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Right, Angus, we've all got 
drums in front of us. 

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Yep. 
You know what to do. 

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Clap us in. 
Welcome to the Whiskey Stories 

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podcast. 
This is. 

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Actually my first time 
introducing Abaragi inaugural in

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a tasting. 
And so this is really, really 

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exciting for me. 
Distillers, butlers and Blenders

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for the last 2 1/2 years with 
the with the company, I've been 

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talking a lot about bottlers and
blenders elements of business 

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and now we finally get to talk 
about the distillers part. 

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Absolutely and moving on. 
Moving on from sibling bullying 

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and burning hospitals. 
Cherished memories. 

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Whack along the whiskey stories.
Blender, Bottler, Distiller, 

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Spotlight. 
I'm the rightful Angus. 

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Yep. 
And what you did and one take as

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well there. 
We are. 

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We're getting good at. 
This absolute bro. 

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We're getting good. 
We've done it again, I guess. 

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We've managed to convince people
to come along to a pub, we've 

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managed to convince a brand to 
bring some drams and we've 

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managed to get Chuck here on 
time. 

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Just about, yeah. 
Why are you Chuck? 

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I'm all right, man. 
I saw your brother downstairs 

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and he serenaded me in song 
about Conway Harvested. 

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I told him to do that. 
Second year in high school. 

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Yeah, there you go. 
So, yeah, but we are aren't the 

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first. 
That's a real end joke. 

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That is a real, I think three 
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will probably get that. 
But anyway, we are, we're in 

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Diggers Leaf, the new Diggers 
Leaf. 

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That's fantastic. 
We've got some drams and we are 

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joined by Tam Cuthbert, who is 
What's your official title term?

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UK sales manager UK sales 
manager Morrison. 

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Scotch whiskey distillers, 
Morrison Scotch whiskey 

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distillers, and tonight you're 
taking us through. 

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This is why tonight we're not 
just calling it an indie bottler

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Spotlight because we're getting 
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we're getting a blend from Old 
Perth and we're also getting now

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Mctalla. 
Is that a single malt as well? 

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Yes, a single malt from Mctalla,
but also the inaugural release 

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of the Aberdagy Distillery. 
Brilliant. 

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Well done. 
You guys are good at this, 

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right? 
We're not going to wait too long

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before we get into the drums 
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It's just gone. 7:00. 
Talk us through the 1st ram that

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we've got in front of us. 
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Absolutely. 
So the first Ram in front of you

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is the forward DRAM and it's 
from I guess our potentially our

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best known brand within the 
portfolio and our most 

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traditional independent bottling
or bottler style. 

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So this is from Carmore. 
This is a liquid so a distillery

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that probably people are 
familiar with from independent 

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bottlings across various brands.
This particular 1 is a 2017 

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vintage. 
It is being finished or double 

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matured. 
I'm happy to argue either way. 

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In Tokai. 
So sweet Hungarian wine, 2017 

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vintage, bottled this year. 8 
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It's been in Tokai for quite a 
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Been in Tokai for sort of 
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Single cask, 228 bottles, yeah. 
51.2% so I think it's got quite 

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a lot of that kind of sweet wine
wood influence I would say. 

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Well, Sanjar, cheers. 
Weekend DRAM roll calls now 

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open. 
That's it, we're on. 

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So Angus, last time we were 
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recording with a gentleman who's
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And actually it's the first time
I've been in this room recording

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and I can actually see them 
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We were. 
We say hunt. 

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And it was a liquid that Fraser 
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Was yeah, we talked, we talked 
very highly about liquid. 

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Yeah, because it was. 
It's a drum that I've been 

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guilty of just leaving aside. 
Well, this is right. 

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Because it's so readily 
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It's it's well known as in the 
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series, but also it's been 
bottled by independent. 

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So many independent hawkers have
done so many different things, 

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but I'm not sure I've ever had 
it in Takai. 

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that Fraser talked about or. 
Takaji as I used to call. 

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It Fraser talked about the fact 
that the the the the liquid that

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comes out of liquid distillery 
can be so easily lent to so many

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different finishes. 
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Tam, then when you when you do 
have a a brand like car and more

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and you get a lot of access to 
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you have something like a 
Linkwood to especially with a 

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different type of double 
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finish like this? 
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listen to what what Fraser was 
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it's totally true that if you 
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consistent and consistently 
really good kind of works in 

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anything, kind of works in 
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various different tasks for us 
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sell a lot of it behind the bar.
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says car more on the label, it's
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it's always high quality drams. 
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And in terms of inventory, so on
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got kind of about 35,000 casks. 
So it's about selection of when 

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things are ready and the style 
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bottle at any particular time. 
So that so just go sorry 2 

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seconds, that's 35,000 casks 
that are filled with different. 

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So that covers car more 
Aberraggie, Old Perth and 

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Mctalla, right. 
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wouldn't know the exact split. 
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there because we've been 
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talking about a decent scale. 
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be the biggest of 1,000,000 and 
1,000,000, but it's, it's enough

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to select what we want to bottle
at a particular time when it's 

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ready and in various different 
styles that we want that we want

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to do. 
I think CAR more as a brand, and

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we'd say this before I worked 
for the company, just puts 

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really, really good whiskey in a
bottle. 

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Yeah. 
Sometimes distilleries that you 

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might know that are a cool 
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or sometimes ones that you might
not know in a funky wood finish 

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or straight down the middle. 
Like we did a Klein Leash last 

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year, 11 years, 11 years old in 
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yeah, absolutely perfect. 
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like the the Linkwood and Tokai,
which is nice and fruity. 

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Nice way to start. 
I would say like a really pretty

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easygoing drum. 
Chuck Linquid then talk us 

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through what your thoughts on 
Linquid is. 

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I mean, I think it's kind of 
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Great liquids predominantly used
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very versatile in cast 
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This would be the second Linquid
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The only other one I could think
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I think it was 12 years full 
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I think this is great. 
Like, clearly enough spirit to 

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hold up to like the sweetness 
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dessert wine. 
You've terrified me, Chuck, 

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because I think I might have had
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and I said I'd never had this 
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So there you go. 
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hadn't said. 
Anything. 

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I thought I'd just made my own 

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but I think. 
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last week or two weeks ago on 
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We were saying about how, you 
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size of a discovery that it is 
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And like what Fraser talked 
about was the fact that, you 

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know, there's so much Linkwood 
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I just get hoarded by Diagio for
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But a company like Diagio could 
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it out to, you could put a 12, a
15 and 18, a 21 on the 

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marketplace. 
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market and with everything that 
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probably fill shelves and 
probably put it all around the 

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world, like probably a lot of 
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releases. 
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limited makes it a little bit 
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A lot of time depending what's 
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For the other product. 
You're absolutely blend. 

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It's so good. 
It goes into blend. 

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And that's it. 
It's always an interesting 

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choice for these foreign fauna 
ones that they do put out that 

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one expression and that's how 
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And then obviously through 
independent Bottlene. 

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So you can, you've got that 
ability to play with it. 

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Yeah. 
And you want as as an 

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independent baller, you want 
something that can be versatile,

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right? 
You want something that can 

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lend, lend the spirit to various
wood types, various kind of, 

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yeah, different styles of 
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cast, like everything really. 
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going to going to be able to 
stand up there. 

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And that's quite interesting 
because that's probably 

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something we've not maybe 
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about a consistent product. 
That's something that, you know,

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the big distillery, the big 
companies are looking for in 

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terms of blending, but also it's
something that the independent 

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bottle absolutely clearly 
looking forward to looking for 

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because you're not wanting an 
inconsistent product or a some, 

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you know, this is a do you know 
what I mean? 

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Yeah, no, absolutely. 
I think like across across the 

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industry, apart from single 
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consistency. 
You want something that people 

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can come back to and pick up and
become a fan of. 

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Like I, I love single cask 
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the next person, but you don't 
want to have to hang on to that 

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much liquid because that's all 
you're ever going to have again.

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Like you want to have or you 
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stuff, but also have your, your 
daily drinkers and be able to 

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say, this is what I enjoy 
drinking and I can finish a 

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bottle and pick it up and, and 
kind of have. 

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And that's where the big brands 
have, have done so well. 

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You know what Glenfaric 12 
tastes like? 

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You know what Johnny Walker 
Black tastes like because it's 

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the same and consistent all 
over, all over the world. 

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So talk, talk me through your 
car and more as a brand then, 

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because I'll be honest, you 
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I mean, we probably the majority
of people in this room, we see a

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lot of independent bottlers all 
over the place. 

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And there's the big ones that 
kind of people stick out to, you

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know, you get your Thompson 
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and all these kind of things. 
But car and Moore's up there as 

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well. 
But at the same time, is it 

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where, where does car and Moore 
sell best? 

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Is it on on trade? 
Is it people that are buying up?

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I mean, as soon as you put a 
lease out, do people just snap? 

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Because when it's an independent
bottler, you've only got 200 or 

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300 bottles, sometimes less. 
Or is it international markets 

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as well? 
But both to be honest, like it's

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funny because like kind of 10 
years ago you would say maybe 

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car more G&M couple other like 
big independent bottlers. 

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But now that pie is the same 
size, but there's lots more 

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independent bottlers with with 
similar ish liquid. 

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But we sell a lot through 
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We don't do very much with the 
on trades, just a time 

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management thing for for for me 
and us. 

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We want to do more of course. 
And we're looking to put out 

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some really, really like really 
high quality, just different, 

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different stuff. 
Like we did a Ben Nevis in a 

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Klein leash last year. 
We've done a Kriegelke and Fino 

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along with this one, which you 
have the chance to try as as 

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funky like. 
I'd be interested to know what 

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people think of it. 
I think this is more of a just a

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really, really well put together
DRAM. 

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So something that I think 
everyone's going to enjoy and a 

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nice way to start. 
I think if you put various other

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drams in there, you know we're 
going to have six drams. 

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So, but how, how, how old is the
Carnmore brand then? 

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How long has that been going? 
About 10 years maybe just just 

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over that. 
It's gone through a couple of 

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rebrands in in that time as 
well. 

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It didn't always look like this.
This, this label in particular 

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is is a new addition to us. 
So we've taken our printing in 

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house. 
So now we do all all of this 

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sort of printing. 
But that's interesting. 

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So it's only really been going 
as long as the distillery has 

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been going. 
Yeah, more or less. 

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Yeah. 
So I mean, when you talk about 

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the casts that are at your home 
distillery, that's always been 

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the case that that you know that
the home of car and more 

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effectively is the yeah, 
Abaragi. 

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Distillery, and I like what we 
found out from it, was Carl 

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Crafts came on and talked about 
Arden Merkin and of course 

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Adelphi, the independent 
bottlers who are part are the 

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owners of Arden Merkin 
Distillery. 

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And one of the things that you 
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lot easier when you have liquid 
coming out of spills, where what

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you can do is instead of 
purchasing casks, you could be 

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trading casks for liquid. 
So yeah, it's doesn't, you don't

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have to have that cask, that 
cask cash transaction and also 

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be chasing whether you can 
actually start having a bit of 

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power where you could be going 
to people and saying. 

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So I'm assuming something like 
that might have been going on as

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well. 
As well for you guys with using 

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Talk Outcast first fills for 
Linkwoods and stuff like that 

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then that can then be utilised 
for the distillery. 

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Yeah, I mean our warehouses are 
full of every, every wood type 

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that you could, you could think 
of really. 

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And some of that I'll see, we'll
see in in our official 

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bottlings, some, some you won't.
But in terms of procurement, so 

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we're a family owned business. 
We're owned by the Morrison 

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family and they've got kind of 
five generations of of whiskey 

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history, I guess. 
And that's procurement, 

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distilling, bottling, blending. 
And certainly before Abirargie, 

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we, we still had a skin in the 
game in terms of procurement of 

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whiskey. 
So it was like we're as a family

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business, we were still buying 
and selling whiskey. 

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So the inventory for car more 
didn't necessarily start. 

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With the distilleries. 
Yes, in terms of in terms of 

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buying and selling whiskey. 
And like we've like we've heard,

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unreliable. 
Failed relationships. 

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Yeah. 
Yeah, absolutely. 

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So what we think, has anyone 
added water? 

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Yeah, No. 
What? 

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What we think with water is it? 
Yeah, I think I don't want to 

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start off with task strength. 
No. 

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No. 
Fair. 

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Yeah. 
I thought you told us you start 

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at 3:00 this afternoon. 
But yeah, because I mean, what 

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was what percentage did you say 
this was setting up for? 

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51. 51 So I mean, it's not yeah,
mega punchy for a but at the 

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same time, like you say, it's 
the first DRAM. 

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And yeah, I'd be interested to 
make try a wee drop of water, 

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especially after this week's 
conversation with Gregor Kurt in

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the corner there about that. 
The the what? 

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The addition of water to what? 
What can do to drams as well? 

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I've done what I tend to do at a
whiskey tasting and just 

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absolutely tan the first drama. 
Any consideration to water at 

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all? 
That's a good, that's a good, 

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that's a good endorsement for. 
It Yeah. 

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But tell me Tam about your like 
your role then, because, you 

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know, pounding the streets and 
knocking on the doors and 

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getting these things sold. 
You've even mentioned the fact 

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that it must be a tricky balance
to have because you're talking 

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about you know when you've got 
how many bottles or how many 

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releases will go in and out 
turn. 

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For example, you bring out six 
at the same time or or it'll 

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just be as and when it. 
Really varies. 

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So we'll probably like, on an 
average year, do 4 car more 

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releases and they could vary 
from 2 drams to six drams. 

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And then we'll also sprinkle in 
a couple of our kind of more 

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premium stuff, which is 
celebration of the cast. 

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So that'll be kind of single 
cast 20 years plus. 

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And then we've also got the 
option to do a family reserve. 

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So that's the kind of top, top 
level of probably like Glengira 

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or Contosion or Bulmore from the
family days. 

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And then with like the likes of 
Mctalla, we'll do a couple of 

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releases as well and old Perth 
likewise. 

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And yeah, so the so the day's 
busy. 

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Yeah. 
I mean, because that's it. 

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And then like you said as well 
about the fact that when you do 

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bring out these releases, if 
there's only two or three 

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hundred or something less than 
200 bottles at all, how, how, 

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what, how small and out town 
you'd look at doing. 

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But at the same time, from your 
perspective, perhaps spread that

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across all these different 
places because there'll be 

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retailers you'll probably know 
that you could sell. 

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I bought like one run of this 
200 odd bottles through just the

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retail connections that you. 
Have in your game. 

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Which then means that people 
like us can't go into the 

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diggers and see it on on the 
back bar. 

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It's a relationship game as 
well. 

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Like it's like who who supports 
other other parts of our 

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business, Who do we want to be 
seen doing business with? 

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And also like getting it as as 
far and wide as possible is a 

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big thing for us as well because
you can get quite Scotland 

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centric or you can get quite 
even Edinburgh centric. 

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But you want to have it you know
as as far as possible. 

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And across the UK then, yeah, 
yeah, sorry. 

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Like so how far and wide does 
does the brand go? 

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There, so we do, we do a bit of 
work in London with the likes of

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Three Greek St., formerly 
Milroy's, with the Whisky 

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Exchange as well and. 
Hello London. 

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Just what I say, Our biggest 
audience, our biggest audience 

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is now officially in London. 
So everyone 123. 

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Hello, London. 
So, so my eyes. 

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So Melrose is now 3 Reed 
straight, Yes. 

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
I mean it's a very, it's had a 

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refurb, right. 
So the bars now on the other 

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side if you were ever in it 
before. 

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But that's how you do a refurb. 
Put the bar now. 

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Yeah, but it's a better use of 
space to be fair to them. 

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And they are are a really nice 
partner of ours. 

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They're a Metalla lighthouse, 
which we'll cover later. 

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So we work pretty closely with 
them on on pouring drams and and

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also and also selling bottles as
well because there are quite a 

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unique place where they have 
there a bar and also a retail 

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facility as well. 
Superb. 

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What's everyone's thoughts on 
the DRAM so far? 

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Anyone got any wanky tasting 
notes that they want to divulge 

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or get out? 
Anyone want me to come along? 

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I'll put the glasses on and I'll
truck a mic under your nose. 

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Is everyone ready for that yet? 
No. 

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OK, right A. 
Couple people shaking their 

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head, Graham. 
Scared of me just now, right? 

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Well, what we'll do is because 
actually one of the one of the 

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great tips again, Gregor in the 
corner they gave us was I liked 

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it. 
Unlike Angus, who's very greedy 

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when it comes to pouring whiskey
and also drinking his drams. 

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I like to leave a little bit so 
you can come back so that you 

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can you can check that so. 
But you've only got 2. 

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Glasses so don't we do your eyes
so don't leave too much. 

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You've only got 2 glasses. 
But we will move on to the next 

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DRAM then Tam. 
So this is the exciting one for 

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me. 
What are we? 

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What are What's in our second 
glass? 

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Yeah, I mean, this is it's a 
long time in the making. 

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This is my first. 
This is actually my first time 

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introducing Abragi inaugural in 
a tasting. 

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So this is really, really 
exciting for me. 

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Distillers, butlers and 
blenders. 

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For the last 2 1/2 years with 
the with the company, I've been 

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talking a lot about bottlers and
blenders element of the 

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business. 
And now we finally get to talk 

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about the, the distillers part 
and we have a distillery. 

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We began distilling in 2017. 
We built a distillery sort of 

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the year before. 
We're on a farm. 

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We're a farm distillery. 
We sit on 300 acres just South 

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of Perth just along the road 
from, from Bridge of Earn. 

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We grow barley and we make 
whiskey. 

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And that's quite, a, quite a 
simple, simple approach to it. 

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I guess the, the key part of, of
Abirargi is being sympathetic to

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our surroundings, sympathetic to
our landscape. 

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So in the fields we grow 
specifically Golden Promise 

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variety of barley. 
Great, great variety. 

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Which if if anyone's had the 
chance to try anything Golden 

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Promise related, it's makes a 
really, really for me, texture 

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and structure are big things in 
whiskey and that is what Golden 

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Promise does. 
It really, really elevates it. 

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We support that with barley from
other Morrison owned farms in 

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Scotland. 
So we grow Laureate, a more 

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commercial strain or a more kind
of modern strain of barley. 

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Golden Promise is inefficient in
the field, it's susceptible to 

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disease and yeah, it's just a 
bit of a nightmare to work with.

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Joe. 
Yeah. 

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Shite yields. 
Shite yields and it's tough to 

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work through your distillery as 
well. 

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It is a little bit kind of 
volatile I guess and, and can 

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clog up your, your systems a 
little bit. 

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However, we, we feel it's, it's 
worth it. 

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So what we do at Aberraggy and 
what we've been doing since 2017

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is that we produce 2 new make 
spirits. 

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So we distill lock laureate 
barley in the exact same 

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fashion. 
And then we distill Golden 

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Promise for a period. 
So that may be 3 months, three 

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months, three months, three 
months. 

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We mature them independently. 
We fill them into exclusively, 

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first of all bourbon and first 
of all Sherry casks and 2026 we 

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have 4, all four of those 
elements in a bottle. 

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So we have 52% Golden Promise 
spirit, 48% Laureate Spirit, 50%

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Firstfill bourbon, 50% Firstfill
Sherry. 

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For me, it's it's just got, it 
feels like a complete 

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representation of of the spirit 
that we want to provide the 

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mouthfeel texture. 
Yeah, 48.2% was our bottling 

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strength. 
This is our first ever ever 

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release, as I say, inaugural, 
but it should be a really nice 

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representation of where we feel 
our whiskey, why it's made like 

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this. 
You should be able to taste that

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in terms of in terms of 
structure. 

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And yeah, we're delighted to 
share it. 

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Well, Sandra Martin cheers here.
Inaugural whiskey, inaugural 

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tasting. 
Diggers Leaf. 

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Laurie, it seems quite old 
school barley variety as well. 

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Yeah, it's very like early 
2000s. 

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Yeah, but this is interesting 
because you were saying it was a

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modern variety and clearly, 
clearly John doesn't think it is

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at all. 
Well. 

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I'm just going, I'm just looking
from a producing perspective, 

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right? 
I remember I speak to my old man

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about it and he was like fucking
hate grown it. 

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Like. 
Heavy rains, it would just 

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flatten yields were bad. 
But then also after every every 

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year, when you keep on growing 
the same barley varietal you're 

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more likely to get infested by, 
you're more likely for your crop

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to get infected. 
Just because of having it the 

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prior year, just because 
encouraging. 

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Stuff get more accustomed to it 
and pesticides don't work as 

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well if they're heavily used. 
So you are it's it becomes 

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harder and harder to produce 
over time. 

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Yeah. 
And you may be getting. 

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Smaller, I guess, and, and 
that's something that's really 

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interesting 'cause I'm right to 
say I'm you may, I may be 

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repeating what you just said, 
but your barley only comes from 

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about two or three different 
farms. 

