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Guys welcome to another episode 
of Moodle Mastermind, your Co 

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host, Co founder Jason 
Stallworth and also Co host Co 

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founder the great. 
In. 

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Dallas, we're doing a virtual 
Cheers. 

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I'm holding my coffee cup up. 
You got water today guys. 

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We are going to give you 
something extra special today. 

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I mean it's almost it's always 
almost it's always extra 

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special. 
But this one has like a couple 

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of cherries. 
Maybe some beer flavored 

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cherries on top. 
I don't know where I got that 

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from anyway. 
Fermented cherry, say that's 

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great dude. 
That could be like a wine man. 

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Wow. 
I think we we may shift gears 

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here. 
Middle Mastermind winery man. 

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That would be cool. 
So as as we get in this guys, I 

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got one very, very short story. 
I just interviewed this dude 

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named Will James. 
I call him Sir William James 

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because it just sounds cool, you
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But he's the he's the drummer 
for the Tampa extreme metal band

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Must Not Kill. 
I interviewed him a couple of 

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weeks ago That's been out there 
by the time this podcast comes 

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out. 
That's probably been out for 

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over a month. 
But Long story short, he's not 

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just a drummer. 
This guy is a multi 

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instrumentalist. 
He brought his guitar, his bass,

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his acoustic and of course his 
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didn't play drums in my studio. 
But I'm like man, you got a lot 

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of stuff you're bringing over. 
He's like, well yeah, I play all

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these things. 
So anyway, he's a multi 

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instrumentalist. 
You know, you look at it, you 

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look at an extreme Ken, you're 
an extreme metal drummer. 

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I mean you're you're a drummer, 
right? 

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You're a metal drummer. 
I mean, you can, you can play 

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all styles, but you can attest 
to how much skill is involved in

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playing drums, percussion, in 
death metal, extreme metal, even

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rock. 
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I'm just going to go out here 
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lot of guitar players like 
myself here, but I'm going to 

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say there's more talent involved
in drums and playing solid drums

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and and those extreme styles and
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Well, that, you know, I mean 
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of drummers for one, 
independence amongst your limbs 

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is a big one, which I think 
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correctly, they have two limbs 
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Worry only two. 
I got double that so. 

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You got double that too, but I 
my drums. 

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Are firing and it gets kind of 
crazy, man. 

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It does do just a lot. 
And and I say that I don't mean 

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to take off the the guitar 
players and and and the bassist.

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I'm a guitar player. 
You guys know that and I don't 

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mean to take off the vocalist. 
You know the the people who 

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unload their gear and don't 
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because it's just a mic. 
OK You want me to help you carry

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that amp sight? 
I'm going to go set up my mic. 

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I only say that guys and this 
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Yeah. 
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for Must Not Kill. 
I say that to say this. 

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He's a multi instrumentalist and
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my show Ken was that when you 
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helps you with your current 
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So it really kind of changed my 
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I mean I play bass too and I 
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know I don't I don't play drums.
I mean you don't want to hear me

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behind a set. 
I can keep a steady beat. 

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I think if you're a musician you
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But ask me to do double bass and
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on the set or something. 
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It really just kind of shaped my
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should learn everything. 
But if you're a musician, I 

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think it's good to at least, if 
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proficient in everything, at 
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things. 
So with that guys, we want to 

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talk about everything that metal
mastermind has to offer. 

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Offer you guys in regards to 
education. 

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I know a lot of you have our 
courses, but most of you just 

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have maybe 1-2. 
Some of you have like 4 and five

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courses. 
And thank you by the way. 

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And honestly guys, this is not a
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I'm, I'm not saying you need to 
buy all metal mastermind 

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courses, you probably don't. 
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people are aware of what we have
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So guys, we we got guitar, we've
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courses, bass, we've got vocals.
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pipeline. 
But we have mixing. 

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We have Fury that I mentioned, 
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We even have a studio build 
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many people know about that. 
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you kind of a fun rundown of you
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and how this can help you. 
And again, just kind of make you

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aware of, you know, of what we 
have out there and we're going 

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to give you plenty of helpful 
tips as we go through this guys.

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It's not going to be like, hey, 
this is the course we have 

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goodbye bro or or sis. 
It's not going to be bad. 

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It's we're going to we're going 
to share some really valuable 

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things that I think even if you 
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again, this is not a pitch. 
If you didn't buy any of our 

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courses, I think you'll still 
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Ken, I'm going to kick it off, 
dude with actually, I was going 

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to ask you to kick it off with 
with your theory course, dude. 

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Yeah, I don't think a lot of 
people know there's a music 

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theory courts. 
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And now music theory was kind of
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way to be very approachable by 
anybody who was not any at any 

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level profession at music 
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But I also took it to another 
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be something that whoever did 
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could elevate what they already 
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Some people will will kind of 
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which I actually even if you're 
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actually really encourage you to
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because sometimes it's kind of 
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After a while, if you haven't 
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you kind of need to take a 
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some of the basics that get into
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formulas, you know. 
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those things too. 
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You know, I I kind of actually 
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you are going through the course
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So as you're walking and through
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having some references on what 
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So that's why I say it's always 
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basics of what I was teaching in
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advanced. 
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a lot of fun, man. 
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I've always wanted to do when it
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learning what kind of ideas I 
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obvious to me at first. 
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modes or even like counterpoint 
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also giving like my own examples
of my music from Homeric, that's

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very, very dense and it's very, 
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like this. 
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Like you know if you're into 
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talk a little bit about the 
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engaging with session musicians 
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important metal music theory is 
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you know learning some notes. 
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you're applying it in the real 
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That's I think that's like all 
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How does it apply in the real 
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So it's it's a very important 
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understand. 
It's like you got, I mean some 

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people will make the argument 
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music theory, which you you 
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But the tool of having music 
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it's kind of one of those, like,
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just like, wow, I'm glad I had 
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this problem really easily. 
If I didn't have this, this 

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would have been like 10 times 
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next. 
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shortcut through some obstacles 
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songwriting. 
You know, it's a great course, 

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dude. 
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who've been following me for any
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not a theory buff. 
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I've never said once to anyone, 
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I'm just very neutral about it. 
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career as a full time musician 
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guitar is you still learn theory
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If you're not, then you're 
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Well, those chords you know, 
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fret board, right? 
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You know, I do think it's 
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skill person. 
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I'm not saying you shouldn't but
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least learn the the minor and 
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learn one skill, you can play it
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So and what what it will help 
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notes are that sound good and 
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learn that, which again this is 
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I used to hold up a cross sign. 
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wheel of like gibberish but then
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You know Ken, you and I talked 
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seen on the Metal Mastermind 
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prominent video on the circle of
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here. 
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turn something around like the 
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because it really is simple. 
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hey if you're here then these 
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will probably fit well too. 
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makes a lot of sense. 
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theory, something that may not 
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they may not think it makes 
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So I it's it's a course. 
We're even if you're not a 

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theory buff like myself. 
I've gone through Ken's course a

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couple of times because I went 
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to it and what went as going 
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There's a lot I didn't know. 
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I'm like, oh, OK well, I 
actually had no more theory than

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I thought I did. 
But no great course, guys. 

