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Hello everyone. 
Welcome to aiga is fireside 

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chat. 
Thank you for joining us today. 

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The hashtags for this fireside, 
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together and future of design. 
Also, if you would like to 

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visit AIG a.org /. 
AI GA Dash together. 

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Now, it is my pleasure to 
welcome Benny at Johnson, AIG is

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executive director. 
Stir and today's guest a chart, 

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Taylor president, and CEO of VB,
Y is getting alliance. 

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Any, thank you, Amy, and welcome
everyone to a truly special 

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giving Tuesday edition of RA IG,
a fireside chat with none. 

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Other than our tiller. 
Just as a brief intro, art 

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Taylor currently and for the 
last 20 years has been the CEO 

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and president of BB's wise 
giving Alliance And for those 

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who may not be familiar, it can 
be found simply give dot-org. 

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As the head of this Alliance are
oversees all aspects of the 

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organization's work, which 
includes setting the standards 

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for soliciting organizations for
Charities, evaluating Charities 

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on standards in relation to 
their activities, publishing the

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wise giving guide which is an 
incredible resource for those 

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who are looking to give and 
assisting local Better Business 

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bureaus with Charity reviews on 
accountability. 

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Leti and providing various 
materials to inform the way. 

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We give both as individuals 
institutions, business donors, 

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and to the government art has 
been in this role since July 

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2001. 
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really transformed. 
Our notion of accountability and

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impact and charity. 
He's often called to speak at 

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universities. 
In front of Congress in both 

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houses are looking at ethics and
business and standards. 

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He's a professor at Columbia 
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He focuses a lot on Thinking 
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better through charity and 
charity accountability. 

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When we look at one of the core 
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is their charity skill, it 
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Impressions, giving donors clear
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know if they're giving to a 
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So we talked about arts 
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it's also too important to note 
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Why is giving his constantly be 
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in the charity space, in 2018, 
art led a collaboration with the

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Stanford, social Innovation 
review to publish a series of 

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articles about advancing 
collaboration in a charity 

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sector. 
This work received a saes, the 

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association for Association 
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Innovation award. 
The Innovation for art is not 

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just their of content. 
One of the things that he's 

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really proud of them were going 
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in the past year, the 
organization has released giving

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safely dot IO. 
This is the first charity 

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donation platform built on 
blockchain technology as an 

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incentive to giving trusted 
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data if donor information Art 
has really been on the Forefront

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of building charity, and I'm 
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member of our aiga national 
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We're going to talk a bit about 
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future as well. 
So it's without further Ado, I 

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introduce you to thought leader,
generous collaborator, wise, 

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giver, and futurists, are 
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Thank you, good sir for joining 
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Well Benny, wow, thank you for 
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introduction. 
It's happened in 20 years and 

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you know it's just wonderful to 
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with you about all of the great 
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nonprofit sector and at our 
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people are maybe even shifting 
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did to be more impactful and to 
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personal aspirations. 
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time for all of us in giving 
even though, you know, we've all

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experienced quite a bit of 
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but we're seeing the people's 
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different ways, so it's great to
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It's it's great to have a chance
to connect with you, someone who

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I really respect. 
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have been able to give some 
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also learned a quite a bit from 
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My friend. 
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is definitely mutual. 
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going to start with which for 
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a part of my teams will know. 
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start before this. 
Fireside, I think it's a really 

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great place to start the first 
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gratitude, so my first Question 
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What? 
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Well, I think I'm most grateful 
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very Dynamic time. 
It's the time where we're seeing