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Is that right? 
Exactly. 

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Exactly. 
All based in the same. 

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Area or are they all? 
No one in Aberdeenshire, one in 

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Ayrshire and E Lothian as well. 
So and. 

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And your, your farm is, it's in 
Perthshire, isn't it? 

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It's just outside. 
Five. 

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Yes, exactly. 
And there's No 5 barley in here,

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Graham. 
No, no, you can keep that, but I

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guess, I guess from a kind. 
Of tail, but it's very close to 

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being 5 barley. 
It's very close, but from a, 

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from a farming and agricultural 
point of view. 

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So our operations director, who 
also is our whiskey blender, 

450
00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:23,720
he's, he's a farmer by, by 
family and regenerative farming 

451
00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:26,040
is, is a big part of what we, we
try and do. 

452
00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:30,240
So like we in the winter, we'll 
plant cover crops like turnips 

453
00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:34,400
and, and various other things. 
We get the sheep in, they graze 

454
00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:37,320
on them. 
They do what sheep do. 

455
00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:39,880
And then that gets some nitrogen
into the soil. 

456
00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:43,360
So trying to kind of look after 
the land it, it should reduce 

457
00:22:43,360 --> 00:22:46,560
the need for, for pesticides and
that sort of thing. 

458
00:22:47,120 --> 00:22:49,640
But just trying to look after, 
look after the land it, it 

459
00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:52,840
really is making whiskey and 
making booze is an extension of 

460
00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:53,600
farming. 
Really. 

461
00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:55,960
It's how to keep your crops from
going bad. 

462
00:22:57,240 --> 00:23:00,360
But no, we're, we're and in 
terms of what we do on site. 

463
00:23:00,360 --> 00:23:03,480
So we grow the golden promise 
barley right in front of the 

464
00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:06,880
still house and, and on the 
surrounding 300 acres. 

465
00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:11,280
We then send our malt down to 
Simpsons who malt it for us to 

466
00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:12,680
our specifications. 
Bring it back. 

467
00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:16,000
We distill, we mature and we 
bottle everything on site. 

468
00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:19,240
And so we've currently got 2 
warehouses, as I say about 

469
00:23:19,360 --> 00:23:23,200
35,000 cash capacity and they're
almost full. 

470
00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:28,520
So yeah, we need to either sell 
some more or but no. 

471
00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:30,400
Or build some more in. 
Terms, yeah. 

472
00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:33,080
But in terms of like we want to,
we want to have control. 

473
00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:38,000
So we want to say we can trace 
provenance of barley, of the 

474
00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:40,920
distillation, the every, every 
kind of element of it. 

475
00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:44,560
We want to we want to have some 
element of control and going 

476
00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:46,520
into the maturation side of 
things. 

477
00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:51,600
So we work direct with the guys 
over in the States to for our 

478
00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:55,040
for our woods. 
So we buy direct bourbon 

479
00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:56,840
barrels. 
We request that they are 

480
00:23:56,840 --> 00:23:59,360
unrinsed, unsteamed and shipped 
home. 

481
00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:03,280
So in terms of that provenance 
as well, it's like we want to 

482
00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:06,120
have the almost like the the 
best ingredients I guess. 

483
00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:10,120
And similarly over in Spain with
with the guys over there, we 

484
00:24:10,120 --> 00:24:13,440
work direct and we and we ship 
all our cash hole And this is 

485
00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:18,000
all this is exclusively first 
fill and but I guess the top 

486
00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:21,280
line of Abargi is two different 
barley varieties probably cash, 

487
00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:22,920
Sherry cash. 
Yeah, Because you mentioned 

488
00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:25,680
everything is currently being 
filled into first fill. 

489
00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:28,240
Is that right? 
Is that something you'll be able

490
00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:30,480
to sustain? 
Is that because you can then use

491
00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:32,720
the casts and your other 
company? 

492
00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:36,720
You know your other products? 
So now we have Abargi refill 

493
00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:38,800
woods. 
So now, now that we've bottled 

494
00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:43,440
some, we can start that process 
of, of it being full Abra. 

495
00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:45,280
You're yeah. 
It's a case of starting with 

496
00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:47,600
first fill and then the refills 
come down exactly. 

497
00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:50,800
Yeah, because I mean we will 
talk about it's a non age 

498
00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:53,840
statement, right. 
But at the same time, we know 

499
00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:56,160
from what you've been just been,
you know, if you're, if you're 

500
00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:59,480
good at maths, you'll know that.
You don't have to be that good 

501
00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:01,760
at. 
Well, you don't, you don't have 

502
00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:04,560
to be that good at, but if you 
are, you'll know that you'll 

503
00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:07,040
know that this probably isn't 
just three-year old liquid 

504
00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:08,760
that's been that's been that's 
been put out. 

505
00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:11,560
There'll be a mix I'm I'm sure. 
But at the same time, there'll 

506
00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:14,640
be some liquid that's probably 
come from from some of the first

507
00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:18,240
installation potentially. 
Yeah, I mean, if we weren't 

508
00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:20,360
recording Atkins. 
Yeah. 

509
00:25:20,360 --> 00:25:22,680
We could talk about that after 
the recording, but but my point 

510
00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:25,240
being is that it's not like what
we know is that just keeping. 

511
00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:28,400
The specs already mentioned. 
No basic. 

512
00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:31,200
Basically. 
I'm extremely happy to share 

513
00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:35,280
what in terms of makeup is in 
this portal but not. 

514
00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:38,360
To go, yeah, I know, of course. 
But what I'm what I'm basically 

515
00:25:38,360 --> 00:25:40,560
saying is that what we know is 
that the distillery has been 

516
00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:42,480
producing spirit for longer than
three years. 

517
00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:44,080
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
So what we know is that this 

518
00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:47,080
isn't predominantly 3 year old, 
I don't know, I don't know, you 

519
00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:49,040
know 3. 
So how what I'm wanting to ask 

520
00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:50,760
from your point there, how long 
have you been working with the 

521
00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:53,560
business for? 
2 1/2 years. 

522
00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:55,320
Right. 
So how, how often? 

523
00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:58,600
I mean, I suppose it'll be 
acknowledge to a lot of people 

524
00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:00,960
that you guys have been building
a distillery and then 

525
00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:02,600
distilling. 
And so how many times when 

526
00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:04,040
you're having these 
conversations are you getting 

527
00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:05,920
people? 
Have you had people asking you 

528
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:07,640
when are we going to start 
seeing single malt? 

529
00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:08,600
Yeah. 
Absolutely. 

530
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:11,960
I mean, it's it's one of them 
that we've been pretty quiet 

531
00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:12,600
about it. 
Yeah. 

532
00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:16,520
And very deliberate on that 
front because we want we wanted 

533
00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:20,000
to time it so that you're not 
having too big of a like it's 

534
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:21,400
coming, it's coming, it's 
coming, it's coming, it's 

535
00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:23,120
coming. 
And then ten years later or, you

536
00:26:23,120 --> 00:26:25,600
know, however long later. 
So we only really started 

537
00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:28,120
talking about Aberraggy at 
London Whiskey show last year 

538
00:26:28,120 --> 00:26:31,240
where we showcased our two new 
make spirits, an expression of 

539
00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:33,120
Aberraggy and first of all 
bourbon, an expression of 

540
00:26:33,120 --> 00:26:34,400
Aberraggy and first of all 
Sherry. 

541
00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:38,280
But prior to that, it was more 
kind of like my customers that 

542
00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:42,720
were like when Zabaragi coming 
and it was the answer was when 

543
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:45,640
it's ready and we weren't aiming
for a specific vintage. 

544
00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:49,560
We weren't aiming for an age 
very much when we feel it's 

545
00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:54,520
ready to go. 
And that was a kind of keeping 

546
00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:57,240
an eye on the spirit as it as it
were, and really saying, yeah, 

547
00:26:57,280 --> 00:27:00,120
we this is where this is the 
time to time to put it out. 

548
00:27:00,120 --> 00:27:02,800
That's presumably it's all 
completely unpeted malt. 

549
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:05,880
Is there any peeted in any of 
your barley? 

550
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:08,320
Is that peeted, I told you, do a
peeted run or is it just all 

551
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:11,200
completely unpeted, you know? 
It's. 

552
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:13,720
I just always want to ask the 
question. 

553
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:18,120
Mostly unpeted, mostly unpeted, 
No, The thing is like so. 

554
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:22,280
So I guess in terms of Abaragi, 
these are for the four takeaways

555
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:26,000
and this is our first kind of 
showcased it to everyone. 

556
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:27,760
And we want to know that. 
We want people to know that we 

557
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:30,240
are about these four elements of
first of all, bourbon or bourbon

558
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:32,920
Sherry, two different types of 
of barley variety. 

559
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:36,280
Of course we have 
experimentation across the board

560
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:38,920
of everything you can think of. 
That's the benefit of having 

561
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:42,080
your own distillery where you 
can say, yeah, well, let's, 

562
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:44,520
let's see how that reacts or, or
works. 

563
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:47,560
And you know, in 20 years time 
or in 10 years time, you might 

564
00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:49,080
see something a little 
different. 

565
00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:51,560
But in terms of inaugural 
release, you want to have a 

566
00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:55,520
really strong house, house style
or what you're what you want to 

567
00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:56,640
be known for. 
You don't really want to muddy 

568
00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:59,960
the waters with sure, this or 
that or, or something different,

569
00:27:59,960 --> 00:28:01,360
even though it might be 
exceptional. 

570
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:05,920
But it's it's about showcasing 
what we will be known for. 

571
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:07,120
Yeah. 
And and so when you're talking 

572
00:28:07,120 --> 00:28:11,120
about like, not, you know, the 
whiskey will not go out until 

573
00:28:11,120 --> 00:28:14,560
it's absolutely ready, was that 
I mean, you start, you do have 

574
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:18,440
to plan for these things. 
Like, you know, I think there 

575
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:21,320
are people in the room who have 
been part of production and 

576
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:24,080
distilling and putting out 
bottles and stuff like that. 

577
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:26,640
And you'll know from yourself as
well, from your background in 

578
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:29,520
sales, you've got to make sure 
everyone is ready for it to come

579
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:31,760
out, albeit not be screaming and
shouting saying we're going to 

580
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:33,920
release this at 10 or so. 
Everyone's counting down the 

581
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:36,880
days, but whatever. 
But it does take a wee while to 

582
00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:40,360
to get bottles ordered to get 
all this stuff ready, bottles, 

583
00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:44,160
labels, etcetera, etcetera. 
But how long from do you did you

584
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:48,800
know that this was coming out? 
At this point, probably this 

585
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:53,400
time last year right, if not 
slightly before, it was a case 

586
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:59,320
of working to get the the spirit
kind of makeup correct I guess. 

587
00:28:59,880 --> 00:29:02,880
And that took up a while of fine
tuning through different 

588
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:06,320
prototypes. 
And I was lucky to be kind of a 

589
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:09,960
little bit involved in that in 
terms of like getting to getting

590
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:12,920
to try some of the, the final 
samples and having having a 

591
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:15,440
little, little say in that. 
We're a small company. 

592
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:18,480
We're we're 16 people. 
Right, so that was that. 

593
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:21,320
Was the one next we're our, our 
sales and marketing team is, is 

594
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:23,400
five people including the 
managing director. 

595
00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:27,680
So it's, you know, I look after 
the UK, we have international 

596
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:30,880
sales Gen. and and two 2 brand 
managers. 

597
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:34,520
And so then are you, I mean, how
exciting is it from your job to 

598
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:36,920
go out and actually be selling a
single malt? 

599
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:40,200
So you're able to then chop on 
the doors of everybody, all the 

600
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:42,680
contacts that you've already 
got, all the people who are 

601
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:44,960
buying your car and more old 
pair from Metalla. 

602
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:47,080
And now you're able to actually 
phone these guys up over the 

603
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:49,320
last, well, over the last month,
I suppose. 

604
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:51,640
Just a couple of months. 
It's ready, Yeah. 

605
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:53,960
Get your, get your orders. 
I mean, it's amazing. 

606
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:57,120
It's, it's really not every day 
that a single malt distillery 

607
00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:02,760
launches its first product and, 
and to be involved in that as 

608
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:06,840
mega and to, and to really, and 
for it to be so well received. 

609
00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:08,680
I don't know what people are 
thinking about, about the drama 

610
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:12,760
itself, but it's, it's been 
extremely positively received in

611
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:15,120
terms of flavour profile, in 
terms of price point, in terms 

612
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:19,000
of branding, everything. 
And yeah, the, the whiskeys, 

613
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:20,960
we're, we're really proud of 
that. 

614
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:24,160
And how much is the bottle of 
that sort of 65 pounds, 65 lbs 

615
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:25,680
again? 
And like you said, there's a, 

616
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:28,560
there's an element of there'll 
be a lot of people who have 

617
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:32,080
bought that bottle, that, that 
bottle will remain unopened 

618
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:34,560
because there's plenty of people
who like to buy inaugural 

619
00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:36,560
releases and just keep hold of 
them and that's it. 

620
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:39,080
They'll, they'll either be a 
sentimentality or element of it,

621
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:41,320
but it'll always be an element 
of someone going, this might be 

622
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:43,720
worth about a Bob or two when, 
you know, in a few years time. 

623
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:45,240
But one of the other things that
we've talked about in the 

624
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:48,480
podcast a lot over the over the 
couple of years is, you know, 

625
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:51,720
with the how many new 
distilleries we're seeing 

626
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:54,560
opening up. 
It's a really exciting time as a

627
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:56,280
as a consumer, as we've 
mentioned so many things, but 

628
00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:58,920
it's like it's, it's a great 
thing where there is nobody 

629
00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:03,440
alive today that sat in a room 
like this trying go ahead and 

630
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:06,480
fit it or spring back or 
something good. 

631
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:09,880
You know what, I can't wait to 
try that when it's 12 or 15 

632
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:12,760
years old or anything like that.
You know, it's literally so when

633
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:16,200
we the age that we live in now 
where the new distilleries are 

634
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:18,320
opening and there's 
experimentation. 

635
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:20,920
And one of the things that is 
probably is really interesting 

636
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:22,840
with new distilleries, like what
what you were talking about 

637
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:26,000
earlier on is when you're a new 
distillery, we've we've spoken 

638
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:28,200
to the guys at Port Leith and 
we've got Arden Mark and there's

639
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:29,400
plenty of new distilleries we 
spoke to. 

640
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:32,000
The focus all has to be on 
production. 

641
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:36,320
It all has to be on yeasts or 
barley or anything like that. 

642
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:40,000
But I suppose that helps now 
that there's an age of whiskey 

643
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:42,960
geeks that's right there. 
People actually do get excited 

644
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:45,800
and barley varieties that are 
going in because that's the only

645
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:48,720
story you've really got to tell 
is such about the distillery, 

646
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:51,680
you know, about the 
sustainability, the farming, the

647
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:52,760
heritage of that. 
Yeah. 

648
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:55,320
You know, you don't have a 200 
year history to go well back in 

649
00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:57,400
this, you know, but that's what 
you're doing is you're making it

650
00:31:57,400 --> 00:31:59,280
interesting by adding those 
elements in. 

651
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:00,880
Yeah. 
And not with not with this 

652
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:04,320
specific distillery, but in 
terms of in terms of history, 

653
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:08,200
family, family histories is has 
helped big time with, with the 

654
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:10,600
Morrisons previously owning 
Bulmore and Glengarry and 

655
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:13,840
Alcantosham. 
But this is our first kind of 

656
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:18,680
showcase of a, of a new, new 
distillery like the other half 

657
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:21,120
of the Morrison family has 
Clayside distillery. 

658
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:24,200
But this is our, our side of the
Morrison. 

659
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:26,800
Morrison really nice. 
And I I'd like to ask another 

660
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:29,520
slightly cheeky question which 
you might not be able to answer,

661
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:34,840
but it's more. 
Well, we'll have another. 1. 

662
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:39,840
Let me ask Graham, you know. 
We can guess, you know. 

663
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:42,360
Well, it's more, it's more the 
question is what can we expect 

664
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:44,000
in the future? 
I mean, is there a core release 

665
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:45,880
coming? 
How long we have to wait for 

666
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:47,800
that? 
Or is that just yeah, wait and. 

667
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:51,040
See, no, there's a core release.
We want to get to a core range 

668
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:53,360
product, but we've not rushed 
anything yet. 

669
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:55,600
Sure. 
And we will. 

670
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:59,160
We'll have a core release, yeah,
in the future for sure. 

671
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:02,920
But we want to spend the next. 
So the inaugural release has 

672
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:05,360
been extremely popular and 
that's, that's great. 

673
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:08,320
But you really want to, we want 
to follow up with telling the 

674
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:12,080
story of, of everything that we 
do beyond one single bottle. 

675
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:16,760
So in the next 18 months or so, 
you'll see the the journey of 

676
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:19,040
Aberrargie towards a core range 
product. 

677
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:20,600
Brilliant. 
Well, thank you very much. 

678
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:23,160
What we'll do is we'll stop for 
a quick break, give us time to 

679
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:26,000
finish what's in our glasses, 
then refill it with the next two

680
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:27,160
drums. 
But thank you very much, Tam. 

681
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:28,520
That's absolutely fantastic. 
Cheers. 

682
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:34,960
All right, ladies and gentlemen,
already a rock'n'roll, right? 

683
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:36,360
Let's see if I can get this 
right again. 

684
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:39,280
Welcome back to the Whiskey 
Stories podcast, Winter Baller 

685
00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:41,240
Distiller with Morrison 
Distillers and *** Lead. 

686
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:49,760
You can tell you always know 
once you've had the 1st 2 dramas

687
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:54,280
out of these everyone just so 
this is, this is quite exciting 

688
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:56,880
Tam because you've we've now 
moved on. 

689
00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:59,760
So we've had the bottler 
element, we've had the distiller

690
00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:02,480
element and now we're on to the 
blinder element. 

691
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:05,320
So this is this is old Perth. 
Yeah, that's it. 

692
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:10,239
And so we, we wanted to cover 
all bases in our portfolio when,

693
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:15,679
when we began the distillery and
with our location with 

694
00:34:15,679 --> 00:34:18,560
Perthshire having such a rich 
history of, of blending, you 

695
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:21,400
know, back in the day from, from
grouse and Jews and, and various

696
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:22,239
others. 
Bells. 

697
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:23,199
And bells. 
Yeah. 

698
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:25,360
I mean, that's one. 
I always think it's anonymous. 

699
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:30,159
Yeah, I mean, so, so blending, 
blending whiskey in Perthshire 

700
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:33,360
goes goes way back. 
You OK in the back there? 

701
00:34:34,199 --> 00:34:43,159
Sorry, I just think we're only. 
We're only talking about a brand

702
00:34:43,199 --> 00:34:45,600
of blended whiskey right now. 
Yeah, yeah. 

703
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:50,800
Yeah, so we wanted to be 
blending in Perthshire and Old 

704
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:54,600
Perth is actually a brand that 
goes back to 19 O 8 started by 

705
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:59,000
the Thompson family grocers kind
of familiar story back from 120 

706
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:02,880
odd years ago. 
But Old Perth in its in its 

707
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:07,080
current form is a blended malt. 
So exclusively space side single

708
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:09,560
malts, exclusively mature and 
Sherry casks. 

709
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:13,760
And yeah, I mean, some of the 
liquid that we've put out as as 

710
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:17,120
Old Perth has been phenomenal. 
So it's like every, so just 

711
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:18,960
confirmation there because I 
didn't know this. 

712
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:21,520
Everything from Old Perth is 
blended malt, yes. 

713
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:24,880
So there's no grain whiskey? 
Blended blended space side malt.

714
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:25,720
Yeah, yeah. 
So. 

715
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:27,880
Its own Sherry, right? 
OK, fantastic. 

716
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:32,000
So it's very specific. 
And we, we, we made the, the, 

717
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:38,800
the, the specification of space 
side single malt so that we can 

718
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:41,040
say that there's no Abargi in it
because a lot of people would 

719
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:43,280
assume that you just, yeah, 
yeah, like, okay, you've got a 

720
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:45,520
blended malt brand. 
It's clearly got that in it. 

721
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:46,880
But it's space side single 
malts. 

722
00:35:47,240 --> 00:35:49,600
A couple of our vintage 
collections are not space side 

723
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:52,640
single malts like we did in 
McAllen Highland Park 21 last 

724
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:55,000
year. 
Highland Park's not on Space 

725
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:57,640
Shack, No. 
So, so you scoop up there. 

726
00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:01,760
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
But, and so I, I just sorry. 

727
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:05,360
So does that go all the way back
to the beginning origins, 

728
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:07,760
origins of Old Perth, or is that
something that Morrison 

729
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:09,720
Distillers decided to do 
exclusively? 

