Body chop sleep. So I like sleep like this and
what I found is tucking. No Lyman if you have like a
short sleeve shirt on for sleep. Yeah, if I grab my sleeve and I
put my arm in the shirt, it actually is super comfortable,
like a child put in. Their it is cozy.
And it holds. You're being embraced.
Yeah, 'cause like when I go to sleep I wish one arm wasn't
connected 'cause I'm like dude, this fucking arm is useless
'cause I put one under my under my head.
But I do have a tendency to sleep splayed weird like I'll
sleep with I'll sleep like this and then wake up in my yeah, my
arm certainly Sup everybody that's scared with ACG and I'm
here with Johnny for the best gaming podcast #591 we're going
to be talking about, well, actually some big news that
popped in the last couple. What last day or so, right?
Last day was Bungie. There's Bungie, there's state of
play, there's Xbox for some reason asking everybody how to
lead them, which is already making me nervous.
I don't want I don't dude, sorry.
Let me let me. Do you seriously think a survey
to fans should run a company? Like when they ask what do you
guys want from Xbox? Terrible.
I do. Good games, good games and, and
hopefully those games do well. That's 'cause they're not always
going to do well. The good games not always going
to do well. But I don't want to because it's
weird. It's like it's if you ask, OK,
so you either need us to tell you which is you're incompetent
as shit, or it's fake. I mean, because the people
you're talking to are on Twitter and stuff like that's not the
majority of people that you sell.
To my hope is that it's fake. That's like performative.
Performative. Like those glint surveys.
Like, yeah, we heard you. Yep, Yep.
Or like a self, a self eval or like a leader eval.
You're like, yeah, we know where this is going.
'Cause we don't know what we want, you know?
I mean, we like to think we do, but then, yeah, we don't know.
Yeah, and I. Don't want to?
Run a multi. We're not directors.
If I did, you know what? You know what had happened, I'd
fucking go to work for a multinational corporation and
try to run it. I wouldn't.
I don't it Yeah, dude, it's weird.
It's weird not to dis on them. Hey, it's cool people.
I mean, I, I'll, I'll tell you what, the stuff that I've been
seeing all the time from them definitely doesn't put more
confidence in it. So far, I haven't seen a, a
single thing that's made me more confident, but I haven't seen a
single thing that's made me less confident.
What I've seen is a company doing the same thing that's
happened for the last 150 years, which is when ACEO takes over.
They just sort of, you know, they're just in things, they're
doing their own stuff. And pretty much nothing you see
right there is the way it's going to be, you know, in the
future. You're being asked about your
camera. I don't know what he's talking.
About yeah, trying a new lens out just a lens yeah people tell
us in the comments is it is it terrible?
Is it better I? Mean dude, it's identical.
It's. We're.
Literally identical. It's wider, but I mean it's
identical. It's not like what if you did
turn it on though. And you?
Find out. You're breaking my heart dude.
I spent like an hour testing this and putting it at like, OK,
it's a new angle. Dude, do you know what you
should want from technical stuff on a stream?
For it to not be worse 'cause cause yours is pretty high level
so the fact that I'm not saying it's worse is.
I'll take that then, yeah. It's literally the same picture,
it's just a little wider. That's that's what you would
want, right? You know that meme from the
office? It's the same picture.
Oh. Yeah, yeah, I that's.
They're the same picture. That's.
The one meme I do know from the office, yeah, it looks
identical. I'm not going to glaze you up,
dude. I'm not like, that's that.
You know me, man. That's not me.
Let other people glaze you up, man.
Let you glaze them up. They can glaze you up.
Whatever happens behind closed doors, you know, it's fine.
Yeah. But no, seriously, we do have
some really good. We got some, We got some good,
like, overall stuff to talk about.
I think the you know. Go on that point real quick.
Yeah, 'cause you touched on the like, nothing's changed on Xbox.
But actually the response has been overwhelmingly positive
from all the every, I've seen so many videos from all the usual
Youtubers. You know, the response is, well,
it is actually a glaze towards, you know, the new leadership and
everything they've been doing. And I, I, I don't know if I'm
missing something, but it hasn't been that big, you know, it's
been smaller changes, you know, like it's the logo.
It's no, you're focusing on games.
Yeah, yeah, they've, they've fooled people for sure.
I mean, there's nobody who's doing a video.
It's a bit of APR. Of course it is.
Yeah, yeah, of course. Perception, yeah, yeah.
It. I think a lot of people are
doing videos because there's no big games coming out right now.
Forza is already done. So it's like, do a video on what
Xbox is saying, you know, I mean, and let's be honest, for
many people, Xbox fans, Xbox PlayStation podcasts, console
war podcasts, this is what they need to stay relevant.
So like they're going to feed into it too.
And then you might also just have I, I think it's a little
weird if you're above the age of like 17.
I don't think most people are super console, true super
console warriors. I think a lot of it's
performative now, but yeah. I think so I.
Mean that that kind of that kind of answer is normal and that
kind of response is normal. And you, you know it and I know
it. Just watch Rory take the piss
out of people. He's like, humans are easily
fooled. I mean, we are easily fooled.
There's a reason. Why you could go?
Back to spouses who bang somebody else 'cause we are
easily fooled. Oh, dude.
Oh yeah, we're so we want to believe.
You do. You wanna believe?
Yeah. You wanna believe?
Yep. I love that we've cultivated our
audience move. Yeah.
Good one. Yeah, that's a song, actually.
I continued. OK, sorry.
She can hit that just. Yeah.
The vibrato, yeah. And then?
And then her Roboto, you know, she does a lot of post
processing, but I love, I mean, she's 80 fucking 100 years old.
So a little bit of auto tune isn't going to isn't going to
kill Cher, but yeah. I was just going to say I love
that we've cultivated our audience to know who Rory
Sutherland is. Oh yeah.
In such a way that we can just say Rory for short and everybody
knows instantly. Yeah, yeah, actually, I had some
people leave. Well, I don't know, that's not
the right way to frame this. I had some people start watching
our podcast who were watching another one that was doing a
bunch and you know, like the typical numbers thing.
And then when they when they contacted me, I was like, well,
hey man, I really appreciate it. What?
Because I like to occasionally ask like, what caused you to do
it? And they're like, because I
started to see some of the stuff you were talking about, which is
just like how easily fooled it is or how the podcasts are just
like, let's read numbers to appear like we know those
numbers statistically. It's why we, it's why whenever
I'm reading numbers, I always try to like look into the data
'cause you can screw some shit up pretty quickly by just
reading a number and being like 20% of all percentages are fake.
And you're like, wait a minute. Yeah, sometimes you just read
the title and it's deceiving, and then you say that as if
that's the fact, but you know. Yeah, we're going to be fact
based or fact based as we continue.
Like, especially last three or four years, I was just like, oh,
right. I think this, I think it makes
more sense, especially as games get more expensive.
We're going to have to break things down even more.
You know, I saw some people saying they weren't getting Bond
and weren't getting Lego because they were 70.
Now, I don't know if 70 is a true breaking point for me.
It means I save up an extra 10 bucks.
You know, maybe I saved for one week longer.
Yeah, but it is when you add 3 or 4 at 70 bucks now you've got
another game you could have bought that you can't buy, you
know what I mean? And then it and then for from
that point on, it's progressively, you're always
progressively behind. So.
And it's that psychology thing where the 1st digit is higher,
so it kind of makes you think differently about it.
Yep, Yep, absolutely. Let's talk about Bungie though.
So Bungie announced yesterday they did a big thing.
They're like, it's time to begin, which is weird timing
because they prior to that on the side podcast, I talked about
some of the stuff I had heard, which was that there was going
to be some big changes and they they happen the very next day.
So here we are. We got we got them basically
saying we're deciding to move forward journey on from Destiny.
They did meander around what they said.
They said it's a new journey, but Destiny and the the world of
Destiny lives needs to live beyond Destiny 1 and 2, which
could mean, you know, I've heard people for the last couple
months be like, hey, do they sell the destiny property to
somebody like they sold Halo? They absolutely could, right?
Like I don't think people realize you could sell, you
could see them sell the debt, you know, Sony and them just
come together and be like, or you can see them leave like
they've left every other company once the company figures out how
bad they are. So could be any would.
You hate that. If they decided to just kind of
move that or sell that, pass that on.
I like destiny, men. I like destiny.
I mean, I yeah, yeah, I. Think yeah, the bones are great.
I'm teasing when I say, you know that I don't mean any of the
workers. I mean their leadership
obviously has had issues. So if, if the if, if they can
figure out a way to have a Destiny game.
There's been rumors of other, I'll just say game types that
aren't the shooter or aren't what we see as, you know,
service. Service game shooters.
Yeah, I would. Yeah.
I'd be all for it. I'd be, dude.
As long as they stay employed #1 which I'm assuming Sony's going
to absorb some. Sony's in pretty dire shape
because of their service game situation where they had all the
service games planned and now they've got some planned, but
some aren't. So hey, if you need the bungee
staff to help you like they wanted originally, that would be
great too to help some of these companies get their games done a
little quicker or have their games be better not.
Saying that, do you think the the consoles selling lower now
is a big hit to their bottom line or is that just kind of a
side income compared to games and everything else?
Well, we'll talk about it during the State of play, but there's
definitely some pretty big rumors about this state of play.
And it seems like, you know how sometimes somebody will run 4
laps and on that third lap they sort of that last maybe 4th, 4th
of the lap. In the third lap they're a
little slower and then they burst it for the last lap.
It does feel like Sony is bursting towards Agta 6 launch
and and rumor is they got the P. Saving a Sprint.
Yeah, rumor is they got the publishing deal.
Like not the publishing deal, the PR deal to basically say
it's on our system. I don't think Microsoft would
have even bid for it because why?
Yeah. We'll have to see.
Make sense? I have a feeling this state.
Of play is going to have GTA in it.
Which would be, That would be huge, Yeah, yeah.
Well, they've stated in their videos this is on the PS-5.
You know, this is running on a real PS-5 dev kit, a real PS-5
hardware a couple times. So it's like, I think at the
bottom they said that one time. So you're like, hmm, they didn't
say XY series S or sorry, series XI would do the opposite.
I would show them the lowest level.
If it was me, I'd be like, you know how good GTA is going to
motherfucking look. This is GTA on the series S Show
them be like this is this is on or the lowest common denominator
of all the next Gen. systems right now.
Look at that. That's how good this game is
going to look and then you show them the next ones.
But. That shows confidence, yeah.
Oh, dude, yeah. And they should be.
But anyway, so Bungie, yeah, they stated that this journey is
going to continue forward, blah blah blah.
And for some reason you're being asked about your clothing now.
I've no clue what's going on to this is getting creepy.
Out of shit. This is like some inside jokes
where like people tell me I'm wearing the same the same shirt.
Is that the same face, Johnny? But but back to games anyway.
So yeah. So this is going on with them.
I don't know, I don't know what you think, but I'd love to see a
Destiny three. I would love to see a Destiny 3.
And I hope what they meant was, was it in the that they're
working on coming up with some ideas.
But then I was told when I was talking about it in our that
there wasn't too many. And this was last week that
there wasn't really anything 3 being worked on.
And now it seems like that rumor has been once again backed up by
Jason, who said somewhat of the same thing was that there's been
a lot of game pitches but none have caught on and that there's
some layoffs planned. And if that's true, that's even
worse, right? That's.
Because that. Means today if they started
working, you're talking four years from now, five years for a
new destiny for destiny three that's five years of making sure
your company has no problems five years of the industry's RAM
situation five years of consoles maybe not selling you know what
I mean there's a. Lot there.
What's up, Eternal? I'd prefer Bungie to do
something less live service, more meeting.
Yeah, Yeah, I think a lot of people are thinking that, like,
what if you do a Bungie? Listen, bear with me when I say
this, but imagine a Call of Duty without the multiplayer that was
a Bungie destiny. What I mean by that is just a
campaign almost Halo like. But instead of doing the other
things, all this other stuff just being like, boom, here's
here's here is Destiny like in the Halo Call of Duty format,
which is, you know, your multiple levels, your maybe 8
hour, 10 hour campaign with a story that's meaty, not stolen
from another author, that's like real, that's yours and you
reset. I don't know if Bungie and
Destiny can reset though, because I don't know if the
fiction. It's almost like those worlds
where the hero is so big that any other hero is a loser, you
know? And.
We're we're sort of stuck with that.
I want to let the optimist in me wants to believe that people
like a comeback story and that it would be, people would, would
buy into that if they said, you know what, yeah, we, we know we
messed up in the, in, like here and there.
And we, we've learned from that. We're going for a fresh start.
Here's the approach. Here's the idea.
Destiny 3 and it's brand new, maybe doesn't even connect, you
know, with the story or whatever.
It's just like a new thing. Yeah.
Anti Sky SEK 27. What did we figure out SEK was?
Was that Thai? That is Swedish Swedish bucks.
Swedish bucks, Swedish bucks. Thanks for the 27 Swedish bucks.
Hope you're doing well. Yeah, official Swedish bucks
coming in. Yeah, man, you know, it's I
mean, it's about time. I think everybody thought this
was sort of the thing, right, That they were probably that not
much would seem to be going on so.
Yeah, Bloomberg mentioned, yeah, exactly because what I'm just
saying, Bloomberg reported Bungie was planning on
significant layoffs at the studio there.
We don't know what that's going to mean or if may, like you
said, maybe some some of it will be absorbed by Sony.
So like it. It looks like a layoff from
Bungie standpoint, but maybe it's people moving into other
studios. Yeah, yeah.
Maybe that I'm, I'm hoping that could be the case, but yeah, it
sucks to see. I it makes sense though, right?
I mean, they're ending that project, even if they're
starting a new one Makes sense. They perhaps can't operate with
the full footprint they had before.
Maybe they also shrink up but put some people on marathon and
try to cause marathon. Definitely.
I mean, it's a. Game could.
Use some people there, Yeah, to get to get output at a higher
level and to get a reason for people to stick with it when
right now service games are tough, you know, tough.
Stuff. It's possible they'll become a
support. Yeah, support would be, you
know, but I have not heard support.
What I did here and it is now backing, it's continually being
backed up, is that it's not support, it's it's movement and
some stuff to do with them pushing new games as well as
possibly some smaller Destiny stuff.
Craig Hawk, 1010 LB Super chat. Happy weekend, everybody.
Yeah, dude, isn't it awesome? It's a weekend.
I was talking to Johnny about this prior, man.
Like lately, weekends, weeks have been going fast.
This one was, yes, one was weird.
This one was bumpy. This was a bumpy week.
Not in a bad way, just, well, yeah, sort of a bad way, man.
Like just, I don't know, it's been a weird one.
Like almost every games leaked. Bond leaked onto store shelves
last night. So people were playing Bond.
I believe you can only play the first level before it needs to
download, but the physical disc is out there.
And then Lego leaked and then what was the other one that
leaked did for? No, not Forza.
There was another one that leaked.
It's like a bunch of games are leaking, which makes content
creation a little bit more difficult.
It's been a it's been a odd one, man.
Oh and then did you hear about Valorant?
Did you hear the news about Valorant?
Is it? Let me make sure this is
Valorant dude, pretty crazy news.
Let me give me one second. So this came in on the gaming
games. OK, thankfully I didn't open the
show with this, but basically the original story this morning
is Valorant's new Vanguard update seems to be bricking
cheaters PCs Riot's response was Congrats on your 60 or $6000
paperweights which I thought was awesome.
Wow. So the thing here's here's what
people are saying, here's the sort of the update Vanguard
isn't isn't bricking PCs. There's a $6000 DMA card that
cheaters are using to try to get around it.
Yes, and this person says yes. Cheating has gotten to the point
where cheaters are buying hardware that costs thousands of
dollars. What's happening is a built in
Windows security features being triggered which prevents the
device from being used for cheating.
Any instances of PCs bricking seems to be caused by Windows
and the card having issues as that talking goes back and
forth. Yeah.
And the $6000 paperweight line is actually them Valorance devs
stating your $6000 DMA card is now bad and good luck on your
paperweight. So they so it's not like.
On Gamers. An average homie.
It's not just trying to have a good time.
Yeah. And like boom, your PC is gone.
I'm glad. I'm glad they cleared that up
because I was like, hey, listen, I love the idea of smashing
somebody, but I don't like the idea of smashing somebody's PC
you. Know and and let's be honest,
Vanguard has a lot of issues people get blue screens they it
it boots with your computer in such a way that yeah it's.
A full. It's a it's full root.
You know like if that if if in the middle of a game it let's
say it crashes. The only way to bring it back up
is to restart your PC. Like that thing is like an alien
directly inserted into. Your system.
Did you see? But it works.
Yeah, dude, people are using, people are turning their
hypervisor off in Windows to to run some of these hacked games
too. And I'm like in this day and age
when a script Kitty who was also into video games can read that
you're turning your hypervisor off and is just writing scripts
consistently to attack stuff like that.
Like of. All things in the world. 60
bucks, 120 bucks you save is not going to be worth you losing
your identity because if that let's say somebody gets into
your system or something. Let's say let's ignore
ransomware, which is scary. Let's say just into your system.
If your identity gets stolen, that's forever.
Even if they fix it, it's literally, we have people in our
Discord who have had their identity stolen and it comes up
five years later, six years later when they apply for stuff.
It is a game changer when it comes to applying for homes,
cars, proven who you are, blah, blah, blah.
The idea of going in and just being like, yeah, I'm going to
turn off the major system that's there for, you know, for, like,
Windows being not hacked is crazy, man.
I don't know of any game that's worth that.
Maybe an Advent Rising too. Maybe for Advent Rising too.
I'd do it, you know, maybe. It is crazy.
People are going to these lengths like buying hardware of
this cost to get around that. Yeah.
And it might be like farming accounts and that type of stuff,
you know, because there's a huge market for selling accounts.
