gaps I've got to say as well Barry like and 122 00:06:16,980 --> 00:06:19,660 anyone's listening like talk about some shoes to fill 123 00:06:19,660 --> 00:06:23,960 yeah indeed if that doesn't bring any pressure then I 124 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:27,320 don't just probably think oh this is going to be a 125 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:29,380 disaster I'm not Murray people are going to extract 126 00:06:29,380 --> 00:06:31,280 Murray and I'm getting some negative feedback but 127 00:06:31,280 --> 00:06:33,400 honestly you did you did do a great job and that 128 00:06:33,400 --> 00:06:36,380 is some massive shoes to fill well thank you it's 129 00:06:36,380 --> 00:06:38,440 kind of you to say that but I you know I did my 130 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:41,140 homework obviously I got down there on Thursday and 131 00:06:41,140 --> 00:06:44,240 met people I did my homework but I was 132 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:47,100 convinced and I was very firm that I was going to 133 00:06:47,100 --> 00:06:50,940 bring my style from the superbike championship to 134 00:06:50,940 --> 00:06:54,600 the touring cars and yeah and that I did and whether 135 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:57,340 it worked or not now it's history it doesn't matter 136 00:06:57,340 --> 00:07:00,680 but if it worked then then well all well and good you 137 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:02,800 know but I wasn't going to be anyone else I was going 138 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:04,920 to be myself yeah absolutely and I think 139 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:07,860 you've come from you know commentating on an exciting 140 00:07:07,860 --> 00:07:11,240 sport already coming into another exciting sport you 141 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:13,940 just had four wheels so I think the similarities were 142 00:07:13,940 --> 00:07:15,920 probably there so it made that slightly easier for 143 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:17,500 you but obviously there's a lot for you to know in 144 00:07:17,500 --> 00:07:20,300 terms of drivers teams you know there's a time where 145 00:07:20,300 --> 00:07:22,320 you needed to do obviously prior to that so yeah some 146 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:23,760 big pressure but it helps when you've got someone 147 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:26,660 like Charlie Cox alongside you know because yeah if 148 00:07:26,660 --> 00:07:28,960 it's if you're in a hole or you want an answer you 149 00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:31,580 just throw to him you know and he's like a dog online 150 00:07:31,580 --> 00:07:35,860 oh as we know yes I've got to say when I did 151 00:07:35,860 --> 00:07:38,900 watch you back I've wrote that down I've never heard 152 00:07:38,900 --> 00:07:41,160 it before and I'm never likely to hear it again 153 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:44,600 but I'll tell you what talk about so it's like a 154 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:47,500 dog online over describing a touring car basically 155 00:07:47,500 --> 00:07:51,440 with slicks on in the rain he had some wonderful 156 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:56,040 expressions shot the fox was another one well that 157 00:07:56,040 --> 00:08:03,220 said he shot the fox lovely but yeah I enjoyed 158 00:08:03,220 --> 00:08:05,160 it you know I would have liked to have done more 159 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:09,500 but kept on doing the bikes and here I am still 160 00:08:09,500 --> 00:08:11,700 doing it and you said you're still doing it now 161 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:16,060 I'm indeed yeah I've got a full season of psychomotor 162 00:08:16,060 --> 00:08:19,820 cross booked up 12 rounds in 11 countries and I do 163 00:08:19,820 --> 00:08:22,440 a couple of good woods and some stuff for motorcycle 164 00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:25,240 news the shows and things but yeah I'm still very 165 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:29,120 busy and where time fits Euro sport British psych 166 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:33,200 races with BSB so I'm employed by euros for the 167 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:36,900 BSB as ever we have asked our faithful listeners what 168 00:08:36,900 --> 00:08:39,320 they thought of this race meeting through our social 169 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:42,640 media channels we'll start off with Stephen Gaye who 170 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:44,820 got in touch to say that he was on the spectator 171 00:08:44,820 --> 00:08:47,660 banking at the club chicane and says it was one of 172 00:08:47,660 --> 00:08:50,340 the best touring car races he has ever seen in the 173 00:08:50,340 --> 00:08:53,580 flesh he says the buzz of the crowd waiting to see 174 00:08:53,580 --> 00:08:55,600 how much closer to the lead Harvey was getting 175 00:08:55,600 --> 00:09:00,100 with every lap was amazing Dan Bailey also remembers 176 00:09:00,100 --> 00:09:02,540 the action at the club chicane too saying he 177 00:09:02,540 --> 00:09:06,020 recalls Harvey giving Clelland a tap going into 178 00:09:06,020 --> 00:09:08,960 it and it was um tap punt we'll I think we'll 179 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:13,380 probably discuss that um in a little bit Pat Cranham 180 00:09:13,380 --> 00:09:15,800 he says he remembers that incident too saying that 181 00:09:15,800 --> 00:09:18,420 Clelland produced a miracle save to keep the Vectra 182 00:09:18,420 --> 00:09:21,740 out of the barriers and then Don Bernay simply just 183 00:09:21,740 --> 00:09:25,680 says one more lap whilst Thomas Knight's mentioned 184 00:09:25,688 --> 00:09:29,620 Frank Bieler's unfortunate incident with two -mate John 185 00:09:29,620 --> 00:09:34,220 Binkliffe on the opening lap of race two Steve 186 00:09:34,220 --> 00:09:36,760 Price he remembers the slower pit stops as the 187 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:39,200 rules for the mandatory pit stops in the second race 188 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:41,720 had yet to be introduced um I think that's something 189 00:09:41,720 --> 00:09:45,480 we'll probably get a bit more into yeah it was 190 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:50,580 carnage wasn't it yeah and Ken Rotherford says he 191 00:09:50,580 --> 00:09:52,860 remembers Tarqueen he winning the race on slicks 192 00:09:52,860 --> 00:09:55,120 and getting very little credit for what he thought 193 00:09:55,120 --> 00:10:01,120 was the drive of the day which contentious, Tim 194 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:06,320 Harvey does not like that and and here's one for you 195 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:09,160 Barry Aaron Collins remembers uh he's self on 196 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:12,200 the commentary that day what the Dickens was all 197 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:16,060 that about um which was one of my favorites as 198 00:10:16,060 --> 00:10:20,340 well when watching the race pack and Daniel Bart also 199 00:10:20,340 --> 00:10:23,080 mentioned recording your commentary for the race two 200 00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:25,200 which is obviously Al's mentioned that as well, 201 00:10:25,280 --> 00:10:31,280 that incident that um that was described as what the 202 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:33,020 Dickens was all that about was one of the most 203 00:10:33,020 --> 00:10:37,040 bizarre things in a touring car it was you know 204 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:40,780 switching the the the main switch off as you're going 205 00:10:40,780 --> 00:10:43,420 through church is not the widest thing to do on the 206 00:10:43,420 --> 00:10:46,440 fastest car on the whole calendar yeah in the wet 207 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:49,340 whilst you're on slicks but they play well done Patrick 208 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:57,560 for this series of stories from super touring we are 209 00:10:57,560 --> 00:11:00,140 delighted to be teaming up with Brands Hatch to give 210 00:11:00,140 --> 00:11:03,140 away two tickets to Super Touring Power 2 which is 211 00:11:03,140 --> 00:11:05,900 being held at the famous circuit on the 29th and 212 00:11:05,900 --> 00:11:09,940 30th of June 2024 the award -nominated event was a 213 00:11:09,940 --> 00:11:12,460 smash hit last year when its debut edition 214 00:11:12,460 --> 00:11:15,680 transported fans back to the 90s and this year's 215 00:11:15,680 --> 00:11:18,300 event will once again celebrate one of touring 216 00:11:18,300 --> 00:11:21,760 car racing's most fondly remembered eras to enter 217 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:25,620 the competition just answer the following question who 218 00:11:25,620 --> 00:11:29,580 was the first ever guest to star on stories from 219 00:11:29,580 --> 00:11:33,260 super touring send your answers to podd at 220 00:11:33,260 --> 00:11:37,680 1990sbtcc .com and we'll announce the winner on a 221 00:11:37,680 --> 00:11:40,940 later episode this series meanwhile let's get back to 222 00:11:40,940 --> 00:11:48,700 the episode reigning champion Frank Bieler was 223 00:11:48,700 --> 00:11:51,060 bullish heading into this bank holiday meeting 224 00:11:51,060 --> 00:11:54,320 declaring Fruxton as Aldi's greatest chance of their 225 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:58,660 strongest showing yet in 1997 the German who had 226 00:11:58,660 --> 00:12:01,100 blasted the championship organisers at the last 227 00:12:01,100 --> 00:12:04,420 meeting at Silverstone set the four fastest time in 228 00:12:04,420 --> 00:12:07,500 the official test at Fruxton with Binkliffe right 229 00:12:07,500 --> 00:12:11,460 behind him in fifth Bieler slated the championship 230 00:12:11,460 --> 00:12:15,380 organisers for imposing a 95 kilogram weight penalty 231 00:12:15,380 --> 00:12:18,300 on the Aldi due to their four -wheel drive system 232 00:12:18,300 --> 00:12:21,920 Adam from the driver's perspective can you 233 00:12:21,920 --> 00:12:24,500 understand Frank's frustration of that weight 234 00:12:24,500 --> 00:12:28,780 penalty going into 97 yeah from a driver's point of 235 00:12:28,780 --> 00:12:32,540 view I can but the first thing you do is you don't 236 00:12:32,540 --> 00:12:39,800 slay Alan Gao because you know that's only going to 237 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:42,160 make matters worse you know for every round that's 238 00:12:42,160 --> 00:12:46,360 coming or any any possibilities of you know 239 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:48,980 or anything happening in the future then you want 240 00:12:48,980 --> 00:12:51,020 him on your side and not the other way around yeah 241 00:12:51,020 --> 00:12:52,680 because he you know we know how firm he can be 242 00:12:52,680 --> 00:12:55,300 but also purely from Frank's point of view as a 243 00:12:55,300 --> 00:12:58,320 driver being selfish yeah of course he's going to be 244 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:00,840 frustrated but it was only a matter of time before 245 00:13:00,840 --> 00:13:04,140 this started slapping weight penalty on of course if 246 00:13:04,140 --> 00:13:06,600 Bieler and Binkliffe performed well it could 247 00:13:06,600 --> 00:13:09,180 have undermined their argument for removal of 248 00:13:09,180 --> 00:13:12,020 some of the weight so much so that Bieler even 249 00:13:12,020 --> 00:13:16,340 contemplated sang bagging at times first we have to 250 00:13:16,340 --> 00:13:18,480 wait and see whether it is worth running as hard as 251 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:22,040 possible or if we should be more tactical he told 252 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:25,740 autosport if we were tactical we could end up 253 00:13:25,740 --> 00:13:28,740 giving points away I'm sure we will have to go as 254 00:13:28,740 --> 00:13:31,600 hard as we can to get at least one acceptable result 255 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:35,840 this season Barry coming to you can you understand why 256 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:39,260 Frank was considering quite a drastic measures and 257 00:13:39,260 --> 00:13:43,640 tactics there I don't think he was considering tactics 258 00:13:43,640 --> 00:13:45,660 I think he was going to go as hard as he could 259 00:13:45,660 --> 00:13:48,140 anyway because that is a driver's mentality am I 260 00:13:48,140 --> 00:13:50,860 right Adam you know he would have known the bigger 261 00:13:50,860 --> 00:13:54,900 picture because the rules and regulations at the end 262 00:13:54,900 --> 00:13:57,620 of the day would either ban the four -wheel drive 263 00:13:57,620 --> 00:14:00,100 or it was only going to be a limited time that 264 00:14:00,100 --> 00:14:04,460 they were allowed to go and the 95 kilos was okay 265 00:14:04,460 --> 00:14:07,040 slowing them down a bit but it was still one hell 266 00:14:07,040 --> 00:14:11,320 of a car and I think it would be his instinct to 267 00:14:11,320 --> 00:14:13,640 say right I don't care what you've done we're 268 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:16,760 going to go bulls out and show you what we can still 269 00:14:16,760 --> 00:14:19,280 do even though you've handicapped us that would 270 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:22,460 be my opinion he