730
00:36:09,720 --> 00:36:11,040
There's something that Morrison 
Distillers. 

731
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:11,960
Decided to do so. 
How? 

732
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:13,800
How long have Morrison has had 
the brand now? 

733
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:16,400
About. 10 or 12 years, something
like that. 

734
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:18,040
It's not always always looked 
like that. 

735
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:21,400
It used to have a, a slightly 
different kind of branding to it

736
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:26,400
and you will see a couple of old
pairs that might not be 

737
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:30,520
specifically Sherry, 
specifically blended malt, but 

738
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:34,120
in the last, you know, eight or 
nine years it's been Spacey 

739
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:36,040
single malts, mature and Sherry 
casks. 

740
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:40,120
I guess on on site our 
distillery again, we go back to 

741
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:46,520
doing as much as we can on site.
So we have 5, they're at least 

742
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:49,560
70 year old Sherry bots that we 
bought straight from straight 

743
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:52,920
from her F they were used in the
drinking Sherry market and we 

744
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:56,760
have them filled up with blended
malt and we teaspoon a little 

745
00:36:56,760 --> 00:37:01,920
bit of that kind of it's it's 
pretty intense stuff into pretty

746
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:03,440
much everything that we do with 
Old Perth. 

747
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:07,240
So it's just that kind of that 
DNA kind of running through and 

748
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:10,640
commitment to Sherry cash 
maturation as well as authentic 

749
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:14,040
as as we can be. 
So sorry, just so we go back to 

750
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:15,880
that, you mentioned about the 
Thompson family. 

751
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:19,000
So we're talking about, is that 
the Thompson family of Finn 

752
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:19,640
Thompson? 
Exactly. 

753
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:20,880
Yeah, yeah. 
So it's Finn Thompson's 

754
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:23,920
granddad, our great, great 
granddad. 

755
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:26,240
We're one of the grandparents. 
Yeah, they had. 

756
00:37:26,240 --> 00:37:28,200
So yeah. 
Because it's, it's funny when 

757
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:31,200
you, you look, you look, I mean,
on a larger scale, you've got, 

758
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:36,120
you know, Famous Grouse being 
bought by Edgington and stuff. 

759
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:39,600
But it's it's interesting when 
you look at buying a brand and 

760
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:41,640
there's when you because we've 
heard stories about buying 

761
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:44,760
distilleries and it was, you 
know, Ian MacLeod distillers 

762
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:46,960
where the Russell family when 
they bought Tam do it was all 

763
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:48,960
about, you know, you look at 
what inventory you're buying 

764
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:51,040
with that. 
Yeah, I take it when what's the 

765
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:52,680
situation when you're buying a 
blend? 

766
00:37:53,240 --> 00:37:56,240
Can you buy inventory or are you
literally just buying the brand?

767
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:58,040
Yeah, I actually. 
Don't know about the the 

768
00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:00,760
procurement side of of old pairs
in terms of that. 

769
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:03,080
I don't know if there was a 
there was a liquid deal as well,

770
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:08,840
but it was a case of taking old 
path and, you know, specifically

771
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:11,320
blended in percher again and 
making it as high quality as we 

772
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:13,320
can. 
So single malt from space side 

773
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:16,360
is is high quality thick. 
People understand that Sherry 

774
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:20,840
cask is high quality thick. 
So hopefully those elements 

775
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:22,920
because blended whiskey gets 
gets a tough wrap. 

776
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:26,480
But if you have high quality 
single malts and you have them 

777
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:28,800
in high quality Sherry casks, 
then you can create something. 

778
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:32,480
And speaking to your gentleman 
here, like putting recipes 

779
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:36,160
together of different makeups or
spirits is, is very hard. 

780
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:38,880
If you're working with one 
spirit, you know, fine. 

781
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:41,880
You understand what that's going
to react to in one specific cast

782
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:45,400
once you put, you know, grassy 
or nutty or malty or whatever it

783
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:47,760
is, and then put them together 
and, and how they're going to 

784
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:49,840
react. 
It's it's proper art of 

785
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:50,320
blending. 
Yeah. 

786
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:51,920
Absolutely. 
I mean and, and what we're 

787
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:53,400
probably going to do. 
Sorry, what did you ask? 

788
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:56,080
What's the first one we. 
Got well, I was just going to 

789
00:38:56,080 --> 00:39:02,760
say what we're going to do, I 
think is we're going what we're 

790
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:04,880
actually going to do is we're 
going to have these side by 

791
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:06,880
side. 
So because they're because 

792
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:08,920
they're both old Perth. 
So what are? 

793
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:11,320
What are the two that were so I 
guess. 

794
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:14,240
The one, the one that was in 
front of you might be to your 

795
00:39:14,240 --> 00:39:18,720
left or right now is our Old 
Perth double Sherry wood. 

796
00:39:18,720 --> 00:39:23,160
So I guess goes back a little 
bit to what I was saying about 

797
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:25,680
consistency. 
And this is part of our core 

798
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:27,320
range. 
So we've currently got 4 drams 

799
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:30,960
in our core range of Old Perth 
with various different makeups, 

800
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:34,120
various different Sherry types. 
This is our most recent edition.

801
00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:40,080
We added it in 2024 in the 
summer of and it is a 

802
00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:42,520
combination of all the Russell 
and Pedro Hammond and Sherry. 

803
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:48,680
So double Sherry woods 48.2% 
alcohol for me. 

804
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:53,800
This is just a nice soft, easy 
going space either like it's 

805
00:39:55,240 --> 00:39:57,520
yeah, something something for 
everyday, a little bit 

806
00:39:57,520 --> 00:40:01,120
chocolatey. 
This is kind of 45 quids a 

807
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:04,360
bottle, something like that. 
Again, with blended whiskey or 

808
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:07,960
blended malt whiskey, you have 
to price it accordingly because 

809
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:11,440
it's got the B word on it, but. 
Where is your blending site 

810
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:12,760
then? 
You mentioned it's in Percher, 

811
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:14,680
is that in your? 
On site. 

812
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:16,240
On site at your decelerator. 
Yeah. 

813
00:40:16,240 --> 00:40:20,000
So in terms of warehousing, we 
warehouse all of our old Perth 

814
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:22,400
here. 
In terms of discouraging so 

815
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:25,320
emptying cask we do everything 
on site and in terms of bathing 

816
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:26,560
and blending we do everything on
site as. 

817
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:28,520
Well, and what's the second? 
What's the second RAM? 

818
00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:30,200
Sorry. 
Then and the second one, so this

819
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:33,040
is part of our core range and 
then we have a limited edition 

820
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:35,120
that we did last year last 
August. 

821
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:38,040
We, we released this and we'll 
do limited editions kind of 

822
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:40,880
throughout the year to showcase 
different cherry styles or 

823
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:45,160
showcase just different kind of 
elements of what we do with old 

824
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:47,120
Perth. 
This is old Perth bodega and 

825
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:49,880
it's a combination of three 
different sheddies. 

826
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:52,000
This one. 
So we've got all Rosso PX and 

827
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:55,920
Paolo Cortado. 
I think that the PX element is 

828
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:57,600
absolutely there. 
You can see by the colour of it.

829
00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:01,840
It's, it's, it's pretty strong. 
Paolo Cortado really lifts it 

830
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:04,560
and gives it a bit of a bit of 
vibrancy from for my palette. 

831
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:11,640
And this is 52.4. 
I think this drinks ridiculously

832
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:14,320
easy at 52. 
Yeah, for any Sherry tarts, I 

833
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:17,400
think is the is the term. 
Yeah, I used to be one of them, 

834
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:19,960
apparently. 
Where's the girl? 

835
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:24,880
Apparently now you're pretending
to light beated whiskey. 

836
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:28,800
Yeah, I mean, Tammy, when you're
talking about blending on site 

837
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:31,920
and everything being done on 
site now you're obviously going 

838
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:36,200
to have and I'm assuming a 
master blender for the for the 

839
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:39,240
single malt. 
Yeah, somebody who is nosing 

840
00:41:39,240 --> 00:41:43,280
casts and signing them off for 
going into their car and more 

841
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:47,640
probably working with whiskey 
and spirit for your metallic and

842
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:49,680
then of course blaming Old 
Perth. 

843
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:53,240
Is that one team of people that 
does all of that What? 

844
00:41:53,240 --> 00:41:56,040
Or is there a particular person 
that's that's sort of sole 

845
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:58,760
responsible or is that split as 
like there's a car and more 

846
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:01,160
team, the Abargi team, the Old 
Perth team in the Mcallity? 

847
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:06,120
As I mentioned, we're pretty 
small operation, that's almost 

848
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:08,120
one person's job. 
Yeah. 

849
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:12,200
So our operations director, 
Graham, Graham Mckerry, he is in

850
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:15,560
charge of kind of what 
eventually goes into bottle. 

851
00:42:15,720 --> 00:42:18,440
He'll work with our managing 
director in terms of cast 

852
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:21,920
selection for specifically car 
more, but also for Mctella and 

853
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:24,600
Old Perth as well in terms of 
where, what direction we we want

854
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:27,360
to go in and presenting options.
And then, and then it's a kind 

855
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:33,120
of team decision from there in 
terms of the Graham and and Neil

856
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:35,320
as well. 
Occasionally with, with the 

857
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:38,440
likes of car more, you know, 
we'll get as a, as a sales team,

858
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:40,320
you know, what do you, what do 
you think of this? 

859
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:41,840
Will this work? 
Because we're, we're a little 

860
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:44,240
bit closer to what's out there 
as well. 

861
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:47,280
And in terms of in terms of 
presenting different stuff, but 

862
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:51,200
in terms of liquids, putting it 
together to be presented to go 

863
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:52,680
into a bottle, it's, it's one 
person. 

864
00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:54,800
Because that's an interesting 
thing you just mentioned to 

865
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:56,800
bring it slightly back to car 
more because it's just a 

866
00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:59,960
question I thought of. 
There is we've maybe spoken to 

867
00:42:59,960 --> 00:43:02,560
other independent bottomless and
maybe off the record they said, 

868
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:04,600
oh, we might keep that back 
because somebody else has 

869
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:07,880
released the Linkwood this year.
So we might wait six months and 

870
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:09,800
then put it out. 
Is that, is that the kind of 

871
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:14,440
things you're feeding back to 
your operations director saying,

872
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:16,760
look, look, there's a few 
Linkwoods out right now. 

873
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:18,520
Maybe we we wait six months. 
Yeah. 

874
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:20,920
And I mean you've got to you've 
got to have a look at the market

875
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:24,560
in in general as well. 
It's not, it's not a kind of 

876
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:27,040
insular like, oh, let's just, 
we're definitely going to do 

877
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:29,120
what we're going to do. 
It's about about reaction as 

878
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:30,640
well. 
And because we're a small 

879
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:35,480
operation, we can decide what 
goes into a bottle more quickly 

880
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:37,040
than our operations director 
would like. 

881
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:39,840
You know, it's like we could 
say, let's, let's do this or 

882
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:41,960
I've got a customer who, who, 
who would like this and that. 

883
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:44,120
And because we're all on site, 
it's like we can be quite 

884
00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:47,440
dynamic with that. 
Of course, we have a plan of 

885
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:51,080
this is what's going to happen. 
This is what we would the what 

886
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:53,200
we would like to happen in terms
of bottling, specifically for 

887
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:55,560
car more all Perth and metals 
are slightly different. 

888
00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:58,120
So all Perth is like this is 
what we're we're going to do 

889
00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:00,600
regardless, because it's quite 
AI mean. 

890
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:03,280
It's it's a smaller category in 
terms of it's not just oh, 

891
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:05,920
there's there's link without 
their orders, you know, XY and 

892
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:08,800
Z. 
And to have as an independent 

893
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:12,240
bottler, as a blender, to have a
core range product or core range

894
00:44:12,240 --> 00:44:16,360
force core range products is is 
tough going. 

895
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:19,240
Yeah, you know, and making sure 
these are always consistent. 

896
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:22,720
They go across the world and 
they're always of of the same 

897
00:44:22,720 --> 00:44:24,440
quality. 
Well, you, you mentioned the B 

898
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:26,560
word, right? 
And we've talked about it so 

899
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:29,800
many times about about blinds 
Now, first of all, you know, 

900
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:31,160
people are listening to 
podcasts. 

901
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:33,240
Well, no, we always talk up 
blinds and things like that as 

902
00:44:33,240 --> 00:44:35,280
well. 
In fact, I'm very close to, you 

903
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:39,720
know, filling a 60 litre VAT 
that I bought and I'm trying to 

904
00:44:39,720 --> 00:44:41,840
find the home for because Ken, 
if I've said categorically 

905
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:47,760
you're not allowed to have it. 
Down in the basement and *** 

906
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:49,120
bonded is it? 
It's not. 

907
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:52,400
Bonded, yeah, No, but the thing 
about it is, I mean, I think we 

908
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:55,720
had it with Simon Smith and it's
funny when you look at the blend

909
00:44:55,720 --> 00:44:58,320
category because you can have 
blended Scotch, blended malt and

910
00:44:58,320 --> 00:44:59,320
blended grain. 
Yeah. 

911
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:02,880
And one of the things that we've
we've said is that people just 

912
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:05,360
see blend and just think, right,
it's a blend. 

913
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:08,040
And so automatically what they 
do is they switch off a lot of 

914
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:09,440
the time. 
Whereas we would have spoke 

915
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:11,720
about Gregor's episodes out this
week as we're recording it. 

916
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:16,240
Greg's job at one point was 
blinding for, for, for Whiskey 

917
00:45:16,240 --> 00:45:17,920
Row and then other products. 
Glen more spirits. 

918
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:21,040
But you know, Greg coined the 
phrase and the first episode is 

919
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:22,240
on. 
You're creating flavour. 

920
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:23,800
Yeah, that's what that's what's 
cool. 

921
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:26,680
And, you know, to be able to sit
there and we've done a blending 

922
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:28,600
experience with Jake as well on 
a single mop front. 

923
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:31,560
And so when people see that you 
when you get different flavours 

924
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:33,040
in front of you, you get the 
opportunity. 

925
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:35,560
I mean, for interest. 
Has anyone in here done a 

926
00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:39,480
blending experience, a 
distillery or or or so you guys 

927
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:40,680
have done one of you. 
What? 

928
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:49,120
No, thank you. 
Strath Isle. 

929
00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:49,880
Yeah. 
Brilliant. 

930
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:54,360
So because it's good fun if 
we've done it and. 

931
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:56,200
It's, well, it's good. 
It's good fun until you get. 

932
00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:58,520
It's good fun until you get Jake
to try your blend and. 

933
00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:03,120
Then he just slaughters it. 
But no, it is good fun. 

934
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:05,120
But then there's the other 
element that the fact that so 

935
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:08,200
many and I was guilty of this, I
used to genuinely think that the

936
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:11,080
blend category was one 
particular category of whiskey. 

937
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:12,840
Well, that's it, So. 
Then when you actually say well,

938
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:15,280
when so when you get an 
opportunity to say to people, 

939
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:18,400
no, hang on a minute. 
This is this is because I think 

940
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:21,120
it was we talked about with 
Simon Smith and we said, can we 

941
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:27,360
start to can we start to 
campaign against a far blended 

942
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:31,360
malt to have its own category in
terms of I think we call it 

943
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:34,480
multi multi malt. 
Multi malt is what we said 

944
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:38,400
because or because or the pure 
malt as woven brought out as 

945
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:40,640
well. 
But because there are so many 

946
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:42,520
people that would just turn 
their nose up at a blend. 

947
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:46,040
But when you actually speak and 
say, well, see that single malt 

948
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:49,080
that you like the Glenfed F-12 
for example, in fact, there is a

949
00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:53,280
master blender who picks out 
what casks are good enough to 

950
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:56,360
put into a VAT that then puts 
that so the bottle that you get.

951
00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:59,080
So that is effectively batting 
and blending that's going on. 

952
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:03,080
But this old perf and other 
blended malts like that is an 

953
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:05,000
opportunity to go hang on a 
second here. 

954
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:07,880
We could just pick single malts 
from all over. 

955
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:10,600
So we don't we're not just 
restricted to 1 distillery and 

956
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:14,600
1, you know, 1 spirit style and 
and within within that to be 

957
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:16,840
able to go space side as well 
and share it. 

958
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:18,560
That is niching it down. 
But at the same time. 

959
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:22,720
There does seem to be a move 
into like artisan blends almost.

960
00:47:22,720 --> 00:47:24,600
I think Woven very much takes 
that category. 

961
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:27,840
Not whiskey society. 
They've done some really, really

962
00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:31,320
small batch blends. 
I'm assuming the old person kind

963
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:32,440
of. 
Especially with the limited 

964
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:35,840
releases and special releases, 
you are doing small batch 

965
00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:37,520
blends. 
Yeah, I mean. 

966
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:41,720
Maybe making a flavour profile 
and then filling that out with 

967
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:43,200
the acquired liquid you have in 
your own? 

968
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:46,760
Would that be safe to say or? 
Yeah, I mean that bodega or this

969
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:50,080
bodega one that we did last 
year, that's about 1200 bottles.

970
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:52,480
All right, so it's worldwide, so
that's pretty small. 

971
00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:56,160
We'll occasionally do an annual 
release that might creep up to 3

972
00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:57,560
1/2 thousand, something like 
that. 

973
00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:01,440
Pretty small, yeah. 
Yeah, Well, I guess in terms of 

974
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:04,480
categorising, and it's had a 
tough life. 

975
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:07,800
Blended malt, it used to be 
vatted malt and as you see, 

976
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:09,040
people don't really understand 
it. 

977
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:13,080
But to categorise a whole thing 
and be like, that's what I don't

978
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:16,080
what I don't like or what I do 
like, it's, it's, it's crazy 

979
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:19,800
because with blended whiskey, 
you know, sometimes it can be 

980
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:23,800
harsh because of younger grain. 
But with, with blended malt, 

981
00:48:24,240 --> 00:48:26,320
don't have that element in 
there, of course. 

982
00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:28,720
And you mentioned about one of 
the ones you mentioned about one

983
00:48:28,720 --> 00:48:31,000
of the ones where you can say 
it's literally got Macallan and 

984
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:32,080
Highland Park in it. 
Yeah. 

985
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:35,560
How open can you be with the Old
Perth to be able to say now 

986
00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:38,680
you're able to say to people 
that space side and it's Sherry,

987
00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:41,960
Sherry, whiskey. 
But are there are there Old 

988
00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:44,800
Perth releases? 
Where are are current ones that 

989
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:47,160
we're drinking? 
Are you are are is the consumer 

990
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:50,720
able to access more information 
on where the the liquids come 

991
00:48:50,720 --> 00:48:51,560
from? 
Absolutely. 

992
00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:54,360
They're all from space, right? 
Yeah, and they're all mature. 

993
00:48:54,360 --> 00:49:00,480
They're sharing. 
An extension of that question or

994
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:05,080
maybe is are you sourcing the 
casks yourself and filling 

995
00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:08,600
spirit with that, or are you 
sourcing casks and spirit 

996
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:10,840
externally and then it's just 
getting blended? 

997
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:15,000
No, we're we're maturing the 
spirit and we'll buy a lot of 

998
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:17,600
new make spirit specifically for
old Perth and we'll get to 

999
00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:20,440
Mctalla as well. 
But I'm I'm mixture of we're 

1000
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:24,040
buying new make spirit and aged 
spirit to kind of keep that 

1001
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:27,080
maturation going and we're it's 
not so that binding. 

1002
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:29,720
That means you've been in charge
of the whole wood management 

1003
00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:32,760
side of things from when you've 
received the bulk and you make 

1004
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:36,280
and then filled it yourself into
aged it yourself and then 

1005
00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:37,520
blinded. 
And it's not. 

1006
00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:41,720
It's not like a, it's not like 
we have all these single malts 

1007
00:49:41,720 --> 00:49:43,640
together and then we just blend 
them and bottle them. 

1008
00:49:43,640 --> 00:49:46,360
No, it's like these are, we've 
got blended malt sitting in the 

1009
00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:49,280
warehouse that will be old Perth
in the future. 

1010
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:52,080
And it's kind of like, OK, it 
might need a bit more of that 

1011
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:55,360
grassy element or it might need 
a bit more of nutty or, or, you 

1012
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:58,240
know, whatever it is. 
So it's, it's keeping that blend

1013
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:00,880
moving. 
So that's why we don't get as 

1014
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:03,440
granular as. 
This is exactly what is in this.

1015
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:05,400
Course. 
Well, once you start to do that 

1016
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:07,080
becomes difficult because 
suddenly. 

1017
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:07,920
From a consistency. 
Point. 

1018
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:09,360
Yeah, exactly. 
Maintaining consistency. 

