1 00:00:09,480 --> 00:00:13,560 Welcome to Pijotimi Podcast, a show about the subjective past, 2 00:00:13,600 --> 00:00:15,960 present, and potential future of flesh and blood design. 3 00:00:16,320 --> 00:00:19,480 In today's episode, we'll give our reactions to the new Project 4 00:00:19,480 --> 00:00:21,120 Blue. You can find us across all 5 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:24,920 socials such as Blue Sky and Instagram at Pijotimi Podcast. 6 00:00:31,320 --> 00:00:33,000 I'm Clark. I'm Joel. 7 00:00:33,080 --> 00:00:34,960 And I'm fuzzy. We have a lot to get through 8 00:00:35,160 --> 00:00:36,600 this episode. As a give, I just jump right at 9 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:38,600 everyone. Yeah, let's just let's power 10 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:40,640 through this. So last week we talked about 11 00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:43,480 Aurora hitting the legend so quickly and how it might have 12 00:00:43,480 --> 00:00:46,680 left a bad taste in some players mouths, especially new players. 13 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:50,880 And we wanted to give a little bit of space here to follow up 14 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:54,040 on that episode because LSS just released a dev talk. 15 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:57,920 Every single time we record an episode, LSS is like, well, 16 00:00:57,920 --> 00:01:00,200 let's release an official statement about this exact. 17 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:02,400 Thing we did literally say it was Clark. 18 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:05,519 Clark was like, guys, they're gonna do a dev talk about this 19 00:01:05,519 --> 00:01:08,080 right before we release, right? And he was totally right. 20 00:01:08,440 --> 00:01:11,080 Did you guys have any new thoughts now that the dev talk 21 00:01:11,080 --> 00:01:14,640 came out about the whole Aurora? Situation. 22 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:17,440 I don't have any new thoughts, but I do think it was really 23 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:21,080 interesting how in the dev talk, James and Brian seemed really 24 00:01:21,080 --> 00:01:24,840 dejected in how Aurora didn't have a landmark win. 25 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:28,520 Like Aurora did get a ton of top eights at a lot of big events at 26 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:31,800 a lot of the pro tours, a lot of big showings, but she didn't 27 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:36,320 really win worlds. She didn't win the Pro Tours and 28 00:01:36,320 --> 00:01:40,320 she did win at least one calling calling San Paolo, which was a 29 00:01:40,320 --> 00:01:42,360 pretty big deal. So I think they were really 30 00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:47,520 disappointed in that in how many of her points came from PQS and 31 00:01:47,520 --> 00:01:51,520 RTNS, which is different than what we've seen happen to other 32 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:56,040 heroes that have LL, like Zen, Enigma, you know, a a lot of 33 00:01:56,040 --> 00:01:58,640 these other heroes that we've considered demons of the format, 34 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:01,760 that isn't how they've gone out. And that makes Aurora feel a 35 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:04,080 little different. And I think LSS is bothered by 36 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:06,720 that specifically. It's going to be interesting to 37 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:08,960 see how they react to that knowledge. 38 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:12,280 Yeah, how about you, Fuzzy? I want to give a little bit 39 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:14,400 credit to the liver from our discord. 40 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:17,080 He pointed this out to me 'cause I didn't have a chance to listen 41 00:02:17,080 --> 00:02:19,400 to the dev talk directly. I heard they talked about this 42 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:22,080 there too. But if they in the future put 43 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:26,680 more focus on untalented heroes which like granted are the 44 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:30,040 boring ones if you want to get someone to the game, I see why 45 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:32,680 new players get attracted to like the heroes with talents you 46 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:34,200 know I get. That just gonna let them talk 47 00:02:34,200 --> 00:02:39,440 about Kasai like that. But like if you put the new 48 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:42,680 player focus on untalented heroes, then if they rotate out 49 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:45,280 really quickly, if we have a similar situation, then at least 50 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:48,040 they can migrate to another class, another hero in the same 51 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:51,120 Class A lot easier than like a like, what are you going to do 52 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:52,600 with all of your Aurora cards right now? 53 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:57,560 Yeah, I mean, the, the the bulk of the equipment is still like 54 00:02:57,560 --> 00:03:00,680 room blade equipment, dyadic carapace, fine dolls, grasp and 55 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:03,280 face purgatory. That's a pretty big bulk of the 56 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:04,280 cost. That's true. 57 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:07,400 Or you could pivot into like a Cilio, take your Lightning 58 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:10,720 Greaves over there with your fine dolls and like run a lot of 59 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:12,400 the same expensive lightning cards. 60 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:17,920 But you're right, it's not easy and it is not great. 61 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:20,680 It's also true that untalented heroes just rotate out so much 62 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:22,160 slower because they're not as strong. 63 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:24,760 You know, like it's, it's, it's a catch 22. 64 00:03:24,880 --> 00:03:26,640 Yeah, that's. Something that's been on my mind 65 00:03:26,640 --> 00:03:28,840 a little bit more lately now that I hadn't really thought 66 00:03:28,840 --> 00:03:33,560 about when we recorded last. Cool. 67 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:35,520 Want to give a little bit of time to talk about that. 68 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:37,560 It's OK if we move on to our episode, guys. 69 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:41,960 Well, life updates. One of us is a year older now. 70 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:44,280 Since last week. Yeah. 71 00:03:45,160 --> 00:03:47,480 Explain to me this one. I'm well. 72 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:52,200 You see what happened is that someone was 27, uh huh. 73 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:54,480 And now they're 20. 80 That's me. 74 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:57,440 Yeah. Have you oldest fuck boy? 75 00:03:57,720 --> 00:04:00,480 Yeah, my birthday was yesterday. Happy birthday, Fuzzy, Happy 76 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:02,000 birthday. Feels good. 77 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:04,640 We should be doing things for like Pitt and birthdays. 78 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:07,040 No, I think about it. I didn't wanna make a post but 79 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:09,920 it was 9:00 PM when like it finally settled in for me. 80 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:12,440 That was Fuzzies birthday and I was like I'm too tired. 81 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:15,160 You know, the birthday of the show itself is coming up. 82 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:17,839 I don't know. Two year anniversary, yeah. 83 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:21,320 Yeah, yeah. We maybe should have done an 84 00:04:21,320 --> 00:04:23,240 episode for it. I think we might have passed the 85 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:25,480 window. While we figure that out, how 86 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:27,520 excited are you guys for Project to Blue? 87 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:31,720 Yo, so excited. I'm so happy we're talking about 88 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:33,400 Project Blue. Excited enough to make an 89 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:35,440 episode about it? Well, yeah. 90 00:04:36,320 --> 00:04:41,760 Project Blue is a new format that LSS is testing through this 91 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:48,560 new sub team they have at the company called Legend Story 92 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:51,560 Labs. So LSL, we have barely any 93 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:55,920 knowledge about Project Blue or what Legend Story Labs are, but 94 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:58,120 like everybody is in love with this thing. 95 00:04:58,120 --> 00:05:00,600 Everyone's play testing it. There's all sorts of little mini 96 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:02,160 leaks popping up all over the place. 97 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:05,000 People are chirping about all the time on Blue Sky and Twitter 98 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:08,560 and I think it's interesting enough for us to talk about what 99 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:10,240 is going on with this whole situation. 100 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:13,080 And before we get into it, I just want to take a moment to 101 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:17,400 ask you, the viewer, let us know what have you been brewing with 102 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:19,520 Project Blue? It's a little bit more sexy than 103 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:21,840 commoner, so I want to see all the cool builds you have out 104 00:05:21,840 --> 00:05:23,920 there. And what someone making teclo 105 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:25,920 work? I want to know if teclo is 106 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:28,200 viable in this format. One of our viewers wants to know 107 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:31,280 as well. Yeah, in red pitch, we're going 108 00:05:31,280 --> 00:05:35,640 to go over WTF is Project Blue? That'll be on Clark. 109 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:39,240 And then I'm going to talk about format as a design and how Flesh 110 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:43,280 and Blood caters each of their formats to a specific part of 111 00:05:43,280 --> 00:05:45,280 the game. And then Fuzzy is going to go 112 00:05:45,280 --> 00:05:48,560 over our Crucible, which is our own custom format in blue pitch. 113 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:51,520 All right, with that out of the way, let's go on to Red Pitch. 114 00:05:51,520 --> 00:05:53,560 Clark, would you mind taking it away? 115 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:57,000 Yeah. What the heck is Project Blue 116 00:05:57,360 --> 00:05:58,480 like? That's what I asked you. 117 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:02,960 I know, but that's what I'm also asking Legend Story Studios, 118 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:08,840 James White, Brian Gottlieb, all the Devon design team, as well 119 00:06:08,840 --> 00:06:12,880 as the two of you and whoever is running this Legend Story Labs 120 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:16,800 thing. So Legend Stories Lab says that 121 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:20,800 they are the future of tabletop gaming unfolding, and this is 122 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:23,200 the little snippet they have on their website 123 00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:29,720 whichyoucanfind@lssplayground.com. It says Legend Story Labs exists 124 00:06:29,720 --> 00:06:32,760 to uncover exciting new possibilities and innovative 125 00:06:32,760 --> 00:06:37,080 approaches across all aspects of the player experience. 126 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:42,040 Based in AO2, I do not know how to pronounce that city name, but 127 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:43,680 I'm assuming it's a city in New Zealand. 128 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:46,280 Legend Stories Labs serves as our starting point where 129 00:06:46,280 --> 00:06:49,160 concepts are tested, refined in shape before they reach a wider 130 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:51,080 audience. This foundation allows us to 131 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:55,240 work quietly, experimenting with what could change everything. 132 00:06:55,680 --> 00:06:57,640 What's being developed here is just the beginning. 133 00:06:57,760 --> 00:07:01,160 The future of gaming is being written now. 134 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:05,200 Step into the future with us. Yes or no? 135 00:07:06,280 --> 00:07:08,320 Compelling. Very compelling. 136 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:10,360 And also explains literally nothing. 137 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:13,120 Yeah, a marketer wrote that for sure. 138 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:15,400 Yeah, right. Like, very. 139 00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:18,800 It's very exciting. And I like hearing that there is 140 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:22,440 an experimental department at Legend Story Studios that is 141 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:31,720 doing big swings for the game. But what exactly is LS Labs? 142 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:37,000 What are they for? Is this just for formats or do 143 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:39,200 they have something deeper going on? 144 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:43,320 Something more sinister. I, I, I don't want to say 145 00:07:43,320 --> 00:07:45,480 sinister. This goes all over the way to 146 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:49,280 the top. I mean, I'm, I'm almost certain 147 00:07:49,280 --> 00:07:51,320 it does. I'm sure James White signed off 148 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:58,000 on this, but it's really weird how hush hush they are about 149 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:00,400 this. But also, I think they should be 150 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:05,080 hush hush about this, but it's odd because it is public. 151 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:08,840 Like when you click on the yes, you are taken to a public 152 00:08:08,840 --> 00:08:15,000 Discord server, a public. Like are they being hush hush 153 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:16,000 about this? I don't know. 154 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:18,840 This feels like a very open hush hush moment. 155 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:23,640 Like people are making lists on February about this format and 156 00:08:23,640 --> 00:08:26,560 they're playing games against each other, but this technically 157 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:29,320 hasn't even broken into their beta group yet. 158 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:34,080 So LS Labs is organized into an alpha group and a beta group. 159 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:38,360 The alpha group appears to be people specifically in New 160 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:41,559 Zealand, the people in that city where they're based out of right 161 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:46,720 and it or, or at least people who can like connect with them 162 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:50,160 there. The way that everyone found out 163 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:54,560 about Project Blue was that there was an event posted for a 164 00:08:54,560 --> 00:08:58,360 big flesh and blood tournament in New Zealand and they're 165 00:08:58,360 --> 00:09:02,240 promising this really dope sink below promo, which I probably 166 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:03,960 used for the thumbnail of this episode. 