might be listening to this send me 271 00:14:22,460 --> 00:14:25,020 a strong message saying no no no no you know we had 272 00:14:25,020 --> 00:14:27,620 a point to prove we had a point to prove and I was 273 00:14:27,620 --> 00:14:34,220 going to prove it but but you know I honestly believe 274 00:14:34,220 --> 00:14:37,880 as a racer once the lights go out he was going to go 275 00:14:37,880 --> 00:14:40,940 for it if only to prove his point that they can 276 00:14:40,940 --> 00:14:46,180 still win regardless my view yeah part of the 277 00:14:46,180 --> 00:14:49,260 issue with Audi's comparative lack of pace in 278 00:14:49,260 --> 00:14:53,180 97 was sort of muddied even further when they had 279 00:14:53,180 --> 00:14:55,700 the the week before this Thruxton meeting there was 280 00:14:55,700 --> 00:14:59,120 the opening round of the stw in Germany at 281 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:03,500 Hockenheim and Audi were the only ones running 282 00:15:03,500 --> 00:15:06,340 Dunlops in 97 the rest of the works teams were 283 00:15:06,340 --> 00:15:09,800 running Michelins and they were running Dunlops in 284 00:15:09,800 --> 00:15:12,720 Germany too and the works Audi's they were outpaced 285 00:15:12,720 --> 00:15:16,980 by the apt sportline privateer Audi entries who 286 00:15:16,980 --> 00:15:21,120 used Yokohamas so it muddied it even further you 287 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:23,500 know was it the weight was it with hires had others 288 00:15:23,500 --> 00:15:26,140 just caught up nobody really knew for sure so it 289 00:15:26,140 --> 00:15:29,780 was it was quite yeah it was quite a very it was a 290 00:15:29,780 --> 00:15:32,980 very very messy situation I can understand the driver 291 00:15:32,980 --> 00:15:36,760 getting personally aggravated about it but the you know 292 00:15:36,760 --> 00:15:39,820 the point Adam made there are things out there bigger 293 00:15:39,820 --> 00:15:43,300 than the driver the rules and the manufacturer are 294 00:15:43,300 --> 00:15:46,460 the two components that give him the tool to do 295 00:15:46,460 --> 00:15:50,220 the job and you know he is he is driving to the 296 00:15:50,220 --> 00:15:53,360 best of his ability and if he's imposed a handicap 297 00:15:53,360 --> 00:15:55,720 he's still going to drive in my opinion to the best 298 00:15:55,720 --> 00:15:58,980 of his ability meanwhile rumors were surfsing of 299 00:15:58,980 --> 00:16:02,220 Hyundai setting its sights on entering the BTCC for 300 00:16:02,220 --> 00:16:05,900 the 1999 season it was revealed at the Korean 301 00:16:05,900 --> 00:16:08,860 Motor Show that the company already had a mock -up of 302 00:16:08,860 --> 00:16:11,740 the Lanter model complete with a racing engine 303 00:16:11,740 --> 00:16:15,140 already in place in the Hyundai workshops ProDrive 304 00:16:15,140 --> 00:16:17,480 had been heavily linked with the project with 305 00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:20,460 autosport understanding that employees of Hyundai had 306 00:16:20,460 --> 00:16:24,460 been visiting the firm's Bambri base ProDrive boss 307 00:16:24,460 --> 00:16:27,380 Dave Richard said at the time we're contracted to 308 00:16:27,380 --> 00:16:30,140 Honda at the moment but having said that our engine 309 00:16:30,140 --> 00:16:33,360 division has many clients we do work for many 310 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:36,220 different people whether we are doing work for Hyundai 311 00:16:36,220 --> 00:16:40,560 I can't tell you Al that's a bit of a strange 312 00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:42,680 statement of a day Richard's there about future 313 00:16:42,680 --> 00:16:45,980 leaks of Hyundai how would you read into that one 314 00:16:45,980 --> 00:16:49,820 yeah I do think it's a pretty bizarre statement to 315 00:16:49,820 --> 00:16:53,700 make um he's basically refusing to rule it out 316 00:16:53,700 --> 00:16:56,840 and they've at this point in time they've only just 317 00:16:56,840 --> 00:16:58,220 started up their relationship with Honda 318 00:16:58,220 --> 00:17:03,200 because Honda were run by MSD until the end of 96 319 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:06,800 ProDrive who were running the Alpha program in 95 320 00:17:06,800 --> 00:17:11,119 missed it missed 96 came back in 97 with Honda so 321 00:17:11,119 --> 00:17:14,819 they've only just started that relationship but from 322 00:17:14,819 --> 00:17:16,460 what it sounds like they're already meeting up with 323 00:17:16,460 --> 00:17:20,800 Hyundai so yeah it's a bit of an odd one but um 324 00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:23,040 Hyundai were always one of those manufacturers that 325 00:17:23,040 --> 00:17:26,220 were linked with an entry into the touring cars but 326 00:17:26,220 --> 00:17:30,340 never seemed to make it um Volkswagen and Rover being 327 00:17:30,340 --> 00:17:32,380 the other two that off the top of my head that were 328 00:17:32,380 --> 00:17:35,240 you know that were always constantly linked but but 329 00:17:35,240 --> 00:17:38,840 never really came to anything but um yeah 330 00:17:38,840 --> 00:17:41,000 obviously as we know now nothing ever came of it 331 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:44,520 but um yeah a bit of an odd one for ProDrive to 332 00:17:44,520 --> 00:17:48,740 almost be inviting certainly not ruling out any sort of 333 00:17:48,740 --> 00:17:52,160 link with Hyundai yeah you never denied you did I no 334 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:55,200 no when she actually literally just started a 335 00:17:55,200 --> 00:17:57,140 relationship with Honda so yeah a bit of a strange 336 00:17:57,140 --> 00:18:01,460 one prior to this race the BBC shared figures that 2 337 00:18:01,460 --> 00:18:05,380 .94 million people watched the BBC one coverage of 338 00:18:05,380 --> 00:18:08,300 the BTCC meeting at Silverstone prior to this 339 00:18:08,300 --> 00:18:12,200 event which compared with the 1 .6 million that tuned 340 00:18:12,200 --> 00:18:15,140 in to watch ITV's coverage of the San Marino Grand 341 00:18:15,140 --> 00:18:19,020 Prix at Imola on the same weekend Barry are you 342 00:18:19,020 --> 00:18:21,480 surprised at those figures or was this just another 343 00:18:21,480 --> 00:18:23,540 sign of how big the championship had become at 344 00:18:23,540 --> 00:18:26,240 this point? Well it certainly is an 345 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:29,340 indication of how popular the championship was but 346 00:18:29,340 --> 00:18:34,400 but grandstand itself per se always attracted two and 347 00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:37,420 a half to three million viewers because don't forget 348 00:18:37,420 --> 00:18:39,520 they would have spread across three sports you 349 00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:41,820 might have had something down at Hick's stage you 350 00:18:41,820 --> 00:18:43,960 had a bit of cricket you had a bit of bike racing 351 00:18:43,960 --> 00:18:47,120 or whatever so they moved around a lot and I was 352 00:18:47,120 --> 00:18:49,820 always told that it could be anything up to four and 353 00:18:49,820 --> 00:18:52,060 a half million if it was a wet weather day and 354 00:18:52,060 --> 00:18:54,840 people were in and I remember Dave Gordon the 355 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:57,540 editor of Grandstand saying to me at one point he 356 00:18:57,540 --> 00:19:01,660 said uh I like you to be urgent he said I like you 357 00:19:01,660 --> 00:19:05,120 to be excitable and urgent because if um if let me 358 00:19:05,120 --> 00:19:08,780 give you a scenario if mrs smith is walking from the 359 00:19:08,780 --> 00:19:12,620 garden to the kitchen and your bike racing is on and 360 00:19:12,620 --> 00:19:14,640 she's not a bike fan she's going to make a cup of 361 00:19:14,640 --> 00:19:17,400 tea and you are saying it's unbelievable when kens 362 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:20,560 is in the lead here she might just stop and think 363 00:19:20,560 --> 00:19:23,400 wow this is interesting let's let's stick with this 364 00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:25,780 so he said that's what we'd like you to do and 365 00:19:25,780 --> 00:19:29,480 that that's where it all came from but I also think 366 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:33,680 that touring car racing and I align it to world 367 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:37,320 superbike as opposed to motor gp it's machinery 368 00:19:37,320 --> 00:19:41,080 that the public can relate to the monday's look like 369 00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:44,820 the monday's the salesman drove to work and the 370 00:19:44,820 --> 00:19:47,820 lagooners I mean they look like road cars and they 371 00:19:47,820 --> 00:19:51,060 were road cars but a bit different a formula one car 372 00:19:51,060 --> 00:19:54,340 it's it's on a different planet it's a different 373 00:19:54,340 --> 00:19:57,600 world and it's got even worse in my opinion it's 374 00:19:57,600 --> 00:20:02,080 so far away from reality you know so no I'm not 375 00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:05,780 surprised yeah no you're right there because my mum 376 00:20:05,780 --> 00:20:08,820 had a monday at that time so naturally we cheered on 377 00:20:08,820 --> 00:20:12,200 the fords and yeah because that's the car literally I 378 00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:14,080 can look absolutely when you know it's on my 379 00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:16,260 driveway you know but but also it was the business 380 00:20:16,260 --> 00:20:18,420 model and the selling model for all the manufacturers 381 00:20:18,420 --> 00:20:20,920 only you know they still talk about it to this day 382 00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:22,220 of what it was like you know we went on this and 383 00:20:22,220 --> 00:20:24,420 they we sell on them and they did I read that there 384 00:20:24,420 --> 00:20:31,040 were nine manufacturers in the 97 series yes yes 385 00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:34,080 there was eight works and but there was that Colin 386 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:37,100 Galli's BMW so that would have had there so there 387 00:20:37,100 --> 00:20:39,740 were so there were nine marks yeah no I think it's 388 00:20:39,740 --> 00:20:42,760 I think it's amazing and that that's why I I'm not 389 00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:44,740 surprised at all about the viewing figures because 390 00:20:44,740 --> 00:20:48,320 people could identify relate to it and the kids on 391 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:49,980 monday said dad you're going to take me to school 392 00:20:49,980 --> 00:20:51,900 at that speed you know because we've got one of 393 00:20:51,900 --> 00:20:58,620 those some yes some of them did I'm sure they did 394 00:20:58,620 --> 00:21:06,040 yeah it's time now for another bit of motorsport 395 00:21:06,040 --> 00:21:09,000 politics our favorite subject on this podcast 396 00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:12,220 with Derek Warwick coming into this meeting on the 397 00:21:12,220 --> 00:21:14,800 back of a controversial rant aimed at the stewards 398 00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:18,460 after they had reinstated Jason Plato in the results 399 00:21:18,460 --> 00:21:21,000 of the second race at the previous meeting at 400 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:25,080 Silverstone the verdict of the BRDC officials 401 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:29,000 overturned the decision by Toca to exclude Plato after 402 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:32,840 his collision with Kelvin Burr Warwick said you can't 403 00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:35,860 have one group of people disqualifying a driver and 404 00:21:35,860 --> 00:21:38,060 then another group overturning it a week later 405 00:21:38,060 --> 00:21:41,040 what is he going to think now when he goes down the 406 00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:44,200 inside of Fred blogs you'll think that he can get away 407 00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:46,420 with it again and that's going to lead to a lot of 408 00:21:46,420 --> 00:21:50,820 problems um Adam I feel like I'm just coming to 409 00:21:50,820 --> 00:21:53,540 you to explain right over this frustration so far 410 00:21:53,540 --> 00:21:57,420 this episode but but could you understand Derek's point 411 00:21:57,420 --> 00:22:01,320 there I sort of can but it was at the heat of the 412 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:04,940 moment and you know it's always a it's always great 413 00:22:04,940 --> 00:22:06,840 for the tv to throw a camera and a microphone in 414 00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:08,340 front of a driver in the heat at the moment but in 415 00:22:08,340 --> 00:22:10,400 reality it's not going to potentially get a word it 416 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:13,080 the best that he could um but I understand what he's 417 00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:15,740 saying but at the same time Jason at no point is 418 00:22:15,740 --> 00:22:17,800 he going to think right that's it rub his hands 419 00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:20,340 together free reigns do what I like yeah we'll get 420 00:22:20,340 --> 00:22:22,280 it over we'll get it overturned on Monday no 421 00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:24,860 problem like come on let's be realistic you can't just 422 00:22:24,860 --> 