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Metal Mastermind, cofounder and 
your cohost Jason Stallworth 

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Also cofounder, cohost with me 
the great. 

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Here we go, here we go, man. 
Guys, Selfcontrol, we're going 

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to talk about selfcontrol today.
Things that serve you, Things 

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that do not serve you, making 
sure you have reasons to do 

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certain things versus not to do 
certain things, overindulging 

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and all things of these sorts. 
Ken, this is going to be kind of

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wild and crazy. 
Of course, You and I pretty much

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had our own little podcast kind 
of heart to heart here before we

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started this one. 
And Ken's like, you know, do you

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want to talk about this today? 
So I'm like, why not? 

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Yeah, well, because we're always
heart to heart, you know, we're 

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very honest with each other. 
So you know, self indulgence or 

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just self lack of self-control 
is that's a very human thing. 

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And I feel it's it's something 
that I struggle with many times 

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and you've admitted to me you 
struggle with too. 

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And it's it's something that I 
don't know if it's ever. 

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Curable, if you want to call it 
that, because it kind of feels 

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like a disease sometimes and I'm
just like, man, I can't shake 

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this thing. 
It's it's hard to to actually 

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like feel like I'm in control 
sometimes. 

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But you know, we we all have to 
deal with that. 

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It's it's very it's very hard 
and pressing and it can be very 

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stressful and it can affect, you
know, your relationships. 

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It can affect. 
Your your, your business, your 

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your life, your standards. 
You know everything. 

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And I feel a lot of the things 
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podcast are always in line with,
you know, creating the future 

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that you want to create with the
music that you want to create. 

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And part of that becomes a way 
to recognize, you know, how much

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do you need to delegate your 
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How much do you need to delegate
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Where are you splitting off 
where you shouldn't be and being

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aware about where you are in 
realistic and being, you know, 

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optimistic on where you want to 
go and how you can get there. 

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But also, you know, trying to 
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get to those places. 
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feel are mostly emotional. 
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The emotional ones are hard. 
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That can be difficult, I think. 
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us musicians, because we are 
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a creator to an assert to a 
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as musicians, not even specific 
to metal genre, just musicians 

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in general. 
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musicians and have their fair 
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substances, right. 
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that, but any any genre you're 
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So I think that and that we've 
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and then other videos that 
musicians we have a little bit 

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more open emotional side, a 
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general because that's how we 
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our music, through our lyrics or
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You know, I guess I'll, I'll 
share a quick thing that I just 

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shared with Ken earlier before 
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it's very relevant. 
It it does relate to alcohol and

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this entire podcast is not going
to be about alcohol. 

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We're not going to go that route
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struggle, some people don't. 
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that they know they have an 
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There are people that, you know 
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I'd like to think that I'm one 
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There are also people that think
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it all together. 
Before we get into this, I just 

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want to preface by saying that, 
you know, you need to be honest 

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with yourself about where you're
at and don't let someone else do

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that for you, whether it's 
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whether whether they're telling 
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you know it's not. 
So that's just a very personal 

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decision. 
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But so I played a double header.
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You guys don't play live solo 
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You know, three to four weeks 
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In my local area, the Tampa Bay 
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I had a four hour show. 
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Pretty cool day. 
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myself not necessarily at the 
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I found myself drinking a little
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You know, just in general, 
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never even allow myself to get 
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usually have pre show beer okay 
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show I might have one or two 
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times that that third one will 
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we're hanging out with people. 
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know four to five sometimes more
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toasted. 
I just, I will not do that at a 

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gig. 
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very clear. 
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all musicians that play live 
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Don't allow yourself through 
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Nobody wants to hear a drunk or 
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that you do, nobody wants to 
hear that you do not perform 

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well. 
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yourself if you're drunk or high
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I'm not a smoker, never have 
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But I love craft beer. 
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a gig. 
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Like, yeah, I don't know. 
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that, no. 
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that. 
You know you don't want to be 

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associated with that. 
My I was with a band when I was,

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I was like many. 
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drinking age. 
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I was going around New York 
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The Take Tones. 
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of stuff. 
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bit of Nine Inch Nails with a 
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like some funk. 
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It was actually some really cool
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But I remember this was like, it
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we were rehearsing, everything 
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Everything was really chill. 
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liked to have like maybe a beer 
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like ever anything crazy. 
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lot of disappointment because 
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singer was a big fan of Engve 
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always just kind of talk about 
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upbringing. 
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When we got to this gig, it was 
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This guy got blastered. 
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Like he fell off the stage into 
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walked off stage, and I said I'm
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This is not for me. 
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The amount of just like remorse 
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actions and I just said no like 
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really interested anymore. 
I can tell that this is not 

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something that I want to be a 
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associated with that, man, you 
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not, I'm not talking about 
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That's that's not where I was 
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You know with what happened just
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saying that I just didn't. 
I just chose not to have any 

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beer no preshow beer no 
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Because again you know I've been
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the past couple of months where 
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should have. 
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preshow beer and probably one 
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know the most at my shows. 
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towards the end and then maybe 
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hanging out, you know, you know,
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But I just, I just felt in in my
spirit, you know, and you really

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have to be honest with yourself.
I just felt this nudge like, 

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hey, you know what? 
Just don't drink any beer in 

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today's shows. 
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okay. 
Well, that's I don't really have

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a problem with this. 
I mean, it's not a big deal, but

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then I start thinking more about
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I'm like, wait a minute, can I 
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without any beer? 
I mean, don't I need something? 

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Because it it does relax you a 
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So I just did it, you know, I 
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I did drink a soda. 
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glycogen levels that it depleted
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gig. 
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And you know, it wasn't really 
something that I say, hey one so

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proud of myself for doing this, 
but it was just something I felt

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like I needed to do at that 
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And I only share the story with 
you guys to encourage you to 

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listen to your intuition. 
Guys, you know, I've said this 

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before. 
I believe that if you have a 

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pure heart and you have pure 
intent, your intuition, while 

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you always guide you in the 
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your intuition, that little 
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your higher power. 
Whatever you want to call it is 

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telling you to do something or 
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And a lot of times this is a 
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It's just a still, soft, quiet 
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If you shun that voice, then 
it's going to be more difficult 

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to hear that voice when you need
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If you pay attention to these 
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did Sunday, then I believe that 
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greater volumes to you and 
things that you need to do or 

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not need to do at certain 
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prevalent, will be more in your 
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And I'm really wanting to, to 
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listening to that, even the 
little things, even when you 

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think it's like okay. 
Well, you you're telling me I 

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should do this or shouldn't do 
this and I'm do what I want to 

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do anyway. 
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listen to that intuition again 
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and pure heart, you know, I 
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that, Ken. 
Well, I think a lot of the most 

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successful people out there have
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lifestyle. 
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removing the clutter, I think 
that's exactly what they mean. 

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It's to remove the things that 
tempt you, you know, to remove 

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the energies that are 
distracting and really that's 

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why. 
You know, people always say you 

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can't be doing multiple things 
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You know, you have to like take 
away a lot of the stuff that, 

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you know, turn your focus from 
doing what it is that you really

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need to work on, you know, right
now it's like that's kind of one

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of the things I do struggle 
with, which is being efficient 

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with what am I doing day-to-day 
to hit goals that I really want 

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to hit in my life. 
And that's, you know, part of it

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is just, you know, it's life. 
It's like I need to, I need to 

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eat, you know. 
So I can't always do this one 

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thing that I really want to do 
because I need to, you know, 

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divert my attention and energy 
so that I can do something that 

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sustains me and that that is an 
an internal struggle that I deal

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with. 
Does it mean that it stops you? 

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It just means it slows you down,
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that get to certain things. 
I was actually just watching a. 

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Another podcast before we got on
and it was talking about mixing 

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analog and digital and you know,
I we've talked about that 

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before, but they were also 
bringing to light, you know, 

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what are the differences between
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at the top versus the people 
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hobby or even if they try to be 
professional, they're just 

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nowhere near the level of degree
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Like a great mixing engine. 
It's and it's a lot to do with 

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like what do you do on a daily 
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You know, you just don't. 
That's all they do. 

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These guys, they just mix. 
It's literally all they do and 

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they can't do anything else. 
You know, they they really don't

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have a lot of time for anything 
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booked and that's what they have
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And I I look at that and it's 
it's so telling. 

