1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:03,080 Drew, I'm ready. Sorry I fucked it up. 2 00:00:03,080 --> 00:00:07,440 Go again, Drew. Andy, I've got something I want 3 00:00:07,440 --> 00:00:22,460 to talk Hello, Andy here from Tracks of 4 00:00:22,460 --> 00:00:26,780 Our Queers, the podcast in which I interview fascinating LGBTQ 5 00:00:26,780 --> 00:00:30,580 plus people about the music that has soundtracked their lives. 6 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:34,560 Brand new episodes of Electric Conversations are just a few 7 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:38,320 weeks away, but right now I'm indulging in the artist who has 8 00:00:38,320 --> 00:00:42,600 soundtracked my life, the one and only mother that's with an 9 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:47,120 A, not an ER, and the only woman who could resurrect the infamous 10 00:00:47,160 --> 00:00:51,400 Oral Fixation, the podcast I Co hosted with my bestie Drew from 11 00:00:51,400 --> 00:00:55,520 2019 to 2022. Drew, like me, is an enormous 12 00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:57,800 Madonna fan. So the two of us were chomping 13 00:00:57,800 --> 00:01:02,240 at the Mike a mere 36 hours after the release of Confessions 14 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:05,640 2 just last week. This album is a special one, 15 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:09,200 incredibly contemporary and future facing, while deeply 16 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:12,920 referential and reverential of her fascinating past. 17 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:16,160 It's been a bumpy ride at times for Madonna fans pretty much 18 00:01:16,160 --> 00:01:20,200 since the first Confessions album, but this record is a 19 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:22,920 triumph. So if you're interested in 20 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:26,000 listening to two homosexuals violently agree with each other 21 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:30,080 regarding the creative pursuits of a 67 year old woman, you're 22 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:32,800 in the right place. If you're more interested in the 23 00:01:32,800 --> 00:01:36,240 less unhinged, somewhat calmer reflections of standard tracks 24 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:39,520 of our Queers programming, mark your Diaries as I'm looking to 25 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:42,000 kick off Season 7 before the month is over. 26 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:47,240 Finally, tech checks and Airpods are a vibe kill. 27 00:01:47,720 --> 00:01:50,120 It took us half an hour to get Drew set up for this chat and 28 00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:52,120 then my microphone went and did me dirty. 29 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:55,400 So forgive me in advance. It can be very airpod voice noty 30 00:01:55,400 --> 00:02:00,480 at times, but for now it all started like this. 31 00:02:11,870 --> 00:02:13,670 I have a confession. Go on. 32 00:02:14,070 --> 00:02:17,270 I'm Kim Cattrall. You're Michael Patrick King. 33 00:02:17,830 --> 00:02:22,680 You've been trying for years to get me to return. 34 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:27,960 And like Kim Cattrall in the Season 2 finale event, just like 35 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:31,520 that, I said I've got some demands they included. 36 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:35,960 I don't want to touch an editing piece of editing software. 37 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:39,400 I barely want to touch social media. 38 00:02:39,400 --> 00:02:45,760 I'll repost whatever's posted and it has to be a discussion. 39 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:51,960 About mother and we docusigned that contract earlier today and 40 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:56,840 that is what's led to the first oral fixation episode in about 5 41 00:02:56,840 --> 00:02:58,920 years, maybe half a decade, half a decade. 42 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:04,400 I've been following tracks of our quiz, Your Side project with 43 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:07,320 gusto, with aplomb. I love it. 44 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:11,120 Let the record let me say this on my I love it so much. 45 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:14,800 You're Kirstie Young. I said this to you off my you're 46 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:18,000 a journalist. I actually feel really nervous 47 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:22,360 right now because I'm out of practice doll, you do this every 48 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:24,400 week. I've been standing around, we've 49 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:29,200 had listeners, we've had half an hour of tech fuckery. 50 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:30,840 Let's just say that. But we got. 51 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:34,240 Here we are, here we are. And so over the years we've 52 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:37,840 danced, we've flirted with the idea of if we were ever to come 53 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:39,640 back to orphitation, what would it be? 54 00:03:39,640 --> 00:03:43,320 Would it be KD Lang? Would it be steps? 55 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:47,360 I've got Will Young, Will, Will Young. 56 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:52,520 But it took mother to bring us back together and we had a 57 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:54,200 request from a fan, I believe, didn't we? 58 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:57,880 A fan was like. We did shout out to Liv. 59 00:03:57,880 --> 00:04:01,920 We did so obviously on Friday the 3rd of July. 60 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:07,880 Confessions 2 drops and with it I dropped everything. 61 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:11,360 We all collectively dropped. Any gay man over 35 dropped 62 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:14,160 everything. I'd say actually 28 around about 63 00:04:14,160 --> 00:04:16,560 now I think. Reckon is that OK? 64 00:04:16,600 --> 00:04:20,880 That's the word on the street. So funny how conversation so 65 00:04:20,880 --> 00:04:24,760 quickly turns to my gals and we were chatting about it and deep 66 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:31,640 sister-in-law of the pod live said to me we need and you were 67 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:34,560 all fixation episode and I said it'll just be Andy and I 68 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:37,080 violently agreeing with each other for an hour and a half. 69 00:04:37,760 --> 00:04:40,800 So if you've tuned in, if you've tuned in because I don't know, 70 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:44,720 you've seen this pop up on the Internet or that could be a bit 71 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:48,080 presumptuous of me to assume, but maybe you just maybe this is 72 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:50,240 in the tracks of our quiz feed and you're like, oh. 73 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:53,080 Maybe I should be? Yeah, like I'm really what's 74 00:04:53,080 --> 00:04:56,160 happening here. Before we go any further, just 75 00:04:56,160 --> 00:05:00,840 know you're about to listen to two faggots violently agreeing 76 00:05:00,840 --> 00:05:02,400 with each other. All right? 77 00:05:02,520 --> 00:05:04,920 Don't say we didn't warn you. Twas ever thus. 78 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:08,080 Why now? Why this sperm right now? 79 00:05:09,640 --> 00:05:13,000 I've got my thoughts. I think that this isn't the 80 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:18,640 first time that a new Madonna album has dropped since we've 81 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:22,600 been friends, since Oral Fixation was Life Has Been Life. 82 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:26,000 But there's something different about Confessions too, and it 83 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:31,680 feels certainly in the corner of the Internet that I'm occupying. 84 00:05:31,840 --> 00:05:37,440 This is being lauded as her best album since Confessions on the 85 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:41,040 Dance Floor, so it warrants discussion. 86 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:43,440 I've I have got something to talk about. 87 00:05:44,200 --> 00:05:49,640 I actually don't think that this is necessarily the sequel to 88 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:51,640 Confessions that it's been branded as. 89 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:53,920 I think that's a brand. I think there are two things 90 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:56,360 that tied to Confessions, I think the transitions and the 91 00:05:56,600 --> 00:06:01,600 flawless mixing exec producing by Stuart Price, and that it's 92 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:04,280 dance music. Beyond that, after having 93 00:06:04,280 --> 00:06:08,560 listened to this start to finish maybe about 11 Times Now, I 94 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:11,400 don't really see any other connective tissue too. 95 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:13,760 There are Sonic siblings. There are. 96 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:16,640 Sonic Siblings. But just as much as it connects 97 00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:19,840 to confessions, it also connects to erotica. 98 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:24,640 Bedtime Stories, Ray of Light. I really feel like this album is 99 00:06:24,640 --> 00:06:29,520 looking reflectively at that kind of golden period where 100 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:33,080 every album was untouchable. And yes, it has Stuart Price's 101 00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:36,720 amazing exec producing fingers all over it, but I actually 102 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:41,080 think this is the musical output of all of the energy that she 103 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:44,520 put into being determined to make this film of her life. 104 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:47,520 And then that didn't work. So then she went on tour and 105 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:51,120 that was great, but then she still wanted to do this creative 106 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:53,200 thing about her life. So then she tried to do the TV 107 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:55,600 show, but she couldn't buy back the script to the film. 108 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:57,400 So she was like, suck it, I'm going to make an album. 