167 00:09:04,200 --> 00:09:07,040 Nice. And that was it. 168 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:10,120 And they're just like, hey, Project Blue tournament, show up 169 00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:12,680 and play in New Zealand. Everyone's like what the fuck is 170 00:09:12,680 --> 00:09:14,720 Project? Blue, I mean, the sink below 171 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:16,800 promo is going to get me there. I don't care what the format is. 172 00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:20,880 It's one of the few instances where the FAB like scene is 173 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:23,440 cooler than it is in America, in Socal. 174 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:26,800 You know, normally I'm really happy to be a FAB player in 175 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:29,720 Socal. Yeah, so they say they're being 176 00:09:29,720 --> 00:09:32,640 very hush hush, but they made this really public announcement, 177 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:34,840 which is telling me that like maybe they've been working on 178 00:09:34,840 --> 00:09:39,040 Project Blue for a while actually, and this is like it 179 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:41,640 breaking containment. Maybe. 180 00:09:41,800 --> 00:09:46,960 But this sort of extremely soft release feels really weird. 181 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:51,040 Like, I don't know, does this feel weird to anybody else? 182 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:53,040 No. I think it's a little unclear 183 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:55,200 what their motives are and what their intentions are with it. 184 00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:59,840 Motives again sound so sinister. Not that sinister, but like we 185 00:09:59,840 --> 00:10:02,440 don't really know if LS Labs is something that's going to come 186 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:05,520 up with like new formats every once in a while. 187 00:10:05,680 --> 00:10:07,760 We don't know if like this is just a one off tournament that 188 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:09,600 they wanted to try and they're having a little fun with it. 189 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:11,920 So they made a website. Is this something that they're 190 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:14,760 like going to maintain Project Blue going forward? 191 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:17,280 No, because there's an alpha and a beta team, right? 192 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:19,600 Sorry, I don't think I ever actually finished that point. 193 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:22,720 The alpha team seems to be the people based in New Zealand and 194 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:25,680 this is an alpha right now. But anyone in the world can join 195 00:10:25,680 --> 00:10:30,120 the beta team on the discord which is a global like playtest 196 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:32,000 group. It reminds me a lot of the PVE 197 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:34,840 for League of Legends. The public beta environment 198 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:39,480 where essentially it's hey we can only test so many literal 199 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:43,960 games and interactions in office so we need to just have a group 200 00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:49,320 of like 10,000 people everywhere else constantly jamming games to 201 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:55,360 test all the other interactions. I like this because I think more 202 00:10:55,360 --> 00:10:58,880 effort into balance and understanding interactions is 203 00:10:58,880 --> 00:11:02,600 good, especially in trading card games, especially non digital 204 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:07,680 ones where you can't just go into code and change a few lines 205 00:11:07,680 --> 00:11:10,320 and like balance a card. When a card is printed, it's 206 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:12,440 printed, and I think we've learned how weird that is with 207 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:15,600 Skyward Serenade. I haven't, I've joined the 208 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:18,320 Discord server so I guess that makes me a part of the beta 209 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:19,560 team. Quote on what? 210 00:11:19,680 --> 00:11:23,120 But it's really easy. I haven't seen any really 211 00:11:23,120 --> 00:11:25,640 official communication there to be like, this is what we're 212 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:28,440 looking for. Yeah, you heard it here first. 213 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:29,600 Fuzzies. A beta tester. 214 00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:32,120 Holy, yeah. I feel like the real beta 215 00:11:32,120 --> 00:11:35,680 testers are the people who are like running armories of project 216 00:11:35,680 --> 00:11:39,080 Blue, like unofficial project Blue Armory and stuff like that. 217 00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:40,640 I'm just really curious where this is going. 218 00:11:40,640 --> 00:11:42,640 Are we going to play Project Blue for the next three years, 219 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:44,400 or are they going to come out with another format in another 220 00:11:44,400 --> 00:11:47,840 year? Also is like a new format, 221 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:52,760 really uncovering exciting new possibilities and innovative 222 00:11:52,760 --> 00:11:56,280 approaches across all aspects of the player experience. 223 00:11:57,320 --> 00:11:59,960 Yeah, it actually is, I would argue. 224 00:11:59,960 --> 00:12:04,000 I'm sure we know less than 5% of the total amount of stuff that 225 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:06,880 they have coming out, yeah. Super, super fair. 226 00:12:07,240 --> 00:12:09,600 And I think that's a really, really good point. 227 00:12:10,560 --> 00:12:14,480 Now let's talk about what Project Blue actually is in 228 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:20,600 terms of what we know about it. So Project Blue is a format 229 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:25,760 where it's commoner, but you can also run rare, so you can run 230 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:30,920 Commons and rares in equipment, weapons and the cards in your 231 00:12:30,920 --> 00:12:34,080 deck. No majestics, no legendaries. 232 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:37,160 It's a young format, young hero format. 233 00:12:37,560 --> 00:12:40,600 So everyone's at 20 life just like commoner. 234 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:44,560 It's 40 cards in deck 52 maximum load out. 235 00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:46,400 I think it's actually a 55 card deck. 236 00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:50,280 Oh, is it 55? Yeah, that's interesting. 237 00:12:50,640 --> 00:12:56,400 And it has a new ban list. Notably, on this ban list, there 238 00:12:56,400 --> 00:13:00,360 are no generic D reacts, no sync below, no fate foreseen. 239 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:04,800 Also, like Commoner, they banned a lot of the extremely efficient 240 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:07,000 weapons like Waning Moon and Rosetta Thorne. 241 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:12,040 And they've also banned other cards like Deadwood Dirge, which 242 00:13:12,040 --> 00:13:15,160 sort of implies that they've been doing some testing and they 243 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:17,400 found that they didn't like those interactions. 244 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:24,560 So I guess what I'm asking here is this feels small, right? 245 00:13:25,160 --> 00:13:28,640 Like this shift seems pretty unassuming. 246 00:13:29,320 --> 00:13:33,080 The shift from what? Like if this was an update to 247 00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:36,840 commoner, they're literally just saying you can run rares now. 248 00:13:37,320 --> 00:13:42,240 They've banned a few more cards and they allow three more cards 249 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:45,400 in inventory. That's not a lot, right? 250 00:13:45,400 --> 00:13:48,480 Like that could just be an article on Fab TCG. 251 00:13:49,520 --> 00:13:51,840 But instead, it's the very first project of this new like 252 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:54,840 experimental wing of Legend Story Studios. 253 00:13:54,840 --> 00:13:58,720 I think there's enough data on Commoner to sort of recognize 254 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:01,840 that certain classes will always do well in Commoner because 255 00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:04,120 their carpool is stronger at the moment. 256 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:07,280 And they've also probably identified a lot of writers that 257 00:14:07,760 --> 00:14:09,440 are not as strong as some common. 258 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:15,120 So they're trying to find a really good blend for a new like 259 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:19,360 low power format that isn't just strictly Commons only because 260 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:22,920 that's feels too restrictive. And I think with the public, 261 00:14:25,080 --> 00:14:28,280 with how people responded to like Clash Manson's custom 262 00:14:28,280 --> 00:14:30,560 format, I think a lot of people really liked that. 263 00:14:30,560 --> 00:14:33,640 But it wasn't adopted by LSS, probably because they were 264 00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:37,480 starting Project Blue with a similar similar style to it. 265 00:14:37,760 --> 00:14:39,600 You think they started project blue like? 266 00:14:40,160 --> 00:14:42,960 Years ago, I'm sure this was like in development for a long 267 00:14:42,960 --> 00:14:43,840 time. Really. 268 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:45,600 Yeah. See, I feel like I could have 269 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:48,520 put together a lot of this stuff over the course of two weeks. 270 00:14:48,520 --> 00:14:53,840 Yeah. I don't think it takes years to 271 00:14:53,840 --> 00:14:56,560 make a format with a new band list and a couple of new rules, 272 00:14:56,560 --> 00:15:00,360 you know what I'm saying? Well, again, I think the format 273 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:03,680 that was released is still like a really small fraction of what 274 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:06,040 they're doing it at Project Blue, OK? 275 00:15:06,040 --> 00:15:08,600 Like the format itself, I think it could be easily done. 276 00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:14,640 Like it's LSS, like they do really large logistical feats 277 00:15:14,640 --> 00:15:18,240 like this all the time. Yeah, I think the resources and 278 00:15:18,240 --> 00:15:20,760 the like, the department itself has been around for a while, 279 00:15:20,880 --> 00:15:23,440 especially if it's based in New Zealand. 280 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:27,280 Yes. So I want to touch on a couple 281 00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:29,640 things that you mentioned there. Joel, let's start off with. 282 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:31,880 What is this format actually doing? 283 00:15:31,880 --> 00:15:34,720 Because the first time I heard of Project Blue, I heard of 284 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:39,080 everyone saying this is a better blitz, but I didn't see it as a 285 00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:42,120 better blitz. I saw it as a better commoner. 286 00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:44,920 And that was something that you had said, right? 287 00:15:44,920 --> 00:15:48,440 This feels like a good place for a cheap entry point. 288 00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:51,400 Rares are not typically that much more expensive than 289 00:15:51,400 --> 00:15:53,960 Commons. You'll see the occasional like 290 00:15:54,120 --> 00:16:00,120 shred be worth like $3. Yeah, but rares rarely go over a 291 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:03,800 dollar per. So it's still very, very cheap 292 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:06,880 to put a bunch of rares in a deck list. 293 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:11,360 So it fulfills the goal of commoner of being cheap because 294 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:14,400 there aren't majestics and these high synergy legendaries and 295 00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:17,160 majestics, the power level is much lower. 296 00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:21,160 So it fulfills the commoner goal of like extending the game and 297 00:16:21,160 --> 00:16:25,520 playing with lower power tools. It just seems like a better 298 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:29,720 commoner. And by including rares you're 299 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:34,320 making so many more archetypes and heroes more playable. 300 00:16:34,520 --> 00:16:37,480 Like I've been playing around with a Vincet list because I 301 00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:41,360 could run Malefic Incantation and Deathly Whale, which just 302 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:45,560 helped so so much with the viability of playing Vincette. 303 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:49,480 Those are foundational cards to being able to have a functional 304 00:16:49,480 --> 00:16:52,320 40 card deck. She was never playable and 305 00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:56,400 commoner. So it's a commoner that stays 306 00:16:56,400 --> 00:17:02,120 cheap, stays low power, and lets more heroes have a viable build. 307 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:04,800 For me this just reads like a better commoner. 308 00:17:05,040 --> 00:17:07,440 Which sort of again takes me to my point of why couldn't this 309 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:11,680 just be an article of saying hey we're changing commoner? 310 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:15,640 Like why are they being so hush hush about this specifically? 311 00:17:18,079 --> 00:17:22,520 And I think it's because I don't think this is just a new format. 312 00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:25,880 I don't think this is just an edit to Commoner. 313 00:17:26,040 --> 00:17:30,600 I don't think Commoner has enough fans or players to 314 00:17:30,600 --> 00:17:34,040 warrant this kind of secrecy. I think they could have gotten 315 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:38,320 everybody way more excited about Commoner by attaching Project 316 00:17:38,320 --> 00:17:41,640 Blue as a Commoner change and by using that marketing 317 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:44,440 specifically. I think they are being hush hush 318 00:17:44,440 --> 00:17:49,720 because they want to make some pretty sweeping bands in classic 319 00:17:49,720 --> 00:17:55,240 constructed. Interesting, what is the the 320 00:17:55,280 --> 00:17:59,680 most format warping thing about project blue right now? 321 00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:04,600 Like what is the one element of what is missing that completely 322 00:18:04,600 --> 00:18:07,760 transforms the play patterns? The two project Blues? 323 00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:09,920 No sync below, no faith for scene. 