1 00:00:09,640 --> 00:00:13,440 Welcome to Pichitumi Podcast, a show about the subjective past, 2 00:00:13,520 --> 00:00:16,040 present and potential future of flesh and blood design. 3 00:00:16,200 --> 00:00:19,160 Today's episode will be about equipment in flesh and blood. 4 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:22,120 You can find us across all socials such as Blue Sky and 5 00:00:22,120 --> 00:00:23,080 Instagram. At. 6 00:00:23,320 --> 00:00:29,760 Pichitumi Podcast. I'm Joel. 7 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:31,560 I'm Fart. And I'm fuzzy. 8 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:34,400 Welcome to Pitch It to Be podcast. 9 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:39,960 Everybody that was damage. Welcome to Pitch It to Me 10 00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:43,240 podcast. Today we're going to be talking 11 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:46,400 all about equipment and we're starting from the basics. 12 00:00:46,560 --> 00:00:49,800 We're trying to emphasize the block value of equipment in this 13 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:52,680 episode, and we're going to do another episode later. 14 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:53,800 Can we tell them? Is it a? 15 00:00:53,800 --> 00:00:55,440 Spoiler. It's not a spoiler. 16 00:00:55,680 --> 00:00:57,440 We're going to be talking about like everything else. 17 00:00:57,440 --> 00:01:01,080 So if you're like, because so much of equipment is the effects 18 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:03,680 of the equipment, not just blocking with it. 19 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:07,280 The reason why we're drawing this out is 1. 20 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:10,200 We were kind of burning through our basics topics a little too 21 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:14,440 quickly. But also, and probably more 22 00:01:14,440 --> 00:01:17,680 seriously, it's simply that there's a ton to talk about. 23 00:01:17,680 --> 00:01:22,400 And we realized that if we just did one episode about equipment, 24 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:26,800 it would probably be not like we'd leave it too many things 25 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:29,000 out or we wouldn't spend enough time talking about them. 26 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:31,560 It would also be two hours. It would also be like 2 hours 27 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:32,360 still. Yeah, Yeah. 28 00:01:32,360 --> 00:01:35,160 Clark almost made it sound like we are running out of things to 29 00:01:35,160 --> 00:01:37,000 talk about. I assure you that it's not the 30 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:39,400 case. We could yap for a long time, 31 00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:41,520 which is why we're splitting this episode into a couple 32 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:42,240 parts. Yeah. 33 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:46,320 Oh yeah. We're like at least diamond 34 00:01:46,320 --> 00:01:48,760 range yappers. We're up there, you know. 35 00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:54,800 I think I realized how much I love equipment and blocking with 36 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:56,840 equipment with scowling flush bag. 37 00:01:57,840 --> 00:02:00,160 I was like the. First card that I was really 38 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:05,600 like blocking with it felt good. Yeah. 39 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:08,600 We're recording this right before High Seas pre release and 40 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:11,440 you're probably hearing it after Nash US Nationals. 41 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:14,720 Well, wasn't it so crazy that that one person won on that one 42 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:16,680 deck? And they beat that one person on 43 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:18,240 that other deck. Do you guys want to? 44 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:20,440 I know. It was either very good or 45 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:23,560 extremely underwhelming and bad for the game of flesh and blood. 46 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:25,640 I know I was either really surprised or really 47 00:02:25,640 --> 00:02:28,280 underwhelmed. Yeah, this is either the best 48 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:30,640 thing that's ever happened to flesh and blood, or the absolute 49 00:02:30,640 --> 00:02:32,040 worst thing that has ever. Happened to flesh. 50 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:33,440 So true. Do you guys want to make 51 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:35,000 predictions for what heroes going to win US? 52 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:37,640 Oh my God. And then everyone could just 53 00:02:37,640 --> 00:02:39,640 laugh at us. Like exactly it didn't happen. 54 00:02:39,640 --> 00:02:41,360 It's a tradition here on the show. 55 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:45,720 I think Kano's gonna win that. Wow, that seems really unlikely. 56 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:49,440 That's big. All right, shoot your shot. 57 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:51,240 New. New. 58 00:02:51,600 --> 00:02:55,520 Sure, we got a couple new blue focused heroes that people might 59 00:02:55,520 --> 00:02:57,920 be excited about. Nu probably shits all over them, 60 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:00,360 you know. It's it's like will she run into 61 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:03,720 random gravy bones slash will people be able to build gravy 62 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:06,400 bones in time? I think Prism's gonna be running 63 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:08,720 around rampant, so I don't know if NU makes it. 64 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:10,840 I don't. Know I feel like attack powers 65 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:15,640 are going up. A little bit and then there was 66 00:03:15,640 --> 00:03:18,240 1. Like who are the attack powers 67 00:03:18,240 --> 00:03:20,480 really going up? I don't I think Prism might 68 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:22,920 still have a lot of the same. I mean, she was she was winning 69 00:03:23,640 --> 00:03:25,600 meta sniping Aurora and Aurora's gone. 70 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:27,400 So maybe she gets a lot worse. Yeah. 71 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:33,840 So for today's episode. Give the people what they want. 72 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:35,880 Florian, I know it's really boring. 73 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:38,040 I think all the people who are on Florian are going to convert 74 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:40,080 to mid range and I think he's still a pretty good deck I 75 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:42,800 think. Two of us gave boring answers 76 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:45,880 and Joel gave. I was like the interesting 77 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:47,640 answer that is. Definitely. 78 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:49,760 Is Joel the Kookie one of the partners? 79 00:03:54,760 --> 00:03:57,720 He's so serious sounding a lot of the time, but then with his 80 00:03:57,720 --> 00:04:00,600 very straight face he says things like Kano is gonna win US 81 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:03,040 Nats. Or I think Bolton is playable 82 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:04,680 this season. Yeah, that's. 83 00:04:05,320 --> 00:04:07,680 That's pretty out there. Or, you know, on the Discord 84 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:10,760 today where he goes. Clark, what's your most recent 85 00:04:10,760 --> 00:04:14,240 hexagon? I'm like, shut it up. 86 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:17,519 You're not gonna play hexagon information. 87 00:04:17,519 --> 00:04:23,720 Dude, this is Hector National. If you're like, if you play 88 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:28,560 Hexagor Levaya at A tournament and then any moment of time 89 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:31,440 after dropping out of that tournament, you decide that you 90 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:35,560 still want to play that deck, I will personally give you $100. 91 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:41,880 I'll need it for my therapy. I'll do it. 92 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:44,760 I live. I live right underneath. 93 00:04:44,760 --> 00:04:45,520 You. I know. 94 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:49,080 I have so much unlimited access to Clark now it's crazy. 95 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:52,280 All right, so let's go on to the episode. 96 00:04:52,280 --> 00:04:54,560 Sorry for a little derailing there, my fellow hosts. 97 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:56,640 Yeah, I apologize. And to make up for it, I'll do 98 00:04:56,640 --> 00:04:59,520 the call to action. Now, listeners, as you're 99 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:02,520 listening to this episode, make sure you get your fingers ready 100 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:05,080 and type in your answer to this question. 101 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:08,480 What is your favorite piece of equipment? 102 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:13,320 Bonus points if you tell us why. My favorite is Scowling Flesh 103 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:14,640 Bag. I think it was the first 104 00:05:14,640 --> 00:05:18,360 equipment piece that I ever like blocked with and then felt good 105 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:21,400 blocking with it where I was like, yes, this is what I want 106 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:25,280 to be doing with this card. Yeah, Grasp of the Arc Knight's 107 00:05:25,280 --> 00:05:27,960 pretty good. That's a good answer. 108 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:35,600 Yeah, good fucking answer. That's a hard one, I think. 109 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:37,240 Valiant Dynamo. That's probably a milk. 110 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:38,560 Toast dance. That's a good one. 111 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:42,760 Yeah, it just blocks, but it blocks forever. 112 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:46,040 It blocks and then it just keeps on blocking, yeah. 113 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:51,240 For Red Pitch today, Clark is going to be introducing a 114 00:05:51,320 --> 00:05:54,880 discussion on farmer creep. It's a little bit higher minded 115 00:05:54,880 --> 00:05:57,120 compared to the rest of the episode because on Yellow pitch 116 00:05:57,240 --> 00:05:59,120 I'm going to be talking about some of the more basic 117 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:01,800 strategies that you should be thinking about when you're using 118 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:03,360 equipment and blocking with equipment. 119 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:06,640 And on Blue Pitch, Joel is going to be talking about your arcane 120 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:09,160 defenses as well as how it affects the inventory. 121 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:13,040 Clark, you want to take it away? Yeah. 122 00:06:14,200 --> 00:06:19,720 To start off red pitch, I want to first make sure that we're 123 00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:24,040 all sort of established on what's like the role of 124 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:26,240 equipment in flesh and blood. Block. 125 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:36,640 Yes, but no, I mean that's all folks because I think equipment 126 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:41,240 is a very interesting piece of actual game design that a lot of 127 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:42,760 people don't talk about. I agree. 128 00:06:42,760 --> 00:06:47,840 If you look all the way back to our book burning episode where 129 00:06:47,840 --> 00:06:50,320 we go over the ban and restricted announcement back 130 00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:54,680 then where LSS sort of looked back at their very first design 131 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:58,240 principles of the game. One of the biggest ones was 132 00:06:58,240 --> 00:07:01,720 start at your strongest and get weaker throughout the game. 133 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:05,120 Which is very much counter intuitive to many of the other 134 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:08,360 TC GS on the market where you start very weak and you have to 135 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:11,120 build up resources to do your powerful things. 136 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:13,680 So. Absolutely. 137 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:17,040 Flesh and blood flips the power curve of the game on its head, 138 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:20,680 and equipment is a huge part of the reason for why that why that 139 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:24,640 happens. Very much so fuzzy, but what I 140 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:28,760 find really interesting is that yes, you start at your 141 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:31,760 strongest, but you really want to be using your equipment at 142 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:35,400 the end of the game where it's impact is at its largest. 143 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:38,800 So it's very interesting because you start at your strongest and 144 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:43,240 then it's how long can you wait until you get weaker? 145 00:07:44,440 --> 00:07:46,720 When can you sacrifice that strength? 146 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:50,120 Also, like, it's not only just like preserving your life total 147 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:53,040 when it's at its slowest, but also just getting the maximum 148 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:55,120 amount of value. And we'll talk more about like 149 00:07:55,120 --> 00:07:56,640 the block values of certain things. 150 00:07:56,640 --> 00:07:59,600 But you also just don't want to be, you know, holding on to it 151 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:02,560 too late where you can't use it as effectively, I guess. 152 00:08:02,760 --> 00:08:05,400 Yeah, you definitely want to find the moment where it 153 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:08,560 generates you the most value and has the biggest impact. 154 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:11,960 And where does that happen in the game? 155 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:15,720 Can be very different because it's not necessarily at 40 life, 156 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:17,960 right? It can sometimes happen when 157 00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:20,040 you're at one life. Sure. 158 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:24,520 And I think that's a very interesting element, and I think 159 00:08:24,520 --> 00:08:28,640 it has played into a little bit about armor creep. 160 00:08:29,360 --> 00:08:32,559 So what is the idea of armor creep? 161 00:08:33,039 --> 00:08:35,679 Some people have complained about power creep in Flesh and 162 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:37,880 Blood. Specifically, they've noted that 163 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:41,840 it feels like every single set, the new heroes are stronger than 164 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:43,640 the heroes from the set previously. 165 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:46,720 Even though I think I could point to many examples where 166 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:48,880 that wasn't the case. I don't think any of the Haunted 167 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:51,440 heroes are printing up their performances that the Miss Veil 168 00:08:51,440 --> 00:08:54,520 heroes put up, nor do I even think the Rosetta was more 169 00:08:54,520 --> 00:08:56,240 powerful than Miss Veil on average. 