109 00:06:57,680 --> 00:06:59,960 This album is the biography of her life. 110 00:06:59,960 --> 00:07:02,800 I believe that she couldn't turn into a film or ATV show. 111 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:05,960 That's really interesting. When it dropped, we were 112 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:09,560 violently agreeing with each other on the text and I kind of 113 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:11,120 hinted at the same thing. I said it's not. 114 00:07:11,320 --> 00:07:14,320 It is a sequel, but it's not just a sequel. 115 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:16,560 To your point, I think I said something around along the lines 116 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:21,400 of it picks up on all of the strands of her DNA that have 117 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:23,240 really worked and builds on them. 118 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:28,440 Or MDN AM. DNA My question to you then is 119 00:07:28,880 --> 00:07:32,200 if you think it is this kind of it's obviously very biographical 120 00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:36,920 dance interior is the story of her beginning even from the 121 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:39,640 first, the beginning of the album. 122 00:07:39,640 --> 00:07:40,760 I feel so free which you've heard. 123 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:42,560 Before. But hearing it at the beginning, 124 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:45,320 in that context of it being part of the whole album and it and 125 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:49,040 that those that line, by the way, it all started like this. 126 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:55,000 It is very autobiographical. Do you, I'm probably shouldn't 127 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:57,000 ask this question And no, it might piss you off. 128 00:07:57,520 --> 00:08:00,400 I don't care. Do you think this is her last 129 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:01,600 great album? Wow. 130 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:06,720 Well, that's a question of which the events of the last few days 131 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:08,600 have just thrown out of the window. 132 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:11,880 I feel like this is the appropriate Segway. 133 00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:17,320 Now to reflections on the last what it's been like to be a fan 134 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:21,640 for the last 20 years or whatever, because since this 135 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:25,760 first Confessions album, the albums that have followed, 136 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:27,880 there's been moments of greatness. 137 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:31,120 But every time an albums come out, I've found myself having 138 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:34,360 these conversations, as many Madonna fans have of will we 139 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:36,919 have to get an album as good as Confessions again. 140 00:08:37,159 --> 00:08:41,799 Now that is entirely unusual for an artist to has dabbled in all 141 00:08:41,799 --> 00:08:44,280 these different genres, but pretty much from so you've got 142 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:47,200 this imperial phase where it's all of the singles through the 143 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:49,760 80s through to the Immaculate Collection, let's say. 144 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:52,800 And then from that onwards you've got erotica really 145 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:56,680 through erotica through to Confessions, Untouchable albums 146 00:08:56,680 --> 00:08:59,640 where yeah, there's some dubs on all of them, but they're stand 147 00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:02,800 out amazing Madonna albums. And then so from Confessions 148 00:09:02,800 --> 00:09:07,960 onwards, every album I think maybe sold half as much as the 149 00:09:07,960 --> 00:09:10,240 previous album. Yes, we were into the streaming 150 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:12,320 gear by then. So C DS weren't moving as much, 151 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:15,920 but there was this sense of diminishing returns every time. 152 00:09:15,920 --> 00:09:18,480 It was like, it's something's amiss here, right? 153 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:21,520 Has she just given up on music? She's turned her attention to 154 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:25,960 clothing lines and opening up gyms around the world and 155 00:09:26,280 --> 00:09:30,960 growing a family and unhinged selfies on Instagram, etcetera, 156 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:34,280 etcetera. So to your point of do you think 157 00:09:34,280 --> 00:09:38,200 this is the last great album? The last few years for me and 158 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:41,320 many of the Madonna fans have been really challenging. 159 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:45,440 I really thought we're not going to get another good album again. 160 00:09:45,520 --> 00:09:50,480 It's that ship has sailed, justifying extreme Occident. 161 00:09:51,160 --> 00:09:52,480 Has been right. I don't search I. 162 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:55,880 Find. But overall, yeah, it's been 163 00:09:55,880 --> 00:09:57,400 really rough. And there's been a lot of 164 00:09:57,440 --> 00:10:01,080 gaslighting going on. I feel like we've, me and you 165 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:04,360 would have been around dinner party tables or like, online 166 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:10,800 discourse where we have defended mother against the onslaught of 167 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:15,520 ageism and misogyny. But I myself have often gone 168 00:10:15,520 --> 00:10:18,120 inward. And for Is she too old? 169 00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:23,320 Is it all over? Has this untouchable woman who 170 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:27,200 always would create greatness? Are those days over? 171 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:30,040 And in the last few days I've been proven wrong. 172 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:41,120 I feel like we have just received the dividends of an 173 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:45,400 investment, if you will. I think we've invested in Mother 174 00:10:45,680 --> 00:10:48,880 and we've had a couple of decades where that investment 175 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:52,360 has wobbled and wavered and we've doubted. 176 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:56,320 And she's just proven why we invested all along. 177 00:10:57,600 --> 00:11:01,680 What do you think it is? What is the special ingredient? 178 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:05,800 Is it Stuart Price? Is it moving labels and this 179 00:11:05,800 --> 00:11:08,440 sort of the marketing and the storytelling behind it being 180 00:11:08,440 --> 00:11:10,760 stronger? Is it that she's just returning 181 00:11:10,760 --> 00:11:12,760 to this place that she feels really comfortable? 182 00:11:12,760 --> 00:11:17,320 What do you think is the reason that this is the time that the 183 00:11:17,320 --> 00:11:20,280 dividends are finally showing returns? 184 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:23,640 I guess it, I can't assume too much beyond what she shared with 185 00:11:23,640 --> 00:11:26,760 the public, but I think definitely having a near death 186 00:11:27,080 --> 00:11:29,880 experience a couple of years ago when she had that bacterial 187 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:31,400 infection where she was in a coma. 188 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:35,760 And that's the closest this kind of totally invulnerable woman 189 00:11:36,040 --> 00:11:38,160 was totally. Vulnerable with the world? 190 00:11:38,520 --> 00:11:42,640 And then to rally herself and then go on this kind of greatest 191 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:45,880 hits world tour of which she hasn't done before, where we 192 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:47,720 could see her vulnerabilities on stage. 193 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:51,120 We could see that she couldn't quite dance like she once did. 194 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:52,880 Maybe her vocals were a bit wobblier. 195 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:56,560 But it's like the those rooms were so full of love because 196 00:11:56,560 --> 00:11:59,240 this woman had rallied herself through a near death experience 197 00:11:59,240 --> 00:12:03,160 and was finally celebrating her back catalog in a way which felt 198 00:12:03,160 --> 00:12:05,240 authentic to herself and to fans. 199 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:09,520 It was like, oh, she's had this second chance, this new lease if 200 00:12:09,520 --> 00:12:10,960 anything. So I think that has been a big 201 00:12:10,960 --> 00:12:13,640 part to play in it. I think certainly getting back 202 00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:16,720 in a room with someone like Stuart Price, who is a highly 203 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:19,640 trusted collaborator, he was her musical director on the 204 00:12:19,640 --> 00:12:21,440 Celebration tour. So that seemed to be like a kind 205 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:24,120 of reunion for them. I don't know the insurance and 206 00:12:24,120 --> 00:12:27,320 outs of how record labels work, but for sure, she left Warner 207 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:31,440 Brothers, went to Interscope for these albums, which were on the 208 00:12:31,440 --> 00:12:34,000 dodgier side. And she even said to herself, 209 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:37,040 there's this infamous comment that she posted on her manager's 210 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:40,920 Instagram in, I think 2019 where she was like, what I'd give to 211 00:12:40,920 --> 00:12:44,640 just be allowed to work in a room with one trusted artist 212 00:12:44,640 --> 00:12:48,400 rather than being forced to sit in these writing camps with 213 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:50,920 people who can't sit still for more than 15 minutes. 214 00:12:50,920 --> 00:12:54,880 And it's OK, Shay, they might have ADHD, but she was 215 00:12:55,240 --> 00:12:57,440 recognising what other people have recognised before. 216 00:12:57,680 --> 00:13:01,400 Can I just say I had been blocked by mother on Instagram 217 00:13:01,400 --> 00:13:04,920 for raising this very topic with her since 2015. 218 00:13:05,280 --> 00:13:08,440 Let's not run on. Well, that that brings me to my 219 00:13:08,440 --> 00:13:12,000 next question, which is do you think there's a correlation 220 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:17,720 between her following Ingrid back and suddenly something? 221 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:21,240 It's Ingrid, it's Ingrid for sure. 222 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:25,120 Look, there are through lines there. 