1019
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:14,440
And I would challenge anyone to 
ask why would you like to know 

1020
00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:16,200
that? 
No, of course, from a sales 

1021
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:19,880
perspective, I suppose that is 
the sad thing about it is you 

1022
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:24,160
can say to somebody, this is a 
blended mole and people will go,

1023
00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:26,360
all right, it's a blend. 
But then if you were to say to 

1024
00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:29,840
somebody, well, it's got it's 
it's it's Highland Park and 

1025
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:31,640
McAllen. 
Do you like Highland Park? 

1026
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:33,640
Yes, it's a great distillery. 
Do you like McAllen? 

1027
00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:34,560
Yes. 
Well, what we've done is we 

1028
00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:35,800
blended the two of them 
together. 

1029
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:38,320
So that is like the Uber DRAM 
for you. 

1030
00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:41,160
But I mean, it's wrong because 
like what most people will say 

1031
00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:44,520
is that flavour LED 
conversations is what's better. 

1032
00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:48,120
But at the same time, we all 
know that actually the general 

1033
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:51,160
consumer also looks towards the 
brand name as well. 

1034
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:53,520
That's there. 
So it becomes and it's just a 

1035
00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:55,440
trickier job from a sales 
perspective. 

1036
00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:58,080
Because we've luckily we have 
this and we've done quite a lot 

1037
00:50:58,080 --> 00:51:00,760
of space size with this. 
Yeah. 

1038
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:03,400
So suppose I'm in a scene 
warehouse. 

1039
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:04,960
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
Fair, Yeah. 

1040
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:09,280
So yeah, like not I'm talking 
about Carmore, sorry, 

1041
00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:12,160
specifically not maybe not 
Linkwood, but if you look at 

1042
00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:15,600
Carmore's back catalog, you know
that's there's lots of space 

1043
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:16,840
like single motes that we've 
done there. 

1044
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:17,680
Yeah. 
So people can't. 

1045
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:18,760
Yeah. 
Has the brand done? 

1046
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:20,440
Anything. 
I mean, obviously Old Perth 

1047
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:22,960
you've stated is all space like 
it's all Sherry cast mature, 

1048
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:25,520
yeah. 
Has the brand done anything 

1049
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:27,360
deviating from that in a blend 
format? 

1050
00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:29,960
Have you done the bourbon 
maturation or is it? 

1051
00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:33,680
Pure, not anytime recently, 
right, OK. 

1052
00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:37,600
And no, because we're we're 
really trying to showcase even 

1053
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:39,560
the flavour within that. 
So we've done Manzania, we've 

1054
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:43,120
done Paolo Cortado, we've done a
Monteado, we've done PX, we've 

1055
00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:47,320
done kind of lots of different 
Sherry cast maturations that 

1056
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:50,400
offer very, very wide flavour 
profiles. 

1057
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:52,840
If you can imagine Monteado next
to PX, it's it's. 

1058
00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:56,480
Well, we know from Ross that 
Monteado is a sexy Sherry, so he

1059
00:51:56,480 --> 00:52:00,280
says. 
Yeah, check. 

1060
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:03,480
Check his Internet. 
Check his hard drive. 

1061
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:10,640
But and time then going away 
from just the old Perth because 

1062
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:13,400
the history associated with the 
brand, but also it wasn't until 

1063
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:16,200
you actually mentioned and 
again, I'm not heard of research

1064
00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:18,440
on the podcast. 
Angus says no, but I wasn't it 

1065
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:22,080
wasn't until you mentioned that,
you know, the Morrison families 

1066
00:52:22,240 --> 00:52:24,880
and the ball Moore connection. 
Suddenly there was a penny drop 

1067
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:27,720
for me and suddenly went, Oh 
shit, that's that's the same 

1068
00:52:27,720 --> 00:52:29,640
people. 
So, so the history of that, the 

1069
00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:33,320
family then what's, what's the 
story behind the Morrison family

1070
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:35,320
and where where they went and 
where they are now? 

1071
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:38,440
Yeah, I mean from, from a buy 
and sell and whiskey point of 

1072
00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:41,760
view, it goes back five full 
generations. 

1073
00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:46,120
The most famous family history 
is ownership of Bulmore 

1074
00:52:46,120 --> 00:52:49,720
Distillery in the mid 60s. 
And then we, we, I say we as a 

1075
00:52:49,720 --> 00:52:51,440
family. 
So that the Santori in the mid 

1076
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:55,880
90s, we also had Akin Tosh and 
and Glengiri in our portfolio. 

1077
00:52:56,960 --> 00:53:01,080
It was, I mean, it's a crazy 
time in whiskey between the 60s 

1078
00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:05,600
and the 90s, but Bulmore is one 
of those distilleries that is 

1079
00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:12,560
just worldwide recognition and a
being on Isla is, is just that 

1080
00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:16,840
more special in itself. 
So that was Jamie Morrison, 

1081
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:21,360
who's our current owner, his 
grandfather, Stanley P He he 

1082
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:25,080
procured or bought all more 
distillery in the 60s and and 

1083
00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:27,760
owned and operated it like 
pretty close to the operation 

1084
00:53:28,920 --> 00:53:32,120
until, until the 90s. 
So that's the that's the family 

1085
00:53:32,120 --> 00:53:35,320
history of that's the more 
history side of the history, I 

1086
00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:37,960
guess. 
And then and then Abu Argue came

1087
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:42,200
along in 2017. 
It was the sale to to Santori 

1088
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:45,960
was never planned to get out of 
the whiskey game. 

1089
00:53:46,080 --> 00:53:48,120
It was just. 
Well, I mean, when you think 

1090
00:53:48,120 --> 00:53:51,680
about the yeah, I mean, buying, 
buying distilleries in the 60s 

1091
00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:54,120
and selling them in the 90s, 
especially to a company like 

1092
00:53:54,120 --> 00:53:55,320
Santori, they probably did. 
All right. 

1093
00:53:55,800 --> 00:54:00,480
Imagine so because you know, and
like what we've said, when 

1094
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:03,520
you're in that, when the family 
holds that name, that can carry 

1095
00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:05,680
because like you said, there'll 
be there'll still be people on 

1096
00:54:05,680 --> 00:54:07,160
the island and Iowa and they'll 
be. 

1097
00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:09,520
They built the swimming pool. 
Didn't they? 

1098
00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:12,640
There you go. 
But there'll be even plenty. 

1099
00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:16,760
Every time you go for it. 
Yeah, famously heated by this. 

1100
00:54:17,560 --> 00:54:19,760
Yeah, heated by the distillery. 
Right. 

1101
00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:23,040
I didn't even know that I did 
not. 

1102
00:54:23,240 --> 00:54:25,880
Know that the swing is more than
the swimming pool, Yeah. 

1103
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:27,200
It's right next to the. 
Distillery. 

1104
00:54:27,240 --> 00:54:28,360
Oh, I'm going to have to go for 
a swim. 

1105
00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:31,120
On the other side, you've got 
the sea, so you know, you make 

1106
00:54:31,120 --> 00:54:34,200
the decision because. 
I mean, yeah, I suppose, you 

1107
00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:36,360
know, being able to the Morrison
family, you know, they'll walk 

1108
00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:38,400
on the island and there'll be 
people on the island who still 

1109
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:40,280
remember the family. 
Oh, absolutely. 

1110
00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:43,480
But then also there'll be plenty
of people in the industry who 

1111
00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:48,160
still remember the family. 
The element of I've done, you 

1112
00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:51,920
know, I've done the no, we do. 
There were people who were 

1113
00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:54,840
saying I, I, you know, I did 
work with your granddad or I did

1114
00:54:54,840 --> 00:54:57,920
work with, you know, I know your
family and that carries, you 

1115
00:54:57,920 --> 00:55:00,520
know, you look at the Urquhart 
and the Rankin family for Gordon

1116
00:55:00,520 --> 00:55:02,760
Macphail and there's plenty of 
other family businesses that, 

1117
00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:07,720
that around the industry where 
suddenly all right, they don't 

1118
00:55:07,720 --> 00:55:10,240
own the distilleries anymore, 
But those relationships will run

1119
00:55:10,240 --> 00:55:12,400
pretty deep, particularly with 
cast procurement as well. 

1120
00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:13,960
Oh. 
And I mean, there's a wash back 

1121
00:55:13,960 --> 00:55:15,960
with in Bulmore, that's a 
Morrison wash back. 

1122
00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:18,920
And if you go into any of the 
warehouses, you know, there's, 

1123
00:55:18,920 --> 00:55:21,960
there's Morrison Bulmore casks 
lying about all over the place. 

1124
00:55:21,960 --> 00:55:23,560
That's, that's the Morrison 
family. 

1125
00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:26,040
It's, it's not, it's a 
connection. 

1126
00:55:26,040 --> 00:55:28,560
That's that's mega. 
He's a big guy that. 

1127
00:55:28,560 --> 00:55:30,280
Yeah, it's a big. 
I mean, it wasn't until you, 

1128
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:32,840
like I said, I've not done my 
research too much today, but it 

1129
00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:35,200
wasn't until you mentioned 
earlier on, but in the first 

1130
00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:36,280
part. 
But what do we think of the 

1131
00:55:36,280 --> 00:55:37,760
first two drive these two drums 
in? 

1132
00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:39,240
Is there, because we're doing it
side by side. 

1133
00:55:39,240 --> 00:55:40,880
Is there a particular favourite 
that stands out? 

1134
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:42,200
Yes. 
OK. 

1135
00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:45,400
What about yourself? 
Bodega is beautiful. 

1136
00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:46,440
Bodega. 
Yeah, we're getting that. 

1137
00:55:47,160 --> 00:55:47,720
Yeah. 
Good. 

1138
00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:49,840
Anyone else want to? 
What else? 

1139
00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:52,000
I've got the roving mic. 
I'm going to come at you for it.

1140
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:53,640
You're sitting quiet in the 
corner. 

1141
00:55:53,640 --> 00:55:55,280
Too quiet. 
Here it comes. 

1142
00:55:55,320 --> 00:55:56,680
Right. 
What are we thinking for it? 

1143
00:55:58,760 --> 00:56:00,720
The bodega. 
The bodega? 

1144
00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:03,080
The bodega? 
OK, anyone not. 

1145
00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:04,840
What would be the first one? 
The other. 

1146
00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:06,960
The other one. 
Number one. 

1147
00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:08,040
You like #1? 
Fraser. 

1148
00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:11,400
I prefer #1. 
Why? 

1149
00:56:12,240 --> 00:56:14,440
Because I do like. 
There we go, Jake. 

1150
00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:17,040
You are nodding frantically 
there and ask if there's a 

1151
00:56:17,040 --> 00:56:18,440
particular favorite. 
Which one do you like? 

1152
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:22,000
Yeah. 
Is there any particular reason 

1153
00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:25,360
behind it? 
Just that you like it? 

1154
00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:28,080
Yeah. 
Well, we were going to say 

1155
00:56:28,080 --> 00:56:30,280
something else then what are you
going to say? 

1156
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:31,400
I. 
Think number one's a little bit 

1157
00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:32,920
sulphur. 
I think it's got a bit of a 

1158
00:56:33,600 --> 00:56:37,080
couple casks in there. 
OK, brilliant. 

1159
00:56:37,080 --> 00:56:38,240
There we go. 
Greg, you like? 

1160
00:56:38,240 --> 00:56:38,760
You like them all? 
Yeah. 

1161
00:56:39,320 --> 00:56:41,720
Really like the bodega one, 
really well balanced, good 

1162
00:56:41,720 --> 00:56:42,960
complexity on it. 
Good. 

1163
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:44,400
Are we going to get a wanky 
tasting note? 

1164
00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:45,920
Oh, we've got one from. 
Chuck. 

1165
00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:46,400
Chuck. 
Right. 

1166
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:47,440
Come on, Chuck. 
I don't need to give you the 

1167
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:48,000
mic. 
You've got one. 

1168
00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:53,320
But the not the bodega one but 
the other one which is probably 

1169
00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:55,440
my favorite. 
The two it's just like caramel 

1170
00:56:55,480 --> 00:56:57,320
Coco pops. 
So the first one. 

1171
00:56:57,320 --> 00:56:58,520
So the first one you like? 
Yeah. 

1172
00:56:58,920 --> 00:57:01,840
Double cherry, Double cherry, 
caramel, Coco pops. 

1173
00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:03,160
Anyone getting me? 
Exactly. 

1174
00:57:03,160 --> 00:57:18,600
He's definitely done wanker. 
It's made at home, Chuck. 

1175
00:57:18,680 --> 00:57:20,200
Chuck would rather have a bowl 
of caramel. 

1176
00:57:20,200 --> 00:57:21,240
East Cocoa bottle. 
Yeah, yeah. 

1177
00:57:22,040 --> 00:57:24,240
I think the Bodega's got kind of
cocoa bottle vibes as well, 

1178
00:57:24,320 --> 00:57:26,120
yeah. 
I think it's, I think it's more 

1179
00:57:26,120 --> 00:57:28,240
of a kind of nutty thing with 
the second one. 

1180
00:57:28,240 --> 00:57:30,960
I I really like that. 
So, so Tom, you mentioned the 

1181
00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:32,800
price of these good. 
What's the price of these ones 

1182
00:57:32,800 --> 00:57:34,880
again so? 
So the double Sherry wood is 

1183
00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:37,720
about 45 lbs depending on where 
you buy it from. 

1184
00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:41,840
And I think as a, as an 
everydayer and just an easygoing

1185
00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:45,280
DRAM for less than 50 for £45, 
it's, it's a lot of whiskey. 

1186
00:57:45,760 --> 00:57:49,240
The bodega again, we was a 
limited release that we did last

1187
00:57:49,240 --> 00:57:50,640
August. 
If you can still pick it up 

1188
00:57:50,640 --> 00:57:54,920
it'll be 5253 quid something. 
And and when it comes to for 

1189
00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:57,000
again, selling it, because this 
is what's interesting from your 

1190
00:57:57,000 --> 00:57:59,120
perspective is you, you're the 
guy that has to actually go out 

1191
00:57:59,120 --> 00:58:01,680
and punt it. 
So where, where again is it 

1192
00:58:01,680 --> 00:58:04,440
straight into retailers? 
Are you are you looking at bars 

1193
00:58:04,440 --> 00:58:06,080
as well? 
From us a lot, a lot into 

1194
00:58:06,080 --> 00:58:08,280
retail. 
We've got some real old pair 

1195
00:58:08,280 --> 00:58:11,600
supporters. 
I mean from good work by myself,

1196
00:58:11,600 --> 00:58:15,640
but you know people, people who 
really bought into the brand 

1197
00:58:15,680 --> 00:58:17,680
understand the liquid 
proposition in terms of how good

1198
00:58:17,680 --> 00:58:20,840
it is and how like fair fairly 
priced it is, I would say. 

1199
00:58:21,120 --> 00:58:25,680
And like we've got original 
double Sherry, cash strength and

1200
00:58:25,680 --> 00:58:27,720
12 year old in the core range. 
And we've got, you know, 

1201
00:58:27,720 --> 00:58:33,040
customers who pretty much on on 
order every X amount of time. 

1202
00:58:33,080 --> 00:58:35,320
We're like, Yep, we need more 
original, we need more double 

1203
00:58:35,320 --> 00:58:37,240
Sherry. 
We need more 12 because their 

1204
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:40,200
their customers want something 
that's that's the same and 

1205
00:58:40,200 --> 00:58:41,600
consistent. 
They come in every month for 

1206
00:58:41,600 --> 00:58:43,920
their bottle of double Sherry 
or, or whatever it is. 

1207
00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:46,120
So yeah. 
Does it do? 

1208
00:58:46,160 --> 00:58:49,480
Well, in Perth. 
Well, well, our Dunk, Dunk L 

1209
00:58:49,480 --> 00:58:50,880
whiskey box. 
Yeah, there's. 

1210
00:58:50,880 --> 00:58:53,200
Docks a lot. 
Which is in Perth, sure. 

1211
00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:56,200
Yeah, and. 
And I was in there a couple of 

1212
00:58:56,200 --> 00:58:57,800
weeks ago and it was, yeah, I 
saw a lot of old. 

1213
00:58:57,800 --> 00:59:00,840
Perth, yeah, so and Carlmore, 
it'd be interesting if old Perth

1214
00:59:00,880 --> 00:59:02,520
were like, Nah, we like the new 
Perth like. 

1215
00:59:04,520 --> 00:59:07,400
Yeah, most most of the spirits 
in Perth also. 

1216
00:59:07,400 --> 00:59:12,160
And JL Gill in grief, I guess. 
And does this travel around the 

1217
00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:14,000
world or is it mainly? 
Yeah, so there's 20. 

1218
00:59:14,280 --> 00:59:15,800
Five different markets. 
Wow. 

1219
00:59:16,120 --> 00:59:18,200
Yeah. 
And see from your own personal 

1220
00:59:18,200 --> 00:59:20,040
point of view, because we've had
you on the podcast before. 

1221
00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:23,800
We've had you twice actually. 
There was you had a dedicated 

1222
00:59:23,800 --> 00:59:26,800
episode and then we also had you
on for the roasting of Ross Bar,

1223
00:59:26,920 --> 00:59:30,400
which was his, which actually. 
Should be every every week. 

1224
00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:33,280
Well, let's think back. 
It could be arranged. 

1225
00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:36,080
Because that was his wedding. 
He was over in America getting 

1226
00:59:36,080 --> 00:59:37,720
married. 
And we, we all decided to get to

1227
00:59:37,720 --> 00:59:39,000
Diggers. 
There's quite a few of us and we

1228
00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:41,840
just slaughtered him for an hour
and a half and he wasn't even 

1229
00:59:41,840 --> 00:59:43,960
there to defend themselves. 
So it was, it was quite good 

1230
00:59:43,960 --> 00:59:47,040
fun, but your own personal story
because you're, you're, you're 

1231
00:59:47,040 --> 00:59:49,880
in sales pushing whiskey, but 
you come from, you know, you 

1232
00:59:49,880 --> 00:59:51,560
worked. 
Did you work with Chuck as well?

1233
00:59:51,680 --> 00:59:53,320
No. 
So you chat with colleagues. 

1234
00:59:53,320 --> 00:59:56,320
Pat, that's Scotch. 
Yeah, don't we help their 

1235
00:59:56,320 --> 00:59:57,080
customers to fuck? 
Look. 

1236
01:00:01,160 --> 01:00:04,440
At sounds like Chuck too. 
Yeah, I've spent the next few 

1237
01:00:04,440 --> 01:00:05,920
years undoing all that good 
work, Chuck. 

1238
01:00:06,800 --> 01:00:08,840
Me too. 
No, exactly, but I mean, it's 

1239
01:00:09,160 --> 01:00:12,960
I'm a whiskey fan at the end of 
the day, so I like I like 

1240
01:00:12,960 --> 01:00:15,360
promoting whiskey in general. 
I like if people are drinking 

1241
01:00:15,360 --> 01:00:16,960
more whiskey, they're drinking 
more of our whiskey. 

1242
01:00:17,040 --> 01:00:20,000
Yeah, exactly, Yeah, stands to 
reason and like getting into 

1243
01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:22,960
drams and and chatting, chatting
to like minded people as much as

1244
01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:26,600
possible hosts and tastings is 
is one of the one of my favorite

1245
01:00:26,600 --> 01:00:30,120
bits of the job with you get to,
you know, come along with a bag 

1246
01:00:30,120 --> 01:00:33,160
of drams and you have people's 
undivided attention for couple 

1247
01:00:33,240 --> 01:00:33,920
of hours. 
Yeah. 

1248
01:00:33,920 --> 01:00:36,240
And to and to get feedback and 
say what you know, what do you 

1249
01:00:36,240 --> 01:00:39,000
like and what what don't you 
like and and to tell the story. 

1250
01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:42,960
And with our portfolio, it's I 
mean, we could do, I could do a 

1251
01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:44,640
car more tasting, I could do an 
au pair tasting. 

1252
01:00:44,640 --> 01:00:48,040
I could do a Mctella tasting. 
The Aberrargue one at the moment

1253
01:00:48,040 --> 01:00:51,400
would look like probably 2 new 
make spirits, 2 cat samples and 

1254
01:00:51,400 --> 01:00:53,360
inaugural. 
But you can still do that sort 

1255
01:00:53,360 --> 01:00:57,360
of thing, in fact, in time in 
time. 

1256
01:00:57,360 --> 01:01:00,120
Because you, you guys, do you 
have a brand ambassador or is it

1257
01:01:00,120 --> 01:01:02,560
literally sales? 
Sales are part of the brand team

1258
01:01:02,560 --> 01:01:03,280
as well. 
Exactly. 