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To the degree, you know, many 
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getting started in an industry 
like music, our ambitions and 

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dreams from the beginning are 
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the top. 
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seasoned and gone through it, I 
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expressions where you say, oh 
you, you know, you shoots for 

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the stars, but you land on the 
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the industry, they're. 
They don't. 

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They they start to let those 
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fade away and they they land on 
the moon and they said, you know

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what, I'm fine here and I think 
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how your situation in life, 
where where it puts you, you 

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know, I understand that not 
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fantastic mix engineer or a 
fantastic guitars or a fantastic

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drummer, you know, whatever it 
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But it's also important that you
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circumstances of where you are 
right now, impede you on the way

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to trying to achieve what it is 
that you want to achieve. 

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I think you have to always kind 
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you know you live your life and 
you never get the chance to 

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necessarily do that. 
I think it's important to always

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have that kind of energy of 
always trying to achieve better.

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And you know, moving a little 
bit closer to your goal and if 

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you know life cuts you short 
before that goal, at least you 

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tried and you weren't, you never
gave up. 

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You know, I think that's more 
important than than you know, 

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necessarily hitting that goal. 
You know, not everybody's going 

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to be a Jimi Hendrix or you know
any of you know or a Ronnie 

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James Dio, you know, you're 
going to have the exceptions out

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there and. 
What did they do that maybe 

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you're not doing you know maybe 
trying to figure out bits and 

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pieces that work for you in your
life that can try to help you 

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emulate what these greats were 
doing, will helps you know segue

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and speed your process up. 
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a very real conversation, you 
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of you know, are you doing 
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Are you able to control a 
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happening around you in order to
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And Jason, you've always said 
that you always thought that 

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your life is in your own hands, 
and I believe that too. 

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What are your thoughts? 
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struggles throughout life is, is
I tend to go all in on things, 

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but I tend to try to go all in 
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which is it rolls into what 
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rolls into what I, you know, 
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whole beer thing. 
Not choosing not to have beer 

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for that day, you know, tearing 
my gigs. 

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Because again, it wasn't that. 
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It's not that I'm going to not 
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love craft beer, you know, but 
but it was just something was 

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just nudging me to just go this 
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So I did that right and I don't 
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without it or or whatever. 
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by however I'm led internally 
knowing that you know that I'm 

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truly listening to that 
intuition. 

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But going all in on something 
like that which I've done in the

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past, well, that's not healthy. 
But Speaking of going all in 

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too, you know, can you know the 
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I, I, you know, worked in the 
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time, started my my guitar 
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2010. 
I also started a website called 

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the Muscle Program, a blog with 
the YouTube channel in 2010, 

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sell it in marketing products, 
selling ebooks in the fitness 

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industry while trying to learn 
studio recording. 

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Because I was new to the whole 
digital software thing, the 

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dolls and all that. 
Like what is this, man? 

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I was used to recording on the 
the standalone recorders, the 

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digital recorders, that and an 
old Fossex DMT eight. 

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I think there's a first 
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really cool device. 
I mean I'm like whoa, well, you 

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know, I I never. 
I was kind of, I got into 

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recording, you know, after the 
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thing. 
You're right. 

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When I got into recording, these
digital standalone devices were 

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available, which were great. 
I remember punching in, punching

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out with a little keyboard 
pedal. 

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But any case though, you know, I
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different things. 
You know, I always tell people 

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I've I've been attempting to be 
an entrepreneur since 2010. 

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You know, in in. 
Just for those who don't know, I

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left my corporate job about 3 
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I've been a fulltime musician 
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then. 
So I would have made that go a 

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lot sooner though had I not 
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A good friend told me and can 
we've said this before, you 

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chase two rabbits, you won't 
catch any. 

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And if you 0 down and focus on 
one thing for right now and get 

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really good at that thing, wait 
till that cup is full, then you 

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can start diversifying your 
talents, right? 

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So if you want to be a fulltime 
musician, then go for that right

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now. 
Pour all of your energy into 

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that. 
Now you'll create multiple 

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things within that. 
You might play live music, you 

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might record your own album, you
might have a YouTube channel, 

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you know for your music, but 
it's all related to your music, 

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right? 
Go all in on that right now, but

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don't try to start something 
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I was watching one of Alex for 
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He's he's a kind of a YouTube 
famous entrepreneur and and 

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business owner but I I love his 
you straightforward, no BS, just

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simple in your face. 
This is this is how you need to 

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do things if you want to 
succeed. 

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Or this is at least the concept 
you need to realize he had One 

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Cup full of liquid and he has 
several other anti cups. 

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He's like when you're trying to 
do too many things, you pour a 

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little bit here in this cup, 
then go pour a little in this 

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cup and you pour, you know, 
fluid and all these other cups, 

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these six or seven other cups 
here. 

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So now your cup, your original 
cup's empty. 

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We only got a little bit of 
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meaning there is no substantial 
progress. 

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Whereas if you took that One Cup
you have and poured all that 

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into just One Cup until it's 
full, then you can start 

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expanding. 
You know, a lot of people say, 

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well, the wealthiest people in 
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businesses. 
They do, right? 

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They diversify. 
But they didn't start that way. 

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Most people that are successful 
started with the one thing, the 

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one concept. 
So that that's a lesson to 

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myself that I learned very late 
in life. 

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You know, the Ken is learning 
very early in life because, you 

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know, you're a young man and I'm
an old man, dude. 

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But hopefully that makes sense. 
So you know put pour your energy

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into that one, that one genre of
of whatever you're doing right. 

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Whether if you if you're wanting
to start a business for example,

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you want to if you want to 
start, you want to start a craft

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beer brewery, that's your thing.
Well, don't also try to start a 

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blog about something else or 
start recording an album. 

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Do that one thing that you want 
to do right now. 

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There are seasons in life. 
You know Ken. 

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You know you and I are both 
finishing up an album. 

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I'm going to be done with mine 
very soon. 

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You've got have some more to go 
on yours, but you know we we 

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have to realize that while we're
working on certain things right 

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now, this is the vision, this is
the focus. 

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The other things are going to 
need to take a back seat. 

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Now once you get that project 
finished and get it to up to the

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point where you want it where 
it's successful and and you're 

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happy with that again, then 
maybe you can work on a 

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different project, you know and 
import your poor as much energy 

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as you can into that one. 
So I don't know, I I hope that I

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hope that helps somebody. 
You know, I always think that 

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you know Ken as we're talking 
about this stuff, this is like 

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some deep like real life type 
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hope that it helps. 
I just hope that it helps you 

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guys. 
Hopes help somebody. 

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Yeah, I mean, your analogy there
is great. 

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I love that idea. 
You know you're only have so 

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much in your cup and you know in
order to dispense. 

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All that into something, you 
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to speak. 
It's not going to be, it's not 

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going to be. 
You know, it's not going to bear

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a lot of fruit. 
You need to you need to keep 

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nurturing what it is that needs 
it. 

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And if you don't have the energy
or you know Elizabeth, she's 

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she's funny because she hear she
heard somebody said you have 

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let's say like a balance every 
day and they're called like 

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energy bucks. 
And how many energy bucks did 

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you spend doing this thing 
today? 

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And it's like, oh man, you know,
that's eating up like 6060%, 

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that's $60.00 of my $100. 
And now I only have $40.00 left 

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to devote to this other thing 
that I wanted to do today. 

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And it's like, OK, how can you 
spend less energy bucks on this 

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thing that you don't want to do 
and more on the thing that you 

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do want to do? 
Right. 

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And that's that's another way of
I guess thinking about it. 

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But it's it's always fascinating
to me how how wise. 

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You know like ancient like 
philosophers use like certain 

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analogies and those proverbs 
that you hear and it's like in a

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in a in a way they're kind of 
cheesy because they're like used

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in memes every day. 
But it's like, oh man, somebody 

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was like speaking like some real
truth though. 

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And they're so, I mean you're 
you're, you know. 

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Yeah, all the problems that we 
have today like in not 

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necessarily the same way, but 
people have always been feeling.

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So you can, you can be sure that
maybe the stress that you feel 

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today of having to, you know, if
you have to uphold your your 

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family or you have to pay rent 
or you have to you know you have

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to get some food because you're 
hungry and you don't have that 

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much money. 
So you got to get pizza or 

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something like, you know, like 
some guy back in like Rome. 

