1 00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:09,900 Welcome to another episode of Virtua. 2 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:13,900 Mastermind co-founder co-host here, Jason Stallworth and we've 3 00:00:13,900 --> 00:00:16,800 got our other co-founder of metal Mastermind, and co-hosted 4 00:00:16,800 --> 00:00:22,700 a great tank in Dallas, what up my friend brother kin we are 5 00:00:22,700 --> 00:00:25,200 here. Oh dude, we've got some cool 6 00:00:25,200 --> 00:00:28,800 stuff that, you know, we just pretty much talked about the 7 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:31,900 podcast that we Were filming right now, we should have just 8 00:00:31,900 --> 00:00:34,900 filmed our conversation. You know, we got to do it over 9 00:00:34,900 --> 00:00:39,500 again but the guys we're all about gearjunkie today, this is 10 00:00:39,500 --> 00:00:43,500 all about gear and the core of the topic because Ken and I both 11 00:00:43,500 --> 00:00:48,900 have some very personal and very like recent experiences going to 12 00:00:48,908 --> 00:00:53,700 talk about Hardware versus software, you know, processing 13 00:00:53,700 --> 00:00:56,500 versus amps. Plug ins versus, you know, the 14 00:00:56,500 --> 00:00:58,700 hardware units, blah, blah, blah, all that good stuff. 15 00:00:58,700 --> 00:01:04,800 So, I'm going to talk about Black Star, the the Black Star 16 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:09,000 amplification company. So you know, I just got they're 17 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:12,200 amped three and they're these camps and a box. 18 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:14,800 But you know, before we talk about that and I just got 19 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:17,300 sponsored by them. So we'll give that quick plug in 20 00:01:17,300 --> 00:01:18,800 here too. So thank you guys. 21 00:01:19,500 --> 00:01:22,000 If you're listening, this will talk about that because I want 22 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:25,900 to talk about my experience with you know, with the amped free 23 00:01:25,900 --> 00:01:29,000 which is it's a real amps power amp vs. 24 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:30,400 Are real. Fire. 25 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:33,200 Which, again, the amp three is a real amp. 26 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:38,100 But versus, you know, a tube amp with a cab mic'd up in versus 27 00:01:38,100 --> 00:01:41,000 using plugins. So I want to get into that. 28 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:45,400 But dude, you brought up something that's like that's 29 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:50,100 gold because you're finishing up your album and you are looking 30 00:01:50,100 --> 00:01:53,300 to kind of like, you know, perfect everything, the big 31 00:01:53,300 --> 00:01:55,900 picture here, right? The overall mix and stuff. 32 00:01:55,900 --> 00:01:58,200 Yeah. And instead of using software 33 00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:00,300 where you went out and bought a Peace. 34 00:02:00,300 --> 00:02:02,400 And I don't think people are buying a lot of these Hardware 35 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:04,200 pieces. So let's talk about this man. 36 00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:05,900 Cuz I'm interested. Sure. 37 00:02:06,300 --> 00:02:11,500 Well, it's kind of one of those things where well before I get 38 00:02:11,500 --> 00:02:15,000 into that, I guess it's important to preface all of this 39 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:19,200 with what is the modern like studio, right? 40 00:02:19,200 --> 00:02:25,700 Because everybody that ever used to do any type of recording back 41 00:02:25,700 --> 00:02:29,600 in the 80s or 70s or any of that time era. 42 00:02:30,100 --> 00:02:32,200 Let's say the Golden Era of rock, right? 43 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:35,300 You had million dollars Studios with all this analog gear. 44 00:02:35,300 --> 00:02:39,800 And that was like expected nowadays, right? 45 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:42,000 Nobody really has a million-dollar Studio unless 46 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:47,000 they really got it like that. And if you have a studio in 47 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:51,000 home, in your bedroom, you're probably all digital because 48 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:55,500 digital is super convenient and it allows so much accessibility 49 00:02:56,800 --> 00:03:00,800 and I think over the last 20 years this In between, you know, 50 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:05,700 going from analog to digital, you actually have some people 51 00:03:05,900 --> 00:03:09,000 that were like, like, I teach at universities, right? 52 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:12,800 So, I have young students who have never touched a lick of 53 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:15,600 analog gear before, which is kind of wild to me. 54 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:18,400 Yeah, I know. Right now, you're starting to 55 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:21,800 feel a little old. I'm like, dude, what the hell, 56 00:03:22,100 --> 00:03:26,200 you know, and I want to talk about some of my experiences 57 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:31,200 that I had actually yesterday, too, because I why just expose 58 00:03:31,200 --> 00:03:35,400 some students to the SSL console and I was just performing. 59 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:39,000 How does it feel to? You know, actually like process 60 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:43,000 things right there and then as you're recording and the 61 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:46,300 students, do, you know, they were like, blown away because 62 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:52,700 they're so scared to to actually commit to just say, hey, this is 63 00:03:52,700 --> 00:03:56,600 a certain sound that I'm after, and that's how it's going to be 64 00:03:56,600 --> 00:04:00,900 when it's recorded, you know, they're like, oh, Why not? 65 00:04:00,900 --> 00:04:04,600 Just, you know, record it really flat and natural so that, you 66 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:08,200 know, you can mix it later and I said, hey, you know, you can do 67 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:11,500 that. But you know if you're after our 68 00:04:11,500 --> 00:04:15,100 particular sound, why not just get it right there and then and 69 00:04:15,100 --> 00:04:20,399 you know what that takes confidence, it does. 70 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:26,000 So here's the thing, right? So we're in a digital world now 71 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:29,700 where everybody's just kind of honing in on just creating the 72 00:04:29,900 --> 00:04:36,400 The cleanest recording possible and I was of course involved in 73 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:39,200 that world too. So I'm making all these 74 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:42,100 decisions and you know, you know Jason I've been working on my 75 00:04:42,100 --> 00:04:44,300 album for like eight years at this point. 76 00:04:44,300 --> 00:04:50,000 So all of my my growth as an educator as a performer, it's 77 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:56,500 really grown alongside with this album and towards the more 78 00:04:56,500 --> 00:05:01,500 recent years when I started to Really get more access to 79 00:05:01,500 --> 00:05:04,400 certain things like plugins, right, as an educator, we have 80 00:05:04,400 --> 00:05:07,400 some of those benefits. So I started gaining access to a 81 00:05:07,407 --> 00:05:10,100 lot of these Advanced plugins. And I was using that I'm like, 82 00:05:10,100 --> 00:05:12,600 oh my God, this sounds just great. 83 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:16,900 I'm super stoked about it and I'm thinking I'm getting real 84 00:05:16,900 --> 00:05:21,600 close to this Final Mix. And then I said, you know what, 85 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:26,400 let's try something new something different and so I got 86 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:33,000 an e Nev summing mixer. And I said, okay, well one I've 87 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:37,000 always revered the legendary Neve consoles. 88 00:05:37,700 --> 00:05:43,000 They have a history to them. They have a classic sound to 89 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:45,900 them because, of course, they set the standard back in the 90 00:05:45,900 --> 00:05:49,400 70s. So I'm like, okay, one of my 91 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:53,300 dreams is always to ever have something that resembled that, 92 00:05:53,300 --> 00:05:54,900 right? And so I got one, I was like, 93 00:05:54,900 --> 00:06:01,500 okay, we got it now the first day, I was just like, what if I 94 00:06:01,500 --> 00:06:07,100 just ran my NYX through this and When that happened I was like, 95 00:06:07,100 --> 00:06:12,600 oh yeah, this is done. I just had this realization 96 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:18,400 that, no matter how many awesome emulated plugins you can use, 97 00:06:18,900 --> 00:06:22,300 there's really nothing like the real thing and that's why some 98 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:26,500 audio engineers and producers. They will always say, you know, 99 00:06:26,700 --> 00:06:32,200 analog is King and most people use analog in their instance of 100 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:35,300 like, on the way in, for most projects because As you know, 101 00:06:35,300 --> 00:06:40,000 they can commit the sound right into the recording and then 102 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:44,000 they'll just mix it in digital. But, you know, when you work 103 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:50,200 also with mixing and analog, that's a, that's another layer 104 00:06:50,700 --> 00:06:55,300 of tonality that you're achieving to and, you know, it's 105 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:58,500 it's amazing. It's really, it changes your 106 00:06:58,500 --> 00:07:01,000 workflow also changes your mindset. 107 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:05,900 On going into that mix because now you have to make decisions 108 00:07:05,900 --> 00:07:09,700 that you have to commit to. Because if you want to recall 109 00:07:09,700 --> 00:07:12,800 all that information again especially if you got something 110 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:17,900 like what I'm using and has you know, volume knobs and you know, 111 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:21,000 auxiliary sends and all this kind of stuff so you can use 112 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:24,500 other types of gear. Oh man, you know, recalling. 