170 00:08:56,240 --> 00:09:00,280 Like there's definitely ebbs and flows in the power of the game. 171 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:06,720 It's not a straight shot curve up, but people have this feeling 172 00:09:06,760 --> 00:09:10,320 of the game getting more powerful and power creep 173 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:14,080 happening, but I don't necessarily think it's happening 174 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:17,480 in terms of strict numbers and the way it may happen in other 175 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:20,600 games. Fuzzy, you and I played Magic 176 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:24,000 the Gathering together while we were coming up about AI, want to 177 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:26,040 say about a decade ago. We were still playing very, very 178 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:31,880 regularly, sure, but back then, two men, I used to get you a 22 179 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:38,480 creature and you'd be happy, and nowadays they're like not 233 180 00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:40,120 twos. What have we come to? 181 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:44,280 The numbers have gone up for the same cost, right? 182 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:49,240 That's a very explicit power creep that has happened in Magic 183 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:50,920 the Gathering. Yeah, and I think it's something 184 00:09:50,920 --> 00:09:53,200 that definitely extends to all trading card games. 185 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:57,280 You know, as they print more content for the game, more game 186 00:09:57,280 --> 00:10:00,360 pieces, there's this desire for the game makers to make them 187 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:02,760 appealing to players, and players like playing strong 188 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:04,600 cards. So it's really easy for the 189 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:07,520 developers to either accidentally or intentionally 190 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:10,560 just increase the upper bounds for what's possible in the game. 191 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:13,280 And sometimes that can be fun and sometimes that can be 192 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:15,160 damaging to the long term health of the game. 193 00:10:15,560 --> 00:10:19,600 Yes. And so it's a very touchy topic. 194 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:22,880 It's a topic that everyone kind of has opinions about, and 195 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:24,800 people have been saying it's been happening in flesh and 196 00:10:24,800 --> 00:10:26,920 blood. But is it really? 197 00:10:27,080 --> 00:10:30,520 I've still noticed that aside from some Majestics which are 198 00:10:30,520 --> 00:10:34,520 specifically about breaking structured power curves of cost 199 00:10:34,520 --> 00:10:42,960 to value ratios, that it hasn't really been true except in 200 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:45,440 armor. Armor is the one place in the 201 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:49,000 game I think we have seen this explicit power creep where the 202 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:53,880 exact same cost of running one card in your deck and it goes 203 00:10:53,880 --> 00:11:00,360 into this specific slot on your hero has gone up in numbers and 204 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:04,000 in explicit power value. This is where power creep is 205 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:05,400 happening in the game of Flesh and Blood. 206 00:11:05,560 --> 00:11:07,840 It's not happening in the weapons, it's not happening in 207 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:10,760 the cards, it's happening in the equipment. 208 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:15,480 And one of the main reasons I think this is happening is 209 00:11:15,480 --> 00:11:18,480 because we are getting more Majestic and Legendary 210 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:20,840 equipment. Every single set. 211 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:23,160 They like printing a new legendary generic. 212 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:27,000 Every single Armory deck comes with four brand new Majestic 213 00:11:27,240 --> 00:11:30,640 equipment slots for that hero. And it is just leading to 214 00:11:30,640 --> 00:11:33,600 slightly more power level. And back in the day people had 215 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:37,320 to make do with these with Goliath Gauntlet or Snapdragon 216 00:11:37,320 --> 00:11:41,320 scalers. But now I have high Tanner and 217 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:43,200 beaten trackers. Sure. 218 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:46,280 Yeah, it's a shift, right? And and that means more block 219 00:11:46,280 --> 00:11:50,800 value while giving very similar power values for activating it. 220 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:54,000 Yeah, like if you think about like five years ago when the 221 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:57,080 first game was first coming out, your class had one or two 222 00:11:57,080 --> 00:12:01,120 legendaries plus tunic and or Arcanite school cap to work 223 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:03,200 with. You know, like it was very rare 224 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:05,800 for you to be able to run for legendary equipment. 225 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:09,200 But now with more generic legendary equipment and more 226 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:11,600 class equipment, like they do one every time they visit a 227 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:13,440 class. And because we've seen like 228 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:17,680 Ninja or Runeblade appear in many, many sets across history, 229 00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:20,800 you can run for legendary Runeblade equipment and often 230 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:23,680 times they are really good legendary equipment that you 231 00:12:23,680 --> 00:12:25,400 wouldn't want to run. You know, they're not just like 232 00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:29,560 weird off meta calls. So it not only like there's a 233 00:12:29,560 --> 00:12:32,040 separate conversation here about like how the game can get more 234 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:35,280 expensive over time, but also like legendary equipment are 235 00:12:35,280 --> 00:12:37,160 meant to be more powerful than common ones. 236 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:39,080 You know, they're meant to be strong. 237 00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:42,400 And it means that over time, every time your class gets 238 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:45,600 printed, you're going to have better equipment options 239 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:49,880 available to you than before. Yeah, and I've also noticed that 240 00:12:50,720 --> 00:12:56,440 they will ban common and or at least lower rarity equipment 241 00:12:56,760 --> 00:13:00,640 that can break the math of the game through synergy in a way 242 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:04,240 that they are not happy happening at that rarity level. 243 00:13:04,680 --> 00:13:07,600 Yeah, Ellis has in a matter in a way to try to respect the 244 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:11,720 consumer and their wallets. They try to avoid banning 245 00:13:11,720 --> 00:13:13,360 expensive cards. They're much more comfortable 246 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:16,680 banning common cards, which also like affects the wallet creep. 247 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:20,400 I, I have definitely complained about them banning my stubby 248 00:13:20,400 --> 00:13:23,680 hammers back when I was like a brand new little 5 player. 249 00:13:23,680 --> 00:13:25,880 And I'm like, why can't I have my stubby hammers? 250 00:13:25,880 --> 00:13:28,040 It's like because you're not playing Art of War, that's why 251 00:13:28,040 --> 00:13:31,640 you can't drink. I know you don't understand why 252 00:13:31,640 --> 00:13:34,160 this is happening, but we definitely do. 253 00:13:36,080 --> 00:13:39,360 But I kind of want to open it up to you. 2 I've sort of presented 254 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:41,600 my argument here. Do you agree? 255 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:43,080 Do you think armour creep is real? 256 00:13:43,080 --> 00:13:46,640 Do you think we're just getting more block value in equipment 257 00:13:46,640 --> 00:13:52,760 suites across the board? Oh yeah, I mean, like, like 258 00:13:52,760 --> 00:13:56,760 Fuzzy said, you know, every time we visit a new class or talent, 259 00:13:56,760 --> 00:13:59,960 they get another legendary. It's just the formula for the 260 00:13:59,960 --> 00:14:04,280 game and every time it's not going to be like the same one 261 00:14:04,280 --> 00:14:06,000 blade break. It's going to be two blade break 262 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:09,640 next time or two blade break with effect or one battle worn 263 00:14:09,640 --> 00:14:12,480 with effect that you have to make the game interesting and 264 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:15,400 you have to develop more synergy as you revisit the same 265 00:14:15,400 --> 00:14:17,240 combinations of classes and talents. 266 00:14:17,560 --> 00:14:20,400 So of course, and like you mentioned earlier, Clark, like 267 00:14:20,760 --> 00:14:24,520 it's the same slot and just objectively better effects. 268 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:25,880 Like there's. There's no way around it. 269 00:14:26,440 --> 00:14:29,600 We've even gotten to the point where you can have a full 270 00:14:29,600 --> 00:14:32,440 legendary suite just in generics. 271 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:35,440 I think that includes like band brace of determination, which is 272 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:37,560 not necessarily a good card to run. 273 00:14:38,040 --> 00:14:40,960 Stonewall gauntlet yeah Stonewall gauntlet for like a 274 00:14:40,960 --> 00:14:43,880 defensive tool. Is that 2 temper or one 275 00:14:43,880 --> 00:14:49,080 temporary one block blade break? Okay, okay, but you can run 276 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:53,280 quick dodge flexors and tunic and crown of Providence or 277 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:55,320 Arcanite school cap was there for a longest time. 278 00:14:55,320 --> 00:14:59,280 Or Balance of Justice, which everyone was going to be getting 279 00:14:59,680 --> 00:15:02,760 a whole lot better as we get more of these draw heroes. 280 00:15:02,760 --> 00:15:04,200 Yeah. Sucks to be you if you didn't 281 00:15:04,200 --> 00:15:06,600 buy it already. And those are the base universal 282 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:08,160 options, you know? Yeah. 283 00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:13,080 Definitely. Of course, there is something to 284 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:16,600 be said here about classes and talents, right? 285 00:15:16,800 --> 00:15:21,120 Some classes and some talents are not intended to have good 286 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:25,400 block values, or intended to have good blocking ability. 287 00:15:25,760 --> 00:15:28,600 Rangers, for example, are a very good example of this. 288 00:15:29,080 --> 00:15:33,360 Assassins are a fairly decent example of this, where if they 289 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:36,960 want those better block values, they have to lean on generic 290 00:15:36,960 --> 00:15:40,400 equipment. Do we think that that is healthy 291 00:15:40,400 --> 00:15:43,320 for the game? That some classes are given 292 00:15:43,920 --> 00:15:46,080 better block values than other classes. 293 00:15:46,960 --> 00:15:49,000 Yeah, I think it's good for classes to have strengths and 294 00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:50,840 weaknesses. That's part of what makes 295 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:54,000 classes feel unique, you know, gives them their class identity. 296 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:56,760 And that's something that we know LSS values since they put 297 00:15:56,760 --> 00:16:00,760 it into their stated design goals or design principles. 298 00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:03,720 It also helps show us which classes are meant to be more 299 00:16:03,720 --> 00:16:06,480 aggressive or defensive. So when Guardian just can't be 300 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:09,880 able to block 12, you're like, maybe I can just block, keep 301 00:16:09,880 --> 00:16:11,720 blocking with my cards and they'll never touch me. 302 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:12,720 And you're like, yeah, you're getting it. 303 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:15,560 Like that's how Guardian works. Or Ninja is like, I can't block 304 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:19,400 with my equipment, so I guess I'll just not block and throw 305 00:16:19,560 --> 00:16:22,960 all of my aggressive equipment at you and my whole hand and 306 00:16:22,960 --> 00:16:24,560 you're like, yeah, that's how Ninja works. 307 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:27,920 So it helps kind of guide the players sometimes towards what 308 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:29,840 the intended identity of the class is. 309 00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:32,880 It also helps establish classes identity in the meta. 310 00:16:33,080 --> 00:16:36,640 So when it's really important for a class to be able to have 311 00:16:36,640 --> 00:16:39,840 lots of armor block to stop on hits, to put up those defenses, 312 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:44,040 it gives Guardian a reason to be strong, you know, And there 313 00:16:44,040 --> 00:16:47,760 might be a fear with this armor creep where as more legendaries 314 00:16:47,760 --> 00:16:50,080 get printed as better block values just kind of work their 315 00:16:50,080 --> 00:16:54,680 way into the carpool that those classes like Guardian, I put 316 00:16:54,680 --> 00:16:57,480 Warrior in this boat as well, are going to have less of an 317 00:16:57,480 --> 00:17:00,960 identity, less of a place in the meta in order to be able to 318 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:03,600 respond to certain threats. If you can play any hero into 319 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:06,800 these threats then it gives Warrior and Guardian a little 320 00:17:06,800 --> 00:17:11,560 bit less stake in the meta. Sure, but at the exact same time 321 00:17:11,560 --> 00:17:16,000 this armor creep has started to erode at guardian and warriors 322 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:18,440 identity as having the best blocking equipment. 323 00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:21,920 I think this is probably most apparent with Rune Blade, where 324 00:17:22,319 --> 00:17:25,920 as they've gotten more and more blocking equipment though, that 325 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:29,280 blocking equipment has gotten bigger block numbers on it 326 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:33,360 rather than different synergistic effects. 