And account names or whatever. Yeah, I'm surprised Valorants
DRM doesn't check that. And go.
This name was created on this hardware certificate and then
you can't like you know you were in.
Yeah, they they don't link your account you're.
In Sweden and so therefore it's no longer valid.
Yeah, yeah. Interestingly enough, they don't
do any of those checks. The only thing is the e-mail
link, so then you could just link it to a different e-mail.
They have some ways right to kind of find it and then find
linked accounts and stuff. But yeah.
Yeah. Oh, somebody new.
Yeah. Cult of the Lambini.
Yeah, I love this thing. Oh yeah, nice.
Creeps people out when you're walking around town with it
though. Like I don't know, is that your
chakra, your third eye showing? I I only have one third eye and
that's my brown eye. If you're seeing that one,
you're a proctologist. Moving on from there.
Moving on from that gross sentence, let's discuss.
Great. Let's discuss layoffs.
So let's say they get laid off. From proctology directly into.
Or from. Other stuff directly.
Into proctology, which has both. Both are shit.
Yeah. Pun intended.
It can go. It can go either way.
So. So if Bungie, if Bungie people
do get laid off, I think those guys are going to get sucked up
pretty quick. Definitely Sony, you know,
they're pretty open. So is Microsoft about taking
people from their own internal dev lines when they get laid
off? So that'll be good if that
happens. We don't want that to happen,
obviously. And then what I would love to
see is I would love to see Sony this, we'll start, we'll go into
the play event, we'll go into state of play.
I would love Sony to really show a lot of stuff like this.
This state of play in particular, supposed to be 90
minutes. Now, the reason why I'm not
super interested is their state of plays, even if they do
special events and all this stuff are almost always shit.
And it it's difficult to not do it because you have a ton of
events. They've got Steam events or the
summer, but the summer event that's coming up, they've got
the Game Awards. You have these other places
where you know people are watching, but at the state of
Play. I think this is, I think Sony's
low sales. Once they did that big, once
they did, they announced the rise.
They got all those sales and then sales cratered to the
lowest week ever. I think they need to show some
stuff so that they can roll into next year through GTA of this
year. Be the number one console for
GTA this year, right? And.
Then roll into next year with some bangers and I'm sorry,
'cause I can't wait to play it. But Wolverine ain't a banger.
It's not. You know what we're talking
about as the big no, it's not what we're talking.
About no, no, no, they need new, new, new like they need to show
something that it doesn't need to be like the end of the world,
like it's a brand new type of game.
I'm not saying that. I'm saying these are known
entities already. They need like excitement to
offset a $200 increase in your console with the same low power
they there is you have because dude, you have to make up the
low sales back to your normal sales and then you have to sell
more at the higher. Price, that's right, yeah.
That's a hard dude. I've ran in companies like that
where we raise the price and people don't realize.
It's like it's not just that they raise the price.
We have to keep the sales at least there or higher and eat up
the drop in sales when you raise the price.
So you might have like might go down by 200.
You now can't just do 200 and get back to.
You have to do because that's why you raise the price in the
1st place. You have to go 200 and another
200. So it's like it's very difficult
to figure out what they would do.
But I think they show Interstellar or whatever that
game is with the bald protagonist, the chick, the
Naughty Dog's new game. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
Love to love to see that. That could be the thing, because
Naughty Dog has the name for it, you know?
And I feel like right now we're in space heaven, we're in sci-fi
heaven. If I were this, I would I would
hire the Exodus devs and the Expanse devs.
Maybe not Expanse that didn't land well, but the Exodus devs
and show a couple space games so that people sort of like see
cause 'cause it it's tangentially connected to Mass
Effect love, you're seeing it all the time.
Whenever anybody mentions Exodus you see people mentioning
fucking like. Yeah, all the time.
So like, why don't we just, you know, piggyback on that because
superhero stuff, I'm sorry, it's great and it'll sell well, but
it's not I it's not. I think you said it well.
It's like space is the flavour of the moment.
It it seems to. Be and superheroes ain't it, you
know, they they had a time where that was the the peak, right?
Like Avengers, Infinity Gems, you know, whatever Infinity
Wars, like that was the height of it.
People were excited and anything surrounding that is really big
now. It's kind of like, yeah, the
Boys is cool, but then like, should I watch this new Marvel
movie? That's kind of the level of
excitement. Yeah, yeah, it needs a little
bit of rest, right. And and 3rd party is probably
not it unless it's space. I think that's a big thing.
They might have somebody else show something, who knows.
But remember they're still, they're still showing on an old
console now, not old in the way that like I'm saying it's shit.
I'm just saying there is no surprise with the console.
There is no that's not. Yeah, there's no new version.
There's no new version. There's no whatever it's going
to be. Here's the thing.
What do we do? Yeah, so.
And you think state of play is going to be the the best kind
of? I.
Place to I. I'm saying their.
State of plays have. Been terrible and they've done a
great job of lowering people's expectations of the state of
play to the point of nothing. Yeah, the.
Last minute. People who were in it, even in
the chat, were like, I am literally here because there is
nothing else going on right now. Wasn't the last one pretty good
actually? Like people were actually
surprised that it didn't suck. People are always surprised,
every single one. Somebody will always say it
doesn't suck, but if you go and look at it, you're just like,
it. Was it slightly better than some
of their terrible ones? Maybe.
Yeah.
I think it was decent.
They're notoriously not good with their state of place and
this would be a great time when you're the only competitor.
Microsoft has basically stated, guys, we're the next is what
we're doing and we're playing these things.
But this also goes into the discussion of, you know, Sony
pulled their games off the PC and now we finally have the
confirmation that it was announced to the Sony employees.
I know people were saying, oh, it's not happening.
It's like, no, it was for sure happening.
I mean, there was some, there's some information out there that
was like, no, this is for sure happening.
There were devs who were like, Yep, this is for sure happening.
So we're now stuck with, I mean, you're sort of in a rock and a
hard place, man, because Yep, you don't have a new system.
You've got these games that aren't even out other than Soros
that no one knows about. So there's no reason to buy the
system. There's no reason to be excited
that they've pulled something back.
People are genuinely excited. It was on PC.
People who own it on console were excited.
That's how excited people were that their games were on PC.
But if Helix is true and we've seen I I think Digital Foundry
said this too. I think we all agree.
I I mean, you and I talked about this months ago, but it's like,
it does feel like in general, it's sort of shoring up your
walls because you don't want your games being played on a
consoles that's a competitors. And the Helix, as of what last
last January when they talked about it, we're like, yeah, it's
going to play PC games now we're open having Steam on there.
So Sony looked at it was like, yeah, we don't want to do that.
Microsoft is doing very well for themselves, selling games on
Sony's console. So now Sony has a lot of the
Microsoft stuff. Sony's got a dearth of games.
They don't have anything. So this is the state of play
where it would be you got to sell it.
You can't sell it like you used to it.
It can't be a year old price PlayStation state of play.
It has to be your new how much how much is the PlayStation gone
up in price 100 and. 50. In total.
I actually don't know the number, I know it was around 100
bucks. Yeah, so they were, they were
not nailing State of Plays when it was $100 cheaper or 150 or
whatever. It's up now.
They need to nail it so that it's that new hotness that
somebody doesn't say, well, I can spend 600 on a video card
and play my PC, you know. So, yeah, man, I don't know,
State of Play. Hopefully there's something
space would be great. Yeah.
Yeah, I'm loving this phase of like space games coming out.
Love me some space. Spanky Steve $5 super chat Thank
you for the Super chat. As you guys know we don't do
sponsorships including Vessy shit shoes so if you guys want
to throw some dude, I got a bunch of people responding.
To that, you really hate those shoes, man.
I hate, no, I just hate sponsorship stuff.
And I hate when people pretend, yeah, you'll see somebody show
up in their fucking combat boots and their Vans and then the next
day they lie I to you. And they're like, I haven't worn
anything but Vessie in six months.
And you see a podcast where they show their shoes 3 weeks prior
and they've forgotten and it's a pair of fucking Vans.
Or they have their feet up on the desk where they're talking
during the stream and they're like Vessie shoes.
The only shoes I've worn fucking.
I hate the lies, man. We're smarter than that.
We are.
We're smarter than that, Spanky says as someone who loves a 90s
JDM era of cars. Forza Horizon 6 cannot come to
PC or to PS-5 sooner. Dude, it's selling way well too,
damn. I, I can relate to that because
I also like some of those 90s cars, like some Mazdas and like
Nissan's and stuff from, from that time.
And they, they have so many great ones.
And the way you kind of discover them when you're driving around
and they're just parked there and you can buy them at a
discount and you go like, what a find, you know, it's just, it's
great, man. Yeah, yeah.
Well, I mean, it's, you know, I think we're even asked about 1
of this. Brad says.
The fact that, you know, Vessy, their ad was successful.
I also know what Nazis are not super successful knowledge.
Well, it's like a. At all.
Like at all. It's like Pirates of the
Caribbean. It's like, at least you heard of
me, the pirate thing, like you're the worst pirate ever.
But but you did hear. Infamy, dude, that's one of the
famous is an infamy, and if anybody tries to tell you it is,
they are they're probably the. Same.
The words are close, but yeah, yeah, yeah.
Forza 6 is pretty good. I do mish.
I do miss adaptive triggers though.
Man. I don't, I, I do, I, I have
them, I have the ability to to play it on the PC with them, but
I haven't, I haven't turned a PlayStation controller on in a
while. So I don't know.
I don't know what bonus I would get out of them.
But regardless, you'll be able to do that in a couple months.
If you like adaptive, adaptive adaptive triggers.
Yeah, it's cool. Cool people be able to play it.
Have they have they announced the release date for
PlayStation? I thought they said six months.
Maybe it's a year. OK, maybe it's a year.
And dude, they sold a lot. I mean, I don't know how many,
but apparently at least in our groups, that land group I'm in,
they saw a lot. They sold a lot of Series S
consoles with men like a lot of people I know are like fuck it
it's 1/4 of the price of a video card.
I'm just going to play it on a Series S and just drive around
and have a good time for I. Can see that, yeah.
As a polar man Forza. It is.
There's something about it, that horizon in particular, that does
really well so. Yeah, for Microsoft might be one
of the biggest games they have, right?
Yep, Yep, I know. Well, now they have Call of Duty
under their belt, so that's probably.
From them, but yeah, Call of Duty is now theirs.
Yeah. So, yeah, true.
Yeah, yeah. Forza is just.
Forza Horizon in particular just is a fun.
There's something about it that's just laid back, man.
You know, it's not a SIM. It's just let's just sit back
and drive around and have a good time, get cars, collect them,
customize them. They're not going super
realistic. You know, it's it's always going
to be more of the more of the sit back and have fun kind of
game and it is a blast. In that way, super fun.
And it boy, is it, you know, it's got that shield of light,
as I call it, where about 200 feet in front of you can see all
the effects turning on. Yeah, the AOE around you, yeah.
Dude, it is. It's like a paladin being like,
you know. It is healed, yeah, Yeah.
That being said, yeah, fuck man, that, you know, the game just
is, is excellent. Yeah, it just looks so good,
man. By the way, you dropped the word
of the day back there. You said dearth, which initially
I thought was girth. But dearth refers to the
scarcity or lack of something. Yeah, I didn't know.
So word of the day for me. Good one, Dearth.
There we go. Dearth.
Like, most gamers have a dearth of sexual partners, right?
That's how you would use. It right, Just put it in the
sentence, yeah. Dearth.
Yeah, man. Yeah.
I mean, it's yeah, it's got to be one of their biggest titles
of all time. And it's also a title that
because they do the seasons and for most people it's not
considered the typical micro even though it is for some
people or for many people it doesn't seem to be egregious.
So they seem to be genuinely happy with how it delivers
content and open world fun racing game drive guitars are
good driving. Around they legit have some of
the best DLCS in games they do. Yeah, they do.
They do. Yeah, they're very creative.
Yeah, I would say Assassin's Creed.
Obviously their DLCS are great. I would say Forza Horizons.
DLCS are close, Yeah, yeah, like, ought to say Valhalla.
Yes, I'm crazy. Crazy DLC action.
What else? Anything else about State of
Play or Forza? Yeah, space stuff, some new
stuff be great. I think a lot of it'll be GTA,
but that's I. That would be huge man, if they
can actually show that in their own show and start linking like
they don't. Have to show very much.
No, not really. They could even show if they can
just say like this is how you're going to play GTA or you know,
something to that effect and just kind of link the concepts
of GTA plus PS-5 in everybody. 'S is not going to not release
the trailer on their own channel.
So just so everybody knows, if there was a trailer, I wouldn't
be surprised if the trailer. Pops early, they wouldn't like
lose anything really. No, by showing it.
Yeah, I would. I would expect if anything,
they'd release a trailer and then release another one or
maybe do, hey, here's how we're going to make this game look the
best on the system and do a developer insight kind of video
too. I don't think those because I
don't think a state of play is when I want to hear a developer
talk. But that doesn't mean anything.
It's that's just me saying that. It doesn't mean it's the truth.
It's it's insane what a delight Lego Batman is for fans.
But they even put in some other references from pop culture,
like Always Sunny in Philadelphia meme from Frank.
Yeah, they've yeah, they did a really good job at that game,
man. They did a great, they did a
great thing with that one. So let's go through some of
these questions real quick. Telegram, this is TJ Hooker.
TJ Hookner. Garrett called it on bungee last
week and then again this week. Is your contact Jason S No, it
is not just kidding, but keep up the awesome work in the side
cast. My question is this, how often
do people with leaks sit on data and tell no one and how do you
handle that? I would say the majority of
people sit on leaks. I would say the majority of
people might use it for deciding what they're going to cover when
that comes out, maybe playing accordingly.
But I think many people who know stuff don't say anything because
somebody tells them I'm telling you, please don't say anything.
And the amount of stuff that like is is blathered out and
about is pretty goddamn high. In fact, I would say the
majority of stuff that you see leaked is very, very little in
comparison to what is talked about.
Especially because 99% of the time when you guys finally see a
leak, it's been talked about for like a week or there's been
rumors or you'll hear somebody. Somebody will DM you and say so
and so is going to have news next week, you know, or this big
thing is happening next week or, or or whatever and it's and
they'll give you some data and then you sit on it.
I think sitting on its best, you know, it doesn't, you don't
always mean some people that's their entire shtick is a leaker
and that's fine. But I don't really like leaks of
that kind and I don't like them affecting the company.
If you've I've affected 2 people that I know of and that really
burned me like that was. That was like, OK, I'm going to
change it. Like I get it.
Like caused them an issue or made them feel a certain way and
I was like, I'll never again. Like I get it.
I get it. Yeah, Victor says your drive
Atar is a son of a bitch. Carrick.
Oh, in Horizon. Also.
What LLM front end do you use for front ends?
I use Jan or Witsy or LM Studio and now I have my own that I've
made but those are the ones. Any of those are pretty newbie
friendly. Just casually dropping that you
made your own model. Yeah, Campos, about 3 years ago,
Carrot told a story about a high school teacher, something about
how much impact he or she had had.
Sorry I don't remember the rest, but if you do Carrot, can you
tell the story again? I hope it's not an American Pie
situation. Thinking it means Mr. Ford, who
was my programming teacher because Mr. Ford was the one
that I programmed and I cheated by memorizing everything and not
doing variables but making it appear like it.
And he's like, this is the best, worst program I've ever seen.
He's like, if you put as much effort into doing what I had
asked you would have, you would have done really well.
It was probably Mr. Ford. He was really hard ass guy, but
he he was probably one of the best teachers I had and he he
rode me hard because he knew my brother who he.
Rode hard. That does sound wrong.
Does sound wrong, but he. Did we did go American Pie?
He did. In the end, yeah, he rode me
hard. It's what I Yeah, yeah, Carrick
says that funny enough. 40 minutes.
The one teacher I still remember to this day was a programming
teacher as well my first programming teacher.
Why do you? Remember, he taught me C and he
had an incredible way to teach and get people excited about
something that's not that exciting, like programming.
I mean, you can be into it, but it's not like.
Yeah. I know what you mean and he was
just like getting you excited about the ideas and stuff.
Yeah. That's very cool, I had. 2.
One was terrible. He, Mr. Beckham, love you, man,
Love you. By the way, said Mr. He had a
crack, I said. He had passed.
Away and found out just a couple weeks ago he had not.
He was one of those guys that over time I think I read
something that appeared like he did a great teacher, but he
taught like this and he also taught math and it was the worst
experience I've ever had. But he was knowledgeable shit
and he was a good teacher and he let me get away with stuff
'cause I was mouthy as shit. And he, maybe he didn't get the
jokes, but I would always joke and always be mouthy during
class. And he, he didn't kick me out,
He was, which admitted. Is it one of those where you
zone out because he's pretty slow and then when you come back
to it you see like there's a whole board full of shit you
don't understand? Like how did we go from where we
were I. Would go home with a problem and
I would just look at it and go, I don't even know what the first
symbol is. Man.
I like I'm I need to go to basic, basic basic math again or
something like I don't get it. And I did end up switching out
of that class. It was just too much for me.
I was like math to a certain degree was great.
But once you get into like true, definitely functions and
formulas. I was like, I'm my brain.
I don't even know. And what's weird is I'm pretty
mathematical in the sense of if you do this first, like do this
before this in a formula that should have worked for me, but
for whatever reason at that age that wasn't working for me.
It just, it just sucked. Masterpaz says we all know this
is Masterpaz. He says we all know about
Johnny's glorious life sized anatomically correct Tifa
statue. I don't know where this is
going. Do we know?
Do we know about this? OK, but what other epic game
related merchandise do you guys wish you had or have?
I don't know if if there is one. If anything I've kind of come to
regret the ones that I do have. I have a couple of like
statuettes and they're great. Don't get me wrong, I have the
secure one and the Sephiroth from Final Fantasy 7.