113 00:07:24,500 --> 00:07:28,400 All that information is more of a pain in the butt because now 114 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:31,200 you got to take notes. You got to take pictures and 115 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:33,400 yeah. That's not like you can just 116 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:38,100 recall it like a plug-in. So yeah that that that's where 117 00:07:38,100 --> 00:07:39,800 you go. Like okay I need to make sure 118 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:45,400 that when I do this this is it you know it's an interesting 119 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:48,900 process I get that dude I met I had a very similar experience 120 00:07:48,900 --> 00:07:52,100 recording you and I both are working on our albums right now 121 00:07:52,100 --> 00:07:54,000 like we're in a race as he releases it first. 122 00:07:55,100 --> 00:07:58,700 I've already committed to some post album stuff happening in 123 00:07:58,700 --> 00:08:01,300 August so I have got to finish my album and get it out. 124 00:08:01,500 --> 00:08:06,300 Out, you know really mid-july like latest so I'm I'm I put my 125 00:08:06,300 --> 00:08:09,700 back against the wall anyway so I recorded I went back and 126 00:08:09,700 --> 00:08:12,100 recorded the tracks with my evh amplifier. 127 00:08:12,200 --> 00:08:17,000 Great amplifier, mic'd up Good Ol sm57 you know found the tone. 128 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:19,000 I lied course. It takes a few times. 129 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:21,300 Like you said, you've got to be confident. 130 00:08:21,300 --> 00:08:24,600 You also have to be a little patient and really be able to 131 00:08:24,600 --> 00:08:26,400 work with the gear to nail down what you want. 132 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:29,900 Well, going back, when I went as I'm writing lyrics and vocal 133 00:08:29,900 --> 00:08:33,000 Melodies, I'm like, okay, well, there's Parts that I want to 134 00:08:33,008 --> 00:08:34,900 change. There's like two or three songs 135 00:08:34,900 --> 00:08:37,700 with parts that I want to change one song completely changed. 136 00:08:37,700 --> 00:08:40,000 After I wrote the vocals I'm like hey this is gonna sound 137 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:44,400 better well now I've got a quote unquote recall that information 138 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:48,900 on my Eva champ that I recorded what six months ago and I can't 139 00:08:48,900 --> 00:08:50,700 do that. There's no buttons like here you 140 00:08:50,708 --> 00:08:52,900 go. So what I did do though, can I 141 00:08:52,900 --> 00:08:56,500 documented my settings though, I think I shared them on YouTube 142 00:08:56,500 --> 00:08:59,600 as well, but I got a blog post and I took some pictures and I 143 00:08:59,608 --> 00:09:03,300 documented everything. So, I'll just go back, and it 144 00:09:03,300 --> 00:09:06,300 might not be exactly the same, but that's okay, I'm fine with 145 00:09:06,300 --> 00:09:08,200 that. It'll be close enough. 146 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:12,500 But I me and it's not even because I'm old or maybe it is, 147 00:09:12,900 --> 00:09:15,000 I like knobs, man, I like faders. 148 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:19,500 I like, knobs, you know, sometimes it kills me to be in 149 00:09:19,500 --> 00:09:21,800 the doll having to move everything around with the 150 00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:24,400 mouse. It just I know it really 151 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:27,900 shouldn't be any different but is so much easier to reach over 152 00:09:27,900 --> 00:09:30,400 and turn a knob. When I play my live acoustic 153 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:33,900 shows I've got A little mixer over there, you know, and I'll 154 00:09:33,900 --> 00:09:37,800 move stuff around. I think it's the Mackey Pro FX 155 00:09:38,300 --> 00:09:41,900 10 V3, something like that. And I've got the knobs right 156 00:09:41,900 --> 00:09:44,300 there. I know by memory because it's 157 00:09:44,300 --> 00:09:48,300 just a few channels is my vocal my guitar and my wife, she sings 158 00:09:48,300 --> 00:09:50,000 some time. So I know the EQ. 159 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:52,900 I know I've memorized I've got that visual in my head. 160 00:09:53,100 --> 00:09:55,900 So if things get moved around in the bag and setting up and 161 00:09:55,900 --> 00:09:58,900 tearing down, I can just tweak those knobs, I know exactly 162 00:09:58,900 --> 00:10:02,600 where they need to be. But I don't know, I just for 163 00:10:02,600 --> 00:10:05,600 some reason, I like that. Now I've also got this new, you 164 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:08,600 know, I recently got sponsored by Electro-Voice I got their new 165 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:12,600 column system, they sent me and there's no mixer, the mixer is 166 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:16,500 actually on my phone. So I'm having a little trouble 167 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:18,700 with that. I mean, it's very convenient and 168 00:10:18,700 --> 00:10:21,400 use go to the phone and, you know, you know, fade the little 169 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:23,900 things with your finger at each Channel or whatever. 170 00:10:23,900 --> 00:10:27,500 But I don't know, I'm just still, I still like the idea of 171 00:10:27,500 --> 00:10:30,600 just having that physical knob and physical fader, Or it's just 172 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:34,500 a bit easier. Yeah, you know, and even as as 173 00:10:34,500 --> 00:10:39,300 an engineer for touring, I did, you know, several years with a 174 00:10:39,300 --> 00:10:42,100 band they were called the cringe. 175 00:10:42,100 --> 00:10:45,900 It was a great over a like alternative rock type stuff. 176 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:49,600 And I was touring with them as their monitor engineer, and what 177 00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:54,600 they were using was an Allen & Heath Q pack. 178 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:57,500 I think it was called and it's like this rack unit that you can 179 00:10:57,500 --> 00:11:01,600 put into your system. It has like some buttons on it 180 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:04,100 but it's very, very, you know, Compact and small. 181 00:11:04,100 --> 00:11:08,200 So you really the full feature set is using the iPad or 182 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:11,700 something like that. And you know, you get used to it 183 00:11:11,700 --> 00:11:15,800 after a while. But man, when I, when I, if I 184 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:19,000 were to choose between using acute pack like that and having 185 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:23,500 to mix this entire like live show with an iPad versus using 186 00:11:23,500 --> 00:11:27,300 an actual fader with a natural knob, you know, I choose the 187 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:31,600 full on Console every single time, Man, it there's there's a 188 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:36,200 Psychological Association with actually just using tactile 189 00:11:36,200 --> 00:11:38,700 feel. There's there's nothing like it 190 00:11:38,700 --> 00:11:42,700 and you know, going back to that whole idea of using the SSL I 191 00:11:42,700 --> 00:11:49,600 got sounds that I wanted quicker because I just I had a tactile 192 00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:54,200 feel on what was I actually doing to the sound itself. 193 00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:57,500 You know you don't really get that same feeling when you're 194 00:11:57,500 --> 00:12:02,100 using a plug-in like you're Link to it and you can you can make 195 00:12:02,100 --> 00:12:07,700 the same judgments but the feeling is different and you 196 00:12:07,700 --> 00:12:12,100 almost like when I'm working on an SSL, I don't need to look at 197 00:12:12,100 --> 00:12:17,400 M I don't need to look at at screens I just listened and if 198 00:12:17,400 --> 00:12:19,100 it sounds good I don't even care. 199 00:12:19,100 --> 00:12:22,600 You'll even see on my board it'll be overloading and you 200 00:12:22,600 --> 00:12:25,400 won't even really hear the overloading because it just 201 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:28,300 sounds edgier. It just sounds cooler and that's 202 00:12:28,300 --> 00:12:29,900 what it's doing. Its meteor. 203 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:31,600 Right. That's the that's the beauty of 204 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:33,600 analog. It's like soft Distortion. 205 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:36,300 It's not like clipping Distortion, Like you get with 206 00:12:36,500 --> 00:12:39,700 the computer. So this I totally am there with 207 00:12:39,700 --> 00:12:41,100 you man. And it's, and it's just an 208 00:12:41,100 --> 00:12:45,900 incredible experience and it just reinforced that concept to 209 00:12:45,900 --> 00:12:49,800 me here in my own home studio because, you know, you know, I'm 210 00:12:49,800 --> 00:12:52,200 here with Antelope audio and they got great converters. 211 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:57,400 They got great plugins to and I'm like dude, I love this stuff 212 00:12:57,400 --> 00:13:02,900 but holy crap was Not using it to its full potential until I 213 00:13:02,900 --> 00:13:06,400 actually started something with it because the quality of the 214 00:13:06,400 --> 00:13:09,600 converters that's great, but if you're not using them, you're 215 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:11,700 not getting the benefit out of them either. 216 00:13:11,900 --> 00:13:15,900 So I love that. I think it's just a wonderful 217 00:13:15,900 --> 00:13:19,500 experience and it's important to talk about it because people 218 00:13:19,500 --> 00:13:23,000 forget that, you know, it doesn't stop with just the 219 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:26,400 digital world. If you're at a certain point in 220 00:13:26,400 --> 00:13:32,600 your either career or you're just Our growth as a producer or 221 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:37,300 just as a musician investing in quality gear Hardware gear. 222 00:13:37,300 --> 00:13:41,500 There's nothing like it. You get real Transformers you're 223 00:13:41,500 --> 00:13:44,500 running through real electricity right? 224 00:13:44,500 --> 00:13:48,900 There's something about running real electricity through a unit 225 00:13:49,100 --> 00:13:51,500 that does something to sound. I don't know. 226 00:13:51,600 --> 00:13:55,200 It's just it's magic. Let me ask this question. 