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change in almost every Walk of 
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We got some work to do. 
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work and play and we are I think
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Opting in people who have been 
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opportunities now and they're 
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who have had, I would say 
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which weren't as deserved are 
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others a chance to compete as 
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can be a great Ling influence. 
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when information about design, 
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cordoned off and to certain 
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could have access to it. 
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a living, and engage in the 
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better better outcomes for 
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right? 
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what they do to to our psyche, 
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how they how they engage us. 
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designers. 
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those images in communicate with
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really drives us to want to act 
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So we can see these designs more
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internet age and because of the 
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this stuff in ways that we could
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conversations that we've been 
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the future is, how can we apply 
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creatives More in our charity 
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resource. 
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other parts of the market where 
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that we're their opportunities. 
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thought provoking, proactive 
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actual charity sector. 
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nonprofits are natural 
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because in a sense we're all 
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right now, profits are all 
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will Change the world in some 
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for things that are tangible. 
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things like values for instance,
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and how we're able to think 
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understand that I would believe 
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Something as powerful, for 
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can rock the world, right? 
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powerful than the work that 
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just seeing things, you know, 
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institutions on the one hand 
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to write to me, Things happen in
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stimulated by imagery, right? 
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artists respond to what they 
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environment. 
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actually drive change and 
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know, they move you destroyed. 
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finding ways to connect artists 
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good work because you're doing 
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communicate it and move people 
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institutions working every day 
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will also deliver the kinds of 
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I think that's that's a really 
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working on the last 20 years has
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Tell authentic and credible 
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That drive that's backed up by 
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they do, you know, and creating 
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there is a trust relationship 
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charity you can account on their
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impact and being able to have 
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kind of critical to look to the 
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Charities. 
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power of Storytelling. 
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Now, in our, in our Ideal World,
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Charities are doing everything, 
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But in the world that we live 
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good actors, sometimes their 
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talk a little bit about the work
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seals and give dot-org to help 
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Dora. 
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on our standards evaluations. 
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soliciting people, they're 
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Mail out to people to get them 
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will never actually see a report
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give they make their decisions 
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mail. 
What they see an email or what 

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they see on TV. 
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depiction of what a charity has 
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would be an outstanding way for 
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donors. 
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and you saw that logo on it you 
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organization was accredited. 
Men are standards. 

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credibility of accountability of
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organizations. 
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all aspire to get this 
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their appeals and so it's been 
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And again, it points out the 
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The power of symbols to indicate
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deeper behind it. 
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that we want to talk about today
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gratitude, really sets the 
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You start with gratitude and 
that opens up the door for you 

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to think about giving and the 
power of generosity, you know, 

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kind of understanding that we 
all have things that we can be 

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thankful for really helps to set
the mindset if you will for them

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moving to the actual act of 
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But for many of us, it's it 
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something you often don't think 
you're able to do, you know, we 

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see the big institutional gifts,
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And it's can my little bit be 
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we add those together, it equals
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want to talk today is 
demystifying and encouraging the

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power giving for individuals, in
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research, we saw that 40% of 
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giving back to their Community 
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resources. 
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have the ability, but we wanted 
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it mean to be an individual 
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Well, let's, you know, I talked 
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question generally comes up, why
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place, right? 
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No, it's not natural to take 
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you've earned and turn it over 
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It's just not natural, but yet 
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someday that might happen to us.
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transforms you, right? 
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kind of reinforce last year, 
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that you can do it first 
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grow a part of it. 
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scholarships, which we looked 
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know that not every person, 
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are passionate about, right? 
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more Millions, more Our people 
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minds and hearts where you can 
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can be a value to mankind, where
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yourself and the things that you
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people, I grew up with wanted to
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Praise Him Glory of it. 
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able to, you know, dunk a 
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three-point shot or it's it's 
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Acclaim that they get from, from
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know, all of the end, of course,
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There's so many Any talented 
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excitement in the design field 
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oriented so that we can produce 
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profession who can drive us to a
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produce a lot more social good. 
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around the idea that future 
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Mmm, And then we all have 
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provide giving writing being 
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This is how we're focusing in, 
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causes and impact that we 
encourage everyone listening to 

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this Fireside to engage in 
Pierre Part of. 

