1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,640 Body chop sleep. So I like sleep like this and 2 00:00:02,640 --> 00:00:05,240 what I found is tucking. No Lyman if you have like a 3 00:00:05,240 --> 00:00:09,240 short sleeve shirt on for sleep. Yeah, if I grab my sleeve and I 4 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:13,080 put my arm in the shirt, it actually is super comfortable, 5 00:00:13,080 --> 00:00:15,320 like a child put in. Their it is cozy. 6 00:00:15,520 --> 00:00:17,440 And it holds. You're being embraced. 7 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:19,760 Yeah, 'cause like when I go to sleep I wish one arm wasn't 8 00:00:19,760 --> 00:00:21,960 connected 'cause I'm like dude, this fucking arm is useless 9 00:00:21,960 --> 00:00:24,000 'cause I put one under my under my head. 10 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:27,640 But I do have a tendency to sleep splayed weird like I'll 11 00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:32,119 sleep with I'll sleep like this and then wake up in my yeah, my 12 00:00:32,119 --> 00:00:34,560 arm certainly Sup everybody that's scared with ACG and I'm 13 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:38,960 here with Johnny for the best gaming podcast #591 we're going 14 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:43,480 to be talking about, well, actually some big news that 15 00:00:43,480 --> 00:00:47,320 popped in the last couple. What last day or so, right? 16 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:52,440 Last day was Bungie. There's Bungie, there's state of 17 00:00:52,440 --> 00:00:58,600 play, there's Xbox for some reason asking everybody how to 18 00:00:58,600 --> 00:01:01,520 lead them, which is already making me nervous. 19 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:04,560 I don't want I don't dude, sorry. 20 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:08,000 Let me let me. Do you seriously think a survey 21 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:11,360 to fans should run a company? Like when they ask what do you 22 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:12,880 guys want from Xbox? Terrible. 23 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:17,120 I do. Good games, good games and, and 24 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:19,880 hopefully those games do well. That's 'cause they're not always 25 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:21,360 going to do well. The good games not always going 26 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:23,440 to do well. But I don't want to because it's 27 00:01:23,440 --> 00:01:26,040 weird. It's like it's if you ask, OK, 28 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:31,520 so you either need us to tell you which is you're incompetent 29 00:01:31,520 --> 00:01:36,400 as shit, or it's fake. I mean, because the people 30 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:40,000 you're talking to are on Twitter and stuff like that's not the 31 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:41,480 majority of people that you sell. 32 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:45,040 To my hope is that it's fake. That's like performative. 33 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:47,200 Performative. Like those glint surveys. 34 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:49,680 Like, yeah, we heard you. Yep, Yep. 35 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:53,360 Or like a self, a self eval or like a leader eval. 36 00:01:53,440 --> 00:01:55,080 You're like, yeah, we know where this is going. 37 00:01:55,120 --> 00:01:57,480 'Cause we don't know what we want, you know? 38 00:01:57,720 --> 00:02:01,680 I mean, we like to think we do, but then, yeah, we don't know. 39 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:03,080 Yeah, and I. Don't want to? 40 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:04,760 Run a multi. We're not directors. 41 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:06,920 If I did, you know what? You know what had happened, I'd 42 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:10,400 fucking go to work for a multinational corporation and 43 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:11,440 try to run it. I wouldn't. 44 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:13,800 I don't it Yeah, dude, it's weird. 45 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:16,200 It's weird not to dis on them. Hey, it's cool people. 46 00:02:16,240 --> 00:02:19,520 I mean, I, I'll, I'll tell you what, the stuff that I've been 47 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:24,360 seeing all the time from them definitely doesn't put more 48 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:27,040 confidence in it. So far, I haven't seen a, a 49 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:29,560 single thing that's made me more confident, but I haven't seen a 50 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:31,120 single thing that's made me less confident. 51 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:33,520 What I've seen is a company doing the same thing that's 52 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:37,440 happened for the last 150 years, which is when ACEO takes over. 53 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:40,600 They just sort of, you know, they're just in things, they're 54 00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:44,120 doing their own stuff. And pretty much nothing you see 55 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:49,000 right there is the way it's going to be, you know, in the 56 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:50,560 future. You're being asked about your 57 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:52,200 camera. I don't know what he's talking. 58 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:55,520 About yeah, trying a new lens out just a lens yeah people tell 59 00:02:55,520 --> 00:02:57,720 us in the comments is it is it terrible? 60 00:02:57,720 --> 00:02:59,840 Is it better I? Mean dude, it's identical. 61 00:02:59,920 --> 00:03:00,600 It's. We're. 62 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:03,240 Literally identical. It's wider, but I mean it's 63 00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:05,200 identical. It's not like what if you did 64 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:06,200 turn it on though. And you? 65 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:07,840 Find out. You're breaking my heart dude. 66 00:03:08,440 --> 00:03:13,400 I spent like an hour testing this and putting it at like, OK, 67 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:15,480 it's a new angle. Dude, do you know what you 68 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:17,720 should want from technical stuff on a stream? 69 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:22,240 For it to not be worse 'cause cause yours is pretty high level 70 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:25,080 so the fact that I'm not saying it's worse is. 71 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:28,400 I'll take that then, yeah. It's literally the same picture, 72 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:30,920 it's just a little wider. That's that's what you would 73 00:03:30,920 --> 00:03:33,000 want, right? You know that meme from the 74 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:34,680 office? It's the same picture. 75 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:36,760 Oh. Yeah, yeah, I that's. 76 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:38,200 They're the same picture. That's. 77 00:03:38,200 --> 00:03:40,280 The one meme I do know from the office, yeah, it looks 78 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:42,840 identical. I'm not going to glaze you up, 79 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:45,320 dude. I'm not like, that's that. 80 00:03:45,320 --> 00:03:46,520 You know me, man. That's not me. 81 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:47,800 Let other people glaze you up, man. 82 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:51,520 Let you glaze them up. They can glaze you up. 83 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:54,960 Whatever happens behind closed doors, you know, it's fine. 84 00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:57,360 Yeah. But no, seriously, we do have 85 00:03:57,360 --> 00:03:59,960 some really good. We got some, We got some good, 86 00:03:59,960 --> 00:04:02,200 like, overall stuff to talk about. 87 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:06,120 I think the you know. Go on that point real quick. 88 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:10,200 Yeah, 'cause you touched on the like, nothing's changed on Xbox. 89 00:04:10,680 --> 00:04:14,520 But actually the response has been overwhelmingly positive 90 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:18,680 from all the every, I've seen so many videos from all the usual 91 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:21,760 Youtubers. You know, the response is, well, 92 00:04:21,760 --> 00:04:26,920 it is actually a glaze towards, you know, the new leadership and 93 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:30,360 everything they've been doing. And I, I, I don't know if I'm 94 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:33,640 missing something, but it hasn't been that big, you know, it's 95 00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:36,520 been smaller changes, you know, like it's the logo. 96 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:39,120 It's no, you're focusing on games. 97 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:41,680 Yeah, yeah, they've, they've fooled people for sure. 98 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:43,640 I mean, there's nobody who's doing a video. 99 00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:45,640 It's a bit of APR. Of course it is. 100 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:47,480 Yeah, yeah, of course. Perception, yeah, yeah. 101 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:48,960 It. I think a lot of people are 102 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:51,040 doing videos because there's no big games coming out right now. 103 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:53,400 Forza is already done. So it's like, do a video on what 104 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:56,920 Xbox is saying, you know, I mean, and let's be honest, for 105 00:04:56,920 --> 00:05:01,400 many people, Xbox fans, Xbox PlayStation podcasts, console 106 00:05:01,400 --> 00:05:05,240 war podcasts, this is what they need to stay relevant. 107 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:07,360 So like they're going to feed into it too. 108 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:10,880 And then you might also just have I, I think it's a little 109 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:12,760 weird if you're above the age of like 17. 110 00:05:12,760 --> 00:05:15,960 I don't think most people are super console, true super 111 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:17,280 console warriors. I think a lot of it's 112 00:05:17,280 --> 00:05:19,480 performative now, but yeah. I think so I. 113 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:22,760 Mean that that kind of that kind of answer is normal and that 114 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:25,400 kind of response is normal. And you, you know it and I know 115 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:28,400 it. Just watch Rory take the piss 116 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:30,280 out of people. He's like, humans are easily 117 00:05:30,280 --> 00:05:33,000 fooled. I mean, we are easily fooled. 118 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:34,480 There's a reason. Why you could go? 119 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:37,040 Back to spouses who bang somebody else 'cause we are 120 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:39,000 easily fooled. Oh, dude. 121 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:41,440 Oh yeah, we're so we want to believe. 122 00:05:41,880 --> 00:05:43,360 You do. You wanna believe? 123 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:44,240 Yeah. You wanna believe? 124 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:47,760 Yep. I love that we've cultivated our 125 00:05:47,760 --> 00:05:49,480 audience move. Yeah. 126 00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:52,920 Good one. Yeah, that's a song, actually. 127 00:05:53,080 --> 00:05:55,160 I continued. OK, sorry. 128 00:05:55,160 --> 00:05:57,200 She can hit that just. Yeah. 129 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:00,200 The vibrato, yeah. And then? 130 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:02,840 And then her Roboto, you know, she does a lot of post 131 00:06:02,840 --> 00:06:06,600 processing, but I love, I mean, she's 80 fucking 100 years old. 132 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:09,960 So a little bit of auto tune isn't going to isn't going to 133 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:13,200 kill Cher, but yeah. I was just going to say I love 134 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:16,560 that we've cultivated our audience to know who Rory 135 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:18,320 Sutherland is. Oh yeah. 136 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:22,400 In such a way that we can just say Rory for short and everybody 137 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:25,360 knows instantly. Yeah, yeah, actually, I had some 138 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:27,960 people leave. Well, I don't know, that's not 139 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:32,280 the right way to frame this. I had some people start watching 140 00:06:32,280 --> 00:06:34,880 our podcast who were watching another one that was doing a 141 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:37,520 bunch and you know, like the typical numbers thing. 142 00:06:37,840 --> 00:06:41,200 And then when they when they contacted me, I was like, well, 143 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:42,680 hey man, I really appreciate it. What? 144 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:44,920 Because I like to occasionally ask like, what caused you to do 145 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:46,600 it? And they're like, because I 146 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:49,160 started to see some of the stuff you were talking about, which is 147 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:52,520 just like how easily fooled it is or how the podcasts are just 148 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:55,280 like, let's read numbers to appear like we know those 149 00:06:55,280 --> 00:06:58,080 numbers statistically. It's why we, it's why whenever 150 00:06:58,080 --> 00:07:00,280 I'm reading numbers, I always try to like look into the data 151 00:07:00,280 --> 00:07:02,920 'cause you can screw some shit up pretty quickly by just 152 00:07:02,920 --> 00:07:06,800 reading a number and being like 20% of all percentages are fake. 153 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:09,560 And you're like, wait a minute. Yeah, sometimes you just read 154 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:13,120 the title and it's deceiving, and then you say that as if 155 00:07:13,120 --> 00:07:16,840 that's the fact, but you know. Yeah, we're going to be fact 156 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:19,240 based or fact based as we continue. 157 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:21,920 Like, especially last three or four years, I was just like, oh, 158 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:23,840 right. I think this, I think it makes 159 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:26,400 more sense, especially as games get more expensive. 160 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:28,600 We're going to have to break things down even more. 161 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:30,880 You know, I saw some people saying they weren't getting Bond 162 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:32,600 and weren't getting Lego because they were 70. 163 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:35,400 Now, I don't know if 70 is a true breaking point for me. 164 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:37,480 It means I save up an extra 10 bucks. 165 00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:41,400 You know, maybe I saved for one week longer. 166 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:48,920 Yeah, but it is when you add 3 or 4 at 70 bucks now you've got 167 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:51,560 another game you could have bought that you can't buy, you 168 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:53,440 know what I mean? And then it and then for from 169 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:55,480 that point on, it's progressively, you're always 170 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:57,360 progressively behind. So. 171 00:07:57,360 --> 00:08:01,200 And it's that psychology thing where the 1st digit is higher, 172 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:03,920 so it kind of makes you think differently about it. 173 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:07,440 Yep, Yep, absolutely. Let's talk about Bungie though. 174 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:10,200 So Bungie announced yesterday they did a big thing. 175 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:13,680 They're like, it's time to begin, which is weird timing 176 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:16,400 because they prior to that on the side podcast, I talked about 177 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:19,680 some of the stuff I had heard, which was that there was going 178 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:22,240 to be some big changes and they they happen the very next day. 179 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:25,520 So here we are. We got we got them basically 180 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:29,120 saying we're deciding to move forward journey on from Destiny. 181 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:31,080 They did meander around what they said. 182 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:34,799 They said it's a new journey, but Destiny and the the world of 183 00:08:34,799 --> 00:08:41,559 Destiny lives needs to live beyond Destiny 1 and 2, which 184 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:44,920 could mean, you know, I've heard people for the last couple 185 00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:47,360 months be like, hey, do they sell the destiny property to 186 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:51,040 somebody like they sold Halo? They absolutely could, right? 187 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:55,160 Like I don't think people realize you could sell, you 188 00:08:55,160 --> 00:08:57,840 could see them sell the debt, you know, Sony and them just 189 00:08:57,840 --> 00:09:00,000 come together and be like, or you can see them leave like 190 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:02,320 they've left every other company once the company figures out how 191 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:05,040 bad they are. So could be any would. 192 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:08,040 You hate that. If they decided to just kind of 193 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:10,360 move that or sell that, pass that on. 194 00:09:10,560 --> 00:09:12,600 I like destiny, men. I like destiny. 195 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:15,440 I mean, I yeah, yeah, I. Think yeah, the bones are great. 196 00:09:15,520 --> 00:09:19,760 I'm teasing when I say, you know that I don't mean any of the 197 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:21,200 workers. I mean their leadership 198 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:25,200 obviously has had issues. So if, if the if, if they can 199 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:27,240 figure out a way to have a Destiny game. 200 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:31,080 There's been rumors of other, I'll just say game types that 201 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:34,520 aren't the shooter or aren't what we see as, you know, 202 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:36,920 service. Service game shooters. 203 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:38,280 Yeah, I would. Yeah. 204 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:40,160 I'd be all for it. I'd be, dude. 205 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:43,640 As long as they stay employed #1 which I'm assuming Sony's going 206 00:09:43,640 --> 00:09:49,160 to absorb some. Sony's in pretty dire shape 207 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:52,560 because of their service game situation where they had all the 208 00:09:52,560 --> 00:09:54,880 service games planned and now they've got some planned, but 209 00:09:54,880 --> 00:09:57,480 some aren't. So hey, if you need the bungee 210 00:09:57,480 --> 00:10:01,960 staff to help you like they wanted originally, that would be 211 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:04,920 great too to help some of these companies get their games done a 212 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:08,520 little quicker or have their games be better not. 213 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:12,040 Saying that, do you think the the consoles selling lower now 214 00:10:12,520 --> 00:10:15,720 is a big hit to their bottom line or is that just kind of a 215 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:19,800 side income compared to games and everything else? 216 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:23,080 Well, we'll talk about it during the State of play, but there's 217 00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:25,720 definitely some pretty big rumors about this state of play. 218 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:31,000 And it seems like, you know how sometimes somebody will run 4 219 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:34,880 laps and on that third lap they sort of that last maybe 4th, 4th 220 00:10:34,880 --> 00:10:36,440 of the lap. In the third lap they're a 221 00:10:36,440 --> 00:10:38,600 little slower and then they burst it for the last lap. 222 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:43,720 It does feel like Sony is bursting towards Agta 6 launch 223 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:48,080 and and rumor is they got the P. Saving a Sprint. 224 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:50,400 Yeah, rumor is they got the publishing deal. 225 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:53,240 Like not the publishing deal, the PR deal to basically say 226 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:55,640 it's on our system. I don't think Microsoft would 227 00:10:55,640 --> 00:10:58,320 have even bid for it because why? 228 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:01,760 Yeah. We'll have to see. 229 00:11:01,760 --> 00:11:03,520 Make sense? I have a feeling this state. 230 00:11:03,520 --> 00:11:04,960 Of play is going to have GTA in it. 231 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:08,000 Which would be, That would be huge, Yeah, yeah. 232 00:11:08,280 --> 00:11:11,480 Well, they've stated in their videos this is on the PS-5. 233 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:15,560 You know, this is running on a real PS-5 dev kit, a real PS-5 234 00:11:15,560 --> 00:11:18,000 hardware a couple times. So it's like, I think at the 235 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:21,360 bottom they said that one time. So you're like, hmm, they didn't 236 00:11:21,360 --> 00:11:25,400 say XY series S or sorry, series XI would do the opposite. 237 00:11:25,680 --> 00:11:27,200 I would show them the lowest level. 238 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:30,680 If it was me, I'd be like, you know how good GTA is going to 239 00:11:30,680 --> 00:11:34,720 motherfucking look. This is GTA on the series S Show 240 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:39,120 them be like this is this is on or the lowest common denominator 241 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:40,800 of all the next Gen. systems right now. 242 00:11:40,800 --> 00:11:42,720 Look at that. That's how good this game is 243 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:44,760 going to look and then you show them the next ones. 244 00:11:44,760 --> 00:11:46,680 But. That shows confidence, yeah. 245 00:11:46,840 --> 00:11:48,040 Oh, dude, yeah. And they should be. 246 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:51,960 But anyway, so Bungie, yeah, they stated that this journey is 247 00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:53,760 going to continue forward, blah blah blah. 248 00:11:55,680 --> 00:11:58,280 And for some reason you're being asked about your clothing now. 249 00:11:58,280 --> 00:12:00,800 I've no clue what's going on to this is getting creepy. 250 00:12:00,800 --> 00:12:03,680 Out of shit. This is like some inside jokes 251 00:12:03,680 --> 00:12:07,000 where like people tell me I'm wearing the same the same shirt. 252 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:14,200 Is that the same face, Johnny? But but back to games anyway. 253 00:12:14,400 --> 00:12:17,120 So yeah. So this is going on with them. 254 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:22,440 I don't know, I don't know what you think, but I'd love to see a 255 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:26,480 Destiny three. I would love to see a Destiny 3. 256 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:30,120 And I hope what they meant was, was it in the that they're 257 00:12:30,120 --> 00:12:32,720 working on coming up with some ideas. 258 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:39,680 But then I was told when I was talking about it in our that 259 00:12:39,880 --> 00:12:42,800 there wasn't too many. And this was last week that 260 00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:47,000 there wasn't really anything 3 being worked on. 261 00:12:47,400 --> 00:12:51,640 And now it seems like that rumor has been once again backed up by 262 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:56,680 Jason, who said somewhat of the same thing was that there's been 263 00:12:56,680 --> 00:13:00,880 a lot of game pitches but none have caught on and that there's 264 00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:03,440 some layoffs planned. And if that's true, that's even 265 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:05,640 worse, right? That's. 266 00:13:05,880 --> 00:13:10,120 Because that. Means today if they started 267 00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:14,440 working, you're talking four years from now, five years for a 268 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:18,680 new destiny for destiny three that's five years of making sure 269 00:13:18,680 --> 00:13:24,760 your company has no problems five years of the industry's RAM 270 00:13:24,760 --> 00:13:28,040 situation five years of consoles maybe not selling you know what 271 00:13:28,040 --> 00:13:29,960 I mean there's a. Lot there. 272 00:13:30,160 --> 00:13:32,240 What's up, Eternal? I'd prefer Bungie to do 273 00:13:32,240 --> 00:13:33,760 something less live service, more meeting. 274 00:13:33,760 --> 00:13:36,200 Yeah, Yeah, I think a lot of people are thinking that, like, 275 00:13:36,680 --> 00:13:39,960 what if you do a Bungie? Listen, bear with me when I say 276 00:13:39,960 --> 00:13:44,760 this, but imagine a Call of Duty without the multiplayer that was 277 00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:47,200 a Bungie destiny. What I mean by that is just a 278 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:52,480 campaign almost Halo like. But instead of doing the other 279 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:57,000 things, all this other stuff just being like, boom, here's 280 00:13:57,360 --> 00:14:04,560 here's here is Destiny like in the Halo Call of Duty format, 281 00:14:04,560 --> 00:14:07,440 which is, you know, your multiple levels, your maybe 8 282 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:12,960 hour, 10 hour campaign with a story that's meaty, not stolen 283 00:14:12,960 --> 00:14:16,200 from another author, that's like real, that's yours and you 284 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:17,840 reset. I don't know if Bungie and 285 00:14:17,840 --> 00:14:20,080 Destiny can reset though, because I don't know if the 286 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:23,040 fiction. It's almost like those worlds 287 00:14:23,040 --> 00:14:26,720 where the hero is so big that any other hero is a loser, you 288 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:28,400 know? And. 289 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:30,080 We're we're sort of stuck with that. 290 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:34,040 I want to let the optimist in me wants to believe that people 291 00:14:34,040 --> 00:14:40,160 like a comeback story and that it would be, people would, would 292 00:14:40,160 --> 00:14:44,120 buy into that if they said, you know what, yeah, we, we know we 293 00:14:44,120 --> 00:14:46,840 messed up in the, in, like here and there. 294 00:14:46,840 --> 00:14:50,120 And we, we've learned from that. We're going for a fresh start. 295 00:14:50,680 --> 00:14:53,600 Here's the approach. Here's the idea. 296 00:14:53,920 --> 00:14:59,240 Destiny 3 and it's brand new, maybe doesn't even connect, you 297 00:14:59,240 --> 00:15:00,560 know, with the story or whatever. 298 00:15:00,560 --> 00:15:02,840 It's just like a new thing. Yeah. 299 00:15:03,160 --> 00:15:07,000 Anti Sky SEK 27. What did we figure out SEK was? 300 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:10,560 Was that Thai? That is Swedish Swedish bucks. 301 00:15:10,760 --> 00:15:14,160 Swedish bucks, Swedish bucks. Thanks for the 27 Swedish bucks. 302 00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:16,720 Hope you're doing well. Yeah, official Swedish bucks 303 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:21,560 coming in. Yeah, man, you know, it's I 304 00:15:21,560 --> 00:15:23,400 mean, it's about time. I think everybody thought this 305 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:26,640 was sort of the thing, right, That they were probably that not 306 00:15:26,640 --> 00:15:28,640 much would seem to be going on so. 307 00:15:29,480 --> 00:15:34,240 Yeah, Bloomberg mentioned, yeah, exactly because what I'm just 308 00:15:34,360 --> 00:15:37,320 saying, Bloomberg reported Bungie was planning on 309 00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:40,600 significant layoffs at the studio there. 310 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:44,040 We don't know what that's going to mean or if may, like you 311 00:15:44,040 --> 00:15:47,880 said, maybe some some of it will be absorbed by Sony. 312 00:15:47,880 --> 00:15:50,000 So like it. It looks like a layoff from 313 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:53,520 Bungie standpoint, but maybe it's people moving into other 314 00:15:53,520 --> 00:15:56,080 studios. Yeah, yeah. 315 00:15:56,320 --> 00:15:59,880 Maybe that I'm, I'm hoping that could be the case, but yeah, it 316 00:15:59,880 --> 00:16:02,280 sucks to see. I it makes sense though, right? 317 00:16:02,280 --> 00:16:05,760 I mean, they're ending that project, even if they're 318 00:16:05,760 --> 00:16:10,200 starting a new one Makes sense. They perhaps can't operate with 319 00:16:10,200 --> 00:16:13,720 the full footprint they had before. 320 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:18,600 Maybe they also shrink up but put some people on marathon and 321 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:20,920 try to cause marathon. Definitely. 322 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:23,600 I mean, it's a. Game could. 323 00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:27,720 Use some people there, Yeah, to get to get output at a higher 324 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:30,680 level and to get a reason for people to stick with it when 325 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:33,640 right now service games are tough, you know, tough. 326 00:16:33,640 --> 00:16:35,680 Stuff. It's possible they'll become a 327 00:16:35,680 --> 00:16:37,480 support. Yeah, support would be, you 328 00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:39,160 know, but I have not heard support. 329 00:16:39,160 --> 00:16:43,040 What I did here and it is now backing, it's continually being 330 00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:48,080 backed up, is that it's not support, it's it's movement and 331 00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:52,760 some stuff to do with them pushing new games as well as 332 00:16:52,760 --> 00:16:54,560 possibly some smaller Destiny stuff. 333 00:16:55,040 --> 00:16:59,120 Craig Hawk, 1010 LB Super chat. Happy weekend, everybody. 334 00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:01,240 Yeah, dude, isn't it awesome? It's a weekend. 335 00:17:01,240 --> 00:17:02,880 I was talking to Johnny about this prior, man. 336 00:17:03,320 --> 00:17:07,760 Like lately, weekends, weeks have been going fast. 337 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:09,720 This one was, yes, one was weird. 338 00:17:09,720 --> 00:17:12,560 This one was bumpy. This was a bumpy week. 339 00:17:13,440 --> 00:17:16,079 Not in a bad way, just, well, yeah, sort of a bad way, man. 340 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:18,760 Like just, I don't know, it's been a weird one. 341 00:17:19,240 --> 00:17:23,319 Like almost every games leaked. Bond leaked onto store shelves 342 00:17:23,319 --> 00:17:25,280 last night. So people were playing Bond. 343 00:17:25,599 --> 00:17:28,680 I believe you can only play the first level before it needs to 344 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:30,600 download, but the physical disc is out there. 345 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:34,920 And then Lego leaked and then what was the other one that 346 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:37,560 leaked did for? No, not Forza. 347 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:39,600 There was another one that leaked. 348 00:17:40,520 --> 00:17:42,960 It's like a bunch of games are leaking, which makes content 349 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:44,560 creation a little bit more difficult. 350 00:17:44,600 --> 00:17:47,120 It's been a it's been a odd one, man. 351 00:17:47,360 --> 00:17:49,120 Oh and then did you hear about Valorant? 352 00:17:49,520 --> 00:17:51,280 Did you hear the news about Valorant? 353 00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:53,280 Is it? Let me make sure this is 354 00:17:53,280 --> 00:17:56,680 Valorant dude, pretty crazy news. 355 00:17:56,680 --> 00:18:00,600 Let me give me one second. So this came in on the gaming 356 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:06,720 games. OK, thankfully I didn't open the 357 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:10,200 show with this, but basically the original story this morning 358 00:18:10,200 --> 00:18:13,000 is Valorant's new Vanguard update seems to be bricking 359 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:18,680 cheaters PCs Riot's response was Congrats on your 60 or $6000 360 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:21,400 paperweights which I thought was awesome. 361 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:27,800 Wow. So the thing here's here's what 362 00:18:27,800 --> 00:18:32,000 people are saying, here's the sort of the update Vanguard 363 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:37,400 isn't isn't bricking PCs. There's a $6000 DMA card that 364 00:18:37,400 --> 00:18:39,200 cheaters are using to try to get around it. 365 00:18:39,680 --> 00:18:42,160 Yes, and this person says yes. Cheating has gotten to the point 366 00:18:42,160 --> 00:18:44,000 where cheaters are buying hardware that costs thousands of 367 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:47,320 dollars. What's happening is a built in 368 00:18:47,320 --> 00:18:49,800 Windows security features being triggered which prevents the 369 00:18:49,800 --> 00:18:51,520 device from being used for cheating. 370 00:18:51,760 --> 00:18:55,360 Any instances of PCs bricking seems to be caused by Windows 371 00:18:55,360 --> 00:18:58,200 and the card having issues as that talking goes back and 372 00:18:58,200 --> 00:18:59,480 forth. Yeah. 373 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:06,720 And the $6000 paperweight line is actually them Valorance devs 374 00:19:06,720 --> 00:19:14,400 stating your $6000 DMA card is now bad and good luck on your 375 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:16,080 paperweight. So they so it's not like. 376 00:19:16,120 --> 00:19:18,600 On Gamers. An average homie. 