327 00:17:33,360 --> 00:17:36,280 Right? Dyadic Carapus and Face 328 00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:40,600 Purgatory are two cards that just sort of gave a strict block 329 00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:45,760 value upgrade to what a lot of them were running beforehand and 330 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:49,840 did not demand them to start running different synergies than 331 00:17:49,840 --> 00:17:51,640 what they were already doing. It didn't change their deck 332 00:17:51,640 --> 00:17:55,120 building at all, it did just feel like a strict upgrade over 333 00:17:55,120 --> 00:17:59,480 what they already had. Similarly, I kind of want to 334 00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:04,200 talk about Talented Equipment, which is different than class 335 00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:08,560 equipment, right? But in a way that I'm not quite 336 00:18:08,560 --> 00:18:11,760 sure if I know how to vocalize. Can I try? 337 00:18:11,960 --> 00:18:15,640 Yeah. I think talents and their 338 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:18,880 equipment serve as like the glue for a lot of their synergy 339 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:22,760 pieces. Like if you think about Vestige 340 00:18:22,760 --> 00:18:26,880 of Soul, it's a light like generic light equipment and it 341 00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:30,960 says one blade break, which is pretty whatever whenever you put 342 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:33,560 a card into Soul. And then afterwards, if you were 343 00:18:33,560 --> 00:18:36,520 to pitch a light card, you get that much plus one resource. 344 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:41,480 And that is explicitly an upgrade in effect as compared to 345 00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:45,200 like, I don't know, like Scandal Spring Tunic, let's say, maybe 346 00:18:45,200 --> 00:18:49,280 not one to one upgrade, but you would look to that equipment as 347 00:18:49,280 --> 00:18:52,440 like an an upgrade to the generic option you have or 348 00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:56,640 whatever generic warrior or generic illusionist equipment 349 00:18:56,640 --> 00:19:00,160 you might have in that slot. And so I think, at least the way 350 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:03,720 it should be, is that talented equipment shouldn't get like 351 00:19:04,040 --> 00:19:09,120 direct defense upgrades, because then it would always be the case 352 00:19:09,120 --> 00:19:12,800 that the talented version of Heroes would just be objectively 353 00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:14,360 better with their better equipment suites. 354 00:19:14,520 --> 00:19:19,120 Yeah, unless that blocking value is distinct and different. 355 00:19:19,120 --> 00:19:22,600 I'm thinking Flame Scale Furnace for Draconic, where a lot of our 356 00:19:22,600 --> 00:19:28,920 Draconic heroes, sans Feng, but Ninja and Illusionist back when 357 00:19:28,920 --> 00:19:32,000 Flame Scale Furnace was printed, are not known for having good 358 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:35,800 block values on their equipment. And so it was a way of giving 359 00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:39,560 that block value and then while they're sacrificing a chess 360 00:19:39,560 --> 00:19:42,760 piece, but not if they play into the synergy of pitching their 361 00:19:42,760 --> 00:19:46,480 Reds, right. So I think what you just said 362 00:19:46,480 --> 00:19:51,200 has helped me sort of categorize it in my mind, general, sorry, 363 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:55,560 generic equipment is always going to be best in the widest 364 00:19:55,560 --> 00:19:59,440 range of possible circumstances. Class equipment then get a 365 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:02,760 little bit more narrow. They are going to be good when 366 00:20:02,760 --> 00:20:06,680 you are interacting with cards in your class or with specific 367 00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:08,920 strategies that your class are trying to do. 368 00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:14,640 And then talents get even more narrow from there where you, I 369 00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:17,840 mean, I guess it's, you know, sort of the same thing with 370 00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:19,600 class, but about talents instead. 371 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:23,760 But at the exact same time I think it is an interesting trade 372 00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:27,640 off in a way of trying to put an equipment into a zone that maybe 373 00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:29,480 isn't covered by the class cards. 374 00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:32,120 And maybe this is another one of those things that leads to 375 00:20:32,120 --> 00:20:37,000 talented heroes being stronger than class only heroes because 376 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:41,440 they get access to two sets of possible synergistic legendary 377 00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:45,840 and majestic equipment while non talented heroes don't get that. 378 00:20:46,120 --> 00:20:49,640 Again, it's sort of because everyone starts with the exact 379 00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:55,160 same baseline of equipment. You have 4 equipment slots, 380 00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:58,800 maybe you get an off hand if your build allows for it and a 381 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:01,280 weapon. Your head, shoulders, knees and 382 00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:02,240 toes. Your head. 383 00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:04,840 Shoulders, knees and toes and hands. 384 00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:10,680 And the more value you can Chuck into those 5 or 6 slots, the 385 00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:14,160 more powerful your hero will because you are starting at a 386 00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:17,080 stronger point than everybody else. 387 00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:23,960 So how has armour creep sort of influenced the game? 388 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:27,480 Well one we've talked a little bit about talented heroes being 389 00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:31,760 explicitly more powerful than their non talented versions, but 390 00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:34,360 I think it also has to do with the fall of Guardian. 391 00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:39,160 Crush. Dominate and Overpower are all 392 00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:43,520 effects that require you to hit with a card and specifically 393 00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:45,920 deal a good amount of damage with your card too right? 394 00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:49,240 Or punish them for not being able to block very efficiently. 395 00:21:50,120 --> 00:21:52,920 So before they used to have to play around this by arsenaling D 396 00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:57,400 reacts. But now if everyone just has 397 00:21:57,400 --> 00:22:02,080 more block value, they have more chances of stopping those on 398 00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:07,760 hits, stopping the leaked damage from the dominate, stopping the 399 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:11,680 overpower leak damage, right? And so it just stuffs their game 400 00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:15,800 plan specifically because there are more numbers in the bottom 401 00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:20,320 right in these five slots. Totally. 402 00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:25,480 It kind of extends to on hits in general that like on hits of the 403 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:28,080 game are generally not as powerful now. 404 00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:30,400 But I don't think it's something that's like talked about much 405 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:32,360 because it is a little bit kind of minor. 406 00:22:32,360 --> 00:22:35,400 Like you kind of just assume with on hits that your first 407 00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:37,360 couple are going to go to equipment and it's been like 408 00:22:37,360 --> 00:22:39,240 that for a long time. You know that hasn't really 409 00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:42,360 changed. No, it definitely hasn't, but I 410 00:22:42,360 --> 00:22:46,760 will say that the decks that have to rely on on hits have to 411 00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:51,520 be able to put a meaningful on hit on the field every single 412 00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:54,480 turn, right? Assassins do a really, really 413 00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:58,560 good job of this. Guardians are supposed to do a 414 00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:02,040 good job of this, and Aurora did a really good job of this. 415 00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:05,440 Well, Aurora with cards like. CLV and burn up shock. 416 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:07,200 Yeah. Like it's the entire turn. 417 00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:10,720 You know, you can't just block out the first first break point, 418 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:12,880 second break point, and then like call it like you kind of 419 00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:16,560 have to be covering every single break point for the whole turn 420 00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:17,680 if you want to do it effectively. 421 00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:19,880 And that can be really hard even with a lot of equipment block. 422 00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:24,200 More to that point to the issue with Guardian is that crush is a 423 00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:27,800 threshold of damage and then most other on hits are any 424 00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:32,720 damage that gets through. Before I think that was balanced 425 00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:35,680 by the crushes being a little bit more powerful than most of 426 00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:39,200 the on hits at the time and also the fact that they are bigger 427 00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:41,880 attacks so they demanded more cards from the opponent to 428 00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:47,280 block, especially when cards maybe didn't block as much. 429 00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:52,400 So both with D react creep and now with armor creep I think it 430 00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:57,080 has really started to stuff. That class in particular, do you 431 00:23:57,080 --> 00:24:00,000 guys think that that is something that they're going to 432 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:01,880 address in the Guardian Mastery Pack? 433 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:06,960 I sure hope so. I know we have a lot of resident 434 00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:09,920 Guardian players that continue to play Guardian even though 435 00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:13,040 they haven't had significant support in a while. 436 00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:17,160 And and like we've just been talking about, a lot of other 437 00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:21,440 classes have gotten much stronger on hits, much more 438 00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:25,440 buffs in their kit to sort of deal with this abundance of 439 00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:26,880 armor. I think it's about time for 440 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:29,080 Guardian to get that love as well, yeah. 441 00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:31,280 Maybe some more anti equipment cards? 442 00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:33,520 I know we got a little bit with Yarl right? 443 00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:36,800 Consistently giving equipment -1 counters or destroying them. 444 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:40,800 I wonder if they will expand that to be a wider guardian 445 00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:44,240 identity. All right, that's all I have for 446 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:47,040 red pitch. I hope to read some opinions 447 00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:48,840 about armor creep. This isn't something I hear a 448 00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:51,480 lot of people talking about in the flesh and blood space, so 449 00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:55,560 I'm interested to see if people feel like what I'm saying is 450 00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:58,280 resonating with them, or if they think I may be off base. 451 00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:01,040 Or maybe it's an idea that just needs a little bit of a tweak. 452 00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:04,640 Let me know in the comments or jump into our discord to let me 453 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:08,880 know, but in the meantime I'm going to pass it off to Fuzzy in 454 00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:12,080 yellow pitch. Yeah, for Yellow pitch, I want 455 00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:15,520 to talk about how to get value out of your equipment, how to 456 00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:18,040 use your equipment effectively. And again, we're starting from 457 00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:21,440 the basics here. If you're a newer player, this 458 00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:24,760 might be a really good way to make sure that you're viewing 459 00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:28,120 your plays critically and strategically. 460 00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:30,160 And if you're an experienced player, it's always nice to go 461 00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:33,240 back to basics and think about how do I know if my the plays 462 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:35,440 I'm making are correct? Do I have any bad habits that 463 00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:38,960 may have built over time? And I don't claim to be that 464 00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:40,800 great of a player. I think I'm OK. 465 00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:42,400 I think I'm OK at thinking critically. 466 00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:45,560 And maybe Clark and Joel can pipe in if they disagree with 467 00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:47,440 anything that I'm saying or they want to add to it. 468 00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:52,400 Oh, count on it. So us having opinions we could 469 00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:55,800 never. So let's start with a couple 470 00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:57,640 different keywords for block types. 471 00:25:57,640 --> 00:25:59,920 We've been using these already in red pitch, but let's get a 472 00:25:59,920 --> 00:26:03,160 quick refresher. Blade break means I block with 473 00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:07,400 this equipment once, and when I do that thing will be destroyed 474 00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:10,000 at the end of the combat chain. If it's blade break one, I'm 475 00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:11,440 going to be able to block for one. 476 00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:15,880 And usually if I'm doing that, I'm not getting an effect from 477 00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:18,920 the equipment like over time, like we see this a lot in like 478 00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:21,000 common equipment high these has a couple of these. 479 00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:24,040 I either block for one or I get to use the effect. 480 00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:26,880 There are some exceptions like traverse the universe. 