1 00:00:07,040 --> 00:00:10,080 Guys and gals, welcome to another episode of Battle 2 00:00:10,280 --> 00:00:12,720 Mastermind. Co founder and your Co host 3 00:00:12,720 --> 00:00:15,000 here. Jason Stallworth also Co founder 4 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:21,320 with me and Co host The Great. Ken Candelas Here we are up to 5 00:00:21,360 --> 00:00:24,360 episode 70. Yes, this is episode 70. 6 00:00:24,360 --> 00:00:27,200 Man, that's crazy dude. Are we old yet? 7 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:30,040 Yeah, you know, we're just talking about age. 8 00:00:30,040 --> 00:00:32,000 We're not talking about age in the podcast, by the way. 9 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:35,240 But I was telling you, I was telling Ken guys that I'll be 50 10 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:37,200 next year. I mean, we're filming this in in 11 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:41,320 August 2024, so May 2025, I'll be 50. 12 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:43,840 So yeah, we're just kind of talking about that. 13 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:47,640 How Like man, that's like the halfway point or maybe not even. 14 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:51,920 So anyway, you can go down some dark and scary roads of that 15 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:53,600 one. Now we are going to talk about 16 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:57,640 something interesting today though that I mean this is cool. 17 00:00:57,640 --> 00:01:00,760 We're going to talk about the environment and no, that's not 18 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:05,760 that's not what you're thinking. The environment that is perfect 19 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:09,240 for you creating. Now, this could be music, 20 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:11,600 obviously, this could be, of course, now we're thinking about 21 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:13,680 our home studios where we go to create stuff. 22 00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:16,240 It could be art, it could be writing, could be anything. 23 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:19,240 You know, sometimes I like to write as well. 24 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:21,800 You know, Ken, you know, you and I both we write blog posts. 25 00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:25,680 You just finished an entire book you've been working on for home 26 00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:28,480 Eric for the new release coming out in in September here. 27 00:01:28,760 --> 00:01:31,400 That's going to have a book with it and everything you guys know. 28 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:34,760 I published my first book in 2017, heavy metal and weights. 29 00:01:35,600 --> 00:01:38,600 I'm, I'm going to be working on something new here pretty soon, 30 00:01:39,320 --> 00:01:43,440 but your environment for creation, Jen, you know, I want 31 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:45,720 you to tell the story that you started telling me before we 32 00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:49,040 click the record button here. You just got back from like a a 33 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:52,600 really epic place that is like the perfect environment for for 34 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:55,920 creation. Yeah, it's a place called 35 00:01:55,920 --> 00:01:58,760 Guilford Sound and it's in Vermont. 36 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:03,040 Guilford, Vermont. So very original. 37 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:06,960 So we, we took a, it's actually a retreat. 38 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:10,080 It's a studio and it's a retreat at the same time. 39 00:02:10,199 --> 00:02:15,840 So it's one of those things where you book your session for, 40 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:20,520 you know, however long, you know, a week or so, and you go 41 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:23,880 there and they have accommodations for you, for you 42 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:28,920 to, you know, sleep on the premises, wake up and just get 43 00:02:28,920 --> 00:02:32,440 to work. And I have never experienced 44 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:36,120 something like this before, not to this degree. 45 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:39,480 I've been in professional studios all over, but not to the 46 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:43,640 point where it's like, hey, let's stay here and be creative. 47 00:02:43,920 --> 00:02:48,160 Because I actually wasn't hired to be the engineer for this 48 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:50,720 record that was being made. I was hired to be the drummer. 49 00:02:51,440 --> 00:02:55,600 So it was nice because the engineers that I was working 50 00:02:55,600 --> 00:02:58,520 with, I was very familiar with, I have very good relations with 51 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:03,200 and they were just, you know, I, I could trust, right? 52 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:05,520 I didn't have to put my engineering cap. 53 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:09,320 I knew this was not my role this time. 54 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:12,000 I was just going to be the drummer, be the creative. 55 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:16,640 And that's a really because when it comes to, you know, working 56 00:03:16,640 --> 00:03:20,040 on a record, the last thing I want to do is put on multiple 57 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:24,600 hats at the same time. So it's just better workflow, 58 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:26,200 you know, get somebody else to record you. 59 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:29,640 And Jason, you've even done this with your own record, too. 60 00:03:29,640 --> 00:03:31,520 You were like, I'm not recording my own vocals. 61 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:33,040 I'm going to get Cliff to do it right. 62 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:35,440 Yeah, that that was a huge thing for me. 63 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:39,040 And and me, it goes back to environments like OK, And 64 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:43,040 there's some things about my small little 10 by 11 home 65 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:45,480 recording studio, you know, you can barely call it that. 66 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:48,520 But I mean, look, we all have an interface, we have our dolls. 