377 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:20,560 It's not just trying to have a good time. 378 00:19:20,560 --> 00:19:23,480 Yeah. And like boom, your PC is gone. 379 00:19:23,720 --> 00:19:25,160 I'm glad. I'm glad they cleared that up 380 00:19:25,160 --> 00:19:28,280 because I was like, hey, listen, I love the idea of smashing 381 00:19:28,280 --> 00:19:32,160 somebody, but I don't like the idea of smashing somebody's PC 382 00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:34,360 you. Know and and let's be honest, 383 00:19:34,360 --> 00:19:38,600 Vanguard has a lot of issues people get blue screens they it 384 00:19:38,600 --> 00:19:41,760 it boots with your computer in such a way that yeah it's. 385 00:19:42,040 --> 00:19:44,640 A full. It's a it's full root. 386 00:19:45,040 --> 00:19:48,960 You know like if that if if in the middle of a game it let's 387 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:51,440 say it crashes. The only way to bring it back up 388 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:55,520 is to restart your PC. Like that thing is like an alien 389 00:19:55,840 --> 00:20:01,080 directly inserted into. Your system. 390 00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:02,920 Did you see? But it works. 391 00:20:03,520 --> 00:20:06,560 Yeah, dude, people are using, people are turning their 392 00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:10,520 hypervisor off in Windows to to run some of these hacked games 393 00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:13,720 too. And I'm like in this day and age 394 00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:18,120 when a script Kitty who was also into video games can read that 395 00:20:18,120 --> 00:20:22,320 you're turning your hypervisor off and is just writing scripts 396 00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:24,280 consistently to attack stuff like that. 397 00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:26,600 Like of. All things in the world. 60 398 00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:31,200 bucks, 120 bucks you save is not going to be worth you losing 399 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:33,600 your identity because if that let's say somebody gets into 400 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:35,880 your system or something. Let's say let's ignore 401 00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:39,400 ransomware, which is scary. Let's say just into your system. 402 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:42,920 If your identity gets stolen, that's forever. 403 00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:46,480 Even if they fix it, it's literally, we have people in our 404 00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:50,240 Discord who have had their identity stolen and it comes up 405 00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:53,720 five years later, six years later when they apply for stuff. 406 00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:57,720 It is a game changer when it comes to applying for homes, 407 00:20:57,920 --> 00:21:00,480 cars, proven who you are, blah, blah, blah. 408 00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:03,760 The idea of going in and just being like, yeah, I'm going to 409 00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:07,560 turn off the major system that's there for, you know, for, like, 410 00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:12,160 Windows being not hacked is crazy, man. 411 00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:14,040 I don't know of any game that's worth that. 412 00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:17,120 Maybe an Advent Rising too. Maybe for Advent Rising too. 413 00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:19,600 I'd do it, you know, maybe. It is crazy. 414 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:23,360 People are going to these lengths like buying hardware of 415 00:21:23,360 --> 00:21:28,160 this cost to get around that. Yeah. 416 00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:31,440 And it might be like farming accounts and that type of stuff, 417 00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:35,640 you know, because there's a huge market for selling accounts. 418 00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:39,440 And account names or whatever. Yeah, I'm surprised Valorants 419 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:41,320 DRM doesn't check that. And go. 420 00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:45,880 This name was created on this hardware certificate and then 421 00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:48,640 you can't like you know you were in. 422 00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:51,040 Yeah, they they don't link your account you're. 423 00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:53,760 In Sweden and so therefore it's no longer valid. 424 00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:56,480 Yeah, yeah. Interestingly enough, they don't 425 00:21:56,480 --> 00:21:59,080 do any of those checks. The only thing is the e-mail 426 00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:02,880 link, so then you could just link it to a different e-mail. 427 00:22:03,120 --> 00:22:06,480 They have some ways right to kind of find it and then find 428 00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:08,560 linked accounts and stuff. But yeah. 429 00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:11,520 Yeah. Oh, somebody new. 430 00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:12,760 Yeah. Cult of the Lambini. 431 00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:15,680 Yeah, I love this thing. Oh yeah, nice. 432 00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:17,880 Creeps people out when you're walking around town with it 433 00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:19,760 though. Like I don't know, is that your 434 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:23,280 chakra, your third eye showing? I I only have one third eye and 435 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:25,000 that's my brown eye. If you're seeing that one, 436 00:22:25,120 --> 00:22:27,560 you're a proctologist. Moving on from there. 437 00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:30,560 Moving on from that gross sentence, let's discuss. 438 00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:32,560 Great. Let's discuss layoffs. 439 00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:36,480 So let's say they get laid off. From proctology directly into. 440 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:38,680 Or from. Other stuff directly. 441 00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:41,240 Into proctology, which has both. Both are shit. 442 00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:44,080 Yeah. Pun intended. 443 00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:46,080 It can go. It can go either way. 444 00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:50,080 So. So if Bungie, if Bungie people 445 00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:52,560 do get laid off, I think those guys are going to get sucked up 446 00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:54,920 pretty quick. Definitely Sony, you know, 447 00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:57,440 they're pretty open. So is Microsoft about taking 448 00:22:57,440 --> 00:23:00,440 people from their own internal dev lines when they get laid 449 00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:01,960 off? So that'll be good if that 450 00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:03,240 happens. We don't want that to happen, 451 00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:05,160 obviously. And then what I would love to 452 00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:13,480 see is I would love to see Sony this, we'll start, we'll go into 453 00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:15,360 the play event, we'll go into state of play. 454 00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:19,960 I would love Sony to really show a lot of stuff like this. 455 00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:22,640 This state of play in particular, supposed to be 90 456 00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:24,800 minutes. Now, the reason why I'm not 457 00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:27,120 super interested is their state of plays, even if they do 458 00:23:27,120 --> 00:23:29,840 special events and all this stuff are almost always shit. 459 00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:32,720 And it it's difficult to not do it because you have a ton of 460 00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:34,920 events. They've got Steam events or the 461 00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:39,080 summer, but the summer event that's coming up, they've got 462 00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:40,840 the Game Awards. You have these other places 463 00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:43,760 where you know people are watching, but at the state of 464 00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:48,440 Play. I think this is, I think Sony's 465 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:51,960 low sales. Once they did that big, once 466 00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:53,560 they did, they announced the rise. 467 00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:55,720 They got all those sales and then sales cratered to the 468 00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:58,760 lowest week ever. I think they need to show some 469 00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:02,760 stuff so that they can roll into next year through GTA of this 470 00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:06,080 year. Be the number one console for 471 00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:08,600 GTA this year, right? And. 472 00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:12,640 Then roll into next year with some bangers and I'm sorry, 473 00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:15,720 'cause I can't wait to play it. But Wolverine ain't a banger. 474 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:17,560 It's not. You know what we're talking 475 00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:19,920 about as the big no, it's not what we're talking. 476 00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:23,920 About no, no, no, they need new, new, new like they need to show 477 00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:26,880 something that it doesn't need to be like the end of the world, 478 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:28,520 like it's a brand new type of game. 479 00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:31,280 I'm not saying that. I'm saying these are known 480 00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:35,880 entities already. They need like excitement to 481 00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:40,000 offset a $200 increase in your console with the same low power 482 00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:43,880 they there is you have because dude, you have to make up the 483 00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:46,360 low sales back to your normal sales and then you have to sell 484 00:24:46,360 --> 00:24:51,520 more at the higher. Price, that's right, yeah. 485 00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:55,560 That's a hard dude. I've ran in companies like that 486 00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:57,960 where we raise the price and people don't realize. 487 00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:00,200 It's like it's not just that they raise the price. 488 00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:03,480 We have to keep the sales at least there or higher and eat up 489 00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:05,560 the drop in sales when you raise the price. 490 00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:08,200 So you might have like might go down by 200. 491 00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:10,440 You now can't just do 200 and get back to. 492 00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:12,760 You have to do because that's why you raise the price in the 493 00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:14,440 1st place. You have to go 200 and another 494 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:17,120 200. So it's like it's very difficult 495 00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:18,640 to figure out what they would do. 496 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:20,560 But I think they show Interstellar or whatever that 497 00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:23,600 game is with the bald protagonist, the chick, the 498 00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:27,600 Naughty Dog's new game. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. 499 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:31,520 Love to love to see that. That could be the thing, because 500 00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:33,720 Naughty Dog has the name for it, you know? 501 00:25:34,360 --> 00:25:37,240 And I feel like right now we're in space heaven, we're in sci-fi 502 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:39,320 heaven. If I were this, I would I would 503 00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:42,560 hire the Exodus devs and the Expanse devs. 504 00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:46,560 Maybe not Expanse that didn't land well, but the Exodus devs 505 00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:50,920 and show a couple space games so that people sort of like see 506 00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:53,720 cause 'cause it it's tangentially connected to Mass 507 00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:55,600 Effect love, you're seeing it all the time. 508 00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:58,520 Whenever anybody mentions Exodus you see people mentioning 509 00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:01,040 fucking like. Yeah, all the time. 510 00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:07,600 So like, why don't we just, you know, piggyback on that because 511 00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:13,040 superhero stuff, I'm sorry, it's great and it'll sell well, but 512 00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:17,080 it's not I it's not. I think you said it well. 513 00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:20,040 It's like space is the flavour of the moment. 514 00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:23,080 It it seems to. Be and superheroes ain't it, you 515 00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:27,520 know, they they had a time where that was the the peak, right? 516 00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:31,800 Like Avengers, Infinity Gems, you know, whatever Infinity 517 00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:35,560 Wars, like that was the height of it. 518 00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:39,680 People were excited and anything surrounding that is really big 519 00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:42,480 now. It's kind of like, yeah, the 520 00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:46,360 Boys is cool, but then like, should I watch this new Marvel 521 00:26:46,360 --> 00:26:49,040 movie? That's kind of the level of 522 00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:51,600 excitement. Yeah, yeah, it needs a little 523 00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:56,240 bit of rest, right. And and 3rd party is probably 524 00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:59,000 not it unless it's space. I think that's a big thing. 525 00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:01,200 They might have somebody else show something, who knows. 526 00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:04,160 But remember they're still, they're still showing on an old 527 00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:08,520 console now, not old in the way that like I'm saying it's shit. 528 00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:10,920 I'm just saying there is no surprise with the console. 529 00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:14,280 There is no that's not. Yeah, there's no new version. 530 00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:16,200 There's no new version. There's no whatever it's going 531 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:17,280 to be. Here's the thing. 532 00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:19,480 What do we do? Yeah, so. 533 00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:23,320 And you think state of play is going to be the the best kind 534 00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:24,040 of? I. 535 00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:26,960 Place to I. I'm saying their. 536 00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:29,360 State of plays have. Been terrible and they've done a 537 00:27:29,360 --> 00:27:32,320 great job of lowering people's expectations of the state of 538 00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:34,360 play to the point of nothing. Yeah, the. 539 00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:38,440 Last minute. People who were in it, even in 540 00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:41,760 the chat, were like, I am literally here because there is 541 00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:45,600 nothing else going on right now. Wasn't the last one pretty good 542 00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:47,440 actually? Like people were actually 543 00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:50,280 surprised that it didn't suck. People are always surprised, 544 00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:51,840 every single one. Somebody will always say it 545 00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:55,000 doesn't suck, but if you go and look at it, you're just like, 546 00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:57,320 it. Was it slightly better than some 547 00:27:57,320 --> 00:27:58,840 of their terrible ones? Maybe. 548 00:27:59,360 --> 00:28:00,040 Maybe. Yeah. 549 00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:02,800 Yeah. I think it was decent. 550 00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:06,040 They're notoriously not good with their state of place and 551 00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:09,840 this would be a great time when you're the only competitor. 552 00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:14,800 Microsoft has basically stated, guys, we're the next is what 553 00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:16,840 we're doing and we're playing these things. 554 00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:21,120 But this also goes into the discussion of, you know, Sony 555 00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:25,000 pulled their games off the PC and now we finally have the 556 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:29,040 confirmation that it was announced to the Sony employees. 557 00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:30,840 I know people were saying, oh, it's not happening. 558 00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:32,520 It's like, no, it was for sure happening. 559 00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:35,480 I mean, there was some, there's some information out there that 560 00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:36,800 was like, no, this is for sure happening. 561 00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:39,440 There were devs who were like, Yep, this is for sure happening. 562 00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:51,000 So we're now stuck with, I mean, you're sort of in a rock and a 563 00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:55,120 hard place, man, because Yep, you don't have a new system. 564 00:28:56,440 --> 00:29:01,360 You've got these games that aren't even out other than Soros 565 00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:05,240 that no one knows about. So there's no reason to buy the 566 00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:07,560 system. There's no reason to be excited 567 00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:09,080 that they've pulled something back. 568 00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:11,520 People are genuinely excited. It was on PC. 569 00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:14,480 People who own it on console were excited. 570 00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:17,720 That's how excited people were that their games were on PC. 571 00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:23,000 But if Helix is true and we've seen I I think Digital Foundry 572 00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:24,960 said this too. I think we all agree. 573 00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:27,840 I I mean, you and I talked about this months ago, but it's like, 574 00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:32,640 it does feel like in general, it's sort of shoring up your 575 00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:35,320 walls because you don't want your games being played on a 576 00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:39,960 consoles that's a competitors. And the Helix, as of what last 577 00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:42,840 last January when they talked about it, we're like, yeah, it's 578 00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:46,920 going to play PC games now we're open having Steam on there. 579 00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:50,040 So Sony looked at it was like, yeah, we don't want to do that. 580 00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:53,840 Microsoft is doing very well for themselves, selling games on 581 00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:57,080 Sony's console. So now Sony has a lot of the 582 00:29:57,080 --> 00:30:00,680 Microsoft stuff. Sony's got a dearth of games. 583 00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:03,760 They don't have anything. So this is the state of play 584 00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:07,720 where it would be you got to sell it. 585 00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:10,320 You can't sell it like you used to it. 586 00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:14,400 It can't be a year old price PlayStation state of play. 587 00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:17,520 It has to be your new how much how much is the PlayStation gone 588 00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:22,600 up in price 100 and. 50. In total. 589 00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:27,160 I actually don't know the number, I know it was around 100 590 00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:29,360 bucks. Yeah, so they were, they were 591 00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:33,440 not nailing State of Plays when it was $100 cheaper or 150 or 592 00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:34,240 whatever. It's up now. 593 00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:38,200 They need to nail it so that it's that new hotness that 594 00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:41,160 somebody doesn't say, well, I can spend 600 on a video card 595 00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:47,120 and play my PC, you know. So, yeah, man, I don't know, 596 00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:49,040 State of Play. Hopefully there's something 597 00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:52,400 space would be great. Yeah. 598 00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:58,080 Yeah, I'm loving this phase of like space games coming out. 599 00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:03,520 Love me some space. Spanky Steve $5 super chat Thank 600 00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:05,720 you for the Super chat. As you guys know we don't do 601 00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:09,560 sponsorships including Vessy shit shoes so if you guys want 602 00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:12,240 to throw some dude, I got a bunch of people responding. 603 00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:13,920 To that, you really hate those shoes, man. 604 00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:16,200 I hate, no, I just hate sponsorship stuff. 605 00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:19,160 And I hate when people pretend, yeah, you'll see somebody show 606 00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:22,600 up in their fucking combat boots and their Vans and then the next 607 00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:24,960 day they lie I to you. And they're like, I haven't worn 608 00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:27,840 anything but Vessie in six months. 609 00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:32,320 And you see a podcast where they show their shoes 3 weeks prior 610 00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:35,240 and they've forgotten and it's a pair of fucking Vans. 611 00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:37,160 Or they have their feet up on the desk where they're talking 612 00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:39,000 during the stream and they're like Vessie shoes. 613 00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:41,440 The only shoes I've worn fucking. 614 00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:43,360 I hate the lies, man. We're smarter than that. 615 00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:45,560 We're smarter than that. We are. 616 00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:49,240 We're smarter than that, Spanky says as someone who loves a 90s 617 00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:55,040 JDM era of cars. Forza Horizon 6 cannot come to 618 00:31:55,040 --> 00:32:01,360 PC or to PS-5 sooner. Dude, it's selling way well too, 619 00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:04,960 damn. I, I can relate to that because 620 00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:08,920 I also like some of those 90s cars, like some Mazdas and like 621 00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:11,640 Nissan's and stuff from, from that time. 622 00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:14,040 And they, they have so many great ones. 623 00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:17,880 And the way you kind of discover them when you're driving around 624 00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:20,240 and they're just parked there and you can buy them at a 625 00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:24,160 discount and you go like, what a find, you know, it's just, it's 626 00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:27,800 great, man. Yeah, yeah. 627 00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:32,040 Well, I mean, it's, you know, I think we're even asked about 1 628 00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:34,640 of this. Brad says. 629 00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:36,880 The fact that, you know, Vessy, their ad was successful. 630 00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:40,600 I also know what Nazis are not super successful knowledge. 631 00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:42,560 Well, it's like a. At all. 632 00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:45,680 Like at all. It's like Pirates of the 633 00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:48,520 Caribbean. It's like, at least you heard of 634 00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:52,560 me, the pirate thing, like you're the worst pirate ever. 635 00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:56,040 But but you did hear. Infamy, dude, that's one of the 636 00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:59,440 famous is an infamy, and if anybody tries to tell you it is, 637 00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:01,560 they are they're probably the. Same. 638 00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:04,040 The words are close, but yeah, yeah, yeah. 639 00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:06,120 Forza 6 is pretty good. I do mish. 640 00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:08,160 I do miss adaptive triggers though. 641 00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:11,280 Man. I don't, I, I do, I, I have 642 00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:16,160 them, I have the ability to to play it on the PC with them, but 643 00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:18,600 I haven't, I haven't turned a PlayStation controller on in a 644 00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:19,960 while. So I don't know. 645 00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:23,960 I don't know what bonus I would get out of them. 646 00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:27,640 But regardless, you'll be able to do that in a couple months. 647 00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:32,280 If you like adaptive, adaptive adaptive triggers. 648 00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:34,840 Yeah, it's cool. Cool people be able to play it. 649 00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:38,160 Have they have they announced the release date for 650 00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:43,600 PlayStation? I thought they said six months. 651 00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:46,760 Maybe it's a year. OK, maybe it's a year. 652 00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:52,160 And dude, they sold a lot. I mean, I don't know how many, 653 00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:55,320 but apparently at least in our groups, that land group I'm in, 654 00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:58,640 they saw a lot. They sold a lot of Series S 655 00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:02,040 consoles with men like a lot of people I know are like fuck it 656 00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:03,800 it's 1/4 of the price of a video card. 657 00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:05,920 I'm just going to play it on a Series S and just drive around 658 00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:07,480 and have a good time for I. Can see that, yeah. 659 00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:09,920 As a polar man Forza. It is. 660 00:34:10,199 --> 00:34:13,560 There's something about it, that horizon in particular, that does 661 00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:16,840 really well so. Yeah, for Microsoft might be one 662 00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:18,719 of the biggest games they have, right? 663 00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:21,719 Yep, Yep, I know. Well, now they have Call of Duty 664 00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:25,360 under their belt, so that's probably. 665 00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:28,199 From them, but yeah, Call of Duty is now theirs. 666 00:34:28,199 --> 00:34:29,280 Yeah. So, yeah, true. 667 00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:31,480 Yeah, yeah. Forza is just. 668 00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:34,000 Forza Horizon in particular just is a fun. 669 00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:37,080 There's something about it that's just laid back, man. 670 00:34:37,199 --> 00:34:42,080 You know, it's not a SIM. It's just let's just sit back 671 00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:45,880 and drive around and have a good time, get cars, collect them, 672 00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:48,440 customize them. They're not going super 673 00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:50,480 realistic. You know, it's it's always going 674 00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:53,280 to be more of the more of the sit back and have fun kind of 675 00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:56,040 game and it is a blast. In that way, super fun. 676 00:34:56,320 --> 00:35:03,480 And it boy, is it, you know, it's got that shield of light, 677 00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:06,360 as I call it, where about 200 feet in front of you can see all 678 00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:09,360 the effects turning on. Yeah, the AOE around you, yeah. 679 00:35:09,720 --> 00:35:12,920 Dude, it is. It's like a paladin being like, 680 00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:14,560 you know. It is healed, yeah, Yeah. 681 00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:19,280 That being said, yeah, fuck man, that, you know, the game just 682 00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:22,360 is, is excellent. Yeah, it just looks so good, 683 00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:24,400 man. By the way, you dropped the word 684 00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:28,960 of the day back there. You said dearth, which initially 685 00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:33,680 I thought was girth. But dearth refers to the 686 00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:37,320 scarcity or lack of something. Yeah, I didn't know. 687 00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:39,360 So word of the day for me. Good one, Dearth. 688 00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:41,040 There we go. Dearth. 689 00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:47,080 Like, most gamers have a dearth of sexual partners, right? 690 00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:50,840 That's how you would use. It right, Just put it in the 691 00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:53,680 sentence, yeah. Dearth. 692 00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:57,360 Yeah, man. Yeah. 693 00:35:57,720 --> 00:36:00,320 I mean, it's yeah, it's got to be one of their biggest titles 694 00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:02,720 of all time. And it's also a title that 695 00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:07,680 because they do the seasons and for most people it's not 696 00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:10,760 considered the typical micro even though it is for some 697 00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:14,160 people or for many people it doesn't seem to be egregious. 698 00:36:14,720 --> 00:36:17,720 So they seem to be genuinely happy with how it delivers 699 00:36:17,720 --> 00:36:21,560 content and open world fun racing game drive guitars are 700 00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:24,360 good driving. Around they legit have some of 701 00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:28,240 the best DLCS in games they do. Yeah, they do. 702 00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:30,200 They do. Yeah, they're very creative. 703 00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:33,880 Yeah, I would say Assassin's Creed. 704 00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:38,320 Obviously their DLCS are great. I would say Forza Horizons. 705 00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:44,200 DLCS are close, Yeah, yeah, like, ought to say Valhalla. 706 00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:48,680 Yes, I'm crazy. Crazy DLC action. 707 00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:53,000 What else? Anything else about State of 708 00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:55,880 Play or Forza? Yeah, space stuff, some new 709 00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:58,680 stuff be great. I think a lot of it'll be GTA, 710 00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:03,560 but that's I. That would be huge man, if they 711 00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:09,920 can actually show that in their own show and start linking like 712 00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:11,040 they don't. Have to show very much. 713 00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:14,840 No, not really. They could even show if they can 714 00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:19,440 just say like this is how you're going to play GTA or you know, 715 00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:22,720 something to that effect and just kind of link the concepts 716 00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:28,960 of GTA plus PS-5 in everybody. 