324 00:18:10,520 --> 00:18:14,800 People have been talking about banning those cards for a little 325 00:18:14,800 --> 00:18:17,880 bit now. It was a big thing I think 326 00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:21,760 before Aurora, and then it just became necessary to beat Aurora 327 00:18:22,080 --> 00:18:25,160 so all that kind of went away. But I still remember when 328 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:27,920 everyone was like man it feels like defensive decks have way 329 00:18:27,920 --> 00:18:33,480 too many fucking tools and they just printed shelter as a 0 for 330 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:37,600 four generic D react and I for me it's just a side grade to 331 00:18:37,600 --> 00:18:40,880 sink below, possibly even worse than sink below in a vast 332 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:48,120 majority of decks and matchups. So why is zinc below common and 333 00:18:48,120 --> 00:18:52,080 shelter majestic? I think it's because they are 334 00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:57,000 preparing to ban some of these cards on this ban list in 335 00:18:57,000 --> 00:19:00,600 classic constructed and they are testing to see what would the 336 00:19:00,600 --> 00:19:05,000 base low power format look like without these foundational 337 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:09,560 cards. Right, Does Crush Bravo just end 338 00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:13,480 up taking over the entire game? What about 0 for four dot decks? 339 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:15,600 Is there enough tools for that to exist? 340 00:19:15,760 --> 00:19:18,360 And without Sink Below and fate for scene they just run over 341 00:19:18,360 --> 00:19:21,080 everybody which is maybe what's happening. 342 00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:24,320 From what it sounds like, the meta right now appears to be 343 00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:31,600 Lexi, Azalea, Oldham, and Dromi. Lots of 0 for fours, lots of big 344 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:34,680 dominate tools. Really abusing the fact that 345 00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:37,280 those D reacts are gone. What do you guys think? 346 00:19:37,800 --> 00:19:40,640 I was actually having a conversation earlier today about 347 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:44,680 this exact conversation, you know, talking about the comment 348 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:47,120 that they made and I bet they were great regret making that 349 00:19:47,120 --> 00:19:50,120 comment about the the sweeping bans or the the bands that 350 00:19:50,120 --> 00:19:52,000 they're going to make on the the 19th. 351 00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:55,040 But I was sort of calling out that I think they're going to 352 00:19:55,040 --> 00:20:01,360 ban favour scene and sync below because the defensive overlap 353 00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:04,840 of. Florian specifically, I think 354 00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:07,560 was the straw that broke the camel's back. 355 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:12,720 They've seem frustrated with the rise of defensive decks taking 356 00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:14,880 over the meta. I think I remember some reports 357 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:17,640 of like, James White being upset that Enigma Wan with like Cyb. 358 00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:20,400 Yeah, even. Though that wasn't reflected in 359 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:22,600 the very next B&R where he defended it. 360 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:26,520 Yes, yes, I agree. But I think another reason why 361 00:20:26,520 --> 00:20:29,960 they were frustrated with Aurora's lack of Hallmark wins 362 00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:35,200 was her losing to that overly defensive deck at Worlds. 363 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:40,080 And I think as they're printing more in class synergies, they've 364 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:45,040 recognized that it doesn't always translate to classes or 365 00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:49,760 people picking up these or people using less of these 366 00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:52,440 generic tools. So they'll just double down and 367 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:56,880 have the most consistent defensive deck. 368 00:20:57,080 --> 00:21:01,000 So they're not going to just run reduced to run chat. 369 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:03,600 They're going to run that plus sync blow plus fate for scene, 370 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:06,440 plus shelter and whatever else they can get their hands on. 371 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:10,320 So I think this has always been in the works where they want to 372 00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:14,560 get rid of the the generic tools that are clearly problematic and 373 00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:18,240 make way for the in class synergies that they're going to 374 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:20,880 be printing in the future more impactful. 375 00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:24,240 Yeah, in class defensive synergies sounds way more 376 00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:29,160 exciting and I think they would be able to push it a lot more if 377 00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:31,920 they get rid of things like Sync below and Fate for Scene. 378 00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:33,440 Absolutely. Fuzzy. 379 00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:36,720 I think I'm a little convinced that it makes sense that before 380 00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:39,080 they take away Sync Below and Fate for Scene, they want to see 381 00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:43,800 a format that doesn't have it and see if it can handle it if 382 00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:45,400 it feels unhealthy and too aggressive. 383 00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:46,960 Because that'd be the fear, right? 384 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:49,680 Like you take away my Sync blow and Fate for Scene, suddenly 385 00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:52,600 only aggro decks can win and it's only aggro decks 386 00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:54,680 everywhere. Because literally I think those 387 00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:58,040 two cards have kind of defined defensive decks for a long time. 388 00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:01,200 You're defensive because you're running like you're either mid 389 00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:03,320 range or defensive because you're running and you're on the 390 00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:09,600 60 reacts what you do, Yeah. It's super interesting because I 391 00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:12,600 think they're also a little terrified of banning sync below 392 00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:17,760 because if you look at every single single seller, their 393 00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:20,880 number one card sold is sink below. 394 00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:23,240 That's funny. Because it's cheap enough that 395 00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:27,560 people will just buy 12 copies and keep 4 decks with three sink 396 00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:30,840 below's in every single deck. Oh yeah, it is the number one 397 00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:34,400 card that is the most reliable to buy and the most reliable to 398 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:37,880 sell for shops. Like, I don't think it's going 399 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:41,080 to happen on the 19th July, but it's going to be funny because 400 00:22:41,120 --> 00:22:43,520 when does this episode come out? Before the 19th? 401 00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:49,880 OK thank God, but if they end up banning it on the 19th I think 402 00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:54,240 that would be crazy. Absolutely insane. 403 00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:56,800 When does the Project Blue tournament happen? 404 00:22:57,800 --> 00:22:59,480 A June. Yeah. 405 00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:03,280 Yeah, right. I think, I think if they do ban 406 00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:05,760 it, it's they're going to wait a little bit longer. 407 00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:08,120 That's an interesting thought. That was a big swing. 408 00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:09,480 But I think you convinced me, Clark. 409 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:11,400 Yeah, you may have some legs there. 410 00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:15,400 And even if it's not intentional, like we are going 411 00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:19,080 to make a format without sync below and paper scene to see if 412 00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:20,840 we can ban it. Like it certainly could be a 413 00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:23,200 side benefit of this really cool project that they're doing, you 414 00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:24,600 know? Yeah, like when they're looking 415 00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:29,240 at the ban list, then they can say, well Project Blue was 416 00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:31,680 pretty fun and it didn't have sync below and fade for scene. 417 00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:33,920 That's a little data point that they can use when they're trying 418 00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:36,360 to figure out if they want to ban it in CC. 419 00:23:36,360 --> 00:23:38,640 Yeah. And if we want to talk about 420 00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:42,560 experimenting with what could change everything, I would say 421 00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:45,160 banning sync below and fade for scene would be exactly that. 422 00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:52,280 And that is more in line with what I expect from this than, 423 00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:56,640 you know, just an update to commoner, which is what it 424 00:23:56,640 --> 00:24:02,400 currently feels like. So those are my thoughts on WTF 425 00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:05,640 is Project Blue. I think what it's true purpose 426 00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:08,720 may be and like how they're obfuscating it with this idea of 427 00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:11,800 like printing and making a new commoner. 428 00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:15,800 And I think that leads really nicely into our next pitch, 429 00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:20,560 which is talking about formats. As designing the way that we 430 00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:23,040 engage with the game. Joel, do you want to talk some 431 00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:24,440 more about that? Sure. 432 00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:27,800 So for my pitch, I want to talk about the different existing 433 00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:30,320 formats in Flesh and Blood. We all know what they are, but I 434 00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:34,080 think what they serve in terms of their purpose for Flesh and 435 00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:38,120 Blood is worth talking about, especially when this hot new 436 00:24:38,120 --> 00:24:40,920 format is coming to light being Project Blue. 437 00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:45,160 And so first I want to talk about, well, that very fact that 438 00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:48,400 all flesh and blood formats serve as a purpose, no matter 439 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:51,760 the scale, because we have some less than popular formats in 440 00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:53,800 flesh and blood like you mentioned, Clark. 441 00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:58,000 And so I want to bring those to light because even though a 442 00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:01,440 format is not popular, there are options to widen the scope of 443 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:03,640 play, which I think is very important to flesh and blood 444 00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:05,800 specifically. Because even though I think 445 00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:09,320 objectively it's one of the best TC GS on the market specifically 446 00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:13,680 for the competitive circuit, but I think they're they could cater 447 00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:16,800 new, new players a little bit better and product blue seems 448 00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:19,320 like it's a step in the right direction of what people want 449 00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:22,040 given its popularity. Yeah, I think it also really 450 00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:23,640 helps build that love for the game. 451 00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:26,680 Talking really broadly here, Like when you get used to 452 00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:29,600 playing one format like classic constructed, and then you like 453 00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:33,200 play a different format, Blitz Common or UPF, and you realize, 454 00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:36,640 oh, this card that I liked, but when it's never viable actually 455 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:38,800 can really shine in this completely new context. 456 00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:41,680 And those moments of discovery being laden throughout the 457 00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:44,400 culture of the game can be really endearing and satisfying. 458 00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:46,600 Yeah. That's been a common theme 459 00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:48,800 throughout our podcast. Throughout the two years that 460 00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:51,800 we've been doing this. We're always sort of saying, no, 461 00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:56,040 you guys should play blitz and commoner and EPF and think about 462 00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:58,520 new players coming into the game and other ways that you can 463 00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:01,920 enjoy it. That isn't jamming to go tint 464 00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:05,240 that your next PQ. I'm not talking about myself. 