1 00:00:09,280 --> 00:00:12,400 Welcome to Pitch to Me podcast, a show about the subjective 2 00:00:12,400 --> 00:00:14,720 past, present, and potential future of flesh and blood 3 00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:16,920 design. In preparation for 4 00:00:16,920 --> 00:00:19,160 mechanologists return in high seas. 5 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:22,680 We will analyze a selection of cards from bright lights and see 6 00:00:22,680 --> 00:00:24,480 what we can learn from that set's design. 7 00:00:24,800 --> 00:00:27,200 You can find us across all socials such as Blue Sky 8 00:00:27,200 --> 00:00:29,480 Instagram at Pitch to Me podcast. 9 00:00:37,220 --> 00:00:38,900 I'm Clark. I'm Joel. 10 00:00:39,020 --> 00:00:41,740 And I'm. Fuzzy, hello everybody. 11 00:00:41,740 --> 00:00:44,460 Welcome to this week's episode of Pitch to Me pot. 12 00:00:44,460 --> 00:00:49,500 Hey, we've we've recorded a lot of episodes in preparation for 13 00:00:49,500 --> 00:00:51,300 April. This is probably coming out in 14 00:00:51,300 --> 00:00:54,020 April, might come out early May. We'll see. 15 00:00:54,020 --> 00:00:55,980 We'll see where all the episode lands, but. 16 00:00:56,520 --> 00:01:00,520 Yeah, Clark and Joel are leaving us to go do London things. 17 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:02,720 Our recording schedule is a little bit all over the place. 18 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:07,000 We've been so good at releasing every single week of 2025. 19 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:09,600 We're going to try to keep it up even though we're going on 20 00:01:09,600 --> 00:01:11,880 vacations. Yeah, I'm going to. 21 00:01:11,920 --> 00:01:14,640 I'm going to be doing a whole extra week in Italy after PT 22 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:15,360 London. Yep. 23 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:18,040 And I'm not going to be available to record or edit the 24 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:19,640 podcast. I will be in the middle of 25 00:01:19,640 --> 00:01:21,240 nowhere. Hell yeah brother. 26 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:25,280 I'll be here though, chilling. Speaking of work stuff, though, 27 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:27,400 Joel. Yeah, I just came back from a 28 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:33,080 six day trip to Vegas, which might sound cool, but I don't. 29 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:35,680 Does sound cool? But I, but I, I don't cheat, 30 00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:38,360 gamble or drink. So this is like the worst place 31 00:01:38,360 --> 00:01:41,480 for me to be. And I was also like sick for the 32 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:44,680 first four days of my trip. But it was, it was for this like 33 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:48,680 basically career defining event that I was helping prepare since 34 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:51,280 I got hired and it went swimmingly. 35 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:55,120 I think I, the hours that I put in to make sure all the details 36 00:01:55,120 --> 00:01:56,760 were worked out went really smoothly. 37 00:01:56,760 --> 00:01:59,520 And then even the stuff that was starting to go a little bit bad 38 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:02,520 or just some hiccups along the way, I handled really well. 39 00:02:02,520 --> 00:02:05,800 I was just on my game. So in flesh and blood terms, you 40 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:08,639 sunk, you're winning in, and now you're going on to Day 2. 41 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:12,320 This is like 46 O against like Michael Hamilton and my winning 42 00:02:12,320 --> 00:02:15,480 in and yeah, so that that's how the event went, yeah. 43 00:02:15,640 --> 00:02:17,320 I'm so excited. You're Day 2 in your career. 44 00:02:17,480 --> 00:02:19,040 Yeah. Can't believe you resolved 2 45 00:02:19,040 --> 00:02:21,120 sigils all since I didn't think you'd run those. 46 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:24,320 Yeah. God, he had extra room and tempo 47 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:27,480 for the sigil of silences. This guy just smoked it. 48 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:29,320 Yeah. That was pretty on top of it. 49 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:31,400 And or he played CYB. Combo. 50 00:02:31,920 --> 00:02:35,720 OK, that's disgusting. But yeah, my bosses are happy 51 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:39,480 and we got some really good leads from the event, so I'm 52 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:41,200 pretty excited about the next few weeks. 53 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:42,040 Nice. Well sweet. 54 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:43,640 We love hearing about everyone doing well. 55 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:46,880 Yeah, Speaking of doing well, I've been doing pretty well at 56 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:52,720 the AGEI not only made that semi final finish back in February, 57 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:56,040 but then I proceeded to get points the next two months. 58 00:02:56,200 --> 00:02:58,560 Your boy is a mid gamer. I can. 59 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:02,720 Get points. I'm sure you've like more than 60 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:05,360 doubled the amount of points I've gotten in the AG ES at this 61 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:06,640 point. Yeah maybe. 62 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:08,920 And I also think it's not official yet. 63 00:03:08,920 --> 00:03:11,480 I gotta wait for them to make the post, but I'm pretty sure 64 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:13,880 I'm in the left column of the top 16. 65 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:18,280 He's totally getting invited. Maybe you'll see. 66 00:03:18,640 --> 00:03:21,600 I definitely don't feel great about Victor as a hero in this 67 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:24,040 meta, especially with Enigmas rising presence. 68 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:26,600 I think by the time this episode comes out we'll be in the middle 69 00:03:26,600 --> 00:03:31,360 of a big PQ season and Enigma is probably running that shit in 70 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:33,920 terms of how she's been rising in meta share right now. 71 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:37,840 So yeah. I don't love Victor as a choice, 72 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:40,720 but I've been having a lot of fun building Ira recently. 73 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:43,960 I'd love to see her get some meta share and get some play in. 74 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:47,600 I really don't see her doing well in Aurora meta or Enigma 75 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:52,640 meta, but I did see like when I played at my last RTN one of our 76 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:55,680 locals Thomas beat an enigma in the top 8. 77 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:58,080 So I don't know, maybe I don't know what to talk. 78 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:01,080 About I mean, Kodachi's can threaten the big wards very 79 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:04,840 efficiently, right? So it's definitely, it's, it's 80 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:07,760 an option that's out there. I'm exploring my decks. 81 00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:11,160 So true bestie fun. I love this free spirited girly 82 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:12,480 arrow of yours. Yeah. 83 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:14,640 I'm not, I'm not locked into Room Blade anymore. 84 00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:16,040 It's like it's like a whole new world. 85 00:04:16,040 --> 00:04:18,959 Yeah, bro, yeah. Play the field. 86 00:04:22,079 --> 00:04:25,200 So everyone, before we jump into today's episode, we want to hear 87 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:26,120 from you. How? 88 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:30,000 What did you guys think of Bright Lights as a fab player 89 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:32,320 and how do you think they're going to return to some of the 90 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:37,160 designs in high seas? All right, so for this episode 91 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:40,760 today, we're going to be just talking about different cards 92 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:43,840 that we've selected for discussion from the set Bright 93 00:04:43,840 --> 00:04:45,520 Lights. It's fun to talk about these 94 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:48,080 older sets a little bit, do these kind of retrospective 95 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:51,200 episodes where we get to talk about how has this set impacted 96 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:54,320 flesh and blood design and the meta and the way we think about 97 00:04:54,320 --> 00:04:58,280 the game for the last year or so, especially as we look to the 98 00:04:58,280 --> 00:05:00,720 future with the new set High Seas coming up. 99 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:03,800 We've got a new mechanologist. It doesn't get happened that 100 00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:05,600 often that we see a new mechanologist. 101 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:08,160 Who knows, maybe we'll do another episode like this for 102 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:11,040 Ranger somehow, But we're going to talk about some cards from 103 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:14,360 Bright Lights, and that's basically how it's going to go. 104 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:15,680 Red pitch, yellow pitch blue pitch. 105 00:05:15,760 --> 00:05:17,400 Bright lights, cards, Bright lights, cards, Bright lights, 106 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:18,080 cards. Yeah. 107 00:05:18,840 --> 00:05:21,320 I think I'll go ahead and take the mic then and jump in with 108 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:24,520 red pitch. I'm talking about evos because 109 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:27,640 evos were a really core part to bright lights. 110 00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:32,320 I mean they even gave it the set name of EVO right? 111 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:34,600 Like Evos are a big part of bright lights. 112 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:36,520 I think if there was one thing we were going to talk about, it 113 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:38,120 should be evos for sure. Definitely, yeah. 114 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:42,520 One of the main inspiring parts of why we're doing this episode 115 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:45,280 was also the fact that, like, there's not a lot of excitement 116 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:47,640 around mechanologists right now in high seas. 117 00:05:47,840 --> 00:05:50,280 No one's like, what crazy things are they going to do with 118 00:05:50,280 --> 00:05:51,880 mechanologists? Everyone's like, Oh yeah, it's 119 00:05:51,880 --> 00:05:53,720 mech. They're going to like crank some 120 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:56,480 items and then attack for 0 for fours over and over again. 121 00:05:56,480 --> 00:05:58,000 OK, yeah, we've seen it all before. 122 00:05:58,480 --> 00:06:00,280 But the fact of the matter is that we are getting a new 123 00:06:00,280 --> 00:06:04,640 mechanologists set and Bright Lights was not super well liked. 124 00:06:04,840 --> 00:06:07,440 I don't think LSS is going to return to the exact same well 125 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:11,280 and give us a lot of the exact same designs in math in the same 126 00:06:11,280 --> 00:06:16,120 way, because people didn't like the math that was presented in 127 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:18,480 bright lights. People didn't really show a lot 128 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:21,600 of enthusiasm for that set, Maybe because it was just Macs, 129 00:06:22,320 --> 00:06:26,200 but even MEC players were not super hot on bright lights and 130 00:06:26,200 --> 00:06:29,160 bright lights design. So they're probably going to mix 131 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:32,080 it up and do some exciting things, and I think evos are a 132 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:36,920 great place to do that. If you look at Puffin's art, you 133 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:43,680 will see that Puffin is a bird, but their human companion is 134 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:50,880 Hightail is hightail and she has some missing body parts and has 135 00:06:50,880 --> 00:06:53,600 some mechanical. You know, it's that like pirate 136 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:56,480 peg leg idea. I think we could totally see a 137 00:06:56,480 --> 00:06:57,920 return to Evo's. OK. 138 00:06:57,920 --> 00:06:59,240 And. T Batty yeah. 139 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:02,040 And people, I don't think they're expecting that, right. 140 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:05,800 And because they don't need to make Evo's as central of an 141 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:09,640 idea, they can get to focus it. Maybe like on the leg slot for 142 00:07:09,640 --> 00:07:12,240 her she has that mechanical peg leg. 143 00:07:12,320 --> 00:07:15,240 I would love to play like a pirate that has a hook for hand, 144 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:18,320 but you can replace the hook with whatever random gadget you 145 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:20,360 need to. This is kind of what I'm getting 146 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:25,080 at, so let's talk a little bit about how they did Evos to maybe 147 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:28,440 help us understand what was wrong then and what they might 148 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:31,160 do now. So the first card I want to talk 149 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:35,400 about is EVO Smooth Bore. What is EVO Smooth bore? 150 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:41,200 Evo Smooth Bore is a yellow 3 cost mechanologist action 151 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:43,920 equipment Evo arms. Yes that is a lot of text. 152 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:46,400 I think when bright lights came out we were even like wow they 153 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:49,520 had to change the bottom of the cards to fit all this text down. 154 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:52,440 There I think there were other ancillary benefits, but for the 155 00:07:52,440 --> 00:07:54,800 purposes of that joke, yeah, it's 100% true. 156 00:07:55,120 --> 00:08:00,080 They had to like yeah, it says if you have a base arms 157 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:05,200 equipped, transform it into this, then equip this, putting 158 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:09,040 the base arms under the Evo smooth bore in your arm zone. 159 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:13,120 Then once per turn instant, you can destroy a card under Evo 160 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:16,720 smoothbore to give your next weapon attack this turn plus 161 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:20,080 one. It is a blade break 3 block 162 00:08:20,080 --> 00:08:22,680 equipment, and this is a rare one. 163 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:26,240 Why am I getting 4 value for three resources at yellow? 164 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:30,600 Let's compare the value of this card to a yellow 3 cost attack. 165 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:35,400 A yellow 3 cost attack is expected to give 6 power, right? 166 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:40,039 Three costs at red give 7 power, so at yellow we would presume it 167 00:08:40,039 --> 00:08:43,520 gives 6 power, and this does not match that value at all. 168 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:47,480 This is 3 resources at action with no go again, right? 169 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:51,160 Because you do have to play this as an action card for for 170 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:54,200 conceivable value and not even on the turn that you play it, 171 00:08:54,200 --> 00:08:56,120 right? If you like half the block with 172 00:08:56,120 --> 00:08:58,400 this, immediately you don't get that 4th value. 173 00:08:58,400 --> 00:09:00,200 You can only get free value from this. 174 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:03,680 So it's a really, really low rate as an individual card that 175 00:09:03,680 --> 00:09:07,720 you need to play from your deck using an action, right? 176 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:12,640 So if we compare it to other items, because we've talked in 177 00:09:12,640 --> 00:09:14,880 the past about like anything that's going to give you delayed 178 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:21,040 value, they want to stymie, they want to give you less value 179 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:23,160 later than you would normally get upfront. 