They're great, but I just look at them like, yeah, it's really
not like the greatest investment I've made.
And if anything, I would rather have like a Lego set on the
shelf instead, you know, or something to something like
that. I just don't think it's that
cool anymore. Mine.
Are probably Lego anyway. I got the long yeah Lego or
grace from. Horizon 0.
Dawn with the hell? That's such a good one.
Yeah, that's great. This is Max, he says.
I just picked up. Some Assassin's Creed books
honestly had no idea they even existed.
Since you all enjoy reading as much, what other games do you
think deserve a good read? Well I'll tell you what, I've
read every Assassin's Creed one we talked about a lot in the
podcast. I think the Far Cry 5 prequel is
probably one of the best because when you play Far Cry 5, if
you've read the book they they do just they do an insanely good
job merging them together. Watchdogs.
A lot of these are Ubisoft. Watchdogs novels are really
good. Trying to think of any other
Halo. The Halo novels were great.
The first 3 in particular were really good.
OK. They were basically just the
game. Yeah, they were just.
The game, really. I mean, even said stuff that is
said in the game, but it was, it just gave you a little narrative
flavor. They were, Yeah, they were.
That's cool. The Witcher is a good.
One, because you play Witcher 3 for or well any of the other
games and then a lot of the stories are either from the
books or adjacent. So you get a lot more color.
If you read the books as well about the whole thing with the
genie, you know that they had this compulsion between
Geraldton yen and it was this kind of genie packed.
They had a very big part of that was, is our love real or are we
just being kind of pulled towards each other because of
that? And they, they had a a mission
towards the end where they explained that.
But if you kind of already understood that as you play the
game, I felt like it did give everything a, an additional
layer to, to how you perceive it, you know?
Yeah, that'd be a good one. Also, the next question, since
you've got me hooked on the show from, I'd love to hear your
thoughts and theories. I'm going to tell you right now,
I don't think that that's fair. I think we'll hold off on
theory. Stuff because the show's still
going. And it's literally just just had
a new one. Let's be honest, not all leaks
are legitimate leaks. Some are definitely intentional
to grab attention. Yeah, in the history of doing
this, I can tell you that there has never been a single time
where anything appeared to be intentional.
And every time I ask anybody if something's intentional, I'm
always pointed directly to the PR stating Can you imagine how
fucked up everybody would be if we intentionally leaked
something and it didn't work? It would be a disaster.
So of unbelievable unmitigated proportions.
And that's people who've left the industry as well as people
who are still in it. I'm not saying it hasn't
happened, but even talking to some of the biggest leakers that
you guys see, even when we were talking about OD from from
what's his name prior when when I thought it was going to be
Metal Gear because they were doing the remake of Metal Gear
at the same time and I got that. I got that those two my wires
crossed on those. Even those people that I talked
to were like. No, I mean it would be.
It's an entire PR department. You would have to like figure
out a way you either lie to them and then who you going to leak
it to like how are you going to leak it and if you leak it to
somebody, that person is under your employ as APR
representative now, like they are quite by the way, I don't
know if you saw this. Speaking of how this is all
true. Did you see that twitch stream
or that kick streamers can buy retweets and re clips?
Did you see this whole hubbaloo by Sasha Grey?
So Sasha Grey talked about. It she's the 1st.
One I saw, but she was following this other PR guy and he's like
Kik has this system that when you stream on Kik you can
literally just pay and people who have a bunch of accounts
will re clip your stuff. And he was doing some of the
numbers in the hundreds of thousands of dollars some Kik
streamers are paying and they're getting millions of views.
And people were like, well, that's just sort of PR.
And all of a sudden one of the people who is looking at it was
like, that's if that's PR, then every single one of those
Reclipse has to say, this is sponsored because of the United
States. And now there's this massive
like backlash where people are like, did did like 100,000
people break the law of federal law here?
Because it is, that is what it would be.
And that would be the same thing for if you were trying to
spread. Yeah.
Thank you.
It was Devin. Well, Devin was one of the ones
who said it. I was told by somebody else that
it was going on, but I didn't think it was as a big Devin Nash
is the guy who blew it out of the water and the numbers he was
showing. And then he went back and
tracked a couple Twitch, Twitch slash kick streamers who were
admitting on camera. And it was.
It was. Unbelievable.
Amounts of money, but it also has a return because.
You you get. Subscribers and then one person
might be a patron fuse, that kind of stuff.
So I experienced somebody trying to do kick advertisements in the
kind of funny discord. Let's see.
Ralph Inator, what is some of your guys's favorite games with
very good side quests that don't feel like a chore?
First thing that comes to mind is GTA4 for me.
Absolutely hands down Witcher 3. Best side quests in a game.
I said this when I did the walk in the walk, Absolutely best
side quests. It's the meat of the game is the
side quests. It's like, yeah, it's so funny,
right? That's what we remember.
Yep, Yep, I think. That I think that's the way it
should work. When you have a protagonist
written from novels, there's some control that some things
you don't want to do where you make it so that that person you
can be them but not impact the entire world with your main
quest even though he is. But you have the side quest
where you impact the world in smaller ways that don't rub up
against the IP poorly or whatever.
I think Witcher 3 nailed it by far.
Odyssey, Assassin's Creed Odyssey, some of the most
hilarious side quests known to man are in Odyssey in
particular. So very fun and with some.
Historical characters like Socrates, you know, you're
hanging out with Socrates and it's great.
Yeah, it's so. Great.
What about King? Sorry, go on.
No, no, I was going to. Ask you something else, go for
it. If Kingdom come to is up there
with side quests, would you put it up there at the at a similar
level? 'Cause I didn't get to play it,
so I'm. Curious like how you remember
it? That's a good.
That is a good question.
I don't, I think some of them are really good.
But because it's not a fanciful game, it's not a fantasy game,
it's still rooted in real life and what?
Yeah, sometimes you're just like.
Sometimes it didn't grab me as. Well, as if it's like the Bloody
Baron or something like that It so or Socrates or seeing
somebody get eat by a shark and Odyssey or something, you know,
these side things or Syndicate where you see you know, and
weirdly enough, a lot of these are AC games, but they do a good
job. They have a lot of side quests
too. So, I mean, they do by sheer
number, they're going to be higher.
Yeah. Yeah.
I don't know. That's a good question, man.
I mean, there were some that were great banging that chick
and then and then going back to basically apologize or sort of
say, you know, I I you know, do you want to hang out?
And she's like, you weren't as good as all the other guys and
you thought she was chased and stuff was like, that was that
was funny. That was great.
That was handled so well. Yeah.
Yakuza is up there. Yakuza's got some.
Yakuza's got some great ones. Let's see.
What's your favorite? Energy drinks.
This is from Super Chat. Thank you very much $5 machine
XP. What's your favorite go to drink
that energizes you? Tea, right?
You just drink tea. Coffee if.
It's allowed. Yeah, for sure.
Coffee. I drink.
I I've drank at least one coffee for the past.
It's years. I don't, literally.
I don't remember a day in the last over five years really, so
I always. Have a coffee.
It's. Part of my morning routine.
I love it. I try not to have more than two.
2 is my cap. Some days I just have one but
but I I do always have a coffee. I think the only problem.
With coffee and. Energy drinks is their half life
is so long, like a lot of drugs out there that you can get
legally, like even nicotine or whatever.
Their half life is so much shorter.
Caffeine's half life is fucking forever, man.
So you have many hours. It's many.
Hours and it. By the way, that's the half life
like that doesn't mean it's even out of your system.
So if you're take if you're drinking something at 1:00 PM,
that will affect. Or can affect.
Your sleep at 8 like that's pretty crazy when you think
about it like that is a long that's worse than ephedra.
That's worse than like half of the drugs people talk about, you
know, like an energy drug that like a weight lifter would take.
It's like, dude, caffeine is just it sticks, man.
It's a sticky drug. It sticks.
It sticks for a. Long time.
Yeah. And you become accustomed to it
pretty. Quick.
I feel like with caffeine, the receptors get dumb pretty quick.
Yeah. Becomes their baseline, yeah.
I don't really get a kick from it anymore.
You don't I get a kick from. It maybe not.
Even not from that one. Coffee, you know, yeah, not I
would say even from like a a pop.
I mean, any kind of soda is really low, but like even a
monster, which really isn't as high as people worry about.
It's not like a four hour energy.
Well, actually I think they're the same. 4 hour energy is only
that big, but yeah, yeah, they're not.
You know, you're funny enough. I do like the.
Flavour of Red Bull a lot. I just don't like it as AII.
Just probably don't think it's. Healthy.
So I don't drink it very much, but I do like the flavour of it
and there's something about the presentation in the thin can
that I absolutely love. And I know that Rory talks about
this, you know it. It is a a perception.
Yeah, well, I like Mountain Dew and a lot of people don't like.
That I like squirt. A lot of people don't like that.
Wait, is it called squirt? Yeah, terrible name.
Super. Super popular.
Drink super. Popular drink, but weirdly
enough super terrible name, you know.
Wow, Mountain Dew is pretty terrible.
Too Like, what does that even mean?
Do do sound? I don't know, old man piss.
Let's see, Spock says. Not a question, just wanted to
drop a note. I've been missing the live
podcast lately because of the extreme time zone difference.
You start at 4:30 AM Sydney time, but I always catch up in
the following week. Happy to be a part of the
Discord. Yeah.
Thank you very much. Yeah, appreciate it.
Always, always have really good comments.
Our Discord's been banging it lately too.
We've been having man, it's the amount of people streaming in
the Discord has been insane. It's it's taken a while, but now
it's been like just, it's been really fun.
You go and you never know what people are going to be
streaming. What's been the most?
Played like, what's everybody playing?
The most common thing? You would think that, right?
I think Dragon's Dogma 2 was probably the last time the
majority of people we're doing one game now.
It is like 6. Yeah, yeah, that was huge back
there. Four are doing.
Shooters 3 or. It it has been, there's so many
games now. Like this, this time frame is
very tricky. Well, not only happen Lego.
Batsman 4. Bunch of.
Us are doing fucking what do you call?
It Division 2, so it's not even a new game, you know, it's just
Oh yeah, yeah, there's no times. It'll be quiet as shit man you
I. Went in there one time, there
was about 16 of us and I went in and there was about 8 streams
and eight people watching. Many people just muted and you'd
ask a question, you'd hear the unmute button and I'd be like,
dude, what are you doing? I'm at work, you know, I just
watch. I come in here to hear you guys
talk, blah, blah, blah. And then other days you're all
yelling over the top of each other because everybody's
excited about some movie or some random comic book discussion.
It's, it's been, it's fucking awesome.
It gets better every single month.
I swear to God, that's not me. Don't join the Discord.
Don't, because we want to keep it to.
Ourselves, it's not. Me pimping the discord, it's
that. It actually is that.
It is a. It is.
Insanely cool because real life people are so hard to get
together. And so it is great to be like,
hey, everybody, let's jump in. And you have like, yeah.
And I've heard people be like, oh, is sometimes is it too?
Is it too busy? And I'm like, you would think
that could be a thing. But instead it's just a bunch of
people having a fucking good time.
Dude. We've had one argument in the
past and I was there and it was a drunk person who just happened
to have a weird vibe. With.
Everybody and it was hilarious and it it became a joke and
nobody was arguing. I should say that it was just,
you could hear the befuddlement, I'll say that in the chat where
there was some befuddled people going like, what is this person
talking about? Like, what are they?
What are they doing and what are they on the bug?
And yeah. It was awesome.
It's 5I appreciate our levels, the five.
Dollar level. For ours yeah 5 bucks and.
You get it with the YouTube membership too.
Oh yeah, you get it with YouTube.
Another option. I always forget that.
I was going to say I appreciate. It as well like.
Fucking awesome. Sorry, continue.
Yeah, no, it it is an easy way. Because sometimes people don't
want to go to a different platform, right?
Or they don't like Patreon. So it's pretty low effort.
Yeah, on YouTube. I was just going to say I
appreciate sometimes as well where it's people are just
playing their games and they are just kind of hanging out.
They're not necessarily talking, but we're all in there.
We're, you know, we're sharing screen, we're looking at each
other's games. And when something comes up,
we'll we'll comment on it. And sometimes people are just
chilling. It's nice too.
You don't feel the need, like you always need to carry a
conversation, you know? Yeah.
As someone not, this is Oregon fresh.
Is someone not in there anymore? Because I'm just busy.
The discord is freaking awesome. All the peeps are good peeps.
Mucho fun. Yeah, we do notice you're not
there, but I you've definitely talked about being busy.
It's always fun having you in there.
Yeah, we got a guy who knows everything about war, not War
Thunder. And I love this guy.
I I want to I want to make sure it's well known in, in Eddie
Ovault is his name. Love him.
I got to admit, though, when he first talked, he sounded like
maybe a South California surfer. He's got that kind of like got a
lot of vocal fry, very like just very laid back and then.
I asked him about. What he was playing and it was
War Thunder and that dude. It it was the most shocking 2.
Hours of my life. Not only no, he knew everything
about every weapon the US military had.
He also then admitted he's doing his like doctorate in.
AI and AI. Machine learning for robotics.
And he started talking about stuff and I was just sitting
there going like. Dude, imagine if you.
Heard a cockney accent start talking about science, right?
You'd be like, it doesn't match up right?
You know sometimes accents don't match what the person saying
just 'cause you haven't heard it very often.
That's, I mean, everybody sat. There for a full.
Fucking like 2 hours listen to this guy just going like whoa
that's not what I. Expected man it.
Was so great, man, it was so it it's like Johnny Utah from point
break trying to explain to you, you know, in depth mathematics
and robots and we were just like, what the fuck is even
happening right now? This is so many levels of not
expected, you know, not expected.
Moving on from there, though, welcome to the supporter
discord, access machine XP, by the way, there's there's a entry
steps you have to take, but you just basically merge your
account and then you can jump in.
Let's move on from there, Scotty.
'S on fire on Twitter, says Can. You guys talk a little bit about
boomer shooters. Don't forget to talk about any
hidden gems you know of. No, patrons not.
Preferred anything? Works YouTube's probably easiest
for people to be honest. What do we got for boomer
shooters now? Boomer shooter can mean booming
big explosions, fast running around Duke Nukem.
It can mean boomer like they were popular when boomers were
popular. Which that would be a very
select series of games. Depends on which slang we're
using now, but you know your dooms.
I. Think Doom dark ages is
fantastic. I think Doom Dark Ages is one of
my favorites in the last couple years.
When you are able. That was a huge, huge surprise
for me. It was very good.
I'm trying to think if boomer shooter needs to be like old
graphics, you know, the games that are like catering to the
old. No, it can be doomed.
You know, like. Original Doom.
Painkiller you. Know, yeah, OK, yeah.
So it's it's bigger. And real bigger than yeah,
Quake, OK. There's a lot of, I mean.
Recently the. The Mickey Mouse game.
It's not Mickey. Mouse.
But yeah, PIPI mouse. That looked good.
And I think that that is considered a boomer shooter, you
know, it fits really neatly into that.
It looked great, played great. Cool idea.
Maybe not something I would play right now, but I do like what
they did with that, Yeah. That's cool for sure.
Yeah, a lot. Of a lot of good ones.
I would say a lot of them are in the Pi mouse investigator level.
They're not. You know Doom is your big one,
right? Doom's like the the big one that
people talk about, but there's like 7080 that come out every
other month from smaller groups. There's even the Warhammer one
with the female space marine lead.
I think they're getting a sequel that's definitely a boomer
shooter. So I like the music ones as.
Well, the ones where you have to shoot to the music like a.
Metal health singer. Was a really good one they had
like some big bands working with them for that.
Yes, some some of those are pretty good too.
OK, that's good if. You can you know, if you find a.
Good rhythm. Question with Bungie, basically.
Putting Destiny two in a maintenance mode now, do you
guys think this is the beginning of the end for the forever game
era or? Are players just finally?
Exhausted from treating hobbies like second jobs.
I don't think it's the end, but I think that everybody's seen
that the competition there's there's too much competition and
too small of a space because those games aren't purchase and
leave on your shelf their purchase and be forced to play
because it may die. There is a huge difference in a
live service game and it's purchase and it's play and the
desire. To play it while.
It's either popular or not shut down or or still in the same
format and shape. It feels different when you buy
one than it does when you buy Halo.
It just does if the and I think that genre is big, but I think
when you look at the millions of people playing games, if you
have two shooters that are live service, that is an actual issue
because they both require usually expertise and length and
you'd call it grind. I don't necessarily think
they're all grindy, but you know, you just run out of time,
right? It doesn't sit in your steam
library. It because it could go away, at
least right now until, you know, we figure out what devs are
doing for live service games. Yeah.
So there's kind of a a. Big line where a game becomes a
forever online like Warframe, Wow, all the, you know, all
these games that are now here to stay.
And we know that, but there's a line somewhere.
It's not clear. Maybe, you know, is it a year?
If the game is still doing well after a year, maybe you start
thinking, yeah, this is here to stay.
Johnny, I think a lot of they're very.
Used also. In in the fact.
Of most games require sequels if they continue to do well in the
original and live service, Yeah, that's tough too.
Or opposite. That so.
Imagine how weird it is to be. Let's say you're doing division.
You're doing. Division and.
Then suddenly you're like, oh, our engine, we can do some stuff
in division. Do we do Division two or do we
stay in Division One? They did Division two, but look
at how long Division twos lasted and even they've stated, well,
every time we think about, you know, fully going into Division
Three, we're sort of stuck in division.
We're still stuck in Division two.
And the idea of how do you move forward?
How do you move into something like it's not the same as if you
have a really good single player game or even a good multiplayer,
but it's got a single player component.
You think of a sequel, Titanfall one, let's do Titanfall 2.
But if Titanfall one had been online service game, that
company would have had to decide, do we kill it?