465 00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:09,360 I always find it a little bit tiring the idea of of like 466 00:26:09,360 --> 00:26:11,960 playing another new format and then I always feel really 467 00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:14,360 rewarded every time I take this to the plunge, you know? 468 00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:16,920 Yeah. And so first, I'll start off 469 00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:20,000 with Commoner because I think that's like the thing that most 470 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:23,400 people have their sights on in response to Project Blue being 471 00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:25,960 released. And I want to point out that 472 00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:31,840 every TCG that's in existence has a commoner format, whether 473 00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:36,200 it be like Popper, Commoner, or whatever other fucking moniker 474 00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:38,240 you can think of. But I think it's an important 475 00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:42,000 part of the game because we all fall in love with the power 476 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:45,720 fantasies of games, the lore of games and like the identities 477 00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:48,400 that we associate certain strategies with. 478 00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:53,840 And it can get muddied, especially as cards start to get 479 00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:56,040 power crept. It can be really hard to relive 480 00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:57,960 that fantasy. Like I personally have been 481 00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:01,240 feeling a little bit frustrated with the state of the meta 482 00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:04,480 because it prevents me from playing my pet decks like Bolton 483 00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:06,120 and Levaya. You guys have heard me plenty of 484 00:27:06,120 --> 00:27:08,600 times talk about them. God, I want to play Levaya 485 00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:10,200 again. Me too, but. 486 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:14,160 And the way that like this has affected you is so profound that 487 00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:17,280 I almost could swear you don't like Bolton or Levaya, you know? 488 00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:20,280 Right, exactly because I have nothing nice to say about them. 489 00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:23,440 There's no experience in Flesh and Blood that I that I've had 490 00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:26,560 in the past like 6 months that I could point to where I've had 491 00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:29,240 fun playing these heroes. It just feels like a waste of 492 00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:31,200 time. And this sort of Harkins back to 493 00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:34,920 our previous episode where I think, Clark, you touched home 494 00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:38,400 with a lot of our listeners when you said that it sort of feels 495 00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:41,040 like you're forced to engage with flesh and blood on a 496 00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:43,800 competitive level because the people that go to your armories 497 00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:46,160 are competing and you have to play against them, even if 498 00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:48,240 you're just, you know, there to vibe or whatever. 499 00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:53,080 And so all that being said, commoner in other formats like 500 00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:57,640 commoner, where it's a lower not only barrier to entry, but also 501 00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:02,720 a lower power level can help you revitalize your love of the game 502 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:05,000 or your love of certain heroes and let you play those heroes 503 00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:06,760 that you would normally get the chance to play. 504 00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:11,840 And so that base level option of the Commons only, the dirt bulk 505 00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:15,960 cards only format is perfect for a game's growth. 506 00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:19,680 And I think also one thing that I wanted to highlight about 507 00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:22,280 flush and mud is like there's a lot of really good commoner 508 00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:24,360 creators that don't get the praise that they deserve. 509 00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:26,440 I'm thinking of dice Commandos specifically. 510 00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:29,560 Like he does a lot of really good videos about like commoner 511 00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:31,960 tournaments and commoner armories, commoner deck techs. 512 00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:35,480 Like he's probably the most outspoken creator that I can 513 00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:37,200 think of. I apologize if there's others 514 00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:41,840 they, you know, come to light, but people like those like do a 515 00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:45,760 lot of work and I think project Blue is a really good outlet for 516 00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:51,320 them to shine as creators and also like, I guess get rewarded 517 00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:53,400 for their efforts by being on the the front lines. 518 00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:58,440 And the last thing I want to talk about commoner is the value 519 00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:03,560 of a format that doesn't get as impacted by sets release can 520 00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:07,400 also be really refreshing. I know a lot of people that have 521 00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:09,880 come back to flesh and blood after a certain amount of time 522 00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:13,160 and have been sort of overwhelmed with the options, 523 00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:16,000 with the meta changes and shakes up shake ups and things like 524 00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:17,520 that. And it could be tough to get 525 00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:21,880 back into the game. But commoner and other formats 526 00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:25,000 in this arena don't get the same impact because they're not 527 00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:28,920 impacted by the crazy majestics that are used to support a new 528 00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:34,200 hero or the abundance of rares that, you know, make things way 529 00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:38,080 more consistent. Like I think Viscera's Living 530 00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:41,280 Legend ascension was on the backs of really powerful rares. 531 00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:44,800 And so commoner can serve a really good use case where you 532 00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:47,400 just ignore all of that. You go there to have fun with 533 00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:50,920 really low power stuff. And I think that's a lot of. 534 00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:54,800 So to rephrase your point, Joel, it's kind of like commoner decks 535 00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:57,440 are a much more stable meta where you can make a commoner 536 00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:00,760 deck and it's probably going to be mostly a solid as it was when 537 00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:02,600 you made it like a year or two down the line. 538 00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:06,920 Yeah, exactly. Next I'm going to go over blitz. 539 00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:11,200 I think blitz is often overlooked as soon as players 540 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:14,440 make that switch from blitz to. Classic constructed armories. 541 00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:18,560 It happens really quickly, especially here in Socal. 542 00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:20,800 Yeah, people like show up with a blitz neck and we're like, Oh my 543 00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:23,760 God, blitz decks. So there's this Armory deck. 544 00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:29,320 If only I had a blitz deck to play it with you because I 545 00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:33,640 literally brought commoner CC Alternate CC, No blitz deck, 546 00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:37,440 sorry. And I feel for these players, I 547 00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:40,000 really do. Because you know, when we all 548 00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:44,440 first started, I think for the first few months, maybe even a 549 00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:49,040 year of our playing was only blitz armories at our local LGS. 550 00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:50,280 Yeah. And you just don't see that 551 00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:53,400 anymore, at least not in Socal. It might be different for other 552 00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:55,280 places. Like there's no learn to play 553 00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:57,360 events. There's no blitz armies outside 554 00:30:57,360 --> 00:31:00,760 of I think one in Irvine. Kingsleyer Lake Forest. 555 00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:05,440 Yeah, Kingsleyer Lake Forest is the only spot really close by us 556 00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:10,560 that consistently runs non CC. But yeah, blitz is. 557 00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:15,080 Not popular here in Socal. And I think that does hurt us 558 00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:19,080 with a new player acquisition because as a poor college 559 00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:21,840 student, I really liked only needing to buy 2 Blood Rush 560 00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:24,920 Bellows. And you know, I really liked 561 00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:28,720 being able to buy a $10 Majestic Equipment that was actually best 562 00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:30,720 in slot. Yeah, that was really nice for 563 00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:32,280 me, yeah. I know this is a bit of a 564 00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:35,440 tangent, but I think one thing that does really well for us 565 00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:38,480 with the new player acquisition in our local community is that 566 00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:41,240 we all know how hard it is to get new players in. 567 00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:43,280 So we put our whole heart into it. 568 00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:45,240 Yeah. Like whenever Han comes, he has 569 00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:47,800 like his whole suite of decks. So you can always borrow a deck 570 00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:50,800 from Han, Like, yeah, you always have access to a deck. 571 00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:54,120 And, you know, we're really friendly and encouraging. 572 00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:57,120 We're like, we love you. We like really, we really turn 573 00:31:57,120 --> 00:32:01,120 on like the love volume. We get those bitches to come 574 00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:03,400 back for real when you. Say it like that, Fuzzy. 575 00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:08,360 It sounds a little toxic. They report good experiences 576 00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:14,240 from what I've been hearing. So yeah, even though I think for 577 00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:19,280 the most part, I really think CC is the best way to get people 578 00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:22,800 into the game, like it's longer games, more engaging, it's less 579 00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:26,240 swingy than Blitz. It still serves a really good 580 00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:32,320 purpose in just taking it slow, having really short, short term 581 00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:34,520 goals like, you know, getting someone down to zero life from 582 00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:38,280 20 smaller decks. And also, like you mentioned, 583 00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:42,720 Clark, less copies because even in Blitz, if a hero isn't good 584 00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:45,000 in Blitz, if it's good in CC, the prices are going to be 585 00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:47,680 inflated no matter what. So that can also be kind of an 586 00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:49,680 issue with Blitz. It's like you're using the same 587 00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:52,720 shit that using CC, just on a smaller scale. 588 00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:55,080 Yeah. So if you don't have a local Han 589 00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:59,400 or a local group of love bombers and it can be pretty tough to 590 00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:02,200 get new players involved. So that's why I like Blitz even 591 00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:03,440 though I talk shit about it a lot. 592 00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:08,280 It is a great entry point jam shorter, quicker games. 593 00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:11,840 It feels weird because we talk about how quickly blitz games 594 00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:16,720 can end, how easy it is for just to be like oh I had my 30 damage 595 00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:18,120 of inset turned and now you're dead. 596 00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:23,120 But also, like, it's really nice that you can just shuffle up and 597 00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:25,960 play another game, yeah. Yeah, it really should be best 598 00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:28,520 at 3 in my humble opinion. I would agree with that. 599 00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:31,920 Yeah, but then fatigue. Oh, we don't talk about that 600 00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:34,960 fatigue terror. Exists and all of a sudden, all 601 00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:36,800 of a sudden an hour and a half just. 602 00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:39,440 We find that player in the parking lot and we have, we 603 00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:45,120 don't talk. The last honourable mentions I 604 00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:48,760 wanted to go over before the pitch ends is UPF, yeah. 605 00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:51,400 That's. I've actually gotten a lot of 606 00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:54,320 love recently. I think the what is it called? 607 00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:56,800 Smash Palace? Smash Palace? 608 00:33:56,800 --> 00:34:00,080 Yep. Those actually were revealed 609 00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:04,080 earlier today with a slew of new Guardian heroes as part of their 610 00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:07,520 new crack shuffle play. There's all these new pit 611 00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:12,440 fighters which are UPF only, which I don't think I personally 612 00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:16,480 like, but I think I'm going to wait and see, like what it 613 00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:20,800 develops into because I remember my earliest memories of UPF. 614 00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:23,840 We played it completely wrong because each of us would draw up 615 00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:27,000 to 4 after every turn. So like, I would go, we'd draw 616 00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:28,639 ultra up, Clark would go, we'd all draw up. 617 00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:32,880 So that version of UPF was fun, but I think imagine. 618 00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:35,600 Prism in that rule. I know, right? 619 00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:37,400 Hey, let's draw four. Yeah, yeah. 620 00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:43,679 So I do, I do think UPF is a lot of fun, especially if you can 621 00:34:43,679 --> 00:34:47,400 get like a, a group of people to do like a UPF Armory. 