1 00:00:09,520 --> 00:00:13,480 Welcome to Pichitumi Podcast, a show about the subjective past, 2 00:00:13,600 --> 00:00:16,320 present, and potential future of flesh and blood design. 3 00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:20,040 In today's episode, we discuss the Cleric class and provide 4 00:00:20,040 --> 00:00:23,040 some different designs. You can find us across all 5 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:26,920 socials such as Blue Sky and Instagram at Pichitumi Podcast. 6 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:37,840 I'm Joel, I'm Fuzzy, and I'm Clark. 7 00:00:38,320 --> 00:00:41,480 All right, everyone, we are recording this episode in early 8 00:00:41,480 --> 00:00:42,840 March. It might be a while before it 9 00:00:42,840 --> 00:00:45,080 gets to you because we wanted this to be one of our like, 10 00:00:45,160 --> 00:00:48,040 backup episodes in case stuff's going on in our schedule. 11 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:51,680 We can still give you the best content that you could dream. 12 00:00:51,680 --> 00:00:57,280 Of so hello from the past. So, a little bit of preamble. 13 00:00:57,480 --> 00:01:01,080 The Cleric class. This comes from the idea that 14 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:03,840 there is going to be a clear class added to the game. 15 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:07,760 It was one of the professions listed in the original lore 16 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:10,040 book, so a lot of people have theorized that's going to be 17 00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:13,720 added as a class one day, like Assassin was or Necromancer will 18 00:01:13,720 --> 00:01:17,960 be already has been. I'm hoping it comes out in the 19 00:01:17,960 --> 00:01:22,840 high seas. But what we like to do is that 20 00:01:22,840 --> 00:01:26,440 each host takes a pitch and presents a different design that 21 00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:30,240 they have designed away from the other host of how they might see 22 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:32,400 cleric. So you're going to get three 23 00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:35,640 different ideas of sort of how the class might look like. 24 00:01:36,080 --> 00:01:38,960 And we'll see if any of those end up showing up if and when 25 00:01:38,960 --> 00:01:40,360 the class ever does get released. 26 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:43,440 In the meantime, this is going to be a pretty custom card heavy 27 00:01:43,960 --> 00:01:45,760 show. And hopefully you like custom 28 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:46,960 cards. These are definitely really fun 29 00:01:46,960 --> 00:01:49,600 to produce. And what's the show structure 30 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:52,040 like, Joel? So for today's episode, the 31 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:54,360 structure is going to be each of our hosts will come up with a 32 00:01:54,360 --> 00:01:57,880 major slice, quote UN quote. Clark's going to start us off. 33 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:01,280 Joel will then take over the yellow pitch, and then Fuzzy 34 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:04,600 will round us out on blue pitch. And then we're going to come 35 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:08,960 together and sort of mash all the designs together to create 36 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:12,720 one super cleric and talk about what each of our designs would 37 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:14,880 look like in, in, you know, flesh and blood. 38 00:02:15,920 --> 00:02:21,280 So for my red pitch is titled Religion is for suckers with AZ, 39 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:24,760 we're going 90s. I don't listen to my parents. 40 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:27,400 I'm going to the skate park. Take that mom. 41 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:32,680 So that's because I don't really like the idea of a cleric. 42 00:02:32,920 --> 00:02:35,960 And I think that Prism as a light illusionist is just a 43 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:37,600 cleric. She looks like a cleric. 44 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:41,800 She acts like a cleric. I don't really think that they 45 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:44,240 can do cleric. I think necromancer has more 46 00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:47,800 design space then cleric does right now in the game. 47 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:49,160 Wow, Why did we make you go first? 48 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:53,040 I don't know. Because it's out, I honestly 49 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:57,040 don't know. But I still think that if we do 50 00:02:57,040 --> 00:03:00,240 some interesting top down designs where we start with an 51 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:03,840 interesting concept of building around religion, we can find 52 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:06,960 some unique and interesting mechanics that haven't been done 53 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:09,080 before. But I think it has to include 54 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:11,080 the soul. And I know that the soul has 55 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:15,280 remained as this thing that has been only for the light talent 56 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:17,120 and the light talent special little baby. 57 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:19,200 And I'm saying Nah, fuck that shit. 58 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:21,680 I think if you have a cleric, the cleric has to interact with 59 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:24,200 the soul in some way. And you can't have every single 60 00:03:24,200 --> 00:03:28,200 cleric be a light cleric because I think that would be boring, 61 00:03:28,200 --> 00:03:29,920 dull. Like why even make it a class at 62 00:03:29,920 --> 00:03:31,680 that point? And you know you wouldn't be the 63 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:37,280 first one because Teclovosin the Macropotent also has the word 64 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:39,960 soul to describe all of those cards that are under him. 65 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:43,560 So it's not like this would be the first time a non light hero 66 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:45,560 has the soul. Typically they keep it to light 67 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:48,200 and shadow, but yes, very much so. 68 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:52,560 I think that the way that we are going to make it distinct from 69 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:57,240 light is that rather than focusing on cards entering and 70 00:03:57,240 --> 00:04:00,920 leaving the soul, like with soul flare or removing it to make 71 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:04,240 spectral Shields, removing it to flip your figments instead. 72 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:06,920 The soul is going to be something that you build up over 73 00:04:06,920 --> 00:04:09,840 time. So it's going to matter, 74 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:12,040 literally the cards that are inside of your soul. 75 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:14,560 It's not just going to be some empty card resource. 76 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:18,200 Their text is going to matter inside of the soul, because 77 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:21,480 clerics nurture the soul. Religion nurtures the soul. 78 00:04:21,959 --> 00:04:23,880 Oh, OK. All right. 79 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:25,200 I see you, Clark. Yeah, that's pretty good. 80 00:04:25,840 --> 00:04:28,240 I love this idea for design space because I feel like it's 81 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:30,760 inevitable that LSS is going to do some designs with it, you 82 00:04:30,760 --> 00:04:32,920 know? It makes sense that they haven't 83 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:36,600 yet, but I imagine that like it's just a matter of time until 84 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:40,120 they do. So let's get into my first card 85 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:42,840 design. I call this Psalm of 86 00:04:42,840 --> 00:04:45,680 Deliverance. It is a cleric non attack action 87 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:49,000 card with the prayer aura subtype. 88 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:54,120 It's a 0 cost yellow rare that says the first time you would 89 00:04:54,120 --> 00:04:57,440 gain life on your turn you gain that much life plus one. 90 00:04:57,800 --> 00:05:01,320 This effect is active while Psalm of Deliverance is in your 91 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:03,520 soul. And on the field, right, it's an 92 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:05,960 aura on the field buffing your life gain. 93 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:09,120 And if that aura is in your soul, it is doing the same exact 94 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:10,720 thing. It's also buffing your life 95 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:12,440 game. Yes, very much so. 96 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:17,320 Now this is not a good rate. It's a yellow 0 cost non tech 97 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:19,840 action card that gives you one value a turn. 98 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:24,400 And yeah, that's just not very, very good. 99 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:26,920 But the whole point is that you try to get it into Seoul so that 100 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:29,120 stays around for a longer amount of time. 101 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:31,040 But how does it get into your soul? 102 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:34,600 At the beginning of your end phase, if you have gained 4 or 103 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:38,120 more life, this turn put some of deliverance into your soul. 104 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:42,400 So each prayer will have this quest that you need to achieve 105 00:05:42,680 --> 00:05:45,760 for it to get into your soul. And each prayer would have a 106 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:49,000 different thing to do. For me, this is harkening to how 107 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:52,000 religions have rituals. I come from a Catholic 108 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:56,760 background, so we have very structured ritualistic services, 109 00:05:56,760 --> 00:06:00,240 right where you do the same thing, right? 110 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:03,800 Repeat Hail Mary 15 times, that kind of idea. 111 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:07,040 If you complete the quest, you get the blessing. 112 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:11,280 But you may have mentioned OK, one value every single turn if 113 00:06:11,280 --> 00:06:14,080 that's on the field for the entire game, that's incredibly 114 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:17,120 broken, right? Don't worry at the beginning of 115 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:19,640 your turn, destroy this card if it's in the arena. 116 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:25,680 So you can only really get one value from this card unless you 117 00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:28,320 end up gaining the four life to put it into your soul. 118 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:33,520 This does have Go Again so that you can perform other actions 119 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:36,720 that would gain you the four life to complete the quest. 120 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:38,560 All the prayers will have Go again. 121 00:06:38,840 --> 00:06:43,800 It has no power and blocks for two because LSS loves two blocks 122 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:47,560 now and so do I. What do you guys think of the 123 00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:50,080 prayer design? I really like this pattern, 124 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:53,640 having these auras that give you a little bit of value. 125 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:56,920 You do a little quest and you get that value indefinitely, and 126 00:06:57,920 --> 00:07:00,640 I think that's a really cool, rewarding play pattern and I'm 127 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:02,280 excited to see where you iterate on it with. 128 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:06,320 As the resident soul enjoyer, I really like this design too, 129 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:09,480 mostly because like you mentioned earlier, a lot of your 130 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:12,000 cards, well specifically in Bolton, because you have to 131 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:16,200 charge from your hand, most of your cards are just yellow 132 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:20,440 fodder or charge fodder. And with Prism, all of your 133 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:23,120 cards are really good attacks. So you like be aggressive with 134 00:07:24,200 --> 00:07:26,920 other than like, you know, like a Halo of illumination or or 135 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:28,920 some other Shannon against to get cards in your soul. 136 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:35,480 So I like that the quest to get it into your soul is harder and 137 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:39,440 the payoff is also much better. And you can sort of see just on 138 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:43,680 this card alone that the quest of like getting multiple of 139 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:47,400 these psalms into your or these prayers into your soul is going 140 00:07:47,400 --> 00:07:50,840 to like really turn on the rest of your hero power, which we 141 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:53,920 haven't seen yet, but already I like this design. 