1 00:00:09,280 --> 00:00:12,320 Welcome to Pitch It to Me podcast, a show about the 2 00:00:12,320 --> 00:00:15,440 subjective past, present and potential future of flesh and 3 00:00:15,440 --> 00:00:17,680 blood design. Today's episode will be about 4 00:00:17,680 --> 00:00:21,360 the complex relationship between players and the living legend 5 00:00:21,360 --> 00:00:23,600 system. You can find us across all 6 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:26,840 socials such as Blue Sky and Instagram at Pitch It to Me 7 00:00:26,840 --> 00:00:40,060 podcast. I'm fuzzy. 8 00:00:40,180 --> 00:00:42,740 I'm Clark and I'm Joel. Wait, why am I last? 9 00:00:44,220 --> 00:00:45,780 Because you're the best. OK. 10 00:00:45,780 --> 00:00:49,740 Post #2. Guys, I'm back. 11 00:00:49,900 --> 00:00:52,860 Wait, who is this guy? I know where I haven't seen you 12 00:00:52,900 --> 00:00:54,700 in. Forever. 13 00:00:54,700 --> 00:00:57,980 This guy just pulls up in my apartment some random Tuesday 14 00:00:57,980 --> 00:00:59,700 evening. What the fuck? 15 00:00:59,900 --> 00:01:01,940 It's funny because I haven't seen Clark in like. 16 00:01:03,080 --> 00:01:06,520 Yeah, much, much longer. And he's gotten a snazzy haircut 17 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:08,440 since I last saw. Hell yeah, baby. 18 00:01:08,440 --> 00:01:11,520 Long hair Clark is gone. That is what's new about you. 19 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:15,120 I was like, I couldn't put my finger on it. 20 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:18,960 Like I, I, I Yeah, this is the first time I noticed. 21 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:23,640 Wow, we live together. To be fair. 22 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:26,600 Yeah, to be fair, you're a guy, you don't pay attention to 23 00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:29,320 things like cutting off 6 inches of hair. 24 00:01:29,720 --> 00:01:32,640 Well, I guess like I'm not really examining your hair per 25 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:34,880 se. Like I all the information I get 26 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:36,520 from your face. You know this guy calls me 27 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:38,760 Hands. I think you look more like your 28 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:41,880 Pitum logo version of you now, yeah, than you did before. 29 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:43,440 Yeah, 'cause I had the, I had the long hair. 30 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:45,160 It was like down to my shoulders nearly. 31 00:01:45,160 --> 00:01:47,760 Yeah, yeah, now you look a lot like your logo. 32 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:50,200 Down to your shoulders. Just about, yeah. 33 00:01:50,200 --> 00:01:51,600 Like, really? Yeah. 34 00:01:51,600 --> 00:01:54,000 Like at least down to like. It would it would curl but like 35 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:57,400 if I if I like straightened it, it would hit my shoulder. 36 00:01:57,400 --> 00:02:00,720 Oh, OK, so if I see your hair in a way I've never seen it before, 37 00:02:00,720 --> 00:02:02,600 yeah, it'd be to your, to your shoulders. 38 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:04,320 All right, buddy. All right, buddy. 39 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:07,600 Well, so she'd be gone so long. Clark, you, you went to London? 40 00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:10,520 I didn't get a chance to ask Joel last episode how London 41 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:13,200 went for him, but how did London slash Europe go for you? 42 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:18,080 I came, I saw, I commanded. Fucking conquered baby. 43 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:20,160 I played nothing but side events. 44 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:23,640 I spent a lot of money to play in those side events, but I made 45 00:02:23,640 --> 00:02:28,680 a lot of money mostly through tickets, which I turned around 46 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:32,640 into a cold foil gold token for my victor. 47 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:34,800 We're so back, A. Little bit of preparation for 48 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:40,440 high seas too. And the oversized extended art. 49 00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:43,960 New command and conquer. The big oversized command and 50 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:45,400 conquer. If you were watching the live 51 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:48,440 stream, this was the one. The guy behind the counter told 52 00:02:48,440 --> 00:02:51,960 me that this was the oversized card that they took onto the 53 00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:54,160 stage to celebrate Pablo Pintour winning. 54 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:57,200 Like when all of Team Sunflower jumped onto the stage and one of 55 00:02:57,200 --> 00:03:01,200 them was jumping around with the big C and CI have that C&C card. 56 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:02,560 That's kind of insane. Right. 57 00:03:03,320 --> 00:03:06,120 Oh, I really wanted to get Pablo to sign it, but he left before I 58 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:09,280 could catch him. Dude go celebrate your fucking 59 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:11,080 win. Like, massive, massive 60 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:13,040 accomplishment. The goat does goat things. 61 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:16,680 He does not need to consult with us totally. 62 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:20,840 I understand why he is the final boss in the Knight of the 63 00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:26,600 Armory. Yeah, London was absolutely 64 00:03:26,600 --> 00:03:28,920 wonderful. Everyone has already said it's a 65 00:03:28,920 --> 00:03:31,120 lot of fun to travel. It's especially fun to travel to 66 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:34,360 a place that has a different culture that is close enough to 67 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:36,960 your own that you don't feel super out of place. 68 00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:38,160 You know? It's nice. 69 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:42,840 Everyone was speaking English, but at PT London it just felt 70 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:45,000 like one big giant Armory. Wow. 71 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:48,720 Like I was constantly meeting new people from new places. 72 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:51,960 I want to give a couple of shout outs to some people I met. 73 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:55,720 Omar was an awesome opponent I met at the end of the event. 74 00:03:55,720 --> 00:03:58,960 He was my third round in the final sink below sealed event 75 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:02,200 right before everything ended on Sunday. 76 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:05,520 Extremely kind dude. Weird fucking deck. 77 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:11,400 He had like 6D reacts in haunted sealed as Arachne and I'm like 78 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:13,600 how do you have so many fucking D reacts? 79 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:17,279 How did you open this mini? And he goes, I have one attack 80 00:04:17,279 --> 00:04:19,120 reaction. I'm like you're fucking insane 81 00:04:19,519 --> 00:04:22,960 dude. Steve was an awesome Aurora 82 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:24,720 player. I played on the very first day 83 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:29,280 we had a crazy close victor Aurora game that I won through 84 00:04:29,280 --> 00:04:33,840 some really bad gold breaks and then I just threw like E strike 85 00:04:33,840 --> 00:04:39,000 for seven and he goes well I have 3 instance in hand guess I 86 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:43,520 lose and I'm like no that's such a sad way for this game to end. 87 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:46,480 He was an awesome opponent though, so great to play 88 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:51,000 against. Antonis was a Greek player who I 89 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:54,600 think was living in London, so talking to him was super 90 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:58,760 awesome. Paige was this exceptionally 91 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:02,640 gregarious British girl who was so welcoming and wonderful, said 92 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:05,120 hello to me every single time she saw me. 93 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:10,800 Her and her whole friend group, her partner, exceptionally kind 94 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:16,320 people really, really made me feel welcomed and, and I think 95 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:20,320 that's awesome. I want to try to have her energy 96 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:22,520 the next time there's a really big event in SoCal. 97 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:25,520 Just the way that it's constantly recognizing people 98 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:29,120 and saying hello. And finally, the biggest shout 99 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:32,240 out goes to Martin on the very last day. 100 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:37,280 I am standing in line to get some cards signed and someone 101 00:05:37,280 --> 00:05:39,480 starts sort of hovering around and I'm chatting with the people 102 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:42,280 in line. And then this very nervous guy 103 00:05:42,280 --> 00:05:45,880 kind of walks up to me and he goes, excuse me, are you from 104 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:49,480 the famous podcast? I recognize your voice. 105 00:05:49,920 --> 00:05:51,760 And my heart fucking melted, dude. 106 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:54,080 This guy was so shy to come up and say hello to me. 107 00:05:54,080 --> 00:05:56,000 Martin, you don't need to be shy, man. 108 00:05:56,640 --> 00:05:58,440 Thank you so much for listening to the podcast. 109 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:01,280 One of our OG listeners back in the days when we were getting 110 00:06:01,280 --> 00:06:04,880 like 20 views, he was like I remember when you guys designed 111 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:07,680 The Alchemist class. Wow, right. 112 00:06:08,840 --> 00:06:10,360 And I was thinking about it a little bit more. 113 00:06:10,440 --> 00:06:12,880 We were really excited about having an international 114 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:14,400 listener. I think that was Martin. 115 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:16,920 I think like from way back, like we're like, Oh my God, we have a 116 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:19,560 viewer in. I think it was London and also 117 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:21,600 Australia. But yeah, I'm pretty sure one of 118 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:23,640 them was Martin. Absolutely. 119 00:06:23,640 --> 00:06:26,720 Martin was also like, I'm a really big competitive player, 120 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:30,080 but for some reason I love your podcast and like engaging in the 121 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:33,040 game in a different way. It absolutely melted. 122 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:37,480 My Martin was so shy and so sweet and absolutely a highlight 123 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:40,600 of my trip and my tournament. Martin, you're awesome. 124 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:42,440 Massive fucking shout outs to you, buddy. 125 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:44,800 And if you're listening to this on your shitty train ride, I 126 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:46,880 hope you get off and it's not raining wherever you are. 127 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:48,680 Yeah, I hope. I hope it is. 128 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:52,000 Clear skies and a nice night. That sounds so fun. 129 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:55,360 Yeah. He called our podcast famous, I 130 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:57,840 don't think. So, right, I don't think so 131 00:06:57,920 --> 00:06:59,480 either. I don't think anyone told Barton 132 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:04,120 the moment we start putting our faces on our videos, right. 133 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:06,680 Like the moment that we get a video camera in here, I feel 134 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:09,160 like that's the next step. Yeah. 135 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:11,400 I'll be so famous in Socal. Yeah. 136 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:15,120 LSS will finally be like, oh, these people are humans. 137 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:19,000 Maybe they should get we're not really good AI. 138 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:23,640 We're people, Yeah. I think I do want to mention one 139 00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:26,280 thing about one of my life updates. 140 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:27,760 It's just that I've started working again. 141 00:07:27,760 --> 00:07:29,400 I've got a long term sub assignment. 142 00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:32,080 I've talked about this on the podcast before, I think so for 143 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:34,280 some reason. Because, you know, it's been 144 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:36,040 coming up for a while. Yeah, so so. 145 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:39,200 Like April, Joel was super busy with his work and while that was 146 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:41,480 all going on, we were recording all these early episodes. 147 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:44,000 Fuzzy was like. So guess what? 148 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:49,320 Like I'm going to be working full time and then also tutoring 149 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:53,160 and then because I'm doing like teaching, basically, even though 150 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:55,600 it's a substitute teaching, I'm gonna be grading during the my 151 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:57,360 free time. So I'm not gonna have any free 152 00:07:57,360 --> 00:07:58,480 time. I'm not gonna be playing much 153 00:07:58,480 --> 00:07:59,760 fab. I'll try to go to some 154 00:07:59,760 --> 00:08:01,800 tournaments on the weekends, but it's gonna be hard for me to go 155 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:04,800 to armories and it's gonna be hard for me to edit podcasts. 156 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:07,320 So you 2 are gonna have to pick up the slack. 157 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:11,360 You're gonna see a lot of Clark and Joel in the bottom of our 158 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:13,520 description. And I learned how to video edit 159 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:14,400 finally. Yeah. 160 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:16,040 So I'm really excited about that. 161 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:18,000 Gonna start, you know, stepping up to the plate. 162 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:19,520 We learn in life skills over here. 163 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:23,400 So true in the apocalypse, no one's going to see me coming 164 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:27,000 with my video editor. And I'm going to be doing this 165 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:30,160 long term substitute teaching right up until Nats. 166 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:33,679 So if you see me at Nats, you could say, hey Fuzzy, Congrats 167 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:36,919 on not having to work every day anymore. 168 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:40,840 Yeah. So for today's episode, we 169 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:44,680 described it as the complex relationship between players and 170 00:08:44,680 --> 00:08:47,280 the Living Legends system, which is a whole lot of nothing. 171 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:52,120 But some really big stuff happened in the FAB scene 172 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:55,760 recently, most notably Zen and Enigma LLD. 173 00:08:55,760 --> 00:08:59,800 We just last episode we did the Zen Living Legend episode with 174 00:08:59,800 --> 00:09:02,320 Aurora. Also, Aurora, thank you so much 175 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:04,920 for filling in and doing the episode. 