1 00:00:01,160 --> 00:00:14,680 Stay tuned for some outtakes. Welcome to Pichitumi Podcast, a 2 00:00:14,680 --> 00:00:17,800 show about the subjective past, present, and potential future of 3 00:00:17,800 --> 00:00:20,960 flesh and blood design. So when James White wrote an 4 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:23,560 article all about the past, present and future design 5 00:00:23,560 --> 00:00:26,600 principles, we jumped on it faster than Zen left the Blitz 6 00:00:26,600 --> 00:00:29,840 format. On Red Pitch, Joel will hold 7 00:00:29,840 --> 00:00:32,360 back his tears of joy post ban list. 8 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:36,800 On Yellow Pitch, Clark will give LSSA performance review of their 9 00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:40,080 founding principles and on Blue Pitch, Fuzzy will sign off on 10 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:42,120 LSS plans for the future of the game. 11 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:45,040 You can find us across all socials such as TikTok and 12 00:00:45,040 --> 00:01:05,800 Instagram at Pigetoon Podcast. I'm fuzzy. 13 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:11,480 I'm Joel and I'm Clark, so this is our first chance to record 14 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:14,680 since Battle Hard in San Diego, and I feel like you guys have 15 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:16,640 some stories to tell since I wasn't there. 16 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:18,480 You guys want to share something? 17 00:01:18,680 --> 00:01:21,280 Yeah, we were one. We were really sad that you 18 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:24,240 weren't able to make it out, Joel, but we also completely 19 00:01:24,240 --> 00:01:26,800 understand because like it, it was a. 20 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:28,800 Long weekend. It was pretty exhausting. 21 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:33,160 And this tournaments are crazy because only top 8 get pricing. 22 00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:34,960 So like, you're going to have a good time, right? 23 00:01:34,960 --> 00:01:37,800 Like you're either going to enjoy the whole trip and 24 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:40,720 probably not making any money back or like that doesn't sound 25 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:42,000 fun to you. I totally get it, you know. 26 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:45,280 Yeah, and even if I went down there and spiked a GE, it 27 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:48,080 wouldn't have it wouldn't have got me a spot in the top 16 28 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:49,440 anyways. So I'm like, there's literally 29 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:50,920 nothing for me to do there. Yeah. 30 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:53,360 And honestly, I should have taken the lesson for mutual 31 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:57,800 because I spent about $100 that weekend to go 1, three drop, 13 32 00:01:57,800 --> 00:02:00,200 drop. Let's go I. 33 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:04,120 Had the worst luck. This battle hardened. 34 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:07,760 Like I'm pretty sure I failed to win more clashes than I won on 35 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:09,560 my victor. No joke. 36 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:14,840 Like ties and just like outright losses. 37 00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:18,680 It was ridiculous. My Azuri opponent had two gold 38 00:02:18,680 --> 00:02:24,840 at the end of our game like that shouldn't be happening like the 39 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:30,720 the look was in fucking sane and it really peaked when I played 40 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:36,640 also for the very first time a victor mirror in the last game 41 00:02:36,640 --> 00:02:39,320 to get into the top eight of a side tournament. 42 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:41,360 Now I did pretty good in the side tournaments, right? 43 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:43,240 Pretty good in the few side events that happened. 44 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:47,000 This was a super Armory with a bunch of cold foil pricing for 45 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:49,400 the top. So I really want to get into top 46 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:53,360 eight. I'm in this victor mirror when I 47 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:58,440 tell you I I. Here's how I'll explain it. 48 00:02:59,480 --> 00:03:02,000 The opponent threw Spinal Crush for 21 at me. 49 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:05,840 Jesus Christ. And the way he did that is by 50 00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:12,040 having 9 gold by the mid game. By the time he cast his first 51 00:03:12,440 --> 00:03:16,120 visit the Gold Main estate, it was fucking insane. 52 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:17,680 But the you were standing. Right. 53 00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:20,680 There the 1st. He didn't, he had eight gold 54 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:22,480 when he casted. It for the first time, yes. 55 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:26,800 Ohh, that changes things. And nearly all of those were 56 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:28,720 from my own Clash cards. What? 57 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:34,800 He flipped a golden son twice. I was watching that game. 58 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:37,920 One both times like. God, because we were kind of 59 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:40,400 waiting for you because we were done with our flesh and blood 60 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:41,720 games for the day. So we're waiting for you to 61 00:03:41,720 --> 00:03:43,760 finish the Super Armory. And so I was walking over. 62 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:46,240 I'm like, oh, Clark's fucked. I'm looking at this game. 63 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:48,440 There's like a 10/20 point life differential. 64 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:50,920 He's got 8 gold and you had like 0. 65 00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:53,440 I'm like the game. Clark is losing this game. 66 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:55,720 I feel bad for my buddy and Co host. 67 00:03:55,720 --> 00:03:56,320 Right. Yeah. 68 00:03:56,920 --> 00:04:01,240 I tried to keep it as light as possible while also trying to 69 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:07,880 manage my incredibly tilted emotional state, but I ended up 70 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:09,360 winning that game. Now you. 71 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:11,080 Fucking locked in. It was insane. 72 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:13,600 I locked. In and I took an insane fucking 73 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:18,279 line where IE striked with go again into CNC pummel, betting 74 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:21,800 that he had AD react in hand and AD react in Arsenal 'cause he 75 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:24,720 had been holding it 'cause he knew I was getting the second 76 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:27,440 cycle for my golden sons. Wow. 77 00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:29,880 And I fuck it, I dropped to two life. 78 00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:32,800 He has a four card hand. I go E strike, go again. 79 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:36,800 He goes takes it, goes from 11:00 to 6:00. 80 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:40,960 I go CNC, he blocks 3. Pummel baby, I win the fucking 81 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:42,080 game. What? 82 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:44,160 Wait, he didn't block the E strike at all? 83 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:45,400 He. Didn't block the E strike, he 84 00:04:45,400 --> 00:04:50,160 was holding on to a macho Grande turn in hand with 2D reacts and 85 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:54,280 he wants to hold the D reacts for what he thinks is a golden 86 00:04:54,280 --> 00:04:58,960 sun overpower. Oh wow yeah that's actually 87 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:02,040 crazy dude I played that so fucking cool. 88 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:06,920 Wait so at what point was this after the the spinal crush for 89 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:09,920 21? A good 8-9 turns. 90 00:05:09,920 --> 00:05:13,840 Oh wow cuz I just one I blocked very efficiently and I think I 91 00:05:13,840 --> 00:05:16,840 played a great game knowing exactly when to throw damage and 92 00:05:16,840 --> 00:05:19,880 he never really got to see his other. 93 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:21,800 Visit the Goldman Estates to play them. 94 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:23,880 The pop off was really kind of funny. 95 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:26,680 I think I saw Clark doing like ice a whole lap around the 96 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:30,440 building. I definitely fist bumped him 97 00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:35,120 first and I said good game and I waited a little bit and then I 98 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:39,600 popped up like I made sure that I didn't like go like pummel and 99 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:42,360 he's like you got me. And then I like immediately 100 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:44,720 jumped out of my seat. I wasn't a fucking asshole about 101 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:47,400 it, all right, but. There was a lot of celebration 102 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:49,760 over with this game of flesh and blood, but. 103 00:05:49,840 --> 00:05:51,960 It was really big for me, you have to understand. 104 00:05:51,960 --> 00:05:54,760 Like, I had lost so many fucking clashes that day. 105 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:59,520 Oh my God. That's almost as funny as when 106 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:01,800 you died to blood that team Blitz. 107 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:03,520 Of Oh yeah, where I'm just like, good game. 108 00:06:03,520 --> 00:06:05,640 And the guy's like, what do you mean you just win? 109 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:07,320 And I'm like, I can't turn on Blood Day. 110 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:11,600 I miss somebody, Bandit. Oh my God, that's so funny. 111 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:14,120 What a what a Clark way to end the day, you know what I mean? 112 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:16,320 Man, it was wild. Fuzzy. 113 00:06:16,320 --> 00:06:18,520 Do you have any stories? Yeah, what I thought was going 114 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:20,800 to be the emotional story of two of us. 115 00:06:22,320 --> 00:06:25,640 I knew going into it that like I had to have a good record at The 116 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:29,360 AGE open that weekend in order to secure my spot. 117 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:33,440 I was already in the top 16, but my place was not guaranteed and 118 00:06:33,440 --> 00:06:38,080 I did not make any qualifying points in The AGEI went like 2-3 119 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:38,680 drop. I did. 120 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:39,760 Not have a good record. Wow. 121 00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:43,720 So I was like, oh man, it's completely out of my hands at 122 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:45,640 this point, whether or not I made the AGE. 123 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:50,160 It depends on exactly who makes top 16, top 12, top 8, and 124 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:55,560 eventually when they made the announcement I was 17th so I was 125 00:06:55,640 --> 00:06:58,680 out of top 16. Oh shit on tiebreakers, right? 126 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:01,680 Yeah, on tiebreakers there was like someone with the same 127 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:04,440 amount of points as me, Zayn, but he had like better top eight 128 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:08,840 runs, so he like was above me. But Justin announced that I was 129 00:07:08,840 --> 00:07:12,400 the 16th player because one of the people in the top sixteen 130 00:07:12,400 --> 00:07:15,440 were confirmed unavailable the entire month of September 131 00:07:15,440 --> 00:07:17,560 basically. So I scraped by on a 132 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:20,120 technicality. I'm the first alternate for The 133 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:21,200 Players Championship. Wow. 134 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:26,120 So I'll still get to compete and maybe even score a little cash 135 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:30,840 money. But so like, it was just like 136 00:07:30,840 --> 00:07:34,760 that cut cut. It was that close for me to like 137 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:38,000 not get the entry to the championship that I've been like 138 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:39,600 kind of working towards for the whole year. 139 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:41,920 But either way, I had a really good time playing. 140 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:45,040 I actually kind of enjoyed playing Zen at the battle hard 141 00:07:45,040 --> 00:07:46,800 end. I enjoyed playing Zen mirrors. 142 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:49,600 I enjoyed like the matchups that were like challenging me. 143 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:53,640 I wasn't like winning as much as like best deck in format might 144 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:56,000 expect, but I was learning a lot. 145 00:07:56,000 --> 00:07:58,480 All right, there was a lot of talk about 130 go. 146 00:07:58,680 --> 00:08:01,960 Let's get to the Meet the Juicy bits of the podcast. 147 00:08:02,560 --> 00:08:07,520 LSS wrote a whole article, James White from the man himself. 148 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:10,880 Yeah, about design. And we did a whole bunch of 149 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:13,440 crazy bannings. Joel, why don't you talk us 150 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:15,760 through it? So for this pitch, I titled it 151 00:08:15,760 --> 00:08:18,320 No Books, No Blocks, and certainly No Bitches. 152 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:22,400 That's because we. Got a lot of. 153 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:24,240 Fucking action with the ban hammer. 154 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:28,920 Mostly for cards that are books and also draw you cards at 155 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:32,039 absurd rates that other cards don't allow you to do. 156 00:08:32,760 --> 00:08:35,280 First and foremost, Art of war. Also, cuz it starts with an A, 157 00:08:35,280 --> 00:08:38,240 it's a first on the list. Yeah, for so many reasons. 158 00:08:38,280 --> 00:08:41,559 Fucking God finally it happened. Art of where it gets banned. 159 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:45,720 This has been abused by pretty much every single Tier 1 aggro 160 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:49,520 deck since its inception. I don't understand how this 161 00:08:49,520 --> 00:08:56,320 wasn't gone a long time ago. I love art of war as like the 162 00:08:56,320 --> 00:09:01,720 idea of this like flexible card use on offense use on defense. 163 00:09:02,560 --> 00:09:05,000 I like it as a generic source of go again. 164 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:09,280 I even did some weird guardian brews as like a way of giving my 165 00:09:09,280 --> 00:09:11,440 attacks a go again with art of war. 166 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:16,520 But you're not wrong. Like it just gets be used by 167 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:18,960 these topped acts. It's hard to imagine a fair 168 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:22,760 version of Zen using Art of War. What I really enjoyed about 169 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:25,600 reading the article was that they highlighted that, you know, 170 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:29,160 Art of War used to have a pretty big cost number one, with the 171 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:32,080 pitching of the resource and number #2 losing a card. 172 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:35,680 And as they printed like these fake tokens like Phoenix Flames 173 00:09:35,680 --> 00:09:38,680 and Crouching Tigers like well, those are both ninja examples, 174 00:09:38,680 --> 00:09:41,000 but there's. You know other ways of like I 175 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:44,800 mean being able to to banish cards, shadow cards that are 176 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:46,360 then playable out of banish sound right? 