223 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:27,400 There's through lines is. Ingrid a bit mugged off that she 224 00:13:27,400 --> 00:13:30,440 didn't get to cameo in the Dance Materia film clip. 225 00:13:31,400 --> 00:13:33,720 And she didn't. Did she get name checked? 226 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:35,920 Let me. Just get her on the phone. 227 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:39,920 Can you? This is where I think Oral 228 00:13:39,920 --> 00:13:44,560 Fixation sung the most, which is me student you teacher. 229 00:13:44,840 --> 00:13:47,160 Obviously I got a couple of the references from the dance 230 00:13:47,160 --> 00:13:51,880 material rundown, but what are some of the really big hits in 231 00:13:51,880 --> 00:13:54,880 there? Can you talk us through who was 232 00:13:54,880 --> 00:13:57,640 in that club with her? What was going on? 233 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:01,880 Get on the elevator. I run into Debbie Mazar, the 234 00:14:02,200 --> 00:14:05,120 biggest to the third floor. Walk us to the dance. 235 00:14:06,040 --> 00:14:08,400 Floor I can't I really can't imagine someone listening to 236 00:14:08,400 --> 00:14:11,120 this podcast episode who hasn't heard dance material yet. 237 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:14,120 But if you haven't, it's the story of her arriving to New 238 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:16,920 York. Essentially Debbie Mazar the 239 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:20,120 Debbie Mazar Sharp's Debbie Mazar met her 42 years ago. 240 00:14:20,120 --> 00:14:23,520 Still best friends to this day. Love it for someone who is known 241 00:14:23,520 --> 00:14:26,400 for forming these relationships and casting them aside when she 242 00:14:26,400 --> 00:14:29,200 gets bored of them. Love to see Debbie stick around. 243 00:14:29,520 --> 00:14:33,680 There's the doorman of the Danceteria club, the B52's David 244 00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:37,040 Buck, who's the DJ that they'd like to coke with him to get 245 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:38,840 this her songs played. Right, yes. 246 00:14:38,840 --> 00:14:40,960 So Mark Hamans, I think that's his name. 247 00:14:40,960 --> 00:14:43,440 He was the infamous Danceteria DJ. 248 00:14:43,840 --> 00:14:46,440 And so the story goes that she would go to the club, she'd 249 00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:49,240 stalk the club with a cassette with everybody on it, Everybody, 250 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:58,200 someone dancing, everybody get a bell, do your thing. 251 00:14:58,280 --> 00:15:01,640 And she finally, yeah, did, maybe did a bit of blow, got in 252 00:15:01,640 --> 00:15:04,840 the DJ booth, got him to to hit play. 253 00:15:04,880 --> 00:15:08,560 And that's where it all began. It all starts like this. 254 00:15:08,760 --> 00:15:12,520 You said something to me that I, I, yeah, I violently agreed with 255 00:15:12,520 --> 00:15:15,440 where there are many moments on this album where it could have 256 00:15:15,440 --> 00:15:18,320 been a disaster. And I think from what I when I 257 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:21,240 remember seeing the track list for this album come out and 258 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:24,640 seeing the subtitle dance materia, it didn't excite me. 259 00:15:24,640 --> 00:15:27,240 I thought, oh, this could be a real cringe fest. 260 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:29,640 This could be like a real, I don't know. 261 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:32,200 I don't know what to expect. I just thought it could just go 262 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:36,600 terribly, but it's flawless. What do you think? 263 00:15:36,760 --> 00:15:41,280 I've got to say, I had one of the things that we've spoken 264 00:15:41,280 --> 00:15:45,520 about quite a lot when Madam X came out and it was sort of, we 265 00:15:45,520 --> 00:15:48,320 were starting to see signs of it in Rebel Heart, but Madam X 266 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:51,560 really was the moment for me where and this is not. 267 00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:57,200 I really need to make a point that this is not intended in any 268 00:15:57,200 --> 00:16:00,560 way that is ageist. It's just a fact that when we 269 00:16:00,560 --> 00:16:04,200 age our voices change and perhaps the notes that we could 270 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:07,800 hit when we were 2530, we can't hit anymore. 271 00:16:08,480 --> 00:16:14,080 Madonna, as she has aged, has probably been able to hit less 272 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:16,400 of the notes. She can still give it a good red 273 00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:18,840 hot crack and there are moments of brilliance in this record. 274 00:16:19,560 --> 00:16:22,120 But the thing that I struggled with I think most with Madam X, 275 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:25,480 other than the fact that some of it was just fucking bad shit 276 00:16:25,480 --> 00:16:30,200 crazy, is that the production, some of the production on her 277 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:35,040 voice on a significant number of the songs made it so that it was 278 00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:37,480 actually quite sort of. I found it a little bit 279 00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:40,640 difficult to listen to or not necessarily pleasurable to 280 00:16:40,640 --> 00:16:43,920 listen to her voice because of the auto tune or whatever 281 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:47,120 treatment had been given to it. And taking pleasure in listening 282 00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:49,080 to music is one of the baselines for me. 283 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:51,480 I want to enjoy the sound that I'm hearing. 284 00:16:52,040 --> 00:16:55,160 So when I Feel So Free came out, which is the first song that we 285 00:16:55,160 --> 00:16:59,360 heard, I was a little bit trepidatious because there is a 286 00:16:59,360 --> 00:17:04,160 bit of that sort of, I don't know, like auto tune up to 11 287 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:07,160 kind of treatment to it. And I was like, oh, OK, how's 288 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:07,960 this going to go? I'm going. 289 00:17:08,800 --> 00:17:13,000 To say I wish you I could be like other people, it's just not 290 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:17,520 cute. But I'm really delighted to say 291 00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:21,920 that doesn't really carry through in the album. 292 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:26,200 Look, obviously her vocal range is shorter and she's working 293 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:28,240 with that within that range, but she's doing it really 294 00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:31,920 comfortably. There are no skips on this album 295 00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:33,480 to me so far. You've said you've listened to 296 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:35,120 it 11 times. I'm probably sitting at about 297 00:17:35,120 --> 00:17:38,080 5:00, but there really are no skips. 298 00:17:38,080 --> 00:17:43,720 I absolutely love every single song on this album and it's such 299 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:47,520 a treat. It is an overwhelming experience 300 00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:51,880 as a Madonna fan to kind of get this, and I think that we 301 00:17:51,880 --> 00:17:54,600 haven't had that since Confessions, maybe because of 302 00:17:54,680 --> 00:17:59,400 Apropos, the fact that it is all one thing, it's one continuous 303 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:04,360 product that you're being given. So that might have something to 304 00:18:04,360 --> 00:18:08,000 do with it. But I am, I don't want to say 305 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:11,840 relieved because that feels disrespectful, but I'm just so 306 00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:15,520 elated that I love it and that everyone else seems to love it 307 00:18:15,520 --> 00:18:17,080 too. I think I am relieved. 308 00:18:17,320 --> 00:18:19,320 I don't know, and I don't say that I don't mean that in a 309 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:21,120 disrespectful way. I am so relieved. 310 00:18:21,480 --> 00:18:23,960 I feel validated. I don't want to labour on this 311 00:18:24,440 --> 00:18:28,440 capitalist metaphor of finally getting the dividends from an 312 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:31,120 investment that I feel like I've had to. 313 00:18:31,120 --> 00:18:36,560 I haven't had to, but I've wanted to defend this woman, 314 00:18:36,560 --> 00:18:40,560 this artist so much because she's made some very 315 00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:45,240 questionable artistic choices in the last 15 to 20 years that I 316 00:18:45,240 --> 00:18:49,280 haven't fully agreed with that. Before that, she was the 317 00:18:49,280 --> 00:18:51,240 blueprint. She is the blueprint. 318 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:56,280 You've got an untouchable run of 80s, nineties singles. 319 00:18:56,280 --> 00:18:58,640 You've got the albums I've already talked about, which are 320 00:18:58,680 --> 00:19:02,160 all fully incredible. We're surrounded by pop stars 321 00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:07,280 today who openly on their their sleeves say the ray of my album 322 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:10,440 is why I do this, the erotica album is why I do this, blah 323 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:13,920 blah blah. And so I've tried to remind 324 00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:17,840 people that she might be a bit cringe on at this award show 325 00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:21,640 with dodgy filler. She might be wearing this really 326 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:23,640 bonkers outfit. She might be posting these 327 00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:26,800 cringe selfies, but don't disrespect her pot respect on 328 00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:28,640 her name. And then I've walked away and 329 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:32,000 thought, why should they? She is being a bit cringe. 330 00:19:32,280 --> 00:19:37,000 So for this entire campaign, not just the album, the entire 331 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:41,840 campaign has been so flawless. It is a relief to me as a fan. 332 00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:44,200 It's no, I wasn't making all of this up. 333 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:46,520 I wasn't imagining how good she was. 334 00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:48,920 She actually is this girl. She just had her. 335 00:19:49,080 --> 00:19:51,760 Yeah, it's real. It's real. 336 00:19:52,560 --> 00:19:55,240 Do you think I want to thinking you sound. 337 00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:58,560 Are you OK? If you're wondering if I'm OK, I 338 00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:00,600 am OK, yeah. Plant based. 