67 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:53,840 I mean the recording quality you get with minimal gear is, I mean 68 00:03:54,320 --> 00:03:57,600 it's pristine, we all know that. I mean, even even the lesser of 69 00:03:57,600 --> 00:04:01,080 the interfaces, most affordable interface these days, you can 70 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:04,400 still get a very high quality recording that you could record 71 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:08,440 something and release. But the environment for, for not 72 00:04:08,440 --> 00:04:10,760 only creating but also performing as well. 73 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:12,560 Sometimes it might be a little different. 74 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:15,720 And in this case, yeah, I, I didn't want to record vocal 75 00:04:15,720 --> 00:04:19,480 tracks and then have to be also the person behind the the 76 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:21,360 console manning everything, you know. 77 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:23,680 Oh, I didn't like that one. Delete, go back, whatever. 78 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:25,920 So yeah. So again, you know, I guess 79 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:28,280 we're talking about both environment for, you know, 80 00:04:28,280 --> 00:04:30,520 creation and also performing as well. 81 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:35,600 Yeah, this was, this is interesting because the, the way 82 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:40,240 this turned around was my friend. 83 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:46,880 He was told he was given a tip about Guilford and he said, OK, 84 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:51,400 you were my who let me say my, my other friend, who is my 85 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:54,240 colleague, he's the 11 of the engineers. 86 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:57,600 He was the one who got the tip and that said Guilford was going 87 00:04:57,600 --> 00:05:02,200 to be available because somebody had already booked it, but they 88 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:07,160 they couldn't make the booking. So Guilford's what It was 89 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:10,400 already paid for. It was some big artist, but it 90 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:13,440 was, it was already paid for. And they just, they couldn't 91 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:17,120 make the accommodation. So it was open and it was paid 92 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:18,920 for. So the guys at Guilford are 93 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:21,960 friends with my friend. And they said, hey, you want to 94 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:25,120 come in and do something here? Nice dude. 95 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:30,040 And then the person who hired me to do the drums, he was the one 96 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:33,240 who who got that information. He said, yeah. 97 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:39,600 And my buddy who's the engineer said, Ken, you know, you would 98 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:42,640 be great for this band. You should play drums on this 99 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:44,560 and we're going to go to Guilford. 100 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:46,600 I said, OK, I've never been to Guilford. 101 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:48,720 But you know, you look at the website and you're just like, 102 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:52,520 holy crap, this is like Dream studio, this type of stuff. 103 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:57,840 They had, you know, an API legacy console and, you know, 104 00:05:58,080 --> 00:06:01,200 all the, all the microphones you could ever ask for from 105 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:07,080 $1,000,000 Studio. And this was so exciting. 106 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:11,600 So I, you know, and I actually, I got, I think the demos for 107 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:15,360 what I was going to play the night before we were leaving for 108 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:19,200 Vermont. So I'm like, OK, so we're just 109 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:23,960 going to have to rehearse this while we're there and then 110 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:25,440 we'll, you know, we'll nail the record. 111 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:28,000 So, and lo and behold, we actually did. 112 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:31,080 It was fantastic. It's one of those situations 113 00:06:31,080 --> 00:06:34,080 where it's really appreciative to play with people that know 114 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:37,920 what they're doing. And that's why it's also really 115 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:42,400 important that if you're a musician and you want to, you 116 00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:45,040 know, get to the level of professional musician, you're 117 00:06:45,160 --> 00:06:48,280 that you're also not just playing on your own, but you're 118 00:06:48,280 --> 00:06:51,960 playing with other people so that you are practicing the 119 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:54,680 nature of improvisation on the fly. 120 00:06:54,960 --> 00:06:57,840 Because that intuition, I can't tell you how much it helps you 121 00:06:57,840 --> 00:07:00,320 in the moments where you're just like, oh, crap, I got to learn 122 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:02,720 this song. But you can really kind of lean 123 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:05,440 in on your intuition and say, OK, this is how it's supposed to 124 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:08,920 feel, you know, And then your muscle memory starts to really 125 00:07:08,920 --> 00:07:11,560 kick in. And those are really good, you 126 00:07:11,560 --> 00:07:14,400 know, lessons. But lo and behold, we go to this 127 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:18,040 place and, you know, we've set up the first day. 128 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:21,800 And during that time, you know, while they're setting up the 129 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:24,640 microphones, perfect opportunity for me to rehearse with the 130 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:27,040 band. So we're just doing our thing. 