176 00:09:04,920 --> 00:09:07,240 Yeah, Aurora the player. Yeah, on our last episode. 177 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:08,240 Yeah, not Aurora, the. Hero. 178 00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:12,360 Yeah, Aurora from flesh and bad. Yeah, cuz I like Aurora the the 179 00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:13,800 person. Aurora the hero? 180 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:15,040 Not so much. Yeah, Yeah, yeah. 181 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:18,720 So we've already talked about that, but and these 182 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:22,400 conversations about these two heroes Elling about Aurora's 183 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:26,200 impending Living Legend has brought up a lot of other 184 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:29,960 conversations about like constructed products about the 185 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:33,040 competitive scene and like how quickly heroes should be hitting 186 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:36,400 Living Legend. And there's just so, so much to 187 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:40,520 talk about that this is almost like a smorgasbord episode with 188 00:09:40,560 --> 00:09:42,760 all the different aspects that we're trying to bring in. 189 00:09:42,760 --> 00:09:46,040 This is a really multi faceted issue that we want to look at 190 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:49,720 from a lot of different angles. It's not as simple as well. 191 00:09:49,720 --> 00:09:52,040 Zoom was really broken. It'd be a little too fast. 192 00:09:52,040 --> 00:09:54,760 It like it it doesn't get into it nearly enough. 193 00:09:54,760 --> 00:09:57,400 So over the course of this episode, hopefully we will be 194 00:09:57,400 --> 00:10:00,680 able to dive into those different facets and try to give 195 00:10:00,680 --> 00:10:07,320 you guys a nice multi angled view of this discussion, but it 196 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:09,880 brings up conversations of a lot of other things. 197 00:10:09,880 --> 00:10:12,440 So for our red pitch, we're going to be talking about 198 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:15,120 constructed products and how that ties into this. 199 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:17,920 And yellow pitch we're going to be going over the competitive 200 00:10:17,920 --> 00:10:21,960 scene in general and sort of how that ties and connects all this 201 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:23,760 together. And in Blue Pitch, we're going 202 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:27,840 to be very explicitly tackling living legend speed and how 203 00:10:27,840 --> 00:10:30,560 quickly that should be happening and what are the different 204 00:10:30,560 --> 00:10:35,320 factors that go into it. So let's go ahead, not waste any 205 00:10:35,320 --> 00:10:38,600 more time, jump into Red Pitch with Joel. 206 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:41,920 Joel, what do you have for us? All right, for red pitch, I 207 00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:44,880 wanted to talk about the constructed products and how 208 00:10:44,880 --> 00:10:47,920 they are some of the biggest proponents in how fast heroes 209 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:50,000 can LL. We're also going to be covering 210 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:53,400 the concept of the product pipeline, which is the first 211 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:56,840 strike decks and the Armory decks that release in tandem 212 00:10:56,840 --> 00:11:01,280 with Rosetta and how that's impacting not only Aurora's LL 213 00:11:01,280 --> 00:11:03,800 speed but also heroes in the future. 214 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:08,360 And one example of a hero that was on the same path as Aurora 215 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:11,040 Once Upon a time. So for the first strike deck, 216 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:15,840 these are the introductory products that include Aurora and 217 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:19,440 Terra as the main heroes. And it's basically 2 blitz 218 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:23,680 decks, and it's designed to be able to introduce new players 219 00:11:23,680 --> 00:11:25,880 really easily. Like sort of like blitz decks, 220 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:28,200 but like blitz decks plus I guess. 221 00:11:29,560 --> 00:11:31,200 Yeah, they're not really that different from the Blitz decks 222 00:11:31,200 --> 00:11:32,720 at all. They just were marketed as like 223 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:36,120 the best new player experience in Flesh and Blood. 224 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:38,800 Yeah, they definitely have some differences. 225 00:11:40,560 --> 00:11:43,520 Mainly I think they're better designed than the blitz decks 226 00:11:43,520 --> 00:11:48,040 personally, and they have brand new cards in them. 227 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:51,640 These products highlights the brand new heroes with unique 228 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:56,040 card inclusions and I'll start up with like the Lightning Flow 229 00:11:56,040 --> 00:11:57,960 cards. These are all cards that benefit 230 00:11:57,960 --> 00:12:00,800 from you playing a Lightning card ahead of time to get a 231 00:12:00,800 --> 00:12:03,880 bonus effect. And I think Sizzle is probably 232 00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:06,960 the most remarkable one. That was I think one of the few 233 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:11,520 cards that saw in addition to Static Shock that saw pro play. 234 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:15,680 And I think Clark, you specifically mentioned how this 235 00:12:15,680 --> 00:12:18,760 is actually problematic for a little bit because the only way 236 00:12:18,760 --> 00:12:21,400 you could get this card was through the 1st strike decks and 237 00:12:21,400 --> 00:12:24,200 that created this weird supply issue of people wanting to play 238 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:28,640 full Power Aurora for a moment. Yeah, I mean, Aurora right out 239 00:12:28,640 --> 00:12:32,040 the gate was the strong aggro hero and Rosetta and strong 240 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:34,640 aggro room Blades. People want to play those. 241 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:38,280 It's a very popular archetype and so there was a lot of 242 00:12:38,280 --> 00:12:40,520 interest in Aurora. A lot of people wanted to play 243 00:12:40,520 --> 00:12:42,640 Aurora. To play Aurora, you needed 244 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:48,200 Sizzle and or Static Shock and that meant that you needed to 245 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:50,680 buy the first strike deck. Specifically, you needed to buy 246 00:12:50,680 --> 00:12:53,320 at least two first strike decks to get your play set of three 247 00:12:53,320 --> 00:12:58,160 for classic constructed, and that means established players 248 00:12:58,640 --> 00:13:03,840 are buying not 1-2 of the starter decks and then stripping 249 00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:07,200 them for parts in a way that renders that deck no longer 250 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:09,960 capable of fulfilling its purpose as a learner deck. 251 00:13:11,080 --> 00:13:14,200 It probably really helped to move those products in a way 252 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:18,720 that LSS I'm sure wanted because learner products typically don't 253 00:13:18,720 --> 00:13:22,040 always sell great. So I understand why they wanted 254 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:24,720 to put something in there to help move the product off the 255 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:28,840 shelves, but I think it created a really big supply issue from 256 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:32,720 the early bits. Yeah, I think we're already 257 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:36,360 seeing that tension in how hard it is to design products 258 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:38,920 specifically for new players. And by already, I mean in the 259 00:13:38,920 --> 00:13:43,760 episode like this is like our first bullet point and it's hard 260 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:46,640 for LSS to say, hey, like we only want new players to buy 261 00:13:46,640 --> 00:13:49,440 this because why would they make a product literally for people 262 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:50,640 who have never bought fab before? 263 00:13:50,640 --> 00:13:53,080 Doesn't that seem kind of risky? You know, like by definition. 264 00:13:53,680 --> 00:13:56,120 So it makes sense that they'd want some reason for established 265 00:13:56,120 --> 00:13:57,960 players to buy it. But it always feels weird. 266 00:13:57,960 --> 00:14:00,800 And like, why do I have to go out and buy this pre con and 267 00:14:00,800 --> 00:14:04,720 specifically pay 20 bucks for a pre con that might not exist a 268 00:14:04,720 --> 00:14:06,640 year from now when I want to pick up the hero? 269 00:14:06,640 --> 00:14:08,680 You know, like I had this issue with Florian. 270 00:14:08,760 --> 00:14:11,120 Nobody has the tarot decks anymore because those decks came 271 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:17,000 out like months ago and and I want the Florian cards because 272 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:18,840 no one was really caring about them before. 273 00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:23,800 So it's already a little bit controversial just to print 274 00:14:23,800 --> 00:14:26,200 these very playable cards in these first strike decks. 275 00:14:26,920 --> 00:14:28,840 Yeah. And we've talked about how 276 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:32,600 Aurora and her popularity has directly impacted the 277 00:14:32,600 --> 00:14:34,920 availability of the Aurora first strike deck. 278 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:39,040 But Tara also released with some really good Earth cards, not so 279 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:41,280 much the Earth Bond cards. I don't think any of those have 280 00:14:41,280 --> 00:14:46,200 seen really big play patterns and CC yet, but thrive and 281 00:14:46,200 --> 00:14:49,240 flourish I think our cards that we'll maybe see play in the 282 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:51,960 future when we get more earth heroes that care about buffing 283 00:14:51,960 --> 00:14:56,040 attacks in a unique way. So far fluorine, inadvertence 284 00:14:56,040 --> 00:14:59,640 have been more arcane focused and Yarl I think only cares 285 00:14:59,640 --> 00:15:01,960 about like felling of the crown and plow under. 286 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:05,120 So those cards I don't think are seeing their full potential yet. 287 00:15:05,560 --> 00:15:09,800 But even just Canopy shelter, the two block blue card that 288 00:15:09,800 --> 00:15:11,400 generates a might token on defense. 289 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:14,480 That card, I know for a fact was used in very early Florian 290 00:15:14,480 --> 00:15:17,240 builds. And now that there's been talks 291 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:20,640 about him being one of the best decks in format, you can already 292 00:15:20,640 --> 00:15:23,440 imagine people are going to be fighting for these first strike 293 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:25,200 decks if they're even still around. 294 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:28,120 And more so the canopy shelters that come in these first strike 295 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:30,560 decks. Definitely Next I want to talk 296 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:34,760 about the Armory decks, which again, it's a great upgrade path 297 00:15:34,760 --> 00:15:38,040 for Aurora specifically because if you're a new player, you go 298 00:15:38,040 --> 00:15:42,000 for a first strike to the to the Armory deck. 299 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:44,760 You get all the specializations, you get some new armor and you 300 00:15:44,760 --> 00:15:47,200 get to combine all these powerful cards into one deck. 301 00:15:47,960 --> 00:15:50,560 It's a useful stand alone product for new players because 302 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:54,480 you also get you can go directly into the Armory deck if for some 303 00:15:54,480 --> 00:15:56,240 reason you weren't able to get the first strike deck, and 304 00:15:56,240 --> 00:15:59,280 there's probably better inclusions in the Armory deck 305 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:04,000 than just the first strike deck. Yeah, classic CC staples like 306 00:16:04,760 --> 00:16:10,440 Snatch just alone right or full three card play sets right of 307 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:13,800 Sizzle and Static Shock, making it much better for experienced 308 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:17,200 players to grab, which I did. I was like, I'm not going to buy 309 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:19,480 the first right deck for Aurora, but the moment the Armory deck 310 00:16:19,480 --> 00:16:22,040 came out, I go, I go in, there we go. 311 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:25,640 That's what I want. And with some powerful reprints 312 00:16:25,640 --> 00:16:29,320 like art like Arc Lightning, Burn Up Shock, and also the new 313 00:16:29,320 --> 00:16:32,800 card Skyward Serenade and Skizzics like this was a pretty 314 00:16:32,800 --> 00:16:35,080 strong product for CC players as well. 315 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:39,560 However, not all Armory decks are created equal like this. 316 00:16:39,720 --> 00:16:43,160 I think the strength of the heroes that are being printed in 317 00:16:43,160 --> 00:16:45,160 the Armory decks is still being figured out. 318 00:16:45,920 --> 00:16:49,920 I think the use case scenarios for these Armory decks are still 319 00:16:50,360 --> 00:16:53,720 being figured out. Like we've seen both KO and 320 00:16:53,720 --> 00:16:57,760 Aurora were already strong in the meta and in popular and 321 00:16:57,760 --> 00:17:00,520 probably the best decks in the format when they got their 322 00:17:00,520 --> 00:17:05,160 Armory deck and this Armory deck product pushed them over the the 323 00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:08,000 edge. And I think skyrocket KO to like 324 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:11,200 600 living legend points. And I think Aurora is about to 325 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:13,760 speed run this living legend process as well. 326 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:16,160 So we know how powerful these decks can be. 327 00:17:16,560 --> 00:17:19,800 Conversely, with Bolton and Max, Bolton was released around the 328 00:17:19,800 --> 00:17:23,200 same time as K OS and Max was released around the same time as 329 00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:28,880 Aurora, and so far I don't think either of those products really 330 00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:32,280 made a big splash in playability or viability for any of those 331 00:17:32,280 --> 00:17:34,440 heroes. Yeah, back when we talked about 332 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:37,440 Armory decks when they were first announced, we mentioned 333 00:17:37,440 --> 00:17:41,600 how the kale one was kind of a gamble and how we've seen the 334 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:45,760 Armory deck sort of used as two different things. 1 is the new 335 00:17:45,760 --> 00:17:48,320 player situation with the KO and the Aurora. 336 00:17:48,560 --> 00:17:51,280 Hey, let's give the new players a good strong hero who's good in 337 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:55,000 the meta right now. Or a way of printing support 338 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:57,560 when they when it's awkward to find another way of giving 339 00:17:57,560 --> 00:18:00,640 support to the hero. Yeah, and with KO's Armory deck, 340 00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:04,840 we saw how with the inclusion of Savage Sash, his aggressive 341 00:18:05,520 --> 00:18:09,760 capabilities were a lot better. And that made his legality come 342 00:18:09,760 --> 00:18:11,240 into question because we are worried. 343 00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:15,360 Oh, if there's no set that comes in and releases heroes to deal 344 00:18:15,360 --> 00:18:18,760 with this hero, we could easily see Kale living Legend within 345 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:22,360 six months. And that wasn't the case because 346 00:18:23,040 --> 00:18:25,280 a more powerful set, more powerful heroes came into the 347 00:18:25,280 --> 00:18:28,240 format and sort of dwarfed him in power. 