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Had that, you know same problem 
and he had to do it his way and 

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you have to do it your way. 
And we're tied throughout 

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history this way, which is a is 
a very fascinating thing and I 

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feel much more connected to you 
know ancestors and historical 

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figures of the past because of 
it. 

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But you know when you're getting
to a point with your you know 

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your music and you you have. 
A clear goal of saying, you 

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know, this is going to be a 
completed effort that I'm going 

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to make and this is what I want 
to do with my life. 

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And you know, as long as you 
keep attributing the focus to 

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that. 
And we always like the term of 

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moving the needle forward. 
And it's something we've, we've 

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heard many times from our own 
mentors. 

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That is very, very true. 
And it's never about comparing 

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yourself to somebody else. 
It's always about comparing 

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yourself to yourself. 
And you can see the progress 

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that you've made over over the 
years. 

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And that's what you should 
really be, you know, focusing on

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it. 
Am I doing better than I was a 

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year ago or two years? 
And if not, why what? 

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What did I do wrong and how can 
I? 

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You know, get back on track and 
those, you know, sort of moments

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in life, you know, I call them 
milestones. 

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Like there are certain events 
that happen in your life that 

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absolutely changed your 
trajectory and it's important to

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recognize them when they come 
around. 

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Sometimes it's not always so 
obvious, sometimes it's very 

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obvious, but those moments are 
self defining and. 

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When you reflect and you think 
about all that you've gone 

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through, what were the moments 
that really defined you? 

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And what are the things that 
help propel you and fuel you to 

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keep doing what it is that 
you're doing? 

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And it all comes down to why. 
Why did you do what you do? 

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You know, if you're feeling that
this is your to me, it's always 

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felt like a sacred duty. 
It's it's something that speaks 

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to you on a level that you feel 
is maybe even beyond you. 

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Like I even. 
And said in my own, my own 

445
00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:40,480
forward that I always, I always 
felt that Homeric was, you know,

446
00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:42,560
my my music, It was always 
bigger than I was. 

447
00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:47,200
Like I I may have, you know, 
been the composer or the creator

448
00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:50,680
of it, but I always felt like it
was never really mine. 

449
00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:54,640
It always felt like it was part 
of like the universe, like it it

450
00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:57,600
it was, it just existed. 
And I just kind of had to 

451
00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:03,190
interpret that for mortals. 
So I say it's like the word of 

452
00:26:03,190 --> 00:26:04,790
God. 
You know, I'm not a very 

453
00:26:04,790 --> 00:26:08,910
religious man, but that's that's
how I feel music is. 

454
00:26:08,910 --> 00:26:11,190
It's kind of like the language 
of God. 

455
00:26:11,830 --> 00:26:16,750
And we have like a special 
ability to interpret that. 

456
00:26:16,870 --> 00:26:20,630
And you know, it's maybe it's a 
beautiful way of looking at it, 

457
00:26:20,630 --> 00:26:24,470
but I I try to always keep in 
mind that this kind of 

458
00:26:24,470 --> 00:26:28,990
information it's going to have, 
you know, some. 

459
00:26:30,210 --> 00:26:32,890
How would you say it's it's 
going to have an impact on on 

460
00:26:32,890 --> 00:26:36,810
your outlook and you have to be 
very, very aware that your 

461
00:26:37,050 --> 00:26:41,370
viewpoint is based on your your 
predications, your your, your 

462
00:26:41,370 --> 00:26:44,010
your situations. 
And you could always change 

463
00:26:44,010 --> 00:26:46,650
that. 
And by changing that and 

464
00:26:46,650 --> 00:26:50,770
changing who you're around or 
changing the people that are 

465
00:26:50,770 --> 00:26:54,570
going to be, you know part of 
your life, that's your inner 

466
00:26:54,570 --> 00:26:56,810
circle. 
These are the things that we do 

467
00:26:56,810 --> 00:26:58,610
in, in many ways have control 
over. 

468
00:26:59,020 --> 00:27:03,620
And what you decide to do with 
that time or or or spend it with

469
00:27:03,620 --> 00:27:11,340
who can have a ginormous impact 
on how you, you know, you move 

470
00:27:11,340 --> 00:27:14,140
forward. 
So pay attention to that. 

471
00:27:14,180 --> 00:27:17,660
I had to, I had to separate from
people in my life that did, you 

472
00:27:17,660 --> 00:27:21,660
know, the opposite for me, that 
they were going against what I 

473
00:27:21,660 --> 00:27:22,700
wanted to do. 
They were. 

474
00:27:22,700 --> 00:27:26,820
They were resistance in my in my
efforts. 

475
00:27:27,340 --> 00:27:34,660
And those are not easy moments 
to, you know, realize and 

476
00:27:34,660 --> 00:27:36,860
clarify to yourself and say, you
know what? 

477
00:27:36,860 --> 00:27:42,260
I actually this person really 
doesn't, doesn't serve my best 

478
00:27:42,260 --> 00:27:45,020
interests. 
I need to, I need to cut them 

479
00:27:45,020 --> 00:27:46,780
out of my life. 
And that can be a very difficult

480
00:27:46,980 --> 00:27:48,980
thing. 
You know, it's not easy to do 

481
00:27:48,980 --> 00:27:52,540
those, but they're necessary if 
you want to achieve what it is 

482
00:27:52,540 --> 00:27:56,810
that you want to achieve so. 
I had a heart to heart with 

483
00:27:56,850 --> 00:27:59,890
Elizabeth at one point and 
saying she was like, you know, 

484
00:28:00,490 --> 00:28:04,010
out of everything that happened 
with Homeric, you know, do you 

485
00:28:04,010 --> 00:28:08,810
think that it slowed you down? 
And do you think that, you know,

486
00:28:08,810 --> 00:28:11,090
you regret what happened? 
And I said, you know what, No, 

487
00:28:11,970 --> 00:28:15,130
Yeah, it did slow down a little 
bit, but it's it's way better 

488
00:28:15,130 --> 00:28:19,250
than it was before. 
So the efforts were worth it. 

489
00:28:19,770 --> 00:28:24,490
I'm not going to ever say that. 
It wasn't so that. 

490
00:28:25,210 --> 00:28:28,970
You know, made me realize how 
important that moment in my life

491
00:28:28,970 --> 00:28:32,290
was. 
And if I had not done that, we 

492
00:28:32,290 --> 00:28:36,730
would have never, you know, had 
what we have now, which is, you 

493
00:28:36,730 --> 00:28:39,730
know, the thing that I've always
dreamed of creating. 

494
00:28:39,810 --> 00:28:44,090
And I'm very proud of it. 
Yeah, that's good stuff, dude, 

495
00:28:44,090 --> 00:28:46,770
you know, and it's important the
the people aspect, we've talked 

496
00:28:46,770 --> 00:28:49,650
about that a lot, you know? 
I know it's hard to cut people 

497
00:28:49,650 --> 00:28:52,610
out of your life and you you 
might have some people or a 

498
00:28:52,610 --> 00:28:55,970
friend or whatever that you just
tend to hang out maybe a little 

499
00:28:55,970 --> 00:28:58,410
too much with. 
And yeah, we all like to hang 

500
00:28:58,410 --> 00:29:01,700
out and and have a good time or 
whatever, but honestly, I don't,

501
00:29:01,740 --> 00:29:05,460
I don't really have time to just
hang out too much anymore. 

502
00:29:06,300 --> 00:29:09,140
And when I do, I enjoy it and 
and usually when I do, it's just

503
00:29:09,140 --> 00:29:10,460
my wife and I hanging out, you 
know. 

504
00:29:10,860 --> 00:29:13,660
But we did get to hang out with 
some friends. 

505
00:29:14,180 --> 00:29:16,580
Some of you know Drew, the 
Drinking with Drew show that 

506
00:29:16,820 --> 00:29:18,260
that I'm kind of affiliated 
with. 

507
00:29:18,420 --> 00:29:20,940
Really, really funny show, 
really cool, just off the wall, 

508
00:29:20,940 --> 00:29:24,020
completely unfiltered. 
I think Ken and I may get on 

509
00:29:24,020 --> 00:29:26,420
that at some point together. 
If we can, we can work it out. 

510
00:29:27,460 --> 00:29:30,220
But I just had a Mexican dinner 
with them and some other some 

511
00:29:30,220 --> 00:29:32,460
other friends apart and I'm 
like, man, you know, just kind 

512
00:29:32,460 --> 00:29:34,140
of feels good to do this every 
now and then. 