339 00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:02,280 Fran wants to know. Are you OK? 340 00:20:02,840 --> 00:20:06,160 Yes, shout out to plant based Fran. 341 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:09,200 We miss you, Fran, we miss you and we miss the emails. 342 00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:15,080 I want to take us back. I want to take us back to the 343 00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:18,280 original and I'd like to hear from you. 344 00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:22,720 Andy, what was your experience of the first Confessions album? 345 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:25,240 How did that come into your atmosphere? 346 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:30,160 I wasn't the psychotic Madonna fan then that I am today. 347 00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:33,600 I was familiar with things like the Ray of Light album and I 348 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:36,160 remember my sister having the Erotica album, but I wasn't a 349 00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:40,600 fan. I became a fan when I watched on 350 00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:44,360 Channel 4 the broadcast of the Confessions tour. 351 00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:46,840 So of course when the album came out, I was familiar. 352 00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:49,760 In the ether of this is a pop star who's been around for a 353 00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:52,120 while and she's having this big moment where everyone loves the 354 00:20:52,120 --> 00:20:53,560 album. Hung Up is amazing. 355 00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:57,120 I remember buying Get Together on the iTunes store, but it was 356 00:20:57,120 --> 00:20:59,240 still just like, she was just like another pop star to me. 357 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:02,560 And then I was watching. I was in my childhood bedroom 358 00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:04,680 watching. Channel 4 on. 359 00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:08,840 TV on this tiny TV and the Confessions tour was on and I 360 00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:12,200 wonder actually if it was the song Live to Tell that she was 361 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:15,480 performing because I knew that I was familiar with Live to Tell 362 00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:19,560 as a ballad from the radio, but I was and I it was a very 80s 363 00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:22,880 song to me. But on this TVI was seeing this 364 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:28,760 pop star as disco Jesus on a disco ball crucifix singing this 365 00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:33,040 song, beautiful vocals, beautiful theatrical outfits. 366 00:21:33,360 --> 00:21:35,360 And something clicked in my head where I thought, oh, this is an 367 00:21:35,360 --> 00:21:40,880 artist who takes material from her past and reinvents it. 368 00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:43,280 And that's interesting to me. That's quite cool. 369 00:21:43,880 --> 00:22:02,040 I ran And then I watched the whole 370 00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:06,000 thing and I was blown away. And I really think that then 371 00:22:06,360 --> 00:22:12,400 made me go back to previous. I found it very fascinating that 372 00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:15,240 she had this kind of wealth of material from her back catalog, 373 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:17,800 but she was still a very contemporary artist. 374 00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:21,120 And so I would watch these videos online of different tour 375 00:22:21,120 --> 00:22:25,400 performances and I'd delve into the albums and I guess at some 376 00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:28,200 point then I would go and listen to the Confessions album 377 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:30,760 properly. And it's interesting because 378 00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:33,800 we've since had a bit of disco revival, haven't we? 379 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:36,560 A few years ago we had like, there was one year, it was like 380 00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:39,840 the COVID year where we had Kylie, Jessie Ware, Rasheem 381 00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:41,480 Murphy. Oh, we don't know if we talked 382 00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:43,560 about that. Dua Lipa, They were all doing 383 00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:45,360 these kind of disco adjacent albums. 384 00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:49,880 Chromatica, shout to Chromatica. The Confessions came out a 385 00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:54,360 couple of decades beyond disco, but it seemed to merge all of 386 00:22:54,360 --> 00:22:57,120 these disco influences with things that felt very 387 00:22:57,360 --> 00:22:59,680 contemporary to the mid 2000s, right? 388 00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:02,640 So what was your journey with that album and falling in love 389 00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:05,400 with Madonna? Well, Maquita, it's been a 390 00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:11,880 journey, but it I think that Confessions was the first album, 391 00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:17,160 full album that I experienced in real time and sorry of Madonna's 392 00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:21,760 and fell in love with. And I remember because I'd known 393 00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:26,520 about obviously Madonna probably ever since I could live in in my 394 00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:30,080 living memory. Frozen and Ray of Light were 395 00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:44,090 very formative for me, but I never really, I knew the 396 00:23:44,090 --> 00:23:48,170 singles, but I knew it's law And that Ray of Light was probably 397 00:23:48,170 --> 00:23:53,560 the first instance of a comeback that I experienced in real time 398 00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:56,680 and it being this celebratory moment for Madonna. 399 00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:59,560 And then you had music, which was fine in an American life, 400 00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:02,960 which we which we've spoken about on this pod, which was 401 00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:06,000 kind of critically or commercially received in the way 402 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:09,120 that certainly Ray of Light was. And then next came Confessions. 403 00:24:09,120 --> 00:24:12,600 And I remember this is back in the day when there would be ads 404 00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:17,000 for albums on the TV and I, I don't know which newspaper or 405 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:20,480 magazine or whatever had said it, but the ad was like, it was 406 00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:26,560 the hung up like, And then up on the screen just came these 407 00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:28,320 words. Let's pretend it's the Guardian. 408 00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:30,680 And this quote was believe the hype. 409 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:35,680 This is as good as Ray of Light. And that just really excited me 410 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:37,760 because I was like, Oh my God, she's come back again. 411 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:40,560 She came back before and now she's come back again. 412 00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:44,680 And then I would have asked for the CD for Christmas and just 413 00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:47,560 about it. And I just you, you had to. 414 00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:51,080 And that was also a symptom of the time where you just listened 415 00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:53,680 from something from beginning to end, but you had to listen to it 416 00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:56,680 from beginning to end. And so it was the first sort of 417 00:24:56,680 --> 00:25:00,720 fully realized Madonna product that I just loved so much. 418 00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:03,520 And people were having the same conversation that we're having 419 00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:06,000 now back then. Is she too old? 420 00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:08,400 Is this the last great thing she's going to do? 421 00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:12,360 So it's actually really exciting that we're still having that 422 00:25:12,360 --> 00:25:16,360 conversation. That was that sort of that idea 423 00:25:16,360 --> 00:25:21,640 of it being I loved and I it's a very quick thing and I'm sure we 424 00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:25,320 would have spoken about this in the podcast's original run, but 425 00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:31,600 it the idea of this person coming back time and time again, 426 00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:34,880 but in, in the instance, in the, in the confessions. 427 00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:38,880 Era. Coming back and it being really, 428 00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:43,400 undeniably good was just so satisfying. 429 00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:47,800 Like the fans loved it, sure, but like, it was a universal 430 00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:51,560 acclaim that album received. And that was just so satisfying. 431 00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:55,760 And that is why I think I feel satisfied again now because it's 432 00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:58,400 just something just goes like in my little gay brain just goes 433 00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:01,160 like it it was, it was all worth it. 434 00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:07,520 And yeah, that's just, that's a really, it's a really exciting 435 00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:10,160 place, I think. Yeah, that was my first instance 436 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:21,840 of Confessions. I just wanted to share actually 437 00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:26,440 some of my favorite social media comments because we both follow 438 00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:30,920 some very intelligent people and some very funny fuckers. 439 00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:35,080 Ross Lohan called this album Confessions 2. 