142 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:56,120 And that's a great segue. Let's talk about the hero 143 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:59,320 design. I have named my hero Cantor, a 144 00:07:59,320 --> 00:08:03,040 Sears Herald. It's the an adult cleric hero. 145 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:06,680 At the start of your turn, if you have less than three cards 146 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:10,200 in Seoul, you may discard A cleric card from your hand. 147 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:14,120 If you do, search your deck for a prayer and put it into your 148 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:17,920 hand. So this lets you sort of craft 149 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:21,560 the prayer that you need so that you could actually get cards 150 00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:24,160 into your soul. The whole point is that you stay 151 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:27,520 card neutral, but you get to pick the prayer that you're 152 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:29,520 putting in. So you can pick it based on 153 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:31,800 match up or based on what cards you drew. 154 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:33,799 That's going to let you complete its quest. 155 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:37,120 It requires you to have a very intimate knowledge of your deck, 156 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:41,320 but we've seen how decks like Katsu already ask that of the 157 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:45,680 players to understand very quintessentially how a card in 158 00:08:45,680 --> 00:08:47,560 hand might interact with a card in their deck. 159 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:50,480 This is very similar, right? You draw a Sigil of Solace. 160 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:53,880 OK, I really want Psalm of Deliverance, so I'm going to 161 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:57,160 discard some other prayer, get Psalm of Deliverance. 162 00:08:57,160 --> 00:08:59,720 Then I can go Psalm of Deliverance, play sigil of 163 00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:01,440 Solace. There's my four life. 164 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:04,120 It goes into my soul. This sounds like a really strong 165 00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:08,560 hero power. It does, but that's because at 166 00:09:08,560 --> 00:09:11,600 the beginning of your in phase, if you have not gained life this 167 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:14,040 turn, remove a random card from your soul. 168 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:18,240 So it comes with the downside. Yes, it comes with this inherent 169 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:22,480 downside of having cards occasionally have to leave your 170 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:26,720 soul, because otherwise you will just end up doing the 171 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:29,520 illusionist thing where you get a bunch of multiplicative value. 172 00:09:29,920 --> 00:09:32,800 Your soul just gets bigger and bigger and then it overwhelms 173 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:36,120 all of your opponents. And that's not fun, right? 174 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:40,760 I think that's very bothersome to the game, and especially 175 00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:43,040 because the soul is something that's really hard to interact 176 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:45,280 with, right? Only really shadow heroes have 177 00:09:45,280 --> 00:09:47,520 the ability to like, remove cards from Seoul. 178 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:51,160 And I think it would actually be very bad for light heroes if 179 00:09:51,160 --> 00:09:53,360 they turn that into a generic thing that they gave to a lot of 180 00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:57,360 classes and talents. So instead, if you Simply put 181 00:09:57,360 --> 00:09:59,440 enough pressure on your opponent, or if they draw 182 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:03,160 poorly, then they're going to start losing their soul. 183 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:06,240 And it's random too, so they're losing like random bits of their 184 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:07,880 hero. They're kind of like a hero 185 00:10:07,880 --> 00:10:09,240 ability. Yeah. 186 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:14,080 I think some of this like the randomness or it, it's going to 187 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:16,560 depend on really a lot of testing. 188 00:10:16,560 --> 00:10:19,400 One thing that we can't do for these designs is test them. 189 00:10:19,720 --> 00:10:23,800 So we can't really fine tune it. I think there is some fine 190 00:10:23,800 --> 00:10:27,120 tuning to maybe be done with how often and how quickly cards 191 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:29,760 leave Seoul. It all depends on how quickly 192 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:33,640 you can get cards into Seoul and and just how much value are they 193 00:10:33,640 --> 00:10:36,680 really presenting. Also, I'm noticing that even if 194 00:10:36,680 --> 00:10:38,760 you do like let's say you go first, do you? 195 00:10:38,760 --> 00:10:41,960 You win the dice roll, you end up going first, You search for a 196 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:43,680 prayer, you still need to gain life. 197 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:47,480 Otherwise that prayer that you theoretically put into your soul 198 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:49,360 is going to get removed almost immediately. 199 00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:53,160 So even though this is a a really powerful effect, you get 200 00:10:53,160 --> 00:10:55,440 to search exactly for the car that you need or the car that 201 00:10:55,440 --> 00:10:58,440 you want to start building your soul with, you still also need 202 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:02,880 to manage the life game portion of this mini game. 203 00:11:02,880 --> 00:11:05,160 Otherwise this effect doesn't mean anything. 204 00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:07,000 You're just thinning your deck out and getting closer to 205 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:09,000 fatigue essentially. Yeah, we're kind of used to 206 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:11,440 Lavia, where as long as I'm banishing to blood debt the 207 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:14,800 blood that's going away, but this hoop I need to jump through 208 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:17,480 is always there, even when I'm loading up my soul. 209 00:11:18,680 --> 00:11:22,840 Now I do expect equipment that will help Cantor work around 210 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:26,520 those negatives of either being able to like, oh, I couldn't 211 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:29,280 complete this prayer. That's OK, You can like help it 212 00:11:29,280 --> 00:11:31,520 stick around another turn. Maybe the weapon does that. 213 00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:33,560 I'm expecting like a book, right? 214 00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:39,240 The big, the big religious tome that they proselytize from or 215 00:11:39,680 --> 00:11:43,480 and equipment that can as a one time sacrifice, give you some 216 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:45,920 life. So you can be like, I really 217 00:11:45,920 --> 00:11:47,760 need to hold on to my soul in the early game. 218 00:11:47,760 --> 00:11:51,120 I'm going to destroy this, gain some life, and that way I can, I 219 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:52,600 can keep going. Cool. 220 00:11:53,160 --> 00:11:57,640 And I would be remiss if I didn't design A specialization 221 00:11:57,640 --> 00:11:59,080 card so. True bestie. 222 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:05,800 So I've designed Exalted Revelation, a cleric non attack 223 00:12:05,800 --> 00:12:08,200 action card. It's A2 cost yellow majestic 224 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:10,920 that is a legendary Cantor specialization. 225 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:14,680 Only one of these in your deck and it says deal damage to your 226 00:12:14,680 --> 00:12:16,600 opponent equal to the amount of cards in Seoul. 227 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:20,680 Not even arcane, just damage. Yep, straight nuke of damage. 228 00:12:20,680 --> 00:12:24,960 This is Cantor calling down the might of the A seer from the 229 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:30,640 heavens to smite his enemies. Yeah, he gets stronger the more 230 00:12:30,640 --> 00:12:34,400 prayers that he has completed. This is very flavorful. 231 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:38,400 I love the pilgrimage and just like yeah, unleashing this fat 232 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:41,720 stack of damage after building up your soul, it could also just 233 00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:44,680 be like a 0 for four. Like I need to make use of the 234 00:12:44,680 --> 00:12:46,240 prayers because I think the game is going to end soon. 235 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:48,360 Or maybe destroy some ward? Yeah. 236 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:51,360 Direct damage just take out some ward. 237 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:54,840 Very, very doable. And I like how your hero ability 238 00:12:54,880 --> 00:12:57,760 you described, where as long as you have less than three cards 239 00:12:57,760 --> 00:13:01,080 in soul, it's really easy for you to find prayers, to find the 240 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:03,320 right prayer that you know you can sink in there. 241 00:13:03,560 --> 00:13:06,320 And once you get past three, it's still very much possible, 242 00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:09,120 but a lot harder, right? So this card has an expectation 243 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:12,840 that it'll be easy to deal three direct damage to my opponent. 4 244 00:13:12,840 --> 00:13:15,440 still, and five is still possible, still very possible. 245 00:13:15,680 --> 00:13:18,360 But when we think of like this direct damage, like reckless 246 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:20,760 swing, you don't go to two life against a brute. 247 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:23,320 You try not to go below like 4 because if they have two 248 00:13:23,400 --> 00:13:25,200 reckless swings, you're down, right? 249 00:13:25,480 --> 00:13:28,200 So for this class, it sounds like you really don't wanna go 250 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:30,960 down to three live. Yeah, and hopefully not close to 251 00:13:30,960 --> 00:13:34,400 three, but. If you can pressure the cleric 252 00:13:34,400 --> 00:13:36,680 so that they are losing the cards from their soul, 253 00:13:36,680 --> 00:13:40,240 eventually they'll have less and less of that reach of the direct 254 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:45,800 damage. All right, that was my design 255 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:50,200 for the cleric, focusing on rituals and completing prayers 256 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:53,960 and the building of soul, very much sort of harkening to these 257 00:13:53,960 --> 00:13:58,800 ideas of light, which could honestly maybe befuddle the 258 00:13:58,800 --> 00:14:02,680 design, honestly. So I'm interested in seeing what 259 00:14:02,920 --> 00:14:06,240 Joel has designed for the cleric, someone who is so 260 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:09,000 attached to light that there's no way he would design light 261 00:14:09,200 --> 00:14:14,200 again. All right, so for my pitch, it's 262 00:14:14,200 --> 00:14:16,600 titled Richer, Badder, and Holier Than Thou. 263 00:14:18,200 --> 00:14:21,320 And I want to talk a little bit about like what I like about 264 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:24,200 Cleric and how I enjoy flesh and blood, because that like really 265 00:14:24,200 --> 00:14:27,880 ties into this design. Specifically, a lot of people 266 00:14:27,880 --> 00:14:30,800 compare flesh and blood to a fighting game, which I don't 267 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:33,640 think is incorrect, but I don't play fighting games to the 268 00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:35,440 extent that a lot of other people do. 269 00:14:36,160 --> 00:14:40,000 I usually describe it to new players as like playing your 270 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:44,000 favorite D&D characters as like a commander, so to speak, like 271 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:46,840 like Magic the Gathering. So when I had my first like 272 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:50,520 Pathfinder or D&D experience, it's sort of like strengthened 273 00:14:50,520 --> 00:14:53,200 my belief in this like comparison to flesh and blood. 274 00:14:53,800 --> 00:14:56,720 And another reason why I really like Cleric is it's one of the 275 00:14:56,720 --> 00:15:00,360 first conversations, like even before we thought of Pitch It to 276 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:03,760 Me podcast being the name of our podcast, we talked for like 3-4 277 00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:08,760 hours about how a cleric would exist in in flesh and blood. 