227 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:58,600 Can we do? This is kind of a tough question 228 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:00,500 here. Maybe it's not Relevant 229 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:02,100 relevant. Maybe it is though. 230 00:14:02,400 --> 00:14:06,600 Do you feel like that? A lot of people tend even the 231 00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:08,500 younger generation? They tend to listen to older 232 00:14:08,500 --> 00:14:12,100 music more now know if you go on the charge, you know, and look 233 00:14:12,100 --> 00:14:15,800 at Spotify as top 10, whatever, it's all the new stuff, but when 234 00:14:15,800 --> 00:14:18,900 you actually go out and about and talk to people, especially 235 00:14:18,900 --> 00:14:21,500 in the Rock and metal world, like forget about pop and all 236 00:14:21,508 --> 00:14:23,400 that stuff, right? It country or whatever. 237 00:14:23,900 --> 00:14:26,600 But you, when you talk to people, like real people in the 238 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:31,000 Rock and metal World, they tend to listen to Older stuff more 239 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:33,800 than newer stuff? Do you think this technology 240 00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:37,900 craze everything being digital do, you think it may have 241 00:14:37,900 --> 00:14:41,000 something to do with that? Where is the old records? 242 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:43,400 And I'm not saying we need to go back to tape and all that, 243 00:14:43,400 --> 00:14:45,300 right? There's there's a, there's a 244 00:14:45,308 --> 00:14:49,800 fine balance between progressing with technology and it may be 245 00:14:49,800 --> 00:14:55,000 kind of overdoing it and the new stuff can't quite do what this 246 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:57,200 analog equipment that we're talking about this vintage 247 00:14:57,200 --> 00:14:59,300 equipment were talking about. Can do, do you think that has 248 00:14:59,300 --> 00:15:02,300 anything to do with? With with how people listen to 249 00:15:02,300 --> 00:15:04,300 music and what they prefer to listen to. 250 00:15:04,900 --> 00:15:06,500 Yeah. Let me let me phrase it to you 251 00:15:06,500 --> 00:15:11,300 in this way and maybe it will make a little bit more sense 252 00:15:11,700 --> 00:15:15,700 even if you don't do this kind of work, let's just go to 253 00:15:15,700 --> 00:15:17,800 photography for a second. Okay. 254 00:15:17,900 --> 00:15:20,800 Okay, the different a different world aside from using Square so 255 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:23,600 submerged in music. Yeah, sometimes it's hard to 256 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:26,000 look outside the box, write a list. 257 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:29,200 So let's take a look at the world of Photography, right? 258 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:34,200 ADI, they can get a new camera, a new camera body, right? 259 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:37,900 It can film in 4k, it can film in 6K. 260 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:41,900 It can film an 8K. If your film and 16k they got 261 00:15:41,900 --> 00:15:43,700 all these different types of resolutions. 262 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:46,700 And what happens when you buy the body of the camera 263 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:49,700 typically? It's almost obsolete. 264 00:15:49,700 --> 00:15:51,300 The moment, you buy it. Yeah. 265 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:53,100 Right. Because there's always going to 266 00:15:53,108 --> 00:15:54,900 be something that comes out. That's newer. 267 00:15:54,900 --> 00:15:56,500 That's fresher. But you know what? 268 00:15:56,500 --> 00:15:59,600 Always stays the same. The lens. 269 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:04,900 Hmm. The lens always grows in value 270 00:16:05,700 --> 00:16:09,800 because the lens uses a different type of Technology. 271 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:17,600 It uses Optics, right blasts, real glass, and you can't 272 00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:23,000 emulate real glass, right? It will always retain its value. 273 00:16:23,500 --> 00:16:26,800 So now let's go back and relate this to music and audio. 274 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:32,600 Let's talk about all the classic amplifiers with the real tubes 275 00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:35,800 that they have with the real electric circuitry that they 276 00:16:35,800 --> 00:16:37,600 have. Let's talk about microphones. 277 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:40,900 Why do we still use microphones? That were back in the 60s? 278 00:16:40,900 --> 00:16:46,400 Because a great Point, dude, they had real real, real 279 00:16:46,400 --> 00:16:49,000 Electronics. You had Transformers, inductors 280 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:51,900 capacitors. All these different types of 281 00:16:51,908 --> 00:16:56,000 electronic components that sure we could try to emulate 282 00:16:57,200 --> 00:17:02,800 Traditional. But at best It's an attempt 283 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:08,400 because digital does not look at things the same way inherently 284 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:11,599 that analog does. And there's a limitation to 285 00:17:11,599 --> 00:17:17,900 digital because the computer can only store so much information. 286 00:17:18,800 --> 00:17:22,599 So the finite differences, right? 287 00:17:22,599 --> 00:17:29,600 For example, for every I think There are a couple of voltage 288 00:17:29,600 --> 00:17:35,200 steps that happened in between a conversion and they can only be 289 00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:38,800 estimated between like something to the degree of like 6 decibels 290 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:42,900 or something of that sort. So for every one of these sort 291 00:17:42,900 --> 00:17:46,700 of voltage steps that we're using there is actually an 292 00:17:46,700 --> 00:17:51,400 inaccuracy and we call this quantization error, where the 293 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:56,700 computer literally has to round the information to the closest. 294 00:17:56,900 --> 00:18:02,500 Burr that it can process because it just doesn't have the finite 295 00:18:02,500 --> 00:18:06,400 or infinite depth that something like electricity or analog does. 296 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:11,000 So it's inherently going to be inaccurate, just because we're 297 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:16,300 using an imperfect system, despite the fact that it's very 298 00:18:16,300 --> 00:18:19,600 convenient and despite the fact that it's replicatable, and all 299 00:18:19,600 --> 00:18:21,700 these sorts of benefits that we get with digital, that's what it 300 00:18:21,708 --> 00:18:22,700 does. Great. 301 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:28,400 But Digital. It's it it's a different 302 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:32,100 language inherently. It doesn't understand. 303 00:18:33,700 --> 00:18:39,700 The physical world, we have to use a Rosetta Stone to turn the 304 00:18:39,700 --> 00:18:43,300 physical world into digital. That's what a converter does. 305 00:18:43,900 --> 00:18:47,300 And that converter that's like saying, hey man, you know, you 306 00:18:47,300 --> 00:18:51,800 got a different buddy who speaks a different language, right? 307 00:18:51,900 --> 00:18:55,600 And you need an interpreter but that interpreter, you know, 308 00:18:55,600 --> 00:18:58,400 they're not perfect. You know, they'll interpret 309 00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:01,700 certain things a certain way from that person to you, from 310 00:19:01,700 --> 00:19:04,800 you to that person. And You'll get the idea what 311 00:19:04,800 --> 00:19:07,600 they're saying because you have a friend that can interpret for 312 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:10,600 you. But maybe, you know, there are 313 00:19:10,600 --> 00:19:14,700 certain words that, you know, the person who sang it in their 314 00:19:14,700 --> 00:19:19,300 language, they mean it in a more slang way or, you know, they 315 00:19:19,300 --> 00:19:22,400 needed in a more formal way. And then the person who is 316 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:26,800 interpreting has to try and convey that in your slang or 317 00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:30,200 your formal way, right? And that might be some 318 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:33,200 inaccuracy. So you're absolutely right, 319 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:34,400 dude. I deal with this all the time 320 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:37,500 and speaking tiling or, you know, I'm probably intermediate, 321 00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:39,600 lower intermediate in Thai language. 322 00:19:39,900 --> 00:19:42,700 You know, I'm reading and writing a little too, but no, I 323 00:19:42,700 --> 00:19:46,200 know exactly what you're saying. There are some slang words in 324 00:19:46,300 --> 00:19:49,000 English language that the ties do not have. 325 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:51,000 So they'll just say it with their own accent, right? 326 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:54,500 And vice versa. There are some words that just 327 00:19:54,500 --> 00:19:56,200 they don't cross over in the vocabulary. 328 00:19:56,200 --> 00:20:00,100 They have similar meanings but not exact meanings even down to 329 00:20:00,100 --> 00:20:05,500 the tones and tie like an rrsp. Say in certain certain ways the 330 00:20:05,500 --> 00:20:09,800 constant start and tie it sounds like an S to us and it is but 331 00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:12,200 it's really not. It's really something else, it's 332 00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:14,800 Veron. So now I totally totally 333 00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:18,400 understand what you're talking about and by the way guys Ken is 334 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:23,100 totally nerding out here on the analog versus digital and I love 335 00:20:23,100 --> 00:20:28,500 it and I've never I've never heard anyone explain like you 336 00:20:28,500 --> 00:20:35,300 just explain the differences and it's just Really, really odd the 337 00:20:35,300 --> 00:20:37,200 way that we think digital was so much better. 338 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:39,400 I'm not saying it's bad. I mean, you nailed it. 339 00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:43,200 When you said convenience, I don't own a camera, a video, 340 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:46,500 camcorder NES stuff. I use my iPhone for everything. 