00:22:26,860 go and t -bone somebody randomly and then get away 423 00:22:26,860 --> 00:22:28,980 with it or anything like that you've still got a 424 00:22:28,980 --> 00:22:32,140 race to the rules so understand what he's trying 425 00:22:32,140 --> 00:22:35,140 to say but in reality it's very different to what he's 426 00:22:35,140 --> 00:22:37,660 saying you know yeah a racing incident is a racing 427 00:22:37,660 --> 00:22:40,180 incident and something that was potentially malicious or 428 00:22:40,180 --> 00:22:44,880 dangerous or deliberate is also that so yeah you 429 00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:47,560 can't just get everything overturned on a Monday you 430 00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:49,500 know it's never going to be that Jason would have 431 00:22:49,500 --> 00:22:52,320 had that thought either however I do see what he's 432 00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:54,340 trying to say just didn't really word it very well 433 00:22:54,340 --> 00:23:01,100 um but you just get on with it you know yeah it's 434 00:23:01,100 --> 00:23:04,020 it's a bit like you say it's not very it's not 435 00:23:04,020 --> 00:23:05,560 always the best thing to do is to stick a 436 00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:09,320 microphone under the helmet of a driver once there's 437 00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:12,400 been an incident and Derek Warwick was pretty good for 438 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:16,660 um controversial views straight straight out of 439 00:23:16,660 --> 00:23:20,240 the car wasn't he so yeah he probably hence why the 440 00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:22,180 camera and the microphone ended up going to those 441 00:23:22,180 --> 00:23:24,700 places yeah Derek's want let's go over to him 442 00:23:24,700 --> 00:23:27,620 exactly yes so you know it's probably I felt a bit 443 00:23:27,620 --> 00:23:29,620 for Derek there he's probably taken out of 444 00:23:29,620 --> 00:23:32,240 context yeah I feel I understand what he's saying 445 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:34,620 but at the same time he doesn't give Jason a free 446 00:23:34,620 --> 00:23:36,720 reign or anyone else just to go and do that like 447 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:39,500 you know the stewards aren't daft and the people 448 00:23:39,500 --> 00:23:41,100 involved that you know they understand what a racing 449 00:23:41,100 --> 00:23:44,880 incident is and and what isn't so yeah I mean you 450 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:47,940 effectively had there all those years ago live VAR 451 00:23:47,940 --> 00:23:50,200 didn't you I mean welcome to the world of football 452 00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:52,580 where they look at it afterwards there the 453 00:23:52,580 --> 00:23:56,160 stewards are watching the whole footage yeah panel of 454 00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:58,600 them watching it you know and so I would have 455 00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:01,100 thought the decision made at that time I would have 456 00:24:01,100 --> 00:24:04,000 thought it should have stuck but there you go so 457 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:06,580 I'm with you Derek if you want to send me a bottle 458 00:24:06,580 --> 00:24:11,240 of whiskey that'll be fine Warwick's rant gave toker 459 00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:13,960 boss Alan Gow further ammunition for his panel 460 00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:17,600 which includes former driver Jeff Allen to wrestle 461 00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:21,120 controlled away from the meeting stewards Gow told 462 00:24:21,120 --> 00:24:24,300 autosport it's difficult because you have the RAC 463 00:24:24,300 --> 00:24:27,400 regulations and you cannot overturn them but an 464 00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:32,900 umpire's decision should be final the usual motorsport 465 00:24:32,900 --> 00:24:34,940 politics getting a bit messy this sounds like 466 00:24:34,940 --> 00:24:39,940 doesn't it yeah it's I mean I I can actually see 467 00:24:39,940 --> 00:24:42,920 what Gow's point to be fair but it seems a bit 468 00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:44,800 over complicated doesn't it when you've got one group 469 00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:47,320 of people giving out punishments and then another 470 00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:50,600 group with the ability to take them away and as 471 00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:53,220 Barry just said that sort of thing normally leads to 472 00:24:53,220 --> 00:24:56,680 inconsistent decisions which is the grumble of fans of 473 00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:58,820 pretty much all sports at the moment isn't it never 474 00:24:58,820 --> 00:25:05,160 mind football and VAR and rugby with the TMO and 475 00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:10,300 yeah you know this was no different so um yeah yeah 476 00:25:10,300 --> 00:25:13,740 I mean it's it's it's messy isn't it but I can 477 00:25:13,740 --> 00:25:18,240 see Gow's point but I can you know I see what Adam's 478 00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:20,300 saying as well it's a messy one and I wouldn't 479 00:25:20,300 --> 00:25:21,900 be I wouldn't want to be the one to clean it all 480 00:25:21,900 --> 00:25:28,200 up I'll be honest it was to nobody's great surprise 481 00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:32,060 that qualifying for bowfaces at Fruxton continued with 482 00:25:32,060 --> 00:25:35,420 the reno domination from the opening two meetings of 483 00:25:35,420 --> 00:25:39,060 the season the runaway points leader Alain Menu 484 00:25:39,060 --> 00:25:42,540 took his third consecutive pole position which meant 485 00:25:42,540 --> 00:25:45,420 that the yellow and blue machines continued their 100 486 00:25:45,420 --> 00:25:49,760 % pole position record for the season Barry those 487 00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:53,240 reno's were quick at most times in the era but 488 00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:56,360 particularly in 1997 they really were that the car 489 00:25:56,360 --> 00:25:59,800 to beat weren't they yeah they were and they were 490 00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:02,340 coming I mean the 96 performance was not too 491 00:26:02,340 --> 00:26:04,980 shabby was it you know they were good at Menu 492 00:26:04,980 --> 00:26:07,340 what a class act you know we all know his pedigree 493 00:26:07,340 --> 00:26:10,820 the only guy to to win it twice in that golden era 494 00:26:10,820 --> 00:26:13,960 and just the most amazing driver and when Jason Plato 495 00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:17,540 lined up with him it was a formidable pairing without 496 00:26:17,540 --> 00:26:21,200 a doubt and the cars were just so well sorted they 497 00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:25,220 really were and I didn't see you could you can 498 00:26:25,220 --> 00:26:28,120 understand Bena's frustration you know suddenly not only 499 00:26:28,120 --> 00:26:30,680 is he having a penalty slapped on him he's got 500 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:33,540 these yellow and blue missiles because that's what 501 00:26:33,540 --> 00:26:36,100 they were and they couldn't put the foot wrong you 502 00:26:36,100 --> 00:26:40,960 know so he was so you can understand that but yeah 503 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:43,740 they were quick they were very very quick and good 504 00:26:43,740 --> 00:26:47,340 to watch as well Menu's domination of qualifying was 505 00:26:47,340 --> 00:26:51,820 even bigger than usual with his race to gap of 0 .6 506 00:26:51,820 --> 00:26:55,740 seconds to Tarqueenian second this was even more 507 00:26:55,740 --> 00:26:58,860 impressive because the Swiss driver only took one lap 508 00:26:58,860 --> 00:27:03,260 to get the job done Adam that's an incredibly 509 00:27:03,260 --> 00:27:05,600 impressive gut pull on the rest of the field in 510 00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:08,560 qualifying there isn't it it is and the beauty of 511 00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:11,160 it was obviously he did it and he by doing that and 512 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:13,640 nobody beating it he gambled by not going out 513 00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:16,220 again but he saved a set of tyres yeah you know by 514 00:27:16,220 --> 00:27:19,660 doing that so he just absolutely maximized the 515 00:27:19,660 --> 00:27:21,200 opportunity obviously got the tyres at the right 516 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:25,120 temperature had a clear track did what he needs to 517 00:27:25,120 --> 00:27:28,180 do and come in and that's your ideal position that 518 00:27:28,180 --> 00:27:34,900 you one warm -up lap one flyer come in and then he 519 00:27:34,900 --> 00:27:36,340 would have been as surprised as anybody that 520 00:27:36,340 --> 00:27:39,500 nobody really got close to him but you know 0 .6 of 521 00:27:39,500 --> 00:27:41,920 a gap I mean that you know blink of an eye and 522 00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:44,760 that's it in reality when you think about it but in 523 00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:47,180 motorsport terms we know how close a lot of the 524 00:27:47,180 --> 00:27:50,180 racing is and you know 0 .6 of a second you know in 525 00:27:50,180 --> 00:27:53,020 in some championships and even the btcc at times 526 00:27:53,020 --> 00:27:55,220 that could be the difference from first to 527 00:27:55,220 --> 00:27:58,400 tenth it was a good lap so we waited to see if 528 00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:01,300 anyone could beat it when you said afterwards they 529 00:28:01,300 --> 00:28:04,880 didn't so I've got two new tyres for the race the car 530 00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:08,920 is very good here Alex that's probably um 531 00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:12,360 rightfully confident man speaking there isn't it 532 00:28:12,360 --> 00:28:15,900 yeah I mean like you say he had right he was he 533 00:28:15,900 --> 00:28:19,900 had reason to be um to be fair he won every race so 534 00:28:19,900 --> 00:28:23,040 far that season as Barry described they they were 535 00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:25,520 yellow and blue missiles because they were so quick 536 00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:28,920 yeah they were class of the field and even in the 537 00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:32,100 third race meeting you know for four races in he was 538 00:28:32,100 --> 00:28:34,780 probably already eyeing up the championship you know I 539 00:28:34,780 --> 00:28:38,000 mean you know he obviously didn't realise the the 540 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:41,080 drama that was to come on race day but um yeah yeah 541 00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:42,640 it'd have been really disappointing with him that 542 00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:44,560 way because I think he probably won both races 543 00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:46,220 wouldn't have yeah he probably would have done 544 00:28:46,220 --> 00:28:49,080 yeah but um you know you could already tell actually 545 00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:52,320 not to sort of give any spoilers away but you can 546 00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:55,280 tell by the way he was driving at the in the race 547 00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:57,860 yeah he was already driving for points yeah you know 548 00:28:57,860 --> 00:29:00,220 he he had he had his eyes on that championship already 549 00:29:00,220 --> 00:29:03,560 so yeah he had good reason to be confident back on 550 00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:06,380 the front row of the btc secret for the first time 551 00:29:06,380 --> 00:29:10,920 since 1994 with Gabriele Tarquini who lined up 552 00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:15,200 alongside our menu for race two the popular Italian was 553 00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:18,100 pleased but thought that second was the maximum he 554 00:29:18,100 --> 00:29:21,520 could have got out the Honda however he did feel 555 00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:23,920 that the accord was light enough like its tires to 556 00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:28,460 cause a problem for menu in the races Barry it was 557 00:29:28,460 --> 00:29:31,120 quite a good sight to see Tarquini back at the front 558 00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:34,280 of a btc secret again wasn't it absolutely we 559 00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:37,580 talked at the top of the show um before we came on 560 00:29:37,580 --> 00:29:39,780 air actually about the quality of the drivers who 561 00:29:39,780 --> 00:29:42,500 came in and the big names and the superstars I mean 562 00:29:42,500 --> 00:29:45,380 he's right up there isn't he charismatic Italian 563 00:29:45,380 --> 00:29:49,860 absolutely brilliant and just such a good guy to 564 00:29:49,860 --> 00:29:53,300 interview he's just fantastic in every way the 565 00:29:53,300 --> 00:29:55,780 fact that I understand he earned the