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about the Innovation that you've
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don't often think Innovation and
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blockchain innovation in 
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I love about art is Art is 
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next. 
How did, you know, take new 

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opportunities how to think about
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And I remember when you first 
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an idea and it's going to be 
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giving and here we are. 
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And it's live and I'd love for 
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of thought processing and what 
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You, you're right. 
It's out there and I will, but 

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it's not as out there as it was 
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It was he was that moment. 

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I think courage everyone, you 
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future sometimes, you're on the 
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I was happy that I was on an 
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about what could be possibility,
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So, the first thing I had to do,
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some extent but I think we kind 
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underlying technology, the 
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cryptocurrency. 
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has so many elements that 
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ability to distribute assets 
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thought was really fascinating, 
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And so, I actually took a class 
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recommended. 
By the way I love you call, but 

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you sent me a note saying you 
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it was a class offered by Oxford
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and I took a class on blockchain
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class. 
I was more convinced than ever 

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that there was an application 
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produce and we did we produce 
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donation portal. 
It's called give He died. 

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I oh, and you can go onto this 
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a donation to a charity. 
Receive a token receive tokens 

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in return, we call them giving 
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And in exchange for these giving
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with Charities that actually 
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and their work. 
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We this also an information 
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So right now when we give away 
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different platforms. 
Forms, we get nothing in return,

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but on give safely, if you give 
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yourself, will you fill out a 
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You get additional giving 
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So, the whole notion is to 
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connections between donors and 
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intermediaries. 
And that's the key we're not in 

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the middle of it. 
We just set the platform up but 

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the Charities are dealing 
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So that was the exciting. 
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secure. 
Or we don't have to worry about 

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So it's just a really exciting 
technology that I hope people 

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will investigate. 
Try to use. 

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You can give cash or you can 
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favorite chair through. 
Give safely die. 

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Oh then you're right. 
Benny, I do try to live with it.

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At least one foot in the future 
Frankie because you know you 

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have to sort of think farther 
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today, my future is friend. 
Bob Johansen is always saying to

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me the next two years or Messi 
who can figure out what's going 

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to happen in the next six 
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the next two years. 
Everything is very messy right 

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now. 
But if you were to think ten 

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years out Things, become a lot 
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So if I told you Benny and two 
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percent of the cars on the road 
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You would say I probably not but
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of the cars are going to be 
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You probably say you know he's 
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that and that with that says 
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the case in 10 years maybe there
are some things I need to do now

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00:29:06,500 --> 00:29:13,200
to get ready need for that but 
if I wasn't thinking yeah ten 

455
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:17,700
year because if I was only 
thinking out too, Electric cars,

456
00:29:17,700 --> 00:29:21,400
I wouldn't be doing anything to 
deal with the coming of electric

457
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:25,500
car, so that's why I try to do. 
I try to keep our business fresh

458
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:28,600
by thinking, further out, 
because it informs us what to do

459
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:30,700
today. 
And sometimes those things which

460
00:29:30,700 --> 00:29:34,400
you did, they are, I just 
nibbling around the edges, 

461
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:36,100
right? 
You know, small things that are 

462
00:29:36,100 --> 00:29:38,300
just weird. 
That don't really make a whole 

463
00:29:38,300 --> 00:29:40,100
lot of sense. 
Like, when we were doing with 

464
00:29:40,300 --> 00:29:43,900
give safely five years ago. 
When we produce the first 

465
00:29:43,900 --> 00:29:46,000
wireframes, people were like, 
what are you doing? 

466
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:49,700
Well, It's a small investment 
but it helped us get prepared. 

467
00:29:49,700 --> 00:29:53,300
Now, look at blockchain. 
Now look at if you know what's 

468
00:29:53,300 --> 00:29:56,200
going on in the world of 
cryptocurrency and the 

469
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:58,400
Investments that are going in. 
Well, we're ready. 

470
00:29:58,500 --> 00:30:01,200
And now other people are coming 
to us wanting to partner with 

471
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:04,000
what we create. 
It's so it's excited. 