622 00:34:48,159 --> 00:34:54,760 And I'm sure this new product will eventually lead to some 623 00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:58,040 like LSS events, like maybe there's a skirmish surrounded 624 00:34:58,040 --> 00:34:59,360 around UPF. I don't. 625 00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:01,280 Know, I mean the deck was. Great. 626 00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:05,880 Yeah, I think there's a lot of elements of like commander from 627 00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:09,560 MTG that I do like and I think the more that gets incorporated 628 00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:13,480 with flesh and blood, especially if it's like everyone's playing 629 00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:15,840 Guardian, that's really fun. Like I love it does seem really 630 00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:18,840 fun. I love the the turns not turn 631 00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:21,600 zero rule 0 conversation you can have with people like let's all 632 00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:23,000 just do this one thing and have fun. 633 00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:25,800 Yeah, yeah, yeah. So yeah, they just wanted to 634 00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:28,160 shout out UPF. And then the last thing I want 635 00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:30,400 to give room to talk about is limited. 636 00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:32,480 I've been I've been a known limited. 637 00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:34,080 So sorry. So sorry Fuzzy. 638 00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:40,640 I've been a known limited hater for a long time, but I get its 639 00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:42,160 purpose. Every TCG has it. 640 00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:45,320 Much like commoner. I think there are a lot of 641 00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:46,920 elements I do like about limited. 642 00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:49,640 Like you know, playing with weaker decks and like having to 643 00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:52,400 play with yellow versions of like the best Reds or the best 644 00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:54,680 Blues is fun. I think there's a lot of tweaks 645 00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:57,960 to work out in Flesh and Blood, but it a lot of people like the 646 00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:00,240 format whether or, you know, whatever I think about it. 647 00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:04,080 At the risk of outing myself as a total weirdo to the entire 648 00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:07,680 flesh and blood community. Come on. 649 00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:10,880 I really don't like the experience of opening packs just 650 00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:13,240 to open packs. Like buying a box and just like 651 00:36:13,240 --> 00:36:15,400 cracking it open. Yeah, you're like hoarding your 652 00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:16,840 gym pack. It's actually like a net 653 00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:20,080 negative experience for me where I feel like worse after doing 654 00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:21,440 it. I don't even if I like. 655 00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:23,760 Maybe if I pull like a really really good card I might feel 656 00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:26,000 good about that. It just like gives me a weird 657 00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:27,680 vibe. I think it's because I trained 658 00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:31,840 myself for so long not to like give into that like indulgence, 659 00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:34,600 you know? So like nowadays like if they 660 00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:38,360 didn't have limited in flesh and blood I might open 0 packs of 661 00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:40,160 any set. Yeah, that's crazy and. 662 00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:42,120 Amazing. I mean, you know what, I do want 663 00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:50,040 to say something here. The cost of a pack is also 664 00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:53,080 designed so you can play limited with it. 665 00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:55,440 Yeah, yeah. So like we have seen recently in 666 00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:59,520 the high seas, they have cut out a lot of extra cards and have 667 00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:02,600 removed the ability to play limited formats. 668 00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:05,960 In Japan. In Japan, So Japanese boxes are 669 00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:13,720 almost half the cost of US boxes and contain the exact same pull 670 00:37:13,720 --> 00:37:15,680 rates of majestics and legendaries. 671 00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:21,760 Like the cost of your pack? The cost of your box is baked 672 00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:24,160 into the fact that you can play limited with it. 673 00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:28,360 So actually fuzzy, if you are not playing limited with your 674 00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:31,920 packs, you are not getting your money's worth out of those 675 00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:33,440 packs. Oh shit, I mean I. 676 00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:35,520 Believe that to my core. You're preaching to the player. 677 00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:39,760 Here like it is a big part of the value proposition of opening 678 00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:42,880 a pack. Like if you just want a 679 00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:45,800 collection only by Japanese booster boxes. 680 00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:48,680 If you just need singles, just buy singles. 681 00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:53,240 Like that's been the rallying cry of Talarian Community 682 00:37:53,240 --> 00:37:55,120 College. Buy singles, right? 683 00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:56,640 That is the most effective, yeah. 684 00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:59,600 It's the most cost effective way of getting your cards. 685 00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:03,200 So why do we open boxes? We like because we hit baby, 686 00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:06,480 because we're fucking lottery monkeys and we want the dopamine 687 00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:08,120 that comes from opening up cards. 688 00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:09,800 If we never, it's literally drugs. 689 00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:13,480 It's literally drugs if we do. Not know what hero to build 690 00:38:13,720 --> 00:38:16,120 unless I open the marble in my pack. 691 00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:19,160 Thank you. If we never miss, we never pay 692 00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:22,720 money bro just roll it back. Drugs. 693 00:38:22,720 --> 00:38:25,960 You could theoretically pay for one case and have it pay for the 694 00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:30,240 rest of your fab career. If you're him, you know, just 695 00:38:30,240 --> 00:38:34,440 sing. But of course, it's also 696 00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:35,360 limited, right? Like. 697 00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:36,800 Oh yeah, yeah, limited. Limited. 698 00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:41,480 Yeah, like. Limited formats are are A at 699 00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:44,800 least half of the cost of sealed product. 700 00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:46,480 I just really like I have a limited I. 701 00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:47,960 Just really love the equal playing field. 702 00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:50,480 You know, you can have a newer player come into a format. 703 00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:52,560 I think actually in Flesh and Blood I might take that back a 704 00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:54,600 little bit because there's so much context that comes from 705 00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:56,800 limited and it takes a long time to really build up those 706 00:38:56,800 --> 00:39:00,120 muscles. So a new player jumping into the 707 00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:04,760 game is probably still gonna be a lot worse at limited than than 708 00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:07,480 like an experienced player. But the idea that like, look, 709 00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:11,480 you may have bought a $600.00 CC deck, but we're gonna go play 710 00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:14,480 with some packs and it's gonna be skill against skill, and 711 00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:16,400 this? Yeah, everyone pays the same 712 00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:19,880 amount and presumably gets the same chance of getting the exact 713 00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:24,720 same power cards, right? Like, yeah, I'm aware, Joel. 714 00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:26,880 Someone could just like and open the I'm. 715 00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:28,440 Holding my tongue, I'm holding my tongue. 716 00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:33,800 Yeah, but it's, I will say though, Fuzzy is like I would 717 00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:38,320 say limited is probably it. It severely shrinks the game. 718 00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:41,320 It also helps players build a collection because they're 719 00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:43,280 opening packs. So like it's actually really 720 00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:46,000 solid for the new player experience because it's 721 00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:49,520 similarly low powered like Blitz, like commoner. 722 00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:51,200 We've already mentioned why that's good. 723 00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:55,040 And they get a bunch of chat that they can then go use and 724 00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:57,840 build a deck. They can pull that $40 Majestic 725 00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:01,240 that they can then use as an inspiration to go build a deck. 726 00:40:01,240 --> 00:40:03,680 Let's be real, that new player is getting other people's chaff 727 00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:06,960 too. Oh hell yes, I already opened 728 00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:09,520 two cases please. I'm not taking no fucking bulk 729 00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:10,480 home. That's yours buddy. 730 00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:13,600 Exactly. Like the amount of boy, I've got 731 00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:16,720 some bulk, the amount of times I see a new player be like, 732 00:40:16,720 --> 00:40:19,560 really, you're giving me the cards you've opened and I'm 733 00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:21,000 like. Take it no. 734 00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:23,280 You don't understand. Once or twice I've had to go 735 00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:26,960 full mask off and just be like he is taking advantage of you. 736 00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:33,000 I need you to understand this. They are not helping you, you 737 00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:36,520 are helping them. Oh, that's dark that they kept 738 00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:41,080 him up at night for real. Well, that was fun. 739 00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:43,600 That's pretty much all I wanted to say about the existing 740 00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:45,280 formats. I think all of them serve a 741 00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:47,440 really good purpose. So I wanted to take a minute to 742 00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:52,120 like, you know, push my own motives away from like how I 743 00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:54,120 feel about these formats and just, you know, highlight their 744 00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:56,320 value. But I think now it's time to 745 00:40:56,320 --> 00:41:00,120 talk about the probably the most important format in flesh and 746 00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:03,440 blood of all time, and I want Fuzzy to introduce it. 747 00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:04,560 Would you take it? Take it away. 748 00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:08,600 Crucible, Crucible, Crucible. Crucible Tuesday. 749 00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:09,120 Tuesday. Tuesday. 750 00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:15,280 So for Blue Pitch, I want to talk about Crucible All Caps, 751 00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:19,120 which is our own rotating custom format that we host through our 752 00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:21,920 Patreon and through our Discord for the people who really like 753 00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:24,280 Pitch to Me podcast and playing a new game every month. 754 00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:28,640 To describe it a little bit more, imagine that like every 755 00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:32,760 month Fuzzy comes down from the mountain and he says, dear 756 00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:39,000 players, this is the epiphany that was sent to me from the 757 00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:41,120 heavens. This is the format that will be 758 00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:43,640 playing this month. Then after delivering this 759 00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:48,120 prophetic wisdom, Fuzzy says, and who wants to play? 760 00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:51,800 And he puts all the names into a spreadsheet and then he pairs 761 00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:53,360 them all up against each other randomly. 762 00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:57,480 And then you schedule in your own time with your opponent when 763 00:41:57,880 --> 00:41:59,120 you have the time to play this week. 764 00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:01,840 So to give a little bit more example of like what kind of 765 00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:04,560 formats we do, the very first time we ran this, we did 766 00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:07,480 Singleton CC because people talk about that all the time. 767 00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:10,000 I see so many posts on Reddit, they're like, do you think the 768 00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:13,880 card pool can support like Singleton CC, like a Highlander 769 00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:15,680 format? And the comments are always 770 00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:17,400 like, no, I don't think it's there yet. 771 00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:22,720 And I have to sign into Reddit just so that I could say we 772 00:42:22,720 --> 00:42:24,360 actually did this and it was pretty good. 773 00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:27,680 Yeah, it was fairly well received. 