dubious 566 00:29:55,780 --> 00:29:59,160 reputation of the man who tried to qualify on the 567 00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:01,380 Formula One grid more times than anyone so he's got 568 00:30:01,380 --> 00:30:03,820 the wooden spoon because he didn't make it but and 569 00:30:03,820 --> 00:30:07,680 failed but there you go he certainly found his niche 570 00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:11,300 in touring cars the British the European the world just 571 00:30:11,300 --> 00:30:15,000 went on success after success great to have a 572 00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:17,500 name like that you know and that is a you know 573 00:30:17,500 --> 00:30:20,980 another another quality move into the championship that 574 00:30:20,980 --> 00:30:23,960 just enhanced the profile you bring names like that 575 00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:26,780 it's just getting bigger and better and better and 576 00:30:26,780 --> 00:30:29,920 he was a class act meanwhile reigning champion 577 00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:32,760 Frank Bealer had his most competitive showing of the 578 00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:36,560 season so far with him and teammate Binkliffe in the 579 00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:44,060 top six on the for both races come race day and 580 00:30:44,060 --> 00:30:46,320 Bealer and Binkliffe would have been rubbing their 581 00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:49,240 hands together the conditions were mixed and 582 00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:52,580 the greasy conditions would surely suit their lda falls 583 00:30:52,580 --> 00:30:55,780 summing up just how difficult the decisions for 584 00:30:55,780 --> 00:30:58,520 setup were there for the teams charlie cox was 585 00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:01,360 trackside giving his view the weather's the key part 586 00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:03,640 of this afternoon's race teams are leaving it for 587 00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:06,360 the very last minute to make their tire choices as 588 00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:08,560 we speak it's starting to drizzle with rain there's a 589 00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:11,200 huge bank of cloud building up from behind and only a 590 00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:13,760 few minutes before the race goes the cars are still on 591 00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:16,020 slick tires now that'll obviously be their 592 00:31:16,020 --> 00:31:18,380 preference especially on such an abrasive track but 593 00:31:18,380 --> 00:31:19,920 we're just going to have to wait and see what the 594 00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:23,460 next few minutes brings add a mixed conditions such as 595 00:31:23,460 --> 00:31:26,600 those it's almost impossible for a driver and team to 596 00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:29,680 get that right isn't it basically no one has a 597 00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:32,320 crystal ball in the i used to love these these 598 00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:34,200 conditions i thrived on them i loved them 599 00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:35,880 especially because i was always a private in i was 600 00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:39,020 never in a factory team in the fastest car so there's 601 00:31:39,020 --> 00:31:40,900 so many more benefits to you when you when you 602 00:31:40,900 --> 00:31:44,080 don't you're not expected to win you know the 603 00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:46,260 pressures on them as opposed to you with the 604 00:31:46,260 --> 00:31:49,100 track damp at the start of the race it was no 605 00:31:49,100 --> 00:31:51,700 surprise to see the oudies launch off into the lead 606 00:31:51,700 --> 00:31:55,080 at the start with both a falls making contact with 607 00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:58,380 jason playtoe off the line the englishman's laguna 608 00:31:58,380 --> 00:32:01,220 suffering suspension damage from the heavier contact 609 00:32:01,220 --> 00:32:05,460 from binkliffe now an unfortunate incident off the 610 00:32:05,460 --> 00:32:09,540 line sort of is it free into one not going yeah i 611 00:32:09,540 --> 00:32:11,400 mean i felt a bit sorry for jason actually because 612 00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:14,440 he really was stuck in the middle of two oudies and 613 00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:17,020 had no way to go you know he just he just went off 614 00:32:17,020 --> 00:32:19,080 the line it wasn't like he swerved left or right he 615 00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:22,000 just went straight and both those oudies with the with 616 00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:24,680 the four -wheel drive system just launched off the grid 617 00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:27,980 this you know that that is their their main advantage 618 00:32:27,980 --> 00:32:31,480 isn't it especially on such a greasy track um you know 619 00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:34,400 jason really had no way to go and his race was over 620 00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:37,520 before allard so you know although i do find it 621 00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:40,920 funny how he was very philosophical about the 622 00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:45,240 whole thing when he was interviewed um because we 623 00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:47,500 know later on in his career he did develop a 624 00:32:47,500 --> 00:32:50,080 bit more of a sharper tongue for instance like 625 00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:53,260 this um even when he was winning races if it wasn't 626 00:32:53,260 --> 00:32:56,140 going his way if you remember alton park when 627 00:32:56,140 --> 00:32:59,360 when he was embroiled in the turbo row you know he 628 00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:03,760 was he seemed a lot more naive obviously it's he's 629 00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:06,000 on his third ever meeting wasn't it and it was um 630 00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:10,020 his first year so um yeah quite a quiet drayson 631 00:33:10,020 --> 00:33:13,740 compared to his later career as beela took the 632 00:33:13,740 --> 00:33:16,440 lead from menu it's incredible to remember that 633 00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:19,000 this was the first time that anyone other than menu 634 00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:23,140 had led a race in the 1997 season barry that is 635 00:33:23,140 --> 00:33:25,720 a quite incredible stat isn't it especially you 636 00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:29,100 remember round five and we're finally seeing uh a 637 00:33:29,100 --> 00:33:31,900 car that isn't a rena lead that says a lot about 638 00:33:31,900 --> 00:33:35,540 their dominance that year it says a lot about rena 639 00:33:35,540 --> 00:33:38,940 dominance but it also says a lot about beela not 640 00:33:38,940 --> 00:33:41,460 being tactical and going for it which we said 641 00:33:41,460 --> 00:33:44,120 earlier on in the show you know he was going to go 642 00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:47,140 for it that he was not sandbagging there he he 643 00:33:47,140 --> 00:33:50,420 wanted it and that was his horns coming out and his 644 00:33:50,420 --> 00:33:54,000 driving instinct and showing them what he could do so 645 00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:56,460 i'm i'm glad we had that little conversation earlier 646 00:33:56,460 --> 00:34:01,040 on about it but you cannot detract from the dominance 647 00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:03,580 of the rena so we talked about just um a few 648 00:34:03,580 --> 00:34:06,340 moments ago they were absolutely superb which 649 00:34:06,340 --> 00:34:10,080 makes beela's achievement even greater i mean it 650 00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:13,219 really was a fantastic drive to do that on the 651 00:34:13,219 --> 00:34:16,860 second lap the rain started to fall more heavily with 652 00:34:16,860 --> 00:34:20,600 clen and spinning on his dry tires meanwhile the 653 00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:23,719 volvos were getting into a very close battle for over 654 00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:27,320 a lap before bert spun off with hoian what's joining 655 00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:31,400 him as the conditions worsened lat led drivers to 656 00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:35,440 start coming into the pits to change tires now unlike 657 00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:38,280 in formula one this is something unusual for the 658 00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:42,100 btcc not really something the series had seen before 659 00:34:42,940 --> 00:34:45,380 the crews really weren't used to the quick tire 660 00:34:45,380 --> 00:34:48,860 changes needed to get back into the race with cables 661 00:34:48,860 --> 00:34:51,540 mechanics and even a cameraman getting in the 662 00:34:51,540 --> 00:34:56,139 way of voxels attempted pit stop alex especially at 663 00:34:56,139 --> 00:35:00,500 this point it's unusual to see btcc drivers make pit 664 00:35:00,500 --> 00:35:04,240 stops in the era it's do you think that explains the 665 00:35:04,240 --> 00:35:06,420 comedy of errors that seem to take place in the pits 666 00:35:06,420 --> 00:35:10,340 from what were otherwise very serious profession and 667 00:35:10,340 --> 00:35:13,680 constant race teams absolutely yeah i mean 668 00:35:14,540 --> 00:35:17,220 first of all though you mentioned the instant 669 00:35:17,220 --> 00:35:21,700 between um uh will hoian patrick watson that is 670 00:35:21,700 --> 00:35:24,460 something we we mentioned it before we started 671 00:35:24,460 --> 00:35:26,820 recording but that that leads to one of my 672 00:35:26,820 --> 00:35:30,460 greatest one of my favorite charlie cox lines of um 673 00:35:30,460 --> 00:35:35,000 it's like a dog on lino when you're in these and 674 00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:38,820 um yeah just a wonderful line but um but yeah as 675 00:35:38,820 --> 00:35:42,620 it as it when it comes to the pits the pit stops i 676 00:35:42,620 --> 00:35:44,700 mean for starters the the pit lane at throxing is 677 00:35:44,700 --> 00:35:47,140 it's not really the biggest in the calendar is it and 678 00:35:47,140 --> 00:35:49,700 i think had it had it been silverstone or 679 00:35:49,700 --> 00:35:51,960 donnington with the pit garages it would have been 680 00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:55,440 a lot less chaotic um but yeah you're right the teams 681 00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:57,620 were simply not used to changing tyres as quickly 682 00:35:57,620 --> 00:36:01,340 as this race required um and also don't forget how 683 00:36:01,340 --> 00:36:04,700 hard it was getting those alloys under the wheel 684 00:36:04,700 --> 00:36:07,140 arches of the super touring cars because the cars 685 00:36:07,140 --> 00:36:09,840 weren't designed to have quick wheel changes and 686 00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:13,080 tire changes and i think i'll if i can if i can 687 00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:15,620 just comment on that i think the the frenetic 688 00:36:15,620 --> 00:36:19,100 action on the track you know lap after lap after 689 00:36:19,100 --> 00:36:21,160 lap the guys would have been watching that on their 690 00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:24,000 monitors they were pumped up about it they were 691 00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:26,780 quick quick quick we've got to do this give so all of 692 00:36:26,780 --> 00:36:30,500 that enthusiasm and panic if you like spilled over 693 00:36:30,500 --> 00:36:33,740 into pit lane and you know even the marshall getting 694 00:36:33,740 --> 00:36:36,080 in the way i mean he was nearly torpedoed wasn't he 695 00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:39,360 yeah yeah so right it's obviously john comes in and 696 00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:55,560 he's sort of waving his eyes just finally drops off 697 00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:59,760 the jacks um he runs over airlines air guns and 698 00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:03,220 literally he he revs pretty much at the camera and you 699 00:37:03,220 --> 00:37:05,540 can see how the cameraman has had to sort of dive 700 00:37:05,540 --> 00:37:10,500 backwards and as charlie said there's just one angry 701 00:37:10,500 --> 00:37:15,120 big angry scotsman coming through i only be in a 702 00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:16,880 course he didn't warm his tires up enough and as he 703 00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:20,040 got into the car he spun yeah he first spun straight 704 00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:21,480 away didn't he came straight happy on the 705 00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:24,060 leaders didn't he i can imagine he was so angry 706 00:37:24,060 --> 00:37:26,420 because yeah that he just went for it and it