180 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:27,040 A card like Truce is a blue that costs two, that is probably 181 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:29,000 going to give you one card of value. 182 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:33,960 This card costs three more, it pitches for less, and it blocks 183 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:37,320 for three, which is kind of comparable and maybe giving you 184 00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:39,840 one point on the back end. But there are other costs 185 00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:43,280 associated with it that Truce doesn't ask of you, So it seems 186 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:46,000 weird that this card is a worse rate than Truce, you know? 187 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:49,600 Yeah, there is this massive downside to Evos of not being 188 00:09:49,600 --> 00:09:52,600 able to start with real equipment, right? 189 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:55,360 You have to be starting with these base equipment, which 190 00:09:55,360 --> 00:09:58,640 typically do not have a reasonable battle war and block 191 00:09:58,640 --> 00:10:03,440 value, and cannot typically give you reliable value until you 192 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:07,600 equip these Evos on top of them. And then there's the issue of 193 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:12,120 this is not a base EVO. So once you play EVO Smooth Bore 194 00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:17,080 into your arm slot, you no longer have access to playing 195 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:21,240 any other Arms card, including other copies of EVO Smooth Bore. 196 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:25,080 This means that you cannot replace that value. 197 00:10:25,680 --> 00:10:29,800 So the moment that you play 1 EVO Smooth Bore, the other EVO 198 00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:33,440 Smooth Bore become cracked bobbles that can block for three 199 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:35,840 I guess. And blocking for three is, I 200 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:40,160 think, OK for a card that could be totally useless at a certain 201 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:42,200 point in the game, you would want them to have a nice block 202 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:44,640 value. There are other evos in the game 203 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:47,760 that if you're running 3 copies of them, you play the first and 204 00:10:47,760 --> 00:10:51,360 the others have no block value, they're extra dead in your hand. 205 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:54,200 This card is interesting because it's one of the Evos that is 206 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:56,720 less dead after you play the first one and it's still not 207 00:10:56,720 --> 00:10:59,280 great. Yeah, I mean, some people joke 208 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:02,480 about running Titanium bubble, but I still don't see Titanium 209 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:08,040 bubble making it to any lists. Well, not anymore. 210 00:11:09,280 --> 00:11:12,160 Yeah, the cardpool has advanced beyond that point, right? 211 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:15,240 They'll run a war mongers because like, well, at least it 212 00:11:15,240 --> 00:11:17,960 has text on it, but in a similar way. 213 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:23,040 Like this is a cracked bubble titanium bubble thingy, right? 214 00:11:23,040 --> 00:11:25,160 Like it's even worse than a titanium. 215 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:26,360 Bubble one. Metal bubble. 216 00:11:26,680 --> 00:11:28,000 Yeah. Stainless steel. 217 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:30,720 Eva Smooth bubble. Smooth bubble. 218 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:33,400 And that makes it really, really frustrating. 219 00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:38,080 Now, in mechanologists, you can boost them away, right? 220 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:43,640 But here's the thing, if you boost it away, you can't play it 221 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:46,840 anymore. Yeah, if I run 3 copies, it's 222 00:11:46,840 --> 00:11:48,520 OK. If I boost extra ones away, I'll 223 00:11:48,520 --> 00:11:51,200 still have one to grab. I run the risk of some of them 224 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:53,160 getting useless after I play the first one right? 225 00:11:53,320 --> 00:11:57,200 But if I run one copy and it gets boosted away, now my 226 00:11:57,200 --> 00:11:59,360 equipment that I was planning on transforming won't get any 227 00:11:59,360 --> 00:12:01,400 value. It's risky no matter how many 228 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:03,360 copies of the card you run. There doesn't seem to be an 229 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:04,880 ideal. Exactly. 230 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:07,560 And that is bad design in my opinion. 231 00:12:07,560 --> 00:12:09,960 I think that evos were bad designed in this way. 232 00:12:10,280 --> 00:12:12,360 And then there is the ultimate pitfall. 233 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:17,200 Being able to start and play with equipment is a major value 234 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:19,080 piece. We talk about how important 235 00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:22,640 things like dyadic carapis is just for being having battle 236 00:12:22,640 --> 00:12:26,520 worn value, right? Having that inherent block value 237 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:30,280 in your equipment slot is important, and it's something 238 00:12:30,280 --> 00:12:34,000 that every other hero start with, except for mechanologists 239 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:37,000 who decide to run evos. They don't get that value, so 240 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:42,080 they start weaker than everybody else and then have to play under 241 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:47,760 rate cards to get to a slightly buffed version of what everyone 242 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:49,840 else gets for free at the start of the game. 243 00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:51,960 That's rough. Yeah. 244 00:12:51,960 --> 00:12:55,240 Not just the cost of not running normal equipments because 245 00:12:55,240 --> 00:12:59,480 equipments are gas, but also you have to pay a lot of tempo just 246 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:02,440 to get the equipments out there. And the benefit that you get 247 00:13:02,440 --> 00:13:05,160 from those two major costs doesn't seem to be worth it. 248 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:12,160 Joel, what have you thought about evos and evo design? 249 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:17,440 See, I really like them, even though I think mechanologists as 250 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:20,560 a whole just doesn't blend flavour wise with the rest of 251 00:13:20,560 --> 00:13:23,680 flesh and blood. But if I'm looking at just 252 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:26,680 mechanologists and evos, they they're really cool. 253 00:13:26,680 --> 00:13:29,080 I like totally the fact that you're sort of building this 254 00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:32,280 arsenal, the smooth bore line or the smooth whatever's. 255 00:13:32,480 --> 00:13:35,920 Yeah, I really like this line in particular because it reminds me 256 00:13:35,920 --> 00:13:40,840 of like the MEX that appear in like, Fallout, like some of the 257 00:13:41,280 --> 00:13:42,920 power suits of armor that you can wear. 258 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:46,920 Yeah, I know Evos really are badass flavor. 259 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:49,960 They're such an opportunity for LSS because they are one of the 260 00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:54,640 coolest designs at face value aesthetically, and I really hope 261 00:13:54,640 --> 00:13:56,840 that they find a way to implement them back into the 262 00:13:56,840 --> 00:13:59,240 game in a way that's balanced a little bit better. 263 00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:03,000 And I kind of get why they're a little bit underpowered because 264 00:14:03,400 --> 00:14:06,600 even if you spend the tempo to equip one of these on your 265 00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:10,120 equipment zones, you're still getting a one time use of three 266 00:14:10,120 --> 00:14:13,160 block which is already overrate for any equipment. 267 00:14:13,160 --> 00:14:15,680 And that's why people gravitate towards like the Steel Soul 268 00:14:15,680 --> 00:14:19,640 series because it's 3 temper, but even 3 battle break can have 269 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:23,600 its use cases, especially if the abilities on these equipments 270 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:27,280 are aggressively slanted. So getting for value on each of 271 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:30,400 them is a little bit like drawing cards, not directly, but 272 00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:32,520 that's sort of how I'm thinking about it. 273 00:14:32,520 --> 00:14:35,320 Like they are being careful on the way that you're able to 274 00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:38,120 store resources stored this defensive overlap. 275 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:41,360 And so for that reason, I kind of see why it's a little bit 276 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:44,160 under rate as compared to like anything else you'd be spending 277 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:46,040 three resources and an action point on. 278 00:14:46,400 --> 00:14:50,480 But overall, I think they really pulled their punches on like. 279 00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:54,680 The most of the Evo's because all the aggressive options that 280 00:14:54,680 --> 00:14:57,760 you have are just they have no chance of translating in the 281 00:14:57,760 --> 00:14:59,880 same way that you can with the steel sole series. 282 00:15:00,160 --> 00:15:02,840 I completely agree. They definitely do need to be 283 00:15:02,840 --> 00:15:05,760 careful about allowing for a massive amount of defensive 284 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:11,640 overlap and I think we have seen some decks utilize that in some 285 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:14,280 not quite unhealthy ways, but definitely in ways where we have 286 00:15:14,280 --> 00:15:18,840 seen that power with Evo's steel sole legs in Pistol Dash. 287 00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:21,480 Yes. Yes, and also there it was a 288 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:26,000 brief moment when Max's were running that for some block 289 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:28,240 value in their legs. It's just a way of helping delay 290 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:31,080 the game until they could transform into mechanoid. 291 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:35,040 Now there is another part to the EVO equation which I want to 292 00:15:35,040 --> 00:15:38,160 discuss in my next card, Demolition Protocol. 293 00:15:38,680 --> 00:15:44,040 Demolition Protocol is a Majestic Red 3 cost 294 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:48,040 mechanologist attack action. It has Evo upgrade. 295 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:51,800 When this attacks a hero remove all steam counters from up to X 296 00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:55,920 equipment, items and or weapons they control where X is the 297 00:15:55,920 --> 00:15:58,720 number of evos you have equipped. 298 00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:02,000 So this introduces us to the evo upgrade mechanic, which I 299 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:06,080 believe is actually a part of the equation for running evos, 300 00:16:06,760 --> 00:16:09,320 which is you get these attack actions, which can become 301 00:16:09,320 --> 00:16:13,200 overrate if you get to play your evos out. 302 00:16:13,400 --> 00:16:19,160 And I think that's really really it's a very necessary aspect to 303 00:16:19,160 --> 00:16:22,000 the equation for evos because just looking at evos alone, they 304 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:24,920 are completely non functional. But once you start including 305 00:16:24,920 --> 00:16:28,600 some of these other evo upgrade cards, now you're starting to 306 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:32,920 see where they try to provide that actual value. 307 00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:37,640 Right, right. It you know a yellow 43 cost 4 308 00:16:37,640 --> 00:16:41,560 value card is nowhere near good enough, but when you're adding a 309 00:16:41,560 --> 00:16:44,480 card that can go over rate like this a three for seven that can 310 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:48,800 remove like 4 steam counters just completely take away a 311 00:16:48,800 --> 00:16:52,600 weapon right like dashes weapon just no you don't get any more 312 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:55,160 pistol shots that's really strong. 313 00:16:55,520 --> 00:16:59,440 But The thing is is that why does this only hit steam 314 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:02,800 counters Yeah why couldn't this hit any counters right? 315 00:17:02,920 --> 00:17:06,880 Imagine if this could hit find dolls counters, right? 316 00:17:07,480 --> 00:17:10,319 Energy counters, energy counters. 317 00:17:10,560 --> 00:17:14,720 There's so many like, oh, what did this just hit other things? 318 00:17:15,560 --> 00:17:18,480 Yeah, Mechanologists has always seemed to me like the class with 319 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:20,359 the most unique amounts of disruption. 320 00:17:20,599 --> 00:17:23,119 And I'm thinking here specifically of T-bone and how 321 00:17:23,119 --> 00:17:26,359 you can target people's really fragile equipment suite. 322 00:17:26,359 --> 00:17:29,760 Like like if someone was using New Horizons and you boost 323 00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:33,000 certain amount of times the evos and grab either their tunic or 324 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:36,120 the New Horizons or whatever. And like pulse wave harpoon 325 00:17:36,120 --> 00:17:39,080 being able to forcibly grab cards from your opponents hand. 326 00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:41,520 Demolition protocols seem like one of those cards where it 327 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:44,400 could have just said, hey, your deck that cares about counters 328 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:46,560 in some way. I'm going to remove them and 329 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:50,280 give a little bit more play, a little bit more viability to evo 330 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:52,480 users. And it was just. 331 00:17:53,320 --> 00:17:57,760 Unnecessarily sandbagged. Yeah, I think the main issue was 332 00:17:57,760 --> 00:18:00,960 that this is such a narrow slice that only impacts other 333 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:03,960 mechanologists. Now is this a dope ass limited 334 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:06,920 Majestic? Yes, for sure. 335 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:10,200 And this is such a design choice that we see actually throughout 336 00:18:10,200 --> 00:18:13,320 bright lights where there are so many interesting majestics and 337 00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:17,240 rares that only care about destroying items or removing 338 00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:21,680 steam counters or attacking evos specifically. 339 00:18:21,680 --> 00:18:26,200 Like it's so insular to just bright lights. 340 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:28,720 Yeah, I think it's cool when they print counter play to the 341 00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:32,040 cards that they provide in the set because it makes it a little 342 00:18:32,040 --> 00:18:34,960 bit easier for them to be OK with printing like higher power 343 00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:37,280 level stuff when the counter play is also available. 344 00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:40,960 However, it's just given to mechanologists, so only 345 00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:42,840 mechanologists can check itself, you know? 346 00:18:42,920 --> 00:18:46,040 Yeah, when compared to say how Weakest Link was printed in 347 00:18:46,040 --> 00:18:48,360 Misfail. Now I'm probably not the 348 00:18:48,360 --> 00:18:52,120 happiest about how much money Weakest Link is worth, but I am 349 00:18:52,120 --> 00:18:55,840 very happy at the fact that they printed a generic 2 cost 350 00:18:55,840 --> 00:19:00,840 Majestic that attacked the core fundamental strategy that those 351 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:05,520 heroes were playing. Yeah, and I think this was the 352 00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:08,960 main issue of this being a single class set. 353 00:19:09,320 --> 00:19:13,240 Mecanologists got too many tech pieces for mecanologists. 