774 00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:29,720 Fuzzy's doing the market research, bitch. 775 00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:33,400 Yeah, I would do that again. Like Singleton CC was fun. 776 00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:37,280 It wasn't just slow. There were some good formats. 777 00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:38,600 It was cool. I like it. 778 00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:40,400 You have fewer copies of Sync below too. 779 00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:46,480 All I'm saying then we also have done uncommoner where you have 780 00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:48,960 to run cards of majestic rarity and. 781 00:42:49,240 --> 00:42:51,680 That one was tough. It was it was rare or majestic, 782 00:42:51,720 --> 00:42:53,240 right? You're right, it was rare in 783 00:42:53,240 --> 00:42:54,800 majestics. Yeah, that one was tough. 784 00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:59,120 I really missed my comments. Because those comments are there 785 00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:00,920 for you. They got your back and then you 786 00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:05,400 they you strip them away and all you have is just like I was. 787 00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:08,360 Sorry for frenetic, high-powered, adrenaline fueled 788 00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:11,760 bullshit. It's it's that it's a fucking 789 00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:15,360 Dracula meme of like, what is a hero without their majestics? 790 00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:17,720 Nothing but a nasty pile. Of Secrets. 791 00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:21,480 So we started doing this like we did Singleton CC as like an 792 00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:24,800 experimental run in last November, last February, 2 793 00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:29,840 months ago we did on Commoner. In March, we did Focus decks, 794 00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:33,640 which is a really uncatchy name, but basically you ran 10 copies 795 00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:35,440 of six different cards in your list. 796 00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:37,640 That one was. Fun with an extra card that you 797 00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:39,240 ran 10 copies of in your sideboard. 798 00:43:39,240 --> 00:43:43,560 All three of us ran in, built the exact same fucking deck, and 799 00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:46,120 we dominated that. So sweaty bro. 800 00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:50,560 I literally just copied brews that Clark talked about and it 801 00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:54,080 worked really well for me. Yeah, I made like 4 brews and 802 00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:56,720 then we tested once where Fuzzy's like, yeah, I was 803 00:43:56,720 --> 00:43:59,920 thinking like Yaro could be really good with like felling of 804 00:43:59,920 --> 00:44:02,520 the crown and channel like Virgin and I'm like bitch just 805 00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:07,480 oaken holding like over and over and over. 10 copies of Oakenold, 806 00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:11,240 10 copies of that bullshit Yarl card that has both of the talent 807 00:44:11,240 --> 00:44:13,520 types. Yeah, and then just like 808 00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:17,840 Stalagmite and Isons and just be like you don't get to play the 809 00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:21,200 game if you're a super Red Line deck, you don't get to play the 810 00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:22,880 game. By the way, here's Oakenold. 811 00:44:23,720 --> 00:44:28,720 And then in April, now I want to be very clear here, I'm ready 812 00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:34,520 emotionally. I'm ready emotionally to admit 813 00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:41,840 publicly this format. Joel get doing man being so 814 00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:46,600 rude. I'm ready emotionally to admit 815 00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:50,920 this format was a stinker. Wait, I'm not ready. 816 00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:52,920 No, listen, listen, I'm not ready. 817 00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:55,560 Hey, for you 2 to say it was a stinker, OK? 818 00:44:56,760 --> 00:45:00,440 I cannot handle my fellow podcast hosts telling me this 819 00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:03,400 format sucked. OK, I know it sucked. 820 00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:05,120 Can you be so tell more about me? 821 00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:08,160 Listen. Yeah, read it. 822 00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:10,040 Get out please. Read the shit. 823 00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:14,040 Out. I was just trying to be funny. 824 00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:19,200 OK, I have to find it. Sorry. 825 00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:20,360 Yeah. No, no, no. 826 00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:21,600 Take your time. We can edit. 827 00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:27,920 Each hero starts with two extra health you must present. 828 00:45:29,240 --> 00:45:32,640 You must present exactly 69 cards and your deck was speaking 829 00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:36,680 Tain up to 87 cards. Oh random number is so funny. 830 00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:41,360 Your hero has to have the letter A somewhere in their full name 831 00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:44,600 or be rib tight Lurker of the Deep, which if you look through 832 00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:47,360 the list of heroes, basically means you can't play Lexi. 833 00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:55,640 Stupid. Fucking hey, hey hey, give a 834 00:45:55,640 --> 00:46:01,280 space. Your deck list must contain and 835 00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:05,720 you must present the following cards in your main main board. 2 836 00:46:05,720 --> 00:46:09,440 copies of Gorgainian Tome, 4 copies of Cracked Bobble, one 837 00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:13,080 copy of Amulet of a Haven Call, one copy of Crazy Brew, one copy 838 00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:16,280 of Lunging Press. 1 copy of Trimmer of a Raphael, one copy 839 00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:19,280 of Rise Above. 1 copy of Yellow Sink Below. 1 copy of 840 00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:22,200 Regurgitating Slog, One copy of 10 Foot Tall and Bulletproof, 841 00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:25,080 One copy of Yanti Yanti, and at least one common generic 842 00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:28,560 Equipment. That seems so easy. 843 00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:37,280 Why did no one play? You also I'm not done. 844 00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:43,520 You also had to run and present a copy of Arclight, Sentinel, 845 00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:47,360 Levels of Enlightenment, Codex of Frailty, and Techno Core. 846 00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:51,960 Now to be clear, those are all from different classes and 847 00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:53,000 talents. Yes. 848 00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:55,320 But we could run that in any deck. 849 00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:58,560 You had to run one copy of those in any deck. 850 00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:06,840 This seems very easy to create a cohesive and interesting. 851 00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:10,800 Deck building experience and I restricted E strike and sync 852 00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:13,000 below because I'm like look, the whole point is you run this 853 00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:14,360 junk. Why would I let you sync it 854 00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:16,720 away? Why would I let you sync away 855 00:47:16,720 --> 00:47:20,200 these guys, you know? Yeah, they didn't ban OP cards. 856 00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:23,200 I did not or sift. Right, which also would have led 857 00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:26,200 us. I'm sure if anybody took the 858 00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:28,840 effort to actually build a deck for this format, they would have 859 00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:30,880 found fantasy to be pretty damn good. 860 00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:34,640 Oh, goodbye Mr. Crack Bubble on top of my deck. 861 00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:41,120 So yeah, I wasn't exactly I could get up to some something 862 00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:42,840 good for this one. But you know what? 863 00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:45,280 You gotta swing. And I still kind of. 864 00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:47,720 That's true you. Gotta swing. 865 00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:49,360 You gotta swing. How else you get hit? 866 00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:59,000 Oh my God, that's funny. So in May today we're just 867 00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:01,840 shipping Project Blue. One of my intentions for this 868 00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:04,600 format is I did want to use it as a way to highlight like 869 00:48:04,720 --> 00:48:06,360 community to run formats like Clash. 870 00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:09,200 We haven't done a Clash month yet, but with Project Blue 871 00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:11,600 coming out, I wanted to kind of like tie in the hype with 872 00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:16,280 Project Blue, give our Crucible format a way for us to showcase 873 00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:19,000 this Project Blue format. So it's only Commons and Rares 874 00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:20,880 for the month of May guys. Holy. 875 00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:24,720 And my intention with Crucible was like, I, I have not been 876 00:48:24,720 --> 00:48:26,400 marketing this enough. That's part of why I feel like 877 00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:28,720 it's OK for me to spend an entire blue pitch just kind of 878 00:48:28,720 --> 00:48:31,840 giving an extended ad. But my intention was kind of 879 00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:34,720 like post about these formats every month online and maybe to 880 00:48:34,720 --> 00:48:36,680 get like a little bit of attention in the greater 881 00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:38,400 community to be like, this is what we're doing. 882 00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:41,520 This is what we're finding. And the data that we get from 883 00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:44,880 our event can be extended into, like, all these people that 884 00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:48,760 have, like, these curiosities about what would happen if flesh 885 00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:51,840 and blood was like this. And anybody can play these 886 00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:53,600 formats. I try to post them publicly 887 00:48:53,720 --> 00:48:55,960 Again. I'm like, not the best at doing 888 00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:57,880 it every month, but sometimes, like, it does get some 889 00:48:57,880 --> 00:48:59,880 attention. Like, people are like, oh, that 890 00:48:59,880 --> 00:49:01,880 sounds fun. Or like, in our main Discord, 891 00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:03,800 even if they're not on Patreon, they'll still, like, play games 892 00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:04,520 with each other. Yeah. 893 00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:11,000 Yeah, yeah. So it's the reason why we're 894 00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:13,560 talking about Crucible is not just to do an extended edit for 895 00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:19,680 our Patreon, but to connect it to how formats sort of make how 896 00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:24,080 we engage in the game, right? Like every single time that a 897 00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:27,600 new month comes around, I've noticed that players do what 898 00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:31,400 typically one of two things. They either try to make the hero 899 00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:34,640 that doesn't work in CC work in this format. 900 00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:40,000 They or or similarly the hero that they do play in CC to see 901 00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:43,720 what they look like in this format, or they go find a hero 902 00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:48,760 that they think gets benefited by these rules and so they get a 903 00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:52,080 brand new play experience and they explore more of the 904 00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:55,120 cardpool in Flesh and blood. Yeah, that's like, I guess you 905 00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:58,360 could sum it up in two things, like the way they want to see a 906 00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:02,120 hero have this new interesting take, whether that's like, oh, 907 00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:05,520 maybe it's strong here or even just, hey, let's see if it's 908 00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:08,520 strong here in the same way. You know, I also think that one 909 00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:10,600 thing we've seen in Project Blue, part of the reason why 910 00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:14,480 it's took off so much is that it is a simple format. 911 00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:16,200 You know, it just has a simple twist. 912 00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:18,120 You were kind of saying it before Clark that like this 913 00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:21,240 doesn't seem like a huge change from commoner, but I think 914 00:50:21,240 --> 00:50:23,880 that's part of why it's so appealing is because it doesn't 915 00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:26,320 take long to think of like what your deck list is going to look 916 00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:28,320 like. Or you can just jump right in. 917 00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:30,880 You don't have to learn an entire new rule set because it's 918 00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:33,520 not that different from existing formats, but it's definitely 919 00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:34,920 different enough to get interesting. 920 00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:39,080 I think we saw that with like the focus decks, like 6 copies 921 00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:42,280 of 10 of 10 copies of six different cards when we were 922 00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:45,480 doing it, Like people jumped right in because you just pick 6 923 00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:49,320 cards and that's your brewing and yeah, that's really fun to 924 00:50:49,320 --> 00:50:52,240 just try to find 6 cards that work magically together. 