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Metal music theory. 
Let's go on to to some of the 

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guitar courses, Ken. 
So if you're a beginner, not so 

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much a beginner guitar player, 
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playing metal guitar or. 
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basics. 
I know I talked to people 

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almost. 
I say not daily, but on a weekly

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basis that laid down the guitar 
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starting to pick it back up. 
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He was on my channel, just 
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So if you if you're that or if 

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you're new metal guitar, 
Apprentice is a great place to 

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to start. 
I teach that course guys. 

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I break down the basics, you 
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muting, the the types of 
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I keep it very basic. 
But you progress, you, you 

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gradually progress throughout 
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So you don't just learn the 
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You're actually applying the 
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You're actually applying what 
you know and the risks will kind

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of build on top of that. 
By the way, all of our courses 

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have bonuses in them. 
We won't go through the bonuses 

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because that would take forever.
We give a lot, Ken. 

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We. 
Try to We try to always add more

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value wherever we can. 
You know it it's not often that 

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we we we we raise our prices or 
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I was kind of built around the 

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Apprentice is actually pretty, 
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I think I've seen a lot of 
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walk away with metal guitar 
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out. 
That's what we want, man. 

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guitar methods, you got metal 
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use them and you know you have 
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recording basics even in that 
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it's it's got a lot of juice. 
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riffs, you know we're talking 
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decided to let's do a course 
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built that course around what my
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I'm like, well, let me, you 
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to build a course. 
I'm like, OK, well let's do it. 

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something I wanted something 
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Ken and I both did. 
You know, we already had Metal 

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of like three or four people 
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the course platform, what tell 
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if you're at an intermediate 
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great course over 80 riffs. 
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They're not all chugging away in
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So that's that's a great way to 
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you some new stuff to practice, 
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involved in there. 
I've got a lead module And then,

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you know, as far as the other 
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now, you know, Ken, we've got 
Alfred Potter's. 

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If you're like want to get to 
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got Alfred Potter's sweet 
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phenomenal course, man. 
Well, he goes. 

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Alfred is a is a master of what 
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It's actually quite magical if, 
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know, put Alfred on to my my, my
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at sweet thinking. 
I said Alfred, I I really, I 

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really need you to do your thing
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He was just like, Oh yeah, okay,
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He's so chilly So. 
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yeah, you know, it took me a 
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but then here you go. 
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Super humble and and he's 
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first when he comes he he loves 
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just a gift when it comes to 
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Very very clean, clear, detail 
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the the tabs, the you know, the 
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backing tracks and he'll go 
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picking pattern from 2 string to
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that into music and that's such 
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I really enjoyed watching those.
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is a gold mine or anybody who 
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playing and and really become 
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with an additional skill that is
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like category. 
That's why we made Sweet Picking

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Master its own course, because 
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it's very it's like a very 
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say, and it deserves its own 
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were just like, OK, yeah, we 
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just for this. 
And Alfred was the perfect guy 

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to do it. 
He's so knowledgeable about the 

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stuff. 
That's a technique that requires

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focus. 
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about that here, Ken, about how 
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when you're really wanting to 
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kind of have to cut out the 
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and just like like Micro focus 
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hit it. 
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guitar that does require immense
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a lot of focus. 
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I encourage every musician to do

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this. 
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on guitar players and such, but 
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A lot of guitar players say they
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You just have to find your own 
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I'd like to highlight our course
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This is taught by the one and 
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The Deus can. 
Can I say wife yet? 

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Or or we're? 
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it's happening. 
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But she's she's phenomenal man. 
I mean, you know, I've heard her

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work. 
She does some awesome artwork 

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too. 
She's done the artwork for my 

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released, I will have already 
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So that artwork you see on my 
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December 1st? 
Overcometh. 

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She did the artwork I got. 
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pro, had a pro photo shoot for 
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background or whatever, but she 
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the, the, the like, just the 
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Just so freaking cool man. 
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Masterpiece. 
I'm getting off topic, but she 

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says she's an amazing vocalist 
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If you want to hear her vocals, 
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band, right? 
Because we were kind of that 

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Look up Metal Mastermind. 

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You are your master. 
The song is called You Are Your 

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Master by Metal Mastermind. 
We got some more releases coming

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out in 2024, by the way. 
We haven't talked about that 

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yet, but we're going to release 
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vocals and her course, she 
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warm up and care for your voice,
the breathing and all that. 

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She goes through all these these
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is I have learned this is very 
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I don't consider myself a great 
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loves to sing and I've always 
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things and I've I've learned to 
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teaches you how to do that 
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she shares the fact that you 
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natural voice and that's kind of
what we we teach on metal 

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mastermind. 
You know, we're pretty pretty 

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die hard about what? 
Creating your own sound. 

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So she goes to that, she goes to
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metal vocal virtuoso. 
And yes, she does cater it to 

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metal towards the end of the 
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But learning how to sing 
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you're singing you, you've got 
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So her course, Yes, great for 
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great really for any vocalist. 
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Elizabeth is also a coach on 
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And if you're the type of 
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take it seriously, you can go to
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That's what those coaching 
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They're one time and you can you
know continuously book a coach 

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and you know get more out of 
what you what you did in vocal 

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virtuoso. 
So that's the whole point 

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because I mean it, let's let's 
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Everybody is different, right. 
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your own sound and metal vocal 
virtuoso was meant to be able to

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establish a foundation for 
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But for people who have a 
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that's going to require 
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coach. 
That's why we decided to have 

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Elizabeth as a coach on our 
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offer inch. 
They've been very, very vocal 

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about how it's helped them a lot
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She's a great teacher and she 
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bring out your particular voice.
Actually, fun fact too. 

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I mean on my own record, I I 
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before but because of metal 
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decided I was going to do that. 
So yeah it was it was a game 

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changer for me too. 
So it it it's it's it's got it's

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merit man. 
You've you've got all of you 

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have it in you to sing. 
If you if you're already a 

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vocalist I can I think I still 
think it's a great course to 

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take and to just enhanced you 
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On one quick note though guys, 
if if you take the course, I 

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recommend you take the course 
1st and then determine whether 

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you want to take that next step 
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But if you take the course to 
actually get a discount, code in

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the course for one-on-one. 
So just a yes on that. 

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So brother Ken, can we talk 
about the great Nick Z. 

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So by the way, this dude we're 
about to talk about his course, 

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he actually mastered the album, 
overcometh he. 

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His mastering skills took it to 
the next level on a level that I

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I could not have taken it to on 
my own. 