341 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:51,400 Not so much because it's better or worse or the same but it's 342 00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:54,200 just convenient to whip it out. Start filming. 343 00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:57,400 I'm going to film, you know, a YouTube video. 344 00:20:57,400 --> 00:21:00,700 I'm going to film content for metal Mastermind, so stay tuned 345 00:21:00,700 --> 00:21:03,300 for that, right? I'm going to film it all of my 346 00:21:03,300 --> 00:21:04,700 eye. Phone just because it's 347 00:21:04,700 --> 00:21:08,500 convenient and speaking of conversion, even if I filmed 348 00:21:08,500 --> 00:21:13,200 something in this whatever 160 million K right I'm being 349 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:17,600 honest, Patrick Beverley once you want you dump it down to the 350 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:19,900 editing software and then put it on the platform. 351 00:21:19,900 --> 00:21:21,800 Whatever. You're putting it on I think it 352 00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:23,600 kind of compresses it anyway, right. 353 00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:25,600 So yeah. It's like you do you go through 354 00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:27,200 all that work? Just like it's got to be and 355 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:31,900 honestly what I find especially in the YouTube world with you 356 00:21:31,900 --> 00:21:34,600 and I can is yeah. Yeah, people want the quality, 357 00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:37,400 the quality needs to be there, but it doesn't have to be 358 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:38,800 overboard. They care more about. 359 00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:42,400 The content is the content helping me is a quality good 360 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:46,300 enough so that I can listen and watch and it looks good right? 361 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:47,600 Who cares? Who cares? 362 00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:52,000 If it's 4K or 16k or whatever, unless you're like producing, 363 00:21:52,100 --> 00:21:55,800 you know, this Epic movie or something, which right? 364 00:21:55,900 --> 00:21:58,000 We're doing here, you know, it's all about the content. 365 00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:02,200 But no, I love the way you dug in and explained all that, man, 366 00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:04,400 that's a good stuff. Well, thank you. 367 00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:08,000 I mean, it's just, I'm trying to put it in perspective, right? 368 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:11,900 Because there's and I'm a big fan of analogy. 369 00:22:11,900 --> 00:22:18,300 So I love the idea of getting a little bit outside of the norm, 370 00:22:18,300 --> 00:22:20,000 right? Because when we have this 371 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:23,000 conversation and you've had this conversation with so many 372 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:26,500 guitars on your channel, it almost feels like, all right? 373 00:22:26,500 --> 00:22:29,200 We keep talking about, its redundant redundant, but it's 374 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:33,800 not because it's actually spreading some sort of Some form 375 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:38,300 of awareness to our audience that, hey, there is actually a 376 00:22:38,300 --> 00:22:43,300 physical difference here. It might be important to you or 377 00:22:43,300 --> 00:22:47,600 not, and that's fine, right? You don't have to, you know, 378 00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:50,300 just because we're talking about it here and we're just like, yo, 379 00:22:50,700 --> 00:22:55,500 man, everybody needs an eve, it's like not everybody needs. 380 00:22:55,500 --> 00:22:59,700 My need somebody might want something different for what 381 00:22:59,700 --> 00:23:03,100 they create, you know, they might decide that. 382 00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:06,000 It'll actually is fine. You know what's actually 383 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:09,400 something interesting about digital versus analog digital is 384 00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:13,200 too perfect, sometimes with the makes and actually when I 385 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:17,300 listened and I think we even shared a little bit of this 386 00:23:17,300 --> 00:23:20,400 together to I made I sent you a like, some demos. 387 00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:22,200 And I was like, hey, let's do a comparison. 388 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:24,900 And I've heard this from other my friends buddies to, they're 389 00:23:24,900 --> 00:23:30,800 like, hey, there's a, the both, makes it sound great, but the 390 00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:35,200 digital one sounds more glue Glued together and read that. 391 00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:36,800 Yeah. And it's like, you know what? 392 00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:42,800 That's true because there is no imperfection with the digital 393 00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:48,200 Spectrum, right? Which inherently sure, it makes 394 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:50,100 things more clear and all that kind of stuff. 395 00:23:50,100 --> 00:23:56,300 But when you start using the analog, the analog does 396 00:23:56,300 --> 00:23:59,900 something a little bit different and it's got something to do 397 00:23:59,900 --> 00:24:04,300 with phase, right? The timing, the How-use make the 398 00:24:04,300 --> 00:24:09,800 spread go between left and right, the crosstalk that 399 00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:12,800 happens between channels, right? And that's saying, you know, a 400 00:24:12,808 --> 00:24:15,400 little bit of the left side is bleeding a little bit into the 401 00:24:15,408 --> 00:24:17,800 right side or the right side is bleeding a little bit to the 402 00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:20,400 left side. There's, there's all these sorts 403 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:23,700 of circuitry, right? And when you run electrical 404 00:24:23,700 --> 00:24:28,600 units, you're also creating at the same time, a magnetic field. 405 00:24:28,900 --> 00:24:32,100 That's that's why we call it electromagnetism, right? 406 00:24:32,100 --> 00:24:36,400 Because they Exist together in the same, they're sort of 407 00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:40,500 perpendicular to each other in a sense and when you use this kind 408 00:24:40,500 --> 00:24:45,300 of gear, you're going to have certain anomalies and those 409 00:24:45,300 --> 00:24:49,400 anomalies can smooth out transients. 410 00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:55,400 They can make wave sustain a little bit longer just by 411 00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:58,800 inherently running through something like a transformer. 412 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:01,500 For example, right. What is a Transformer? 413 00:25:01,500 --> 00:25:06,500 It's just an iron. Core with wires wrapped on each 414 00:25:06,500 --> 00:25:10,300 side and what does it do? It changes the amount of voltage 415 00:25:10,300 --> 00:25:13,000 that you have going from one end to the other end. 416 00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:17,900 So the difference when you are running through that you're 417 00:25:17,900 --> 00:25:21,700 getting something called magnetic flux and that magnetic 418 00:25:21,700 --> 00:25:25,600 flux is very very similar to tape. 419 00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:32,400 So when you overdrive tape your over emphasizing this magnetic 420 00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:35,100 flux. Which creates what we call 421 00:25:35,100 --> 00:25:39,700 saturation, right? So, that's saturation adds 422 00:25:39,700 --> 00:25:43,400 color. And that is why when I run 423 00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:47,400 through something like Annie, I'm like, oh, it sounds so much 424 00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:50,300 more exciting. It sounds thicker. 425 00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:53,300 It sounds Fuller. It may not be as glued and 426 00:25:53,300 --> 00:25:58,900 perfect is digital, but I feel The Vibes more from the knee 427 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:03,100 than I did with the digital, and that is more important to me. 428 00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:06,800 This situation, then what I was seeking for, with the digital 429 00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:10,300 mix. So that's that's why I did that, 430 00:26:10,500 --> 00:26:13,400 right? Somebody might say the digital 431 00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:16,000 was actually what they were looking for in the first place 432 00:26:16,500 --> 00:26:21,100 and if that's okay, if they wanted the clean mix that had 433 00:26:21,100 --> 00:26:26,200 the, the perfect, you know, stereo perception or a you want 434 00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:29,600 to and here's the thing you can't do analog with Atmos or 435 00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:32,400 anything like that. So you your, if you want to do 436 00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:35,600 at most, yeah, you Got to do a digital but that's the thing, 437 00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:37,900 right? So you can't do Atmos but you 438 00:26:37,900 --> 00:26:42,200 get the Vibes without a log. But if you do you know digital 439 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:45,300 you get at most you get all the benefits of using that, you 440 00:26:45,300 --> 00:26:49,800 know, that world. It's fascinating that just the 441 00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:52,800 stark contrast on what things can be useful for. 442 00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:54,900 And that's the thing. You have to know the limitations 443 00:26:54,900 --> 00:26:58,100 of what your system can do. Something being very clean in 444 00:26:58,100 --> 00:27:02,000 the digital world. You know, maybe perfect for some 445 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:05,100 situations, but it may not Be the best route for something 446 00:27:05,100 --> 00:27:09,800 else and, and in my opinion, Rock and metal were always like 447 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:15,700 analog heavy beasts. So I love anything Hardware, 448 00:27:15,700 --> 00:27:17,600 right? That's why the best records in 449 00:27:17,608 --> 00:27:21,600 the 80s were worked on an SSL. The SSL they started using 450 00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:26,500 compressors on the entire mix bus and they started to have 451 00:27:26,500 --> 00:27:28,600 pressures on every single Channel. 