440 00:26:35,120 --> 00:26:37,720 I should clarify a certified tit. 441 00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:41,680 Chopper. An unknown gay called Madonna, 442 00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:45,000 the Deborah Vance of music. I saw that. 443 00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:49,720 Someone else I don't know, but popped into my feed said last 444 00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:53,240 night I wrote to a friend that listening to this record feels 445 00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:56,360 like I'm reconnecting with someone, that I was pre apps, 446 00:26:56,440 --> 00:27:00,880 pre doom scrolling. And that that really hit to hear 447 00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:03,840 you talk about how you came to the first Confessions album. 448 00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:06,480 That album still feels so fresh to me. 449 00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:10,480 But it was over 20 years ago and it was a pre apps, pre doing 450 00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:13,000 schooling life. And that, yeah, this is the 451 00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:16,440 first time that kind of Madonna has shown up in that way for me. 452 00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:18,880 And then my final favorite comment is something that I 453 00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:23,080 shared with you a few weeks ago in our WhatsApp conversation of 454 00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:24,360 violently agreeing with each other. 455 00:27:24,360 --> 00:27:28,280 Someone left this as a comment on the YouTube Confessions 456 00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:30,800 movie, which we haven't even really discussed yet. 457 00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:36,520 That is, it's Cumberbatch, Gwendolyn, Christie, they said 458 00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:40,680 for many people, some some random Assad, for many people, 459 00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:43,760 getting older means gradually letting go of the things that 460 00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:47,680 define you, stepping away from your ambitions, your lifestyle, 461 00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:51,560 your dreams, and eventually accepting a smaller version of 462 00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:55,200 yourself. She has challenged the idea over 463 00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:57,400 and over again, and for that, I'm grateful to her. 464 00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:00,320 She's changed my perception of aging. 465 00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:04,760 Chills. Chills because for years, while 466 00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:07,600 you can say mean things about your siblings or your friends, 467 00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:10,520 but no one else can. That's very much Madonna for me. 468 00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:13,640 I will bat for her if someone else calls her old. 469 00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:16,320 But inside I'm thinking actually, maybe is she a little 470 00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:17,200 bit old? But no. 471 00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:18,760 Time and time again she proves us wrong. 472 00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:22,080 We don't have to reduce our ambitions or our dreams because 473 00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:23,760 of ageing. And I don't know if that's 474 00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:26,160 because of the life stage that we're at right now where we're 475 00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:28,520 in our prime, but we don't want to. 476 00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:30,440 I don't want to not be in a prime. 477 00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:34,480 Life will change, but I don't. Yes, why should I not be in my 478 00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:39,120 prime 20 years from now? Let me slack language plus one 479 00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:44,480 that and ask you something. We were talking earlier about 480 00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:48,600 the fact that this is obviously a very autobiographical piece. 481 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:53,600 Do you think I'm building on that, that another reason that 482 00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:56,320 it's resonating so much, that it's clicking so much is that 483 00:28:56,320 --> 00:29:01,760 it's I would go beyond it being autobiographical and I would say 484 00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:05,040 it's her thesis. She it's the thesis of her 485 00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:07,760 entire career in I feel so free at the beginning. 486 00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:10,000 She literally says it's one of the first things she says. 487 00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:13,440 Sometimes I like to create a new persona and that is the. 488 00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:18,160 Sometimes. Yeah, regularly in five years 489 00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:21,160 she speaks about throughout the album. 490 00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:25,240 She speaks about the dance floor as community, and she speaks, I 491 00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:27,760 think there are like, four or five songs with the word love in 492 00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:29,680 them. Like, all of it. 493 00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:32,280 Not only does it pick up on these Sonic strands from her 494 00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:35,240 career, but it contains all of the things that she's been 495 00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:39,800 talking about for 40 years wrapped up in into this product. 496 00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:44,120 And I wonder if that might be why it's really holding a punch 497 00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:48,200 as well, because it is the crystallization of everything 498 00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:50,560 that she's stood for and everything she's fought for and 499 00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:53,680 represented not only in her music, but in her visuals and in 500 00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:57,240 her conduct for the past four decades. 501 00:29:57,280 --> 00:29:58,560 Yeah. I'd agree. 502 00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:02,320 I'd agree with all of that. And it's violently violently. 503 00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:05,680 But all of that is wrapped up in fun. 504 00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:09,000 It's also fun. It's a fun album. 505 00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:12,120 In. The last few years she's done a 506 00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:15,000 fair bit of looking back on the Rebel Heart album, there were 507 00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:17,960 songs where she looked they weren't fun, they would let down 508 00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:20,920 her guard. They were dark. 509 00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:24,920 They were they weren't very, they weren't very interesting to 510 00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:27,640 listen to, But this is fun. It's joyful. 511 00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:30,840 And even when love sensation was dropped a couple of weeks ago, 512 00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:41,120 my body was just filled with euphoria. 513 00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:43,480 But I was like, this is this, this could be a little bit of a 514 00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:45,880 throwaway ditty. This isn't really very 515 00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:47,440 substantial. And I was like, I don't fucking 516 00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:51,360 careless, just enjoy it. She's making fun pop music. 517 00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:53,400 This is what people have been asking for forever. 518 00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:56,280 So Speaking of, shall we get into it? 519 00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:58,640 Shall we talk about? Doesn't have to be 520 00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:00,880 chronologically, but it probably makes sense with the way the 521 00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:03,560 album goes. What are like your standouts? 522 00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:05,680 How many would you like me to pick? 523 00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:08,280 Shall we move through it? Because for me the album is, I 524 00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:12,720 see like thirds to this album. I get like from I Feel So Free 525 00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:15,880 through to everything. There's a bit of a vibe and a 526 00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:19,280 storyline and everything kind of ends in a bit of a dark place. 527 00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:23,000 But then we're lifted up through the light to love sensation and 528 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:26,840 I see a bit of a chapter there through to maybe school, and 529 00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:30,800 then certainly from Fragile onwards the dance party is over 530 00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:33,880 and we've gone more introspective and calm down 531 00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:37,640 South in that first third. What do you reckon? 532 00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:41,280 I think in that first third, I feel so free. 533 00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:44,920 When it first came out, I was like, oh, I love this. 534 00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:47,800 I love the Donna Summer of it. I love the future lovers. 535 00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:49,400 We're talking about Sonic siblings, right? 536 00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:53,120 That is a Sonic sibling with the original confessions for sure. 537 00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:58,360 Forget your. Problems administration. 538 00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:06,400 And I love as a sort of I liked it as AI liked it as a stand 539 00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:09,440 alone, but I love it as the opener. 540 00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:11,960 I love it. Other highlights for me, I've 541 00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:15,480 got a shout out Bring your love with Sabrina Carpenter. 