925 00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:56,920 Or, you know, 2 that just combo really, really, really, really, 926 00:50:56,920 --> 00:50:59,080 really fucking well, yeah. Yeah. 927 00:51:01,240 --> 00:51:04,920 So I think like that's one thing that I've learned from running 928 00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:08,320 these Crucible games is having a simple format is going to 929 00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:11,800 succeed a lot better than having a complicated format that's way 930 00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:13,320 different than anything you've played before. 931 00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:15,160 Yeah. And I think. 932 00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:17,160 It's it's a barrier to entry thing. 933 00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:19,160 Yeah. Also one thing that you've been 934 00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:22,520 doing a lot of fuzzy that I've really appreciated is not 935 00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:26,080 putting a lot of banned cards for these formats. 936 00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:28,800 Like I think you'll typically try to find something that is 937 00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:33,080 sort of like you probably should have banned oaken old for the 938 00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:38,080 focus to format, because I think that was sort of like real easy 939 00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:41,600 for us to abuse. But I think there were some 940 00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:46,040 super like I don't. Maybe it's because we just have 941 00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:50,480 like a fairly small Patreon community right now, but I think 942 00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:57,280 that it is still pretty exciting to play in a format without a 943 00:51:57,280 --> 00:51:59,640 lot of bands. And this sort of connects to 944 00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:01,320 like what people have been talking about with the Aurora 945 00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:03,760 thing, where everyone's like, we need more bands to stop this 946 00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:09,120 from happening again and like more BNRS and like, do we want 947 00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:13,640 more band cards? Do we want like, LSS constantly 948 00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:17,640 sort of sticking their fingers into formats and like, pushing 949 00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:20,840 and yanking them into what they think the game should look like? 950 00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:22,920 There should be room for powerful, interesting 951 00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:25,040 strategies. You know, people like playing 952 00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:28,000 strong cards. People like playing strong cards 953 00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:31,560 and like, if everything is broken, then nothing is broken. 954 00:52:31,560 --> 00:52:36,680 It's a classic fighting game adage and people compare flesh 955 00:52:36,680 --> 00:52:38,120 and blood a lot to a fighting game. 956 00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:40,560 I don't think we should be banning everything that is like 957 00:52:40,560 --> 00:52:44,040 remotely strong and giving in to the reactionaries on Twitter, 958 00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:46,400 you know? And I think that is also 959 00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:49,840 something that we've learned through Crucible is that in 960 00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:54,000 small doses, it's still probably pretty OK. 961 00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:56,760 And you'll leave yourself open like, hey, if anyone finds 962 00:52:56,760 --> 00:53:00,360 something that they think just should be banned, let me know 963 00:53:00,720 --> 00:53:03,240 and you'll like evaluate it and talk to them about it. 964 00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:05,360 Yeah. And nobody ever does. 965 00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:07,280 I've never had somebody come up in the. 966 00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:11,520 Focus deck there was a Bonds of Agony I remember Daniel being 967 00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:14,040 like. Bonds of Agony is pretty rough 968 00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:14,640 here. Fuzzy. 969 00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:19,600 Oh yeah, he fucking dunked on me in in our game, yeah. 970 00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:23,920 So yeah, that's been our experience with Crucible. 971 00:53:24,240 --> 00:53:27,880 If you want to get in on the fun with us, just join our Patreon 972 00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:31,040 or even just join our Discord and maybe you can. 973 00:53:31,240 --> 00:53:33,600 This month is May, so it's like we're just doing Project Blue, 974 00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:36,040 but in the month of June when I come up with a whole new format 975 00:53:36,040 --> 00:53:38,880 for us to try. You can play along with us in 976 00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:40,800 our Discord or in our Patreon. Yeah. 977 00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:46,640 And I want to once again iterate sort of what I think custom 978 00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:51,360 formats can really do for players, and that is to get you 979 00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:52,840 to think about the game differently. 980 00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:55,800 Like I think if you take anything away from today's 981 00:53:55,800 --> 00:54:02,080 episode, it is that we think that players should be trying to 982 00:54:02,080 --> 00:54:05,520 look at cards through multiple lenses. 983 00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:09,320 And one of the reasons why we made Pichitomi Podcast, a 984 00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:14,160 podcast about the design of the game and the development of the 985 00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:19,120 game is because we were looking at a very saturated market full 986 00:54:19,120 --> 00:54:21,640 of people talking about what is competitively strong. 987 00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:26,320 And it gets very saney and boring to constantly be talking 988 00:54:26,320 --> 00:54:29,320 about what is the most broken thing in classic constructed 989 00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:31,640 right now. And it's a lot more interesting 990 00:54:31,840 --> 00:54:36,120 to take the multi perspective angle that you need to in game 991 00:54:36,120 --> 00:54:39,760 design. Recently an article came out on 992 00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:44,120 Fab TCG written by Carol, which talked about how they designed 993 00:54:44,120 --> 00:54:49,480 Leave no Witnesses and how they need to apply lots of different 994 00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:52,040 perspectives. They need to look at every 995 00:54:52,040 --> 00:54:55,480 single card from a limited angle, from a commoner angle, 996 00:54:55,680 --> 00:54:59,760 from a classic constructed angle, and from a lower angle. 997 00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:03,200 Like, what is the flavor of this card, and is it matching the 998 00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:05,680 fantasy that we're trying to get players to experience when they 999 00:55:05,680 --> 00:55:10,720 play the card? And only one of those is how to 1000 00:55:10,720 --> 00:55:16,000 win the game most efficiently. And so custom formats, I think, 1001 00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:22,320 help tie in those other ways of looking at cards into that one, 1002 00:55:22,320 --> 00:55:25,440 into how do I win the game most efficiently. 1003 00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:31,520 And I think custom formats uses silly formats as a way of 1004 00:55:31,520 --> 00:55:34,200 getting people to look at cards that they've never looked at 1005 00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:37,880 before in new and interesting ways and appreciate the game on 1006 00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:41,440 a different and deeper level. It's also an opportunity for 1007 00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:43,040 players to be completely original. 1008 00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:45,880 Like when you wipe the slate clean and you give a reset, 1009 00:55:45,880 --> 00:55:48,480 here's a brand new format. Like, yeah, we're gonna look at 1010 00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:51,280 past formats to give ourselves context for what might be nice. 1011 00:55:51,680 --> 00:55:56,120 But when the slate is wiped clean, it's kind of intimidating 1012 00:55:56,120 --> 00:55:59,360 yet again, really rewarding to build a brand new decadent 1013 00:55:59,360 --> 00:56:01,040 format. Test it out yourself, test out 1014 00:56:01,040 --> 00:56:03,720 your own ideas. And sometimes we also feel this 1015 00:56:03,720 --> 00:56:06,400 like when there's a new set that comes out or a couple heroes 1016 00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:09,200 rotate at the same time and you're like, I could do 1017 00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:11,280 anything. Yeah, what will I do? 1018 00:56:11,320 --> 00:56:13,960 And sometimes I'm like, I can't handle the pressure. 1019 00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:16,720 I'm going to wait until other people tell me which decks are 1020 00:56:16,720 --> 00:56:19,960 good because I don't think I have like the the 1021 00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:22,840 self-confidence to go out there and do my own brews right now 1022 00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:24,600 and try to compete in this world. 1023 00:56:24,600 --> 00:56:27,640 But I think custom formats also give that casual enough space 1024 00:56:28,040 --> 00:56:30,480 that you can, like, put yourself out there, you know? 1025 00:56:31,960 --> 00:56:34,560 So yeah, that's why I love Crucible, why I'm really excited 1026 00:56:34,560 --> 00:56:37,680 whenever people play with us. And I hope we get maybe some 1027 00:56:37,680 --> 00:56:39,600 more people playing with us and enjoying ourselves. 1028 00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:43,280 Or maybe if some of our existing Patreon supporters are just a 1029 00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:45,880 little bit more proactive about signing up, that'd be cool too. 1030 00:56:46,160 --> 00:56:48,920 Yeah, we'd love to see more people engaging. 1031 00:56:49,520 --> 00:56:51,360 Yeah, thanks. For letting me rant about custom 1032 00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:54,960 stuff, let's move on to our Arsenal zone. 1033 00:56:55,680 --> 00:57:01,000 The Arsenal zone, Joel. Absolutely, yes. 1034 00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:06,240 Sorry. No, that was great timing. 1035 00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:09,320 The Arsenal Zone is a part of the podcast where we talk about 1036 00:57:09,320 --> 00:57:11,400 a card. It could be card that we like, a 1037 00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:13,760 card that we hate, a card that we like to hate. 1038 00:57:14,160 --> 00:57:16,280 Either way, we're going to talk about it now, and we're going to 1039 00:57:16,280 --> 00:57:18,560 start off with a Patreon submission. 1040 00:57:18,640 --> 00:57:20,720 That's right, it's the other big reward you get for signing up 1041 00:57:20,720 --> 00:57:24,000 for our Patreon. And the beneficiary of this 1042 00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:29,600 reward is going to be that's real noise, Tim S whoa, 1043 00:57:29,600 --> 00:57:33,240 congratulations, Tim. They are a relatively new member 1044 00:57:33,240 --> 00:57:37,840 of the the Patreon and the podcast Even so thank you, Tim 1045 00:57:37,840 --> 00:57:41,360 for participating and not only Crucible, but also with your 1046 00:57:41,560 --> 00:57:45,000 Patreon submission, which is Taloshar. 1047 00:57:45,320 --> 00:57:49,320 So Taloshar the lost Prince is A2 handed sword that swings for 1048 00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:54,160 four and cost 2 to swing. But whenever you activate this 1049 00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:57,880 weapon you have to put a rust counter on it and then attack. 1050 00:57:58,200 --> 00:58:01,480 And at the beginning of your end phase, if Taloshar the Lost 1051 00:58:01,480 --> 00:58:04,680 Prince has three or more rust counters on it, destroy it so. 1052 00:58:04,680 --> 00:58:06,720 You can only attack three times with this weapon. 1053 00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:10,000 Yep, and he had this to say about it. 1054 00:58:10,360 --> 00:58:14,080 Taloshar generic weapons are always a potential problem, but 1055 00:58:14,080 --> 00:58:17,880 why is this the only one? Could we not also get a bad 1056 00:58:17,880 --> 00:58:21,240 generic one hander to go with our bloodied Oval or ornate 1057 00:58:21,240 --> 00:58:23,400 tessen? I don't even if it's bad, give 1058 00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:25,280 me an option to run other bad cards. 1059 00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:27,680 So I'm just like, fucking preach, bestie. 1060 00:58:27,680 --> 00:58:33,080 What a mood. And I when I saw this, I laughed 1061 00:58:33,280 --> 00:58:36,480 to myself a little bit because I'm sure the only people who 1062 00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:39,920 knew this existed was like Dash players and Blitz specifically 1063 00:58:40,040 --> 00:58:42,760 because that's the only time I've ever seen it used and. 1064 00:58:43,680 --> 00:58:48,480 Dad at all players and Blitz. Yeah, you know what? 1065 00:58:48,680 --> 00:58:50,000 You got me. You know you got there. 1066 00:58:52,120 --> 00:58:56,560 There's also there was a There was a brief moment in time 1067 00:58:56,560 --> 00:59:01,000 around Battle Heart in San Diego where people were running it in 1068 00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:06,280 Classic, instructed Anthony Pham ran a dash IE build with 1069 00:59:06,280 --> 00:59:08,880 Talisar. And I do like Talisar and what 1070 00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:11,720 it represents. Like there's always at least one 1071 00:59:11,720 --> 00:59:14,640 weapon you can use. It's a really flavorful card 1072 00:59:14,640 --> 00:59:15,600 too. I agree. 1073 00:59:15,680 --> 00:59:17,760 Like the rust counters and it breaking. 1074 00:59:17,760 --> 00:59:21,600 It's called the lost print. Like any sword needs a fucking 1075 00:59:21,600 --> 00:59:25,160 title after the sword and. The Lost Prince is so evocative. 1076 00:59:25,160 --> 00:59:27,200 You're like, what were you, you know? 1077 00:59:27,200 --> 00:59:31,160 Yeah, before the rest the the Prince, the Prince like lost 1078 00:59:31,160 --> 00:59:33,760 Prince of what nation the. Swords aren't, Prince is. 1079 00:59:33,760 --> 00:59:36,760 Also. Hot take and this has zero. 1080 00:59:36,960 --> 00:59:39,680 I'm drawing 0 conclusions from lore itself. 1081 00:59:39,680 --> 00:59:43,440 But what if Taloshar is like the arcanite sword? 1082 00:59:43,600 --> 00:59:46,040 So like you get the full arcanite suite of armor and 1083 00:59:46,040 --> 00:59:50,040 Taloshar is like the last like. Oh, like like Taloshar reborn? 1084 00:59:50,160 --> 00:59:52,800 Yeah, dude, but thank you Tim for your submission. 1085 00:59:52,800 --> 00:59:56,160 I agree we should have more bad generic weapons so that we can 1086 00:59:56,160 --> 01:00:00,760 do our cool Mimi builds. Yeah, I think Next up on our 1087 01:00:00,760 --> 01:00:01,440 list. I'll go first. 1088 01:00:03,120 --> 01:00:04,040 Clark, how about you go? Oh. 1089 01:00:05,240 --> 01:00:12,680 Thank God for my card today. I am doing Remembrance classic. 1090 01:00:12,800 --> 01:00:14,400 What? Remembrance. 