354 00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:16,000 So if mecanologists was ever at the top of the meta, they just 355 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:20,560 end up cannibalizing themselves. I don't think that is good 356 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:24,600 widespread design, right? It's it was OK in the set 357 00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:28,480 itself, but the fact that it had no wider meta implications I 358 00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:31,600 think brought it down. Yeah, I think this card is 359 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:34,160 unfortunately been reduced to a three for seven. 360 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:37,080 I've literally heard conversations between Han V and 361 00:19:37,080 --> 00:19:40,120 Dennis Pham about like, yeah, run Demolition protocol over Big 362 00:19:40,120 --> 00:19:42,160 Shot because it's always a three for seven. 363 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:44,480 Period. Period, Mark. 364 00:19:44,760 --> 00:19:50,680 It's like, that's so sad, yeah. And this is also because so many 365 00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:54,880 evo upgrade cards have a line that makes their effect worse 366 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:59,920 and are under rate if you don't have at least 2 Evos. 367 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:03,960 So let's take a look at some of our other Evo upgrade cards. 368 00:20:05,120 --> 00:20:08,160 We have mechanical strength a three for five. 369 00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:11,960 You know that really great rate of three for five. 370 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:15,480 But it has Evo upgrade that gets plus X, where X is the number of 371 00:20:15,520 --> 00:20:17,680 Evos. So it could be a three for 9:00. 372 00:20:18,120 --> 00:20:20,400 That'd be cool. That's great, but Leviah just 373 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:22,560 gets at the moment. I have 3 cards in the sixth, one 374 00:20:22,560 --> 00:20:25,000 of which is a six in my graveyard right? 375 00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:30,040 Why does it have to take playing 4 evos for them to get that sort 376 00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:32,880 of rate? Or let's take a look at heavy 377 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:35,120 artillery. The defending a hero can't 378 00:20:35,120 --> 00:20:38,240 defend this with attack action cards with costs less than X, 379 00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:40,240 where X is the number of heroes you have equipped. 380 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:43,360 Holy shit, that's some really good evasion, right? 381 00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:48,280 No no no, read that again. Defending hero can't defend this 382 00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:53,200 with attack action cards. Non attack action cards can 383 00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:55,920 block this regardless. Reactions can block this 384 00:20:55,920 --> 00:20:59,560 regardless. There it just allies. 385 00:20:59,920 --> 00:21:02,280 I don't know if allies can block, but like allies could 386 00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:06,720 conceivably block this so again it has like. 387 00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:11,840 Just adding that word attack makes this card so much worse. 388 00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:18,160 I feel like this would be run in a lot more decks with evos if it 389 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:22,000 didn't say attack action cards. Right there they also have lots 390 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:26,360 of options for evo upgrade cards too, so the worser upgrade evo 391 00:21:26,360 --> 00:21:28,280 upgrade cards have a harder time seeing play. 392 00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:33,520 Yeah, I know immediately there aren't that many of these cards. 393 00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:37,840 And I think that in high seas, we could see a return to evo 394 00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:43,000 upgrades and a return to evos where, you know, maybe you only 395 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:46,120 need one or two evos for it to become overrate. 396 00:21:46,120 --> 00:21:50,120 And as long as it's not a puffin specialization card, that 397 00:21:50,120 --> 00:21:53,520 couldn't really see the floodgates open for the rest of 398 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:56,000 mechanologists in running Evo cards. 399 00:21:56,640 --> 00:22:00,280 I think it's interesting how the EVO upgrade cards, they give you 400 00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:04,760 the exact same reward curve based on the evos themselves, 401 00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:07,520 because evos want you to have a shit early game in order to get 402 00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:11,840 good rewards late game. Evo upgrade cards also are shit 403 00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:13,760 early game to give you a reward late game. 404 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:16,360 And I wonder if there's some design space that could open up 405 00:22:16,360 --> 00:22:18,520 in the future where they flip the curve a little bit. 406 00:22:19,360 --> 00:22:22,000 Because what if there were just EVO support cards that made it 407 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:24,280 easier for you to get the evos on the board? 408 00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:27,120 I don't think they explored that space too much in the original 409 00:22:27,120 --> 00:22:29,320 bright light set. I think like that's the kind of 410 00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:32,480 stuff that EVO cards need. They need you to be able to to 411 00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:35,480 get your evos out sooner. Those are the kind of cards that 412 00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:38,200 I want to put in my deck if I'm planning on running evos or have 413 00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:41,000 control over what I do with evos after they're already played. 414 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:43,480 Something to do with those like useless evo cards after. 415 00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:47,720 Yes, giving all the evos an effect that occurs when they are 416 00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:50,560 played. And then if you have a base 417 00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:53,480 equipment then it becomes the equipment right? 418 00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:57,760 So it can almost act as a non attack action card that after 419 00:22:57,760 --> 00:23:03,040 resolving can become the can go on top of the base, but you can 420 00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:06,800 always get that initial value of the non attack action card that 421 00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:08,880 you're playing. Or like a loyalty beyond the 422 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:11,800 grave effect for mechanologists to search those you know. 423 00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:15,560 Which also then rewards it for having blade break or temper and 424 00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:17,640 letting it break and go to the graveyard. 425 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:22,720 Because before they are a lot of mechanologists are terrified of 426 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:27,160 actually letting those equipment break because they rely on them 427 00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:30,320 to provide the evo upgrade value for their late game so they can 428 00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:36,080 never really get rid of it. And by allowing it to break and 429 00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:38,200 go to graveyard for these loyalty beyond the grave 430 00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:41,200 effects, where maybe you can banish it or do something else 431 00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:43,720 with it. That's a really, really cool 432 00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:45,360 idea. Plus, Tekwilvasin loves it, 433 00:23:45,360 --> 00:23:46,000 right? Right. 434 00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:48,760 Block with it and then I can like self scrap it without 435 00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:52,400 having to run scrap cards. I'm sure Tekwilvasins would love 436 00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:57,440 that card. But yeah, Evos, I really hope 437 00:23:57,440 --> 00:24:00,640 that we see a return to them in high seas with, you know, 438 00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:04,400 pirates replacing their hook hands or their peg legs. 439 00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:08,720 I'm really excited to see how they try to solve this problem 440 00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:16,000 of how much value is lost in the early game and how they can help 441 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:19,720 balance that out a little bit. That's all I have for red pitch. 442 00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:23,680 I think I'm going to pass it off to yellow pitch, which is fuzzy. 443 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:27,480 All right, so I want to talk about two specific cards For 444 00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:30,400 different reasons. I'm thinking a little bit less 445 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:33,760 on the perspective of of Evos and what we might see in high 446 00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:37,160 seas and more like broad strokes, some design patterns 447 00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:39,000 and mechanologists that I want to talk about. 448 00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:42,480 The first card I want to use to highlight that is Singularity. 449 00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:47,960 Whoa, the the single splashiest. Card from Bright Lights. 450 00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:50,600 I would say it's one of the splashiest cards in the game. 451 00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:53,360 I don't think there's many more cards that have such an 452 00:24:53,360 --> 00:24:56,840 explosive effect as to completely rearrange your entire 453 00:24:56,840 --> 00:24:59,800 board state into one super robot that you use to demolish your 454 00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:01,520 opponents. Like, well, fuzzy. 455 00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:03,280 I can think of at least one other. 456 00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:05,520 What construct? Metro Mecanoid. 457 00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:11,520 Even OK, Great Mecanoid Mecanoid is also a very flashy card. 458 00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:14,240 Well, it's a like you set it up for you. 459 00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:16,200 Like describe construct Nitro mecanoid. 460 00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:18,000 Technically, singularity eats up. 461 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:21,720 One more card than construct mecanoid I think, right? 462 00:25:22,360 --> 00:25:24,000 Maybe. Actually no, cuz you do. 463 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:26,000 Mechanoid needs 3 hyper drivers, yeah. 464 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:27,640 Singularity doesn't just needs 4 evos. 465 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:29,680 And your hero? Well, yeah, yeah, but 466 00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:32,840 Singularity has like it's a lot more foreboding cuz they made 467 00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:36,160 them a macropotent, a shadow mechanologist for some reason 468 00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:40,840 with a soul bro. Yeah, it's crazy good shit, and 469 00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:44,920 I think the word extreme defines it really well. 470 00:25:45,120 --> 00:25:49,040 And FAB has to be really careful with extreme strategies because 471 00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:51,720 FAB tends to not be a game of extremes. 472 00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:54,280 We don't have infinite combos every game like Magic the 473 00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:58,560 Gathering does, and we don't have like as much variance in 474 00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:01,720 other games. It's a pretty disciplined game 475 00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:05,240 where you have cards that have similar value depending on the 476 00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:06,360 different ways that you use them. 477 00:26:06,360 --> 00:26:11,480 You know, Singularity offers to break the game, break the 478 00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:14,840 fundamental math of the game in a way that LSS generally has to 479 00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:17,480 be really careful about, and there's a reason why they don't 480 00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:20,440 do it very often. So would you guys agree that 481 00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:26,080 like Singularity promotes a play style where all I have to do is 482 00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:28,240 play Singularity to win the game? 483 00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:32,800 Oh this is hard because we have a teclo local and for me 484 00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:36,640 specifically, all the locals I play at he plays at. 485 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:42,480 So like I know Ben, I love Ben, I love how dedicated Ben is to 486 00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:46,480 Teclovossen. I think he does not actually 487 00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:48,760 resolve singularity all that often and I have seen him be 488 00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:50,960 very comfortable blocking with singularity. 489 00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:56,160 So I almost want to say no, but also as a design, yes. 490 00:26:56,560 --> 00:27:00,240 He's Ben has also told me on a few occasions where he will 491 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:03,680 change his strategy based on what his opponents doing. 492 00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:07,840 So I've actually seen him cast it twice and we've played many 493 00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:12,040 times where he's not cast it. So I think overall I would say 494 00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:16,000 no, that it's not the like ultimate goal of the deck. 495 00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:19,720 I think it's really the most win more card there is in Flesh and 496 00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:22,000 Blood. OK, I love that perspective. 497 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:25,160 It's a little bit counter to at least my intuition about the 498 00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:27,560 card. I'm not going to sit here and 499 00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:30,360 say that I have more experience than a Tec Levosin player, so 500 00:27:30,360 --> 00:27:33,680 I'm really glad that that my assumption is being challenged a 501 00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:35,640 bit. But the amount of value you get 502 00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:39,040 from casting this one card does seem like it could be enough to 503 00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:42,840 completely run away with the game, even if you're down by 30 504 00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:46,880 life, even if you have only swung a couple of attacks before 505 00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:48,920 that up in until this point. Because the amount of aggressive 506 00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:51,840 pressure that you can get from casting this card and setting up 507 00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:54,960 your deck with these amazing disruptive 3 for nines that are 508 00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:57,520 going to have go again. You know, the amount of 509 00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:01,040 offensive pressure that you get for the rest of the game is 510 00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:03,800 incredible. I, I, I do want to check one 511 00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:06,720 thing fuzzy, which is when you think about playing Singularity, 512 00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:10,600 do you think about playing Singularity on a full Evo steel 513 00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:14,400 sole board where you are getting the five intellect, where you 514 00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:16,600 are getting those 3 for nines on top of your deck where you're 515 00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:19,720 getting the extra action points when you play this card? 516 00:28:20,120 --> 00:28:26,880 Or are you more thinking about like playing it on a board of, I 517 00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:28,640 don't know, the zip line series right? 