'S is not going to not release 717 00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:30,320 the trailer on their own channel. 718 00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:35,120 So just so everybody knows, if there was a trailer, I wouldn't 719 00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:37,800 be surprised if the trailer. Pops early, they wouldn't like 720 00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:40,400 lose anything really. No, by showing it. 721 00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:42,400 Yeah, I would. I would expect if anything, 722 00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:45,600 they'd release a trailer and then release another one or 723 00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:48,680 maybe do, hey, here's how we're going to make this game look the 724 00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:51,520 best on the system and do a developer insight kind of video 725 00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:53,800 too. I don't think those because I 726 00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:56,600 don't think a state of play is when I want to hear a developer 727 00:37:56,600 --> 00:38:00,320 talk. But that doesn't mean anything. 728 00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:03,280 It's that's just me saying that. It doesn't mean it's the truth. 729 00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:09,720 It's it's insane what a delight Lego Batman is for fans. 730 00:38:09,720 --> 00:38:12,360 But they even put in some other references from pop culture, 731 00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:15,000 like Always Sunny in Philadelphia meme from Frank. 732 00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:18,240 Yeah, they've yeah, they did a really good job at that game, 733 00:38:18,240 --> 00:38:20,080 man. They did a great, they did a 734 00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:24,040 great thing with that one. So let's go through some of 735 00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:27,360 these questions real quick. Telegram, this is TJ Hooker. 736 00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:30,680 TJ Hookner. Garrett called it on bungee last 737 00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:33,880 week and then again this week. Is your contact Jason S No, it 738 00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:36,440 is not just kidding, but keep up the awesome work in the side 739 00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:37,960 cast. My question is this, how often 740 00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:42,080 do people with leaks sit on data and tell no one and how do you 741 00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:45,280 handle that? I would say the majority of 742 00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:49,080 people sit on leaks. I would say the majority of 743 00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:54,880 people might use it for deciding what they're going to cover when 744 00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:57,000 that comes out, maybe playing accordingly. 745 00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:59,880 But I think many people who know stuff don't say anything because 746 00:38:59,880 --> 00:39:02,560 somebody tells them I'm telling you, please don't say anything. 747 00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:09,480 And the amount of stuff that like is is blathered out and 748 00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:14,720 about is pretty goddamn high. In fact, I would say the 749 00:39:14,720 --> 00:39:25,920 majority of stuff that you see leaked is very, very little in 750 00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:28,160 comparison to what is talked about. 751 00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:32,840 Especially because 99% of the time when you guys finally see a 752 00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:37,320 leak, it's been talked about for like a week or there's been 753 00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:42,200 rumors or you'll hear somebody. Somebody will DM you and say so 754 00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:45,440 and so is going to have news next week, you know, or this big 755 00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:48,440 thing is happening next week or, or or whatever and it's and 756 00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:50,480 they'll give you some data and then you sit on it. 757 00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:53,640 I think sitting on its best, you know, it doesn't, you don't 758 00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:57,640 always mean some people that's their entire shtick is a leaker 759 00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:00,880 and that's fine. But I don't really like leaks of 760 00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:03,080 that kind and I don't like them affecting the company. 761 00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:07,880 If you've I've affected 2 people that I know of and that really 762 00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:12,520 burned me like that was. That was like, OK, I'm going to 763 00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:14,120 change it. Like I get it. 764 00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:17,680 Like caused them an issue or made them feel a certain way and 765 00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:19,800 I was like, I'll never again. Like I get it. 766 00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:23,680 I get it. Yeah, Victor says your drive 767 00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:25,240 Atar is a son of a bitch. Carrick. 768 00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:28,160 Oh, in Horizon. Also. 769 00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:32,320 What LLM front end do you use for front ends? 770 00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:39,160 I use Jan or Witsy or LM Studio and now I have my own that I've 771 00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:42,320 made but those are the ones. Any of those are pretty newbie 772 00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:44,680 friendly. Just casually dropping that you 773 00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:50,000 made your own model. Yeah, Campos, about 3 years ago, 774 00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:52,400 Carrot told a story about a high school teacher, something about 775 00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:54,000 how much impact he or she had had. 776 00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:57,240 Sorry I don't remember the rest, but if you do Carrot, can you 777 00:40:57,360 --> 00:41:01,760 tell the story again? I hope it's not an American Pie 778 00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:09,640 situation. Thinking it means Mr. Ford, who 779 00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:12,440 was my programming teacher because Mr. Ford was the one 780 00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:16,480 that I programmed and I cheated by memorizing everything and not 781 00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:18,560 doing variables but making it appear like it. 782 00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:22,640 And he's like, this is the best, worst program I've ever seen. 783 00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:27,160 He's like, if you put as much effort into doing what I had 784 00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:31,600 asked you would have, you would have done really well. 785 00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:34,760 It was probably Mr. Ford. He was really hard ass guy, but 786 00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:39,800 he he was probably one of the best teachers I had and he he 787 00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:42,720 rode me hard because he knew my brother who he. 788 00:41:42,720 --> 00:41:43,840 Rode hard. That does sound wrong. 789 00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:47,040 Does sound wrong, but he. Did we did go American Pie? 790 00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:48,520 He did. In the end, yeah, he rode me 791 00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:51,400 hard. It's what I Yeah, yeah, Carrick 792 00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:52,960 says that funny enough. 40 minutes. 793 00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:56,880 The one teacher I still remember to this day was a programming 794 00:41:56,880 --> 00:41:59,520 teacher as well my first programming teacher. 795 00:41:59,880 --> 00:42:03,320 Why do you? Remember, he taught me C and he 796 00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:07,560 had an incredible way to teach and get people excited about 797 00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:10,480 something that's not that exciting, like programming. 798 00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:13,400 I mean, you can be into it, but it's not like. 799 00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:15,200 Yeah. I know what you mean and he was 800 00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:18,200 just like getting you excited about the ideas and stuff. 801 00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:22,160 Yeah. That's very cool, I had. 2. 802 00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:25,640 One was terrible. He, Mr. Beckham, love you, man, 803 00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:27,720 Love you. By the way, said Mr. He had a 804 00:42:27,720 --> 00:42:29,200 crack, I said. He had passed. 805 00:42:29,240 --> 00:42:31,520 Away and found out just a couple weeks ago he had not. 806 00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:33,680 He was one of those guys that over time I think I read 807 00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:37,560 something that appeared like he did a great teacher, but he 808 00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:42,480 taught like this and he also taught math and it was the worst 809 00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:45,760 experience I've ever had. But he was knowledgeable shit 810 00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:47,720 and he was a good teacher and he let me get away with stuff 811 00:42:47,720 --> 00:42:50,840 'cause I was mouthy as shit. And he, maybe he didn't get the 812 00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:54,200 jokes, but I would always joke and always be mouthy during 813 00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:56,440 class. And he, he didn't kick me out, 814 00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:59,880 He was, which admitted. Is it one of those where you 815 00:42:59,880 --> 00:43:03,160 zone out because he's pretty slow and then when you come back 816 00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:06,280 to it you see like there's a whole board full of shit you 817 00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:09,760 don't understand? Like how did we go from where we 818 00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:12,120 were I. Would go home with a problem and 819 00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:15,200 I would just look at it and go, I don't even know what the first 820 00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:16,160 symbol is. Man. 821 00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:20,040 I like I'm I need to go to basic, basic basic math again or 822 00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:22,560 something like I don't get it. And I did end up switching out 823 00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:24,080 of that class. It was just too much for me. 824 00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:26,520 I was like math to a certain degree was great. 825 00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:31,520 But once you get into like true, definitely functions and 826 00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:34,600 formulas. I was like, I'm my brain. 827 00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:37,320 I don't even know. And what's weird is I'm pretty 828 00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:40,920 mathematical in the sense of if you do this first, like do this 829 00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:44,800 before this in a formula that should have worked for me, but 830 00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:47,480 for whatever reason at that age that wasn't working for me. 831 00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:52,760 It just, it just sucked. Masterpaz says we all know this 832 00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:56,040 is Masterpaz. He says we all know about 833 00:43:56,240 --> 00:44:00,320 Johnny's glorious life sized anatomically correct Tifa 834 00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:02,280 statue. I don't know where this is 835 00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:03,640 going. Do we know? 836 00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:07,320 Do we know about this? OK, but what other epic game 837 00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:10,080 related merchandise do you guys wish you had or have? 838 00:44:20,550 --> 00:44:25,390 I don't know if if there is one. If anything I've kind of come to 839 00:44:25,390 --> 00:44:28,230 regret the ones that I do have. I have a couple of like 840 00:44:28,230 --> 00:44:31,230 statuettes and they're great. Don't get me wrong, I have the 841 00:44:31,230 --> 00:44:34,990 secure one and the Sephiroth from Final Fantasy 7. 842 00:44:34,990 --> 00:44:41,990 They're great, but I just look at them like, yeah, it's really 843 00:44:41,990 --> 00:44:44,270 not like the greatest investment I've made. 844 00:44:44,830 --> 00:44:47,630 And if anything, I would rather have like a Lego set on the 845 00:44:47,630 --> 00:44:50,630 shelf instead, you know, or something to something like 846 00:44:50,630 --> 00:44:52,630 that. I just don't think it's that 847 00:44:52,630 --> 00:44:55,630 cool anymore. Mine. 848 00:44:55,630 --> 00:44:58,550 Are probably Lego anyway. I got the long yeah Lego or 849 00:44:58,550 --> 00:45:00,670 grace from. Horizon 0. 850 00:45:00,670 --> 00:45:02,630 Dawn with the hell? That's such a good one. 851 00:45:03,350 --> 00:45:06,750 Yeah, that's great. This is Max, he says. 852 00:45:06,750 --> 00:45:08,390 I just picked up. Some Assassin's Creed books 853 00:45:08,390 --> 00:45:10,630 honestly had no idea they even existed. 854 00:45:10,630 --> 00:45:12,910 Since you all enjoy reading as much, what other games do you 855 00:45:12,910 --> 00:45:14,910 think deserve a good read? Well I'll tell you what, I've 856 00:45:14,910 --> 00:45:17,150 read every Assassin's Creed one we talked about a lot in the 857 00:45:17,150 --> 00:45:20,830 podcast. I think the Far Cry 5 prequel is 858 00:45:20,830 --> 00:45:24,710 probably one of the best because when you play Far Cry 5, if 859 00:45:24,710 --> 00:45:28,870 you've read the book they they do just they do an insanely good 860 00:45:28,870 --> 00:45:30,830 job merging them together. Watchdogs. 861 00:45:31,110 --> 00:45:33,830 A lot of these are Ubisoft. Watchdogs novels are really 862 00:45:33,830 --> 00:45:38,670 good. Trying to think of any other 863 00:45:38,670 --> 00:45:40,870 Halo. The Halo novels were great. 864 00:45:41,270 --> 00:45:43,150 The first 3 in particular were really good. 865 00:45:43,910 --> 00:45:46,070 OK. They were basically just the 866 00:45:46,070 --> 00:45:47,430 game. Yeah, they were just. 867 00:45:47,430 --> 00:45:49,670 The game, really. I mean, even said stuff that is 868 00:45:49,670 --> 00:45:52,310 said in the game, but it was, it just gave you a little narrative 869 00:45:52,310 --> 00:45:53,950 flavor. They were, Yeah, they were. 870 00:45:53,950 --> 00:45:55,590 That's cool. The Witcher is a good. 871 00:45:55,590 --> 00:45:59,350 One, because you play Witcher 3 for or well any of the other 872 00:45:59,350 --> 00:46:02,630 games and then a lot of the stories are either from the 873 00:46:02,630 --> 00:46:06,190 books or adjacent. So you get a lot more color. 874 00:46:06,190 --> 00:46:09,790 If you read the books as well about the whole thing with the 875 00:46:09,790 --> 00:46:15,150 genie, you know that they had this compulsion between 876 00:46:16,230 --> 00:46:20,150 Geraldton yen and it was this kind of genie packed. 877 00:46:20,150 --> 00:46:25,990 They had a very big part of that was, is our love real or are we 878 00:46:25,990 --> 00:46:28,990 just being kind of pulled towards each other because of 879 00:46:28,990 --> 00:46:31,310 that? And they, they had a a mission 880 00:46:31,310 --> 00:46:33,350 towards the end where they explained that. 881 00:46:33,670 --> 00:46:37,390 But if you kind of already understood that as you play the 882 00:46:37,390 --> 00:46:41,870 game, I felt like it did give everything a, an additional 883 00:46:41,870 --> 00:46:44,950 layer to, to how you perceive it, you know? 884 00:46:45,070 --> 00:46:48,030 Yeah, that'd be a good one. Also, the next question, since 885 00:46:48,030 --> 00:46:50,350 you've got me hooked on the show from, I'd love to hear your 886 00:46:50,350 --> 00:46:52,070 thoughts and theories. I'm going to tell you right now, 887 00:46:52,070 --> 00:46:55,510 I don't think that that's fair. I think we'll hold off on 888 00:46:56,990 --> 00:46:58,470 theory. Stuff because the show's still 889 00:46:58,470 --> 00:47:01,270 going. And it's literally just just had 890 00:47:01,270 --> 00:47:03,510 a new one. Let's be honest, not all leaks 891 00:47:03,510 --> 00:47:05,870 are legitimate leaks. Some are definitely intentional 892 00:47:05,870 --> 00:47:09,270 to grab attention. Yeah, in the history of doing 893 00:47:09,270 --> 00:47:14,110 this, I can tell you that there has never been a single time 894 00:47:14,270 --> 00:47:16,190 where anything appeared to be intentional. 895 00:47:16,670 --> 00:47:19,830 And every time I ask anybody if something's intentional, I'm 896 00:47:19,830 --> 00:47:23,230 always pointed directly to the PR stating Can you imagine how 897 00:47:23,230 --> 00:47:25,830 fucked up everybody would be if we intentionally leaked 898 00:47:25,830 --> 00:47:28,830 something and it didn't work? It would be a disaster. 899 00:47:29,470 --> 00:47:32,950 So of unbelievable unmitigated proportions. 900 00:47:33,190 --> 00:47:35,430 And that's people who've left the industry as well as people 901 00:47:35,430 --> 00:47:37,030 who are still in it. I'm not saying it hasn't 902 00:47:37,030 --> 00:47:39,790 happened, but even talking to some of the biggest leakers that 903 00:47:39,790 --> 00:47:44,110 you guys see, even when we were talking about OD from from 904 00:47:44,110 --> 00:47:46,830 what's his name prior when when I thought it was going to be 905 00:47:47,390 --> 00:47:49,430 Metal Gear because they were doing the remake of Metal Gear 906 00:47:49,430 --> 00:47:53,550 at the same time and I got that. I got that those two my wires 907 00:47:53,550 --> 00:47:58,310 crossed on those. Even those people that I talked 908 00:47:58,310 --> 00:48:02,750 to were like. No, I mean it would be. 909 00:48:02,830 --> 00:48:06,150 It's an entire PR department. You would have to like figure 910 00:48:06,150 --> 00:48:09,030 out a way you either lie to them and then who you going to leak 911 00:48:09,030 --> 00:48:12,230 it to like how are you going to leak it and if you leak it to 912 00:48:12,230 --> 00:48:15,670 somebody, that person is under your employ as APR 913 00:48:15,950 --> 00:48:18,750 representative now, like they are quite by the way, I don't 914 00:48:18,750 --> 00:48:20,910 know if you saw this. Speaking of how this is all 915 00:48:20,910 --> 00:48:23,310 true. Did you see that twitch stream 916 00:48:23,310 --> 00:48:28,070 or that kick streamers can buy retweets and re clips? 917 00:48:28,110 --> 00:48:30,670 Did you see this whole hubbaloo by Sasha Grey? 918 00:48:31,550 --> 00:48:33,910 So Sasha Grey talked about. It she's the 1st. 919 00:48:33,910 --> 00:48:37,310 One I saw, but she was following this other PR guy and he's like 920 00:48:37,310 --> 00:48:40,550 Kik has this system that when you stream on Kik you can 921 00:48:40,550 --> 00:48:46,230 literally just pay and people who have a bunch of accounts 922 00:48:46,230 --> 00:48:49,590 will re clip your stuff. And he was doing some of the 923 00:48:49,590 --> 00:48:51,990 numbers in the hundreds of thousands of dollars some Kik 924 00:48:51,990 --> 00:48:54,870 streamers are paying and they're getting millions of views. 925 00:48:55,550 --> 00:48:57,990 And people were like, well, that's just sort of PR. 926 00:48:57,990 --> 00:49:00,470 And all of a sudden one of the people who is looking at it was 927 00:49:00,470 --> 00:49:03,910 like, that's if that's PR, then every single one of those 928 00:49:03,910 --> 00:49:07,710 Reclipse has to say, this is sponsored because of the United 929 00:49:07,750 --> 00:49:10,670 States. And now there's this massive 930 00:49:11,270 --> 00:49:15,350 like backlash where people are like, did did like 100,000 931 00:49:15,350 --> 00:49:17,550 people break the law of federal law here? 932 00:49:17,550 --> 00:49:19,830 Because it is, that is what it would be. 933 00:49:20,590 --> 00:49:22,710 And that would be the same thing for if you were trying to 934 00:49:22,710 --> 00:49:23,390 spread. Yeah. 935 00:49:23,630 --> 00:49:24,230 Yeah. Thank you. 936 00:49:24,310 --> 00:49:26,630 It was Devin. Well, Devin was one of the ones 937 00:49:26,630 --> 00:49:28,270 who said it. I was told by somebody else that 938 00:49:28,270 --> 00:49:31,710 it was going on, but I didn't think it was as a big Devin Nash 939 00:49:31,710 --> 00:49:35,150 is the guy who blew it out of the water and the numbers he was 940 00:49:35,150 --> 00:49:36,990 showing. And then he went back and 941 00:49:36,990 --> 00:49:40,550 tracked a couple Twitch, Twitch slash kick streamers who were 942 00:49:40,550 --> 00:49:44,790 admitting on camera. And it was. 943 00:49:46,190 --> 00:49:47,750 It was. Unbelievable. 944 00:49:47,750 --> 00:49:51,550 Amounts of money, but it also has a return because. 945 00:49:51,830 --> 00:49:53,990 You you get. Subscribers and then one person 946 00:49:53,990 --> 00:49:56,270 might be a patron fuse, that kind of stuff. 947 00:49:56,270 --> 00:50:00,150 So I experienced somebody trying to do kick advertisements in the 948 00:50:00,150 --> 00:50:03,670 kind of funny discord. Let's see. 949 00:50:04,550 --> 00:50:07,030 Ralph Inator, what is some of your guys's favorite games with 950 00:50:07,030 --> 00:50:09,110 very good side quests that don't feel like a chore? 951 00:50:09,550 --> 00:50:11,870 First thing that comes to mind is GTA4 for me. 952 00:50:12,110 --> 00:50:16,390 Absolutely hands down Witcher 3. Best side quests in a game. 953 00:50:16,590 --> 00:50:19,670 I said this when I did the walk in the walk, Absolutely best 954 00:50:19,670 --> 00:50:21,910 side quests. It's the meat of the game is the 955 00:50:21,910 --> 00:50:24,990 side quests. It's like, yeah, it's so funny, 956 00:50:24,990 --> 00:50:27,070 right? That's what we remember. 957 00:50:27,510 --> 00:50:30,830 Yep, Yep, I think. That I think that's the way it 958 00:50:30,830 --> 00:50:32,270 should work. When you have a protagonist 959 00:50:32,270 --> 00:50:35,430 written from novels, there's some control that some things 960 00:50:35,430 --> 00:50:38,670 you don't want to do where you make it so that that person you 961 00:50:38,670 --> 00:50:42,630 can be them but not impact the entire world with your main 962 00:50:42,630 --> 00:50:45,310 quest even though he is. But you have the side quest 963 00:50:45,310 --> 00:50:48,430 where you impact the world in smaller ways that don't rub up 964 00:50:48,430 --> 00:50:50,710 against the IP poorly or whatever. 965 00:50:50,870 --> 00:50:53,190 I think Witcher 3 nailed it by far. 966 00:50:53,670 --> 00:50:56,670 Odyssey, Assassin's Creed Odyssey, some of the most 967 00:50:56,670 --> 00:51:01,270 hilarious side quests known to man are in Odyssey in 968 00:51:01,270 --> 00:51:04,470 particular. So very fun and with some. 969 00:51:05,910 --> 00:51:08,990 Historical characters like Socrates, you know, you're 970 00:51:08,990 --> 00:51:11,070 hanging out with Socrates and it's great. 971 00:51:11,550 --> 00:51:12,670 Yeah, it's so. Great. 972 00:51:12,790 --> 00:51:15,470 What about King? Sorry, go on. 973 00:51:15,470 --> 00:51:18,510 No, no, I was going to. Ask you something else, go for 974 00:51:18,550 --> 00:51:23,630 it. If Kingdom come to is up there 975 00:51:24,070 --> 00:51:27,750 with side quests, would you put it up there at the at a similar 976 00:51:27,910 --> 00:51:34,840 level? 'Cause I didn't get to play it, 977 00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:36,640 so I'm. Curious like how you remember 978 00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:40,040 it? That's a good. 979 00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:43,830 That's a good. That is a good question. 980 00:51:43,870 --> 00:51:46,670 I don't, I think some of them are really good. 981 00:51:46,670 --> 00:51:50,510 But because it's not a fanciful game, it's not a fantasy game, 982 00:51:50,590 --> 00:51:53,630 it's still rooted in real life and what? 983 00:51:53,750 --> 00:51:55,750 Yeah, sometimes you're just like. 984 00:51:57,430 --> 00:52:00,830 Sometimes it didn't grab me as. Well, as if it's like the Bloody 985 00:52:00,830 --> 00:52:05,950 Baron or something like that It so or Socrates or seeing 986 00:52:05,950 --> 00:52:08,070 somebody get eat by a shark and Odyssey or something, you know, 987 00:52:08,070 --> 00:52:10,870 these side things or Syndicate where you see you know, and 988 00:52:10,870 --> 00:52:13,750 weirdly enough, a lot of these are AC games, but they do a good 989 00:52:13,750 --> 00:52:14,830 job. They have a lot of side quests 990 00:52:14,830 --> 00:52:16,870 too. So, I mean, they do by sheer 991 00:52:16,870 --> 00:52:18,110 number, they're going to be higher. 992 00:52:19,510 --> 00:52:20,390 Yeah. Yeah. 993 00:52:20,550 --> 00:52:22,230 I don't know. That's a good question, man. 994 00:52:22,310 --> 00:52:24,510 I mean, there were some that were great banging that chick 995 00:52:24,510 --> 00:52:28,310 and then and then going back to basically apologize or sort of 996 00:52:28,310 --> 00:52:31,310 say, you know, I I you know, do you want to hang out? 997 00:52:31,310 --> 00:52:33,430 And she's like, you weren't as good as all the other guys and 998 00:52:33,430 --> 00:52:37,070 you thought she was chased and stuff was like, that was that 999 00:52:37,070 --> 00:52:38,350 was funny. That was great. 1000 00:52:38,350 --> 00:52:40,910 That was handled so well. Yeah. 1001 00:52:40,910 --> 00:52:43,350 Yakuza is up there. Yakuza's got some. 1002 00:52:43,790 --> 00:52:46,070 Yakuza's got some great ones. Let's see. 1003 00:52:47,350 --> 00:52:48,990 What's your favorite? Energy drinks. 1004 00:52:49,830 --> 00:52:52,910 This is from Super Chat. Thank you very much $5 machine 1005 00:52:52,910 --> 00:52:54,790 XP. What's your favorite go to drink 1006 00:52:54,790 --> 00:53:00,070 that energizes you? Tea, right? 1007 00:53:00,550 --> 00:53:02,190 You just drink tea. Coffee if. 1008 00:53:02,190 --> 00:53:04,230 It's allowed. Yeah, for sure. 1009 00:53:04,230 --> 00:53:05,270 Coffee. I drink. 1010 00:53:05,790 --> 00:53:09,270 I I've drank at least one coffee for the past. 1011 00:53:11,550 --> 00:53:13,390 It's years. I don't, literally. 1012 00:53:13,390 --> 00:53:18,830 I don't remember a day in the last over five years really, so 1013 00:53:18,830 --> 00:53:19,990 I always. Have a coffee. 1014 00:53:19,990 --> 00:53:21,870 It's. Part of my morning routine. 1015 00:53:21,950 --> 00:53:25,230 I love it. I try not to have more than two. 1016 00:53:25,230 --> 00:53:28,670 2 is my cap. Some days I just have one but 1017 00:53:28,670 --> 00:53:32,870 but I I do always have a coffee. I think the only problem. 1018 00:53:32,870 --> 00:53:35,070 With coffee and. Energy drinks is their half life 1019 00:53:35,070 --> 00:53:38,430 is so long, like a lot of drugs out there that you can get 1020 00:53:38,470 --> 00:53:40,590 legally, like even nicotine or whatever. 1021 00:53:40,790 --> 00:53:42,190 Their half life is so much shorter. 1022 00:53:42,190 --> 00:53:45,030 Caffeine's half life is fucking forever, man. 1023 00:53:45,230 --> 00:53:47,270 So you have many hours. It's many. 1024 00:53:47,270 --> 00:53:49,710 Hours and it. By the way, that's the half life 1025 00:53:49,710 --> 00:53:51,590 like that doesn't mean it's even out of your system. 1026 00:53:51,790 --> 00:53:54,590 So if you're take if you're drinking something at 1:00 PM, 1027 00:53:55,630 --> 00:53:57,390 that will affect. Or can affect. 1028 00:53:57,390 --> 00:54:01,070 Your sleep at 8 like that's pretty crazy when you think 1029 00:54:01,070 --> 00:54:03,750 about it like that is a long that's worse than ephedra. 1030 00:54:04,110 --> 00:54:06,750 That's worse than like half of the drugs people talk about, you 1031 00:54:06,750 --> 00:54:09,910 know, like an energy drug that like a weight lifter would take. 1032 00:54:09,910 --> 00:54:13,230 It's like, dude, caffeine is just it sticks, man. 1033 00:54:13,230 --> 00:54:15,150 It's a sticky drug. It sticks. 1034 00:54:16,350 --> 00:54:17,830 It sticks for a. Long time. 1035 00:54:18,870 --> 00:54:22,350 Yeah. And you become accustomed to it 1036 00:54:22,350 --> 00:54:22,830 pretty. Quick. 1037 00:54:22,830 --> 00:54:27,950 I feel like with caffeine, the receptors get dumb pretty quick. 1038 00:54:27,950 --> 00:54:29,950 Yeah. Becomes their baseline, yeah. 1039 00:54:30,150 --> 00:54:32,510 I don't really get a kick from it anymore. 1040 00:54:32,830 --> 00:54:36,510 You don't I get a kick from. It maybe not. 1041 00:54:36,510 --> 00:54:39,230 Even not from that one. Coffee, you know, yeah, not I 1042 00:54:39,430 --> 00:54:41,470 would say even from like a a pop. 1043 00:54:41,670 --> 00:54:44,470 I mean, any kind of soda is really low, but like even a 1044 00:54:44,470 --> 00:54:47,190 monster, which really isn't as high as people worry about. 1045 00:54:47,190 --> 00:54:48,630 It's not like a four hour energy. 1046 00:54:48,990 --> 00:54:51,230 Well, actually I think they're the same. 4 hour energy is only 1047 00:54:51,230 --> 00:54:54,190 that big, but yeah, yeah, they're not. 1048 00:54:54,550 --> 00:54:56,710 You know, you're funny enough. I do like the. 1049 00:54:56,710 --> 00:55:02,950 Flavour of Red Bull a lot. I just don't like it as AII. 1050 00:55:02,950 --> 00:55:04,630 Just probably don't think it's. Healthy. 1051 00:55:05,430 --> 00:55:09,190 So I don't drink it very much, but I do like the flavour of it 1052 00:55:09,710 --> 00:55:12,790 and there's something about the presentation in the thin can 1053 00:55:13,270 --> 00:55:17,310 that I absolutely love. And I know that Rory talks about 1054 00:55:17,310 --> 00:55:20,470 this, you know it. It is a a perception. 1055 00:55:20,510 --> 00:55:22,830 Yeah, well, I like Mountain Dew and a lot of people don't like. 1056 00:55:22,830 --> 00:55:24,870 That I like squirt. A lot of people don't like that. 1057 00:55:26,350 --> 00:55:29,310 Wait, is it called squirt? Yeah, terrible name. 1058 00:55:30,830 --> 00:55:32,430 Super. Super popular. 1059 00:55:32,430 --> 00:55:35,790 Drink super. Popular drink, but weirdly 1060 00:55:35,790 --> 00:55:38,470 enough super terrible name, you know. 1061 00:55:39,550 --> 00:55:41,270 Wow, Mountain Dew is pretty terrible. 1062 00:55:41,270 --> 00:55:42,550 Too Like, what does that even mean? 1063 00:55:42,550 --> 00:55:45,470 Do do sound? I don't know, old man piss. 1064 00:55:47,310 --> 00:55:50,350 Let's see, Spock says. Not a question, just wanted to 1065 00:55:50,350 --> 00:55:51,830 drop a note. I've been missing the live 1066 00:55:51,830 --> 00:55:54,190 podcast lately because of the extreme time zone difference. 1067 00:55:54,190 --> 00:55:57,310 You start at 4:30 AM Sydney time, but I always catch up in 1068 00:55:57,310 --> 00:55:58,750 the following week. Happy to be a part of the 1069 00:55:58,750 --> 00:55:59,350 Discord. Yeah. 1070 00:55:59,390 --> 00:56:01,590 Thank you very much. Yeah, appreciate it. 1071 00:56:01,710 --> 00:56:03,470 Always, always have really good comments. 1072 00:56:03,790 --> 00:56:05,910 Our Discord's been banging it lately too. 1073 00:56:05,910 --> 00:56:10,830 We've been having man, it's the amount of people streaming in 1074 00:56:10,830 --> 00:56:15,630 the Discord has been insane. It's it's taken a while, but now 1075 00:56:15,630 --> 00:56:18,270 it's been like just, it's been really fun. 1076 00:56:18,270 --> 00:56:19,990 You go and you never know what people are going to be 1077 00:56:19,990 --> 00:56:22,150 streaming. What's been the most? 1078 00:56:22,150 --> 00:56:25,030 Played like, what's everybody playing? 1079 00:56:25,230 --> 00:56:27,470 The most common thing? You would think that, right? 1080 00:56:28,350 --> 00:56:31,710 I think Dragon's Dogma 2 was probably the last time the 1081 00:56:31,710 --> 00:56:34,950 majority of people we're doing one game now. 1082 00:56:35,110 --> 00:56:37,510 It is like 6. Yeah, yeah, that was huge back 1083 00:56:37,510 --> 00:56:38,310 there. Four are doing. 1084 00:56:38,310 --> 00:56:42,070 Shooters 3 or. It it has been, there's so many 1085 00:56:42,070 --> 00:56:45,070 games now. Like this, this time frame is 1086 00:56:45,070 --> 00:56:47,470 very tricky. Well, not only happen Lego. 1087 00:56:47,470 --> 00:56:48,790 Batsman 4. Bunch of. 1088 00:56:48,790 --> 00:56:50,550 Us are doing fucking what do you call? 1089 00:56:50,550 --> 00:56:54,790 It Division 2, so it's not even a new game, you know, it's just 1090 00:56:54,790 --> 00:56:57,870 Oh yeah, yeah, there's no times. It'll be quiet as shit man you 1091 00:56:57,910 --> 00:56:58,790 I. Went in there one time, there 1092 00:56:58,790 --> 00:57:02,590 was about 16 of us and I went in and there was about 8 streams 1093 00:57:02,590 --> 00:57:06,670 and eight people watching. Many people just muted and you'd 1094 00:57:06,670 --> 00:57:09,670 ask a question, you'd hear the unmute button and I'd be like, 1095 00:57:09,670 --> 00:57:12,070 dude, what are you doing? I'm at work, you know, I just 1096 00:57:12,070 --> 00:57:13,350 watch. I come in here to hear you guys 1097 00:57:13,350 --> 00:57:16,310 talk, blah, blah, blah. And then other days you're all 1098 00:57:16,310 --> 00:57:18,270 yelling over the top of each other because everybody's 1099 00:57:18,270 --> 00:57:22,190 excited about some movie or some random comic book discussion. 1100 00:57:22,190 --> 00:57:24,190 It's, it's been, it's fucking awesome. 1101 00:57:24,190 --> 00:57:26,310 It gets better every single month. 1102 00:57:26,310 --> 00:57:29,630 I swear to God, that's not me. Don't join the Discord. 1103 00:57:29,750 --> 00:57:31,990 Don't, because we want to keep it to. 1104 00:57:31,990 --> 00:57:34,030 Ourselves, it's not. Me pimping the discord, it's 1105 00:57:34,030 --> 00:57:36,270 that. It actually is that. 1106 00:57:38,230 --> 00:57:39,550 It is a. It is. 1107 00:57:39,590 --> 00:57:42,990 Insanely cool because real life people are so hard to get 1108 00:57:42,990 --> 00:57:45,750 together. And so it is great to be like, 1109 00:57:45,750 --> 00:57:48,110 hey, everybody, let's jump in. And you have like, yeah. 1110 00:57:48,510 --> 00:57:51,710 And I've heard people be like, oh, is sometimes is it too? 1111 00:57:51,710 --> 00:57:54,270 Is it too busy? And I'm like, you would think 1112 00:57:54,270 --> 00:57:57,230 that could be a thing. But instead it's just a bunch of 1113 00:57:57,230 --> 00:57:59,590 people having a fucking good time. 1114 00:58:00,110 --> 00:58:02,190 Dude. We've had one argument in the 1115 00:58:02,190 --> 00:58:07,230 past and I was there and it was a drunk person who just happened 1116 00:58:07,230 --> 00:58:10,110 to have a weird vibe. With. 1117 00:58:10,110 --> 00:58:15,150 Everybody and it was hilarious and it it became a joke and 1118 00:58:15,190 --> 00:58:17,630 nobody was arguing. I should say that it was just, 1119 00:58:17,630 --> 00:58:21,190 you could hear the befuddlement, I'll say that in the chat where 1120 00:58:21,190 --> 00:58:24,630 there was some befuddled people going like, what is this person 1121 00:58:24,630 --> 00:58:26,910 talking about? Like, what are they? 1122 00:58:26,950 --> 00:58:29,670 What are they doing and what are they on the bug? 1123 00:58:29,750 --> 00:58:31,430 And yeah. It was awesome. 1124 00:58:31,870 --> 00:58:33,990 It's 5I appreciate our levels, the five. 1125 00:58:33,990 --> 00:58:37,110 Dollar level. For ours yeah 5 bucks and. 1126 00:58:37,110 --> 00:58:39,310 You get it with the YouTube membership too. 1127 00:58:39,310 --> 00:58:40,510 Oh yeah, you get it with YouTube. 1128 00:58:40,510 --> 00:58:41,870 Another option. I always forget that. 1129 00:58:41,990 --> 00:58:43,950 I was going to say I appreciate. It as well like. 1130 00:58:43,950 --> 00:58:45,710 Fucking awesome. Sorry, continue. 1131 00:58:45,710 --> 00:58:49,150 Yeah, no, it it is an easy way. Because sometimes people don't 1132 00:58:49,150 --> 00:58:51,150 want to go to a different platform, right? 1133 00:58:51,590 --> 00:58:56,110 Or they don't like Patreon. So it's pretty low effort. 1134 00:58:56,190 --> 00:58:57,950 Yeah, on YouTube. I was just going to say I 1135 00:58:57,950 --> 00:59:01,750 appreciate sometimes as well where it's people are just 1136 00:59:01,750 --> 00:59:04,710 playing their games and they are just kind of hanging out. 1137 00:59:05,350 --> 00:59:08,590 They're not necessarily talking, but we're all in there. 