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I'll probably have him mix my 
future stuff. 

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I mix my own album this time 
around. 

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I was just kind of in a time 
crunch and and I kind of knew 

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what I wanted to do. 
But he in all honesty, if I'm 

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going to and I shouldn't say 
this, but I know he probably 

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could have done a better job had
I just handed it to him next 

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time, Nick. 
But anyway, he mastered the 

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album. 
I know you've worked with him 

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extensively over the years, but 
Nick Z has a course called Metal

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Producer Overlord. 
So Ken, what? 

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What all does that entail, dude?
Metal producer Overlord. 

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It's basically a run through of 
everything from the point of 

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post production in music. 
So in this case, what am I 

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saying? 
After the recording stage, which

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we we have plans of introducing 
the recording stage into 

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producer Overlord as well. 
So stay tuned for that kind of 

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stuff. 
But the current course as it 

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stands has four different types 
of examples that we can work 

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with. 
I believe you have like 

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progressive death metal, you've 
got symphonic metal, you've got 

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Hard Rock and then you've got 
some power metal. 

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So all of that put together is 
kind of just giving a variety of

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genres within metal to get the 
core concepts down. 

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And so that you can actually see
that going from one genre to 

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another in the metal community, 
there are slight differences, 

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but there you can see a 
similarity of certain concepts. 

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And that's what it was meant to 
illustrate, right, That at the 

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core foundation of mixing 
principles are always going to 

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stay the same. 
You know, there's always a, a, a

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sort of thing that that a 
universal thing about mixing and

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and sound, right. 
Because at the end of the day, 

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it's a physical thing, right? 
So if we're treating sound as a 

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physical thing and not so much 
as, oh, it's just always unique 

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to this one type of application.
Yeah, not really. 

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Right. 
So that's what we're trying to 

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demystify with metal producer 
Overlord and show you also 

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workload tips on how to be 
better at your efficiency so you

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can get things done better, 
faster, you know, and you know, 

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with more proficiency. 
So metal producer Overlord is 

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really important to a lot of 
people. 

447
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I think, especially for someone 
who decides that they want to 

448
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take the independent route, 
you're going to see how much 

449
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it's going to help elevate what 
you're already doing. 

450
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You might be doing things right,
and it might just mean that, oh 

451
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man, I never thought about 
working like this to help make 

452
00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:50,080
it work faster for me, right? 
And sometimes like even like an 

453
00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:52,200
experienced mixer like myself 
too. 

454
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I learned a couple things from 
Nick Z, and you could always 

455
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pick up like a golden nug here 
or there to help better your own

456
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workflow. 
It was a great experience, and 

457
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:06,480
Nick Z is so much fun. 
He's. 

458
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He's. 
A. 

459
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He's a no bull crap kind of guy.
So. 

460
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When you're watching, when 
you're watching Nick Z, he'll 

461
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just tell you, yeah, don't do 
this. 

462
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This is this is not what you I 
was like. 

463
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OK, I love his approach though. 
He doesn't dance around. 

464
00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:26,640
He's like just this is this is 
going to work better for you and

465
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I, you know I'll say this about 
all our instructors and us too 

466
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can you know, we we care about 
the result. 

467
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We care about your result and 
the value get out of it. 

468
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And you know, Nick especially, 
you know, you can tell he truly 

469
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cares about what he's doing. 
He wants you to do things easier

470
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and more efficiently and This is
why he doesn't he doesn't do the

471
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whole BS thing and skirt around 
stuff. 

472
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But I I love this style of of 
teaching and it's like you're in

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there going through the courses 
like you're sitting in behind 

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the console with him. 
You're like you're right there 

475
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with him. 
So it's it's really cool. 

476
00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:01,320
One thing I'll say about that 
course, Ken, is that, yeah, you 

477
00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:02,800
want to be able to mix your own 
stuff. 

478
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That's just going to help you in
the long run. 

479
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But for those of you who want to
take it to the next level, as we

480
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know, just being a musician 
doesn't pay a whole lot. 

481
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So you want to venture into 
other areas. 

482
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If you learn how to mix other 
people's stuff and master, 

483
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:20,720
because he has a bonus on 
mastering, you can actually make

484
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some change doing that guys. 
So that's, you know, there's a 

485
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multiple different reasons why I
would say consider going through

486
00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:32,640
Nick ZS course metal producer 
Overlord Ken. 

487
00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:37,520
I'd like to chat briefly about 
what I consider our flagship 

488
00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:39,920
course, man, and that is metal 
Songwriters forge. 

489
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:44,880
You and I put that together a 
while back and that's the course

490
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for songwriting guys. 
What I will say to that is that 

491
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we're not telling you how to 
write a song. 

492
00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:53,760
We're not saying, well, this is 
how you write a song, OK, 

493
00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:56,840
Because I've had people say, 
well, who who are you guys to 

494
00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:58,120
tell somebody how to write a 
song? 

495
00:26:58,120 --> 00:27:00,520
Well, let me stop you. 
We're not telling you how to 

496
00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:03,600
write a song so real quick. 
You know, Ken, you've got a 

497
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:08,560
somatic, cinematic, somatic, 
cinematic metal project. 

498
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:10,960
Homeric, you've already proven 
yourself. 

499
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:13,280
But you're about to reprove 
yourself again with this next 

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release coming out next year. 
Plus you've worked on so many 

501
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:20,000
records and with so many artists
and that sort of thing in your 

502
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:23,240
area, you work, you work closely
with with Michael Romeo and 

503
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:25,880
you've gotten some songwriting 
tips from him from Symphony X. 

504
00:27:26,360 --> 00:27:27,360
Yeah. 
Alice Skolnick. 

505
00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:30,640
I just released my fifth album. 
I've worked with many other 

506
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:32,560
artists. 
I'm not saying we're big shots, 

507
00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:33,600
guys. 
It's not where I'm going with 

508
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:35,480
this. 
But we're not just two dudes 

509
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:38,600
that like, hey, we just wrote 
our first song yesterday. 

510
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:41,160
Here's a course we've we've been
doing this for a while. 

511
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I I I do this for a living. 
You know what I mean? 

512
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:48,080
Ken Ken's a full time. 
You're you're your full time 

513
00:27:48,360 --> 00:27:51,520
income is revolved around music,
is revolved around what you do. 

514
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So you know, and again I'm not 
bragging, but we wanted to put 

515
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this together to help you guys 
with the workflow of songwriting

516
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and just give you some ideas, 
some different perspectives and 

517
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just some different ways to 
think about things you know. 

518
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:08,720
So hey, well, why don't I try 
this right? 

519
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:10,480
And we even show you how to 
expand on that. 

520
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That that course was is really 
special in near and dear to my 

521
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heart too, because that was 
something that Jason and I 

522
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collectively it came up with as 
a way to provide a lot of 

523
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inspiration for people who were 
trying to write their own music.