131 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:31,480 And then at the end of the day, you know, we close out the 132 00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:33,480 session, We're like, OK, we're going to come back tomorrow. 133 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:34,920 Everybody's going to get some rest. 134 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:40,480 And our accommodations were in an old house from the 1700s, 135 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:43,880 like 1760s. So even before the United States 136 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:50,800 was the United States. So this house was still had all 137 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:54,360 the old hardware from then. So you know, you're like, 138 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:57,160 there's no door knobs. It's literally just like latched 139 00:07:57,160 --> 00:08:00,760 and open kind of thing. And you're walking through and 140 00:08:00,760 --> 00:08:03,160 you're just like, whoa, this is kind of nuts. 141 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:07,920 And it, it definitely sets the mood. 142 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:11,560 And, you know, you, you go to sleep. 143 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:15,520 It's so quiet because here in New York, where I'm from, it's 144 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:19,480 so noisy. And you realize, you realize how 145 00:08:19,480 --> 00:08:22,400 noisy it is in New York when you go to a place like Vermont. 146 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:26,160 And it's just dead quiet where I could literally just hear the 147 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:31,040 hearing damage I had. So yeah. 148 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:33,080 And then the next day you come in and you're just like, all 149 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:34,440 fresh. And it's like, you don't even 150 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:36,200 have to do any setup. You just go in and you start 151 00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:38,960 playing. And it's like, whoa, this is 152 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:41,280 what making music supposed to feel like. 153 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:46,040 No talk about talk about environment for for creation and 154 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:49,680 performing when everything is already set up. 155 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:52,880 You just walk in, it's done. You don't have to do anything. 156 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:54,520 There is something to be said for that. 157 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:58,720 Again, I want to kind of switch gears same page, but just a 158 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:02,080 little. Let's let's switch gears to just 159 00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:05,200 a typical home studio. Any home studio you guys have, 160 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:08,680 again, most everybody listening, you guys have a computer, you 161 00:09:08,680 --> 00:09:10,640 have a doll you can plug in and record. 162 00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:15,920 What are some things can do that people can do that everyone 163 00:09:15,920 --> 00:09:19,600 listening can do to make it as close to that as possible? 164 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:22,200 Like are there a few like, you know, three or five tips or 165 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:23,840 something like that that you want to give? 166 00:09:23,840 --> 00:09:26,160 I have some things to share as well, but to make it so that 167 00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:30,920 where you just sit down and you can start creating versus what I 168 00:09:30,920 --> 00:09:32,560 have to do this, I have to plug this in. 169 00:09:32,560 --> 00:09:35,280 I have to do that and all these 10 things you have to do first 170 00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:39,120 before you even get started, because sometimes that have to 171 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:42,040 do stuff before you start can just kill the mood. 172 00:09:42,640 --> 00:09:47,360 Yeah, it's very difficult because I feel like what's 173 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:51,120 special about doing something like Guilford is that you leave 174 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:54,800 what it is that you know, and you go into a place that's 175 00:09:54,800 --> 00:09:59,880 remote, that is an isolated area where you don't have contact to 176 00:09:59,880 --> 00:10:03,280 the outside world. We're at home, we very much have 177 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:05,400 contact. So it's just like at a moment's 178 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:08,920 notice, we can just be like, oh, got to take out the trash, you 179 00:10:08,920 --> 00:10:17,480 know, or anything, right? And that kind of environment by, 180 00:10:17,480 --> 00:10:22,360 I think default is something that kills creativity. 181 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:28,600 So working from home, and I think for a lot of people, even 182 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:31,920 through the pandemic, I think we realized that working from home 183 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:35,040 for a lot of things is an ideal because, for example, I'm a 184 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:38,960 teacher, right? Having to teach on Zoom was one 185 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:42,080 of the hardest things I had to do because I'm constantly 186 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:44,440 dealing with students who are getting distracted by family 187 00:10:44,440 --> 00:10:48,000 members or their dog or, you know, they got to do something, 188 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:51,240 they got to run an errand and, you know, they're on their phone 189 00:10:51,240 --> 00:10:53,320 and they can't really see what I'm talking about because the 190 00:10:53,320 --> 00:10:55,720 screen's so small, right? It's like all these things, 191 00:10:55,720 --> 00:10:57,520 right? Like working from home. 192 00:10:57,600 --> 00:11:00,720 We, we initially are like, well, this is, this is great. 