1138 00:59:08,670 --> 00:59:11,150 We're, you know, we're sharing screen, we're looking at each 1139 00:59:11,150 --> 00:59:13,390 other's games. And when something comes up, 1140 00:59:13,390 --> 00:59:17,510 we'll we'll comment on it. And sometimes people are just 1141 00:59:17,510 --> 00:59:18,830 chilling. It's nice too. 1142 00:59:19,310 --> 00:59:21,830 You don't feel the need, like you always need to carry a 1143 00:59:21,830 --> 00:59:25,150 conversation, you know? Yeah. 1144 00:59:26,630 --> 00:59:28,190 As someone not, this is Oregon fresh. 1145 00:59:28,190 --> 00:59:29,950 Is someone not in there anymore? Because I'm just busy. 1146 00:59:29,950 --> 00:59:31,870 The discord is freaking awesome. All the peeps are good peeps. 1147 00:59:31,870 --> 00:59:33,950 Mucho fun. Yeah, we do notice you're not 1148 00:59:33,950 --> 00:59:36,230 there, but I you've definitely talked about being busy. 1149 00:59:36,230 --> 00:59:37,270 It's always fun having you in there. 1150 00:59:37,470 --> 00:59:41,270 Yeah, we got a guy who knows everything about war, not War 1151 00:59:41,270 --> 00:59:44,110 Thunder. And I love this guy. 1152 00:59:44,470 --> 00:59:48,990 I I want to I want to make sure it's well known in, in Eddie 1153 00:59:48,990 --> 00:59:50,710 Ovault is his name. Love him. 1154 00:59:51,230 --> 00:59:53,830 I got to admit, though, when he first talked, he sounded like 1155 00:59:53,830 --> 00:59:59,110 maybe a South California surfer. He's got that kind of like got a 1156 00:59:59,110 --> 01:00:04,590 lot of vocal fry, very like just very laid back and then. 1157 01:00:05,790 --> 01:00:09,190 I asked him about. What he was playing and it was 1158 01:00:09,190 --> 01:00:15,070 War Thunder and that dude. It it was the most shocking 2. 1159 01:00:15,070 --> 01:00:18,230 Hours of my life. Not only no, he knew everything 1160 01:00:18,230 --> 01:00:20,150 about every weapon the US military had. 1161 01:00:20,350 --> 01:00:26,590 He also then admitted he's doing his like doctorate in. 1162 01:00:26,830 --> 01:00:29,390 AI and AI. Machine learning for robotics. 1163 01:00:29,870 --> 01:00:31,990 And he started talking about stuff and I was just sitting 1164 01:00:31,990 --> 01:00:35,950 there going like. Dude, imagine if you. 1165 01:00:35,950 --> 01:00:39,350 Heard a cockney accent start talking about science, right? 1166 01:00:40,350 --> 01:00:42,990 You'd be like, it doesn't match up right? 1167 01:00:42,990 --> 01:00:45,790 You know sometimes accents don't match what the person saying 1168 01:00:45,790 --> 01:00:47,350 just 'cause you haven't heard it very often. 1169 01:00:47,750 --> 01:00:50,390 That's, I mean, everybody sat. There for a full. 1170 01:00:50,390 --> 01:00:54,230 Fucking like 2 hours listen to this guy just going like whoa 1171 01:00:54,230 --> 01:00:56,190 that's not what I. Expected man it. 1172 01:00:56,190 --> 01:01:00,270 Was so great, man, it was so it it's like Johnny Utah from point 1173 01:01:00,270 --> 01:01:04,030 break trying to explain to you, you know, in depth mathematics 1174 01:01:04,030 --> 01:01:06,070 and robots and we were just like, what the fuck is even 1175 01:01:06,070 --> 01:01:08,910 happening right now? This is so many levels of not 1176 01:01:08,910 --> 01:01:10,350 expected, you know, not expected. 1177 01:01:10,350 --> 01:01:12,670 Moving on from there, though, welcome to the supporter 1178 01:01:12,670 --> 01:01:16,310 discord, access machine XP, by the way, there's there's a entry 1179 01:01:16,310 --> 01:01:18,750 steps you have to take, but you just basically merge your 1180 01:01:18,750 --> 01:01:19,990 account and then you can jump in. 1181 01:01:21,470 --> 01:01:24,430 Let's move on from there, Scotty. 1182 01:01:24,430 --> 01:01:26,910 'S on fire on Twitter, says Can. You guys talk a little bit about 1183 01:01:26,910 --> 01:01:29,030 boomer shooters. Don't forget to talk about any 1184 01:01:29,030 --> 01:01:32,070 hidden gems you know of. No, patrons not. 1185 01:01:32,070 --> 01:01:34,510 Preferred anything? Works YouTube's probably easiest 1186 01:01:34,510 --> 01:01:38,390 for people to be honest. What do we got for boomer 1187 01:01:38,390 --> 01:01:42,510 shooters now? Boomer shooter can mean booming 1188 01:01:43,030 --> 01:01:45,590 big explosions, fast running around Duke Nukem. 1189 01:01:45,630 --> 01:01:48,550 It can mean boomer like they were popular when boomers were 1190 01:01:48,550 --> 01:01:50,470 popular. Which that would be a very 1191 01:01:50,470 --> 01:01:54,030 select series of games. Depends on which slang we're 1192 01:01:54,030 --> 01:01:57,510 using now, but you know your dooms. 1193 01:01:57,630 --> 01:01:58,950 I. Think Doom dark ages is 1194 01:01:58,950 --> 01:02:02,350 fantastic. I think Doom Dark Ages is one of 1195 01:02:02,350 --> 01:02:04,030 my favorites in the last couple years. 1196 01:02:04,030 --> 01:02:08,590 When you are able. That was a huge, huge surprise 1197 01:02:08,590 --> 01:02:10,870 for me. It was very good. 1198 01:02:11,350 --> 01:02:15,030 I'm trying to think if boomer shooter needs to be like old 1199 01:02:15,030 --> 01:02:17,990 graphics, you know, the games that are like catering to the 1200 01:02:17,990 --> 01:02:19,830 old. No, it can be doomed. 1201 01:02:19,830 --> 01:02:21,470 You know, like. Original Doom. 1202 01:02:21,590 --> 01:02:25,630 Painkiller you. Know, yeah, OK, yeah. 1203 01:02:25,630 --> 01:02:28,590 So it's it's bigger. And real bigger than yeah, 1204 01:02:28,750 --> 01:02:33,470 Quake, OK. There's a lot of, I mean. 1205 01:02:33,470 --> 01:02:40,270 Recently the. The Mickey Mouse game. 1206 01:02:40,270 --> 01:02:41,190 It's not Mickey. Mouse. 1207 01:02:41,710 --> 01:02:44,550 But yeah, PIPI mouse. That looked good. 1208 01:02:45,790 --> 01:02:50,230 And I think that that is considered a boomer shooter, you 1209 01:02:50,230 --> 01:02:52,350 know, it fits really neatly into that. 1210 01:02:52,350 --> 01:02:56,270 It looked great, played great. Cool idea. 1211 01:02:56,710 --> 01:02:59,910 Maybe not something I would play right now, but I do like what 1212 01:02:59,910 --> 01:03:03,990 they did with that, Yeah. That's cool for sure. 1213 01:03:04,710 --> 01:03:06,270 Yeah, a lot. Of a lot of good ones. 1214 01:03:06,270 --> 01:03:09,430 I would say a lot of them are in the Pi mouse investigator level. 1215 01:03:09,430 --> 01:03:11,110 They're not. You know Doom is your big one, 1216 01:03:11,110 --> 01:03:13,590 right? Doom's like the the big one that 1217 01:03:13,590 --> 01:03:17,590 people talk about, but there's like 7080 that come out every 1218 01:03:17,590 --> 01:03:21,310 other month from smaller groups. There's even the Warhammer one 1219 01:03:21,710 --> 01:03:23,750 with the female space marine lead. 1220 01:03:23,870 --> 01:03:26,110 I think they're getting a sequel that's definitely a boomer 1221 01:03:26,110 --> 01:03:30,070 shooter. So I like the music ones as. 1222 01:03:30,070 --> 01:03:34,670 Well, the ones where you have to shoot to the music like a. 1223 01:03:34,670 --> 01:03:37,190 Metal health singer. Was a really good one they had 1224 01:03:37,190 --> 01:03:40,390 like some big bands working with them for that. 1225 01:03:41,470 --> 01:03:44,310 Yes, some some of those are pretty good too. 1226 01:03:45,070 --> 01:03:47,830 OK, that's good if. You can you know, if you find a. 1227 01:03:47,830 --> 01:03:52,310 Good rhythm. Question with Bungie, basically. 1228 01:03:52,310 --> 01:03:54,070 Putting Destiny two in a maintenance mode now, do you 1229 01:03:54,070 --> 01:03:56,430 guys think this is the beginning of the end for the forever game 1230 01:03:56,430 --> 01:03:59,590 era or? Are players just finally? 1231 01:03:59,590 --> 01:04:01,710 Exhausted from treating hobbies like second jobs. 1232 01:04:03,310 --> 01:04:05,750 I don't think it's the end, but I think that everybody's seen 1233 01:04:05,750 --> 01:04:08,470 that the competition there's there's too much competition and 1234 01:04:08,470 --> 01:04:11,390 too small of a space because those games aren't purchase and 1235 01:04:11,390 --> 01:04:13,750 leave on your shelf their purchase and be forced to play 1236 01:04:13,750 --> 01:04:17,110 because it may die. There is a huge difference in a 1237 01:04:17,110 --> 01:04:21,470 live service game and it's purchase and it's play and the 1238 01:04:21,470 --> 01:04:22,790 desire. To play it while. 1239 01:04:22,790 --> 01:04:26,710 It's either popular or not shut down or or still in the same 1240 01:04:26,710 --> 01:04:29,950 format and shape. It feels different when you buy 1241 01:04:29,950 --> 01:04:31,670 one than it does when you buy Halo. 1242 01:04:31,990 --> 01:04:36,630 It just does if the and I think that genre is big, but I think 1243 01:04:36,630 --> 01:04:39,670 when you look at the millions of people playing games, if you 1244 01:04:39,670 --> 01:04:44,390 have two shooters that are live service, that is an actual issue 1245 01:04:44,870 --> 01:04:48,310 because they both require usually expertise and length and 1246 01:04:48,790 --> 01:04:50,790 you'd call it grind. I don't necessarily think 1247 01:04:50,790 --> 01:04:54,150 they're all grindy, but you know, you just run out of time, 1248 01:04:54,150 --> 01:04:55,950 right? It doesn't sit in your steam 1249 01:04:56,230 --> 01:04:59,070 library. It because it could go away, at 1250 01:04:59,070 --> 01:05:03,070 least right now until, you know, we figure out what devs are 1251 01:05:03,070 --> 01:05:05,590 doing for live service games. Yeah. 1252 01:05:05,830 --> 01:05:09,630 So there's kind of a a. Big line where a game becomes a 1253 01:05:09,630 --> 01:05:15,990 forever online like Warframe, Wow, all the, you know, all 1254 01:05:15,990 --> 01:05:18,350 these games that are now here to stay. 1255 01:05:18,350 --> 01:05:22,750 And we know that, but there's a line somewhere. 1256 01:05:23,150 --> 01:05:25,790 It's not clear. Maybe, you know, is it a year? 1257 01:05:26,350 --> 01:05:29,430 If the game is still doing well after a year, maybe you start 1258 01:05:29,430 --> 01:05:31,630 thinking, yeah, this is here to stay. 1259 01:05:33,870 --> 01:05:35,510 Johnny, I think a lot of they're very. 1260 01:05:35,830 --> 01:05:37,830 Used also. In in the fact. 1261 01:05:37,830 --> 01:05:41,990 Of most games require sequels if they continue to do well in the 1262 01:05:41,990 --> 01:05:44,310 original and live service, Yeah, that's tough too. 1263 01:05:44,310 --> 01:05:46,270 Or opposite. That so. 1264 01:05:46,270 --> 01:05:48,990 Imagine how weird it is to be. Let's say you're doing division. 1265 01:05:50,310 --> 01:05:52,030 You're doing. Division and. 1266 01:05:52,030 --> 01:05:56,430 Then suddenly you're like, oh, our engine, we can do some stuff 1267 01:05:56,430 --> 01:06:00,390 in division. Do we do Division two or do we 1268 01:06:01,110 --> 01:06:03,750 stay in Division One? They did Division two, but look 1269 01:06:03,750 --> 01:06:06,870 at how long Division twos lasted and even they've stated, well, 1270 01:06:06,870 --> 01:06:09,750 every time we think about, you know, fully going into Division 1271 01:06:09,750 --> 01:06:11,870 Three, we're sort of stuck in division. 1272 01:06:11,950 --> 01:06:13,510 We're still stuck in Division two. 1273 01:06:14,230 --> 01:06:16,270 And the idea of how do you move forward? 1274 01:06:16,270 --> 01:06:20,070 How do you move into something like it's not the same as if you 1275 01:06:20,070 --> 01:06:22,750 have a really good single player game or even a good multiplayer, 1276 01:06:22,750 --> 01:06:24,190 but it's got a single player component. 1277 01:06:24,430 --> 01:06:27,630 You think of a sequel, Titanfall one, let's do Titanfall 2. 1278 01:06:27,630 --> 01:06:31,550 But if Titanfall one had been online service game, that 1279 01:06:31,550 --> 01:06:34,230 company would have had to decide, do we kill it? 1280 01:06:34,230 --> 01:06:37,830 And by the way, look no further than GTA5 to see what I'm 1281 01:06:37,830 --> 01:06:42,190 talking about, because GTA5 is going to have a huge hassle on 1282 01:06:42,190 --> 01:06:44,830 their hands trying to figure out yeah, they are on the same on 1283 01:06:44,830 --> 01:06:47,510 the same. Rut they are, they have a. 1284 01:06:47,590 --> 01:06:52,270 Very, very few games have done. This successfully by the way, 1285 01:06:52,270 --> 01:06:58,710 like Overwatch 2 did manage to pull it off where Overwatch 2 1286 01:06:58,710 --> 01:07:03,270 pretty much is. You know, everybody from 1287 01:07:03,270 --> 01:07:05,870 Overwatch jumped over and that worked. 1288 01:07:05,990 --> 01:07:07,350 And didn't they force them hard though? 1289 01:07:07,550 --> 01:07:10,070 Didn't Overwatch have all the weird stuff where they forced 1290 01:07:10,070 --> 01:07:10,830 them? So did they. 1291 01:07:10,830 --> 01:07:14,630 Jump or were they pushed right? I mean, they were pushed, but 1292 01:07:14,710 --> 01:07:15,350 they. Jumped. 1293 01:07:15,710 --> 01:07:17,670 It worked in the end. Yeah. 1294 01:07:17,670 --> 01:07:19,710 Like when you push me somebody. Somebody leaps off. 1295 01:07:19,710 --> 01:07:22,950 Into the water. After they were pushed or like 1296 01:07:22,950 --> 01:07:26,190 if? In hindsight, they are happy for 1297 01:07:26,190 --> 01:07:31,390 having been pushed, kind of. When they think back, I think I 1298 01:07:31,390 --> 01:07:33,830 am. On some games, I am. 1299 01:07:34,230 --> 01:07:37,910 Sometimes when you just cut it clean, you cut the cord and you 1300 01:07:37,910 --> 01:07:40,070 move on. It can be, it can feel good. 1301 01:07:40,590 --> 01:07:42,390 It's like cleaning your house, you know? 1302 01:07:44,230 --> 01:07:46,870 Question if? GTA6 really hits in November. 1303 01:07:46,870 --> 01:07:49,910 What's the one tiny everyday detail you hope Rockstar nails 1304 01:07:49,910 --> 01:07:52,350 that would make the world feel next level alive? 1305 01:07:53,710 --> 01:07:54,670 That's a good. Question. 1306 01:07:54,910 --> 01:08:03,670 So what's? It is 5 did a lot what though 1307 01:08:03,830 --> 01:08:08,630 what in six would be something that like oh. 1308 01:08:08,670 --> 01:08:12,670 I know more. Animals like people walking dogs 1309 01:08:12,790 --> 01:08:15,830 in the street or like maybe you can have. 1310 01:08:16,229 --> 01:08:18,710 Different pets. Pets, I think that that is. 1311 01:08:18,710 --> 01:08:22,590 Something you see in every city and we don't see, and it, you 1312 01:08:22,590 --> 01:08:24,790 know, it can feel weird. Children. 1313 01:08:25,229 --> 01:08:28,270 More children in the game. Now, admittedly this Yeah, 1314 01:08:28,710 --> 01:08:30,710 children are tough to do in those. 1315 01:08:30,710 --> 01:08:32,830 Games. You know what's funny is that we 1316 01:08:32,830 --> 01:08:35,470 are. So warped as a society, as a 1317 01:08:35,470 --> 01:08:39,350 world that we're like, oh, it's OK to shoot the guy who's 21, 1318 01:08:39,910 --> 01:08:41,470 but I'm not. I don't want to shoot the person 1319 01:08:41,470 --> 01:08:43,270 who's not the kid younger and you're. 1320 01:08:43,270 --> 01:08:46,069 Like I get. It I do get it, I understand, 1321 01:08:46,069 --> 01:08:49,390 But it's like at the same time with games, it is weird that, 1322 01:08:49,390 --> 01:08:53,350 you know, you can drive over a bunch of people in your Corvette 1323 01:08:53,590 --> 01:08:56,390 and nobody bats an eye. But if that was some other 1324 01:08:56,390 --> 01:08:58,430 place, you're like, Oh my God, this is now unacceptable. 1325 01:08:58,430 --> 01:09:04,790 It's yeah, we have weird. Lines even like stuff where very 1326 01:09:06,229 --> 01:09:10,950 explicit violence is OK in the show or in the game, but 1327 01:09:11,670 --> 01:09:17,109 sexuality isn't especially like in kind of like Western context. 1328 01:09:17,229 --> 01:09:20,550 Yeah, maybe not European, but if you have like a nipple, you know 1329 01:09:20,550 --> 01:09:24,910 he that's unacceptable, right? Has to be covered though it does 1330 01:09:24,910 --> 01:09:29,069 seem like both. European and American and other 1331 01:09:29,069 --> 01:09:33,029 nations have sort of gone away out of that in the last like 10 1332 01:09:33,029 --> 01:09:34,510 years. I think Spartacus started a 1333 01:09:34,510 --> 01:09:37,270 great deal of it, even though that was, I think so, HBO. 1334 01:09:37,590 --> 01:09:40,870 HPONYPD. Blue showed a butt crack of a 1335 01:09:40,870 --> 01:09:43,670 guy and people were beside themselves and now you got oh 1336 01:09:43,710 --> 01:09:45,830 wow and euphoria. Showing like. 1337 01:09:46,229 --> 01:09:48,750 Oh, euphoria, Yeah, you know. Even though there's a pay. 1338 01:09:48,830 --> 01:09:52,910 They're still, they're still available in that box or on your 1339 01:09:52,910 --> 01:09:56,750 PC, you know, with the with the streaming service, it's easier 1340 01:09:56,750 --> 01:09:59,910 to get to than say, Skinny Max used to be or something like 1341 01:09:59,910 --> 01:10:01,830 that. So, yeah, yeah, lots of 1342 01:10:01,830 --> 01:10:03,150 different things when it comes to that. 1343 01:10:03,150 --> 01:10:07,510 But let's see, moving on from there, we got more questions. 1344 01:10:07,510 --> 01:10:08,550 I'm going to get through these fast. 1345 01:10:08,550 --> 01:10:11,350 Are License games becoming exciting again now that studios 1346 01:10:11,350 --> 01:10:15,150 seem more interested in making real games instead of quick tie 1347 01:10:15,150 --> 01:10:16,910 insurance? This is based on Lego. 1348 01:10:17,270 --> 01:10:20,350 And they put another game in there and I damn it. 1349 01:10:20,350 --> 01:10:23,470 Oh, bond, bond. So are license. 1350 01:10:23,470 --> 01:10:24,990 Games becoming. Exciting again. 1351 01:10:29,230 --> 01:10:30,790 I'm pretty sure they were always exciting. 1352 01:10:30,790 --> 01:10:32,350 They just. Weren't always good. 1353 01:10:33,790 --> 01:10:35,230 Yeah, I think that was the problem. 1354 01:10:35,510 --> 01:10:40,750 That traditionally games from a. Movie or something were just. 1355 01:10:40,750 --> 01:10:42,510 Bad. And then we had that 1356 01:10:42,510 --> 01:10:46,030 association, and that's kind of been breaking over the years. 1357 01:10:46,070 --> 01:10:49,070 You know, it's been better and better, yeah. 1358 01:10:50,350 --> 01:10:52,590 Next up, how many failed multiplayer? 1359 01:10:52,590 --> 01:10:55,070 Projects does Sony need before they realize people bought 1360 01:10:55,070 --> 01:10:57,990 PlayStation for big single player games and not another 1361 01:10:57,990 --> 01:10:59,750 hero shooter that dies Six months. 1362 01:11:00,030 --> 01:11:03,350 That's pretty negative. I mean. 1363 01:11:04,630 --> 01:11:06,350 They're realizing. It now we'll just. 1364 01:11:06,350 --> 01:11:09,870 Leave it at that. I think so. 1365 01:11:09,870 --> 01:11:13,670 Do you think that is a change they will make? 1366 01:11:13,670 --> 01:11:19,350 They will be willing to just cut the multiplayer pipeline and 1367 01:11:19,350 --> 01:11:20,790 focus back. On single. 1368 01:11:20,790 --> 01:11:25,630 Player I think Concorde and. Arcane's the the red fall. 1369 01:11:25,630 --> 01:11:28,190 I think both those showed that these companies are OK with snip 1370 01:11:28,190 --> 01:11:31,630 in the cord and just saying it didn't it didn't work. 1371 01:11:32,710 --> 01:11:34,150 It didn't work. Yeah. 1372 01:11:34,670 --> 01:11:37,270 And I mean. Some multiplayer stuff worked. 1373 01:11:37,310 --> 01:11:39,470 Sorry Go. Many things do, but when 1374 01:11:39,470 --> 01:11:41,630 something. Doesn't work and you lose 200 1375 01:11:41,630 --> 01:11:43,950 million and you just say it didn't work. 1376 01:11:43,950 --> 01:11:47,870 That's a that is a massive signal to everybody and all the 1377 01:11:47,870 --> 01:11:50,910 other developers going, OK, maybe that's not what we should 1378 01:11:50,910 --> 01:11:52,870 be doing now. I think a lot of developers want 1379 01:11:52,870 --> 01:11:55,550 to make smaller stuff too, or stuff that comes out quicker, 1380 01:11:55,750 --> 01:11:59,110 more quickly. Josh Sawyer for Obsidian did 1381 01:11:59,110 --> 01:12:01,350 Pentiment. I think those kind of games 1382 01:12:01,550 --> 01:12:04,230 where you may get a company that's like, hey, we have this 1383 01:12:04,230 --> 01:12:09,350 big company, but do we, What if we have 5 games that cost the 1384 01:12:09,350 --> 01:12:12,910 cost of one game, but one of those games does well, really 1385 01:12:12,910 --> 01:12:15,150 well. That could actually easily 1386 01:12:15,150 --> 01:12:18,030 offset all of the other games. Look at some of the sales on 1387 01:12:18,030 --> 01:12:21,350 some of these games. We're talking 3,000,004 million, 1388 01:12:21,350 --> 01:12:25,390 5 million for a $40 game that only pays for that game by a 1389 01:12:25,390 --> 01:12:27,550 great amount. It pays for development in the 1390 01:12:27,550 --> 01:12:29,350 future. Even though Peter doesn't 1391 01:12:29,350 --> 01:12:32,470 always, you know, Rob Paul to pay Susan kind of thing, you can 1392 01:12:32,470 --> 01:12:36,390 still you can still say, hey, maybe we should be an incubator 1393 01:12:36,390 --> 01:12:38,630 versus. And by the way, eraser didn't 1394 01:12:38,630 --> 01:12:40,750 have a terrible idea. They did it terribly and they 1395 01:12:40,750 --> 01:12:44,630 had the biggest failure in all of gaming with the Saudi group 1396 01:12:44,630 --> 01:12:48,390 not investing in them, but their idea, which is that like 1397 01:12:48,390 --> 01:12:52,870 Darksiders Genesis, we're going to make smaller games that are 1398 01:12:53,110 --> 01:12:56,710 pretty good and it. Worked for a couple of their. 1399 01:12:56,710 --> 01:13:02,190 Games, it's just they were, it was an investor who owned it and 1400 01:13:02,190 --> 01:13:05,590 that was your problem. You don't want investors running 1401 01:13:05,590 --> 01:13:08,630 your company because an investor has to sell to make money. 1402 01:13:09,110 --> 01:13:12,230 So they grow it as big as possible to sell it to make 1403 01:13:12,230 --> 01:13:14,430 money. You sort. 1404 01:13:14,430 --> 01:13:17,630 Of want a Sony? A Nintendo, yes, even a 1405 01:13:17,630 --> 01:13:21,310 Microsoft. Who wants to stay there dude if 1406 01:13:21,310 --> 01:13:23,110 they want the long term. Returns. 1407 01:13:23,110 --> 01:13:26,790 Can we agree on one thing? Despite people hating all these 1408 01:13:26,790 --> 01:13:28,230 companies, can we agree on one thing? 1409 01:13:28,470 --> 01:13:31,550 If there was any company in the world who shows that they do 1410 01:13:31,550 --> 01:13:33,110 want to be somewhere, it is Microsoft. 1411 01:13:33,190 --> 01:13:34,750 Because they could have left a long time ago. 1412 01:13:35,510 --> 01:13:38,110 There's multiple times they've had failures and they're still 1413 01:13:38,110 --> 01:13:39,910 there. So they see that there's a 1414 01:13:39,910 --> 01:13:43,470 future there and you got it. Regardless of anything else they 1415 01:13:43,470 --> 01:13:44,990 could have pulled out, they could have. 1416 01:13:44,990 --> 01:13:46,150 Pulled out a long time ago, yeah. 1417 01:13:46,470 --> 01:13:50,190 Yeah, of gaming. I like how you added that, Yeah. 1418 01:13:51,590 --> 01:13:54,030 Another question. Has anybody stopped buying giant 1419 01:13:54,030 --> 01:13:57,710 open world games Because just seeing 120 hour map checklist 1420 01:13:57,710 --> 01:14:02,310 now feels mentally exhausting. No, I mean. 1421 01:14:03,350 --> 01:14:04,990 No. I think it can. 1422 01:14:04,990 --> 01:14:11,310 Feel that way, right, but, but, but it's it's more granular than 1423 01:14:11,310 --> 01:14:12,950 that. It's not that it feels that way 1424 01:14:12,950 --> 01:14:15,790 because of that design. It's because the game maybe 1425 01:14:15,790 --> 01:14:17,550 wasn't good or didn't speak to you. 1426 01:14:17,990 --> 01:14:21,110 I think that's strictly it. And it's the same when we talked 1427 01:14:21,110 --> 01:14:24,270 about hub worlds. It's like, is it a good game? 1428 01:14:24,390 --> 01:14:27,270 Does that format enhance the game? 1429 01:14:27,270 --> 01:14:30,750 You know, like, does it work to elevate the game? 1430 01:14:30,750 --> 01:14:34,190 And then the times where it does, we feel like, yeah, that's 1431 01:14:34,190 --> 01:14:36,070 that feels good. That feels right. 1432 01:14:36,390 --> 01:14:42,950 And we've had, you know, really good, super big open world games 1433 01:14:44,030 --> 01:14:46,790 both recently and and prior times. 1434 01:14:47,910 --> 01:14:51,030 Oregon said something. I think Crimson Desert shows 1435 01:14:51,110 --> 01:14:53,430 Nope, we're not tired. Yeah. 1436 01:14:53,710 --> 01:14:55,190 It it, it, it. That's a good. 1437 01:14:55,550 --> 01:14:58,150 That's a good example. Crimson Desert. 1438 01:14:58,230 --> 01:15:02,590 I would say the majority of people I know probably 99.9% 1439 01:15:02,590 --> 01:15:06,190 haven't beat it, haven't even come close and still got 46 1440 01:15:06,430 --> 01:15:07,430 meetings. They. 1441 01:15:07,590 --> 01:15:09,110 They could have beat it in that amount of. 1442 01:15:09,110 --> 01:15:11,110 Time and they chose not to because they were just having a 1443 01:15:11,110 --> 01:15:14,590 good time playing a game. I mean, I know this is anti what 1444 01:15:14,590 --> 01:15:18,430 everybody believes, but I think the gamification and the 1445 01:15:18,550 --> 01:15:25,830 achievements have ruined a great deal of the way people think of 1446 01:15:25,830 --> 01:15:28,470 games. It's, it is, it is, it is 1447 01:15:28,510 --> 01:15:33,230 absolutely unnatural. Imagine playing, most people 1448 01:15:33,230 --> 01:15:35,870 don't play Monopoly to own every single land. 1449 01:15:36,390 --> 01:15:38,710 They play Monopoly to own a certain amount and invest in 1450 01:15:38,710 --> 01:15:41,070 those amounts. But if you start playing it with 1451 01:15:41,070 --> 01:15:43,870 the idea that I need to own every single thing, that's a 1452 01:15:43,870 --> 01:15:46,270 different style of game and it becomes a little monotonous. 1453 01:15:46,510 --> 01:15:49,070 And I think when you jump into an open world game, if you see a 1454 01:15:49,070 --> 01:15:52,790 bunch of icons, and I hate those, I see the map mess, but 1455 01:15:52,790 --> 01:15:55,910 it doesn't mean I have to do them it at all. 1456 01:15:55,950 --> 01:15:59,470 And in fact, why would I? How how many times is there a 1457 01:15:59,470 --> 01:16:02,430 restaurant out there, Johnny, that you know of be honest? 1458 01:16:02,630 --> 01:16:05,230 Is there a restaurant out there that every single food in the 1459 01:16:05,230 --> 01:16:07,630 restaurant, every single dish is 1 You like? 1460 01:16:07,790 --> 01:16:09,910 No, No. Yeah. 1461 01:16:09,910 --> 01:16:10,950 No, definitely not. I don't. 1462 01:16:10,950 --> 01:16:14,230 Need to check. The box of like that I've had. 1463 01:16:14,910 --> 01:16:15,950 Their whole sauce. I don't. 1464 01:16:16,710 --> 01:16:20,390 Know, yeah. I don't need to check that box 1465 01:16:20,390 --> 01:16:21,630 dude. Yeah, yeah. 1466 01:16:21,790 --> 01:16:23,270 It's like I told you a couple weeks ago. 1467 01:16:23,270 --> 01:16:25,430 Nobody. Has two favorite Chinese food 1468 01:16:25,430 --> 01:16:26,350 restaurants. Man. 1469 01:16:26,630 --> 01:16:31,230 Like you don't need that kind of stuff if you remove some people. 1470 01:16:31,230 --> 01:16:35,870 Have some people have that drive, like maybe it's a 1471 01:16:35,870 --> 01:16:39,910 compulsion or like I, I need to complete stuff that's more of a 1472 01:16:39,910 --> 01:16:45,390 personal thing and maybe that comes with its own reward. 1473 01:16:45,390 --> 01:16:47,470 When you do it, you know. You get a kick out of it. 1474 01:16:47,470 --> 01:16:52,030 That's also a positive in a way that maybe you and I don't get. 1475 01:16:52,030 --> 01:16:54,430 So it's kind of balanced in that way. 1476 01:16:54,670 --> 01:16:57,670 But yeah, I would say, and even just the idea of having to 1477 01:16:57,670 --> 01:17:02,670 finish a game to warrant the purchase, I don't believe in 1478 01:17:02,670 --> 01:17:05,590 that because I really think if you spent your time there, you 1479 01:17:05,590 --> 01:17:08,510 had a great time. Even if you didn't finish it for 1480 01:17:08,510 --> 01:17:12,190 whatever reason, that doesn't detract from the experience you 1481 01:17:12,190 --> 01:17:16,630 had and that that's just another arbitrary check mark, you know, 1482 01:17:16,630 --> 01:17:21,430 did you finish it or not? That doesn't really, I mean, it 1483 01:17:21,430 --> 01:17:24,510 can be great. Other times it's it's really not 1484 01:17:24,510 --> 01:17:27,590 that memorable. So I I don't think Harry 1485 01:17:27,710 --> 01:17:31,390 finishing a game right. Exactly, it was. 1486 01:17:31,390 --> 01:17:33,590 I don't even know it was. All about the journey, Yeah. 1487 01:17:33,830 --> 01:17:35,910 I mean dude. There's something. 1488 01:17:37,390 --> 01:17:39,070 It's a little. Like Steam libraries? 1489 01:17:39,070 --> 01:17:41,510 There's something, and there's a little bit like snipping the 1490 01:17:41,510 --> 01:17:43,590 cord going from 1:00 to 2:00 that we talked about. 1491 01:17:43,590 --> 01:17:46,630 There's something and that feels great about going into my Steam 1492 01:17:46,630 --> 01:17:48,390 library and just hiding games forever. 1493 01:17:48,590 --> 01:17:50,270 I don't need that game. I'm never going to play it. 1494 01:17:50,670 --> 01:17:53,070 I don't want to even feel the desire to play it 'cause I'm not 1495 01:17:53,070 --> 01:17:55,030 going to, you know, like I played a little bit and didn't 1496 01:17:55,030 --> 01:17:56,310 like it. Whatever, turn it off. 1497 01:17:56,750 --> 01:18:01,270 I think the greatest thing with all of this is the ability and I 1498 01:18:01,270 --> 01:18:04,270 hope that as we change and we start to see them talking, 1499 01:18:04,270 --> 01:18:08,390 they're all companies seem to be gamifying even more now and 1500 01:18:08,550 --> 01:18:09,750 we're not talking about just the games. 1501 01:18:09,750 --> 01:18:12,190 This is even worse. If it's in the game, it's one 1502 01:18:12,190 --> 01:18:15,950 thing I don't I do not mind in the game stuff. 1503 01:18:16,030 --> 01:18:19,270 I don't even mind Ubisoft in a way because they give you stuff 1504 01:18:19,270 --> 01:18:22,590 to get with other games. But an arbitrary crystal that 1505 01:18:22,590 --> 01:18:26,910 pops up to tell me I got a rare achievement is infuriating. 1506 01:18:27,670 --> 01:18:31,270 And I thought on ATV device recently where the TV was like 1507 01:18:31,270 --> 01:18:35,790 you watched 120 hours of Ice Rd. truckers and dude I'm like turn 1508 01:18:35,790 --> 01:18:38,790 that shit off. You don't need to be reminded 1509 01:18:38,790 --> 01:18:41,070 all the time of that stuff. And a game is a game by itself 1510 01:18:41,070 --> 01:18:45,230 without the gamification of you swung your sword 100 times, you 1511 01:18:45,230 --> 01:18:49,190 turned on Barbie and got 100 points for having the main menu 1512 01:18:49,190 --> 01:18:50,950 play. Like, that's ridiculous. 1513 01:18:51,150 --> 01:18:53,830 By the way, there's a bunch of games that if you play the 1514 01:18:53,830 --> 01:18:56,390 credits, it'll give you even though the credits are in the 1515 01:18:56,390 --> 01:18:58,870 main menu now, not at the end of the game. 1516 01:18:59,230 --> 01:19:02,270 If you hit the main, if you hit the credits, it'll give you an 1517 01:19:02,270 --> 01:19:04,310 achievement for watching the credits. 1518 01:19:04,390 --> 01:19:07,550 It's like, yeah. Let's. 1519 01:19:07,550 --> 01:19:12,230 See, Does gaming feel more miserable online lately? 1520 01:19:12,270 --> 01:19:15,510 Lately because the industry is genuinely in trouble or because 1521 01:19:15,510 --> 01:19:18,030 outrage farming has completely taken over gaming discussion. 1522 01:19:18,790 --> 01:19:21,870 So I don't think it means gaming because that would be gaming, 1523 01:19:22,030 --> 01:19:24,550 but gaming discussion feel more miserable. 1524 01:19:26,910 --> 01:19:29,430 Yeah. Yeah, gaming discussion, yeah, 1525 01:19:31,390 --> 01:19:36,670 yeah, I would say. I would say also because a lot. 1526 01:19:36,670 --> 01:19:39,670 Of people will say, you'll hear somebody say this person says 1527 01:19:39,670 --> 01:19:41,590 something dumb, but I let him get away with it because I just 1528 01:19:41,590 --> 01:19:44,230 don't want to fight them. And if everybody is choosing not 1529 01:19:44,230 --> 01:19:46,670 to fight because stupid people say stuff, the only people 1530 01:19:46,670 --> 01:19:48,030 saying stuff will be stupid people. 1531 01:19:48,030 --> 01:19:50,030 And that's all you'll be reading, which will make you 1532 01:19:50,030 --> 01:19:51,830 feel like the world is even more stupid. 1533 01:19:53,830 --> 01:19:56,550 By the you know you can't. Retreat on some stuff. 1534 01:19:56,550 --> 01:20:00,830 Some stuff you need to put your foot down and be like, no. 1535 01:20:00,950 --> 01:20:02,470 That's that's. Incorrect. 1536 01:20:04,030 --> 01:20:06,870 But I think it's hard. There's a, you know. 1537 01:20:06,870 --> 01:20:09,590 How many people are on? How many people are on Facebook? 1538 01:20:09,590 --> 01:20:14,550 How many people are on Twitter? And the majority or a large 1539 01:20:14,550 --> 01:20:19,270 amount are going to only react to the bad stuff, you know? 1540 01:20:19,910 --> 01:20:21,710 Yeah, I I think that's the problem. 1541 01:20:21,710 --> 01:20:26,150 Is that the bias is towards the negativity a lot of the time 1542 01:20:26,470 --> 01:20:31,750 because that rewards the. The the people putting it. 1543 01:20:31,750 --> 01:20:34,190 Out right because it generates engagement. 1544 01:20:36,070 --> 01:20:38,110 That it's a tough incentive. Model. 1545 01:20:38,590 --> 01:20:42,750 It's one of the reasons why. When people can tell when I'm 1546 01:20:42,750 --> 01:20:45,790 mad or whatever, because I will free and they'll I'll get people 1547 01:20:45,790 --> 01:20:48,030 mad at you and I they'll be like, Oh yeah, they didn't bitch 1548 01:20:48,030 --> 01:20:49,510 about blah, blah, blah. And I'm like, because there was 1549 01:20:49,510 --> 01:20:52,230 no, that is not something that there was to bitch about. 1550 01:20:52,230 --> 01:20:55,110 I'm not going to arbitrarily bitch, but when I do bitch about 1551 01:20:55,110 --> 01:20:56,990 something, you'll know and you'll hear it. 1552 01:20:57,270 --> 01:20:59,550 I'm not going to rage farm. I don't have time to do a video 1553 01:20:59,550 --> 01:21:01,790 and be we need to talk. No, we fucking don't need to 1554 01:21:01,790 --> 01:21:03,310 talk. We don't need to talk. 1555 01:21:03,350 --> 01:21:05,950 It's idiotic. How many launchers does the 1556 01:21:05,950 --> 01:21:09,390 average PC Gamer realistically tolerate before they just stop 1557 01:21:09,390 --> 01:21:12,390 caring about exclusives entirely and wait for Steam releases? 1558 01:21:12,790 --> 01:21:15,630 Zero. If you can't click a shortcut on 1559 01:21:15,630 --> 01:21:18,630 the PC that you bought because your PC does every fucking thing 1560 01:21:18,630 --> 01:21:20,750 in the world and you tell everybody it's a multitasking 1561 01:21:20,750 --> 01:21:23,910 machine that can do anything in the world and yet you the human 1562 01:21:23,910 --> 01:21:27,110 are not capable of clicking another shortcut, you're the 1563 01:21:27,110 --> 01:21:29,750 problem. Sorry, we're done with that. 1564 01:21:29,790 --> 01:21:31,710 I'm done with that. If you can't click a shortcut, 1565 01:21:31,790 --> 01:21:32,870 we're fucking. Done. 1566 01:21:33,430 --> 01:21:35,950 That's idiotic. And if you believe that. 1567 01:21:35,950 --> 01:21:38,710 Valve. Is great, go look at how much 1568 01:21:38,710 --> 01:21:41,750 money they take from developers and they still can't figure the 1569 01:21:41,750 --> 01:21:43,590 shit out. They just added some tags and 1570 01:21:43,590 --> 01:21:45,830 people were celebrating like this is the end of the world. 1571 01:21:46,550 --> 01:21:49,630 It's I hate cults. Man I hate. 1572 01:21:49,630 --> 01:21:53,870 Them cult of Apple, cult of Valve, those two cults, I want 1573 01:21:53,870 --> 01:21:56,510 torn down. I want torn fucking down. 1574 01:21:57,150 --> 01:21:58,790 And I don't even want them torn down and destroyed. 1575 01:21:58,790 --> 01:22:01,350 I just want people to look at it and go, yeah, you know what? 1576 01:22:01,950 --> 01:22:08,190 They're they're dude. Anyway, I mean I. 1577 01:22:08,190 --> 01:22:11,750 Get the convenience. I'm the first person who, if a 1578 01:22:11,750 --> 01:22:16,070 game is like on Steam or Xbox Store, I'll probably get it on 1579 01:22:16,070 --> 01:22:18,630 Steam. You know that I prefer that. 1580 01:22:19,070 --> 01:22:25,030 But the idea of one additional launcher, I think people blow it 1581 01:22:25,030 --> 01:22:28,590 out of proportion because, yeah, because what is it? 1582 01:22:28,590 --> 01:22:32,110 Is it 3 launchers you have like now you? 1583 01:22:32,110 --> 01:22:34,110 Have like maybe? You got 1/4. 1584 01:22:34,870 --> 01:22:37,990 Come on guys, it's OK. You can have four shortcuts, 1585 01:22:38,470 --> 01:22:40,110 right? And, and very often you don't 1586 01:22:40,110 --> 01:22:43,910 have the launcher shortcut. You just have the game shortcut 1587 01:22:44,030 --> 01:22:45,790 and then that boots up the launcher. 1588 01:22:45,790 --> 01:22:48,910 You know, I just think it's a, it's a bit of a nothing burger. 1589 01:22:49,110 --> 01:22:53,790 It's a bit of a dead argument. And it's part and parcel of 1590 01:22:53,910 --> 01:22:56,510 today. And honestly we wouldn't have it 1591 01:22:56,510 --> 01:23:00,790 any other way because that allows for competition between 1592 01:23:00,790 --> 01:23:04,110 these different platforms and even Steam being as big as they 1593 01:23:04,110 --> 01:23:08,510 are, they are forced to to do some like consumer friendly 1594 01:23:08,510 --> 01:23:12,190 stuff to keep up with these other outlets. 