472
00:30:05,300 --> 00:30:09,700
It really is to kind of think 
about the role that thinking 

473
00:30:09,700 --> 00:30:14,900
with that Design Line, set helps
the organization, help Charities

474
00:30:14,900 --> 00:30:18,200
and help give which ultimately 
The equation is to make a 

475
00:30:18,208 --> 00:30:20,800
greater impact. 
No, no around it. 

476
00:30:20,900 --> 00:30:23,500
But Mark, Mark Randall, was 
sharing with me a story the 

477
00:30:23,500 --> 00:30:26,200
other day, talk about impact and
we're going to be sharing these 

478
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:28,400
stories for the remainder of 
this year. 

479
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:34,200
And going forward, he told me 
this story about teaching and a 

480
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:39,400
university and on his first day 
in countering two, professors, 

481
00:30:39,500 --> 00:30:43,700
who had actually won the 
scholarship a few Generations 

482
00:30:43,700 --> 00:30:44,800
ago. 
Mmm. 

483
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:48,100
So we done. 
A lot to talk about the winners 

484
00:30:48,100 --> 00:30:50,000
in that moment. 
But one of the things that we 

485
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:53,500
want to do talk about future 
that this impact in giving today

486
00:30:54,100 --> 00:30:57,400
has on the Next Generation and 
the next generation of leaders. 

487
00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:00,600
And it was kind of this powerful
story of here are the design 

488
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:05,500
Educators who actually won the 
scholarship years ago. 

489
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:09,000
And in this role, I've 
encountered in some of the great

490
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:11,300
conversations and weeding with 
craters around the country. 

491
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:14,800
I've had people call me aside 
and tell me, you know, I won 

492
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:18,900
Studio scholarship, 20 years 
ago, 15 years ago. 

493
00:31:19,700 --> 00:31:23,400
And so thinking about that, 
we've made sure that our focus 

494
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:27,200
is also looking at students 
whose work focuses on social 

495
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:29,600
Environmental, and Cultural 
impact. 

496
00:31:30,500 --> 00:31:33,900
So, kind of refining our Focus. 
Even today to, where do we want 

497
00:31:33,900 --> 00:31:35,300
weird? 
We want to see the impact 10 

498
00:31:35,300 --> 00:31:38,200
years from now. 
How can we help facilitate these

499
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:42,100
Investments as a community in 
the next generation of leaders 

500
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:46,000
and impact makers? 
Well, and I think giving 

501
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:52,100
Designers that orientation to 
look ahead is really important. 

502
00:31:52,300 --> 00:31:56,200
Let's face it. 
We are, you know, you know, how 

503
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:58,400
we used to watch Star Trek years
ago. 

504
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:00,600
I'm sure everyone's heard the 
story, right? 

505
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:04,600
And, you know, when it came out 
as a film, or when it came out 

506
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:08,700
as a show, they had these 
Transporters, these little flip 

507
00:32:08,700 --> 00:32:12,200
phone like things, right? 
And we all thought these things 

508
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:15,900
were so cool. 
And then 20, 30 years later, we 

509
00:32:15,900 --> 00:32:19,400
did it. 
But these, this is what was in 

510
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:24,600
someone's head, someone designed
that thing back then, as in as a

511
00:32:24,608 --> 00:32:29,500
symbol of what was to come. 
So someone had to like look out 

512
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:34,200
to come back and I think 
designers are people we depend 

513
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:38,700
on to help us create that world.
You know? 

514
00:32:38,700 --> 00:32:42,800
It's it's you taking what's in 
our heads and what's in our 

515
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:47,500
minds? 
And giving us a logical 

516
00:32:47,500 --> 00:32:52,000
destination for where something 
might lead, right? 

517
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:55,600
And then bringing us back to 
today to try to get ourselves 

518
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:59,200
ready for it. 
How we can future-proof 

519
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:04,100
ourselves by envisioning things 
that might exist in the future. 