177 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:48,680 Exactly. You're right, Joel, it's a very 178 00:09:48,680 --> 00:09:51,360 strong card. And I think like the big kicker 179 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:52,800 is that it's a generic card, right? 180 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:58,000 That it has a far reaching effect on the game at large 181 00:09:58,320 --> 00:10:01,240 since any hero they designed in the future could be an Art of 182 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:04,440 War abuser. Yeah, your child hero could be 183 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:05,320 an art of war. Abuser. 184 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:08,800 Yeah, like basically your child playing Art of War. 185 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:14,800 Ten ways to know if your child is banishing. 186 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:20,360 Crouching Tigers to Art of War. And it also like the fact that 187 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:22,920 Art of War is no longer and the game allows them to create more 188 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:28,000 little cute token fake ephemeral shit in the future. 189 00:10:28,120 --> 00:10:31,200 Yeah, and I'm glad they decided to get rid of Art of War the 190 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:35,800 like the broken card instead of like making it so that the 191 00:10:35,800 --> 00:10:38,160 tokens function in a different way. 192 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:40,880 Like I think a lot of people were saying like, oh, you can't 193 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:44,600 banish like ephemeral cards to like art of worst cost or 194 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:46,760 whatever, which is a a fine worker on. 195 00:10:46,760 --> 00:10:50,400 But ultimately I think they finally were like art of war has 196 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:54,000 been the crux of the issue for a lot of aggro decks because like 197 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:56,800 if you think about it, the most you could ever block with this 5 198 00:10:56,800 --> 00:10:58,440 cards. And so if you're drawing like 2 199 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:02,320 cards or like 3 cards in one turn, like of course you're 200 00:11:02,320 --> 00:11:05,680 going to have problematic aggro decks, especially ones like 201 00:11:05,680 --> 00:11:09,720 Ninja, which creates more value the longer the chain goes. 202 00:11:09,920 --> 00:11:12,040 Specifically with another car that got hit. 203 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:14,440 Bonds. Events History, which sees no 204 00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:19,760 copies in CC now Bonds. Is weird because I don't know if 205 00:11:19,760 --> 00:11:22,800 I ever really did this on the pod but like I was a bonds hater 206 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:26,720 when I first saw it and when it first came out and when Fuzzy 207 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:28,440 played it against me for the umpteenth time. 208 00:11:30,240 --> 00:11:32,600 Yes. Because I always saw it as why 209 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:36,800 does a card say combo get another free card to throw and 210 00:11:36,800 --> 00:11:42,720 that always felt weird for me and it didn't make Katsu broken. 211 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:46,600 Yeah, Katsu wasn't exactly like tearing the meta wide open. 212 00:11:46,680 --> 00:11:50,440 You know, I do kind of agree that like, Bonds of Ancestry is 213 00:11:50,440 --> 00:11:53,400 a really strong card and maybe like Katsu can see some other 214 00:11:53,400 --> 00:11:56,920 really cool tools now that his quote UN quote power budget is 215 00:11:56,920 --> 00:11:59,240 lower. Like there's a huge gaping hole 216 00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:03,400 in Katsu's play pattern that is left by Art of War and Bonds of 217 00:12:03,400 --> 00:12:05,960 Ancestry going away. And they did specifically tell 218 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:09,320 us, hey Katsu players, you can expect some cool expansion slot 219 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:12,600 cards in the future. Although we just got one that I 220 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:15,520 already can't play because the whole point of that card was to 221 00:12:15,520 --> 00:12:19,960 play Bonds of Ancestry after it. That feels really bad. 222 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:24,120 There is now an essentially unplayable card coming out in 223 00:12:24,120 --> 00:12:27,160 the next set just because Bonds is gone. 224 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:30,600 But I will say that they can give that card a ton of 225 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:34,160 relevance by just printing another thing that combos off of 226 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:35,760 anything that says Gust Wave after it. 227 00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:39,720 So I encourage everyone to pick it up early because I really 228 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:42,240 think they're going to take that Bonds line of like this combos 229 00:12:42,240 --> 00:12:45,840 off of anything with Gust Wave in the name, and they're going 230 00:12:45,840 --> 00:12:47,880 to put that on a different effect. 231 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:53,160 I also just want to point out that like if you compare Bonds 232 00:12:53,160 --> 00:12:57,520 to I think another ninja counterpart in Lava Burst, Bond 233 00:12:57,520 --> 00:13:00,360 just gives so much more fucking value, right? 234 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:05,320 Sure, like Lava Burst has to be played on this long chain versus 235 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:09,880 like after just one single card, but it starts at 2 power for 236 00:13:09,880 --> 00:13:14,360 zero and it gains +3, right? It's kind of arguably just as 237 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:17,600 unplayable as Bonds of Ancestry, right? 238 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:21,080 A2 for four at base with no go again versus A0 for two with no 239 00:13:21,080 --> 00:13:24,400 go again. But Lava burst ceiling is five 240 00:13:24,400 --> 00:13:25,840 damage. Like that's it. 241 00:13:25,880 --> 00:13:27,680 Sorry. That's like it's baseline where 242 00:13:27,680 --> 00:13:31,720 Bonds's baseline is 8 damage because you go get a 0 for four 243 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:36,080 from your deck. So like, I really saw Bonds as 244 00:13:36,080 --> 00:13:38,720 like a very unfair card from the get go. 245 00:13:38,720 --> 00:13:41,760 I'm happy that it is gone. Ninja needs to go in a different 246 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:45,320 direction than just, well, what if I just gave you more numbers 247 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:50,000 and just higher damage amounts? I one thing I did like about 248 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:54,440 Bonds and the design of combo cards in general is the 249 00:13:54,440 --> 00:13:56,520 disparity between the floor and the ceiling. 250 00:13:56,960 --> 00:13:59,240 That's like the whole idea behind a combo card, right? 251 00:13:59,400 --> 00:14:03,440 If it's not triggered, it's bad, and if it is triggered, it's 252 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:06,200 good. And the disparity between those 253 00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:08,320 is pumped to the extreme in Ninja, right? 254 00:14:08,840 --> 00:14:11,720 Like Bonds was perhaps the worst rate. 255 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:15,480 So if if the combo isn't triggered, it was a 2 for four, 256 00:14:15,480 --> 00:14:17,240 no go again. Awful right? 257 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:21,320 It does block for three, but it also had the best rate out of 258 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:23,240 all the combo cards when it was turned on. 259 00:14:23,400 --> 00:14:26,160 It was kind of like they were experimenting with like driving 260 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:29,200 that rift really wide and you'll know like Katsu will have hands 261 00:14:29,200 --> 00:14:32,280 where Oh, I drew 4 bonds of ancestry. 262 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:36,760 Not my hand doesn't do Jack shit, but it also isn't A0 cost 263 00:14:36,760 --> 00:14:38,600 and ninja kind of likes to have the 0 cost. 264 00:14:38,600 --> 00:14:40,080 So it doesn't fit in with that game plan. 265 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:43,040 Now I granted it's a really strong card, but that's kind of 266 00:14:43,040 --> 00:14:45,160 what I saw in the design that they were experimenting with. 267 00:14:45,160 --> 00:14:48,480 And maybe we can think of this as a lesson as we need to have 268 00:14:48,760 --> 00:14:51,880 higher floors, lower ceilings, which is kind of where that new 269 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:56,160 expansion slot card was. 0 for four is like a pretty like high 270 00:14:56,160 --> 00:14:58,440 floor. I'm like OK with playing a 0 for 271 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:01,720 four and then like it only gets a little benefit off of combo. 272 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:05,120 I sort of disagree. I think the direction that Ninja 273 00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:07,600 needs needs his finality to its combos. 274 00:15:07,800 --> 00:15:11,240 I think the biggest issue with Bond is like, you could keep 275 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:14,200 going. I didn't say anything like this 276 00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:16,120 is the chain. This is a powerful effect and 277 00:15:16,120 --> 00:15:17,840 you're like, that's it, You don't have to go again. 278 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:20,920 Like Lord of Wind, for instance, like it's not super powerful, 279 00:15:20,920 --> 00:15:23,800 but it's, you know, like what, like 5 links wide or 4 links 280 00:15:23,800 --> 00:15:27,880 wide with surging walming. Yeah, 4 links with Mcginchy and 281 00:15:27,880 --> 00:15:29,520 the Lord of Wind. But Bonds event. 282 00:15:29,520 --> 00:15:33,080 Like if Bonds event, so she said, and that car loses, go 283 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:36,040 again, we wouldn't be having this would be a completely. 284 00:15:36,040 --> 00:15:38,400 Different timeline. I mean, I, I still think I mean 285 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:41,920 their whole comment of offensive overload, a single card that can 286 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:45,120 present 2 cards of value seems like the exact thing that 287 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:47,480 they're banning here. And as we get into the as we 288 00:15:47,480 --> 00:15:49,960 talk about these other bands, I think we're going to see that 289 00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:53,680 one card that can present 2 cards worth of value or a card 290 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:56,520 that requires a pitch. But then it gives you 3 cards 291 00:15:56,520 --> 00:15:59,040 worth of value, right? Like that seems to be the 292 00:15:59,040 --> 00:16:02,000 repeatable pattern that we see here and Bonds fits that 293 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:04,200 pattern. It is one card that gives to 294 00:16:04,280 --> 00:16:09,240 value. And I think we've kind of honed 295 00:16:09,240 --> 00:16:11,960 in on like why Bonds of Ancestry was. 296 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:15,240 I mean, we're all feeling very vindicated, I should say, and 297 00:16:15,240 --> 00:16:18,040 that Bonds is gone now, but I wanna move on to some of the 298 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:22,240 other, some offenders and some like to be offenders that 299 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:24,320 they're like kind of nixing now. Yeah. 300 00:16:24,560 --> 00:16:27,840 The first being cash in. I love cash in so much. 301 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:31,520 Not on anybody's radar. I think that was a big surprise 302 00:16:31,520 --> 00:16:33,440 for a lot of people. And they did it now they said in 303 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:36,160 the article, right? They said cash in is not causing 304 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:39,720 problems, but if gold tokens get more common in the future, it 305 00:16:39,720 --> 00:16:41,840 could be. And we have to be strict with 306 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:45,320 our design principles, right? This does not align with the new 307 00:16:45,320 --> 00:16:48,400 game that we are trying to more flesh and blood into. 308 00:16:48,400 --> 00:16:51,680 So we got to Kick It Out, even if it's not doing anyone any 309 00:16:51,680 --> 00:16:53,640 harm or even just just sitting on the corner twiddling its 310 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:55,520 thumbs. Notably, one thing that they 311 00:16:55,520 --> 00:16:59,200 said, Fuzzy, it wasn't just if gold becomes more prevalent. 312 00:16:59,200 --> 00:17:03,600 They say as gold becomes more prevalent, Yeah, they're looking 313 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:07,560 to expand gold and keep gold as this thing that stays in the 314 00:17:07,560 --> 00:17:09,280 game. Why wasn't Victor running cash 315 00:17:09,280 --> 00:17:11,359 in? OK, continue a second. 316 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:16,359 Yeah, surely that's what they're honing against. 317 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:20,440 What I mean, I think Cash and has similar issues with Art of 318 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:22,760 War in that. And Clark, I've kind of seen 319 00:17:22,760 --> 00:17:26,119 that actually both of you in your Rude Blade builds. 320 00:17:26,520 --> 00:17:29,080 Vistray and Breyer would try to run Cash in to be more 321 00:17:29,080 --> 00:17:30,960 aggressive. Like whenever you see it, you 322 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:33,280 get to draw two extra cards and maybe you extend your play 323 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:35,200 lines. And rune blades loved playing a 324 00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:37,720 non attack action and then continuing with the rest of our 325 00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:39,600 turn. I'm not saying like rune blade 326 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:42,560 was gonna like break it this upcoming metal with Rosetta 327 00:17:42,560 --> 00:17:45,080 because I don't think either of them like would really want to. 328 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:48,760 Oh, I would. Have Aurora might have she she 329 00:17:48,760 --> 00:17:52,680 might have sure, but I think the fact that it was generic and it 330 00:17:52,680 --> 00:17:55,640 just equates to two cards like on the first time you see it was 331 00:17:55,640 --> 00:17:58,440 also like something that they noticed in previous play 332 00:17:58,440 --> 00:18:00,280 patterns, which is like let's yeah. 333 00:18:00,560 --> 00:18:02,640 Cut it off right there, especially with money where your 334 00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:05,760 mouth is Wage Gold and Crown of Dominion. 335 00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:09,200 All of those can be run by every single hero in the game, and 336 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:12,480 that's almost enough of a package right there to justify 337 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:15,560 putting cash in in every deck. But next I want to talk about 338 00:18:15,560 --> 00:18:20,200 another card that Zen was a abuser of Orion of Mystic 339 00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:22,560 tenants. Was that really on anyone's 340 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:24,160 radar? I mean, it fits like kind of 341 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:28,240 what they were like mass banning, which is the you're 342 00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:29,960 drawing more cards that you're playing with. 343 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:31,800 And I like their analysis too. Like, even though it's 344 00:18:31,800 --> 00:18:36,160 legendary, it's just not what we designed it to be or what it 345 00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:38,080 ended up being. Yeah, I like how they call it 346 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:41,280 out, Like if some of these tome cards were legendary, we might 347 00:18:41,280 --> 00:18:43,320 consider keeping them. But the fact that you can run 348 00:18:43,320 --> 00:18:45,920 some of these other ones in multiples is part of why they're 349 00:18:45,920 --> 00:18:48,000 removing it from the playlist, right? 350 00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:51,960 And yeah, Oreon was definitely strong. 