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Now, it is my pleasure to welcome Benny at Johnson, AIG is
executive director. Stir and today's guest a chart,
Taylor president, and CEO of VB, Y is getting alliance.
Any, thank you, Amy, and welcome everyone to a truly special
giving Tuesday edition of RA IG, a fireside chat with none.
Other than our tiller. Just as a brief intro, art
Taylor currently and for the last 20 years has been the CEO
and president of BB's wise giving Alliance And for those
who may not be familiar, it can be found simply give dot-org.
As the head of this Alliance are oversees all aspects of the
organization's work, which includes setting the standards
for soliciting organizations for Charities, evaluating Charities
on standards in relation to their activities, publishing the
wise giving guide which is an incredible resource for those
who are looking to give and assisting local Better Business
bureaus with Charity reviews on accountability.
Leti and providing various materials to inform the way.
We give both as individuals institutions, business donors,
and to the government art has been in this role since July
2001. And during that time, he's
really transformed. Our notion of accountability and
impact and charity. He's often called to speak at
universities. In front of Congress in both
houses are looking at ethics and business and standards.
He's a professor at Columbia School of Professional studies.
He focuses a lot on Thinking about how our world can be
better through charity and charity accountability.
When we look at one of the core programs of wise giving, Which
is their charity skill, it receives more than 1 billion
Impressions, giving donors clear concise and accessible means to
know if they're giving to a trustworthy organization.
So we talked about arts background with wise giving,
it's also too important to note about his View for the future.
Why is giving his constantly be on the Forefront of innovating
in the charity space, in 2018, art led a collaboration with the
Stanford, social Innovation review to publish a series of
articles about advancing collaboration in a charity
sector. This work received a saes, the
association for Association Executives foundations,
Innovation award. The Innovation for art is not
just their of content. One of the things that he's
really proud of them were going to talk about the bit today is
in the past year, the organization has released giving
safely dot IO. This is the first charity
donation platform built on blockchain technology as an
incentive to giving trusted Charities, access and secure
data if donor information Art has really been on the Forefront
of building charity, and I'm happy to say that he is now a
member of our aiga national board.
We're going to talk a bit about Charities and design in the
future as well. So it's without further Ado, I
introduce you to thought leader, generous collaborator, wise,
giver, and futurists, are Taylor.
Thank you, good sir for joining me.
Well Benny, wow, thank you for the really generous
introduction. It's happened in 20 years and
you know it's just wonderful to be here at this point to talk
with you about all of the great work that is going on in a
nonprofit sector and at our organization in general and how
people are maybe even shifting some of their focus and how they
did to be more impactful and to live up to their own values and
personal aspirations. So it's the it's an exciting
time for all of us in giving even though, you know, we've all
experienced quite a bit of challenge given the pandemic,
but we're seeing the people's generosity continues in many
different ways, so it's great to be in my job.
It's it's great to have a chance to connect with you, someone who
I really respect. And hopefully over the years
have been able to give some advice to but I've also I've
also learned a quite a bit from you as well.
My friend. Well, thank you and that feeling
is definitely mutual. I think the first place we're
going to start with which for those who know me and have been
a part of my teams will know. It's not a strange place to
start before this. Fireside, I think it's a really
great place to start the first place to start is with
gratitude, so my first Question already is today.
What? What do you most grateful for?
Well, I think I'm most grateful for being able to live in this
very Dynamic time. It's the time where we're seeing
change in almost every Walk of Life.
We're seeing change in how people relate to each other,
although not in always a good way.
We got some work to do. We're seeing change in how we
work and play and we are I think adjusting and adapting.
Opting in people who have been left out are getting
opportunities now and they're coming into their own and people
who have had, I would say opportunities, maybe some of
which weren't as deserved are realizing that it's time to give
others a chance to compete as well.
I also think that technology while it has its problems, also
can be a great Ling influence. I think that there are many
people who are getting opportunities for instance, to
thrive. I mean, I look at the profession
of design. For instance, there was a time
when information about design, just like everything else was
cordoned off and to certain quarters and only certain people
could have access to it. Now, that information and design
is free flowing accessible to all giving.
The people who are creative all types of opportunities, to earn
a living, and engage in the field of design, to create
better better outcomes for people in different ways.
You know, I think about design and its power to influence us,
right? I mean, I think about images and
what they do to to our psyche, what they do to us emotionally,
how they how they engage us. Images are very powerful and
designers. I think hold the power to create
those images in communicate with us in a way that visceral that
really drives us to want to act and change.