348 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:31,440 But we're not seeing the same way or that same impact with 349 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:33,800 Aurora. See, she seems like she's going 350 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:36,400 to take this Armory deck and make it all the way, which would 351 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:40,680 make it the first Armory deck that is no longer legal to use 352 00:18:40,680 --> 00:18:42,880 in in CC. Yeah, it's kind of a nightmare 353 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:45,360 situation, right? We have these Aurora decks that 354 00:18:45,360 --> 00:18:47,520 are probably like, there's probably still some on the shelf 355 00:18:47,520 --> 00:18:49,480 somewhere and. Probably. 356 00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:52,640 Almost definitely, yeah. And if a player wants like comes 357 00:18:52,640 --> 00:18:55,240 up to the count and like, hey, I'm interested in this deck, 358 00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:57,800 maybe even it's a store where they don't know that much about 359 00:18:57,800 --> 00:19:00,600 Fab because Fab is still kind of a dark horse a little bit where 360 00:19:00,600 --> 00:19:04,080 like a lot of LGSS don't know that much about the game. 361 00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:07,120 And they're like, Oh yeah, sure, here's a copy of the deck and 362 00:19:07,120 --> 00:19:09,080 then they open set up and then they go with an Armory and 363 00:19:09,080 --> 00:19:13,040 everyone's like, that hero is not legal in the format that 364 00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:15,120 that deck is meant to be printed into. 365 00:19:15,720 --> 00:19:19,360 You cannot play that hero. You just spend 50 bucks on 366 00:19:19,360 --> 00:19:21,240 nothing. Or like, I guess a little bit 367 00:19:21,240 --> 00:19:23,640 more ideal quote UN quote situation is the store just 368 00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:25,680 can't sell copies of this deck, you know? 369 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:30,000 Yeah, ideal. Essentially, they would have to 370 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:32,640 strip it for parts and hope that Aurora is a force in living 371 00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:34,400 legend. And they can, they can move 372 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:36,760 those singles, right, Right. Yeah. 373 00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:44,080 So it creates this weird dynamic with LSS and its LGS because LGS 374 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:47,040 is be able to sell these products, especially when early 375 00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:51,000 on like KO Armory decks were going for like 7080, even $100 376 00:19:51,280 --> 00:19:54,000 now for these staples in the deck. 377 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:57,840 And also it's scarcity. And now this Armory deck for 378 00:19:57,840 --> 00:19:59,720 Aurora is just going to be completely useless. 379 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:03,600 And LSS has to sort of deal with the fact that these LG s s are 380 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:06,240 going to be hurting in terms of like the revenue that they've 381 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:07,880 sunk into buying these decks. Yeah. 382 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:11,040 And to focus on the new player thing, it's even worse for the 383 00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:13,960 first strike deck because those are meant to be paired. 384 00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:17,640 You can only buy them in pairs. You can't buy just the Terra 385 00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:20,560 deck and just the Aurora deck from the as an LGS. 386 00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:22,680 Yeah, yeah. Yeah, you have to buy them 387 00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:26,920 together, but now the Tara deck is the only one that's going to 388 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:29,320 continue. I guess Aurora is still legal in 389 00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:35,440 Blitz, which probably helps that a little bit, but the classic 390 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:38,400 constructed is the premier format and there now there is 391 00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:42,640 nowhere to go with that Aurora first rank deck outside of 392 00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:44,400 Blitz. Then you have to make the 393 00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:47,600 massive jump to Living Legend and all the legendaries that you 394 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:50,280 need to be spending to compete in that, and all the banned 395 00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:52,280 cards that you need to be buying to compete in that. 396 00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:56,360 Yeah. So they're I think the formula 397 00:20:56,360 --> 00:20:59,680 for the regular army decks is still being tweaked. 398 00:20:59,920 --> 00:21:02,080 And just to, like, state it really directly, because this is 399 00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:05,000 the theme of the episode. The problem is printing Armory 400 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:07,840 decks for heroes that have a risk of hitting Living Legend. 401 00:21:08,120 --> 00:21:10,880 Yeah, that's the tension. The last thing I want to talk 402 00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:13,400 about is the Living Legend Armory deck that was just 403 00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:19,320 spoiled at the Pro Tour London. I was there literally, and I 404 00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:22,160 think the biggest question I have is like just how many 405 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:25,400 reprints can you add to a product like this before it 406 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:29,160 becomes unreasonable? I would say not only in terms of 407 00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:31,560 how much you're going to make the product cost, but how much 408 00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:34,160 you're going to tank the value of of the cards that you're 409 00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:37,320 reprinting or if you have any reprints at all, then what's the 410 00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:41,640 point of the product? Yeah, if you print a bunch of 411 00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:44,760 brand new cards, we've already seen the Helms. 412 00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:48,640 I don't know exactly if they've stated that those are the only 413 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:53,440 brand new cards, those two head pieces, but I know that they've 414 00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:56,400 said that those two at least will be appearing in the next 415 00:21:56,400 --> 00:22:00,400 season of gem packs, which will help players get ahold of it. 416 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:03,000 But yeah, are they going to put Grasp in this deck? 417 00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:06,600 Spellbound Creepers. That's like hundreds of dollars 418 00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:10,360 worth of card value. I guess it's a convention only 419 00:22:10,360 --> 00:22:14,000 product so it's going to be hard for people to get a hold of. 420 00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:16,800 I could see them do Bloodsheath Scaletta and kind of leave it at 421 00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:18,200 that. I think like if you're going to 422 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:21,520 do LL Viscerae, you know you need the scaletta, yeah. 423 00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:24,080 But like is it going to have Vexing Quilham then? 424 00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:27,200 And is that good enough to take to like a living legend Armory 425 00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:30,240 or skirmish? The I think the biggest factor 426 00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:34,560 here is like LSS has to infer sort of what's relevant in the 427 00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:37,720 in legend meta. So you have to not only include 428 00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:41,400 reprints of like cards that Versar even wants to play, but 429 00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:43,840 the specific place I live in legend because it was much 430 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:48,600 different than what Viceroy was when he LLD in the Rosetta 431 00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:50,280 season or in the Haunted season. Excuse me? 432 00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:54,560 And not only that, but like Clark was saying, because this 433 00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:57,760 is only available at conventions, this probably means 434 00:22:57,760 --> 00:23:00,440 you're never going to be able to use it at a Armory level. 435 00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:04,400 Like I don't think anybody even runs like regular Living Legend 436 00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:08,360 armories except in preparation for a skirmish season or maybe 437 00:23:08,360 --> 00:23:10,960 like the one of Living Legend calling that happens. 438 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:14,880 You know what I mean? So already you have less use 439 00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:18,120 cases for this product. And I think I'm really worried 440 00:23:18,120 --> 00:23:21,360 about the number of repents, if any, in in this deck. 441 00:23:21,360 --> 00:23:24,760 Just a lot of floating factors here. 442 00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:28,520 Yeah, it's it's a cool product. And by them making it convention 443 00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:33,600 only, it definitely makes me less concerned about it, like 444 00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:36,360 having an impact in the wider meta, which kind of makes this a 445 00:23:36,360 --> 00:23:38,600 little tangential to the overall episode. 446 00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:42,200 But it's important to bring up because now these Living Legend 447 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:46,440 Armory decks kind of creates another step on that pathway. 448 00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:49,240 Yeah, right. If they create an Aurora Living 449 00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:53,080 Legend Armory deck and then like, OK, now like that, there's 450 00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:55,600 a complete pipeline. It's like, here's your beginner 451 00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:58,760 First Strike Blitz deck, here's your classic Constructed Armory 452 00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:01,520 deck, and now here's your Living Legend deck. 453 00:24:02,360 --> 00:24:05,960 Yeah, which also like I'm it makes me wonder if they're gonna 454 00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:10,680 start incorporating more living Legends format events because 455 00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:12,480 why else would you make this product? 456 00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:17,080 No ones asking for a prison living legend deck if it's not 457 00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:19,920 like creating more cards to play specifically living Legend. 458 00:24:20,120 --> 00:24:25,480 I'm sure some people are asking for it, but I don't think we 459 00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:28,440 know those people and I don't. Think they're very loud in the 460 00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:29,800 scene right now. Yeah. 461 00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:32,520 And also like, are these cards that are going to be printed in 462 00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:36,040 the Living Legend Armory deck going to be legal in CCI? 463 00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:38,840 Think that's also like a point of or something that I would be 464 00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:40,840 curious about. It doesn't specifically say it's 465 00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:43,920 going to be for that format only, but I think it's 466 00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:45,600 open-ended enough to bring it up. 467 00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:50,040 One thing I want to bring up in this pitch before we move on is 468 00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:54,440 that when you make recons these preconstructed products for 469 00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:57,760 players, it gives them a reason to play that hero that can be an 470 00:24:57,760 --> 00:24:59,600 established player, that can be a new player. 471 00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:03,320 But like we've seen people pick up the Aurora Armory deck and we 472 00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:05,600 have more Auroras that are locals and I'm sure that 473 00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:07,960 something happening around the world, around the country. 474 00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:11,760 And when you have more players playing that hero, it is going 475 00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:14,840 to LL faster because you have more players bringing it and 476 00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:17,560 registering it to tournaments and more players winning that 477 00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:19,520 tournaments. I will grant that in Flesh and 478 00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:22,680 blood, it tends to be that the best players with the best 479 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:25,240 heroes are the ones that are getting the Living Legend points 480 00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:27,040 because you have to be that number one slot. 481 00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:30,840 But I think there's still some factor here that like just by 482 00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:33,800 printing an Armory deck, there is going to be more Living 483 00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:35,760 Legend points for that hero to some extent. 484 00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:41,480 I think if I'm right here, then Max will see some points across 485 00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:44,440 Proquest season because he just got an Armory deck and we just 486 00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:47,000 had a Proquest season. And I could easily be very 487 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:48,800 wrong. And he'll get like little to no 488 00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:51,040 like. Yeah. 489 00:25:51,120 --> 00:25:53,880 L points. And how much of that is due to 490 00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:57,640 this narrative of people are picking up and playing the deck 491 00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:00,360 simply because it's available, and how much of it is due to 492 00:26:00,360 --> 00:26:03,320 Joel's point of, like, an injection of power? 493 00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:04,120 Yeah. Yeah. 494 00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:06,640 And it's hard to measure that. In fact, I would argue that 495 00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:09,800 there is no measurement because both of them would rely on the 496 00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:12,560 same metric of Armory deck sales. 497 00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:16,400 If the Armory deck sells, that means that the power was well 498 00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:19,280 received or the hero fantasy is well received. 499 00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:22,040 Both of them would lead to more people entering into 500 00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:25,440 tournaments, and both of them would lead both narratives. 501 00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:28,560 Would also lead to more people winning events. 502 00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:31,000 It's impossible to divorce the 2. 