1259
01:01:03,280 --> 01:01:05,120
Yeah, we. 
Don't we, don't I, I, I came 

1260
01:01:05,120 --> 01:01:09,200
into the business as a brand 
ambassador and was doing a lot 

1261
01:01:09,200 --> 01:01:12,520
of, of UK sales and we still, I 
still support like the, the 

1262
01:01:12,520 --> 01:01:14,640
European festivals, like I was 
over in the Netherlands that 

1263
01:01:14,680 --> 01:01:16,600
last month. 
I'm going to Germany in April 

1264
01:01:17,200 --> 01:01:18,400
because we are such a small 
team. 

1265
01:01:18,400 --> 01:01:20,040
It's like. 
Marketing in sales of one 

1266
01:01:20,040 --> 01:01:22,040
department. 
Yeah, absolutely, absolutely. 

1267
01:01:22,040 --> 01:01:23,320
But still Whiskey festival in 
Germany. 

1268
01:01:24,120 --> 01:01:26,840
I'm at Lindberg. 
Yeah, it's good fun. 

1269
01:01:26,880 --> 01:01:28,080
I've done it. 
I've done it once before. 

1270
01:01:28,160 --> 01:01:31,000
And that's proper. 
Like what angle are your line 

1271
01:01:31,000 --> 01:01:32,680
arms? 
And that's. 

1272
01:01:32,720 --> 01:01:36,120
Well when Giri has a crazy line 
arm which is was popped up that 

1273
01:01:36,120 --> 01:01:37,760
that that came up with family. 
Oh yeah. 

1274
01:01:37,840 --> 01:01:39,640
Yeah, that. 
Was that was one of our seven. 

1275
01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:41,360
Can't measure the angle of it 
too. 

1276
01:01:41,520 --> 01:01:44,120
Sick of going to German whiskey 
festivals and talking about it. 

1277
01:01:45,080 --> 01:01:47,160
But Tammy, because it is 
interesting when you're when 

1278
01:01:47,160 --> 01:01:49,480
you're talking about when you're
a sales. 

1279
01:01:49,520 --> 01:01:52,960
Now look, we, we had, I think 
when this goes out last week, 

1280
01:01:52,960 --> 01:01:56,560
Tim Walker on the podcast, who 
you know, he, he holds the he's 

1281
01:01:56,560 --> 01:02:00,000
the luxury account manager for 
William grandsons. 

1282
01:02:00,040 --> 01:02:01,880
If you haven't listened to that 
episode, give it a listen. 

1283
01:02:01,880 --> 01:02:03,960
We were very spoilt. 
Probably the most expensive 

1284
01:02:03,960 --> 01:02:05,280
hangover I've had for a long 
time. 

1285
01:02:06,840 --> 01:02:09,400
You paid for it, did you? 
No, I paid for it the next day. 

1286
01:02:09,520 --> 01:02:12,960
But but you know, Tim, Tim was 
very open about it and he said 

1287
01:02:12,960 --> 01:02:16,240
like he got into the job and 
he's in sales and he said I 

1288
01:02:16,240 --> 01:02:18,880
didn't like whiskey. 
He got to like whiskey. 

1289
01:02:19,000 --> 01:02:21,960
And he understands it. 
But there is an element of, you 

1290
01:02:21,960 --> 01:02:23,560
know, you can work in sales and 
you can sell. 

1291
01:02:23,560 --> 01:02:25,560
If you're good at sales, you can
sell anything really. 

1292
01:02:25,560 --> 01:02:28,040
You're going to get the core 
points and understand and no. 

1293
01:02:28,240 --> 01:02:32,560
And sometimes even if you're 
selling to retailers, the person

1294
01:02:32,560 --> 01:02:35,160
that you're speaking to a major 
retailer isn't going to sit 

1295
01:02:35,160 --> 01:02:38,480
there and go. 
I don't care what the mouth feel

1296
01:02:38,480 --> 01:02:40,080
is like. 
I just care if it's going to sit

1297
01:02:40,080 --> 01:02:45,240
on my shelves and shift and but 
at the same time from you know, 

1298
01:02:45,560 --> 01:02:48,000
with the fact that car more is 
an independent baller. 

1299
01:02:48,320 --> 01:02:50,440
So you're you're always looking 
at smaller batches. 

1300
01:02:51,080 --> 01:02:52,840
Truck used the term artisanal as
well. 

1301
01:02:52,840 --> 01:02:55,680
So there is an element of that 
the artisanal element with the 

1302
01:02:55,680 --> 01:02:59,240
distillery and also all Perth. 
It means that from your 

1303
01:02:59,240 --> 01:03:01,800
perspective, being able to go 
and speak to a retailer, you're 

1304
01:03:01,800 --> 01:03:03,320
speaking to people who are 
probably passionate about 

1305
01:03:03,320 --> 01:03:05,640
whiskey. 
So being able to actually, if 

1306
01:03:05,640 --> 01:03:09,120
you're buying could we've talked
about the, the phrase people buy

1307
01:03:09,120 --> 01:03:11,560
for people. 
And I think that if, if, if 

1308
01:03:11,560 --> 01:03:13,800
you're a whiskey person and the 
person who's selling you the 

1309
01:03:13,800 --> 01:03:16,440
whiskey is able to actually 
speak to you about the whiskey 

1310
01:03:16,440 --> 01:03:19,320
properly and has a background 
and understanding in it, then it

1311
01:03:19,320 --> 01:03:21,760
makes it hell of a lot easier to
go, yeah, I get it. 

1312
01:03:21,760 --> 01:03:23,880
I'll buy that and then I'll be 
able to pass on what you've just

1313
01:03:23,880 --> 01:03:24,640
said to me. 
Yeah. 

1314
01:03:24,640 --> 01:03:27,760
And I mean also like kind of 
getting an understanding of my 

1315
01:03:27,760 --> 01:03:30,800
customers business, it's like, 
OK, well what what goes well for

1316
01:03:30,800 --> 01:03:32,400
you, you know, because they're 
not going to buy something that 

1317
01:03:32,400 --> 01:03:34,960
doesn't go well. 
And like, OK, we're selling 

1318
01:03:34,960 --> 01:03:38,200
loads of, I don't know, insert 
brand or distillery here. 

1319
01:03:38,200 --> 01:03:40,880
I'm like, OK, well, you might 
like this out of our portfolio. 

1320
01:03:40,880 --> 01:03:44,080
I'm blessed because I've got 
such a wide range of of drams 

1321
01:03:44,080 --> 01:03:47,120
that there should there should 
be something that will that will

1322
01:03:47,120 --> 01:03:49,760
work for yeah anyone retailer 
and we go back to relationships 

1323
01:03:49,760 --> 01:03:51,120
as. 
Well, so it's basically like 

1324
01:03:51,120 --> 01:03:53,280
working at Scotch again. 
No. 

1325
01:03:54,640 --> 01:03:56,400
Somebody, somebody's saying, oh,
I like this. 

1326
01:03:56,400 --> 01:03:58,120
You say, well, why don't you try
this? 

1327
01:03:58,160 --> 01:04:00,520
Yeah, a little bit. 
And, and also we'll go back to 

1328
01:04:00,520 --> 01:04:02,600
like, OK, you can support me 
with with doing this. 

1329
01:04:02,600 --> 01:04:04,040
And it's, it's a relationship 
piece as well. 

1330
01:04:04,040 --> 01:04:08,000
It's like, OK, I, I know, I know
these people personally and, and

1331
01:04:08,560 --> 01:04:12,560
I try and make, make it work for
everyone in terms of like you, I

1332
01:04:12,560 --> 01:04:14,000
want to sell as much whiskey as 
I can. 

1333
01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:17,680
But if it's just going to sit 
there, that's not really a sale.

1334
01:04:17,720 --> 01:04:19,640
It's like, how do we manage the 
after sales? 

1335
01:04:19,640 --> 01:04:21,160
How do we manage the push pull 
through? 

1336
01:04:21,480 --> 01:04:25,160
And that's, that's a kind of 
wider activation piece and, and 

1337
01:04:25,160 --> 01:04:29,080
branding piece as well. 
But yeah, it's yeah, I like 

1338
01:04:29,080 --> 01:04:31,440
selling whiskey. 
Of course, and we've mentioned 

1339
01:04:31,440 --> 01:04:33,200
Asti already with the Arbor 
argue. 

1340
01:04:33,200 --> 01:04:36,440
But I suppose going back to that
question in the sense of you'll 

1341
01:04:36,440 --> 01:04:38,320
have accounts that are probably 
really, really good at just 

1342
01:04:38,320 --> 01:04:41,040
saying give us everything that 
you're bringing out car more 

1343
01:04:41,040 --> 01:04:44,240
yadda, yadda, yadda. 
But there'll maybe there'll be 

1344
01:04:44,240 --> 01:04:46,720
other accounts that were a 
little bit OK, we'll see what 

1345
01:04:46,720 --> 01:04:48,160
you've got. 
We don't know if it'll shift, 

1346
01:04:48,280 --> 01:04:52,120
but do you have to do you have 
to prioritize people now that 

1347
01:04:52,120 --> 01:04:56,120
you have a a a like a a single 
malt because suddenly you might 

1348
01:04:56,120 --> 01:04:57,800
be an accountant that goes, you 
know what? 

1349
01:04:57,800 --> 01:04:59,360
Maybe we won't take so much old 
power. 

1350
01:04:59,360 --> 01:05:01,360
Maybe we won't What? 
We want their car more, a little

1351
01:05:01,360 --> 01:05:02,520
bit more than that. 
Yeah. 

1352
01:05:02,520 --> 01:05:05,040
But suddenly it's like, give us 
as much abarrage as you can. 

1353
01:05:05,040 --> 01:05:07,120
You can give us and now. 
You can my week well. 

1354
01:05:07,880 --> 01:05:08,760
Yeah, yeah. 
So can you. 

1355
01:05:08,800 --> 01:05:11,280
Now you can go back and say, 
listen guys, we've got to 

1356
01:05:11,280 --> 01:05:13,680
prioritize for people who have 
been good to us in the. 

1357
01:05:13,680 --> 01:05:17,480
Past a a little bit I would say 
again, it's about it's about 

1358
01:05:17,480 --> 01:05:20,480
reach and distribution as well 
but I mean people who have 

1359
01:05:20,480 --> 01:05:23,360
supported Opeth and Mctalla and 
car Moore from the start yeah 

1360
01:05:23,360 --> 01:05:27,040
they'll they'll get Abargi and 
and we we appreciate that Also 

1361
01:05:27,040 --> 01:05:30,440
worth saying that car Moore 
Opeth and Mctalla are not going 

1362
01:05:30,440 --> 01:05:34,480
anywhere it's not like OK these 
these guys have allowed us to be

1363
01:05:34,480 --> 01:05:37,640
very patient with this and bring
it out when it's ready I say 

1364
01:05:37,640 --> 01:05:40,680
these guys these brands and we 
spent a lot of time and money 

1365
01:05:40,680 --> 01:05:43,400
building them and putting really
high quality drums in a bottle 

1366
01:05:44,000 --> 01:05:46,320
there's. 
Well, let's say you wouldn't do 

1367
01:05:46,320 --> 01:05:47,400
that to then just get. 
Rid of? 

1368
01:05:47,400 --> 01:05:49,480
No, you're not. 
Going to do Mcgourne Mcfailed 

1369
01:05:49,480 --> 01:05:50,400
it. 
You say that's it. 

1370
01:05:50,400 --> 01:06:01,680
We're going to shut our doors as
an independent bowl, right? 

1371
01:06:01,680 --> 01:06:03,600
What we'll do is we'll stop 
there for these. 

1372
01:06:03,600 --> 01:06:06,160
We'll finish these two drums. 
We'll go around and reload this 

1373
01:06:06,160 --> 01:06:07,800
for the last two drums of the 
evening. 

1374
01:06:08,480 --> 01:06:09,640
Cheers, Pam, thank you very 
much. 

1375
01:06:09,640 --> 01:06:12,040
Cheers, right. 
I guess clap us in. 

1376
01:06:13,160 --> 01:06:17,920
I didn't clap you in before. 
Welcome back to the whiskey 

1377
01:06:17,920 --> 01:06:19,760
stories. 
Baller blinded a star Marcy to 

1378
01:06:19,800 --> 01:06:26,160
Sellers ending as Lee. 
That was even better the first 

1379
01:06:26,160 --> 01:06:28,680
time. 
No, I'm glad you did that. 

1380
01:06:28,680 --> 01:06:30,840
I was waiting for you to mess up
to make a mess of. 

1381
01:06:30,840 --> 01:06:33,000
That, Well, no. 
But what I do have to say is I 

1382
01:06:33,000 --> 01:06:35,120
do have to. 
I want to put on public record 

1383
01:06:35,120 --> 01:06:39,560
an apology. 
I've been contacted from a 

1384
01:06:39,560 --> 01:06:41,080
representative of Gordon 
Macphail. 

1385
01:06:41,640 --> 01:06:43,800
Want to just clarify they have 
not closed their doors. 

1386
01:06:46,400 --> 01:06:48,400
I say that I. 
Was. 

1387
01:06:48,480 --> 01:06:51,000
I'd had a DRAM or two. 
I was wrong in what I said. 

1388
01:06:52,320 --> 01:06:55,040
What actually has happened is 
that, I mean the stock that 

1389
01:06:55,040 --> 01:06:57,880
those guys have will continue 
for long into the future. 

1390
01:06:57,880 --> 01:06:59,960
We'll probably out see the two 
of us I guess. 

1391
01:07:00,120 --> 01:07:02,360
Almost certainly and. 
Here's hoping they do because 

1392
01:07:02,360 --> 01:07:04,680
they're a cracking bunch of labs
and ladies. 

1393
01:07:05,440 --> 01:07:06,640
Thanks. 
That's it. 

1394
01:07:06,840 --> 01:07:07,960
There we go. 
So that's it. 

1395
01:07:08,080 --> 01:07:09,960
Don't say, don't say. 
We never retract. 

1396
01:07:09,960 --> 01:07:13,200
But what I was saying before I 
forgot to hit the record button,

1397
01:07:13,200 --> 01:07:18,440
there was Mctalla. 
I'm excited for this. 

1398
01:07:18,480 --> 01:07:20,600
The room does smell a little bit
smokier I guess. 

1399
01:07:20,760 --> 01:07:23,280
It does. 
There's a nice rugged Isla smell

1400
01:07:23,280 --> 01:07:24,000
to the room. 
There's a. 

1401
01:07:24,040 --> 01:07:28,840
Few in the air, you can say 
that, but but actually Tam, you 

1402
01:07:28,880 --> 01:07:33,240
brought in sample bottle on the 
episode that you came in and it 

1403
01:07:33,240 --> 01:07:36,680
was a Mctalla phase release. 
And I can remember just being 

1404
01:07:36,680 --> 01:07:40,640
like, oh, God, Because at that 
point I wasn't pretending to 

1405
01:07:40,640 --> 01:07:43,320
like, I wasn't pretending to 
like, peated whiskey. 

1406
01:07:43,400 --> 01:07:45,960
You're pretending to dislike. 
It, well, I wasn't pretending. 

1407
01:07:45,960 --> 01:07:48,000
I just didn't like it. 
Actively disliked. 

1408
01:07:48,160 --> 01:07:51,320
I've spoken about it plenty of 
times before and you know 

1409
01:07:51,320 --> 01:07:55,000
actually, well and I'm not just 
saying this to blow peated smoke

1410
01:07:55,000 --> 01:07:58,600
up your backside, but that's 
good. 

1411
01:07:58,600 --> 01:08:02,680
Yeah, I did actually enjoy it. 
Now whatever happens and Ross 

1412
01:08:02,680 --> 01:08:05,000
may listen to this and he'll 
just sit there and no matter 

1413
01:08:05,000 --> 01:08:09,480
what happens now, anytime I'll 
taste beated whiskey and I enjoy

1414
01:08:09,480 --> 01:08:11,360
it, Ross will go, Nah, you're 
pretending, you're pretending 

1415
01:08:12,200 --> 01:08:14,240
because I'm so averse to it. 
But I'm excited for this. 

1416
01:08:14,280 --> 01:08:16,560
So we again, I think what we're 
going to do with these two drums

1417
01:08:16,560 --> 01:08:18,479
is we're going to do them side 
by side like we did with the old

1418
01:08:18,479 --> 01:08:20,439
Perth. 
So talk us through the 1st drum 

1419
01:08:20,439 --> 01:08:24,000
that was poured, which I believe
is probably the less and the the

1420
01:08:24,000 --> 01:08:25,800
clearer one, the the the less, 
yeah. 

1421
01:08:25,800 --> 01:08:27,840
Yeah, there's a big colour 
difference between these two. 

1422
01:08:27,880 --> 01:08:31,279
Probably the two easiest to tell
apart of, of the evening. 

1423
01:08:32,279 --> 01:08:34,920
It's, it's funny you say about, 
about peat whiskey in general. 

1424
01:08:34,920 --> 01:08:37,640
Like for me, it's, it's not 
simply peat or unpeted. 

1425
01:08:37,640 --> 01:08:40,479
It's, it's a real scale. 
Like it's, it's not, it's, or 

1426
01:08:40,479 --> 01:08:43,640
it's not just peated whiskey. 
It's, it's a scale of lots of 

1427
01:08:43,640 --> 01:08:46,720
different factors. 
And that's, it's like, you know,

1428
01:08:46,720 --> 01:08:49,120
saying you don't like the whole 
category of, of wine or beer or 

1429
01:08:49,120 --> 01:08:52,240
whatever. 
So Mctalla is all about a 

1430
01:08:52,240 --> 01:08:53,880
journey of, of flavour across 
Isla. 

1431
01:08:53,880 --> 01:08:57,560
We mentioned Morrison connection
to, to Isla with, with Bulwar 

1432
01:08:57,560 --> 01:09:00,160
distillery. 
Now we're no longer tied to 1 

1433
01:09:00,200 --> 01:09:03,560
distillery or one style. 
So we are looking to showcase 

1434
01:09:03,560 --> 01:09:07,840
variety, showcase diversity and 
hopefully between this two DRAM 

1435
01:09:07,840 --> 01:09:09,120
tastes. 
And you can see what Mctalla is 

1436
01:09:09,120 --> 01:09:13,920
all about the the lighter colour
one is Mctalla Mara. 

1437
01:09:14,240 --> 01:09:18,920
So Mctalla means echo. 
So it's the Morrison family. 

1438
01:09:19,000 --> 01:09:25,920
EEE shocking. 
Terrible. 

1439
01:09:29,120 --> 01:09:36,560
We weren't recording. 
So with our core range, and I'll

1440
01:09:36,560 --> 01:09:38,920
go back to core range because I 
think it's really important of 

1441
01:09:39,040 --> 01:09:41,080
being able to produce something 
as an independent bottler. 

1442
01:09:41,080 --> 01:09:43,720
We buy new make spirit from 
various Isla distilleries. 

1443
01:09:43,720 --> 01:09:47,160
We mature it ourselves. 
Each Mctalla is an Isla single 

1444
01:09:47,160 --> 01:09:50,880
malt, various different styles 
and and flavour profiles across 

1445
01:09:50,880 --> 01:09:52,920
the range. 
So Mctalla, Mara, Mara, be in 

1446
01:09:52,920 --> 01:09:55,680
the sea. 
This is at cash strength, so 

1447
01:09:56,080 --> 01:09:59,080
take care. 
My guess it's 58.2%. 

1448
01:09:59,320 --> 01:10:03,080
And for me, it's like really 
salty, really citrusy, doesn't 

1449
01:10:03,080 --> 01:10:08,240
drink like 58.2. 
Yeah, like just like bright kind

1450
01:10:08,240 --> 01:10:11,840
of salt. 
The caramel vibes for me, very, 

1451
01:10:12,000 --> 01:10:15,640
very typical from Isla, I guess,
however you categorize that, 

1452
01:10:15,640 --> 01:10:17,960
whether it's 11 style or the 
other. 

1453
01:10:17,960 --> 01:10:22,440
But yeah, full bourbon cash 
maturation, believe it or not, I

1454
01:10:22,440 --> 01:10:25,400
guess across the range, if you 
couldn't tell, we don't chill, 

1455
01:10:25,400 --> 01:10:27,440
filter or add colour to anything
that we do. 

1456
01:10:28,400 --> 01:10:31,680
So this is full bourbon, cash 
maturation, nice and salty, nice

1457
01:10:31,680 --> 01:10:35,280
and citrusy, and of course a 
little bit of smoke in there as 

1458
01:10:35,280 --> 01:10:35,880
well. 
Yeah. 

1459
01:10:35,960 --> 01:10:38,200
So everything from Mctalla comes
from Isla then. 

1460
01:10:38,240 --> 01:10:40,560
Exactly. 
I'll always be an Isla single 

1461
01:10:40,560 --> 01:10:42,840
malt, an Isla single malt and 
pitted as well. 