193 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:04,160 I get to be on my couch with a laptop and I kick my feet up in 194 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:07,400 my boxers and I'm just, you know, doing my work. 195 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:09,200 But. I've been there. 196 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:12,480 Realize that, you know, working from home can be a very, very 197 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:15,280 big challenge because there's so many things at home that are at 198 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:18,960 our fingertips that we basically have ADHD and there's just like 199 00:11:19,640 --> 00:11:21,200 so many things we want to do at the same time. 200 00:11:22,640 --> 00:11:28,920 So I guess at home, to get as close to the experience of 201 00:11:29,040 --> 00:11:34,680 remoteness as possible, I think you have to one, completely 202 00:11:34,680 --> 00:11:41,960 block out the week and say I am not doing work on anything else. 203 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:44,480 Like you literally like you're not going to go to a job. 204 00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:48,560 You're going to, you know, make sure like you're isolated. 205 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:53,560 You might even say I'm going to unplug the Internet, turn off my 206 00:11:53,560 --> 00:11:56,200 phones. Whatever, not a bad idea at all 207 00:11:56,200 --> 00:11:58,440 man. Just completely unplug. 208 00:11:59,320 --> 00:12:01,520 It has to be like a super conscious decision. 209 00:12:01,520 --> 00:12:03,440 It's not going to be something that you can just like, you 210 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:08,920 know, chill out about and then get maybe a friend who's 211 00:12:08,920 --> 00:12:13,040 experienced who can help you and do some of those tasks with you 212 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:17,640 and just help record you. But the best way, and This is 213 00:12:17,640 --> 00:12:20,960 why where I always say like the reason why I don't focus on 214 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:24,560 recording at home, but I do mixing at home is for that 215 00:12:24,640 --> 00:12:28,880 simple reason that my home is not the best acoustically. 216 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:34,160 The quality of the recording that you're going to get here is 217 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:37,880 going to be, you know, even if I had great microphones, it's not 218 00:12:37,880 --> 00:12:40,520 going to be the same room. It's not going to be, you know, 219 00:12:40,520 --> 00:12:44,240 something like where you go to a real recording studio where they 220 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:47,800 have those high quality rooms and they're acoustically treated 221 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:49,920 and they sound great. And those are going to be with 222 00:12:49,920 --> 00:12:53,840 preserved on your record. It's worth paying that money to 223 00:12:53,840 --> 00:12:58,040 go and record, you know, and not having to buy the entire 224 00:12:58,040 --> 00:13:01,240 microphone locker for your home studio because it's like, why 225 00:13:01,240 --> 00:13:03,120 would you do that? You still have the wrong 226 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:04,680 environment to record in any way. 227 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:08,560 So go to a studio that's actually properly built and then 228 00:13:08,560 --> 00:13:11,880 you can, you know, mix at home. I tell all my students to focus 229 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:15,920 on like your monitoring and your listening environment for mixing 230 00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:18,600 up at home because that's what's going to be the thing that can 231 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:22,240 really help you. Realistically here recording, 232 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:25,240 unless you're just maybe a vocalist or you're just doing, 233 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:27,160 you know, like an acoustic guitar, you could probably get 234 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:28,920 away with that at home and it'll sound great. 235 00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:35,520 But like drums, that's just another level of unless you're 236 00:13:35,520 --> 00:13:40,120 lucky to have a very nice acoustic space for that at home, 237 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:42,960 that's going to be the most challenging. 238 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:47,200 And even then, you still have to deal with distractions, right? 239 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:49,840 So that's, that's my opinion on it. 240 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:54,040 I think there's a lot to be gained from this experience of 241 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:58,200 how to look at making music, which is, you know, like I said, 242 00:13:58,320 --> 00:14:02,560 how I thought music needs to be made and there's a lot of value 243 00:14:02,560 --> 00:14:03,400 in that. So. 244 00:14:04,400 --> 00:14:07,960 I'm so glad you brought up drums because as far as recording 245 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:11,800 goes, I would almost argue that if you're recording acoustic 246 00:14:11,800 --> 00:14:16,120 drums, which which I applaud any drummer this recording with 247 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:18,440 acoustic drums. And I'm not knocking people that 248 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:20,600 record with electronic drums. Look, there's a there's a time 249 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:23,160 and place for everything. And if you don't have the means 250 00:14:23,160 --> 00:14:26,400 to do something, then then do what you can with what you have. 251 00:14:26,400 --> 00:14:28,760 I'll say that. But I mean, if you want to go 252 00:14:28,760 --> 00:14:33,440 next level and ultimate level, dude, having Ken on the acoustic 253 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:35,600 drums, that's where where to where to be. 254 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:39,400 But I would argue that that might be the most important 255 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:43,240 instrument that you record that you have to have all this stuff 256 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:46,720 Ken that you're talking about. Look, vocals, would it be 257 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:49,880 perfect if I record even in my studio here, I've, I've got some 258 00:14:49,880 --> 00:14:52,720 sound barriers with, you know, with, with cloth and curtains 259 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:55,960 and that sort of thing, right? It wouldn't be horrible. 