452 00:27:28,900 --> 00:27:32,300 And that's why we created such a beefy sound coming out of the 453 00:27:32,300 --> 00:27:35,300 80s. That we revered even till this 454 00:27:35,300 --> 00:27:37,200 day. I love it. 455 00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:40,400 Do it in that kind of jumps right into guitar tones. 456 00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:44,300 There again, there are a lot of great metal albums out there so 457 00:27:44,300 --> 00:27:47,900 many, but sometimes I hear the guitar tone and it just, it 458 00:27:47,900 --> 00:27:53,500 sounds like papery. I don't want to say then but it 459 00:27:53,500 --> 00:27:56,100 just sounds. It almost sounds too perfect. 460 00:27:56,100 --> 00:27:59,100 And it's just like, okay just it sounds process. 461 00:27:59,100 --> 00:28:02,400 It sounds overly process. I there are countless albums 462 00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:07,900 like that, whereas the ones that you can't, Were recorded with a 463 00:28:07,908 --> 00:28:11,500 real amplifier and maybe not a whole lot done after that 464 00:28:11,500 --> 00:28:14,100 because I think sometimes people might record their tracks with a 465 00:28:14,108 --> 00:28:18,100 live man upright with a tube amp mic'd up but then they do so 466 00:28:18,100 --> 00:28:20,500 much stuff to it in the post processing. 467 00:28:20,500 --> 00:28:23,900 It just kind of kills the vibe of the real amp, right? 468 00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:27,500 So I've heard you hear the difference between guitars and 469 00:28:27,500 --> 00:28:31,900 certain album songs, and such and even even between albums, 470 00:28:31,900 --> 00:28:35,100 like you can even go back to and I think Metallica probably uses, 471 00:28:35,100 --> 00:28:36,400 you know, they probably still Mike there. 472 00:28:36,500 --> 00:28:39,100 Amps and all that good stuff. But even with that using the 473 00:28:39,100 --> 00:28:43,300 same strategy you can tell they're sound from kmol really 474 00:28:43,300 --> 00:28:47,100 raw man that and Ride the Lightning to go into an album 475 00:28:47,100 --> 00:28:50,100 like justice, you know, the tone completely change, you know, 476 00:28:50,100 --> 00:28:53,200 one's not really better than the other but the justice is a 477 00:28:53,208 --> 00:28:54,500 little bit cleaner. Right now. 478 00:28:54,500 --> 00:28:57,200 Of course, that was, that was all real amps, but you get into 479 00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:59,200 some of these bands that are recording with plugins. 480 00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:02,500 And look, my I'm not knocking that guy's my last three albums 481 00:29:02,500 --> 00:29:06,200 Masterpiece, I recorded those with a Sims with positive grids. 482 00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:11,100 They're Mesa amp Sim and it was what I had at the time. 483 00:29:11,500 --> 00:29:14,500 My heavy metal workout series albums, those were recorded with 484 00:29:14,500 --> 00:29:17,300 the same thing positive grid. My first album apocalyptic 485 00:29:17,300 --> 00:29:21,800 dreams, I recorded that with the Pod hd500. 486 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:25,200 Their Engel Sim right? Was sounds Nothing Like an Eagle 487 00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:29,600 aunt but it served the purpose for the time now I'm looking at 488 00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:31,400 this album here. Well I'm like you know what I 489 00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:34,100 want to I want to do it differently, there are things in 490 00:29:34,108 --> 00:29:37,500 my album so I'm like okay I'm not Really sure if I like the 491 00:29:37,500 --> 00:29:39,500 tones. You know, I'm not knocking my 492 00:29:39,500 --> 00:29:41,700 own albums, but maybe in a way I am. 493 00:29:42,300 --> 00:29:47,000 But you do use, what you have to do, what you need to do, right? 494 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:49,900 If you're recording with plugins right now, maybe you don't have 495 00:29:49,900 --> 00:29:51,700 the budget to go out and buy a tube amp. 496 00:29:51,700 --> 00:29:53,900 Maybe you don't even want one. Hey, go for it. 497 00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:56,100 Me on the other hand though, I'm like okay well this album is 498 00:29:56,100 --> 00:29:59,500 going to be recorded with a live, a almost done but it 499 00:29:59,500 --> 00:30:02,400 brings me to to this recent sponsorship with black star. 500 00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:07,200 I got they're amped 3 and for those who have Who watched my 501 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:09,500 unboxing? Apologies for the disaster, 502 00:30:09,500 --> 00:30:13,800 there is some what I call ID 10t error, write that out. 503 00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:19,200 I D 10 t on my part in getting the same, but I've learned how 504 00:30:19,208 --> 00:30:21,100 to use it. And of course, by at this time 505 00:30:21,100 --> 00:30:23,200 on my channel, I've got, you know, a few videos out there 506 00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:25,800 with the black star. But to me it was kind of like 507 00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:28,200 the perfect. Almost a perfect. 508 00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:32,200 Because I I'm somewhere in between liking it and sort of 509 00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:33,700 loving it. You know. 510 00:30:33,700 --> 00:30:36,300 I do like it a lot, but I'm not in love with it. 511 00:30:36,500 --> 00:30:39,100 It quite yet. So any case though I'm still 512 00:30:39,100 --> 00:30:41,900 playing around with it but it's like the like the perfect 513 00:30:41,900 --> 00:30:45,200 balance or 88 balance. At least between miking a tube 514 00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:49,300 amplifier because the amp three is a real a 100 watt amp you can 515 00:30:49,300 --> 00:30:53,300 you can connect it to a cap and not need a power source. 516 00:30:53,300 --> 00:30:57,300 It is an amplifier or you can use it in your Daw or run 517 00:30:57,300 --> 00:31:00,100 through a soundboard and you're using the real amp but you're 518 00:31:00,100 --> 00:31:02,900 also using their cab simulation right there. 519 00:31:02,900 --> 00:31:06,100 I ours. So that's kind of that's kind of 520 00:31:06,108 --> 00:31:10,700 where Mixing hardware and software together, and I realize 521 00:31:10,700 --> 00:31:14,700 it's not feasible for everyone to mic up a tube amp, you got 522 00:31:14,700 --> 00:31:17,400 to, you know, you got to get them up pretty loud, right, to 523 00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:20,500 get that signal and to get the breakup and all that. 524 00:31:20,500 --> 00:31:23,000 Now, some of the modern amps, like the evh 5150. 525 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:25,200 Three, I guess, it's not so modern anymore. 526 00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:28,200 It's been out for a while, but that does not need a booster. 527 00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:31,000 And I can get like the perfect Distortion tone. 528 00:31:31,100 --> 00:31:32,900 Even at a low volume even at one. 529 00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:36,300 Now a one on a 50-watt tube amp is still is not. 530 00:31:36,500 --> 00:31:40,500 Soft as this pretty loud, right? But I get a good sound out of 531 00:31:40,500 --> 00:31:44,500 that but even then those it's not always feasible to Mike that 532 00:31:44,500 --> 00:31:47,000 up. So this little product here, the 533 00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:50,400 amp three, you know, I like it, I mean is cool. 534 00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:53,100 It's a real amp. I get that get that feel of the 535 00:31:53,100 --> 00:31:57,600 amp and when I went back and listen to some tracks, you know, 536 00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:00,500 recorded with the amp three because I just recorded a few 537 00:32:00,500 --> 00:32:03,500 demo tracks, few things for the YouTube videos. 538 00:32:03,700 --> 00:32:06,700 I would listen to those in other sources headphones and car Here 539 00:32:06,700 --> 00:32:09,300 to older tracks. I've recorded with a Sims. 540 00:32:10,100 --> 00:32:13,000 There's really no comparison that the Sims and I've tried 541 00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:15,700 them all, guys I've you know, I'm not knocking Sims are great, 542 00:32:15,700 --> 00:32:19,200 use them if you want, I still use them, I probably always will 543 00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:22,700 to some capacity, but for certain things like this album, 544 00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:26,700 well, I'm going to use probably a mixture of the ebh and the, a 545 00:32:26,700 --> 00:32:30,300 3-2 to finish this up, you know, so I know there's a difference 546 00:32:30,700 --> 00:32:33,700 that makes it, that makes a lot of sense and it also depends on 547 00:32:33,700 --> 00:32:35,800 where you are in your process to write. 548 00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:40,500 So, So like when you're working on your album and you're trying 549 00:32:40,500 --> 00:32:44,100 to get ideas down like why go through all the effort of doing 550 00:32:44,100 --> 00:32:47,100 analog like that, that that makes that makes no sense. 551 00:32:47,100 --> 00:32:51,000 Because now you're still in a formulation phase of trying to 552 00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:54,300 create your ideas and cement those once you've got those 553 00:32:54,300 --> 00:32:57,900 cemented and you're like this is what it's going to be and now I 554 00:32:57,900 --> 00:32:59,700 just need to make it the best it can be. 555 00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:04,000 Then that makes more sense about like okay let's go and you know 556 00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:06,300 you know let's record and the case with the blacks. 557 00:33:06,500 --> 00:33:08,000 Rm3. Right? 558 00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:11,100 You know, you might just use the IRS in the beginning just 559 00:33:11,100 --> 00:33:14,300 because you want to get some tone and you're just recording 560 00:33:14,300 --> 00:33:17,600 them to for songwriting, but then when you're ready to like 561 00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:20,500 re-amp it, and you want to put it in the studio, you got your 562 00:33:20,500 --> 00:33:24,400 settings that, you know, it has the amplifying process right in 563 00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:27,400 the, in the Box itself. But then, it can go right into a 564 00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:29,800 speaker. You can choose to put it on, you 565 00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:33,900 know, like some Celeste Jian, freaking, like woofers or 566 00:33:33,900 --> 00:33:36,000 whatever. And then use the microphones 567 00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:38,100 that you Ali want in the studio, right? 