520
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:08,900
Create future posts, personas 
future products products from 

521
00:33:08,900 --> 00:33:11,400
the future, designers can help 
with that. 

522
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:14,600
You can help us take what's in 
our Heads what's in our 

523
00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:19,400
aspirations and bring it back to
us today in a prototypical form 

524
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:23,300
that we can then build off. 
That's the beauty of design. 

525
00:33:23,300 --> 00:33:26,400
I think Benny, hey, I couldn't 
agree more. 

526
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:28,800
You're absolutely right. 
I want to share this with our 

527
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:30,500
audience because it always makes
me smile. 

528
00:33:30,500 --> 00:33:32,400
When I hear you talk about 
design. 

529
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:34,800
For those who may not have dug a
little deeper into the 

530
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:38,300
background art, you started off 
as an accountant. 

531
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:42,000
It's EPA then went back to 
school and became a lawyer. 

532
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:46,900
Then business Executives. 
Then it moved into the nonprofit

533
00:33:46,900 --> 00:33:49,800
space and now a lot of the world
I can say, we talk about is 

534
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:53,900
teaching an engaging people in 
the future talk, a bit about how

535
00:33:53,900 --> 00:33:57,200
you kind of embrace change in 
all of that. 

536
00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:58,900
You've learned. 
And experience really comes 

537
00:33:58,900 --> 00:34:02,300
through you thinking about 
charity, organizations and 

538
00:34:02,300 --> 00:34:06,800
impact and change today. 
Well, for me, I'm just curious 

539
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:12,300
about the world. 
I just believe in continuing to 

540
00:34:12,300 --> 00:34:17,699
learn and To evolve. 
I was one of the people who 

541
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:21,900
didn't quite know what I wanted 
to do when I grew up and I 

542
00:34:21,900 --> 00:34:24,400
looked in the newspaper and I 
saw that all the jobs were in 

543
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:32,800
the county. 
I didn't asking for accounting 

544
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:34,699
but I've been counting became 
the thing. 

545
00:34:34,699 --> 00:34:37,600
I learned a lot as an 
accountant, but I also learned 

546
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:41,300
that they were so many other 
things that I could do with that

547
00:34:41,300 --> 00:34:47,900
knowledge and It so happened 
that I got an opportunity to 

548
00:34:47,900 --> 00:34:51,300
work in a non-profit 
organization and then 

549
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:55,500
ultimately, to lead that 
organization and that sort of 

550
00:34:56,100 --> 00:34:59,500
has been my, my situation really
ever since. 

551
00:34:59,900 --> 00:35:05,000
But, but adding to what I had 
from an experiential standpoint,

552
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:08,700
right in an educational 
standpoint continuing and 

553
00:35:08,700 --> 00:35:13,100
lifelong learning, right? 
And as a leader, I think, It's 

554
00:35:13,100 --> 00:35:17,100
incumbent upon you to continue 
to reinvent yourself, to 

555
00:35:17,100 --> 00:35:21,200
continue to add on, in the 
creat, new information and 

556
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:24,000
insights. 
Because that's what your value 

557
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:26,000
is and you don't really have any
other value. 

558
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:29,700
Nobody really asked me to do 
much at work other than to help 

559
00:35:29,700 --> 00:35:35,400
lead and I have a great team, 
they do things but my job is to 

560
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:41,900
really think and to really 
present insights and ideas and 

561
00:35:41,900 --> 00:35:46,800
to Put them in what they do in 
very unique and creative ways. 

562
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:52,700
So in order to do that, I've got
to be you know getting the most 

563
00:35:52,700 --> 00:35:56,700
out of everything in the world I
have this on amount of how much 

564
00:35:56,700 --> 00:36:01,000
people are in the Facebook but I
love Facebook for one reason 

565
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:05,600
Facebook groups because this 
enabled me to connect with some 

566
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:08,100
really interesting people. 
So one of the things I have on 

567
00:36:08,100 --> 00:36:11,700
Facebook is the space page 
called signals. 