just 707 00:37:26,420 --> 00:37:29,640 wasn't there they weren't ready so fantastic it's 708 00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:33,300 brilliant on lap 11 the leader beeler had a huge 709 00:37:33,300 --> 00:37:36,680 moment at church meaning tarqueening had a great run 710 00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:39,440 the german and taking the lead into the club chicane 711 00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:42,400 Gabrielle tarqueening now climbing all over the back 712 00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:45,260 of the Audi and that honda charlie is quick and it's 713 00:37:45,260 --> 00:37:47,280 gonna be even quicker now because the Audi just had 714 00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:49,240 a huge moment through church their friend was 715 00:37:49,240 --> 00:37:52,100 well well sideways and tarqueening's had a fabulous 716 00:37:52,100 --> 00:37:55,200 run up the inside he had the momentum beeler's lost 717 00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:57,380 it and he's passed him down the back straight into 718 00:37:57,380 --> 00:37:59,960 the chicane tarqueening is driving where there 719 00:37:59,960 --> 00:38:02,640 effectively is no circuit he's over the curve hopping 720 00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:05,660 across landing smack in front of the Audi but he's 721 00:38:05,660 --> 00:38:08,640 now two lengths clear sprinting away again down 722 00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:10,920 the well i can't even call it a straight because it's 723 00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:13,800 a right hander the Audi is now on the wet on the 724 00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:15,820 inside of the circuit because there was a dry 725 00:38:15,820 --> 00:38:18,960 line developing on the racing line tarqueening is 726 00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:22,320 on it beeler's now settled for second best and the 727 00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:26,420 honda is going away adam that was some catch from 728 00:38:26,420 --> 00:38:29,960 beeler there wasn't it yeah i mean he had to you know 729 00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:33,180 it's it's very bumpy going into church but i also 730 00:38:33,180 --> 00:38:35,440 look i've watched it back at the footage and he sort 731 00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:37,380 of as he sort of slightly touches the brake you can 732 00:38:37,380 --> 00:38:39,140 imagine the white transfer on the front but then as 733 00:38:39,140 --> 00:38:42,160 it sort of turns in it's then immediately gave him 734 00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:44,580 some overstair but it wasn't too big he sort of 735 00:38:44,580 --> 00:38:47,000 he caught it sort of as he was going into the 736 00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:50,300 corner as opposed to a front wheel drive car where 737 00:38:50,300 --> 00:38:52,780 he probably would have completely gone away from 738 00:38:52,780 --> 00:38:54,660 you sort of mid corner and then you've just got to 739 00:38:54,660 --> 00:38:56,840 keep your towing so sort of luckily he was in the 740 00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:59,420 four four wheel drive cars he didn't look overly bad 741 00:38:59,420 --> 00:39:01,780 that if that'd been the same situation with the 742 00:39:01,780 --> 00:39:04,460 front wheel drive car it'd have been a massive slide 743 00:39:04,460 --> 00:39:06,420 but i think obviously what he did do was just he 744 00:39:06,420 --> 00:39:08,020 just lost his momentum didn't he coming through 745 00:39:08,020 --> 00:39:10,980 church because it is a great corner yeah so paul's 746 00:39:10,980 --> 00:39:13,820 it's so good it's so quick you have to get it right 747 00:39:13,820 --> 00:39:16,740 and you know i've had many a moment through there and 748 00:39:16,740 --> 00:39:20,100 so once you're in you in the rhythm he sort of just 749 00:39:20,100 --> 00:39:22,100 becomes the norm especially as your tyres are wearing 750 00:39:22,100 --> 00:39:25,480 to long race you know it just becomes norm you're 751 00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:27,960 going through there flat out um obviously about then 752 00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:29,960 they were obviously touching the brake a bit before 753 00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:32,300 that and obviously with the conditions even more so but 754 00:39:32,300 --> 00:39:34,400 yeah it's just one of them corners where you just 755 00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:37,060 didn't you just don't want to scrub off any speed 756 00:39:37,060 --> 00:39:39,400 anymore than you need to because you've got you've 757 00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:42,320 had to run towards it then you've got that long run 758 00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:45,620 to the chicane so you know you just want to be off 759 00:39:45,620 --> 00:39:47,560 the throttle for as little time as possible but yeah 760 00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:50,860 that's where clelland went off hoi watts yeah they 761 00:39:50,860 --> 00:39:53,100 went off yeah went off there didn't they because 762 00:39:53,100 --> 00:39:55,800 when and when independent and race two went off 763 00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:59,020 there as well oh jaymie wall jaymie wall yeah when 764 00:39:59,020 --> 00:40:01,600 hoi and watts went off there was a white car over 765 00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:03,420 on the left hand side that was sort of just gathering 766 00:40:03,420 --> 00:40:09,980 itself up i think when you watch the he's hit off to 767 00:40:09,980 --> 00:40:11,960 the door of the mondayo but then there was there 768 00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:13,520 was one sort of getting going again on the left 769 00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:15,920 hand side so and that's purely because of our bumpy 770 00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:18,140 it was and no temperature in the rear tires that 771 00:40:18,140 --> 00:40:21,240 move on when billa had his moment at church and 772 00:40:21,240 --> 00:40:25,180 talqueenie um the the coverage cuts to in car 773 00:40:25,180 --> 00:40:28,920 with talqueenie and him going through church that i 774 00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:33,380 mean his arms were just constantly moving yeah it's 775 00:40:33,380 --> 00:40:36,660 such it's such such a finely balanced it was so 776 00:40:36,660 --> 00:40:39,380 delicate the car was twitching all over the 777 00:40:39,380 --> 00:40:42,740 place it's really impressive to watch talqueenie's lead 778 00:40:42,740 --> 00:40:46,360 didn't last long however as billa was soon back past 779 00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:49,380 his oundies configuration suiting the conditions 780 00:40:49,380 --> 00:40:53,080 better than the honda billa led from there to take the 781 00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:57,200 flag and his first victory of the 1997 season by 782 00:40:57,200 --> 00:41:00,160 three and a half seconds with talqueenie's honda in 783 00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:02,860 second we weren't sure if it's going to rain or not 784 00:41:02,860 --> 00:41:05,820 and uh i think then when it started to rain it was 785 00:41:05,820 --> 00:41:09,180 perfect for us with equatro it's it's quite easy to 786 00:41:09,180 --> 00:41:11,700 drive under these conditions and all the others had 787 00:41:11,700 --> 00:41:14,580 more problems i think barry was that a deserved victory 788 00:41:14,580 --> 00:41:19,040 for the reigning champion there absolutely absolutely 789 00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:22,520 you know the the car's configuration four wheel 790 00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:27,120 drive dodgy conditions okay 95 kilos extra but it's an 791 00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:29,940 abrasive circuit of thruchston as we know and 792 00:41:29,940 --> 00:41:32,300 uh it would have been sticking to the tarmac i 793 00:41:32,300 --> 00:41:34,920 know he had a bad moment a big moment but he saved 794 00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:37,860 it uh others might not a lesser mortal might not 795 00:41:37,860 --> 00:41:41,900 have done uh but the car was working well and so 796 00:41:41,900 --> 00:41:44,640 much for his strategy he was going to go for it i 797 00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:46,580 keep coming back to it you know he had everything to 798 00:41:46,580 --> 00:41:49,380 prove and he was going to go for it so it was very 799 00:41:49,380 --> 00:41:53,060 much a deserved victory every inch of the way and 800 00:41:53,060 --> 00:41:57,120 he drove his little cahones off didn't he good drive 801 00:41:57,120 --> 00:42:01,040 as the dust settled there were a number of drivers 802 00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:03,940 that were unhappy with the decision to allow the 803 00:42:03,940 --> 00:42:07,100 racing to continue as the car struggled on slick 804 00:42:07,100 --> 00:42:10,680 tires in the wet some drivers claimed that during 805 00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:13,560 their morning briefing they were informed that in such 806 00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:16,260 conditions they would be held by the safety car 807 00:42:16,260 --> 00:42:19,700 allowing everyone to change onto the appropriate tires 808 00:42:19,700 --> 00:42:24,820 to continue racing without losing their positions the 809 00:42:24,820 --> 00:42:27,580 race was too dangerous with everyone's looks said 810 00:42:27,580 --> 00:42:31,480 gabrielli tarquini after the race we have a safety car 811 00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:33,780 so it's better for us to do three or four laps 812 00:42:33,780 --> 00:42:37,380 behind that tarquini wasn't the only driver sharing 813 00:42:37,380 --> 00:42:40,500 their views so let's hear now from tim harvey and 814 00:42:40,500 --> 00:42:44,080 derrick warwick talking to bbc sport most dangerous 815 00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:47,420 conditions i think driven in we all know the perils 816 00:42:47,420 --> 00:42:49,700 of this circuit and okay it wasn't too damp to 817 00:42:49,700 --> 00:42:52,540 start with so everyone started on slicks but then 818 00:42:52,540 --> 00:42:55,380 the heavens opened and i mean trying to drive a 819 00:42:55,380 --> 00:42:58,060 thousand kilo car on slick tires when it's aqua 820 00:42:58,060 --> 00:43:00,820 planing and you've got no control you know i really 821 00:43:00,820 --> 00:43:02,560 think the race should have been stopped at that time 822 00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:04,580 and you know it's not because i'm a wimp i'll 823 00:43:04,580 --> 00:43:06,480 drive in anything you know if i'd had a wheelbarrow 824 00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:08,600 i'd have driven it because i like driving in the wet 825 00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:10,940 as you know but you know when people aren't in 826 00:43:10,940 --> 00:43:12,560 control of the cars and they're flying off 827 00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:14,980 everywhere you should really stop the race and give 828 00:43:14,980 --> 00:43:17,740 people a chance to put the right tires on it was the 829 00:43:17,740 --> 00:43:21,240 most frightening 18 laps of my life it was just 830 00:43:21,240 --> 00:43:23,980 impossible to drive and yeah i'm frustrated because 831 00:43:23,980 --> 00:43:27,280 you know i was racing back with privateers and i don't 832 00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:30,520 expect to be doing that in autosport tim added that he 833 00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:33,280 had spoken to allen gow about this issue and that 834 00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:35,580 gal made it very clear that the owners was on the 835 00:43:35,580 --> 00:43:38,600 driver to make the right tire choice and not to 836 00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:43,400 moan about it adam that's um characteristically strong 837 00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:47,200 stuff from gal there uh and the drivers too what 838 00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:49,780 what what are your thoughts on it or what would you 839 00:43:49,780 --> 00:43:52,840 have wanted to have seen as a driver in that 840 00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:57,920 situation i wouldn't change anything you don't see 841 00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:02,000 anything you know yeah just get on with it you know 842 00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:04,860 honestly it's just i wouldn't i wouldn't expect 843 00:44:04,860 --> 00:44:07,380 a safety car to make wasn't absolutely monsoon 844 00:44:07,380 --> 00:44:10,030 conditions was it where there's a plane and you 845 00:44:10,030 --> 00:44:12,210 know that's when you'd expect a safety car where 846 00:44:12,210 --> 00:44:16,270 it is unsafe adam you sound so much like michael 847 00:44:16,270 --> 00:44:20,930 rutter get on with it you know you're going to live 848 00:44:20,930 --> 00:44:22,930 a million miles away from me but just i know you're 849 00:44:22,930 --> 00:44:25,170 the same part of the world get on with it what's he 850 00:44:25,170 --> 00:44:28,070 wind you do that that's it just get on with it like 