518 00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:31,160 Those like little yellow 0 cost instant evos. 519 00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:35,360 I think there's a design intention embedded into the game 520 00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:38,400 that if you play it with all the Steel Soul series out, it's 521 00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:41,320 going to be full power for sure. And that might be enough to 522 00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:44,440 single handedly win the game in some circumstances, right? 523 00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:47,080 But. Is that value attributed to the 524 00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:49,760 evos or to singularity? That's true. 525 00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:51,960 Like how much of that design credit can we give to 526 00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:54,480 singularity? How much is it like dispersed 527 00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:56,000 across across the pieces of the set? 528 00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:58,840 That's a good question because it isn't necessarily just 529 00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:00,560 singularity winning the game at that point. 530 00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:03,080 It's in tandem with these other set of Majestic. 531 00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:07,160 So I acknowledge that. But I do think the play style is 532 00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:09,920 what I want to focus in on. The play style is ultra 533 00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:13,800 defensive until you flip. I think maybe even the most 534 00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:16,320 defensive play styles save for fatigue. 535 00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:19,000 And I know fatigue is a very wide umbrella too, but 536 00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:23,240 considering that the goal is not necessarily for your opponent to 537 00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:27,240 simply stop providing threats, it's the most defensive play 538 00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:29,240 style that does have an actual end game. 539 00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:31,160 Because it is pretty much one card. 540 00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:34,280 Everything else is defensive. Playing Evo Steel Souls does not 541 00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:36,680 require me to attack. I can if I want to. 542 00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:39,480 Sometimes the scrap cards make it easier, but I don't really 543 00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:41,960 have to attack to play those. I don't really have to put on 544 00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:44,120 actual pressure. I just play Singularity and the 545 00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:47,800 pressure comes after I'm done wading through the defense and 546 00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:50,360 setting up my game. I think that is true. 547 00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:54,200 So with that assumption, we've I'm so glad you guys poked a 548 00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:56,120 couple of holes in it. But for the purposes of this 549 00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:59,680 discussion, I want to talk about how healthy play styles like 550 00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:03,480 that are for the game, because I think FAB has a little bit of a 551 00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:06,920 polarization issue. When you're designing cards for 552 00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:11,160 a game, especially new heroes, new classes, you want to be able 553 00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:14,040 to create new axes that you can iterate upon. 554 00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:17,080 They did this really early when they made Arcane Damage. 555 00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:20,240 They're like, hey, let's introduce a completely new 556 00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:23,520 damage type to the game as part of the fundamental like way that 557 00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:26,240 they set up the game, right? Arcane Rising is, I assume, like 558 00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:29,200 pretty much in the works before they even printed Welcome to 559 00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:30,280 Rate. It was something they always 560 00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:33,040 intended to be in the game for the purposes of this discussion. 561 00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:37,640 Yeah, a lot of the times when it the alpha part and, and correct 562 00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:39,560 me if I'm wrong on this troll because you played closer to 563 00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:42,920 this period than I did. Welcome to Wraith and Arcane 564 00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:46,640 Rising were considered the alpha of Flesh and Blood, and when 565 00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:50,160 they put those sets forward they were intended as this is the 566 00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:53,000 baseline for the game. That that's how it was explained 567 00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:54,320 to me. I would say it's like the alpha 568 00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:57,720 and the beta, but the origin of the game is like probably the 569 00:30:57,720 --> 00:30:59,400 most accurate way you could describe flesh and blood. 570 00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:02,400 Yeah, and James White often times talks about the original 8 571 00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:07,280 heroes and that being separate from what comes after. 572 00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:12,080 So arcane damage is a completely separate axis from regular 573 00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:14,840 attacking and blocking. And they have Rune Blade, which 574 00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:17,560 tends to do lots of small bursts of arcane and Wizard that does 575 00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:20,760 one big burst of arcane and how the different heroes and players 576 00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:22,080 can interact with those mechanics. 577 00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:27,080 So by introducing a whole nother axis to play, you need the 578 00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:30,120 players to be able to have tools to respond to it, right? 579 00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:34,640 Very polarizing strategies have a very delicate balance to 580 00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:36,720 strike for them to be healthy for the game. 581 00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:41,280 I think Teclovosin and Singularity as a strategy, while 582 00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:43,920 again, that's an umbrella for I'm sure a lot of different 583 00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:47,360 iterations you can make within. I think they fit that criteria 584 00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:52,240 for something that can either be completely overpowering or very 585 00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:54,440 underpowered. And it's very hard to find 586 00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:57,280 yourself in the middle where it's a upper B tier, lower A 587 00:31:57,280 --> 00:31:58,640 tier deck. Right. 588 00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:02,320 And right now Tech Lovosin is sitting in the F tier. 589 00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:08,840 Part of that curve where he is not, he does not have the tools 590 00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:12,120 to fight off a lot of decks. Either you can handle Teclovosin 591 00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:14,240 or you can't. He has a few good matchups, 592 00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:16,760 right? But like he's able to beat 593 00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:20,200 slower decks because he has an ultimate end game tool that any 594 00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:22,280 slower deck is going to have a really hard time fighting 595 00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:24,560 against. Or he gets walled out and he's 596 00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:27,080 not able to protect himself. Very much so. 597 00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:31,360 And I would say any really polarizing play styles like 598 00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:35,600 these are going to have that struggle where they just feel 599 00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:38,000 bad. Stack Kano also kind of felt 600 00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:40,840 like this, even though a lot of people and especially Kano 601 00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:44,080 players refer to it as probably the healthiest that Kano has 602 00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:47,840 ever felt in the meta, still kind of feels like, well, do you 603 00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:52,920 kill me before I hit my stack or else Drug and Singularity can 604 00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:55,680 feel like that. I think Kasai's Raisin army can 605 00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:57,480 feel like that in certain matchups. 606 00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:01,640 I I would argue any deck that uses allies is polarizing in and 607 00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:03,920 of itself. Yes, not just Kasai. 608 00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:06,040 I like that you. That was really funny they 609 00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:09,320 decided Kasai was the problem. I've been I've been talking 610 00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:12,160 with. Colin about the Kasai Victor 611 00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:14,120 matchup specifically. Colin Erickson. 612 00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:16,280 Yeah, yeah, yeah. And he's been saying, like, you 613 00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:18,240 know, Victor's probably the one of the ones I struggle with the 614 00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:20,560 most 'cause you can actually deal damage to me. 615 00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:24,880 And I'm like, yeah. And he's like, but if I ever 616 00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:28,360 just play Raisin Army with like 3 or 4 allies, like I, I will 617 00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:31,680 win that game. And it's like, yeah, I don't 618 00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:34,480 know how much I like that. I don't know if that's entirely 619 00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:38,160 healthy for the game to have any of these like late game trump 620 00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:41,520 cards, but I think a lot of people love playing the decks 621 00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:43,960 where there are these big late game trump cards. 622 00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:47,880 So I think they kind of should exist in Flesh and Blood, but 623 00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:49,880 they present this inherent design problem that's always 624 00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:53,280 going to be a little toxic. I think if I were to rephrase 625 00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:56,720 what I love your saying, it's that if you want to produce 626 00:33:56,800 --> 00:34:01,560 really cool, really fun effects, they probably have to be some 627 00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:03,400 level of really powerful in a way. 628 00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:06,480 And you have to put powerful effects at the end of the game 629 00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:08,440 in order for them to feel fair at all. 630 00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:11,040 You know? Like raising an army in Kasai is 631 00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:13,440 really badass. And in order to make it fair, 632 00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:15,840 you have to sacrifice a bunch of gold tokens, which means you 633 00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:17,400 have to wait some time to build it up. 634 00:34:17,679 --> 00:34:20,080 And then you get 3 or 4 of these soldiers. 635 00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:21,639 And that's a really powerful effect. 636 00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:23,760 Like how are you going to let the player have three or four 637 00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:27,080 soldiers from a single card in a way that feels fair? 638 00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:28,719 You kind of have to gate keep it behind. 639 00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:31,440 Like this end game goal, this long term quest that you have to 640 00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:33,760 fulfill. I think I want to move on to 641 00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:37,159 talking about another card that I think is a hallmark of 642 00:34:37,159 --> 00:34:38,679 mechanologist design. That's. 643 00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:42,080 Twin Drive? You mean the most expensive card 644 00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:44,920 in bright lights? And why is this the most 645 00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:47,600 expensive card in bright lights? It literally has 2 words of 646 00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:49,320 text. Boost Boost. 647 00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:51,400 No, no, no. It has a lot more than two words 648 00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:53,239 of text. Because they felt the need to 649 00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:57,360 put the reminder types for boost on each instance of boost. 650 00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:02,360 Give me flavor text you fucks. Boost as an additional cost to 651 00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:03,800 play this. You may pass the top card of 652 00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:05,240 your deck if it's a Technologist card. 653 00:35:05,240 --> 00:35:10,400 This kids go again Boost as an additional cost of. 654 00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:16,520 It makes me so angry. It is a 2 for five that blocks 655 00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:18,480 for three. It's a worse rate compared to 656 00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:21,240 Throttle which is a 2 for six. But throttle only boosts once 657 00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:23,240 even though Go again doesn't stack right. 658 00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:25,880 You can boost twice with Twin Drive, but you're only going to 659 00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:29,320 be able to get Go again once. So if you're playing the card in 660 00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:33,240 isolated like event, Twin Drive is a worse card than Throttle, 661 00:35:33,240 --> 00:35:34,880 which is a common from Arcane Rising. 662 00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:42,240 And somehow which way modern fab player $30 boost twice for -1 663 00:35:42,240 --> 00:35:49,000 value or $0.20 two for six would go again so. 664 00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:52,200 I'm being a little glip here. The reason Twin Drive is a good 665 00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:56,360 card is because of synergy. Synergy is the only reason why 666 00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:57,960 you would consider Twin Drive a good card. 667 00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:00,280 I suppose there's a floor of like I can always just boost 668 00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:03,240 once and get a 2 for five go again and A2 for five go again 669 00:36:03,240 --> 00:36:05,720 isn't that bad, especially one that blocks for three. 670 00:36:05,720 --> 00:36:08,320 Ninjas run it. Yeah, but Surging Strike has a 671 00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:10,080 lot of synergy. Stupid. 672 00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:14,640 You're the Guardian player running zealous belting that 673 00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:16,400 literally. Is just a 2 for five go again. 674 00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:20,840 Hey, could drive blocks for three, Zealous Belting and 675 00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:22,400 Surging Strike only block for two. 676 00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:25,360 So there's a little bit of an edge over that, probably not 677 00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:28,840 enough to make it majestic. The real power is in synergy, 678 00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:34,280 and that's a design pattern we see over and over and over again 679 00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:37,200 in Bright Lights. They give you a card that could 680 00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:41,960 only be considered good when you take into account synergy. 