So we can see these designs more plentifully now because of the
internet age and because of the digital age, were able to access
this stuff in ways that we could never before both as creators
and and people who actually use it.
But it really kind of needs in nicely to one of the
conversations that we've been having ongoing and looking at
the future is, how can we apply design and engage designers and
creatives More in our charity sector, as charity organizations
Look to, You Know, evolve and change.
And often there are organizations that are under
resource. So they don't benefit from the
other parts of the market where our community may be engaged
that we're their opportunities. Now, for designers, to be more
thought provoking, proactive generative partners with the
actual charity sector. Well, first of all, I think
nonprofits are natural collaborators with designers
because in a sense we're all trying to create change, right?
You know, nonprofits are not not content with the world as it is
right now, profits are all looking to do something that
will Change the world in some way to produce better outcomes
for things that are tangible. And in some cases, intangible
things like values for instance, you know, and how we do that,
certainly involves what we see and what we are able to design,
and how we're able to think about moving, from A, to B, in a
way that people can can access and enjoy and participate in.
And I think designers play a great role in helping us
understand that I would believe that.
Something as powerful, for instance, as an image, right,
can rock the world, right? You know, it can be even more
powerful than the work that people do who to make change,
just seeing things, you know, it's the connection between
institutions on the one hand that work on a day-to-day basis
to write to me, Things happen in movements that are, I think
stimulated by imagery, right? And by responding but how
artists respond to what they actually see in the actual
environment. I think these are things that
actually drive change and because they move people, you
know, they move you destroyed. So I'm looking forward to
finding ways to connect artists designers and others with social
good work because you're doing it anyway.
Now what if we're able to connect those who can
communicate it and move people with those who are in
institutions working every day on programs and products that
will also deliver the kinds of outcomes that people want need?
I think that's that's a really important Point what you've been
working on the last 20 years has been helping Charities.
Tell authentic and credible stories.
That drive that's backed up by the discipline in the work that
they do, you know, and creating standards for charity in which
there is a trust relationship that if you're giving to a
charity you can account on their work to be credible and to have
impact and being able to have that throughput is been really
kind of critical to look to the work that you're doing and
Charities. Now understand even more the
power of Storytelling. To build a through.
Now, in our, in our Ideal World, all the stories and all the
Charities are doing everything, right?
But in the world that we live in, we know that for all of our
good actors, sometimes their challenges in the space and so
talk a little bit about the work that you do with the charity
seals and give dot-org to help us navigate that world.
Dora. I mean about when I started 20
years ago, we would produce a report on an organization based
on our standards evaluations. And in order to see bad, someone
would have to actually go to a website to our website to
actually see the result of their report.
And we thought that while Charities are actually living by
soliciting people, they're sending tons and tons of mail.
Mail out to people to get them to give in many of these people
will never actually see a report before they make a decision to
give they make their decisions based on what they get in the
mail. What they see an email or what
they see on TV. And so we thought a visual
depiction of what a charity has achieved by being accredited
would be an outstanding way for us to provide a service to
donors. Because if you got that letter
and you saw that logo on it you would know right away that this
organization was accredited. Men are standards.
Well you know, fast forward, almost 20 years now.
And we see that this is indeed a very powerful symbol of a
credibility of accountability of legitimacy for charitable
organizations. And they all seek to 22, They
all aspire to get this particular logo on their on
their appeals and so it's been it's been a wonderful, wonderful
product that we've been able to put out.
And again, it points out the power of visual, right?
The power of symbols to indicate to people something that maybe
deeper behind it. So you know, one of the things
that we want to talk about today is in our conversation of
gratitude, really sets the frame, right.
You start with gratitude and that opens up the door for you
to think about giving and the power of generosity, you know,
kind of understanding that we all have things that we can be
thankful for really helps to set the mindset if you will for them
moving to the actual act of giving.
But for many of us, it's it giving to or Relations is
something you often don't think you're able to do, you know, we
see the big institutional gifts, right?
And it's can my little bit be impactful and we know that when
we add those together, it equals much but one of the things we
want to talk today is demystifying and encouraging the
power giving for individuals, in our recent design point of view
research, we saw that 40% of designers were donating and
giving back to their Community whether it's work or serious or
resources. So we know that we have the, we
have the ability, but we wanted to talk today about, what does
it mean to be an individual Giver?
Well, let's, you know, I talked to lots of groups and the
question generally comes up, why do people give in the first
place, right? Right.