568 00:33:38,100 --> 00:33:40,600 You can go to a studio and record it with that. 569 00:33:40,900 --> 00:33:44,300 You can you can you can take it up the Wazoo as much as you 570 00:33:44,300 --> 00:33:45,500 want. You could record it through an 571 00:33:45,500 --> 00:33:51,500 SSL L, you know. But this this kind of like idea 572 00:33:51,500 --> 00:33:56,600 of like hey like do I need analog you don't need analog but 573 00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:59,600 does it enhance the process? Sure. 574 00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:02,400 So um yeah, it's just a matter of. 575 00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:08,600 Where are you in your process? And How important is it to you 576 00:34:09,300 --> 00:34:14,100 to make it happen? Because and you know, I've known 577 00:34:14,100 --> 00:34:19,400 like I've also worked in a Mastery Studios to and I 578 00:34:19,699 --> 00:34:24,400 stumbled across people who were strictly mastering like digital 579 00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:29,000 purists like they didn't, they did not touch analog and they 580 00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:31,400 did it for a very specific reason, right? 581 00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:34,699 Which is that every time you convert a signal, you actually 582 00:34:34,699 --> 00:34:37,800 damage it, right? Actually I explain this a little 583 00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:41,800 bit before I called it, quantization error, where the 584 00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:46,400 computer it has to round the information to the closest Value 585 00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:50,600 that it can process right? So when you do that inherently 586 00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:53,600 it's an inaccurate representation because it's 587 00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:56,600 rounding the information. It's not the exact information 588 00:34:56,600 --> 00:35:01,200 that it was given so by putting that into an analog realm just 589 00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:03,600 by converting it, you've got you've damaged the signal 590 00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:06,100 technically right this soup. Crazy. 591 00:35:06,100 --> 00:35:09,200 Do I feel like we're almost talking about the whole Quantum 592 00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:13,900 field here? But well it is it is super like 593 00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:18,400 a super geeky detail Heroes. There are certain. 594 00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:22,300 That's why certain mastering Engineers don't do it because 595 00:35:22,500 --> 00:35:28,000 the the entire philosophy of mastering is to not damage the 596 00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:32,800 source, so by doing that they're like okay I've inherently 597 00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:36,300 damaged it right and getting into a Log. 598 00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:41,400 Now, you've got to also deal with like noise like gear has 599 00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:43,400 noise. Like that's just part of it. 600 00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:46,300 Um, and you know, yeah. You'll have some other benefits 601 00:35:46,300 --> 00:35:49,900 to it but man, it will do certain things to your signal 602 00:35:49,900 --> 00:35:55,400 and you have to deal with that. Like I did it realize how 603 00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:59,600 freaking noisy this thing can be until I actually started running 604 00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:02,900 my digital mix through it and I was like you know, when it's 605 00:36:02,900 --> 00:36:06,500 quiet I hear the noise and Hey, you know what? 606 00:36:06,700 --> 00:36:10,800 I had to make the decision that I was okay with that because at 607 00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:13,900 the end of the day, The Vibes that I was getting from this. 608 00:36:13,900 --> 00:36:17,000 I was like it's worth it and it's the same thing. 609 00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:18,800 Why people? And they go like, oh yeah, you 610 00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:22,100 know it's like that tape hiss, you know, when you're listening 611 00:36:22,100 --> 00:36:24,600 to old records and your hearing or your just decided. 612 00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:27,900 Hey I want to record on tape. Well, you're going to have to 613 00:36:27,900 --> 00:36:34,300 deal with the That you hear when you run through tape because 614 00:36:34,500 --> 00:36:38,400 that's literally the tape scratching over the tape head. 615 00:36:39,500 --> 00:36:43,000 No, screw, you know it but that's, that's part of the 616 00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:46,100 process of doing analog and that's why some mastering 617 00:36:46,100 --> 00:36:50,200 Engineers when they're after, like, you know, a clean master, 618 00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:52,000 they don't they don't even touch analog. 619 00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:57,100 So I understand the sentiment and, you know, again, it's not 620 00:36:57,100 --> 00:37:01,300 to say that Anna digital is inferior or analog is inferior. 621 00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:05,600 It's That they're different and you you have a nothing is 622 00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:10,700 without like a give and take you know if you go digital you just 623 00:37:10,700 --> 00:37:12,800 know that there are certain things that if you're going to 624 00:37:12,808 --> 00:37:16,100 try and emulate analog stuff on it, it's not going to be quite 625 00:37:16,100 --> 00:37:19,000 the same as actually using analog, right? 626 00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:22,400 And vice versa, right? Trying to try to get analog to 627 00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:24,800 be as clean as digital good luck. 628 00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:26,500 Yeah. You know, because that just 629 00:37:26,500 --> 00:37:27,800 doesn't exist. Yeah. 630 00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:29,100 Yeah. I like the idea. 631 00:37:29,100 --> 00:37:32,700 You see I don't. I'm so not a Purest really in 632 00:37:32,700 --> 00:37:36,300 anything I you can you know what you and I talked about this and 633 00:37:36,300 --> 00:37:39,400 I'm not going to mention the evil word politics, but pretty 634 00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:42,700 much in most things in life, I'm very down the middle. 635 00:37:42,700 --> 00:37:44,300 Now some people will give me crap for that. 636 00:37:44,300 --> 00:37:47,100 We go to choose one. I'm like, why why do I have to 637 00:37:47,100 --> 00:37:48,900 choose one? I don't want to choose one. 638 00:37:48,900 --> 00:37:52,500 So I'm not going to which brings me to the point is, you don't 639 00:37:52,500 --> 00:37:55,500 necessarily have to be a digital Puris or an analog purist. 640 00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:58,100 You can merge the two. The two can live in the same 641 00:37:58,100 --> 00:38:01,900 world together, you know, in my opinion, like, for example, Got 642 00:38:01,900 --> 00:38:05,500 my rhythm guitar tracks with an E VH amplifier. 643 00:38:05,500 --> 00:38:09,400 A Mite up amplifier right now my lead tracks will just have 644 00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:13,200 recorded yet I might will more than likely use the amp'd. 645 00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:15,300 Three by the time this podcast comes out. 646 00:38:15,300 --> 00:38:17,800 I hope the lead tracks are done. We always film these like two 647 00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:21,900 weeks in advance but I might use the amp 3 which is a mix of 648 00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:24,400 hardware and software because you've got the cabin emulation. 649 00:38:24,700 --> 00:38:30,300 Now, for bass guitar, I may use a base Sim that were recording 650 00:38:30,300 --> 00:38:33,700 the bass or, you know, I'm Can it may be working with Rich gray 651 00:38:33,700 --> 00:38:35,600 on that? And I, you know, he'll probably 652 00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:38,100 send the DIA and I'll run it through an amp or I might just 653 00:38:38,100 --> 00:38:40,200 use whatever, you know, process used. 654 00:38:40,500 --> 00:38:43,900 So all that said, you know, and then going into doing vocals, 655 00:38:43,900 --> 00:38:45,200 you know? Right now I'm just running into 656 00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:47,400 an interface. I may get a better mic preamp 657 00:38:47,500 --> 00:38:51,200 but I'm still going to have some plugins on those vocals. 658 00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:53,500 I'll have a little Reverb. Well, that's gonna be a plug-in 659 00:38:53,500 --> 00:38:55,400 that's going to be digital. I'll have a little delay in a 660 00:38:55,408 --> 00:38:57,400 compressor that's going to be digital can. 661 00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:02,200 So I believe you can merge all these things to Together. 662 00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:04,200 If you want that, if that's what you want. 663 00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:07,400 I don't really see the point in saying, well I'm going to be all 664 00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:08,700 analog. Everything's gotta be a like 665 00:39:08,700 --> 00:39:10,300 where I'm going to be all digital. 666 00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:14,300 I would rather folks look at is like what what do you want? 667 00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:15,700 I mean, if that's what you really want, go for it. 668 00:39:15,700 --> 00:39:18,000 But why do you want it, right? What's the benefit? 669 00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:22,600 So, I'm a big believer in just doing what works best for you. 670 00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:26,100 It might lean. One way more one way, right? 