278 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:11,040 And it just it's always something that I've like really 279 00:15:11,040 --> 00:15:12,480 been looking forward to talking about. 280 00:15:13,160 --> 00:15:17,080 And to Clark's point, he, you know, presents a really good 281 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:22,040 arguments about how light heroes already like, cannibalize the 282 00:15:22,080 --> 00:15:24,880 identity that Cleric could. Have Yeah, they're entirely 283 00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:26,920 based around the religion of Solana. 284 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:30,040 Right. And I think leaning into that 285 00:15:30,040 --> 00:15:34,480 identity is what make is what would, and I think leaning into 286 00:15:34,480 --> 00:15:37,400 that identity is what would make cleric really interesting, 287 00:15:38,040 --> 00:15:39,920 specifically through the use of domains. 288 00:15:39,920 --> 00:15:44,560 So I'm not like the most seasoned D&D player, so if you 289 00:15:44,560 --> 00:15:46,280 hear some inconsistencies, I apologize. 290 00:15:46,280 --> 00:15:49,440 I'm not, you know, that's not really my expertise. 291 00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:53,960 But I think the use of domains can change how a cleric would 292 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:56,520 present itself in flesh and blood, and that's what would 293 00:15:56,520 --> 00:15:59,200 make it interesting to me. Kind of like talents, right? 294 00:15:59,320 --> 00:16:00,720 Exactly. Yeah, like, sort of like a 295 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:05,640 subset of talents, because, you know, a cleric plays very 296 00:16:05,640 --> 00:16:09,200 differently from other ones based on like what deity they 297 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:11,760 want to support or whatever. But first I'm going to talk 298 00:16:11,760 --> 00:16:14,720 about what the generic cleric cards would be and like where 299 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:18,240 the design is rooted in. And so for the first car that I 300 00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:20,280 developed, it's called Channel Divinity. 301 00:16:20,280 --> 00:16:22,680 You might have heard it from like DND or Pathfinder. 302 00:16:22,680 --> 00:16:25,920 It's it's a real ability, yeah. Yeah, and and you're going to 303 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:28,200 see that across the rest of my cards too. 304 00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:31,160 Like these are rooted in stuff that I've seen in Pathfinder and 305 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:34,760 DND. So channel divinity says or it's 306 00:16:34,760 --> 00:16:38,520 a yellow majestic surprise surprise, it's a cleric non 307 00:16:38,520 --> 00:16:41,520 attack action that costs zero blocks for three and has go 308 00:16:41,520 --> 00:16:44,560 again. And similar to the other channel 309 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:47,360 cards in flesh and blood, this one would have the same 310 00:16:47,360 --> 00:16:50,320 mechanics as like channel mount heroic for instance. 311 00:16:50,560 --> 00:16:53,800 So that means at the beginning of your end phase, put a flow 312 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:57,440 counter on Channel Divinity, then destroy it, unless you put 313 00:16:57,680 --> 00:17:01,360 a clerk card from your pitch zone to the bottom of your deck 314 00:17:01,360 --> 00:17:05,160 for each flow counter on it. And it says when this enters and 315 00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:08,720 at the start of your turn, put 2 divinity counters on your hero. 316 00:17:10,440 --> 00:17:15,720 I like the channel cards and I think channel divinity as a 317 00:17:15,720 --> 00:17:19,079 concept of like a cleric channeling the divinity. 318 00:17:19,079 --> 00:17:21,119 It's flavorful. It's right in line of what I 319 00:17:21,119 --> 00:17:25,359 expect the class to be doing, and dealing with divinity 320 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:28,600 counters is a lot different than dealing with cards in Seoul, so 321 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:29,600 I like it. Yep. 322 00:17:29,960 --> 00:17:32,320 I'm really excited to see what these divinity counters do. 323 00:17:32,600 --> 00:17:34,920 If this Channel Divinity is just giving us these divinity 324 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:37,120 counters, hopefully it'd be pretty cool. 325 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:42,280 So for context, this card would get you a total of 2 divinity 326 00:17:42,280 --> 00:17:45,600 counters when it enters, and then on the if you keep it 327 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:48,480 around for at least one turn, you'll get 4 Divinity counters. 328 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:51,160 So keep that in mind as I talk about the rest of the designs. 329 00:17:51,720 --> 00:17:53,480 So now I'm going to get into the hero. 330 00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:56,760 For a little bit of context, this is a light cleric, so I'm 331 00:17:56,760 --> 00:17:58,680 still playing with the light identity. 332 00:17:58,760 --> 00:18:04,520 No, you did go back to light. Yeah, I lied earlier, but this 333 00:18:04,520 --> 00:18:08,640 cleric is specifically a light domain or domain of lights. 334 00:18:09,040 --> 00:18:14,560 So that's again harkening to the D&D mechanic and that's how I'm 335 00:18:14,560 --> 00:18:18,400 going to frame the rest of like these light cleric cars 336 00:18:18,400 --> 00:18:22,560 specifically. And the hero I came up with, 337 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:24,520 well, name is a work in progress. 338 00:18:24,520 --> 00:18:26,800 I just named him Jim the Cleric because I didn't know what what 339 00:18:27,040 --> 00:18:29,800 cool name I wanted. To that is so D&D coded though 340 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:33,040 as Adm. It's like, what's this guy's 341 00:18:33,080 --> 00:18:34,280 name? Fucking Jim? 342 00:18:34,280 --> 00:18:36,160 I don't know man, just fucking move on. 343 00:18:36,320 --> 00:18:38,680 Yeah, this is your question. It's like the 14th PC that 344 00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:40,000 doesn't matter. Please move on. 345 00:18:41,840 --> 00:18:45,280 So Jim, the cleric has four intellect and 38 health. 346 00:18:45,840 --> 00:18:47,800 Because we're going to be playing with life totals. 347 00:18:48,680 --> 00:18:51,240 And so I think when you play with life totals or prevention, 348 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:53,200 you should have lower life. Yeah. 349 00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:56,040 If the if the hero's built around gaining life, they should 350 00:18:56,040 --> 00:18:57,360 have less life. Absolutely. 351 00:18:57,920 --> 00:19:02,320 So his ability reads as a once per turn action and additional 352 00:19:02,320 --> 00:19:05,640 cost of banishing 3 spells from your graveyard. 353 00:19:06,280 --> 00:19:09,680 Remove a divinity counter from your hero and create an 354 00:19:09,680 --> 00:19:11,840 eloquence token and gain one life. 355 00:19:12,520 --> 00:19:16,440 Eloquence tokens are so good, dude. 356 00:19:16,760 --> 00:19:20,320 Like he's a cleric. What is like the one thing that 357 00:19:20,320 --> 00:19:22,200 like priests and clerics are known for? 358 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:25,520 It's being really good speakers. Eloquent. 359 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:27,040 Why didn't I put that in my design? 360 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:30,680 I also think Eloquence, and I think this is something you've 361 00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:34,560 mentioned to Clark, Eloquence tokens are just criminally under 362 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:37,840 populated in the rest of the the rest of flesh and blood really. 363 00:19:38,360 --> 00:19:41,400 So I wanted to find a way to incorporate them without making 364 00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:43,200 them broken. So I hope you'll pay attention 365 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:47,240 to the rest of the designs and see how valuable the Divinity 366 00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:48,960 counters and the Eloquence tokens are. 367 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:52,360 So we can remove a Divinity counter once we've gotten enough 368 00:19:52,360 --> 00:19:55,160 cards in our graveyard to make this Eloquence and Game of Life 369 00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:57,480 correct. So that's one of the big outlets 370 00:19:57,480 --> 00:19:59,920 for these Divinity counters, and it's why we get so many on 371 00:19:59,920 --> 00:20:01,640 Channel Divinity. Exactly. 372 00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:06,200 So for my next design, I've created magic weapon, which is a 373 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:09,440 common place that says you're going to find it in red, yellow 374 00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:12,360 and blue. It's a cleric non a tech action 375 00:20:12,360 --> 00:20:15,440 spell. So this is the first spell which 376 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:17,360 is something that you can banish to your hero ability. 377 00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:22,520 This spell cost 0 resources is a three block with no go again 378 00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:25,320 specifically because of your eloquence token. 379 00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:27,680 So basically you're going to be cashing in your spells for 380 00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:31,200 eloquence tokens so that you can play more of these spells and 381 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:33,320 get effects from them as you play them. 382 00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:38,080 Because this one reads and tell the end of your next turn your 383 00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:42,080 tax gain. When this hits deal 3-2 or one 384 00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:45,840 arcane damage, similar to rolling like AD 4 for the 385 00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:48,000 additional like radiant damage. But I didn't want to use 386 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:49,680 radiant, I just chose arcane damage. 387 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:52,360 And that's like if it's a red, yellow or blue copy. 388 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:54,880 Yeah, exactly. So the red would be dealing 3 389 00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:57,120 arcane damage for every hit, and then the blue would be dealing 390 00:20:57,120 --> 00:20:59,120 1. So without go again, this only 391 00:20:59,120 --> 00:21:02,640 gives you one turn of having the buff because it has no go again, 392 00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:05,840 your turn ends. So only on your next turn will 393 00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:07,840 your attacks have this effect. Correct. 394 00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:11,400 But if you can use that eloquent token cash in that the vanity, 395 00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:13,800 then you can get two turns of this effect. 396 00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:14,800 Being active? Yep. 397 00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:19,600 And since this requires at least a card for your weapon swing, or 398 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:23,720 two cards for like an attack on the turn you play magic weapon 399 00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:28,440 or the turn after you play magic weapon, I feel like getting 6 400 00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:30,280 value from this card is pretty hard. 401 00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:33,240 So that's why I've decided to do 3 arcane damage on him. 402 00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:34,920 Yeah, plus. Opponents can just block. 403 00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:38,120 Yeah, I could see this being really strong if you have lots 404 00:21:38,120 --> 00:21:41,640 of go against, you know, scar for a scar ravenous rabble. 405 00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:46,600 But it also kind of depends on how many you have in kit, right? 406 00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:51,360 I also feel like this design feels a lot like an aura, you 407 00:21:51,360 --> 00:21:54,720 know, where if something's going to give me a static effect for 408 00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:56,920 my next turn. Like, think of like the guardian 409 00:21:56,920 --> 00:21:58,760 auras. The guardian auras don't say, 410 00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:01,480 hey, on your next turn, your first attack gets blank. 411 00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:03,640 They sit around and then they destroy themselves. 412 00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:06,520 And I think part of the reason for that is for memory so that 413 00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:08,920 the players can really easily remember that this is an effect 414 00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:10,560 they're going to get. Yeah. 415 00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:13,920 Although notably, your hero, your hero ability wants to 416 00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:15,360 banish spells from your graveyard. 417 00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:18,400 So putting more spells in your graveyard faster is probably a 418 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:20,640 good reason why you'd want to make this a simple non attack 419 00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:22,400 action instead of an aura. Right. 