503 00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:33,720 And part of the reason I bring this up is to show how hard it 504 00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:37,720 is for LSS to decide whether it's good to print this Armory 505 00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:39,120 deck. You know, because they're not 506 00:26:39,120 --> 00:26:41,920 just looking at like, is Aurora going to hit Living Legend soon? 507 00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:45,080 It's also like is she going to hit Living Legend once I print 508 00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:47,320 this Armory deck then will it be too late You know? 509 00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:50,840 Yeah, so that's pretty much everything I had to talk about 510 00:26:51,120 --> 00:26:53,960 in red pitch. If you, the listener, have any 511 00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:57,160 thoughts about what these Armory decks mean for either the Living 512 00:26:57,160 --> 00:27:00,680 Legend speed or the availability of product, anything like that, 513 00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:04,200 feel free to leave a comment in our YouTube or come to the 514 00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:06,520 Discord and let us know. But I think I'm just going to 515 00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:09,400 pass off the pitch to Fuzzy. What do you got for us? 516 00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:12,080 Thank you, Joel. In Yellow pitch, I want to talk 517 00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:15,080 about the competitive scene because this is something that 518 00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:18,320 ties very directly to living legend points and how quickly 519 00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:21,840 heroes hit it right. And I also want to gush a little 520 00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:24,760 bit about how much I like the competitive scene in Fab, how 521 00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:29,040 good it is and the steps that LSS has taken order to make sure 522 00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:32,120 that it has a good competitive scene that matters and that's 523 00:27:32,120 --> 00:27:37,040 enjoyable. So for a little bit of I want to 524 00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:41,240 paint a background here, I played magic for years, granted, 525 00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:43,320 like I was in my late teens, you know? 526 00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:45,600 Yeah, so we were high schoolers. Yeah, it's a little bit of a 527 00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:47,840 different vibe for sure. For college students. 528 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:53,880 But I went to a lot of Magic weeklies in stores, in multiple 529 00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:57,320 stores right across my like, time as a flush, as a Magic the 530 00:27:57,320 --> 00:28:00,720 Gathering player. And I don't remember a lot of 531 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:03,920 hearing people say like, oh, yeah, I'm grinding for this 532 00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:06,080 like, event. The other, I'm not going to 533 00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:08,680 travel to another state in order to play Magic the Gathering. 534 00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:11,440 And I'm practicing. I'm trying to get my reps in for 535 00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:13,280 that event. Like that was almost never a 536 00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:15,640 vibe that I found at any of our local stores. 537 00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:19,840 There would be like bigger tournaments, like they had game 538 00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:22,240 days, you know, like they'd have like bigger tournaments at the 539 00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:23,440 store. It was kind of just like a 540 00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:27,800 really big Friday night Magic, but I don't remember the vibe 541 00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:30,960 being that competitive. I don't remember people saying 542 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:36,040 things like, oh, the results of this tournament directly impact 543 00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:38,760 our Friday night Magic in the same way that I'm going to argue 544 00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:40,120 it does for flesh and blood. Yeah. 545 00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:41,800 So that's the background I want to paint here, is that we have 546 00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:44,080 something very special in flesh and blood. 547 00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:46,320 Yeah. Now I do want to know it used to 548 00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:51,600 magic scene in like the mid to mid 2000s to like early twenty 549 00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:55,560 10s, very, very popular. But when we got into it in like 550 00:28:55,760 --> 00:29:01,800 2014 roundabouts, Fuzzy, would you say 2014, 2015, definitely 551 00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:04,000 on the downturn. The competitive scene started 552 00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:05,960 being less of a priority for Wizards. 553 00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:09,440 I'd be very interested to hear people talk about experiences 554 00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:12,640 where Magic the Gathering had that level of competitive 555 00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:16,360 integration with their regular locals that I'm going to be 556 00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:18,800 talking about here. Definitely let me know in the 557 00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:21,640 comments if you had this similar experiences in any other game 558 00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:25,560 other than Flesh and Bled. But I want to point out that LSS 559 00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:29,040 is constantly sponsoring competitive seasons around the 560 00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:33,200 world that take place at local game stores as well as these big 561 00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:35,320 conventions. So at your local game stores you 562 00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:38,640 have like Road to Nationals, proquests, skirmishes. 563 00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:41,200 These are things that are happening multiple times a year. 564 00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:44,840 We had two or three skirmishes last year, multiple Proquest 565 00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:47,440 seasons. Yeah, it feels like they never 566 00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:49,240 end, right? It's just one after the other. 567 00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:51,360 It's like, hey, we're on Road to National seasons and you're 568 00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:53,960 like, wow, I grinded a lot for that. 569 00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:56,200 I played in some tournaments. That was some good flesh and 570 00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:57,920 blood. It's like, Oh yeah, Proquest 571 00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:00,320 season, bitch, get back in there. 572 00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:05,280 And the reason these are such a big deal is because when you're 573 00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:09,160 playing at your local armories, you are prepping for that event. 574 00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:12,760 That's relevant because when you're playing at your armories, 575 00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:15,680 most lots of players are prepping for those events. 576 00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:19,840 Even if I don't give a single shit about anything beyond my 577 00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:24,040 local Armory, my local Armory will have players that do care 578 00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:26,920 about those events and are trying to get those competitive 579 00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:30,600 reps in in order to practice and get warmed up for those Tier 2 580 00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:32,840 events like Road to Nationals and Pro Quests. 581 00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:39,920 So the competitive vibe leaks in from those huge international 582 00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:44,320 events to these local regionals like Road to Nationals and Pro 583 00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:48,680 Quests and into our armories. So even a player that is just 584 00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:50,800 kind of casual and looking to play once a week with their 585 00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:56,200 buddies is still incentivized to play a competitively tiered deck 586 00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:59,360 to have some level of strength in their deck that they can 587 00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:00,960 compete with at their local armories. 588 00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:03,640 And not all players are going to get swept up in that incentive. 589 00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:06,720 But I think it's there in a way that that other trading card 590 00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:08,720 games don't have. And that's part of what we mean 591 00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:10,720 when we say that Flesh and Blood is a competitive game. 592 00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:14,680 It's that that competitive spirit is there all year round 593 00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:18,280 and it's happening at locals and it's bleeding into every game of 594 00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:21,160 Flesh and Blood that you play. Yeah, this is tied into a lot of 595 00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:23,760 the conversations people have had about the pricing issue with 596 00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:26,880 Flesh and Blood, something we we've generally stayed away 597 00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:30,280 from, right? But like, decks are increasing 598 00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:32,920 in cost because I think more and more players are getting into 599 00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:36,800 the game and more and more players want these big powerful 600 00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:40,680 Majestics shelters. 80 bucks like knives is 120. 601 00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:44,280 Because people want them for their decks, because the people 602 00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:46,120 who are winning, their locals are playing them. 603 00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:50,600 And not everybody might want to pay $80.00 for a 04 defence 604 00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:53,760 reaction, but people will be pretty stoked to pull one. 605 00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:56,280 And if I pull one, I might just keep it because I will want it 606 00:31:56,280 --> 00:32:00,080 for my deck, you know, so when you're a new player and you're 607 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:03,600 trying to come into the game, you do really want to have a $50 608 00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:07,040 Armory deck that you can buy and roll up and like start like 609 00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:09,960 competing on some level with these other players that compete 610 00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:12,680 at a high level. Now we had an experience 611 00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:18,360 recently where part the missed fail is a set that has kind of 612 00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:20,400 swept up the entire competitive format. 613 00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:22,560 Zen was really strong on release. 614 00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:28,040 Enigma and new are also very like top tier heroes that are 615 00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:33,680 monsters at any local Armory. And we've heard where did we 616 00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:36,720 hear this information, Clark? But we've heard that LSS has 617 00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:41,000 wanted to make sure that this set was like powerful in some 618 00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:43,760 way to make sure that it did well in the Japanese market. 619 00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:47,920 It's like an open secret, like at no point in time has anyone 620 00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:52,640 from LSS ever stated we made Miss Fail powerful so that 621 00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:56,760 Japanese people would buy our new card game and the first set. 622 00:32:56,920 --> 00:33:02,160 No one has ever said that but it is right. 623 00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:05,280 Like that's why they did it. They want if they print an 624 00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:08,800 underpowered thing like bright lights, that's never breaking 625 00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:11,520 into the Japanese market. Hey, here's all these cards, by 626 00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:14,240 the way. They're not strong and you can't 627 00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:15,960 win international tournaments with them. 628 00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:18,840 And that's fucking true, actually, yeah. 629 00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:22,240 To your point, Joel, of flesh and blood players and 630 00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:24,920 competitive players, you want to print strong cards to get people 631 00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:27,800 into the game. Yeah, when you think of Japan as 632 00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:30,840 a new player, like, it makes sense that they would need to 633 00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:34,240 get a new player quickly into the game in order to be able to 634 00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:36,360 engage with this very competitive game 635 00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:38,400 internationally. And This is why a lot of people 636 00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:41,360 think they chose Aurora, because Aurora was performing very well, 637 00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:43,760 a strong simple agro hero and Rosetta. 638 00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:46,840 So why did they build this whole pipeline around her? 639 00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:51,200 Because she is a good strong beginning aggro player like. 640 00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:54,160 I think like Aurora specifically is also a little bit more 641 00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:57,440 nuanced because she's her play pattern lends itself really well 642 00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:00,320 to a new player. She's relatively consistent and 643 00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:02,000 straightforward, and that's great, you know? 644 00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:07,040 But also, yeah, she's strong. They want to give new players 645 00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:10,239 strong things so that they feel like they can enter in with them 646 00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:15,880 and compete with them. So that's the first big way in 647 00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:19,520 which Flesh and Blood has really ensured that their competitive 648 00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:23,320 scene is relevant to the entire community. 649 00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:26,800 The second big thing is their Living Legend system, which they 650 00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:29,360 planned on having in the game on day zero. 651 00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:33,560 This was their flashy way of trying to set Flesh and Blood 652 00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:36,320 apart from other games in that it's rotation system is 653 00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:40,000 different than others. A hero leaves the game not when 654 00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:43,880 it's two years old or never leaves the game, right? 655 00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:46,520 They leave when they've gotten enough tournament wins. 656 00:34:47,679 --> 00:34:51,800 Which means that when I'm going to my local Armory, I care about 657 00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:54,320 big tournaments and what happens at those tournaments because it 658 00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:55,880 determines what heroes are legal. 