568
00:36:12,900 --> 00:36:15,700
Right. 
And signals, is this group that 

569
00:36:15,700 --> 00:36:20,400
I created where people can come 
on and post weird things that 

570
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:23,200
they're seeing and that's the 
whole purpose of it. 

571
00:36:23,300 --> 00:36:27,000
You see something weird? 
Put it up there, it could be 

572
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:30,300
like a plastic Road and 
experiment with plastic roads or

573
00:36:30,300 --> 00:36:36,800
it could be a flying car or it 
could be something dealing with,

574
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:40,500
you know, a drug, a new drug 
intervention that you're saying 

575
00:36:40,900 --> 00:36:43,900
it could be. 
A statement that someone made it

576
00:36:43,900 --> 00:36:48,300
could be a policy that if it 
were to blow up, could become 

577
00:36:48,300 --> 00:36:50,700
really transformational in our 
society could be a new 

578
00:36:50,700 --> 00:36:54,600
organization, any number of 
things that are just new weird 

579
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:58,400
on the edges. 
We post and seeing one of them 

580
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:01,500
doesn't mean whole lot, but if 
you see two or three of them, 

581
00:37:01,500 --> 00:37:03,800
then you starting to get a feel 
that something's happening, 

582
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:06,600
right? 
So, I asked people to join our 

583
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:09,800
signals page and begin posting 
things because that also 

584
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:13,200
refreshes me, it gets me 
thinking About different things 

585
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:17,200
that I need to be prepared for. 
So that's really my thing been 

586
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:18,300
in. 
And you know what else? 

587
00:37:18,300 --> 00:37:22,000
I love, I love being reversed, 
mentored. 

588
00:37:22,500 --> 00:37:25,900
I'd like to you, I'm sure you 
get lots of people coming to you

589
00:37:25,900 --> 00:37:28,900
saying, you know, I would like 
you for you to be my mentor. 

590
00:37:28,900 --> 00:37:32,300
Or can we talk? 
And I love that but I tell them.

591
00:37:32,300 --> 00:37:35,100
It's a two-way street, you know,
don't just expect it. 

592
00:37:35,100 --> 00:37:37,600
I'm going to be mentoring you, I
want you to Mentor me. 

593
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:40,800
I want to know what's going on 
and in spaces where I might be 

594
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:43,400
blind a little bit. 
So So I think the reverse 

595
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:46,300
mentoring concept is really 
important, especially in a world

596
00:37:46,300 --> 00:37:50,300
that's moving as fast as arcs. 
We gotta continue to reinvent, 

597
00:37:50,300 --> 00:37:52,500
Regatta, continue to learn and 
we got to continue to 

598
00:37:52,500 --> 00:37:56,000
experiment. 
Try different things in order to

599
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:59,300
make our lives fulfilling and 
meaningful and accomplish the 

600
00:37:59,300 --> 00:38:00,900
objectives that are important to
us. 

601
00:38:01,700 --> 00:38:06,000
But I'll ask this question for 
you as we kind of round out, but

602
00:38:06,100 --> 00:38:08,100
what are you excited about for 
2022? 

603
00:38:09,700 --> 00:38:14,100
Well, I'll tell you. 
This will give you an idea. 

604
00:38:14,100 --> 00:38:20,100
I'm excited as we end 2021 
because it's a precursor. 

605
00:38:20,100 --> 00:38:25,400
I think for 2022, our family is 
getting together again for 

606
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:29,700
Thanksgiving and we didn't do it
last year, right? 