And by the way, look no further than GTA5 to see what I'm
talking about, because GTA5 is going to have a huge hassle on
their hands trying to figure out yeah, they are on the same on
the same. Rut they are, they have a.
Very, very few games have done. This successfully by the way,
like Overwatch 2 did manage to pull it off where Overwatch 2
pretty much is. You know, everybody from
Overwatch jumped over and that worked.
And didn't they force them hard though?
Didn't Overwatch have all the weird stuff where they forced
them? So did they.
Jump or were they pushed right? I mean, they were pushed, but
they. Jumped.
It worked in the end. Yeah.
Like when you push me somebody. Somebody leaps off.
Into the water. After they were pushed or like
if? In hindsight, they are happy for
having been pushed, kind of. When they think back, I think I
am. On some games, I am.
Sometimes when you just cut it clean, you cut the cord and you
move on. It can be, it can feel good.
It's like cleaning your house, you know?
Question if? GTA6 really hits in November.
What's the one tiny everyday detail you hope Rockstar nails
that would make the world feel next level alive?
That's a good. Question.
So what's? It is 5 did a lot what though
what in six would be something that like oh.
I know more. Animals like people walking dogs
in the street or like maybe you can have.
Different pets. Pets, I think that that is.
Something you see in every city and we don't see, and it, you
know, it can feel weird. Children.
More children in the game. Now, admittedly this Yeah,
children are tough to do in those.
Games. You know what's funny is that we
are. So warped as a society, as a
world that we're like, oh, it's OK to shoot the guy who's 21,
but I'm not. I don't want to shoot the person
who's not the kid younger and you're.
Like I get. It I do get it, I understand,
But it's like at the same time with games, it is weird that,
you know, you can drive over a bunch of people in your Corvette
and nobody bats an eye. But if that was some other
place, you're like, Oh my God, this is now unacceptable.
It's yeah, we have weird. Lines even like stuff where very
explicit violence is OK in the show or in the game, but
sexuality isn't especially like in kind of like Western context.
Yeah, maybe not European, but if you have like a nipple, you know
he that's unacceptable, right? Has to be covered though it does
seem like both. European and American and other
nations have sort of gone away out of that in the last like 10
years. I think Spartacus started a
great deal of it, even though that was, I think so, HBO.
HPONYPD. Blue showed a butt crack of a
guy and people were beside themselves and now you got oh
wow and euphoria. Showing like.
Oh, euphoria, Yeah, you know. Even though there's a pay.
They're still, they're still available in that box or on your
PC, you know, with the with the streaming service, it's easier
to get to than say, Skinny Max used to be or something like
that. So, yeah, yeah, lots of
different things when it comes to that.
But let's see, moving on from there, we got more questions.
I'm going to get through these fast.
Are License games becoming exciting again now that studios
seem more interested in making real games instead of quick tie
insurance? This is based on Lego.
And they put another game in there and I damn it.
Oh, bond, bond. So are license.
Games becoming. Exciting again.
I'm pretty sure they were always exciting.
They just. Weren't always good.
Yeah, I think that was the problem.
That traditionally games from a. Movie or something were just.
Bad. And then we had that
association, and that's kind of been breaking over the years.
You know, it's been better and better, yeah.
Next up, how many failed multiplayer?
Projects does Sony need before they realize people bought
PlayStation for big single player games and not another
hero shooter that dies Six months.
That's pretty negative. I mean.
They're realizing. It now we'll just.
Leave it at that. I think so.
Do you think that is a change they will make?
They will be willing to just cut the multiplayer pipeline and
focus back. On single.
Player I think Concorde and. Arcane's the the red fall.
I think both those showed that these companies are OK with snip
in the cord and just saying it didn't it didn't work.
It didn't work. Yeah.
And I mean. Some multiplayer stuff worked.
Sorry Go. Many things do, but when
something. Doesn't work and you lose 200
million and you just say it didn't work.
That's a that is a massive signal to everybody and all the
other developers going, OK, maybe that's not what we should
be doing now. I think a lot of developers want
to make smaller stuff too, or stuff that comes out quicker,
more quickly. Josh Sawyer for Obsidian did
Pentiment. I think those kind of games
where you may get a company that's like, hey, we have this
big company, but do we, What if we have 5 games that cost the
cost of one game, but one of those games does well, really
well. That could actually easily
offset all of the other games. Look at some of the sales on
some of these games. We're talking 3,000,004 million,
5 million for a $40 game that only pays for that game by a
great amount. It pays for development in the
future. Even though Peter doesn't
always, you know, Rob Paul to pay Susan kind of thing, you can
still you can still say, hey, maybe we should be an incubator
versus. And by the way, eraser didn't
have a terrible idea. They did it terribly and they
had the biggest failure in all of gaming with the Saudi group
not investing in them, but their idea, which is that like
Darksiders Genesis, we're going to make smaller games that are
pretty good and it. Worked for a couple of their.
Games, it's just they were, it was an investor who owned it and
that was your problem. You don't want investors running
your company because an investor has to sell to make money.
So they grow it as big as possible to sell it to make
money. You sort.
Of want a Sony? A Nintendo, yes, even a
Microsoft. Who wants to stay there dude if
they want the long term. Returns.
Can we agree on one thing? Despite people hating all these
companies, can we agree on one thing?
If there was any company in the world who shows that they do
want to be somewhere, it is Microsoft.
Because they could have left a long time ago.
There's multiple times they've had failures and they're still
there. So they see that there's a
future there and you got it. Regardless of anything else they
could have pulled out, they could have.
Pulled out a long time ago, yeah.
Yeah, of gaming. I like how you added that, Yeah.
Another question. Has anybody stopped buying giant
open world games Because just seeing 120 hour map checklist
now feels mentally exhausting. No, I mean.
No. I think it can.
Feel that way, right, but, but, but it's it's more granular than
that. It's not that it feels that way
because of that design. It's because the game maybe
wasn't good or didn't speak to you.
I think that's strictly it. And it's the same when we talked
about hub worlds. It's like, is it a good game?
Does that format enhance the game?
You know, like, does it work to elevate the game?
And then the times where it does, we feel like, yeah, that's
that feels good. That feels right.
And we've had, you know, really good, super big open world games
both recently and and prior times.
Oregon said something. I think Crimson Desert shows
Nope, we're not tired. Yeah.
It it, it, it. That's a good.
That's a good example. Crimson Desert.
I would say the majority of people I know probably 99.9%
haven't beat it, haven't even come close and still got 46
meetings. They.
They could have beat it in that amount of.
Time and they chose not to because they were just having a
good time playing a game. I mean, I know this is anti what
everybody believes, but I think the gamification and the
achievements have ruined a great deal of the way people think of
games. It's, it is, it is, it is
absolutely unnatural. Imagine playing, most people
don't play Monopoly to own every single land.
They play Monopoly to own a certain amount and invest in
those amounts. But if you start playing it with
the idea that I need to own every single thing, that's a
different style of game and it becomes a little monotonous.
And I think when you jump into an open world game, if you see a
bunch of icons, and I hate those, I see the map mess, but
it doesn't mean I have to do them it at all.
And in fact, why would I? How how many times is there a
restaurant out there, Johnny, that you know of be honest?
Is there a restaurant out there that every single food in the
restaurant, every single dish is 1 You like?
No, No. Yeah.
No, definitely not. I don't.
Need to check. The box of like that I've had.
Their whole sauce. I don't.
Know, yeah. I don't need to check that box
dude. Yeah, yeah.
It's like I told you a couple weeks ago.
Nobody. Has two favorite Chinese food
restaurants. Man.
Like you don't need that kind of stuff if you remove some people.
Have some people have that drive, like maybe it's a
compulsion or like I, I need to complete stuff that's more of a
personal thing and maybe that comes with its own reward.
When you do it, you know. You get a kick out of it.
That's also a positive in a way that maybe you and I don't get.
So it's kind of balanced in that way.
But yeah, I would say, and even just the idea of having to
finish a game to warrant the purchase, I don't believe in
that because I really think if you spent your time there, you
had a great time. Even if you didn't finish it for
whatever reason, that doesn't detract from the experience you
had and that that's just another arbitrary check mark, you know,
did you finish it or not? That doesn't really, I mean, it
can be great. Other times it's it's really not
that memorable. So I I don't think Harry
finishing a game right. Exactly, it was.
I don't even know it was. All about the journey, Yeah.
I mean dude. There's something.
It's a little. Like Steam libraries?
There's something, and there's a little bit like snipping the
cord going from 1:00 to 2:00 that we talked about.
There's something and that feels great about going into my Steam
library and just hiding games forever.
I don't need that game. I'm never going to play it.
I don't want to even feel the desire to play it 'cause I'm not
going to, you know, like I played a little bit and didn't
like it. Whatever, turn it off.
I think the greatest thing with all of this is the ability and I
hope that as we change and we start to see them talking,
they're all companies seem to be gamifying even more now and
we're not talking about just the games.
This is even worse. If it's in the game, it's one
thing I don't I do not mind in the game stuff.
I don't even mind Ubisoft in a way because they give you stuff
to get with other games. But an arbitrary crystal that
pops up to tell me I got a rare achievement is infuriating.
And I thought on ATV device recently where the TV was like
you watched 120 hours of Ice Rd. truckers and dude I'm like turn
that shit off. You don't need to be reminded
all the time of that stuff. And a game is a game by itself
without the gamification of you swung your sword 100 times, you
turned on Barbie and got 100 points for having the main menu
play. Like, that's ridiculous.
By the way, there's a bunch of games that if you play the
credits, it'll give you even though the credits are in the
main menu now, not at the end of the game.
If you hit the main, if you hit the credits, it'll give you an
achievement for watching the credits.
It's like, yeah. Let's.
See, Does gaming feel more miserable online lately?
Lately because the industry is genuinely in trouble or because
outrage farming has completely taken over gaming discussion.
So I don't think it means gaming because that would be gaming,
but gaming discussion feel more miserable.
Yeah. Yeah, gaming discussion, yeah,
yeah, I would say. I would say also because a lot.
Of people will say, you'll hear somebody say this person says
something dumb, but I let him get away with it because I just
don't want to fight them. And if everybody is choosing not
to fight because stupid people say stuff, the only people
saying stuff will be stupid people.
And that's all you'll be reading, which will make you
feel like the world is even more stupid.
By the you know you can't. Retreat on some stuff.
Some stuff you need to put your foot down and be like, no.
That's that's. Incorrect.
But I think it's hard. There's a, you know.
How many people are on? How many people are on Facebook?
How many people are on Twitter? And the majority or a large
amount are going to only react to the bad stuff, you know?
Yeah, I I think that's the problem.
Is that the bias is towards the negativity a lot of the time
because that rewards the. The the people putting it.
Out right because it generates engagement.
That it's a tough incentive. Model.
It's one of the reasons why. When people can tell when I'm
mad or whatever, because I will free and they'll I'll get people
mad at you and I they'll be like, Oh yeah, they didn't bitch
about blah, blah, blah. And I'm like, because there was
no, that is not something that there was to bitch about.
I'm not going to arbitrarily bitch, but when I do bitch about
something, you'll know and you'll hear it.
I'm not going to rage farm. I don't have time to do a video
and be we need to talk. No, we fucking don't need to
talk. We don't need to talk.
It's idiotic. How many launchers does the
average PC Gamer realistically tolerate before they just stop
caring about exclusives entirely and wait for Steam releases?
Zero. If you can't click a shortcut on
the PC that you bought because your PC does every fucking thing
in the world and you tell everybody it's a multitasking
machine that can do anything in the world and yet you the human
are not capable of clicking another shortcut, you're the
problem. Sorry, we're done with that.
I'm done with that. If you can't click a shortcut,
we're fucking. Done.
That's idiotic. And if you believe that.
Valve. Is great, go look at how much
money they take from developers and they still can't figure the
shit out. They just added some tags and
people were celebrating like this is the end of the world.
It's I hate cults. Man I hate.
Them cult of Apple, cult of Valve, those two cults, I want
torn down. I want torn fucking down.
And I don't even want them torn down and destroyed.
I just want people to look at it and go, yeah, you know what?
They're they're dude. Anyway, I mean I.
Get the convenience. I'm the first person who, if a
game is like on Steam or Xbox Store, I'll probably get it on
Steam. You know that I prefer that.
But the idea of one additional launcher, I think people blow it
out of proportion because, yeah, because what is it?
Is it 3 launchers you have like now you?
Have like maybe? You got 1/4.
Come on guys, it's OK. You can have four shortcuts,
right? And, and very often you don't
have the launcher shortcut. You just have the game shortcut
and then that boots up the launcher.
You know, I just think it's a, it's a bit of a nothing burger.
It's a bit of a dead argument. And it's part and parcel of
today. And honestly we wouldn't have it
any other way because that allows for competition between
these different platforms and even Steam being as big as they
are, they are forced to to do some like consumer friendly
stuff to keep up with these other outlets.
Yeah, yeah, Lucas on says we guys actually discuss games
tonight. I mean, we've literally
discussed games for the last like 3 hours.
In fact, we've been answering questions about games for the
last three hours, so God damn I can discuss.
Headphones. Cause apparently.
Apparently your headphones. Don't work.
Buy some $5 headphones. Turn them on.
You'll be able to hear us talk about games.
Yeah, that's. Stupid.
It's like you're. Talking about games, I don't.
Mind the cult of ACG. We don't really have a cult.
What I've noticed about us is people are pretty.
People are well, we we. Probably did.
But I've tried to purposely destroy them, so I don't really
like it. I think a cult is the one of the
worst things about a cult is that if you have a bunch of yes
men, you might make the biggest mistake of your life.
You might make the biggest. Mistake of your life if that's
one of the things I I. Respect about you because I, I
know if I'm off my rocker, you will call me out on it.
You'll be like, listen, Johnny, listen, buddy, like, no, you're
full. Of shit on that one you.
You got to have you I. Mean Absie does it to me.
Sometimes I'll be saying something.
It's like, dude, what? You know, Like you have to have
it. Man you.
Have to because if you if you don't, you will make a mistake
and and what's funny is think about it this way.
Wouldn't it make sense scientifically that the worst?
Mistake. You're going to.
Make when you don't have a yes man or a a no man, when you
don't have a Steve, the worst mistake you'll make is going to
be that time when you most need it.
Obviously, you know, that's just the way this all works.
If you look at it like sort of a mathematical calculation,
that'll be the time you need somebody there who says, dude,
don't date that girl and and. Maybe they're wrong.
But it gives you a moment of thought, man, where you can sort
of look and go, well, why is this person saying this?
And you don't have to always take their opinion or whatever,
but it's like in Twitter, you'll see somebody be like, oh man, I
had a hard day today because I told my boss to fuck off.
And people be like, man, you go, girl, you're brave.
And be like, dude, why did you tell your boss to fuck off?
Like, are you fucking? Are you incapable of walking
outside and being an adult and maybe not blathering to your
boss and just openly like you should have a friend who's like,
no, you probably shouldn't do that, dude, You should probably
give me a second. I'll be right back.
Yeah, no worries, he said. He had to.
Go for a second because of his back to be right back.
We like to break things around these parts.
That is true. I use Steam and.
Xbox regularly. On PC but use whatever.
Do you know where I go for sales?
I go or or for where I purchased my game sales.
If the game is cheaper somewhere I'll probably go there.
Seller Red Beanie saying Carrick was right about everything it
would have to say on the back, not because I've definitely been
wrong about stuff. Guardians of the Galaxy I was
wrong about, man. We saw Guardians of the Galaxy
and I was in our disc. I was on here and I was like,
dude, I'm sorry, that game. Now admittedly, I think we can
all agree those first trailers, the videos of combat, it just
looked rough. And it wasn't rough, it turned
out. To be awesome.
It turned out to be. Turned out to be a enjoyable ass
game with good, you know, not great combat, but good combat.
It's just one of those things got more questions here to talk
about games because somebody said we weren't talking about
games. So here we go with more game
questions. There's a question that says I
feel like the industry only wants gigantic AAA blockbusters
on tiny Indies now or tiny Indies now.
So where did all the solid 15 hour AA games go that used to
fill the gaps? Let me give you an example of a
solid 15 hour AA game. Outcast remake was pretty solid.
Banishers is incredible. Banishers is one of the most
enjoyable game I've played. Plague tail, Plague tail 2,
Plague tail 3 is coming. All of those solid AA games.
The solid AA games are here you got coming out.
Gothic remake is coming out. Solid AA game.
Little longer. It's more like your 30-40 hours
solid. A games are here, indie games
are here, AAA games are here. You just have to look more
widely, cast your net, and if you're going online to look at
trailers, a AA is not going to have as many views.
You have to go out and actively search for them.
You will not see them on YouTube as easily as you're going to see
GTA news. So.
They were just asking. If if.
They I think you're muted, yeah. Which which?
Oh, that's your Stream deck. I told you my Roland died.
Right. The quad?
Yeah. Or not the quad the.
Other one the. New one?
Yeah, the smaller 1 smoke and everything.
Yeah, sucked. I'm so excited for the Gothic
remake. Yeah, it seems like people are
really stoked about that one. Seems like it's doing well.
I'm excited to see what AA games are coming this year, actually.
I think AA, AAA, Indy, I think they're all in a good space when
it comes to are offerings. Maybe.
Not their ability to become popular.
I think that's a little scary, but I think.
Let me take care of this. Sorry I got some.
Neighbors making a mess? Yeah, no worries.
Go for it. I think that that can be sort of
an issue, but I overall I think AA's are.
Here guys. I think AA's are here.
Let's see Tainted Grail, The Fall of Avalon got some new DLC.
Also. I don't know if anybody saw
this. South of Midnight was honored at
the Canadian Game Awards with seven awards for soundtrack.
Not just at soundtrack. I apologize. 7 awards total.
So that did really well. Super happy.
Alexa, Turn Off had a. Little bit of background music
going on there. Happy to see that game doing
well. I enjoyed that one and was it
wasn't. The greatest game in the world.