851 00:44:28,070 --> 00:44:29,930 this is this is what's exciting this is what 852 00:44:29,930 --> 00:44:32,470 people want to see this is it's a but it's the same 853 00:44:32,470 --> 00:44:35,510 for everybody you know why do we want to pull a 854 00:44:35,510 --> 00:44:37,270 safety car out just because it starts sprinkling with 855 00:44:37,270 --> 00:44:39,770 rain you know you didn't see a ton of spray did 856 00:44:39,770 --> 00:44:43,310 you off any of the cars no it was very it wasn't 857 00:44:43,310 --> 00:44:45,830 it wasn't heavy it just created greasy conditions 858 00:44:45,830 --> 00:44:49,290 and yeah and i agree with gow if if you wanted to 859 00:44:49,290 --> 00:44:52,090 make if you wanted to change tires then you know 860 00:44:52,090 --> 00:44:55,490 where the pits are and i know yeah absolutely you 861 00:44:55,490 --> 00:44:56,910 know the pizza and it's the same for everybody but 862 00:44:56,910 --> 00:44:58,450 sort of nobody wants to make the brave decision 863 00:44:58,450 --> 00:45:00,350 being the first one because i'll make the first 864 00:45:00,350 --> 00:45:02,550 decision and then you're that sort of guinea pig 865 00:45:02,550 --> 00:45:05,310 then to disaster he's melted his wets and it's 866 00:45:05,310 --> 00:45:07,850 not wet enough now but yeah this is it it's no 867 00:45:07,850 --> 00:45:10,210 different than jordan's racing those conditions 868 00:45:10,210 --> 00:45:14,430 created such a brilliant race weekend absolutely yeah 869 00:45:14,430 --> 00:45:18,270 both races were action packed because of those 870 00:45:18,270 --> 00:45:20,850 conditions and the situation they found themselves in 871 00:45:20,850 --> 00:45:23,330 couldn't be processional otherwise it was yeah 872 00:45:23,330 --> 00:45:25,710 everybody was expecting menu to just do it again wasn't 873 00:45:25,710 --> 00:45:27,850 he's got the fastest car this is what's going to 874 00:45:27,850 --> 00:45:30,350 happen you know and then all of a sudden a bit of 875 00:45:30,350 --> 00:45:33,210 rain comes and you know i know tim had moaned about 876 00:45:33,210 --> 00:45:36,010 it as well in from the first race but we know 877 00:45:36,010 --> 00:45:44,450 what he nearly did in the second race the track had 878 00:45:44,450 --> 00:45:47,730 dried for the start of race two a couple of hours 879 00:45:47,730 --> 00:45:51,390 after the first race the start of the race menu 880 00:45:51,390 --> 00:45:54,070 conceded the lead once again this time to 881 00:45:54,070 --> 00:45:56,970 tanqueenie who was dragging his teammate along with him 882 00:45:56,970 --> 00:46:00,510 the hondas were first and second heading into the 883 00:46:00,510 --> 00:46:04,410 chicane with the pair of renault's behind them be 884 00:46:04,410 --> 00:46:06,910 the celebrations from his victory in the first race 885 00:46:06,910 --> 00:46:09,870 were soon squashed as he was nudged into the arncoat 886 00:46:09,870 --> 00:46:13,010 barriers at the exit of the complex by teammate 887 00:46:13,010 --> 00:46:16,690 john binkler it's a honda one two renault down in 888 00:46:16,690 --> 00:46:20,810 third and fourth later had a good start and off goes 889 00:46:20,810 --> 00:46:25,330 bila the first race winner bila is out bila was 890 00:46:25,330 --> 00:46:31,170 johnny barry an unfortunate inter -team incident there 891 00:46:32,210 --> 00:46:36,590 never never a happy garage after those where'd you 892 00:46:36,590 --> 00:46:39,830 like the blame of that one well i've looked at it 893 00:46:39,830 --> 00:46:46,710 several times in my var studio for me bila had it 894 00:46:46,710 --> 00:46:49,910 sorted in cobby knew where he was going he moved over 895 00:46:49,910 --> 00:46:52,850 he was on the line i think bincliffe lost the 896 00:46:52,850 --> 00:46:56,850 back end got got it stepping left and rammed 897 00:46:56,850 --> 00:46:59,490 him that's i didn't see the back of the car very 898 00:46:59,490 --> 00:47:02,050 controversial that very very controversial opinion that 899 00:47:02,050 --> 00:47:07,150 is well i'll look with him you know rammed him he did 900 00:47:07,150 --> 00:47:12,970 he torpedoed him yeah it's getting worse i've got a 901 00:47:12,970 --> 00:47:15,890 different view gordon there you just you need to come 902 00:47:15,890 --> 00:47:17,870 over to the left to give you so you can stay full 903 00:47:17,870 --> 00:47:20,350 throttle as you as you sort of rises up there and 904 00:47:20,350 --> 00:47:23,830 then sort of dips down so you it's just momentum 905 00:47:23,830 --> 00:47:26,270 coming on just don't that's the start of that's the 906 00:47:26,270 --> 00:47:28,190 start of the momentum that you need out the back so 907 00:47:28,190 --> 00:47:31,130 he was he was just he was moving over to the left to 908 00:47:31,130 --> 00:47:34,430 get his position but it wasn't a long side bila 909 00:47:34,430 --> 00:47:37,430 you know he caught his right front wheel with his 910 00:47:37,430 --> 00:47:42,790 left rear wheel so it's bila's it's bila's he needs 911 00:47:42,790 --> 00:47:44,790 you know he needs to position his car where he's 912 00:47:44,790 --> 00:47:47,710 not in danger of being hit by the car in front it 913 00:47:47,710 --> 00:47:49,810 was all pretty quick though wasn't it i mean no no 914 00:47:49,810 --> 00:47:52,570 you're wrong he would have been focusing on what was 915 00:47:52,570 --> 00:47:55,510 happening in front more than who was coming up the 916 00:47:55,510 --> 00:47:58,410 outside yeah binkley if he's focusing completely on 917 00:47:58,410 --> 00:48:00,770 the corner where he is focusing looking for the 918 00:48:00,770 --> 00:48:02,950 right hand side of the front windscreen he's not 919 00:48:02,950 --> 00:48:05,390 got his eye on who's to his left and whoever's on 920 00:48:05,390 --> 00:48:07,350 his left it's their responsibility fine if you 921 00:48:07,350 --> 00:48:10,770 want to be there be there but okay is it a racing 922 00:48:10,770 --> 00:48:14,130 incident then yeah yeah completely completely yeah 923 00:48:14,130 --> 00:48:16,350 it wasn't it wasn't anyone's fault but bila 924 00:48:16,350 --> 00:48:18,670 should have gave a bit more room knowing that the 925 00:48:18,670 --> 00:48:21,550 car is going to come out that way it's no difference 926 00:48:21,550 --> 00:48:24,610 what bila's been doing for in that case the question 927 00:48:24,610 --> 00:48:29,430 is quite provocative where do you lay the blame you 928 00:48:29,430 --> 00:48:33,750 stitch me up guys you stitch me up yeah i i 929 00:48:33,750 --> 00:48:38,090 don't it's certainly not binklips i think if 930 00:48:38,090 --> 00:48:40,230 anything the honest is a bit unto bila there i 931 00:48:40,230 --> 00:48:43,830 thought don't give me my dress will you i just 932 00:48:43,830 --> 00:48:45,450 think you could have gave another four or two bro 933 00:48:45,450 --> 00:48:50,290 you're coming one of me tractors i thought bila was 934 00:48:50,290 --> 00:48:53,570 quite unlucky really because it was just at the wrong 935 00:48:53,570 --> 00:48:56,470 point where there was the armcode barrier because yeah 936 00:48:56,470 --> 00:48:58,110 you know had it not been there he would have been 937 00:48:58,110 --> 00:49:00,910 able to rejoin the race but it was quite a quite 938 00:49:00,910 --> 00:49:03,090 a hefty one hard hit wasn't it yeah the damage 939 00:49:03,090 --> 00:49:05,110 on the front of the car was quite substantial 940 00:49:05,110 --> 00:49:07,650 considering it was a relatively low speed 941 00:49:07,650 --> 00:49:10,770 incident yeah i think if i've been in race one i 942 00:49:10,770 --> 00:49:12,590 don't necessarily think i could have repaired it for 943 00:49:12,590 --> 00:49:15,230 race two because no with the pillar way to hit him 944 00:49:15,230 --> 00:49:16,690 and like you could have damaged the roll case my 945 00:49:16,690 --> 00:49:19,090 favorite bit is where you're in car with frank 946 00:49:19,090 --> 00:49:22,030 after the accident and you just hear him go john you 947 00:49:22,030 --> 00:49:29,130 ah you could just feel his frustration but you know so 948 00:49:29,130 --> 00:49:31,470 it was no no doubt where he thought the blame laid 949 00:49:31,470 --> 00:49:35,450 with bila's al di in the wall the safety car came 950 00:49:35,450 --> 00:49:38,090 out for a few laps to help the marshals clear the 951 00:49:38,090 --> 00:49:41,470 car to safety but as it was out the heavens opened 952 00:49:41,470 --> 00:49:45,370 and the rain started to fall once again this left 953 00:49:45,370 --> 00:49:48,390 the drivers of the decision to make and sure enough as 954 00:49:48,390 --> 00:49:50,630 the safety car peeled off into the pit lane to 955 00:49:50,630 --> 00:49:54,910 resume the racing clelland harvey radisic and reed 956 00:49:54,910 --> 00:49:59,510 followed it in this caused chaos in the pits as cars 957 00:49:59,510 --> 00:50:02,110 had to run over airlines and jacks to get back out 958 00:50:02,110 --> 00:50:06,290 onto the track with reed being boxed in by pergeot 959 00:50:06,290 --> 00:50:10,030 and tim harvey tim boxed me in and just cut across 960 00:50:10,030 --> 00:50:13,450 my nose so whilst our pit stop was quicker i had to 961 00:50:13,450 --> 00:50:15,890 drive across his airline and wheel gun to get back 962 00:50:15,890 --> 00:50:18,410 out onto the track he told the press out for the race 963 00:50:18,410 --> 00:50:22,250 oh into the pits goes radisic and clelland's in 964 00:50:22,250 --> 00:50:26,230 harvey's in everybody's got the same idea john yeah 965 00:50:26,230 --> 00:50:28,750 that's okay we'll worry about it in a while as 966 00:50:28,750 --> 00:50:31,270 you said we gamble that's what you play for in a 967 00:50:31,270 --> 00:50:33,530 wet race whether or not to go onto group tires like 968 00:50:33,530 --> 00:50:36,690 this or these guys staying on slicks hoping that the 969 00:50:36,690 --> 00:50:39,370 rain is a light shower and will blow over well and 970 00:50:39,370 --> 00:50:42,030 being pushed backwards out of the pit he'll spin the 971 00:50:42,030 --> 00:50:45,110 wheels on that box or warm those group ties up as he 972 00:50:45,110 --> 00:50:48,210 oh dear me harvey takes the pit crew with him and 973 00:50:48,210 --> 00:50:51,850 the ally out goes reed and struggling to get out of 974 00:50:51,850 --> 00:50:55,570 the pits first in last out called radisic he will not 975 00:50:55,570 --> 00:50:58,070 be pleased for that situation a very congested 976 00:50:58,070 --> 00:51:01,430 pit here alex and more carnage in the pit lane 977 00:51:01,430 --> 00:51:04,990 again for this race wasn't it absolutely yeah and and 978 00:51:04,990 --> 00:51:08,010 it was it was sort of it was made even more so 979 00:51:08,010 --> 00:51:10,190 because there were four cars at once pitting and 980 00:51:10,190 --> 00:51:13,730 yeah and i did feel for radisic because they were 981 00:51:13,730 --> 00:51:16,730 at the border at the end of the pit lane but as as 982 00:51:16,730 --> 00:51:19,530 all the others piled out he was ready to go and 983 00:51:19,530 --> 00:51:21,650 and of course the way they were driving into the pits 984 00:51:21,650 --> 00:51:26,290 it wasn't like in 98 and 99 where they had a they 985 00:51:26,290 --> 00:51:30,050 pulled in horizontally they pulled in into the garage 986 00:51:30,050 --> 00:51:33,390 and then had to be pushed back out and because of 987 00:51:33,390 --> 00:51:35,770 this radisic had to just wait for all the other 988 00:51:35,770 --> 00:51:38,210 cars to go past because they're at the end of the 989 00:51:38,210 --> 00:51:40,370 pit so i did feel for them a bit on that but um 990 00:51:40,370 --> 00:51:42,310 reed reckons that he would have won the race had he 991 00:51:42,310 --> 00:51:46,190 not been um boxed in as it were by tim and perge 992 00:51:46,190 --> 00:51:49,830 he said that you know if um if if we got out there 993 00:51:49,830 --> 00:51:52,250 quicker we would have been in front of them and we 994 00:51:52,250 --> 00:51:55,330 would have won the race so yeah it just shows that 995 00:51:55,330 --> 00:51:59,270 these decisions can make you know race winning 996 00:51:59,270 --> 00:52:02,890 choices you know the decisions can change the 997 00:52:02,890 --> 00:52:05,150 outcome of the race you know back at the front 998 00:52:05,150 --> 00:52:08,110 menu swiftly got past Thompson to take second 999 00:52:08,110 --> 00:52:11,470 place and was quickly on the tail of tanqueenie and 1000 00:52:11,470 --> 00:52:14,790 challenging for the race lead the rain was getting 1001 00:52:14,790 --> 00:52:17,410 heavier and heavier and that meant that cleland and 1002 00:52:17,410 --> 00:52:20,250 harvey started to cut their way through the back 1003 00:52:20,250 --> 00:52:24,270 markers and at a very fast rate any chance of a 1004 00:52:24,270 --> 00:52:27,190 result for cleland don't was soon ended after he 1005 00:52:27,190 --> 00:52:29,970 and harvey tangled at the club chicane on lap seven 1006 00:52:29,970 --> 00:52:34,110 tim harvey number 12 tim harvey right up the inside 1007 00:52:34,110 --> 00:52:36,690 of john clellan a tiny nudge and that's all it 1008 00:52:36,690 --> 00:52:39,970 takes cleland's facing the wrong way and he ends up 1009 00:52:39,970 --> 00:52:42,430 but still running good driving kept it running 1010 00:52:42,430 --> 00:52:44,990 snatches a handful of gears and he's back on the 1011 00:52:44,990 --> 00:52:47,410 tarmac charlie two tough men neither of them given 1012 00:52:47,410 --> 00:52:49,530 it water harvey wasn't going to move there and 1013 00:52:49,530 --> 00:52:52,730 neither was cleland it was a typical harvey style move 1014 00:52:52,730 --> 00:52:56,550 the 1995 champion declared after the race he left me 1015 00:52:56,550 --> 00:53:01,310 absolutely no room adam do you think john has a point 1016 00:53:01,310 --> 00:53:03,110 there or do you think that was a bit more of a 1017 00:53:03,110 --> 00:53:09,450 racing incident into the club