607
00:38:29,700 --> 00:38:37,800
So that to me is a big symbol 
for what to expect, I hope in 

608
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:45,100
2022, what I'm most Optimistic 
about is that maybe we'll be 

609
00:38:45,100 --> 00:38:51,600
able to better understand the 
limitations of virtual life 

610
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:57,500
praying, but also add into that 
the limitations may be for the 

611
00:38:57,500 --> 00:39:00,700
things that we got from virtual 
life that we can add oil heat 

612
00:39:00,700 --> 00:39:06,200
you life outside of virtual a 
new creative thing that we did 

613
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:09,100
Ben and I'm really looking 
forward to seeing how this works

614
00:39:09,100 --> 00:39:13,200
in 2022. 
We added on to Give safely the 

615
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:20,100
acquisition of some some 
property in a virtual Universe, 

616
00:39:20,500 --> 00:39:21,600
okay? 
Or 20. 

617
00:39:22,700 --> 00:39:26,300
So we now have give safely on 
crypto voxels, which is a 

618
00:39:26,308 --> 00:39:30,400
virtual world where people are 
acquiring property and posting 

619
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:35,600
events and I'm really looking 
forward to how we can meet 

620
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:39,800
someday, virtually what in a in 
a virtual world. 

621
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:45,600
Not just, you know, with our 
digital analog, so to speak and 

622
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:52,800
with our digital beings and this
is also, I think a great 

623
00:39:52,900 --> 00:39:58,100
opportunity for designers 
because the virtual world is one

624
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:02,800
that we have entire control over
how it gets designed, and how 

625
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:07,200
its implemented, and how, it's 
How it it operates, the values 

626
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:12,800
and so forth, designers should 
be all over the Virtual world. 

627
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:15,500
The metal world as is as we've 
heard, right. 

628
00:40:15,500 --> 00:40:20,800
The meadow World designer should
be all over that because it's so

629
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:25,200
exciting because it's literally 
starting we're starting from a 

630
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:28,900
whole new frontier of how we 
engage and interact with each 

631
00:40:28,900 --> 00:40:31,400
other. 
So that's going to be exciting 

632
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:35,400
and, you know, I'm a family 
person so I'm really looking 

633
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:39,200
forward to spending more time. 
Now with my grandchildren and 

634
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:44,500
looking for things that we can 
do, At give dot org and all the 

635
00:40:44,500 --> 00:40:48,900
other organizations that I'm 
affiliated with including aiga 

636
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:53,100
to deliver huge value for the 
citizens of the country in the 

637
00:40:53,108 --> 00:40:56,600
world. 
Well, I can't think of a better 

638
00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:59,200
way to end. 
Then how will begin with the 

639
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:02,800
statement of gratitude? 
So I am thankful art and 

640
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:05,300
thankful for all you listening. 
I hope you enjoyed our 

641
00:41:05,700 --> 00:41:08,000
conversation today. 
I told you will be unexpected, 

642
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:11,800
we talked about giving and 
crypto and met a universe. 

643
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:14,000
How we can come and do work 
together. 

644
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:15,700
So art is going to be invited 
back. 

645
00:41:15,700 --> 00:41:17,900
We're going to we're going to 
have this conversation again 

646
00:41:17,900 --> 00:41:20,200
next year at this time. 
Alright, so we can continue to 

647
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:24,200
explore the ways in which design
in the charity sector can work 

648
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:27,200
together. 
So, thank you for spending this 

649
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:35,200
time with us with CPA and 
lawyer, Transformer, wise Giver 

650
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:39,100
incredible collaborator 
futurists and dear friend of 

651
00:41:39,100 --> 00:41:41,800
design art. 
Taylor, always enjoy. 

652
00:41:41,900 --> 00:41:46,400
It always enjoy being with you. 
Well with that, we wish everyone

653
00:41:46,700 --> 00:41:50,200
a wonderful beginning to a 
season of gratitude with family 

654
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:53,500
and friends and we encourage you
in your own way to have an 

655
00:41:53,500 --> 00:41:58,300
impact this, giving Tuesday and 
visit give dot-org and support 

656
00:41:58,300 --> 00:42:00,500
aiga as World Studio 
scholarships. 

657
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:03,100
Thank you so much. 
All right, thank you. 

658
00:42:03,100 --> 00:42:03,400
All