513
00:29:34,140 --> 00:29:37,820
But I don't get to do that too 
much and that's just because and

514
00:29:37,820 --> 00:29:40,180
I'm not complaining about it, 
It's just because I'm, I'm busy,

515
00:29:40,220 --> 00:29:42,900
you know, fulfilling my own 
vision. 

516
00:29:43,260 --> 00:29:46,260
You know, going out for my own 
goals and dreams here. 

517
00:29:46,700 --> 00:29:49,780
So like you said can you know we
we all have the same amount of 

518
00:29:49,780 --> 00:29:52,700
time during the day and we all 
get to choose how we spend that.

519
00:29:52,780 --> 00:29:54,700
Right. 
So the people that you're 

520
00:29:54,700 --> 00:29:58,740
around, if, if they're not, 
well, I should say this. 

521
00:29:58,740 --> 00:30:01,680
If. 
If they're, if they're trying to

522
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:04,520
block the way to your vision and
then you had to cut them out. 

523
00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:07,440
Yeah. 
And the thing, the same. 

524
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:10,360
Same goes for like time, time 
spent doing certain things. 

525
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:13,400
Time spent thinking about 
certain things. 

526
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:18,320
Man, our mind can go nuts. 
And that's the first thing I 

527
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:20,800
think we have to control. 
Number one is our brain, our 

528
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:23,600
mind, where that's going. 
Because that's the thing that 

529
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:27,000
leads to maybe hanging out with 
people that aren't and aren't 

530
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:29,320
aligned with our vision, or 
maybe doing certain things or 

531
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:31,440
not doing certain things that we
know we need to be doing. 

532
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:34,920
During one of my meditations 
recently, sometimes I'll get 

533
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:38,200
these, these, you call them 
affirmations or quotes or 

534
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:41,040
whatever you'll call them. 
You guys can quote me on this. 

535
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:43,680
This came to me. 
So I immediately got up and and 

536
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:45,360
and I and I wrote it my text 
pad. 

537
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:49,240
The limits you set for yourself 
in regards to discipline will 

538
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:52,040
allow you to be limitless in 
what you can achieve. 

539
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:55,510
I'll read it one more time. 
The limits you set for yourself 

540
00:30:55,510 --> 00:30:59,390
in regards to discipline will 
allow you to be limitless in 

541
00:30:59,390 --> 00:31:03,030
what you can achieve. 
So you have to set some limits 

542
00:31:03,030 --> 00:31:05,870
and some boundaries for 
yourself, for your own good and 

543
00:31:05,870 --> 00:31:09,310
for the sake of your vision, so 
that you can indeed be 

544
00:31:09,310 --> 00:31:11,830
limitless. 
Because if you don't set limits 

545
00:31:11,830 --> 00:31:15,470
for yourself, then other people 
will set those limits for you 

546
00:31:15,750 --> 00:31:18,830
right? 
Or just circumstances will will 

547
00:31:18,830 --> 00:31:21,190
set the limits for you. 
So you have to set the 

548
00:31:21,190 --> 00:31:24,830
boundaries for your own life in 
regards to who you spend time 

549
00:31:24,830 --> 00:31:28,430
with and what you're doing. 
You know, if you're having a 

550
00:31:28,430 --> 00:31:31,230
couple beers is what's the 
reason for having one more. 

551
00:31:31,230 --> 00:31:34,430
I'm using that as an example 
that can be used across the 

552
00:31:34,430 --> 00:31:36,590
board. 
But you know, if you feel like 

553
00:31:36,590 --> 00:31:39,630
you've had enough of whatever it
is that you're having, right? 

554
00:31:39,710 --> 00:31:41,670
It could be a piece of chocolate
cake. 

555
00:31:42,430 --> 00:31:46,070
Do you really need another bite 
or two after after you've 

556
00:31:46,070 --> 00:31:47,670
already had, you know, a decent 
amount, right. 

557
00:31:47,670 --> 00:31:50,670
So what is the reason that you 
need that one more? 

558
00:31:50,670 --> 00:31:53,430
I'm not saying don't do it. 
I'm not saying that you need to 

559
00:31:53,430 --> 00:31:56,950
completely shut everything out 
but sometimes you may need to 

560
00:31:57,810 --> 00:32:00,450
but when you when you when you 
aren't maybe you need to ask 

561
00:32:00,450 --> 00:32:03,610
yourself okay I I'm at this 
point do I really need to go 

562
00:32:03,610 --> 00:32:07,250
further because you know we all 
need our rest time and and and 

563
00:32:07,250 --> 00:32:09,850
time to you know to ourselves 
and that sort of thing. 

564
00:32:09,850 --> 00:32:12,090
But I I hope that makes sense 
guys. 

565
00:32:12,090 --> 00:32:14,770
You know you do have to set your
own limitations or or they will 

566
00:32:14,770 --> 00:32:16,970
be set for you. 
We all know how that works. 

567
00:32:18,980 --> 00:32:23,140
Oh my gosh, such a such a really
important conversation today. 

568
00:32:23,260 --> 00:32:27,620
You know, I I feel like this all
comes down to an emotion. 

569
00:32:27,700 --> 00:32:32,100
Or is it maybe it's a quality 
about, you know, your emotions. 

570
00:32:32,100 --> 00:32:36,980
It's called stoicism. 
You know that stoic personality 

571
00:32:37,100 --> 00:32:40,860
is super important in achieving 
your goals. 

572
00:32:40,900 --> 00:32:45,100
You need to be able to, you 
know, keep yourself in check, 

573
00:32:45,940 --> 00:32:48,060
and that requires a lot of 
awareness. 

574
00:32:48,820 --> 00:32:52,060
You, you perform meditations, 
you know, just like I do every 

575
00:32:52,060 --> 00:32:55,620
now and again. 
And these meditations are are a 

576
00:32:55,620 --> 00:32:59,660
way of keeping you stoic, 
keeping you aware, mentally 

577
00:33:00,300 --> 00:33:06,660
strong, to always stay 
levelheaded and not, you know, 

578
00:33:06,780 --> 00:33:10,260
succumb to your emotions and 
react and lash out. 

579
00:33:12,020 --> 00:33:15,380
Because when you do it, it 
becomes destructive. 

580
00:33:15,460 --> 00:33:17,940
It those. 
They don't allow you to really 

581
00:33:18,140 --> 00:33:21,100
focus in on the thing that you 
need to put your energy towards 

582
00:33:21,100 --> 00:33:25,500
and and they're exhausted. 
So when you where we talk about 

583
00:33:25,780 --> 00:33:30,300
you know efficiency it's it it's
not always the easiest thing to 

584
00:33:30,300 --> 00:33:32,660
do how I I struggle with 
efficiency myself. 

585
00:33:32,660 --> 00:33:35,660
You know I'm I'm very good at 
certain things and then other 

586
00:33:35,660 --> 00:33:40,260
things I'm not and that's okay 
because we're human. 

587
00:33:40,260 --> 00:33:42,500
We don't have, we're not built 
to be perfect. 

588
00:33:43,730 --> 00:33:46,930
But we're We're not a I robots. 
Yeah, we're not. 

589
00:33:46,930 --> 00:33:51,450
We're nowhere near. 
But that's that's the beautiful 

590
00:33:51,450 --> 00:33:53,930
part of it, right? 
That's what makes, you know, you

591
00:33:53,930 --> 00:33:58,130
know our story so relatable 
because we all go through these 

592
00:33:58,170 --> 00:34:01,850
things. 
They're they're by nature part 

593
00:34:01,850 --> 00:34:04,290
of who we are and what we 
struggle with. 

594
00:34:04,810 --> 00:34:09,050
And we're all trying to, you 
know, fit into a world. 

595
00:34:09,620 --> 00:34:12,659
That has been created. 
That is not fair. 

596
00:34:12,699 --> 00:34:18,860
It's totally like it's not 
perfect by any means. 

597
00:34:18,940 --> 00:34:21,780
And we're all just trying to 
make, buy and live our own 

598
00:34:21,780 --> 00:34:25,699
lives. 
And sometimes we find a way to 

599
00:34:25,699 --> 00:34:29,540
help improve it along. 
And that could be as simple as 

600
00:34:29,540 --> 00:34:32,500
you. 
Just decide you're not eating 

601
00:34:32,500 --> 00:34:35,420
any, any starch. 
You're always you're only going 

602
00:34:35,420 --> 00:34:38,060
to, you know, have a healthy 
diet. 