542 00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:18,920 When I first heard it, I was like, what's that thing that's 543 00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:22,160 like scratching my brain? And I wasn't until I listened to 544 00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:23,920 it again as part of the whole piece. 545 00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:26,160 Does it interpolate good life by inner city? 546 00:32:35,050 --> 00:32:39,490 And that is that that kind of 90s that it makes me think of 547 00:32:39,810 --> 00:32:42,290 the not mentioned in that cetera, but it makes me think of 548 00:32:42,290 --> 00:32:47,930 ruin Michelle ruling New York, that kind of untouchable 549 00:32:47,930 --> 00:32:52,330 unknowable for us New York. It just, it really excites. 550 00:32:52,330 --> 00:32:54,330 Me, I didn't realise until she said this in an interview the 551 00:32:54,370 --> 00:32:56,730 other day with one Bob the Drag Queen. 552 00:32:56,730 --> 00:33:00,720 That song is literally about everything we've talked about 553 00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:05,560 with this kind of being forced to work with record label Hot 554 00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:08,680 Young Things of the Minute and think about streaming numbers 555 00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:13,040 and following trends, which to us is the antithesis of Madonna. 556 00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:14,280 Is it for? You. 557 00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:16,840 Is it for them? I know where the bodies are 558 00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:19,400 buried. I have so much more respect for 559 00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:30,240 that song now. And then the final sort of big 560 00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:32,960 hit for me in that first act that you were talking about is 561 00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:36,400 Danceteria. I just it feel I could not stop 562 00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:38,480 smiling when I first listened to it. 563 00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:41,400 And the same goes for every subsequent listen now. 564 00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:47,080 Roger than David Gern leave 52's head lounge 'cause you have so 565 00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:52,000 much to walk on the wild. Side so moving into the second 566 00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:54,000 act, we've talked about love sensation. 567 00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:57,640 I think Love Sensation is her tribute. 568 00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:00,000 She spends a lot of this album talking about people from her 569 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:04,360 past, her brother, her stepmother, all of the cameos on 570 00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:06,800 Dansateria. But I think Love Sensations 571 00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:09,199 about her current love. I think she's been with a guy 572 00:34:09,199 --> 00:34:10,760 for a few years now. I don't really know too much 573 00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:13,080 about him, but I think that's like a love song for him. 574 00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:16,880 Bizarre is about Sean Penn. Did that click for you? 575 00:34:17,199 --> 00:34:19,920 Did click. That did click for me, Yeah. 576 00:34:20,159 --> 00:34:26,920 And if you listen to bizarre, I think Bizarre and sorry, Sonic 577 00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:31,280 siblings, because there's a kind of it's there's like a there's 578 00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:34,159 that kind of like rhythmic, but there was something in the 579 00:34:34,159 --> 00:34:36,159 lyrics to bizarre that clicked with me. 580 00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:38,000 What did she say? There's something that was so 581 00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:43,920 Sean movie star. With deep blue eyes and 582 00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:48,760 Hollywood were a perfect price. Loved love without words and 583 00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:53,360 that is a real sort of, again, it's that that's one of the big 584 00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:56,199 temp holes of the thesis for me. She's literally it's a love 585 00:34:56,199 --> 00:34:59,960 letter to dance music and the fact that dance music is seen as 586 00:34:59,960 --> 00:35:05,200 this flippant thing sometimes, but it is rooted in truth and 587 00:35:05,240 --> 00:35:08,840 tribal community coming together. 588 00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:13,560 I love love without words and it's one of the stand outs to 589 00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:17,400 me. If not, no, no, it's not my 590 00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:18,280 absolute. Favorite. 591 00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:29,480 No. Allow me to be sincere for a 592 00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:31,960 moment. To the point of nausea I find 593 00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:34,360 fragile. Incredibly moving because it is 594 00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:37,080 about her brother who died a year or so ago. 595 00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:39,880 Yeah, you. Know because when I first heard 596 00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:42,480 it, I was like, oh, this is this sounds. 597 00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:45,240 I don't mean to be flipping. I thought it might be about 598 00:35:45,240 --> 00:35:47,000 people that she might have lost to age. 599 00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:51,000 Yeah, right. It is about a queer man that she 600 00:35:51,280 --> 00:36:00,810 has loved and lost. Yeah, and maybe for Madonna, the 601 00:36:00,810 --> 00:36:05,250 queer man son who literally grew up with her looked very similar. 602 00:36:05,570 --> 00:36:09,010 He was a genuinely brilliant artist in his own right. 603 00:36:09,010 --> 00:36:12,690 We fans owe a lot to him for the Blonde Ambition tour and the 604 00:36:12,690 --> 00:36:15,370 Girly Show tours. He creatively directed those 605 00:36:15,370 --> 00:36:17,960 things and but he also had this relationship with her where they 606 00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:23,320 were like that classic gay man, straight female best friend 607 00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:26,200 relationship as well. And quite sadly, you know, I'm 608 00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:28,360 sure anyone listening to this would know he wrote a book, a 609 00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:30,520 kind of towel book a few years ago on about her. 610 00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:33,400 A bit gross. Yes, I did download an illegal 611 00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:35,760 PDF so I've read it. I didn't give him any money for 612 00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:40,760 it, but I remember it opens with this line where he says I was 613 00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:44,280 born my mother's son, but I will die my sister's brother. 614 00:36:44,720 --> 00:36:47,480 And you've got to have respect for people who growing up and 615 00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:50,520 moving in the world in the shadow of someone like Madonna 616 00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:53,160 would have been hard. So it's I, I found this song 617 00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:57,640 very poignant to hear her sing really beautifully about this 618 00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:02,440 kind of best friend who there was a very rocky, yeah, 619 00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:06,000 challenging relationship with. And then the, I guess the final 620 00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:10,160 part of Act 2 is school, right? That's where you cut the line. 621 00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:13,240 Well, so so I think we skipped school, yeah. 622 00:37:13,240 --> 00:37:16,360 So maybe school was the end. I moved on quickly so going to 623 00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:19,760 school. I love school lol. 624 00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:22,440 School is my favorite song on the album. 625 00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:28,840 School is not only is it's just a banger to listen to, but it 626 00:37:29,240 --> 00:37:35,240 feels so current and I, I don't. Again, I hope it goes without 627 00:37:35,240 --> 00:37:37,800 saying that we are. If you're looking for ageism, 628 00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:40,360 you've you're misinterpreting my verbiage. 629 00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:45,400 I love and I'm blown away that this song was made by a 67 year 630 00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:59,000 old woman. It is cool and heavy. 631 00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:02,840 I think we spoke in our violin agreement WhatsApp chats. 632 00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:07,520 We spoke about the fact that in comparison to Confessions one, 633 00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:11,960 the beats throughout the album are a lot heavier. 634 00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:14,720 It sounds and feels a bit darker. 635 00:38:14,720 --> 00:38:18,240 And I wonder if that might be because it's, I don't know, the 636 00:38:18,240 --> 00:38:20,080 state of the world. But she's also spoken about the 637 00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:24,120 fact that she's made this album because of her feelings about 638 00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:26,240 where we're at globally at the moment. 639 00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:32,280 It just feels like there's more at stake and there is more depth 640 00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:37,200 and perhaps kind of importance and danger to things and 641 00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:41,360 something like school, which is just vicious and Beatty and 642 00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:45,120 intense. It really excited me. 643 00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:48,960 It really excites me. I love that song and it's my 644 00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:53,200 favorite on the album currently. And as you say that, I think 645 00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:59,080 it's really amazing how this album is drenched in nostalgia 646 00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:03,000 and looking back, but still feels so current and 647 00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:06,680 forward-looking. It's kind of, I don't know how 648 00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:09,080 they did it. I don't know how it can be so 649 00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:12,120 layered with all of these references from the past and 650 00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:14,360 specifically intentionally looking back. 651 00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:17,080 But then there's songs like this where you're like, it's so 652 00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:21,720 contemporary and innovative. And look, if she just has to 653 00:39:21,720 --> 00:39:24,560 work with Stuart Price for the rest of her career, so be it. 654 00:39:24,720 --> 00:39:27,000 Because something like him in a room, yeah, let's just stay 655 00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:31,440 there together. We need another one, Stuart. 