1462
01:10:42,840 --> 01:10:45,480
Because one of the things like 
you've just said is, I mean, 

1463
01:10:45,480 --> 01:10:48,120
I've mentioned it plenty of 
times that the, the opening was,

1464
01:10:48,120 --> 01:10:51,040
it was the hard beg when we went
to, in fact, Vicky, Vicky, you 

1465
01:10:51,040 --> 01:10:54,280
were there, Vicky Elliott, you 
were there that day for the 

1466
01:10:55,360 --> 01:10:57,920
Whiskey fringe. 
And we were, we got early 

1467
01:10:57,920 --> 01:11:00,800
access. 
You were, you were hanging 

1468
01:11:00,920 --> 01:11:04,040
because you'd be at whiskey 
privacy this Sunday and Vicky 

1469
01:11:04,040 --> 01:11:08,040
was holding the camera for us. 
But we, we got there and, and 

1470
01:11:08,200 --> 01:11:11,040
basically the first the, the we 
got there early doors. 

1471
01:11:11,040 --> 01:11:13,680
I was at half ten. 
We had a coffee, we did a bit of

1472
01:11:13,680 --> 01:11:17,400
chat and then we got in and the 
first access that we were given 

1473
01:11:17,400 --> 01:11:20,520
was our begged area. 
So it was like 11 Sunday. 

1474
01:11:20,600 --> 01:11:22,640
Yeah, 11. 
O'clock on a Sunday morning and 

1475
01:11:22,640 --> 01:11:24,400
the first 3 drams that we were 
going to be drinking. 

1476
01:11:24,400 --> 01:11:27,080
Graham was scared that Whiskey 
Fringe was about to be ruined 

1477
01:11:27,080 --> 01:11:28,480
for him. 
Yeah, I genuinely was. 

1478
01:11:28,480 --> 01:11:30,920
But when it was broken down and 
it was just like what you said, 

1479
01:11:31,040 --> 01:11:33,000
damn. 
It's like there is a scale of 

1480
01:11:33,160 --> 01:11:36,120
peat that you can have and 
there's softer, gentler peat. 

1481
01:11:36,120 --> 01:11:38,840
There's there's, there's heavier
smoky, there's the TC. 

1482
01:11:38,880 --> 01:11:42,280
Everyone always goes to Isla. 
And then for people, what I 

1483
01:11:42,280 --> 01:11:44,920
would used to say is just smells
like iodine or TCP. 

1484
01:11:44,920 --> 01:11:47,640
But actually what we do know is 
that now if I'm opening up, 

1485
01:11:47,680 --> 01:11:49,960
there's bonfire smoke, Smokey 
bacon, there's loads and loads 

1486
01:11:49,960 --> 01:11:51,440
of different. 
Because I mean, people ask me 

1487
01:11:51,440 --> 01:11:54,640
because I would say, you know, 
Russell wax lyrical about my 

1488
01:11:54,920 --> 01:11:56,480
pizzas. 
Oh wait, he's not here to go. 

1489
01:11:56,800 --> 01:11:59,400
But I don't actually like pea 
and whiskey, so I always ask 

1490
01:11:59,400 --> 01:12:00,240
Angus. 
I know. 

1491
01:12:00,240 --> 01:12:03,160
Yeah, exactly. 
But I would say I I. 

1492
01:12:03,840 --> 01:12:07,520
When it's almost like it's in 
the room, it's almost. 

1493
01:12:07,520 --> 01:12:10,360
Like, but I would say I placed 
myself somewhere in the middle 

1494
01:12:10,360 --> 01:12:12,280
and I kind of prefer like medium
pizzas. 

1495
01:12:12,280 --> 01:12:14,680
I don't like the kind of 
optimores, the kind of really, 

1496
01:12:15,000 --> 01:12:17,760
really strongly beated. 
I'm a lot turns me off a little 

1497
01:12:17,760 --> 01:12:20,200
bit, but equally I like a little
bit of something there but. 

1498
01:12:20,200 --> 01:12:23,040
I'd almost argue that ultimately
is less pity than like the frog,

1499
01:12:23,040 --> 01:12:24,400
yeah. 
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

1500
01:12:24,480 --> 01:12:27,440
I think that's supposed to be 
cuts, but like, yeah, I am. 

1501
01:12:27,560 --> 01:12:31,080
I am on the same view. 
Like the frog I've described as 

1502
01:12:31,120 --> 01:12:33,600
like, sibling bullying. 
Yeah, like. 

1503
01:12:34,920 --> 01:12:38,320
Like, and I have to admit as 
well, the frog. 

1504
01:12:38,320 --> 01:12:41,520
Always comes with my dad. 
But if you're the bully. 

1505
01:12:43,720 --> 01:12:47,320
Lefrog isn't. 
Lefrog isn't a choice making 

1506
01:12:47,800 --> 01:12:54,080
again that that heated that TCP.
Isn't very much like, like very 

1507
01:12:54,120 --> 01:12:56,400
Tokyo drift and burning hospital
vibes. 

1508
01:12:56,600 --> 01:13:04,920
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
God, I'll do these side by side,

1509
01:13:04,920 --> 01:13:07,320
so we might as well introduce a 
second drive as well. 

1510
01:13:07,480 --> 01:13:12,360
Absolutely and moving on. 
I'm from sibling bullying and 

1511
01:13:12,360 --> 01:13:15,600
burning hospital. 
We've all. 

1512
01:13:18,320 --> 01:13:24,520
Got our cherished memories. 
So, so this is I brought these 

1513
01:13:24,520 --> 01:13:26,760
two drams. 
It could have been a various 

1514
01:13:26,760 --> 01:13:30,160
different Mccalla's I guess this
is full bourbon cash maturation.

1515
01:13:30,320 --> 01:13:32,560
This, as the name suggests, 
Mccalla PX. 

1516
01:13:32,560 --> 01:13:34,640
This is our 2026 limited 
edition. 

1517
01:13:34,640 --> 01:13:37,480
So we'll do an annual release 
that kind of showcases a 

1518
01:13:37,480 --> 01:13:39,680
different style of of Isla 
whiskey. 

1519
01:13:39,680 --> 01:13:43,160
This is full Pedro Jimenez 
Sherry maturation, combination 

1520
01:13:43,160 --> 01:13:46,640
of butts and hogs heads and 
probably a little more gentle on

1521
01:13:46,640 --> 01:13:48,360
the on the smoke, to be honest. 
Definitely. 

1522
01:13:49,120 --> 01:13:50,960
And Sherry. 
Sherry and smoke. 

1523
01:13:50,960 --> 01:13:52,880
Or Sherry and Pete and whiskey. 
Or Isla whiskey. 

1524
01:13:53,240 --> 01:13:54,560
For me, it's just a combination.
Yeah. 

1525
01:13:54,680 --> 01:13:56,200
Made in heavens. 
Yeah, I see. 

1526
01:13:56,480 --> 01:13:59,640
It's interesting because I would
go the other way and my oh, 

1527
01:13:59,920 --> 01:14:02,840
preference, I mean it's. 
You prefer the bourbon and. 

1528
01:14:02,840 --> 01:14:04,920
Bourbon. 
And smoke for me, that sweet and

1529
01:14:04,920 --> 01:14:08,440
smoke element, like I'd beg 10 
for example, because I would 

1530
01:14:08,440 --> 01:14:11,680
disagree with you, because I I 
would go, I would always go with

1531
01:14:11,680 --> 01:14:15,920
the fight, fight, fight, fight. 
Because for me, I've mentioned 

1532
01:14:15,920 --> 01:14:20,400
on the pod Kahomensen egg was a 
big gateway DRAM me that Pete, 

1533
01:14:20,400 --> 01:14:23,800
that Sherry altogether 
fantastic. 

1534
01:14:24,000 --> 01:14:27,200
But this is slightly more dialed
down on. 

1535
01:14:27,200 --> 01:14:29,960
The software What's AB on the 
PX52? 

1536
01:14:30,120 --> 01:14:32,720
It's still cast. 
Well, it's still over 50. 

1537
01:14:32,840 --> 01:14:35,680
Yeah, absolutely. 
But The thing is like this as a 

1538
01:14:35,960 --> 01:14:39,480
2 DRAM, these are very, very 
individual styles of Violet 

1539
01:14:39,480 --> 01:14:40,640
whiskey. 
They're very different. 

1540
01:14:40,920 --> 01:14:43,800
And this is much more of that 
coastal. 

1541
01:14:44,000 --> 01:14:47,480
The PX is, is a little bit of 
that kind of softer, softer 

1542
01:14:47,480 --> 01:14:49,400
smoke. 
And with the Sherry integration.

1543
01:14:49,800 --> 01:14:52,240
And again, we buy these as new 
make spirit and we take them 

1544
01:14:52,480 --> 01:14:57,160
from full kind of lifespan into 
into bottle, which we do on site

1545
01:14:57,160 --> 01:14:59,680
as well. 
So it's about how we create 

1546
01:14:59,680 --> 01:15:03,320
flavour through different 
vintages together, different 

1547
01:15:03,400 --> 01:15:06,600
cast types, different, you know,
all sorts of different things 

1548
01:15:06,600 --> 01:15:09,240
that we do to create metallic, 
to make it make it. 

1549
01:15:09,240 --> 01:15:12,520
A lot of these bottlings, 
vattings of younger spirit and 

1550
01:15:12,520 --> 01:15:14,600
older spirit to find like the 
right point. 

1551
01:15:14,600 --> 01:15:16,800
Yeah. 
I mean a little bit that's why 

1552
01:15:16,800 --> 01:15:20,400
we kind of do non age statement 
mostly because we allows us that

1553
01:15:20,400 --> 01:15:23,400
flexibility to put in older 
stock, a little bit younger 

1554
01:15:23,400 --> 01:15:25,880
stock to to kind of get that get
that balancing act. 

1555
01:15:26,080 --> 01:15:29,840
And when it comes to it, so this
is the thing we we kind of put 

1556
01:15:29,840 --> 01:15:32,520
me in my place when I was asking
you about the old Perth, about 

1557
01:15:33,080 --> 01:15:34,760
giving him more information. 
Yeah. 

1558
01:15:34,960 --> 01:15:38,840
We've spoken to Mike Brown from 
Ian MacLeod is Stiller to 

1559
01:15:39,280 --> 01:15:41,760
Smokehead, you know, one of the 
brands that he works with, 

1560
01:15:41,760 --> 01:15:44,440
Smokehead brand. 
What's great is after a few 

1561
01:15:44,440 --> 01:15:46,520
drums and once the camera's off,
he always tells us where 

1562
01:15:46,520 --> 01:15:50,000
Smokehead comes from. 
Once we've applied the 

1563
01:15:50,000 --> 01:15:53,000
thumbscrew, no. 
No, just for clarity, he doesn't

1564
01:15:53,000 --> 01:15:59,840
but but in terms of does it make
it less complex that like when 

1565
01:15:59,840 --> 01:16:01,680
it comes from as new make 
spirit. 

1566
01:16:01,880 --> 01:16:06,080
Yeah, and you're doing what 
you're doing to it yourselves. 

1567
01:16:06,360 --> 01:16:10,040
It means that there can't be 
people that can distinguish it 

1568
01:16:10,120 --> 01:16:12,280
makes it hard to distinguish, 
you know, very few people. 

1569
01:16:12,280 --> 01:16:14,480
There's how many how many 
distilleries are on Iowa and I 

1570
01:16:14,480 --> 01:16:16,960
what we're talking 12 
distilleries on Iowa. 

1571
01:16:16,960 --> 01:16:21,960
So it it there definitely will 
be people who could identify it 

1572
01:16:21,960 --> 01:16:25,120
potentially, but there. 
But you then have to be dealing 

1573
01:16:25,120 --> 01:16:29,920
with people who are so familiar 
with spirit style that we'd be 

1574
01:16:29,920 --> 01:16:33,480
able to drill all the way down 
to whether or how old this is. 

1575
01:16:33,480 --> 01:16:35,720
We don't know. 
But at the same time, you know, 

1576
01:16:35,720 --> 01:16:39,280
once it's been sold to you guys 
as Spirit, put in your own wood 

1577
01:16:39,280 --> 01:16:43,320
management program, then batted 
as truck saying with older stock

1578
01:16:43,320 --> 01:16:45,680
to then be put out and 
occasionally with. 

1579
01:16:46,400 --> 01:16:48,480
And Peter and Peter spirit from 
the same place, yeah. 

1580
01:16:48,480 --> 01:16:51,240
So it would be almost. 
Hard, you know, like some, some 

1581
01:16:51,240 --> 01:16:53,600
Halo distilleries spirit is 
inconsistent. 

1582
01:16:53,720 --> 01:16:55,960
Yeah. 
So like there's that. 

1583
01:16:57,440 --> 01:17:00,720
So yeah, I mean, and also that 
would also rely on me telling 

1584
01:17:00,720 --> 01:17:03,760
them where it's from after the 
guest, correct? 

1585
01:17:03,760 --> 01:17:05,840
Which I won't do. 
No, but I I think I just think 

1586
01:17:05,840 --> 01:17:07,400
it's interesting when you're 
looking at don't guess. 

1587
01:17:07,840 --> 01:17:10,160
Yeah, no, but it's just when you
talk about the old Perth and you

1588
01:17:10,160 --> 01:17:12,000
look at how many distilleries 
are in space site. 

1589
01:17:12,000 --> 01:17:15,120
Yeah, you can't. 
You would if anyone was able to 

1590
01:17:15,120 --> 01:17:17,680
narrow, especially in a blind. 
Impossible. 

1591
01:17:17,680 --> 01:17:19,880
Yeah, I'll put it out there. 
That's impossible, right. 

1592
01:17:20,040 --> 01:17:22,520
But then there will be people 
who will drink Metalla and there

1593
01:17:22,520 --> 01:17:25,320
will be people that drink 
Smokehead that will try really, 

1594
01:17:25,320 --> 01:17:28,040
really hard and will be 
convinced, but they are 

1595
01:17:28,080 --> 01:17:30,640
absolutely certain where that 
spirit is coming from. 

1596
01:17:30,640 --> 01:17:33,280
Yeah, but at the same time, when
you actually break it all the 

1597
01:17:33,280 --> 01:17:36,960
way down and you go, you think 
yourself even an island, there 

1598
01:17:36,960 --> 01:17:39,320
only been 12 distilleries. 
It shouldn't actually be that 

1599
01:17:39,320 --> 01:17:41,520
difficult. 
But it just goes to show that 

1600
01:17:41,560 --> 01:17:46,600
with spirit character added into
another brands wood management 

1601
01:17:46,600 --> 01:17:49,560
program and that would almost 
make it semi impossible as well.

1602
01:17:49,560 --> 01:17:51,280
Or the type of people. 
Yeah, I mean, we're not trying 

1603
01:17:51,280 --> 01:17:55,040
to make it impossible in terms 
of like, OK, like that's not a 

1604
01:17:55,160 --> 01:17:56,560
it's not necessarily a guessing 
game. 

1605
01:17:56,560 --> 01:17:59,240
It's it's we want it to taste 
how we want it to taste. 

1606
01:17:59,240 --> 01:18:00,520
We want it to be Isla single 
mole. 

1607
01:18:00,520 --> 01:18:03,040
It'll always be Metalla will 
always be Isla single mole. 

1608
01:18:03,400 --> 01:18:07,200
It'll be a journey of flavour 
across, across in terms of of 

1609
01:18:07,200 --> 01:18:11,120
makeup and in terms of what 
what's in the glass, like even 

1610
01:18:11,120 --> 01:18:13,000
from A2 DRAM taste. 
And you can kind of be like, OK,

1611
01:18:13,000 --> 01:18:15,240
these are quite clearly very 
different drams. 

1612
01:18:15,240 --> 01:18:18,800
It's not just the same one done 
in different ways, very 

1613
01:18:18,800 --> 01:18:21,360
different ways or different 
vintages or etcetera. 

1614
01:18:21,640 --> 01:18:25,080
And then sometimes it'll be, you
know, people keep keeping people

1615
01:18:25,080 --> 01:18:28,920
guessing as well with like, oh, 
this is doesn't taste anything 

1616
01:18:28,920 --> 01:18:29,800
like it. 
It is. 

1617
01:18:30,120 --> 01:18:31,880
But for me, it's a perception 
thing, right? 

1618
01:18:31,880 --> 01:18:34,880
So if I tell you this is I don't
know, inserts tell you this is 

1619
01:18:34,880 --> 01:18:36,880
Port Ellen, then you have a. 
Or lagging Bay. 

1620
01:18:37,320 --> 01:18:39,200
Whatever the two distilleries is
definitely not. 

1621
01:18:41,080 --> 01:18:44,800
You have a you have a perception
of what it should taste like. 

1622
01:18:44,800 --> 01:18:48,120
And also when you own a 
distillery like boom or you have

1623
01:18:48,120 --> 01:18:50,960
an obligation to say this has to
taste like a boom. 

1624
01:18:50,960 --> 01:18:52,320
Yeah, this is what people 
expect. 

1625
01:18:52,680 --> 01:18:56,240
But we have not not that 
obligation to say this has to 

1626
01:18:56,240 --> 01:18:58,920
taste a certain way because it 
has this on the label. 

1627
01:18:58,920 --> 01:19:01,240
So it gives us a bit of 
flexibility to say we want to 

1628
01:19:01,240 --> 01:19:04,800
make really good either single 
malt whiskey done in a variety 

1629
01:19:04,800 --> 01:19:05,920
of ways. 
Because that's probably quite 

1630
01:19:05,920 --> 01:19:10,760
freeing as well, like taking the
spirit from XYZ distillery and 

1631
01:19:10,760 --> 01:19:14,400
then just maybe more blending it
and maturing it for a flavour 

1632
01:19:14,400 --> 01:19:17,160
profile rather than to. 
Stay spirit character. 

1633
01:19:17,160 --> 01:19:19,240
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. 
But I'd say that's quite, again,

1634
01:19:19,240 --> 01:19:21,600
it's quite freeing because 
you're not selling this 

1635
01:19:21,600 --> 01:19:23,520
distillery or that disorder, 
you're selling Isla. 

1636
01:19:23,560 --> 01:19:26,600
This is Isla, absolutely. 
And this is what it's, you know.

1637
01:19:26,800 --> 01:19:30,600
So like for for we also do a 
phase aisle or a face release 

1638
01:19:30,600 --> 01:19:33,800
every year, was that? 
A rum cast when? 

1639
01:19:33,840 --> 01:19:35,520
You brought in, was it? 
We had a rum cast. 

1640
01:19:35,520 --> 01:19:36,200
Yeah. 
So it was. 

1641
01:19:36,680 --> 01:19:39,240
It was 10 years in bourbon and 
then five years in first fill 

1642
01:19:39,240 --> 01:19:39,800
rum. 
Yeah. 

1643
01:19:40,120 --> 01:19:42,640
Or four years, 11 months and two
weeks. 

1644
01:19:45,840 --> 01:19:48,560
And that was a beauty. 
And then we said Amaroni last 

1645
01:19:48,560 --> 01:19:50,520
year, which read Italian red 
wine. 

1646
01:19:50,520 --> 01:19:54,280
And the last two years that 
we've done Isla Whiskey 

1647
01:19:54,280 --> 01:19:57,720
Festival, we go over like call 
it work because. 

1648
01:19:58,080 --> 01:19:59,800
What do you do for that because 
you don't have a base? 

1649
01:19:59,800 --> 01:20:02,080
Exactly. 
So we in terms of activation 

1650
01:20:02,080 --> 01:20:05,920
last year we did, we lent into 
Italy to Isla with Amaroni. 

1651
01:20:05,920 --> 01:20:08,840
So we did. 
Pizza matched with drams, so we 

1652
01:20:08,840 --> 01:20:12,960
did 6 slices, 6 drams, like just
just a really, really, really 

1653
01:20:12,960 --> 01:20:16,040
fun taste. 
And we also did a a walking 

1654
01:20:16,040 --> 01:20:17,720
tour. 
So we want to celebrate the 

1655
01:20:17,720 --> 01:20:21,320
landscape of Isla Mara being the
sea, we have Terra strata and 

1656
01:20:21,320 --> 01:20:23,600
flora. 
So we want to celebrate the the 

1657
01:20:23,600 --> 01:20:26,160
landscape of Isla. 
We don't have a distillery base,

1658
01:20:26,160 --> 01:20:28,200
so we want to. 
So we did a walking tour. 

1659
01:20:28,440 --> 01:20:32,080
So we had one of the guys, 
Dougie, who's a local, he's a 

1660
01:20:32,080 --> 01:20:35,800
walking tour guide and we went 
all around the island and, and 

1661
01:20:35,840 --> 01:20:39,160
had a drama and, you know, on 
the beach in the, in the woods 

1662
01:20:39,160 --> 01:20:41,760
and like really, really fun 
thing to do. 

1663
01:20:41,760 --> 01:20:44,200
Like really interactive, like 
not just a distillery tour like.