351 00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:55,080 Like you double transcend your Kasaiya gives you your 4th 352 00:18:55,080 --> 00:18:58,560 resource on a silver platter and being able to play Oreon off of 353 00:18:58,560 --> 00:19:01,480 it and your new cheat card was like really strong. 354 00:19:01,480 --> 00:19:03,120 And I can see why they wanted to get rid of it. 355 00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:05,520 And they even mentioned like Kasaiya is part of the problem. 356 00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:07,920 If Kasaiya wasn't in the game, they would consider keeping 357 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:10,040 Oreon. Yeah, what was it? 358 00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:15,120 They said we were fine with it being 2.33 for three cards, 359 00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:18,040 right? You had to spend Orion to play 360 00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:20,680 the Chi to pitch and another card. 361 00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:23,360 They were fine with that and like technically you got to net 362 00:19:23,360 --> 00:19:26,160 some resources on that because you spent two to pitch, you 363 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:28,480 played the card and then you draw 3, so you do have some 364 00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:30,160 resources floating. They were fine with that. 365 00:19:30,600 --> 00:19:34,080 It was with Kasaya, meaning you didn't have to pitch that extra 366 00:19:34,080 --> 00:19:36,840 card, which then meant that you could play it on. 367 00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:42,600 Leaner hands, and it allowed you to have essentially plus one 368 00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:43,520 card value. Yeah. 369 00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:47,280 And then this on top of like an essential turn or an art of or 370 00:19:47,280 --> 00:19:50,280 turn or both. Like it's just disgusting value, 371 00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:52,160 Yeah. And if I can jump off of that 372 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:54,800 and say I think they banned Tomo Divinity for a very similar 373 00:19:54,800 --> 00:19:55,560 reason. Yes, right. 374 00:19:55,560 --> 00:19:58,640 Tomo Divinity, another card not really on anybody's list, but 375 00:19:58,640 --> 00:20:01,760 like if you look at their principles of what Tomo Divinity 376 00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:04,560 was doing, it was like. All right, this is the tone 377 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:06,720 turn. Let's see if Prism wins. 378 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:10,560 Yeah, it. And it's funny you bring that up 379 00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:16,600 too because I didn't think it was like that bad of a band or 380 00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:19,360 necessary of a band until the prison player started reacting 381 00:20:19,360 --> 00:20:20,360 to it. Sorry Alice. 382 00:20:21,360 --> 00:20:24,720 But like I can see it now. Like the the Domo divinity turns 383 00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:27,800 to set up double aura or to just send like 2 heralds with like 384 00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:30,600 being able to pay for the phantasmal footsteps trigger. 385 00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:34,360 Like this card is a really big power piece and losing it like 386 00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:37,960 like being able to, you know, pitch a a light blue with your 387 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:41,200 vestige turned on is like the same shit as the other cards 388 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:44,160 that we're talking about it. Really felt like deck building 389 00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:47,800 had never really put vestige I've sold next to blue cards 390 00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:52,560 before and the moment that that became the build it became 2 391 00:20:52,560 --> 00:21:00,040 card draw three yeah next I think something that I'm really 392 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:01,560 happy about and a lot of kind of. 393 00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:04,880 Players are like really dooming about is the tone of Aether Wind 394 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:10,720 Band that and bravo find all yeah and tomo final bravo like 395 00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:11,920 this is. Exactly. 396 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:14,360 Like that was how they just stole games. 397 00:21:14,360 --> 00:21:18,120 Yes yeah, that was how they just ripped games out of everybody's 398 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:20,680 fucking hands. Like I'm swinging for lethal and 399 00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:23,280 I got a 20 life lead. Oh, you hit aether wind off the 400 00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:25,360 top and drew 2 Blues? Guess I'm fucked. 401 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:27,600 Yep. I just find it so interesting 402 00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:31,360 how they decided that like the Kano play style is one that they 403 00:21:31,360 --> 00:21:32,720 no longer want to see in the game. 404 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:35,560 You know, in the same way that they don't want to see Artiford 405 00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:38,440 Ninja in the game. Yep, and they specifically call 406 00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:41,280 out pitch stack Kano as a healthy way of playing the game, 407 00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:44,600 and I think it might be their original intent for the game as 408 00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:48,240 well, that Kano is memorizing his pitch stack and showing off 409 00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:50,800 his memorization skills in order to obliterate an opponent. 410 00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:54,160 Right. It's very flashy and it's really 411 00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:56,960 easy for Kano to blow up in your face now, especially if your 412 00:21:56,960 --> 00:22:00,000 deck doesn't run a lot of Blues or if you get just a little too 413 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:05,000 confident for just a little bit. Yeah, and I, I like that it 414 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:09,000 still allows Kano to use his hero ability to have like an 415 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:12,960 extra turn, quote UN quote. But instead of like killing you 416 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:14,560 on the turn you're threatening lethal. 417 00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:18,200 It's like I'm reaching my pitch stack one turn earlier that I 418 00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:21,160 meticulously planned ahead of time and kept track of. 419 00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:24,880 And I'm rewarded for it by using this all these cards in in 420 00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:30,240 tandem to kill you, you know, versus Yeah, the casino Kano. 421 00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:35,720 I think it's also it does suck for Kano players because, again, 422 00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:38,400 Kano was one of those decks that was always a force in the meta, 423 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:41,640 but never the meta demon. It's not like people were like 424 00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:43,720 pivoting to Kano to win tournaments. 425 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:47,200 Yeah. Like Kano always kind of got his 426 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:51,800 points when everyone else kind of forgot about Kano and he was 427 00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:53,960 able to show up as this, like, meta sniper. 428 00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:56,680 Yeah. Or just you have incredibly 429 00:22:56,680 --> 00:22:58,680 talented players. Majin Bay battle hardened San 430 00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:03,400 Diego shout outs and actually shout out is just all the Kanos 431 00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:05,920 from San Diego. They did so wonderfully that 432 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:07,600 tournament. I played against two first time 433 00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:10,080 Kano players. Never played the game before. 434 00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:12,080 First major tournament, playing the game for like less than a 435 00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:15,160 couple of months. Incredible Kano players, a lot 436 00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:17,600 of respect for them, yeah. I think some really talented 437 00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:21,320 people gravitate towards Kano, so hopefully with this band they 438 00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:24,120 take some time to recover, grieve a little bit, but with 439 00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:28,560 the space that LSS has bought themselves to design around Kano 440 00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:30,760 now, like they should flourish in like a year. 441 00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:32,160 Or so with the new tools in Rosetta. 442 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:33,440 We're about to see Wizards, right? 443 00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:36,440 You know Ether Arc dot deck. Yeah, I'm actually a little 444 00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:39,560 concerned about this because this announcement was originally 445 00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:43,160 designed for October 1st. This was moved up because they 446 00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:47,120 saw sentiment really dipping going into a new set release and 447 00:23:47,120 --> 00:23:49,600 said I think we have to do this now to. 448 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:52,800 Keep making money, yeah? I literally keep people's 449 00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:54,360 spirits up about the game. Right. 450 00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:56,080 Like. Why would I invest in a new set 451 00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:59,000 when the meta is not going to support anything in that set, 452 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:00,840 you know? Yeah, I know a lot of people who 453 00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:03,880 are very vocal about like, if this set just doesn't do 454 00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:06,000 anything, I'm done, you know? Yeah. 455 00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:10,680 And so I actually think that based on their original intent 456 00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:14,560 to not release this until October, I don't think Kano's 457 00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:18,600 going to be at the same power. Like I think Kano is getting a 458 00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:19,960 straight up nerve because of this. 459 00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:20,920 Oh for sure. Unless. 460 00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:23,240 Unless Kano. Players completely reimagine how 461 00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:25,680 they play the deck. I don't think Kano's in the same 462 00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:29,280 place now. I think we've got some really 463 00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:31,040 good conversation going on in this pitch. 464 00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:34,440 I do want to wrap it up though with some notable exclusions to 465 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:37,240 the Banhammer, first being blood or spells. 466 00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:38,800 I think that was on a lot of people's minds. 467 00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:41,400 Like why do brutes get to keep this sick ass card? 468 00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:43,800 It's almost literally Art of War, except it blocks for three 469 00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:45,720 instead of giving plus one, it gives you +2. 470 00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:50,200 It's like better Art of War. Yeah, and it like if you discard 471 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:54,280 a beast within it's 100% better. Art of War it doesn't go over 472 00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:58,880 rate until you have played a third card because it's a yellow 473 00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:01,080 one for four. With go again when you played 474 00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:04,760 two cards it gives +2 and +2. I'm kind of loving this because 475 00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:06,800 you guys are such brute apologists right now. 476 00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:09,320 You guys are trying to explain to me why this card is not as 477 00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:12,000 good as Art of War, and that's crazy. 478 00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:17,440 Like the way that I see it, all the sass is fine with a class 479 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:21,240 having Art of War, They're fine with Brute having quote UN quote 480 00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:24,160 Art of War. And if Art of War was a ninja 481 00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:27,400 class card, they would have thought really hard, probably a 482 00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:29,400 lot harder about whether or not it's the right ban. 483 00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:32,600 But the fact that Art of War is generic is part of why they 484 00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:35,160 banned it. And Brute, they were like, okay, 485 00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:38,600 you can have this one tool because it's OK. 486 00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:40,960 And brute for whatever reason. But then how does that explain 487 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:45,000 Toma Divinity or Toma Firebrand where there are these siloed 488 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:48,240 cards that have been banned that provide that intense card 489 00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:51,920 drawability? I think they decided Brute can 490 00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:54,640 have this one and there is a restriction around it right? 491 00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:58,480 Like it, The restrictions you're talking about do exist and they 492 00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:01,560 do lead to a slightly healthier gameplay pattern, but I think 493 00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:05,360 like Blood Brush Bellows gives you a lot of the same negative 494 00:26:05,360 --> 00:26:07,840 agency that they're talking about in this article. 495 00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:11,480 I think they're just willing to allow this one even though it is 496 00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:13,080 an example of what they're talking about. 497 00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:16,120 Tomo Divinity being like these crazy prison combo turns where 498 00:26:16,120 --> 00:26:18,840 you can turn 2 cards into three almost straight up with the 499 00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:20,880 Vestige of Soul. Like that's really strong. 500 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:23,520 Tomo Firebrand. They mentioned the main reason 501 00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:26,160 they're banning it is for future Draconic cards, so that doesn't 502 00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:29,720 get crazy in the future, you know, movie through and you 503 00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:32,800 already know is crazy and it's the ease, right? 504 00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:34,960 Yeah. I also think like Brute in 505 00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:40,560 general is such a good breaker of control decks that this is a 506 00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:43,480 good way of leaking damage versus the hyper fatigue decks 507 00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:46,400 or the the decks that just like want to sit back and block all 508 00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:49,960 day like it makes. And you're playing fair most of 509 00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:54,040 the game as brew other than like KO and Levia pre art of war 510 00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:57,320 band. And so like this one turn, we 511 00:26:57,320 --> 00:26:59,960 get to break parody and get a little bit more value for your 512 00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:04,360 for your car, just like fine in out in my opinion. 