481 00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:29,800 You know it has blade break because when it defends it gets 482 00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:30,840 the effect. So you're only supposed to do 483 00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:35,680 that once. Battle worn I block and then at 484 00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:39,160 the end of the combat chain I put a - 1 counter on it and that 485 00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:41,360 -1 counter stays. But there's nothing that 486 00:26:41,360 --> 00:26:44,320 destroys the equipment. So once I have -1 counters equal 487 00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:46,800 to my block value, I'm no longer going to be able to profitably 488 00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:49,240 block without equipment. You still legally can. 489 00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:51,960 You can block with it as much as you want and it'll keep racking 490 00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:55,560 up counters. But temper is a lot like battle 491 00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:58,080 worn, but once it hits zero it will destroy itself. 492 00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:01,760 If you block with a temper 2, it'll block for two. 493 00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:04,280 Then you get a - 1 counter. Then if you block with it again, 494 00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:07,320 it'll block for one, then get another -1 counter. 495 00:27:07,360 --> 00:27:10,520 Now that it's at 0 block, it will be destroyed, so it will 496 00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:12,360 leave the field. You won't get the equipment. 497 00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:16,040 So when LSS decides the difference between temper 2 and 498 00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:19,200 Battle Worn 2, both of these block effectively for two and 499 00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:22,720 one three effective block value over the course of the game, but 500 00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:25,920 Battle Worn can give me repeat value continuously after that. 501 00:27:26,120 --> 00:27:28,920 Crash of the Ark Knight can block for three, but I can still 502 00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:30,480 make room chance with it over time. 503 00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:33,520 And this is their way of saying, like with this card, you can 504 00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:37,080 think a little bit less about how you're blocking with it, 505 00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:41,080 because the downside to blocking with it is only the loss of the 506 00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:43,880 ability to block with it later. It doesn't affect the actual 507 00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:46,680 ability of the equipment. Yeah, you're encouraged to block 508 00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:49,080 with it. Sooner you could, yeah. 509 00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:53,280 Whereas with Courage of Blade Hold, it's a card that I want to 510 00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:57,560 destroy it in order to give my weapons -1 resource cost when it 511 00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:01,520 comes with temper 2, so I can block for two pretty freely. 512 00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:05,080 Then it has a -, 1 counter. But after that point I can make 513 00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:08,240 the decision will I be cracking courage to get the effect of 514 00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:11,520 courage or will I be blocking an additional time to get one block 515 00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:15,480 value, but then probably not activating the ability at all 516 00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:17,760 that game, only getting the three block value. 517 00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:20,600 It provides like a branch in the ways that you can get value out 518 00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:21,760 of that equipment. Yeah. 519 00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:24,760 And this is very different from Blade Break, where you're either 520 00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:27,360 encouraged to block with it exactly when you need that 521 00:28:27,360 --> 00:28:32,080 effect, like which reverse, or as an absolute last ditch effort 522 00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:34,440 like in Skull Bone Cross Rap for Rangers. 523 00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:37,720 Or New Horizon, another blade break headpiece. 524 00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:41,160 Also for Rangers. With New Horizon, when you block 525 00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:43,920 with it has the downside of destroying all the cards in your 526 00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:46,880 arsenal, so you really only want to block for two with it at the 527 00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:48,880 end of the game when you would lose otherwise. 528 00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:51,080 Because once you're getting to that point where you're blocking 529 00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:53,000 with New Horizon, you've probably already lost. 530 00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:56,160 I guess one other cool example is like massive momentum. 531 00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:59,040 Massive momentum just gives you continuous value. 532 00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:02,160 If you can proc it enough to drop cards off of it, it doesn't 533 00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:04,960 destroy itself. But at a certain point, once 534 00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:08,480 they're low enough life, you actually physically cannot proc 535 00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:10,760 it anymore because you have to deal damage three times in the 536 00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:12,560 same turn. So when they have three or less 537 00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:15,360 life, that on hit is no longer relevant and you can block 538 00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:17,200 freely with that. Play brake equipment. 539 00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:22,600 So we've already talked a little bit about like some cards want 540 00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:24,720 you to block in some ways. Was it you've missed 1 keyboard? 541 00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:26,680 Oh no. Oh yeah, Guardwell, the new one. 542 00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:31,320 The new one. Guardwell is a new keyword where 543 00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:36,680 you can however much it is blocking for, it gets that many 544 00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:39,400 -1 counters. If it's Guardwell 2, then it'll 545 00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:42,680 block for two and then go to like 0 effective block for the 546 00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:45,320 rest of the game, but it'll still stay on the field. 547 00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:47,840 It's kind of like a weird cross between the two. 548 00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:50,720 It's a halfway point between like a Temper 2 or battle worn 549 00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:54,080 2, which is effectively 3 block, and a blade break, which is just 550 00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:55,600 blocking once and then destroying itself. 551 00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:58,440 Balance of Justice was the first guard will equipment. 552 00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:00,520 It blocks for two, doesn't go away. 553 00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:03,640 You still have the opportunity to cash it in whenever you feel 554 00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:05,360 is appropriate after you've blocked for two. 555 00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:08,240 And I think like Balance of Justice is one of those cards 556 00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:10,160 that really wants you to block early. 557 00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:13,280 That way, as soon as you see the time to crack it, to draw that 558 00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:16,040 card off balance of Justice, you've already gotten your your 559 00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:19,000 block value out of it before you block with it. 560 00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:22,200 It is like value waiting. It's almost like a a series of 561 00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:24,520 events that you want to happen to maximize your value, right? 562 00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:27,680 I want to block as much as possible before I crack bounce 563 00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:30,760 of justice. What I really like about 564 00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:34,160 Guardwell in the designs that we're seeing lately, such as the 565 00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:40,240 Shield of Valheim, testament to Valheim, it's the like Cardwell 566 00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:43,360 offhand guardian piece from the mastery pack that can 567 00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:46,840 potentially block for five value over the course of the game as 568 00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:48,480 if you get enough seismic searches. 569 00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:53,760 But the way that you get that 5 value can be like all at once. 570 00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:56,680 Or it could be like, I block 1 here, I block another 2 here, I 571 00:30:56,680 --> 00:31:00,000 block another 2 here. They make it very flexible. 572 00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:02,000 Or block for three and then block for two. 573 00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:05,520 So it's like, how can you get your seismic surges to line up 574 00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:08,440 with the way that you need to block this specific aggression 575 00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:10,680 coming at you? Exactly, very flexible. 576 00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,920 Or like the blade beckener pieces from haunted limited you 577 00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:17,360 could block for one on a non attack on a on an attack action 578 00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:19,880 card and then block for one later on a dagger. 579 00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:23,640 Or you could like block 2 on a dagger near the beginning that's 580 00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:25,760 been pumped. You kind of have that option. 581 00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:28,840 The Cardwell has flexibility. It's somehow more flexible than 582 00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:31,200 any of the other keywords that they've done before it just 583 00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:33,120 because of the way it applies to -1 counters. 584 00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:35,120 There's two other block types I want to mention. 585 00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:40,080 One is if a card has zero block, such as Snapdragon Scalers. 586 00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:44,040 Snapdragon scalers has 0 block, but it never destroys itself 587 00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:46,080 when you block with it. There's no downside to blocking 588 00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:47,640 with it, because there's no upside either. 589 00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:51,240 Yeah, there's no keyword that says destroy this or put a -, 1 590 00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:53,400 on this. It's just like ha ha ha, joke's 591 00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:57,080 on you, I can block for 0. Which gets relevant in some 592 00:31:57,080 --> 00:32:00,560 situations if a mechanologist is playing T-bone and you have to 593 00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:02,520 block with equipment. I don't want to block with my 594 00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:04,800 blade break stuff because it'll be destroyed. 595 00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:07,680 I don't want to block with my temper because it'll be quicker 596 00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:09,120 to. It's closer to being destroyed, 597 00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:12,680 but I can put a 0 block in front of it and just fulfill the 598 00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:15,040 requirement of blocking with an equipment even if it doesn't 599 00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:18,000 like do anything. Some cards also can destroy 600 00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:20,400 equipment that have 0 block value. 601 00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:23,280 That can either be that guard well piece that was just sitting 602 00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:26,560 around or it could be the Snapdragon scalers, which hey, 603 00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:28,760 you should have used it earlier so that I couldn't have 604 00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:32,000 destroyed it here. Whereas some cards have no block 605 00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:36,480 value at all, which is different than 0 having no block value at 606 00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:38,280 all. We can call that a Pearl because 607 00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:40,920 there's a little Pearl where the block value should be, such as 608 00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:44,520 Crown of Dominion, the headpiece that makes you royal and gives 609 00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:47,120 you a gold token. Crown of Dominion has no block 610 00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:50,120 value, so I cannot put it in front of an attacking card. 611 00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:53,520 If I get hit with T-bone, Crown of Dominion is not a legal 612 00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:55,200 option for me to throw in front of T-bone. 613 00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:57,320 I'm going to have to throw one of my different equipment off of 614 00:32:57,320 --> 00:32:59,640 it. And if something destroys 615 00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:02,440 something with 0 block like Clark was saying, that card 616 00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:04,800 would not be able to destroy Crown of Dominion, right? 617 00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:09,040 Very much so. So I get to stay royal. 618 00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:12,400 Joel, what's your favorite keyword? 619 00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:15,240 Like if they printed a new Warrior equipment, what do you 620 00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:17,360 want printed on it? Do you want it to be Guardwell? 621 00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:20,080 Do you want to be Battle Warren? Do you want to be Temper? 622 00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:24,320 That's a good question. I think it largely depends on 623 00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:26,160 like whatever effects they're slapping on it. 624 00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:29,200 I think battle like if I can get more battle Warren like if there 625 00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:33,120 was a battle Warren class I'm gonna be biased and say it 626 00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:34,960 should be warrior. Yeah, I think that tends to be 627 00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:37,360 the strongest keyword, just looking at what it does, right? 