659 00:34:56,199 --> 00:34:59,320 Even if I don't play that hero, I don't want to know what I can 660 00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:02,200 expect to play against at my local Armory because that's like 661 00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:03,920 deck building, right? Like I need to know what I'm 662 00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:05,280 going to play against in order to beat them. 663 00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:08,400 Do I need? These weakest links because 664 00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:11,040 Asilio and Aurora are dominating the meta. 665 00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:16,400 Or can I not have to spend the $140.00 to get my place at a 666 00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:20,720 weakest link? Exactly the context of what's 667 00:35:20,720 --> 00:35:23,440 happening at World Championships, national 668 00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:28,240 championships, callings, pro tours, The entire community has 669 00:35:28,240 --> 00:35:31,800 their eyes on it collectively because one, they're fun to 670 00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:34,480 watch. But even more than that, it 671 00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:37,480 directly effects what's happening at an Armory level. 672 00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:40,920 And even if I'm playing at my kitchen table, like I need to 673 00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:44,200 know what's legal. So I have to have like at least 674 00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:47,520 a friend that knows what's going on in the like these big 675 00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:50,560 tournaments, right? I would love to find a little 676 00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:54,280 community like like a commune grabbed like a few sets of flesh 677 00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:57,120 and blood and they've like developed their own little meta. 678 00:35:57,240 --> 00:35:59,640 They have no clue what's going on outside. 679 00:35:59,880 --> 00:36:02,760 They don't get any like new cards from like one specific 680 00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:04,080 set, but they do from like another set. 681 00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:06,400 And it's like, what do those decks look like? 682 00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:09,720 How do they play flesh and? Blood like we have our local LL 683 00:36:09,720 --> 00:36:13,080 board like we just start fresh and then anytime somebody wins 684 00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:14,040 like. An Armory. 685 00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:17,320 Like on our kitchen table they get one point and then we can't 686 00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:21,000 play that here anymore like. Yeah, I really like the the 687 00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:23,600 relationship that we have with flesh and blood competitive 688 00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:25,720 events because like you said, you care about them all the 689 00:36:25,720 --> 00:36:27,000 time, even if you're not. Have. 690 00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:29,120 To have to. But it is really exciting. 691 00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:31,720 Conversely, with like Magic the Gathering, I think people are 692 00:36:31,720 --> 00:36:35,160 complaining about Naidu or or whatever that stupid bird was 693 00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:38,160 for how long? And you know, in flesh and 694 00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:41,040 blood. I'm glad that eventually the 695 00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:44,240 problematic hero will just literally correct itself. 696 00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:46,200 Yeah, I like the rotation system. 697 00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:48,520 Keeps it really interesting and it builds this whole narrow. 698 00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:53,240 So it's not like I will wait two years until Prism's no longer in 699 00:36:53,240 --> 00:36:56,160 the game. It's more like she's racing and 700 00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:58,200 she gets points and then she's slowing down. 701 00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:00,920 And like, like, think of Briar, who is so close to hitting 702 00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:03,560 Living Legend, and she has this entire narrative built around 703 00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:06,240 her just because she was on a spreadsheet. 704 00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:10,200 And her amount of time that she existed on the spreadsheet is 705 00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:12,800 exciting to all these players around the world. 706 00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:15,080 Yeah, like it's really kind of ingenious. 707 00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:20,240 And it's just goes to show how important competitive play is to 708 00:37:20,240 --> 00:37:23,960 every flesh and blood player. And it makes sense that flesh, 709 00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:27,280 that LSS would want to print competitively viable products, 710 00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:29,640 get people into the game. And there are these weird 711 00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:31,920 consequences that arise when they do that, you know. 712 00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:35,040 We already talked about pricing, but then there's also sitting 713 00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:37,880 down at your local Armory. One thing that I try to do is 714 00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:42,000 that whenever I go to an Armory, I bring an Armory deck, a fresh, 715 00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:45,480 out-of-the-box, unaltered Armory deck so that if a new player 716 00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:49,040 sits down and goes, I just spent $50 on this deck, I don't slam 717 00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:53,840 down my 1.3 K Aurora deck and like obliterate this poor soul 718 00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:58,800 because he has no AB. No, I'm going to play this much 719 00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:02,440 this like similarly costed similarly power level deck. 720 00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:04,840 And it's going to be a learning experience. 721 00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:09,440 And I don't like may that fuck with LS s s data because like 722 00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:13,240 you know, I say I'm on one hero, but then I play another just for 723 00:38:13,240 --> 00:38:14,320 this one, right? An Armory? 724 00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:17,600 Surely not. They they track that data. 725 00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:23,880 Like I do not mind that. Like I care more about that 726 00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:27,920 player's experience of having an even match than I care about 727 00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:31,160 anything else. And I would also say our local 728 00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:34,920 game store, Crazy Knicks has a very flourishing community. 729 00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:38,120 I think because we have players at a lot of different levels of 730 00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:41,120 entering the game. We have players who are at the 731 00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:46,880 top going to these Tier 2, Tier 3 events, Joel, me, Marcus, like 732 00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:50,920 Dennis, we have very, very talented players trying to play 733 00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:53,600 at that top echelon. But we also have players who are 734 00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:56,600 just chillax and playing at their local armories, you know, 735 00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:58,240 like they haven't spent all that money yet. 736 00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:00,440 And then we have brand new players just getting into the 737 00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:03,120 game. When you have peers at the same 738 00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:07,160 skill level as you, that is when you have the best time 739 00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:09,560 competitively. And I think that is 740 00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:11,920 exceptionally important to creating a good environment. 741 00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:15,160 But when there's all this competitive spirit, I think it 742 00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:17,800 encourages people to move up that ladder a little bit too 743 00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:22,760 fast and push in a way that can easily leave other people in the 744 00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:24,240 dust. Yeah. 745 00:39:24,240 --> 00:39:26,600 And you're touching upon, like, the unapproachability of the 746 00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:28,840 game, like how hard it is to enter the scene. 747 00:39:29,240 --> 00:39:32,520 And that's something that's going to arise when you have 748 00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:36,520 this, like, focus on like performance and competitiveness 749 00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:39,040 and being the best. And it hurts people too. 750 00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:42,520 I mean, I, I had a local show up to a tournament recently in K to 751 00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:44,280 me and he's like, I feel horrible. 752 00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:47,480 Like I've I've not been playing well and I'm not enjoying myself 753 00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:49,440 at this event. And I'm like, yeah, man, it's 754 00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:51,200 your first event. Like there's some nerves and 755 00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:52,480 you're going to have a hard time. 756 00:39:53,240 --> 00:39:55,840 Don't worry about it. Like, like, if you end up not 757 00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:59,440 liking this, then don't do it. Like you don't have to go to 758 00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:01,760 competitive tournaments to enjoy this game. 759 00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:04,080 Play the game that lets you enjoy it. 760 00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:06,520 But I think a lot of the time for a lot of flesh and blood 761 00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:09,320 players, you feel like you kind of have to. 762 00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:11,840 I don't know if that's a good thing. 763 00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:17,280 I think like, there is a very nice benefit to it, which is 764 00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:19,360 just how fucking hype flesh and blood is, you know? 765 00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:21,120 Like I don't need to convince you with that. 766 00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:23,120 You know, we're people who love the game and are really 767 00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:25,640 invested. And I just want to talk, wanted 768 00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:29,040 to talk a bit in this pitch about why I think this game can 769 00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:33,120 be as hype as it really is. And we want to really understand 770 00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:35,560 this game from a holistic level. If we want to talk about like, 771 00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:38,720 why people are miffed when a hero hit Living hits Living 772 00:40:38,720 --> 00:40:42,960 Legend really quickly, or why it's celebrated, you know, I 773 00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:44,880 think I'm going to hand things off to Clark now in Blue Pitch. 774 00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:49,000 He's going to talk more about specifically how fast, how long 775 00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:52,320 it takes heroes to hit Living Legend, and what a good speed 776 00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:54,440 would be. Thank you, Fuzzy. 777 00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:58,240 So yes, Living Legend speed, this is the big conversation 778 00:40:58,240 --> 00:41:00,280 topic. We've saved it here for the end 779 00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:02,360 when we have the least amount of people listening. 780 00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:09,440 The Living Legend system is very dynamic and it's very volatile, 781 00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:12,120 right? Players don't just invest money 782 00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:15,560 into a deck. They they're investing time and 783 00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:17,680 that's also tied together, right? 784 00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:19,880 Typically when the hero Living Legends, a lot of those 785 00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:23,720 expensive things that they had lose value because they were 786 00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:27,640 good because they were in that deck that was strong and 787 00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:31,960 winning, right? The demand was high and then 788 00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:34,440 demand drops. Yeah, and it's part of the 789 00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:37,960 reason why you don't play. You don't play, you don't pick 790 00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:39,880 up a hero if they're close to hitting living legend. 791 00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:41,960 Right. Like why would I right now buy 792 00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:43,920 into Aurora when she's about to rotate out? 793 00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:46,480 It doesn't make sense for me to drop a bunch of money on it. 794 00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:49,560 Exactly. And for many players, they 795 00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:53,800 identify with the heroes. Think about, you know, man, 796 00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:58,400 Santa and Levaya, you know, Lexi players, They're they're they're 797 00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:01,000 people who have really identified with their heroes. 798 00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:04,200 And when those heroes, Living Legend, they lose that identity. 799 00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:07,800 And sometimes they don't always get that identity back because 800 00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:10,960 they were so attached to the name and the aesthetic, not 801 00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:12,720 necessarily the class and talent. 802 00:42:13,240 --> 00:42:18,040 So like when Chain got reprinted as Vincet, all the players who 803 00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:22,400 identified as Chain didn't really get that identity back 804 00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:26,240 because they didn't get a Chain hero, they got Vincet. 805 00:42:26,240 --> 00:42:31,560 It's different. So considering how much of 806 00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:36,160 yourself it takes in order to pick up a new hero, it's really 807 00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:38,920 important to know how long am I going to be able to be attached 808 00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:41,800 to this hero? If I'm going to learn KO right 809 00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:44,840 now, it's good to know that like I'll be, if I'm going to be the 810 00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:47,360 KO player and I'm going to learn this deck, it's good to know 811 00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:49,760 that I'm going to be able to have some had a long 812 00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:52,200 relationship with this hero and play it for like multiple 813 00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:55,520 months, maybe a year or two. Yeah, that, that's been really 814 00:42:55,520 --> 00:43:01,320 nice for us, Rachel. We got into heroes that that 815 00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:03,880 have been around for a really long time and are going to be 816 00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:07,440 around for a really long time. My my shitty collection's going 817 00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:09,640 to be very low value for a long time. 818 00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:13,400 Yeah, there is certainly a bit of tension in that, right? 