513 00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:07,200 And you guys are right that like a random discard is a lot less 514 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:09,880 abusable than a banishing of a token Crouching tiger. 515 00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:12,360 Yeah, if lutterish fellow said beat chest on it. 516 00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:18,160 Way different, holy shit, way different cooking, but I think 517 00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:20,760 that's about it. I think we covered most of the 518 00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:22,240 bands other than like Telma Firebrand. 519 00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:23,800 But like, who the fuck was playing that anyways? 520 00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:28,680 But now I want to hear about Clark and his analysis of Fab's 521 00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:31,040 old design principles. So why don't you take it away, 522 00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:33,640 Clark? Yeah, So James White, thank you 523 00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:36,680 for coming in. I'm just going to be sitting 524 00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:38,720 here in the back of the room with my little clipboard. 525 00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:42,800 Pretend like I'm not even here. Just do your thing, baby. 526 00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:48,160 I'm not even here. So I'm going to do a little 527 00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:49,880 performance review of the past five years. 528 00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:52,960 Now I have AI know I haven't been playing for the full past 529 00:27:53,360 --> 00:27:55,440 five years of the game. You're a new hire. 530 00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:58,960 I'm a new hire and so it's a little weird for me to be the 531 00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:02,920 one in this position with the clipboard, but we're going to 532 00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:04,600 get through this together, OK? There's going to be a 533 00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:06,600 conversation afterwards. It's going to be OK. 534 00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:13,680 So in the article they talk about taking a long term look at 535 00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:17,480 their guiding design principles for the game and they started 536 00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:20,680 with their initial game design principles. 537 00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:25,960 Literally a sheet of paper that they sent to every single LGS 538 00:28:26,120 --> 00:28:30,200 with the starter kit, probably also with like the IRA starter 539 00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:33,960 decks, I would imagine, right? Like this is this is the 540 00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:38,480 beginning of flesh and blood. And therefore starting design 541 00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:43,680 principles were start full, reduce variance, every card 542 00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:47,760 counts and reward good decisions, not good luck. 543 00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:52,520 So we're going to be talking about these four, how I think 544 00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:56,800 they started and how I think they've changed to today. 545 00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:01,240 And the first thing I want to put out there is this is really 546 00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:04,200 more of a sales pitch, right? I think so. 547 00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:08,120 To me this reads as a sales pitch if you go read the 548 00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:09,800 article. Which by the way, certified 549 00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:12,680 banger. But when I read these, it really 550 00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:17,360 sounds like it's trying to tell an LGS, hey, this is what's good 551 00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:18,920 about the game. This is how you sell the game to 552 00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:21,720 other people. Me, I'm not like other card 553 00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:25,480 games. And it's not. 554 00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:30,560 It's not, Yeah. I would say just about every 555 00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:36,960 single one of these is fulfilled by two rules in the game, the 556 00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:39,720 pitch system and drawing at the end of every turn. 557 00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:43,560 Like all four of these principles, I think, are 558 00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:46,520 fulfilled by those two things. I feel like the equipment. 559 00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:49,840 The equipment did with the start full, yes. 560 00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:53,000 Yeah, but like reducing variants, making every card 561 00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:57,520 count, and then like having to win the game over multiple turns 562 00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:00,320 rather than like a single turn or a single draw. 563 00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:03,520 I think all of that is dictated by those two rules. 564 00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:07,520 The fact that your cards that you play are also the cards that 565 00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:10,520 you pitch, and they have this color scaling system, right? 566 00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:15,320 More resources, less power, more power, less resources that trade 567 00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:18,720 off the pitch system. It reduces variance because it 568 00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:21,360 means every single hand that you draw, you have the ability to 569 00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:27,320 play something or block, right. Every card counts. 570 00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:29,760 You're going to see every single card in your deck because you're 571 00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:32,560 putting it back into your deck. No cards are wasted. 572 00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:35,640 They're always either interacting in the game in some 573 00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:38,720 way on the combat chain. You're playing it for its effect 574 00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:42,520 or you are pitching it to play other cards, so every single 575 00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:44,200 card in every single hand matters. 576 00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:47,160 You're never going to have a dead draw like in Magic when 577 00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:51,040 it's turned 20 and you're like, oh boy, my 16th land. 578 00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:56,760 What a top deck. That's never going to happen in 579 00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:59,360 this game, right? Every single draw is going to be 580 00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:02,600 important to your game plan and the way that the game shakes 581 00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:05,160 out. You all like if there's an out, 582 00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:08,520 you can draw to your out and you can do that every single turn. 583 00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:10,800 And I love how in the article they don't say Magic the 584 00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:13,160 Gathering but you can like feel it coming from their 585 00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:16,520 description. Oh yeah, yeah, like fuck that 586 00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:18,080 bitch in particular, but we're not gonna. 587 00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:21,720 Compared to some other game systems that load variants onto 588 00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:25,000 the ability of players to access base resources plans. 589 00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:29,720 Often when a player lands on the wrong side of this variance, 590 00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:32,920 it's right there in the Wow. Actually fuzzy, now that you've 591 00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:34,440 said it. Like a catty little bitch. 592 00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:39,400 Like I didn't see the magic reference, like I didn't see 593 00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:43,080 that, but the moment that you're like Lance, it's right there in 594 00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:47,200 black and white these. Are the skills I bring to the 595 00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:55,880 podcast as the token gay? And then finally, I also think 596 00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:59,640 drawing every single turn means that like no one single hand is 597 00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:01,920 going to make the difference in whether or not you win or lose 598 00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:04,440 the game. It's it's going to have to 599 00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:06,680 happen over multiple turns because you're seeing your 600 00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:11,280 entire deck, you're having at least what, 15 turns? 601 00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:14,200 Yeah, there's not going to be one single turn that wins you 602 00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:16,080 the game, right? It's going to have to be an 603 00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:20,680 accumulation. So one is I think they 604 00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:24,680 accomplished these four things from the get go, and I don't 605 00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:27,960 know if that has been like guiding design principles ever 606 00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:31,920 since, if that makes sense. When we also talk about like the 607 00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:36,320 eras of the game, there was like Fab at the beginning, which was 608 00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:39,400 what? Welcome to Wraith and Arcane 609 00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:43,000 Rising. And then there was like Fab one 610 00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:45,440 point O, which was like Monarch and Tales of Aria. 611 00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:50,760 And then there was Fab 2 point or no, it probably went past 612 00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:52,040 that, right? Was dynasty. 613 00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:54,880 Would we include dynasty in this dynasty outsiders. 614 00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:57,640 So like I, I started playing the game in Fab 2 point O. 615 00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:01,040 But if you look at Fab one point O and then look at the cards 616 00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:07,520 that they're banning. I'm just saying. 617 00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:11,040 I'm just saying you. Know I have always felt like 618 00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:14,040 they should just ban like a bunch of fucking majestics for 619 00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:15,840 the first couple years of the game because they're just. 620 00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:19,440 They're just getting more powerful the more or the larger 621 00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:22,280 the card pool. I think a lot of players in this 622 00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:25,800 game, especially a lot of the storied older voices, really 623 00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:29,560 need to be aware of how much nostalgia they have for the 624 00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:31,760 beginning of this game. Yeah, a lot of these broken 625 00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:34,600 cards and cards that are breaking the game are these 626 00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:38,800 older cards. Like I remember how many times 627 00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:42,000 someone said, like, Oh my God, Living Legends, the best format 628 00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:44,200 right now. Like, that's the, that's the 629 00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:45,760 best. That's real flesh and blood. 630 00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:47,400 That's the flesh and blood I fell in love with. 631 00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:52,560 And I'm like, that's just as fucking broken, if anything, 632 00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:55,280 more broken, right? When we talk about our 633 00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:59,200 degeneracy episode, Zen is the only like current hero that we 634 00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:01,240 are really spending a lot of time talking about. 635 00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:04,880 Apart from that, it was all the heroes that living Legend out. 636 00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:10,199 So I think the game's always kind of had issues with balance 637 00:34:10,199 --> 00:34:13,360 and adhering to like healthier game principles. 638 00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:16,679 I think it's because when they looked at these four points, 639 00:34:16,679 --> 00:34:19,880 start full, reduce variance, every card counts and reward 640 00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:26,040 good decisions, not good luck. I think that it was already 641 00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:29,520 being accomplished as long as you had cards that could pitch 642 00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:32,120 and not win the game in like a turn. 643 00:34:32,199 --> 00:34:40,239 Yeah, so take that, LL enjoyers. Moving on. 644 00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:44,800 I do want to talk a little bit about the every card counts 645 00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:47,199 because they gave another really good insight. 646 00:34:47,199 --> 00:34:50,239 They repeated this insight. We've heard it before from LSS, 647 00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:55,120 but I want to reiterate it. Not every game, not every hero 648 00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:58,760 is looking to go to second cycle, nor should they. 649 00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:02,760 But it needs to be a very important part of the meta game 650 00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:05,360 and happen often enough that players are always having to 651 00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:08,560 think about it. I think that's the right sweet 652 00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:11,240 spot. It's a very specific sweet spot, 653 00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:15,800 but it sounds right, you know? Yeah, if it, if it becomes every 654 00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:20,080 single game, you have to pitch stack or if it becomes every 655 00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:22,400 single game, it doesn't matter what you're pitching because 656 00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:24,320 it's going to be over in the first five turns. 657 00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:29,480 It's not a healthy game. Yeah, like at some point the the 658 00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:33,120 core mechanics who you're playing with, IE pitching like 659 00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:36,880 that has to matter beyond just like getting just enough Blues 660 00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:39,520 to play your powerful cards and the and then the game's over. 661 00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:42,480 Like you have to face the consequences of your actions at 662 00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:44,120 some point. And that's why I like control 663 00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:48,040 decks because they force you to go to second cycle and test like 664 00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:51,560 the mettle of the aggro player or the the person like putting 665 00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:55,840 on the aggression. 