681 00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:45,640 Yeah. And I think that shows that LSS 682 00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:48,760 is afraid of something. They're afraid of that synergy 683 00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:53,560 because you can only get the value if the synergy is even 684 00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:57,240 better than the deficit that you had in the 1st place just for 685 00:36:57,240 --> 00:37:01,000 playing an underrated card. Oh, that is not the framing that 686 00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:04,640 I would use because Afraid kind of puts it into a negative 687 00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:06,560 context. I think it's really positive 688 00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:11,400 because I think they're saying, look, this is an interesting 689 00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:15,600 special effect that makes you want to work around it. 690 00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:18,880 You want to find ways of getting value out of boosting twice when 691 00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:20,360 you see something like Twin Drive. 692 00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:23,800 Or maybe it's more like you see all these cards that care about 693 00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:28,520 you boosting things away like Hyper X3 and being if you manage 694 00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:32,680 to boost away a hyper driver, you can like start drawing 695 00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:34,560 cards. Sure, that's pretty fucking 696 00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:39,080 good. Or maximum velocity, right? 697 00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:41,280 Like do for five, go again, draw a card. 698 00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:43,120 It's pretty fucking insane, right? 699 00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:46,920 Or like getting to that 2 for 10 easier. 700 00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:52,080 That's really, really good. So I think it's less of they're 701 00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:55,680 afraid of that synergy, but they know that there is a value in 702 00:37:55,680 --> 00:38:00,600 that synergy and so they are evaluating that second line of 703 00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:04,200 boost properly by giving it -1 value. 704 00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:07,160 Interesting. I think that I have the little 705 00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:09,520 bit of an advantage here because we know that Bright Lights was 706 00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:14,000 not very well received it it didn't sell that well. 707 00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:15,720 This card was. Very well received by 708 00:38:15,720 --> 00:38:17,640 mechanologists immediately, because every single 709 00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:20,760 mechanologist is running maximum velocity, and this is really 710 00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:22,760 good with maximum velocity. It's true that twin Drive does 711 00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:25,200 make Max velocity a lot easier to run. 712 00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:27,880 You know, like that synergy is very much there. 713 00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:31,360 Being able to boost twice is good for playing 2 for 10. 714 00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:33,880 And also high octane when high octane was legal. 715 00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:36,280 That's true. Getting 2 action points. 716 00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:39,920 I just have this distinct memory of our friend Han V, who was a 717 00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:42,760 dash inventor extraordinaire, like truther believer. 718 00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:46,680 It was his main hero and he was like, guys, they're printing an 719 00:38:46,720 --> 00:38:49,800 all mechanologist set. I am so excited. 720 00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:52,400 And then a few months later the set is out. 721 00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:55,240 He's looking over the list and he's like, I think the only card 722 00:38:55,240 --> 00:38:58,080 in this entire set that I care about is Twin Drive. 723 00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:00,760 Yeah. If I'm going to play dash IE I 724 00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:04,280 think Twin drive is the only card that makes my deck any 725 00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:07,240 better. And he's not on the pistol dash, 726 00:39:07,240 --> 00:39:09,960 so he wasn't even looking at steel sole legs at all. 727 00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:12,480 Yeah, so literally just the one card for a dash. 728 00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:14,040 I don't know, maybe some of that is healthy. 729 00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:16,640 It's OK to iterate on the design because we you know that dash 730 00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:20,040 IO, the new dash hero was playing plenty of these cards 731 00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:22,040 from bright lights, right? Yeah Boom grenade is really 732 00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:23,160 good. That's a common. 733 00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:25,360 Heist. Yeah, there were like plenty of 734 00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:27,880 other good options. I also remember him playing 735 00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:33,880 cards like Junkyard Dog at blue, which is a three for 4:00. 736 00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:38,000 That becomes a three for five blue if you scrap a card, and 737 00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:39,080 again, this is one of those cards. 738 00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:44,080 It's like I have to scrap in order for this to be on a three 739 00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:48,280 for seven block 3, which is what all other classes get, including 740 00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:51,040 technologists because it exists in generic with no effects. 3 741 00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:54,480 for seven block 3 is not something that I need to work to 742 00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:58,280 get to normally normally. And the scrapping I kind of 743 00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:01,600 argue is only good if you're playing Teclovosin where he can 744 00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:03,680 play Evos from banish. I might just be like missing 745 00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:05,920 something obvious here, but are there any other synergies for 746 00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:07,680 scrapping cards that really exist? 747 00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:11,800 I think it is heist because heist lets you put a card from 748 00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:14,920 banish into the arena for free. If it hits right. 749 00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:18,640 Yeah, on hit, but that is one reason. 750 00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:22,000 So this really muted synergy based design I think is part of 751 00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:24,640 why everyone had such underwhelmed reactions to the 752 00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:26,960 set. You know, if I have to scrap in 753 00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:29,240 order to play a three for seven, what are we doing? 754 00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:32,200 You know, especially with the payoff for scrap not doing that 755 00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:34,560 much. Or if I have to boost twice to 756 00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:37,320 get nothing and I have to find ways to make the boost twice 757 00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:39,680 interesting again, like there are cards out there. 758 00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:42,280 I totally see your argument, Clark, about making it really 759 00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:44,760 fun for Brewers. But I think the fat community at 760 00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:48,000 large, we like to evaluate things at face value 1st and 761 00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:50,320 then evaluate synergy. I think at a competitive game, 762 00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:52,280 that's a really good floor to have. 763 00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:55,960 Like what am I getting and what can I get if I work for it? 764 00:40:56,240 --> 00:40:58,400 Yeah. I mean, I think another great 765 00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:00,840 example of this is Big Shot, right? 766 00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:04,400 It's a 3 for six that if you boost two or more times, it 767 00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:07,480 gains +2. Very, very fair and limited. 768 00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:12,240 But you're never going to see this in a real deck because 3 is 769 00:41:12,240 --> 00:41:15,040 simply too high of a cost to put at the end of a chain where 770 00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:17,760 you're boosting other cards. Sure, you could do if you have a 771 00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:22,160 lot of 0 costs and like hyper drivers out, but like, is that 772 00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:25,560 really what you're doing to get a three for 8? 773 00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:28,120 Is that really the reward in all of this? 774 00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:30,600 Either that or you're activating like Technical Foundry Heart and 775 00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:33,280 then you're burning two more cards for two points of damage. 776 00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:35,160 It just doesn't seem like that good of a trade off. 777 00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:39,760 And to to get one overrate value is simply not enough, right? 778 00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:43,760 Maximum velocity 2 for 10 for just boosting one more time is 779 00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:45,760 actually just so much better of a pay off. 780 00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:48,200 I would anyone ever play this? And you know what, a three for 781 00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:51,200 eight that also blocks 3 is a little bit unprecedented, but 782 00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:53,240 the just we want something a little bit more, right? 783 00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:55,640 But it's not even like a popper at 8, right? 784 00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:58,360 Like it's base is 6. So like it doesn't even have 785 00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:03,240 that additional utility of like being the higher costed power 786 00:42:03,240 --> 00:42:07,120 for like clash, being able to like fuck over Victor's clashes 787 00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:10,480 or like being able to be a good popper against prism and and 788 00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:12,680 prisms like power reducer effects. 789 00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:16,320 Like it really just feels like, oh wow, this was like fine and 790 00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:19,280 limited and this was fun and limited, but this is never 791 00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:21,160 making it into a constructed environment. 792 00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:24,640 And I feel that way about a lot of the cards, but that's okay. 793 00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:26,960 There are a lot of fun cards. I think a lot of people really 794 00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:29,440 enjoy some of these designs. And maybe we'll get to see a lot 795 00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:32,480 of this iterated upon and actually maybe we'll go back to 796 00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:35,440 Bright Lights and be like, hey, with this new context being the 797 00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:38,120 future, some of these cards are actually playable and the 798 00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:40,440 synergy does work. So especially a lot of these 799 00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:42,600 items. I'm going to step off of my 800 00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:45,080 pitch here and hand the mic over to Joel. 801 00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:47,400 Joel, what do you have for us for Blue Pitch? 802 00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:50,880 So for Blue Pitch, I wanted to talk about some cards that I 803 00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:53,840 think, well, one of them is already a good card. 804 00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:56,920 The second one is like certified drill pipe dream. 805 00:42:57,240 --> 00:42:59,480 And the first one I'll talk about is adaptive plating. 806 00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:02,760 For those of you who don't know, adaptive plating is A1 block 807 00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:05,760 mechanologist equipment that says modular or this may be 808 00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:09,640 equipped to any equipment zone. It has a subtype of the zone 809 00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:12,920 it's equipped to and as an action, you can pay 0 to equip 810 00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:15,880 this to another equipment zone and it has galvanized. 811 00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:18,280 When this defends, you may destroy an item in control. 812 00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:21,520 If you do this gets +2 defense until the end of turn and it has 813 00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:23,480 blade break. The reason why I like this card 814 00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:26,640 because it has a lot of text and it's very versatile and outside 815 00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:30,080 of adaptive dissolver, this modular mechanic hasn't really 816 00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:32,320 been used to great effect, but I really like it. 817 00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:35,160 It's it seems very versatile and the reason I've been thinking 818 00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:37,440 about this card is because not only are we getting 819 00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:42,080 mechanologies in this new set, but I also have this like weird 820 00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:46,320 prediction that Marlin. Oh yeah, Marlin fish Marlon the 821 00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:51,360 Ranger would get a modular equipment because of some of her 822 00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:53,760 Texas says cannon. And I didn't really know where 823 00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:55,480 cannon would show up. So I was like, maybe it's an 824 00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:58,520 equipment piece and maybe you can put a cannon wherever you 825 00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:00,640 want, much like you would a ship. 826 00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:03,280 Like you put it on the side you put on the the front of the ship 827 00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:04,520 or the back of the ship, whatever. 828 00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:07,680 But that doesn't really make sense because why would you wear 829 00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:10,200 a cannon or why would you put it in lieu of a bow? 830 00:44:10,720 --> 00:44:13,960 So if it wasn't going to fit in Marlins of kit, it might be like 831 00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:16,960 maybe this Pirate Ranger mechanologist hybrid card. 832 00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:18,600 I don't really know. We don't know if there's going 833 00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:21,800 to be any hybrid stuff, any hybrid stuff in this new set. 834 00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:24,560 So that's kind of why I wanted to talk about adaptive plating. 