No, it's not natural to take something that you have or
you've earned and turn it over to someone else.
It's just not natural, but yet we do it, you know.
So so what is it that motivates people to give and you know it's
one of the things I talked a lot about on my podcast which you Is
the heart of giving podcast night, which I hope you know,
folks will listen to. But when I talk about why people
give their generally in my mind four categories, I'm sure there
are others too but people give either because they're moved
religiously, some people do it because their religion says
there was a deity of some type that did great things for them.
And therefore They should act in the same way as that deity by
being generous to. So that's one way in other ways
that people are just humanitarian, you know, we care
about other people because we know that if other people can be
okay, then maybe we can be okay to or if something happens to a
friend or a neighbor, we want to support them because maybe
someday that might happen to us. Another reason we give is
because of quid pro quo and you know, that isn't often seen as
the most pure reason for giving, but it's a big driver of many
large donors in particular. I mean, if you think about a
college or a university and all the buildings that exist in
those places they're given by people who were able to get
their names on those buildings. So they're getting something in
return. I called Quid pro quo giving and
then there are people who give simply Benny because it feels
good. And there's been some scientific
research, done, that sort of backs up this notion that when
you give you get a dopamine rush and that Rush can sort of what
makes us also give some time. So any of these four reasons,
may underpin. You know why people give is a
mentioned before? It's a kind of unnatural thing.
But what you don't want is to, you know, have any one of those
reasons that you give be undermined by not giving to a
charity that can actually do good work, right?
And so we say it's really important to do some level of
research or some level of Investigation before you make
your gift. Now, as far as everyone being a
giver, we're all philanthropist and I think we really need to
demystify that term right. Whether you're giving a dollar,
whether you're giving, I don't know, a billion dollars, you
know. It matters, it matters in the
Aggregate and the power of giving.
Not only transforms the cause that you're giving to, but it
transforms you, right? It makes you feel different.
You know, it. Empowers you, I would challenge
anyone. Who is thinking about giving to
make a gift and then ask yourself how do I feel now that
I've given that and bending so many of us live lives without
purpose you know we're struggling every day to figure
out what is our purpose for life.
Why are we here? What are we here to do?
Well if you can choose a cause that matters to you, choose
something in the world that is bigger than yourself.
To, to try to resolve in some way that gives you purpose.
And when you have a purpose, then you can build your life.
Everything I believe Cascades from having some purpose in your
life. So that I think that purpose is
really what makes us makes us all givers.
We have a reason for being here, we think, okay, now that we know
that reason we need to make sure that we're doing what we need to
do to fulfill the The purposes behind that reason.
So anyway, that's that's what I think we should all consider
when we are making gifts. What are we here for?
Yeah, you know, and that's, that's really informed the work
that we're doing aiga this giving season, and we really
kind of reinforce last year, we're thinking about it, some of
our kind of core purposes. We looked at what are the
barriers to getting into the profession.
And often it's education. And I know personally, I think
about, you know, my experience, going to school and going to
college was greatly influenced by the generosity of the
scholarships that I received. Not only did it help open up the
door. It was that first endorsement
that you can do it first endorsement that on the other
side of this education, there was something there for you to
grow a part of it. So we've taken this an energy
this year for the season of gratitude and we're expanding
our a push for our wives. Get for our AI GA rural Studio
scholarships, which we looked into tied directly into what is
the heart of the organization, opening up doors for the
profession. So, I like to thank Mark
Randall, who helped create and put this together for eight
years ago. And has been an active force,
and pushing our scholarships, which are designed for students
to be an entry point into the profession.
And so, that's what we've been reaching out to give us a hyper
Focus. I love that because I happen to
know that not every person, chooses a profession, but really
are passionate about, right? We just don't we pick things
because we are exposed to something.
I talked to a lot of young people that I ask them.
Well, what do you want to do when you graduate college or
what do you want to do when you go?
Out and start working. And many of them will say things
like. Well, I want to be a teacher and
I say, well, that's wonderful. What makes you want to be a
teacher and they'll say, well I don't know what else I want to
do. So I'm just going to be a
teacher and they say that because the only exposure to
anyone of Authority, or anyone who they could have admired
other than their parents is their teacher, right?
And, you know, I just think about what if we could expose
more Millions, more Our people to what designers do, right?