628 00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:39,600 Yeah, I get to block as much as I want and it doesn't destroy 629 00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:41,760 itself, right? I'm going to be a little silly 630 00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:43,880 here. I think I'd like to see blade 631 00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:48,080 break, but I'd like to see a really big block value for blade 632 00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:51,040 break. Like a generic 4 block blade 633 00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:54,240 break just. So to get the most value out of 634 00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:57,200 your blocking equipment, one general rule of thumb that we 635 00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:01,600 have is you want to block when it makes a difference and you're 636 00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:03,240 not just saving yourself two life. 637 00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:06,360 If I could block for two, saving two life is like the bare 638 00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:09,159 minimum for what I can accomplish by blocking with my 639 00:34:09,159 --> 00:34:12,679 two block equipment, right? It would be better if I blocked 640 00:34:12,679 --> 00:34:15,719 an on hit if it's the difference between you hitting with snatch 641 00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:18,800 and drawing a card and not. That's a lot of value that I get 642 00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:21,280 from locking. Even if I'm over blocking like 643 00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:24,040 with a three block and A2 block equipment so I'm blocking for 644 00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:27,639 five against your 4, I'm still denying you will hold cards with 645 00:34:27,639 --> 00:34:30,159 a value. So that could be worth not 646 00:34:30,159 --> 00:34:32,239 getting the full 2 block value out of my equipment. 647 00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:34,760 Or if you're coming at me with command and conquer, I might 648 00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:37,440 throw some equipment and a card in front of it instead of 649 00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:39,920 throwing 2 cards because I want to keep more cards in my hand. 650 00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:44,639 I want to stop the tempo loss that you are taking from me with 651 00:34:44,639 --> 00:34:48,880 command and conquer. I think another general rule of 652 00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:52,960 thumb that I see a lot of like new players kind of fall for is 653 00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:57,640 that like equipment tends to be just as good later in the game 654 00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:00,200 as it is early in the game for blocking. 655 00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:01,840 And there's some good exceptions to this. 656 00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:06,040 If I know my opponent is throwing really face up damage 657 00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:09,360 where it's very clear how much they're swinging for, you can 658 00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:12,440 imagine like a guardian swinging A3 for seven or a three for or a 659 00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:16,040 six for 10 every turn. Oh hey look, armor being really 660 00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:20,120 good against Guardian again. When the damage is really clear, 661 00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:26,320 then you can wait a really long time before you're blocking with 662 00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:28,840 armor because there's not going to be any surprises. 663 00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:32,000 I that armor is going to be pretty much just as good when 664 00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:35,280 I'm at one life as it would be when I'm at 30 because the 665 00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:38,920 option will always be there and I can always wait to see if 666 00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:41,200 you're going to throw an actual on hit later that I need to 667 00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:43,320 stop. You know, like if you throw a 668 00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:46,440 crush effect, I would love to be able to make that one point of 669 00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:48,040 armor. The difference between me 670 00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:50,800 getting getting hit with the crush effect from spinal or 671 00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:54,520 crippling crush versus like not taking that hit right. 672 00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:56,400 That could be a very effective use of my armor. 673 00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:58,800 Yeah, One thing I see new players doing a lot is they'll 674 00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:01,880 see a very scary vanilla damage number, like like you said, the 675 00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:05,200 six for 10s, which if you're not familiar with, like how 676 00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:08,520 Guardians used to play, they would just have a lot of cards 677 00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:13,040 that say, cost 6 swings were 10, they'd have like 9 of them in a 678 00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:15,960 deck. And it can be tempting to use 679 00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:18,480 your armor value to like conserve live quote UN quote. 680 00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:19,520 Because you feel like you're taking. 681 00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:20,800 Too much at once, right? Right. 682 00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:24,240 But it's it's that discipline you build over time to say it's 683 00:36:24,240 --> 00:36:26,280 just vanilla damage. I'm going to need this later. 684 00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:28,680 Let's save it. Now there are exceptions to this 685 00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:32,600 like evasion, although armor is really good at getting around 686 00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:33,960 evasion. That's another good thing to 687 00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:37,040 save armor for is like, oh man, I really wish I could have 688 00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:39,840 blocked here. So I'll save my armor for 689 00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:42,600 moments like that and I'll block with cards from hand instead. 690 00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:45,840 But I think it's good to note that like, that is a good play 691 00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:49,280 when you block with hand instead of armor. 692 00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:51,800 Other than that, like it doesn't make a difference whether you 693 00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:54,680 block this evasive attack or the next one, It's kind of the same 694 00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:57,320 difference. Depending on what's in hand too, 695 00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:00,320 yeah, yeah. I also think that something that 696 00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:03,720 I always think about with my equipment is that it is sitting 697 00:37:03,720 --> 00:37:06,760 value. And so I need to utilize it when 698 00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:09,600 it can give me an overlap, right? 699 00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:13,480 So we've talked in this podcast before about offensive and 700 00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:16,960 defensive overlaps. It's the ability to essentially 701 00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:20,440 give yourself blocking value beyond what would be reasonably 702 00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:24,480 expected from a hand, or offensive value that could be 703 00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:28,760 reasonably expected from a hand. I always try to use my equipment 704 00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:33,600 in the moments where it gives me that overlap that my opponent 705 00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:35,920 throws AC and C at me and I'm sitting on that Blood Rush 706 00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:37,920 fellow in Arsenal. I'm going to block up my 707 00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:41,160 carrying Husk and I'm going to come back with A5 card Blood 708 00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:43,200 Rush. Yeah, yeah, I think that's 709 00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:46,000 another good way of like trying to decide on your good moments 710 00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:48,840 to use equipment. There are some cards where you 711 00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:51,960 need a lot of tempo in order to be able to throw them. 712 00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:53,480 Blood Rush Bellow is a great example. 713 00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:56,120 Crippling Crush and Guardian is another good example. 714 00:37:56,640 --> 00:38:00,720 Like if I stick Blood Rush bellow and Arsenal, I'm going to 715 00:38:00,720 --> 00:38:05,040 need to take damage in order to cast it again or use equipment 716 00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:07,520 to slow them down. Like it's a lot safer for me to 717 00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:10,640 Arsenal Blood Rush Bellow when I have like scowling flesh back as 718 00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:12,520 an example. That's like a very defensive 719 00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:14,640 card because it can ruin their turn, you know? 720 00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:18,680 So having that on the field is enough defense that I can 721 00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:21,360 reasonably cast my stronger cards later in the game. 722 00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:23,960 Whereas if I don't have those equipment, I might not be able 723 00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:25,960 to. So I might want to block in my 724 00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:28,120 mediocre hands to keep my equipment. 725 00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:31,280 That way I can keep the the aggressive cards that I really 726 00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:33,360 want in order to win the game. When I really don't want to 727 00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:35,920 block the cards in hand, that's when the equipment comes in. 728 00:38:36,240 --> 00:38:40,080 So it's interesting how sometimes blocking well and 729 00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:43,160 effectively with equipment is about blocking with cards from 730 00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:46,240 hand more of the time in order to give yourself the space that 731 00:38:46,240 --> 00:38:48,480 you need to block with the equipment and keep your the 732 00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:50,640 hands that you want. I don't even think I've really 733 00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:53,040 ever thought of it that way until I'm recorded now, really. 734 00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:55,800 Really weird, right? You're like, I use my equipment 735 00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:59,640 to protect my hand and my hand to protect my equipment. 736 00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:02,480 Yeah. Yeah, but it's it's very real. 737 00:39:02,720 --> 00:39:06,720 Also, some equipment really want you to have very specific game 738 00:39:06,720 --> 00:39:10,080 states talking about one that we've already mentioned before, 739 00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:12,840 traverse the universe. You don't want to block with 740 00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:15,040 that until you've transcended. But even once you've 741 00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:19,680 transcended, you kind of want to wait until having that extra chi 742 00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:22,520 is going to result in a lot of value for you, right? 743 00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:26,040 You're going to wait until you draw your Mirror guy to block 744 00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:30,160 with your traverse, or to use another example that has Living 745 00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:33,880 Legends Aurora with ZAP Clappers, you're going to wait 746 00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:37,280 for that Channel Lightning Valley to be on the field before 747 00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:40,120 you block with ZAP Clappers because you want to get the draw 748 00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:42,400 off of the arcane damage that it would deal. 749 00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:44,360 Absolutely. Like you're blocking with 750 00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:47,080 equipment in order to trigger synergies in your deck. 751 00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:48,800 So you have clear signals in your deck. 752 00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:50,880 When is it time to block with this equipment? 753 00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:55,440 One other exception I want to get for like how do we know if 754 00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:57,040 it's good to block later or earlier? 755 00:39:57,160 --> 00:39:59,360 And that's attack reaction focus decks. 756 00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:02,440 If you're playing against a warrior or assassin, I tend to 757 00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:04,960 like to block with my equipment earlier to make sure I get the 758 00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:08,320 value out of them to keep my life total up higher because. 759 00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:12,920 Having a higher life total is just very important when my 760 00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:16,480 opponent can surprise deal an extra 5 to 10 damage on attack 761 00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:19,560 reactions. So I do not wanna get to lethal 762 00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:21,880 range, I do not wanna get to 10 life. 763 00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:23,760 And if I have to give equipment in order to make sure that 764 00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:28,360 happens, then it kind of adjusts where you consider that to be 765 00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:32,600 like your lethal life total against Guardians, face up 766 00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:36,600 damage, I can go to like 123 life and protect my equipment up 767 00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:38,600 until that point. But against Assassin and 768 00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:40,920 Warrior, they've already killed me at that point, you know I 769 00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:43,560 can't get below 10. They want that higher life total 770 00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:47,960 to be a weapon in the mind game of like, if I have to react 771 00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:50,080 here, you'll die. So you want to give me extra 772 00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:51,080 cards? Yeah. 773 00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:53,600 And then they provoke you and they take an extra card anyway. 774 00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:58,560 And by keeping your life total up, you're able to avoid hitting 775 00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:01,800 that catch 22 where you've kind of already lost because it's out 776 00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:04,320 of reach of those extended lethals. 