1664
01:20:44,360 --> 01:20:47,240
You celebrate, you say it's a 
fun thing to do, but I, when I 

1665
01:20:47,240 --> 01:20:53,320
went to Isla, I, I, no, I went 
to, I went, I went to, I went, 

1666
01:20:53,320 --> 01:20:58,120
I, I took the current wife, the 
then fiance to a cast strength 

1667
01:20:58,120 --> 01:21:01,960
Lagavulin tasting at 10 AM and 
then in the and then after that 

1668
01:21:01,960 --> 01:21:03,600
I drove up and we went for a 
walk on the cliffs. 

1669
01:21:03,600 --> 01:21:07,320
I wouldn't recommend it, no. 
Yeah, it was. 

1670
01:21:07,840 --> 01:21:09,520
Well, it's funny. 
Because you also, I also 

1671
01:21:09,520 --> 01:21:11,400
couldn't see beyond my arms 
because of the fog. 

1672
01:21:12,960 --> 01:21:16,360
Again, I know, I know. 
It's funny because we did it two

1673
01:21:16,360 --> 01:21:18,720
years in a row. 
The first year was like 

1674
01:21:19,360 --> 01:21:22,160
tropical, like I was wearing 
shorts, T-shirt, like it was 

1675
01:21:22,160 --> 01:21:24,400
about 20°. 
It was gorgeous. 

1676
01:21:24,760 --> 01:21:28,440
The second year we did it, we 
were on like ferry watch to see 

1677
01:21:28,440 --> 01:21:30,960
if we were going to make it to 
Isla in the 1st place really. 

1678
01:21:31,080 --> 01:21:36,040
And the morning of the The 
Walking tour, it was sideways 

1679
01:21:36,040 --> 01:21:38,800
rain like, and I was like, no 
one's going to turn up for this.

1680
01:21:39,000 --> 01:21:42,840
Full house, completely full 
house ponchos on like. 

1681
01:21:42,840 --> 01:21:45,520
And it was, it was just as good.
Like people were like this feels

1682
01:21:45,520 --> 01:21:48,520
authentic. 
And yeah, I look, it was great. 

1683
01:21:48,920 --> 01:21:53,160
I've always like felt because 
like with Angus and myself, you 

1684
01:21:53,160 --> 01:21:55,840
know, when we started drinking 
whiskey and started talking 

1685
01:21:55,840 --> 01:21:58,680
about whiskey, I can remember it
was actually, I can remember an 

1686
01:21:58,680 --> 01:22:01,760
afternoon of us going to Diggers
and it was one of the first 

1687
01:22:01,960 --> 01:22:03,520
times we'd actually ever gone to
diggers. 

1688
01:22:03,520 --> 01:22:07,560
And it was like I was purely 
like Sherry, as heavily Sherry 

1689
01:22:07,560 --> 01:22:11,680
as you could possibly get, space
side sort of in the 40% region 

1690
01:22:11,680 --> 01:22:14,280
and you were drinking. 
It was Cohoman and you gave me a

1691
01:22:14,280 --> 01:22:15,640
chance. 
In fact, I remember somebody 

1692
01:22:15,640 --> 01:22:16,640
actually coming over. 
I was good. 

1693
01:22:16,640 --> 01:22:18,120
I could smell that DRAM from 
here. 

1694
01:22:19,000 --> 01:22:20,160
And I could remember this and 
I'd. 

1695
01:22:20,240 --> 01:22:22,480
Just be like no I. 
Can't you buy you buy me dramas?

1696
01:22:22,480 --> 01:22:24,320
I was going, that's incredible, 
really, really nice. 

1697
01:22:24,320 --> 01:22:25,600
And I'd buy you a drama. 
You go. 

1698
01:22:28,080 --> 01:22:31,840
And I always felt a lot and then
I could see like you saw brands 

1699
01:22:31,840 --> 01:22:36,560
like Mctalla or Smokehead coming
up and you see this when 

1700
01:22:36,560 --> 01:22:39,880
someone's into peated whiskey 
and Smokey whiskey, there is 

1701
01:22:39,880 --> 01:22:42,240
this like. 
Fanatical element. 

1702
01:22:42,760 --> 01:22:45,120
There really is this. 
Is like Iowa's world worldwide 

1703
01:22:45,120 --> 01:22:46,680
famous. 
Yeah, and then you're watching 

1704
01:22:46,680 --> 01:22:48,880
what's the Parks and Recreation 
and what's. 

1705
01:22:48,880 --> 01:22:50,080
His name? 
What are Ron? 

1706
01:22:50,280 --> 01:22:53,680
Swanson, Ron Swanson and the lag
of and you suddenly and you see 

1707
01:22:53,680 --> 01:22:55,960
all these people that are 
absolutely obsessed with Smokey 

1708
01:22:55,960 --> 01:22:57,760
whiskey. 
And I genuinely always felt like

1709
01:22:58,280 --> 01:23:00,960
on the outside looking in being 
like, what's the big deal? 

1710
01:23:00,960 --> 01:23:03,480
I don't get it. 
And then starting to understand 

1711
01:23:03,480 --> 01:23:04,920
it a little bit more than 
getting into it. 

1712
01:23:04,920 --> 01:23:08,040
And I really do enjoy it. 
But it's, it's, it's funny 

1713
01:23:08,040 --> 01:23:10,120
hearing or interesting here. 
What you're saying is the fact 

1714
01:23:10,120 --> 01:23:12,640
that I always picture people 
having like you see the ARD Beg 

1715
01:23:12,640 --> 01:23:14,840
fans and they have the ARD Beg 
embassies. 

1716
01:23:15,080 --> 01:23:17,120
You've got a massive collection 
of ARD Beg, haven't you? 

1717
01:23:17,600 --> 01:23:19,600
I mean, how many ARD beg bottles
have you got that you're willing

1718
01:23:19,600 --> 01:23:21,320
to share with the audience? 
How many you've got? 

1719
01:23:22,120 --> 01:23:25,240
7070 bottles of ARD Beg. 
Yeah, see, that's insane. 

1720
01:23:25,520 --> 01:23:27,360
So you get that element, then 
there's that's. 

1721
01:23:27,360 --> 01:23:28,800
Because you love our big style, 
right? 

1722
01:23:28,840 --> 01:23:30,520
Like the spirit character? 
Yeah. 

1723
01:23:30,720 --> 01:23:34,240
And that's so I've always looked
at it from that perspective that

1724
01:23:34,240 --> 01:23:38,560
when I so when you get a brand 
like Mctalla that go, we don't 

1725
01:23:38,560 --> 01:23:39,920
say what we are. 
Yeah. 

1726
01:23:39,920 --> 01:23:42,000
But when you hear yourself 
talking about the code, we're 

1727
01:23:42,000 --> 01:23:44,480
actually just here to celebrate 
whiskey from the island. 

1728
01:23:44,480 --> 01:23:48,800
And so it is there some releases
that are hits and some releases 

1729
01:23:48,800 --> 01:23:51,120
that aren't as big a hit or is 
it always a hit across the 

1730
01:23:51,120 --> 01:23:53,720
board? 
I mean, the variety in releases 

1731
01:23:53,720 --> 01:23:56,760
is really, really broad. 
Like this is actually the second

1732
01:23:56,760 --> 01:24:01,680
PX that we've done. 
We did one for Phase 2023, I 

1733
01:24:01,680 --> 01:24:04,880
think totally different DRAM to 
this. 

1734
01:24:05,240 --> 01:24:07,840
But again, it's, it's, it's 
about having that variety. 

1735
01:24:08,000 --> 01:24:11,480
We did virginal last year, which
was on the softer side. 

1736
01:24:11,480 --> 01:24:16,480
I guess the Super heavily peated
stuff does better because that's

1737
01:24:16,480 --> 01:24:18,240
what is expected, I guess for my
ma. 

1738
01:24:18,560 --> 01:24:21,680
But that's we're not just here 
to do what is what is expected. 

1739
01:24:21,680 --> 01:24:23,280
We're here to celebrate. 
Everything. 

1740
01:24:23,320 --> 01:24:25,080
Everything. 
Diversity and variety and you 

1741
01:24:25,080 --> 01:24:27,280
say everything we've not, not 
everything that we've done is 

1742
01:24:27,280 --> 01:24:30,960
peated like we've done one or 
two unpeated. 

1743
01:24:31,000 --> 01:24:32,040
Releases. 
Oh, interesting. 

1744
01:24:32,200 --> 01:24:34,240
Yeah, yeah. 
And what have you got planned 

1745
01:24:34,240 --> 01:24:37,520
this year from Phase? 
Our release. 

1746
01:24:39,240 --> 01:24:40,320
No, but I mean what are you 
doing? 

1747
01:24:41,360 --> 01:24:44,080
What are you doing in terms of 
are you doing any events on the 

1748
01:24:44,160 --> 01:24:45,480
Ireland? 
Pizzas available. 

1749
01:24:46,440 --> 01:24:50,680
Well, it's, it's funny because 
like with with Abaragi and I say

1750
01:24:50,680 --> 01:24:52,200
that we're, we're a pretty small
team. 

1751
01:24:52,440 --> 01:24:55,640
We'll be at the Independent 
Whiskey Festival on Isla, and we

1752
01:24:55,640 --> 01:24:58,720
might sprinkle in a couple of 
other things, but over the last 

1753
01:24:59,120 --> 01:25:03,560
four years we've done Isla big, 
really, really big. 

1754
01:25:03,560 --> 01:25:07,440
Like full team over events, 
tastings, the lot. 

1755
01:25:08,720 --> 01:25:14,040
Luckily, with Aberragi kind of 
coming alive, this has taken up 

1756
01:25:14,040 --> 01:25:16,600
a lot of our time. 
And not to say that Mctalla is 

1757
01:25:16,720 --> 01:25:19,160
not, it's not a big part of 
that, but it's just time 

1758
01:25:19,160 --> 01:25:20,680
management if. 
You need anyone to go over, 

1759
01:25:20,840 --> 01:25:22,160
We're free. 
Yeah, OK. 

1760
01:25:22,640 --> 01:25:24,600
We're we're happy to help. 
How are your references? 

1761
01:25:24,800 --> 01:25:32,080
Yeah, we're good, but we do OK. 
No, no, we'll be we'll be on 

1762
01:25:32,080 --> 01:25:34,040
Isla for assurance in some 
capacity. 

1763
01:25:34,040 --> 01:25:37,560
It's just yeah, it's it's a big 
year for for Morris and 

1764
01:25:37,560 --> 01:25:41,760
distillers with Aberrargi and 
yeah, the the drum for for face 

1765
01:25:41,760 --> 01:25:44,160
this year. 
Keep an eye out for it's a It's 

1766
01:25:44,160 --> 01:25:46,240
a beauty. 
And in terms of from from an 

1767
01:25:46,240 --> 01:25:47,920
audience point of view, then 
what? 

1768
01:25:47,920 --> 01:25:51,880
Because we've got 2 very sort of
completely different drums here,

1769
01:25:51,880 --> 01:25:54,480
1 heavily peated bourbon. 
What are we thinking? 

1770
01:25:54,480 --> 01:25:56,560
Which one do we like better, the
first one or second one? 

1771
01:25:56,560 --> 01:25:58,520
What we've got? 
PX is gorgeous. 

1772
01:25:59,760 --> 01:26:00,840
PX gorgeous. 
Yeah. 

1773
01:26:00,840 --> 01:26:03,200
Anyone else want to challenge 
that or everyone in agreement? 

1774
01:26:03,200 --> 01:26:06,880
The. 
One that's not PX. 

1775
01:26:07,080 --> 01:26:08,680
It's got that lovely smoked 
mackerel. 

1776
01:26:10,240 --> 01:26:14,080
Yeah, absolutely. 
My grand question do all Iowa 

1777
01:26:14,200 --> 01:26:16,800
whiskies get their malt from 
Ireland? 

1778
01:26:17,480 --> 01:26:20,640
So because there's Island peaks 
and there's mainland peak which 

1779
01:26:21,120 --> 01:26:22,640
are quite different. 
Yeah, they're Pete or they're 

1780
01:26:22,640 --> 01:26:23,400
Malt. 
Sorry, the. 

1781
01:26:25,120 --> 01:26:27,080
Malted barley, is it all for the
peak? 

1782
01:26:27,120 --> 01:26:29,880
For the malted barley are they 
all getting from Port Charlotte,

1783
01:26:30,400 --> 01:26:34,000
which I presume is all the peak?
I mean there's Port Charlotte 

1784
01:26:34,840 --> 01:26:37,320
Maltings is it get all its peak 
from the island? 

1785
01:26:37,320 --> 01:26:40,920
Port Island. 
Port Island I would. 

1786
01:26:41,400 --> 01:26:43,480
I would, I would. 
I don't know the answer but I 

1787
01:26:43,480 --> 01:26:47,680
would argue like financially it 
would make more sense to not 

1788
01:26:47,680 --> 01:26:50,320
ship it off the island to get 
smoked rather than do on. 

1789
01:26:50,920 --> 01:26:54,120
I think because I said Port 
Ellen only services a few of the

1790
01:26:54,120 --> 01:26:56,240
distilleries on the island and 
then you. 

1791
01:26:56,240 --> 01:26:59,640
Have, but I know, I know, 
Simpsons do different 

1792
01:27:00,240 --> 01:27:03,400
specifications for. 
The earlier whiskey gave us from

1793
01:27:03,400 --> 01:27:08,040
Simpsons, now Simpsons, yeah. 
But my understanding is that it 

1794
01:27:08,040 --> 01:27:10,000
means that they have is all 
mainland peat. 

1795
01:27:10,120 --> 01:27:12,200
They also do peat at like 
multiple different 

1796
01:27:12,200 --> 01:27:13,920
specifications. 
All right, So what they'll do is

1797
01:27:13,960 --> 01:27:16,440
sell, so they'll they'll, I'd 
imagine. 

1798
01:27:16,520 --> 01:27:18,720
Because they do a lot of stuff 
internationally as well. 

1799
01:27:18,920 --> 01:27:21,240
Yeah. 
So they'll if peat at malt is 

1800
01:27:21,240 --> 01:27:24,200
needed in Australia or sorry, 
they won't. 

1801
01:27:25,080 --> 01:27:26,320
Get the peat from. 
Australia. 

1802
01:27:26,360 --> 01:27:26,800
No. 
No. 

1803
01:27:26,920 --> 01:27:28,960
No peat it. 
Here and then ship it to because

1804
01:27:28,960 --> 01:27:30,640
what? 
I'm saying, is that the peat 

1805
01:27:30,640 --> 01:27:33,080
from Ila? 
Very specific, very different. 

1806
01:27:33,200 --> 01:27:36,360
Peat from the Yeah, from the 
North Harbor, yeah. 

1807
01:27:36,520 --> 01:27:39,120
Your base composition is going 
to be completely different. 

1808
01:27:39,120 --> 01:27:43,200
So I think that, I think I mean,
so basically, I don't know if 

1809
01:27:43,200 --> 01:27:44,800
anyone here knows. 
I was actually in India 

1810
01:27:45,320 --> 01:27:45,960
recently. 
Yeah. 

1811
01:27:47,120 --> 01:27:47,840
Yeah. 
I knew. 

1812
01:27:47,840 --> 01:27:49,160
You weren't worried. 
What? 

1813
01:27:49,560 --> 01:27:52,160
Were you doing over there? 
Why were you in India? 

1814
01:27:52,320 --> 01:27:55,680
Like I just took it to. 
You like an hour and a half of 

1815
01:27:55,680 --> 01:27:58,600
a. 
I know, but I know you've done 

1816
01:27:58,600 --> 01:28:00,520
very well. 
I went, I went to find myself. 

1817
01:28:00,520 --> 01:28:09,000
But what did you find? 
But what I would say is Paul 

1818
01:28:09,000 --> 01:28:14,320
John, for example, Paul John 
import Scottish P from the 

1819
01:28:14,320 --> 01:28:18,000
Scotland Scottish Highlands to 
India to give to their mobsters 

1820
01:28:18,120 --> 01:28:20,560
in Rajasthan. 
And that's where they, so I'd 

1821
01:28:20,560 --> 01:28:23,040
imagine, and maybe there's 
people in the room who know a 

1822
01:28:23,040 --> 01:28:25,840
little bit more about this than 
I do, But I what I do know is 

1823
01:28:25,840 --> 01:28:29,680
that Port Ellen malting service 
some of the distilleries that 

1824
01:28:29,680 --> 01:28:33,920
are on the island and then other
malt barley, malted barley comes

1825
01:28:33,920 --> 01:28:36,480
onto the island. 
But I'd imagine that the peat 

1826
01:28:36,600 --> 01:28:39,200
comes from Isla. 
And like what Chuck was saying, 

1827
01:28:39,200 --> 01:28:43,320
like someone like Simpsons would
be able to actually malt to 

1828
01:28:43,320 --> 01:28:44,600
specific. 
I mean, they'll malt to 

1829
01:28:44,600 --> 01:28:48,120
specifications for most people. 
They'll say if they've got big 

1830
01:28:48,120 --> 01:28:50,520
contracts with big distillers. 
For everyone, yeah. 

1831
01:28:50,560 --> 01:28:52,400
For everyone, certainly. 
From our point of view, yes. 

1832
01:28:52,400 --> 01:28:53,840
Yeah. 
So they'll say to our argue, 

1833
01:28:53,840 --> 01:28:56,280
what do you, what is the multi, 
what do you want to go to that 

1834
01:28:56,280 --> 01:28:58,800
specification. 
So I'd imagine that there'll be 

1835
01:28:58,800 --> 01:29:01,240
a process where Pete is actually
moved from and that'll be 

1836
01:29:01,240 --> 01:29:02,800
stockpiled. 
It won't just be a, you know. 

1837
01:29:02,800 --> 01:29:04,400
That'll be, I guess. 
That was my question. 

1838
01:29:05,560 --> 01:29:08,840
They can do the specifications. 
For the PPM yeah yeah but the 

1839
01:29:08,840 --> 01:29:11,760
Pete that they'll whether. 
The Pete actually, clearly, 

1840
01:29:11,800 --> 01:29:14,800
actually Pete. 
Yeah, I would, I would argue 

1841
01:29:14,800 --> 01:29:18,280
maybe with if they're doing 
industrial drying on that scale,

1842
01:29:18,280 --> 01:29:21,200
it might be Pete provided by 
customer and by the. 

1843
01:29:21,200 --> 01:29:24,080
Fraser Market and Fraser as soon
as has a point to make here. 

1844
01:29:24,080 --> 01:29:26,560
Hang on. 
Just to try and ask the question

1845
01:29:26,760 --> 01:29:27,480
here. 
So I was at a. 

1846
01:29:28,720 --> 01:29:30,480
Couple years ago. 
So grew a lot of their barley. 

1847
01:29:30,480 --> 01:29:32,400
I think if you just start off I 
think you'll find. 

1848
01:29:37,800 --> 01:29:41,800
I think you'll find. 
I'd like you to so so. 

1849
01:29:41,800 --> 01:29:43,200
Brick Laddie grew a lot of the 
room. 

1850
01:29:43,200 --> 01:29:46,560
Barley but don't have the the 
place to be in the room 

1851
01:29:46,560 --> 01:29:49,160
mountains. 
So they send it over up to the 

1852
01:29:49,160 --> 01:29:51,520
north of Aberdeen, right? 
So it's used in Aberdeenshire 

1853
01:29:51,520 --> 01:29:54,200
peat. 
So grown an Isle of Barley, put 

1854
01:29:54,200 --> 01:29:56,560
mature, both peated with 
Aberdeenshire peat and then 

1855
01:29:56,560 --> 01:30:00,480
brought that to Ireland. 
So it's not one set way for each

1856
01:30:00,480 --> 01:30:02,800
distillery. 
Yeah. 

1857
01:30:03,960 --> 01:30:19,640
Yeah, yeah. 
Yeah, they've got a malted 

1858
01:30:19,640 --> 01:30:35,240
facility, not 100% malted. 
But I suppose I help, I suppose 

1859
01:30:35,440 --> 01:30:39,040
it helps with the fact that 
there can be so many different 

1860
01:30:39,120 --> 01:30:41,520
flavour profiles coming from the
peated side of it. 

1861
01:30:41,800 --> 01:30:44,440
Like when we did that, when it 
was the guy Mungo, his name was,

1862
01:30:44,840 --> 01:30:47,480
and he showed us the paediotic 
table that beg. 

1863
01:30:47,480 --> 01:30:49,480
And it really did. 
And they're talking about how 

1864
01:30:49,480 --> 01:30:53,360
they can break down the phenols 
of every like the flavour 

1865
01:30:53,360 --> 01:30:56,240
profile of every single phenol 
that comes out as a phenol being

1866
01:30:56,600 --> 01:30:59,800
an element of the smoke. 
The smoke sits on the husk of 

1867
01:30:59,800 --> 01:31:02,920
the, of the, of the grain of 
barley when it's peated. 