835 00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:28,880 Also with the reveal of Puffin Hightail and some of her cards 836 00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:31,200 that she cares about, none of them say boost yet only 837 00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:34,680 galvanized. So that makes me think that this 838 00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:38,880 new mechanologist isn't going to care about a wide range of or 839 00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:41,720 like having a deck full of mechanologist cards as much as 840 00:44:41,720 --> 00:44:44,720 the previous mix. So maybe Galvanized is going to 841 00:44:44,720 --> 00:44:49,600 be a larger focus than boost is. And with that being said, you're 842 00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:52,400 going to want more ways to galvanized if it's not going to 843 00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:57,160 be like a core of your 60 cards. So maybe having redundancy in 844 00:44:57,160 --> 00:45:00,320 your equipment zone to galvanized is going to be the 845 00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:01,280 move. I don't know if it's going to 846 00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:03,960 get reprinted or not, but I think adaptive plating is going 847 00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:06,600 to play a big part in this. I love that you chose this card 848 00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:09,480 because there's so many things that I want to talk about. 849 00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:12,240 Literally every single line of text I want to discuss on this. 850 00:45:12,240 --> 00:45:14,720 Yeah, it it's, it's got a lot going for it for sure. 851 00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:16,160 What? Right, just 'cause you were 852 00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:18,920 mentioning galvanized just now. I really like how this design 853 00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:22,040 lets you pick up like random cards that you didn't quite get 854 00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:23,240 full value for, like. Yeah. 855 00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:26,280 A boom grenade just kind of wasn't able to land 'cause they 856 00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:27,600 blocked you out. Mm, hmm. 857 00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:28,920 OK. If they're attacking you, you 858 00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:31,920 can just turn that boom grenade into enabling your equipment to 859 00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:33,800 block for three. Like you're probably going to 860 00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:36,360 find a space, or you can block for three with this card for 861 00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:37,680 free. It feels like you're giving 862 00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:39,920 something up because it's an item, but it's an item that was 863 00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:42,160 probably about to be destroyed as soon as you get to your turn 864 00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:43,040 anyway, right? Yeah. 865 00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:47,800 We talked in our Alchemist custom class one we talked about 866 00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:50,760 what were the issues with items and it was typically they don't 867 00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:54,400 have go again, they don't have block value, and Crank fixed the 868 00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:58,080 issue of go again by essentially always being able to remove one 869 00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:02,400 value from the card to give a go again and Galvanized fixed the 870 00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:05,920 block value issue where you were able to generate 2 block from 871 00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:08,840 your item provided you were blocking with another card and 872 00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:11,520 gave up the item. While honoring the reasons why 873 00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:13,960 the cards don't usually do that in the first place. 874 00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:17,880 Yes, but the thing that's super weird to me about this card is 875 00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:21,880 like, why can you move it right, right. 876 00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:25,640 Like when is the use case that you would ever want to move 877 00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:27,920 this? I literally think just for tech 878 00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:30,120 Lavalin wanting to equip something but even then that 879 00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:31,480 seems weird. I don't know. 880 00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:35,480 Well, actually for adaptive plating, it's not a base, right? 881 00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:40,120 So you couldn't even equip something on top of it. 882 00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:42,880 Like, oh, I destroyed my arm slot, but now I want to play my 883 00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:47,200 other arm slot, so let me just modular this over and then equip 884 00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:49,400 it. It's also an action without go 885 00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:53,600 again, implying that there's actually a pretty big value to 886 00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:56,520 this, right? Like moving equipment slots is 887 00:46:56,520 --> 00:46:59,880 supposed to be a full action. Take your whole action point. 888 00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:02,560 Is this worth taking a whole action point? 889 00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:06,120 Yeah, I think, I think they were playing the long game with this 890 00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:07,800 line of tag. So I'm not really sure what this 891 00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:10,200 is supposed to be. I think it makes sense that they 892 00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:13,280 would want it to be there like you're saying, Joel, if it ever 893 00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:15,760 matters, a modular piece of equipment should be able to 894 00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:16,480 move. Why not? 895 00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:19,920 Now, one thing I do want to mention is that in bright 896 00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:22,360 lights, lots of designs fell flat. 897 00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:26,680 And maybe that's because they had designed other things and 898 00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:30,520 went, let's wait a little bit on this, which they've done before. 899 00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:32,480 They've said that they've done it with chaos cards, where they 900 00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:35,080 designed a bunch of chaos cards. Then they were like, we don't 901 00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:37,680 like how this works in this limited environment, so we're 902 00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:39,160 just going to put them on the shelf. 903 00:47:39,240 --> 00:47:43,440 Yeah, maybe these like special little galvanized things and 904 00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:46,560 like this modular idea. They were ideas that they were 905 00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:50,680 playing around with, but went, let's not put it in bright 906 00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:52,400 lights and save it for the next, next set. 907 00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:54,960 Pisces is coming out. It's the next, next set. 908 00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:58,480 Maybe we're getting these cool ideas that ended up not making 909 00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:01,200 it into bright lights. I think you're phrasing this as 910 00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:03,480 radical because it's a little radical. 911 00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:05,800 It's always exciting to think about, but I think it's very 912 00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:10,280 common for LSS to chill the fuck out a little bit and save it for 913 00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:12,000 another set. We see it repeatedly. 914 00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:13,560 Yeah. And then sometimes they don't 915 00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:17,120 and we get miss fail. Sometimes they're like, what 916 00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:20,200 have we just printed anyway? Like Arachne was supposed to be 917 00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:23,360 an Arcane Rising. Arachne from Dynasty was 918 00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:27,520 supposed to be in Arcane Rising. Yeah, but they just waited 919 00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:30,160 forever. It's so cool when they like, 920 00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:31,680 reveal what's behind the curtain. 921 00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:32,880 You know what? I mean, I think that's just 922 00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:34,200 common in trading card design too. 923 00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:36,960 I feel like Mark Rosewater for Magic the Gathering talked about 924 00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:40,560 like, oh, we had this design for this set, but it wasn't quite 925 00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:43,000 working. So we tried it out in this set 926 00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:44,280 and it worked really well. Woo. 927 00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:47,360 Yeah. Or they like just tweak it a 928 00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:48,880 little bit, right. They're like it's there, but 929 00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:51,400 it's not quite all there. So we're going to wait and tweak 930 00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:54,640 it. I think modular could be that 931 00:48:55,240 --> 00:49:00,080 being able to equip it anywhere. Because one thing that has been 932 00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:03,000 talked about recently in the fab scene, at least at the time of 933 00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:09,080 recording, this is a Roger that came out with a video where he 934 00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:11,720 discussed the problems with fab limited, right? 935 00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:15,880 Which are what are his main concerns with how limited works 936 00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:17,800 in flesh and blood? And one of his big complaints 937 00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:21,960 was equipment and having to draft equipment because do you 938 00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:24,720 take this equipment now or are you going to see two more arms 939 00:49:24,720 --> 00:49:27,600 pieces later? You never really know sometimes 940 00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:30,120 because it's all dependent on what gets opened in the packs 941 00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:32,720 and what other people are prioritizing at your table. 942 00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:34,640 It's really hard to evaluate that. 943 00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:37,120 But what if your equipment had modular? 944 00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:41,800 I think modular could make the return and be this fix for a 945 00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:46,240 limited issue of, you know, this equipment, it's an arms piece. 946 00:49:46,240 --> 00:49:48,600 But like, am I going to see are there arms pieces or other chess 947 00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:50,600 pieces? But what if it's modular and it 948 00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:54,440 doesn't matter where it goes? And and now, admittedly, this 949 00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:56,800 would probably be on something really, really simple, something 950 00:49:56,800 --> 00:49:59,480 similar to like the blade beckoner, right where like maybe 951 00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:02,960 it's like a 2 block blade break or like A1 block blade break and 952 00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:05,320 it's modular. So it can go anywhere, but it's 953 00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:08,880 still good to pick up because then it can go anywhere and you 954 00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:12,840 can pick up other pieces and feel more confident in picking 955 00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:16,400 up non modular equipment slots because you know that the one 956 00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:18,880 that you did have can just get moved to another slot. 957 00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:21,760 Now it can go from being what you thought was your arm slot to 958 00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:23,440 now being your leg slot. I love it. 959 00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:25,880 The last thing I want to talk about adaptive plating. 960 00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:29,680 The fact that Mech already has a lot of armor identity or a lot 961 00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:33,160 of identity in general for Evos and boosting Evos being the 962 00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:36,320 identity themselves. And basically every other piece 963 00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:39,360 of equipment for mechanologist has been about boosting or 964 00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:42,440 caring about a critical threshold of mechanologist cards 965 00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:45,600 in your deck, which is like cohesive with boosting. 966 00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:48,520 But there isn't a lot of stuff with Galvanized specifically 967 00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:52,200 outside of Adaptive plating. And so that's why I wanted to 968 00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:55,040 talk about this card because I think we're going to see a lot 969 00:50:55,040 --> 00:51:02,720 more galvanized text appear on I guess non traditional cards just 970 00:51:02,720 --> 00:51:06,160 because we've only seen on equipment and a few attack 971 00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:07,880 actions. And then I think like 2 block 972 00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:09,560 cards or one block card. Excuse me? 973 00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:13,720 Yeah, I really like that shout because you're saying there 974 00:51:13,720 --> 00:51:17,360 isn't enough item synergy in the EVO equipment. 975 00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:20,920 I think with the Max Armory deck we're getting a little bit more, 976 00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:23,360 but that's very hyper driver focused, right? 977 00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:26,480 It'd be cool to see some stuff that just cares about. 978 00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:30,760 Like maybe it builds up counters and once you have 3 counters you 979 00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:33,600 can remove a counter when you play an item to put an extra 980 00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:35,680 steam counter on it. Something like that. 981 00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:38,400 Either that or just equipment that just straight up cares 982 00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:44,320 about having an item in play or that has extra galvanized text 983 00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:46,120 to some extent, like a legendary piece. 984 00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:48,840 So I think that's what Puffin would really want to stick to. 985 00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:52,280 Oh, like a temper that also has galvanized? 986 00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:54,880 That would be sick. Something to sort of 987 00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:57,160 differentiate her play style from other mechs. 988 00:51:57,160 --> 00:52:00,600 Because I think Mech is the class that cannibalizes their 989 00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:03,640 classes more so than other classes. 990 00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:08,440 Yeah, and you know they've been willing to shift archetypes in 991 00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:10,760 the class, right? Like Florian is a mid range room 992 00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:13,320 blade when room blade has kind of always existed as like an 993 00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:17,400 aggro class right? Why not having a mid range 994 00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:19,520 mechanologist that's less centered around boost? 995 00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:21,560 I think it's totally something that LSS likes to do. 996 00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:24,360 Yeah, so I do hope there's a lot more galvanized support and item 997 00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:26,800 support in general. The last card I want to talk 998 00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:29,400 about is Steel St. Hoons, which I still think is a 999 00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:32,000 little stupid that they didn't just call it goons because 1000 00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:34,320 there's no card what called Steel St. goons. 