524
00:28:28,120 --> 00:28:32,360
One of the things that we did 
was we wrote You Are Your Master

525
00:28:32,360 --> 00:28:37,760
because we wanted to give the 
context of what are we doing 

526
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:42,280
when we write a song so that 
what can you take away and maybe

527
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:44,440
you can learn from and maybe 
that's something that you want 

528
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:48,400
to apply to your own music. 
Again, like Jason says, it's not

529
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:51,120
like we're telling you, OK, this
is the only way how you write a 

530
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:52,880
song. 
Bop, bop, bop, bop, right. 

531
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:55,280
You know it's not, it's not like
that We we act. 

532
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We do give what some, you know, 
typical song forms are. 

533
00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:03,360
But at the end of the day, when 
you're writing a song, I mean, 

534
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you're kind of tapping into your
own creativity to do that. 

535
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:10,480
So what we wanted to do was give
some some guidance as to, you 

536
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:13,920
know, whenever you stumble upon 
a roadblock or something like 

537
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:19,000
this, how can you get around 
that and continue moving forward

538
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:22,160
in your songwriting? 
OK, you're you're, you're stuck 

539
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:25,560
on the melody. 
Let's let's pivot and switch to 

540
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:29,160
riff face stuff or let's pivot 
and switch to the drums. 

541
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:33,880
Let's pivot and switch to 
lyrics, you know, and maybe this

542
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:37,480
is going to inspire something 
here and then you can start 

543
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:40,000
collaboratively like sort of 
building your song from that 

544
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too. 
I will say this too. 

545
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:46,080
There's a really cool part of 
metal producer Overlord that we 

546
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added in the more recent update,
something called the Cycles of 

547
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Inspiration that that Nick that 
Nick designed, which is, you 

548
00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:59,240
know, you you when you're 
programming something like 

549
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drums, that can help feed off of
maybe a riff that you were 

550
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writing and you can rewrite your
riff to new drums that you 

551
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:09,560
wrote. 
And then, you know, you might 

552
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:12,480
adjust the drums a little bit to
what you wrote with the new 

553
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riff. 
These sorts of things is what we

554
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call the cycles of inspiration. 
So it's a really, really cool 

555
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:19,960
part of it. 
And yeah, metal songwriters 

556
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Forge is kind of filled with a 
lot of that kind of stuff too. 

557
00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:27,800
So we really use metal 
songwriters Forge as like the 

558
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:32,960
heart of of metal mastermind, 
because really our entire 

559
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:38,040
mission is to get people to 
write more music, to write songs

560
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that are unique to them, less 
about, you know, trying to mimic

561
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:45,400
other people and all this kind 
of stuff. 

562
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:47,960
Although there is a place for 
that, right? 

563
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:50,280
You know, we all love a good 
tribute band every once in a 

564
00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:53,440
while. 
But when you have a original 

565
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:58,840
project, many people are daunted
by how much work and can be to 

566
00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:02,040
do something like that. 
So metal songwriters forge is 

567
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:06,080
kind of like, in a sense to me, 
it feels like the bonfire where 

568
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:09,320
I can always kind of come back 
and feel warm and just be like, 

569
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:13,440
OK, this is a core part of 
songwriting that maybe I want to

570
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:16,960
implement in my next piece. 
I need some inspiration. 

571
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:20,240
Let me come back to songwriters 
Forge and see what we did here 

572
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:23,120
that might help foster some new 
ideas here. 

573
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:27,520
We cover every aspect guys, when
it's not just a guitar course, 

574
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:30,160
you know, because I know a lot 
of metal, a lot of musicians we 

575
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:33,160
get are guitar players, but 
dude, we we cover drums. 

576
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:36,880
Like real drums, because Ken 
recorded real drums, you know, 

577
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:39,920
with a real drummer, Ken being 
that real drummer in a real 

578
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:43,480
studio. 
But we also share stuff on on 

579
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:47,840
program, John, so we share tips 
for for writing bass lines, you 

580
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:50,640
that you go through, 
orchestration, Ken vocals, 

581
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:54,200
lyrics, all that good stuff. 
So kind of want to move on to a 

582
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:57,800
course that I don't think many 
people know that we offer. 

583
00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:00,920
And it's the one you created a 
while back and it's one I've yet

584
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:03,680
to truly implement. 
But I'm looking at doing a whole

585
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:08,320
studio rebuild here in my tiny 
10 by 11 space next year. 

586
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:11,680
But you've got a metal studio 
designer. 

587
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:13,600
Tell us about that course. 
I don't think many people know 

588
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:16,800
we have that. 
Yeah, I mean this one's not as 

589
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:21,720
obvious of a course to many 
folks 'cause I think for most 

590
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:27,680
people, building a studio is not
really something that is in 

591
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:29,040
their budget. 
Quote UN quote. 

592
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:35,840
But actually what Metal Studio 
Designer was meant for is to 

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provide you a a a true 
understanding of how sound 

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works. 
Because if you are understanding

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sound on a principal level and 
you're you're you're you're 

596
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:52,240
you're adamant of like trying to
really, really take it to a 

597
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:53,880
physics level. 
Like that's what I do. 

598
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:55,400
I really take it to a physics 
level. 

599
00:32:57,280 --> 00:33:01,600
I do because this is actually 
quite literally like a college 

600
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course that I I designed, which 
I teach all these concepts to, 

601
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:09,520
to my own students at three 
different universities. 

602
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:13,360
So metal studio designer was 
meant to to give you the 

603
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:16,840
information on a physics level 
so that when you are going to 

604
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:19,360
build your own studio, which I 
also show you how to do, of 

605
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:21,080
course, I mean that's what it's 
about, right? 

606
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:26,400
So but I show you how to plan 
your budget, how to plan the 

607
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:33,480
type of gear, how to map it out 
layouts with the floor plan with

608
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:38,080
how much acoustic reverberation 
you want and calculating that. 

609
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:42,920
I show you a different examples 
of studios and and and 

610
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:45,200
ergonomics and layouts of how 
they're built. 

611
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:49,080
I've also, I even have a couple 
of student examples that you can

612
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:54,160
see of how you know people have 
taken my my course and have just

613
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:57,920
learned from it and built their 
own studios out of it or planned

614
00:33:57,920 --> 00:33:59,920
at least to build their own 
studios. 

615
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:02,800
And if anything, if it's not 
something that you have the 

616
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:05,360
money for right now, it's 
something that you can work 

617
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:08,320
towards, which is something that
people forget, right. 

618
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:11,040
Building a studio doesn't have 
to be all at once. 

619
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:16,000
It can be overtime. 
I'm I'm certainly always trying 

620
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:18,520
to add stuff to my studio every 
once in a while. 

621
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:21,199
And it gets better and better 
over time. 

622
00:34:21,199 --> 00:34:22,840
And, you know, people forget 
that. 