420 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:24,640 Like it would be a little bit awkward if I had to wait for the 421 00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:28,560 following turn after magic weapon goes away to then banish 422 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:31,720 it to my hero ability in order to, you know, do the rest of my 423 00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:33,200 stuff. Yeah, but you're starting to see 424 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:35,360 the synergy. Like I want to banish my spells 425 00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:39,240 to empower the rest of my spells with like go again on my non 426 00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:41,800 attack actions and then obviously magic Weapon buffing 427 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:44,840 the rest of my attacks. My last card that I want to talk 428 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:49,680 about is Mass Restoration. This is a yellow majestic light 429 00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:53,000 cleric non attack action and it's a spell as well. 430 00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:56,840 So already you're seeing that most of cleric cards will 431 00:22:56,840 --> 00:22:59,360 probably be some combination of spells. 432 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:03,440 And this is also a three block and the text reads each hero 433 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:06,840 gains 2 life each hero, each hero. 434 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:14,520 Yeah, so UPF playable, baby UPF and also Pve playable whenever 435 00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:15,400 that comes. Yeah. 436 00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:20,640 And then it says when you play this card, you may remove one 437 00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:24,640 divinity counter from your hero to increase your healing by two. 438 00:23:25,120 --> 00:23:27,680 OK, so another use for the divinity counters. 439 00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:30,280 We can remove the divinity counters to break parity with 440 00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:33,080 our opponent, right? And make it so that we gain 4. 441 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:36,400 They gain 2. So I was heavily inspired by 442 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:40,040 Coax of the Commotion because that also says when this hits 443 00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:43,640 each year against one life. And I've used that card in 444 00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:46,360 effect to raise my own life threshold because I'm the 445 00:23:46,360 --> 00:23:49,880 aggressor. But I want A to be out of an 446 00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:51,880 opponent's kill range for a certain turn. 447 00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:55,000 So each year gaining 2 life might not be super impactful, 448 00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:58,520 but as you scale up your divinity counters, you will be 449 00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:02,160 gaining 4 life for the cost of two, which is similar to Count 450 00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:04,240 Your blessings. But I'm going to get into why 451 00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:06,320 you might want to cast this spell over Count Your Blessings. 452 00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:10,280 I've also added this new keyword Upcast, which says you may 453 00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:13,800 search your deck and banish any number of cards named Mass 454 00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:17,320 Restoration if you do copy this card. 455 00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:21,880 So what this allows you to do is much like you would in D&D, you 456 00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:26,520 can cast this card at a higher spell level or use a higher 457 00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:29,440 spell slot to make this card more powerful. 458 00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:33,440 However, when you copy this card, you still need to. 459 00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:37,080 Remove divinity counters. So you need at least three 460 00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:39,880 divinity counters if you want to get the Max value of this card 461 00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:43,520 for a total of 12 healing. I really like this effect 462 00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:46,200 because it seems like such an interesting choice. 463 00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:50,000 Sometimes you just want to cast this card when you have access 464 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:53,560 to it, and sometimes you want to wait till you have more divinity 465 00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:55,440 counters so that you can upcast it. 466 00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:58,880 If you're worried about, hey, how often am I going to get 467 00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:01,960 channel Divandi to put Divandi counters on my hero right? 468 00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:05,520 Then I need to be concerned about upcasting and burning 469 00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:07,280 through all my Divandi counters and then what? 470 00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:11,000 I have two 3-4 turns without Divandi counters? 471 00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:13,440 Yep. So maybe you only want to upcast 472 00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:17,320 by one extra copy. Yeah, where the flavor really 473 00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:21,000 meets like good design here is similar to like AD and D game. 474 00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:25,160 If you're getting fucked by this particular enemy, you can just 475 00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:29,280 and expend a really powerful spell to sort of save yourself 476 00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:33,320 or your your your allies. In a similar vein in flesh and 477 00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:37,200 blood, if you're getting farmed by this aggro deck that you're 478 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:40,200 playing against and you're like, OK, I have 3 divinity counters. 479 00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:43,080 I don't know when I'll be able to find enough room to disrupt 480 00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:46,760 them and gain parity back. So I'm just going to upcast it 481 00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:50,920 and gain 12 life and hopefully that'll give me enough time to 482 00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:53,560 get back into the game. But it's still at action speed, 483 00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:58,560 so it's not like you're immune to disruption and you can still 484 00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:01,640 be like Arsenal disrupted if I park this card for a future 485 00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:03,600 turn. So this is what I would think 486 00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:08,960 would be a really balanced way of including life gain into not 487 00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:12,520 only hero power, but the main core cards of a hero. 488 00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:15,440 Because you're you're already on this quest to not only find 489 00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:18,400 Channel Divinity, but keep it around for multiple turns so you 490 00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:21,400 can build up Divinity counters and cash them in for eloquence 491 00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:26,320 tokens and all of that. I think to gain 12 life as 492 00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:29,080 compared to Count Your Blessings where you just need to cast each 493 00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:33,440 card and pay 2, it seems like there's enough going on to make 494 00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:37,880 it balanced. I just had a thought off of this 495 00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:39,400 card, Joel. Like literally while we're 496 00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:40,480 recording. I didn't have this thought 497 00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:42,680 during our notes, but we were going over designs. 498 00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:44,560 New thoughts. New thought. 499 00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:48,520 I think it would be really interesting if Cleric appeared 500 00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:52,080 as a support only class for Pve. Oh. 501 00:26:52,120 --> 00:26:55,720 Sort of like how Bard and merchant are young only or like 502 00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:58,440 UPF only right? It'd be really interesting to 503 00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:02,200 see Cleric as a Pve only support class. 504 00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:05,960 I could see that mostly because I think the offense for cleric 505 00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:10,120 would be a little hard to figure out and make it different from 506 00:27:10,120 --> 00:27:12,880 other heroes. I think magic weapons is a good 507 00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:14,680 like step in the right direction, but I also really 508 00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:17,560 like the idea of just making it a Pve support class. 509 00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:19,600 Yeah. I totally see it. 510 00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:24,480 Yeah, for new thoughts. Yeah, but yeah, that's my cleric 511 00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:26,400 idea. Very heavily inspired on 512 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:29,400 innovating on the light design and moving away from the sole 513 00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:33,840 mechanic, as well as finding a way to incorporate D&D spells 514 00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:37,600 and balanced life gain. So I hope you guys like it and 515 00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:41,040 feel free to let me know if you have any suggestions or what you 516 00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:45,000 think LSS would do to improve upon this design. 517 00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:48,880 But I think we have one more host who has a slice they 518 00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:51,800 haven't talked about yet. Yeah, this is if I did red pitch 519 00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:56,320 and you did yellow pitch, then that must mean talents going. 520 00:27:57,040 --> 00:28:01,880 Right, so it's fuzzy. Fuzzy Oh my God, I can't believe 521 00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:05,360 I am so happy. Fuzzy, what's your blue pitch? 522 00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:09,280 All right, so I've titled my blue pitch Pure for Holy men, 523 00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:12,440 which I think only about 5% of our listener base is going to 524 00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:15,080 understand as a reference to something that already exists in 525 00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:17,400 the world, and that's OK. God knows I don't. 526 00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:22,320 Yeah, what the hell is this? My cleric design is all based on 527 00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:26,920 the idea of purity sanctity, because if you're a man of God, 528 00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:31,120 a man of religion, you need to have a very devout life that you 529 00:28:31,120 --> 00:28:33,480 lead. And I wanted to reflect that 530 00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:38,600 purity mechanically with cards that do not have any abilities. 531 00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:41,040 That's right, pure flesh and blood, baby. 532 00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:43,160 Wait, is this raging onslaught tribal? 533 00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:47,480 Basically, yeah, I'm forming my design around why you might want 534 00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:51,200 to put cards in your deck that have no abilities or potentially 535 00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:53,760 take abilities away from cards in order to get a benefit. 536 00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:56,840 I'm going to start with my hero card. 537 00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:59,720 I've called him Christophe, Purifier of Hearts. 538 00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:04,600 He's a cleric hero and he has the text when an attack action 539 00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:07,000 card you control deals 2 or more damage. 