819 00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:16,520 Getting into heroes that are around for a long time is a very 820 00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:19,280 good value proposition, but we're not winning a lot, and 821 00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:22,960 winning is important, as Fuzzy just outlined in yellow pitch. 822 00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:26,760 But what happens when you do get into a strong hero? 823 00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:30,000 What if you came into the game with Rosetta and you really 824 00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:35,600 liked the bright, bubbly Aurora? So you picked up Aurora and you 825 00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:37,800 identified with Aurora, and then Aurora was strong. 826 00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:40,480 So you bought all these cards and you bought the Armory deck 827 00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:41,920 and you were competing in events. 828 00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:46,440 And now she's going to Living Legend in a dev talk. 829 00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:48,400 And I tried to find the dev talk. 830 00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:50,720 I could not find it. I am so sorry. 831 00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:53,840 I I like trying to cite my sources here but I wasn't able 832 00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:56,200 to. It was communicated that they 833 00:43:56,200 --> 00:44:01,600 want strong heroes to last at least one year of playability. 834 00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:05,280 At least one year. Preferably longer, right? 835 00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:09,080 But at least one year. Yeah, to just rephrase this, 836 00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:12,440 like, all heroes are going to have some variation in how long 837 00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:14,880 they're in the format, and they're hoping that the short 838 00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:16,680 end of the stick is about a year. 839 00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:20,560 Yes. Now based on your interpretation 840 00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:23,840 and the specific word choice that of that moment and what 841 00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:29,800 they said, Miss Bale has achieved this Zin's at about 11 842 00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:33,360 months, Zin El Digma are about 11 months and news going to be 843 00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:37,280 later, right. So they're doing it. 844 00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:41,680 They were really strong heroes. They lasted about one year based 845 00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:43,840 on how much wiggle room you want to give them, right? 846 00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:45,800 Yeah, the bannings certainly helped them. 847 00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:47,720 The banning certainly helped them. 848 00:44:47,720 --> 00:44:51,840 We will talk about that. But Aurora is vastly outpacing 849 00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:54,360 this. We're looking at 6-7 months. 850 00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:57,800 It's only been six months since Rosetta came out. 851 00:44:57,800 --> 00:44:58,960 When did? Rosetta come out. 852 00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:01,520 I want to say October. Because it was Rosetta and then 853 00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:03,920 haunted. Oh bro, that's crazy. 854 00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:06,120 Yeah. Now, immediately, this is 855 00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:10,480 because we've had like four or five CC competitive seasons in 856 00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:12,360 this brief moment. It has definitely felt 857 00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:17,320 compressed. 2 PQ seasons and RTN season and Worlds. 858 00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:20,920 Like there's been a lot of points for Aurora to get in this 859 00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:28,320 brief moment, but she's really moving through it quickly, way 860 00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:29,680 faster than the Miss Veil heroes. 861 00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:34,280 But would you say that Aurora has been more powerful than Zen? 862 00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:40,560 More powerful than Enigma? How about is she on Starvo 863 00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:45,400 levels of meta dominance? Because that's who she's 864 00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:47,680 competing with, with how quickly she's moving through Living 865 00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:49,240 Legend. I think in terms of 866 00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:52,760 representation, yes, in terms of power level, no. 867 00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:55,760 Right. And representation is partially 868 00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:58,040 due to all the support that LSS have been doing, right? 869 00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:00,920 Great circle back to that point, Fuzzy. 870 00:46:01,720 --> 00:46:05,320 A lot of pro players have spoken up about this impending Aurora 871 00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:08,960 LL during this PQ season and they said that they are fine 872 00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:11,880 with Aurora being the exception to this sort of one year 873 00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:14,680 benchmark. But why is that? 874 00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:19,120 I think it's because there's competitive health and narrative 875 00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:21,640 metrics that we use when measuring a hero. 876 00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:23,960 Living Legend. With Starvo, it was this 877 00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:27,400 incredible dominance where he swept a bunch of events and he 878 00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:29,480 just dominated, dominated, dominated LL. 879 00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:34,240 He was very clearly broken. Aurora is not clearly broken. 880 00:46:34,240 --> 00:46:37,240 I don't. Know, I think she's really 881 00:46:37,240 --> 00:46:40,440 fucking strong. She's really fucking strong. 882 00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:44,280 I would argue Arc lightning Flicker Wisp is a little bit too 883 00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:48,480 strong and removes any ability for her to have a weakness, but 884 00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:52,520 she loses events all the time. Other decks were consistently 885 00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:56,560 winning and competing with Aurora during these competitive 886 00:46:56,560 --> 00:47:02,000 seasons and so pro players are like yeah this is fine, she was 887 00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:04,480 fine. She didn't make us feel bad for 888 00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:09,840 not playing Aurora right. But I think with Starvo, people 889 00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:14,480 did feel bad if they weren't on Starvo, and that is that 890 00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:17,800 narrative around the competitive scene I think makes a big 891 00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:20,000 difference in whether or not people find it healthy. 892 00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:24,080 The speed of living legend. But tying back into those new 893 00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:28,160 player conversations we were having in red pitch, it's kind 894 00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:31,360 of a big deal that people have bought these products, bought 895 00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:34,520 into the game, spent a lot of money to get up to a competitive 896 00:47:34,520 --> 00:47:39,280 level, and then in six to seven months can no longer play these 897 00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:43,280 cards. That is a big deal that people 898 00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:46,360 invested a lot of money in a short amount of time and did not 899 00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:50,920 get enough out of it in terms of CC playability. 900 00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:56,640 Does that constitute a crisis? I really like what you said 901 00:47:56,640 --> 00:47:59,440 about like Aurora being the exception is OK. 902 00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:02,560 Like if this is happening regularly then it's more of a 903 00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:05,120 problem. And then with Zen and Zen and 904 00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:08,360 Enigma rotating out pretty quickly, I think like again like 905 00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:10,720 they're kind of hitting the the benchmark like a little bit 906 00:48:10,720 --> 00:48:13,280 closely. If LSS hadn't stepped in, we 907 00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:15,080 might have had a problem with Zen similarly. 908 00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:19,280 This might be a little bit controversial, but I actually do 909 00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:21,840 think it's a crisis. I think it's a problem with not 910 00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:25,920 only Aggregatex getting like favorable treatment from LSS, 911 00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:28,000 but also the room bleed class in general. 912 00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:31,800 Because I feel like the reason why Aurora didn't LL in six 913 00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:35,480 months or sooner is because Viscera was taking up that 914 00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:37,160 limelight of the room Blade aggro. 915 00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:41,160 Best deck in format for at least two months in the haunted meta 916 00:48:41,240 --> 00:48:43,920 and then he LLD. And of course the next best deck 917 00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:48,000 was then Aurora. And until we stop getting like 918 00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:52,000 these overtuned aggressive room blade heroes, they're always 919 00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:54,720 going to be at the top. Now there's I think 3 room 920 00:48:54,720 --> 00:48:58,240 blades that were living Legend or there will be 3 room blades, 921 00:48:58,240 --> 00:49:00,840 excuse me, in the living legend system. 922 00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:03,120 And this was after the book burning. 923 00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:06,520 This was without Art of War, without Tom Offendale, which I 924 00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:08,840 think was going to be a big oppressor with Aurora 925 00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:11,760 specifically. So the fact that she's still 926 00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:17,000 doing this well with probably the least amount of atrociously 927 00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:20,600 broken cards is a problem. Because if you look at Starvo, 928 00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:26,760 if you look at prism or chain, all those decks had stuff that's 929 00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:31,280 banned now and they LL that quickly or slower than Aurora. 930 00:49:31,720 --> 00:49:35,880 So to me the the data is there, but it could also just be a case 931 00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:38,680 of like there's not enough natural predators for Aurora 932 00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:42,520 specifically. Yeah, I'm really, really happy 933 00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:44,480 that you brought this point up. I'm actually going to jump a 934 00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:47,920 little bit ahead in my notes here, which is Living Legend 935 00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:51,400 points as a metric. Joel, I don't know if you have 936 00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:55,120 seen it, but there has been some infographics floating around on 937 00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:59,240 social media as well as in some discords of people doing 938 00:49:59,240 --> 00:50:02,320 lifetime living Legend points by class. 939 00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:07,440 I hate these. I hate these too, and I hate 940 00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:12,560 these for a data reason, which is that LSS can modify the 941 00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:15,960 Living Legend system and they have on multiple occasions. 942 00:50:17,240 --> 00:50:20,760 One of the things that I want to say about Zen and KO. 943 00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:24,160 Joel, you mentioned this in Red Pitch where KO got the Armory 944 00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:27,280 deck and then he got like 506 hundred Living Legend points 945 00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:30,640 back when they were giving out nearly double the amount of 946 00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:35,000 Living Legend points in that season, which is crazy. 947 00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:38,040 Like if you think, OK, oh, got 300 living Legend points. 948 00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:40,600 That's what Aurora got before Viscera left. 949 00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:44,120 Yeah, with Kayo really that meta dominant? 950 00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:48,720 No, but like the Living Legend points that he got makes it so 951 00:50:48,720 --> 00:50:53,360 much more when we completely ignore that the scale change or 952 00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:56,240 the fact that they've been adding so many more points and 953 00:50:56,240 --> 00:50:59,840 so many more events to the Living Legends system, which 954 00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:02,720 then spreads out where those points are coming from. 955 00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:04,960 Right. It's kind of like the Living 956 00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:08,160 Legends system has this function in the game of it is our 957 00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:12,600 rotation system, and it is held up to be important, but because 958 00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:16,080 they tweak it so much, it's hard for us to look very critically 959 00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:18,960 and specifically at these numbers and pull anything 960 00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:23,600 meaningful out of it. Yeah, I really like events one 961 00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:25,880 and then measuring those events by tier. 962 00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:28,520 That is the metric that I would prefer to look at. 963 00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:32,840 And I still think guardians and room blades and illusionists 964 00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:34,960 would be at the top of that scale as well. 965 00:51:35,240 --> 00:51:40,240 So it is a useful metric in so far as painting broad pictures. 966 00:51:40,720 --> 00:51:43,840 But for me, as someone who has worked, who works in data 967 00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:48,280 science and data analytics, it is frustrating to me because it 968 00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:53,080 is a shifting metric, right? And a metric that a company can 969 00:51:53,080 --> 00:51:56,400 change when they feel like it can benefit them. 970 00:51:56,800 --> 00:52:00,520 The shift of LL points right as miss fail hit again. 971 00:52:00,520 --> 00:52:03,560 If you I, I think I've mentioned this in a previous episode. 972 00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:08,320 If you want to take a negative look at what LSS did, they said 973 00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:09,960 we need to break into a new market. 