603
00:34:38,659 --> 00:34:40,460
It could be just as simple as 
that, you know? 

604
00:34:40,780 --> 00:34:42,620
And for some people that's even 
not simple. 

605
00:34:42,860 --> 00:34:45,460
You know it. 
It's sometimes the little things

606
00:34:45,500 --> 00:34:47,620
and they add up. 
And that's what we're trying to 

607
00:34:47,620 --> 00:34:50,860
get at, is that, you know, when 
you're trying to achieve your 

608
00:34:50,860 --> 00:34:53,420
goals, it's not really about the
the big things. 

609
00:34:53,420 --> 00:34:56,219
It's always about the little 
things that add up every day 

610
00:34:57,020 --> 00:34:58,980
towards doing what it is that 
you love to do. 

611
00:35:00,540 --> 00:35:02,820
You know you got to you got to 
keep your head down and keep at 

612
00:35:02,820 --> 00:35:04,620
it. 
Keep at it keep working at it 

613
00:35:05,580 --> 00:35:09,660
and and you know where when 
you're someone that like Jason 

614
00:35:09,660 --> 00:35:12,700
who's in a position right now 
where they're at the end of 

615
00:35:12,700 --> 00:35:16,220
their album, which is an amazing
feat, right? 

616
00:35:16,220 --> 00:35:19,460
You're This is your fifth album.
Now that's number five, man. 

617
00:35:20,140 --> 00:35:22,020
You know, that's that's an 
accomplishment. 

618
00:35:22,100 --> 00:35:26,860
And you know, some people, I 
think you know, don't ever get 

619
00:35:26,860 --> 00:35:31,240
to even make 5. 
So you're you're doing something

620
00:35:31,240 --> 00:35:35,280
that's very inspirational and 
you're entirely independent, 

621
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:37,120
which is even more 
inspirational. 

622
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:41,560
But the key thing that you've 
done, the past, you know, 13 

623
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:44,400
years ever since 2010 is just 
you kept your head down. 

624
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:48,080
You always kept making content. 
You always kept, you know, doing

625
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:50,720
what it is that you tried to do 
in order to become, you know, 

626
00:35:50,720 --> 00:35:52,200
this entrepreneur, which you 
already are. 

627
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:57,440
It's funny how it's like we're 
all trying to be entrepreneurs, 

628
00:35:57,440 --> 00:35:59,700
but it's like. 
This is what it is to be an 

629
00:35:59,700 --> 00:36:01,340
entrepreneur. 
It's just you're always trying 

630
00:36:02,820 --> 00:36:05,860
well and I think, I think The 
thing is, dude, I'll say this 

631
00:36:05,860 --> 00:36:08,980
and and hopefully this, this 
adds a lot of value here and 

632
00:36:08,980 --> 00:36:11,780
someone that wants to work for 
themselves no matter what it is.

633
00:36:11,780 --> 00:36:15,220
You might want to start a bakery
shop or something, which, hey, 

634
00:36:15,500 --> 00:36:17,700
look, Ken and I know we'll be 
there to support you and help 

635
00:36:17,700 --> 00:36:20,600
eat your food. 
But the one thing you have to 

636
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:23,560
realize, yeah, metal cupcakes. 
You have to realize that 

637
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:27,040
entrepreneurship is it's a lot 
of repetitive things to being 

638
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:29,400
able to do the repetitive 
things, even sometimes boring 

639
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:33,440
things, over and over and over 
and never get tired of it and 

640
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:36,960
keep pouring into it, keep 
pouring into it, keep doing 

641
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:39,680
things. 
Even though even though you 

642
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:43,520
don't see the successes there, 
there's that part of it. 

643
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:46,520
You have to keep going and going
and going and just, you know, 

644
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:50,060
believing that what you're doing
is going to manifest itself. 

645
00:36:50,220 --> 00:36:52,100
But this is the tricky part 
guys. 

646
00:36:52,140 --> 00:36:56,700
At the same time, you must have 
discernment to know when you 

647
00:36:56,700 --> 00:36:59,940
need to pivot and of course 
adapt to change, right? 

648
00:36:59,980 --> 00:37:03,380
Because you can put a lot of 
energy into something and it not

649
00:37:03,380 --> 00:37:06,060
go anywhere. 
And I did this for a long time 

650
00:37:06,260 --> 00:37:08,660
with my fitness blog. 
You know, I kept thinking, well,

651
00:37:09,060 --> 00:37:11,340
this is going to be the thing 
that pays the bills at some 

652
00:37:11,340 --> 00:37:15,980
point, the muscleprogram.com, 
which I don't really even mess 

653
00:37:15,980 --> 00:37:19,020
with it too much anymore. 
I'm going to revisit it here as 

654
00:37:19,020 --> 00:37:21,700
soon as I get to a certain level
with my music and everything 

655
00:37:21,700 --> 00:37:25,980
going on, I'll revisit and 
dedicate whatever time I think I

656
00:37:25,980 --> 00:37:28,020
can give to that. 
It won't be overdoing it because

657
00:37:28,020 --> 00:37:29,580
I don't want to take away from 
other things. 

658
00:37:29,620 --> 00:37:32,840
And again I we're building metal
mastermind, right? 

659
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:35,920
And that's related to our music 
as well which we're really 

660
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:39,280
pushing right now. 
So I don't want anything else to

661
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:41,960
distract from that. 
It can't or other. 

662
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:44,440
Otherwise we won't succeed in 
what we're trying to do. 

663
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:47,240
We won't have the mass success 
that we're looking to have and 

664
00:37:47,240 --> 00:37:50,840
that we will have. 
I've already seen this happen in

665
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:53,880
in the other realm so to speak 
and I know I'm getting off in 

666
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:57,280
left field you guys here, but 
I've already seen it happen, 

667
00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:01,160
right. 
So I need to align my actions 

668
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:03,920
and Kenny's aligned. 
We need to align our actions to 

669
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:06,840
support what we've already seen 
so that we can manifest that. 

670
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:09,960
So hopefully that makes sense. 
And that means I don't need to 

671
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:11,280
mess with anything else right 
now. 

672
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:13,680
Don't start or go back or do 
anything else right now. 

673
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:16,840
Focus on this. 
But I I just want to reiterate 

674
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:20,510
though that it does. 
It takes being able to put your 

675
00:38:20,510 --> 00:38:25,430
head down and just work and work
and work, and you just can't let

676
00:38:25,430 --> 00:38:27,190
anything else get in the way of 
that. 

677
00:38:27,710 --> 00:38:30,310
You can't do something for six 
months like, oh, it's not 

678
00:38:30,310 --> 00:38:32,470
working. 
So I need to go try this thing 

679
00:38:32,470 --> 00:38:35,430
over here now, Then you try 
that, oh, six months later, it's

680
00:38:35,430 --> 00:38:36,910
not working. 
So I'm going to go try this 

681
00:38:36,910 --> 00:38:38,870
before, you know, you've tried 
10 different things and nothing 

682
00:38:38,870 --> 00:38:41,790
worked. 
Whereas if you stuck it out for 

683
00:38:41,790 --> 00:38:45,470
just one of those things, you 
would have had some success in 

684
00:38:45,470 --> 00:38:48,030
it. 
Because I've said this before, 

685
00:38:49,030 --> 00:38:53,870
the more you push, the more you 
the more you work at something 

686
00:38:54,310 --> 00:38:57,470
you know, with, with the intent 
of it being grand, with the 10 

687
00:38:57,470 --> 00:39:00,870
event being great and going in 
with that mindset of, OK, I 

688
00:39:00,870 --> 00:39:04,310
already know this is going to be
great and you're going to follow

689
00:39:04,310 --> 00:39:05,750
through with the appropriate 
actions. 

690
00:39:06,230 --> 00:39:08,510
You sort of force the universe 
to work in your favor. 

691
00:39:08,510 --> 00:39:10,430
And I don't know if that's the 
right term or not, but it's just

692
00:39:10,430 --> 00:39:13,470
kind of something that came to 
me a while ago because I'd been 

693
00:39:13,470 --> 00:39:15,110
trying and trying and trying and
trying. 

694
00:39:15,110 --> 00:39:17,710
But again, I was trying to do a 
lot of different things. 