260 00:14:55,960 --> 00:14:58,840 And I mean, I've recorded vocals in here for masterpiece, you 261 00:14:58,840 --> 00:15:01,680 know, now I'm not, you know, I'm not some Sebastian Bach or 262 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:03,920 Céline Dion or whatever, right? It's metal. 263 00:15:03,920 --> 00:15:06,160 I'm OK. So it's a little rough and I'm 264 00:15:06,160 --> 00:15:07,840 not going to pretend I'm the best vocalist. 265 00:15:07,840 --> 00:15:12,800 You know, I, I do what I can with what I have again, but I 266 00:15:12,800 --> 00:15:14,560 would say drums are even more important than that. 267 00:15:14,960 --> 00:15:18,360 I I think what lacked in the earlier recordings in the early 268 00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:22,160 days was probably just that if you go back and listen to a lot 269 00:15:22,160 --> 00:15:26,040 of metal albums, testaments, I'm not picking on Testament because 270 00:15:26,040 --> 00:15:28,240 it's a great album, but practice what you preach. 271 00:15:29,040 --> 00:15:32,040 I would listen to that because I love the album so much, but the, 272 00:15:32,040 --> 00:15:36,160 the kick was like, you know, and you could hear it from afar. 273 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:37,720 I mean, I'd be asleep listening to it. 274 00:15:38,080 --> 00:15:40,760 And again, I can't take anything away from that album. 275 00:15:40,760 --> 00:15:42,560 I and I'm, I'm choosing that one over many. 276 00:15:42,560 --> 00:15:45,320 But if you go back and listen to old recordings, I think if 277 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:48,520 anything is lacking, it was maybe the, the bottom end 278 00:15:48,520 --> 00:15:51,360 overall. And of course the drums where 279 00:15:51,360 --> 00:15:55,560 now we know more about recording drums, mic techniques and that 280 00:15:55,560 --> 00:15:57,400 sort of thing. But yeah, it's, I think it's 281 00:15:57,880 --> 00:16:01,320 super important to know where your weak spots are. 282 00:16:01,320 --> 00:16:04,760 It's like, OK, I, I would never drag a drum set up here in my 10 283 00:16:04,760 --> 00:16:06,480 by 11 room and try to record drums. 284 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:08,200 That just wouldn't, wouldn't be ideal. 285 00:16:09,080 --> 00:16:13,400 And as far as creating the environment to perform, I think 286 00:16:13,400 --> 00:16:16,280 you know what I mentioned about recording vocals someone else's 287 00:16:16,280 --> 00:16:19,320 studio on my last album, Ken, what you mentioned about going 288 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:22,320 to this place and probably any other time, especially when you, 289 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:25,440 when you recorded in Kia studio, when you recorded for our song, 290 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:28,000 the Metal Mastermind song, you are your master. 291 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:30,600 You recorded drums. You weren't trying to, you 292 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:33,480 didn't have like a laptop beside you trying to man the dawn and 293 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:35,160 all that stuff while you're trying to record. 294 00:16:35,240 --> 00:16:38,760 No, you had another, you had a helper, someone to to manage all 295 00:16:38,760 --> 00:16:40,960 that. Yeah, it's really important to 296 00:16:40,960 --> 00:16:42,960 make friends in these situations. 297 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:47,760 Like even even despite the fact that, you know, we're moving in 298 00:16:47,760 --> 00:16:50,200 a direction where every artist is kind of doing their own 299 00:16:50,200 --> 00:16:57,040 thing, there's still a market for engineers studios. 300 00:16:57,600 --> 00:17:01,560 And, you know, the bedroom studio has its uses, but it's 301 00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:05,079 not the end all be all for everything, right? 302 00:17:05,119 --> 00:17:09,079 I think we forget that sometimes when we're recording, we're 303 00:17:09,079 --> 00:17:13,800 literally dealing with physics. So you can't, you know, just 304 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:17,960 unless you got like a black hole for, you know, reverb chambers 305 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:21,599 in your place where you can just make the entire drum set sound 306 00:17:21,599 --> 00:17:24,160 not like a room that it's being placed in. 307 00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:28,480 You have to, you have to still deal with that, right? 308 00:17:28,480 --> 00:17:34,440 So, and you know, I feel like a lot of the digital technology 309 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:40,560 that we have helps quite a bit, but it's also like if you have 310 00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:44,800 to go and do all that work to upend what you recorded because 311 00:17:44,800 --> 00:17:47,320 it was recorded in the wrong environment, wouldn't it have 312 00:17:47,320 --> 00:17:49,520 just been easier just to record it in the right environment in 313 00:17:49,520 --> 00:17:52,920 the 1st place and just spend the money because like now you're 314 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:57,800 just spending time undoing what shouldn't have been done. 315 00:17:58,360 --> 00:18:00,480 That's that's the thing that I think we forget about. 316 00:18:00,480 --> 00:18:03,320 It's like, Oh, yeah, well, I'll fix it in the mix is like the 317 00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:07,400 worst thing anybody could have ever made-up because that's not 318 00:18:07,400 --> 00:18:10,760 what mixing is supposed to be. Mixing is supposed to elevate 319 00:18:10,760 --> 00:18:13,320 what was already recorded. Mixing is supposed to be a 320 00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:15,920 breeze. You should be spending like six 321 00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:21,920 hours on a mix, not, you know, 60 days because you're like 322 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:24,120 thing is like reported so horribly. 323 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:26,800 You know, that's that's the the difference. 324 00:18:26,920 --> 00:18:30,480 You know, when you go to a real place with real engineers who 325 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:32,280 know what they're doing and you're spending the money and 326 00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:33,960 it's like, yeah, well, guess what? 327 00:18:34,200 --> 00:18:40,160 That's an investment. That's why the studios of that 328 00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:43,160 were, you know, recording all these record label projects. 