777 00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:06,840 You could probably also put Brute in that category, 778 00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:09,720 especially Rhinar, because they can intimidate your whole hand 779 00:41:09,720 --> 00:41:12,680 away sometimes. If you have temper or battle 780 00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:15,360 warrant, you want to get the first block value out of the way 781 00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:19,200 so you can see the second value of the second block, right? 782 00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:22,960 If it blocks for two and one, but I'm at 10 life, I might miss 783 00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:25,520 my opportunity to block with for my 1. 784 00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:27,920 You know, those are a lot of the basics I wanted to get out of 785 00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:29,960 the way. Hopefully I gave you a couple 786 00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:32,360 things to think about. We're going to move on to blue 787 00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:34,360 pitch now. Joel's going to talk about 788 00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:38,160 arcane damage and how equipment can protect us from the magic. 789 00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:42,200 So for my pitch I want to talk about nullroon and the arcane 790 00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:45,080 and all the things that make Joel's around the world pretty 791 00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:47,680 sad so. That's why it's Joe's blue 792 00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:49,240 pitch, because it's. So true. 793 00:41:49,240 --> 00:41:53,960 I got some shit to say. So I want to talk about the 794 00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:56,680 Noroon set. So like the null rune gloves 795 00:41:56,680 --> 00:42:00,000 boots. That's it, right? 796 00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:05,080 Oh, the hood and the chest? Yeah, or the rope. 797 00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:09,480 Excuse me, So these this is like the baseline that flesh and 798 00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:12,760 blood gave us to defend against the arcane arts. 799 00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:16,800 And it's essentially infinite block value because the way you 800 00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:20,080 block arcane damage is you pay one resource for every source of 801 00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:23,680 arcane barrier, 1-2 or three. And arcane damage functions 802 00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:28,200 obviously very differently than regular physical damage, where 803 00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:31,880 every source of arcane damage, whether it's one through like 804 00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:35,240 let's say 5. Yeah, so let's talk about how 805 00:42:35,240 --> 00:42:38,520 what this looks like functionally in the game if I 806 00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:43,000 have a stack of 12 room chance. Which you often do. 807 00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:47,280 Fucker tell. Him you get his ass. 808 00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:55,000 That's a me joke. And so when I have a stack of 12 809 00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:58,360 rune chants and I attack you with my reaping blade, that is 810 00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:03,680 12 sources of 1 arcane damage. You don't need arcane barrier 12 811 00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:07,000 to deal with it. You only need arcane barrier 1 812 00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:12,440 and then you pay 12 resources to stop the 12 rune chants. 813 00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:16,520 One resource per rune chant. Or if you're poor, you pitch 814 00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:18,880 your single blue and take the other. 815 00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:19,920 Nothing. Yeah. 816 00:43:20,720 --> 00:43:22,640 That is indeed how it goes a lot the topic. 817 00:43:24,240 --> 00:43:30,240 And now you don't have a blue. With the Wizards, they will 818 00:43:30,240 --> 00:43:32,920 attack you for, say a. They could attack you for a 819 00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:37,800 single source of 12. When they do that, you do need 820 00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:40,960 Arcane Barrier 12 to deal with it because it is a single source 821 00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:44,960 of 12 damage rather than twelve sources of one damage. 822 00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:47,720 And so that's the difference. It is what is the number of 823 00:43:47,720 --> 00:43:51,640 sources and then what is the number of the individual damage 824 00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:54,240 per source. So it's like damage per source 825 00:43:54,240 --> 00:43:57,080 and then that's how much arcane barrier you need to cover it. 826 00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:00,880 Yeah, well put. Dealing with arcane damage is 827 00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:03,960 very different across the classes because there are some 828 00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:06,080 red line decks that say I don't want to pitch at all, I'm just 829 00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:07,880 going to use this to damage you back. 830 00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:11,280 So they'll often be taking either all the rune chance or 831 00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:13,240 the entirety of the big arcane spell. 832 00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:17,120 Whereas guardians will often have a plethora of blue, so they 833 00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:19,960 can pay 12 into rune chance if they feel like it's better than 834 00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:24,520 blocking physical, or they can block 3 of a big chunky spell 835 00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:28,720 and then reduce the damage of their whole turn if it's like, 836 00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:30,280 you know, some type of amp effect. 837 00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:35,880 Similarly, some decks are more heavily rooted in yellow cards, 838 00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:40,080 so they would only really run like Arcane Barrier 2, which 839 00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:42,800 would be like your boots and your gloves only because 840 00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:46,800 realistically you're not going to be able to AB3 anything even 841 00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:51,200 if you had it equipped. So the way the Arcane Barrier 842 00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:54,760 works right now drastically changes how each deck is going 843 00:44:54,760 --> 00:45:01,040 to be able to not only equip themselves for arcane damage or 844 00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:03,160 even deal with it on a term by term basis. 845 00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:05,480 Yeah. Which is it kind of Harkins back 846 00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:07,520 to what we were saying at the end of Yellow Pitch there where 847 00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:10,000 we were saying, you know, it's really interesting how you can 848 00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:12,960 like use your hand to protect your equipment or your equipment 849 00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:15,680 to protect your hand with arcane damage. 850 00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:18,680 You have to use your hand and your equipment. 851 00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:22,320 You have to sacrifice both places to deal with any single 852 00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:23,080 source. Yeah. 853 00:45:23,240 --> 00:45:25,360 I think that's part of what balances it too, right? 854 00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:28,200 If you talk about the rate of damage you get for arcane 855 00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:30,400 spells, it tends to be less than physical. 856 00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:32,840 You know? Like Voltic Bolt is on rate for 857 00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:35,440 arcane. It's two resources to come in 858 00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:39,520 for five with no go again. Whereas usually you get 6 power 859 00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:41,440 out of a cart like that if it were physical, right? 860 00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:44,760 Or you could go again or something so you're swinging for 861 00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:47,200 less damage. They don't lose any cards in 862 00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:49,160 deck by blocking it with arcane barriers. 863 00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:50,880 That's another big downside of arcane. 864 00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:53,480 But the upside is it comes with re evasion. 865 00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:57,280 They have to give you equipment slots in order to have the 866 00:45:57,280 --> 00:46:00,080 ability to block some of it. Every equipment slot that they 867 00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:03,600 give up to run their shitty no room piece or arcane barrier 868 00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:05,800 like classic equipment. Like it's going to be something 869 00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:08,560 that they probably would rather run something else in order to 870 00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:12,240 get their game plan going. So by it's like ruining their 871 00:46:12,240 --> 00:46:15,320 game plan in advance when we sit down, you are not going to be 872 00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:17,400 able to run all of those equipment pieces that you built 873 00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:20,400 your game plan around. And with this baseline in mind, 874 00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:24,600 then consider like how many of classes that you play that have 875 00:46:24,720 --> 00:46:29,560 in class Arcane Barrier. So you'll see cards like the, I 876 00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:32,560 think it's called the Widow Veil or the Widow, whatever. 877 00:46:32,720 --> 00:46:35,320 It's the equipment suite that got released in Rosetta that had 878 00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:38,360 both Arcane Barrier and spell Void in the same slot. 879 00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:41,760 And there's also, you know, in room Blade there are a magical 880 00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:43,880 class. So magical classes like that 881 00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:46,600 will often have heavier sources of arcane barrier. 882 00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:51,280 So you could potentially run arcane barrier, you know, 2 883 00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:54,880 through 4 and not run any generic null rune stuff. 884 00:46:55,440 --> 00:47:00,560 And that's sort of how LSS balances non magical classes 885 00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:03,560 versus the magical classes. Like something that I've always 886 00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:06,720 been frustrated with obviously cuz I like play the class is 887 00:47:06,720 --> 00:47:09,880 warrior doesn't have any in class arcane barrier. 888 00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:12,480 But in this discussion we've already talked about how 889 00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:17,000 powerful their armor is at blocking physical damage. 890 00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:20,040 I think if they were also really good at blocking magical damage 891 00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:23,840 it could be extremely overturned and that's probably the reason 892 00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:26,280 why they don't have any in class arcane barrier yet. 893 00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:28,280 And like Ranger's, the exact opposite. 894 00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:31,920 Ranger will run Arcane Barrier by accident because it's so in 895 00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:33,880 tune with the cards they already want to run. 896 00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:37,280 It's paired together with good equipment, Bullseye bracers, 897 00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:41,000 Skull Bone, Cross wrap like Arcane, and Trench of Sucker 898 00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:43,720 Treasures, right? So you could be running AB 3 899 00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:46,520 just by accident even if your opponent's not running Arcane 900 00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:48,360 Barrier. So if you come across a wizard, 901 00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:50,720 you're like, Oh well, it's a good thing I already have Arcane 902 00:47:50,720 --> 00:47:52,080 Barrier 3. You don't have to change my game 903 00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:55,480 plan too much, right? And for all you youngsters out 904 00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:58,840 there, there was a time when Azalea was dog shit like I'm 905 00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:02,160 telling you like like less than 100 LL points probably. 906 00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:06,000 And even she had a very good match up into Wizards because 907 00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:09,880 her base equipment set had AB 3. So little things like that make 908 00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:13,640 flesh and blood very interesting because they add in these like 909 00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:17,520 subtle synergies without unless you take the time to like really 910 00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:19,360 examine it all, it goes unnoticed. 911 00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:23,000 I think it's also very interesting that two of the 912 00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:27,880 classes that we just or there's other classes that have good in 913 00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:33,760 class Arcane Barrier, most notably Mechanologist. 914 00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:36,800 Yes. Which were also the classes 915 00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:40,120 first printed in a set with arcane damage. 916 00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:42,320 That's true. Just named all three of them. 917 00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:45,120 Yeah. And so I think it's very 918 00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:49,960 interesting because as they expand where and how to print 919 00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:53,120 Wizard Unlimited and how to design Wizard in limited 920 00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:56,400 environments, I think they may become more comfortable giving 921 00:48:56,400 --> 00:49:01,760 Arcane Barrier to other classes. It's not that it can't come, but 922 00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:04,200 maybe that it just isn't here yet. 923 00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:05,920 You know what else was kind of funny? 924 00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:09,480 Like we didn't have a lot more Arcane Barrier added to the game 925 00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:12,080 in Rosetta. Like we did see a bunch of 926 00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:14,640 pieces in the expansion slot Assassin. 927 00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:19,320 I'm sure there were others, but but they in limited, they're 928 00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:21,560 like, Oh yeah, we're just going to have you gain life. 929 00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:23,320 We're not even going to, like, give you Arcane prevention. 