100% and I love that we do have those decks 666 00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:59,960 to do that too because as an aggro player, I do enjoy having 667 00:35:59,960 --> 00:36:02,880 to think about my pitch stack and plan it out accordingly. 668 00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:05,560 I really enjoyed doing that for Victor for the past two months. 669 00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:08,160 It's like paying attention to my pitch stack and making it all 670 00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:13,720 work nicely. But really it's that fourth 671 00:36:13,720 --> 00:36:15,960 point that I think there was the most conversation on. 672 00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:17,600 It's also what they wrote the most on. 673 00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:21,320 Reward good decisions, not good luck. 674 00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:24,240 Do we think LSS has been doing that? 675 00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:27,760 I don't know if we're looking across the whole game's history, 676 00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:30,840 I think there have been definitely times where aggro 677 00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:34,160 decks have been at the forefront, and those can be very 678 00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:36,680 swingy based on what cards you draw and at what time. 679 00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:39,720 You know, like if Briar gets Chinaman Heroic, that's pretty 680 00:36:39,720 --> 00:36:42,160 good. But also like there have been 681 00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:44,920 control decks along the way that reward that really tight play 682 00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:46,440 style. Like you're talking about Joel. 683 00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:51,160 And it's not like every Meadow was always dominated by a brain 684 00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:54,280 dead aggro hero at the top. And there's even a lot of skill 685 00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:57,520 expression in those decks. Maybe I'm biased because I like 686 00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:01,400 to play aggro decks, so I like so and I feel challenged when I 687 00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:04,240 play aggro decks at tournaments. You know, I think there's a lot 688 00:37:04,240 --> 00:37:07,760 that I'm trying to think about and there's ways that my plays 689 00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:10,920 been increasing in skill over the last time. 690 00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:14,360 Like I'm always learning a lot in this game and I feel like 691 00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:17,080 those good decisions are rewarded as I'm learning and I'm 692 00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:19,080 ready for them to pay off in the future. 693 00:37:19,240 --> 00:37:22,000 And I can feel when I'm making bad decisions and I get punished 694 00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:25,240 for it more so than just like I know my tournament is because 695 00:37:25,240 --> 00:37:29,600 I'm not lucky, you know? So it's a so it's a half and 696 00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:33,160 half answer. Yeah, I think rewarding good 697 00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:39,080 decisions has become so baseline that when good luck happens and 698 00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:42,320 when the variance happens, people really pay attention to 699 00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:43,400 it. And then they're like, oh, this 700 00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:46,440 game was decided by luck. When in reality, I just think 701 00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:49,840 there's some really, there's some good fucking players at 702 00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:52,000 this game. And a lot of players know how to 703 00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:59,200 take the right lines very often. And so like, I think that a lot 704 00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:02,120 of people is just making the right decision after making the 705 00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:05,600 right decision. And then like, oh, you had the 706 00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:07,200 good luck. You drew the three Blood Rush 707 00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:11,040 fellows in the top half of your deck, and games like that 708 00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:13,360 happen, and they should happen, right? 709 00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:15,560 Like that. That's another thing that they 710 00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:18,120 mentioned. Variance is good and important 711 00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:21,520 to the game, right? You don't want a game with no 712 00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:24,560 variance because then there's no reason for anybody to play it. 713 00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:27,920 There has to have different things have to happen. 714 00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:32,160 And if you're playing a deck that is not favored into a match 715 00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:34,800 up, don't you want to be able to win that match up? 716 00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:38,360 There has to be some variance. You have to be able to have a 717 00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:41,800 draw, or the opponent has to be able to draw worse enough that 718 00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:45,520 you can win those games. And everybody wants that because 719 00:38:45,720 --> 00:38:48,880 you will eventually be the deck that has to do it. 720 00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:55,080 You can't pretend like you're always going to be playing the 721 00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:57,760 top deck and then want to win every single time except the 722 00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:03,000 mirror or based on deck choice. Variance is good and important 723 00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:09,360 and healthy, but I think we are so often forgetting that and 724 00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:11,480 focusing on when it works against us. 725 00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:14,880 I definitely did. That really resonated with me, 726 00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:19,600 I'm not going to lie. But also, sometimes it just 727 00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:22,840 fucking sucks to play the 3070 matchup or the 2080 matchup. 728 00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:25,160 So like, I don't completely disagree. 729 00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:31,960 LSS did say, you know, like a big thing of rewarding good 730 00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:34,040 decisions, not good luck is like agency. 731 00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:37,040 That was that's a new word that they are adopting. 732 00:39:37,240 --> 00:39:39,160 And I'm sure we'll talk about that in blue pitch with you 733 00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:42,440 Fuzzy. But like when it comes to 734 00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:47,680 agency, there are different kinds of agency and different 735 00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:50,840 levels of agency that is acceptable and unacceptable. 736 00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:53,440 And it's going to be interesting to see how they shake that out 737 00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:57,080 over these next couple of sets. The very last thing I want to 738 00:39:57,080 --> 00:40:00,760 talk about is parody. A good part of this good 739 00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:04,520 decision idea that they discussed was this idea of 740 00:40:04,720 --> 00:40:08,600 parody and offensive overlap. Ultimately why they banned all 741 00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:11,360 of these cards is because they said that it provided, and this 742 00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:15,800 is an exact quote, extreme offensive overlap. 743 00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:18,600 This is the part of the article that resonated the most with me 744 00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:21,160 across the entire thing. I mean the bans are a big deal 745 00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:24,880 but it's kind of like those 3 words kind of guide to me why 746 00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:26,920 they chose each of those specific cards to ban. 747 00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:31,080 Yeah, so there's nothing wrong with some offensive overlap 748 00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:33,320 being able to deal more damage than the opponent can block 749 00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:36,840 because it means that life will be ended, go to zero, and then 750 00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:39,080 it will end. And that is the way that game 751 00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:42,080 should be ending. I know that our good friend 752 00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:46,040 Trent, with his fatigue bravo, would prefer it that he's like, 753 00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:48,880 ah, yes, by one blew in hand and you have nothing. 754 00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:50,440 I win. Hammer, Hammer. 755 00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:51,000 Hammer. Hammer. 756 00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:54,920 Hammer, hammer. True. 757 00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:57,320 Flesh and blood, true flesh and blood or talons. 758 00:40:57,320 --> 00:40:59,800 Always joked about winning the game with one plague hive in 759 00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:04,160 hand because he just gets to pitch it over and over to the 760 00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:07,160 bow to give like random blood. So funny. 761 00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:14,520 So like, I'm sure some people love the idea of that, but 762 00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:16,640 that's not where the game is supposed to end. 763 00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:19,920 The point is when it's extreme. And one of the ways that they 764 00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:22,560 intended for parody to be broken was through being able to 765 00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:26,480 Arsenal an attacking card so that your 5 attacking cards go 766 00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:29,400 against their four defending cards and you guarantee to leak 767 00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:33,520 some damage. Well, that's not enough because 768 00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:35,080 there's defense reactions, right? 769 00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:37,960 That you can put in Arsenal and then play from Arsenal. 770 00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:44,040 And they're also overrate blocks, and if I recall 771 00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:47,600 correctly they were printed. And welcome to rate. 772 00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:51,920 So this has always been a fucking problem in the game. 773 00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:56,520 Oh my God, we've heard we've heard literally James White, 774 00:41:56,520 --> 00:42:00,040 like maybe he complaints not the right word, but he was like we 775 00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:02,440 think printing sync below and faith for scene like in the 776 00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:05,440 first couple of sets was kind of a mistake because they they 777 00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:08,200 break this parody. It makes it harder for the game 778 00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:10,640 state to end when you can block with cards in Arsenal. 779 00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:16,240 And so we'll if, if this continues to be an issue and if 780 00:42:16,240 --> 00:42:19,800 they find that like, oh, we don't want to push the power too 781 00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:24,120 much, but games aren't ending fast enough, I'm going to say 782 00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:27,320 this and this might be this may not pay off for a couple of 783 00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:29,480 years. I can see them banning fate for 784 00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:33,240 seen In Sync below. 100%, yeah. Specifically because of this, 785 00:42:33,240 --> 00:42:35,560 because they're like, look, we tried pushing the damage to go 786 00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:38,840 over those tools and it didn't matter. 787 00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:42,760 So like now if the game starts just getting too slow and that's 788 00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:46,040 a big problem, I can very easily see them cutting these two 789 00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:50,240 insane staples. Especially off the backs of 790 00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:53,120 banning all these really powerful cards, like there's got 791 00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:56,680 to be some course correction, some sometime down the line 792 00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:59,320 where the defensive officers are just too great. 793 00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:02,360 Yeah, I know we talked to, I've heard talks on our Discord. 794 00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:05,280 This is might be conversations I was more of a lurker for than a 795 00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:07,800 participator. But people have wondered like, 796 00:43:08,240 --> 00:43:11,040 are we going to keep ratcheting up aggro so that it can get over 797 00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:13,480 the defenses of control decks? Are we going to keep ratcheting 798 00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:17,160 up control decks so it can meet the blazing power of these new 799 00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:19,400 aggro decks? And it seems it's like LSS is 800 00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:22,880 taking this opportunity to let's all cool down a second and slow 801 00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:26,160 the arms race so we can get back to a more healthy state for the 802 00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:26,960 game. Yeah. 803 00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:31,280 And ultimately, I like that their guiding principle is 804 00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:33,320 agency. The last thing that they 805 00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:35,960 mentioned in this section is that there are cards that take 806 00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:40,400 away agency in very powerful and meaningful ways that they are 807 00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:43,720 keeping their eyes on but they have currently deemed 808 00:43:43,720 --> 00:43:46,600 acceptable. Ren, the Ledger, Warmongers, 809 00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:51,320 Diplomacy, Sirens Call, and they often complained about Arclight 810 00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:53,880 Sentinel. All of these cards have their 811 00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:59,320 own conditions and difficulties and counter play that I think so 812 00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:04,280 far makes them all right. Match up dependency. 813 00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:08,440 So many things go into these cards being fair or not fair, 814 00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:13,880 but as it stands, I think that those are also cards that could 815 00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:17,640 be looking on the complete ban list in the way that these cards 816 00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:21,760 were banned simply because they take away that agency too much. 817 00:44:22,720 --> 00:44:24,480 And that's it. That's all I got for yellow 818 00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:27,000 pitch. I'm going to look down here and 819 00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:30,280 check the little boxes. You got 5 here, only a three 820 00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:31,640 there. You know what? 821 00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:35,320 James White. That's a passing grade. 