540 00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:09,800 If it has no abilities, you gain to life. 541 00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:14,080 And I'd like to remind everyone off the bat, Go Again is an 542 00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:16,040 ability. I don't think there's a lot of 543 00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:19,920 rules, official rules right now that very clearly outlined, at 544 00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:22,640 least when I was reading through them, what is an ability and 545 00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:25,720 what's like not an ability, even if it affects at a card. 546 00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:29,560 So some of it's going to be me taking a little bit of artistic 547 00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:33,160 liberty with what I consider inability to be go again is an 548 00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:35,520 ability. If an A card has if a card has 549 00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:38,680 go again and no other effects, it would still have an ability 550 00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:40,760 and not be able to trigger Kristoff's effects. 551 00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:43,080 Well, typically it's like if there's something in the text 552 00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:44,960 box, right? I think that's everything in the 553 00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:46,760 text box. Is an ability. 554 00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:50,080 If you could say the text box is blank, then it has no abilities. 555 00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:51,120 That's a good way to think about it. 556 00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:53,520 Other than like flavoured text, I think this would be yeah. 557 00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:55,280 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think this would be a really 558 00:29:55,280 --> 00:30:00,280 good design for like not only really sick full arts, but also 559 00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:03,920 like really good flavor texts, flavor texts of like the events 560 00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:05,840 of Wraith. Because if you're a Holy Spirit 561 00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:08,840 or a holy man traveling through the world of Wraith, you 562 00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:10,840 probably are an observer of other people. 563 00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:14,280 Yeah, yeah, I totally love that. Now I want it even more. 564 00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:18,480 Also, sorry, one more thing, I like how your hero ability is 565 00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:22,240 basically half of Crush, so I'm yeah, I'm gonna name it Smush 566 00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:25,440 smush. Well, the thing I like about 567 00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:29,360 Crush is it like is an on hit, but a little bit more balanced. 568 00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:32,120 It's a little bit of control as to how much damage you're able 569 00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:34,440 to deal, right? If you're leaking one damage, 570 00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:36,760 that's not quite enough. We want to have a more solid hit 571 00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:39,200 in order to give this benefit. And interesting play about how 572 00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:41,000 we block, right? So it's interesting on both 573 00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:41,680 sides. Exactly. 574 00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:45,640 Our breakpoints change, Yeah. And I really wanted this cleric, 575 00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:48,520 like if he's going to be gaining life, which I think is important 576 00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:51,280 to cleric, I wanted him to do it proactively, which is why I 577 00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:54,880 turned it into this on hit. You know, like that's Clark has 578 00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:57,760 said it before on the podcast that if a cleric is about 579 00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:00,600 gaining life, what's stopping someone from just gaining life 580 00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:03,840 and just playing defensively and driving everyone crazy? 581 00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:07,800 And this is my response to that design issue that could be 582 00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:11,000 inherent in cleric. Yeah, I mean, we Joel was just 583 00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:14,040 saying hard to always find the aggression. 584 00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:17,280 I didn't put I, I, you know, mine was a single finishing 585 00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:19,840 spell, Joel. Yours was an aura that had to 586 00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:23,360 augment other attacks. Let's see what cleric attacks 587 00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:26,480 look like. Yeah, I gave this Christophe 588 00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:29,080 cleric for intellect and 38 health. 589 00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:32,520 So you can kind of think of it like the first time I gain life 590 00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:35,960 off my hero ability, I'm at the same life total as most heroes. 591 00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:38,200 It's everyone after that where you actually feel like you're 592 00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:43,120 profiting off your hero ability. I really like these designs 593 00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:46,920 because I love the fundamentals of flesh and blood, and I'm so 594 00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:50,480 excited to get to play so close to what makes a good flesh and 595 00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:52,600 blood card. The first card I want to talk 596 00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:54,760 about is called Sheer Power of Will. 597 00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:59,120 It's a cleric attack action card with no abilities. 598 00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:02,400 Empty text boxes, baby. That's what we're talking about. 599 00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:04,440 Which means it can proc my hero power. 600 00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:09,040 It costs five. It's a common and that red, 601 00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:14,560 yellow, blue, it swings for 987. Holy damage. 602 00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:17,480 So we already have cards in the game at generic that are 0 for 603 00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:22,320 four, blocking for 3/1 for five, blocking for 3/2 for 6/3 for 604 00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:24,680 seven. I'm imagining there'd be a four 605 00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:26,920 for 8 and A5 for 9. This is the five for 9:00. 606 00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:28,440 The Guardians get the four for eight. 607 00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:29,960 Yeah, yeah. Clarify for nine. 608 00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:32,320 Yeah, I like that a lot. And like I said, this blocks for 609 00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:35,840 three, so it costing 5 does give you a little bit of challenge as 610 00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:38,760 to like what you're going to use with that extra resource. 611 00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:41,560 There might be some cool equipment or offhand effects or 612 00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:43,000 other cards that I'll get into in a second. 613 00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:46,440 It also comes in for 9:00. So as far as break points go, 614 00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:48,520 we've already know that like the break points are a little bit 615 00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:51,360 different because you could block for 8 and not proc beyond 616 00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:52,400 hit. What do you guys think about 617 00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:54,520 this card? One note simple thing is that 618 00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:58,440 there is no way to give 2 cards to prevent the on hit of 619 00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:01,840 Christoff's hero ability. Well, if you had two D reacts 620 00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:03,480 maybe like sync blue into sync below. 621 00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:07,800 Specifically 2D reacts which is really hard to come across. 622 00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:11,280 But if you throw 2 cards in front of this, blocking for six, 623 00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:13,440 I'm still going to get to gain life, and I'll still have a 624 00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:15,640 point differential of like 5, right? 625 00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:17,240 Dealing three damage, gaining 2 life. 626 00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:19,520 Yeah. Throwing a huge ass attack is a 627 00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:23,280 really good way to have a card with no abilities still provide 628 00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:24,960 a really interesting challenge for your opponent. 629 00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:28,360 I also see this being as like there you might have like 1 red 630 00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:29,920 but the blue seem really valuable. 631 00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:34,880 Those are easier to block, but just having a 5 for seven, like 632 00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:37,080 that's a really good popper for like president, for example, 633 00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:38,600 that's just like competitive please plus. 634 00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:40,680 Nude loves this. Yeah, absolutely. 635 00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:43,360 Yeah, take the blue ones out against you for sure. 636 00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:46,960 Yeah, yeah, Kristoff isn't getting printed until Nu LL. 0 637 00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:49,560 for seven. The next card I want to show off 638 00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:53,280 is Proselytize. It's a cleric attack action that 639 00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:56,840 costs one. It's another common and this one 640 00:33:56,840 --> 00:34:00,000 does have an ability. It says your attacks, this 641 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:04,960 combat chain without abilities have plus one power and it it of 642 00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:08,480 itself is also an attack that swings for three, two or one if 643 00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:11,639 it's red, yellow or blue, and it has go again and blocks for two. 644 00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:14,920 So if this hero is really focused on having one big 645 00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:18,040 attack, I'm imagining it's going to want some sort of like pumps 646 00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:21,040 to go with it. But I also wanted this cleric to 647 00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:23,280 be a little bit more melee focused, you know, I guess a 648 00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:25,719 little bit more of a knocky heads sort of cleric. 649 00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:30,840 So this attack pumps your future cards with no abilities, but it 650 00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:32,320 also has a little bit of an attack of itself. 651 00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:34,600 So it throws a little bit of damage and it makes it a little 652 00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:37,960 bit harder for your next attack action with no effects to be 653 00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:40,199 blocked. And with that rate, if you only 654 00:34:40,199 --> 00:34:42,320 get one attack without abilities, this is basically a 655 00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:44,280 one for four go again, which I think is pretty fair. 656 00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:47,040 This is like a draft shaft common that I think you could 657 00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:50,080 still slot into your actual constructive decks if you wanted 658 00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:52,440 to. So paired together with sheer 659 00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:57,800 power of will, we are looking at pitching 2 Blues to come in for 660 00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:04,240 three and then 10, and if they do not block 9 on the 10 powered 661 00:35:04,240 --> 00:35:08,000 card you also gain 2 life for a total of 15 value. 662 00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:11,000 Damn 4 card 15 with no disruption. 663 00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:13,280 I think that's pretty balanced, you know, because as soon as 664 00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:15,480 they, I mean. It's pretty aggro, which I don't 665 00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:17,120 think people were thinking of when they thought. 666 00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:19,200 Cleric here. Yeah, this is definitely a 667 00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:21,520 reverse of what Clark and I were thinking about, but I don't 668 00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:22,960 think that's a bad thing. I think it's really cool 669 00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:25,160 actually. Yeah, it's really different from 670 00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:27,160 the other designs we've seen. It's flesh and blood. 