623
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:25,800
It's like, oh man, you know, if 
I show you a picture of my 

624
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:29,000
studio, some people would say, 
oh, Ken's lucky he's got the 

625
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:30,840
ability to do a studio. 
Yeah, but guess what? 

626
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:33,280
This is like 15 years in the 
making. 

627
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:38,880
It's not like I I built this all
in one day at one shot, you 

628
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:40,679
know? 
Two hours, man, and it's done. 

629
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:43,639
Yeah, no, exactly. 
People forget that. 

630
00:34:43,639 --> 00:34:47,040
So Metal Studio Designer is a is
a slow burn for a lot of folks, 

631
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:50,520
but it's there to give you the 
power to be able to do it on 

632
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:53,440
your own. 
And just honestly, you're 

633
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:56,840
speaking to a guy who's on the 
forefront of like doing 

634
00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:59,040
immersive audio. 
I've got Dolby Atmos in my 

635
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:03,360
studio now because I've taken 
this stuff seriously and I can 

636
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:08,640
be on the front lines of making 
music that no one's heard of or 

637
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:11,200
experienced, like or, which is 
really exciting. 

638
00:35:11,720 --> 00:35:16,600
So you know, and honestly in the
beginning for me like I was a 

639
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:21,800
technician like I was, I've 
already built 3 Dolby Atmos 

640
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:26,680
studios for for colleges and of 
course my own personal studio. 

641
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:31,200
So I'm already here at a point 
where it like I I've got some 

642
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:33,160
experience building some 
studios. 

643
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:37,800
I've been involved with all the 
technical aspects of routing 

644
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:40,600
analog consoles and all that 
kind of stuff. 

645
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:44,960
And you can do that too if you 
want to, but you don't have to. 

646
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:50,160
There are ways of a modern 
studio being very similar to the

647
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:54,360
quote UN quote horsepower of an 
old $1,000,000 studio. 

648
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:56,600
I mean, think about all the 
plugins we already have. 

649
00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:58,120
Geez. 
I mean, like it's crazy. 

650
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:03,400
So yeah, that. 
But you know, you might say to 

651
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:06,920
yourself like, well why? 
Why? 

652
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:10,560
You know, try to build something
like $1,000,000 studio? 

653
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:14,760
Because you know what? 
In the case of acoustics, I 

654
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:19,600
mean, you could have the best 
plugins in the world and all 

655
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:24,000
that stuff, but if you can't 
hear it right, you're always 

656
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:26,040
going to make the wrong 
decision, you know? 

657
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:28,280
And that's super good point, 
dude, man. 

658
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:30,120
That's, that's what it's about, 
you know? 

659
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:35,560
So it's about eliminating that 
variable of error and making 

660
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:38,400
your life a lot easier, more 
enjoyable. 

661
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:43,400
I mean, if you could listen in 
your studio and say, yeah, I 

662
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:46,520
know that that's an accurate 
sound and then you can make any 

663
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:49,520
change you want because you're 
hearing everything that you need

664
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:52,000
to hear. 
Like imagine how much power that

665
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:53,920
would give you in speeding up 
your workflow. 

666
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:57,520
Like it's just it's super 
important to have a good 

667
00:36:57,520 --> 00:36:59,680
sounding room. 
I would actually rather have a 

668
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:04,320
good sounding room with crappy 
monitors than really good 

669
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:09,000
speakers and a really bad room. 
That's a good point, dude. 

670
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:12,920
So I mean you know you could you
could get Studio Designer Metal 

671
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:16,960
studio Designer get set up or at
least if even it's a slow burn 

672
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:20,200
right even if you did 50% of it 
and like OK I'll I'll gradually 

673
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:24,840
build then take next course 
right studio metal producer 

674
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:28,920
Overlord then you're you've got 
the perfect storm for mixing and

675
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:31,200
mastering. 
So that's a great that's a great

676
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:34,320
addition there. 
The last course we have guys was

677
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:36,120
not the last course. 
We got more coming, we'll 

678
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:39,520
discuss that. 
But we've got Metal Base Master 

679
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:44,920
that is our most recent addition
to Metal Mastermind and that is 

680
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:46,640
dude. 
We've just gotten so much good 

681
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:49,240
feedback from that. 
It's it's been released for a 

682
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:54,160
little over a month now I think 
can and Rich Gray, yeah, he is 

683
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:56,000
the real deal. 
He's a professional bass player.

684
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:59,360
He's actually the basis for the 
metal band Annihilator and a 

685
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:04,440
band called Aeon Zen. 
He is also a producer and he's 

686
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:07,440
just really well, well respected
in the metal community. 

687
00:38:08,240 --> 00:38:10,880
I'll give you just a very quick 
story on How I Met him. 

688
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:12,440
I was. 
I'm good friends with the guys 

689
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:14,960
in Siren the fan. 
The metal band here was just 

690
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:18,120
hanging out with Doug, Doug Lee,
the vocalist, and Eddie Bourne, 

691
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:22,960
the drummer, and they let me 
hear their new album before it 

692
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:24,480
was released, A Mercenaries 
Fate. 

693
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:28,000
This was released back in 2022, 
so I got to hear all the raw 

694
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:31,200
tracks before we went into 
Morris Sounds studio and and did

695
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:34,160
the mixing and mastering, which 
that's a phenomenal studio, by 

696
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:37,520
the way, which then shows you 
how to build a version of that 

697
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:40,680
in your own home, regardless of 
the room size and in your 

698
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:43,440
course. 
But that's How I Met Rich. 

699
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:46,520
He recorded bass for that album.
They hired him because I was 

700
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:49,320
like, I was here in the bass. 
I'm like, holy crap, who's your 

701
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:51,400
bass player? 
Like, I, you know, 'cause like, 

702
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:52,720
well, we hired this guy named 
Rich Gray. 

703
00:38:52,720 --> 00:38:55,440
We just found him online and 
then come to find he's the. 

704
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:56,920
He's also the basis for an 
isolator. 

705
00:38:56,920 --> 00:39:00,000
And Zen, I'm like, man, please 
get me in touch with this guy. 

706
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:03,680
So Ken and I talked to him and 
like, man, if you'd, if you'd be

707
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:07,360
most gracious to do a course 
because our, our community would

708
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:10,760
absolutely love to sound like 
you and play like you. 

709
00:39:11,240 --> 00:39:15,600
So yeah, Metal Base Master is 
out there and I love Rich's 

710
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:18,840
presentation. 
He is just so organic at 

711
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:22,720
teaching and like all our 
instructors you know we we take 

712
00:39:22,720 --> 00:39:25,640
you through the baby steps 1st 
and you you may or may not need 

713
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:29,200
those but we we have it there 
because again if the foundation 

714
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:31,280
you know we talked about this 
the last podcast and if the 

715
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:34,240
foundation's not solid. 
If if the foundation's a little 

716
00:39:34,240 --> 00:39:36,440
Sandy, you can't really build on
top of that. 