656 00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:35,680 We need 1/3. My sins are my Saviour. 657 00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:51,920 OK, when I was listening to it, because I think that on Friday 658 00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:53,680 you'd listen to the whole thing already. 659 00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:56,520 And I actually finally enough listen to it in three acts just 660 00:39:56,520 --> 00:39:58,760 because I was like going to work and then on my lunch break and 661 00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:01,880 then whatever when it clicks over into my sins and my 662 00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:04,600 saviour. That was that planted the seed 663 00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:09,560 to me of this is not just a sequel to Confessions because I 664 00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:14,320 felt like I was listening to justify my love or something 665 00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:22,320 from erotica. I kiss you in Paris. 666 00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:25,760 It was just boys and girls kissing, senses hissing. 667 00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:30,320 Sorry about I was vibrating to listen to it. 668 00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:31,960 Thoughts on? Betrayal. 669 00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:35,680 OK, I actually have a weird connection to betrayal. 670 00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:49,800 The concept as well as so it's samples. 671 00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:53,480 Speaking of sampling, it samples this piece of classical music 672 00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:56,280 that I'm not going to try and I'm not going to try and 673 00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:58,600 pronounce. OK, I don't know it from the 674 00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:01,400 original, but are you familiar with Buddha Bar? 675 00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:07,680 Compilation. It's giving hotel costares or 676 00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:12,040 cafe Mambo, yes. Which is a huge part of my 677 00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:18,640 listening ideas and my DNA. So there's a bit of our song 678 00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:21,160 that also samples that kind of classical piece. 679 00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:24,000 And so that immediately made me go all trickily because it 680 00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:31,160 speaks to that late 90s, early 2000s trip hop lounge bar kind 681 00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:36,280 of bedtime stories time as well. So this, again, felt like we 682 00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:39,720 were dipping into other elements of Madonna's back catalog that 683 00:41:39,720 --> 00:41:43,680 we weren't expecting. And that tickled a part of my 684 00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:48,200 brain that I wasn't expecting to be hit with this album. 685 00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:53,840 And I think it's in the third act that Madonna and Stuart 686 00:41:54,720 --> 00:41:57,960 really start to paint up the walls and say, OK, here's the 687 00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:00,400 thing, here's the stuff that you kind of thought was coming. 688 00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:02,560 I'm going to give you that. And we're going to build on it 689 00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:05,240 and make it even better and really push the joy and the 690 00:42:05,240 --> 00:42:07,960 storytelling. But then in this third act, 691 00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:14,560 we're going to go even further and I am really grateful for 692 00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:20,200 that because it's not it that I think pushes it to another level 693 00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:23,000 that Confessions 1 doesn't go. I agree. 694 00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:26,080 I agree. So let's move on to which I 695 00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:30,240 think is something which could have been a disaster as you 696 00:42:30,240 --> 00:42:32,840 thought, I think as well the test. 697 00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:38,080 Little star, I tried to put you on a pedestal. 698 00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:42,320 You didn't ask for all the flashing lights. 699 00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:46,600 Little *. We spoke about the fact that 700 00:42:46,720 --> 00:42:49,680 Little Star on Ray of Light, which is about Lordez, is the 701 00:42:49,680 --> 00:43:06,480 penultimate song on the album and it's the same with The Test 702 00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:08,600 and I don't think that's a coincidence. 703 00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:13,040 Agreed, I know that it's been well documented that this was a 704 00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:15,120 come to Jesus moment for the two of them. 705 00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:18,360 I don't quite know what the sort of fractures were in their 706 00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:21,080 relationship before. I can't imagine it's easy having 707 00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:28,960 a mother like Madonna. But it is this really lovely, 708 00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:35,240 simple song that I think seems to meet them both where they're 709 00:43:35,240 --> 00:43:40,000 at, because Lord has had a few songs herself and obviously has 710 00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:41,760 never reached the levels that her mother has. 711 00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:43,200 And I don't think probably wants to. 712 00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:48,360 But I found it such a lovely and authentic collaboration. 713 00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:51,280 And you know what? I struggled to figure out who 714 00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:52,120 was who. Wow. 715 00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:55,400 Really. Yeah, Yeah. 716 00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:59,640 I thought that was a real sweet addition that I wasn't 717 00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:02,000 particularly looking forward to because it could have been 718 00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:02,800 dreadful. And it was. 719 00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:04,520 It was really, it was the opposite. 720 00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:05,720 It's so beautiful. Yeah. 721 00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:10,560 Really special. And then to end look, I get a 722 00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:12,960 bit emotional at this song, LES. It. 723 00:44:23,630 --> 00:44:27,670 Opens up with the kind of background noise of what I 724 00:44:27,670 --> 00:44:32,590 imagine is New York. It's like the buses creaking and 725 00:44:32,590 --> 00:44:37,110 St. noise and bins clattering. And going back to what we said 726 00:44:37,110 --> 00:44:41,830 about how this album is what maybe she wanted the film or TV 727 00:44:41,830 --> 00:44:46,360 show to be, she's beyond anything she's ever referenced 728 00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:47,920 before. She's talking about that young 729 00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:51,920 girl who was a nobody living in like a bedsit and kind of having 730 00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:56,480 this boyfriend who played acoustic guitar or whatever and 731 00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:58,120 was really creative artistically. 732 00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:02,440 But there was a point where she realized that he would limit her 733 00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:04,720 own ambitions, her own bond ambitions. 734 00:45:04,720 --> 00:45:08,360 And she knew she had to get rid to be the person that she went 735 00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:11,480 on to be. And that's a really special song 736 00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:13,240 for me. It's like an acoustic song. 737 00:45:13,240 --> 00:45:16,560 So to end this big dance record with this very introspective, 738 00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:19,680 personal song that again, I think could have been a bit 739 00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:21,600 naff, it could have been a bit corny. 740 00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:25,000 But I think it's the very sincere side of the coin to 741 00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:28,760 something like Dansateria. It's very kind of pure and 742 00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:32,480 honest and Lower East Side, Boy, I wasn't meant for you. 743 00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:36,240 I think it is absolute perfection in how to end an 744 00:45:36,240 --> 00:45:40,680 album like this. I agree and it really it 745 00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:45,880 actually tapped into some early oral fixation law for me. 746 00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:49,880 Do you remember what what we what album we spoke about in 747 00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:51,560 episode 2 of Oral? Fixation. 748 00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:54,640 The Velvet Underground. Yes, that song. 749 00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:57,000 It makes me think of Sunday morning Sunday. 750 00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:13,840 That sort of that come down in New York that trickily like 751 00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:17,000 untenable easing out of the party. 752 00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:21,760 And you know, the read walk on the wild side is referenced or 753 00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:34,240 sampled in that story as well. There are three lines there. 