671 00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:28,680 You got to play attacks in flesh and blood. 672 00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:31,800 You can sit there and play a caster, I guess, like we have 673 00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:34,720 wizard. But you know, I imagine the 674 00:35:34,720 --> 00:35:38,000 cleric is like almost, almost 1/2 caster depending on how you 675 00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:39,280 want to like roll them up. You know why? 676 00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:44,120 Spell when bunk. Yeah, next I have an instant. 677 00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:47,560 I call it power word silence. That's so cool. 678 00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:51,000 Yeah, I definitely like a similarly inspired, but usual I 679 00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:54,600 feel like all of the cleric things that I've seen in RPGs 680 00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:56,760 that have this like power word effect like in Hearthstone, 681 00:35:56,760 --> 00:36:01,120 right? Yeah, this is a rare one. 682 00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:05,600 Cost yellow color locked at yellow, and it costs one less if 683 00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:07,120 it targets an attack you control. 684 00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:09,920 OK, kind of like, was it blinding beam? 685 00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:13,560 Yes. Yeah, yeah, Blinding Beam cost 1 686 00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:15,120 less if it targets a Shadow card. 687 00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:20,240 Yeah, so you can either target an opponents attack for one or 688 00:36:20,240 --> 00:36:24,240 your own attack for zero and that attack loses all abilities 689 00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:27,040 and its controller gains an action point. 690 00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:29,680 OK. I think like targeting an 691 00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:32,480 opponent's card and having it lose, go again, like Blizzard is 692 00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:34,920 a really strong effect and I wanted to respect that strength 693 00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:37,040 by giving the opponent the action point back. 694 00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:40,160 I'm not trying to scam go again from my opponent's cards. 695 00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:43,360 I'm trying to remove on hits right If I'm targeting my 696 00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:45,800 opponent's cards. Now this could give something 697 00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:48,960 like C&C go again essentially by giving the opponent. 698 00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:51,040 An action point. Yeah, but then you're able to 699 00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:55,160 play D reacts after you play this instant or it's no longer 700 00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:57,600 wiping your arsenal. I think that's worth giving a 701 00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:02,920 card for in circumstances, probably specific circumstances 702 00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:05,120 where there's a particular on hit you're really worried about. 703 00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:07,880 I also want to note there's a really, really cool thing here. 704 00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:10,440 Let's say someone tries to CNC pummel you, right? 705 00:37:10,720 --> 00:37:13,360 And you read the CNC pummel and you respond with this card. 706 00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:17,880 You would take away the pummel effect, yeah, of giving the 707 00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:20,280 attack. When this hits a hero, they 708 00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:23,880 discard a card, but you would not remove the plus four power 709 00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:25,440 that it would be given. Yes. 710 00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:26,680 Is that right? Yes. 711 00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:29,320 At least again, we're getting into like the nitty gritty of 712 00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:30,760 like what's in effect and what's not. 713 00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:33,960 For my cleric design, I was imagining that anything that 714 00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:37,600 buffs power is not an ability. So you can buff the power of 715 00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:41,480 something and it would still work with Kristoff's your 716 00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:44,120 ability and this card would not take away that buff of power. 717 00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:49,120 Because it doesn't say give this card the text of has plus four 718 00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:51,000 power. It just says give it plus four 719 00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:52,680 power. Very cool, I like that. 720 00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:55,280 You could also use it on your own cards to make give them like 721 00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:59,040 pseudo go again so you can swing vanilla card into vanilla card. 722 00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:01,440 Or if you just really need that life game. 723 00:38:02,240 --> 00:38:04,480 Yeah, you can like remove your own effects. 724 00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:07,080 And I also just love the idea of playing this card with something 725 00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:10,440 like, I don't know, like gore belching where you remove the 726 00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:12,840 downside from it. And so you play this part with 727 00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:15,480 gore belching and then it says 0 for seven. 728 00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:18,200 Or ravaged rabble. Yeah, yeah, although ravenous 729 00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:19,880 rabble you're taking away go again again. 730 00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:22,680 So it's just a 0 for five. Well, you get an action. 731 00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:23,720 Point. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you do. 732 00:38:24,240 --> 00:38:26,960 But it's a little bit less on rate than say, like gore 733 00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:29,600 belching. Actually be a 0 for seven if it 734 00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:31,960 hits. Yeah, if it hits, yeah, yeah. 735 00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:35,720 That's pretty good. You're spending an entire card 736 00:38:35,720 --> 00:38:37,600 just to do this instant to remove abilities. 737 00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:39,200 Well, I guess that is like A2 card seven. 738 00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:41,400 Yeah, I mean, some classes take that all day. 739 00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:45,520 Yeah, 100%. So this is the kind of thing 740 00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:48,720 where I think it's fun not just to play vanilla cards, but maybe 741 00:38:48,720 --> 00:38:50,400 cards that have negatives about them. 742 00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:53,960 And you're using your cleric abilities, your magic, in order 743 00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:58,280 to remove the downsides, Purge the downsides from cards and go 744 00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:01,680 back to that pure state. That is the single most 745 00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:03,920 interesting thing about Magic the Gathering to me. 746 00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:06,800 So the fact that you just said that makes me really excited 747 00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:08,800 about about this design in particular. 748 00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:11,160 I'm partially inspired by an archetype from Yu-gi-oh called 749 00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:13,120 Skill Drain. Where there you play these like 750 00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:16,000 cards that have like alternate and casting costs, but they're 751 00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:18,160 worse. And then you play skill drain 752 00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:22,640 and they go back to their original like, like a stat 753 00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:23,320 curve. Yeah. 754 00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:25,520 So you get to play like fat creatures for cheap. 755 00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:29,080 It's kind of fun. So that's my those are my 756 00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:30,960 designs. Now what I think we're going to 757 00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:34,000 do is we're going to take a little bit of a break and come 758 00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:38,000 back to the table with some new designs that we designed only 759 00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:40,640 after we heard each other's. And we're going to try to merge 760 00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:42,040 some of them and see what we come up with. 761 00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:44,560 Yeah. So we'll catch you guys in a 762 00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:46,720 second. All right, we're back. 763 00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:49,880 For you it was only a second, but for us that was like 45 764 00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:51,640 minutes of doing some hard brewing. 765 00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:53,920 Yeah, I'm very happy with what we came up with. 766 00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:57,520 But before we get into that, we have a Patreon submission that 767 00:39:57,520 --> 00:40:00,640 we need to mention for you guys, yes? 768 00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:03,760 If you join at the five or $10 tier, you can suggest a card for 769 00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:06,280 us to shout out at the Arsenal Zone like we normally do. 770 00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:09,520 We're not doing it this time, but we do do it. 771 00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:12,080 Our Arsenal Zone is where we talk about a card we love, a 772 00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:17,360 card we hate, a card we love to hate, and we are going to select 773 00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:21,600 one of our Patreon subscribers. At random. 774 00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:28,680 So if you'll please touch real noise, it is Josh Befield with 775 00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:32,000 Channel the Millennium Tree. Thank you so much for your 776 00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:34,360 submission. Channel the Millennium tree 777 00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:35,640 Fuzzy. What do you call this card? 778 00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:39,120 It's broccoli. I didn't come up with that name, 779 00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:41,520 but it's it's the truth that that tree lives. 780 00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:43,920 Yep, that tree is indeed broccoli. 781 00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:45,840 And Josh eats his broccoli. Yep. 782 00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:49,080 And for the folks at home channel the Millennium Tree is a 783 00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:52,400 three cost earth action aura that's three block and is a red 784 00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:55,240 pitch. And it says when this enters the 785 00:40:55,240 --> 00:40:59,800 arena and at the beginning of your action phase Amp 3 and it 786 00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:02,880 has the regular channel earth effect, so that you need at 787 00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:05,720 least one earth card in your pitch son for each flow counter 788 00:41:05,720 --> 00:41:07,920 on this card. Here's what Josh had to say 789 00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:10,160 about the card. I've been playing a very 790 00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:12,640 different Florian list on Talishar and this card is so 791 00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:16,240 nice to have if I haven't hit my threshold of rune chance or I 792 00:41:16,240 --> 00:41:17,840 haven't. He says room chance. 793 00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:20,120 I think he did it on purpose. So I'm going to say that if I 794 00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:23,680 haven't hit my threshold of room chance or if I haven't turned on 795 00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:25,720 Florian, it's a great earth block 3. 796 00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:28,440 And when I do pop off it feels nice to have that on the board. 