But it there you go AA game, right?
I guess if. You consider that double.
A yeah, that's AA. Yeah, that was a AA game plague.
To see more triple. A, In my opinion, yeah, it
wasn't. It was AA, but I mean, you could
call it AAA if you wanted. Yeah.
I mean, it's very difficult to even identify right now.
When you talk to developers about game development and you
ask them where their game fits, many don't know even how to
answer because of the cost of gaming going up.
So in the old days, there were two ways to really identify it.
AA would AA was basically an amount of money and what
publisher you used. If you weren't using EA, you
weren't using Activision, Microsoft, Sony, you could be
considered generally AA. And then there was the money and
it was like 8060 to 80 million. The problem is in such a short
time, games saw two huge deals. Right before COVID, the price
had sort of solidified for AA in in fact, most of the developers
I talked to were saying that they sort of knew exactly where
the price was for particular things.
And then with COVID, what happened was there was an influx
of people who were able to do work and it dropped a little bit
and there were people working from home.
There was all these changes and then there was a huge amount of
of basically hiring from some of the bigger companies.
And what happened was when people came back, one of the
developers I talked to, I was like, well, how are your
finances now versus pre COVID? And during COVID, one of the
most surprising answers I got was that the people who were
coming to work for them were costing a good deal more because
they were either sort of solidified in what they were
doing at that time and they were doing multiple things for
multiple companies getting more. They were freelancers, or they
had gone to work for a big company for maybe at that time,
a little bit more safety and security.
I'm not saying that's the same way now.
And so some of these indie groups, their prices were going
up for the, the sort of the block of cash it cost them.
And now we're seeing it skyrocketing and we're seeing,
you know, we're seeing game development cost a lot more
because the expectations are more too.
I mean, I think indie, whatever you want to call indie is
pretty, is a little safer right now because people don't expect
voice in your game. Maybe.
I think people are expecting it much more now, but they may give
you a little bit more leeway. But I feel like indie games
because of their excellence in the past six years.
We're starting to compare every indie.
Game to every other indie game when you talk to indie devs I'm
trying to think of, I'm sorry, I'm sort of spacing on who I've
talked to recently cause I've talked to a bunch of them.
But if you talk to an indie dev many times the expectations are
starting to feel unrealistic on the indie devs too.
So it used to be that every AAA game would need a movie star or
you know, Cyberpunk comes out. Every games going to have to do
this. And what does cyberpunk do I
need to match that? What does GTA do in my open
world game? We don't want to make an open
world game because there's so many expectations.
And now we're getting these indie games, the eternal life of
Goldman or something where you see this game and you look at it
and you're like, this is beautiful.
Then another game comes out and they don't have the art shops to
do it and people are like, well, it's not as good as that one.
And I and there's so much competition now.
It's easier to pick and choose your games and it's harder on
the it's. It's hard man.
I don't even know. If I would want to make a game
right now, I don't even know. What I would make?
You know it would be difficult. All right, do.
You have neighbors screaming I've.
I fixed it. They just.
Needed a little a little help a little help pushing them down
the steps like shut. The fuck up, I'm trying to do a
podcast, the ECG podcast. Shut the fuck up, just push them
down. What do you think of that
though? The question was was basically
does it feel like it's either indie or AAA and are the AA's
gone like? How do you feel?
About that, no, I think the the line between.
Those is blurring as well, like we talked about in in couple
other podcasts where you could have a small dev team backed by
a very large, either production or Kuwait team, PR team.
You know, we've seen for example, Risk of Rain 2, they
had a a team of three devs, but they had hundreds of people from
Gearbox working on QA, publishing all this stuff.
Yeah. What about?
Subnautica too, yeah, yeah, that's another good example.
Small dev team, big overall team and a big pub I.
Know the publishing thing was a disaster, obviously we know
that. Yeah.
I've always wondered like what they consider themselves.
I'm assuming double AI mean yeah, yeah.
They I think. They are double AI.
Have a question for you? Let's say I'm 1010 people and we
do a Kickstarter and we get 20 million.
We get 50 people and we do 20 million.
What are they? Right?
What are you now and are you? Yeah.
Does it depend on the money? Does it or?
Yeah, or the team size. And does.
And what if one game is a text adventure and you get 5 million,
which is an insane amount for text adventure.
Obviously this is hyperbole. But then the other game is an
open world game and it gets 10 million and you know that the 10
million is not going to stretch as far on the open world games
as it will. You see what I'm saying?
Like that's why I think the Indy AA AAA just doesn't work.
And it it hasn't worked. It's just been easier to explain
it that way. I think the signal virtuous,
like the sort of virtue signalling that we get.
Is no longer. Useful.
Yeah, because labels are. Only.
Useful when they represent something identifiable to
tangible to to everybody. Like you see the label that
means the same thing to you as it does to me and so on.
But when the label means something different to you than
it does to me, that's a not helpful label.
Yeah, like. Dude, think about it this way.
Imagine you go into a store and it says no fat and you buy.
It and there's 20. Grams of fat and you're like,
what? And they're like, well, compared
to our competitors, which are eclairs, which are 200 grams of
fat, we are pretty much no fat. And you're like, well, pretty
much no fat no longer is. You know what's low fat?
Low fat. To me it is really difficult.
To even understand. Like whenever I talk to somebody
who's on a diet and they're like, I'm going to try to lower
my fat content a little bit, get the low fat this, low fat that,
and you're like, that's good. Anybody who does that stuff
firmly support them. But I'm like, don't just read
the words because if it's low fat ice cream, it can still be
high fat dessert if you think in dessert forms, right?
So yeah, man, it's and Oh yeah, Craig says something.
I guess game engines change the landscape of AA versus AAA.
They did dude engines. There's a game biz dot dev 10
programs that are changing the way game development is done
that popped about last week. That is crazy.
They were showing engines. They were showing audio, audio
systems for putting music into your game and stuff that has
changed the like change the market and are going to in the
next couple years, making it so that things rub up against each
other a little bit, you know, and look at mine's eye.
Mine's eye was technically cost wise, a AAA game did.
Does anybody think? That's technically a AAA game.
Obviously not, but if you look at it from from.
The standpoint of these. Categories, yeah, as a business,
right because it. Was a big, big project, yeah.
Yeah, it's weird. Indie is a genre, not a size or
a budget. Yeah, used to be, but I mean
indie is even especially even when you look at like music,
indie scene is completely ruined.
It's like what's what does this mean?
Or does that mean? I think indie AA AAA just
shouldn't be used anymore. This is an open world game.
Yeah, I. Think even as a.
Genre, it's tricky now, yeah, because are are we going to say
like Expedition 33 was, you know, fits into the indie genre
just because like. The number of devs.
Or whatever. But then we find that, like, the
team was much bigger. Yeah, it's tough, man.
Unless it's clearly like a game made by one person, you know,
then you can clearly say, yeah, it's indie.
It's just it. Gets too weird.
But if the game is made by one person.
And EA. Yeah, right.
Yeah. No.
It can't be. That's right of small.
Games that exists. So there you go.
But they would. Even tout it as an indie.
They would. Oh yeah, they would, Sotness
says. Categorization is getting
pointless. 90% boneless chicken wings.
Yeah, so, so true. It's why I was joking.
Saying that, I was talking about, I was talking about
somebody being so stupid they would somehow choke to death on
a boneless chicken wing. But it's like, that's the way
the discussion feels. Right now is.
That I think, I think overall, why discuss it?
Why not just say this is a shooter because one's a signal.
1 is a virtue signal, that's all it is.
Or a cost spent signal. This is a AAA game.
What does that mean out of any context?
If somebody says it's a AAA game, that is a cost virtue
signal. We spent a bunch of money on
this game. That is exactly what it it used
to mean. What is a AA game?
We didn't spend as much money on this game, but now we see AAA
games costing less than some AA games.
What is an indie game virtue signal?
It means one person. And this is so bad that even the
Game Awards got it wrong three times in the last year.
Three separate times, The people who should have known exactly
what to call something messed it up.
That's an indicator it's broken. It just needs to go away.
You know, the more I. Think about it, the indie genre
I think has been or label has been used as a proxy for this
game is a passion project. Yeah.
So people would view it as this one dev, right, That, you know,
they spent 10 years creating this game and it's a labour of
love kind of thing. Let's put a special spotlight on
that. And I think that the indie label
became kind of that and then was also used for other adjacent
type of games. But maybe we just need a
different label. Maybe we can just say, you know,
labour of love or like passion project, better labels can come
up. But can I honestly say I think
passion project? Is even worse.
Passion project indicates the person.
Working on a triple. A game has no passion and the
people I know who were that's true working.
On triple. A games have just as much
passion. And I find it they do that to me
is disgusting. That's almost worse because that
means not only am I going to neuter you for success, I'm
going to snip you again. I'm going to geld you because
you'll have the audacity to work for a big company so therefore
it's impossible for you to have passion.
That is, that is why. And it's so nice to see multiple
game devs get away from these categorizations because that is
a sickening signal boost. It is.
It's if you want to send it one person, that's great.
But how dare you. How fucking dare you?
How dare you say that you somehow magically have a fucking
life? Bar.
Called passion and yours is bigger than somebody else's.
Yours is bigger dude. People in bands, Oh.
You can't have as much passion. You have 5 people in your band.
You have to be a guy out there with a kazoo in his fucking
mouth, the drums and the guitar that he's playing all three.
Otherwise no passion. Fuck you man, fuck you.
OK, Kazoo in the in the. In that's great, and it's become
they're playing the drums and the.
Guitars with it's like, dude, that person, you can't tell me
that every single one of those doesn't that they magically have
they magically have more passion than and it's become so.
Normalized to shit on the big studios or the big AAA's that
even myself, I didn't catch myself there.
The implication saying if the small 1 is a passion project,
the big one isn't. Yeah.
Yeah, it's kind of a toxic, it
is narrative. You know and.
And it comes it's. Even why like?
It's even something that we. Have to deal with or I have to
deal with when I'm like, OK, so here's some truth.
It's like I work alone and then you have like a GameSpot or
something that's got multiple people.
I can't say that I magically have more passion than them.
That's ridiculous 'cause they're going to work every day.
Maybe in an office they hate working, and maybe their passion
is getting them from 9:00 to 5:00.
Working with that piece of shit who's next to him who thinks
shoot him in the face with a Nerf gun is fun and all they
want to do is push him down a flight of steps.
But they go in 'cause they have a passion to cover games.
Do you see what I'm saying? Like the the.
The passion thing that is a that is a weird.
It's also impossible to. Measure because you could see
someone who works like 10 hour days and you could call them
passionate, but then someone else who's just more efficient
and works five hours days and gets the same thing done, are
they less passionate? Like the more I'm thinking about
it, I'm just pissed off, you know, because it's, it's so
unfair. Actually, I think that's why.
I think that's why it's great. To just say this.
Is a shooter, yeah, maybe that's.
It just. Got to land on that.
And and maybe we say, you know, we aid the conversation with the
price tag, right? It's a $60.00 shooter and it's
an ambitious open world, for example.
Those are things that kind of explain the the scope of it,
right? Yeah, Just explain the scope of
it. Yeah.
EF Bay, EF Bay says. Based on the sounds of the
previews, ACBF. Resync sounds like has a lot of
passion behind it. Yeah, yeah.
Look at previews for AC games. This happens all the time.
That's why I'm just like, like, do you want to go play the game?
I'm like, I would rather not, no, I'd rather just play it.
Because you're going to get sucked into this discussion of
like, Oh my God, there. We need to talk about how much
they're not doing or we need to talk about how much they are
doing. It's like, no, we don't.
We just need to see what the game's worth is the game worth?
Is it a good game? Dude, a lot of people I know
have never played Black Flag ever.
So to them, they don't have any of these connotations.
Like, oh, they've been doing so much.
It's like, what does that mean? What does that mean?
They've been doing so much it to somebody who hasn't played it,
it means absolutely nothing. You know you have.
To be passionate to work in the gaming.
Industry, it's not great to work in.
I don't know. I wasn't passionate for logging
and I worked in logging, so I think that's not true.
I don't think you have. To be passionate to work where?
You work I. Think that.
There's going to be a lot of places I've worked that I was
not. I was not passionate because a
lot of times. You don't get.
Into it because you're passionate.
You get into it because, oh, what's hot right now?
Well, software engineering is hot, this being like 10 years
ago. So I'm going to just go study
that. You don't know where you're
going to end up, you know? You know what a lot of people
don't know? Upfront.
With games like you See, you see.
Sawyer from Obsidian, you know, he gets to make, we'll call it
his passion project, whatever his his indie game that wasn't
an indie, but you get this game. He's got like 10 people.
He makes Pentamint right? I just think it's such a
disservice. If you do cut it down to it's
all this stuff versus it is a game, think about how.
Think about how shitty it is to explain it this way.
It's a game made by a ton of devs with some passion and it's
a 2D game, but you spent most of your words on your tweet
explaining the social signal shit.
Or you say it's about a Friar doing a.
Murder mystery and you just. Talk about the game in your
tweet, let's say 144 letters, 244, whatever you have.
Now that to me, that second one is way more worthwhile than
hearing all the other stuff in a podcast or when he talks.
I want to see that. But I, I, you know, it's the
game, man. That's what you'll be playing in
the end. Are you playing Sawyer?
No, if you were, there'd be a whole different game.
You're not playing the person making it.
You're playing the game that you get.
And I I bring it back. To what?
The game. Is, you know, what is it
actually, Especially with so many games.
Really difficult man, there's so many things, so many games and
tags as well because. Like something can be a souls
like, but is it, you know, what is it like really?
It's a big gamut of games in there.
Did you guys? So it's also not.
By the way, Johnny, did you hear this?
Steam added Bullet Heaven. Oh.
Oh wait, what's? The differentiation between
bullet hell and heaven. Are you just like, happy you're?
You're like a bag of rainbows while playing it.
As opposed to stressed out? I honestly don't know.
I don't know. That's hilarious.
That's. Almost like when they changed
the words instead of saying whitelisted or like blacklisted.
You can't use those terms anymore in software engineering.
Oh yeah, there's definitely terms you.
Can't use or like the master. Slave model for services and
stuff. You can't use that anymore
either. Yeah.
Yeah, true. I.
Forgot that change. In one of my updates granted
some of those. For a good reason, you know it
is a bit. It's a bit touchy language
there. Yeah, people are talking about
Game Pass and. Saving companies.
And that was pretty crazy. When we were talking to Victor,
there were a couple others who were like, dude, without Game
Pass, we would not have stayed afloat.
And it's like, to me that's the best part, is that there's so
many ways to get a game now. There's HIO, which is free.
And by the way, anybody who likes smaller games, we'll just
call them smaller. I personally would say check out
Hio, man. They have a ton of stuff on HIO,
which is great. And then some of those games
will do good on Hio and they'll come out on steam paid, which is
actually really cool too. So you'll get like your free
game on maybe it'll be like the we'll call it point.
We'll call it a one point O. You'll get that on itch
sometimes and then a year later I'll go look and find on steam
and it's sort of like their two point O you know, they maybe
they got a little bit of money, they got whatever.
And you see this and I think that's, I think that's what's so
cool is EA, you know, supporting smaller devs.
You see smaller dev teams getting money from them.
You see game pass, you see these ways.
Everybody's finding everybody's got these different ways.
They're not all perfect. None will be perfect.
Getting a $50 million loan isn't perfect.
So you get those and like it's just awesome.
And we see the devs literally talking about game.
If anybody wants to see like how devs are delivering games and
how they choose gamer biz gamer game, what is it?
Game developer. Dot Biz has a lot where they've
talked about, you know who, how they choose and who comes to
them and who you know who's like, like gives them the best
deal. Sometimes they'll pass up the
best deal for a longer running deal.
So you get all these, you get really good information.
GDC is another place. I can't tell what people are
arguing about. Is somebody trying to say that
Game Pass hasn't helped a devout?
Because multiple devs have talked about that literally
online. Even in GDCS they talk about
that. I can't tell if that's what
people are talking about. Quit arguing, I'm just joking.
Yeah. But.
Yeah. I mean, The thing is, is like
just because you don't like something and we don't like.
Genres doesn't mean it's. Going to be continually be used,
but I will fight that for a while.
I just don't like it, man. It's just it's a little rough
sometimes when it comes to the comes to the the genres.
Yeah, I don't know what. Bullet heaven means I don't
like. I don't know what it means.
I guess it's becoming like the the.
Music means this is hell, you know?
Yeah. It's becoming Oh yeah, yeah,
you're like, then slap happened Neo Metal.
Neo Metal Viking. Trap or whatever so it still.
Led to many companies closing. Yeah, yeah.
The entire industry has no, no particular way of delivering
games has like dominated the way companies go out of business as
we're seeing right now, Huge companies, small companies.
By the way, one of the things people don't realize is how many
indie companies go out of business or Indies and AA
companies go out of business before they even announce the
game. That's where I get a lot of my
data is when I'm talking to somebody who's now a YouTube and
I'm like, how'd you become a YouTube?
And they say, well, I was making an indie game and we couldn't
even, we, we, it couldn't come together.
We worked for three years and we have an indie game sitting there
that's not done. But you'll never hear that
because they don't even announce the game that they're working
on. They're not.
They didn't even get to that point.
They didn't even get to the point.
Sucks, it sucks. But what else we got for news?
I know you were saying your back was hurting.
Yeah, I'm doing OK doing. OK, now actually.
Oh, this fin fin razzle. Says Bullet heaven means you
send out so many bullets rather than you have to dodge all the
bullets. True Oregon fresh says crazy
concept. There's good and bad to every
selling model. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
You'll always get somebody who stands on top and crows, but
it's it's almost like when somebody says Game Pass will die
and they just keep putting more money in and every it's like
you've got some people who are probably still sitting on that
old turd. It's a weird one.
Always. Be cooking.