Surely there are creative minds and talents out into in a world
who never know that, there's even a profession to express
that right, okay. And I just think that anything
we can do to get young people exposed particularly, people of
color, right? Anything we can do to expose
them to this beautiful. Profession that can change our
minds and hearts where you can make a great living where you
can be a value to mankind, where you can create a legacy for
yourself and the things that you produce will live on long after
you are gone, what? We don't get many opportunities
to do that. I think about so many young
people, I grew up with wanted to be pro athletes for all the same
reasons I just talked about, right?
Praise Him Glory of it. It's it's the beauty of being
able to, you know, dunk a basketball or shooting
three-point shot or it's it's the wonder that they have of the
Acclaim that they get from, from being an All-Star player, you
know, all of the end, of course, the financial rewards, right?
All of these are the reasons that people wanted to be an
athlete. Well, I think the same elements
exist in the design profession, but kids don't know about it.
There's so many Any talented young people out here, who could
get the same career. I think the exposure Rush
excitement in the design field and leave Society something much
greater. If they knew about it.
So I just I just hope we can, we can get more people knowing
about and we can get more people trained and educated and
oriented so that we can produce a flood of new creatives in this
profession who can drive us to a new place or socially and, and
produce a lot more social good. Yeah, we have been pushing
around the idea that future change, requires present action.
Mmm, And then we all have ancient city and being able to
provide giving writing being able to shake the space.
This is how we're focusing in, but that there are lots of good
causes and impact that we encourage everyone listening to
this Fireside to engage in Pierre Part of.
But when we talk about the future, I want to talk a bit
about the Innovation that you've been working with when people
don't often think Innovation and charity.
And they may not think that I would have a conversation about
blockchain innovation in charity.
But here we are one of the It'll tell you all that.
I love about art is Art is always thinking about what's
next. How did, you know, take new
opportunities how to think about technology and apply?
And I remember when you first reach out to me and said, I have
an idea and it's going to be giving safely that IO and it's
going to be a blockchain technology platform for trustee
giving and here we are. What about two years later?
And it's live and I'd love for you to share with everyone kind
of thought processing and what you're doing on this kind of
cutting edge. Of trouble.
You, you're right. It's out there and I will, but
it's not as out there as it was when I introduced the idea to
you. So hey, all right, I mean, when
we talked about this idea of using blockchain for social
good, it was maybe five or six years ago and I don't know.
One was even taking a seriously. I remember, you know, we were
talking to some colleagues about and they were like, what is
this? What is this guy talking about?
Right? It was he was that moment.
I think courage everyone, you know, if you thinking about the
future sometimes, you're on the island by yourself.
I was happy that I was on an album of Art and we were talking
about what could be possibility, and Skip ahead and Skip ahead.
So, the first thing I had to do, frankly was learn more about it
because I was, you know, really intrigued by cryptocurrency to
some extent but I think we kind of understand what that is you
know, and it's these alternative currencies and most Pilar using
them for some speculative purpose, but it was the
underlying technology, the blockchain, it produces the
cryptocurrency. That fascinated me, because it
has so many elements that combine accountability with the
ability to distribute assets freely, peer-to-peer that I
thought was really fascinating, right?
And so, I actually took a class at your You collapse, you
recommended. By the way I love you call, but
you sent me a note saying you might want to check this out and
it was a class offered by Oxford said University business school
and I took a class on blockchain strategy when I came out of that
class. I was more convinced than ever
that there was an application for Charities that we could
produce and we did we produce the first-ever blockchain based
donation portal. It's called give He died.
I oh, and you can go onto this platform, get a wallet and make
a donation to a charity. Receive a token receive tokens
in return, we call them giving points.
And in exchange for these giving points you can get experiences
with Charities that actually bring you closer to the cause
and their work. And we are.
We this also an information play.
So right now when we give away we give our information way to
different platforms. Forms, we get nothing in return,
but on give safely, if you give a charity information about
yourself, will you fill out a survey?
You get additional giving points.
So, the whole notion is to create greater relationships and
connections between donors and Charities without
intermediaries. And that's the key we're not in
the middle of it. We just set the platform up but
the Charities are dealing directly with you.
So that was the exciting. And of course, blockchain is
secure. Or we don't have to worry about
being hacked by any third party or anything like that.
So it's just a really exciting technology that I hope people
will investigate. Try to use.
You can give cash or you can give cryptocurrency to your
favorite chair through. Give safely die.
Oh then you're right. Benny, I do try to live with it.
At least one foot in the future Frankie because you know you
have to sort of think farther out to figure out You want to do
today, my future is friend. Bob Johansen is always saying to
me the next two years or Messi who can figure out what's going
to happen in the next six months, the next year, or maybe
the next two years. Everything is very messy right
now. But if you were to think ten
years out Things, become a lot clearer, you know.