797 00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:30,440 Even in the more mid range Florian list. 798 00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:32,840 It's a great card either to decompose with or to have on the 799 00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:36,320 field to pump your rune chance. This is actually the inspiration 800 00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:38,000 a little bit for Channel Divandy. 801 00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:40,800 We went through a couple different ones and we actually 802 00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:44,120 looked at how this card worked as a way of inspiring how that 803 00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:45,720 card worked. We love channeling on this 804 00:41:45,720 --> 00:41:47,840 podcast. Yeah, now if I remember 805 00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:52,120 correctly, someone somewhere got boomed by a particular. 806 00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:54,800 Broccoli Fuzzy Fuzzy played Jail the Millennium Tree. 807 00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:56,560 He gets me and kind of fucked me up with it. 808 00:41:56,880 --> 00:42:00,160 It's a really strong card. I played Florina, their last 809 00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:02,760 Armory. I beat Clark with it and like it 810 00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:04,440 was my first time actually playing with channeled on the 811 00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:06,120 name tree. I got to borrow copies from our 812 00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:07,960 friend Luke. He's on our discord 2 his prime 813 00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:11,680 frog, he's a homie. And I also had a game, the only 814 00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:15,200 game I lost that whole Armory. I felt like if I had played 815 00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:19,320 against my played, if I had played around my broccoli 816 00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:20,960 better, I probably would have won that game. 817 00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:26,360 Yeah, the it's really, really cool because it's like Channel 818 00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:28,840 Mount Heroic in terms of its math or kind of what it's 819 00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:32,360 expected math is. Breyer obviously broke that 820 00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:36,160 math, but by changing the wording of like when this enters 821 00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:39,160 and at the start of your turn you get to amp three. 822 00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:42,520 I really like that because it prevents that ability of 823 00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:45,480 breaking it by throwing a bunch of arcane effects like the rune 824 00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:48,720 chance for Florian. And I what I really like about 825 00:42:48,720 --> 00:42:53,960 this card too is like at face value amping really is like a 826 00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:57,480 wizard keyword. Like you wanna amp your spell so 827 00:42:57,480 --> 00:43:01,000 that you hit your surge threshold but Florian uses it to 828 00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:07,200 really good effect because when you are turned on as Florian and 829 00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:09,440 like your grasp is generating 2 rune chants. 830 00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:13,640 If you have the channel the Millennium tree you with just a 831 00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:16,480 blue you can create a rune chant, have one rune chant come 832 00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:19,800 in for four and then the second one come in for that fifth point 833 00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:23,880 of damage and then swing with reaping blade making that A1 834 00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:25,560 card. What is that 8? 835 00:43:25,720 --> 00:43:28,040 That's insane. Yeah, yeah, really, really 836 00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:29,760 strong. Plus, when you're Rune Blade, 837 00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:32,960 people like bringing AB one into you and then you just get to go 838 00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:36,080 one source of four. I've been even toying around 839 00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:40,000 with an Aurora build that plays Harness lightning so with high 840 00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:44,080 voltage so I can go amp one for arcane, I win the game. 841 00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:47,800 Oh, that's actually pretty. Cool, Very very silly, but it 842 00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:51,320 goes to show like just how powerful like AMP is and taller 843 00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:54,920 arcane numbers are when people are expecting typically lower 844 00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:56,920 arcane numbers. Yeah, it's a really good way to 845 00:43:56,920 --> 00:44:00,680 like break the fatigue too. Like I I've as then I've played 846 00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:04,000 against many Florians who they will just play tree and just 847 00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:06,000 chunk me for big points of damage because like you said 848 00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:09,520 Clark, I only have the one AB and that stacks up over time, 849 00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:11,680 especially with all the other arcane you're dealing with like 850 00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:14,600 stacking a ruin chance. So it's just a really good card 851 00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:18,640 to like, give yourself as the Earth hero some finality to your 852 00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:21,600 game. And so I'm, I'm really happy 853 00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:24,560 with like how both Earth heroes are using it in CC. 854 00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:25,720 Yeah. Love the shout. 855 00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:28,280 Yeah, thank you so much for your submitting. 856 00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:32,040 And don't worry if you didn't hear your card for this episode. 857 00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:35,200 Keep submitting because we do this every time we record an 858 00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:36,720 episode. And sooner or later, we're going 859 00:44:36,720 --> 00:44:39,320 to say your name and your car that you're thinking of. 860 00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:41,800 Yeah, so. Now we're going to get on to the 861 00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:44,000 rest of our inventory where we're going to talk about these 862 00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:46,240 new designs that they came up with after listening to each 863 00:44:46,240 --> 00:44:48,160 other's interesting cleric designs. 864 00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:50,800 Yeah. So this is the inventory section 865 00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:52,960 different from our Arsenal zone and that it's going to be a 866 00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:57,760 little bit longer and we want to sort of try to find the common 867 00:44:57,760 --> 00:45:02,280 ground or ways of incorporating multiple of our ideas together. 868 00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:04,680 So, Fuzzy, do you want to go over the first one here? 869 00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:06,960 Sure. This one is called Hymn of Hope. 870 00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:12,520 It's inspired by my cards that care about like playing attacks 871 00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:15,600 with no abilities and Clark's prayer design where you have 872 00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:18,840 these little auras that give you passive effects in their if 873 00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:21,040 you're in their soul, but you have to go through some quest to 874 00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:23,040 get it into your soul to get the repeated value. 875 00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:25,920 Hymn of Hope is a 0 cost red majestic. 876 00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:28,320 It says the first time you attack with a card that doesn't 877 00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:30,800 have any abilities, give that card plus one power. 878 00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:33,880 This effect is active while Hymn of Hope is in your soul. 879 00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:38,360 To get it into your soul you have to hit with a card with no 880 00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:41,040 abilities and at the start of your turn it destroys itself. 881 00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:42,560 It has go again and blocks for two. 882 00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:46,520 Yeah, very. This is really just like the 883 00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:48,240 mashup of the two designs, right? 884 00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:52,400 The plus one effect is nice because it doesn't get in the 885 00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:54,160 way of the card having no abilities. 886 00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:58,240 The ability is provided by the prayers, and that's the sort of 887 00:45:58,240 --> 00:46:00,640 synergy that I enjoyed between our two designs, right? 888 00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:04,040 The prayers can give us all the cumulative value that you 889 00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:08,920 normally expect from having abilities, and then the ability 890 00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:12,080 list cards can still do what they're good at, which is being 891 00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:14,880 very highly rated. Like I can see playing this card 892 00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:17,800 in my hero because it's giving all of my cards with no 893 00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:20,200 abilities plus one power, right? And I could see it in your hero 894 00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:21,800 that just wants to get extra prayers in there. 895 00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:24,840 Yeah, it's a good prayer and also just like prayer into 896 00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:27,440 wounding blow for five. That's a great card. 897 00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:31,720 Yeah, why not? Also, this isn't like a mash up 898 00:46:31,720 --> 00:46:34,120 of my design at all, but what I do like about it is it feels 899 00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:37,760 sort of like a transcend card in a way. 900 00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:41,080 It gives one point of value, and if you're able to convert that 901 00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:44,120 point of value, not that any of the transcend cards require on 902 00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:46,760 hits, but just. That other card guaranteeing the 903 00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:51,480 on hit you get this bonus effect that now persists for the rest 904 00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:53,120 of your turns with that plus one power. 905 00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:55,680 If we're also just talking about like melding the two hero 906 00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:58,880 abilities, Fuzzy, your hero ability of gaining life going 907 00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:02,640 really well with my hero ability with the wounding blow that I 908 00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:05,680 suggested right? A 0 for four now goes to five, 909 00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:08,080 meaning you have to give 2 cards because if you only give one 910 00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:11,680 three block, 5 power is 2 over gain 2 life. 911 00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:16,160 Now I'm keeping my prayer too. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 912 00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:17,560 I like how that turned out. Nice job guys. 913 00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:22,720 I'm going to go ahead and jump in on the next design. 914 00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:25,720 This was sort of trying to meld what me and Joel had going on. 915 00:47:25,720 --> 00:47:27,600 Now, we did have some difficulty with this. 916 00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:31,520 Yeah, because both of our designs played around individual 917 00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:34,480 mini games that did not play well. 918 00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:36,520 It's not that they didn't play well together, it's that you 919 00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:39,520 want to avoid a bloat by not having too many mini games, 920 00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:40,360 right? Yeah. 921 00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:42,320 You kind of want to just focus on one. 922 00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:46,800 But we found common ground in what we were missing. 