930 00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:26,960 Game life and the macro, yeah, we're two strategies that they 931 00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:29,720 use to work around arcane damage in the limited environment. 932 00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:36,440 Yeah, Speaking of the macro, let's talk about spell Void 933 00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:40,280 because a lot of classes don't want to be pitching into things 934 00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:43,720 like arcane barrier to to their defense against arcane. 935 00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:48,160 However, like we mentioned like the widow set of assassin 936 00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:53,360 equipment and a few other very key pieces have spell void which 937 00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:56,280 basically says whenever you would be dealt arcane damage you 938 00:49:56,280 --> 00:49:58,840 can prevent that much by destroying that piece of 939 00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:01,640 equipment that has spell void. And you know it ranges from like 940 00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:04,360 spell void one to spell void. I think 2 is the highest right 941 00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:06,320 now, 2. Is really the highest I think 942 00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:08,640 we've ever seen. Shark Charmers, Halo of 943 00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:10,840 Illumination, those are the ones I can think of right now. 944 00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:16,000 And Arkan Evan Fold. Arkanite Fortress, Yeah, if 945 00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:17,240 you're running Arkanite school cap. 946 00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:21,040 Then the more Arkanite they give us baby, the better it's gonna 947 00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:24,440 get. Oh yeah, any thoughts about 948 00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:26,840 spell void I? I personally like it because 949 00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:29,440 it's the only way Bolton can really deal with arcane damage. 950 00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:31,920 But it's like, thank God, I can actually just block with my 951 00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:33,600 equipment. That's all I want to do with my 952 00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:35,640 equipment. It's just block them and spell. 953 00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:37,080 It's like. That that's true. 954 00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:40,400 It behaves a lot more naturally than the other equipment, and as 955 00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:44,040 a result of that, it's easier to find the play lines to make it 956 00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:45,720 work. You don't have to like, change 957 00:50:45,720 --> 00:50:49,840 your entire deck construction to run all these extra Blues so 958 00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:52,640 that you can still have a turn and pitch a blue. 959 00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:57,760 Now you can just be like hmm, prevent the damage by putting 960 00:50:57,760 --> 00:50:59,760 these things on the table in front of it. 961 00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:03,280 It's kind of like Arcane Barrier helps you across the game, you 962 00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:06,680 know, like in the long term, being able to continuously pitch 963 00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:09,720 to Arcane Barrier is going to like help you stop their on hits 964 00:51:09,720 --> 00:51:11,520 and effects as well as keep cards in your deck. 965 00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:13,120 And it's how you beat a wizard over time. 966 00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:16,160 But people like Kano, they don't just play over time. 967 00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:18,360 They play in one solid turn. That's when Spellboy is really 968 00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:21,400 good when you want to block Arcane in key moments. 969 00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:24,520 And obviously the best case is when you can have both together 970 00:51:24,520 --> 00:51:26,600 at the same time. I think this is one of the 971 00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:29,320 reasons why Aurora was a top deck in the meta because she had 972 00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:33,600 that Dyadic Carabus AB2. The lightning grieves AB 1, so 973 00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:35,960 there's your AB 3. And then Fuzzy, you just said 974 00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:38,400 it, shock charmers in the yard, there's your spell Void 2. 975 00:51:38,720 --> 00:51:42,200 And then I still get to keep my headpiece for whatever I want. 976 00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:46,880 Like that's really strong. I think it's I kind of agree 977 00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:50,240 with what you're saying, but one caveat is that like if I knew 978 00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:52,640 they were only going to be dealing arcane in one turn of 979 00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:54,720 the game, I would just want spell void. 980 00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:57,120 And if I knew they were going to do a little bit over the course 981 00:51:57,120 --> 00:51:59,760 of the entire game, like if they were a rune blade, I would just 982 00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:02,080 want arcane barrier 1 spell void one wouldn't help me get the 983 00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:04,160 rune blade. So they're not always I think 984 00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:08,400 best in tandem necessarily, but against like Kano or like 985 00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:11,040 dedicated Wizards, like they're not going to do all arcane on 986 00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:12,840 one single turn. They're going to do it over the 987 00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:15,160 course of the game. So you you can definitely 988 00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:17,640 overwhelm them with both and secure the match up. 989 00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:19,760 And that sounds like a lot of equipment spaces. 990 00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:22,920 So let's talk about the inventory and how that interacts 991 00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:25,160 with all the stuff we just mentioned, like the spell void 992 00:52:25,160 --> 00:52:27,520 pieces. We're going to be running the 993 00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:28,880 AB. This is very full circle to that 994 00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:31,120 very first point made. I main red pitch. 995 00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:34,400 Everyone starts with four equipment slots. 996 00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:37,400 You only have so much room to put this stuff in. 997 00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:42,160 Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's true. So Clark was saying that there's 998 00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:43,760 only four slots you can do stuff with. 999 00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:47,120 And if everything is super valuable in those same slots, 1000 00:52:47,120 --> 00:52:50,120 you have to really pick and choose in your deck building, 1001 00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:51,920 like what you can afford to go out with. 1002 00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:56,760 Like for me, I always feel bad about like taking out Brayforge 1003 00:52:56,760 --> 00:53:00,360 bracers for no room gloves because Brayforge bracers I can 1004 00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:03,840 also get one point of value offensively and I might not 1005 00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:08,280 always get to use it as Arcane barrier versus like Verdance or 1006 00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:11,360 Cano for instance. One thing we already talked 1007 00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:15,240 about previously is that some classes have a more difficult 1008 00:53:15,240 --> 00:53:18,440 time dealing with arcane damage because they don't have those in 1009 00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:21,200 class suites. So if I'm a warrior player and I 1010 00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:24,400 have like 4 pieces of really good equipment, I then also have 1011 00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:29,800 to add like 123 arcane barrier slots for like no rune or spell 1012 00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:31,800 void. And it's not 7 slots, not 1013 00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:33,600 including like whatever weapons you're bringing. 1014 00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:37,840 So already like an eighth of your deck is devoted strictly to 1015 00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:41,240 equipment, and that can be a lot when you have to also navigate 1016 00:53:41,240 --> 00:53:44,960 like which matchups do arcane in the small forms like in the 1017 00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:48,720 sources of 1, and then which decks are popping up that are 1018 00:53:48,720 --> 00:53:52,560 dealing big ass arcane sources. And some decks are going to be 1019 00:53:52,560 --> 00:53:55,360 easier to make that room. You know, I kind of do it a 1020 00:53:55,360 --> 00:53:57,800 little bit backwards because when I'm like brewing up a new 1021 00:53:57,800 --> 00:53:59,960 deck list, I get my main board, right? 1022 00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:03,200 Like, OK, this is like the 40 to 60 cards that I think I'm going 1023 00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:06,200 to be running in most matchups. Then I'm like, OK, time for my 1024 00:54:06,200 --> 00:54:07,560 and here's my main equipment, right? 1025 00:54:07,720 --> 00:54:10,040 These are the equipment and weapon I'm most likely to run. 1026 00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:13,280 Then I go to my sideboard and I'm like, it's the trauma takes 1027 00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:15,960 over and I'm like, well, if I see a Cano, I don't want to lose 1028 00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:17,920 to them. So I bring in five pieces of 1029 00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:21,440 arcade barrier. If I have all four, an old room 1030 00:54:21,720 --> 00:54:24,200 and I equip the arcane Lantern. I don't even think I need a 1031 00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:25,920 weapon. I think I'll beat Kano just by 1032 00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:29,240 fear fatigue. And then I go to the sideboard 1033 00:54:29,240 --> 00:54:32,200 from there because I have to be able to beat Kano, even though 1034 00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:34,760 like, I probably still, I'm going to fucking lose to Kano 1035 00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:36,560 because they're going to get lucky off me, you know? 1036 00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:42,360 Yeah, but the more that you have to run to justify the arcane 1037 00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:45,480 barrier, it could even go as far as having like extra Blues 1038 00:54:45,480 --> 00:54:49,320 inside board, right, So that you can actually utilize your extra 1039 00:54:49,320 --> 00:54:51,360 arcane barrier. I know that was the thing during 1040 00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:53,080 the. I know we're talking about 1041 00:54:53,080 --> 00:54:56,200 Arcane, so I'm gonna shift it. And I'll say like during the ice 1042 00:54:56,200 --> 00:54:58,960 meta where Icelander was really prominent, people would just 1043 00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:03,520 have extra Blues inside board so that they could bring in and run 1044 00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:07,960 against Icelander. Yeah, and you know, a lot of the 1045 00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:09,960 running joke in Flesh and Blood is like whenever there's a new 1046 00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:12,120 busted generic, it's usually a blue block 3. 1047 00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:17,840 But that is on ironically so strong for deck building 1048 00:55:18,040 --> 00:55:22,240 decisions because I can then run like 4/3 of my warmongers for 1049 00:55:22,240 --> 00:55:25,560 like an upcoming Ranger meta. But also like even if I'm not 1050 00:55:25,560 --> 00:55:28,320 going to be able to get any value out of it against like a 1051 00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:31,680 Cano per SE, because the they're always choosing peace, it's 1052 00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:35,240 still an extra blue that I can side in and take out the red 1053 00:55:35,320 --> 00:55:37,520 like defense reactions that I might have in main board. 1054 00:55:38,080 --> 00:55:41,080 So it's little tricks like that that I love about flesh and 1055 00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:44,400 blood where you can make multiple uses out of the same 1056 00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:47,160 card. Especially when you know like 1057 00:55:47,160 --> 00:55:49,960 Fuzzy was saying, I'm trying to find room for my 6 arc arcane 1058 00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:53,520 Barrier and I need to make cuts and my. 4 spell void. 1059 00:55:53,560 --> 00:55:57,280 Yeah, yeah, yeah. And my and my 3 Oasis respite. 1060 00:55:58,360 --> 00:56:01,840 And my my ice pick so I can pop their tires so they don't make 1061 00:56:01,840 --> 00:56:04,000 it to the PQ, things like that, you know, things like that. 1062 00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:07,560 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, I think that's pretty much 1063 00:56:07,560 --> 00:56:09,240 it for me. I've had enough Arcane talked 1064 00:56:09,240 --> 00:56:12,440 for one day. I think now we should go over to 1065 00:56:12,440 --> 00:56:14,280 the Arsenal zone. What say you boys? 1066 00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:16,520 Yeah, let's go to the Arsenal zone. 1067 00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:19,960 Yar. So I've been hanging out with 1068 00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:22,920 Captain Hornswoggle last week. You know, how has he been doing? 1069 00:56:23,160 --> 00:56:24,640 He's been doing pretty good and he's still. 1070 00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:28,840 In town, he hasn't texted me. Awkward. 1071 00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:36,080 No, I mean, I guess sure you know. 1072 00:56:38,120 --> 00:56:40,760 So anyway, our Arsenal Zone is the part of the podcast where we 1073 00:56:40,760 --> 00:56:42,880 all talk about a card that we've been thinking about lately for 1074 00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:47,360 whatever reason we want. Joel, what do you got on the 1075 00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:49,080 mind? You have to do a patron. 1076 00:56:49,080 --> 00:56:53,760 Oh my God. We like to start our Arsenals on 1077 00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:56,960 every single episode by shouting out one of our patrons. 1078 00:56:57,160 --> 00:57:01,720 If you join our Patreon at the $5 tier, you can suggest a card 1079 00:57:01,720 --> 00:57:04,200 to go here in the Arsenal zone and get some of your thoughts 1080 00:57:04,200 --> 00:57:07,920 about the card onto the podcast. It's a great way of supporting 1081 00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:10,640 the show and you know, making yourself a part of the show a 1082 00:57:10,640 --> 00:57:14,360 little bit. So we are going to select one of 1083 00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:22,840 our patrons at random and the winner is Diet Roll Noise Han. 1084 00:57:23,560 --> 00:57:26,800 Whoa, I know that guy. Han B, the artist for our pod. 1085 00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:32,480 Yeah, Khan shouted out the card. Spreading Flames. 