1595 01:23:14,950 --> 01:23:18,790 Yeah, yeah, Lucas on says we guys actually discuss games 1596 01:23:18,790 --> 01:23:20,230 tonight. I mean, we've literally 1597 01:23:20,230 --> 01:23:22,590 discussed games for the last like 3 hours. 1598 01:23:22,590 --> 01:23:25,270 In fact, we've been answering questions about games for the 1599 01:23:25,270 --> 01:23:28,310 last three hours, so God damn I can discuss. 1600 01:23:28,510 --> 01:23:29,790 Headphones. Cause apparently. 1601 01:23:29,870 --> 01:23:31,550 Apparently your headphones. Don't work. 1602 01:23:31,550 --> 01:23:33,710 Buy some $5 headphones. Turn them on. 1603 01:23:33,710 --> 01:23:35,030 You'll be able to hear us talk about games. 1604 01:23:36,310 --> 01:23:37,150 Yeah, that's. Stupid. 1605 01:23:37,470 --> 01:23:40,390 It's like you're. Talking about games, I don't. 1606 01:23:40,390 --> 01:23:42,990 Mind the cult of ACG. We don't really have a cult. 1607 01:23:42,990 --> 01:23:46,390 What I've noticed about us is people are pretty. 1608 01:23:46,510 --> 01:23:49,510 People are well, we we. Probably did. 1609 01:23:50,150 --> 01:23:53,310 But I've tried to purposely destroy them, so I don't really 1610 01:23:53,310 --> 01:23:55,310 like it. I think a cult is the one of the 1611 01:23:55,310 --> 01:23:58,750 worst things about a cult is that if you have a bunch of yes 1612 01:23:58,750 --> 01:24:02,430 men, you might make the biggest mistake of your life. 1613 01:24:04,150 --> 01:24:08,310 You might make the biggest. Mistake of your life if that's 1614 01:24:08,310 --> 01:24:12,110 one of the things I I. Respect about you because I, I 1615 01:24:12,110 --> 01:24:16,230 know if I'm off my rocker, you will call me out on it. 1616 01:24:16,310 --> 01:24:22,150 You'll be like, listen, Johnny, listen, buddy, like, no, you're 1617 01:24:22,150 --> 01:24:23,390 full. Of shit on that one you. 1618 01:24:23,590 --> 01:24:26,390 You got to have you I. Mean Absie does it to me. 1619 01:24:26,390 --> 01:24:27,550 Sometimes I'll be saying something. 1620 01:24:27,550 --> 01:24:32,150 It's like, dude, what? You know, Like you have to have 1621 01:24:32,150 --> 01:24:32,870 it. Man you. 1622 01:24:32,870 --> 01:24:36,910 Have to because if you if you don't, you will make a mistake 1623 01:24:37,190 --> 01:24:40,590 and and what's funny is think about it this way. 1624 01:24:40,870 --> 01:24:44,790 Wouldn't it make sense scientifically that the worst? 1625 01:24:44,790 --> 01:24:45,670 Mistake. You're going to. 1626 01:24:45,670 --> 01:24:50,270 Make when you don't have a yes man or a a no man, when you 1627 01:24:50,270 --> 01:24:54,310 don't have a Steve, the worst mistake you'll make is going to 1628 01:24:54,310 --> 01:24:56,630 be that time when you most need it. 1629 01:24:56,710 --> 01:24:59,190 Obviously, you know, that's just the way this all works. 1630 01:24:59,190 --> 01:25:01,910 If you look at it like sort of a mathematical calculation, 1631 01:25:01,910 --> 01:25:05,910 that'll be the time you need somebody there who says, dude, 1632 01:25:05,910 --> 01:25:09,390 don't date that girl and and. Maybe they're wrong. 1633 01:25:09,710 --> 01:25:12,270 But it gives you a moment of thought, man, where you can sort 1634 01:25:12,270 --> 01:25:14,270 of look and go, well, why is this person saying this? 1635 01:25:14,270 --> 01:25:17,790 And you don't have to always take their opinion or whatever, 1636 01:25:17,790 --> 01:25:22,150 but it's like in Twitter, you'll see somebody be like, oh man, I 1637 01:25:22,150 --> 01:25:25,070 had a hard day today because I told my boss to fuck off. 1638 01:25:25,390 --> 01:25:28,430 And people be like, man, you go, girl, you're brave. 1639 01:25:28,470 --> 01:25:30,550 And be like, dude, why did you tell your boss to fuck off? 1640 01:25:30,630 --> 01:25:34,110 Like, are you fucking? Are you incapable of walking 1641 01:25:34,110 --> 01:25:39,430 outside and being an adult and maybe not blathering to your 1642 01:25:39,430 --> 01:25:42,670 boss and just openly like you should have a friend who's like, 1643 01:25:42,670 --> 01:25:45,070 no, you probably shouldn't do that, dude, You should probably 1644 01:25:45,310 --> 01:25:46,830 give me a second. I'll be right back. 1645 01:25:46,870 --> 01:25:48,550 Yeah, no worries, he said. He had to. 1646 01:25:48,550 --> 01:25:50,990 Go for a second because of his back to be right back. 1647 01:25:51,710 --> 01:25:53,590 We like to break things around these parts. 1648 01:25:53,830 --> 01:25:56,470 That is true. I use Steam and. 1649 01:25:56,470 --> 01:25:58,670 Xbox regularly. On PC but use whatever. 1650 01:25:58,710 --> 01:26:00,470 Do you know where I go for sales? 1651 01:26:00,470 --> 01:26:03,390 I go or or for where I purchased my game sales. 1652 01:26:03,390 --> 01:26:05,710 If the game is cheaper somewhere I'll probably go there. 1653 01:26:06,030 --> 01:26:09,430 Seller Red Beanie saying Carrick was right about everything it 1654 01:26:09,430 --> 01:26:12,750 would have to say on the back, not because I've definitely been 1655 01:26:12,750 --> 01:26:14,630 wrong about stuff. Guardians of the Galaxy I was 1656 01:26:14,630 --> 01:26:16,870 wrong about, man. We saw Guardians of the Galaxy 1657 01:26:16,870 --> 01:26:18,950 and I was in our disc. I was on here and I was like, 1658 01:26:18,950 --> 01:26:21,590 dude, I'm sorry, that game. Now admittedly, I think we can 1659 01:26:21,590 --> 01:26:25,830 all agree those first trailers, the videos of combat, it just 1660 01:26:25,830 --> 01:26:30,670 looked rough. And it wasn't rough, it turned 1661 01:26:30,670 --> 01:26:31,550 out. To be awesome. 1662 01:26:33,750 --> 01:26:37,670 It turned out to be. Turned out to be a enjoyable ass 1663 01:26:37,670 --> 01:26:40,630 game with good, you know, not great combat, but good combat. 1664 01:26:40,790 --> 01:26:44,030 It's just one of those things got more questions here to talk 1665 01:26:44,030 --> 01:26:45,870 about games because somebody said we weren't talking about 1666 01:26:45,870 --> 01:26:47,430 games. So here we go with more game 1667 01:26:47,430 --> 01:26:49,310 questions. There's a question that says I 1668 01:26:49,310 --> 01:26:52,710 feel like the industry only wants gigantic AAA blockbusters 1669 01:26:52,710 --> 01:26:56,390 on tiny Indies now or tiny Indies now. 1670 01:26:56,590 --> 01:27:00,110 So where did all the solid 15 hour AA games go that used to 1671 01:27:00,110 --> 01:27:02,190 fill the gaps? Let me give you an example of a 1672 01:27:02,190 --> 01:27:06,510 solid 15 hour AA game. Outcast remake was pretty solid. 1673 01:27:06,990 --> 01:27:09,990 Banishers is incredible. Banishers is one of the most 1674 01:27:09,990 --> 01:27:12,550 enjoyable game I've played. Plague tail, Plague tail 2, 1675 01:27:12,550 --> 01:27:16,070 Plague tail 3 is coming. All of those solid AA games. 1676 01:27:16,310 --> 01:27:19,910 The solid AA games are here you got coming out. 1677 01:27:19,910 --> 01:27:22,830 Gothic remake is coming out. Solid AA game. 1678 01:27:22,830 --> 01:27:25,350 Little longer. It's more like your 30-40 hours 1679 01:27:26,030 --> 01:27:27,990 solid. A games are here, indie games 1680 01:27:27,990 --> 01:27:31,990 are here, AAA games are here. You just have to look more 1681 01:27:32,110 --> 01:27:35,230 widely, cast your net, and if you're going online to look at 1682 01:27:35,230 --> 01:27:37,910 trailers, a AA is not going to have as many views. 1683 01:27:38,110 --> 01:27:40,230 You have to go out and actively search for them. 1684 01:27:40,310 --> 01:27:44,270 You will not see them on YouTube as easily as you're going to see 1685 01:27:44,630 --> 01:27:46,750 GTA news. So. 1686 01:27:47,190 --> 01:27:48,510 They were just asking. If if. 1687 01:27:48,550 --> 01:27:54,070 They I think you're muted, yeah. Which which? 1688 01:27:54,670 --> 01:27:57,270 Oh, that's your Stream deck. I told you my Roland died. 1689 01:27:57,270 --> 01:27:59,190 Right. The quad? 1690 01:27:59,190 --> 01:28:00,350 Yeah. Or not the quad the. 1691 01:28:00,350 --> 01:28:01,190 Other one the. New one? 1692 01:28:01,230 --> 01:28:03,270 Yeah, the smaller 1 smoke and everything. 1693 01:28:03,270 --> 01:28:05,830 Yeah, sucked. I'm so excited for the Gothic 1694 01:28:05,830 --> 01:28:07,270 remake. Yeah, it seems like people are 1695 01:28:07,270 --> 01:28:10,190 really stoked about that one. Seems like it's doing well. 1696 01:28:10,670 --> 01:28:14,750 I'm excited to see what AA games are coming this year, actually. 1697 01:28:14,750 --> 01:28:19,910 I think AA, AAA, Indy, I think they're all in a good space when 1698 01:28:19,910 --> 01:28:24,390 it comes to are offerings. Maybe. 1699 01:28:24,390 --> 01:28:26,910 Not their ability to become popular. 1700 01:28:26,990 --> 01:28:31,110 I think that's a little scary, but I think. 1701 01:28:31,110 --> 01:28:33,110 Let me take care of this. Sorry I got some. 1702 01:28:33,110 --> 01:28:35,350 Neighbors making a mess? Yeah, no worries. 1703 01:28:35,350 --> 01:28:38,510 Go for it. I think that that can be sort of 1704 01:28:38,510 --> 01:28:43,630 an issue, but I overall I think AA's are. 1705 01:28:43,630 --> 01:28:45,710 Here guys. I think AA's are here. 1706 01:28:47,790 --> 01:28:51,950 Let's see Tainted Grail, The Fall of Avalon got some new DLC. 1707 01:28:52,270 --> 01:28:53,550 Also. I don't know if anybody saw 1708 01:28:53,550 --> 01:28:55,110 this. South of Midnight was honored at 1709 01:28:55,110 --> 01:28:58,470 the Canadian Game Awards with seven awards for soundtrack. 1710 01:28:59,110 --> 01:29:01,950 Not just at soundtrack. I apologize. 7 awards total. 1711 01:29:02,390 --> 01:29:04,790 So that did really well. Super happy. 1712 01:29:05,030 --> 01:29:08,630 Alexa, Turn Off had a. Little bit of background music 1713 01:29:08,630 --> 01:29:11,270 going on there. Happy to see that game doing 1714 01:29:11,270 --> 01:29:14,110 well. I enjoyed that one and was it 1715 01:29:14,110 --> 01:29:15,390 wasn't. The greatest game in the world. 1716 01:29:15,390 --> 01:29:17,710 But it there you go AA game, right? 1717 01:29:19,190 --> 01:29:20,870 I guess if. You consider that double. 1718 01:29:20,870 --> 01:29:25,470 A yeah, that's AA. Yeah, that was a AA game plague. 1719 01:29:25,470 --> 01:29:28,670 To see more triple. A, In my opinion, yeah, it 1720 01:29:28,670 --> 01:29:30,190 wasn't. It was AA, but I mean, you could 1721 01:29:30,190 --> 01:29:32,150 call it AAA if you wanted. Yeah. 1722 01:29:32,150 --> 01:29:35,990 I mean, it's very difficult to even identify right now. 1723 01:29:36,070 --> 01:29:39,590 When you talk to developers about game development and you 1724 01:29:39,590 --> 01:29:43,350 ask them where their game fits, many don't know even how to 1725 01:29:43,350 --> 01:29:45,990 answer because of the cost of gaming going up. 1726 01:29:45,990 --> 01:29:50,190 So in the old days, there were two ways to really identify it. 1727 01:29:50,190 --> 01:29:53,590 AA would AA was basically an amount of money and what 1728 01:29:53,590 --> 01:29:55,750 publisher you used. If you weren't using EA, you 1729 01:29:55,750 --> 01:29:58,590 weren't using Activision, Microsoft, Sony, you could be 1730 01:29:58,590 --> 01:30:01,670 considered generally AA. And then there was the money and 1731 01:30:01,670 --> 01:30:06,190 it was like 8060 to 80 million. The problem is in such a short 1732 01:30:06,190 --> 01:30:11,150 time, games saw two huge deals. Right before COVID, the price 1733 01:30:11,150 --> 01:30:14,910 had sort of solidified for AA in in fact, most of the developers 1734 01:30:14,910 --> 01:30:17,310 I talked to were saying that they sort of knew exactly where 1735 01:30:17,310 --> 01:30:19,070 the price was for particular things. 1736 01:30:19,630 --> 01:30:23,110 And then with COVID, what happened was there was an influx 1737 01:30:23,110 --> 01:30:26,110 of people who were able to do work and it dropped a little bit 1738 01:30:26,910 --> 01:30:29,350 and there were people working from home. 1739 01:30:29,350 --> 01:30:32,110 There was all these changes and then there was a huge amount of 1740 01:30:32,230 --> 01:30:35,430 of basically hiring from some of the bigger companies. 1741 01:30:35,990 --> 01:30:39,310 And what happened was when people came back, one of the 1742 01:30:39,310 --> 01:30:41,390 developers I talked to, I was like, well, how are your 1743 01:30:41,390 --> 01:30:44,830 finances now versus pre COVID? And during COVID, one of the 1744 01:30:44,830 --> 01:30:51,150 most surprising answers I got was that the people who were 1745 01:30:51,150 --> 01:30:55,310 coming to work for them were costing a good deal more because 1746 01:30:55,750 --> 01:30:59,070 they were either sort of solidified in what they were 1747 01:30:59,070 --> 01:31:01,630 doing at that time and they were doing multiple things for 1748 01:31:01,630 --> 01:31:04,190 multiple companies getting more. They were freelancers, or they 1749 01:31:04,190 --> 01:31:06,630 had gone to work for a big company for maybe at that time, 1750 01:31:06,630 --> 01:31:08,670 a little bit more safety and security. 1751 01:31:08,670 --> 01:31:10,230 I'm not saying that's the same way now. 1752 01:31:10,750 --> 01:31:13,990 And so some of these indie groups, their prices were going 1753 01:31:13,990 --> 01:31:17,070 up for the, the sort of the block of cash it cost them. 1754 01:31:17,910 --> 01:31:21,590 And now we're seeing it skyrocketing and we're seeing, 1755 01:31:22,190 --> 01:31:25,270 you know, we're seeing game development cost a lot more 1756 01:31:25,270 --> 01:31:27,110 because the expectations are more too. 1757 01:31:27,230 --> 01:31:30,430 I mean, I think indie, whatever you want to call indie is 1758 01:31:30,430 --> 01:31:34,510 pretty, is a little safer right now because people don't expect 1759 01:31:34,510 --> 01:31:36,390 voice in your game. Maybe. 1760 01:31:36,710 --> 01:31:40,430 I think people are expecting it much more now, but they may give 1761 01:31:40,430 --> 01:31:43,350 you a little bit more leeway. But I feel like indie games 1762 01:31:43,430 --> 01:31:46,870 because of their excellence in the past six years. 1763 01:31:48,550 --> 01:31:50,190 We're starting to compare every indie. 1764 01:31:50,190 --> 01:31:55,270 Game to every other indie game when you talk to indie devs I'm 1765 01:31:55,270 --> 01:31:58,030 trying to think of, I'm sorry, I'm sort of spacing on who I've 1766 01:31:58,030 --> 01:32:00,110 talked to recently cause I've talked to a bunch of them. 1767 01:32:00,110 --> 01:32:03,670 But if you talk to an indie dev many times the expectations are 1768 01:32:03,670 --> 01:32:06,390 starting to feel unrealistic on the indie devs too. 1769 01:32:06,510 --> 01:32:11,350 So it used to be that every AAA game would need a movie star or 1770 01:32:11,430 --> 01:32:13,990 you know, Cyberpunk comes out. Every games going to have to do 1771 01:32:13,990 --> 01:32:15,950 this. And what does cyberpunk do I 1772 01:32:15,950 --> 01:32:18,470 need to match that? What does GTA do in my open 1773 01:32:18,550 --> 01:32:20,510 world game? We don't want to make an open 1774 01:32:20,510 --> 01:32:22,950 world game because there's so many expectations. 1775 01:32:23,470 --> 01:32:25,750 And now we're getting these indie games, the eternal life of 1776 01:32:25,750 --> 01:32:28,310 Goldman or something where you see this game and you look at it 1777 01:32:28,310 --> 01:32:29,510 and you're like, this is beautiful. 1778 01:32:29,950 --> 01:32:33,350 Then another game comes out and they don't have the art shops to 1779 01:32:33,350 --> 01:32:35,550 do it and people are like, well, it's not as good as that one. 1780 01:32:36,070 --> 01:32:38,350 And I and there's so much competition now. 1781 01:32:38,590 --> 01:32:42,150 It's easier to pick and choose your games and it's harder on 1782 01:32:42,150 --> 01:32:45,030 the it's. It's hard man. 1783 01:32:45,110 --> 01:32:46,990 I don't even know. If I would want to make a game 1784 01:32:46,990 --> 01:32:50,110 right now, I don't even know. What I would make? 1785 01:32:50,550 --> 01:32:53,310 You know it would be difficult. All right, do. 1786 01:32:53,310 --> 01:32:56,030 You have neighbors screaming I've. 1787 01:32:56,150 --> 01:32:57,430 I fixed it. They just. 1788 01:32:57,430 --> 01:33:01,670 Needed a little a little help a little help pushing them down 1789 01:33:01,670 --> 01:33:04,670 the steps like shut. The fuck up, I'm trying to do a 1790 01:33:04,670 --> 01:33:07,750 podcast, the ECG podcast. Shut the fuck up, just push them 1791 01:33:07,750 --> 01:33:09,750 down. What do you think of that 1792 01:33:09,750 --> 01:33:12,110 though? The question was was basically 1793 01:33:12,990 --> 01:33:17,910 does it feel like it's either indie or AAA and are the AA's 1794 01:33:17,910 --> 01:33:21,270 gone like? How do you feel? 1795 01:33:21,270 --> 01:33:26,110 About that, no, I think the the line between. 1796 01:33:26,110 --> 01:33:31,150 Those is blurring as well, like we talked about in in couple 1797 01:33:31,150 --> 01:33:35,710 other podcasts where you could have a small dev team backed by 1798 01:33:35,710 --> 01:33:41,990 a very large, either production or Kuwait team, PR team. 1799 01:33:41,990 --> 01:33:45,790 You know, we've seen for example, Risk of Rain 2, they 1800 01:33:45,790 --> 01:33:52,710 had a a team of three devs, but they had hundreds of people from 1801 01:33:52,710 --> 01:33:58,350 Gearbox working on QA, publishing all this stuff. 1802 01:33:58,790 --> 01:34:01,070 Yeah. What about? 1803 01:34:01,070 --> 01:34:06,190 Subnautica too, yeah, yeah, that's another good example. 1804 01:34:06,390 --> 01:34:13,950 Small dev team, big overall team and a big pub I. 1805 01:34:13,950 --> 01:34:16,990 Know the publishing thing was a disaster, obviously we know 1806 01:34:16,990 --> 01:34:17,430 that. Yeah. 1807 01:34:17,830 --> 01:34:20,950 I've always wondered like what they consider themselves. 1808 01:34:21,830 --> 01:34:25,950 I'm assuming double AI mean yeah, yeah. 1809 01:34:25,950 --> 01:34:28,750 They I think. They are double AI. 1810 01:34:28,750 --> 01:34:33,830 Have a question for you? Let's say I'm 1010 people and we 1811 01:34:33,830 --> 01:34:36,110 do a Kickstarter and we get 20 million. 1812 01:34:36,870 --> 01:34:39,830 We get 50 people and we do 20 million. 1813 01:34:42,470 --> 01:34:45,430 What are they? Right? 1814 01:34:45,430 --> 01:34:49,110 What are you now and are you? Yeah. 1815 01:34:49,110 --> 01:34:51,230 Does it depend on the money? Does it or? 1816 01:34:51,430 --> 01:34:53,670 Yeah, or the team size. And does. 1817 01:34:53,750 --> 01:34:58,110 And what if one game is a text adventure and you get 5 million, 1818 01:34:58,430 --> 01:35:00,430 which is an insane amount for text adventure. 1819 01:35:00,430 --> 01:35:03,310 Obviously this is hyperbole. But then the other game is an 1820 01:35:03,310 --> 01:35:06,030 open world game and it gets 10 million and you know that the 10 1821 01:35:06,030 --> 01:35:08,230 million is not going to stretch as far on the open world games 1822 01:35:08,230 --> 01:35:11,590 as it will. You see what I'm saying? 1823 01:35:11,590 --> 01:35:14,430 Like that's why I think the Indy AA AAA just doesn't work. 1824 01:35:14,430 --> 01:35:17,750 And it it hasn't worked. It's just been easier to explain 1825 01:35:17,750 --> 01:35:19,710 it that way. I think the signal virtuous, 1826 01:35:20,950 --> 01:35:23,230 like the sort of virtue signalling that we get. 1827 01:35:24,990 --> 01:35:26,990 Is no longer. Useful. 1828 01:35:28,990 --> 01:35:30,550 Yeah, because labels are. Only. 1829 01:35:30,550 --> 01:35:36,790 Useful when they represent something identifiable to 1830 01:35:36,910 --> 01:35:40,230 tangible to to everybody. Like you see the label that 1831 01:35:40,230 --> 01:35:43,830 means the same thing to you as it does to me and so on. 1832 01:35:44,310 --> 01:35:47,190 But when the label means something different to you than 1833 01:35:47,190 --> 01:35:50,430 it does to me, that's a not helpful label. 1834 01:35:51,950 --> 01:35:53,430 Yeah, like. Dude, think about it this way. 1835 01:35:54,310 --> 01:35:58,830 Imagine you go into a store and it says no fat and you buy. 1836 01:35:58,830 --> 01:36:01,790 It and there's 20. Grams of fat and you're like, 1837 01:36:01,790 --> 01:36:03,470 what? And they're like, well, compared 1838 01:36:03,470 --> 01:36:07,630 to our competitors, which are eclairs, which are 200 grams of 1839 01:36:07,630 --> 01:36:09,950 fat, we are pretty much no fat. And you're like, well, pretty 1840 01:36:09,950 --> 01:36:14,030 much no fat no longer is. You know what's low fat? 1841 01:36:14,030 --> 01:36:17,910 Low fat. To me it is really difficult. 1842 01:36:17,910 --> 01:36:19,550 To even understand. Like whenever I talk to somebody 1843 01:36:19,550 --> 01:36:21,150 who's on a diet and they're like, I'm going to try to lower 1844 01:36:21,150 --> 01:36:23,630 my fat content a little bit, get the low fat this, low fat that, 1845 01:36:23,630 --> 01:36:26,030 and you're like, that's good. Anybody who does that stuff 1846 01:36:26,510 --> 01:36:28,950 firmly support them. But I'm like, don't just read 1847 01:36:28,950 --> 01:36:33,030 the words because if it's low fat ice cream, it can still be 1848 01:36:33,030 --> 01:36:36,870 high fat dessert if you think in dessert forms, right? 1849 01:36:36,870 --> 01:36:40,470 So yeah, man, it's and Oh yeah, Craig says something. 1850 01:36:40,470 --> 01:36:43,390 I guess game engines change the landscape of AA versus AAA. 1851 01:36:43,390 --> 01:36:49,230 They did dude engines. There's a game biz dot dev 10 1852 01:36:49,430 --> 01:36:52,790 programs that are changing the way game development is done 1853 01:36:52,790 --> 01:36:56,390 that popped about last week. That is crazy. 1854 01:36:56,670 --> 01:37:01,470 They were showing engines. They were showing audio, audio 1855 01:37:01,470 --> 01:37:04,310 systems for putting music into your game and stuff that has 1856 01:37:04,310 --> 01:37:09,870 changed the like change the market and are going to in the 1857 01:37:09,870 --> 01:37:13,470 next couple years, making it so that things rub up against each 1858 01:37:13,470 --> 01:37:16,470 other a little bit, you know, and look at mine's eye. 1859 01:37:17,350 --> 01:37:21,510 Mine's eye was technically cost wise, a AAA game did. 1860 01:37:22,030 --> 01:37:24,430 Does anybody think? That's technically a AAA game. 1861 01:37:24,630 --> 01:37:29,310 Obviously not, but if you look at it from from. 1862 01:37:29,590 --> 01:37:32,030 The standpoint of these. Categories, yeah, as a business, 1863 01:37:32,190 --> 01:37:35,990 right because it. Was a big, big project, yeah. 1864 01:37:36,830 --> 01:37:40,350 Yeah, it's weird. Indie is a genre, not a size or 1865 01:37:40,350 --> 01:37:42,870 a budget. Yeah, used to be, but I mean 1866 01:37:42,870 --> 01:37:45,870 indie is even especially even when you look at like music, 1867 01:37:45,870 --> 01:37:47,710 indie scene is completely ruined. 1868 01:37:48,430 --> 01:37:50,310 It's like what's what does this mean? 1869 01:37:50,310 --> 01:37:53,750 Or does that mean? I think indie AA AAA just 1870 01:37:53,950 --> 01:37:56,630 shouldn't be used anymore. This is an open world game. 1871 01:37:58,070 --> 01:37:59,510 Yeah, I. Think even as a. 1872 01:37:59,710 --> 01:38:03,790 Genre, it's tricky now, yeah, because are are we going to say 1873 01:38:03,790 --> 01:38:08,910 like Expedition 33 was, you know, fits into the indie genre 1874 01:38:08,910 --> 01:38:12,950 just because like. The number of devs. 1875 01:38:12,990 --> 01:38:15,510 Or whatever. But then we find that, like, the 1876 01:38:15,510 --> 01:38:19,670 team was much bigger. Yeah, it's tough, man. 1877 01:38:19,670 --> 01:38:24,710 Unless it's clearly like a game made by one person, you know, 1878 01:38:25,430 --> 01:38:27,670 then you can clearly say, yeah, it's indie. 1879 01:38:28,790 --> 01:38:30,350 It's just it. Gets too weird. 1880 01:38:30,590 --> 01:38:32,270 But if the game is made by one person. 1881 01:38:32,310 --> 01:38:34,750 And EA. Yeah, right. 1882 01:38:36,150 --> 01:38:38,910 Yeah. No. 1883 01:38:38,990 --> 01:38:41,390 It can't be. That's right of small. 1884 01:38:41,390 --> 01:38:44,870 Games that exists. So there you go. 1885 01:38:45,230 --> 01:38:47,910 But they would. Even tout it as an indie. 1886 01:38:47,910 --> 01:38:51,310 They would. Oh yeah, they would, Sotness 1887 01:38:51,310 --> 01:38:54,550 says. Categorization is getting 1888 01:38:54,550 --> 01:38:57,270 pointless. 90% boneless chicken wings. 1889 01:38:58,390 --> 01:39:00,830 Yeah, so, so true. It's why I was joking. 1890 01:39:00,830 --> 01:39:03,750 Saying that, I was talking about, I was talking about 1891 01:39:03,750 --> 01:39:06,430 somebody being so stupid they would somehow choke to death on 1892 01:39:06,430 --> 01:39:08,870 a boneless chicken wing. But it's like, that's the way 1893 01:39:08,870 --> 01:39:10,710 the discussion feels. Right now is. 1894 01:39:10,710 --> 01:39:15,870 That I think, I think overall, why discuss it? 1895 01:39:15,870 --> 01:39:18,990 Why not just say this is a shooter because one's a signal. 1896 01:39:19,390 --> 01:39:22,110 1 is a virtue signal, that's all it is. 1897 01:39:22,710 --> 01:39:25,630 Or a cost spent signal. This is a AAA game. 1898 01:39:25,630 --> 01:39:28,630 What does that mean out of any context? 1899 01:39:28,910 --> 01:39:31,990 If somebody says it's a AAA game, that is a cost virtue 1900 01:39:31,990 --> 01:39:33,870 signal. We spent a bunch of money on 1901 01:39:33,870 --> 01:39:36,470 this game. That is exactly what it it used 1902 01:39:36,470 --> 01:39:38,230 to mean. What is a AA game? 1903 01:39:38,230 --> 01:39:41,150 We didn't spend as much money on this game, but now we see AAA 1904 01:39:41,150 --> 01:39:43,150 games costing less than some AA games. 1905 01:39:43,590 --> 01:39:45,350 What is an indie game virtue signal? 1906 01:39:45,430 --> 01:39:48,070 It means one person. And this is so bad that even the 1907 01:39:48,070 --> 01:39:50,910 Game Awards got it wrong three times in the last year. 1908 01:39:51,070 --> 01:39:54,590 Three separate times, The people who should have known exactly 1909 01:39:54,590 --> 01:39:56,230 what to call something messed it up. 1910 01:39:56,390 --> 01:39:59,190 That's an indicator it's broken. It just needs to go away. 1911 01:39:59,510 --> 01:40:03,830 You know, the more I. Think about it, the indie genre 1912 01:40:04,550 --> 01:40:09,950 I think has been or label has been used as a proxy for this 1913 01:40:09,950 --> 01:40:11,950 game is a passion project. Yeah. 1914 01:40:12,190 --> 01:40:16,230 So people would view it as this one dev, right, That, you know, 1915 01:40:16,230 --> 01:40:20,310 they spent 10 years creating this game and it's a labour of 1916 01:40:20,310 --> 01:40:23,950 love kind of thing. Let's put a special spotlight on 1917 01:40:23,950 --> 01:40:26,790 that. And I think that the indie label 1918 01:40:26,790 --> 01:40:31,430 became kind of that and then was also used for other adjacent 1919 01:40:31,830 --> 01:40:34,310 type of games. But maybe we just need a 1920 01:40:34,310 --> 01:40:38,350 different label. Maybe we can just say, you know, 1921 01:40:38,350 --> 01:40:44,150 labour of love or like passion project, better labels can come 1922 01:40:44,150 --> 01:40:46,390 up. But can I honestly say I think 1923 01:40:46,390 --> 01:40:47,910 passion project? Is even worse. 1924 01:40:48,590 --> 01:40:50,270 Passion project indicates the person. 1925 01:40:50,270 --> 01:40:52,270 Working on a triple. A game has no passion and the 1926 01:40:52,270 --> 01:40:55,790 people I know who were that's true working. 1927 01:40:55,790 --> 01:40:57,350 On triple. A games have just as much 1928 01:40:57,390 --> 01:40:59,990 passion. And I find it they do that to me 1929 01:40:59,990 --> 01:41:02,910 is disgusting. That's almost worse because that 1930 01:41:02,910 --> 01:41:06,190 means not only am I going to neuter you for success, I'm 1931 01:41:06,190 --> 01:41:09,110 going to snip you again. I'm going to geld you because 1932 01:41:09,110 --> 01:41:12,710 you'll have the audacity to work for a big company so therefore 1933 01:41:12,990 --> 01:41:15,270 it's impossible for you to have passion. 1934 01:41:15,590 --> 01:41:19,350 That is, that is why. And it's so nice to see multiple 1935 01:41:19,350 --> 01:41:22,470 game devs get away from these categorizations because that is 1936 01:41:22,470 --> 01:41:25,590 a sickening signal boost. It is. 1937 01:41:26,590 --> 01:41:30,270 It's if you want to send it one person, that's great. 1938 01:41:30,470 --> 01:41:33,550 But how dare you. How fucking dare you? 1939 01:41:34,310 --> 01:41:38,350 How dare you say that you somehow magically have a fucking 1940 01:41:38,350 --> 01:41:39,190 life? Bar. 1941 01:41:39,270 --> 01:41:42,550 Called passion and yours is bigger than somebody else's. 1942 01:41:42,590 --> 01:41:45,350 Yours is bigger dude. People in bands, Oh. 1943 01:41:45,390 --> 01:41:47,430 You can't have as much passion. You have 5 people in your band. 1944 01:41:47,430 --> 01:41:49,550 You have to be a guy out there with a kazoo in his fucking 1945 01:41:49,550 --> 01:41:51,990 mouth, the drums and the guitar that he's playing all three. 1946 01:41:51,990 --> 01:41:55,430 Otherwise no passion. Fuck you man, fuck you. 1947 01:41:55,870 --> 01:42:00,750 OK, Kazoo in the in the. In that's great, and it's become 1948 01:42:01,510 --> 01:42:02,470 they're playing the drums and the. 1949 01:42:02,470 --> 01:42:05,310 Guitars with it's like, dude, that person, you can't tell me 1950 01:42:05,310 --> 01:42:08,910 that every single one of those doesn't that they magically have 1951 01:42:09,110 --> 01:42:12,790 they magically have more passion than and it's become so. 1952 01:42:12,790 --> 01:42:18,110 Normalized to shit on the big studios or the big AAA's that 1953 01:42:18,110 --> 01:42:21,030 even myself, I didn't catch myself there. 1954 01:42:21,030 --> 01:42:25,030 The implication saying if the small 1 is a passion project, 1955 01:42:25,310 --> 01:42:27,630 the big one isn't. Yeah. 1956 01:42:28,510 --> 01:42:31,350 Yeah. Yeah, it's kind of a toxic, it 1957 01:42:31,350 --> 01:42:32,990 is narrative. You know and. 1958 01:42:33,190 --> 01:42:35,270 And it comes it's. Even why like? 1959 01:42:37,990 --> 01:42:40,910 It's even something that we. Have to deal with or I have to 1960 01:42:40,910 --> 01:42:45,350 deal with when I'm like, OK, so here's some truth. 1961 01:42:45,710 --> 01:42:49,550 It's like I work alone and then you have like a GameSpot or 1962 01:42:49,550 --> 01:42:50,830 something that's got multiple people. 1963 01:42:51,870 --> 01:42:55,190 I can't say that I magically have more passion than them. 1964 01:42:55,670 --> 01:42:57,790 That's ridiculous 'cause they're going to work every day. 1965 01:42:57,790 --> 01:43:01,070 Maybe in an office they hate working, and maybe their passion 1966 01:43:01,390 --> 01:43:03,030 is getting them from 9:00 to 5:00. 1967 01:43:03,030 --> 01:43:05,630 Working with that piece of shit who's next to him who thinks 1968 01:43:05,630 --> 01:43:07,710 shoot him in the face with a Nerf gun is fun and all they 1969 01:43:07,710 --> 01:43:10,190 want to do is push him down a flight of steps. 1970 01:43:10,590 --> 01:43:13,270 But they go in 'cause they have a passion to cover games. 1971 01:43:14,350 --> 01:43:15,910 Do you see what I'm saying? Like the the. 1972 01:43:16,070 --> 01:43:18,430 The passion thing that is a that is a weird. 1973 01:43:18,470 --> 01:43:22,270 It's also impossible to. Measure because you could see 1974 01:43:22,270 --> 01:43:26,390 someone who works like 10 hour days and you could call them 1975 01:43:26,390 --> 01:43:30,350 passionate, but then someone else who's just more efficient 1976 01:43:30,710 --> 01:43:35,350 and works five hours days and gets the same thing done, are 1977 01:43:35,350 --> 01:43:38,190 they less passionate? Like the more I'm thinking about 1978 01:43:38,190 --> 01:43:41,350 it, I'm just pissed off, you know, because it's, it's so 1979 01:43:41,350 --> 01:43:44,110 unfair. Actually, I think that's why. 1980 01:43:44,230 --> 01:43:45,830 I think that's why it's great. To just say this. 1981 01:43:45,830 --> 01:43:48,510 Is a shooter, yeah, maybe that's. 1982 01:43:48,510 --> 01:43:50,470 It just. Got to land on that. 1983 01:43:50,470 --> 01:43:54,630 And and maybe we say, you know, we aid the conversation with the 1984 01:43:54,630 --> 01:43:58,910 price tag, right? It's a $60.00 shooter and it's 1985 01:43:58,910 --> 01:44:01,510 an ambitious open world, for example. 1986 01:44:01,990 --> 01:44:06,030 Those are things that kind of explain the the scope of it, 1987 01:44:06,030 --> 01:44:07,790 right? Yeah, Just explain the scope of 1988 01:44:07,790 --> 01:44:08,990 it. Yeah. 1989 01:44:10,670 --> 01:44:15,470 EF Bay, EF Bay says. Based on the sounds of the 1990 01:44:15,470 --> 01:44:18,030 previews, ACBF. Resync sounds like has a lot of 1991 01:44:18,030 --> 01:44:20,030 passion behind it. Yeah, yeah. 1992 01:44:20,510 --> 01:44:23,030 Look at previews for AC games. This happens all the time. 1993 01:44:23,030 --> 01:44:26,510 That's why I'm just like, like, do you want to go play the game? 1994 01:44:26,510 --> 01:44:28,830 I'm like, I would rather not, no, I'd rather just play it. 1995 01:44:28,830 --> 01:44:31,230 Because you're going to get sucked into this discussion of 1996 01:44:31,230 --> 01:44:34,350 like, Oh my God, there. We need to talk about how much 1997 01:44:34,350 --> 01:44:36,950 they're not doing or we need to talk about how much they are 1998 01:44:36,950 --> 01:44:37,870 doing. It's like, no, we don't. 1999 01:44:37,870 --> 01:44:40,350 We just need to see what the game's worth is the game worth? 2000 01:44:40,590 --> 01:44:42,710 Is it a good game? Dude, a lot of people I know 2001 01:44:42,710 --> 01:44:45,110 have never played Black Flag ever. 2002 01:44:45,470 --> 01:44:48,230 So to them, they don't have any of these connotations. 2003 01:44:48,230 --> 01:44:49,870 Like, oh, they've been doing so much. 2004 01:44:49,870 --> 01:44:51,950 It's like, what does that mean? What does that mean? 2005 01:44:52,110 --> 01:44:54,750 They've been doing so much it to somebody who hasn't played it, 2006 01:44:54,750 --> 01:44:59,750 it means absolutely nothing. You know you have. 2007 01:44:59,750 --> 01:45:00,950 To be passionate to work in the gaming. 2008 01:45:00,950 --> 01:45:02,390 Industry, it's not great to work in. 2009 01:45:02,390 --> 01:45:04,630 I don't know. I wasn't passionate for logging 2010 01:45:04,670 --> 01:45:06,830 and I worked in logging, so I think that's not true. 2011 01:45:07,990 --> 01:45:09,630 I don't think you have. To be passionate to work where? 2012 01:45:09,630 --> 01:45:10,950 You work I. Think that. 2013 01:45:11,030 --> 01:45:13,270 There's going to be a lot of places I've worked that I was 2014 01:45:13,270 --> 01:45:15,790 not. I was not passionate because a 2015 01:45:15,790 --> 01:45:16,990 lot of times. You don't get. 2016 01:45:16,990 --> 01:45:18,430 Into it because you're passionate. 2017 01:45:18,470 --> 01:45:21,590 You get into it because, oh, what's hot right now? 2018 01:45:21,590 --> 01:45:25,110 Well, software engineering is hot, this being like 10 years 2019 01:45:25,110 --> 01:45:27,630 ago. So I'm going to just go study 2020 01:45:27,630 --> 01:45:29,110 that. You don't know where you're 2021 01:45:29,110 --> 01:45:34,150 going to end up, you know? You know what a lot of people 2022 01:45:34,150 --> 01:45:35,030 don't know? Upfront. 2023 01:45:35,550 --> 01:45:37,110 With games like you See, you see. 2024 01:45:37,110 --> 01:45:41,710 Sawyer from Obsidian, you know, he gets to make, we'll call it 2025 01:45:41,710 --> 01:45:46,750 his passion project, whatever his his indie game that wasn't 2026 01:45:46,750 --> 01:45:49,270 an indie, but you get this game. He's got like 10 people. 2027 01:45:49,270 --> 01:45:54,070 He makes Pentamint right? I just think it's such a 2028 01:45:54,070 --> 01:45:58,470 disservice. If you do cut it down to it's 2029 01:45:58,550 --> 01:46:01,710 all this stuff versus it is a game, think about how. 2030 01:46:02,190 --> 01:46:04,630 Think about how shitty it is to explain it this way. 2031 01:46:05,390 --> 01:46:10,590 It's a game made by a ton of devs with some passion and it's 2032 01:46:10,830 --> 01:46:14,190 a 2D game, but you spent most of your words on your tweet 2033 01:46:14,350 --> 01:46:17,430 explaining the social signal shit. 2034 01:46:18,190 --> 01:46:22,870 Or you say it's about a Friar doing a. 2035 01:46:22,870 --> 01:46:25,710 Murder mystery and you just. Talk about the game in your 2036 01:46:25,710 --> 01:46:29,110 tweet, let's say 144 letters, 244, whatever you have. 2037 01:46:29,110 --> 01:46:34,830 Now that to me, that second one is way more worthwhile than 2038 01:46:34,830 --> 01:46:37,830 hearing all the other stuff in a podcast or when he talks. 2039 01:46:37,830 --> 01:46:39,710 I want to see that. But I, I, you know, it's the 2040 01:46:39,710 --> 01:46:41,350 game, man. That's what you'll be playing in 2041 01:46:41,350 --> 01:46:43,350 the end. Are you playing Sawyer? 2042 01:46:43,910 --> 01:46:46,310 No, if you were, there'd be a whole different game. 2043 01:46:47,110 --> 01:46:48,670 You're not playing the person making it. 2044 01:46:48,750 --> 01:46:50,270 You're playing the game that you get. 2045 01:46:50,350 --> 01:46:53,310 And I I bring it back. To what? 2046 01:46:53,310 --> 01:46:55,550 The game. Is, you know, what is it 2047 01:46:55,550 --> 01:46:57,510 actually, Especially with so many games. 2048 01:46:58,070 --> 01:47:00,710 Really difficult man, there's so many things, so many games and 2049 01:47:00,710 --> 01:47:03,870 tags as well because. Like something can be a souls 2050 01:47:03,870 --> 01:47:08,590 like, but is it, you know, what is it like really? 2051 01:47:10,110 --> 01:47:13,150 It's a big gamut of games in there. 