695
00:39:17,710 --> 00:39:20,790
When I stopped, everything else 
started focusing on the one 

696
00:39:20,790 --> 00:39:23,390
thing that I was really 
passionate about, my music and 

697
00:39:23,390 --> 00:39:25,870
all things related. 
It's not like, hey, I released 

698
00:39:25,870 --> 00:39:29,520
an album and it just went viral 
and I became, you know, great 

699
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:31,920
success overnight. 
You know, that didn't happen. 

700
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:35,960
I stuck with music. 
But I created assets, many 

701
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:39,960
assets surrounding that genre by
music, right? 

702
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:44,520
So this is part of it here too. 
And eventually I was able to 

703
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:47,280
jump ship and and just be on my 
own. 

704
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:50,480
You know, metal Mastermind is 
part of what I do, but 

705
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:52,960
everything else I do musically 
is also part of how I make a 

706
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:54,640
living. 
So I just want to reiterate that

707
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:56,400
you got to, you got to be able 
to stick your head down. 

708
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:58,800
You got to be able to say no to 
a lot of things so that you can 

709
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:01,360
say yes to the one thing that 
you're working towards. 

710
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:06,520
Yeah, yeah, you know, we're 
we're guys that are here doing 

711
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:10,200
this right now. 
We're not, you know, so far 

712
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:13,880
beyond anybody else. 
You know, we're not untouchable 

713
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:16,520
being. 
We're we're we're human beings 

714
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:20,180
that are real and we're trying 
to we're trying to make a 

715
00:40:20,180 --> 00:40:22,540
living. 
We're trying to, you know, do 

716
00:40:22,540 --> 00:40:25,620
the best that we can with what 
we've got and we're also trying 

717
00:40:25,620 --> 00:40:27,580
to make an impact in people's 
life at the same time. 

718
00:40:27,740 --> 00:40:32,580
So, you know, we're talking to 
you as just people that want to 

719
00:40:32,580 --> 00:40:35,060
make something happen. 
And it's. 

720
00:40:35,420 --> 00:40:39,980
I hope that when you're 
listening to this podcast or any

721
00:40:39,980 --> 00:40:43,660
of the episodes that we have is 
not just this one, but anything 

722
00:40:43,660 --> 00:40:47,290
that you've hear heard from us 
and metal mastermind that you 

723
00:40:47,290 --> 00:40:51,170
know it's it's coming from a 
place of you know, genuine like 

724
00:40:51,410 --> 00:40:55,210
care that we really want to make
something that is really helping

725
00:40:55,210 --> 00:40:57,570
people. 
And you know, we tried day in 

726
00:40:57,570 --> 00:41:02,690
and day out to see any way that 
we can help create a better 

727
00:41:03,050 --> 00:41:07,010
experience, a better product. 
And we're always, you know, 

728
00:41:07,010 --> 00:41:10,610
Jason and I, we always kind of 
like talk to each other on text.

729
00:41:10,610 --> 00:41:14,290
And we always, you know, Jason 
sends me a lot of like, 

730
00:41:14,290 --> 00:41:16,890
inspirational stuff, which is 
really always fun because it's 

731
00:41:16,890 --> 00:41:20,410
like, hey, yeah, he's like, hey,
hey man, we gotta, we gotta, we 

732
00:41:20,410 --> 00:41:23,290
gotta think like this. 
We gotta step up our game, man. 

733
00:41:23,930 --> 00:41:27,170
This is awesome. 
Like I love having this guy in 

734
00:41:27,170 --> 00:41:28,770
my corner. 
This is so cool. 

735
00:41:29,050 --> 00:41:31,730
You know get you need to have 
somebody in your life like that 

736
00:41:31,930 --> 00:41:35,290
and that's it. 
It's really important that you 

737
00:41:35,290 --> 00:41:39,410
have the support from the people
that are around you to to to 

738
00:41:39,410 --> 00:41:42,230
make that happen. 
And I get you know, I I feel 

739
00:41:42,230 --> 00:41:46,350
very blessed to to have someone 
like Jason Elizabeth, people 

740
00:41:46,350 --> 00:41:50,110
like you know Kia, who's helped 
us also here at Metal Mastermind

741
00:41:50,190 --> 00:41:53,390
Record. 
You are your master and you know

742
00:41:53,390 --> 00:41:57,030
there's a whole bunch of people 
that have been involved in Mczee

743
00:41:57,030 --> 00:42:01,310
and Alfred Potter all these 
folks and Rich Gray. 

744
00:42:01,310 --> 00:42:04,350
Thank you too. 
We we've got, we've got a good 

745
00:42:04,350 --> 00:42:09,150
team a good team of people and 
they're people that care that 

746
00:42:09,430 --> 00:42:13,430
you know they asked for almost 
nothing in return most of the 

747
00:42:13,430 --> 00:42:18,150
time. 
And it's it shows how much it 

748
00:42:18,150 --> 00:42:23,110
takes a village to make 
something really grow. 

749
00:42:23,270 --> 00:42:29,830
And you know as I look back and 
realize where we started it's 

750
00:42:29,830 --> 00:42:33,630
actually kind of emotional how 
where we are now and where you 

751
00:42:33,630 --> 00:42:36,590
know how hard we've gotten to 
just get to this point where I 

752
00:42:36,590 --> 00:42:38,150
know it this is not the end of 
the road. 

753
00:42:38,150 --> 00:42:40,580
This is there's still so much 
more to go. 

754
00:42:40,700 --> 00:42:43,500
There's a lot more to go dude. 
There's a lot more to go. 

755
00:42:43,500 --> 00:42:48,420
But you know you can you know 
you can you can you can 

756
00:42:48,420 --> 00:42:51,100
appreciate the steps for where 
they were and that's that's 

757
00:42:51,100 --> 00:42:54,220
really what it comes down to is 
that hey look man middle 

758
00:42:54,220 --> 00:42:57,580
mastermind didn't grow overnight
it it it took a long time and 

759
00:42:58,060 --> 00:43:02,980
you the difference is just we're
we're sticking to sticking to it

760
00:43:02,980 --> 00:43:08,380
and that's it The moment you you
say I quit okay it's over it's 

761
00:43:08,380 --> 00:43:12,140
done. 
But you if you don't quit you 

762
00:43:12,140 --> 00:43:14,180
keep doing what it is that 
you're doing and if you really 

763
00:43:14,180 --> 00:43:18,540
believe in it too you got to 
really believe in you do then 

764
00:43:18,900 --> 00:43:21,780
you know I I believe you'll be 
okay. 

765
00:43:21,940 --> 00:43:24,140
I believe you'll be okay. 
Even if it takes a little 

766
00:43:24,140 --> 00:43:26,430
longer. 
It's a powerful point of 

767
00:43:26,430 --> 00:43:29,390
believing in it, because if if 
you don't believe in what you're

768
00:43:29,390 --> 00:43:32,510
doing, it's going to be very 
difficult, close to impossible, 

769
00:43:32,510 --> 00:43:35,430
to get someone else to believe 
in what you're doing if Ken and 

770
00:43:35,430 --> 00:43:41,070
I didn't have, like, just this 
unwavering diehard belief in 

771
00:43:41,070 --> 00:43:43,190
metal mastermind and what we're 
doing. 

772
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:47,400
Guys we it'd be very difficult 
for us to convince you to hey go

773
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:49,960
check out our courses. 
We by the way, quick plug. 

774
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:53,040
We have courses on our website 
metalmastermind.com. 

775
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:55,480
Guitar courses, Rich Dray's bass
course. 

776
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:58,600
Metal bass masters coming soon, 
you know you mentioned now. 

777
00:43:59,230 --> 00:44:01,110
Well Alfred Potter sweet picking
course. 

778
00:44:01,230 --> 00:44:04,230
Elizabeth's focal course 
production course from Nick Z. 

779
00:44:04,230 --> 00:44:06,550
Can you've got a theory course 
that we we got courses guys go 

780
00:44:06,550 --> 00:44:09,750
to metalmastermind.com. 
We believe in these courses 

781
00:44:09,750 --> 00:44:12,630
though, because you know, we 
created this thing, right? 

782
00:44:13,470 --> 00:44:17,350
And we created it with. 
With the sense that we wanted to

783
00:44:17,350 --> 00:44:19,710
give the utmost value to 
someone. 