717
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:38,440
So you always have to have that 
foundation. 

718
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:42,640
It's it's like weight training. 
You know no matter how how in 

719
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:45,520
shape you get or big you get or 
whatever you know you still need

720
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:47,440
your squats. 
You still need your your core 

721
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:49,360
lifts, right. 
You still need that foundation 

722
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:51,280
to always be solid. 
It's not like you build the 

723
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:53,200
foundation once and then you 
forget about it. 

724
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:56,920
So all our courses recover the 
basics first and it's good to 

725
00:39:56,920 --> 00:39:59,760
revisit you learn things by 
revisiting the basics but we 

726
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:03,760
also expand on them and Rich 
just does a phenomenal job it 

727
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:06,720
taking you from A-Z. 
He even goes through. 

728
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:11,800
His his metal based tone, which 
his tone dude, like Oh yeah, 

729
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:15,160
it's growling at you. 
It's like it's like, but it's so

730
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:17,240
smooth. 
It's like a smooth grout that 

731
00:40:17,240 --> 00:40:18,880
makes sense. 
I mean he shows you how to get 

732
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:21,400
different tones or whatever, but
I don't know, it's just I can't 

733
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:23,560
say enough great things about 
metal based Master. 

734
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:25,680
I'm really, really happy we have
that. 

735
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:29,560
So guys, all of our courses on 
our own metal mastermind.com. 

736
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:34,240
What's coming up next? 
So I've been promising you guys 

737
00:40:34,240 --> 00:40:37,480
a lead guitar course and it's 
going to be more along the lines

738
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:42,200
of two things, melodic lead 
guitar, like news specific for 

739
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:44,440
like melodic rock and metal 
because that's just the style. 

740
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:46,640
I'm I'm not a Blues player, I'm 
not a jazz player. 

741
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:48,720
Those styles are great, but 
that's, you know, we're all 

742
00:40:48,720 --> 00:40:52,400
about metal here. 
So this based on melodies, there

743
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:55,720
will be some shred and the 
course absolutely some shred 

744
00:40:55,720 --> 00:40:57,880
guitar in the course. 
But it's going to be a mix of 

745
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:01,320
that and melodies and really the
course is it's not going to be 

746
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:02,960
learn these skills or anything 
like that. 

747
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:06,440
It's going to be how to create 
your own guitar solos because 

748
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:08,200
that's what we encourage here. 
So that's coming out. 

749
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:13,360
Can you also have we we we've 
talked about you creating the 

750
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:17,120
Dolby Atmos course? 
Yeah, I mean that's on the 

751
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:21,080
forefront of immersive audio. 
So you can expect that Metal 

752
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:25,360
Mastermind will also be putting 
out how to approach immersive 

753
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:28,120
audio in in this, you know, day 
and age. 

754
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:32,480
I mean now, you know, it's kind 
of funny because we were talking

755
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:36,920
about Atmos a while ago. 
But you know, if you really 

756
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:42,360
think about it, this time is a 
very important time in audio 

757
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:47,800
history because nobody is 
really, I mean immersive or it 

758
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:50,760
just surrounds sound, never 
really has taken off in music, 

759
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:56,360
and now things are changing. 
And so we need to be able to set

760
00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:59,920
an example for future 
generations on what does it mean

761
00:41:59,920 --> 00:42:03,080
to create music in an immersive 
format. 

762
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:07,920
So Dolby Atmos is definitely, 
you know, going to be one of 

763
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:11,040
those formats that I think will 
be here for a long time. 

764
00:42:11,720 --> 00:42:15,200
So I'm I'm going to be making a 
course about that and how you 

765
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:18,680
should be thinking about 
creating an Atmos and I'm going 

766
00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:21,920
to go through all the different 
types of scenarios and you'll be

767
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:28,640
hearing my upcoming album which 
releases next year through that.

768
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:31,720
So it'll be it'll be a really, 
really fun way to learn 

769
00:42:31,720 --> 00:42:36,440
immersive and give you really 
some important insights about 

770
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:38,400
what's important when creating 
an immersive. 

771
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:44,400
That's awesome dude. 
Lastly, we are talking to some 

772
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:47,800
drummers because we would like a
metal, a metal drum course, a 

773
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:50,480
course on that and that of 
course it will you know start 

774
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:53,920
with the basics and such. 
But we're we're in the works on 

775
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:55,760
that. 
So that's all that. 

776
00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:58,560
I don't know if we can expect 
all that next year, Ken, but 

777
00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:02,360
we'll see, we'll see how this 
goes. 

778
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:06,040
So at least half of it will get 
out. 

779
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:08,840
We'll have like 1 1/2 courses, 
but who knows, we may be able 

780
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:10,120
to. 
You know, let me say something 

781
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:13,360
Jason, real quick because it's 
like you were just mentioning 

782
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:15,720
how oh it's harder to be a 
drummer. 

783
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:20,960
Well, here's a great example. 
It's so it's hard to, you know, 

784
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:24,760
creating a drum course is not 
easy because you know you're 

785
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:28,560
going to need all the 
microphones, all the set up, the

786
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:31,000
drums need to be in a good 
sounding room, right. 

787
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:34,840
Like it's it's not easy to 
create a drum course. 

788
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:38,600
So we're we're working at it 
though we're we're getting 

789
00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:40,080
there. 
We'll we'll hopefully build 

790
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:42,440
something by next year to do 
something like that. 

791
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:45,800
But yeah, we we are absolutely 
wanting to do something along 

792
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:47,920
those lines. 
Actually Jason, I wanted to ask 

793
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:54,120
you let's let's talk a little 
bit now in terms of the mission,

794
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:57,720
the entire mission of Metal 
Mastermind because we've just 

795
00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:00,640
highlighted all of our courses. 
But like why? 

796
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:01,840
Why are we doing what we're 
doing? 

797
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:05,400
Because like in in the case of 
you know where, where did metal 

798
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:10,200
Mastermind come from, right. 
Why are we focusing on the 

799
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:15,240
Indeed musician so prominently 
in in this, and why are we 

800
00:44:15,240 --> 00:44:18,400
seeking to be that resource? 
I'm I want to hear it a little 

801
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:20,480
bit from you and what your 
thoughts about that are. 

802
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:23,880
I mean for me it it, you know, I
could give you a long spill, but

803
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:27,560
for me it it's summed up into 
just one thing and that's we 

804
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:29,600
want to help you create your own
sound. 