2052 01:47:13,310 --> 01:47:14,550 Did you guys? So it's also not. 2053 01:47:14,790 --> 01:47:16,150 By the way, Johnny, did you hear this? 2054 01:47:16,150 --> 01:47:19,910 Steam added Bullet Heaven. Oh. 2055 01:47:20,870 --> 01:47:25,390 Oh wait, what's? The differentiation between 2056 01:47:25,390 --> 01:47:30,390 bullet hell and heaven. Are you just like, happy you're? 2057 01:47:30,390 --> 01:47:32,550 You're like a bag of rainbows while playing it. 2058 01:47:32,550 --> 01:47:36,110 As opposed to stressed out? I honestly don't know. 2059 01:47:36,750 --> 01:47:38,910 I don't know. That's hilarious. 2060 01:47:38,910 --> 01:47:41,390 That's. Almost like when they changed 2061 01:47:41,390 --> 01:47:47,510 the words instead of saying whitelisted or like blacklisted. 2062 01:47:47,510 --> 01:47:51,150 You can't use those terms anymore in software engineering. 2063 01:47:51,790 --> 01:47:53,350 Oh yeah, there's definitely terms you. 2064 01:47:53,350 --> 01:47:59,750 Can't use or like the master. Slave model for services and 2065 01:47:59,750 --> 01:48:02,030 stuff. You can't use that anymore 2066 01:48:02,030 --> 01:48:03,270 either. Yeah. 2067 01:48:04,390 --> 01:48:05,150 Yeah, true. I. 2068 01:48:05,150 --> 01:48:08,070 Forgot that change. In one of my updates granted 2069 01:48:08,270 --> 01:48:10,870 some of those. For a good reason, you know it 2070 01:48:10,870 --> 01:48:14,710 is a bit. It's a bit touchy language 2071 01:48:14,710 --> 01:48:16,030 there. Yeah, people are talking about 2072 01:48:16,030 --> 01:48:18,030 Game Pass and. Saving companies. 2073 01:48:18,030 --> 01:48:21,630 And that was pretty crazy. When we were talking to Victor, 2074 01:48:21,630 --> 01:48:23,590 there were a couple others who were like, dude, without Game 2075 01:48:23,590 --> 01:48:25,630 Pass, we would not have stayed afloat. 2076 01:48:25,710 --> 01:48:30,190 And it's like, to me that's the best part, is that there's so 2077 01:48:30,190 --> 01:48:33,590 many ways to get a game now. There's HIO, which is free. 2078 01:48:33,710 --> 01:48:36,390 And by the way, anybody who likes smaller games, we'll just 2079 01:48:36,390 --> 01:48:39,670 call them smaller. I personally would say check out 2080 01:48:39,670 --> 01:48:42,070 Hio, man. They have a ton of stuff on HIO, 2081 01:48:42,670 --> 01:48:44,630 which is great. And then some of those games 2082 01:48:44,630 --> 01:48:48,310 will do good on Hio and they'll come out on steam paid, which is 2083 01:48:48,310 --> 01:48:50,270 actually really cool too. So you'll get like your free 2084 01:48:50,270 --> 01:48:55,150 game on maybe it'll be like the we'll call it point. 2085 01:48:55,230 --> 01:48:57,590 We'll call it a one point O. You'll get that on itch 2086 01:48:57,590 --> 01:49:00,710 sometimes and then a year later I'll go look and find on steam 2087 01:49:00,710 --> 01:49:03,630 and it's sort of like their two point O you know, they maybe 2088 01:49:03,630 --> 01:49:05,550 they got a little bit of money, they got whatever. 2089 01:49:05,550 --> 01:49:08,870 And you see this and I think that's, I think that's what's so 2090 01:49:08,870 --> 01:49:13,350 cool is EA, you know, supporting smaller devs. 2091 01:49:13,350 --> 01:49:15,510 You see smaller dev teams getting money from them. 2092 01:49:15,510 --> 01:49:17,190 You see game pass, you see these ways. 2093 01:49:17,190 --> 01:49:20,430 Everybody's finding everybody's got these different ways. 2094 01:49:20,430 --> 01:49:22,590 They're not all perfect. None will be perfect. 2095 01:49:23,190 --> 01:49:25,790 Getting a $50 million loan isn't perfect. 2096 01:49:26,270 --> 01:49:30,350 So you get those and like it's just awesome. 2097 01:49:30,350 --> 01:49:32,750 And we see the devs literally talking about game. 2098 01:49:32,750 --> 01:49:35,910 If anybody wants to see like how devs are delivering games and 2099 01:49:35,910 --> 01:49:40,510 how they choose gamer biz gamer game, what is it? 2100 01:49:40,510 --> 01:49:43,550 Game developer. Dot Biz has a lot where they've 2101 01:49:43,550 --> 01:49:48,750 talked about, you know who, how they choose and who comes to 2102 01:49:48,750 --> 01:49:52,750 them and who you know who's like, like gives them the best 2103 01:49:52,750 --> 01:49:54,190 deal. Sometimes they'll pass up the 2104 01:49:54,190 --> 01:49:56,550 best deal for a longer running deal. 2105 01:49:57,470 --> 01:50:00,230 So you get all these, you get really good information. 2106 01:50:00,230 --> 01:50:04,350 GDC is another place. I can't tell what people are 2107 01:50:04,350 --> 01:50:05,950 arguing about. Is somebody trying to say that 2108 01:50:06,110 --> 01:50:07,590 Game Pass hasn't helped a devout? 2109 01:50:07,590 --> 01:50:09,910 Because multiple devs have talked about that literally 2110 01:50:09,910 --> 01:50:11,830 online. Even in GDCS they talk about 2111 01:50:11,830 --> 01:50:12,910 that. I can't tell if that's what 2112 01:50:12,910 --> 01:50:14,590 people are talking about. Quit arguing, I'm just joking. 2113 01:50:16,270 --> 01:50:17,190 Yeah. But. 2114 01:50:17,670 --> 01:50:19,630 Yeah. I mean, The thing is, is like 2115 01:50:19,630 --> 01:50:22,910 just because you don't like something and we don't like. 2116 01:50:22,950 --> 01:50:25,110 Genres doesn't mean it's. Going to be continually be used, 2117 01:50:25,110 --> 01:50:27,310 but I will fight that for a while. 2118 01:50:27,350 --> 01:50:30,030 I just don't like it, man. It's just it's a little rough 2119 01:50:30,030 --> 01:50:35,230 sometimes when it comes to the comes to the the genres. 2120 01:50:35,230 --> 01:50:38,070 Yeah, I don't know what. Bullet heaven means I don't 2121 01:50:38,710 --> 01:50:40,710 like. I don't know what it means. 2122 01:50:41,430 --> 01:50:42,750 I guess it's becoming like the the. 2123 01:50:43,070 --> 01:50:44,870 Music means this is hell, you know? 2124 01:50:45,310 --> 01:50:47,110 Yeah. It's becoming Oh yeah, yeah, 2125 01:50:47,270 --> 01:50:49,670 you're like, then slap happened Neo Metal. 2126 01:50:49,670 --> 01:50:56,510 Neo Metal Viking. Trap or whatever so it still. 2127 01:50:56,510 --> 01:50:58,230 Led to many companies closing. Yeah, yeah. 2128 01:50:58,550 --> 01:51:02,350 The entire industry has no, no particular way of delivering 2129 01:51:02,350 --> 01:51:05,950 games has like dominated the way companies go out of business as 2130 01:51:05,950 --> 01:51:08,390 we're seeing right now, Huge companies, small companies. 2131 01:51:08,750 --> 01:51:11,510 By the way, one of the things people don't realize is how many 2132 01:51:11,510 --> 01:51:14,550 indie companies go out of business or Indies and AA 2133 01:51:14,550 --> 01:51:16,910 companies go out of business before they even announce the 2134 01:51:16,910 --> 01:51:18,830 game. That's where I get a lot of my 2135 01:51:18,830 --> 01:51:22,150 data is when I'm talking to somebody who's now a YouTube and 2136 01:51:22,150 --> 01:51:23,590 I'm like, how'd you become a YouTube? 2137 01:51:23,590 --> 01:51:25,670 And they say, well, I was making an indie game and we couldn't 2138 01:51:25,670 --> 01:51:28,710 even, we, we, it couldn't come together. 2139 01:51:28,710 --> 01:51:31,310 We worked for three years and we have an indie game sitting there 2140 01:51:31,310 --> 01:51:33,430 that's not done. But you'll never hear that 2141 01:51:33,430 --> 01:51:36,310 because they don't even announce the game that they're working 2142 01:51:36,310 --> 01:51:37,670 on. They're not. 2143 01:51:37,750 --> 01:51:38,870 They didn't even get to that point. 2144 01:51:38,870 --> 01:51:39,910 They didn't even get to the point. 2145 01:51:40,390 --> 01:51:45,750 Sucks, it sucks. But what else we got for news? 2146 01:51:45,750 --> 01:51:47,270 I know you were saying your back was hurting. 2147 01:51:49,310 --> 01:51:51,990 Yeah, I'm doing OK doing. OK, now actually. 2148 01:51:54,230 --> 01:51:58,470 Oh, this fin fin razzle. Says Bullet heaven means you 2149 01:51:58,470 --> 01:52:01,630 send out so many bullets rather than you have to dodge all the 2150 01:52:01,630 --> 01:52:07,870 bullets. True Oregon fresh says crazy 2151 01:52:07,870 --> 01:52:09,150 concept. There's good and bad to every 2152 01:52:09,150 --> 01:52:11,030 selling model. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. 2153 01:52:11,070 --> 01:52:13,990 You'll always get somebody who stands on top and crows, but 2154 01:52:15,190 --> 01:52:17,350 it's it's almost like when somebody says Game Pass will die 2155 01:52:18,230 --> 01:52:21,590 and they just keep putting more money in and every it's like 2156 01:52:21,910 --> 01:52:24,430 you've got some people who are probably still sitting on that 2157 01:52:24,430 --> 01:52:26,990 old turd. It's a weird one. 2158 01:52:28,270 --> 01:52:29,670 Always. Be cooking. 2159 01:52:29,750 --> 01:52:33,110 PLN 25 what's up Sir? Says just wanted to increase the 2160 01:52:33,110 --> 01:52:37,830 passion a bit. Hey man, I. 2161 01:52:37,830 --> 01:52:39,270 Think Johnny's got passion? Mine's. 2162 01:52:39,270 --> 01:52:40,670 Maybe. Maybe mine's gone. 2163 01:52:40,790 --> 01:52:43,950 No, I don't think so. I think mine's increased. 2164 01:52:45,150 --> 01:52:47,070 Bro you're. One of the most driven. 2165 01:52:47,070 --> 01:52:49,110 People I know, what are you talking about? 2166 01:52:49,110 --> 01:52:49,830 I was. I was. 2167 01:52:49,830 --> 01:52:51,430 I was. You're insane. 2168 01:52:53,430 --> 01:52:55,030 I do, I like me some games man I. 2169 01:52:55,030 --> 01:52:58,430 Like me, some games, yeah. What else do we got going on in 2170 01:52:58,430 --> 01:53:01,950 games though? What do we got? 2171 01:53:02,030 --> 01:53:05,310 What do we got that's. Like, like, what's something? 2172 01:53:05,630 --> 01:53:09,310 How about we talk about something that's surprising 2173 01:53:10,670 --> 01:53:12,670 something? That is like ultimately. 2174 01:53:13,070 --> 01:53:16,350 Has been surprising this lat no that's all right always be 2175 01:53:16,350 --> 01:53:18,630 cooking. What's something that is in this 2176 01:53:18,630 --> 01:53:22,230 past 6? Months that's been. 2177 01:53:22,550 --> 01:53:25,750 A really good surprising thing. It can be a surprising game, it 2178 01:53:25,750 --> 01:53:30,910 can be a surprising peripheral, it can be something like 2179 01:53:31,790 --> 01:53:37,350 positive and awesome in games that has come about I I think. 2180 01:53:39,110 --> 01:53:42,710 Subnautica 2 is is. A really good Did we talk about 2181 01:53:42,710 --> 01:53:44,830 it last week? A little bit, yeah. 2182 01:53:45,510 --> 01:53:49,190 Little why do you. Think that it's. 2183 01:53:50,110 --> 01:53:57,150 It's a really good early access game, so it it's got 2184 01:53:57,150 --> 01:53:59,750 shortcomings in the places you expect. 2185 01:54:00,150 --> 01:54:04,150 So it doesn't have all the biomes, it's not as fleshed out 2186 01:54:04,270 --> 01:54:07,070 compared to Subnautica one, for example. 2187 01:54:07,870 --> 01:54:10,030 The progression is not quite there. 2188 01:54:10,670 --> 01:54:14,230 It's very much so feeling like a sandbox right now. 2189 01:54:14,470 --> 01:54:18,190 But it's a fun sandbox for you to jump in, get a taste for what 2190 01:54:18,190 --> 01:54:20,630 the game is going to be. And I think it's actually a 2191 01:54:20,630 --> 01:54:25,310 great example of early access where you're not finding like 2192 01:54:25,470 --> 01:54:29,430 blank skill trees or technology trees. 2193 01:54:29,430 --> 01:54:32,670 You know this type of stuff you see sometimes in early access. 2194 01:54:32,950 --> 01:54:41,390 No, it is like a a solid foundation of a game there and a 2195 01:54:41,390 --> 01:54:44,470 great experience already as it is. 2196 01:54:45,350 --> 01:54:47,830 For example, I spent 30 hours in there. 2197 01:54:48,670 --> 01:54:52,670 I made a video today talking about it as well and overall 2198 01:54:52,830 --> 01:54:57,630 good time to jump in, check it out and then take a step back. 2199 01:54:58,150 --> 01:55:02,550 And the time you spent makes you more excited for the full 2200 01:55:02,550 --> 01:55:06,670 release in a way that I haven't really felt that much in early 2201 01:55:06,670 --> 01:55:09,030 access. In fact, it's been the opposite 2202 01:55:09,030 --> 01:55:13,110 because I jumped early. I would be like just, you know, 2203 01:55:13,110 --> 01:55:16,550 reluctant to jump back in in the in the full axis. 2204 01:55:16,830 --> 01:55:20,470 But now I have, I have a strong feeling of like, yes, I want to 2205 01:55:20,470 --> 01:55:24,710 play this game when it's completed, but you know, take a 2206 01:55:24,710 --> 01:55:27,830 step back now, allow them to to do their work. 2207 01:55:28,710 --> 01:55:31,190 And I think that's how where the access should be. 2208 01:55:31,270 --> 01:55:35,470 The only other thing I would like to see added is a firm 2209 01:55:36,350 --> 01:55:39,910 estimate for when the game is going to be ready, because still 2210 01:55:39,910 --> 01:55:43,190 it's very in the clouds. They they give you a road map of 2211 01:55:43,470 --> 01:55:46,830 what's going to be coming out, but there isn't a road map for 2212 01:55:47,830 --> 01:55:50,190 one point. O you know, I I would love to 2213 01:55:50,190 --> 01:55:54,670 kind of see that upfront. Mine will. 2214 01:55:55,150 --> 01:55:57,230 I'll agree with you and then I'll add another one, but I 2215 01:55:57,230 --> 01:56:01,030 think Subnautica being on Game Pass is one of the biggest like 2216 01:56:01,550 --> 01:56:04,190 bonuses because I didn't expect that to be on Game Pass. 2217 01:56:04,550 --> 01:56:07,350 That is massive. And I would say I know you 2218 01:56:07,350 --> 01:56:09,510 probably bought it, but I think the majority of people I know 2219 01:56:09,510 --> 01:56:13,190 right now are playing the Game Pass and then Forza doing as 2220 01:56:13,190 --> 01:56:16,750 well. Is Forza wasn't talked about a 2221 01:56:16,750 --> 01:56:18,750 bunch until maybe the last two months. 2222 01:56:18,870 --> 01:56:20,750 And I didn't know how it was going to do. 2223 01:56:20,750 --> 01:56:22,790 I mean, I knew it was going to do Welch's Japan, but I didn't 2224 01:56:22,790 --> 01:56:25,230 know if it was going to be good and do well. 2225 01:56:26,270 --> 01:56:30,910 But my separate 1 and I'm, I can't even tell you if this is 2226 01:56:30,910 --> 01:56:34,150 going to have bad connotations because of all the hubbub that 2227 01:56:34,150 --> 01:56:37,190 went around it. But the Disco Elysium company 2228 01:56:37,190 --> 01:56:42,630 released their game and it got stellar reviews and it is a 2229 01:56:42,710 --> 01:56:47,590 genuinely amazing, like RPG game. 2230 01:56:48,150 --> 01:56:51,950 And then you have some of their devs now, the Disco Elysium dev 2231 01:56:51,950 --> 01:56:55,350 devs, you have a couple of them on Kickstarter and they have a 2232 01:56:55,350 --> 01:56:57,590 game that is on Kickstarter right now that they're getting 2233 01:56:57,590 --> 01:57:00,390 money for. So regardless of all the battle 2234 01:57:00,390 --> 01:57:05,990 that happened there and very tangible real bad feelings and 2235 01:57:05,990 --> 01:57:08,710 all the stuff that happened, that's amazing. 2236 01:57:09,310 --> 01:57:13,630 Like, yeah, that is amazing to me how that came together too. 2237 01:57:13,630 --> 01:57:16,230 And in a way you have the Crafton thing with Subnautica 2238 01:57:16,230 --> 01:57:19,270 that went bad and now you still have them doing good. 2239 01:57:19,270 --> 01:57:21,430 They had to rehire them all that kind of weird shit. 2240 01:57:21,430 --> 01:57:23,910 So you have you have these things. 2241 01:57:23,910 --> 01:57:25,870 That honestly. Could have meant the game wasn't 2242 01:57:25,870 --> 01:57:28,870 coming out right or could have meant that like it, because 2243 01:57:28,870 --> 01:57:31,830 we've seen that too, where shit's falling apart and and 2244 01:57:31,830 --> 01:57:34,990 what you get is bad and you're sitting there going like, holy 2245 01:57:34,990 --> 01:57:37,510 crap. Two of the biggest contentious 2246 01:57:37,510 --> 01:57:42,150 situations. Disco Elysium and Subnautica 2 2247 01:57:42,150 --> 01:57:45,990 have to be two of the biggest content, and regardless of any 2248 01:57:45,990 --> 01:57:49,070 of the other stuff, if I have a friend who doesn't know this 2249 01:57:49,070 --> 01:57:53,270 other bullshit, I know they can. Get 2 games. 2250 01:57:53,270 --> 01:57:56,710 That are awesome. That to me is like what really 2251 01:57:56,710 --> 01:57:58,870 matters. And you, you see it with rock 2252 01:57:59,270 --> 01:58:02,030 rock bands where like one guy will split and he'll make a new 2253 01:58:02,030 --> 01:58:04,590 band and he does well in the original band, does well too. 2254 01:58:05,190 --> 01:58:08,030 Even though there's contentious and there's shit flying all the 2255 01:58:08,030 --> 01:58:09,430 time. It's like, well you know what? 2256 01:58:09,430 --> 01:58:13,150 In the end you get 2 really good records and now we got two 2257 01:58:13,150 --> 01:58:15,430 really good games from situations that absolutely 2258 01:58:15,430 --> 01:58:17,510 sucked. And it shows that there are ways 2259 01:58:17,510 --> 01:58:19,630 for them to separate and still do well. 2260 01:58:20,110 --> 01:58:22,830 Also some other surprises. I didn't expect Soros to be so 2261 01:58:22,830 --> 01:58:24,670 good. Somebody says somebody says 2262 01:58:24,670 --> 01:58:26,710 Crimson Desert. Responding to player feedback on 2263 01:58:26,710 --> 01:58:33,830 a weekly basis is awesome. Machine says all the changes. 2264 01:58:33,830 --> 01:58:36,190 With the Xbox joking, I know not much time has changed. 2265 01:58:36,190 --> 01:58:37,590 Yeah, yeah. But hey, who knows? 2266 01:58:37,830 --> 01:58:42,110 Yeah, who knows. So it's it. 2267 01:58:42,110 --> 01:58:43,550 It is just. Really cool. 2268 01:58:43,550 --> 01:58:46,710 I mean, these guys like it. It's. 2269 01:58:46,710 --> 01:58:50,750 Awesome because. Gamers benefit from it, the 2270 01:58:50,750 --> 01:58:52,230 developers. Get to continue to make. 2271 01:58:52,230 --> 01:58:55,510 Games and more people. Especially with. 2272 01:58:55,510 --> 01:58:58,070 Subnautica and Game Pass, that's just fucking amazing. 2273 01:58:58,430 --> 01:59:01,870 Like that to me is probably it's not as big as Forza, but it's 2274 01:59:01,870 --> 01:59:05,590 huge. That is fucking ludicrous That 2275 01:59:05,590 --> 01:59:08,950 that that's that actually shocked me more than anything. 2276 01:59:09,190 --> 01:59:12,390 I don't know, you know, how all that deal came about, but that 2277 01:59:12,390 --> 01:59:15,670 is awesome because the number of people I know who would never 2278 01:59:15,670 --> 01:59:21,310 have played that, who are now playing it is insanely high and 2279 01:59:21,310 --> 01:59:24,590 who were had no plans to get it. So it's just like, awesome. 2280 01:59:26,030 --> 01:59:33,990 A lot of AI execs at Xbox. Yeah, true, true. 2281 01:59:33,990 --> 01:59:38,030 That's the one thing that always shocks me is like people will 2282 01:59:38,030 --> 01:59:41,270 spend an hour on Twitter bitching about AI and then some 2283 01:59:41,270 --> 01:59:43,350 of the major people from different companies at AI are 2284 01:59:43,350 --> 01:59:45,910 now running Xbox. I it doesn't mean anything. 2285 01:59:45,910 --> 01:59:49,510 We've had like GE salesman doing a great job running a video game 2286 01:59:49,510 --> 01:59:51,430 company. It doesn't really mean much, but 2287 01:59:51,430 --> 01:59:54,550 at the same time it just sort of goes away if they're on your 2288 01:59:54,550 --> 01:59:57,590 team, you know, it's like, oh, well, we're on our team now. 2289 01:59:57,590 --> 02:00:00,550 So by the way, this happened a great deal of the bald guy. 2290 02:00:00,550 --> 02:00:05,950 He ran Google Stadia when that failed, but he was at Sony for 2291 02:00:05,950 --> 02:00:08,190 years. What is his name? 2292 02:00:08,190 --> 02:00:11,270 He worked at Sony for years and he was a staunch Sony guy and 2293 02:00:11,270 --> 02:00:14,110 then left Sony and worked at Microsoft and then just 2294 02:00:14,110 --> 02:00:15,910 immediately switched and people are like, I love him. 2295 02:00:15,910 --> 02:00:17,630 Now you're like, oh God, here we go. 2296 02:00:18,070 --> 02:00:20,110 It's like NFL teams getting different quarterbacks. 2297 02:00:22,110 --> 02:00:28,630 Let's see, what are they? Oh my God, people, quit losing 2298 02:00:28,630 --> 02:00:31,750 your minds in the chat. Jesus Christ, you guys, what the 2299 02:00:31,750 --> 02:00:32,870 fuck? They're bitching about stuff 2300 02:00:32,870 --> 02:00:34,870 that doesn't even, it doesn't even make sense. 2301 02:00:35,470 --> 02:00:37,070 AI wasn't a thing until five years ago. 2302 02:00:37,230 --> 02:00:40,790 That's just what they what they've done lately. 2303 02:00:41,070 --> 02:00:43,590 Yeah. That's the other thing that I 2304 02:00:43,590 --> 02:00:48,110 think is important is let's say somebody is a quarterback for a 2305 02:00:48,110 --> 02:00:50,470 bad team for the last five years, but they were an amazing 2306 02:00:50,470 --> 02:00:52,430 quarterback and they've still got some pretty good numbers. 2307 02:00:53,390 --> 02:00:55,190 You can remember just last five years. 2308 02:00:55,190 --> 02:00:57,830 But you can say this person has some good solid skills and bring 2309 02:00:57,830 --> 02:00:59,270 them in. And I think that that's the 2310 02:00:59,270 --> 02:01:02,310 smarter plan. It's not always, you know, you 2311 02:01:02,310 --> 02:01:05,150 may have worked at a shitty company that didn't do well. 2312 02:01:05,150 --> 02:01:07,630 Yep. It doesn't mean if, if given the 2313 02:01:07,630 --> 02:01:09,830 tools, you can't do well at a new company. 2314 02:01:09,870 --> 02:01:12,030 I mean, we've all had that. Or you stay at a company too 2315 02:01:12,030 --> 02:01:15,150 long and you're not doing well, you know, and then you move to a 2316 02:01:15,150 --> 02:01:17,830 new company and your passion is back. 2317 02:01:18,030 --> 02:01:21,150 Your passion meter has lit. You're gonna keep hitting me 2318 02:01:21,150 --> 02:01:21,790 with that. No. 2319 02:01:22,910 --> 02:01:24,430 No, no I'm not. Oh, I wasn't meaning. 2320 02:01:24,430 --> 02:01:25,590 To hit you. Sorry. 2321 02:01:25,710 --> 02:01:27,630 No, no, it's OK. It was a terrible. 2322 02:01:27,630 --> 02:01:30,150 Idea. Yeah, let's call it a passion 2323 02:01:30,150 --> 02:01:33,590 project, Yeah. We'll just have to see how. 2324 02:01:33,590 --> 02:01:37,190 All that goes good. I think with all these 2325 02:01:37,190 --> 02:01:40,630 companies, it's best not to care who runs them, I think. 2326 02:01:40,630 --> 02:01:43,630 I think so, yeah. I think it was nice to have Phil 2327 02:01:43,630 --> 02:01:45,870 Who? Played games, it did and he did, 2328 02:01:45,870 --> 02:01:47,950 and it didn't work out perfectly. 2329 02:01:47,950 --> 02:01:50,550 There were a couple great times, but it didn't work out. 2330 02:01:50,910 --> 02:01:52,830 And sometimes you'll get somebody in there who you're 2331 02:01:52,830 --> 02:01:55,990 like, what do they have? Why are they going to do well? 2332 02:01:56,190 --> 02:01:59,270 Sometimes it's new blood who just looks at things in a 2333 02:01:59,270 --> 02:02:01,870 different way because they say this hasn't worked. 2334 02:02:03,270 --> 02:02:05,830 I mean. It, it also doesn't have to be 2335 02:02:05,830 --> 02:02:11,350 the CEO, if there is someone in there that can bridge the gap 2336 02:02:11,350 --> 02:02:16,150 between the CEO and the public that sometimes can be a 2337 02:02:16,150 --> 02:02:19,910 technical person, right? Or can be like just someone 2338 02:02:19,910 --> 02:02:23,470 adjacent to the executives that can kind of like speak our 2339 02:02:23,470 --> 02:02:25,510 language. So they can kind of come out and 2340 02:02:25,510 --> 02:02:28,910 say, listen, this is what we're focusing on, this is what it 2341 02:02:28,910 --> 02:02:30,910 means for you guys. And they can be a bit more 2342 02:02:30,910 --> 02:02:33,790 relatable, right? Like a good vice president 2343 02:02:33,870 --> 02:02:35,270 versus. A president that you're just, 2344 02:02:35,310 --> 02:02:37,990 you know, or a good exactly whatever you guys have. 2345 02:02:37,990 --> 02:02:39,350 Premier. What do you have? 2346 02:02:39,910 --> 02:02:42,910 What do you what do they call like Prime Minister? 2347 02:02:42,910 --> 02:02:44,590 Prime Minister? Sorry I said Premier, but. 2348 02:02:44,590 --> 02:02:46,510 Yeah, Prime Minister. Then you might have somebody 2349 02:02:46,510 --> 02:02:49,190 who's like the vice Prime Minister who's just easier. 2350 02:02:50,070 --> 02:02:53,910 They're just easier to digest and maybe that's their thing is 2351 02:02:53,910 --> 02:02:56,990 just that maybe they're made major thing is their ability to 2352 02:02:56,990 --> 02:03:01,110 really sort of be able to transfer data a little bit 2353 02:03:01,110 --> 02:03:02,510 easier than that person who can't. 2354 02:03:02,510 --> 02:03:04,510 I've had many a boss that you're like, yeah, he probably 2355 02:03:04,510 --> 02:03:07,310 shouldn't talk, probably shouldn't be the one doing that. 2356 02:03:07,310 --> 02:03:09,110 Yeah, their skills are elsewhere. 2357 02:03:09,470 --> 02:03:10,950 And they haven't. That makes sense. 2358 02:03:11,030 --> 02:03:12,590 And they in fact they work better as a. 2359 02:03:12,590 --> 02:03:17,910 Team sometimes where they yeah, they're the you know, but. 2360 02:03:17,910 --> 02:03:21,150 When they talk, they're. Like, and we like computer and 2361 02:03:21,150 --> 02:03:23,390 you're all oh, dude, this is not going to work out. 2362 02:03:24,030 --> 02:03:26,990 Yeah, like resident alien. He could use someone to. 2363 02:03:26,990 --> 02:03:29,110 He could use APR person rigid gap. 2364 02:03:29,470 --> 02:03:31,510 Machine. XP $5 Super Jet just. 2365 02:03:31,510 --> 02:03:33,350 A lot of hot and heavy passion in this chat. 2366 02:03:33,350 --> 02:03:36,750 Yeah, exactly, exactly. But you guys need to realize, 2367 02:03:36,750 --> 02:03:42,150 man, like people, there's a lot of people who state, yeah, we 2368 02:03:42,150 --> 02:03:43,550 won't even go. There, we'll just move on. 2369 02:03:43,950 --> 02:03:45,870 Yeah, it's one of those. It's one of those things Vice 2370 02:03:45,870 --> 02:03:50,790 president to present, Vice president to present is premiere 2371 02:03:51,310 --> 02:03:53,230 to premiere pro. I think that was supposed to be 2372 02:03:53,230 --> 02:03:56,070 a joke, but I think you meant Vice president to president is 2373 02:03:56,070 --> 02:03:59,310 premiere to premiere Pro, right? Hey, did you? 2374 02:03:59,510 --> 02:04:00,910 Oh, I think. That's OK. 2375 02:04:00,950 --> 02:04:01,670 Yeah, yeah, I. Got it. 2376 02:04:01,670 --> 02:04:05,470 Now some VPS are passionate about. 2377 02:04:05,470 --> 02:04:09,550 Couches, for example, that sounds that's. 2378 02:04:09,710 --> 02:04:12,070 Vaguely sexual. Yeah, for sure. 2379 02:04:13,430 --> 02:04:14,790 Yeah, that's. Vaguely sexual. 2380 02:04:15,670 --> 02:04:19,150 But you were going to say. I, I don't know, I I read the. 2381 02:04:19,150 --> 02:04:21,390 Couch comment we lost turned to Brazzers. 2382 02:04:21,390 --> 02:04:23,350 Or. Banged, I know instantly, couch 2383 02:04:23,350 --> 02:04:24,190 or whatever. It's called they. 2384 02:04:24,190 --> 02:04:27,190 They ruined the couches for us forever. 2385 02:04:27,510 --> 02:04:28,950 They did dude. I was with. 2386 02:04:28,950 --> 02:04:31,870 My wife going to the movie a couple weeks ago and we walked 2387 02:04:31,870 --> 02:04:34,830 by and there was a furniture store next to the movie theater 2388 02:04:35,390 --> 02:04:38,950 and the couch would just happen to be that color. 2389 02:04:39,550 --> 02:04:41,270 I mean, it was just against a wall. 2390 02:04:41,350 --> 02:04:43,990 It didn't even. It's ruined, I saw. 2391 02:04:43,990 --> 02:04:46,910 It and I was like oh God, and I just realized. 2392 02:04:47,710 --> 02:04:48,710 It. It is, yeah. 2393 02:04:48,710 --> 02:04:52,310 Or you see a like, you'll see a movie, you'll see a movie 2394 02:04:52,470 --> 02:04:54,430 premiere and they'll get all the actors. 2395 02:04:54,710 --> 02:04:56,990 And if there's one female on the couch and a bunch of you know 2396 02:04:56,990 --> 02:04:59,590 how they do the thing, the actors standing around. 2397 02:04:59,990 --> 02:05:02,630 Standing around, they got their arms crossed and you look at it 2398 02:05:02,630 --> 02:05:04,470 and. You're like, I wish these guys 2399 02:05:04,470 --> 02:05:06,630 knew what we knew because that's just not a good look. 2400 02:05:06,870 --> 02:05:08,710 It just doesn't work. It doesn't work. 2401 02:05:09,430 --> 02:05:10,950 Yeah, Nope. Nope. 2402 02:05:12,630 --> 02:05:14,030 I know which couch he's talking about. 2403 02:05:14,030 --> 02:05:17,070 Oregon says I bet you do. Yeah, I bet. 2404 02:05:17,670 --> 02:05:18,990 You do. I mean, listen. 2405 02:05:19,590 --> 02:05:22,350 I feel like white vans have. Always been questionable though. 2406 02:05:22,510 --> 02:05:25,590 I feel like before, Oh yeah, that. 2407 02:05:25,590 --> 02:05:28,310 Was a thing. Like as a kid you'd see a white 2408 02:05:28,310 --> 02:05:31,190 van and maybe I was just told that when I was a kid to watch 2409 02:05:31,190 --> 02:05:34,030 out for 100% like they were. Dodgy. 2410 02:05:34,190 --> 02:05:36,830 For sure they were dodgy, yeah. Anybody driving around a white 2411 02:05:36,870 --> 02:05:37,270 van? Yeah. 2412 02:05:37,270 --> 02:05:38,950 Who's out there buying a white van? 2413 02:05:38,950 --> 02:05:40,790 Yeah, especially one with unless. 2414 02:05:40,790 --> 02:05:42,990 You're a business. Unless you know, if you got your 2415 02:05:42,990 --> 02:05:45,750 plumbing logo, you got your plumbing logo. 2416 02:05:46,110 --> 02:05:49,390 Come on, you could. Have chosen that is code. 2417 02:05:49,830 --> 02:05:53,470 That is a. 100% code could have, yeah. 2418 02:05:53,470 --> 02:05:55,350 Damn man. Yeah, see, that's the And they 2419 02:05:55,430 --> 02:05:58,470 ruin plumbers. Remember the episode of Friends 2420 02:05:58,470 --> 02:06:00,870 when he walks in? The slogan is We're here to. 2421 02:06:00,870 --> 02:06:02,790 Lay pipe. We're here to lay Pipe and 2422 02:06:02,790 --> 02:06:05,470 Monica. Invites Joey in and say he's 2423 02:06:05,470 --> 02:06:07,350 like, are she's like, are you thirsty? 2424 02:06:07,350 --> 02:06:09,510 And he's like yeah. And she walks in to make him 2425 02:06:09,670 --> 02:06:13,630 lemonade and he's already undressed and naked and Oh yeah, 2426 02:06:13,630 --> 02:06:16,150 instantly undressed. Yeah, how often this happened? 2427 02:06:16,150 --> 02:06:18,830 He's like all the time. He had no clue that like, he 2428 02:06:18,870 --> 02:06:21,550 didn't mean sex. And I was like, dude, yeah, so 2429 02:06:21,550 --> 02:06:25,430 good. Let's see. 2430 02:06:25,430 --> 02:06:27,870 Can never look at. Couches, the same Astro vans 2431 02:06:27,870 --> 02:06:30,910 from the 90s are cursed Astro vans from the 90s. 2432 02:06:33,630 --> 02:06:37,710 Oh, is that the model? Astro Van to us is a minivan. 2433 02:06:38,030 --> 02:06:40,390 Not the the Chevrolet 1. Not the. 2434 02:06:40,390 --> 02:06:45,630 Big yeah, not yeah, the big. 360 Dodge engine van ones I'm 2435 02:06:45,630 --> 02:06:47,750 talking about. You know, with no windows. 2436 02:06:47,950 --> 02:06:51,190 Anything with no windows on it. Suspect right? 2437 02:06:51,670 --> 02:06:53,390 Oh yeah dude are like the painted. 2438 02:06:53,390 --> 02:06:55,150 Windows, yeah. Oh dude, yeah. 2439 02:06:55,270 --> 02:06:58,070 Or. Yeah, so where I live, there's 2440 02:06:58,070 --> 02:07:00,670 all these nice houses, right? Not nice, but I mean normal 2441 02:07:00,910 --> 02:07:03,430 middle, middle. Like we're definitely middle to 2442 02:07:03,430 --> 02:07:07,630 low income sometimes middle if I do well, so middle, low income. 2443 02:07:07,630 --> 02:07:09,270 So you see these houses, they look pretty nice. 2444 02:07:09,270 --> 02:07:11,870 Everybody's yards done. And then there's the house. 2445 02:07:12,950 --> 02:07:14,510 Every time. In every neighborhood. 2446 02:07:14,670 --> 02:07:19,710 There's the house, it's got a bunch of signs about beware of 2447 02:07:19,710 --> 02:07:24,590 dog, do not knock, blah blah blah wood over the windows. 2448 02:07:24,910 --> 02:07:28,950 The yard is threadbare. It's like it's not even green 2449 02:07:28,950 --> 02:07:31,910 when it's raining, it's always brown and dead. 2450 02:07:32,430 --> 02:07:36,310 And there's always one car in the parking lot up on a Jack, 2451 02:07:36,590 --> 02:07:40,670 and then a shitty ass really beat her car right behind it and 2452 02:07:41,710 --> 02:07:43,190 every goddamn. Time. 2453 02:07:43,550 --> 02:07:45,590 That there is ever a police call near us. 2454 02:07:45,590 --> 02:07:47,590 It is that house. It's just the house. 2455 02:07:47,710 --> 02:07:50,630 It's it's the house. It's like it's the one as a kid 2456 02:07:50,630 --> 02:07:53,030 where you're playing. Ball and the ball goes to that 2457 02:07:53,030 --> 02:07:55,350 house and you're like, and you just get a new ball. 2458 02:07:55,550 --> 02:07:58,030 Yeah, you're, you're not going there when into the Peterson's 2459 02:07:58,030 --> 02:07:59,270 yard and you're like, it's staying. 2460 02:07:59,270 --> 02:08:01,390 There, you know their yard is filled with ball. 2461 02:08:01,790 --> 02:08:03,910 Their yard is filled with ball. Sounds weird, but the yard is 2462 02:08:03,910 --> 02:08:06,230 filled with softballs or whatever because nobody's going 2463 02:08:06,230 --> 02:08:06,950 in there to. Get them. 2464 02:08:07,030 --> 02:08:07,790 Yeah, exactly. And you? 2465 02:08:07,790 --> 02:08:08,950 Never. Hear a dog, by the way. 2466 02:08:09,270 --> 02:08:10,710 They'll always. Say beware of dog. 2467 02:08:10,990 --> 02:08:14,710 Never, never hear a dog because that's not what they're, that's 2468 02:08:14,710 --> 02:08:17,390 not what they're trying to get. That's where the legends begin. 2469 02:08:17,470 --> 02:08:21,150 It's all like rumors, you know? It's like, Yep, Yep, that's you 2470 02:08:21,150 --> 02:08:22,910 don't. Want to This kid was never seen. 2471 02:08:23,150 --> 02:08:25,590 After going in there, have you guys seen Timmy in the last two 2472 02:08:25,590 --> 02:08:27,190 years? No, it's because we sent him to 2473 02:08:27,190 --> 02:08:29,030 get a ball. He never came back, man. 2474 02:08:29,190 --> 02:08:31,790 Little Timmy's, he's become the dog now, OK? 2475 02:08:31,790 --> 02:08:34,270 I don't know where I'm going. When you think it's a dog, it's 2476 02:08:34,270 --> 02:08:36,830 just. A kid in the basement screaming 2477 02:08:37,390 --> 02:08:38,910 Astro was the first with the drive. 2478 02:08:38,910 --> 02:08:41,470 Minivan. Yeah, that's good somebody. 2479 02:08:41,470 --> 02:08:42,710 Knows a lot about Astro. Vans. 2480 02:08:42,710 --> 02:08:45,150 Which could be weird. Yeah. 2481 02:08:45,190 --> 02:08:47,270 Oddly specific for you. Oddly specific. 2482 02:08:47,790 --> 02:08:49,910 Yeah, So you're doing Forza? What's your? 2483 02:08:49,910 --> 02:08:51,070 Favorite. What's your favorite? 2484 02:08:51,070 --> 02:08:52,270 Race car. What's your favorite car in 2485 02:08:52,270 --> 02:08:54,510 Forza? So I only. 2486 02:08:54,510 --> 02:08:57,230 Have a few hours. Because I played it today only 2487 02:08:57,710 --> 02:09:04,910 and I would say that the coolest car I found was a classic Mazda 2488 02:09:05,390 --> 02:09:09,870 in like blue. Lovely blue and it's really 2489 02:09:09,870 --> 02:09:11,030 nice. Classic. 2490 02:09:11,510 --> 02:09:15,990 And that's the thing I've been driving the most, but it's been 2491 02:09:15,990 --> 02:09:17,990 great. Yeah, it's it's a great time. 2492 02:09:17,990 --> 02:09:21,550 And I forgot about how the game worked. 2493 02:09:22,110 --> 02:09:25,630 Like they, they really want you to go through the checkpoints 2494 02:09:25,910 --> 02:09:29,790 because they will be forgiving with the rewind. 2495 02:09:29,790 --> 02:09:33,550 But if you go, if you don't go through a checkpoint, your race 2496 02:09:33,550 --> 02:09:36,950 is over because they it doesn't matter if you're first place, 2497 02:09:38,030 --> 02:09:40,870 you're getting. Reset in your. 12th place now. 2498 02:09:40,870 --> 02:09:43,470 So enjoy. I said it's just kind of 2499 02:09:43,470 --> 02:09:47,110 remembering how the game goes, but I really enjoyed the the way 2500 02:09:47,110 --> 02:09:51,390 the driving line coaches you. It's it's telling you like, hey, 2501 02:09:51,990 --> 02:09:55,070 you know, you got to start breaking here and it's really 2502 02:09:55,070 --> 02:09:59,910 satisfying that if you follow the line with you, well, you, 2503 02:10:00,310 --> 02:10:03,110 you're just going to drive. Well, it's, it sounds kind of 2504 02:10:03,110 --> 02:10:07,830 simple and, and it sounds bad when I say it that way, but it's 2505 02:10:07,830 --> 02:10:13,950 for someone who's a casual that's a nice aid that allows 2506 02:10:13,950 --> 02:10:18,550 you to feel like someone who knows how to drive, but. 2507 02:10:18,550 --> 02:10:21,950 Without the knowing. If that makes sense, because it 2508 02:10:21,950 --> 02:10:25,190 can be very frustrating if you're someone who you, you just 2509 02:10:25,190 --> 02:10:29,070 don't know like how to take the turns and stuff to go from that 2510 02:10:29,070 --> 02:10:33,470 to, to knowing it's tough, it's a tough curve if you go into 2511 02:10:33,470 --> 02:10:37,670 like a more simulation game. So yeah, I, I, I really 2512 02:10:37,670 --> 02:10:40,390 appreciate the way they do it where you don't have a ton of 2513 02:10:40,390 --> 02:10:42,590 inputs. You got your accelerator, your 2514 02:10:42,590 --> 02:10:47,430 brake, you know, and you're just mostly focused on the world 2515 02:10:47,430 --> 02:10:52,350 itself and enjoying the scenery, and then also just going with 2516 02:10:52,350 --> 02:10:55,630 the flow, Stoli gave. US a $10 super. 2517 02:10:55,630 --> 02:10:57,950 Chat a passion chat. Just dropping by to support the 2518 02:10:57,950 --> 02:10:59,310 cause. Haven't been around a while due 2519 02:10:59,310 --> 02:11:01,030 to medic school. Praise Odin. 2520 02:11:01,070 --> 02:11:04,510 Says Sully. Yeah, thank you for the passion. 