329 00:18:43,440 --> 00:18:47,800 The record labels would shell out $150,000 of dough into a 330 00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:51,880 record because that's what it took to make the best that they 331 00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:54,560 could make it be. Because at the end of the day, 332 00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:58,080 you're going to be living with that for the rest of your life, 333 00:18:58,320 --> 00:19:00,880 right? So if it's something you care 334 00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:04,520 about, do it up right, Spend the money. 335 00:19:04,520 --> 00:19:08,600 I know it's hard. I know it's like, oh, man, I got 336 00:19:08,600 --> 00:19:12,280 to, you know, spend $3000 for this studio today. 337 00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:17,320 And it's like, yeah, well, do you want great drums or do you 338 00:19:17,320 --> 00:19:20,760 want subpar drums? That the moment somebody hits 339 00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:22,720 your record and they listen to it, they're just going to be 340 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:26,840 like, because that's what's going to happen subconsciously, 341 00:19:27,080 --> 00:19:30,200 whether you realize it or not. If it doesn't have great 342 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:34,040 production value, people immediately tune out because 343 00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:37,520 they're so used to hearing the great stuff and that's what they 344 00:19:37,520 --> 00:19:41,240 want. You know, the performance always 345 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:45,200 comes first, but that production value comes right after. 346 00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:50,400 And people sometimes won't even last long enough to hear the 347 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:53,960 great performance that you had just because the moment they 348 00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:55,840 turn it on, it's like looking at the cover of a book. 349 00:19:56,720 --> 00:19:59,560 They'll they'll walk away and go to the next thing because it 350 00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:01,560 sounds like crap. That's huge. 351 00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:03,880 What you just brought up the cover of a book. 352 00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:06,600 I have a good friend of mine. His name is Dale. 353 00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:09,160 He he runs self-publishing with Dale. 354 00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:12,360 It's a YouTube channel. And I, when I was going to 355 00:20:12,360 --> 00:20:17,200 publish my first book in 2017, I was, you know, watching videos 356 00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:18,680 about that. And I ran across him. 357 00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:20,480 I commented and he saw I play guitar. 358 00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:22,560 He plays guitar too. So, you know, we became great 359 00:20:22,560 --> 00:20:24,560 friends after that, a great dude. 360 00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:28,200 But yeah, he, he talks about the covers of your book. 361 00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:32,400 It's great if you have an awesome book, but if you can't 362 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:36,280 get people to to be attracted to that, if you can't captivate 363 00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:39,280 someone and capture their attention, it's almost like 364 00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:41,760 YouTube, same thing. Can we, we could make a 365 00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:44,920 phenomenal video, but if the thumbnail, you know, it's 366 00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:47,280 arguably that's the number one thing, the thumbnail may be the 367 00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:49,680 title as well. With thumbnail, if that's not 368 00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:53,240 engaging folks, they don't care. So same, same with production. 369 00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:56,640 If the production is not good, you know, we, I think, I think 370 00:20:56,640 --> 00:20:59,640 the YouTube or maybe it's social media, Facebook metrics, the 371 00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:04,080 meta metrics, there's actually a metric for three seconds. 372 00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:07,680 Like people, this many people watched your video or this 373 00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:10,320 percentage watch your video at least for three seconds. 374 00:21:10,360 --> 00:21:14,680 And you're like, really our, our attention spans is that far gone 375 00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:16,800 that we can only last. But people were scrolling, 376 00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:19,000 right? To your point, if they don't 377 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:22,000 like what they're seeing or hearing, they scroll to the next 378 00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:25,400 with with streaming these days, if they if they don't like the 379 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:28,760 first, you know, first few seconds or at least the 380 00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:31,720 production value, if the production value is is just not 381 00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:33,160 there, then they go to the next song. 382 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:37,040 Right, right. And this actually comes to a 383 00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:42,240 point where I was watching a YouTube by then, I think the 384 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:46,560 name of Damien Keyes, marketer. Marketer, right? 