chicane um it's it's 1018 00:53:09,450 --> 00:53:12,510 difficult you want to see more angles but you know 1019 00:53:12,510 --> 00:53:15,470 like tim wasn't on the grass on the inside where 1020 00:53:15,470 --> 00:53:18,350 we've seen it before where the the inside car's been 1021 00:53:18,350 --> 00:53:21,610 squeezed but you're going down there so fast and we 1022 00:53:21,610 --> 00:53:24,810 know the outside line can be as quick as as the 1023 00:53:24,810 --> 00:53:26,610 inside line which you naturally think is the you 1024 00:53:26,610 --> 00:53:28,430 know it's the best it's the best line to take but 1025 00:53:28,430 --> 00:53:30,330 we also know that overtaking can be done on 1026 00:53:30,330 --> 00:53:33,790 the outside i was yes cleland was in front and 1027 00:53:33,790 --> 00:53:37,690 tim was slightly behind him but i just felt like john 1028 00:53:37,690 --> 00:53:39,370 could have just left him a little bit more room 1029 00:53:39,370 --> 00:53:43,090 knowing that momentum as you break in both cars 1030 00:53:43,090 --> 00:53:44,970 naturally you're trying to break and literally you 1031 00:53:44,970 --> 00:53:48,030 feel the back on the brink of losing it because you're 1032 00:53:48,030 --> 00:53:50,290 on the limits so much because you're turning right 1033 00:53:50,290 --> 00:53:53,870 but you're breaking so hard all the weights on the 1034 00:53:53,870 --> 00:53:56,950 front you've got belly any weight and obviously your 1035 00:53:56,950 --> 00:53:58,650 ears are locking on the inside as well which 1036 00:53:58,650 --> 00:53:59,830 doesn't help it's like someone put in the 1037 00:53:59,830 --> 00:54:03,190 handbrake on at times a little bit so the car 1038 00:54:03,190 --> 00:54:07,170 wants to go to the left so yeah i just felt that 1039 00:54:07,170 --> 00:54:10,490 john might be could have just knowing he was there 1040 00:54:10,490 --> 00:54:13,790 just maybe gave him another foot or two room thing is 1041 00:54:13,790 --> 00:54:16,510 there's such good friends john and tim you know it's 1042 00:54:16,510 --> 00:54:21,370 no um there's a couple of things it's mad how it was 1043 00:54:21,370 --> 00:54:23,510 the slightest touch wasn't it that just sent the car 1044 00:54:23,510 --> 00:54:25,250 around as you said the cars are so light at the 1045 00:54:25,250 --> 00:54:27,750 back yeah it was just the slightest touch and and 1046 00:54:27,750 --> 00:54:30,930 john they're saying he left me absolutely no room i 1047 00:54:30,930 --> 00:54:34,230 think it's the other way around john i mean i'm i 1048 00:54:34,230 --> 00:54:37,510 was i remember at the time thinking oh gleddy harvey 1049 00:54:37,510 --> 00:54:40,450 you know but as a big glellon fan but yeah 1050 00:54:40,450 --> 00:54:43,910 looking back on it now the racing incident and it's 1051 00:54:43,910 --> 00:54:45,890 just a shame because they're both coming from 1052 00:54:45,890 --> 00:54:48,730 pit stops so yeah you think that both of them 1053 00:54:48,730 --> 00:54:50,430 we're thinking right let's not fight each other let's 1054 00:54:50,430 --> 00:54:53,430 get back up yeah the field because they're just slowing 1055 00:54:53,430 --> 00:54:55,930 each other up fighting you know i don't know but they 1056 00:54:55,930 --> 00:54:58,830 yeah it's a shame it is a shame it happened and it 1057 00:54:58,830 --> 00:55:00,750 would have been nice to see how john would have 1058 00:55:00,750 --> 00:55:03,310 progressed but it wasn't to be as all that was going 1059 00:55:03,310 --> 00:55:06,170 on menu was making an attempt on the lead of the 1060 00:55:06,170 --> 00:55:09,150 race pulling up alongside our queenie heading into 1061 00:55:09,150 --> 00:55:12,190 the final chicane the italian held on to the 1062 00:55:12,190 --> 00:55:15,150 lead and menu seemingly settled for the points 1063 00:55:16,630 --> 00:55:18,970 barry if that was a settling for the point 1064 00:55:18,970 --> 00:55:22,630 situation from menu so early on in the year that 1065 00:55:22,630 --> 00:55:25,030 must be a sign that menu was already thinking about 1066 00:55:25,030 --> 00:55:27,410 the title even at the third race meeting of the 1067 00:55:27,410 --> 00:55:31,430 year well the keys in the word you use there 1068 00:55:31,430 --> 00:55:36,610 seemingly settled for the points and i think i think 1069 00:55:36,610 --> 00:55:40,070 no the final chicane as we all know and adam in 1070 00:55:40,070 --> 00:55:44,590 particular two into one doesn't go around there and 1071 00:55:44,590 --> 00:55:46,910 it's a question of self -preservation if you back 1072 00:55:46,910 --> 00:55:49,610 out of something that's common sense that doesn't 1073 00:55:49,610 --> 00:55:52,450 mean you're settling for points that means you want 1074 00:55:52,450 --> 00:55:54,510 to bring it home for a finish maybe you'll wait 1075 00:55:54,510 --> 00:55:58,570 your turn and have another go but i don't think yes 1076 00:55:58,570 --> 00:56:00,390 he was thinking of the title they're all thinking 1077 00:56:00,390 --> 00:56:02,970 of the title but i don't think that was reflected in 1078 00:56:02,970 --> 00:56:06,470 his driving i think that that backing out i think 1079 00:56:06,470 --> 00:56:10,490 was you know because he thought this ain't gonna 1080 00:56:10,490 --> 00:56:13,310 work you know if he's not going to lift off and i 1081 00:56:13,310 --> 00:56:15,130 don't lift off one of us is going to end up in 1082 00:56:15,130 --> 00:56:18,190 that grandstand or certainly across the rumble strip 1083 00:56:18,190 --> 00:56:21,050 yeah a bit like claren did the cover laugh for you 1084 00:56:21,050 --> 00:56:23,850 previously as we just discussed yeah you can't 1085 00:56:23,850 --> 00:56:26,090 you can't go you can't get two cars around that 1086 00:56:26,090 --> 00:56:29,270 chicane can you it's single fire common sense in my 1087 00:56:29,270 --> 00:56:33,870 opinion yeah self -preservation yeah meanwhile 1088 00:56:33,870 --> 00:56:36,710 patrick waltz was slowly rising through the field 1089 00:56:36,710 --> 00:56:39,830 and was up to seventh but coming through church on 1090 00:56:39,830 --> 00:56:42,790 lap nine he accidentally switched the master switch 1091 00:56:42,790 --> 00:56:45,970 off when switching on his headlights and he spun at 1092 00:56:45,970 --> 00:56:50,070 church and was out of the race alex i think we've 1093 00:56:50,070 --> 00:56:53,430 already mentioned with um when we were speaking about 1094 00:56:53,430 --> 00:56:57,850 barry's fantastic line of what the dickens was going 1095 00:56:57,850 --> 00:57:00,270 on there but that's got to be one of the most bizarre 1096 00:57:00,270 --> 00:57:04,170 incidents in a touring car race yeah it's weird isn't 1097 00:57:04,170 --> 00:57:06,530 it i mean patrick sort of told us about it when he 1098 00:57:06,530 --> 00:57:09,170 did his um his podcast with us didn't he yeah 1099 00:57:09,170 --> 00:57:10,950 that basically he was fumbling around for his 1100 00:57:10,950 --> 00:57:14,010 headlights and instead of hitting the headlights 1101 00:57:14,010 --> 00:57:17,390 switch he's hit the master switch and the whole thing 1102 00:57:17,390 --> 00:57:20,890 went out and he went off and um do you remember he 1103 00:57:20,890 --> 00:57:24,570 claimed that he would have won the race yes a lot of 1104 00:57:24,570 --> 00:57:26,650 drivers have claimed that they would win this race 1105 00:57:26,650 --> 00:57:32,550 um in in talking to us i know patrick listens to the 1106 00:57:32,550 --> 00:57:35,510 show so i'm sorry patrick but i i don't think you'd 1107 00:57:35,510 --> 00:57:40,070 have won this one but um yeah he's um it's it's a 1108 00:57:40,070 --> 00:57:44,130 bizarre incident and um one that would only happen to 1109 00:57:44,130 --> 00:57:46,770 patrick watts i think i think everyone knows what i 1110 00:57:46,770 --> 00:57:49,270 mean when i say that you know it's um he always 1111 00:57:49,270 --> 00:57:52,750 seemed to have the bizarre incidents always seem to be 1112 00:57:52,750 --> 00:57:56,610 in the wrong place at the wrong time and yeah it's 1113 00:57:56,610 --> 00:57:59,430 just another comedy of areas for patrick watts 1114 00:57:59,430 --> 00:58:03,250 bless him as watts was having his issues his 1115 00:58:03,250 --> 00:58:06,870 teammate on wet tires was slowly carving his way 1116 00:58:06,870 --> 00:58:11,310 through the field and by lap 17 the 1992 champion 1117 00:58:11,310 --> 00:58:14,590 was in sixth place and fast closing in on the 1118 00:58:14,590 --> 00:58:18,570 leaders adam this is some showing from harvey in the 1119 00:58:18,570 --> 00:58:21,130 pergeot isn't it getting up there with the the big 1120 00:58:21,130 --> 00:58:25,090 guns up top yeah i think he was i think you know 1121 00:58:25,090 --> 00:58:28,810 he at this point it's almost like you see tim 1122 00:58:28,810 --> 00:58:31,630 and that and the pergeot team was like underdogs but 1123 00:58:31,630 --> 00:58:33,470 you had to remind yourselves this was a 1124 00:58:33,470 --> 00:58:37,230 factory pergeot team you'd expect them to be up the 1125 00:58:37,230 --> 00:58:40,750 front being a factory team and you just you know you 1126 00:58:40,750 --> 00:58:42,690 imagine they've got everything in the toolbox 1127 00:58:42,690 --> 00:58:44,610 to get to get the job done and obviously what you 1128 00:58:44,610 --> 00:58:47,930 know talking to team managers that we've had in 1129 00:58:47,930 --> 00:58:50,070 in series three obviously we now know a lot 1130 00:58:50,070 --> 00:58:54,230 different but yeah um it's yeah it was exciting stuff 1131 00:58:54,230 --> 00:58:57,750 for to see tim potentially sort of try and get there 1132 00:58:57,750 --> 00:59:01,930 really um again like i said before it's almost 1133 00:59:01,930 --> 00:59:04,390 like if you're not the fastest car and the fastest 1134 00:59:04,390 --> 00:59:07,390 team this is your opportunity to to absolutely 1135 00:59:07,390 --> 00:59:10,410 pounce and maximize these conditions you know didn't 1136 00:59:10,410 --> 00:59:14,370 work out so well for um for allain you know with 1137 00:59:14,370 --> 00:59:16,150 the changing conditions because we felt like he 1138 00:59:16,150 --> 00:59:17,870 was just going to romp to victory in both if it's 1139 00:59:17,870 --> 00:59:20,490 dry but it then brings people like tim into the 1140 00:59:20,490 --> 00:59:23,790 equation where you know hasn't got the maximum 1141 00:59:23,790 --> 00:59:26,690 horsepower hasn't necessarily got the best handling car 1142 00:59:26,690 --> 00:59:28,890 however that all sort of goes out the window in 1143 00:59:28,890 --> 00:59:31,450 these conditions so yeah it became really close and 1144 00:59:31,450 --> 00:59:33,070 obviously a lot of people rooting for him to get the 1145 00:59:33,070 --> 00:59:35,430 job done and no one would have been more excited than 1146 00:59:35,430 --> 00:59:38,330 nearly getting there than him but it didn't quite 1147 00:59:38,330 --> 00:59:43,170 get get there but yeah as always exciting stuff by 1148 00:59:43,170 --> 00:59:47,350 lap 19 harvey was up into third place chasing men you 1149 00:59:47,350 --> 00:59:51,010 and tarqueenie and closing in on them with a handful 1150 00:59:51,010 --> 00:59:53,990 of laps to go there was a possibility that he could 1151 00:59:53,990 --> 00:59:58,450 win the race the plateaus misfortune tomsen's 1152 00:59:58,450 --> 01:00:01,690 misfortune and he is a man on a mission he's up to 1153 01:00:01,690 --> 01:00:04,630 third pass record right now is he jolly in with a 1154 01:00:04,630 --> 01:00:07,090 real chance of winning this race this is no kidding he 1155 01:00:07,090 --> 01:00:09,190 could win the reason which he's climbing through the 1156 01:00:09,190 --> 01:00:11,890 field the difference in the left speed a win is really 1157 01:00:11,890 --> 01:00:14,310 really on the cards there are still enough laps left 1158 01:00:14,310 --> 01:00:16,550 in this race for harvey to catch them he will deeply 1159 01:00:16,550 --> 01:00:18,550 love a little bit more rain because he's on the 1160 01:00:18,550 --> 01:00:21,170 better tires barry as you said in the commentary 1161 01:00:21,170 --> 01:00:24,210 there this is a real chance for harvey to take 1162 01:00:24,210 --> 01:00:28,630 purse for his maiden btcc victory isn't it absolutely 1163 01:00:28,630 --> 01:00:32,190 he was having an inspired drive and you know gating 1164 01:00:32,190 --> 01:00:36,910 momentum lap after lap after lap and as we saw 1165 01:00:36,910 --> 01:00:40,550 you know but for a tail ender it could have been a 1166 01:00:40,550 --> 01:00:42,670 completely different story you know going into the 1167 01:00:42,670 --> 01:00:45,270 final chicane it was a really really close thing 1168 01:00:45,270 --> 01:00:47,970 and he was on a mission there's no doubt about it 1169 01:00:47,970 --> 01:00:50,830 and but he was thought it and that's racing you know 1170 01:00:50,830 --> 01:00:53,710 one more lap and it'll be a different story i suspect 1171 01:00:53,710 --> 01:00:56,990 but he was definitely definitely on target for 1172 01:00:56,990 --> 01:01:00,390 victory and he wanted it with two laps to go harvey 1173 01:01:00,390 --> 01:01:04,470 passed menu and into second place tarkweanie was five 1174 01:01:04,470 --> 01:01:07,590 seconds down the road with harvey catching by 1175 01:01:07,590 --> 01:01:12,290 approximately three seconds a lap sadly for harvey he 1176 01:01:12,290 --> 01:01:14,730 caught up with tarkweanie at the club chicane on the 1177 01:01:14,730 --> 01:01:18,570 final lap with jamie wool's independent cavalier in 1178 01:01:18,570 --> 01:01:21,190 between them his sole ambition for the remainder 1179 01:01:21,190 --> 01:01:23,750 of this lap is to catch tarkweanie and how committed 1180 01:01:23,750 --> 01:01:26,070 is he did you hear that flat through church not 1181 01:01:26,070 --> 01:01:28,870 dropping a gear at a dry weather manoeuvre flat did 1182 01:01:28,870 --> 01:01:31,310 not lift