So if I told you Benny and two years and, you know, fifty
percent of the cars on the road are going to be electric cars,
You would say I probably not but if I said in 10 years 50 percent
of the cars are going to be electric.
You probably say you know he's probably some plausibility to
that and that with that says though is if that's going to be
the case in 10 years maybe there are some things I need to do now
to get ready need for that but if I wasn't thinking yeah ten
year because if I was only thinking out too, Electric cars,
I wouldn't be doing anything to deal with the coming of electric
car, so that's why I try to do. I try to keep our business fresh
by thinking, further out, because it informs us what to do
today. And sometimes those things which
you did, they are, I just nibbling around the edges,
right? You know, small things that are
just weird. That don't really make a whole
lot of sense. Like, when we were doing with
give safely five years ago. When we produce the first
wireframes, people were like, what are you doing?
Well, It's a small investment but it helped us get prepared.
Now, look at blockchain. Now look at if you know what's
going on in the world of cryptocurrency and the
Investments that are going in. Well, we're ready.
And now other people are coming to us wanting to partner with
what we create. It's so it's excited.
It really is to kind of think about the role that thinking
with that Design Line, set helps the organization, help Charities
and help give which ultimately The equation is to make a
greater impact. No, no around it.
But Mark, Mark Randall, was sharing with me a story the
other day, talk about impact and we're going to be sharing these
stories for the remainder of this year.
And going forward, he told me this story about teaching and a
university and on his first day in countering two, professors,
who had actually won the scholarship a few Generations
ago. Mmm.
So we done. A lot to talk about the winners
in that moment. But one of the things that we
want to do talk about future that this impact in giving today
has on the Next Generation and the next generation of leaders.
And it was kind of this powerful story of here are the design
Educators who actually won the scholarship years ago.
And in this role, I've encountered in some of the great
conversations and weeding with craters around the country.
I've had people call me aside and tell me, you know, I won
Studio scholarship, 20 years ago, 15 years ago.
And so thinking about that, we've made sure that our focus
is also looking at students whose work focuses on social
Environmental, and Cultural impact.
So, kind of refining our Focus. Even today to, where do we want
weird? We want to see the impact 10
years from now. How can we help facilitate these
Investments as a community in the next generation of leaders
and impact makers? Well, and I think giving
Designers that orientation to look ahead is really important.
Let's face it. We are, you know, you know, how
we used to watch Star Trek years ago.
I'm sure everyone's heard the story, right?
And, you know, when it came out as a film, or when it came out
as a show, they had these Transporters, these little flip
phone like things, right? And we all thought these things
were so cool. And then 20, 30 years later, we
did it. But these, this is what was in
someone's head, someone designed that thing back then, as in as a
symbol of what was to come. So someone had to like look out
to come back and I think designers are people we depend
on to help us create that world. You know?
It's it's you taking what's in our heads and what's in our
minds? And giving us a logical
destination for where something might lead, right?
And then bringing us back to today to try to get ourselves
ready for it. How we can future-proof
ourselves by envisioning things that might exist in the future.
Create future posts, personas future products products from
the future, designers can help with that.
You can help us take what's in our Heads what's in our
aspirations and bring it back to us today in a prototypical form
that we can then build off. That's the beauty of design.
I think Benny, hey, I couldn't agree more.
You're absolutely right. I want to share this with our
audience because it always makes me smile.
When I hear you talk about design.
For those who may not have dug a little deeper into the
background art, you started off as an accountant.
It's EPA then went back to school and became a lawyer.
Then business Executives. Then it moved into the nonprofit
space and now a lot of the world I can say, we talk about is
teaching an engaging people in the future talk, a bit about how
you kind of embrace change in all of that.
You've learned. And experience really comes
through you thinking about charity, organizations and
impact and change today. Well, for me, I'm just curious
about the world. I just believe in continuing to
learn and To evolve. I was one of the people who
didn't quite know what I wanted to do when I grew up and I
looked in the newspaper and I saw that all the jobs were in
the county. I didn't asking for accounting
but I've been counting became the thing.
I learned a lot as an accountant, but I also learned
that they were so many other things that I could do with that
knowledge and It so happened that I got an opportunity to
work in a non-profit organization and then
ultimately, to lead that organization and that sort of
has been my, my situation really ever since.