2521 02:11:04,510 --> 02:11:06,910 Chat man if we. Get 6000 likes on this. 2522 02:11:06,910 --> 02:11:08,590 Maybe we'll do another stream this week. 2523 02:11:08,910 --> 02:11:12,550 Dude I was so we always tease Rad Brad cuz he'll be like 2524 02:11:12,790 --> 02:11:16,990 here's my first video and if I get 201,000 thumbs. 2525 02:11:16,990 --> 02:11:18,670 Up I might do. A second one you're like, dude, 2526 02:11:18,670 --> 02:11:23,430 that's such a smart such a that is actually not nefarious, but 2527 02:11:23,430 --> 02:11:26,470 highly intelligent, even though I he cracked the system man even 2528 02:11:26,470 --> 02:11:29,590 to. This day that SEO is like she 2529 02:11:29,590 --> 02:11:33,030 was watching a mystery. Channel and this girl, she does 2530 02:11:33,030 --> 02:11:36,150 a great job at mysteries. At the end she's like, yeah, so 2531 02:11:36,150 --> 02:11:41,070 if I get like 65,000 videos I might do or thumbs up I might do 2532 02:11:41,150 --> 02:11:42,950 Part 2 of this. And I was like, oh man, yeah, 2533 02:11:42,950 --> 02:11:45,390 that's like it's everywhere. It's such a smart way of doing 2534 02:11:45,390 --> 02:11:47,710 it. So yeah, if we get to we get to 2535 02:11:48,430 --> 02:11:50,830 500 likes on this, I'll do another side. 2536 02:11:50,830 --> 02:11:53,150 Oh dude, the side podcast. I'll do another side podcast. 2537 02:11:53,150 --> 02:11:54,750 Side podcast was fun this week, man. 2538 02:11:54,750 --> 02:11:57,070 I covered a bunch of stuff. I forgot I even did it. 2539 02:11:57,550 --> 02:11:59,790 You can find us on Spotify and iTunes too. 2540 02:11:59,830 --> 02:12:03,190 I have been asked where most of our viewers are. 2541 02:12:03,350 --> 02:12:06,750 Weirdly enough, YouTube's OK, but Spotify and iTunes, people 2542 02:12:06,750 --> 02:12:09,910 like listening, probably because it's either listen or look and 2543 02:12:09,910 --> 02:12:11,910 listen. And let's be honest, neither one 2544 02:12:11,910 --> 02:12:13,910 of us are breaking any records for hotness, right? 2545 02:12:13,910 --> 02:12:16,590 I mean, manliness, for sure. I don't. 2546 02:12:16,750 --> 02:12:19,150 Yeah, I. Don't have the, you know, the 2547 02:12:19,150 --> 02:12:22,070 luscious hair, but manliness we're. 2548 02:12:22,070 --> 02:12:24,270 Definitely we're tapped out, like you can't go any higher. 2549 02:12:24,470 --> 02:12:27,550 We've like manliness. We're definitely maxed out. 2550 02:12:27,630 --> 02:12:31,070 But you know, looks maybe I'd say you're carrying the heavier. 2551 02:12:31,070 --> 02:12:34,150 Part of that, of the manliness. But I'll, I'll, I'll take that. 2552 02:12:34,150 --> 02:12:36,750 I'll take that as a compliment. I've got the man in it. 2553 02:12:37,150 --> 02:12:37,670 Maybe. No. 2554 02:12:37,670 --> 02:12:40,630 You've got the, you've got the intelligence, I've got the 2555 02:12:40,630 --> 02:12:43,630 manliness and together we make a pretty intelligent. 2556 02:12:43,630 --> 02:12:46,070 No, no, I I get very charitable. I'll take it. 2557 02:12:46,150 --> 02:12:47,510 I'll take it. Let's go with that. 2558 02:12:47,870 --> 02:12:49,230 Hey, I'll, I'll, I'll give it to you. 2559 02:12:49,390 --> 02:12:49,630 You. Know. 2560 02:12:51,630 --> 02:12:55,150 A medic is always a good sight. Oh so my favorite car. 2561 02:12:55,830 --> 02:13:00,950 I have a bunch but I like the I think it's a 57 Chevy cranked up 2562 02:13:00,950 --> 02:13:04,470 mudder tires on it and I have spent the last two days making 2563 02:13:04,470 --> 02:13:06,270 races. You can find them. 2564 02:13:06,430 --> 02:13:10,870 One's messed up I admit, but it's ACG 123 ACG 1234. 2565 02:13:10,990 --> 02:13:15,150 Very easy to find my events. Mallanthrax I think is the site 2566 02:13:15,150 --> 02:13:17,350 is the username I'm using for these events. 2567 02:13:17,710 --> 02:13:22,390 But I made a hill climb and everybody who was doing it has 2568 02:13:22,390 --> 02:13:25,990 never expected to do a race where you may not make it to the 2569 02:13:25,990 --> 02:13:27,910 first checkpoint. I have a hill climb and a 2570 02:13:27,910 --> 02:13:29,470 checkpoint. The first checkpoint's right at 2571 02:13:29,470 --> 02:13:32,430 the top. We watched Beaver for like an 2572 02:13:32,430 --> 02:13:34,350 hour try to get to that first checkpoint. 2573 02:13:34,910 --> 02:13:36,670 He could not. He's like, OK, I got to tune the 2574 02:13:36,670 --> 02:13:38,470 car this way. It's actually fun because I 2575 02:13:38,470 --> 02:13:42,670 think most people make their races just like, start here, go 2576 02:13:42,670 --> 02:13:46,630 here and not me, I'm putting traps in my races. 2577 02:13:46,630 --> 02:13:49,750 So there's like grass and a rock hidden there that'll stop you. 2578 02:13:50,070 --> 02:13:52,550 There's a jump. Oh my God, the checkpoints. 2579 02:13:52,550 --> 02:13:54,750 Over here and. Dude, we had people and they're 2580 02:13:54,750 --> 02:13:56,830 going like, these are the best fucking races ever. 2581 02:13:56,830 --> 02:13:59,230 They're like, they're not like any other race because I have no 2582 02:13:59,230 --> 02:14:01,510 clue where the next thing will be. 2583 02:14:01,510 --> 02:14:05,150 And so I spent hours building these gnarly race tracks. 2584 02:14:05,510 --> 02:14:07,590 And that's how I picture your house. 2585 02:14:08,270 --> 02:14:10,870 Like you've set it up with traps and like, challenges. 2586 02:14:10,870 --> 02:14:13,590 So like, people to go through the yard, they need to, like, 2587 02:14:13,910 --> 02:14:15,310 that's the way to do it. Yeah. 2588 02:14:15,310 --> 02:14:15,950 That's the. Way to do it. 2589 02:14:15,950 --> 02:14:20,070 You saw an A leg off of 1 of the couches, but you just make it 2590 02:14:20,070 --> 02:14:22,150 look like it's supported. So when they sit it, you can be 2591 02:14:22,150 --> 02:14:23,710 like you broke my couch, you have to buy a new one. 2592 02:14:23,710 --> 02:14:26,750 And they're like seriously? Yeah man, you broke the couch 2593 02:14:27,030 --> 02:14:28,590 and then you just get them to buy a new one. 2594 02:14:28,830 --> 02:14:30,750 They look at, it's like it's sawed. 2595 02:14:30,750 --> 02:14:33,310 Off Carrick. Like, I can't, yeah, they're 2596 02:14:33,350 --> 02:14:36,110 like quite cleanly on the leg. And I'm like, yeah. 2597 02:14:36,190 --> 02:14:37,990 That's that is weird. That is weird. 2598 02:14:38,270 --> 02:14:42,110 Listen, I'm no CSI Miami. But this thing's been so yeah, 2599 02:14:42,350 --> 02:14:43,790 you are right, that is suspicious. 2600 02:14:43,910 --> 02:14:47,390 And by the way, I happen to have the online catalog for the new 2601 02:14:47,390 --> 02:14:50,310 furniture store up, so let's go ahead and look through this so 2602 02:14:50,310 --> 02:14:52,270 you can buy me a a replacement couch. 2603 02:14:52,750 --> 02:14:55,110 No, my house is my house has got dogs. 2604 02:14:55,150 --> 02:14:57,390 Those traps enough? Yeah. 2605 02:14:57,510 --> 02:15:00,870 They get under feet. They scare new, they scare the 2606 02:15:00,870 --> 02:15:01,910 poor. What do you call it? 2607 02:15:01,910 --> 02:15:05,470 The the poor mailman. Those are big dogs. 2608 02:15:05,990 --> 02:15:08,030 They're big dogs, but two of them are cowards. 2609 02:15:08,110 --> 02:15:12,350 Like a fly goes by that guy shivering and he's but if a 2610 02:15:12,350 --> 02:15:16,230 mailman like I don't know what it is because he's AI mean he's 2611 02:15:16,230 --> 02:15:17,910 a primal 1. It's a primal. 2612 02:15:18,670 --> 02:15:20,150 They hear that. Mailman and they're. 2613 02:15:20,150 --> 02:15:22,950 Just like, fuck you, motherfucker. 2614 02:15:22,950 --> 02:15:26,590 I have been If they came in evolved they would run to the 2615 02:15:26,590 --> 02:15:29,030 back and still bark. But they would never attack. 2616 02:15:29,030 --> 02:15:31,230 They're like, they're put. They're just loud mouths. 2617 02:15:31,230 --> 02:15:34,990 But it is so funny to see them be like sound all big and 2618 02:15:34,990 --> 02:15:37,150 strong. I've had Instacart people be 2619 02:15:37,150 --> 02:15:40,350 like, can I just leave my stuff, like at the end of the walkway? 2620 02:15:40,350 --> 02:15:42,910 And I'm like, yeah, absolutely. I wouldn't want to be barked at 2621 02:15:42,910 --> 02:15:46,270 either. Sure, Yeah, if they were to. 2622 02:15:46,270 --> 02:15:48,270 Come in the. House those, those cowards, 2623 02:15:48,270 --> 02:15:50,750 they'd be under a table or if a family goes by, they're just 2624 02:15:51,870 --> 02:15:53,670 like, I mean just. I have one who goes under. 2625 02:15:53,670 --> 02:15:56,470 The deck when there's too many flies and just hide shivering 2626 02:15:56,510 --> 02:15:58,950 under the deck. I'm like dude, such a pussy man. 2627 02:15:59,310 --> 02:16:02,350 But yeah I'm telling you, set up your house with a bunch of as 2628 02:16:02,350 --> 02:16:05,070 many traps as humanly possible and then when people break your 2629 02:16:05,070 --> 02:16:08,510 shit, like tell them to go get the remote for the TV but put 2630 02:16:08,510 --> 02:16:10,990 the TV on a spindle so the moment they touch it, it falls 2631 02:16:10,990 --> 02:16:13,270 over. Brand new TV telling you this is 2632 02:16:13,270 --> 02:16:15,630 the way to do it. That's if you have really. 2633 02:16:15,630 --> 02:16:17,150 Well off friends, now that I. Think about it. 2634 02:16:17,150 --> 02:16:19,230 It's probably not going to work. It's like that movie. 2635 02:16:19,310 --> 02:16:21,670 What was? What was that franchise of 2636 02:16:21,670 --> 02:16:27,030 movies where Home alone? OK, well that one too I was. 2637 02:16:27,030 --> 02:16:31,270 Thinking of the one final destination, you know that one. 2638 02:16:31,550 --> 02:16:34,950 Oh yeah. Where like, you know, like one 2639 02:16:34,950 --> 02:16:38,469 thing will fall here, there touch here and there a log is. 2640 02:16:39,870 --> 02:16:42,549 It's so great, man. Those are actually pretty good 2641 02:16:42,549 --> 02:16:44,430 horror movies. That's horror. 2642 02:16:44,430 --> 02:16:47,030 There you go, Legit. Legitimately, yeah. 2643 02:16:47,469 --> 02:16:50,389 Speaking of horror, real. Quick, are you going to do 2644 02:16:50,510 --> 02:16:55,350 Directive 8020? I don't think so because I did 2645 02:16:55,350 --> 02:16:58,230 watch. Most of it played, and I enjoy 2646 02:16:59,389 --> 02:17:01,670 watching more than playing. I like to watch. 2647 02:17:01,670 --> 02:17:04,230 I like to watch. Yeah. 2648 02:17:04,270 --> 02:17:06,990 Was more of a laid back thing, so probably not because I've 2649 02:17:07,070 --> 02:17:11,030 been spoiled for some of the big plot plot points already, but it 2650 02:17:11,030 --> 02:17:12,190 was. I liked it. 2651 02:17:12,830 --> 02:17:15,469 Yeah, again, I'm happy for all the space stuff. 2652 02:17:16,070 --> 02:17:18,190 Yeah, yeah, me too. Me too man I'm I'm loving. 2653 02:17:18,190 --> 02:17:20,910 The space stuff I like. Not everything's going to be a 2654 02:17:20,910 --> 02:17:23,629 banger. But just the sheer yeah, you 2655 02:17:23,629 --> 02:17:26,790 know, abundance is good, dude. I think expanses. 2656 02:17:26,790 --> 02:17:29,950 In sort of a troublesome point, so I don't know if you saw this, 2657 02:17:29,950 --> 02:17:33,870 but I feel, listen, were the voices the greatest? 2658 02:17:33,870 --> 02:17:37,469 No. Were they the greatest for were 2659 02:17:37,469 --> 02:17:40,150 they bad in general for everybody? 2660 02:17:40,150 --> 02:17:43,870 Yes, but only the male voice leads have been replaced. 2661 02:17:43,870 --> 02:17:45,990 I don't know if you saw this. They got replaced last week. 2662 02:17:46,830 --> 02:17:47,790 Why? What happened? 2663 02:17:48,110 --> 02:17:53,430 Because people complained about. The male voice actor so much was 2664 02:17:53,430 --> 02:17:55,389 bad that they're redoing. All the. 2665 02:17:55,510 --> 02:17:58,110 Voices. Yeah, and I got to say not to be 2666 02:17:58,110 --> 02:18:01,950 rude, man, it felt I'm not saying it felt sexist or SIM 2667 02:18:02,469 --> 02:18:05,309 like a symbol or anything, but I listen to the female voice too. 2668 02:18:05,309 --> 02:18:07,469 And this has happened to me a couple times in other primary 2669 02:18:07,469 --> 02:18:09,830 games where people be like you can choose a male or female. 2670 02:18:09,830 --> 02:18:12,590 And I'm like, listen, I'm sorry, They they both ain't good. 2671 02:18:13,549 --> 02:18:15,510 And that's sort of the way this game is there. 2672 02:18:15,510 --> 02:18:18,150 I'm sorry, but if you're going to replace the male lead, I 2673 02:18:18,150 --> 02:18:21,510 think you should replace both. Not only that, the voices of the 2674 02:18:21,510 --> 02:18:24,549 characters in the world aren't great at all. 2675 02:18:25,030 --> 02:18:29,309 And this is a game based on fairly. 2676 02:18:29,309 --> 02:18:31,830 Iconic characters with. A lot of slang. 2677 02:18:31,950 --> 02:18:33,350 This is The Expanse I'm talking about. 2678 02:18:33,350 --> 02:18:36,110 So the exploit, you know, the Alta Lotta, you know, it's all, 2679 02:18:36,110 --> 02:18:39,469 there's all this slang and all this accent. 2680 02:18:39,910 --> 02:18:41,830 Nobody has an accent in the game. 2681 02:18:42,270 --> 02:18:47,750 So it's very weird to play The Expanse and I'm really worried. 2682 02:18:49,469 --> 02:18:51,070 Like how they're going to go about it because. 2683 02:18:51,070 --> 02:18:53,990 Let's say you get a really good male voice actor. 2684 02:18:53,990 --> 02:18:55,830 I'm trying to think of somebody who's really good. 2685 02:18:55,830 --> 02:18:59,510 That like, isn't overdone. So someone. 2686 02:18:59,510 --> 02:19:00,670 Who isn't? Try Baker. 2687 02:19:00,830 --> 02:19:03,350 Yeah, I'm just saying so. And that's a lot of money. 2688 02:19:03,350 --> 02:19:06,469 So let's say, let's say you get Anthony Ingruber, who can do 2689 02:19:06,469 --> 02:19:09,510 accents and he's really good. You get him and he levels up the 2690 02:19:09,510 --> 02:19:11,670 male voice lead. Well, now you got the female 2691 02:19:11,670 --> 02:19:14,190 voice lead who hasn't leveled up, by the way. 2692 02:19:14,270 --> 02:19:16,110 It's like when you exercise only. 2693 02:19:16,110 --> 02:19:19,230 One arm, you know, you look like those weight lifters on YouTube. 2694 02:19:19,230 --> 02:19:22,750 Shorts for the arm wrestlers and their arm is cranked up because 2695 02:19:22,750 --> 02:19:25,270 that's all they do and they're trying to grab a pop and they 2696 02:19:25,270 --> 02:19:28,350 have to bend their fucking at the waist to pick up a pop like 2697 02:19:28,350 --> 02:19:30,629 a Tyrannosaurus Rex because her arm's so bent. 2698 02:19:30,629 --> 02:19:31,510 That's what you're going to have. 2699 02:19:31,510 --> 02:19:35,270 You're going to have this guy who's like, oh, you know, doing 2700 02:19:35,270 --> 02:19:36,910 all the weird accents. You're going to have a lady go 2701 02:19:36,910 --> 02:19:40,070 belt a lotta and you'll be like, oh, come on, man, come on, You 2702 02:19:40,070 --> 02:19:42,110 didn't even try. She's got the basic Yeah, 2703 02:19:42,150 --> 02:19:43,549 picking. Up Natalie Portman out there. 2704 02:19:43,910 --> 02:19:47,230 Who's Sorry, but Natalie Portman was only good in one movie, 2705 02:19:47,389 --> 02:19:50,310 Black Swan, because it apparently is how she. 2706 02:19:50,310 --> 02:19:51,310 Acts. I mean, she's. 2707 02:19:51,390 --> 02:19:54,030 Dude, she's wooden as shit. Come on, Natalie Portman, I will 2708 02:19:54,030 --> 02:19:55,470 hunt you down. Literally. 2709 02:19:55,470 --> 02:19:58,430 Needs to be stained. To because she's so wooden. 2710 02:19:58,550 --> 02:20:01,270 She is wooden, man. She come on. 2711 02:20:01,630 --> 02:20:02,910 What? OK, what's she not wooden? 2712 02:20:03,030 --> 02:20:04,510 I may be biased on this. What? 2713 02:20:04,510 --> 02:20:06,230 Do you like her in Have You Seen? 2714 02:20:06,230 --> 02:20:09,150 Black Swan, I think she's good in Black Swan, yeah, yeah, she 2715 02:20:09,150 --> 02:20:12,990 was good in that. With the altar dude, it's great. 2716 02:20:13,030 --> 02:20:16,710 V for Vendetta, good idea. Yeah, V for. 2717 02:20:16,710 --> 02:20:18,670 Vendetta. Star Wars. 2718 02:20:18,990 --> 02:20:19,990 I mean, what? What's her? 2719 02:20:19,990 --> 02:20:22,350 I'm going to give you that. I mean, I can't remember. 2720 02:20:23,030 --> 02:20:24,870 No Starboard. Oh, no, no, no, no, no. 2721 02:20:25,190 --> 02:20:25,950 You mean what? Come. 2722 02:20:25,950 --> 02:20:28,070 On man, she's like, no. I love you. 2723 02:20:28,150 --> 02:20:31,270 More No, I love OK, the writing was bad. 2724 02:20:33,710 --> 02:20:37,470 OK, I no, I agree. The writing was bad, but writing 2725 02:20:37,470 --> 02:20:39,190 was bad. I like her in it. 2726 02:20:39,710 --> 02:20:40,870 I. Like the hairdos? 2727 02:20:42,670 --> 02:20:43,550 Are you a fan of wigs? I'm. 2728 02:20:43,750 --> 02:20:46,110 I'm just biased. Are you a fan of? 2729 02:20:46,590 --> 02:20:49,110 Like have you seen Alias with Jennifer Garner? 2730 02:20:49,390 --> 02:20:53,310 That was the the FBI, don't remember, but like a special 2731 02:20:53,310 --> 02:20:56,910 unit and she always wore wigs. I know a lot of my friends were 2732 02:20:56,910 --> 02:21:01,270 super into that and I, I hadn't been, I I didn't like it. 2733 02:21:01,750 --> 02:21:05,550 Too much, but it was fine. It was fine as a show. 2734 02:21:05,790 --> 02:21:06,590 Yeah. Yeah. 2735 02:21:06,910 --> 02:21:07,910 I just know a lot of people were. 2736 02:21:07,910 --> 02:21:10,910 Into the wig look for some reason, which sort of surprised 2737 02:21:10,910 --> 02:21:14,150 me on that, which is why honestly I didn't know it was a 2738 02:21:14,150 --> 02:21:16,150 wig. Yeah, and but it. 2739 02:21:16,150 --> 02:21:18,710 Makes sense, Checks out. In Star Wars, she's always 2740 02:21:18,710 --> 02:21:20,430 wearing. You know, the finery, like the 2741 02:21:20,430 --> 02:21:24,350 big hair and the, you know, yeah, all the almost like geisha 2742 02:21:24,350 --> 02:21:28,590 looking or a very white pasty face, the red line. 2743 02:21:28,590 --> 02:21:31,670 And that's all it is true. You know, I mean, I love George. 2744 02:21:31,710 --> 02:21:32,390 It's. Very. 2745 02:21:33,350 --> 02:21:36,190 It's very adjacent, I mean, and the Trade Federation shows. 2746 02:21:36,190 --> 02:21:37,630 Up and they're like, hey, how are you? 2747 02:21:37,750 --> 02:21:39,510 How are you me? And you're like, dude. 2748 02:21:39,710 --> 02:21:43,110 Come on, try a little longer. That true? 2749 02:21:43,550 --> 02:21:44,910 That. But yeah. 2750 02:21:44,910 --> 02:21:45,630 OK. I'll give you. 2751 02:21:47,110 --> 02:21:48,630 Yeah, I. Just think she's with but. 2752 02:21:48,630 --> 02:21:51,230 Anyway, Long story short, Expanse is going to have a tough 2753 02:21:51,230 --> 02:21:54,470 time because they're Yeah, you it yeah, can level up. 2754 02:21:55,710 --> 02:21:57,430 Yeah, you can't. Level up one side. 2755 02:21:57,630 --> 02:21:59,990 You know, I do think that that does become. 2756 02:22:00,270 --> 02:22:02,590 It's like when I don't know. Do you know what the $1,000,000 2757 02:22:02,590 --> 02:22:03,830 man is? Do you ever hear about that show 2758 02:22:03,830 --> 02:22:05,870 when you were a kid? Yeah. 2759 02:22:06,550 --> 02:22:10,510 So the. $1,000,000 man. They only replaced one fucking 2760 02:22:10,510 --> 02:22:12,990 leg. That guy would be running in 2761 02:22:12,990 --> 02:22:15,790 circles with a bionic leg, right? 2762 02:22:15,950 --> 02:22:20,070 That is the way it would be in the expense if you just one. 2763 02:22:20,070 --> 02:22:21,590 Up. Just the one side. 2764 02:22:21,590 --> 02:22:22,790 You need to really go in there. Yeah. 2765 02:22:22,790 --> 02:22:24,790 Maybe rerecord it with both of them. 2766 02:22:25,190 --> 02:22:26,910 Just. I mean, Peter Dinklage was 2767 02:22:26,910 --> 02:22:28,390 replacing Destiny. Remember that? 2768 02:22:28,390 --> 02:22:31,030 There's a wizard on the moon. Yeah, he started as. 2769 02:22:32,070 --> 02:22:35,070 The mechanical? Yep. 2770 02:22:35,310 --> 02:22:37,030 NBC, right, I think. He could have done. 2771 02:22:37,030 --> 02:22:39,510 Fine if they. Had had him redo it, I think. 2772 02:22:39,510 --> 02:22:42,230 I think whoever was the audio director just didn't do a good 2773 02:22:42,230 --> 02:22:45,670 job of being like, because that guy's been in Threshold and he's 2774 02:22:45,670 --> 02:22:48,510 funny, sarcastic, he's scared sometimes in Threshold. 2775 02:22:48,510 --> 02:22:50,830 He does a great job in that. He did a great job in Game of 2776 02:22:50,830 --> 02:22:54,510 Thrones and then you get him in Destiny and you're like, I mean, 2777 02:22:54,510 --> 02:22:58,670 I teased him a lot, but at the same time I'm like seems it 2778 02:22:58,670 --> 02:23:01,230 seems like they probably could have just had him re record and 2779 02:23:01,230 --> 02:23:03,910 be like we need a little yeah, it could have been a cost a. 2780 02:23:03,910 --> 02:23:07,630 Cost thing too, like it didn't turn out well, but to do a 2781 02:23:07,630 --> 02:23:11,790 retake or like a you know, it would just be Nolan North to do 2782 02:23:11,790 --> 02:23:13,310 for Nolan. North can't be cheap because 2783 02:23:13,310 --> 02:23:16,750 he's number 2 after Troy Baker. Well, he's not, but he's not 2784 02:23:17,270 --> 02:23:19,110 Tyrone Lannister. You're right. 2785 02:23:19,790 --> 02:23:20,830 You're right. You're right. 2786 02:23:21,110 --> 02:23:23,630 Yeah, I bet you. Or maybe he's just like, I don't 2787 02:23:23,630 --> 02:23:26,710 fucking want to do it. Like maybe he thought games are 2788 02:23:26,710 --> 02:23:28,230 stupid. You know, he wouldn't be the 2789 02:23:28,230 --> 02:23:30,950 first actor to not know Charlie Cox. 2790 02:23:30,950 --> 02:23:33,910 Back then it was a bit like. That Charlie Cox, he didn't even 2791 02:23:33,910 --> 02:23:36,230 know what he was. Doing when he did Expedition 33, 2792 02:23:36,230 --> 02:23:39,950 he was like, I have no real clue, you know, So I like the 2793 02:23:39,950 --> 02:23:41,030 honesty. At least he didn't. 2794 02:23:41,030 --> 02:23:44,390 Pretend like, Oh yeah, for sure. I gave him all the time, you 2795 02:23:44,430 --> 02:23:46,390 know? And then you ask him, Oh yeah. 2796 02:23:46,390 --> 02:23:49,590 What's your favorite game? Tetris. 2797 02:23:51,830 --> 02:23:55,430 Yeah, yeah, when you. I mean that that is the thing, 2798 02:23:55,430 --> 02:23:56,910 right? Do they need to know? 2799 02:23:56,910 --> 02:24:00,470 Know, But they need to know. It's like TV, soap operas or 2800 02:24:00,470 --> 02:24:02,550 movies where it is a different style. 2801 02:24:03,030 --> 02:24:06,110 They don't need to know games. I don't think they need to know 2802 02:24:06,110 --> 02:24:08,550 games at all really. But they do need to know that 2803 02:24:08,550 --> 02:24:12,870 it's you're emoting differently and you're never going to know. 2804 02:24:12,870 --> 02:24:15,630 I wonder if it is. Different and this circus was 2805 02:24:15,630 --> 02:24:19,990 saying he doesn't find it to be that different but he's also. 2806 02:24:21,910 --> 02:24:26,310 His characters have. Been a lot of them CGI right, So 2807 02:24:26,310 --> 02:24:29,110 there's exactly I think Andy Serkis isn't. 2808 02:24:29,110 --> 02:24:33,310 Understanding that his entire way of doing stuff has been 2809 02:24:33,630 --> 02:24:36,750 leading him to games a little bit, a little bit closer to. 2810 02:24:36,750 --> 02:24:39,710 Games, Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure, because you even hear. 2811 02:24:40,590 --> 02:24:44,310 The one lady from avatar and and the other guy from the the guy 2812 02:24:44,310 --> 02:24:47,510 from avatar both them said they didn't know for the first movie 2813 02:24:47,510 --> 02:24:53,030 how like what do you think? About Death Stranding, they had 2814 02:24:53,030 --> 02:24:57,430 some big names, right? Blanking on the names right now, 2815 02:24:57,830 --> 02:25:00,350 but they had a bunch. I think they did pretty well 2816 02:25:00,350 --> 02:25:02,510 with Death. Strain especially too, they were 2817 02:25:02,510 --> 02:25:04,870 a little bit more comfortable and even the over top, over the 2818 02:25:04,870 --> 02:25:06,550 top stuff. In fact, I would say the most 2819 02:25:06,550 --> 02:25:09,830 uncomfortable was Troy Baker. His was the most. 2820 02:25:09,830 --> 02:25:12,790 But that was the character. The character, yeah, more and 2821 02:25:12,790 --> 02:25:14,910 more, yeah. But yeah, I'll say I, I think. 2822 02:25:14,910 --> 02:25:18,390 Those guys I. But I think Kojima was making 2823 02:25:18,390 --> 02:25:22,470 movies from Metal Gear Solid 3 on Yeah, there you go, his. 2824 02:25:22,470 --> 02:25:26,870 Stuff is also closer to a movie exactly than general games 2825 02:25:27,470 --> 02:25:29,950 exactly, so there's some of. That I think. 2826 02:25:29,950 --> 02:25:33,390 That's why those. 2 might say, oh, it's the same, but you get 2827 02:25:33,390 --> 02:25:36,550 somebody who's like like Peter Dinklage is probably going, what 2828 02:25:36,550 --> 02:25:38,350 do you mean I won't be on the screen ever. 2829 02:25:38,390 --> 02:25:41,910 No, you'll be a little box that maybe that's over behind 2830 02:25:41,910 --> 02:25:45,150 somebody just talking. So you're like, I'm a robot. 2831 02:25:45,230 --> 02:25:46,910 Yeah, yeah, you're a robot. OK. 2832 02:25:47,270 --> 02:25:50,790 There's a wizard on the moon. Maybe that's tough for him, too. 2833 02:25:50,790 --> 02:25:53,030 But maybe that's why it didn't turn out so well. 2834 02:25:53,030 --> 02:25:54,950 He's a theater actor. It's got to be he's a. 2835 02:25:54,950 --> 02:25:58,310 Theater. Actor and now suddenly you're a 2836 02:25:58,310 --> 02:26:03,230 mechanical, you know, ball and you have basically no 2837 02:26:03,230 --> 02:26:08,230 personality kind of right because you're when people say 2838 02:26:08,230 --> 02:26:09,830 you're a robot or you're AI maybe. 2839 02:26:09,830 --> 02:26:12,630 He was like, yeah, OK, there's a robot on the moon. 2840 02:26:12,870 --> 02:26:15,190 You know, he doesn't think that's an emotive robot. 2841 02:26:15,230 --> 02:26:17,710 Where? I mean, how many movies have you 2842 02:26:17,710 --> 02:26:20,430 seen Johnny lately where they get a robot or an AI? 2843 02:26:20,590 --> 02:26:24,030 Like you listen to AI in Star Trek Next Generation, which is 2844 02:26:24,030 --> 02:26:27,070 supposed to be 30,000 billion years past us. 2845 02:26:27,070 --> 02:26:31,150 And the robot's like, I am turning on the Shields and 2846 02:26:31,150 --> 02:26:34,270 you're like, oh, and now we hear like, you know, ChatGPT or 2847 02:26:34,270 --> 02:26:36,110 whatever, that sounds close to normal. 2848 02:26:36,470 --> 02:26:39,270 So yeah, there's right. There's that difference there in 2849 02:26:39,270 --> 02:26:41,590 how yeah, Bluetooth connected. Oh. 2850 02:26:43,110 --> 02:26:44,990 Yeah. Dude, mine are all Chinese. 2851 02:26:44,990 --> 02:26:47,310 Headsets too. So it's not even a person. 2852 02:26:47,710 --> 02:26:51,230 And by the way, I can tell you, you can tell when somebody knows 2853 02:26:51,230 --> 02:26:54,790 the words they're saying and somebody who is saying words, 2854 02:26:54,790 --> 02:26:57,710 they don't know what they mean. And I have a headset that turns 2855 02:26:57,710 --> 02:27:00,430 on and says Bluetooth connected. And you can tell the person 2856 02:27:00,430 --> 02:27:01,710 doesn't know what they're saying. 2857 02:27:02,310 --> 02:27:05,550 They're, they're, they're, it's not only the accent, it's where 2858 02:27:05,550 --> 02:27:07,470 it sounds. It's almost like a person being 2859 02:27:07,470 --> 02:27:11,550 told to bark like a dog. And so they're being told to. 2860 02:27:11,550 --> 02:27:13,790 Say Bluetooth. Connected and they're but their 2861 02:27:13,790 --> 02:27:17,630 language is not English at all. So they're like oof, Efid and 2862 02:27:17,830 --> 02:27:20,190 you're like, yeah, the phonemes don't. 2863 02:27:20,190 --> 02:27:22,670 Match the like yeah, exactly exactly. 2864 02:27:23,390 --> 02:27:26,550 Bluetooth connected, yeah. Your Bluetooth connected and. 2865 02:27:26,670 --> 02:27:28,510 You're like, yeah, I don't think that's it would. 2866 02:27:28,510 --> 02:27:30,310 Be like me. You know, if somebody says go 2867 02:27:30,310 --> 02:27:33,790 say something in Japanese, even if they tell me the word I still 2868 02:27:33,830 --> 02:27:36,550 the connotation isn't there and the connections aren't there. 2869 02:27:36,550 --> 02:27:38,190 And so it just sounds like sounds. 2870 02:27:38,350 --> 02:27:40,870 It doesn't sound like a true holistic word. 2871 02:27:40,870 --> 02:27:43,070 But yeah, we we got off on a tangent there. 2872 02:27:43,190 --> 02:27:48,430 You know, Bluetooth named after an explorer, named after a 2873 02:27:48,430 --> 02:27:53,270 Viking, and named after a person who communicated back to his 2874 02:27:53,270 --> 02:27:56,950 people. Bluetooth, by the way, still the 2875 02:27:56,950 --> 02:28:00,390 worst technology ever. I still think Bluetooth is so 2876 02:28:00,390 --> 02:28:04,110 behind on everything else. Man, I like, I have a 2.4 2877 02:28:04,110 --> 02:28:06,630 wireless headset and I have a Bluetooth headset and this 2878 02:28:06,630 --> 02:28:08,670 Bluetooth headset supposed to be one of the best. 2879 02:28:08,670 --> 02:28:12,950 It uses high level sort of high latency, so I don't play games 2880 02:28:12,950 --> 02:28:17,070 with it, but the difference between a 2.4 and that Bluetooth 2881 02:28:17,070 --> 02:28:21,550 man or like have you Bluetooth? Even a Bluetooth keyboard, 2882 02:28:21,550 --> 02:28:23,270 Bluetooth mouse I don't like as much. 2883 02:28:23,590 --> 02:28:26,110 I really do like having that two point. 2884 02:28:26,110 --> 02:28:30,030 It's like. That friend that's technically 2885 02:28:30,030 --> 02:28:34,030 always there for you, but will invariably let you down? 2886 02:28:34,190 --> 02:28:36,030 Yeah, exactly. That's exactly. 2887 02:28:36,030 --> 02:28:38,070 Right, they're there all the. Time. 2888 02:28:38,790 --> 02:28:39,990 They will, yeah. And it. 2889 02:28:40,550 --> 02:28:42,950 Really doesn't matter because. They're there all the time, 2890 02:28:43,710 --> 02:28:45,110 yeah. What else? 2891 02:28:45,110 --> 02:28:46,390 Do we got before we wrap it up, man. 2892 02:28:47,550 --> 02:28:52,550 I wanted to talk to you. About the pit, I watched season 2893 02:28:52,550 --> 02:28:55,350 1 of the pit, what do you think and. 2894 02:28:55,550 --> 02:28:59,430 It's it's great. It's a fantastic show and but I 2895 02:28:59,430 --> 02:29:03,190 have by the way, I can tell. I mean, there's always a but 2896 02:29:03,350 --> 02:29:05,430 but. There should be no in this case 2897 02:29:05,430 --> 02:29:08,190 it it is just great actually without. 2898 02:29:08,190 --> 02:29:12,710 But what I was going to say is that he brought me back memories 2899 02:29:12,750 --> 02:29:18,310 of when I watched ER as a kid. And he was, you know, he was the 2900 02:29:18,310 --> 02:29:22,270 younger coming up with George Clooney and stuff. 2901 02:29:22,750 --> 02:29:25,830 And I, I really like that show back in the day as a kid. 2902 02:29:26,990 --> 02:29:28,630 And it was. Great watching him. 2903 02:29:28,870 --> 02:29:31,190 I don't know why it's not called ER 2. 2904 02:29:31,310 --> 02:29:34,750 I think it could, maybe? Did you know that's what it was 2905 02:29:34,750 --> 02:29:38,310 supposed to be? Was it Michael Crichton's wife? 2906 02:29:38,310 --> 02:29:40,190 And. Noah Wiley don't get along very 2907 02:29:40,190 --> 02:29:44,110 well because of it, but there was originally the plan was to 2908 02:29:44,110 --> 02:29:47,950 do something very close to it and there was a bit there was a 2909 02:29:47,950 --> 02:29:51,470 lawsuit that's involved. They got out of it and they made 2910 02:29:51,470 --> 02:29:56,830 the pit and he was like, listen, ER followed the ER followed the 2911 02:29:56,830 --> 02:30:00,350 patients a great deal went to their homes, all that kind of 2912 02:30:00,350 --> 02:30:02,430 stuff. ER or the pit really isn't. 2913 02:30:02,430 --> 02:30:06,350 It's about the mental fortitude of emergency responders. 2914 02:30:06,710 --> 02:30:08,470 So he was like, this is what we want to do. 2915 02:30:08,670 --> 02:30:10,590 And they just finally, they just separated. 2916 02:30:10,590 --> 02:30:11,870 They were like, yeah, it's not going to work. 2917 02:30:11,870 --> 02:30:14,830 So they they ended up doing what we have now, which I think is 2918 02:30:14,830 --> 02:30:16,710 better. Yeah. 2919 02:30:17,030 --> 02:30:19,390 I mean different format. Too different format, yeah. 2920 02:30:20,150 --> 02:30:21,830 They're they're going to take the shittiest. 2921 02:30:21,830 --> 02:30:27,430 Day you can possibly think of and depict that for you show 2922 02:30:27,430 --> 02:30:30,430 like what they have to do on one of these. 2923 02:30:31,350 --> 02:30:33,870 It's crazy. ER is probably my favorite show 2924 02:30:33,870 --> 02:30:36,350 of. All it's not my favorite show of 2925 02:30:36,350 --> 02:30:38,150 all time. I don't want to say that I I I 2926 02:30:38,150 --> 02:30:41,030 put ER over here. It's a it's different because 2927 02:30:41,030 --> 02:30:43,830 it's so fantastic that like I will. 2928 02:30:43,870 --> 02:30:46,630 I've rewatched it like less than a year ago. 2929 02:30:46,910 --> 02:30:51,190 I love that show, but the pit is certainly. 2930 02:30:51,190 --> 02:30:55,230 Less interesting. When it comes to like, the 2931 02:30:55,230 --> 02:30:57,830 storylines can't be as deep because they don't want to be as 2932 02:30:57,830 --> 02:30:59,950 deep. So they're sort of like, you 2933 02:30:59,950 --> 02:31:02,870 know, yeah, it's more transient. Yeah, it's all Yeah, it's an 2934 02:31:03,030 --> 02:31:07,030 hour, an hour, an hour, however. Showing that somebody's losing 2935 02:31:07,030 --> 02:31:11,550 their shit, that a doctor is like, yeah, like, dude, you can 2936 02:31:11,550 --> 02:31:13,590 see it throughout. The day, you know, like this 2937 02:31:13,590 --> 02:31:18,550 person started fresh and now they're like, I'm I'm just dude, 2938 02:31:18,870 --> 02:31:21,750 I can't who pulls? Up her phone. 2939 02:31:22,190 --> 02:31:23,270 To leave. Google and he. 2940 02:31:23,310 --> 02:31:27,310 Loses his. Shit, he just like, sorry. 2941 02:31:27,310 --> 02:31:29,990 Do you want us to? Wear masks in the operation. 2942 02:31:29,990 --> 02:31:31,710 He's outside and the door shuts and he's. 2943 02:31:31,710 --> 02:31:35,830 Like motherfucking Google doctors out here killing kids 2944 02:31:35,830 --> 02:31:39,230 and I'm like thank God, because like that's a great crash out 2945 02:31:39,230 --> 02:31:41,950 the show are. There because of a vaccine like. 2946 02:31:41,950 --> 02:31:45,030 They're alive because, you know, we did fix something with the 2947 02:31:45,430 --> 02:31:47,830 and so his reaction to it is like. 2948 02:31:48,350 --> 02:31:49,870 The what the fuck are they trying? 2949 02:31:49,870 --> 02:31:52,550 To do like the. The kid is in dire straits. 2950 02:31:52,550 --> 02:31:55,990 They're absolutely at the end of their life and we know exactly 2951 02:31:55,990 --> 02:31:58,150 what to do. What I love is they only have 2952 02:31:58,150 --> 02:32:02,310 one or two episodes like that. The rest are just the rest are 2953 02:32:02,310 --> 02:32:08,670 not crazy drowning, injury at work, a person who's, you know, 2954 02:32:08,670 --> 02:32:11,190 got a weird illness. And I like that. 2955 02:32:12,350 --> 02:32:14,830 And I like that people make mistakes way more in the well, 2956 02:32:15,030 --> 02:32:20,270 they don't make mistakes as much as they they don't always have 2957 02:32:20,270 --> 02:32:23,110 to get their boss to come up with a good idea, which ER 2958 02:32:23,230 --> 02:32:26,030 hinged on that. ER was always about I think 2959 02:32:26,030 --> 02:32:27,430 something I'm going to bring my boss in. 2960 02:32:27,430 --> 02:32:29,910 Who's going to come up with a crazy thing like house where 2961 02:32:29,910 --> 02:32:33,230 house would be like in the last six months, has there been a 2962 02:32:33,230 --> 02:32:35,670 full moon that you were out naked in? 2963 02:32:35,670 --> 02:32:38,670 Yes. Well, then you have it's Lucas 2964 02:32:38,830 --> 02:32:40,310 Lunicus. Lunicus. 2965 02:32:40,310 --> 02:32:43,350 Lupicus, you know, and in this one it's. 2966 02:32:43,350 --> 02:32:46,870 Like. Those people are the best and 2967 02:32:46,910 --> 02:32:50,230 they're trying their best, and then maybe they make them and 2968 02:32:50,230 --> 02:32:52,670 then you guys are good too. But then you guys, they know 2969 02:32:52,670 --> 02:32:55,070 their shit. The new kids come up. 2970 02:32:55,190 --> 02:32:57,790 And instead of being John Carter was treated like shit in the 2971 02:32:57,790 --> 02:32:59,750 first 3 because he was being hazed. 2972 02:32:59,950 --> 02:33:02,750 There is no time for hazing in this show. 2973 02:33:02,990 --> 02:33:05,190 They I think. They do one thing to one of the 2974 02:33:05,190 --> 02:33:06,830 kids. They they do something with his 2975 02:33:06,830 --> 02:33:08,750 scrubs. The kid who keeps getting pissed 2976 02:33:08,750 --> 02:33:11,670 on and vomited on. Yeah, that was. 2977 02:33:11,670 --> 02:33:13,910 That's so funny. And it's consistent. 2978 02:33:14,310 --> 02:33:18,030 And he's just like they're. All they listen to him, so he 2979 02:33:18,030 --> 02:33:19,870 has something. They listen to him the very next 2980 02:33:19,870 --> 02:33:21,110 section, they're like, oh, you know what? 2981 02:33:21,110 --> 02:33:23,110 He's right. And you know me, I love team. 2982 02:33:23,350 --> 02:33:25,470 I think the Pit is fucking incredible, dude. 2983 02:33:25,950 --> 02:33:27,390 And bravo, 'cause they get to work. 2984 02:33:27,590 --> 02:33:29,790 You know, they they put shit aside. 