385 00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:49,680 He's he's been doing music business for a long time and he 386 00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:54,360 has this argument of saying how how music videos are not 387 00:21:54,360 --> 00:21:56,720 relevant anymore. I've heard that I watched the 388 00:21:56,720 --> 00:21:59,440 same video you watched just last week, but go ahead, yeah. 389 00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:03,400 And yeah, so I had some some mixed feelings about it. 390 00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:07,160 So the first thing that I understand his point is to say, 391 00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:11,760 well, why spend all this money and time on a on a music video 392 00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:15,720 when you know people's attention spans are only like 3 seconds, 393 00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:19,320 right? Just make Tik Toks and make good 394 00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:22,560 Tik Toks and whatever, etcetera. And it's a lot on TikTok. 395 00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:28,560 But I, I looked at music videos and maybe this is just like 396 00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:34,040 millennial and, or, and older who think about this stuff. 397 00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:41,160 But when we grew up with the NTV era, yes, to me, music videos 398 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:43,680 were another form of art expression. 399 00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:49,760 And I always looked at that as a complete idea of what the artist 400 00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:54,000 was envisioning in a visual sense, not just their music, 401 00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:57,760 right? And my thoughts were, well, OK, 402 00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:01,800 that may be true that people have very short attention spans. 403 00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:05,360 But if that's the case, you could always repurpose the music 404 00:23:05,360 --> 00:23:08,040 video. You could always, you know, chop 405 00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:11,480 up the chorus and use that as a TikTok splice or whatever. 406 00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:16,160 But if you wanted to create art in the 1st place, I think music 407 00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:17,680 videos still have their place there. 408 00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:22,720 So it's, it's something that I was just a little bit bothered 409 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:25,960 about, but it's like, I get it. I I understand where Damien was 410 00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:28,680 coming from, but I don't know. What do you think about that? 411 00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:36,040 I, I am 100% with you and I'm 100% against not making a music 412 00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:37,360 video. I'm not saying make one for 413 00:23:37,360 --> 00:23:38,960 every song 'cause that gets pricey. 414 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:42,720 But you know, can even, even lyric videos that you and I have 415 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:44,320 put up. I've got lyric videos on my 416 00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:46,880 YouTube channel. And do they get a ton of views? 417 00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:50,400 No, but they're out there and the people that have watched 418 00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:53,920 them have, have left me some just some lovely comments and, 419 00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:56,480 and they'll sit there and watch it and just listen to it. 420 00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:58,720 And that's just a lyric video. That's what with nothing, that's 421 00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:01,440 just the album cover. You know, Ellie, you're I say 422 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:04,200 your your fiance, but your wife now you know, she did the 423 00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:08,080 artwork for my last two albums, which is big shout out to Ellie, 424 00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:12,880 Ellie Elizabeth the day is she's also our vocal coach on metal 425 00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:16,000 mastermind quick plug guy. So metal mastermind.com. 426 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:19,560 You can find Ellie's course, metal vocal virtuoso real quick 427 00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:21,440 Ken, we're talking about studio build. 428 00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:27,960 You have an entire course, like college level course because you 429 00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:31,440 are a professor on the science of sound and how to build out 430 00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:33,440 your studio called metal studio designer. 431 00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:36,080 So head over to metalmastermind.com guys and 432 00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:39,000 check out all of the courses and resources we have for you there. 433 00:24:39,360 --> 00:24:43,160 But back to the music video. Yeah, I, I watched the same 434 00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:45,000 video you did. I just thought about a week ago 435 00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:48,000 and yeah, I, I kind of maybe the data does show. 436 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:50,880 I mean, data doesn't lie, right? I mean, if, if your metrics say 437 00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:53,440 that X amount of people watch this much of the video. 438 00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:58,040 And here's my thing, Ken, is if you can't sit through more than 439 00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:01,400 three seconds of my video and, and it's a good production, it's 440 00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:04,640 a good quality, it's a good song, then I don't know that 441 00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:07,880 you're the right person for me. I don't know that you're the 442 00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:11,240 right audience for me. So I'll say that I, I think this 443 00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:15,680 whole thing with, with short attention spans now, I think a 444 00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:18,680 lot of that has to do with, with our nutrition and exercise and 445 00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:20,280 that sort of thing. We're not going to go down that 446 00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:22,160 road. That's a completely different 447 00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:28,120 discussion, but I think we have a lot more control over over our 448 00:25:28,120 --> 00:25:30,680 attention span than people think. 