805
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:35,600
What I found in musician, being 
a musician and just life in 

806
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:40,360
general is sometimes we get, we 
get caught up in trying to copy 

807
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:44,480
what's already been done. 
And me being 48 years old, I 

808
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:46,760
hate to put my age out there. 
Like, hey Jason, man, you're old

809
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:47,800
dude. 
You're like going to die 

810
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:50,040
tomorrow. 
That's kind of morbid, Like 

811
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:53,000
Morbid Angel. 
I'm full of jokes today, no, but

812
00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:55,760
me being at my age, I I run 
across a lot of people and I'm 

813
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:58,120
guilty of this as well as like 
well, the good old days of music

814
00:44:58,120 --> 00:44:59,320
are gone. 
And look, there was something 

815
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:02,240
very magical about I wasn't so 
much in the 70s, but I love the 

816
00:45:02,240 --> 00:45:05,360
80s. 
But you can't really recapture 

817
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:07,160
the past. 
And I was, I was having a 

818
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:10,880
conversation actually withdrew 
the drinking with Drew show that

819
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:13,480
is, I'm on sometime. 
And we're like, you know, we 

820
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:17,120
don't want to recreate the past.
We want to create what's what's 

821
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:19,880
you know, what's that next thing
for us, You know what I mean? 

822
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:22,240
And and even with modern music, 
you know, we see a lot of just 

823
00:45:22,240 --> 00:45:24,640
people copying. 
It's like, well, let me play the

824
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:26,560
same shred pattern. 
Let me play this and let me seem

825
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:30,040
like this person there. 
So we want to kind of break away

826
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:34,080
from that and have you just 
think outside of just what 

827
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:37,640
you're currently listening to or
think outside of what you think.

828
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:40,680
You need to sound like, you 
know, we get constant questions 

829
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:42,000
or I get constant questions all 
the time. 

830
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:45,280
Well, how'd you get that tone? 
And I I'm not a jerk about it, 

831
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:49,200
but I'm like, it doesn't matter 
how I got the tone, you know, 

832
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:51,600
because you may play through my 
tone and it might sound 

833
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:54,040
different because we have 
different styles, right? 

834
00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:57,920
I've had so many times people 
dial in this exact tone that I 

835
00:45:57,920 --> 00:45:59,240
gave them or they got from 
someone else. 

836
00:45:59,240 --> 00:46:01,440
Like I don't it in exactly. 
I'm playing with the same 

837
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:03,200
guitar, but it doesn't sound 
anything like that. 

838
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:08,160
Well, the style is different, 
guys, so I'm not against you 

839
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:11,000
learning other people's songs. 
I I I used to learn songs all 

840
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:15,440
the time, you know, growing up. 
And I also play cover songs. 

841
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:19,680
You guys know I play aside from 
metal, I play live acoustic solo

842
00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:21,520
shows. 
I play two to three live shows a

843
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:23,360
week. 
So new, you know the the 

844
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:26,120
wineries and breweries I play at
an event, I play at, they, you 

845
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:27,400
know, they want to hear cover 
songs. 

846
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:31,160
But here's a caveat. 
I play my own version of them. 

847
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:33,880
I don't go so far off the beaten
path where you can't recognize 

848
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:36,880
it, but I still have my own 
style, my own version of that 

849
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:39,160
song. 
And This is why I say, even if 

850
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:42,240
you learn, let's say you learn 
the latest Megadeth tune or or P

851
00:46:42,240 --> 00:46:43,640
cells or whatever, you learn, 
right? 

852
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:47,640
Why not expand on that? 
What if you added notes here? 

853
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:50,000
What if you played in a 
different key, right? 

854
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:52,880
What if you played it on frets? 
You're not used to playing on 

855
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:56,480
your guitar or bass or whatever.
Add your own flavor to that. 

856
00:46:56,600 --> 00:47:00,320
And this is how I believe you 
expand into your own musician. 

857
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:01,680
I always say this on my guitar 
channel. 

858
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:04,680
I'm like be your own guitar 
player and can I thank you and I

859
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:08,160
would say be be your own 
musician and that's the premises

860
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:10,320
of metal Mastermind. 
Can you talk about being an 

861
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:13,480
indie musician just now? 
An indie musician is is not a 

862
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:16,240
copycat of the latest and 
greatest band out there or a 

863
00:47:16,240 --> 00:47:17,920
band that was popular 40 years 
ago. 

864
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:20,600
Indie musician is all about 
creating what? 

865
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:24,840
Creating your own sound. 
So that's that's my my personal 

866
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:29,160
vision for metal mastermind. 
Yeah, you know, I I totally 

867
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:33,600
agree. 
That statement alone not copying

868
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:38,400
others and being your own sound 
is a very really late, very 

869
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:42,120
prominent like statement. 
And I want to just expand on 

870
00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:47,280
that and just also add that when
we started Metal Mastermind, we 

871
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:50,440
were trying to keep each other 
accountable first. 

872
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:56,360
That was our initial goal. 
We used to meet up on Zoom every

873
00:47:56,360 --> 00:48:00,640
two weeks or so and we would 
say, hey, you know, what are you

874
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:04,240
doing in your music and. 
Those are the days. 

875
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:07,920
Those were the days and we were 
just trying to be accountability

876
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:11,160
buddies. 
And we called our sessions a 

877
00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:14,400
metal mastermind. 
And when we started to create 

878
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:18,320
our YouTube channel, we kind of 
came to a point where we were 

879
00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:20,400
saying to each other, you know, 
like the stuff we're talking 

880
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:23,640
about probably could help other 
people and maybe we should just 

881
00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:26,400
make some content about this on 
the Internet. 

882
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:31,320
And we started to do that and we
started to notice that people 

883
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:35,640
were looking for content like 
this and a resource where they 

884
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:39,480
could learn from and you know, 
being educators. 

885
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:43,560
You know, Jason, you've been 
teaching people how to play 

886
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:45,400
guitar for many years on 
YouTube. 

887
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:48,960
And I've been an educator in 
universities. 

888
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:52,400
And we were just like, you know,
let's like marry the two types 

889
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:55,960
of education here. 
You know, nobody wants to just 

890
00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:58,800
stick to YouTube and just learn 
on YouTube. 

891
00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:02,760
And many people don't want to go
all the way into a university 

892
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:06,000
and learn all this stuff. 
So we wanted to say, you know, 

893
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:08,200
what's the best, the best of 
both worlds, right. 

894
00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:12,360
You can learn at your own pace 
at in a in a in a sequenced 

895
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:16,560
scheduled like sort of outline 
so you can keep yourself on 

896
00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:19,000
track which is the benefit of 
being at a university. 

897
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:24,520
But then you have the online 
accessibility and no not the 

898
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:28,280
amount of money that you'd pay 
for university with you online 

899
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:31,520
resources, especially if you 
were doing it from YouTube. 

900
00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:34,160
It was free, but we're doing at 
a very affordable cost. 

901
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:37,320
So, so you don't have to feel 
like it's so much that you got 

902
00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:41,640
to shell out and be a dead, you 
know, for so many years. 