923 00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:51,520 So in can't weapon is the name of the card. 924 00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:54,600 It's a cleric non attack action spell aura. 925 00:47:54,600 --> 00:48:00,360 So this is a spell from Joel's designs is A1 cost red rare that 926 00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:03,200 equips a spiritual weapon token into your off hand. 927 00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:05,360 It can block 3. So what's a spiritual weapon 928 00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:07,520 token? Well, we acknowledge that both 929 00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:10,760 of our heroes probably aren't attacking very much. 930 00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:13,120 They're very focused on their non attack action cards. 931 00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:16,880 Also note this doesn't have go again, so you probably want to 932 00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:18,720 give a go again with an eloquence token. 933 00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:20,880 A lot of focus on Joel's designs there. 934 00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:24,320 Where does mine come in? The spiritual weapon is a cleric 935 00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:27,640 weapon and once returned action you can pay 2 resources to 936 00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:31,840 attack with go again. It attacks for three and it says 937 00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:34,800 at the beginning of your in phase destroy this if you do not 938 00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:37,600 have three or more prayers in your soul. 939 00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:40,440 So we were trying to harken back to that idea of the spiritual 940 00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:43,320 weapon spell in D&D that requires you to hold on to 941 00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:47,000 concentration that's represented in these prayers staying in your 942 00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:51,360 soul. And it also has the line, the 943 00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:54,360 text of this card can be equipped in your off hand if you 944 00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:58,600 control a book. So maybe there is a build of 945 00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:02,880 Joel's hero that has its own weapon, right? 946 00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:06,560 Mace or a hammer or something, right? 947 00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:10,160 But if you're going for the more spell cast the wizard, this 948 00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:13,160 could be a way of giving yourself that weapon that then 949 00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:16,840 allows you to fight the fatigue battle, provided you actually 950 00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:18,760 keep up your prayers and your spells. 951 00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:21,960 One thing that this design reminds me of is it says, like, 952 00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:25,960 you have to really, like, pray in order to warm it up. 953 00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:28,440 And then D&D, like, that's the thing you do when you wake up 954 00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:30,520 from your long rest. You have to prepare your spells, 955 00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:31,040 you know? Yeah. 956 00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:33,880 And that preparation, like, to make sure that your spiritual 957 00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:35,440 weapon is all ready to go for your fight. 958 00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:38,360 I feel like it's on theme. Yeah, another thing that I like 959 00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:41,400 about this fusion of our designs, Clark, is that not only 960 00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:45,960 does the weapon have Go Again by, by pitching a yellow, you 961 00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:50,240 can more easily keep Channel Divinity around for for a 962 00:49:50,240 --> 00:49:52,120 subsequent turn. This is exactly what I was 963 00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:55,000 missing too because I basically only had the one spell that 964 00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:58,840 costed anything that I could actually keep my channel around. 965 00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:03,760 And by keeping more divinity counters flowing in, I create 966 00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:06,800 more eloquence tokens which gives my spiritual or my which 967 00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:09,600 gives my incant weapon non attack actions go again. 968 00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:11,760 So that I yeah, it just fits really well. 969 00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:14,400 And I'm also gaining life with my hero abilities. 970 00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:17,680 So I think this flows perfectly with what I was missing as well. 971 00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:21,440 Also, Joel, I'm not sure if you noticed all of the cards that we 972 00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:24,800 designed were yellow. Yeah, I think you were. 973 00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:27,400 No, you had the 1 red in the magic weapon. 974 00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:28,520 That was rainbow. Yeah, yeah. 975 00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:31,160 We had a lot of yellow in our design. 976 00:50:31,160 --> 00:50:33,640 Yeah, I think you're a light believer as well. 977 00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:35,880 You just didn't want to accept it on camera. 978 00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:40,840 And for our last card that we came up fuzzy and I had this 979 00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:43,480 cool collab called Earthly Bounce. 980 00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:47,800 It's a cleric attack action that costs zero is a red, yellow, and 981 00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:50,840 blue at rare. And it says when this attacks, 982 00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:54,960 if you control an eloquence token, this attack loses all 983 00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:56,760 abilities. Which is going to be relevant 984 00:50:56,760 --> 00:51:00,400 because the following line says when this attack hits, its 985 00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:04,800 controller loses 2 life. You're the control, and it comes 986 00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:09,200 in at 6-5 and four. That blocks for 3, so it's a 987 00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:12,880 pretty overstated attack. 0 for six is not anything to scoff at, 988 00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:17,080 especially with Fuzzy's hero ability saying smush. 989 00:51:17,080 --> 00:51:21,400 If you deal two or more damage, you gain 2 health, which is also 990 00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:23,720 negated by the fact that you're going to lose 2 health if you 991 00:51:23,720 --> 00:51:26,400 hit with the ability still intact. 992 00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:30,280 I also think this card is probably a little bit pushed 993 00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:33,200 because it has to hit in order for it to have any downside by 994 00:51:33,240 --> 00:51:36,600 default, so if they're at a really lowlife total, it's just 995 00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:39,160 a 0. Block with it anyway, yeah. 996 00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:41,880 But still, like I really love exploring this design, 997 00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:44,960 especially because an eloquence token is something that doesn't 998 00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:47,680 interact with attacks. So giving my attacks a benefit 999 00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:50,240 just for having the eloquence token out, I think is actually 1000 00:51:50,240 --> 00:51:54,040 like really cool as a way of checking to see if I can turn on 1001 00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:56,880 my other abilities. I really like that I that part 1002 00:51:56,880 --> 00:51:59,880 of it. Yeah, the idea of both needing 1003 00:51:59,880 --> 00:52:03,200 to meet a condition to turn off abilities and the abilities 1004 00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:06,000 being negative things is a really cool idea. 1005 00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:09,480 I don't think it's something that LSS will do for a while, 1006 00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:10,640 Yeah. Then again, I don't know if 1007 00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:13,040 Cleric is something that they're going to do for a while. 1008 00:52:13,240 --> 00:52:14,560 Yeah. So this is definitely something 1009 00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:18,480 I could see them, you know, approaching with similar ideas. 1010 00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:23,040 I also think like the fact that you have to have an eloquence of 1011 00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:26,480 token when this attacks sort of implies like you have to play 1012 00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:30,120 inefficiently to get the beneficial effect of gaining 2 1013 00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:34,320 life on hits and like being able to give some of your more 1014 00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:36,240 powerful non attack actions go again. 1015 00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:39,800 I also like how this card is playable on its own. 1016 00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:42,000 It works well with the hero ability that I wrote. 1017 00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:44,160 But all three of us had different hero abilities that we 1018 00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:45,080 wrote, you know? Yeah. 1019 00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:48,480 And I could kind of see this one being played in your hero design 1020 00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:51,000 drool, where it's just the eloquence tokens that you're 1021 00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:53,200 able to make off hero ability make it really easy to lose this 1022 00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:54,640 effect. And then it's just a 0 for six, 1023 00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:56,320 and that's good. Because if it's a 0 for six that 1024 00:52:56,320 --> 00:52:59,800 loses you to life, It's kind of like it's a 0 for 4, right? 1025 00:52:59,920 --> 00:53:04,440 Yeah, yeah, exactly. So the the the same math that 1026 00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:08,280 binds all of flesh and bloods fundamentals is still present. 1027 00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:10,680 It's just like a little bit different than other cards. 1028 00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:12,120 Kind of like kiss of death, right? 1029 00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:14,160 Yeah, 0 for three, the on hit deals one. 1030 00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:17,200 But we all know. We all know. 1031 00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:20,240 We we know what's going on. We we know what's. 1032 00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:22,840 I know what you are. Yeah. 1033 00:53:24,560 --> 00:53:29,040 That ends our inventory section. We tried to meld our three ideas 1034 00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:34,080 together and I think we're just really excited about the idea of 1035 00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:37,800 new classes and how much design space that opens up the new 1036 00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:40,320 thematic ideas or the new mechanical ideas that they come 1037 00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:42,680 from. If you guys have any thoughts 1038 00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:46,040 about our designs or have any designs of your own, we'd love 1039 00:53:46,040 --> 00:53:50,320 to hear about it in the comments below or jump into our Discord. 1040 00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:52,640 Let us know in there. We have a whole section on 1041 00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:56,600 custom cards where people have a lot of great conversation about 1042 00:53:56,600 --> 00:53:59,360 different designs and ideas for stuff that they have. 1043 00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:05,360 Hell yeah. With all that being said, I 1044 00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:07,040 think that is the end of our episode. 1045 00:54:07,560 --> 00:54:09,280 Yeah, thank you guys so much for joining us. 1046 00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:11,880 As always, feel free to join our Patreon where we're going to be 1047 00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:13,760 talking about our Crucible format. 1048 00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:16,920 And also it's the best way for you guys to send us your 1049 00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:19,160 Arsenal's own suggestions that we can shout out to Cardi. 1050 00:54:19,160 --> 00:54:21,280 They've been thinking about and you really want your favorite 1051 00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:24,800 host to talk about. But Intel Mexican guys, I think 1052 00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:28,000 that's about it. Bye. 1053 00:54:49,240 --> 00:54:53,920 Digit to Me podcast is hosted by Fuzzy Dope, Bark Moore and Joel 1054 00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:56,440 Racinos. 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