822 00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:39,960 Flush and blood is saved. This game has been pretty fun in 823 00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:42,280 the last five years. We have been. 824 00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:44,480 We love it so much we did a podcast about it. 825 00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:52,480 Joel's like I'm going to reserve con, let's talk about in blue 826 00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:55,600 pitch if we think the game will be fun for the next 5 years. 827 00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:04,240 So I'll read off the four main principles and we'll talk a bit 828 00:45:04,240 --> 00:45:07,160 about like the different aspects that they think make up each 829 00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:09,840 one. Flesh and Bloods design and 830 00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:14,760 development principles 2025 edition are class talent and 831 00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:19,480 hero identity, empowering agency, having every card count 832 00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:23,840 and having paths to victory. OPA. 833 00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:29,000 Do you guys think they put this in a specific order of like 834 00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:31,840 priority to them? Oh. 835 00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:33,640 That's a good question. I. 836 00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:36,880 Didn't tell. Right now I do think there needs 837 00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:39,000 there. There's a lot of work to be done 838 00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:43,520 with class talents or specifically talents and hero 839 00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:47,560 identities for sure, so that wouldn't surprise me if it was 840 00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:50,760 an order of priority. Well, I don't know if the class 841 00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:53,600 talent, hero identity is the most important principle that 842 00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:57,080 LSS has, but if you're trying to think about like, OK, what am I 843 00:45:57,080 --> 00:45:59,800 going to put on my flesh and blood cards, it's a very easy 844 00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:02,400 one to look to 1st. You know, you want your cards to 845 00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:06,560 feel good, embody a certain flavor, and the specifics can be 846 00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:09,240 guided by the other principles. So I wouldn't be surprised if 847 00:46:09,240 --> 00:46:11,880 this first one is the the most dominant in how they come up 848 00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:13,160 with new cards to add to the game. 849 00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:16,360 Yep. Also makes it very easy to sell 850 00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:19,800 the game. I want to play the game by being 851 00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:22,720 a fancy ass wizard. Good for you. 852 00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:30,360 Here's Icelander the ice wizard. Does she cast spells? 853 00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:36,880 You're goddamn right she does. And notably, this replaces the 854 00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:40,160 start full aspect from before. One thing we didn't quite touch 855 00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:45,080 on before is nowadays James White and LSS don't consider 856 00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:47,480 start full to be a functional principal. 857 00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:50,600 Instead, it's just true, which is different. 858 00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:54,240 That that's kind of what I was saying about like how the like 859 00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:57,200 original principles were just kind of like the rules of the 860 00:46:57,200 --> 00:47:00,080 game make. That happen like you don't need 861 00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:03,400 to design a card in order to make your hero start full 862 00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:04,920 because it's just how the game works, right? 863 00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:08,480 And I also think that's part of why they're able to ban cards 864 00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:12,160 like cash in now cash in if you'd like have it like look, it 865 00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:16,320 says in our book here that you wrote James, like it says start 866 00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:18,720 full cash in. Does that Crown of Dominion cash 867 00:47:18,720 --> 00:47:21,120 in embodies that design principle of the game. 868 00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:24,280 So by kind of removing it as like, hey, this is what we want 869 00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:27,120 to see and making it more like, if you happen to do it, that's 870 00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:30,840 great and natural. It allows them to look closely 871 00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:33,120 at like, what's really healthy and unhealthy, you know? 872 00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:35,600 I know it's a little bit of a tangent. 873 00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:38,360 We're supposed to be talking about the future. 874 00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:44,280 Class talent and hero identity does seem like a really good way 875 00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:47,760 for LSS to center themselves and focus on what makes the game fun 876 00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:50,760 to play. And I'm looking forward to the 877 00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:53,680 future where they make more solid class talent and hero 878 00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:57,520 identities. Do you feel like they've been 879 00:47:57,520 --> 00:48:00,000 able to preserve a unique mechanical identity for each 880 00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:03,320 class and talent so far? I think some of them, some of 881 00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:06,360 the classes are struggling more than other classes because I 882 00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:08,600 don't think they're quite delivering on the fantasy. 883 00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:11,080 I think that's a term you'll hear a lot in game design, 884 00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:14,920 especially like board game, card game, video game design, right, 885 00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:20,320 is like delivering on a fantasy. And I definitely think that like 886 00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:25,680 Warriors right now have a pretty weakly defined fantasy. 887 00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:29,160 I don't know what a big fancy warrior turn looks like. 888 00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:32,560 I just don't know what it looks. I know what a Guardian 1 looks 889 00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:34,360 like. It's called throwing spinal 890 00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:36,480 crush for 21. And it happened to me the other 891 00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:39,680 weekend. I don't know what warriors, big, 892 00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:43,240 flashy, Oh my God, they did. The warrior thing is. 893 00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:48,080 It's usually just blocking. That's my big turn. 894 00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:56,280 Bro I blocked 8 and then I threw a yeah I. 895 00:48:56,280 --> 00:49:01,320 Won that turns like gold in the Art of War. 896 00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:06,680 What? It doesn't buff weapon attack. 897 00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:09,040 What the fuck am I supposed to do with this card? 898 00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:13,040 Warriors attack with weapons looks at every other hero in the 899 00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:19,600 game. Moving on to point #2 empower 900 00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:22,640 agency notably replacing reduced variance. 901 00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:26,880 The nice thing about this transition to me is that reduced 902 00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:30,280 variance is like, Oh yeah, I love a game that's going to 903 00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:33,000 reduce variance because it's going to give me more agency. 904 00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:35,600 And here they're putting it right there in the design 905 00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:37,400 principles. We want to empower agency. 906 00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:40,280 That's the the, the end goal they're looking for, not the 907 00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:44,160 means to the end, like how their principle is now focusing on the 908 00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:46,360 positive things that they can put into their cards to increase 909 00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:50,120 that agency versus working to provide to themselves as a 910 00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:53,360 counterexample to other TCGS at the time, Magic the Gathering 911 00:49:53,760 --> 00:50:00,120 Lands, and we're focusing here, they say create, curate a card 912 00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:02,880 pool and meta games where players have choices that allow 913 00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:05,280 them to meaningfully engage with the game plan of their opponents 914 00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:07,800 and victories earned through an accumulation of many good 915 00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:10,440 decisions. They want that agency to be the 916 00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:12,680 source of victory and what makes players feel good. 917 00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:16,960 Yeah. And I would say the first and 918 00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:19,960 most obvious thing they need to do is give some classes more 919 00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:22,400 tools to deal with Spectra. Yeah. 920 00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:24,840 Especially if they're gonna like, not do anything about the 921 00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:26,880 Spectra that exists. Yeah, they've said they're not 922 00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:29,160 printing it more. It still exists. 923 00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:35,320 And notably, in the article they do say Guardian and Warrior will 924 00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:39,480 be given tools to help increase their agency in upcoming sets. 925 00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:44,680 I've heard that before. Well, hopefully they're able to 926 00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:47,080 hold to that design principle and give us that empowering 927 00:50:47,080 --> 00:50:49,960 agency in the future. They also double down on every 928 00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:53,080 card counts. They want meta games to have 929 00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:55,640 archetypes where every card in a deck plays a meaningful role in 930 00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:57,880 determining the outcome of the game, something they stayed a 931 00:50:57,880 --> 00:50:59,280 little bit before. We've kind of talked a little 932 00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:00,640 bit about what that looks like, right? 933 00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:05,200 Going to second cycle sometimes, not necessarily all the time. 934 00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:09,280 I also really like the wizard cards that have been printed, 935 00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:13,680 specifically that ones that say instant discard this amp one. 936 00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:18,360 Yeah, but I think fixing the problem with your Blues being 937 00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:21,960 shitty in Wizard, like they don't really do all that much 938 00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:25,120 unless they're being bumped by some other anthem effect, like 939 00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:28,920 being able to scrounge at the last bit of arcane damage to 940 00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:33,760 close out a game or maybe get a surge going off or whatever. 941 00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:36,720 I think that's really cool design and I love the modality 942 00:51:36,720 --> 00:51:39,960 of these utility Blues, specifically in the wizard 943 00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:41,880 class. More to come, obviously or 944 00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:43,800 hopefully. Yeah, they they first sit in 945 00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:47,400 heavy hitters and it was such a rousing success that they they 946 00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:50,040 brought it here. Yeah, I haven't thought about it 947 00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:54,120 like that, Joel, where like my shitty blue block threes in my 948 00:51:54,120 --> 00:51:56,920 deck that served that sort of function can also have 949 00:51:57,680 --> 00:52:00,000 intentional card choices that can help my game. 950 00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:02,400 And that could be one way in the future that they explored this 951 00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:06,120 design principle specifically. Let's go on to their 4th tenant, 952 00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:09,280 Paths to Victory. I like these parts because they 953 00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:13,080 sound kind of legalese like they're like, OK, here's what we 954 00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:16,080 intend. Specifically, offer players 955 00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:19,640 strategies and card synergies that can create game states 956 00:52:19,640 --> 00:52:24,240 slanted towards offensive advantage so that most games end 957 00:52:24,240 --> 00:52:26,640 with one hero being reduced to zero life. 958 00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:31,840 What does that mean bro? It means they're OK with 959 00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:37,160 generally aggressive plans doing better than defensive plans in 960 00:52:37,160 --> 00:52:43,440 general and that people will lose as opposed to like getting 961 00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:45,680 decked out. If you get fatigued to death 962 00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:48,040 then you would say the game did not really end with one hero 963 00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:50,320 being reduced to zero life or skill issue. 964 00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:54,480 True true. Like it could be the result of 965 00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:58,960 like misplays, but that in general they're OK with 966 00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:01,920 strategies being overpowering slightly. 967 00:53:02,200 --> 00:53:05,640 It's these extreme offensive overlaps that they don't like. 968 00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:12,000 I think for this first line I will measure their success on 969 00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:16,360 how well they're doing in this with what does Talon's riptide 970 00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:20,200 list look like? Because if he thinks that he has 971 00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:23,040 to be throwing attacks to win the game, then we are in a 972 00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:26,600 healthy spot. If you can just run trap dot 973 00:53:26,600 --> 00:53:29,440 deck, then this is not healthy, right? 974 00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:33,520 All I have to do is block every single turn and I have 70 cards 975 00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:36,440 in deck and three remembrances so I will win the game. 976 00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:38,640 Talon is the Canary in the coal mine. 977 00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:43,960 He I legitimately think fatigue riptide decks are the Canary in 978 00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:47,280 the coal mine for this strategy. That's funny. 