1001 00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:38,480 So for now on, gooning is the new gooning for all you. 1002 00:52:38,600 --> 00:52:40,080 For all you gooners out there, No. 1003 00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:44,680 I hate that. And Steele St. 1004 00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:50,520 Hoons says it's a 3 for three blue pitch 2 block Majestic. 1005 00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:53,920 It says boost if an item you control has been destroyed this 1006 00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:57,720 turn and gets +2 and it has galvanized and it says 1 of this 1007 00:52:57,720 --> 00:53:00,240 defends you may destroy an item you control if you do it against 1008 00:53:00,240 --> 00:53:02,320 +2 defense. And I think every galvanized 1009 00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:05,040 card in Bright lights had the same text of you may destroy an 1010 00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:07,360 item you control if you do you get +2 defense. 1011 00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:10,400 That's been the baseline until Golden Skyward and came along. 1012 00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:13,520 Yeah, they also all have two block which is consistent with 1013 00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:17,280 Golden Skywire. Actually not cognitive field 1014 00:53:17,280 --> 00:53:20,560 that has a three block that goes to five good which like good 1015 00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:23,640 call you. This guy did his research. 1016 00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:25,800 Yeah, well, he. Totally beat my ass there. 1017 00:53:26,720 --> 00:53:29,800 And the reason why I like this card is because 345 is like 1018 00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:32,080 pretty bad, right? But it's out of blue, it's on 1019 00:53:32,080 --> 00:53:33,800 right? Which makes it pretty decent. 1020 00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:38,320 And so that means for fatigue matchups, it would be a pretty 1021 00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:43,200 decent attack in the late game. And I also like galvanized on 1022 00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:46,840 versatile attack actions. I think that's generally a good 1023 00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:50,560 thing because I think soup up. There's a whole like, cycle of 1024 00:53:50,560 --> 00:53:50,800 them. Yeah. 1025 00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:52,960 There's a whole cycle of them up to the three for seven. 1026 00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:55,400 Yeah. It's like 0 is soup up. 1027 00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:59,880 The one cost is A1 for five, that if an item has been 1028 00:53:59,880 --> 00:54:02,640 destroyed, it makes blocking worse. 1029 00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:05,960 And then another one get the 2 for six has overpower I believe, 1030 00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:07,440 Yeah. And so I like that they're 1031 00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:11,200 starting to explore more with galvanized having separate text 1032 00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:14,560 because golden sky Warden says when this defends, you may 1033 00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:16,960 destroy an item in control. If you do this gets plus one. 1034 00:54:17,240 --> 00:54:19,720 And if a golden cog is destroyed this way, create a gold and 1035 00:54:19,720 --> 00:54:22,600 repeat this process, which is technically different, but it 1036 00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:25,880 equates to getting +2 like the original galvanized. 1037 00:54:26,080 --> 00:54:30,160 But my hope is that in high seas, they explore a little bit 1038 00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:33,960 more with the galvanized mechanic and have other effects 1039 00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:38,160 like maybe dealing direct damage or getting life in some way or I 1040 00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:39,840 don't know, just adding other effects. 1041 00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:42,920 So it's a little bit more interesting of a mechanic to 1042 00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:45,240 play with other than just turning stuff into four O block. 1043 00:54:45,560 --> 00:54:47,640 I also think this card could be good for Max. 1044 00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:52,360 I think hyper drivers, unless there's a lot of new synergy to 1045 00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:55,520 just add a shit ton of steam counters on all your hyper 1046 00:54:55,520 --> 00:54:57,720 drivers. I think Supercell does that, I'm 1047 00:54:57,720 --> 00:54:59,880 not 100% sure. Supercell definitely does that. 1048 00:54:59,880 --> 00:55:03,640 Supercell can get really exponential value because if you 1049 00:55:03,640 --> 00:55:07,840 have 3 hyper drivers out and then you do X3, then they all 1050 00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:10,040 get 3 counters and you get a third, right? 1051 00:55:10,040 --> 00:55:11,520 Yeah. But if you only have one hyper 1052 00:55:11,520 --> 00:55:13,960 driver, then you're kind of locked into X being 1. 1053 00:55:13,960 --> 00:55:17,200 So like your X can increase for every other hyper driver you 1054 00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:20,880 have, which then means each hyper driver you have gets that 1055 00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:24,440 much more value. And vice versa, if you're racing 1056 00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:27,760 as Max versus another hero and you're not able to resolve a 1057 00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:30,560 really big Super Cell, I think Steel St. 1058 00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:33,880 Hoons is a really good card to think about, including because 1059 00:55:33,880 --> 00:55:38,000 it can still be a boost card to activate your hero ability as 1060 00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:41,560 well as be a galvanized card for the hybrid driver that's going 1061 00:55:41,560 --> 00:55:43,400 to be destroyed on your next boost attack. 1062 00:55:43,560 --> 00:55:46,520 It might not be the most tuned play a Max player can do, but 1063 00:55:46,600 --> 00:55:48,000 it's at least an interesting thought. 1064 00:55:48,760 --> 00:55:51,320 Cool card. Yeah, it's definitely one of 1065 00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:53,960 those cards that every single time I make a Max list, I'm 1066 00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:57,360 like, can I find room for it? Can I put it in there? 1067 00:55:57,360 --> 00:55:58,880 I'd like to. Yeah, there. 1068 00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:02,480 I think as a whole, Bright Lights had a lot of really 1069 00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:05,840 interesting majestics that just don't see play right now, and 1070 00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:08,960 I'm really excited for High Seas to iterate on a lot of that 1071 00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:10,720 stuff and make some of those things playable. 1072 00:56:11,160 --> 00:56:14,280 Yeah, give us some overrate steel St. hoons, you know. 1073 00:56:14,280 --> 00:56:15,920 Yeah, dude. But that's pretty much all I got 1074 00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:17,360 for right now. These are the cards that I 1075 00:56:17,360 --> 00:56:21,280 wanted to see their design flourish in high seas and maybe 1076 00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:23,560 iterated upon. But I think now we should just 1077 00:56:23,560 --> 00:56:25,960 move on to our Arsenal zone. Yeah. 1078 00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:29,280 Listeners, our Arsenal Zone is the part of the podcast where we 1079 00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:31,360 all shouted a card that we've been thinking about lately for 1080 00:56:31,360 --> 00:56:34,160 whatever reason we want. We're going to start off with a 1081 00:56:34,160 --> 00:56:36,680 suggestion from our Patreon members. 1082 00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:44,200 Yeah, so if you join our Patreon at the $5 or $10 tier, you get 1083 00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:48,760 to offer a card suggestion whenever we're recording for a 1084 00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:51,520 Arsenal Zone card. We keep track of them over week 1085 00:56:51,520 --> 00:56:54,160 to week, so you can just throw them in there whenever you feel 1086 00:56:54,160 --> 00:56:57,920 like it. And then we randomly decide 1087 00:56:58,120 --> 00:57:01,840 which card gets shouted out. So let's go ahead and get ready 1088 00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:06,080 to roll that dies that's. Always. 1089 00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:11,880 Hey, we got #2 which is whippy, whippy. 1090 00:57:13,120 --> 00:57:18,120 Mr. Corn dogs himself. So Whippy has been consistently 1091 00:57:18,400 --> 00:57:21,480 submitting cards, and I think we've already done Rapid Fire, 1092 00:57:21,480 --> 00:57:24,320 so this time we'll do Crazy Brew and this is what he has to say. 1093 00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:26,240 Hell yeah. You want an easy way to turn on 1094 00:57:26,240 --> 00:57:29,040 Gravy bones? Drop this shit early on and you 1095 00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:31,760 can choose to activate it, roll the dice and baby, you got a 1096 00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:33,760 blue card going to the graveyard that turn. 1097 00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:35,320 So true. Bestie on. 1098 00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:37,760 Ironically, I really like crazy brewing gravy bones. 1099 00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:41,560 Just the fact that you can high roll the two resources and two 1100 00:57:41,560 --> 00:57:47,040 action points in like an ally centric list seems really really 1101 00:57:47,040 --> 00:57:48,920 strong. Are we be running the gamblers 1102 00:57:48,920 --> 00:57:52,640 gloves? Crazy brew combo gamblers gloves 1103 00:57:52,640 --> 00:57:56,000 and gravy bones. Hold on, I got something spicy 1104 00:57:56,000 --> 00:57:58,680 for you. Life of the party in gravy bones 1105 00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:01,160 because you need to. Life of the part. 1106 00:58:03,160 --> 00:58:07,800 So crazy brew is a 0 block blue item that caused zero and it 1107 00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:12,440 says action destroy crazy brew roll A6 sided die and on one and 1108 00:58:12,440 --> 00:58:14,160 two you lose 2 life and go again. 1109 00:58:14,160 --> 00:58:16,640 Argh. On three and four you gain 2 1110 00:58:16,640 --> 00:58:21,800 life Go again or woohoo and and on five and six you gain 2 1111 00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:24,680 resources, 2 action points, and your next attack at this turn 1112 00:58:24,680 --> 00:58:27,080 gains 2. That's to be a lot of booty for 1113 00:58:27,080 --> 00:58:29,360 a 5 and 6. So true bestie. 1114 00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:31,320 I think there's not a lot of downside. 1115 00:58:31,320 --> 00:58:34,840 Like even paying two life to discard this car, like that's 1116 00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:38,600 not a huge 22. Two life just to put it in 1117 00:58:38,600 --> 00:58:41,360 graveyard from field. And you get your action Point 1118 00:58:41,360 --> 00:58:43,720 back, baby. Action back, boy, baby. 1119 00:58:44,360 --> 00:58:46,760 The upsides on this card is pretty cool, especially if like 1120 00:58:46,760 --> 00:58:48,720 the alley attacks don't have go again or play. 1121 00:58:48,720 --> 00:58:50,880 Playing the alley doesn't have go again like this is a great 1122 00:58:50,880 --> 00:58:54,240 option to sort of hire all your opponents and establish a board 1123 00:58:54,240 --> 00:58:57,840 if your gravy bones. Life of the party putting a blue 1124 00:58:57,840 --> 00:58:59,560 in your graveyard. Hello. 1125 00:58:59,880 --> 00:59:03,760 Yeah, Life of the Party is definitely like the right way to 1126 00:59:03,760 --> 00:59:08,240 use Crazy Brew. But wonderful local Anthony Pham 1127 00:59:08,240 --> 00:59:11,040 loves shoving Crazy Brew into some decks. 1128 00:59:11,480 --> 00:59:14,400 I know that he was running a one of in Aurora not too long ago. 1129 00:59:14,680 --> 00:59:17,160 I know that when he won The Players Championship in the 1130 00:59:17,160 --> 00:59:20,240 First Age Open Series. Icelander. 1131 00:59:20,240 --> 00:59:21,760 Yeah, he. Ran in Icelander. 1132 00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:23,680 Like he fucking magistered that shit. 1133 00:59:23,840 --> 00:59:25,280 And you know, life of the party and he won. 1134 00:59:26,640 --> 00:59:29,600 Life of the Party says you can discard the crazy brew as a 1135 00:59:29,680 --> 00:59:31,960 instead of paying like for the party's resource cost. 1136 00:59:31,960 --> 00:59:34,440 Discard it from hand. Yeah, you may discard or. 1137 00:59:34,440 --> 00:59:37,320 Destroy or destroy. So you could just discard the 1138 00:59:37,320 --> 00:59:40,160 crazy brew, get the go again from playing life of the party 1139 00:59:40,160 --> 00:59:43,160 that way, and then you're attacking for a six, go again on 1140 00:59:43,160 --> 00:59:45,920 it, gain to life and then you can like follow up with allies 1141 00:59:45,920 --> 00:59:47,720 or whatever. Yeah, I don't know. 1142 00:59:47,720 --> 00:59:50,920 I don't like discarding it. But it's the same value, except 1143 00:59:50,920 --> 00:59:53,960 you don't have to pay the cost. Of the difference is having the 1144 00:59:53,960 --> 00:59:56,520 extra card in hand. Like I like the idea of playing 1145 00:59:56,520 --> 00:59:59,840 a crazy brew and then arsenaling life of the party and then 1146 00:59:59,840 --> 01:00:01,760 attacking with life of the party destroying the crazy. 1147 01:00:01,760 --> 01:00:03,720 You could do that too. I have a hard time imagining 1148 01:00:03,720 --> 01:00:05,680 that. You have a hard time, you'll 1149 01:00:05,680 --> 01:00:07,160 start. So sorry you have a hard time. 1150 01:00:07,160 --> 01:00:10,880 Imagining A potion being on the field when I play another card, 1151 01:00:11,080 --> 01:00:13,400 then having them both appear in the same hand together. 1152 01:00:13,400 --> 01:00:14,200 You. Were right, Clark. 1153 01:00:14,280 --> 01:00:15,800 I did not phrase that correctly at all. 1154 01:00:16,360 --> 01:00:19,760 I have a hard time imagining myself having the discipline in 1155 01:00:19,760 --> 01:00:23,880 order to have those two cards in my hand and not just play them 1156 01:00:23,880 --> 01:00:26,680 together on the same turn. It's it's a personal thing, it's 1157 01:00:26,680 --> 01:00:28,920 an indulgent thing. It's not AI have a hard time 1158 01:00:28,920 --> 01:00:31,000 imagining Clark doing it. Clark would do that shit. 1159 01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:32,880 Sure, sure, sure, sure, sure. Sure, Clark would wait and get a 1160 01:00:32,880 --> 01:00:34,840 second marshmallow in an hour or two, you know? 1161 01:00:35,520 --> 01:00:38,520 Wait, what? Yes, camp thing, Delayed 1162 01:00:38,520 --> 01:00:40,160 gratification. No, it's the delayed 1163 01:00:40,160 --> 01:00:43,120 gratification. That's the social studies. 1164 01:00:43,920 --> 01:00:45,880 Last thing I'm encounters camp thing. 1165 01:00:46,080 --> 01:00:48,680 Anyways, thank you Blippi for making this suggestion. 1166 01:00:49,000 --> 01:00:50,680 If you didn't hear your card shout it out. 1167 01:00:50,920 --> 01:00:53,120 Feel free to keep submitting, we will get to yours eventually. 1168 01:00:53,120 --> 01:00:55,240 We roll them Mandalay, so it's kind of hard to pick them out. 1169 01:00:55,400 --> 01:00:57,120 And we love just hearing about what cards you've been thinking 1170 01:00:57,120 --> 01:00:58,960 about. Yeah, I think we're going to go 1171 01:00:58,960 --> 01:01:00,880 to our shout outs. Clark, do you want to start? 1172 01:01:00,920 --> 01:01:03,440 Sure, I'll start by shouting out Flourish. 1173 01:01:03,440 --> 01:01:05,760 Hey, remember in turn 0 when I said that I was playing around 1174 01:01:05,760 --> 01:01:07,720 with Ira? Well I've also been playing 1175 01:01:07,720 --> 01:01:12,600 around with Florian and recently I bit the bullet and bought some 1176 01:01:12,600 --> 01:01:16,120 first Strike decks. I have been notoriously avoiding 1177 01:01:16,120 --> 01:01:19,680 them because I hate the fact that the Commons in the Aurora 1178 01:01:19,680 --> 01:01:22,000 first strike deck are worth 10 plus dollars. 1179 01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:24,400 I think that is utter fucking bullshit and I think they should 1180 01:01:24,400 --> 01:01:27,480 never do that ever again. Thank God they got reprinted in 1181 01:01:27,480 --> 01:01:30,560 the Armory deck so that they can drop in cost, but that pissed me 1182 01:01:30,560 --> 01:01:33,240 off that there was a beginner specific product with a really 1183 01:01:33,240 --> 01:01:36,320 expensive Commons and rares. Flourish was one of these cards, 1184 01:01:36,320 --> 01:01:39,920 but not as much because it didn't see the same play that 1185 01:01:39,920 --> 01:01:42,640 Sizzle and Static Shock did. And you're about to argue why 1186 01:01:42,640 --> 01:01:46,520 Flourish actually should be $10. Comment I. 1187 01:01:46,560 --> 01:01:48,800 Think Flourish is a lot better than people giving you credit 1188 01:01:48,800 --> 01:01:52,040 for it? Flourish currently has only been 1189 01:01:52,040 --> 01:01:57,520 printed at yellow or blue. It is a 0 cost earth action, 2 1190 01:01:57,520 --> 01:02:02,000 block, 2 block that says the next time an attack would gain 1191 01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:04,960 power this turn it gains that much +3. 