974 00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:15,240 We are going to print cheap, powerful cards for this new 975 00:52:15,240 --> 00:52:19,240 market and then also reduce the amount of points that they win 976 00:52:19,240 --> 00:52:22,080 for winning events so that it stays in the game for as long as 977 00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:22,920 possible. Yeah. 978 00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:26,360 I don't think that's what they did. 979 00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:30,760 I don't think it was that intentional, but I do think that 980 00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:36,960 that is kind of what happened. And definitely without bannings, 981 00:52:37,040 --> 00:52:39,440 Zim would have gone much sooner. I'm happy you brought that up, 982 00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:42,960 Fuzzy, because that brings me to the big question of this pitch, 983 00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:46,240 and the question that I want you to also answer for me in the 984 00:52:46,240 --> 00:52:50,360 comments. How active should LSS be in 985 00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:54,520 banning and controlling the meta to control the speed in which 986 00:52:54,520 --> 00:52:59,040 heroes hit Living Legend? I like this question because it 987 00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:02,320 sounds like something we deal with all the time, but I think 988 00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:05,080 it's good to note that it's a little bit separate from saying 989 00:53:05,080 --> 00:53:08,480 like, do we ban cards or heroes when they're strong? 990 00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:11,400 You know? I think Aurora is strong to the 991 00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:14,320 point where I wish they would ban some small cards from her so 992 00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:16,560 her deck just gets a little bit less powerful because I would 993 00:53:16,560 --> 00:53:18,800 enjoy not losing to her so much, you know? 994 00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:22,080 Soft bannings like what they did with Let's see banning Bullseye 995 00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:26,920 Bracer. Yeah, but that's a little bit 996 00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:30,480 separate from me saying I want them to ban cards from Aurora. 997 00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:33,120 That way she stays in the game longer, you know? 998 00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:36,240 Yeah, we've heard a lot of people say, like, don't ban 999 00:53:36,240 --> 00:53:39,360 anything, just let this hero LL, let them be dominant and then 1000 00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:41,440 disappear so I don't have to deal with them ever again. 1001 00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:44,280 A lot of people were saying that about Enigma, Yeah. 1002 00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:49,800 For me, I think I would like LSS to be a lot more active. 1003 00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:54,000 I think relying on a living legend to just like sort of be 1004 00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:57,400 this hands off, this is how the MET is going to balance itself 1005 00:53:57,600 --> 00:54:00,520 type of technique is not helpful at all. 1006 00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:06,360 And I think in a lot of discussions about heroes that 1007 00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:10,000 have living legend in the past in a fast manner, such as chains 1008 00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:13,760 such as Starvo and Lexi, there were instances in each of those 1009 00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:17,760 cases where you would see cards that were very clearly 1010 00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:21,080 problematic and have been clearly problematic in previous 1011 00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:25,320 eras of flesh and blood to where it's like, why would you not ban 1012 00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:26,680 this? And I'm thinking of Ardor 1013 00:54:26,680 --> 00:54:29,040 specifically. The fact that it's taken so long 1014 00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:33,120 to ban that card, I think was a sort of miss on LSS because it 1015 00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:35,680 kept coming up. It's like, is it now the right 1016 00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:38,080 time to ban it? No, let's let Lexi living Lynch 1017 00:54:38,080 --> 00:54:41,440 and we'll let her use it. Is Zen the right time to do or 1018 00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:44,320 Phi the right time to do it? No, we'll let him, you know, or 1019 00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:46,560 whatever. And this sort of passive 1020 00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:50,040 approach at it just doesn't work to me. 1021 00:54:50,040 --> 00:54:54,800 So I think I'd like to see more action and I think when cards 1022 00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:58,880 aren't as explicitly abusable, like maybe flicker Whisp seems 1023 00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:02,640 to be like a way to, like you said, Clark, remove that 1024 00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:06,400 weakness of fatigue and give her like this sideboard combo. 1025 00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:08,680 Like that's the same issue we had with original Visceride 1026 00:55:08,680 --> 00:55:11,360 because he had a sideboard plan for every scenario. 1027 00:55:11,720 --> 00:55:15,840 So there's enough data I think to to where in the future I 1028 00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:19,560 think flesh and blood LSS could be more proactive in banning. 1029 00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:22,840 That's usually my stance. So you're saying generally? 1030 00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:25,680 That LSS should be a little bit more trigger happy with the ban 1031 00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:28,000 list. Yeah, I think if they want 1032 00:55:28,040 --> 00:55:31,200 heroes to LL sooner, you don't do that by letting them do 1033 00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:33,960 whatever, like by letting the heroes run amok. 1034 00:55:33,960 --> 00:55:37,080 You do that by being proactive about not only what you released 1035 00:55:37,080 --> 00:55:39,760 in terms of support to counteract these heroes, but 1036 00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:42,000 also to correct them because there are stronger. 1037 00:55:42,560 --> 00:55:45,200 Because believe it or not, there are heroes that are just too 1038 00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:48,560 strong and don't have enough predators to self regulate. 1039 00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:53,680 But so are you also further saying that like, if a hero 1040 00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:57,000 looks like they're going to L too quickly, that just in and of 1041 00:55:57,000 --> 00:56:00,320 itself can be a reason for them to take a toy away from them and 1042 00:56:00,760 --> 00:56:04,720 keep them in the game longer? Yeah, because there's, I think 1043 00:56:04,720 --> 00:56:07,560 LSS also has a really hard job because they have to not only 1044 00:56:07,560 --> 00:56:10,280 sift through the data that's being generated at all these 1045 00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:13,680 large events, but also the public outcry of these events. 1046 00:56:13,680 --> 00:56:17,400 Because even with Aurora, everyone knows she's broken. 1047 00:56:17,720 --> 00:56:19,240 She's not winning every event though. 1048 00:56:19,240 --> 00:56:22,320 Like Enigma want both The Calling and PT London. 1049 00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:24,760 So it's like, is it really a big of an issue? 1050 00:56:24,760 --> 00:56:29,280 But I think there's context that LS's can take to make these 1051 00:56:29,520 --> 00:56:33,760 measured, sort of like, I don't know, stop gates, I guess. 1052 00:56:33,960 --> 00:56:35,480 Yeah. And those are two populations I 1053 00:56:35,480 --> 00:56:40,000 want to be very clear. And LSS has a lot of data of 1054 00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:43,720 what's happening at armories and has a lot of data about what's 1055 00:56:43,720 --> 00:56:47,480 happening at these middle tables as well as the top tables. 1056 00:56:47,720 --> 00:56:51,920 And then there is the community of people who are online or who 1057 00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:54,360 make podcasts or who make content. 1058 00:56:54,520 --> 00:56:58,120 We are a separate population. We are extremely engaged 1059 00:56:58,120 --> 00:57:00,560 individuals, and that is different from a general 1060 00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:02,080 population. Absolutely. 1061 00:57:02,160 --> 00:57:05,440 I think LSS has a lot of data about what has happened with 1062 00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:08,680 Aurora's Living Legend, and I am really excited for the next dev 1063 00:57:08,680 --> 00:57:12,360 talk and hearing what they say about Aurora's Living Legend 1064 00:57:12,360 --> 00:57:13,320 journey. Yeah, sure. 1065 00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:16,920 Because I think it is going to be very telling about how they 1066 00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:21,000 saw this all go down. I kind of I was debating whether 1067 00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:25,000 to push us to do this episode before or after that dev talk. 1068 00:57:25,160 --> 00:57:27,840 Because after the dev talk, we get more quotes from LSS. 1069 00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:29,760 Good and useful for us to talk about. 1070 00:57:29,760 --> 00:57:31,320 Yeah. But at the same time, I think it 1071 00:57:31,320 --> 00:57:34,240 being an open question, I think people should really pay 1072 00:57:34,240 --> 00:57:35,640 attention to what they say on this topic. 1073 00:57:35,640 --> 00:57:40,040 Absolutely in that dev talk. I think people don't complain a 1074 00:57:40,040 --> 00:57:43,520 lot about the speed that a hero LLS. 1075 00:57:44,120 --> 00:57:46,600 I think they complain more about the strength of that hero. 1076 00:57:46,600 --> 00:57:50,160 And they use the speed as a metric to say, hey, look, the 1077 00:57:50,160 --> 00:57:53,000 thing that I don't like, which is Aurora is really strong and 1078 00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:55,520 fuck, I hate losing to Aurora. Totally. 1079 00:57:55,520 --> 00:57:58,160 I think they use the LL thing more as evidence, Yes. 1080 00:57:58,160 --> 00:58:01,200 Whereas like an actual like point of contention, you know, 1081 00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:02,760 Yeah. Yeah, I agree with that as well. 1082 00:58:02,800 --> 00:58:07,480 So I and like we as people this podcast like to pretend to they 1083 00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:10,840 feel like it's like to run LSS, you know, like to like imagine 1084 00:58:10,840 --> 00:58:13,520 ourselves in the seat and be like, is this bad for the game 1085 00:58:13,520 --> 00:58:17,000 that Aurora LL so quickly after printing like this new player 1086 00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:20,040 product, Although I would be curious how many people are 1087 00:58:20,040 --> 00:58:22,560 actually like complaining about that specifically. 1088 00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:24,520 I'm sure some people are feeling miffed about it. 1089 00:58:24,600 --> 00:58:25,880 I. Think we could also end up being 1090 00:58:25,880 --> 00:58:29,640 counter intuitive not unlike imagine the gathering situation 1091 00:58:29,640 --> 00:58:33,120 around universes beyond the universe is beyond is very 1092 00:58:33,120 --> 00:58:34,600 contentious. I'm not going to spend some time 1093 00:58:34,600 --> 00:58:37,560 talking about it. I I saw Joel do a little like. 1094 00:58:37,560 --> 00:58:40,200 Clark, no. I was just getting locked in. 1095 00:58:40,200 --> 00:58:41,640 I was like, oh, it's going to be a 30 minute pitch. 1096 00:58:41,640 --> 00:58:45,680 Yeah, just kidding. But Mark Rosewater said that a 1097 00:58:45,680 --> 00:58:48,680 lot of the feedback that they got is that it brings new 1098 00:58:48,680 --> 00:58:52,040 players into the game, and new players really like seeing their 1099 00:58:52,040 --> 00:58:56,160 property get printed. Yeah, and but the online outcry 1100 00:58:56,200 --> 00:59:01,960 was a massive Yep, two different populations and Magic has not 1101 00:59:01,960 --> 00:59:05,720 grown more or sold more at any other point in history. 1102 00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:08,600 Universe is beyond is a massively successful product and 1103 00:59:08,600 --> 00:59:13,320 LSS could say, look this beginner pipeline got us a lot 1104 00:59:13,320 --> 00:59:15,320 of sales and brought a lot of new people into the game. 1105 00:59:15,320 --> 00:59:18,240 And even though the hero LLD in six months and all that value 1106 00:59:18,240 --> 00:59:22,440 was wiped, people got invested in the game and now they're 1107 00:59:22,440 --> 00:59:25,520 sticking around. Now they're pivoting to Asilio, 1108 00:59:25,800 --> 00:59:29,720 now they're pivoting to Florian. You know, they're still in the 1109 00:59:29,720 --> 00:59:32,560 game. We got them in the door using 1110 00:59:32,560 --> 00:59:37,160 this strategy and them L elling in 6-7 months did not matter as 1111 00:59:37,160 --> 00:59:41,360 much as we thought it did. But I think it might be a 1112 00:59:41,360 --> 00:59:44,520 problem for other heroes, other situations. 1113 00:59:44,840 --> 00:59:46,840 And that's a dangerous game to play, right? 1114 00:59:47,120 --> 00:59:51,560 The moment that you start losing the support of those mega fans 1115 00:59:51,880 --> 00:59:54,640 as people on podcast, those people who are constantly 1116 00:59:54,640 --> 00:59:58,960 chirping on Twitter, that's when the community can start to shift 1117 00:59:58,960 --> 01:00:02,760 on those things, even if the sales and underlying numbers 1118 01:00:02,760 --> 01:00:05,720 support the decisions. Yeah, great point, Clark. 1119 01:00:05,720 --> 01:00:09,000 There's so many metrics that we can't even discuss because we 1120 01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:13,840 don't have all the Intel that else has access to and the sort 1121 01:00:13,840 --> 01:00:18,440 of surge of new players. Like I think in Rosetta alone 1122 01:00:18,440 --> 01:00:21,000 I've seen more new players than I have in the last like year and 1123 01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:22,440 a half maybe. Easily. 1124 01:00:23,560 --> 01:00:27,520 I sincerely hope that this has been a really fun episode. 1125 01:00:27,520 --> 01:00:30,960 I feel like we were a little all over the place, but only 1126 01:00:30,960 --> 01:00:33,800 because, like, this is a really fun topic for us to discuss and 1127 01:00:33,960 --> 01:00:35,480 hopefully fun to listen to as well. 1128 01:00:35,600 --> 01:00:38,640 Yeah. Sort of going back to what I 1129 01:00:38,640 --> 01:00:42,320 said at the beginning in Turn 0, it's multifaceted. 1130 01:00:42,400 --> 01:00:45,480 There's a lot of different ways of looking at this, and I hope 1131 01:00:45,480 --> 01:00:49,960 that LSS is treating it with the same level of diversity of 1132 01:00:49,960 --> 01:00:54,800 thought as as I think it requires game designers, 1133 01:00:54,880 --> 01:00:59,320 competitive new players, average players at Armories. 1134 01:00:59,360 --> 01:01:01,440 There's a lot of different perspectives to take into 1135 01:01:01,440 --> 01:01:06,120 account here, and I think we did a good job of capturing a lot of 1136 01:01:06,120 --> 01:01:08,560 them. All right, with all that being 1137 01:01:08,560 --> 01:01:13,400 said, I think that is the end of today's episode. 1138 01:01:13,640 --> 01:01:17,520 We're going to wrap it up here. Say goodbye to everybody. 1139 01:01:17,520 --> 01:01:20,000 What But Clark, What? You forgot about our Arsenal 1140 01:01:20,000 --> 01:01:21,640 zone. The Arsenal zone. 1141 01:01:21,640 --> 01:01:23,720 The Arsenal zone. The Arsenal zone. 1142 01:01:23,720 --> 01:01:28,520 Joel, it's the Arsenal zone. What is that again? 1143 01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:31,000 The Arsenal zone's a part of our podcast. 1144 01:01:31,040 --> 01:01:32,880 Wait, no, I don't know what the Arsenal zone is. 1145 01:01:32,880 --> 01:01:34,080 That's a joke. Fuzzy you go. 1146 01:01:35,440 --> 01:01:38,440 Well, Clark and Joel, the Arsenal Zone is the part of our 1147 01:01:38,440 --> 01:01:40,440 podcast where we each shouted a card that we've been thinking 1148 01:01:40,440 --> 01:01:43,680 about lately, and we like to get our Patreon members involved. 1149 01:01:44,200 --> 01:01:47,960 Joel, why don't we pick a person at random from our Arsenal Zone 1150 01:01:47,960 --> 01:01:50,360 suggestions to talk about a card that they've been thinking 1151 01:01:50,360 --> 01:01:51,640 about? Sure. 1152 01:01:52,080 --> 01:01:54,320 All right. I'm now going to cue textural 1153 01:01:54,320 --> 01:01:59,320 noise and the winner is Equinox. Hey, Equinox. 1154 01:02:00,120 --> 01:02:02,520 Equinox is a very active member in our Discord. 1155 01:02:02,520 --> 01:02:06,640 They are, I think on the East Coast side of things, Maine. 1156 01:02:07,320 --> 01:02:08,760 Huh. I think she's from Maine. 1157 01:02:09,720 --> 01:02:11,360 Yeah, yeah. That's East Coast, right? 