979 00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:54,960 Now, it does say slanted towards offensive advantage, which is 980 00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:59,720 doing a lot of work here. But in general, we're expecting 981 00:53:59,720 --> 00:54:04,240 offensive decks to be the the default in the game, right? 982 00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:07,440 Well-being able to block out until your opponent stumbles, I 983 00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:10,640 think that's an important part of the game and like games going 984 00:54:10,640 --> 00:54:14,160 for a long time, right? The ability for them to just be 985 00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:17,080 like, I'm throwing 10 and you're like, who? 986 00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:20,360 Block 12? Yeah, yeah, like I know I'm on 987 00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:23,320 one life, but like who? I get another turn and then 988 00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:25,640 they're like, oh man, I didn't draw any attacks. 989 00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:27,760 And you're like, this is it. This is my chance. 990 00:54:28,360 --> 00:54:30,120 Yes, very important part of the game, I'd agree. 991 00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:34,400 This also, and I'm going to leave it here, this also kind of 992 00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:36,640 means that they're not going to print alternate win cons anytime 993 00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:38,440 soon, which is kind of lame in my opinion. 994 00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:40,000 Yeah, that's kind of like what I'm hearing. 995 00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:44,040 But they do have something to say about like Otks and one turn 996 00:54:44,040 --> 00:54:46,560 kills. Yeah, which are like our version 997 00:54:46,560 --> 00:54:49,880 of alternate wing cons and flesh and bled the watered down 998 00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:52,840 version their second bullet point. 999 00:54:53,080 --> 00:54:55,560 Again, I think this tempers what they're talking about with this 1000 00:54:55,560 --> 00:54:59,400 positive victory primarily disperse offensive advantages 1001 00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:03,280 across multiple turns rather than in single bursts of output 1002 00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:05,680 so that victories are in through the accumulation of many good 1003 00:55:05,680 --> 00:55:08,160 decisions. They're trying to focus on good 1004 00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:12,960 decisions lead to a win, not good luck, quote, UN quote. 1005 00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:17,880 And when you think of like Blood Rush Bellows being like, you 1006 00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:20,280 need to see two or three of them in order to win the game, I 1007 00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:23,680 think that would kind of be an indicator that it's an OK card. 1008 00:55:23,680 --> 00:55:25,320 Yeah. If you're if you're like ever 1009 00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:28,480 forced to block with it. If you think of like Prism or 1010 00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:32,040 Zen entirely winning the game bust based off of 1 power turn, 1011 00:55:32,320 --> 00:55:34,640 then that would be a little bit counter to what they're trying 1012 00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:36,000 to make the game look like, yeah. 1013 00:55:38,720 --> 00:55:44,640 Another thing that I kind of love about this is we already 1014 00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:46,400 see it in their rune blade design. 1015 00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:51,280 So initially they were printing a lot of cards that gave you 1016 00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:55,040 power on the turn itself, but then they start shifting in. 1017 00:55:55,040 --> 00:55:57,400 A lot of the rune chance generators give you rune chance 1018 00:55:57,400 --> 00:56:00,000 over multiple turns. Room Blood Incantation and 1019 00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:03,720 Malefic Incantation being 2 specific cards that I can point 1020 00:56:03,720 --> 00:56:08,320 at and be like yes this is a red that gives you 3 value 3 rune 1021 00:56:08,320 --> 00:56:13,120 chance over three turns but they still have go again so that you 1022 00:56:13,120 --> 00:56:16,880 can keep playing your game plan on the turn that you play these 1023 00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:20,040 cards. Kind of like have been set like 1024 00:56:20,040 --> 00:56:23,080 probably isn't going to have any OTK times anytime soon, whereas 1025 00:56:23,080 --> 00:56:28,080 chain used to, Yeah. And lastly, for Paths to 1026 00:56:28,080 --> 00:56:31,200 Victory, they want us to know that they're going to require 1027 00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:34,360 combo and one turn kill decks to complete a meaningfully 1028 00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:36,440 difficult quest. That's the literal word. 1029 00:56:36,440 --> 00:56:39,560 They use quest to execute their fundamental kill turn. 1030 00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:42,040 So they're OK with having these crazy combo decks. 1031 00:56:42,120 --> 00:56:45,120 And they specifically say examples include Viscerae or 1032 00:56:45,120 --> 00:56:49,120 Florian OTK requiring many turns to establish the quantity of 1033 00:56:49,120 --> 00:56:52,640 rune chance required to OTK, or a Kano player completing and 1034 00:56:52,640 --> 00:56:54,880 memorizing their pitch stack over many turns. 1035 00:56:55,520 --> 00:56:57,800 Yes. Now this was something that we 1036 00:56:57,800 --> 00:57:01,800 talked about in our degeneracy episode as being unhealthy for 1037 00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:04,680 the game. And they kind of said psych 1038 00:57:04,680 --> 00:57:06,400 bitch. This is perfectly. 1039 00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:10,120 Fine in LSS opinion because it takes a long time to set up. 1040 00:57:10,320 --> 00:57:12,760 They're OK with it. They have to make many good 1041 00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:15,240 decisions along the way, like doing efficient blocks and 1042 00:57:15,240 --> 00:57:17,760 keeping their life total up in order to maintain the strategy. 1043 00:57:18,560 --> 00:57:22,960 Yeah, I think for Florian it makes a lot more sense than for 1044 00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:27,400 Viscerae, because with Florian you first have to turn on your 1045 00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:31,120 hero ability and then you have to spend the turns building your 1046 00:57:31,120 --> 00:57:36,840 room chance. And it's I so far you can't do 1047 00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:39,160 the same thing with the same card. 1048 00:57:39,680 --> 00:57:43,120 I guess you could argue Germinate kind of does that, but 1049 00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:45,520 it doesn't decompose so it doesn't get you any closer to 1050 00:57:45,520 --> 00:57:49,000 your hero ability. But that is an earth card that 1051 00:57:49,120 --> 00:57:52,320 both makes ruin chance and helps delay the game by making 1052 00:57:52,320 --> 00:57:56,960 embodiments of earth. So aside from one card, Florian 1053 00:57:56,960 --> 00:57:58,680 looks like the healthy version of this. 1054 00:57:59,120 --> 00:58:02,560 I think for this or I the argument is that you need to 1055 00:58:02,560 --> 00:58:05,440 keep a lot of cards in hand, which means that you are then 1056 00:58:05,680 --> 00:58:09,360 taking a lot of damage to efficiently build the ruin 1057 00:58:09,360 --> 00:58:12,520 chance. But I've been doing some 1058 00:58:12,520 --> 00:58:16,600 building and there are some turns where I can build 20 run 1059 00:58:16,600 --> 00:58:18,640 chance in a turn. I don't like hearing. 1060 00:58:18,640 --> 00:58:23,720 That it is. It is doable, so I'm a little 1061 00:58:23,720 --> 00:58:28,920 concerned on what visserie, OTK and the turtle burst strategy is 1062 00:58:28,920 --> 00:58:31,520 going to look like. And when they say complete a 1063 00:58:31,520 --> 00:58:34,520 meaningfully difficult quest, that's kind of subjective, 1064 00:58:34,520 --> 00:58:37,680 right? You know, like what defines if, 1065 00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:40,440 if, if a deck is doing really well in the meta, that's kind of 1066 00:58:40,440 --> 00:58:42,200 a sign that it's not that difficult, right? 1067 00:58:43,880 --> 00:58:46,480 And this is the kind of the first hint maybe that they've 1068 00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:49,200 talked specifically about what strategies should be at the top 1069 00:58:49,200 --> 00:58:50,960 of the meta and which strategies should not. 1070 00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:56,040 Well, I will say now that the conversation is on Rune Chant 1071 00:58:56,040 --> 00:58:59,800 stacking like when it was the premier deck in the format with 1072 00:59:00,040 --> 00:59:04,200 Bloodshield Skeletta, I think we had a lot less tools to deal 1073 00:59:04,200 --> 00:59:07,280 with life gain and really defensive decks. 1074 00:59:07,640 --> 00:59:10,800 And now some examples of decks that I think could really punish 1075 00:59:10,800 --> 00:59:15,760 strategies like that is Kasai specifically because she has one 1076 00:59:15,760 --> 00:59:18,200 of the only like long lasting allies that you have to like 1077 00:59:18,200 --> 00:59:21,000 declare an attack to kill because room blade for Rosetta 1078 00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:23,800 has already seen some support where they can destroy auras 1079 00:59:23,800 --> 00:59:27,840 with non attacks. So like Prism really isn't going 1080 00:59:27,840 --> 00:59:29,960 to be like the standout destroyer of these decks. 1081 00:59:30,680 --> 00:59:36,080 Also like Victor being able to play cast homes to make a really 1082 00:59:36,080 --> 00:59:40,960 fat CNC maybe with a pummel to like stop all D reacts to 1083 00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:44,200 destroy whatever combo card you have in arsenal. 1084 00:59:44,560 --> 00:59:49,160 And I think wizard 2 like if you give Kano enough turns, like if 1085 00:59:49,160 --> 00:59:52,520 he you know churns through his deck quicker than the viscera or 1086 00:59:52,520 --> 00:59:55,040 Florian Cam. Like they can obviously set up 1087 00:59:55,040 --> 00:59:56,960 the perfect kill turn and kill you. 1088 00:59:56,960 --> 01:00:01,800 So I'm excited to see how we deal with these decks with the 1089 01:00:01,800 --> 01:00:05,480 tools that we have now, if these strategies become like more 1090 01:00:05,480 --> 01:00:07,120 powerful than they used to be. Yeah. 1091 01:00:07,120 --> 01:00:11,000 I feel like they can really offset these, these concerning 1092 01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:15,600 OTK decks by following that second principle of empowering 1093 01:00:15,600 --> 01:00:18,320 agency. Yeah, If we are able to give 1094 01:00:19,520 --> 01:00:23,680 most reasonable decks agency into these strategies, because 1095 01:00:23,680 --> 01:00:26,680 obviously not all the decks will have the agency, but if you give 1096 01:00:26,680 --> 01:00:30,920 enough decks the agency into these strategies, then it will 1097 01:00:30,920 --> 01:00:32,040 be OK. Yeah. 1098 01:00:33,840 --> 01:00:37,000 I think my biggest take away from these new principles and 1099 01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:39,680 the biggest contrast I see from the old ones that they published 1100 01:00:40,200 --> 01:00:45,400 was that like the old principles read to me as a fresh new idea. 1101 01:00:45,640 --> 01:00:49,280 You know, like if I go to you tomorrow, Clark, and I'm like, I 1102 01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:51,480 just had the best idea for our trading card game. 1103 01:00:51,560 --> 01:00:53,400 I'm going to talk about it in these terms, right? 1104 01:00:53,680 --> 01:00:57,080 I have this new idea where like it'll feel like you start full, 1105 01:00:57,240 --> 01:01:00,120 every card's going to count. It'll reduce variance and reward 1106 01:01:00,120 --> 01:01:02,080 your good decisions. It's like a little like elevator 1107 01:01:02,080 --> 01:01:03,720 pitch, right? No room blades? 1108 01:01:03,720 --> 01:01:06,240 What Fuzzy? I never said that. 1109 01:01:10,120 --> 01:01:12,840 And this is literally used as marketing material for new LGSS, 1110 01:01:12,840 --> 01:01:14,920 right, To get them excited about the game and encourage them to 1111 01:01:14,920 --> 01:01:17,960 run more events. But now they're like, we need 1112 01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:22,440 more mature design principles. We need something that we can 1113 01:01:22,440 --> 01:01:25,200 hold ourselves accountable to so that we know we're creating a 1114 01:01:25,320 --> 01:01:28,560 fun, healthy game that's going to last a long time. 1115 01:01:28,680 --> 01:01:30,280 That's what flesh and blood needs now. 1116 01:01:30,560 --> 01:01:33,720 We had the buy in. They they sold it to us, right? 1117 01:01:33,880 --> 01:01:35,720 Like, we're all in. I bought it. 1118 01:01:35,760 --> 01:01:39,640 Yeah. So now it's good that they can 1119 01:01:39,640 --> 01:01:42,400 communicate to us. Hey, we understand our game. 1120 01:01:42,600 --> 01:01:46,760 We're ready to have a healthy and enjoyable game for the long 1121 01:01:46,760 --> 01:01:49,640 term. We're in it for life with AY 1122 01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:53,760 life. This is season 2 season finale 1123 01:01:54,160 --> 01:01:56,120 and season 3 is going to be a fucking banger. 1124 01:01:56,160 --> 01:01:58,360 Exactly, they're going to stick season 3. 1125 01:01:58,440 --> 01:02:01,920 They fixed some some plot holes. They killed off the the hero 1126 01:02:01,920 --> 01:02:04,080 with the plot armor. We're Gucci. 1127 01:02:04,880 --> 01:02:07,400 We're getting there. And I'm excited for the future. 1128 01:02:08,080 --> 01:02:11,680 Ned Stark lost his head. Yeah, whatever that means. 1129 01:02:12,840 --> 01:02:15,880 Oh, maybe this will be a good time to just talk about little 1130 01:02:15,880 --> 01:02:18,320 tangents, little footnotes. In the end. 1131 01:02:18,600 --> 01:02:21,560 For instance, they mentioned that for Blitz, they're looking 1132 01:02:21,560 --> 01:02:25,000 at the format and they recognize that it can use a couple changes 1133 01:02:25,000 --> 01:02:27,040 that could make it like an actually good format. 1134 01:02:27,760 --> 01:02:30,320 And they said that they could be implemented prior to the next 1135 01:02:30,320 --> 01:02:33,560 scrimmage season starting N30, which is like really soon. 1136 01:02:33,600 --> 01:02:35,760 Wait another. Scrimmage season. 1137 01:02:36,480 --> 01:02:38,640 It's the only time we can get blitz LL points. 1138 01:02:38,640 --> 01:02:41,040 It's part of why Zen rotated so fast, because we only get like 1139 01:02:41,040 --> 01:02:43,520 two or three of these a year. So you only have a couple 1140 01:02:43,520 --> 01:02:46,200 opportunities to LL. You have to like fucking pump 1141 01:02:46,240 --> 01:02:50,520 those LL points into the system and Zen took them all and 1142 01:02:50,520 --> 01:02:51,760 gobbled. Them. 1143 01:02:51,760 --> 01:02:53,520 God I wish this was video recorded. 1144 01:02:57,920 --> 01:03:00,120 Were there any other like ending things that anyone wanted to 1145 01:03:00,120 --> 01:03:04,280 mention? I'm finally excited about flesh 1146 01:03:04,280 --> 01:03:07,600 and blood again like this. Gave me a lot of hope for sure. 1147 01:03:07,760 --> 01:03:10,640 Yeah, Miss, Miss Bailey, you've been pretty, pretty down on 1148 01:03:10,640 --> 01:03:13,000 because I think you had heavy hitters. 1149 01:03:13,440 --> 01:03:16,240 You saw the resurgence of your class. 1150 01:03:16,360 --> 01:03:18,120 Yeah. You saw them get some points but 1151 01:03:18,120 --> 01:03:20,600 still struggle. And you were like, man, you 1152 01:03:20,600 --> 01:03:22,280 really could have done more for Warrior. 1153 01:03:22,640 --> 01:03:26,240 And then literally the very next season, they took what little 1154 01:03:26,240 --> 01:03:27,680 Warrior had away. Yeah. 1155 01:03:27,680 --> 01:03:30,800 And I think that. I think it killed your energy 1156 01:03:30,960 --> 01:03:32,800 for sure. And I think, I mean there's a 1157 01:03:32,800 --> 01:03:37,120 pattern too, like when I want to like grind for an invite and I'm 1158 01:03:37,360 --> 01:03:40,840 playing the top deck in the format and I'm bored stiff and I 1159 01:03:40,840 --> 01:03:43,360 don't and I like stop playing that deck like I did. 1160 01:03:43,360 --> 01:03:46,480 I did the same thing for Starvo. I played Starvo for a while and 1161 01:03:46,480 --> 01:03:48,520 like gave up on the deck because it was so boring. 1162 01:03:48,760 --> 01:03:51,880 Like it's just not what I want for flesh and blood. 1163 01:03:51,880 --> 01:03:53,960 I want grinder games. I want longer games. 1164 01:03:53,960 --> 01:03:55,200 Done. It's also not what you like 1165 01:03:55,200 --> 01:03:56,360 about Flesh and Blood. True. 1166 01:03:56,400 --> 01:03:59,600 Yeah, I think that's gonna be so important that people start 1167 01:03:59,720 --> 01:04:02,000 communicating and the way that they start talking. 1168 01:04:02,600 --> 01:04:04,760 The games I like in Flesh and Blood. 