671 00:39:26,100 --> 00:39:28,500 Maybelline. More digital than analog or more 672 00:39:28,500 --> 00:39:32,200 analog, but if you can use them together in just Make things 673 00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:34,000 great and convenient at the same time. 674 00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:37,900 Hey, why not? Yeah, and I want even tag on a 675 00:39:37,900 --> 00:39:39,700 little bit there. I mean, one of our other 676 00:39:39,700 --> 00:39:41,600 sponsors opulence, what they're doing. 677 00:39:41,900 --> 00:39:43,900 They're you know, right? We talked about NF tease the 678 00:39:43,900 --> 00:39:46,100 digital side of things of ownership, right? 679 00:39:46,100 --> 00:39:49,200 But if you decide that you want to buy one of their aunties, you 680 00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:55,700 also can get a plaque for it. That's like Google, isn't it? 681 00:39:55,700 --> 00:39:59,100 So cool though, like you you get a digital file and then as a 682 00:39:59,100 --> 00:40:02,400 reward for having that digital file, you can Have a physical 683 00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:04,500 representation of that in the real world, right? 684 00:40:04,500 --> 00:40:06,500 That's weird. So yeah, that's like that's like 685 00:40:06,500 --> 00:40:10,900 a great way of comparing living digital and analog together they 686 00:40:10,900 --> 00:40:15,500 can coexist. It's it's really unhealthy for 687 00:40:15,500 --> 00:40:19,200 us to look at certain things as just one or the other. 688 00:40:19,300 --> 00:40:24,800 Like we have to live, you know. Together we there's there's no 689 00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:26,500 reason to separate the two honestly. 690 00:40:26,500 --> 00:40:28,100 We hurt each other by doing that. 691 00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:31,400 The more we can understand how they coexist the better. 692 00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:36,100 Will be and the more, you know, honestly future-proof will make 693 00:40:36,100 --> 00:40:42,200 everything exists because I love like I got into analog in my 694 00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:46,900 career much later. I started for a very long time, 695 00:40:46,900 --> 00:40:50,400 just with digital, right? And I'm looking at my rack here, 696 00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:52,900 which you can't see. But I just started with digital 697 00:40:52,900 --> 00:40:55,200 for a long, long long, long time. 698 00:40:55,500 --> 00:40:59,900 And when I got into the analog world to in integrate into my 699 00:40:59,900 --> 00:41:05,300 hybrid, now hybrid, It was just, it was just a big reveal for me, 700 00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:10,500 and it added to my process. And then if in the beginning, 701 00:41:10,700 --> 00:41:12,600 when I started using digital, I was like, yeah. 702 00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:15,800 Like why use analog? I got all these plugins, and I 703 00:41:15,808 --> 00:41:21,400 was ignorant because I didn't actually really learn the 704 00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:23,900 difference. I didn't, you know, when I was 705 00:41:23,900 --> 00:41:28,800 learning how to do recording, back in college, they were 706 00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:31,500 teaching us stuff using mostly digital equipment. 707 00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:36,000 Aunt, I went to a community college and then when I got into 708 00:41:36,700 --> 00:41:40,800 a other college for a four year college, I learned more of the 709 00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:42,800 difference on what analog can do. 710 00:41:42,900 --> 00:41:47,900 But I looked at Analog at that time as okay, I would record 711 00:41:47,900 --> 00:41:51,300 with analog, but I would mix entirely with digital and I 712 00:41:51,300 --> 00:41:56,800 didn't really ever try mixing analog with my record back with 713 00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:59,600 the first homeric album this time around. 714 00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:01,500 I said, let's mix with that along. 715 00:42:01,900 --> 00:42:07,000 Because let's see what that will do and oh my gosh, it did so 716 00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:10,700 much more for my for my process and I'm super excited about 717 00:42:10,700 --> 00:42:12,800 that. But yeah, man, I totally, I 718 00:42:12,808 --> 00:42:17,800 totally 100% agree with you analog and digital, you know, 719 00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:20,400 you don't have to throw one away for the other. 720 00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:23,900 They can live together and you can do it within your own budget 721 00:42:23,900 --> 00:42:26,700 to. There's analog gear out there. 722 00:42:26,700 --> 00:42:30,600 That's very affordable, and it actually adds quite a bit of 723 00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:33,000 character. To anything that you run through 724 00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:37,200 it, you could even use something as simple as just a high-quality 725 00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:41,100 preamp and just use that to color your signal. 726 00:42:41,100 --> 00:42:43,000 So I was going to ask you about the, like we're like, for 727 00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:46,500 vocals, for example, and this is mainly for me, guys, but it will 728 00:42:46,500 --> 00:42:49,300 help everyone listening. So, when I go to record vocals, 729 00:42:49,700 --> 00:42:51,800 I'm looking at using this Electro-Voice, again, I'm, you 730 00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:53,100 know, this is a sponsorship here. 731 00:42:53,100 --> 00:42:56,400 I've got there re 20 Mike, it's a broadcasting, Mike, but like, 732 00:42:56,400 --> 00:43:00,300 the sm7b also broadcasting Mike. Well, a lot of people do vocals, 733 00:43:00,300 --> 00:43:04,600 especially metal So what preamp, what type of preamp would you 734 00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:07,300 run a microphone through for vocals? 735 00:43:07,300 --> 00:43:09,300 Because right now, I'm just running it through my interface 736 00:43:09,300 --> 00:43:11,700 and using plugins, but there there's probably a better 737 00:43:11,700 --> 00:43:15,200 method, right? Well, you know what, I would say 738 00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:20,100 is there's different types of preamps with different types of 739 00:43:20,100 --> 00:43:23,500 components, right? I mentioned knee of. 740 00:43:23,500 --> 00:43:29,200 And the way I like to look at Nev is it's like a, it's like 741 00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:34,400 dark chocolate. It's rich and it's got a lot of 742 00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:38,100 It's gotta it's got a lot of like a lot of meat to it, right 743 00:43:38,100 --> 00:43:42,200 it's heavy, right? But when you're using something 744 00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:48,700 let's say like like an API that's like more of like mint 745 00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:52,200 ice cream, right? Because it's got an open 746 00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:55,000 mid-range it opens your nasal nostrils, right? 747 00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:57,900 So you're that you're listening and you're, you're tasting the 748 00:43:57,900 --> 00:44:02,000 buds of all that, right? So each one has its own Both 749 00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:05,700 signature sound. I think it really just depends 750 00:44:05,700 --> 00:44:09,400 on you playing around and just trying out some different 751 00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:13,100 priest. That's why a lot of people 752 00:44:13,100 --> 00:44:18,100 really like something called, like these, like 500 series 753 00:44:18,700 --> 00:44:22,300 analog rack units, and they're like these little tiny modules, 754 00:44:22,300 --> 00:44:23,600 right? And it goes, yeah, and they 755 00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:25,400 slide into an entire rack, right? 756 00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:29,800 So that's a very, very good way of getting an affordable. 757 00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:33,500 High-quality preamp or You can you get compressors, you can get 758 00:44:33,500 --> 00:44:37,100 eqs and stuff in that form factor to, but a lot of people 759 00:44:37,100 --> 00:44:40,500 like to just, you know, collect a couple of different preamps 760 00:44:40,700 --> 00:44:43,500 and what they'll do is, they'll just they'll just run stuff 761 00:44:43,500 --> 00:44:47,000 through that, you know, get two of each, right, get to needs, 762 00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:53,000 get to apis, get to ssl's, get to, I don't know, Burl's, 763 00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:55,200 whatever you want, right? And try them out. 764 00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:57,300 And that's a great way. And if you don't like them, sell 765 00:44:57,300 --> 00:45:01,200 them, they people will buy them, they're these analog, people 766 00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:05,400 will buy Yes, yes, analog gear will always retain value unlike 767 00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:08,900 digital, okay, because digital moves forward so fast the 768 00:45:08,900 --> 00:45:11,500 moment, you buy it, it's already archaic right? 769 00:45:11,500 --> 00:45:14,500 Try selling an old digital interface that you have you're 770 00:45:14,500 --> 00:45:18,400 probably going to get 50 bucks for it, you know, it's gonna be 771 00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:21,100 outdated. Go ahead one preamp. 772 00:45:21,100 --> 00:45:24,000 Do You Feel It by one preamp? If like, okay can you can only 773 00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:27,500 choose one preamp for vocals and maybe running guitars through as 774 00:45:27,500 --> 00:45:29,400 well if you're Mike and amps, what would you choose? 775 00:45:29,700 --> 00:45:39,500 I'm just curious, honestly. I love Nev just as a as I'm a 776 00:45:39,500 --> 00:45:46,700 biased Nev lover but SSL is such a good Contender to that to man. 777 00:45:48,500 --> 00:45:54,600 You know, SSL actually released I think a new interface that 778 00:45:55,800 --> 00:46:01,300 that has I think 32-bit native recording which I very very 779 00:46:01,300 --> 00:46:04,100 interesting, I think is called the SSL 12 or something like 780 00:46:04,100 --> 00:46:09,200 that interested to Yeah, and it sounds Bonkers, man. 781 00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:11,700 It's so good. I mean the pre is on an SSL are 782 00:46:11,700 --> 00:46:15,600 just fantastic. You really can't go wrong. 783 00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:24,500 I like what I like about an SSL. Is there is a toughness but 784 00:46:24,500 --> 00:46:31,200 versatility to it. It's kind of like, how would I 785 00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:36,200 say it if Nev is like Dark chocolate. 