PLN 25 what's up Sir? Says just wanted to increase the
passion a bit. Hey man, I.
Think Johnny's got passion? Mine's.
Maybe. Maybe mine's gone.
No, I don't think so. I think mine's increased.
Bro you're. One of the most driven.
People I know, what are you talking about?
I was. I was.
You're insane.
I do, I like me some games man I.
Like me, some games, yeah. What else do we got going on in
games though? What do we got?
What do we got that's. Like, like, what's something?
How about we talk about something that's surprising
something? That is like ultimately.
Has been surprising this lat no that's all right always be
cooking. What's something that is in this
past 6? Months that's been.
A really good surprising thing. It can be a surprising game, it
can be a surprising peripheral, it can be something like
positive and awesome in games that has come about I I think.
Subnautica 2 is is. A really good Did we talk about
it last week? A little bit, yeah.
Little why do you. Think that it's.
It's a really good early access game, so it it's got
shortcomings in the places you expect.
So it doesn't have all the biomes, it's not as fleshed out
compared to Subnautica one, for example.
The progression is not quite there.
It's very much so feeling like a sandbox right now.
But it's a fun sandbox for you to jump in, get a taste for what
the game is going to be. And I think it's actually a
great example of early access where you're not finding like
blank skill trees or technology trees.
You know this type of stuff you see sometimes in early access.
No, it is like a a solid foundation of a game there and a
great experience already as it is.
For example, I spent 30 hours in there.
I made a video today talking about it as well and overall
good time to jump in, check it out and then take a step back.
And the time you spent makes you more excited for the full
release in a way that I haven't really felt that much in early
access. In fact, it's been the opposite
because I jumped early. I would be like just, you know,
reluctant to jump back in in the in the full axis.
But now I have, I have a strong feeling of like, yes, I want to
play this game when it's completed, but you know, take a
step back now, allow them to to do their work.
And I think that's how where the access should be.
The only other thing I would like to see added is a firm
estimate for when the game is going to be ready, because still
it's very in the clouds. They they give you a road map of
what's going to be coming out, but there isn't a road map for
one point. O you know, I I would love to
kind of see that upfront. Mine will.
I'll agree with you and then I'll add another one, but I
think Subnautica being on Game Pass is one of the biggest like
bonuses because I didn't expect that to be on Game Pass.
That is massive. And I would say I know you
probably bought it, but I think the majority of people I know
right now are playing the Game Pass and then Forza doing as
well. Is Forza wasn't talked about a
bunch until maybe the last two months.
And I didn't know how it was going to do.
I mean, I knew it was going to do Welch's Japan, but I didn't
know if it was going to be good and do well.
But my separate 1 and I'm, I can't even tell you if this is
going to have bad connotations because of all the hubbub that
went around it. But the Disco Elysium company
released their game and it got stellar reviews and it is a
genuinely amazing, like RPG game.
And then you have some of their devs now, the Disco Elysium dev
devs, you have a couple of them on Kickstarter and they have a
game that is on Kickstarter right now that they're getting
money for. So regardless of all the battle
that happened there and very tangible real bad feelings and
all the stuff that happened, that's amazing.
Like, yeah, that is amazing to me how that came together too.
And in a way you have the Crafton thing with Subnautica
that went bad and now you still have them doing good.
They had to rehire them all that kind of weird shit.
So you have you have these things.
That honestly. Could have meant the game wasn't
coming out right or could have meant that like it, because
we've seen that too, where shit's falling apart and and
what you get is bad and you're sitting there going like, holy
crap. Two of the biggest contentious
situations. Disco Elysium and Subnautica 2
have to be two of the biggest content, and regardless of any
of the other stuff, if I have a friend who doesn't know this
other bullshit, I know they can. Get 2 games.
That are awesome. That to me is like what really
matters. And you, you see it with rock
rock bands where like one guy will split and he'll make a new
band and he does well in the original band, does well too.
Even though there's contentious and there's shit flying all the
time. It's like, well you know what?
In the end you get 2 really good records and now we got two
really good games from situations that absolutely
sucked. And it shows that there are ways
for them to separate and still do well.
Also some other surprises. I didn't expect Soros to be so
good. Somebody says somebody says
Crimson Desert. Responding to player feedback on
a weekly basis is awesome. Machine says all the changes.
With the Xbox joking, I know not much time has changed.
Yeah, yeah. But hey, who knows?
Yeah, who knows. So it's it.
It is just. Really cool.
I mean, these guys like it. It's.
Awesome because. Gamers benefit from it, the
developers. Get to continue to make.
Games and more people. Especially with.
Subnautica and Game Pass, that's just fucking amazing.
Like that to me is probably it's not as big as Forza, but it's
huge. That is fucking ludicrous That
that that's that actually shocked me more than anything.
I don't know, you know, how all that deal came about, but that
is awesome because the number of people I know who would never
have played that, who are now playing it is insanely high and
who were had no plans to get it. So it's just like, awesome.
A lot of AI execs at Xbox. Yeah, true, true.
That's the one thing that always shocks me is like people will
spend an hour on Twitter bitching about AI and then some
of the major people from different companies at AI are
now running Xbox. I it doesn't mean anything.
We've had like GE salesman doing a great job running a video game
company. It doesn't really mean much, but
at the same time it just sort of goes away if they're on your
team, you know, it's like, oh, well, we're on our team now.
So by the way, this happened a great deal of the bald guy.
He ran Google Stadia when that failed, but he was at Sony for
years. What is his name?
He worked at Sony for years and he was a staunch Sony guy and
then left Sony and worked at Microsoft and then just
immediately switched and people are like, I love him.
Now you're like, oh God, here we go.
It's like NFL teams getting different quarterbacks.
Let's see, what are they? Oh my God, people, quit losing
your minds in the chat. Jesus Christ, you guys, what the
fuck? They're bitching about stuff
that doesn't even, it doesn't even make sense.
AI wasn't a thing until five years ago.
That's just what they what they've done lately.
Yeah. That's the other thing that I
think is important is let's say somebody is a quarterback for a
bad team for the last five years, but they were an amazing
quarterback and they've still got some pretty good numbers.
You can remember just last five years.
But you can say this person has some good solid skills and bring
them in. And I think that that's the
smarter plan. It's not always, you know, you
may have worked at a shitty company that didn't do well.
Yep. It doesn't mean if, if given the
tools, you can't do well at a new company.
I mean, we've all had that. Or you stay at a company too
long and you're not doing well, you know, and then you move to a
new company and your passion is back.
Your passion meter has lit. You're gonna keep hitting me
with that. No.
No, no I'm not. Oh, I wasn't meaning.
To hit you. Sorry.
No, no, it's OK. It was a terrible.
Idea. Yeah, let's call it a passion
project, Yeah. We'll just have to see how.
All that goes good. I think with all these
companies, it's best not to care who runs them, I think.
I think so, yeah. I think it was nice to have Phil
Who? Played games, it did and he did,
and it didn't work out perfectly.
There were a couple great times, but it didn't work out.
And sometimes you'll get somebody in there who you're
like, what do they have? Why are they going to do well?
Sometimes it's new blood who just looks at things in a
different way because they say this hasn't worked.
I mean. It, it also doesn't have to be
the CEO, if there is someone in there that can bridge the gap
between the CEO and the public that sometimes can be a
technical person, right? Or can be like just someone
adjacent to the executives that can kind of like speak our
language. So they can kind of come out and
say, listen, this is what we're focusing on, this is what it
means for you guys. And they can be a bit more
relatable, right? Like a good vice president
versus. A president that you're just,
you know, or a good exactly whatever you guys have.
Premier. What do you have?
What do you what do they call like Prime Minister?
Prime Minister? Sorry I said Premier, but.
Yeah, Prime Minister. Then you might have somebody
who's like the vice Prime Minister who's just easier.
They're just easier to digest and maybe that's their thing is
just that maybe they're made major thing is their ability to
really sort of be able to transfer data a little bit
easier than that person who can't.
I've had many a boss that you're like, yeah, he probably
shouldn't talk, probably shouldn't be the one doing that.
Yeah, their skills are elsewhere.
And they haven't. That makes sense.
And they in fact they work better as a.
Team sometimes where they yeah, they're the you know, but.
When they talk, they're. Like, and we like computer and
you're all oh, dude, this is not going to work out.
Yeah, like resident alien. He could use someone to.
He could use APR person rigid gap.
Machine. XP $5 Super Jet just.
A lot of hot and heavy passion in this chat.
Yeah, exactly, exactly. But you guys need to realize,
man, like people, there's a lot of people who state, yeah, we
won't even go. There, we'll just move on.
Yeah, it's one of those. It's one of those things Vice
president to present, Vice president to present is premiere
to premiere pro. I think that was supposed to be
a joke, but I think you meant Vice president to president is
premiere to premiere Pro, right? Hey, did you?
Oh, I think. That's OK.
Yeah, yeah, I. Got it.
Now some VPS are passionate about.
Couches, for example, that sounds that's.
Vaguely sexual. Yeah, for sure.
Yeah, that's. Vaguely sexual.
But you were going to say. I, I don't know, I I read the.
Couch comment we lost turned to Brazzers.
Or. Banged, I know instantly, couch
or whatever. It's called they.
They ruined the couches for us forever.
They did dude. I was with.
My wife going to the movie a couple weeks ago and we walked
by and there was a furniture store next to the movie theater
and the couch would just happen to be that color.
I mean, it was just against a wall.
It didn't even. It's ruined, I saw.
It and I was like oh God, and I just realized.
It. It is, yeah.
Or you see a like, you'll see a movie, you'll see a movie
premiere and they'll get all the actors.
And if there's one female on the couch and a bunch of you know
how they do the thing, the actors standing around.
Standing around, they got their arms crossed and you look at it
and. You're like, I wish these guys
knew what we knew because that's just not a good look.
It just doesn't work. It doesn't work.
Yeah, Nope. Nope.
I know which couch he's talking about.
Oregon says I bet you do. Yeah, I bet.
You do. I mean, listen.
I feel like white vans have. Always been questionable though.
I feel like before, Oh yeah, that.
Was a thing. Like as a kid you'd see a white
van and maybe I was just told that when I was a kid to watch
out for 100% like they were. Dodgy.
For sure they were dodgy, yeah. Anybody driving around a white
van? Yeah.
Who's out there buying a white van?
Yeah, especially one with unless.
You're a business. Unless you know, if you got your
plumbing logo, you got your plumbing logo.
Come on, you could. Have chosen that is code.
That is a. 100% code could have, yeah.
Damn man. Yeah, see, that's the And they
ruin plumbers. Remember the episode of Friends
when he walks in? The slogan is We're here to.
Lay pipe. We're here to lay Pipe and
Monica. Invites Joey in and say he's
like, are she's like, are you thirsty?
And he's like yeah. And she walks in to make him
lemonade and he's already undressed and naked and Oh yeah,
instantly undressed. Yeah, how often this happened?
He's like all the time. He had no clue that like, he
didn't mean sex. And I was like, dude, yeah, so
good. Let's see.
Can never look at. Couches, the same Astro vans
from the 90s are cursed Astro vans from the 90s.
Oh, is that the model? Astro Van to us is a minivan.
Not the the Chevrolet 1. Not the.
Big yeah, not yeah, the big. 360 Dodge engine van ones I'm
talking about. You know, with no windows.
Anything with no windows on it. Suspect right?
Oh yeah dude are like the painted.
Windows, yeah. Oh dude, yeah.
Or. Yeah, so where I live, there's
all these nice houses, right? Not nice, but I mean normal
middle, middle. Like we're definitely middle to
low income sometimes middle if I do well, so middle, low income.
So you see these houses, they look pretty nice.
Everybody's yards done. And then there's the house.
Every time. In every neighborhood.
There's the house, it's got a bunch of signs about beware of
dog, do not knock, blah blah blah wood over the windows.
The yard is threadbare. It's like it's not even green
when it's raining, it's always brown and dead.
And there's always one car in the parking lot up on a Jack,
and then a shitty ass really beat her car right behind it and
every goddamn. Time.
That there is ever a police call near us.
It is that house. It's just the house.
It's it's the house. It's like it's the one as a kid
where you're playing. Ball and the ball goes to that
house and you're like, and you just get a new ball.
Yeah, you're, you're not going there when into the Peterson's
yard and you're like, it's staying.
There, you know their yard is filled with ball.
Their yard is filled with ball. Sounds weird, but the yard is
filled with softballs or whatever because nobody's going
in there to. Get them.
Yeah, exactly. And you?
Never. Hear a dog, by the way.
They'll always. Say beware of dog.
Never, never hear a dog because that's not what they're, that's
not what they're trying to get. That's where the legends begin.
It's all like rumors, you know? It's like, Yep, Yep, that's you
don't. Want to This kid was never seen.
After going in there, have you guys seen Timmy in the last two
years? No, it's because we sent him to
get a ball. He never came back, man.
Little Timmy's, he's become the dog now, OK?
I don't know where I'm going. When you think it's a dog, it's
just. A kid in the basement screaming
Astro was the first with the drive.
Minivan. Yeah, that's good somebody.
Knows a lot about Astro. Vans.
Which could be weird. Yeah.
Oddly specific for you. Oddly specific.
Yeah, So you're doing Forza? What's your?
Favorite. What's your favorite?
Race car. What's your favorite car in
Forza? So I only.
Have a few hours. Because I played it today only
and I would say that the coolest car I found was a classic Mazda
in like blue. Lovely blue and it's really
nice. Classic.
And that's the thing I've been driving the most, but it's been
great. Yeah, it's it's a great time.
And I forgot about how the game worked.
Like they, they really want you to go through the checkpoints
because they will be forgiving with the rewind.
But if you go, if you don't go through a checkpoint, your race
is over because they it doesn't matter if you're first place,
you're getting. Reset in your. 12th place now.
So enjoy. I said it's just kind of
remembering how the game goes, but I really enjoyed the the way
the driving line coaches you. It's it's telling you like, hey,
you know, you got to start breaking here and it's really
satisfying that if you follow the line with you, well, you,
you're just going to drive. Well, it's, it sounds kind of
simple and, and it sounds bad when I say it that way, but it's
for someone who's a casual that's a nice aid that allows
you to feel like someone who knows how to drive, but.
Without the knowing. If that makes sense, because it
can be very frustrating if you're someone who you, you just
don't know like how to take the turns and stuff to go from that
to, to knowing it's tough, it's a tough curve if you go into
like a more simulation game. So yeah, I, I, I really
appreciate the way they do it where you don't have a ton of
inputs. You got your accelerator, your
brake, you know, and you're just mostly focused on the world
itself and enjoying the scenery, and then also just going with
the flow, Stoli gave. US a $10 super.
Chat a passion chat. Just dropping by to support the
cause. Haven't been around a while due
to medic school. Praise Odin.
Says Sully. Yeah, thank you for the passion.
Chat man if we. Get 6000 likes on this.
Maybe we'll do another stream this week.
Dude I was so we always tease Rad Brad cuz he'll be like
here's my first video and if I get 201,000 thumbs.
Up I might do. A second one you're like, dude,
that's such a smart such a that is actually not nefarious, but
highly intelligent, even though I he cracked the system man even
to. This day that SEO is like she
was watching a mystery. Channel and this girl, she does
a great job at mysteries. At the end she's like, yeah, so
if I get like 65,000 videos I might do or thumbs up I might do
Part 2 of this. And I was like, oh man, yeah,
that's like it's everywhere. It's such a smart way of doing
it. So yeah, if we get to we get to
500 likes on this, I'll do another side.
Oh dude, the side podcast. I'll do another side podcast.
Side podcast was fun this week, man.
I covered a bunch of stuff. I forgot I even did it.
You can find us on Spotify and iTunes too.
I have been asked where most of our viewers are.
Weirdly enough, YouTube's OK, but Spotify and iTunes, people
like listening, probably because it's either listen or look and
listen. And let's be honest, neither one
of us are breaking any records for hotness, right?
I mean, manliness, for sure. I don't.
Yeah, I. Don't have the, you know, the
luscious hair, but manliness we're.
Definitely we're tapped out, like you can't go any higher.
We've like manliness. We're definitely maxed out.
But you know, looks maybe I'd say you're carrying the heavier.
Part of that, of the manliness. But I'll, I'll, I'll take that.
I'll take that as a compliment. I've got the man in it.
Maybe. No.
You've got the, you've got the intelligence, I've got the
manliness and together we make a pretty intelligent.
No, no, I I get very charitable. I'll take it.
Let's go with that.
Hey, I'll, I'll, I'll give it to you.
You. Know.
A medic is always a good sight. Oh so my favorite car.
I have a bunch but I like the I think it's a 57 Chevy cranked up
mudder tires on it and I have spent the last two days making
races. You can find them.
One's messed up I admit, but it's ACG 123 ACG 1234.
Very easy to find my events. Mallanthrax I think is the site
is the username I'm using for these events.
But I made a hill climb and everybody who was doing it has
never expected to do a race where you may not make it to the
first checkpoint. I have a hill climb and a
checkpoint. The first checkpoint's right at
the top. We watched Beaver for like an
hour try to get to that first checkpoint.
He could not. He's like, OK, I got to tune the
car this way. It's actually fun because I
think most people make their races just like, start here, go
here and not me, I'm putting traps in my races.
So there's like grass and a rock hidden there that'll stop you.
There's a jump. Oh my God, the checkpoints.
Over here and. Dude, we had people and they're
going like, these are the best fucking races ever.
They're like, they're not like any other race because I have no
clue where the next thing will be.
And so I spent hours building these gnarly race tracks.
And that's how I picture your house.
Like you've set it up with traps and like, challenges.
So like, people to go through the yard, they need to, like,
that's the way to do it. Yeah.
That's the. Way to do it.
You saw an A leg off of 1 of the couches, but you just make it
look like it's supported. So when they sit it, you can be
like you broke my couch, you have to buy a new one.