1169 01:04:05,040 --> 01:04:08,480 Yeah. Because you will have games that 1170 01:04:08,480 --> 01:04:09,480 you don't like in flesh and blood. 1171 01:04:09,480 --> 01:04:11,720 Because guess what? Different people like different 1172 01:04:11,720 --> 01:04:14,880 things about flesh and blood. Holy fucking shit guys, there's 1173 01:04:15,000 --> 01:04:18,600 a difference of opinions. Wait, people don't like fatigue 1174 01:04:18,600 --> 01:04:23,560 mirrors? I liked brain dead at grow 1175 01:04:23,560 --> 01:04:25,600 mirrors. They didn't feel brain dead to 1176 01:04:25,600 --> 01:04:26,720 me. Yeah. 1177 01:04:27,920 --> 01:04:29,840 But if he means people stop complaining, I'm willing to 1178 01:04:29,840 --> 01:04:31,840 ditch him, you know? Yeah, I'm willing to let them 1179 01:04:31,840 --> 01:04:35,280 go. It, it reminds me of how like 1180 01:04:35,280 --> 01:04:38,360 during heavy hitters, there was a lot of complaining about this 1181 01:04:38,360 --> 01:04:41,400 is just a numbers meta, man. No one's doing anything cool 1182 01:04:41,400 --> 01:04:43,040 anymore. Then Miss Vale. 1183 01:04:43,040 --> 01:04:45,760 Everyone's like, why is the game so broken, man? 1184 01:04:46,400 --> 01:04:49,320 Why can't we go back to the good meta hitters? 1185 01:04:49,320 --> 01:04:51,280 It's like, motherfucker, I saw your tweet. 1186 01:04:53,120 --> 01:04:55,160 Yeah. I think you need to get off 1187 01:04:55,160 --> 01:04:58,440 Twitter, Clark, when you're noticing how the different 1188 01:04:58,440 --> 01:05:00,560 complaints don't line up with the same people. 1189 01:05:00,560 --> 01:05:04,040 Twitter is just not the place for sane people, I swear to God. 1190 01:05:05,320 --> 01:05:08,960 Well then, lock me up, baby. All right. 1191 01:05:09,360 --> 01:05:13,640 My last aside that I want to mention all of these cards 1192 01:05:13,960 --> 01:05:18,920 except for Bonds of Ancestry, our legal and living Legend, and 1193 01:05:18,920 --> 01:05:21,560 I actually like this. You can play your one token copy 1194 01:05:21,560 --> 01:05:25,360 of Bonds of Ancestry. Sure, but I love this because it 1195 01:05:25,360 --> 01:05:28,760 means that when heroes Living Legend out, people are going to 1196 01:05:28,760 --> 01:05:31,200 be excited to go play them in the Living Legend format. 1197 01:05:31,480 --> 01:05:35,840 Because right now, if Leviah was the LL, I would not give a shit 1198 01:05:35,840 --> 01:05:38,000 about playing her in Living Legend and I would never play 1199 01:05:38,000 --> 01:05:40,680 her in Living Legend even if I love that deck with all of my 1200 01:05:40,680 --> 01:05:42,120 heart. I'd be like, why would I bother 1201 01:05:42,120 --> 01:05:44,080 playing against all those broken old decks? 1202 01:05:44,360 --> 01:05:47,520 But if someone goes well, you get to run Ardivor and I'd go, 1203 01:05:47,520 --> 01:05:50,280 what? What'd you say? 1204 01:05:51,040 --> 01:05:52,880 Come again? I get to I get to play Ardivor. 1205 01:05:53,640 --> 01:05:55,400 All right, hold on. This changes the entire way I've 1206 01:05:55,400 --> 01:05:57,920 been playing this deck. OK, wait, I can run Slytherin 1207 01:05:57,920 --> 01:06:01,000 Shadow Pede now And like, Deeper and Evil get so much better. 1208 01:06:01,000 --> 01:06:03,520 And like, wait a minute, they printed this other card into 1209 01:06:03,520 --> 01:06:05,120 future set that I don't know yet. 1210 01:06:05,400 --> 01:06:07,560 And like, that's so much. Better with Ardivor, Yeah. 1211 01:06:07,560 --> 01:06:09,360 And you can play Blood Rush Bellows too. 1212 01:06:09,560 --> 01:06:11,440 Let's go. And Ardivor. 1213 01:06:14,320 --> 01:06:16,720 And then people get excited about taking their deck to the 1214 01:06:16,720 --> 01:06:17,920 next format. Yeah. 1215 01:06:18,640 --> 01:06:21,120 And that that is going to be meaningful for the health of the 1216 01:06:21,120 --> 01:06:24,920 game because Magic has had that standard went out. 1217 01:06:24,920 --> 01:06:27,240 And then you're like, wait a minute, let's see if I can turn 1218 01:06:27,240 --> 01:06:31,000 this into a Modern deck. Or for the big boys, vintage. 1219 01:06:32,280 --> 01:06:34,720 Sure. Wait, is it legacy that I like? 1220 01:06:34,800 --> 01:06:36,440 Which one has Reckless Reanimator? 1221 01:06:36,880 --> 01:06:38,960 I don't know. Nerds. 1222 01:06:40,200 --> 01:06:42,320 Pretty sure that's legacy with Gristlebrand. 1223 01:06:42,320 --> 01:06:43,560 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Legacy. 1224 01:06:43,560 --> 01:06:48,840 I love legacy. Yeah, all. 1225 01:06:48,840 --> 01:06:51,120 Right, boys, we're ready to move on to our Arsenal zone. 1226 01:06:52,200 --> 01:06:55,040 Sorry. I don't think anyone was 1227 01:06:55,040 --> 01:06:57,920 prepared for that. That's funny. 1228 01:06:58,000 --> 01:06:59,600 Yeah, let's do it. What's the Arsenal zone though? 1229 01:07:01,680 --> 01:07:05,040 Arsenal Zone is the podcast. Aren't you gonna bully Joel 1230 01:07:05,040 --> 01:07:06,520 about it? I've been trying to like set 1231 01:07:06,520 --> 01:07:08,880 this tradition of like bullying the person who asks what the 1232 01:07:08,880 --> 01:07:13,480 arsenal. Arsenal zone is the part of the 1233 01:07:13,480 --> 01:07:17,200 Joel, why don't you? Tell yeah, Joel, you're asking 1234 01:07:17,200 --> 01:07:22,520 the question, Mr. Smart Guy. Well, since you asked the 1235 01:07:22,520 --> 01:07:25,600 Arsenal Zone listeners, is the part of the podcast where we 1236 01:07:25,600 --> 01:07:27,400 talk about a card A. Card. 1237 01:07:27,520 --> 01:07:30,880 Yeah, it could be one that we like, 01 that we don't like, oh, 1238 01:07:30,880 --> 01:07:33,120 and one that we like to not like. 1239 01:07:33,320 --> 01:07:34,840 Oh yeah. Either way, we're going to talk 1240 01:07:34,840 --> 01:07:36,840 about it right now and I'm not starting. 1241 01:07:36,840 --> 01:07:38,360 So when do you start? I can start. 1242 01:07:38,360 --> 01:07:41,280 It's like as this tradition. I brought a copy of the card 1243 01:07:41,280 --> 01:07:44,320 that I'll be shouting out, ready to sign and give to you guys. 1244 01:07:44,520 --> 01:07:47,240 You have literally never done this ever before in Are you 1245 01:07:47,240 --> 01:07:49,200 getting a signed fuzzy? Card. 1246 01:07:49,520 --> 01:07:51,720 Hey, yo. I'm shouting out a card. 1247 01:07:52,120 --> 01:07:54,400 Now that I think about it, there's like 4 cards that I'm 1248 01:07:54,400 --> 01:07:55,440 missing from. I have them. 1249 01:07:55,560 --> 01:07:57,360 Oh. OK, slave, I have two of them. 1250 01:07:59,080 --> 01:08:02,360 Good to me. I'm shouting out a card that was 1251 01:08:02,360 --> 01:08:04,880 not banned, but oh boy did it get worse. 1252 01:08:05,040 --> 01:08:09,600 You might be thinking OK, spawns of ancestry left the format. 1253 01:08:09,600 --> 01:08:12,440 Wait, Crown of Dominion? We're getting Crown of Dominion. 1254 01:08:12,440 --> 01:08:17,760 Good guess but it is a common but it is an equipment 1255 01:08:17,800 --> 01:08:23,000 headpiece. You may be thinking Bonds of 1256 01:08:23,000 --> 01:08:26,760 Ancestry just got banned which means it's a lot harder for 1257 01:08:26,760 --> 01:08:29,439 Katsu to run Dishonor. Well I mean he can run it, but 1258 01:08:29,439 --> 01:08:31,680 is he going to do anything if he can't turn it on? 1259 01:08:31,680 --> 01:08:34,600 Because you can't play Bonds of Ancestry so you can't like 1260 01:08:34,880 --> 01:08:37,120 actually take away people's hero abilities. 1261 01:08:37,319 --> 01:08:41,200 So you might be thinking, what if I ran Mask of Many Faces? 1262 01:08:42,760 --> 01:08:45,880 But I have bad news for everybody listening to this 1263 01:08:45,880 --> 01:08:48,560 podcast that was thinking about running Mask of Mini Faces in 1264 01:08:48,560 --> 01:08:50,760 Katsu. And that's that you're not 1265 01:08:50,760 --> 01:08:54,399 allowed to name a card that is not legal in the format that 1266 01:08:54,399 --> 01:08:56,680 you're playing, and that includes banned cards. 1267 01:08:57,600 --> 01:09:01,840 So you actually cannot run Mask of Mini Faces and use its 1268 01:09:01,840 --> 01:09:04,880 ability in order to give a card the name Bansif Ancestry. 1269 01:09:04,960 --> 01:09:06,640 I'll just read the card really quick because that's a good 1270 01:09:06,640 --> 01:09:10,040 habit that I forgot to do. It's Blade break, one on a 1271 01:09:10,040 --> 01:09:14,200 headpiece and it says instant cost one resource. 1272 01:09:14,399 --> 01:09:18,359 Destroy mask of mini faces and name a card that's legal in the 1273 01:09:18,359 --> 01:09:21,960 format that you're playing in. The next attack action card you 1274 01:09:21,960 --> 01:09:24,920 play this turn gains that name, so that card will have two 1275 01:09:24,920 --> 01:09:28,359 names, which is kind of sick. I kind of love the idea of a 1276 01:09:28,359 --> 01:09:31,319 Ninja player running this and then like. 1277 01:09:31,319 --> 01:09:33,040 Totally getting the judge, no? No like. 1278 01:09:33,080 --> 01:09:35,920 As they're as they're winning the game, like as they play the 1279 01:09:35,920 --> 01:09:38,000 last card in the opponent's like I have no cards in hand. 1280 01:09:38,000 --> 01:09:40,600 You got it. They go hold on instant destroy 1281 01:09:40,600 --> 01:09:46,479 mask and mini faces naming Gristlebrand, Gristlebrand. 1282 01:09:46,479 --> 01:09:48,279 And it's like, that's not a fab card. 1283 01:09:48,279 --> 01:09:50,240 They're like, bitch, it says a card. 1284 01:09:52,040 --> 01:09:53,840 Not legal. So how does that work for 1285 01:09:53,840 --> 01:09:55,960 schwum? Can you make? 1286 01:09:56,120 --> 01:09:57,520 Can you name? You wouldn't be able to. 1287 01:09:57,520 --> 01:10:00,120 It has to be a legal card that. Card sucks. 1288 01:10:00,480 --> 01:10:05,400 Isn't that sad that like Dishonor is so empty but it is a 1289 01:10:05,400 --> 01:10:08,960 blue block 3 that's 0 cost, which means that if you already 1290 01:10:08,960 --> 01:10:12,520 have it and you like the art, you could put it in your deck 1291 01:10:12,520 --> 01:10:14,280 and it can turn on your kanachis. 1292 01:10:14,360 --> 01:10:18,360 It's playable. Turns on your Karachis, works 1293 01:10:18,360 --> 01:10:21,280 with, you know, flick Flack. It's a combo card still. 1294 01:10:21,560 --> 01:10:24,720 That that is a better selling point for it than stab wound. 1295 01:10:24,920 --> 01:10:27,520 We've talked about this for way longer than I thought we would. 1296 01:10:27,520 --> 01:10:30,160 Clark, do you have a card? I do have a card like you, 1297 01:10:30,160 --> 01:10:32,200 Fuzzy. I picked the card that got so 1298 01:10:32,200 --> 01:10:38,760 much worse, Cranial Crush. I can't crush and stop people 1299 01:10:38,760 --> 01:10:42,200 from drawing cards anymore. They're drawing all these cards 1300 01:10:42,280 --> 01:10:44,360 when no one's drawing any cards anymore. 1301 01:10:44,360 --> 01:10:50,000 What the fuck? So now it's just a six cost 8 1302 01:10:50,000 --> 01:10:54,440 power card I guess. And blue block 3 and a blue 1303 01:10:54,440 --> 01:10:56,240 block. Three, it's kind of like the the 1304 01:10:56,240 --> 01:10:59,440 hat balance of justice yeah like when are people drawing 2 cards 1305 01:10:59,440 --> 01:11:00,320 anymore? A lot of. 1306 01:11:00,320 --> 01:11:03,400 Cards got like a lot worse off of this just because they were 1307 01:11:03,400 --> 01:11:04,720 designed to take care of these things. 1308 01:11:04,720 --> 01:11:07,600 It's not like like azaleas playing three of a kind, you 1309 01:11:07,600 --> 01:11:10,280 know? Weakest Link got a lot worse, a 1310 01:11:10,280 --> 01:11:12,440 lot less instance. I mean, we're getting a bunch of 1311 01:11:12,440 --> 01:11:16,080 new ones in the schedules, but like we lost a lot of playable 1312 01:11:16,080 --> 01:11:17,240 instance here. Good. 1313 01:11:17,240 --> 01:11:20,160 I'm trying to pay less than $20.00 for that, yeah. 1314 01:11:21,520 --> 01:11:23,480 Nice shout out. Yeah, yeah. 1315 01:11:24,320 --> 01:11:25,800 Joel, would you like to shout out a card? 1316 01:11:26,320 --> 01:11:27,840 Oh, me, Yeah. Yeah. 1317 01:11:28,840 --> 01:11:31,560 So for my card, I'm shouting out an oldie. 1318 01:11:31,560 --> 01:11:33,920 Some of you young UNS out there might not even know this card 1319 01:11:33,920 --> 01:11:35,760 exists. That's so crazy. 1320 01:11:36,080 --> 01:11:38,840 That's crazy because I see it in the notes and it was my first 1321 01:11:38,840 --> 01:11:42,720 headpiece. Yeah, and this card also used to 1322 01:11:42,720 --> 01:11:48,560 cost $200.00 and I was gassed at getting this card for 180. 1323 01:11:48,560 --> 01:11:50,880 That's probably less than 50 bucks now. 1324 01:11:51,120 --> 01:11:58,120 And that's Arcanite Skullcap. So Arcanite Skullcap for the 1325 01:11:58,120 --> 01:12:03,600 Unanointed is a legendary headpiece with one Battle 1326 01:12:03,600 --> 01:12:07,960 Warren, but if you have less life than your opponent, it 1327 01:12:07,960 --> 01:12:12,800 gains plus one block and Arcane Barrier 3. 1328 01:12:13,480 --> 01:12:15,960 And the reason why I'm shouting it out today is because I think 1329 01:12:15,960 --> 01:12:21,600 this card might be kind of good because Verdance is going to be 1330 01:12:21,600 --> 01:12:25,360 gaining a lot of life. And there's a lot of Amp in the 1331 01:12:25,360 --> 01:12:30,800 set, which I don't want to be paying more than three for or 1332 01:12:30,840 --> 01:12:32,960 running a lot of AB slots for this hero. 1333 01:12:33,240 --> 01:12:35,880 And she's probably going to have a lot more life than me at 1334 01:12:35,880 --> 01:12:38,560 certain points in the game, like especially for going up and down 1335 01:12:38,560 --> 01:12:42,640 and trading life. So I don't know, I'm probably 1336 01:12:42,640 --> 01:12:45,760 coping right now and no one here agrees with me, but I think this 1337 01:12:45,760 --> 01:12:48,440 card could be kind of cool to maybe experiment with, but I 1338 01:12:48,440 --> 01:12:50,840 just wanted to shout it out. You know, like take the life. 1339 01:12:50,960 --> 01:12:55,000 The conditional AB is like a little bit feels bad because you 1340 01:12:55,000 --> 01:12:57,880 want to be able to consistently block against them, but it's 1341 01:12:57,880 --> 01:12:59,400 very efficient if you were trying to. 1342 01:12:59,520 --> 01:13:02,560 It's one of the only ways that all heroes can get to large 1343 01:13:02,560 --> 01:13:05,360 amounts of AB, you know. Without sacrificing a lot of 1344 01:13:05,360 --> 01:13:08,160 their game plan, right? Hannah can block for three 1345 01:13:08,160 --> 01:13:10,600 still, yeah. I mean how many decks already 1346 01:13:10,600 --> 01:13:13,760 run the generic headpiece? The Crown of Providence is the 1347 01:13:13,760 --> 01:13:15,880 the balance adjustment. There's room for it for sure. 1348 01:13:15,880 --> 01:13:18,120 There's a lot of room for it in lists. 1349 01:13:18,640 --> 01:13:20,760 Get your copies now everyone before it's bikes. 1350 01:13:20,800 --> 01:13:22,440 It's too late, I bought them all. 1351 01:13:24,200 --> 01:13:26,760 Welcome sneeples to market Monday. 1352 01:13:27,360 --> 01:13:29,600 Buy your fucking arcanite skull caps. 1353 01:13:32,440 --> 01:13:34,640 Shadow steeples. Shout out the sneeples. 1354 01:13:34,640 --> 01:13:36,840 But yeah, that's my card. Wanted to talk about it. 1355 01:13:36,840 --> 01:13:39,520 Wanted to highlight that I spent 180 on it. 1356 01:13:39,520 --> 01:13:40,920 So that was an amazing shout out. 1357 01:13:40,920 --> 01:13:43,120 Thanks. I love this podcast. 1358 01:13:43,560 --> 01:13:45,400 It was great. We haven't recorded in two 1359 01:13:45,400 --> 01:13:46,480 weeks. What's up with that? 1360 01:13:46,520 --> 01:13:48,560 Yeah, we need to record. Tomorrow. 1361 01:13:48,560 --> 01:13:52,920 Honestly unironically I was like not looking forward to recording 1362 01:13:52,920 --> 01:13:56,120 like at all specifically because of like Partha must fail. 1363 01:13:56,120 --> 01:13:58,880 This game's been weird. Yeah, it's been really bad. 1364 01:13:59,080 --> 01:14:01,840 No one's liked it for the last. Two, the mood's been down. 1365 01:14:01,840 --> 01:14:03,600 Yeah, for sure. Now I just have so much I want 1366 01:14:03,600 --> 01:14:06,200 to talk about. I'm so re energized from this 1367 01:14:06,200 --> 01:14:09,920 band list so shadow LSS. Plus we're getting 2 new room 1368 01:14:09,920 --> 01:14:12,400 blades next set. Oh yeah, I forgot about that. 1369 01:14:13,480 --> 01:14:14,120 All right. Bye. 1370 01:14:14,120 --> 01:14:16,720 Bye everybody. Until next time, guys, bye. 1371 01:14:36,160 --> 01:14:40,640 Pigeon to Me podcast is hosted by Fuzzy Del Clark Moore and 1372 01:14:40,640 --> 01:14:43,360 Joel Racinos. Our executive producer is Talon 1373 01:14:43,360 --> 01:14:49,120 Stradley, music by Dylan Hulse, logo by Han V and sound mixing 1374 01:14:49,280 --> 01:14:52,400 by Christopher Moore. Last but not least, we'd like to 1375 01:14:52,400 --> 01:14:55,000 thank you, the listener. Thank you for tuning in. 1376 01:14:55,320 --> 01:14:58,480 Please give us a follow on your favorite social media platform 1377 01:14:58,600 --> 01:15:00,640 at. Pitch it to Me podcast. 1378 01:15:14,240 --> 01:15:15,000 Then you don't. Then I. 1379 01:15:15,000 --> 01:15:17,040 Still get to play Bonds because I had. 1380 01:15:17,040 --> 01:15:19,320 It in our school if I. Eat. 1381 01:15:19,400 --> 01:15:24,560 Bonds of ancestry from your board state and then call judge. 1382 01:15:24,720 --> 01:15:27,160 Oh yeah, yeah. Then that's very interactable. 1383 01:15:27,160 --> 01:15:29,080 So yeah, you could eat the Phoenix farm, Clark, That's the. 1384 01:15:29,080 --> 01:15:31,240 Assumption. That's the answer to all your 1385 01:15:31,240 --> 01:15:32,280 problems. Eat this. 1386 01:15:32,280 --> 01:15:34,960 Can't like this. Can't if I eat it first. 1387 01:15:36,840 --> 01:15:39,280 I swear it's on the combat channel. 1388 01:15:43,160 --> 01:15:44,960 He ate it. Where's the evidence? 1389 01:15:46,520 --> 01:15:47,040 Look in my mouth.