1868
01:31:03,240 --> 01:31:05,720
And then that get when it's when
it turns into flower and what 

1869
01:31:05,720 --> 01:31:08,440
have you, that's where you get, 
But at the same time, you can 

1870
01:31:08,440 --> 01:31:12,680
suddenly go from this, we can 
get the smoky bacon phenol and 

1871
01:31:12,680 --> 01:31:16,080
the salty phenol. 
And that is what goes in there. 

1872
01:31:16,320 --> 01:31:19,480
And if you're only getting your 
peat from one source, that would

1873
01:31:19,480 --> 01:31:21,240
probably with 12 different 
distilleries, that might 

1874
01:31:21,240 --> 01:31:22,280
actually make it a little bit 
tricky. 

1875
01:31:22,280 --> 01:31:23,920
That's a good question. 
I mean, I think what we can 

1876
01:31:24,040 --> 01:31:27,600
safely say is it's all distilled
on Isla, but everything else is 

1877
01:31:27,600 --> 01:31:29,040
1. 
You know, one size doesn't fit 

1878
01:31:29,040 --> 01:31:31,240
off. 
And I actually think taking it 

1879
01:31:31,240 --> 01:31:34,800
back from my personal my 
opinion, I much prefer the PX 

1880
01:31:34,880 --> 01:31:36,480
DRAM. 
Not much prefer I actually 

1881
01:31:36,480 --> 01:31:39,720
slightly prefer the PX DRAM, but
that tasting though of that 

1882
01:31:39,720 --> 01:31:42,840
smoky mackerel. 
I'm that's exactly what I'm 

1883
01:31:42,840 --> 01:31:45,960
getting from that first time. 
It's like it's like it's like 

1884
01:31:45,960 --> 01:31:48,880
smoke mackerel with macro party 
on an oat cake. 

1885
01:31:49,000 --> 01:31:51,720
Yeah, if we're to take it to the
wanky level. 

1886
01:31:52,200 --> 01:31:55,120
No, no, To finish off the 
wankiness, can you tell us where

1887
01:31:55,120 --> 01:31:56,400
you are when you're eating the 
oat cake? 

1888
01:31:58,520 --> 01:32:02,640
Just. 
In the bath with some tea lights

1889
01:32:02,640 --> 01:32:04,240
because it's smoky. 
There you go. 

1890
01:32:04,280 --> 01:32:05,960
Brilliant. 
Tea lights smoky. 

1891
01:32:06,040 --> 01:32:08,280
How is your relationship with 
your siblings at this point? 

1892
01:32:08,960 --> 01:32:11,920
Well, with Alex. 
I would say with the with the 

1893
01:32:11,920 --> 01:32:16,120
Mara, like it's easy to say 
something that's cash strength 

1894
01:32:16,160 --> 01:32:19,400
and it's booze forwards. 
Yeah, I would say that this is. 

1895
01:32:19,520 --> 01:32:21,360
No different. 
Pretty well integrated with 

1896
01:32:21,680 --> 01:32:25,440
alcohol working with spirit 
working with wood type to have a

1897
01:32:25,440 --> 01:32:28,040
bit of pepperiness like you know
you're drinking it but it's not 

1898
01:32:28,640 --> 01:32:30,960
not just a slap in the face with
with ABV could. 

1899
01:32:31,240 --> 01:32:32,320
You pass on somewhere. 
Yeah. 

1900
01:32:32,320 --> 01:32:36,200
Because does that, does that 
affect you then Sam, when again,

1901
01:32:36,440 --> 01:32:39,680
when you're, because look, we, 
we're often we've, we've had a 

1902
01:32:39,680 --> 01:32:42,160
lot of discussion on the podcast
over the last few weeks about 

1903
01:32:43,320 --> 01:32:46,680
consumerism and who is 
ultimately right when it comes 

1904
01:32:46,680 --> 01:32:49,280
to whiskey. 
And you know, ultimately 

1905
01:32:49,280 --> 01:32:52,040
there'll be people in the room 
that will say, we should have it

1906
01:32:52,040 --> 01:32:55,720
at 46% non chill, filtered, no 
colour, all this kind of stuff. 

1907
01:32:55,720 --> 01:32:59,080
But then you, you're, you've got
a foot in two camps, haven't 

1908
01:32:59,080 --> 01:33:00,520
you? 
Because you're ultimately 

1909
01:33:00,840 --> 01:33:03,400
you're, you're somebody who is 
very, very keen and passionate 

1910
01:33:03,400 --> 01:33:05,280
about whiskey from your 
background and stuff like that. 

1911
01:33:05,360 --> 01:33:08,120
But at the same time, you're 
also somebody that knows what, 

1912
01:33:08,120 --> 01:33:09,680
what will sell, where the market
goes. 

1913
01:33:09,960 --> 01:33:14,360
So ultimately, you know, we know
that slapping an age on things 

1914
01:33:14,360 --> 01:33:16,480
can sometimes sell things a 
little bit easier. 

1915
01:33:16,480 --> 01:33:19,000
We know that giving more 
information about certain caste 

1916
01:33:19,000 --> 01:33:21,400
structures and caste types can 
make it easier. 

1917
01:33:21,400 --> 01:33:23,880
But how does it balance for 
yourself then? 

1918
01:33:24,000 --> 01:33:26,520
I mean, strength is a, you're 
never going to please everyone 

1919
01:33:26,520 --> 01:33:31,280
with strength, like ever. 
For me, if the strength is 

1920
01:33:31,880 --> 01:33:35,480
thought out, that's one thing. 
And if it's and if it feels 

1921
01:33:35,880 --> 01:33:40,120
correct, if it's caste strength,
like we've got kind of batch 

1922
01:33:40,120 --> 01:33:45,320
strength here with the PX and 
with the Bodega and we've got 

1923
01:33:45,320 --> 01:33:47,640
kind of bottling strength for 
the double Sherry wood in the 

1924
01:33:47,640 --> 01:33:50,920
abargie. 
And these feel very much thought

1925
01:33:50,920 --> 01:33:53,040
out like they've been putting a 
bottle at that strength 

1926
01:33:53,240 --> 01:33:55,680
deliberately. 
And some people want everything 

1927
01:33:55,680 --> 01:33:57,400
at cash strength. 
I understand that as well 

1928
01:33:57,400 --> 01:34:00,000
because. 
There's always an argument, you 

1929
01:34:00,000 --> 01:34:02,040
know, with cast strength. 
You can always take it down and 

1930
01:34:02,240 --> 01:34:05,120
you'll get some people. 
But you will you will absolutely

1931
01:34:05,120 --> 01:34:06,280
change the risk sale when you 
bring. 

1932
01:34:06,280 --> 01:34:09,320
It If you're selling something 
at 43 percent, it's like, well, 

1933
01:34:09,320 --> 01:34:11,560
you're just charging me for 
water, you know? 

1934
01:34:11,600 --> 01:34:13,200
Oh yeah. 
And I and I get that as well. 

1935
01:34:13,200 --> 01:34:15,680
And but sometimes you just won't
whiskey in a glass. 

1936
01:34:15,680 --> 01:34:18,800
And it's that it's that 
balancing act of OK, let's let's

1937
01:34:18,800 --> 01:34:21,760
have something at cast strength 
versus let's have something that

1938
01:34:21,760 --> 01:34:24,080
we've felt like it was an 
appropriate bottling strength. 

1939
01:34:24,080 --> 01:34:25,680
But you will never please 
everyone with strength. 

1940
01:34:26,880 --> 01:34:28,560
Ever. 
And I suppose like, you've got 

1941
01:34:28,560 --> 01:34:30,720
the range, like you, you. 
You'll never please everyone 

1942
01:34:30,720 --> 01:34:32,320
with smoky whiskey. 
You'll never please their own 

1943
01:34:32,400 --> 01:34:33,640
single cast whiskey. 
Yeah. 

1944
01:34:33,880 --> 01:34:35,480
But then what? 
You'll never please everyone 

1945
01:34:35,480 --> 01:34:37,480
blind the whiskey out of the 
lineup tonight. 

1946
01:34:37,480 --> 01:34:39,520
You know, when you look at the 
brands that you have in front of

1947
01:34:39,520 --> 01:34:42,600
you when you've got the car more
the Aberrargate, the Old Perv 

1948
01:34:42,640 --> 01:34:46,200
and the Metalla is there one? 
And I suppose Aberrargate has 

1949
01:34:46,320 --> 01:34:48,840
maybe got a wee asterisk beside 
it because it's so new and it's 

1950
01:34:48,840 --> 01:34:51,280
exciting just now. 
But is there one of the brands 

1951
01:34:51,280 --> 01:34:54,800
that you see selling more in the
market than than others? 

1952
01:34:55,600 --> 01:34:59,280
We've had great success with 
Mctalla specifically because 

1953
01:34:59,600 --> 01:35:03,440
we've we've grown a really nice 
following of people that 

1954
01:35:03,440 --> 01:35:07,000
understand it and people that 
can appreciate that we take it 

1955
01:35:07,000 --> 01:35:10,440
from spirit to to bottling. 
We do it all on site and that we

1956
01:35:10,640 --> 01:35:13,400
have done a lot of various 
different stuff with it and with

1957
01:35:13,400 --> 01:35:15,800
various different celebrations 
of, of Isla. 

1958
01:35:16,480 --> 01:35:19,400
Again, we've got 4 products in 
the core range, which are all 

1959
01:35:19,400 --> 01:35:21,680
very different. 
Like if the well this could be a

1960
01:35:21,680 --> 01:35:23,920
Mctalla tasting quite easy where
we go through the four core 

1961
01:35:23,920 --> 01:35:27,520
range and our 2026 limited 
edition, everyone would have a 

1962
01:35:27,720 --> 01:35:31,080
different favorite DRAM. 
And so that's, that's we're 

1963
01:35:31,080 --> 01:35:34,000
doing something correct with 
Mctalla in my, in my opinion and

1964
01:35:34,000 --> 01:35:37,000
we've seen it growing across. 
Does it do well? 

1965
01:35:37,200 --> 01:35:38,240
Yeah. 
I was going to say, does it do 

1966
01:35:38,240 --> 01:35:41,000
well in particular markets? 
Yeah, I mean France has, France 

1967
01:35:41,000 --> 01:35:42,640
has done really well with with 
Mctalla. 

1968
01:35:42,640 --> 01:35:46,600
Germany again really, really 
good growing in the UK as well. 

1969
01:35:47,400 --> 01:35:50,600
But yes, it's about kind of 
getting the message out. 

1970
01:35:50,600 --> 01:35:52,640
And you mentioned our big 
embassies earlier. 

1971
01:35:52,640 --> 01:35:57,880
We've got a lighthouse programme
where people can go and do a bit

1972
01:35:57,880 --> 01:36:01,800
of a discovery of, of Metalla 
where, you know, it's not a paid

1973
01:36:01,800 --> 01:36:04,240
for partnership, It's not here's
lots, lots of money. 

1974
01:36:04,240 --> 01:36:07,120
It's like we're working with 
these people where they are 

1975
01:36:07,160 --> 01:36:09,680
passionate about Metalla. 
We are passionate about Metalla 

1976
01:36:09,680 --> 01:36:11,560
so people can go and discover it
there. 

1977
01:36:11,720 --> 01:36:14,160
Yeah. 
So I mean, really. 

1978
01:36:14,240 --> 01:36:15,480
I mean, we'll go through the 
room then. 

1979
01:36:15,480 --> 01:36:19,960
I mean, it's quite interesting 
what it might do is we'll go. 

1980
01:36:19,960 --> 01:36:23,160
I'll tell you what we'll do. 
Let's try this first old pair 

1981
01:36:23,160 --> 01:36:25,680
for Mctalla. 
What what do we see on that one?

1982
01:36:26,640 --> 01:36:29,840
If you're a picker, A picker 
favorite of the bra of the drums

1983
01:36:29,840 --> 01:36:32,200
that we've had before, we go 
through our favorite drum. 

1984
01:36:32,520 --> 01:36:35,040
If you're a picket down old 
Perth Mctallas are our favorite 

1985
01:36:35,040 --> 01:36:37,680
for for for show me how show 
hands for old pair. 

1986
01:36:39,720 --> 01:36:43,480
Just enjoyable and just idea 
brand everything, everything 

1987
01:36:43,480 --> 01:36:46,680
mixed into one, everything mixed
into one for tonight, for 

1988
01:36:46,680 --> 01:36:49,080
tonight as well. 
So we'll start old Perth, just 

1989
01:36:49,080 --> 01:36:50,160
say. 
Just say liquid. 

1990
01:36:50,160 --> 01:36:53,200
I think that makes sense. 
Right, You enjoy the old Perth, 

1991
01:36:53,200 --> 01:36:53,600
Right. 
OK. 

1992
01:36:53,600 --> 01:36:55,240
And then the Metalla then from 
that fry. 

1993
01:36:55,280 --> 01:36:56,520
OK. 
So yeah, OK, good. 

1994
01:36:56,800 --> 01:36:59,840
And in terms of in terms of 
people who drink peated whiskey,

1995
01:37:00,040 --> 01:37:03,200
is there a few people in the 
room who enjoy a smoky DRAM 

1996
01:37:03,200 --> 01:37:03,800
then? 
So yeah. 

1997
01:37:03,840 --> 01:37:05,320
Yeah, quite a few people there. 
Right. 

1998
01:37:05,320 --> 01:37:06,880
Well, we'll go through from 
Statford. 

1999
01:37:06,880 --> 01:37:09,160
I'll ask Chuck first. 
Chuck, what's your favorite of 

2000
01:37:09,160 --> 01:37:11,520
the night? 
What's the old Perth? 

2001
01:37:11,800 --> 01:37:15,600
The basically the double 
sharing, that's the favorite. 

2002
01:37:16,120 --> 01:37:17,800
OK, very good. 
Angus will be yourself. 

2003
01:37:18,040 --> 01:37:21,720
I'm going to go, I'm going to 
stick with type and say I 

2004
01:37:21,720 --> 01:37:24,720
really, I really like the PX 
metallic. 

2005
01:37:24,840 --> 01:37:26,880
I really like the. 
PX I'm going to say from my 

2006
01:37:26,920 --> 01:37:29,720
point of view, I've actually 
really enjoyed the Mara, which 

2007
01:37:29,720 --> 01:37:33,280
is going to really piss Ross 
off, but there. 

2008
01:37:33,280 --> 01:37:35,840
So let's say a show of hands for
the car more the the Linkwoods, 

2009
01:37:35,880 --> 01:37:37,840
let's say show of hands for that
favorite further. 

2010
01:37:37,960 --> 01:37:39,960
OK, very good. 
Good, strong start there for the

2011
01:37:39,960 --> 01:37:43,280
first one and and then the 
Aberlarge on the single malt. 

2012
01:37:44,800 --> 01:37:46,880
OK, we've got 3-4. 
Yeah, OK, that's fine. 

2013
01:37:47,760 --> 01:37:49,680
Right. 
Then we've got the old perf, 

2014
01:37:50,680 --> 01:37:53,520
which was the double cherry, 
double cherry, double cherry, 

2015
01:37:53,520 --> 01:37:59,200
old Perth double Cherry and then
the Bodega. 

2016
01:38:01,600 --> 01:38:04,720
Enjoying that one, the Mara, 
Mctalla Mara. 

2017
01:38:04,960 --> 01:38:06,760
Yeah, good. 
And then the last one, the 

2018
01:38:06,760 --> 01:38:09,880
Mctalla PX, going for a second 
vote there. 

2019
01:38:09,920 --> 01:38:12,480
Yeah, that's fine. 
Everyone's making up as we're 

2020
01:38:12,520 --> 01:38:22,800
going on. 
I feel in a way, like Pete and 

2021
01:38:22,800 --> 01:38:26,040
Sherry Berman and Sherry, 
there's only one way to find out

2022
01:38:26,040 --> 01:38:27,440
what's best. 
Let's just fight. 

2023
01:38:28,960 --> 01:38:31,680
I think, I mean, to be honest, 
we've had, we've had quite a 

2024
01:38:31,680 --> 01:38:33,920
few, we've done these indie 
bottler spots, We've done a 

2025
01:38:33,920 --> 01:38:36,640
distillery spotlight. 
We've never done the Blinder 

2026
01:38:36,960 --> 01:38:41,160
bottler and the stellar 
Spotlight event, and I think it 

2027
01:38:41,160 --> 01:38:44,120
really does show you, like Tom 
said, he said it two or three 

2028
01:38:44,120 --> 01:38:46,960
times. 
We could be doing a tasting for 

2029
01:38:46,960 --> 01:38:48,920
almost every single. 
Individual brand, and in a way 

2030
01:38:48,920 --> 01:38:51,240
it's that it's probably the 
hardest tasting to pick a 

2031
01:38:51,240 --> 01:38:53,120
favorite because everything's so
different. 

2032
01:38:53,120 --> 01:38:54,480
I would. 
I would totally agree with that.

2033
01:38:54,480 --> 01:38:56,200
That's what I was. 
Going to say, you know that when

2034
01:38:56,200 --> 01:38:58,560
there's a category, yeah, when 
we've had other independent 

2035
01:38:58,560 --> 01:39:01,800
bottlers and it's like right, 
here's 6 independent bottled 

2036
01:39:02,720 --> 01:39:05,640
ABCDEFG. 
Whereas this is like, right? 

2037
01:39:05,640 --> 01:39:08,320
Well, this is a single cask 
whiskey. 

2038
01:39:08,320 --> 01:39:16,800
This is AG7 by the way, G7. 
We do actually have a 

2039
01:39:16,840 --> 01:39:20,120
malpetition in the room. 
Sometimes, sometimes we do get 7

2040
01:39:20,120 --> 01:39:21,120
drafts. 
Only watch 6. 

2041
01:39:21,160 --> 01:39:25,240
Drafts. 
I like what you're saying, I 

2042
01:39:25,960 --> 01:39:32,040
guess, but I suppose it's it's 
very good for a brand, I suppose

2043
01:39:32,040 --> 01:39:35,040
time to have that scale. 
It must be, you know, to be able

2044
01:39:35,040 --> 01:39:37,560
to get so many like there's 
there hasn't been a single drama

2045
01:39:37,560 --> 01:39:39,240
in the room that no one's had 
their hand up for. 

2046
01:39:39,520 --> 01:39:41,720
There's been some drams in the 
room that most people have had 

2047
01:39:41,720 --> 01:39:43,240
their hand up for. 
And there's been drams that have

2048
01:39:43,240 --> 01:39:44,920
been voted for along the way as 
well. 

2049
01:39:44,920 --> 01:39:46,840
So it's it just shows you. 
The well, yeah, there has been 

2050
01:39:46,840 --> 01:39:48,080
the drama. 
Just Chuck it as that. 

2051
01:39:48,080 --> 01:39:52,720
But I mean, but I would say 
Chuck's hands were probably 10 

2052
01:39:52,720 --> 01:39:54,240
people's hands in this room, you
know? 

2053
01:39:56,200 --> 01:39:57,320
I. 
Mean, yeah. 

2054
01:39:57,320 --> 01:39:59,960
I needed that. 
Lucky, lucky with with the 

2055
01:39:59,960 --> 01:40:04,760
portfolio and with the the 
diversity of liquids across the 

2056
01:40:04,760 --> 01:40:09,400
range like favorite, least 
favorite or you know, G's 

2057
01:40:09,400 --> 01:40:13,120
favorite. 
It really like it's it that 

2058
01:40:13,120 --> 01:40:17,280
comes down to personal style of 
what whiskey you like, but I 

2059
01:40:17,280 --> 01:40:18,920
think. 
Hopefully everyone can agree 

2060
01:40:18,920 --> 01:40:22,560
that each each drama is is 
thought out and and of of a high

2061
01:40:22,560 --> 01:40:25,640
quality. 
It's it's but the across the 

2062
01:40:25,640 --> 01:40:27,000
board, we've got a little bit of
everything. 

2063
01:40:27,280 --> 01:40:28,880
Absolutely. 
Well, look, let's show an. 

2064
01:40:28,880 --> 01:40:30,400
Appreciation for time for coming
along. 

2065
01:40:32,400 --> 01:40:34,240
Absolutely. 
Thank you very much. 

2066
01:40:36,240 --> 01:40:37,960
Let's hear of our diggers leaf 
as well. 

2067
01:40:37,960 --> 01:40:43,160
Well, ladies and gentlemen, 
thank you very much. 

2068
01:40:43,280 --> 01:40:44,960
You lesson in the whiskey 
stories. 

2069
01:40:44,960 --> 01:40:49,080
Blame my border disteller. 
Morrison Distillers, Thank