784
00:44:19,910 --> 00:44:23,150
So if we didn't believe in that 
and it really I I would have a 

785
00:44:23,150 --> 00:44:26,310
hard time telling you to go to 
metalmastermind.com and check 

786
00:44:26,310 --> 00:44:28,990
out our courses going to be like
hey guys you might want to check

787
00:44:28,990 --> 00:44:31,830
this course out you know I 
remember something like that 

788
00:44:31,830 --> 00:44:33,950
right. 
You know what I, I I believe in 

789
00:44:33,950 --> 00:44:37,510
what we do because it it's we 
have made it a part of our life 

790
00:44:37,590 --> 00:44:42,270
It it is a conviction working 
with metal mastermind. 

791
00:44:42,270 --> 00:44:46,150
Working on metal mastermind. 
It is my conviction that we need

792
00:44:46,150 --> 00:44:47,990
to. 
Put quality out there for you 

793
00:44:47,990 --> 00:44:50,590
guys. 
So that might sound like a giant

794
00:44:50,590 --> 00:44:52,110
sales pitch. 
And it kind of is. 

795
00:44:52,110 --> 00:44:55,510
I don't hold back it, you know, 
go check out our courses. 

796
00:44:55,510 --> 00:44:58,310
Metal mastermind.com. 
They're phenomenal. 

797
00:44:58,550 --> 00:45:01,390
You will, you will get an 
immense amount of value in it. 

798
00:45:01,390 --> 00:45:05,470
So do check it out before we 
Before we do that though before 

799
00:45:05,470 --> 00:45:07,950
you guys check it out, hopefully
you're typing in the website 

800
00:45:07,950 --> 00:45:09,630
name right now. 
Middle mastermind.com. 

801
00:45:09,630 --> 00:45:13,310
We need to give you our metal 
song of the week. 

802
00:45:13,390 --> 00:45:14,950
You want to go first? 
You want me to go first in? 

803
00:45:15,530 --> 00:45:19,410
I think you should go first 
because I I I almost had it on 

804
00:45:19,410 --> 00:45:21,450
the tip of my tongue, and I have
to remind myself what it is that

805
00:45:21,450 --> 00:45:24,530
I was listening to. 
Oh, actually, I'm sorry. 

806
00:45:24,810 --> 00:45:25,410
I do. 
Got it. 

807
00:45:25,450 --> 00:45:27,610
Yeah. 
Got it was Vader. 

808
00:45:27,970 --> 00:45:31,090
Vader triumphs, heavy triumph of
death. 

809
00:45:31,250 --> 00:45:32,770
That's what I was listening to 
the other day. 

810
00:45:33,570 --> 00:45:35,290
OK. 
OK, wait a minute. 

811
00:45:35,290 --> 00:45:36,250
Wait a minute. 
Wait a minute. 

812
00:45:36,250 --> 00:45:38,450
Wait a minute, dude. 
Hold on a second, man. 

813
00:45:38,650 --> 00:45:41,010
Hold on. 
Where do I where do I go to my 

814
00:45:41,010 --> 00:45:44,490
iTunes history? 
At iTunes History? 

815
00:45:44,610 --> 00:45:46,490
Yeah, I think it's just in in 
your app. 

816
00:45:47,770 --> 00:45:52,050
Was in my app recently played 
Hold on yeah recently played 

817
00:45:52,610 --> 00:45:57,330
and. 
My radio stations, hold on. 

818
00:45:57,330 --> 00:45:59,810
No I cuz I did the song you're 
talking about. 

819
00:45:59,810 --> 00:46:02,090
Did I send this to you, or is 
this something you just listened

820
00:46:02,090 --> 00:46:03,650
to? 
No. 

821
00:46:03,650 --> 00:46:07,370
I actually was exposed to Vader 
a long time ago and I've had 

822
00:46:07,370 --> 00:46:11,350
this album for a while now. 
I think I discovered this one 

823
00:46:11,350 --> 00:46:15,670
particularly in 2017 or 18 or 
something like that. 

824
00:46:17,390 --> 00:46:21,150
But I was listening to it the 
other day and I was just like, 

825
00:46:21,550 --> 00:46:25,230
you know, one of the things I 
really love about Vader is 

826
00:46:25,590 --> 00:46:30,150
tonality. 
They have this like super like 

827
00:46:31,150 --> 00:46:37,230
thick like tone like in a in a 
very similar sense, production 

828
00:46:37,230 --> 00:46:41,570
wise, like I like them akin to 
something like a Belfigore. 

829
00:46:42,610 --> 00:46:46,850
Belfigore's got like this tone 
that's just like super thick and

830
00:46:46,890 --> 00:46:49,730
it feels like the weight of the 
world's on top of me when I 

831
00:46:49,730 --> 00:46:52,650
listen to Belfigore. 
So I feel like Vader is very 

832
00:46:52,650 --> 00:46:56,770
similar in that regard to the 
aside, you know, like these 

833
00:46:56,770 --> 00:46:58,770
kinds of. 
Bands super heavy. 

834
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:01,840
So I got to show you this, OK? 
I don't know if you can see my 

835
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:04,880
phone and guys, you can't see it
apologize, but you see up there 

836
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:06,400
that says yesterday. 
Can you see what it says 

837
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:08,640
yesterday? 
Oh well, I can barely hear you 

838
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:11,480
when you're off mic. 
Sorry, can can can you see where

839
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:14,760
it says yesterday on my phone 
Yesterday. 

840
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:17,520
Yes. 
OK, I'm. 

841
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:19,720
I'm scrolling up just a little 
here. 

842
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:23,600
Can you see that video right 
there? 

843
00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:25,200
This is a video right there I'm 
showing you. 

844
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:26,560
Sorry, I went away from the mic 
again. 

845
00:47:27,710 --> 00:47:29,070
Which one is it? 
The the top one? 

846
00:47:29,070 --> 00:47:32,350
Melodic metal shred. 
No let. 

847
00:47:32,910 --> 00:47:35,310
Me scroll up a little bit more. 
This is from yesterday. 

848
00:47:36,070 --> 00:47:38,310
Now, can you see? 
Oh, yeah. 

849
00:47:38,430 --> 00:47:39,670
There you go. 
Triumph of death. 

850
00:47:41,310 --> 00:47:43,830
So I just can you do. 
We didn't plan this. 

851
00:47:43,830 --> 00:47:46,790
And I want to show you. 
I just want to want us to 

852
00:47:46,790 --> 00:47:49,310
realize how powerful this stuff 
is. 

853
00:47:50,150 --> 00:47:54,610
We did not plan this at all. 
So yeah, that's just very 

854
00:47:54,610 --> 00:47:58,010
interesting that you happen to 
mention that specific song and 

855
00:47:58,010 --> 00:48:00,970
that song came on my iTunes. 
You know, we, we, we run the 

856
00:48:00,970 --> 00:48:03,250
stations or whatever and you 
get, you know, all the stuff 

857
00:48:03,250 --> 00:48:05,130
that sounds like this, whatever 
you listen to, whatever you 

858
00:48:05,130 --> 00:48:07,690
program it to. 
And I I decided to look it up on

859
00:48:07,690 --> 00:48:11,130
YouTube to to watch a video and 
that was a live version I 

860
00:48:11,130 --> 00:48:14,370
believe. 
So it's just very odd. 

861
00:48:14,370 --> 00:48:16,370
I don't believe in coincidences,
by the way. 

862
00:48:16,730 --> 00:48:21,510
So very cool tune. 
Yeah, so that's that's a moment 

863
00:48:21,510 --> 00:48:25,150
here. 
But my my song and I'll, I'll 

864
00:48:25,150 --> 00:48:26,550
take a song off this latest 
album. 

865
00:48:26,550 --> 00:48:31,190
So this band called Ex Mortis, I
saw them open for Amanomarth in 

866
00:48:31,190 --> 00:48:34,270
2016, I believe. 
And I was blown away by these 

867
00:48:34,270 --> 00:48:35,990
dudes. 
They were first opening act. 

868
00:48:35,990 --> 00:48:38,390
I'm like, oh crap man, these 
dudes are great. 

869
00:48:38,390 --> 00:48:40,830
I mean they're the guitar 
players are very much 

870
00:48:40,830 --> 00:48:42,630
orchestrated. 
It's death metal. 

871
00:48:43,190 --> 00:48:45,030
But they just came out the new 
album this year called 

872
00:48:46,110 --> 00:48:48,310
Necrophony. 
I probably said that wrong. 