that throttle at all now he's moving up 1183 01:01:31,310 --> 01:01:33,790 into the last corners jamie wool the privateer is 1184 01:01:33,790 --> 01:01:36,350 between harvey and tarkweanie that could be a 1185 01:01:36,350 --> 01:01:39,070 problem it's going to be also close rob gravid is 1186 01:01:39,070 --> 01:01:41,790 ahead of tarkweanie holding tarkweanie up jamie wool is 1187 01:01:41,790 --> 01:01:43,610 in there as well out the outside making a sprint 1188 01:01:43,610 --> 01:01:46,690 it's harvey but tarkweanie is on the inside land and 1189 01:01:46,690 --> 01:01:50,010 chicken flag goes to the italian what a brave brave 1190 01:01:50,010 --> 01:01:53,510 drive by tim harvey the honda people are thrilled 1191 01:01:53,510 --> 01:01:56,570 that's indeed i'm sure it's tarkweanie the racing in 1192 01:01:56,570 --> 01:02:00,410 the total cup was just as exciting with matneal taking 1193 01:02:00,410 --> 01:02:03,850 both victories the first for team dynamics self 1194 01:02:03,850 --> 01:02:08,110 -built mondayo program team dynamics had turned to 1195 01:02:08,110 --> 01:02:11,990 former btc star andy rouse after the silveston meeting 1196 01:02:11,990 --> 01:02:15,250 with rouse suggesting the team revised the suspension 1197 01:02:15,250 --> 01:02:19,350 and steering geometry on the mondayo the car feels 1198 01:02:19,350 --> 01:02:22,450 brilliant matz said after the races we headed to 1199 01:02:22,450 --> 01:02:25,130 pembry with andy after silveston and he's been 1200 01:02:25,130 --> 01:02:28,290 able to assess certain things with the setup the 1201 01:02:28,290 --> 01:02:32,850 car doesn't scare me as much now it's impressive 1202 01:02:32,850 --> 01:02:35,550 work by rouse to help get the mondayo more competitive 1203 01:02:35,550 --> 01:02:40,990 isn't it yeah i mean let's just start by saying that's 1204 01:02:40,990 --> 01:02:43,730 a very ambitious program isn't it by dynamics to 1205 01:02:43,730 --> 01:02:48,110 try and build their own supertora rather than do 1206 01:02:48,110 --> 01:02:51,350 the the usual which was find you know a cast off 1207 01:02:51,350 --> 01:02:54,430 from a from a works team from the previous season 1208 01:02:54,430 --> 01:02:59,070 you know they did that with the mondayo in 95 and 1209 01:02:59,070 --> 01:03:01,930 then you know they won the title at the canter but to 1210 01:03:01,930 --> 01:03:06,830 go their own way and build their own mondayo eventually 1211 01:03:06,830 --> 01:03:09,350 it worked out that it wasn't the way to go 1212 01:03:09,350 --> 01:03:12,850 because halfway through this season they ditched the um 1213 01:03:12,850 --> 01:03:15,850 they ditched the mondayo the self -built card and 1214 01:03:15,850 --> 01:03:19,250 they moved to the nissan and um and mat became more 1215 01:03:19,250 --> 01:03:22,990 competitive in a in a an older nissan premiere but 1216 01:03:22,990 --> 01:03:27,930 you know fair play to andy um who let's be fair i 1217 01:03:27,930 --> 01:03:29,870 know it was the mark two model that they were racing 1218 01:03:29,870 --> 01:03:32,730 but andy rouse knew his way around a mondayo didn't 1219 01:03:32,730 --> 01:03:37,090 he so yeah you know and uh it was it was tough 1220 01:03:37,090 --> 01:03:41,270 for night for andy rouse in 96 with those very old 1221 01:03:41,270 --> 01:03:44,070 nissan premiere as he was running on a on a semi 1222 01:03:44,070 --> 01:03:47,190 -work basis um so it was nice to see that he was 1223 01:03:47,190 --> 01:03:48,970 getting in because of of course that was his last 1224 01:03:48,970 --> 01:03:51,430 involvement in the championship directly um 1225 01:03:51,430 --> 01:03:54,930 those nissans because um yeah he he didn't have a 1226 01:03:54,930 --> 01:03:57,490 program for 97 so nice to see andy getting involved 1227 01:03:57,490 --> 01:04:00,390 and and yeah great he made the the car a race winner 1228 01:04:00,390 --> 01:04:04,630 um in the total cup but um yeah it's it's a shame 1229 01:04:04,630 --> 01:04:08,250 that eventually the program didn't continue because the 1230 01:04:08,250 --> 01:04:10,110 cars just weren't competitive enough you know 1231 01:04:10,110 --> 01:04:13,210 you had um you had some quick cars in the total 1232 01:04:13,210 --> 01:04:17,230 cup that year gravate in his honda yeah um uh lee 1233 01:04:17,230 --> 01:04:19,750 brooks lee brooks in his perjio yeah you know there 1234 01:04:19,750 --> 01:04:21,870 were some there were some quick cars that year and 1235 01:04:21,870 --> 01:04:25,130 when they switched to the nissan it um it certainly 1236 01:04:25,130 --> 01:04:28,730 improved things after an exciting meeting it was 1237 01:04:28,730 --> 01:04:32,270 great to see tarqueenie back on top of a btcc 1238 01:04:32,270 --> 01:04:36,730 podium his first victory in the series since 1994 1239 01:04:36,730 --> 01:04:40,990 because this race is so short that you you can't 1240 01:04:40,990 --> 01:04:44,230 change tire and i think the team harvey the shizan 1241 01:04:44,230 --> 01:04:47,850 was very lucky because when he came he came into the 1242 01:04:47,850 --> 01:04:51,990 pit for change tire he wasn't rained so was was 1243 01:04:51,990 --> 01:04:58,250 was completely dry so it's i think uh in the in the 1244 01:04:58,250 --> 01:05:01,830 three or four laps in the middle of the race was 1245 01:05:01,830 --> 01:05:05,870 very dangerous and for me uh was was better to put 1246 01:05:05,870 --> 01:05:08,310 out the safety car for three or four laps and 1247 01:05:08,310 --> 01:05:16,790 continue after it's now time for our question game 1248 01:05:16,790 --> 01:05:20,650 but sadly producer dan cannot be with us today so 1249 01:05:20,650 --> 01:05:24,410 this week we have producer ricky he's new to the job 1250 01:05:24,410 --> 01:05:26,570 so he's feeling a little shy so i'm going to read 1251 01:05:26,570 --> 01:05:29,870 the question out on his behalf there were four 1252 01:05:29,870 --> 01:05:33,310 drivers who finished both races at fraksen in the 1253 01:05:33,310 --> 01:05:37,290 same position three of which were manufacturer 1254 01:05:37,290 --> 01:05:42,330 drivers of these three who finished tenth for the last 1255 01:05:42,330 --> 01:05:48,110 championship point in both races i know this one paul 1256 01:05:48,110 --> 01:05:58,690 radisic is correct yeah paul radisic finished in 1257 01:05:58,690 --> 01:06:01,270 the same places would you know happen to know those 1258 01:06:02,550 --> 01:06:05,870 no the do you know the only reason i knew radisic 1259 01:06:05,870 --> 01:06:11,190 is because i watched the the race again and um 1260 01:06:11,190 --> 01:06:14,770 quite recently and it just noted radisic had a really 1261 01:06:14,770 --> 01:06:17,730 competitive qualifying he qualified seventh for one 1262 01:06:17,730 --> 01:06:20,490 of the races which was yes quite good for a monday at 1263 01:06:20,490 --> 01:06:24,930 that point so and and and then i noticed he got two 1264 01:06:24,930 --> 01:06:26,850 points finishes and oh look they were both tenths so 1265 01:06:26,850 --> 01:06:28,990 yeah it's a complete flute producer ricky chose that 1266 01:06:28,990 --> 01:06:33,190 yeah you know but no um i couldn't tell you any of 1267 01:06:33,190 --> 01:06:35,450 the others do you know them um i've been given 1268 01:06:35,450 --> 01:06:40,470 them by producer ricky um our menu was third in both 1269 01:06:40,470 --> 01:06:44,630 races yes rickard ridell was fifth and the 1270 01:06:44,630 --> 01:06:48,270 independent was rob gravitt he was sixteenth in both 1271 01:06:48,270 --> 01:06:52,210 races which resulted in a second place total cup 1272 01:06:52,210 --> 01:06:55,670 finish at race bottom third in race two it was it was 1273 01:06:55,670 --> 01:06:57,850 really bizarre that total cup that year because the 1274 01:06:57,850 --> 01:07:00,410 first two rounds at donnington were won by 1275 01:07:00,410 --> 01:07:05,050 colling alley in the bmw twice rob gravitt won both 1276 01:07:05,050 --> 01:07:07,810 rounds at silverstone and then matt neill won both 1277 01:07:07,810 --> 01:07:10,270 rounds in his forward at this round it was it was 1278 01:07:10,270 --> 01:07:12,510 a really close field that year that um that total 1279 01:07:12,510 --> 01:07:14,670 cup and jaymey war was quick in the cavalier as 1280 01:07:14,670 --> 01:07:18,350 well considering it was a yes 95 car yeah 95 car 1281 01:07:18,350 --> 01:07:23,530 your knowledge astonishes me gentlemen you must you must 1282 01:07:23,530 --> 01:07:26,690 have gone in short trousers on bicycles to those races 1283 01:07:26,690 --> 01:07:30,730 yeah i'm very excited talking about motorbikes 1284 01:07:30,730 --> 01:07:37,470 your knowledge will astonish us i mean for me super 1285 01:07:37,470 --> 01:07:40,170 touring and touring cars was was the number one 1286 01:07:40,170 --> 01:07:44,230 sport that was it i loved f1 but it was touring cars 1287 01:07:44,230 --> 01:07:49,550 for me that i loved um and i just yeah i mean i 1288 01:07:49,550 --> 01:07:52,050 went i went to the vast majority of the races and 1289 01:07:52,050 --> 01:07:55,530 i just drunk it in you know it was every single 1290 01:07:55,530 --> 01:07:59,290 bit of information that i could take out of it i i 1291 01:07:59,290 --> 01:08:04,910 took and yeah it shows it shows it's um it's 1292 01:08:04,910 --> 01:08:07,090 something i'm really really i'm still really really 1293 01:08:07,090 --> 01:08:11,430 fond of yeah i'm not happy to be the age i am but 1294 01:08:11,430 --> 01:08:15,710 i'm happy that i worked through a golden era uh in 1295 01:08:15,710 --> 01:08:19,090 two world sport and in four world sport even 1296 01:08:19,090 --> 01:08:22,670 albeit briefly with the touring cars but certainly 1297 01:08:22,670 --> 01:08:26,109 we always say don't we all the good old days but you 1298 01:08:26,109 --> 01:08:30,250 know it was a golden era in bike racing you know 1299 01:08:30,250 --> 01:08:33,850 now look at motor gp we it's basically a spanish 1300 01:08:33,850 --> 01:08:39,010 stroke italian championship and no americans no brits 1301 01:08:39,010 --> 01:08:41,729 as the old australian tinkering about around the 1302 01:08:41,729 --> 01:08:45,090 edges but nothing much happening and you know i 1303 01:08:45,090 --> 01:08:47,790 think you're you're quite right al that you know 1304 01:08:47,790 --> 01:08:50,609 there's a big sea change coming across the world of 1305 01:08:50,609 --> 01:08:59,229 motorsport full stop for this series of stories from 1306 01:08:59,229 --> 01:09:01,370 super touring we are delighted to be teaming up 1307 01:09:01,370 --> 01:09:04,090 with brand's hatch to give away two tickets to super 1308 01:09:04,090 --> 01:09:06,810 touring power two which is being held at the famous 1309 01:09:06,810 --> 01:09:11,109 circuit on the 29th and 30th of june 2024 the 1310 01:09:11,109 --> 01:09:14,109 award -nominated event was a smash hit last year when 1311 01:09:14,109 --> 01:09:16,670 its debut edition transported fans back to 1312 01:09:16,670 --> 01:09:19,390 the 90s and this year's event will once again 1313 01:09:19,390 --> 01:09:22,569 celebrate one of touring car racing's most fondly 1314 01:09:22,569 --> 01:09:26,010 remembered eras to enter the competition just answer 1315 01:09:26,010 --> 01:09:29,870 the following question who was the first ever guest 1316 01:09:29,870 --> 01:09:34,189 to star on stories from super touring send your 1317 01:09:34,189 --> 01:09:39,130 answers to podd at 1990sbtcc .com and we'll 1318 01:09:39,130 --> 01:09:41,569 announce the winner on a later episode this series 1319 01:09:41,569 --> 01:09:50,010 meanwhile let's get back to the episode this was the 1320 01:09:50,010 --> 01:09:54,350 closest perder ever got to taking a btcc win as tim 1321 01:09:54,350 --> 01:09:56,870 harvey finished right on the boot lid of gambia 1322 01:09:56,870 --> 01:10:00,130 lietard queenie i'd like to thank barry nutley for 1323 01:10:00,130 --> 01:10:02,710 joining us on stories from super touring today to look 1324 01:10:02,710 --> 01:10:05,510 back at this race and we hope we will see you on 1325 01:10:05,510 --> 01:10:08,690 stories from super touring again soon barry well thank 1326 01:10:08,690 --> 01:10:11,270 you all again for making me so welcome you know i 1327 01:10:11,270 --> 01:10:14,370 was no wrecked before we started you said you didn't 1328 01:10:14,370 --> 01:10:17,370 know what to expect but you made it very easy and 1329 01:10:17,370 --> 01:10:20,290 i enjoyed it very much looking back and i'm uh 1330 01:10:20,290 --> 01:10:23,270 i'm quite surprised how much the old brain cells 1331 01:10:23,270 --> 01:10:26,170 have retained you know going back all those years 1332 01:10:26,170 --> 01:10:28,630 there's a lot going on i'm doing the stuff i'm doing 1333 01:10:28,630 --> 01:10:33,230 now but i try not to i don't follow formula one i 1334 01:10:33,230 --> 01:10:35,850 don't follow motor gp because my hard drive is 1335 01:10:35,850 --> 01:10:39,090 full and i don't want to put loads of stuff in 1336 01:10:39,090 --> 01:10:41,090 there which is peripheral you know i'm kind of 1337 01:10:41,090 --> 01:10:43,810 focused on what i'm doing but thank you very much 1338 01:10:43,810 --> 01:10:47,410 for having me i've totally enjoyed it and i hope i've 1339 01:10:47,410 --> 01:10:50,570 been reasonable value oh no no i'm really barry thank 1340 01:10:50,570 --> 01:10:52,850 you so much cheers barry great to have you on oh 1341 01:10:52,850 --> 01:10:55,950 thanks as ever go to you guys for listening to the 1342 01:10:55,950 --> 01:10:58,710 show as well and if you enjoyed today's episode 1343 01:10:58,710 --> 01:11:01,750 please make sure to give us a review five star 1344 01:11:01,750 --> 01:11:05,090 rating and subscribe to the podcast feed on your 1345 01:11:05,090 --> 01:11:08,830 podcast app of choice you can also submit your 1346 01:11:08,830 --> 01:11:11,950 questions to 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