2985 02:33:29,950 --> 02:33:33,110 Yep. And it's let's get it tracking 2986 02:33:33,270 --> 02:33:37,390 dude, Noah Wiley, he. Has he has ER, he's got the 2987 02:33:37,390 --> 02:33:40,190 Librarian series, which is like 5, Four Seasons. 2988 02:33:40,190 --> 02:33:43,910 He's got Falling Skies, which I adore as an alien show. 2989 02:33:43,910 --> 02:33:46,950 That's six seasons, which we just finished again. 2990 02:33:47,230 --> 02:33:50,190 And then he's got The Pit. He has just consistently put in 2991 02:33:50,190 --> 02:33:54,110 TV work and he's consistently good. 2992 02:33:54,390 --> 02:33:56,750 Like. Librarian was goofy but he is 2993 02:33:56,750 --> 02:33:58,710 good. Like he's just good. 2994 02:33:58,710 --> 02:34:02,550 He shows up and I bite. Dude his sweaty the first. 2995 02:34:02,550 --> 02:34:05,310 Episode of the. Pit He looks like he ran timed 2996 02:34:05,310 --> 02:34:08,470 miles and then rolled into a pile of dirt and showed up to 2997 02:34:08,470 --> 02:34:10,750 work. He's got a sweatshirt that's all 2998 02:34:11,790 --> 02:34:14,870 like. And he's got his grayish. 2999 02:34:14,870 --> 02:34:17,510 Beard and stuff and he's just, and you know, he's washing his 3000 02:34:17,510 --> 02:34:20,870 hands, he's making sure he's clean, but there's something 3001 02:34:20,870 --> 02:34:24,030 works. That guy looks like he works in 3002 02:34:24,030 --> 02:34:28,150 a place where you don't have time to look good, where, ER, 3003 02:34:28,150 --> 02:34:31,670 everybody looked good in, ER, somebody be sweaty, but they'd 3004 02:34:31,670 --> 02:34:35,430 still have their hair coiffed in a perm, You know, they'd pull 3005 02:34:35,430 --> 02:34:36,710 out their little hat. Yeah. 3006 02:34:36,710 --> 02:34:40,670 Like what's his name? Eric LaSalle, you know, always 3007 02:34:40,790 --> 02:34:44,470 jacked and shit, like what's up? And in this one, the Doctors 3008 02:34:44,750 --> 02:34:47,550 doesn't have a leg. You know the one, the one Doctor 3009 02:34:47,550 --> 02:34:48,910 Who's missing his leg. Oh yeah, sure. 3010 02:34:48,910 --> 02:34:51,190 And they don't. Even talk about it, by the way, 3011 02:34:51,190 --> 02:34:53,790 they don't even talk about it. Just like, yeah, they're just 3012 02:34:53,790 --> 02:34:54,430 like, Oh yeah. It's. 3013 02:34:54,430 --> 02:34:57,590 Like, hold on a second. Yeah, he just puts his leg back 3014 02:34:57,590 --> 02:34:59,910 on. And what I love about that. 3015 02:34:59,910 --> 02:35:02,430 Is it was a subtle. Jibe at everybody for bitching 3016 02:35:02,430 --> 02:35:06,070 about being tired or whatever. That dude literally came in, 3017 02:35:06,310 --> 02:35:09,310 worked all through all the shit, and he sits out on the park 3018 02:35:09,310 --> 02:35:11,870 bench, has a beer and pulls his own leg off. 3019 02:35:12,150 --> 02:35:17,110 And yet not once did they draw attention to him missing a leg. 3020 02:35:17,630 --> 02:35:20,470 They never were. Like, Are you sure you can keep 3021 02:35:20,470 --> 02:35:22,430 up? He's just like fucking doing a 3022 02:35:22,430 --> 02:35:23,950 shit. And then he rubs his leg, puts 3023 02:35:23,950 --> 02:35:26,270 his leg back on, grabs a beer, and let's do this. 3024 02:35:26,710 --> 02:35:28,510 See you. Tomorrow bitch and I love their 3025 02:35:28,510 --> 02:35:30,870 relationship he. When Noah's up there and the 3026 02:35:30,870 --> 02:35:33,670 guy's like you're take you've taken my suicide spot because 3027 02:35:33,670 --> 02:35:36,110 they both stand at the end of the of the building. 3028 02:35:36,150 --> 02:35:39,030 And I was like, what does that mean, coming back full circle to 3029 02:35:39,030 --> 02:35:40,430 that? Back full circle at the end. 3030 02:35:40,590 --> 02:35:43,110 Yeah, it's great. So good man, so good and. 3031 02:35:43,110 --> 02:35:44,910 That's I I noticed they never have. 3032 02:35:44,910 --> 02:35:48,510 Music they never have like background. 3033 02:35:48,790 --> 02:35:50,710 Yeah, they chose that in a weird way. 3034 02:35:51,190 --> 02:35:54,950 I heard him talk about it in an interview that the the medical 3035 02:35:54,950 --> 02:35:58,030 chatter becomes your music, your background. 3036 02:35:58,510 --> 02:36:03,590 And the foreground is actually the the reactions, the slight 3037 02:36:03,590 --> 02:36:07,910 emotions on people's faces, the confidence of one person or the 3038 02:36:07,910 --> 02:36:12,670 hesitancy of another. And that kind of becomes the the 3039 02:36:12,670 --> 02:36:16,510 foreground, the. Yeah, it's yeah, super cool. 3040 02:36:16,710 --> 02:36:19,390 If you listen closely to you can hear mistakes. 3041 02:36:19,390 --> 02:36:22,590 Being made on purpose. So that'll foreshadow something. 3042 02:36:22,750 --> 02:36:26,150 So if you listen very close, one of the characters that you're 3043 02:36:26,150 --> 02:36:29,590 going to meet in a second, one of the hurt people, you can hear 3044 02:36:29,590 --> 02:36:33,630 them being like, Oh my God. And but they're completely not a 3045 02:36:33,630 --> 02:36:35,950 part of that scene. But if you listen, they 3046 02:36:35,950 --> 02:36:39,670 purposely wanted you to hear what a doctor hears, which is 3047 02:36:39,670 --> 02:36:44,030 like the cacophony of sorry but sorrow. 3048 02:36:44,350 --> 02:36:46,710 Nobody goes to the hospital to go, well, today's going to be 3049 02:36:46,710 --> 02:36:47,790 great. I'm going to break my arm on 3050 02:36:47,790 --> 02:36:49,230 purpose because this is fucking fun. 3051 02:36:49,470 --> 02:36:53,070 So the entire musical aspect is this dire dread of human 3052 02:36:53,070 --> 02:36:55,670 suffering. And their job is to quiet it. 3053 02:36:55,710 --> 02:36:59,990 And Noah Wiley was saying at the end, the job is to sort of 3054 02:36:59,990 --> 02:37:02,990 remove those, to lower those. Down so that the. 3055 02:37:02,990 --> 02:37:06,430 Suffering is that's our job. Suffering less person helped, 3056 02:37:06,950 --> 02:37:09,470 person healed if we can. But it's not an remember, 3057 02:37:09,470 --> 02:37:11,830 they're not doing full surgery, is there? 3058 02:37:11,910 --> 02:37:14,230 It's mostly about emergency room. 3059 02:37:14,350 --> 02:37:17,710 So a person comes in in pain, they leave better than they came 3060 02:37:17,710 --> 02:37:20,510 in. And dude, yeah, yeah. 3061 02:37:20,630 --> 02:37:22,830 The last episodes of that were hard to watch, though. 3062 02:37:22,910 --> 02:37:25,950 My wife was at a place that had a shooting. 3063 02:37:26,030 --> 02:37:28,830 And so she was, I was like worried I didn't know how she 3064 02:37:28,830 --> 02:37:32,150 was going to react to the end because like, that's a. 3065 02:37:32,270 --> 02:37:34,350 That's APTS. D kind of thing for a lot of 3066 02:37:34,350 --> 02:37:36,750 people. Not her as much but she even 3067 02:37:36,750 --> 02:37:40,030 loved dude she was like that. Was so good and the confusion. 3068 02:37:40,030 --> 02:37:43,230 Where there, because it reminds me of like the bombers at the 3069 02:37:43,230 --> 02:37:44,870 Philad. I think it was the Philadelphia 3070 02:37:44,870 --> 02:37:48,190 Marathon where the two people bombed the marathon at the end 3071 02:37:48,590 --> 02:37:50,750 where everybody thought it was one person and read. 3072 02:37:50,750 --> 02:37:53,350 It was like, we know what we're talking about and they were 3073 02:37:53,350 --> 02:37:56,270 leading everybody astray with bad advice. 3074 02:37:56,590 --> 02:37:59,350 And in the show, they sort of show that they're like, oh, we 3075 02:37:59,350 --> 02:38:02,390 think it's probably this. And then you still have people 3076 02:38:02,390 --> 02:38:04,070 going, but we don't know for sure. 3077 02:38:04,070 --> 02:38:06,550 That's the other thing in a lot of shows, if somebody does 3078 02:38:06,550 --> 02:38:08,550 something, people react instantly. 3079 02:38:08,710 --> 02:38:10,070 They're like, we need to call everybody. 3080 02:38:10,190 --> 02:38:13,270 What I love about The Pit is he's like, wait a minute, we 3081 02:38:13,270 --> 02:38:16,590 don't 100% know. We don't want to ruin somebody's 3082 02:38:16,590 --> 02:38:20,870 life because they said something like, we're not going to freak 3083 02:38:20,870 --> 02:38:22,670 out like that. And I think that's sort of cool 3084 02:38:22,670 --> 02:38:25,630 about The Pit is they're anti the current establishment, which 3085 02:38:25,630 --> 02:38:28,630 is somebody's, you know, we're going to all freak out to the 3086 02:38:28,830 --> 02:38:31,830 highest level. Instead, he's like, well, let's 3087 02:38:31,830 --> 02:38:36,870 verify, you know, what's was this just a one, somebody said 3088 02:38:36,870 --> 02:38:38,590 something or somebody was having a bad day. 3089 02:38:38,830 --> 02:38:40,230 Let's look into it. And I love it. 3090 02:38:40,470 --> 02:38:43,750 I didn't like that she got punched by the dude, though. 3091 02:38:43,750 --> 02:38:46,990 No, that was rough to watch. Man, that guy's playface from. 3092 02:38:47,150 --> 02:38:51,790 Gotham, the TV show, he's yeah, yeah, and he levels. 3093 02:38:51,830 --> 02:38:54,430 The blonde lady. He, I mean, obviously, yeah, 3094 02:38:54,470 --> 02:38:56,590 man, it was. Right, right. 3095 02:38:56,870 --> 02:39:00,390 But it was, dude, really rough. It was brutal, rough to watch. 3096 02:39:00,470 --> 02:39:02,270 And did you see this? Did they show? 3097 02:39:02,270 --> 02:39:06,310 The statistic where they were showing the rise in victims who 3098 02:39:06,310 --> 02:39:09,430 are nurses and doctors being physically attacked at. 3099 02:39:09,750 --> 02:39:13,110 Emergency. Rooms, it's like skyrocketed and 3100 02:39:13,390 --> 02:39:14,750 I thought that was Boston Marathon. 3101 02:39:14,750 --> 02:39:17,150 Thank you very much. I thought that was really cool 3102 02:39:17,150 --> 02:39:19,430 that they covered, you know that. 3103 02:39:19,470 --> 02:39:21,790 So yeah, good way to show that because. 3104 02:39:22,630 --> 02:39:26,430 Not really something you would know unless you're really in 3105 02:39:26,430 --> 02:39:28,790 those. Yeah, and can I admit he had a 3106 02:39:28,790 --> 02:39:32,310 point? I don't mean the hitting, he had 3107 02:39:32,470 --> 02:39:36,070 been treated like shit for a good deal of time and he was 3108 02:39:36,070 --> 02:39:38,670 having a heart attack kind of situation. 3109 02:39:39,110 --> 02:39:42,030 And because of how the world works and who gets treated 3110 02:39:42,030 --> 02:39:46,510 first, that guy had been there for six hours and he was like, 3111 02:39:46,630 --> 02:39:50,230 all I want is for. And so they bring him back and 3112 02:39:50,230 --> 02:39:54,830 the, the nurse guy with the black curly hair, he's like 3113 02:39:55,030 --> 02:39:57,350 flicking him shit. Well, he's flicking them shit 3114 02:39:57,350 --> 02:39:58,990 too, but they're flicking him shit back. 3115 02:39:59,070 --> 02:40:00,950 They sort of caused a bit of the issue. 3116 02:40:00,950 --> 02:40:04,150 They were like, they're like, oh, you're being seen right now. 3117 02:40:04,150 --> 02:40:06,310 And they pull them back and they're like, oh, actually we're 3118 02:40:06,310 --> 02:40:08,710 going to read your thing and we're going to put you back in 3119 02:40:08,710 --> 02:40:12,030 the emergency room. And there's there's a very cool 3120 02:40:12,030 --> 02:40:15,070 study that Rory talks about. If a person goes from the 3121 02:40:15,070 --> 02:40:18,830 emergency room to a different room, their sense of moving 3122 02:40:18,830 --> 02:40:24,510 forward and being helped is like 75% higher than if you go back 3123 02:40:24,550 --> 02:40:26,630 and you go back, put them in the waiting room. 3124 02:40:26,790 --> 02:40:28,550 Put them somewhere else and they will. 3125 02:40:28,550 --> 02:40:30,670 Feel like they're advancing through the system and they 3126 02:40:30,670 --> 02:40:32,150 didn't. They put him back and I was 3127 02:40:32,150 --> 02:40:35,350 like, oh, that's a yeah putting. Yeah, that was rough. 3128 02:40:35,710 --> 02:40:37,310 Great show. I was on a game. 3129 02:40:37,310 --> 02:40:39,350 Based on that, I'd watch the shit out of that man. 3130 02:40:39,550 --> 02:40:41,510 I'd watch the shit out of it. I'd play or play it. 3131 02:40:41,510 --> 02:40:43,430 Sorry. I would play an ER game. 3132 02:40:43,870 --> 02:40:45,870 I think that'd be fun. What would be the game play? 3133 02:40:46,350 --> 02:40:49,390 Probably just like a seen somebody quick like that that. 3134 02:40:49,710 --> 02:40:53,670 Emergency ambulance game I I previewed a couple months ago 3135 02:40:53,670 --> 02:40:56,750 where you're like giving people shots and you're trying to get 3136 02:40:56,750 --> 02:40:59,550 them somewhat stable so you can take them, you know. 3137 02:40:59,990 --> 02:41:03,310 Yeah, yeah, it was good. That was a that was a we 3138 02:41:03,310 --> 02:41:05,350 exploded on that. You can tell we like the pit. 3139 02:41:05,550 --> 02:41:06,870 Jesus. Yeah, sorry. 3140 02:41:06,870 --> 02:41:08,830 Yeah, I mean it's. It's great, man. 3141 02:41:09,030 --> 02:41:11,910 I'm excited for the second season. 3142 02:41:12,190 --> 02:41:14,750 Yeah, you got, you got. You got a ton of shows you can 3143 02:41:14,750 --> 02:41:17,070 watch now. There's a lot of stuff. 3144 02:41:17,070 --> 02:41:19,590 Coming out, there's a lot. Of stuff out, a lot of stuff I 3145 02:41:19,590 --> 02:41:21,830 haven't seen. Will Trent is amazing by the 3146 02:41:21,830 --> 02:41:24,310 way. You see, Will Trent, No. 3147 02:41:24,670 --> 02:41:25,630 Talk about a. Show I. 3148 02:41:25,630 --> 02:41:27,750 Thought I would. Have no desire to see. 3149 02:41:28,350 --> 02:41:30,510 I don't know. I know some of the actors now 3150 02:41:30,510 --> 02:41:33,030 but I didn't know it's just a cop show. 3151 02:41:33,030 --> 02:41:35,350 Like a Bosch kind of thing or a Bosch. 3152 02:41:37,590 --> 02:41:39,430 Holy fuck. Is it fantastic? 3153 02:41:39,430 --> 02:41:43,470 Dude it is looking so good. I was watching. 3154 02:41:43,470 --> 02:41:45,910 The first episode and I'm like, oh, did you ever see Traffic 3155 02:41:45,910 --> 02:41:47,750 with Michael Douglas, Catherine Zeta Jones? 3156 02:41:47,750 --> 02:41:51,710 It's about drug the daughter I believe. 3157 02:41:51,710 --> 02:41:53,790 It's the same. Girl, she's the girlfriend in 3158 02:41:53,790 --> 02:41:55,710 it. She's a cop, Will trince a cop 3159 02:41:56,070 --> 02:42:00,790 and Will has a bit of OCD, but he's just really good at 3160 02:42:00,790 --> 02:42:05,110 thinking crimes through and. It's got. 3161 02:42:05,230 --> 02:42:08,950 Zach from. The old TV show from Nickelodeon 3162 02:42:08,950 --> 02:42:11,550 Life where they're in the they're in school. 3163 02:42:12,990 --> 02:42:15,070 Mario Lopez was the other actor in it. 3164 02:42:15,670 --> 02:42:17,470 I can't remember. I don't know if I've seen that 3165 02:42:17,470 --> 02:42:19,150 one, but they've got. Him in it and. 3166 02:42:19,750 --> 02:42:22,710 Dude, I'm telling you, it's it is. 3167 02:42:23,190 --> 02:42:26,230 It's like five seasons. It is fucking phenomenal and 3168 02:42:26,230 --> 02:42:29,230 they do the craziest shit. They'll just be in Puerto Rico 3169 02:42:29,230 --> 02:42:33,630 for like 6 episodes or they'll be undercover for like 5 3170 02:42:33,630 --> 02:42:35,670 episodes and you sort of have to catch up. 3171 02:42:36,350 --> 02:42:38,470 They'll give you a little brief like 6 months ago. 3172 02:42:38,630 --> 02:42:41,790 They move time a great deal in it. 3173 02:42:41,910 --> 02:42:45,070 So it'll be like 5 episodes and then they'll be like 3 months 3174 02:42:45,070 --> 02:42:46,310 later. You're like, oh whoa. 3175 02:42:46,310 --> 02:42:49,510 That's and they, and it gives them a flexibility. 3176 02:42:49,750 --> 02:42:50,910 Saved by the Bell. Thank you. 3177 02:42:51,430 --> 02:42:54,070 It gives them this flexibility, dude, that is. 3178 02:42:54,070 --> 02:42:56,070 And I know I've added 16 movies here. 3179 02:42:56,190 --> 02:42:57,870 We're doing this thing completely. 3180 02:42:57,870 --> 02:43:01,030 Differently now or like we're we're doing this different thing 3181 02:43:01,030 --> 02:43:03,670 now rather, dude, it's awesome. It's like. 3182 02:43:03,910 --> 02:43:09,070 It is such a unique show. I'll check it out and it's got. 3183 02:43:09,070 --> 02:43:11,870 A It's got a bit. Of humor, but I think you will 3184 02:43:11,870 --> 02:43:15,270 genuinely like it, even maybe that more than like a Bosch, 3185 02:43:15,270 --> 02:43:17,030 which is dark. This one's dark. 3186 02:43:17,150 --> 02:43:18,550 Yeah, it's dark in a different way. 3187 02:43:18,550 --> 02:43:20,790 It's. Great though Bosch is amazing 3188 02:43:20,790 --> 02:43:23,030 but at times. You're like, damn, can someone 3189 02:43:23,030 --> 02:43:24,430 smile, dude? Titus. 3190 02:43:24,590 --> 02:43:28,230 Yeah, his girl will come in. She'll be like, I just won the 3191 02:43:28,230 --> 02:43:30,790 beauty pageant. I got my graduate degree, I'm 3192 02:43:30,790 --> 02:43:31,870 going to go do this, blah, blah, blah. 3193 02:43:31,870 --> 02:43:36,870 And he'll be all. OK, that's it. 3194 02:43:37,510 --> 02:43:40,150 That's the most and you know what you're getting that my 3195 02:43:40,150 --> 02:43:41,070 wife. Brought this up. 3196 02:43:41,230 --> 02:43:43,910 My wife is like, do you realize the only people he smiles at are 3197 02:43:43,910 --> 02:43:45,830 the criminals because he knows he's caught them. 3198 02:43:46,150 --> 02:43:48,710 And I'm like, wait, oh, that's. True. 3199 02:43:48,710 --> 02:43:51,390 Yeah, he smirks. It's like, yeah, it's like when 3200 02:43:51,390 --> 02:43:55,230 you watch Longmire. Walt, Walt, one time Walt smiles 3201 02:43:55,230 --> 02:43:57,790 is when he's threatening to fucking kill somebody. 3202 02:43:58,150 --> 02:44:02,190 In that entire show, he comes up to somebody and is like, and if 3203 02:44:02,190 --> 02:44:05,510 you do, blah, blah, blah. Well, and you're like. 3204 02:44:05,510 --> 02:44:06,830 Wait, what? What is happening? 3205 02:44:06,830 --> 02:44:08,750 Walt's face broke into and it is the. 3206 02:44:08,750 --> 02:44:11,750 Most. Benevolent, I'm going to crawl 3207 02:44:11,750 --> 02:44:14,590 up your anus and explode inside of you kind of moment where I 3208 02:44:14,590 --> 02:44:17,510 was like, damn, Walt just threaten that guy with his 3209 02:44:17,510 --> 02:44:20,070 fucking life and it's the only dude. 3210 02:44:20,150 --> 02:44:21,870 He doesn't even smile to his girlfriend. 3211 02:44:22,070 --> 02:44:26,190 He doesn't laugh, but that he they smile. 3212 02:44:26,190 --> 02:44:27,830 At the bad. Guys, yeah, it's cool. 3213 02:44:27,830 --> 02:44:30,390 You should, dude. Yeah, you should check out Will 3214 02:44:30,390 --> 02:44:31,990 Trent. And if you haven't checked, I 3215 02:44:31,990 --> 02:44:33,230 think you saw Longmire. Right. 3216 02:44:34,350 --> 02:44:36,550 Did you watch a long time? No, no, dude. 3217 02:44:37,190 --> 02:44:38,310 Dude, some. So many. 3218 02:44:38,310 --> 02:44:39,990 Shows man. Anyway, gotta catch up. 3219 02:44:40,070 --> 02:44:42,870 I I was. Catching up on euphoria as well. 3220 02:44:43,310 --> 02:44:47,590 That's still very early on that it's a it's a bit rough because 3221 02:44:47,590 --> 02:44:52,430 I'm like drug use is some like for me, it's hard to watch. 3222 02:44:52,430 --> 02:44:54,950 It's gross because I don't I. Don't do drugs. 3223 02:44:54,990 --> 02:44:59,110 Or anything, but it's rough to watch people. 3224 02:45:00,030 --> 02:45:04,110 I it's very well made. It's a good like, kind of 3225 02:45:04,110 --> 02:45:08,110 teenage drama. It's very explicit, but it is 3226 02:45:08,110 --> 02:45:12,990 very well made and like good actors and stuff, it's there's. 3227 02:45:14,070 --> 02:45:15,710 Do you see the episode? Where somebody spits on. 3228 02:45:15,710 --> 02:45:19,470 Their hand, I'll just say that I mean. 3229 02:45:19,590 --> 02:45:22,550 There has already been some spitting on hands, yes. 3230 02:45:22,550 --> 02:45:24,070 I don't know if it's the one you're talking about. 3231 02:45:24,070 --> 02:45:25,830 The one I'm talking about, yeah, it might be. 3232 02:45:25,830 --> 02:45:28,550 Dude, yeah. It's already been very explicit. 3233 02:45:28,590 --> 02:45:30,630 You're talking to, you're talking to somebody. 3234 02:45:30,670 --> 02:45:34,150 I'm not chased, I no, you're not easily like. 3235 02:45:34,430 --> 02:45:35,470 What? Yeah, yeah, I'm. 3236 02:45:36,110 --> 02:45:40,510 Totally fine with all that, but even I was like, damn. 3237 02:45:40,550 --> 02:45:41,550 God damn. Seriously. 3238 02:45:41,550 --> 02:45:43,510 Yeah, Yeah. Like seriously, That's. 3239 02:45:43,510 --> 02:45:47,550 One thing that like. You know, it's hard to describe 3240 02:45:47,550 --> 02:45:51,550 to somebody, but like it's a part of things that may happen 3241 02:45:51,790 --> 02:45:56,750 that you don't you you just don't see ever shown, even 3242 02:45:56,750 --> 02:45:59,670 though it may occur. And it may actually be sort of 3243 02:46:00,350 --> 02:46:03,110 like not even surprised, but to show it on TV. 3244 02:46:03,110 --> 02:46:08,390 And I knew instantly what was going on and I was just like, oh 3245 02:46:08,710 --> 02:46:11,550 man, wow, God damn, this show is. 3246 02:46:12,030 --> 02:46:14,230 It's there. Yeah, it's, it's going there. 3247 02:46:14,830 --> 02:46:15,670 I I. Watched it. 3248 02:46:16,990 --> 02:46:18,430 We felt that it. Got gratuitous? 3249 02:46:18,430 --> 02:46:21,670 For gratuity's sake, like, after a while, you're like, OK, you 3250 02:46:21,670 --> 02:46:23,990 know, like HBO sometimes has a bit of that. 3251 02:46:23,990 --> 02:46:26,750 It does like getting a big gratuitous Yeah, the Boy, the 3252 02:46:26,790 --> 02:46:29,270 Game of Thrones, Game of Thrones, the number of. 3253 02:46:29,270 --> 02:46:31,950 Dogs. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 3254 02:46:32,230 --> 02:46:35,070 Game of Thrones, Game of. Thrones sometimes you're like, 3255 02:46:35,110 --> 02:46:35,830 OK, we. Get it? 3256 02:46:35,990 --> 02:46:37,750 You know, it's like really books. 3257 02:46:37,830 --> 02:46:41,310 But do we? Need this like full pubic. 3258 02:46:41,310 --> 02:46:44,070 Shaving scene. Oh my God. 3259 02:46:44,350 --> 02:46:47,590 Oh dude, game. So Game of Thrones is the first 3260 02:46:47,590 --> 02:46:51,990 season I believe Littlefinger is talking to I. 3261 02:46:52,030 --> 02:46:53,950 It could be Lannister, it could be somebody else. 3262 02:46:53,950 --> 02:46:57,990 While two women are fingering each other, he's explaining. 3263 02:46:57,990 --> 02:47:01,030 How to do it correctly? And now listen, I'm telling you 3264 02:47:01,110 --> 02:47:03,310 again, I just don't have any issues with that. 3265 02:47:03,310 --> 02:47:07,670 But seen the callousness in way and it was it was a well filmed 3266 02:47:07,670 --> 02:47:10,630 scene to show you the callousness but it doesn't. 3267 02:47:11,830 --> 02:47:13,070 I was just like. OK. 3268 02:47:13,390 --> 02:47:15,310 Damn, how? Like it's a purely. 3269 02:47:15,310 --> 02:47:19,630 Mechanistic thing for him, he's just like systematic completely. 3270 02:47:19,630 --> 02:47:23,230 Divorced of, you know, because many people grew up on Pretty 3271 02:47:23,230 --> 02:47:26,510 Woman and it's like, Oh no, the lady of the night still got 3272 02:47:26,510 --> 02:47:28,670 feelings. You know, she still can love a 3273 02:47:28,670 --> 02:47:32,630 man and he can love her dirty soul and they can live together 3274 02:47:32,630 --> 02:47:34,470 forever. And he's like, no, use your 3275 02:47:34,470 --> 02:47:35,910 finger like this and you're like, damn. 3276 02:47:35,950 --> 02:47:38,230 OK, well, that's a lot. Yeah, it was. 3277 02:47:38,870 --> 02:47:41,110 Yeah. Did you see that one the night? 3278 02:47:41,110 --> 02:47:45,390 Of the A Night of the Kingdom, the newest 1 they did. 3279 02:47:45,430 --> 02:47:48,430 I've watched the 1st. 2 episodes. 3280 02:47:49,030 --> 02:47:50,950 Yeah, OK, I watched that, I thought. 3281 02:47:50,950 --> 02:47:52,750 That was quite good, I enjoyed that. 3282 02:47:52,750 --> 02:47:55,350 Do you think the comedy or. The was it? 3283 02:47:55,350 --> 02:48:00,470 Yeah, a bit more the. Comedy a bit more grounded, and 3284 02:48:01,990 --> 02:48:05,350 it's also short. It was kind of a nice short 3285 02:48:06,550 --> 02:48:09,670 story going on with. Do you think it helps too? 3286 02:48:09,670 --> 02:48:13,470 Because it's. Not the mechanisms of leadership 3287 02:48:13,550 --> 02:48:16,070 that are in Game of Thrones normally can get a little 3288 02:48:16,070 --> 02:48:17,470 tiresome. You're like, yes, this is the 3289 02:48:17,470 --> 02:48:19,230 leader of blah, blah, blah. This is the guy, blah, blah, 3290 02:48:19,230 --> 02:48:21,110 blah, this, that, that. Yeah. 3291 02:48:21,110 --> 02:48:22,470 All the politicking. Yeah. 3292 02:48:22,470 --> 02:48:24,990 All the politics and in. That one, at least the two 3293 02:48:24,990 --> 02:48:29,590 episodes I've seen, it's such a low level person that for the 3294 02:48:29,590 --> 02:48:33,230 most part he's just. Outside of that, yeah, he's just 3295 02:48:33,230 --> 02:48:34,910 sort of outside of that realm and. 3296 02:48:35,110 --> 02:48:37,630 I think the part I thought was funny, was he taking a piss or 3297 02:48:37,630 --> 02:48:39,510 did he get the shits behind a tree? 3298 02:48:39,950 --> 02:48:42,150 One of the two. But I was like, what's happening 3299 02:48:42,310 --> 02:48:43,070 in this show? Yeah. 3300 02:48:43,070 --> 02:48:44,270 Yeah, that. Definitely. 3301 02:48:45,070 --> 02:48:49,110 Yeah, the dude. Just like it's just like games 3302 02:48:49,110 --> 02:48:51,670 where like I had somebody tell me I watch the boys. 3303 02:48:51,670 --> 02:48:53,070 I watch. I finished it up and somebody's 3304 02:48:53,070 --> 02:48:56,670 like, OK, but what did they say? The exact words were let me, 3305 02:48:56,830 --> 02:48:59,510 I'll get this right, the end of the boys. 3306 02:48:59,510 --> 02:49:02,950 Is enough front. And an insult to me as a watcher 3307 02:49:02,950 --> 02:49:04,750 or whatever. And I was like, OK, listen, 3308 02:49:06,390 --> 02:49:08,230 maybe. I need to be insulted more. 3309 02:49:08,270 --> 02:49:11,430 But I was like, it was a show. It ended and it wasn't great. 3310 02:49:11,950 --> 02:49:13,830 That's it. I haven't seen the finale. 3311 02:49:13,830 --> 02:49:15,630 Yet did you? Yeah. 3312 02:49:15,790 --> 02:49:18,070 Yeah, I was just. You didn't like the ending. 3313 02:49:18,070 --> 02:49:20,830 It wasn't too much. It wasn't great, but it was. 3314 02:49:20,830 --> 02:49:24,710 Like, right. To put that much weight on it 3315 02:49:24,870 --> 02:49:27,990 and be like, it was an affront and I was offended and I was 3316 02:49:27,990 --> 02:49:30,630 like, wow. But was it like to the level of? 3317 02:49:30,630 --> 02:49:35,910 Game of Thrones final season like it was as bad I would say. 3318 02:49:36,910 --> 02:49:38,670 OK, so if. You look at game. 3319 02:49:38,670 --> 02:49:42,030 Of Thrones final season and you look at the Boys final episode. 3320 02:49:42,030 --> 02:49:44,590 The final season had some really fun parts in the Boys. 3321 02:49:44,590 --> 02:49:48,270 It just wasn't put together as they weren't the level wasn't 3322 02:49:48,270 --> 02:49:53,390 there where Game of Thrones the last season is like right pretty 3323 02:49:53,390 --> 02:49:55,870 much all over the. Place is but then you get like 3324 02:49:55,870 --> 02:49:59,630 lost where people are. Like Oh my God, lost sending is 3325 02:49:59,630 --> 02:50:01,590 the worst thing ever and I watched and I was like what are 3326 02:50:01,590 --> 02:50:04,710 you talking about? Like that was I rewatched it a 3327 02:50:04,710 --> 02:50:06,670 year. Ago and finished it up that was 3328 02:50:07,470 --> 02:50:08,710 there's only like 3. Ways to? 3329 02:50:08,710 --> 02:50:10,630 Finish that show. So it was like that was sort of 3330 02:50:10,630 --> 02:50:13,270 doable. I would say this is definitely 3331 02:50:13,270 --> 02:50:17,270 worse than lost. Its prop, its its ending is just 3332 02:50:17,270 --> 02:50:19,510 sort of like, oh, that wasn't as good as I thought. 3333 02:50:20,070 --> 02:50:24,150 But to get there, I still am not going to go back and neuter the 3334 02:50:24,150 --> 02:50:26,390 rest of it and say, oh, I hated everything and it was an 3335 02:50:26,390 --> 02:50:27,950 affront. I to be insulted. 3336 02:50:27,950 --> 02:50:30,630 I have to be insulted like a showcase because this is the end 3337 02:50:30,630 --> 02:50:31,750 of the show. Right. 3338 02:50:32,310 --> 02:50:33,430 Isn't it? Well, yeah. 3339 02:50:33,430 --> 02:50:38,430 And then they have their. Spin off Jensen, Echols and and 3340 02:50:38,710 --> 02:50:41,350 the supernatural guys I mean. I I. 3341 02:50:41,350 --> 02:50:43,710 Think it's just they have to wrap it up now. 3342 02:50:43,750 --> 02:50:46,870 It's at that point where you know, we, we've. 3343 02:50:46,870 --> 02:50:49,790 Seen so much of. It with, we've iterated through 3344 02:50:49,790 --> 02:50:52,910 all of these characters so much we really need to wrap it up. 3345 02:50:52,910 --> 02:50:56,430 So I will tell you once you watch, even if it's not, we'll 3346 02:50:56,430 --> 02:50:57,710 talk about it. I do. 3347 02:50:57,710 --> 02:51:01,390 Think yeah, I could. I think that if you know how, 3348 02:51:01,430 --> 02:51:02,870 yes, men, we were talking about that. 3349 02:51:03,070 --> 02:51:05,950 I think maybe the boys could have done with one or two Steves 3350 02:51:05,950 --> 02:51:09,230 in the room, Yeah. Hey, guys. 3351 02:51:09,870 --> 02:51:11,350 And dude, I'm not joking. When? 3352 02:51:11,350 --> 02:51:14,870 I say this, I actually do believe this should be a I'm not 3353 02:51:14,870 --> 02:51:17,550 joking at all. This is a true belief of mine 3354 02:51:17,550 --> 02:51:21,750 that if I was a showrunner, I think I would do that. 3355 02:51:22,350 --> 02:51:27,070 As in dragging some people that I know disagree and it sucks. 3356 02:51:27,070 --> 02:51:31,830 I know that, but and and have them sort of piece up the ending 3357 02:51:32,310 --> 02:51:36,190 so that I have to defend it because I actually believe you 3358 02:51:36,190 --> 02:51:39,470 could have had somebody. There's only a couple things you 3359 02:51:39,470 --> 02:51:41,630 could have fixed and had it actually have been probably the 3360 02:51:41,630 --> 02:51:43,990 best episode of the last season, which isn't saying much because 3361 02:51:43,990 --> 02:51:47,350 it's not the greatest season. But had it been, there was only 3362 02:51:47,350 --> 02:51:49,990 a couple things. And I've heard this thing said. 3363 02:51:49,990 --> 02:51:51,790 I'm not going to say what it is because I don't want to spoil it 3364 02:51:52,030 --> 02:51:55,670 where people like why did this thing happen here and blank 3365 02:51:56,750 --> 02:51:58,470 that. I feel has. 3366 02:51:58,470 --> 02:52:01,870 Been brought up by. Enough people that that would 3367 02:52:01,870 --> 02:52:04,190 have been something somebody would have seen or heard and 3368 02:52:04,190 --> 02:52:09,110 been like, wait a minute, if this is the end, maybe. 3369 02:52:09,110 --> 02:52:12,070 We should. But I think there's a nihilism 3370 02:52:12,190 --> 02:52:15,310 that I've seen, and Battlestar Galactica had this ending that 3371 02:52:15,310 --> 02:52:18,710 people said the same thing. They were like, why did it do 3372 02:52:18,710 --> 02:52:19,590 this? And I'm like, well, it wasn't 3373 02:52:19,590 --> 02:52:22,950 that bad. But I do also agree that there's 3374 02:52:22,950 --> 02:52:27,030 a nihilistic view in The Boys. And if you look at Battlestar 3375 02:52:27,030 --> 02:52:31,670 Galactica, the cyclic nature, there's a cyclic nature in The 3376 02:52:31,670 --> 02:52:34,590 Boys. And it's like, oh, maybe the 3377 02:52:34,590 --> 02:52:36,710 showrunner becomes a bit nihilistic. 3378 02:52:37,110 --> 02:52:41,990 And it's sort of deep into that nihilism of like, we can't end 3379 02:52:42,070 --> 02:52:45,670 with like this. This sort of happy. 3380 02:52:45,670 --> 02:52:48,950 Go Lucky thing and Stranger Things got brought up for this. 3381 02:52:48,950 --> 02:52:52,070 Stranger Things last episode. I was OK with it. 3382 02:52:52,350 --> 02:52:54,830 I think there was one or two things that they could have done 3383 02:52:54,830 --> 02:52:57,870 to make that the best episode. And I feel like all these we're 3384 02:52:57,870 --> 02:53:02,270 talking about, there's like 3, there's one thing per each one 3385 02:53:02,270 --> 02:53:04,790 of these episodes that if you had changed it, instead of 3386 02:53:04,790 --> 02:53:07,830 saying, oh man, people would have been like, that's the best 3387 02:53:07,830 --> 02:53:10,230 episode of the season, not the best episode of the show. 3388 02:53:10,430 --> 02:53:12,870 But I think you could have done that with the boys. 3389 02:53:12,870 --> 02:53:14,510 I think you could have done it with Battlestar. 3390 02:53:14,790 --> 02:53:17,190 With Battlestar in particular, there's only two things where 3391 02:53:17,190 --> 02:53:19,670 I'm like, that's weird that they didn't do that because it feels 3392 02:53:19,670 --> 02:53:23,510 like it just makes sense. But yeah, well, I, I can't wait. 3393 02:53:23,550 --> 02:53:26,230 I can't wait for you to see it because Supernatural I think 3394 02:53:26,230 --> 02:53:28,110 ended really well and some people had some issues with that 3395 02:53:28,110 --> 02:53:29,350 too. And I actually think 3396 02:53:29,350 --> 02:53:34,870 Supernatural ended in one of the only ways it probably probably 3397 02:53:36,470 --> 02:53:37,550 with 15. Seasons. 3398 02:53:37,550 --> 02:53:39,430 Very curious. Yourself into a hole to get 3399 02:53:39,430 --> 02:53:40,390 there. Some some. 3400 02:53:40,430 --> 02:53:41,750 I think you'll be fine with it some point. 3401 02:53:41,950 --> 02:53:43,550 I think you'll be fine with it anyway. 3402 02:53:43,670 --> 02:53:45,470 We're going to wrap this up with you streaming this weekend. 3403 02:53:46,550 --> 02:53:50,430 Cool. So I'm playing some Forza and 3404 02:53:50,430 --> 02:53:54,270 League of Legends this weekend on the stream. 3405 02:53:54,430 --> 02:53:57,910 I also did a video today about Subnautica 2 if people want to 3406 02:53:57,910 --> 02:54:01,670 hear more of my thoughts. I got that on my on my channel 3407 02:54:01,670 --> 02:54:07,430 as well on like. Just your overall the the. 3408 02:54:07,430 --> 02:54:10,030 Gaming. Yeah, if you search Johnny Plays 3409 02:54:10,030 --> 02:54:13,790 Live, it's like I call them spotlights. 3410 02:54:13,790 --> 02:54:18,470 So they're not full on reviews, but they are kind of a spotlight 3411 02:54:18,470 --> 02:54:20,870 to the game. What are the cool parts of it? 3412 02:54:21,230 --> 02:54:24,110 That spoke to me why I want to talk about the game. 3413 02:54:25,510 --> 02:54:27,190 That's smart. Yeah, so people check. 3414 02:54:27,190 --> 02:54:30,630 That out Johnny plays live on YouTube and I'm going to be 3415 02:54:30,630 --> 02:54:35,310 streaming Valorant. That would be a shocker dude if. 3416 02:54:35,310 --> 02:54:40,110 I see you tomorrow boot up like YouTube stream playing Valorant 3417 02:54:40,710 --> 02:54:42,910 Wow, now we've thought about. Doing a couple streams. 3418 02:54:42,910 --> 02:54:46,270 But. It's just too much. 3419 02:54:46,270 --> 02:54:48,270 I mean, there's. Like especially right now where 3420 02:54:48,270 --> 02:54:49,990 I live, there's always an interruption. 3421 02:54:49,990 --> 02:54:52,870 There's a dog. Nobody else is bothered by this. 3422 02:54:52,870 --> 02:54:56,110 I watched a stream from somebody who I really like and they had 3423 02:54:56,110 --> 02:54:58,950 like a dog bark, a mailman come. But I'm always stressed about 3424 02:54:58,950 --> 02:55:00,870 that. Like, like if I'm sitting here, 3425 02:55:00,870 --> 02:55:02,710 I want to be sitting here. But yeah, there's been a couple 3426 02:55:02,710 --> 02:55:05,030 times I've started streaming it. I would, if I, if I do, I'll 3427 02:55:05,030 --> 02:55:08,470 stream something nobody expects. It'd be like Valorant or it'd be 3428 02:55:08,470 --> 02:55:11,830 like, yeah, League of League. Of Legends OH division. 3429 02:55:11,830 --> 02:55:13,750 Two, I would love to, I mean, you know, 'cause that's just 3430 02:55:13,750 --> 02:55:15,350 having fun. The League of Legends, something 3431 02:55:15,350 --> 02:55:19,070 that I people know I'm streaming like NBA2K. 3432 02:55:21,270 --> 02:55:22,870 That'll be it for us. I want to say thanks. 3433 02:55:22,870 --> 02:55:24,430 To Johnny, as always, thanks you guys. 3434 02:55:24,430 --> 02:55:28,510 Silver will be back next week. He was out last week and we 3435 02:55:28,510 --> 02:55:30,510 usually just always have him alternating. 3436 02:55:30,510 --> 02:55:32,630 So he'll be back next week unless something else happens. 3437 02:55:32,630 --> 02:55:35,670 He had a family issue. You'll be able to see some 3438 02:55:35,670 --> 02:55:38,430 videos from me next week. It's sort of a tight week 3439 02:55:39,510 --> 02:55:40,990 waiting on some. Waiting on some. 3440 02:55:40,990 --> 02:55:43,910 Code, but that'll be it for us. Thank you everybody for showing 3441 02:55:43,910 --> 02:55:46,750 up, hanging out with us. We hope you have a excellent 3442 02:55:46,750 --> 02:55:48,430 weekend. Enjoy whatever you're playing, 3443 02:55:48,430 --> 02:55:59,070 watching, listening to, driving, painting, massaging. 3444 02:56:04,350 --> 02:56:06,070 What? What? 3445 02:56:07,350 --> 02:56:09,350 It doesn't have to be SUS, you know you're. 3446 02:56:09,350 --> 02:56:12,510 Just sculpting maybe, but I. Don't know about massaging. 3447 02:56:12,590 --> 02:56:13,790 Anyway, that'll be let's go with that. 3448 02:56:13,990 --> 02:56:15,430 Thank everybody. Peace out. 3449 02:56:17,430 --> 02:56:19,150 Massaging. What the fuck? 3450 02:56:19,230 --> 02:56:20,190 I didn't expect that.