873
00:48:50,100 --> 00:48:52,300
The Crofeny Yeah, yeah, I always
murder the words, dude. 

874
00:48:52,300 --> 00:48:55,420
So. 
But they came out with that this

875
00:48:55,420 --> 00:48:59,940
new album this year. 
And I really like track #2, Mask

876
00:48:59,940 --> 00:49:02,660
of Red Death, but just a really 
cool album. 

877
00:49:02,740 --> 00:49:04,660
I just like these guys a lot. 
I love seeing them live again. 

878
00:49:04,660 --> 00:49:09,900
So that's my metal song. 
You know, I've also been 

879
00:49:09,900 --> 00:49:16,130
experimenting away from some of 
the more traditional listening 

880
00:49:16,130 --> 00:49:17,570
platforms. 
I've been listening on a 

881
00:49:17,570 --> 00:49:27,850
platform called Cobuzz QQOBUZ. 
It's if you're, if you're, you 

882
00:49:27,850 --> 00:49:31,170
know, if you care about like the
quality of audio that you 

883
00:49:31,170 --> 00:49:35,850
receive, man, Cobuzz is really 
unbeatable. 

884
00:49:35,930 --> 00:49:40,170
Everything that they do is Flack
codex. 

885
00:49:40,170 --> 00:49:43,570
So it's just like totally 
lossless and it's just like the 

886
00:49:43,570 --> 00:49:47,950
original recording, playing 
through your speakers. 

887
00:49:48,030 --> 00:49:50,550
And I've just been really 
enjoying that. 

888
00:49:50,550 --> 00:49:56,430
And I've also learned that Cobus
is the highest paying streaming 

889
00:49:56,430 --> 00:50:01,230
service that for every stream 
it's $0.04 for the artist. 

890
00:50:01,590 --> 00:50:04,830
You know so. 
Since you mean not a fraction of

891
00:50:04,830 --> 00:50:09,590
a penny, but four cents. $0.04. 
That's actually quite high. 

892
00:50:10,260 --> 00:50:13,660
That is amazingly high. 
And that's something that I just

893
00:50:13,660 --> 00:50:17,100
love what they're doing because,
you know, you go to Spotify and 

894
00:50:17,100 --> 00:50:18,740
it's literally a fraction of a 
penny. 

895
00:50:19,420 --> 00:50:22,860
Meanwhile, you got guys like 
Coba's and title does pretty 

896
00:50:22,860 --> 00:50:24,860
well too. 
I think title pays about like 

897
00:50:25,340 --> 00:50:31,740
one to two cents per stream, but
Coba's does more than double. 

898
00:50:31,740 --> 00:50:36,980
So I'm just like enthralled and 
like the quality of sound is so 

899
00:50:36,980 --> 00:50:39,070
much better. 
You know, if you really want to 

900
00:50:39,070 --> 00:50:41,910
support your artists in a 
streaming way, you know, like 

901
00:50:42,150 --> 00:50:44,590
stream where where they have the
highest quality and where they 

902
00:50:44,590 --> 00:50:47,190
pay them the most. 
I mean, Bo Buzz has been doing 

903
00:50:47,190 --> 00:50:50,550
great for me and I highly 
recommend anybody to you know. 

904
00:50:50,550 --> 00:50:52,070
By the way, this is not 
sponsored by COVID. 

905
00:50:52,110 --> 00:50:55,390
I'm just we're not sponsored by 
them speaking by from the heart 

906
00:50:55,390 --> 00:50:59,190
here, but I've been really 
enjoying it as of late. 

907
00:50:59,790 --> 00:51:02,310
Well, this this will probably be
a topic for another podcast 

908
00:51:02,310 --> 00:51:03,390
because we're closing this one 
out. 

909
00:51:03,390 --> 00:51:07,030
But this is how you make change.
I mean you, you know, if you 

910
00:51:07,030 --> 00:51:10,820
want to. 
If, you know, if you complain 

911
00:51:10,820 --> 00:51:13,420
about places like Amazon and 
Walmart, but you're shopping 

912
00:51:13,420 --> 00:51:15,220
from them, well, you can't 
really complain about them 

913
00:51:15,220 --> 00:51:17,540
because there there are other 
options out there, Maybe you do 

914
00:51:17,540 --> 00:51:20,260
pay a little more. 
My wife and I, it's not that we 

915
00:51:20,260 --> 00:51:21,860
don't eat at a chain now and 
then. 

916
00:51:21,860 --> 00:51:25,500
Sometimes we do, but a 95% of 
the time we eat at a mom and pop

917
00:51:25,500 --> 00:51:27,510
place. 
We have our favorites around the

918
00:51:27,510 --> 00:51:30,190
Tampa area just asked me, I will
share those with you. 

919
00:51:30,750 --> 00:51:34,310
We just had some Sally O'Neill's
pizza during our after our kayak

920
00:51:34,310 --> 00:51:36,630
trip last Friday which was I 
mean can you've had that. 

921
00:51:36,630 --> 00:51:39,510
So it's phenomenal pizza man. 
But they're locally owned, 

922
00:51:39,510 --> 00:51:43,430
independently owned for I think 
almost 35 years and you know 

923
00:51:43,430 --> 00:51:45,750
it's out there guys. 
I mean, you know, we we, we 

924
00:51:45,750 --> 00:51:49,980
choose what we support. 
If if as musicians, if we're 

925
00:51:49,980 --> 00:51:53,100
complaining about, you know 
what, we don't get paid as much,

926
00:51:53,100 --> 00:51:54,860
well then don't listen to 
Spotify, guys. 

927
00:51:54,980 --> 00:51:56,980
We we have the power to make 
change. 

928
00:51:56,980 --> 00:52:00,940
You know you you can you, the 
people come together. 

929
00:52:01,180 --> 00:52:03,180
You can shut some places down, 
man. 

930
00:52:03,340 --> 00:52:07,140
You know, if if people cited, 
well, we don't like this place 

931
00:52:07,140 --> 00:52:09,450
for whatever reason. 
We're not going to shop at that 

932
00:52:09,450 --> 00:52:11,130
big box store, big chain or 
whatever. 

933
00:52:11,530 --> 00:52:15,370
And again, it's just an example.
Well, all it takes is is a 

934
00:52:15,370 --> 00:52:19,130
village of us to stop going 
there and go to the better Place

935
00:52:19,130 --> 00:52:22,530
instead, right? 
By the way, I like, I like the, 

936
00:52:22,930 --> 00:52:26,810
I like how Pandora Radio 
delivers my playlist. 

937
00:52:26,810 --> 00:52:29,690
They they seem they have an 
option for deep cuts and some of

938
00:52:29,690 --> 00:52:31,970
some other stuff but they seem 
to give me what I want and I'm 

939
00:52:31,970 --> 00:52:35,250
like, wow, more so than iTunes 
and I don't mess with Spotify. 

940
00:52:35,410 --> 00:52:37,890
I don't even have a download on 
my phone, so. 

941
00:52:38,650 --> 00:52:40,610
But I don't know how much they 
pay, so I'm gonna look into it. 

942
00:52:40,610 --> 00:52:41,730
What's the name of that one more
time? 

943
00:52:41,730 --> 00:52:42,650
Ken. 
Q. 

944
00:52:42,650 --> 00:52:47,730
Something Cobus. 
Cobus, QOBUZ okay. 

945
00:52:47,850 --> 00:52:51,010
Yeah, it's a French, I think 
developer. 

946
00:52:51,730 --> 00:52:54,730
Yeah, Cobus. 
Very, very cool man and I really

947
00:52:54,730 --> 00:52:56,900
recommend it. 
Thank you for that, dude. 

948
00:52:56,900 --> 00:53:00,020
Well, guys, that wraps up 
another episode of Metal 

949
00:53:00,140 --> 00:53:01,940
Mastermind. 
Thank you guys so much for 

950
00:53:01,940 --> 00:53:03,980
listening. 
Do check out our courses or 

951
00:53:03,980 --> 00:53:06,820
courses for 
metalmusicians@metalmastermind.com.

952
00:53:07,140 --> 00:53:09,860
We'll see you on the next 
episode, or we'll listen to you 

953
00:53:09,860 --> 00:53:12,100
or you'll listen to us on the 
next episode. 

954
00:53:12,460 --> 00:53:16,100
All right, guys, we are out. 
As always, create your own 

955
00:53:16,100 --> 00:53:16,500
sound.