But, but adding to what I had from an experiential standpoint,
right in an educational standpoint continuing and
lifelong learning, right? And as a leader, I think, It's
incumbent upon you to continue to reinvent yourself, to
continue to add on, in the creat, new information and
insights. Because that's what your value
is and you don't really have any other value.
Nobody really asked me to do much at work other than to help
lead and I have a great team, they do things but my job is to
really think and to really present insights and ideas and
to Put them in what they do in very unique and creative ways.
So in order to do that, I've got to be you know getting the most
out of everything in the world I have this on amount of how much
people are in the Facebook but I love Facebook for one reason
Facebook groups because this enabled me to connect with some
really interesting people. So one of the things I have on
Facebook is the space page called signals.
Right. And signals, is this group that
I created where people can come on and post weird things that
they're seeing and that's the whole purpose of it.
You see something weird? Put it up there, it could be
like a plastic Road and experiment with plastic roads or
it could be a flying car or it could be something dealing with,
you know, a drug, a new drug intervention that you're saying
it could be. A statement that someone made it
could be a policy that if it were to blow up, could become
really transformational in our society could be a new
organization, any number of things that are just new weird
on the edges. We post and seeing one of them
doesn't mean whole lot, but if you see two or three of them,
then you starting to get a feel that something's happening,
right? So, I asked people to join our
signals page and begin posting things because that also
refreshes me, it gets me thinking About different things
that I need to be prepared for. So that's really my thing been
in. And you know what else?
I love, I love being reversed, mentored.
I'd like to you, I'm sure you get lots of people coming to you
saying, you know, I would like you for you to be my mentor.
Or can we talk? And I love that but I tell them.
It's a two-way street, you know, don't just expect it.
I'm going to be mentoring you, I want you to Mentor me.
I want to know what's going on and in spaces where I might be
blind a little bit. So So I think the reverse
mentoring concept is really important, especially in a world
that's moving as fast as arcs. We gotta continue to reinvent,
Regatta, continue to learn and we got to continue to
experiment. Try different things in order to
make our lives fulfilling and meaningful and accomplish the
objectives that are important to us.
But I'll ask this question for you as we kind of round out, but
what are you excited about for 2022?
Well, I'll tell you. This will give you an idea.
I'm excited as we end 2021 because it's a precursor.
I think for 2022, our family is getting together again for
Thanksgiving and we didn't do it last year, right?
So that to me is a big symbol for what to expect, I hope in
2022, what I'm most Optimistic about is that maybe we'll be
able to better understand the limitations of virtual life
praying, but also add into that the limitations may be for the
things that we got from virtual life that we can add oil heat
you life outside of virtual a new creative thing that we did
Ben and I'm really looking forward to seeing how this works
in 2022. We added on to Give safely the
acquisition of some some property in a virtual Universe,
okay? Or 20.
So we now have give safely on crypto voxels, which is a
virtual world where people are acquiring property and posting
events and I'm really looking forward to how we can meet
someday, virtually what in a in a virtual world.
Not just, you know, with our digital analog, so to speak and
with our digital beings and this is also, I think a great
opportunity for designers because the virtual world is one
that we have entire control over how it gets designed, and how
its implemented, and how, it's How it it operates, the values
and so forth, designers should be all over the Virtual world.
The metal world as is as we've heard, right.
The meadow World designer should be all over that because it's so
exciting because it's literally starting we're starting from a
whole new frontier of how we engage and interact with each
other. So that's going to be exciting
and, you know, I'm a family person so I'm really looking
forward to spending more time. Now with my grandchildren and
looking for things that we can do, At give dot org and all the
other organizations that I'm affiliated with including aiga
to deliver huge value for the citizens of the country in the
world. Well, I can't think of a better
way to end. Then how will begin with the
statement of gratitude? So I am thankful art and
thankful for all you listening. I hope you enjoyed our
conversation today. I told you will be unexpected,
we talked about giving and crypto and met a universe.
How we can come and do work together.
So art is going to be invited back.
We're going to we're going to have this conversation again
next year at this time. Alright, so we can continue to
explore the ways in which design in the charity sector can work
together. So, thank you for spending this
time with us with CPA and lawyer, Transformer, wise Giver
incredible collaborator futurists and dear friend of
design art. Taylor, always enjoy.
It always enjoy being with you. Well with that, we wish everyone
a wonderful beginning to a season of gratitude with family
and friends and we encourage you in your own way to have an
impact this, giving Tuesday and visit give dot-org and support
aiga as World Studio scholarships.
Thank you so much. All right, thank you.
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