And they're like seriously? Yeah man, you broke the couch
and then you just get them to buy a new one.
They look at, it's like it's sawed.
Off Carrick. Like, I can't, yeah, they're
like quite cleanly on the leg. And I'm like, yeah.
That's that is weird. That is weird.
Listen, I'm no CSI Miami. But this thing's been so yeah,
you are right, that is suspicious.
And by the way, I happen to have the online catalog for the new
furniture store up, so let's go ahead and look through this so
you can buy me a a replacement couch.
No, my house is my house has got dogs.
Those traps enough? Yeah.
They get under feet. They scare new, they scare the
poor. What do you call it?
The the poor mailman. Those are big dogs.
They're big dogs, but two of them are cowards.
Like a fly goes by that guy shivering and he's but if a
mailman like I don't know what it is because he's AI mean he's
a primal 1. It's a primal.
They hear that. Mailman and they're.
Just like, fuck you, motherfucker.
I have been If they came in evolved they would run to the
back and still bark. But they would never attack.
They're like, they're put. They're just loud mouths.
But it is so funny to see them be like sound all big and
strong. I've had Instacart people be
like, can I just leave my stuff, like at the end of the walkway?
And I'm like, yeah, absolutely. I wouldn't want to be barked at
either. Sure, Yeah, if they were to.
Come in the. House those, those cowards,
they'd be under a table or if a family goes by, they're just
like, I mean just. I have one who goes under.
The deck when there's too many flies and just hide shivering
under the deck. I'm like dude, such a pussy man.
But yeah I'm telling you, set up your house with a bunch of as
many traps as humanly possible and then when people break your
shit, like tell them to go get the remote for the TV but put
the TV on a spindle so the moment they touch it, it falls
over. Brand new TV telling you this is
the way to do it. That's if you have really.
Well off friends, now that I. Think about it.
It's probably not going to work. It's like that movie.
What was? What was that franchise of
movies where Home alone? OK, well that one too I was.
Thinking of the one final destination, you know that one.
Oh yeah. Where like, you know, like one
thing will fall here, there touch here and there a log is.
It's so great, man. Those are actually pretty good
horror movies. That's horror.
There you go, Legit. Legitimately, yeah.
Speaking of horror, real. Quick, are you going to do
Directive 8020? I don't think so because I did
watch. Most of it played, and I enjoy
watching more than playing. I like to watch.
Yeah.
Was more of a laid back thing, so probably not because I've
been spoiled for some of the big plot plot points already, but it
was. I liked it.
Yeah, again, I'm happy for all the space stuff.
Yeah, yeah, me too. Me too man I'm I'm loving.
The space stuff I like. Not everything's going to be a
banger. But just the sheer yeah, you
know, abundance is good, dude. I think expanses.
In sort of a troublesome point, so I don't know if you saw this,
but I feel, listen, were the voices the greatest?
No. Were they the greatest for were
they bad in general for everybody?
Yes, but only the male voice leads have been replaced.
I don't know if you saw this. They got replaced last week.
Why? What happened?
Because people complained about. The male voice actor so much was
bad that they're redoing. All the.
Voices. Yeah, and I got to say not to be
rude, man, it felt I'm not saying it felt sexist or SIM
like a symbol or anything, but I listen to the female voice too.
And this has happened to me a couple times in other primary
games where people be like you can choose a male or female.
And I'm like, listen, I'm sorry, They they both ain't good.
And that's sort of the way this game is there.
I'm sorry, but if you're going to replace the male lead, I
think you should replace both. Not only that, the voices of the
characters in the world aren't great at all.
And this is a game based on fairly.
Iconic characters with. A lot of slang.
This is The Expanse I'm talking about.
So the exploit, you know, the Alta Lotta, you know, it's all,
there's all this slang and all this accent.
Nobody has an accent in the game.
So it's very weird to play The Expanse and I'm really worried.
Like how they're going to go about it because.
Let's say you get a really good male voice actor.
I'm trying to think of somebody who's really good.
That like, isn't overdone. So someone.
Who isn't? Try Baker.
Yeah, I'm just saying so. And that's a lot of money.
So let's say, let's say you get Anthony Ingruber, who can do
accents and he's really good. You get him and he levels up the
male voice lead. Well, now you got the female
voice lead who hasn't leveled up, by the way.
It's like when you exercise only.
One arm, you know, you look like those weight lifters on YouTube.
Shorts for the arm wrestlers and their arm is cranked up because
that's all they do and they're trying to grab a pop and they
have to bend their fucking at the waist to pick up a pop like
a Tyrannosaurus Rex because her arm's so bent.
That's what you're going to have.
You're going to have this guy who's like, oh, you know, doing
all the weird accents. You're going to have a lady go
belt a lotta and you'll be like, oh, come on, man, come on, You
didn't even try. She's got the basic Yeah,
picking. Up Natalie Portman out there.
Who's Sorry, but Natalie Portman was only good in one movie,
Black Swan, because it apparently is how she.
Acts. I mean, she's.
Dude, she's wooden as shit. Come on, Natalie Portman, I will
hunt you down. Literally.
Needs to be stained. To because she's so wooden.
She is wooden, man. She come on.
What? OK, what's she not wooden?
I may be biased on this. What?
Do you like her in Have You Seen?
Black Swan, I think she's good in Black Swan, yeah, yeah, she
was good in that. With the altar dude, it's great.
V for Vendetta, good idea. Yeah, V for.
Vendetta. Star Wars.
I mean, what? What's her?
I'm going to give you that. I mean, I can't remember.
No Starboard. Oh, no, no, no, no, no.
You mean what? Come.
On man, she's like, no. I love you.
More No, I love OK, the writing was bad.
OK, I no, I agree. The writing was bad, but writing
was bad. I like her in it.
I. Like the hairdos?
Are you a fan of wigs? I'm.
I'm just biased. Are you a fan of?
Like have you seen Alias with Jennifer Garner?
That was the the FBI, don't remember, but like a special
unit and she always wore wigs. I know a lot of my friends were
super into that and I, I hadn't been, I I didn't like it.
Too much, but it was fine. It was fine as a show.
Yeah. Yeah.
I just know a lot of people were.
Into the wig look for some reason, which sort of surprised
me on that, which is why honestly I didn't know it was a
wig. Yeah, and but it.
Makes sense, Checks out. In Star Wars, she's always
wearing. You know, the finery, like the
big hair and the, you know, yeah, all the almost like geisha
looking or a very white pasty face, the red line.
And that's all it is true. You know, I mean, I love George.
It's. Very.
It's very adjacent, I mean, and the Trade Federation shows.
Up and they're like, hey, how are you?
How are you me? And you're like, dude.
Come on, try a little longer. That true?
That. But yeah.
OK. I'll give you.
Yeah, I. Just think she's with but.
Anyway, Long story short, Expanse is going to have a tough
time because they're Yeah, you it yeah, can level up.
Yeah, you can't. Level up one side.
You know, I do think that that does become.
It's like when I don't know. Do you know what the $1,000,000
man is? Do you ever hear about that show
when you were a kid? Yeah.
So the. $1,000,000 man. They only replaced one fucking
leg. That guy would be running in
circles with a bionic leg, right?
That is the way it would be in the expense if you just one.
Up. Just the one side.
You need to really go in there. Yeah.
Maybe rerecord it with both of them.
Just. I mean, Peter Dinklage was
replacing Destiny. Remember that?
There's a wizard on the moon. Yeah, he started as.
The mechanical? Yep.
NBC, right, I think. He could have done.
Fine if they. Had had him redo it, I think.
I think whoever was the audio director just didn't do a good
job of being like, because that guy's been in Threshold and he's
funny, sarcastic, he's scared sometimes in Threshold.
He does a great job in that. He did a great job in Game of
Thrones and then you get him in Destiny and you're like, I mean,
I teased him a lot, but at the same time I'm like seems it
seems like they probably could have just had him re record and
be like we need a little yeah, it could have been a cost a.
Cost thing too, like it didn't turn out well, but to do a
retake or like a you know, it would just be Nolan North to do
for Nolan. North can't be cheap because
he's number 2 after Troy Baker. Well, he's not, but he's not
Tyrone Lannister. You're right.
You're right.
Yeah, I bet you. Or maybe he's just like, I don't
fucking want to do it. Like maybe he thought games are
stupid. You know, he wouldn't be the
first actor to not know Charlie Cox.
Back then it was a bit like. That Charlie Cox, he didn't even
know what he was. Doing when he did Expedition 33,
he was like, I have no real clue, you know, So I like the
honesty. At least he didn't.
Pretend like, Oh yeah, for sure. I gave him all the time, you
know? And then you ask him, Oh yeah.
What's your favorite game? Tetris.
Yeah, yeah, when you. I mean that that is the thing,
right? Do they need to know?
Know, But they need to know. It's like TV, soap operas or
movies where it is a different style.
They don't need to know games. I don't think they need to know
games at all really. But they do need to know that
it's you're emoting differently and you're never going to know.
I wonder if it is. Different and this circus was
saying he doesn't find it to be that different but he's also.
His characters have. Been a lot of them CGI right, So
there's exactly I think Andy Serkis isn't.
Understanding that his entire way of doing stuff has been
leading him to games a little bit, a little bit closer to.
Games, Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure, because you even hear.
The one lady from avatar and and the other guy from the the guy
from avatar both them said they didn't know for the first movie
how like what do you think? About Death Stranding, they had
some big names, right? Blanking on the names right now,
but they had a bunch. I think they did pretty well
with Death. Strain especially too, they were
a little bit more comfortable and even the over top, over the
top stuff. In fact, I would say the most
uncomfortable was Troy Baker. His was the most.
But that was the character. The character, yeah, more and
more, yeah. But yeah, I'll say I, I think.
Those guys I. But I think Kojima was making
movies from Metal Gear Solid 3 on Yeah, there you go, his.
Stuff is also closer to a movie exactly than general games
exactly, so there's some of. That I think.
That's why those. 2 might say, oh, it's the same, but you get
somebody who's like like Peter Dinklage is probably going, what
do you mean I won't be on the screen ever.
No, you'll be a little box that maybe that's over behind
somebody just talking. So you're like, I'm a robot.
Yeah, yeah, you're a robot. OK.
There's a wizard on the moon. Maybe that's tough for him, too.
But maybe that's why it didn't turn out so well.
He's a theater actor. It's got to be he's a.
Theater. Actor and now suddenly you're a
mechanical, you know, ball and you have basically no
personality kind of right because you're when people say
you're a robot or you're AI maybe.
He was like, yeah, OK, there's a robot on the moon.
You know, he doesn't think that's an emotive robot.
Where? I mean, how many movies have you
seen Johnny lately where they get a robot or an AI?
Like you listen to AI in Star Trek Next Generation, which is
supposed to be 30,000 billion years past us.
And the robot's like, I am turning on the Shields and
you're like, oh, and now we hear like, you know, ChatGPT or
whatever, that sounds close to normal.
So yeah, there's right. There's that difference there in
how yeah, Bluetooth connected. Oh.
Yeah. Dude, mine are all Chinese.
Headsets too. So it's not even a person.
And by the way, I can tell you, you can tell when somebody knows
the words they're saying and somebody who is saying words,
they don't know what they mean. And I have a headset that turns
on and says Bluetooth connected. And you can tell the person
doesn't know what they're saying.
They're, they're, they're, it's not only the accent, it's where
it sounds. It's almost like a person being
told to bark like a dog. And so they're being told to.
Say Bluetooth. Connected and they're but their
language is not English at all. So they're like oof, Efid and
you're like, yeah, the phonemes don't.
Match the like yeah, exactly exactly.
Bluetooth connected, yeah. Your Bluetooth connected and.
You're like, yeah, I don't think that's it would.
Be like me. You know, if somebody says go
say something in Japanese, even if they tell me the word I still
the connotation isn't there and the connections aren't there.
And so it just sounds like sounds.
It doesn't sound like a true holistic word.
But yeah, we we got off on a tangent there.
You know, Bluetooth named after an explorer, named after a
Viking, and named after a person who communicated back to his
people. Bluetooth, by the way, still the
worst technology ever. I still think Bluetooth is so
behind on everything else. Man, I like, I have a 2.4
wireless headset and I have a Bluetooth headset and this
Bluetooth headset supposed to be one of the best.
It uses high level sort of high latency, so I don't play games
with it, but the difference between a 2.4 and that Bluetooth
man or like have you Bluetooth? Even a Bluetooth keyboard,
Bluetooth mouse I don't like as much.
I really do like having that two point.
It's like. That friend that's technically
always there for you, but will invariably let you down?
Yeah, exactly. That's exactly.
Right, they're there all the. Time.
They will, yeah. And it.
Really doesn't matter because. They're there all the time,
yeah. What else?
Do we got before we wrap it up, man.
I wanted to talk to you. About the pit, I watched season
1 of the pit, what do you think and.
It's it's great. It's a fantastic show and but I
have by the way, I can tell. I mean, there's always a but
but. There should be no in this case
it it is just great actually without.
But what I was going to say is that he brought me back memories
of when I watched ER as a kid. And he was, you know, he was the
younger coming up with George Clooney and stuff.
And I, I really like that show back in the day as a kid.
And it was. Great watching him.
I don't know why it's not called ER 2.
I think it could, maybe? Did you know that's what it was
supposed to be? Was it Michael Crichton's wife?
And. Noah Wiley don't get along very
well because of it, but there was originally the plan was to
do something very close to it and there was a bit there was a
lawsuit that's involved. They got out of it and they made
the pit and he was like, listen, ER followed the ER followed the
patients a great deal went to their homes, all that kind of
stuff. ER or the pit really isn't.
It's about the mental fortitude of emergency responders.
So he was like, this is what we want to do.
And they just finally, they just separated.
They were like, yeah, it's not going to work.
So they they ended up doing what we have now, which I think is
better. Yeah.
I mean different format. Too different format, yeah.
They're they're going to take the shittiest.
Day you can possibly think of and depict that for you show
like what they have to do on one of these.
It's crazy. ER is probably my favorite show
of. All it's not my favorite show of
all time. I don't want to say that I I I
put ER over here. It's a it's different because
it's so fantastic that like I will.
I've rewatched it like less than a year ago.
I love that show, but the pit is certainly.
Less interesting. When it comes to like, the
storylines can't be as deep because they don't want to be as
deep. So they're sort of like, you
know, yeah, it's more transient. Yeah, it's all Yeah, it's an
hour, an hour, an hour, however. Showing that somebody's losing
their shit, that a doctor is like, yeah, like, dude, you can
see it throughout. The day, you know, like this
person started fresh and now they're like, I'm I'm just dude,
I can't who pulls? Up her phone.
To leave. Google and he.
Loses his. Shit, he just like, sorry.
Do you want us to? Wear masks in the operation.
He's outside and the door shuts and he's.
Like motherfucking Google doctors out here killing kids
and I'm like thank God, because like that's a great crash out
the show are. There because of a vaccine like.
They're alive because, you know, we did fix something with the
and so his reaction to it is like.
The what the fuck are they trying?
To do like the. The kid is in dire straits.
They're absolutely at the end of their life and we know exactly
what to do. What I love is they only have
one or two episodes like that. The rest are just the rest are
not crazy drowning, injury at work, a person who's, you know,
got a weird illness. And I like that.
And I like that people make mistakes way more in the well,
they don't make mistakes as much as they they don't always have
to get their boss to come up with a good idea, which ER
hinged on that. ER was always about I think
something I'm going to bring my boss in.
Who's going to come up with a crazy thing like house where
house would be like in the last six months, has there been a
full moon that you were out naked in?
Yes. Well, then you have it's Lucas
Lunicus. Lunicus.
Lupicus, you know, and in this one it's.
Like. Those people are the best and
they're trying their best, and then maybe they make them and
then you guys are good too. But then you guys, they know
their shit. The new kids come up.
And instead of being John Carter was treated like shit in the
first 3 because he was being hazed.
There is no time for hazing in this show.
They I think. They do one thing to one of the
kids. They they do something with his
scrubs. The kid who keeps getting pissed
on and vomited on. Yeah, that was.
That's so funny. And it's consistent.
And he's just like they're. All they listen to him, so he
has something. They listen to him the very next
section, they're like, oh, you know what?
He's right. And you know me, I love team.
I think the Pit is fucking incredible, dude.
And bravo, 'cause they get to work.
You know, they they put shit aside.
Yep. And it's let's get it tracking
dude, Noah Wiley, he. Has he has ER, he's got the
Librarian series, which is like 5, Four Seasons.
He's got Falling Skies, which I adore as an alien show.
That's six seasons, which we just finished again.
And then he's got The Pit. He has just consistently put in
TV work and he's consistently good.
Like. Librarian was goofy but he is
good. Like he's just good.
He shows up and I bite. Dude his sweaty the first.
Episode of the. Pit He looks like he ran timed
miles and then rolled into a pile of dirt and showed up to
work. He's got a sweatshirt that's all
like. And he's got his grayish.
Beard and stuff and he's just, and you know, he's washing his
hands, he's making sure he's clean, but there's something
works. That guy looks like he works in
a place where you don't have time to look good, where, ER,
everybody looked good in, ER, somebody be sweaty, but they'd
still have their hair coiffed in a perm, You know, they'd pull
out their little hat. Yeah.
Like what's his name? Eric LaSalle, you know, always
jacked and shit, like what's up? And in this one, the Doctors
doesn't have a leg. You know the one, the one Doctor
Who's missing his leg. Oh yeah, sure.
And they don't. Even talk about it, by the way,
they don't even talk about it. Just like, yeah, they're just
like, Oh yeah. It's.
Like, hold on a second. Yeah, he just puts his leg back
on. And what I love about that.
Is it was a subtle. Jibe at everybody for bitching
about being tired or whatever. That dude literally came in,
worked all through all the shit, and he sits out on the park
bench, has a beer and pulls his own leg off.