1091 01:00:14,680 --> 01:00:21,080 Oh yeah, I remember that. Card My God Remembrance is a 1092 01:00:21,200 --> 01:00:28,480 yellow 0 cost instant that says when you play this, take 3 1093 01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:31,240 action cards from your graveyard shuffle it back into your deck. 1094 01:00:31,400 --> 01:00:36,520 Spanish Remembrance Remembrance is a really really great card. 1095 01:00:36,960 --> 01:00:41,360 I like it. I am running it into fatigue 1096 01:00:41,360 --> 01:00:46,120 matchups for my victor so I can cycle my visit the gold main 1097 01:00:46,120 --> 01:00:51,600 estate and generate more golds and more mites and I think that 1098 01:00:51,600 --> 01:00:54,680 it's really solid. I think if you need one specific 1099 01:00:54,680 --> 01:00:57,760 card to win a match up and that card will end up in your 1100 01:00:57,760 --> 01:01:01,000 graveyard at some point in time, you should be thinking about 1101 01:01:01,000 --> 01:01:03,160 remembrance as a possible one of tech option. 1102 01:01:03,320 --> 01:01:06,640 I've definitely had times where I'm like, I can run Remembrance 1103 01:01:06,640 --> 01:01:08,360 in Rhiner, right? Just shuffle 3 Blood Rush 1104 01:01:08,360 --> 01:01:11,720 Bellows back into my deck like I can't, I can't be stopped. 1105 01:01:12,240 --> 01:01:16,600 Yeah, who's going to kill me with I have 6 Blood brush 1106 01:01:16,600 --> 01:01:20,560 Bellows in my deck. But I think it's also just like 1107 01:01:20,600 --> 01:01:24,280 any time you're you think it might actually be an option for 1108 01:01:24,280 --> 01:01:27,440 a deck to fuck you over, like throw throw the cards back in 1109 01:01:27,440 --> 01:01:29,440 your deck. Aurora's could have been running 1110 01:01:29,440 --> 01:01:32,320 1 of it just to be like hey, let me just take 2 arc lightnings 1111 01:01:32,320 --> 01:01:35,120 and a flicker whisp and put it back in my deck so I can combo 1112 01:01:35,120 --> 01:01:36,840 in the late game. And like, that could make a 1113 01:01:36,840 --> 01:01:38,640 massive difference in some of these matchups. 1114 01:01:38,640 --> 01:01:42,080 Or you go Garner Flash, Remembrance, Arclight, flicker, 1115 01:01:42,080 --> 01:01:45,200 Whisp Arclight, and then put the Garner Flash in your arsenal, 1116 01:01:45,200 --> 01:01:47,120 Yeah. Like, there's really, really 1117 01:01:47,120 --> 01:01:50,720 cool shit that you can do here, and I think that's really 1118 01:01:50,720 --> 01:01:53,480 interesting and. It pitches for two. 1119 01:01:53,480 --> 01:01:55,360 And it pitches for two. Totally. 1120 01:01:55,600 --> 01:01:58,680 So it's like pitchable for shit. I'm really excited for Joel's 1121 01:01:58,680 --> 01:02:00,760 card. Yeah, let's see, let's get the 1122 01:02:00,760 --> 01:02:05,240 Joel's card. OK, well for my card, I have 1123 01:02:05,400 --> 01:02:11,720 drawswords and drawswords is a warrior action surprise surprise 1124 01:02:12,080 --> 01:02:15,840 and it costs three blocks for three and it's a common so it 1125 01:02:15,840 --> 01:02:19,480 comes in all colors and it says your next worry tech it's +32 1126 01:02:19,480 --> 01:02:22,240 and one power draw a card go again. 1127 01:02:23,600 --> 01:02:27,680 And this card obviously came to light because my dearly beloved 1128 01:02:27,680 --> 01:02:29,920 because I want a battle hardened. 1129 01:02:31,760 --> 01:02:33,800 Actually, I think there were like 3 Cacais in the top 8 of 1130 01:02:33,800 --> 01:02:37,200 that event as well, all on basically the same build with 1131 01:02:37,200 --> 01:02:41,160 this drawsword archetype. And it was originally a car that 1132 01:02:41,160 --> 01:02:45,480 was written off for a long time because it was mostly fodder for 1133 01:02:45,480 --> 01:02:50,640 limited as most cards are. But I think this type of build 1134 01:02:50,640 --> 01:02:53,440 is really interesting because you're sort of like front 1135 01:02:53,440 --> 01:02:56,720 loading a lot of pumps onto your first Sabre and also just like 1136 01:02:56,720 --> 01:03:01,000 sort of condensing your power into fewer turns, which is 1137 01:03:01,840 --> 01:03:05,880 really reversed to how Kasai was played in her earlier style 1138 01:03:05,880 --> 01:03:09,640 builds where you would play like 9 blade runners and you want the 1139 01:03:09,640 --> 01:03:11,800 game to go really long. You extract value that way. 1140 01:03:12,400 --> 01:03:14,680 This time you're just getting free swords and you're doing all 1141 01:03:14,680 --> 01:03:16,800 your 0 cost. Go again and you're just fucking 1142 01:03:16,800 --> 01:03:20,280 slamming face making coppers, making gold and taking bitches. 1143 01:03:20,720 --> 01:03:23,000 Such a fascinating set of interactions because when you 1144 01:03:23,000 --> 01:03:26,400 look at the design it is come to fight with popping a gold on top 1145 01:03:26,400 --> 01:03:28,000 of it. But you don't need the gold to 1146 01:03:28,000 --> 01:03:30,520 pop right? Because it's one resource for 1147 01:03:30,520 --> 01:03:33,160 +32. One and then the two extra 1148 01:03:33,160 --> 01:03:36,400 resources is like popping a gold to draw a card yeah this was 1149 01:03:36,400 --> 01:03:39,120 never played before because when you pitch the whole blue to play 1150 01:03:39,120 --> 01:03:42,080 draw swords, you wouldn't have any resources floating so you 1151 01:03:42,080 --> 01:03:46,120 couldn't play the good one cost go against like run through 1152 01:03:46,240 --> 01:03:48,600 Blade Runner. But these decks aren't on those 1153 01:03:48,600 --> 01:03:51,440 things anymore because they are now 0 cost go against. 1154 01:03:51,760 --> 01:03:56,600 And when you consider Kasai's hero ability, that isn't just a 1155 01:03:56,600 --> 01:04:02,480 draw card, it's also four free 2 free resources because you 1156 01:04:02,480 --> 01:04:05,080 discounted your sword. So if you can swing both swords 1157 01:04:05,080 --> 01:04:08,920 after a draw swords, it is an extremely over rate card. 1158 01:04:09,680 --> 01:04:11,760 And that's the math behind it, right? 1159 01:04:11,840 --> 01:04:16,240 Yeah, so this is technically a like double sided Arsenal zone 1160 01:04:16,240 --> 01:04:21,000 because unsheathed is also like the notable new card from the 1161 01:04:21,000 --> 01:04:22,640 old side builds and the new ones. 1162 01:04:23,160 --> 01:04:28,440 So the surplus of go against that we have at 0 cost is and. 1163 01:04:28,960 --> 01:04:30,320 Trot along. That's so cool, though. 1164 01:04:30,320 --> 01:04:32,680 Like you're saying how that these zero costs are so much 1165 01:04:32,680 --> 01:04:36,040 more viable, like, or we have enough of them that running a 1166 01:04:36,040 --> 01:04:39,360 cost curve with drawswords is a lot more viable because you have 1167 01:04:39,360 --> 01:04:41,440 these zero costs to support it. Yeah. 1168 01:04:41,440 --> 01:04:42,560 So is that what Clark was saying? 1169 01:04:43,280 --> 01:04:45,120 That is what I was saying, but you said in a much more 1170 01:04:45,120 --> 01:04:48,240 condensed way, so we should probably keep yours and cut 1171 01:04:48,240 --> 01:04:51,160 mine. So that's my card for the 1172 01:04:51,160 --> 01:04:52,800 Arsenal Zone. I'm really excited to start 1173 01:04:52,800 --> 01:04:56,920 brewing with Kasai again and I think now we should just move on 1174 01:04:56,920 --> 01:05:00,200 to fuzzies card. Fuzzy, what's your card? 1175 01:05:00,200 --> 01:05:02,920 I've been playing Rhinar. This is the next chapter in 1176 01:05:02,920 --> 01:05:05,280 Fuzzy's Rhinar blog for the public. 1177 01:05:06,440 --> 01:05:09,080 Everyone could just track your opinions on Brute through the 1178 01:05:09,080 --> 01:05:11,800 Arsenal zones. Actually. 6 episodes. 1179 01:05:12,160 --> 01:05:17,280 And like I cannot understate how hip and cool romping club is 1180 01:05:17,320 --> 01:05:19,600 right now. All the Brew players are like, 1181 01:05:19,800 --> 01:05:22,360 oh, now that Aurora is gone, maybe instead of playing high 1182 01:05:22,360 --> 01:05:25,320 variance Agra Reinhar, we play low variance club. 1183 01:05:25,720 --> 01:05:30,200 Like let's bonk, you know, club. There's two resources to swing 1184 01:05:30,200 --> 01:05:32,880 for four. That's so good. 1185 01:05:34,000 --> 01:05:37,520 Audience have to pay 3 for conditional 4 power. 1186 01:05:37,520 --> 01:05:39,800 Now, granted, that's a one handed weapon you're talking 1187 01:05:39,800 --> 01:05:42,960 about if we're doing a no those that's like pitch for three to 1188 01:05:42,960 --> 01:05:44,440 swing 4, right? Yeah. 1189 01:05:44,440 --> 01:05:46,560 And then sometimes you pitch 3 to swing six. 1190 01:05:46,560 --> 01:05:48,600 That does sound pretty sexy, not going to lie. 1191 01:05:48,800 --> 01:05:52,240 But romping club, if you've discarded A6 that also deals an 1192 01:05:52,240 --> 01:05:56,320 extra damage, it's coming in for five. 2 for five as well, right 1193 01:05:56,320 --> 01:05:59,560 as a weapon additional plus one for every card you've discarded. 1194 01:05:59,560 --> 01:06:01,760 OK, just the one plus. One OK, but stay with me. 1195 01:06:01,920 --> 01:06:05,560 What we can do as brute that guard means can't is play A1 1196 01:06:05,560 --> 01:06:09,800 cost before we swing club. Now, this is not the leading 1197 01:06:10,920 --> 01:06:12,880 theoretical. This is not the leading like 1198 01:06:13,000 --> 01:06:15,760 math theory that brutes are all like publishing in their brute 1199 01:06:15,760 --> 01:06:19,080 universities and shit, but it is an idea that I do like exploring 1200 01:06:19,080 --> 01:06:22,840 sometimes. So what I've been using in my 1201 01:06:22,840 --> 01:06:26,600 sideboard as romping Club Rhinar is lead with speed. 1202 01:06:26,920 --> 01:06:30,080 Oh. So if you haven't played heavy 1203 01:06:30,080 --> 01:06:33,920 hitters, limited lead with speed is A1 cost 2 block. 1204 01:06:34,240 --> 01:06:37,040 It is a brute warrior hybrid. It says your next brute or 1205 01:06:37,040 --> 01:06:39,800 warrior attack this turn gets plus three power and create an 1206 01:06:39,800 --> 01:06:42,880 agility token. Because look, even though it 1207 01:06:42,880 --> 01:06:45,600 blocks for two, you pitch a blue, you play lead with speed 1208 01:06:45,600 --> 01:06:47,200 into club, you're swinging for seven. 1209 01:06:47,240 --> 01:06:50,920 You might not be discarding anything, but two card 7 is like 1210 01:06:51,000 --> 01:06:54,520 not bad, but you also leave an agility behind on the back end. 1211 01:06:54,640 --> 01:06:57,960 God, that's so good. Isn't it like it's not 1212 01:06:57,960 --> 01:06:59,680 necessarily what we want to be doing all the time? 1213 01:06:59,680 --> 01:07:02,360 Because if we're trying to play a really defensive romping club 1214 01:07:02,360 --> 01:07:04,600 list, I what am I going to do with an agility? 1215 01:07:04,800 --> 01:07:07,560 I mean, I can do things with an agility, don't get me wrong, but 1216 01:07:07,560 --> 01:07:08,640 I also really want to be blocking. 1217 01:07:08,640 --> 01:07:10,240 And if I'm blocking, I'm not doing a lot of the agility. 1218 01:07:10,240 --> 01:07:14,000 So I only bring this in and really like dirtily matchups 1219 01:07:14,000 --> 01:07:17,280 where they're not putting pressure on me so it doesn't 1220 01:07:17,280 --> 01:07:19,960 make any sense to run D reacts. I bring in leave with speed so I 1221 01:07:19,960 --> 01:07:21,520 can convert my whole hand all the time. 1222 01:07:21,640 --> 01:07:23,760 I really like the mic version of this card as. 1223 01:07:23,760 --> 01:07:24,760 Well. Why not? 1224 01:07:24,760 --> 01:07:28,440 Yeah, it's like 1 for four and then you still have your club, 1225 01:07:28,560 --> 01:07:30,520 which is 2 for four. So it's a 2 card 8. 1226 01:07:30,520 --> 01:07:33,520 It's it's great. Into A1 card 5 the next turn. 1227 01:07:33,680 --> 01:07:36,400 And the agility like really tells your opponent like bro 1228 01:07:36,400 --> 01:07:38,000 you're giving me so much tempo right now. 1229 01:07:38,000 --> 01:07:40,560 I'm fucking leaving behind agility tokens just for swinging 1230 01:07:40,560 --> 01:07:43,800 my fucking weapon. Like it's also a card that I've 1231 01:07:43,800 --> 01:07:46,280 always loved and limited. This card is so good and heavy 1232 01:07:46,280 --> 01:07:49,640 hitters limited and I'm like it can't be that bad constructed. 1233 01:07:50,080 --> 01:07:54,640 I do think your philosophy behind this card is interesting 1234 01:07:54,640 --> 01:07:57,520 and valid, because like as Rhinar, if you're going against 1235 01:07:57,520 --> 01:08:00,800 another nerdily deck, you want to take advantage of not only 1236 01:08:01,000 --> 01:08:03,520 your intimidates, but you need some way to go wider without 1237 01:08:03,520 --> 01:08:06,800 rolling scap skins and ending your turn preemptively. 1238 01:08:06,800 --> 01:08:11,440 So I think this card is a perfect card to test for for 1239 01:08:11,440 --> 01:08:14,280 those kinds of matchup for sure. And I feel like I like it a 1240 01:08:14,280 --> 01:08:17,359 little bit more than agile wind up because I don't need 1241 01:08:17,399 --> 01:08:20,200 indefensive Reinar. I don't actually need that many 1242 01:08:20,200 --> 01:08:21,880 sixes. Like they're good to have for 1243 01:08:21,880 --> 01:08:22,680 sure. Yeah. 1244 01:08:23,439 --> 01:08:26,080 But this lets me convert my hand and makes an agility very 1245 01:08:26,080 --> 01:08:29,840 forward like. And I'm I'm getting to put three 1246 01:08:29,840 --> 01:08:33,040 damage in agility token instead of just an agility token and an 1247 01:08:33,040 --> 01:08:36,000 intimidate. Yes, I I do really like that as 1248 01:08:36,000 --> 01:08:37,680 well. It's generating literally more 1249 01:08:37,680 --> 01:08:39,960 math value than than the wind UPS. 1250 01:08:40,319 --> 01:08:42,000 So that's what I've been playing with lately. 1251 01:08:42,000 --> 01:08:44,800 It's a card that's been on my mind, so I brought a copy to 1252 01:08:44,800 --> 01:08:46,640 sign and give to each of my fellow hosts. 1253 01:08:46,880 --> 01:08:49,840 Oh, I had no idea. So here you go besties. 1254 01:08:49,840 --> 01:08:52,720 Lead with speed. Thank you Fuzzy, I can actually 1255 01:08:52,720 --> 01:08:54,800 use this in my project. Blue deck? 1256 01:08:54,800 --> 01:08:57,319 Oh yeah, totally. You're gonna build a physical 1257 01:08:57,319 --> 01:08:58,960 copy of a project. Blue deck? 1258 01:08:58,960 --> 01:09:01,040 Fuck yeah dude. Honestly it's king shit. 1259 01:09:01,479 --> 01:09:03,880 Yeah. Well, thanks for podding with me 1260 01:09:03,880 --> 01:09:07,200 everyone. Yeah, thank you everyone for 1261 01:09:07,200 --> 01:09:09,680 listening to our episode. If you haven't already, go to 1262 01:09:09,680 --> 01:09:12,279 the YouTube or our Discord and let us know what you've been 1263 01:09:12,279 --> 01:09:15,240 brewing, what you've been playing in Project Blue, And if 1264 01:09:15,240 --> 01:09:17,800 you didn't hear your card, shout it out in the Arsenal zone. 1265 01:09:17,800 --> 01:09:19,760 Don't worry, we're still recording episodes for the 1266 01:09:19,760 --> 01:09:22,319 foreseeable future, so you'll have more opportunities to 1267 01:09:22,319 --> 01:09:26,000 submit your really cool cards. And remember, in High Seas 1268 01:09:26,000 --> 01:09:28,800 spoiler season, we're the only podcast that has spoilers, so be 1269 01:09:28,800 --> 01:09:33,319 sure to join our Discord. And did I miss anything? 1270 01:09:34,080 --> 01:09:37,960 No, I appreciate you so very much Until nursing guys my. 1271 01:09:53,680 --> 01:09:56,280 Pijotumi Podcast is hosted by Joel. 1272 01:09:56,280 --> 01:09:58,880 Racinos, Clark Moore and Fuzzy Delp. 1273 01:09:59,240 --> 01:10:02,880 Our executive producer is Talon Stradley, our logistics 1274 01:10:02,880 --> 01:10:06,120 coordinator is John Farkas, Music is produced by Dylan 1275 01:10:06,120 --> 01:10:10,320 Hulse, logo is designed by Han V and our sound mixing is done by 1276 01:10:10,320 --> 01:10:12,920 Christopher Moore. Last but not least, thank you 1277 01:10:12,920 --> 01:10:15,640 the listener for taking the time to listen to our podcast. 1278 01:10:15,640 --> 01:10:18,280 Be sure to give us a follow on your favorite social media 1279 01:10:18,280 --> 01:10:32,000 platform at Pijotumi Podcast. Like like I'm talking about in 1280 01:10:32,000 --> 01:10:34,920 Crucible, like I make a new. Format every month and I'm 1281 01:10:34,920 --> 01:10:37,640 telling you guys like I'm not putting that much effort into it 1282 01:10:37,880 --> 01:10:41,120 and it is clear like they've done like a you, you put some 1283 01:10:41,120 --> 01:10:44,480 effort into a fuzzy people. Are getting their $5 worth every 1284 01:10:44,480 --> 01:10:47,320 single month? I can rephrase that if you want. 1285 01:10:48,080 --> 01:10:50,520 Yeah, let's not downplay our Patreon. 1286 01:10:52,120 --> 01:10:53,440 I'm going to read it. Hold on one second. 1287 01:10:54,560 --> 01:10:56,320 He was trying to pull a Clark. I was. 1288 01:10:56,320 --> 01:10:58,920 Gonna and I was like. Don't be a Clark, be a Joel. 1289 01:10:59,160 --> 01:11:05,960 Yeah. Don't be a Clark, be a Joel, the 1290 01:11:06,120 --> 01:11:10,400 new tagline. For our podcast, it also blocks 1291 01:11:10,400 --> 01:11:12,760 for three baby. Yeah, I said that. 1292 01:11:13,360 --> 01:11:15,280 Oh, did you? Oh, then I'm just an asshole. 1293 01:11:15,280 --> 01:11:17,480 My apologies. And it blocks for three. 1294 01:11:18,280 --> 01:11:19,800 That's true. Fuzzy, it does block for three. 1295 01:11:19,800 --> 01:11:20,520 Thank you for that.