903
00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:46,040
So that's where metal mastermind
kind of came and filled in a 

904
00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:51,560
little niche spot where we said,
you know what, this is special 

905
00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:57,240
because the modern metal 
musician, they need a specific 

906
00:49:57,240 --> 00:50:01,680
resource that they could always 
call home and that's what metal 

907
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:04,920
mastermind has become. 
It's become a network, a place, 

908
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:12,000
a hub for people that want to do
metal and do it in a way that's 

909
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:15,320
going to effectively give them 
results. 

910
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:20,440
And if you're not a part of our 
Discord, you should absolutely 

911
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:25,000
go to metalmastermind.com and 
click on our social media links 

912
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:29,280
and join our Discord page. 
You'll find Emily and Brydon, 

913
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:33,440
our moderators on that platform 
to be a really, really welcoming

914
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:36,040
host. 
And you can talk to so many of 

915
00:50:36,040 --> 00:50:39,440
our people and there's places 
where you can, you know, 

916
00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:43,720
establish collaborations or, you
know, we got, we share funny 

917
00:50:43,720 --> 00:50:46,040
memes. 
It's a it's a community of where

918
00:50:46,040 --> 00:50:49,880
we got a lot of really people 
who care about quality metal 

919
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:51,680
music. 
And you might find that, you 

920
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:55,840
know, there are some really cool
metal music that you never heard

921
00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:58,440
of before. 
So just go ahead and check it 

922
00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:02,480
out and become a part of our 
community if you're not already.

923
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:05,240
And for those of you who already
are, you know, we really thank 

924
00:51:05,240 --> 00:51:07,280
you. 
It's it's a pleasure to have you

925
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:08,960
and our team. 
Yeah guys. 

926
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:11,240
So when you do, do check that 
out and join the Discord and you

927
00:51:11,240 --> 00:51:14,120
know, go to metalmastermind.com.
Also click on courses. 

928
00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:16,360
Go back to our courses guys. 
And there might have been 

929
00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:18,440
something we mentioned today 
that you don't have and you're 

930
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:20,520
interested in. 
Well, hey, it's out there for 

931
00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:23,000
you to wrap things up. 
Ken and I usually like to end 

932
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:26,480
with a song of the week. 
Do you want to go first? 

933
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:29,120
You want me to go first, dude? 
Go ahead, you go first. 

934
00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:31,720
So I've actually Ken's looking 
this up. 

935
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:35,360
I forgot exactly what I was 
talking about. 

936
00:51:35,720 --> 00:51:39,560
Oh man, I actually have an album
that I want to highlight here. 

937
00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:43,480
So some of you may have heard, 
and actually this is not the 

938
00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:45,720
band I'm just giving you a 
little back story about about 

939
00:51:45,720 --> 00:51:48,720
the album and the artists here. 
Some of you may have heard of a 

940
00:51:48,720 --> 00:51:51,480
band called Primal Fear. 
They're a German. 

941
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:54,320
I don't want to say German power
metal band, more like a German, 

942
00:51:54,720 --> 00:51:58,920
just a German heavy metal band. 
Maybe a little bit of power and 

943
00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:01,920
progressive, but more melodic if
if that makes sense. 

944
00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:05,840
So their guitar player for 
Primal Fear. 

945
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:11,800
His name is Magnus Carlson and 
he has a solo album out released

946
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:15,440
this year, 2023, Magnus 
Carlson's Free Fall. 

947
00:52:16,040 --> 00:52:19,200
And the song I'm looking at 
right now is their first track 

948
00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:22,720
called Hunt the Flame, which is 
really, really cool. 

949
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:24,880
And that might be actually 
that's the name of the album as 

950
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:25,360
well. 
I'm sorry. 

951
00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:27,360
So that's the that's the album 
title track here. 

952
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:32,000
But again, the band is called 
Magnus Carlsen's Free Fall and 

953
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:35,240
the album is called Hunt the 
Flame and he's got different 

954
00:52:35,240 --> 00:52:37,160
vocalist on there. 
I just like his style of guitar 

955
00:52:37,160 --> 00:52:40,000
playing too, because he does 
shred. 

956
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:44,360
Yes, he's a fast player, but he 
also, he also puts plenty of 

957
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:46,920
melodies out there as well, 
which I I really appreciate 

958
00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:49,240
that. 
It's just a preference I get. 

959
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:50,760
I get tired of the constant 
shredding. 

960
00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:53,520
It's like I love shred, but it's
like, OK, we get it, you can 

961
00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:55,200
play fast. 
What else can you do? 

962
00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:57,360
Captivate me and he does just 
that. 

963
00:52:57,360 --> 00:52:59,800
And again, that's just a 
personal preference type thing. 

964
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:04,280
But yeah, Magnus Carlsen's free 
fall hunt, the flame. 

965
00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:05,240
Very. 
Cool. 

966
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:10,160
I'm going to take you guys back,
actually, to when I first found 

967
00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:16,040
Rich Gray. 
This is another band alongside. 

968
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:20,040
When I first discovered Aeon 
Zen, the band called Seventh 

969
00:53:20,040 --> 00:53:24,840
Wonder and their album here is 
called Mercy Falls. 

970
00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:28,200
Unbreakable is the song. 
It's very, very cool. 

971
00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:30,840
It's got like it actually. 
I think if I remember correctly,

972
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:35,960
it plays in a Phrygian mode, 
which is. 

973
00:53:36,280 --> 00:53:38,480
It sounds glorious. 
I love Phrygian. 

974
00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:43,840
And then as you're hearing it, 
it's got some time signature 

975
00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:45,960
changes. 
There's even a bass solo that I 

976
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:48,480
really love. 
So check it out. 

977
00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:52,560
Yeah, Seventh Wonder really, 
really melodic progressive metal

978
00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:55,840
type of tune. 
And you know, when I was in my 

979
00:53:55,840 --> 00:53:58,720
kick on progressive metal from, 
like Dream Theater and then of 

980
00:53:58,720 --> 00:54:02,760
course, Aeon Zen was part of 
that, This was a band that 

981
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:05,320
influenced me quite a bit too. 
So yeah. 

982
00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:09,000
Awesome man. 
I'll check that out guys. 

983
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:13,560
I hope you enjoyed this episode 
of metal mastermind Ken and I 

984
00:54:13,560 --> 00:54:15,960
truly appreciate you. 
Again, our goal is to help you 

985
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:19,840
create your own sound and and 
just be part of something that's

986
00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:22,200
that's cool. 
I mean, in layman's terms, we 

987
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:24,680
just want to be, you know, part 
of something that's cool. 

988
00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:28,200
Nothing too cooler than metal, 
right? 

989
00:54:28,520 --> 00:54:31,920
So guys, thank you once again 
until the next episode. 

990
00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:34,720
Guys, take care of yourselves 
and always create your own 

991
00:54:34,720 --> 00:54:35,160
sound.