1192 01:02:05,160 --> 01:02:08,160 So if it would gain plus one instead it gains +4. 1193 01:02:08,200 --> 01:02:09,800 Yeah, they put that example right on the card. 1194 01:02:10,200 --> 01:02:13,960 It's almost like I read it off the card and it has go again. 1195 01:02:14,240 --> 01:02:18,360 It is a proactive Earth card to play when Earth doesn't have a 1196 01:02:18,360 --> 01:02:22,160 lot of proactive Earth cards. So if you're early in the game 1197 01:02:22,160 --> 01:02:25,400 and you're just hunting for good decomposed cards, Flourish is a 1198 01:02:25,400 --> 01:02:28,680 great card to play for that. Like it's an Earth card that you 1199 01:02:28,680 --> 01:02:32,520 can get offensive value from and it's also just a good rate. 1200 01:02:32,520 --> 01:02:35,200 Like a yellow 0 for three pump is solid. 1201 01:02:35,200 --> 01:02:39,080 Like I think I talked fairly recently about how nimbleism 1202 01:02:39,080 --> 01:02:43,600 feels real strong as a 0 for +3 for low cost index. 1203 01:02:43,880 --> 01:02:46,360 Hey, guess what? This does the same thing but 1204 01:02:46,360 --> 01:02:48,720 it's yellow. You just have to make sure that 1205 01:02:48,720 --> 01:02:50,640 your card is already gaining power. 1206 01:02:50,840 --> 01:02:53,320 But a lot of the decomposed cards that we're already looking 1207 01:02:53,320 --> 01:02:59,200 to run felling plow under in sunless, cadaverous tilling, all 1208 01:02:59,200 --> 01:03:01,480 of them already gained power by decomposing. 1209 01:03:01,680 --> 01:03:04,640 So if you only have one earth card and action card and you go, 1210 01:03:04,640 --> 01:03:07,560 Oh no, I need to decompose this turn to have a good offensive 1211 01:03:07,560 --> 01:03:12,200 turn, don't block, play flourish and then decompose with your 1212 01:03:12,200 --> 01:03:14,200 tilling. Now you have a three card 11 and 1213 01:03:14,200 --> 01:03:17,280 you got to decompose. Yeah, it does fulfill a certain 1214 01:03:17,280 --> 01:03:18,920 niche. There's not a lot of Earth 0 1215 01:03:18,920 --> 01:03:21,440 cost cards. Like looking at the list that I 1216 01:03:21,440 --> 01:03:24,400 would run in Florian, you have like Arcane Seeds Life, which is 1217 01:03:24,400 --> 01:03:26,120 great. No one's questioning that. 1218 01:03:26,200 --> 01:03:29,480 It's also only really able to be played in Florian and like 1219 01:03:29,600 --> 01:03:32,800 Briar, I guess. And then there's a lot of Blues 1220 01:03:32,800 --> 01:03:35,440 that are giving you like very minute value, maybe because 1221 01:03:35,440 --> 01:03:37,040 they're an item or a sigil. Yeah. 1222 01:03:37,520 --> 01:03:39,880 And then there's defensive 0 costs, which are really what 1223 01:03:39,960 --> 01:03:42,600 we're looking for here. And then Weave Earth. 1224 01:03:42,640 --> 01:03:43,960 Weave Earth is the only other one. 1225 01:03:43,960 --> 01:03:46,880 And Weave Earth is like OK you know what if it was yellow 1226 01:03:46,880 --> 01:03:48,800 instead of red and still gave you 3 value? 1227 01:03:48,800 --> 01:03:50,200 It was just a little more conditional. 1228 01:03:50,200 --> 01:03:53,240 Exactly. And I think that Earth does have 1229 01:03:53,240 --> 01:03:57,960 the tools to make it fairly turned on a lot of the time, or 1230 01:03:57,960 --> 01:04:00,280 it's just another Earth card that you can pitch, say, for 1231 01:04:00,280 --> 01:04:01,920 helping keeping your channels around. 1232 01:04:02,200 --> 01:04:04,880 I think this card has a lot of utility and I think it's very 1233 01:04:04,880 --> 01:04:07,280 underutilized include in Florian. 1234 01:04:07,520 --> 01:04:10,920 And as I work on figuring out what deck I'm going to be 1235 01:04:10,920 --> 01:04:14,360 bringing to the May AGE, I'm going to be messing around with 1236 01:04:14,360 --> 01:04:16,280 it. Yeah, that's it. 1237 01:04:16,280 --> 01:04:17,160 That's it. That's what I got. 1238 01:04:17,240 --> 01:04:21,400 Awesome, shout Clark. Fuzzy, what about you? 1239 01:04:22,280 --> 01:04:26,520 So the card that I'm shouting out today is Mandible Claw. 1240 01:04:26,680 --> 01:04:29,200 What? I'm sure this card already got 1241 01:04:29,200 --> 01:04:32,160 talked a lot about probably I bet like Joel shouted out this 1242 01:04:32,160 --> 01:04:35,520 card before. But I just, I've been craving 1243 01:04:35,520 --> 01:04:37,360 some brute. I got to play our friend 1244 01:04:37,360 --> 01:04:40,800 Valerio's brute list just on our kitchen table and we played two 1245 01:04:40,800 --> 01:04:43,600 games and I won both of them. So I think I'm a brute expert. 1246 01:04:43,640 --> 01:04:46,200 You know, I think I'm potentially maybe even the best 1247 01:04:46,200 --> 01:04:48,760 player to ever play brute because I have 100% win rate. 1248 01:04:48,760 --> 01:04:51,240 True. True, I definitely don't 1249 01:04:51,240 --> 01:04:53,600 remember when you rolled knuckle bones and got A1. 1250 01:04:54,800 --> 01:04:57,280 Did I do that on stream? No, you knucklehead, 1251 01:04:57,280 --> 01:05:01,160 knucklehead, knucklehead. And you rolled it in our unseen. 1252 01:05:01,760 --> 01:05:05,720 Yeah, I also have rolled knuckle bones knucklehead on stream in a 1253 01:05:05,720 --> 01:05:08,480 CC game. Yeah, Agee, that was pretty fun. 1254 01:05:08,880 --> 01:05:10,040 I don't know if you got a one there. 1255 01:05:10,040 --> 01:05:11,600 I think you got like a three or a four. 1256 01:05:11,600 --> 01:05:12,920 It was like, yeah, like a two or three. 1257 01:05:12,920 --> 01:05:15,640 It was bad. But anyway, I've been like 1258 01:05:15,640 --> 01:05:18,320 wanting to play Rhinar and this is mostly, I'm going to be 1259 01:05:18,320 --> 01:05:21,200 honest, it comes from like losing a lot of games of CC 1260 01:05:21,200 --> 01:05:24,400 lately at armories at tournaments like the last like 1261 01:05:24,400 --> 01:05:28,120 month and a half. I've just been like having like 1262 01:05:28,120 --> 01:05:32,080 50% win rates are worse at like every event I go to say for like 1263 01:05:32,080 --> 01:05:34,840 one or two armories where I did get like a three one win, you 1264 01:05:34,840 --> 01:05:37,320 know, like those are kind of like my best events lately. 1265 01:05:37,320 --> 01:05:40,680 So I've been like, look, if I am trying to win and I'm not 1266 01:05:40,680 --> 01:05:44,080 winning, why not try to play a deck that I think can still win 1267 01:05:44,080 --> 01:05:46,200 while also looks like a blast to play? 1268 01:05:46,400 --> 01:05:48,080 And Reiner, I'm going to be honest, it just looks really 1269 01:05:48,080 --> 01:05:50,000 fun, you know, and mandible claws. 1270 01:05:50,040 --> 01:05:51,720 You know, one of those reasons why Reiner's so good. 1271 01:05:51,720 --> 01:05:55,280 You play blood brush bellows, you swing with both claws, 2 for 1272 01:05:55,280 --> 01:05:58,480 five, go again, 2 for five, go again into whatever other bridge 1273 01:05:58,480 --> 01:05:59,640 attack you want. It's great. 1274 01:05:59,680 --> 01:06:01,040 And it always works out that way. 1275 01:06:01,720 --> 01:06:06,000 Yeah, it never doesn't work out. I saw that guy on stream that 1276 01:06:06,000 --> 01:06:08,040 was like losing a game against Florian. 1277 01:06:08,040 --> 01:06:11,360 I think his name is Eugene. Yeah. 1278 01:06:12,200 --> 01:06:17,200 And he played sand sketched plan to grab a second blood rush 1279 01:06:17,200 --> 01:06:20,760 bellows after playing one and because he didn't discard that 1280 01:06:20,760 --> 01:06:24,320 blood rush bellows immediately, he intimidated like the Florians 1281 01:06:24,320 --> 01:06:28,080 entire hand and dealt 24 damage and won the game and like to. 1282 01:06:28,080 --> 01:06:31,080 Be fair, that was a 25% chance loss like he had. 1283 01:06:31,560 --> 01:06:34,120 He had four cards in hand when he went for that blood rush. 1284 01:06:34,120 --> 01:06:37,000 And he was already down like 12 life against De Florian. 1285 01:06:37,280 --> 01:06:40,440 So, like, I like the idea of a hero that like, look, if you're 1286 01:06:40,440 --> 01:06:43,720 already losing, you have a Hail Mary that can sometimes cinch 1287 01:06:43,720 --> 01:06:46,280 the game. Sometimes Joel's shaking his 1288 01:06:46,280 --> 01:06:48,280 head because I think Joel doesn't have the mental to 1289 01:06:48,280 --> 01:06:51,320 handle playing a chaotic hero like that look. 1290 01:06:51,440 --> 01:06:57,440 It is what? Good. 1291 01:06:57,440 --> 01:06:59,200 Did you? I don't have shit. 1292 01:06:59,200 --> 01:07:03,720 To say it's, it's the it's the meme of the fucking bell curve. 1293 01:07:03,760 --> 01:07:07,560 And it's like the stupid side is like always rule your scab 1294 01:07:07,560 --> 01:07:09,360 skins. And then the middle is like 1295 01:07:09,360 --> 01:07:12,320 never roll scab skins ever. And then the truly enlightened 1296 01:07:12,320 --> 01:07:16,920 are like always roll scab. It's like there are definitely 1297 01:07:17,080 --> 01:07:21,480 very intelligent times to go for that play and Eugene is a master 1298 01:07:21,480 --> 01:07:23,560 at finding them. I give a ton of credit to him in 1299 01:07:23,560 --> 01:07:27,200 that blood rush play, but also I feel like it's batted I used to 1300 01:07:27,200 --> 01:07:30,080 give to every new brute player cuz every new brute player will 1301 01:07:30,080 --> 01:07:33,840 be like, well I have tempo and four cards in hand, I guess I'll 1302 01:07:33,840 --> 01:07:35,880 roll scabskins. It's like, no, don't do it. 1303 01:07:37,920 --> 01:07:43,280 Cuz it's always the one in 36 brute that's on fucking stream 1304 01:07:43,280 --> 01:07:45,920 that embarrasses every other season to brute player. 1305 01:07:46,120 --> 01:07:49,120 It's like I'm a new player. I'll I'll get into Bruin. 1306 01:07:49,120 --> 01:07:50,560 I'll just. Roll scabs and no, no, no Joel. 1307 01:07:50,560 --> 01:07:53,080 He sat there and thought about it for a while before he began 1308 01:07:53,080 --> 01:07:56,040 to play. Gene found the exact moment to 1309 01:07:56,040 --> 01:07:57,880 take that risk. It was. 1310 01:07:57,880 --> 01:08:00,760 Good. So maybe I'll just come back in 1311 01:08:00,760 --> 01:08:03,600 a month and be like, I think I want to play this other hero. 1312 01:08:05,000 --> 01:08:07,800 And I'll be waiting. Literally, literally next week, 1313 01:08:07,800 --> 01:08:11,960 yeah. Honestly, that's funny. 1314 01:08:12,200 --> 01:08:15,640 So I brought a copy of Mandible Claw to sign and give to each of 1315 01:08:15,640 --> 01:08:18,560 you today. Nice fuzzy, you can't wait to 1316 01:08:18,560 --> 01:08:21,960 run that, honest to God. One for you and one for you. 1317 01:08:22,200 --> 01:08:24,720 Thank you, Fuzzy. So what do you got? 1318 01:08:24,880 --> 01:08:29,080 So my card is Skyward Serenade which is a yellow tube block 1319 01:08:29,080 --> 01:08:32,960 lightning rubled action that costs zero and says choose to 1320 01:08:32,960 --> 01:08:34,960 create an embodiment of lightning token. 1321 01:08:34,960 --> 01:08:38,439 Search your deck for a physics banish it then shuffle and you 1322 01:08:38,439 --> 01:08:41,160 may play it this turn. Your next attack gets plus one 1323 01:08:41,319 --> 01:08:44,240 and it has go again. And this card is good for a lot 1324 01:08:44,240 --> 01:08:46,040 of reasons. If you've listened to the 1325 01:08:46,040 --> 01:08:48,760 podcast or been in a discord, you know that Clark is a staunch 1326 01:08:48,760 --> 01:08:51,800 hater of Arc Lightning. And I wasn't so convinced. 1327 01:08:51,800 --> 01:08:53,399 I thought Arc lightning was pretty mid. 1328 01:08:53,520 --> 01:08:57,240 It has like good ceiling potential but overall wasn't 1329 01:08:57,240 --> 01:09:00,600 that great of a card. And when Skyward Serenade got 1330 01:09:00,720 --> 01:09:06,080 printed it sort of just broke that card beyond recognition. 1331 01:09:06,279 --> 01:09:10,319 It's so easy to arc lightning and then play Skyward serenade 1332 01:09:10,319 --> 01:09:13,160 didn't get like easily like 5 arcane damage from that one 1333 01:09:13,160 --> 01:09:16,560 card. It grabs you a 0 for four and 1334 01:09:16,560 --> 01:09:19,399 turns on every one of your like synergistic pieces. 1335 01:09:19,840 --> 01:09:23,000 I mean it's not surprising because LSS has done this before 1336 01:09:23,000 --> 01:09:26,399 where they take an already winning aggro deck, gives them 1337 01:09:26,399 --> 01:09:30,319 an Armory deck with really good piece of kale and it doesn't 1338 01:09:30,319 --> 01:09:32,760 really make sense as an Armory deck. 1339 01:09:32,760 --> 01:09:36,680 It doesn't really make sense as like a meta fixing move or 1340 01:09:36,680 --> 01:09:39,640 whatever because Aurora is already going to be the next 1341 01:09:39,640 --> 01:09:42,920 best room blade and they sort of just like turn it up to 11 and 1342 01:09:42,920 --> 01:09:45,120 now she's on her way to LL within the year. 1343 01:09:45,200 --> 01:09:48,240 Yeah. And it's just a little puzzling 1344 01:09:48,240 --> 01:09:50,399 to me. I have some more choice words, 1345 01:09:50,399 --> 01:09:52,319 but I'm not going to say that on the podcast. 1346 01:09:52,319 --> 01:09:55,480 So I just wanted to shout it out and let you guys voice your 1347 01:09:55,480 --> 01:09:57,400 grievances. I really feel like Aurora right 1348 01:09:57,400 --> 01:10:00,440 now is in a similar place to where Lexi was a couple a year 1349 01:10:00,440 --> 01:10:03,080 back or so. Like Lexi was just kind of like 1350 01:10:03,680 --> 01:10:06,680 the top tier aggro deck and everyone had to deal with Lexi 1351 01:10:06,680 --> 01:10:10,400 and even the decks that kind of had game into Lexi, like she was 1352 01:10:10,400 --> 01:10:12,360 just so good of an aggro deck that you there's only so much 1353 01:10:12,360 --> 01:10:14,520 you could do, you know? Yeah, at least like, I don't 1354 01:10:14,520 --> 01:10:16,320 know, was Dromite beating Lexi back then? 1355 01:10:16,320 --> 01:10:18,480 Like you had like bullshit allies to deal with that could 1356 01:10:18,480 --> 01:10:20,840 kind of sort aggro. Yeah, kind of sort of like, not 1357 01:10:20,840 --> 01:10:23,360 in a way that would like stop Lexi from doing her thing 1358 01:10:23,360 --> 01:10:26,320 because she's still Endless Arrow, Art of War, Brain razors, 1359 01:10:26,320 --> 01:10:30,840 Like, like Lexi was still really strong and the best aggro deck, 1360 01:10:31,120 --> 01:10:33,400 but Dromite would still just like, win sometimes because 1361 01:10:33,400 --> 01:10:36,600 like, Illusionist, Yeah. Like Aurora right now is just 1362 01:10:36,760 --> 01:10:40,480 very dominant, very dominant. And I think she's, she's at the 1363 01:10:40,480 --> 01:10:42,880 point where I think she could use some bands. 1364 01:10:42,880 --> 01:10:46,200 But I could also see LSS being like, Nope, not quite there. 1365 01:10:46,320 --> 01:10:49,720 We want to be really sure. I mean, one thing that LSS has 1366 01:10:49,720 --> 01:10:52,760 said about their strong heroes is that they want all heroes to 1367 01:10:52,760 --> 01:10:58,200 last at least one year. So the Miss Veil heroes say it 1368 01:10:58,200 --> 01:11:02,560 looks like some of them may not make a full year, but Aurora I 1369 01:11:02,560 --> 01:11:05,960 think would make a full year. It really depends on how many 1370 01:11:05,960 --> 01:11:09,800 points she gets this PK season. I think this scenario is a 1371 01:11:09,800 --> 01:11:12,440 little bit more frustrating for me because it's literally just a 1372 01:11:12,440 --> 01:11:16,240 0 for four deck. And it seems to me that even 1373 01:11:16,240 --> 01:11:19,160 though Lightning I think in general was a success in terms 1374 01:11:19,160 --> 01:11:22,200 of redesigning the identity so that it's away from like the 1375 01:11:22,680 --> 01:11:27,240 like blink in twine lightning bullshit that we had in Tales of 1376 01:11:27,240 --> 01:11:31,800 Arya, but now it's sort of being like flattened again because of 1377 01:11:31,920 --> 01:11:33,800 it. It's just easier to make the 1378 01:11:33,800 --> 01:11:37,080 most refined lightning deck and just do every zero for four that 1379 01:11:37,080 --> 01:11:39,760 you can shove in there. And I don't know, to me it just 1380 01:11:39,760 --> 01:11:43,080 seems like a a flavor loss, but still very strong card. 1381 01:11:43,360 --> 01:11:47,400 I'm glad that the LL ING of Viscera has made it so that 1382 01:11:47,400 --> 01:11:50,120 other Aggra decks can sort of compete and find their own ways 1383 01:11:50,120 --> 01:11:54,040 in the competitive meta. I'm just a little annoyed that 1384 01:11:54,040 --> 01:11:56,960 it happened to be with another aggressive hero that got an 1385 01:11:56,960 --> 01:12:00,520 Armory deck. Anyways, that's my card, yeah. 1386 01:12:00,560 --> 01:12:04,880 Glad we could end on an upper. Thank you so much for podcasting 1387 01:12:04,880 --> 01:12:07,840 with me, boys. Yeah, and if you have an Arsenal 1388 01:12:07,840 --> 01:12:10,760 card that you think we should have talked about, feel free to 1389 01:12:10,840 --> 01:12:13,760 join our Patreon and let us know in the Arsenal Zones suggestion 1390 01:12:13,760 --> 01:12:16,240 channel. We roll randomly every single 1391 01:12:16,240 --> 01:12:18,000 episode, so eventually you'll get picked. 1392 01:12:18,640 --> 01:12:21,680 And remember, as High Seas continues to get more spoilers, 1393 01:12:21,680 --> 01:12:23,520 our Discord is the only place where you can see them. 1394 01:12:23,720 --> 01:12:27,560 So feel free to join our discord and I think we'll see you next 1395 01:12:27,560 --> 01:12:28,520 time. Yeah, make sure you're getting 1396 01:12:28,520 --> 01:12:30,120 your vitamin C. Scurvy's out. 1397 01:12:30,200 --> 01:12:31,600 Scurvy's real out there, so. True. 1398 01:12:31,600 --> 01:12:34,440 I really hope Captain Hornswoggle is getting plenty of 1399 01:12:34,440 --> 01:12:36,000 vitamin C while he's on the high seas. 1400 01:12:37,000 --> 01:12:38,880 Yeah. He's got to live long enough for 1401 01:12:38,880 --> 01:12:41,800 us to see him at our pitch and prediction or set release 1402 01:12:41,800 --> 01:12:42,960 episode. 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