786 00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:42,900 I guess you could say SSL is like, Peanut butter. 787 00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:48,100 Okay. Yeah, you know, if you get a 788 00:46:48,100 --> 00:46:50,700 difference between those two, right? 789 00:46:50,700 --> 00:46:52,900 You got peanut butter and dark chocolate? 790 00:46:52,900 --> 00:46:57,200 Which one do you prefer more? You know, it depends on what 791 00:46:57,200 --> 00:46:59,700 you're after. I love SSL for guitars. 792 00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:01,900 I really do. I love chocolate. 793 00:47:01,900 --> 00:47:05,100 I'm going dark chocolate, dude. So just I need sounds fantastic 794 00:47:05,100 --> 00:47:07,200 to. I mean the thing about what an 795 00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:11,500 eve does and as the cells has to have Transformers in To. 796 00:47:11,500 --> 00:47:14,800 But Nev was really the first to really, like hit the market with 797 00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:17,700 these and they did it in such a way but like with Transformers 798 00:47:17,700 --> 00:47:22,700 do is that they entice like third order harmonics, like the 799 00:47:22,700 --> 00:47:25,900 odd harmonics in a signal. So when you're listening to that 800 00:47:25,900 --> 00:47:29,500 kind of stuff, think about it in a musical intervals, right? 801 00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:34,900 That's like your s your 7, it's all the more dissonant stuff. 802 00:47:35,900 --> 00:47:39,400 And what that does is it adds Edge right in music? 803 00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:45,200 Yes, it's the same thing here, but tonally with musical sounds 804 00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:48,200 with frequencies and harmonics. It's the same idea. 805 00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:52,000 So, when you're listening to Nev or an SSL, you're getting that 806 00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:57,300 like juice that that edginess, that we like, and we incorporate 807 00:47:57,300 --> 00:47:59,700 into all of our mixes at some point, you know, that's why we 808 00:47:59,700 --> 00:48:02,900 like, to boost things like six kilohertz. 809 00:48:03,100 --> 00:48:06,800 Well, you know, because six kilohertz is Rika Neji when it 810 00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:10,800 comes to guitars or 3 kilohertz or and their octaves apart, 811 00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:13,400 right? But they're edgy harmonics. 812 00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:19,400 So yeah man. I mean if I had to choose like a 813 00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:24,200 desert island preamp. Yeah. 814 00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:30,900 It'd probably be like a Nev like a like a like a 5500 series or a 815 00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:37,200 You know, one of their like Sheldon I believe is shelford 816 00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:40,700 shelford eq's. I think it also has a pre on it 817 00:48:40,700 --> 00:48:47,200 as well, inspired by the 1073 sort of original circuitry. 818 00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:49,700 So you're getting you're getting a lot of that with with the 819 00:48:49,700 --> 00:48:54,900 shelford but it's it, you can't go wrong with a need s to that. 820 00:48:56,000 --> 00:49:00,800 An SSL 4000 preamp, just it's the classic. 821 00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:06,100 Like metal and rock rehab that you heard on so many records. 822 00:49:07,300 --> 00:49:11,500 After that, I'd probably go API. Okay? 823 00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:14,300 Like if 31 looks good to know because I I'm looking for 824 00:49:14,300 --> 00:49:16,300 something for my vocals. You know? 825 00:49:16,300 --> 00:49:19,500 And I may just stick with the PreSonus. 826 00:49:19,700 --> 00:49:23,400 What is called the XXX M, ax x max, I can't remember the name 827 00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:25,900 of their preamps and they're decent, they're not horrible by 828 00:49:25,900 --> 00:49:28,400 any means. But maybe I might want something 829 00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:29,600 a little bit better than that, though. 830 00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:33,000 So, we'll see ya. I mean, I think for anybody 831 00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:37,800 who's interested in learning, what analog can do for them, 832 00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:41,200 definitely the first thing I would say is just get a, get a 833 00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:45,400 quality preamp and and start there because you can do 834 00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:47,600 multiple things with that pre-owned, not only can you 835 00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:51,600 record with it. You could also run your mix 836 00:49:51,700 --> 00:49:56,200 through it and get the two sides left and right, and then we'll 837 00:49:56,200 --> 00:49:59,600 Cordon do can on the preamp. So man, so if you get a really 838 00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:02,100 good preamp and you're going to record, That get you're going to 839 00:50:02,107 --> 00:50:03,900 run your microphone through that preamp. 840 00:50:04,300 --> 00:50:07,100 But are you good then going to run, you know that preamp 841 00:50:07,100 --> 00:50:10,400 through your interface? Go into your Daw. 842 00:50:10,500 --> 00:50:12,100 Is that get is that going to make? 843 00:50:12,500 --> 00:50:15,500 Is that going to devalue the signal at all? 844 00:50:16,100 --> 00:50:19,500 Well like I said every conversion would do that but you 845 00:50:19,500 --> 00:50:24,100 know in this case you know just run the main mix through it just 846 00:50:24,100 --> 00:50:25,800 for color. Okay. 847 00:50:26,100 --> 00:50:29,100 That would that it's very very small and miniscule. 848 00:50:29,100 --> 00:50:31,300 I'm talking dude like within a person. 849 00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:34,000 Aunt. Okay, so you want you to notice 850 00:50:34,100 --> 00:50:36,500 you won't you won't, you won't really notice it. 851 00:50:37,300 --> 00:50:40,400 You'll notice the temporal change of running through the 852 00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:42,900 preamp way more than you would ever notice. 853 00:50:42,900 --> 00:50:45,800 The quote, the conversion quality degraded gotcha. 854 00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:49,100 Gotcha, okay, okay cool. Yeah, I like that. 855 00:50:49,700 --> 00:50:53,300 Well guys, this has been a very interesting conversation. 856 00:50:53,300 --> 00:50:56,000 Can I learned a lot today man, I hope everyone listening learned 857 00:50:56,000 --> 00:51:01,200 a lot as well, so it's it's extremely intellectual. 858 00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:03,400 Precision, kind of above my head, dude. 859 00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:06,600 So I know that's why I'm, that's why I partnered with Ken is, 860 00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:08,600 he's a bit smarter than I am saying and younger. 861 00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:11,900 So, you know, all my pleasure man. 862 00:51:12,300 --> 00:51:15,300 But guys, hope you hope you learned some cool stuff today. 863 00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:19,500 I hope you took away some cool stuff and remember you know you 864 00:51:19,500 --> 00:51:23,600 don't you don't have to be all analog or all-digital. 865 00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:25,000 You know you don't have to do that. 866 00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:28,700 A lot of times, I think when we're trying to be what's called 867 00:51:28,700 --> 00:51:31,200 a zealot well this is the way, right? 868 00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:35,100 You can you can tag this to anything, especially nutrition, 869 00:51:35,300 --> 00:51:37,000 know this diet works for everybody. 870 00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:40,200 Everybody needs to do this or this, or that you need to 871 00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:43,000 meditate for five minutes or 8 hours or whatever. 872 00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:46,500 I'm making stuff up now, but just be careful with that kind 873 00:51:46,500 --> 00:51:48,600 of stuff when you're tempted to go. 874 00:51:48,600 --> 00:51:52,800 Just one extreme way because what I think that might do 875 00:51:52,900 --> 00:51:56,200 especially in the music world and early anything, it may hold 876 00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:58,900 you back a bit, right? It may hold you back 877 00:51:59,100 --> 00:52:01,600 unnecessarily. Like if you're like what Got to 878 00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:04,500 go all digital. I can't do analog, you might be 879 00:52:04,500 --> 00:52:07,500 missing out on something right? Would have some of that analog 880 00:52:07,900 --> 00:52:10,000 what if it feels better what if it sounds better to you? 881 00:52:10,100 --> 00:52:12,400 Vice versa? Well I'm all analog I'm a 882 00:52:12,500 --> 00:52:14,400 whether they called purist or whatever, right? 883 00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:17,700 Well you might be missing out on something that could help you, 884 00:52:17,700 --> 00:52:19,000 right? You just never know. 885 00:52:19,300 --> 00:52:23,400 So everything has its Pace. Everything has has a place, 886 00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:25,900 right? So anyways, thought through 887 00:52:25,900 --> 00:52:29,800 those two cents at you guys Ken. Thanks for all the knowledge man 888 00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:32,300 and hope you guys. And Each time we get as get a 889 00:52:32,308 --> 00:52:34,700 lot out of this podcast. We enjoy doing this for you 890 00:52:34,900 --> 00:52:36,300 guys. Don't forget to go check out 891 00:52:36,300 --> 00:52:39,900 metal, Mastermind.com or website, check out our courses 892 00:52:40,100 --> 00:52:43,900 Ken and I we have made several recent upgrades to our 893 00:52:43,900 --> 00:52:48,000 songwriting course, metal songwriters Forge several 894 00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:50,300 courses on there. So go to metal Mastermind.com. 895 00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:53,200 Can you know, we're talking, let me throw this in real quick man. 896 00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:55,800 Now, we're talking about, you know, the studio and set up and 897 00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:59,600 all that just reminded me of your course called metal Studio 898 00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:01,200 designer. 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