1158 01:02:11,360 --> 01:02:13,600 Yeah, yeah. Yeah, works out in LGS. 1159 01:02:13,960 --> 01:02:17,440 Very active, always coming up with interesting custom cards in 1160 01:02:17,440 --> 01:02:20,680 our Discord. And Equinox's card that they 1161 01:02:20,680 --> 01:02:23,040 wanted to shout out, or at least the last thing they wanted to 1162 01:02:23,040 --> 01:02:26,400 shout out was Imperial Seal of Command and they had this to 1163 01:02:26,400 --> 01:02:29,240 say. Think the card is fairly slept 1164 01:02:29,240 --> 01:02:30,800 on. One of the major ways to make 1165 01:02:30,800 --> 01:02:33,360 Katsu tick. Also potentially good in Dory. 1166 01:02:33,560 --> 01:02:36,640 Really powerful for any hero that likes the setup turns. 1167 01:02:37,360 --> 01:02:40,360 And that's all while ignoring the Arsenal destruction line. 1168 01:02:40,760 --> 01:02:43,680 And for those of you who don't know what this card is, Imperial 1169 01:02:43,680 --> 01:02:46,880 Seal of Command is a 0 cost generic item. 1170 01:02:47,600 --> 01:02:50,080 Red pitch and it's a legendary so you can only have one in the 1171 01:02:50,080 --> 01:02:53,800 deck and it says as an action destroy this defence. 1172 01:02:53,800 --> 01:02:55,880 Reaction cards can't be played this turn. 1173 01:02:55,920 --> 01:02:59,160 If you are royal, the next time you hit a hero this turn destroy 1174 01:02:59,160 --> 01:03:03,280 all cars in the arsenal zone. So pretty fantastic hate against 1175 01:03:03,960 --> 01:03:05,960 those fatigue decks. You have those people that are 1176 01:03:05,960 --> 01:03:08,840 like, I just bring in D reacts in order to beat this hero. 1177 01:03:09,000 --> 01:03:11,800 Well sucker, you can't play. D Reacts when I crack my 1178 01:03:11,800 --> 01:03:16,000 Imperial Seal of Command. Also low key good into like New 1179 01:03:16,000 --> 01:03:19,480 Horizon Rangers question mark. Yeah, if you're royal, 1180 01:03:19,480 --> 01:03:21,240 definitely. I mean. 1181 01:03:21,400 --> 01:03:24,080 Anyone can be royal if you slap a crowd of dominion on your head 1182 01:03:24,080 --> 01:03:26,880 maybe and you get a gold token for it. 1183 01:03:27,080 --> 01:03:30,160 Yeah, so true. Yeah, I really like this as a 1184 01:03:30,160 --> 01:03:32,280 tech card. I like that as a one of tech 1185 01:03:32,280 --> 01:03:33,960 card. So like it isn't always 1186 01:03:33,960 --> 01:03:37,000 relevant, but it is an item, it's non block, it takes your 1187 01:03:37,000 --> 01:03:39,040 action point. There are a lot of downsides to 1188 01:03:39,040 --> 01:03:41,480 this card. Yeah. 1189 01:03:41,480 --> 01:03:43,800 I think for the 2 here is that you mentioned Equinox. 1190 01:03:43,800 --> 01:03:47,120 I don't think they're quite maybe in Dory I don't. 1191 01:03:47,200 --> 01:03:50,120 I think there's more tools that Dory has to do with defense 1192 01:03:50,120 --> 01:03:52,440 reactions than Katsu does. So maybe Katsu likes it more. 1193 01:03:52,800 --> 01:03:55,720 But I think what I'm most excited for is using it in Fang 1194 01:03:55,720 --> 01:03:58,920 because he is royal and everything in reaction speed 1195 01:03:58,920 --> 01:04:02,760 makes makes basically everything I have unblockable unless you 1196 01:04:02,760 --> 01:04:05,600 want to give me cards from hand and then trigger, you know, all 1197 01:04:05,600 --> 01:04:07,480 the other effects that I have. And then you play Tooth of the 1198 01:04:07,480 --> 01:04:10,920 Dragon. Yeah, you blocked play tooth. 1199 01:04:11,080 --> 01:04:13,240 Get fucked, nerd. And then, like Fang, also has a 1200 01:04:13,240 --> 01:04:16,640 lot more room for Reds. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1201 01:04:16,640 --> 01:04:19,000 And pitching Reds too. Yeah. 1202 01:04:19,200 --> 01:04:22,440 No, I think it's AI think it's a great little tech card. 1203 01:04:22,440 --> 01:04:24,880 I think it's always, it's going to be one of those cards that I 1204 01:04:24,880 --> 01:04:28,160 always sort of think to myself, is this a matter where I should 1205 01:04:28,160 --> 01:04:30,000 run it? And right now I'm hearing 1206 01:04:30,320 --> 01:04:34,160 everyone's running 6 + D reacts into a lot of decks. 1207 01:04:34,560 --> 01:04:39,160 So I totally see a world where you like actually taking an off 1208 01:04:39,160 --> 01:04:43,400 tempo turn to play this, blocking out and then saying, 1209 01:04:43,600 --> 01:04:46,480 all right, now I have access to this on demand. 1210 01:04:46,680 --> 01:04:49,800 Make half of their hand not able to block. 1211 01:04:49,800 --> 01:04:53,880 Like there's some really nasty turns that you can do with this 1212 01:04:53,880 --> 01:04:55,400 online. Yeah, great shout. 1213 01:04:57,440 --> 01:05:00,760 I think I'll go next. Yeah, so the card that I want to 1214 01:05:00,760 --> 01:05:03,440 shout out today is Smashback Alehorn. 1215 01:05:04,360 --> 01:05:07,560 And as a tradition, I brought a copy with me to sign and give to 1216 01:05:07,560 --> 01:05:11,240 each of my fellow hosts. Single bro Smashback Alehorn is 1217 01:05:11,240 --> 01:05:14,280 a common from heavy hitters. It's color locked at blue blocks 1218 01:05:14,280 --> 01:05:16,480 for two. It is a brute action, part of a 1219 01:05:16,480 --> 01:05:20,960 cycle of booze cards where each class got their own booze. 1220 01:05:21,560 --> 01:05:24,080 This one creates an agility and a might token and it has go 1221 01:05:24,080 --> 01:05:28,160 again doesn't cost a single resource to play and I've been 1222 01:05:28,160 --> 01:05:29,760 playing Rhiner lately at our armories. 1223 01:05:29,840 --> 01:05:32,320 I haven't had as much time to like grind the armories because 1224 01:05:32,320 --> 01:05:36,160 I started working again, but I picked up this list from Valerio 1225 01:05:36,600 --> 01:05:39,440 at another local and he really likes Blues that are easy to 1226 01:05:39,440 --> 01:05:41,520 convert when you are stuck with tempo. 1227 01:05:41,680 --> 01:05:44,240 Because when you have multiple Blues in hand and they don't 1228 01:05:44,480 --> 01:05:47,240 like they aren't sixes so you don't want to discard them, but 1229 01:05:47,240 --> 01:05:49,640 you like have to get rid of them in order to be able to pitch the 1230 01:05:49,640 --> 01:05:51,400 other to play the cards you actually want to play. 1231 01:05:51,520 --> 01:05:53,600 Cards like Smash Back Alehorn can be really clutch because you 1232 01:05:53,600 --> 01:05:55,640 can just dump them out of your hand, get good value out of 1233 01:05:55,640 --> 01:05:57,240 them, and then continue on with the rest of your turn. 1234 01:05:57,400 --> 01:06:00,360 And I also really enjoy having these on and off turns with 1235 01:06:00,360 --> 01:06:03,240 Reiner sometimes where all I do is Arsenal, make some might and 1236 01:06:03,240 --> 01:06:07,240 agility tokens and then pass my turn and then I just send like 1237 01:06:07,240 --> 01:06:10,560 2025 damage on my next turn. So I'm really enjoying Smash 1238 01:06:10,560 --> 01:06:13,040 Back Alehorn and I have a copy for each of you. 1239 01:06:14,560 --> 01:06:16,600 Thank you, Fuzzy. Thank you, Fuzzy. 1240 01:06:17,240 --> 01:06:19,720 One has flavor text flavor. Text. 1241 01:06:20,600 --> 01:06:24,240 A fierce match brings out the animal within and nothing gets 1242 01:06:24,240 --> 01:06:27,600 the blood pumping like a cake of fiery ale and a good old brawl 1243 01:06:27,600 --> 01:06:29,600 on the arena stand. So true, busty. 1244 01:06:29,800 --> 01:06:31,800 That's a quote from fight master Cox. 1245 01:06:33,000 --> 01:06:34,840 Who we now know is a little goblin man. 1246 01:06:35,400 --> 01:06:37,120 Oh. Yeah, I forgot about that. 1247 01:06:37,320 --> 01:06:41,240 Told you wanna go next? Sure I'll go next for my card. 1248 01:06:41,960 --> 01:06:44,400 AI chose a non warrior non brew card. 1249 01:06:44,400 --> 01:06:48,640 So the card I want to talk about is hammerhead harpoon cannon. 1250 01:06:48,640 --> 01:06:51,840 Oh wow say that five times fast this Hammerhead harpoon cannon 1251 01:06:51,840 --> 01:06:53,920 hammerhead harpoon cannon hammerhead harpoon cannon 1252 01:06:53,920 --> 01:06:56,720 hammerhead harpoon cannon hammerhead harpoon cannon yeah, 1253 01:06:57,040 --> 01:06:59,280 that one. So this is a pirate Ranger 1254 01:06:59,280 --> 01:07:04,440 weapon bow cannon 2 hander with an action that says pay 4 1255 01:07:04,440 --> 01:07:07,960 resources and tap. We now know that it's tap super 1256 01:07:07,960 --> 01:07:11,080 lame. Your next arrow attack this turn 1257 01:07:11,080 --> 01:07:15,000 gets plus 4 Jesus. If it has harpoon in its name, 1258 01:07:15,000 --> 01:07:19,200 it gets overpower. Let's go again now notably this 1259 01:07:19,200 --> 01:07:23,440 bow itself bow. This crossbow cannot load so you 1260 01:07:23,600 --> 01:07:27,440 can only really use it with Marlins hero ability which makes 1261 01:07:27,440 --> 01:07:29,320 it super siloed. Love it. 1262 01:07:29,760 --> 01:07:33,200 Also giving +4 on a crossbow, fucking sweet. 1263 01:07:33,200 --> 01:07:34,320 What do you call it? A crossbow. 1264 01:07:34,800 --> 01:07:36,960 It's a bow cannon. It's a bow. 1265 01:07:37,560 --> 01:07:39,880 No, it says bow cannon. It is bow cannon. 1266 01:07:39,880 --> 01:07:41,760 I'm sorry it looks like a crossbow. 1267 01:07:41,760 --> 01:07:45,360 It does, so I keep referring it to as a crossbow, but this 1268 01:07:45,360 --> 01:07:48,760 weapon just oozes and synergy. I really like it. 1269 01:07:48,760 --> 01:07:51,840 I think it's going to make Ranger very interesting to play 1270 01:07:52,040 --> 01:07:55,600 after they ban like Tri shot and death dealer because I combo 1271 01:07:55,600 --> 01:08:00,160 looks really stupid and I like that it offers this like almost 1272 01:08:00,160 --> 01:08:05,400 guardian ask level of play style where you're pitching 2 Blues to 1273 01:08:05,400 --> 01:08:09,400 pay for the arrow as well as a big costed attack. 1274 01:08:09,400 --> 01:08:12,800 What I really like about this weapon as well is that it is 1275 01:08:12,800 --> 01:08:18,560 also referenced in the 2 big ass arrows that Marlin has access 1276 01:08:18,560 --> 01:08:21,680 to, King Kraken Harpoon and King Shark Harpoon. 1277 01:08:21,680 --> 01:08:25,080 Both of them reference cannons and when you use a cannon you 1278 01:08:25,080 --> 01:08:28,120 get a bonus effect. So I just like the, you know, 1279 01:08:28,319 --> 01:08:32,200 sort of future proofing of Marlin being like this extremely 1280 01:08:32,200 --> 01:08:35,279 overrate Ranger that just uses all the good Ranger cards. 1281 01:08:35,479 --> 01:08:38,120 So yeah, really excited about this card for high seas and what 1282 01:08:38,120 --> 01:08:39,880 it does to Ranger. Yeah. 1283 01:08:39,880 --> 01:08:43,200 What do you got, Clark? For my card, I'm doing Command 1284 01:08:43,200 --> 01:08:45,960 and Conquer because now I have a really big extended air Command 1285 01:08:45,960 --> 01:08:48,399 and Conquer. Holy, I don't know, man. 1286 01:08:48,399 --> 01:08:51,479 Like that was a big thing for me that like I had all these 1287 01:08:51,479 --> 01:08:54,399 tickets and I was able to spend them on something really big and 1288 01:08:54,399 --> 01:08:56,479 cool. Like sounds fun. 1289 01:08:56,760 --> 01:09:00,560 I, I want us to put a big photo of me looking like a dope in the 1290 01:09:00,560 --> 01:09:03,359 apartment with me holding the big card in front of me. 1291 01:09:04,000 --> 01:09:07,840 I also want to use this moment as a chance of telling the story 1292 01:09:07,840 --> 01:09:11,319 of how did I get this home? Because I did a whole extra week 1293 01:09:11,319 --> 01:09:14,040 in Italy. Because after Pro Tour London, I 1294 01:09:14,040 --> 01:09:17,120 didn't just come home. I spent a whole other week in 1295 01:09:17,120 --> 01:09:22,840 Italy on vacation. So like, I had to, I had to ship 1296 01:09:22,840 --> 01:09:25,760 this home, right? Because it's not going to fit on 1297 01:09:25,760 --> 01:09:27,319 a plane. It doesn't fit in the overhead 1298 01:09:27,319 --> 01:09:30,439 things and I'm not going to like buy another plane ticket for it. 1299 01:09:30,760 --> 01:09:35,800 So I had to go to the local post office and be like, hey, can you 1300 01:09:35,800 --> 01:09:37,560 ship this? And they're like, no, we don't 1301 01:09:37,560 --> 01:09:39,000 have anything big enough for this. 1302 01:09:39,120 --> 01:09:41,760 It's not like, oh, OK, who else can I go to? 1303 01:09:41,760 --> 01:09:43,279 And they're like, don't know, buddy. 1304 01:09:43,479 --> 01:09:47,920 And I'm like, oh shit. So my flight is at like I need 1305 01:09:47,920 --> 01:09:51,120 to get on a plane to go to my flight at like noon. 1306 01:09:51,439 --> 01:09:55,320 So I get up at 7:30 in the morning and I am running around 1307 01:09:55,320 --> 01:10:00,520 London trying to find a way of shipping this and nobody has 1308 01:10:00,520 --> 01:10:02,680 anything available. I spend like 20 minutes on the 1309 01:10:02,680 --> 01:10:06,120 phone with the guy being like where can I go for someone to 1310 01:10:06,120 --> 01:10:09,240 help me package this? I I'll ship it, I'll spend all 1311 01:10:09,240 --> 01:10:11,880 the money I need to to ship it, but where can I just get this 1312 01:10:12,080 --> 01:10:15,840 package so that it is safe? This is in like a loose bubble 1313 01:10:15,840 --> 01:10:19,760 wrap right now. So I'm running around 1314 01:10:19,960 --> 01:10:23,960 desperately, desperately trying to find a way of packaging this 1315 01:10:23,960 --> 01:10:29,160 thing so I can fucking ship it home and I just cannot find 1316 01:10:29,400 --> 01:10:33,960 anything. And finally, I end up going to 1317 01:10:33,960 --> 01:10:36,760 this really, really big international shipping Royal 1318 01:10:36,760 --> 01:10:42,480 Post Office and this guy who just like sells things, he's 1319 01:10:42,480 --> 01:10:46,120 just like a counter clerk comes around and he's like, I'm going 1320 01:10:46,120 --> 01:10:48,800 to help you. I'm like, God fucking bless you. 1321 01:10:49,320 --> 01:10:51,960 And he like gets the biggest box they have. 1322 01:10:52,240 --> 01:10:57,240 And he goes, now if we fold this into a box, it won't fit that. 1323 01:10:57,600 --> 01:11:03,400 But if we leave it flat and you wrap all the corners down you 1324 01:11:03,400 --> 01:11:04,720 can. Oh man. 1325 01:11:04,720 --> 01:11:10,120 So I had to buy this box, leave it UN essentially unassembled 1326 01:11:10,360 --> 01:11:16,200 and then fold it fucking origami style around this oversized card 1327 01:11:16,400 --> 01:11:20,200 and then buy an entire thing of packing tape that says fragile 1328 01:11:20,200 --> 01:11:23,960 on it and just tape it down. I spend like an hour in this 1329 01:11:23,960 --> 01:11:28,280 post office taping this down so that no water can get in and 1330 01:11:28,280 --> 01:11:30,760 it's protected. And I write fragile on the front 1331 01:11:30,760 --> 01:11:33,120 and I big brain this shit. I big brain this shit. 1332 01:11:33,200 --> 01:11:37,680 I specifically run out of room riding fragile on the thing so 1333 01:11:37,680 --> 01:11:41,280 that it looks like a kid did it. And then I write please handle 1334 01:11:41,280 --> 01:11:44,600 with tears :) I'm like, they're going to think a little kid is 1335 01:11:44,600 --> 01:11:46,520 shipping something home and they're not going to fuck with 1336 01:11:46,520 --> 01:11:48,640 it. Don't fuck with my God damn 1337 01:11:48,640 --> 01:11:52,400 expensive oversized CNC card, please for the love of God. 1338 01:11:53,320 --> 01:11:55,440 And it got home. It got home safe and sound. 1339 01:11:55,720 --> 01:11:58,000 No big dents. They weren't fucking throwing 1340 01:11:58,000 --> 01:11:59,560 that shit on the plane or around. 1341 01:11:59,560 --> 01:12:03,840 It was nice and protected and thank you, Thank you, Royal Post 1342 01:12:03,840 --> 01:12:07,040 Thank you man whose name I've forgotten, who was the counter 1343 01:12:07,040 --> 01:12:09,640 clerk, who helped me figure out the packaging solution. 1344 01:12:10,080 --> 01:12:11,760 Thank you man who helped me figure out how to 1345 01:12:11,760 --> 01:12:13,720 internationally ship this thing safely. 1346 01:12:13,720 --> 01:12:17,520 Like everyone fucking came together in that moment and I 1347 01:12:17,520 --> 01:12:20,880 made it to my train on time and I got to my flight on time and I 1348 01:12:20,880 --> 01:12:25,680 got to Italy on time and it was all fine and not stressful at 1349 01:12:25,680 --> 01:12:29,160 all. Sounds so exhausting. 1350 01:12:30,280 --> 01:12:32,480 It was. Bro, I get to the train station 1351 01:12:32,480 --> 01:12:35,240 at noon and they're like, there's another one in 25 1352 01:12:35,240 --> 01:12:38,160 minutes, just go eat some lunch and I'm like thank Christ. 1353 01:12:42,000 --> 01:12:44,200 These strangers in London sound really nice. 1354 01:12:44,200 --> 01:12:47,280 They were really nice. It was a great trip. 1355 01:12:47,840 --> 01:12:50,840 Well, I think that's about time for us to wrap up our podcast. 1356 01:12:50,840 --> 01:12:53,360 Everyone, thank you so much for listening. 1357 01:12:54,960 --> 01:12:57,760 And be sure to join the Patreon. If you didn't hear your card 1358 01:12:57,760 --> 01:13:00,680 mentioned in the Arsenal zone, just submit it next week and 1359 01:13:00,680 --> 01:13:03,320 we'll try and get to you. It's randomly picked, so keep 1360 01:13:03,320 --> 01:13:05,920 sending your suggestions and we'll get to you sometime, yeah. 1361 01:13:06,880 --> 01:13:09,760 Thank you all so very much. We look forward to reading all 1362 01:13:09,760 --> 01:13:12,320 your opinions in the comments section or on our discord. 1363 01:13:14,400 --> 01:13:38,040 Guys, bye. Digit to Me podcast is hosted by 1364 01:13:38,200 --> 01:13:41,280 Fuzzy Delp, Clark Moore and Joe Racinos. 1365 01:13:41,440 --> 01:13:45,040 Our executive producer is Talon Stradley, Logistics coordinator 1366 01:13:45,080 --> 01:13:48,960 John Farkas. Music by Dylan Hulse, Logo by 1367 01:13:49,160 --> 01:13:52,240 Han V, and sound mixing by Christopher Moore. 1368 01:13:52,480 --> 01:13:55,480 Last but not least, we'd like to thank you, the listener. 1369 01:13:55,760 --> 01:13:58,800 Thank you for tuning in. Please give us a follow on your 1370 01:13:58,800 --> 01:14:02,560 favorite social media platform at Pitch It to Me Podcast.