And yet not once did they draw attention to him missing a leg.
They never were. Like, Are you sure you can keep
up? He's just like fucking doing a
shit. And then he rubs his leg, puts
his leg back on, grabs a beer, and let's do this.
See you. Tomorrow bitch and I love their
relationship he. When Noah's up there and the
guy's like you're take you've taken my suicide spot because
they both stand at the end of the of the building.
And I was like, what does that mean, coming back full circle to
that? Back full circle at the end.
Yeah, it's great. So good man, so good and.
That's I I noticed they never have.
Music they never have like background.
Yeah, they chose that in a weird way.
I heard him talk about it in an interview that the the medical
chatter becomes your music, your background.
And the foreground is actually the the reactions, the slight
emotions on people's faces, the confidence of one person or the
hesitancy of another. And that kind of becomes the the
foreground, the. Yeah, it's yeah, super cool.
If you listen closely to you can hear mistakes.
Being made on purpose. So that'll foreshadow something.
So if you listen very close, one of the characters that you're
going to meet in a second, one of the hurt people, you can hear
them being like, Oh my God. And but they're completely not a
part of that scene. But if you listen, they
purposely wanted you to hear what a doctor hears, which is
like the cacophony of sorry but sorrow.
Nobody goes to the hospital to go, well, today's going to be
great. I'm going to break my arm on
purpose because this is fucking fun.
So the entire musical aspect is this dire dread of human
suffering. And their job is to quiet it.
And Noah Wiley was saying at the end, the job is to sort of
remove those, to lower those. Down so that the.
Suffering is that's our job. Suffering less person helped,
person healed if we can. But it's not an remember,
they're not doing full surgery, is there?
It's mostly about emergency room.
So a person comes in in pain, they leave better than they came
in. And dude, yeah, yeah.
The last episodes of that were hard to watch, though.
My wife was at a place that had a shooting.
And so she was, I was like worried I didn't know how she
was going to react to the end because like, that's a.
That's APTS. D kind of thing for a lot of
people. Not her as much but she even
loved dude she was like that. Was so good and the confusion.
Where there, because it reminds me of like the bombers at the
Philad. I think it was the Philadelphia
Marathon where the two people bombed the marathon at the end
where everybody thought it was one person and read.
It was like, we know what we're talking about and they were
leading everybody astray with bad advice.
And in the show, they sort of show that they're like, oh, we
think it's probably this. And then you still have people
going, but we don't know for sure.
That's the other thing in a lot of shows, if somebody does
something, people react instantly.
They're like, we need to call everybody.
What I love about The Pit is he's like, wait a minute, we
don't 100% know. We don't want to ruin somebody's
life because they said something like, we're not going to freak
out like that. And I think that's sort of cool
about The Pit is they're anti the current establishment, which
is somebody's, you know, we're going to all freak out to the
highest level. Instead, he's like, well, let's
verify, you know, what's was this just a one, somebody said
something or somebody was having a bad day.
Let's look into it. And I love it.
I didn't like that she got punched by the dude, though.
No, that was rough to watch. Man, that guy's playface from.
Gotham, the TV show, he's yeah, yeah, and he levels.
The blonde lady. He, I mean, obviously, yeah,
man, it was. Right, right.
But it was, dude, really rough. It was brutal, rough to watch.
And did you see this? Did they show?
The statistic where they were showing the rise in victims who
are nurses and doctors being physically attacked at.
Emergency. Rooms, it's like skyrocketed and
I thought that was Boston Marathon.
Thank you very much. I thought that was really cool
that they covered, you know that.
So yeah, good way to show that because.
Not really something you would know unless you're really in
those. Yeah, and can I admit he had a
point? I don't mean the hitting, he had
been treated like shit for a good deal of time and he was
having a heart attack kind of situation.
And because of how the world works and who gets treated
first, that guy had been there for six hours and he was like,
all I want is for. And so they bring him back and
the, the nurse guy with the black curly hair, he's like
flicking him shit. Well, he's flicking them shit
too, but they're flicking him shit back.
They sort of caused a bit of the issue.
They were like, they're like, oh, you're being seen right now.
And they pull them back and they're like, oh, actually we're
going to read your thing and we're going to put you back in
the emergency room. And there's there's a very cool
study that Rory talks about. If a person goes from the
emergency room to a different room, their sense of moving
forward and being helped is like 75% higher than if you go back
and you go back, put them in the waiting room.
Put them somewhere else and they will.
Feel like they're advancing through the system and they
didn't. They put him back and I was
like, oh, that's a yeah putting. Yeah, that was rough.
Great show. I was on a game.
Based on that, I'd watch the shit out of that man.
I'd watch the shit out of it. I'd play or play it.
Sorry. I would play an ER game.
I think that'd be fun. What would be the game play?
Probably just like a seen somebody quick like that that.
Emergency ambulance game I I previewed a couple months ago
where you're like giving people shots and you're trying to get
them somewhat stable so you can take them, you know.
Yeah, yeah, it was good. That was a that was a we
exploded on that. You can tell we like the pit.
Jesus. Yeah, sorry.
Yeah, I mean it's. It's great, man.
I'm excited for the second season.
Yeah, you got, you got. You got a ton of shows you can
watch now. There's a lot of stuff.
Coming out, there's a lot. Of stuff out, a lot of stuff I
haven't seen. Will Trent is amazing by the
way. You see, Will Trent, No.
Talk about a. Show I.
Thought I would. Have no desire to see.
I don't know. I know some of the actors now
but I didn't know it's just a cop show.
Like a Bosch kind of thing or a Bosch.
Holy fuck. Is it fantastic?
Dude it is looking so good. I was watching.
The first episode and I'm like, oh, did you ever see Traffic
with Michael Douglas, Catherine Zeta Jones?
It's about drug the daughter I believe.
It's the same. Girl, she's the girlfriend in
it. She's a cop, Will trince a cop
and Will has a bit of OCD, but he's just really good at
thinking crimes through and. It's got.
Zach from. The old TV show from Nickelodeon
Life where they're in the they're in school.
Mario Lopez was the other actor in it.
I can't remember. I don't know if I've seen that
one, but they've got. Him in it and.
Dude, I'm telling you, it's it is.
It's like five seasons. It is fucking phenomenal and
they do the craziest shit. They'll just be in Puerto Rico
for like 6 episodes or they'll be undercover for like 5
episodes and you sort of have to catch up.
They'll give you a little brief like 6 months ago.
They move time a great deal in it.
So it'll be like 5 episodes and then they'll be like 3 months
later. You're like, oh whoa.
That's and they, and it gives them a flexibility.
Saved by the Bell. Thank you.
It gives them this flexibility, dude, that is.
And I know I've added 16 movies here.
We're doing this thing completely.
Differently now or like we're we're doing this different thing
now rather, dude, it's awesome. It's like.
It is such a unique show. I'll check it out and it's got.
A It's got a bit. Of humor, but I think you will
genuinely like it, even maybe that more than like a Bosch,
which is dark. This one's dark.
Yeah, it's dark in a different way.
It's. Great though Bosch is amazing
but at times. You're like, damn, can someone
smile, dude? Titus.
Yeah, his girl will come in. She'll be like, I just won the
beauty pageant. I got my graduate degree, I'm
going to go do this, blah, blah, blah.
And he'll be all. OK, that's it.
That's the most and you know what you're getting that my
wife. Brought this up.
My wife is like, do you realize the only people he smiles at are
the criminals because he knows he's caught them.
And I'm like, wait, oh, that's. True.
Yeah, he smirks. It's like, yeah, it's like when
you watch Longmire. Walt, Walt, one time Walt smiles
is when he's threatening to fucking kill somebody.
In that entire show, he comes up to somebody and is like, and if
you do, blah, blah, blah. Well, and you're like.
Wait, what? What is happening?
Walt's face broke into and it is the.
Most. Benevolent, I'm going to crawl
up your anus and explode inside of you kind of moment where I
was like, damn, Walt just threaten that guy with his
fucking life and it's the only dude.
He doesn't even smile to his girlfriend.
He doesn't laugh, but that he they smile.
At the bad. Guys, yeah, it's cool.
You should, dude. Yeah, you should check out Will
Trent. And if you haven't checked, I
think you saw Longmire. Right.
Did you watch a long time? No, no, dude.
Dude, some. So many.
Shows man. Anyway, gotta catch up.
I I was. Catching up on euphoria as well.
That's still very early on that it's a it's a bit rough because
I'm like drug use is some like for me, it's hard to watch.
It's gross because I don't I. Don't do drugs.
Or anything, but it's rough to watch people.
I it's very well made. It's a good like, kind of
teenage drama. It's very explicit, but it is
very well made and like good actors and stuff, it's there's.
Do you see the episode? Where somebody spits on.
Their hand, I'll just say that I mean.
There has already been some spitting on hands, yes.
I don't know if it's the one you're talking about.
The one I'm talking about, yeah, it might be.
Dude, yeah. It's already been very explicit.
You're talking to, you're talking to somebody.
I'm not chased, I no, you're not easily like.
What? Yeah, yeah, I'm.
Totally fine with all that, but even I was like, damn.
God damn. Seriously.
Yeah, Yeah. Like seriously, That's.
One thing that like. You know, it's hard to describe
to somebody, but like it's a part of things that may happen
that you don't you you just don't see ever shown, even
though it may occur. And it may actually be sort of
like not even surprised, but to show it on TV.
And I knew instantly what was going on and I was just like, oh
man, wow, God damn, this show is.
It's there. Yeah, it's, it's going there.
I I. Watched it.
We felt that it. Got gratuitous?
For gratuity's sake, like, after a while, you're like, OK, you
know, like HBO sometimes has a bit of that.
It does like getting a big gratuitous Yeah, the Boy, the
Game of Thrones, Game of Thrones, the number of.
Dogs. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Game of Thrones, Game of. Thrones sometimes you're like,
OK, we. Get it?
You know, it's like really books.
But do we? Need this like full pubic.
Shaving scene. Oh my God.
Oh dude, game. So Game of Thrones is the first
season I believe Littlefinger is talking to I.
It could be Lannister, it could be somebody else.
While two women are fingering each other, he's explaining.
How to do it correctly? And now listen, I'm telling you
again, I just don't have any issues with that.
But seen the callousness in way and it was it was a well filmed
scene to show you the callousness but it doesn't.
I was just like. OK.
Damn, how? Like it's a purely.
Mechanistic thing for him, he's just like systematic completely.
Divorced of, you know, because many people grew up on Pretty
Woman and it's like, Oh no, the lady of the night still got
feelings. You know, she still can love a
man and he can love her dirty soul and they can live together
forever. And he's like, no, use your
finger like this and you're like, damn.
OK, well, that's a lot. Yeah, it was.
Yeah. Did you see that one the night?
Of the A Night of the Kingdom, the newest 1 they did.
I've watched the 1st. 2 episodes.
Yeah, OK, I watched that, I thought.
That was quite good, I enjoyed that.
Do you think the comedy or. The was it?
Yeah, a bit more the. Comedy a bit more grounded, and
it's also short. It was kind of a nice short
story going on with. Do you think it helps too?
Because it's. Not the mechanisms of leadership
that are in Game of Thrones normally can get a little
tiresome. You're like, yes, this is the
leader of blah, blah, blah. This is the guy, blah, blah,
blah, this, that, that. Yeah.
All the politicking. Yeah.
All the politics and in. That one, at least the two
episodes I've seen, it's such a low level person that for the
most part he's just. Outside of that, yeah, he's just
sort of outside of that realm and.
I think the part I thought was funny, was he taking a piss or
did he get the shits behind a tree?
One of the two. But I was like, what's happening
in this show? Yeah.
Yeah, that. Definitely.
Yeah, the dude. Just like it's just like games
where like I had somebody tell me I watch the boys.
I watch. I finished it up and somebody's
like, OK, but what did they say? The exact words were let me,
I'll get this right, the end of the boys.
Is enough front. And an insult to me as a watcher
or whatever. And I was like, OK, listen,
maybe. I need to be insulted more.
But I was like, it was a show. It ended and it wasn't great.
That's it. I haven't seen the finale.
Yet did you? Yeah.
Yeah, I was just. You didn't like the ending.
It wasn't too much. It wasn't great, but it was.
Like, right. To put that much weight on it
and be like, it was an affront and I was offended and I was
like, wow. But was it like to the level of?
Game of Thrones final season like it was as bad I would say.
OK, so if. You look at game.
Of Thrones final season and you look at the Boys final episode.
The final season had some really fun parts in the Boys.
It just wasn't put together as they weren't the level wasn't
there where Game of Thrones the last season is like right pretty
much all over the. Place is but then you get like
lost where people are. Like Oh my God, lost sending is
the worst thing ever and I watched and I was like what are
you talking about? Like that was I rewatched it a
year. Ago and finished it up that was
there's only like 3. Ways to?
Finish that show. So it was like that was sort of
doable. I would say this is definitely
worse than lost. Its prop, its its ending is just
sort of like, oh, that wasn't as good as I thought.
But to get there, I still am not going to go back and neuter the
rest of it and say, oh, I hated everything and it was an
affront. I to be insulted.
I have to be insulted like a showcase because this is the end
of the show. Right.
Isn't it? Well, yeah.
And then they have their. Spin off Jensen, Echols and and
the supernatural guys I mean. I I.
Think it's just they have to wrap it up now.
It's at that point where you know, we, we've.
Seen so much of. It with, we've iterated through
all of these characters so much we really need to wrap it up.
So I will tell you once you watch, even if it's not, we'll
talk about it. I do.
Think yeah, I could. I think that if you know how,
yes, men, we were talking about that.
I think maybe the boys could have done with one or two Steves
in the room, Yeah. Hey, guys.
And dude, I'm not joking. When?
I say this, I actually do believe this should be a I'm not
joking at all. This is a true belief of mine
that if I was a showrunner, I think I would do that.
As in dragging some people that I know disagree and it sucks.
I know that, but and and have them sort of piece up the ending
so that I have to defend it because I actually believe you
could have had somebody. There's only a couple things you
could have fixed and had it actually have been probably the
best episode of the last season, which isn't saying much because
it's not the greatest season. But had it been, there was only
a couple things. And I've heard this thing said.
I'm not going to say what it is because I don't want to spoil it
where people like why did this thing happen here and blank
that. I feel has.
Been brought up by. Enough people that that would
have been something somebody would have seen or heard and
been like, wait a minute, if this is the end, maybe.
We should. But I think there's a nihilism
that I've seen, and Battlestar Galactica had this ending that
people said the same thing. They were like, why did it do
this? And I'm like, well, it wasn't
that bad. But I do also agree that there's
a nihilistic view in The Boys. And if you look at Battlestar
Galactica, the cyclic nature, there's a cyclic nature in The
Boys. And it's like, oh, maybe the
showrunner becomes a bit nihilistic.
And it's sort of deep into that nihilism of like, we can't end
with like this. This sort of happy.
Go Lucky thing and Stranger Things got brought up for this.
Stranger Things last episode. I was OK with it.
I think there was one or two things that they could have done
to make that the best episode. And I feel like all these we're
talking about, there's like 3, there's one thing per each one
of these episodes that if you had changed it, instead of
saying, oh man, people would have been like, that's the best
episode of the season, not the best episode of the show.
But I think you could have done that with the boys.
I think you could have done it with Battlestar.
With Battlestar in particular, there's only two things where
I'm like, that's weird that they didn't do that because it feels
like it just makes sense. But yeah, well, I, I can't wait.
I can't wait for you to see it because Supernatural I think
ended really well and some people had some issues with that
too. And I actually think
Supernatural ended in one of the only ways it probably probably
with 15. Seasons.
Very curious. Yourself into a hole to get
there. Some some.
I think you'll be fine with it some point.
I think you'll be fine with it anyway.
We're going to wrap this up with you streaming this weekend.
Cool. So I'm playing some Forza and
League of Legends this weekend on the stream.
I also did a video today about Subnautica 2 if people want to
hear more of my thoughts. I got that on my on my channel
as well on like. Just your overall the the.
Gaming. Yeah, if you search Johnny Plays
Live, it's like I call them spotlights.
So they're not full on reviews, but they are kind of a spotlight
to the game. What are the cool parts of it?
That spoke to me why I want to talk about the game.
That's smart. Yeah, so people check.
That out Johnny plays live on YouTube and I'm going to be
streaming Valorant. That would be a shocker dude if.
I see you tomorrow boot up like YouTube stream playing Valorant
Wow, now we've thought about. Doing a couple streams.
But. It's just too much.
I mean, there's. Like especially right now where
I live, there's always an interruption.
There's a dog. Nobody else is bothered by this.
I watched a stream from somebody who I really like and they had
like a dog bark, a mailman come. But I'm always stressed about
that. Like, like if I'm sitting here,
I want to be sitting here. But yeah, there's been a couple
times I've started streaming it. I would, if I, if I do, I'll
stream something nobody expects. It'd be like Valorant or it'd be
like, yeah, League of League. Of Legends OH division.
Two, I would love to, I mean, you know, 'cause that's just
having fun. The League of Legends, something
that I people know I'm streaming like NBA2K.
That'll be it for us. I want to say thanks.
To Johnny, as always, thanks you guys.
Silver will be back next week. He was out last week and we
usually just always have him alternating.
So he'll be back next week unless something else happens.
He had a family issue. You'll be able to see some
videos from me next week. It's sort of a tight week
waiting on some. Waiting on some.
Code, but that'll be it for us. Thank you everybody for showing
up, hanging out with us. We hope you have a excellent
weekend. Enjoy whatever you're playing,
watching, listening to, driving, painting, massaging.
What? What?
It doesn't have to be SUS, you know you're.
Just sculpting maybe, but I. Don't know about massaging.
Anyway, that'll be let's go with that.
Thank everybody. Peace out.
Massaging. What the fuck?
I didn't expect that.