754 00:46:34,240 --> 00:46:38,840 And it really, when I first listened to her, I was like, oh, 755 00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:43,640 it's a bit of a downer to end the album on this, but it makes 756 00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:48,800 perfect sense. And I also wonder if it is this 757 00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:52,160 sort of the ending of her thesis, which is everything 758 00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:56,800 fades away. And I hope that it's not to pick 759 00:46:56,800 --> 00:46:59,280 up on what I asked you at the beginning of this episode. 760 00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:05,360 I hope it's not her kind of swan song, but it felt like perhaps 761 00:47:05,720 --> 00:47:06,960 it might be. I don't know. 762 00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:10,880 And. I think maybe I might be OK if 763 00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:14,880 this is the way to go out high to end on. 764 00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:18,800 She's having so much fun. The other night we saw scenes 765 00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:23,160 from the launch party in London where every queer and hag in 766 00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:27,040 London was at this party with mother's legs blown up. 767 00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:30,000 Allah Jerry Halliwell at the Brits if you will. 768 00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:37,720 And she's dancing on stage while Honey Dijon plays remixes of 769 00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:40,760 early 80s Madonna songs. And she's singing along and 770 00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:45,280 she's having an absolute blast. And I don't care if she can't 771 00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:47,240 dance like she did when she was in her 40s. 772 00:47:47,240 --> 00:47:48,600 I don't care if her voice has changed. 773 00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:51,520 She's having so much fun. She's with her people. 774 00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:53,760 She's surrounded by Stagger Tree. 775 00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:57,280 She looks amazing. Whoever her creative 776 00:47:57,280 --> 00:48:00,360 collaborators are at this point in time, it's working. 777 00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:05,040 As a fan who has made it through the wilderness, somehow we made 778 00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:10,680 it through. I'm just so I just have to enjoy 779 00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:12,880 the now. We might not get something like 780 00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:15,760 this again. And I'm so grateful that she 781 00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:18,920 nearly died a few years ago. She's two years from 70. 782 00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:20,720 We are lucky to be having. This. 783 00:48:20,720 --> 00:48:23,240 So just enjoy it, soak it all up. 784 00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:27,600 A couple of questions from me before we wrap up. 785 00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:33,720 First question was is where is my Kylie collab? 786 00:48:33,720 --> 00:48:37,240 I felt like that was hinted at. I think that'll be like a bonus 787 00:48:37,240 --> 00:48:39,200 kind of milli. Thingy. 788 00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:44,360 Yes, yes, OK. Any we'll have to dust off the 789 00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:46,480 mics for that one we've. Come back. 790 00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:47,840 I've got a question for you, Drew. 791 00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:49,360 What's it like being back on the mic? 792 00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:51,720 Do you miss anything about? Do you miss the technical 793 00:48:51,720 --> 00:48:54,400 difficulties or? Don't miss the Don't miss the 794 00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:59,880 half an hour of trying three different laptops to make this 795 00:48:59,880 --> 00:49:01,920 work. What you can't see, I don't. 796 00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:03,200 I tell you what, I don't miss that. 797 00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:04,880 I don't miss it because I never had it before. 798 00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:08,800 But the video aspect is a whole new dimension to me. 799 00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:13,400 It sure. Is a very complicated system of 800 00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:20,320 weights and pulleys to make me try and look in some way 801 00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:23,480 presentable for an audio visual format. 802 00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:26,920 But it has been. I've got to say this is no 803 00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:29,720 secret that it was one of the great pleasures and honours of 804 00:49:29,720 --> 00:49:32,080 my life to share a microphone so long. 805 00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:37,960 So to get back on the mic and have a discussion about mother 806 00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:42,000 with you has just been the absolute best way I could have 807 00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:46,000 spent my Sunday afternoon. It has been a week of huge 808 00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:50,080 comebacks in queer culture, confessions to this sort of oral 809 00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:52,560 fixation, tracks of our Queers collab. 810 00:49:52,720 --> 00:49:54,280 We don't know what the future holds. 811 00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:56,960 This might not be the last time that your voice is heard in the 812 00:49:56,960 --> 00:50:00,640 Tracks of our Queers feed. So more on that to come back. 813 00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:03,720 Liz, we basically did this for you, so I hope you enjoyed it. 814 00:50:04,240 --> 00:50:05,480 Yeah. Thanks, Liz. 815 00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:07,640 Yeah. Blank based friend. 816 00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:11,120 Send us an e-mail please. Our inbox is DRY. 817 00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:16,120 Don't get to listen to tracks of our quiz, Andy, can you give us 818 00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:21,000 any hints or little tidbits at the upcoming season? 819 00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:24,880 You've always been the first person to listen, first person 820 00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:28,000 to give feedback, and so I'm always hesitant to share with 821 00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:30,880 you hints and guests because I want it to be a surprise for 822 00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:32,600 you. But I'm going to leave you with 823 00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:35,720 two words. Go on. 824 00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:39,480 Bette Midler, you are kidding. Me. 825 00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:43,240 You. You hadn't be punky. 826 00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:46,640 I haven't interviewed Bette Midler, but that's the clue. 827 00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:50,240 Bette Midler is the clue. Oh, yeah. 828 00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:52,680 Yeah. OK, OK. 829 00:50:55,040 --> 00:50:57,080 And that ties us right back to episode one. 830 00:50:57,080 --> 00:50:59,080 Overall fixation. There you go. 831 00:50:59,560 --> 00:51:04,080 And that is our thesis, Drew where? 832 00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:06,400 Can if this is someone who's been listening to you for the 833 00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:10,120 first time, where can folk find more from you? 834 00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:17,800 Welcome, more than welcome to follow my my descent into. 835 00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:20,960 Hysteria. Hysteria. 836 00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:26,600 Despair on Instagram. My Instagram handle is with all 837 00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:31,600 Drew respect, with little full stops in between each one. 838 00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:34,880 Yeah, coming John. I'm I think about four or five 839 00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:38,480 followers away from hitting 1K. So if this is the thing that 840 00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:40,720 ticks me over, that will be it'll be all worth it. 841 00:51:40,720 --> 00:51:43,640 What's your favorite AF episode if you were to share with a new 842 00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:45,280 listener who's like Give me more? 843 00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:50,560 Such a good question. Do you know what I did listen to 844 00:51:50,560 --> 00:51:53,800 the, funnily enough, the Madonna episode that we did with Maxi 845 00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:55,520 Shields after she passed recently. 846 00:51:55,560 --> 00:52:00,360 But I would say yeah, the ABBA episode is an absolute hoot. 847 00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:05,600 I love our Liza Minnelli episode with Trevor Ashley, how about 848 00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:07,280 you? Two in the pink, one in the 849 00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:09,440 stink. That was our last one. 850 00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:13,560 No, my my absolute favorite is Sinead O'Connor in a hijab on 851 00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:17,240 Good Morning Britain is Queer. Yeah, which it is? 852 00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:19,520 It is that's that's a non negotiable. 853 00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:23,200 Where can people find you? You better find me at Tracks of 854 00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:27,120 Our Queers or Andrew, do you think you are? 855 00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:30,240 And yeah, I'm so excited that this has been a pure joy. 856 00:52:30,240 --> 00:52:32,200 No better way to spend a Sunday afternoon. 857 00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:34,920 And do you know what the absolute best thing about all 858 00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:37,240 this is? You don't have to depress 859 00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:50,200 anymore. Thank you to my best friend Drew 860 00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:53,800 for hopping back on the mic. You may hear more from him and 861 00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:56,120 his queer tracks in the future. Who knows? 862 00:52:56,760 --> 00:53:01,080 This episode of oral fixation slash Tracks of Our Queers was 863 00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:03,640 recorded on, well, Rajouri and Larakia Lant. 864 00:53:04,120 --> 00:53:07,600 You can e-mail me at tracksofourqueers@gmail.com and 865 00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:09,480 see you in a few weeks for Season 7.