1086 00:57:32,560 --> 00:57:34,320 You do not know what Spreading Flames is. 1087 00:57:34,320 --> 00:57:39,320 It is a red one. Cost 3 attack, 2 block Draconic 1088 00:57:39,320 --> 00:57:43,320 Ninja action, attack action card it. 1089 00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:45,800 I said it came in for three. I'm just, I'm just excited to 1090 00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:47,400 see if you're going to, if you're going to stick the land 1091 00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:51,720 in here. And it says fuck I don't know 1092 00:57:51,720 --> 00:57:54,400 how they word it. The moment that you attack the 1093 00:57:54,400 --> 00:57:58,360 card, if it's power is the less than the amount of draconic 1094 00:57:58,360 --> 00:58:00,960 chain links you control, it gains one power. 1095 00:58:01,120 --> 00:58:03,920 Yeah, draconic attacks you control have. 1096 00:58:03,920 --> 00:58:06,240 Draconic attacks only. That's what it applies. 1097 00:58:06,240 --> 00:58:09,400 To have plus one power while their base power is less than 1098 00:58:09,400 --> 00:58:11,480 the number of draconic chain links you control. 1099 00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:16,120 And it has go again. That's all your little phoenix 1100 00:58:16,120 --> 00:58:18,000 flames and dagger just get plus one. 1101 00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:20,440 Because it's not just attack action cards, it's weapon 1102 00:58:20,440 --> 00:58:22,440 attacks 2. Han had this to say about the 1103 00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:24,440 card. It's in my list of flesh and 1104 00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:27,280 blood cards that also have a magic counterpart because Han 1105 00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:29,560 and our buddies have a running list of cards that have the same 1106 00:58:29,560 --> 00:58:31,200 name. Like this is a magic card with 1107 00:58:31,200 --> 00:58:32,600 the same name. I guess there's a magic card 1108 00:58:32,600 --> 00:58:35,800 called Spreading Flames. It's also a Fi card who might 1109 00:58:35,800 --> 00:58:37,640 think has a decent chance against Florian. 1110 00:58:37,800 --> 00:58:40,080 Got to spread the word and have people play him more before 1111 00:58:40,080 --> 00:58:41,960 graveyard hate kills him in high seas. 1112 00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:47,120 Yeah, the graveyard hay and high seas might kill Phi, it might 1113 00:58:47,120 --> 00:58:52,240 also kill Syndra, but I think we have seen the power of spreading 1114 00:58:52,240 --> 00:58:56,080 flames since Han put in this suggestion and Aurora sort of 1115 00:58:56,080 --> 00:59:00,320 left the meta. I think blue oriented ninjas 1116 00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:04,240 with big combo abilities like our two draconic ninjas with 1117 00:59:04,240 --> 00:59:07,200 spreading flames definitely rose in priority in the meta. 1118 00:59:07,360 --> 00:59:11,720 I know at the RT and I went or sorry at the PQ at the PQI went 1119 00:59:11,800 --> 00:59:16,000 to, I kind of got wrecked by a fire that was running Spreading 1120 00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:19,840 flames and I know that Syndra has been one of the top decks 1121 00:59:19,840 --> 00:59:24,280 Syndra made to the finals of the May AGE West Coast AGE. 1122 00:59:24,320 --> 00:59:26,520 Oh, did not know that. Yeah, Travis. 1123 00:59:26,680 --> 00:59:29,520 Wagner. Travis, yeah, he's fucking good, 1124 00:59:29,520 --> 00:59:30,880 man. He loves draconic heroes. 1125 00:59:32,320 --> 00:59:35,520 So thanks for the shout out Hon. And don't worry if you didn't 1126 00:59:35,520 --> 00:59:39,200 hear your card called out, we will do another drawing next 1127 00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:42,200 episode, so be sure to keep sending us your suggestions. 1128 00:59:42,200 --> 00:59:43,800 And we hold on to all the suggestions. 1129 00:59:43,800 --> 00:59:46,160 Hun was from a couple of weeks ago. 1130 00:59:46,480 --> 00:59:49,280 Those don't just disappear. Whenever you have a card that 1131 00:59:49,280 --> 00:59:51,040 you really like, throw it in there. 1132 00:59:51,080 --> 00:59:53,960 Yeah. We like to know what's on your 1133 00:59:53,960 --> 00:59:56,080 mind, Joel. What's on your mind? 1134 00:59:56,560 --> 01:00:01,440 On my mind is probably the most based equipment ever, and that's 1135 01:00:01,440 --> 01:00:03,600 carrion husk. So based they had to ban it in 1136 01:00:03,600 --> 01:00:05,200 living. So based they had to ban a 1137 01:00:05,200 --> 01:00:07,960 living legend. They cannot let Lavaia live bro. 1138 01:00:07,960 --> 01:00:11,000 Literally stand it. Biggest base power of any 1139 01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:12,760 equipment, Yeah. Base block. 1140 01:00:12,760 --> 01:00:17,840 I don't know why you're beating me, I just so carrion Husk is a 1141 01:00:17,840 --> 01:00:23,600 shadow chest piece with six defense holy with blood day and 1142 01:00:23,600 --> 01:00:28,120 if at the start of your turn you are under 13 health it banishes 1143 01:00:28,120 --> 01:00:31,240 itself. So this was also banishes. 1144 01:00:31,240 --> 01:00:34,960 Itself once the combat chain. Closes, yeah, yeah, so 13 life, 1145 01:00:34,960 --> 01:00:38,480 use it or lose it. And I love this card because it 1146 01:00:38,840 --> 01:00:43,680 is just a really unique piece. Like power aside, it's one of 1147 01:00:43,680 --> 01:00:47,920 the most interesting chess pieces, and it created this 1148 01:00:47,920 --> 01:00:52,200 interesting dynamic with Chain because it sort of started this 1149 01:00:52,200 --> 01:00:55,640 clock where you have to, like, kill your opponent before I 1150 01:00:55,640 --> 01:00:58,440 start taking you down to, you know, lethal ranges. 1151 01:00:58,760 --> 01:01:01,840 And Leviah, you kind of had to keep the train running and keep 1152 01:01:01,840 --> 01:01:05,200 the blood, blood that engine going so that you would sort of 1153 01:01:05,200 --> 01:01:07,040 ignore the blood that effect of this card. 1154 01:01:07,480 --> 01:01:11,480 And then Vincette, yeah, Vincette doesn't block with this 1155 01:01:11,480 --> 01:01:12,440 very often. Yeah. 1156 01:01:13,120 --> 01:01:15,320 I love Carrie and Husk. What a great Charlotte. 1157 01:01:15,320 --> 01:01:18,360 This was one of the first arts I ever really fell in love with. 1158 01:01:18,680 --> 01:01:20,240 Flashing blood. Yeah, because it's just this 1159 01:01:20,240 --> 01:01:24,320 giant undead fucking Titan to Husk and it's breastplate. 1160 01:01:24,360 --> 01:01:26,400 Yeah. And I'm like, God, what the fuck 1161 01:01:26,400 --> 01:01:28,160 is that thing? How about you, Clark? 1162 01:01:28,160 --> 01:01:30,560 What's your card? The card that I want to shout 1163 01:01:30,560 --> 01:01:36,360 out is how from beyond. How, How, how from beyond. 1164 01:01:37,880 --> 01:01:41,400 It's just such a fun card. One of the coolest things about 1165 01:01:41,400 --> 01:01:45,760 Levaya is graveyard recursion. The ability to send these cards 1166 01:01:45,760 --> 01:01:48,960 that are playable from Blood debt, yeah, back into your 1167 01:01:48,960 --> 01:01:52,560 graveyard to then give you the cards that you need to banish. 1168 01:01:52,920 --> 01:01:55,200 And then you just. And then once it's banished, 1169 01:01:55,200 --> 01:01:57,400 it's playable again. And so you just fucking loop it 1170 01:01:57,400 --> 01:02:00,640 between these two zones. It's such a powerful ability, 1171 01:02:01,320 --> 01:02:04,640 it's such a great way of adding a little bit extra extension 1172 01:02:04,640 --> 01:02:09,160 when you don't have a natural go again in hand, and it's just 1173 01:02:09,160 --> 01:02:12,040 such a cool fucking card. It like gives Lavaya a great 1174 01:02:12,040 --> 01:02:14,040 match up into every single slow deck. 1175 01:02:14,360 --> 01:02:18,400 I got to play against Benz Teklavasin recently and I just 1176 01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:21,080 fucking looped that shit turn after turn. 1177 01:02:21,360 --> 01:02:24,680 Made sure I always kept my graveyard at 3 or 4 cards so I 1178 01:02:24,680 --> 01:02:27,800 could or two or three cards so I could just play it and have a 1179 01:02:27,800 --> 01:02:30,800 really good chance of banishing it and getting it back again and 1180 01:02:30,800 --> 01:02:34,040 just boss can keep it going. It is such a great little 1181 01:02:34,040 --> 01:02:36,120 engine. Love this card. 1182 01:02:36,720 --> 01:02:38,160 Yeah. Can I not describe the card? 1183 01:02:39,320 --> 01:02:41,040 Nope, I. Don't remember, I probably not. 1184 01:02:41,800 --> 01:02:46,120 How from beyond is a shadow non tech action card that cost 2 is 1185 01:02:46,120 --> 01:02:50,440 red and blocks for two At red it says your next attack action 1186 01:02:50,440 --> 01:02:54,720 card games plus three power go again and it is playable from 1187 01:02:54,720 --> 01:02:57,520 blood death. Yeah, it's cards like this that, 1188 01:02:57,640 --> 01:03:00,840 you know, when people start talking about Rhinar as a good 1189 01:03:00,840 --> 01:03:02,440 counter for decks I like to block. 1190 01:03:02,640 --> 01:03:05,680 I'm thinking with Via there's no deck that can feed Tigger if she 1191 01:03:05,680 --> 01:03:09,320 has this plus the rest of her like, you know, a recursion 1192 01:03:09,320 --> 01:03:15,240 package so to speak. Yeah, so I love Al from Beyond. 1193 01:03:15,520 --> 01:03:17,720 I don't think they're going to print too many more cards that 1194 01:03:17,720 --> 01:03:20,520 can do this because it is a really powerful thing to do for 1195 01:03:20,520 --> 01:03:23,680 her. But maybe, maybe just a little 1196 01:03:23,760 --> 01:03:26,560 as a treat. Just one, just one, just one 1197 01:03:26,560 --> 01:03:28,160 more what? Are we going to do with one 1198 01:03:28,160 --> 01:03:31,080 more? And a blue 6 while you're at it. 1199 01:03:31,080 --> 01:03:33,040 Anyways, Fuzzy, how about you? What do you got for us? 1200 01:03:35,240 --> 01:03:37,720 Well, I don't have a brute related card at all to shout out 1201 01:03:37,720 --> 01:03:40,400 today. He's off, he's off of it. 1202 01:03:40,440 --> 01:03:42,440 Caught. They gave Katsu bonds back and 1203 01:03:42,440 --> 01:03:43,880 he stopped just like. That. 1204 01:03:44,160 --> 01:03:47,400 I've been playing Talischar at work and I've been brewing Gravy 1205 01:03:47,400 --> 01:03:50,920 Bones and I have a card that I think is fun to play against 1206 01:03:50,920 --> 01:03:54,160 Gravy Bones. I just certainly did not come up 1207 01:03:54,160 --> 01:03:56,080 with this. Not only did I see it online 1208 01:03:56,080 --> 01:03:58,880 here and there, but I also saw it played against me and that's 1209 01:03:58,960 --> 01:04:00,960 Blue Widowmaker, the Ranger card. 1210 01:04:00,960 --> 01:04:08,800 Widowmaker is A1, cost 3 block Ranger attack action Arrow 1211 01:04:09,400 --> 01:04:12,200 defense reactions cannot be played to Widowmaker's chain 1212 01:04:12,200 --> 01:04:13,320 link at all. Nope. 1213 01:04:13,640 --> 01:04:17,560 And if Widowmaker is defended by fewer than two cards, it has 1214 01:04:17,560 --> 01:04:20,560 plus three power. At blue, it has a base of two. 1215 01:04:20,560 --> 01:04:23,560 The red would be a one for four, plus the three if it's not 1216 01:04:23,560 --> 01:04:26,040 blocked at all. So this can come in for five 1217 01:04:26,040 --> 01:04:29,840 against an ally. The Blue Widowmaker can attack 1218 01:04:29,840 --> 01:04:33,120 for five, and because you can't block attacks that are at your 1219 01:04:33,120 --> 01:04:36,200 allies, Widowmaker is kind of guaranteed to be the full value 1220 01:04:36,200 --> 01:04:39,120 when you're against allies and they have the new support for 1221 01:04:39,120 --> 01:04:41,320 blue specifically, that gives them go again. 1222 01:04:41,560 --> 01:04:44,560 So you can load a Blue Widowmaker, shoot a one for five 1223 01:04:44,560 --> 01:04:47,040 at an ally, and then continue on with the rest of your turn. 1224 01:04:47,120 --> 01:04:48,840 Yeah, with go again with the sarong. 1225 01:04:49,440 --> 01:04:52,280 It's also so cool because it gives another reason for those 1226 01:04:52,280 --> 01:04:55,320 zero block equipment. Oh yeah, because you could block 1227 01:04:55,320 --> 01:04:59,000 this with the 0 block equipment. Or your battle Warren, right 1228 01:04:59,120 --> 01:05:01,200 like your battle Warren that have the counters over time. 1229 01:05:01,320 --> 01:05:03,760 So there are lots of reasons why you wouldn't necessarily want to 1230 01:05:03,760 --> 01:05:06,200 run widowmaker and constructive. There are lots of ways to get 1231 01:05:06,200 --> 01:05:09,200 around the effect. But also, you know what, like if 1232 01:05:09,200 --> 01:05:11,240 you're you're shooting a blue and they're giving you at least 1233 01:05:11,240 --> 01:05:14,000 one card in hand, you're kind of already getting the expected 1234 01:05:14,000 --> 01:05:16,040 value that you'd get from a blue arrow, right? 1235 01:05:16,560 --> 01:05:19,960 Like unless they have two equipment they can block with 1236 01:05:19,960 --> 01:05:23,080 freely, it's kind of really easy to get value out of this card I 1237 01:05:23,080 --> 01:05:25,320 think. A blue that can be a red that 1238 01:05:25,320 --> 01:05:27,880 encourages them to give cards out of hand seems really 1239 01:05:27,880 --> 01:05:29,840 powerful to like. And what a cool little tech 1240 01:05:29,840 --> 01:05:32,400 piece. Yeah, So that's what I've been 1241 01:05:32,400 --> 01:05:34,640 thinking about lately. I brought a copy to sign for 1242 01:05:34,640 --> 01:05:37,880 each of you. Here's one for you and one for 1243 01:05:37,880 --> 01:05:39,880 you. A thank you, Fuzzy. 1244 01:05:41,280 --> 01:05:44,840 And I think that's our podcast. That's the podcast. 1245 01:05:46,080 --> 01:05:49,280 It's over. Thanks for listening everybody. 1246 01:05:49,280 --> 01:05:52,400 I hope you enjoyed hearing us talk about our like flesh and 1247 01:05:52,400 --> 01:05:54,320 blood clothing. You know what we wear on our 1248 01:05:54,320 --> 01:05:56,760 flesh and blood bodies? Yeah. 1249 01:05:57,080 --> 01:05:58,560 Do you guys think? Fashion. 1250 01:05:58,560 --> 01:06:02,600 True music Done. Do you guys think it will ever 1251 01:06:02,600 --> 01:06:05,240 get to the point where there's a format with like the coldest 1252 01:06:05,240 --> 01:06:09,680 drip where like you can equip like you just have to develop 1253 01:06:09,680 --> 01:06:12,440 the coolest outfit? Well, no, because then Warrior 1254 01:06:12,440 --> 01:06:14,320 would win every every time. Well. 1255 01:06:14,320 --> 01:06:19,560 No Brute with the scowling flesh bag with the tuning high Tanner 1256 01:06:19,560 --> 01:06:23,040 V tracker, what it's like all on theme. 1257 01:06:23,360 --> 01:06:25,640 Because they're all brute cards. Hey, you raggedy ass 1258 01:06:25,640 --> 01:06:27,280 motherfucker. Whoa. 1259 01:06:28,400 --> 01:06:30,800 I feel like does an assassin have some like stylish cards? 1260 01:06:30,800 --> 01:06:33,960 Window veil the the four widow veils would be pretty sick. 1261 01:06:33,960 --> 01:06:36,600 I I guess. Also riptide and fishnets. 1262 01:06:36,600 --> 01:06:40,040 I I think you know. Sea Laser. 1263 01:06:40,080 --> 01:06:41,320 That that pretty much seals it up. 1264 01:06:41,320 --> 01:06:42,760 I don't know. All right. 1265 01:06:42,760 --> 01:06:45,600 Thanks for listening everybody. International guys, bye. 1266 01:06:46,320 --> 01:07:06,520 Bye. Pitch It to Me podcast is hosted 1267 01:07:06,520 --> 01:07:10,040 by Fuzzy Del Clark Moore and Joel Racinos. 1268 01:07:10,240 --> 01:07:13,800 Our executive producer is Talon Stradley, logistics coordinator 1269 01:07:13,840 --> 01:07:19,480 John Farkas, music by Dylan Hulse, logo by Han V and sound 1270 01:07:19,480 --> 01:07:23,120 mixing by Christopher Moore. Last but not least, we'd like to 1271 01:07:23,120 --> 01:07:25,680 thank you, the listener. Thank you for tuning in. 1272 01:07:26,000 --> 01:07:29,160 Please give us a follow on your favorite social media platform 1273 01:07:29,280 --> 01:07:42,920 and Pitch It to Me podcast. I fell in love with the lure. 1274 01:07:42,920 --> 01:07:45,240 Carrying some big melons. I'm cutting that just. 1275 01:07:50,040 --> 01:07:55,400 That's my huge. How about you? 1276 01:07:57,840 --> 01:08:00,240 No, it just has. It doesn't have any, it just 1277 01:08:00,400 --> 01:08:02,680 blocks for six. It doesn't get any minus ones, 1278 01:08:03,080 --> 01:08:04,760 but it has an ability that banishes itself. 1279 01:08:04,760 --> 01:08:06,680 Throatinger's battlehorn. I'm just kidding. 1280 01:08:06,680 --> 01:08:07,880 I don't know what Schrodinger means. 1281 01:08:12,040 --> 01:08:14,080 Oh it does. I really hope that gets sweet 1282 01:08:14,080 --> 01:08:15,400 into. It take whoever. 1283 01:08:16,800 --> 01:08:18,000 That was really funny.