449 00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:36,840 With that said, I would rather pull somebody in that's already 450 00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:40,840 looking for what I have. Home Eric, your album can your 451 00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:42,920 your project here your whole world, right? 452 00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:45,440 Because Home Eric is, is an entire world on its own. 453 00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:50,000 So you created that and you're not even going after people with 454 00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:51,800 with your music, right? You're not saying, Hey, come 455 00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:53,800 listen to my stuff. That's not what it's about. 456 00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:57,000 What you've done is you've created something and the 457 00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:59,720 production quality is there and more so right, like and then 458 00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:02,040 some, your production, your videos, everything is pristine, 459 00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:06,080 but you've created something that someone out there or many 460 00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:08,720 people out there, they're itching to find something like 461 00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:10,280 this. And when they stumble upon you, 462 00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:13,920 those hardcore fans, they're going to watch your music video. 463 00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:16,720 And those are the type of people that you want coming into your 464 00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:19,040 world. I don't necessarily want, I 465 00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:21,000 don't necessarily want people that's just going to watch a few 466 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:23,320 seconds and move on to the next. And I'll, I'll tell you 467 00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:26,080 something else real quick that I heard today by Pat Flynn 468 00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:28,080 another. You know, Ken and I, we, we're, 469 00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:29,440 we're, we own our own business here. 470 00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:32,760 So we're marketers too. So we had to keep up on the 471 00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:35,920 marketing world. But, you know, Pat Flynn was 472 00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:40,920 talking, he was talking about, you know, getting the right type 473 00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:44,840 of people into your world. And he talked about how going 474 00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:47,240 viral is definitely not something that you should go 475 00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:49,040 after you. You mentioned that a lot of 476 00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:52,040 people or some people, they'll have one video or something just 477 00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:54,640 goes viral. And going viral means you're 478 00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:57,560 attracting all different types of people. 479 00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:00,720 But these folks have a hard time selling a product. 480 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:03,920 They have a hard time capitalizing that and gaining 481 00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:05,360 off of that. It's just, OK. 482 00:27:05,360 --> 00:27:09,240 My video got millions of views. What now those people, because 483 00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:13,160 they're so spread out and there's no niche, then well, 484 00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:15,320 they're not going to buy anything from you, right? 485 00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:18,080 Or, or your your sales, whether it's music sales or you're 486 00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:20,280 trying to sell a product or whatever, it's going to be very 487 00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:22,640 low because you don't really have a core audience with that 488 00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:25,960 with viral. So let that be a lesson to to 489 00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:30,320 all of us, all of you listening right now, going viral is really 490 00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:31,800 I don't know that that should be the goal. 491 00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:33,400 It's not mine. It's not, it's not Metal 492 00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:36,280 Masterminds. You know, we don't have a ton of 493 00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:40,200 views on any of her videos, but for the comments that we get on 494 00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:42,480 her videos can. I know they're helping folks and 495 00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:44,400 that's what we care about more than anything. 496 00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:48,040 So you want to pull the right type of people, which is going 497 00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:51,960 to be a condensed audience, not trying to appeal so much to the 498 00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:54,600 masses. Yeah, it's not, it's not as 499 00:27:54,600 --> 00:28:00,320 sexy, but it's the it's honestly the real truth. 500 00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:03,600 Honestly, you should be very careful about going viral 501 00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:08,680 because if you go viral for the wrong thing, then you've just, 502 00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:12,880 you know, made the algorithm pump and now it's going to 503 00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:17,080 deflate immediately because what you're really about is what 504 00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:20,080 people didn't want to see, you know? 505 00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:26,680 So that's really scary. I'm much more of a fan of, and 506 00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:31,640 we've learned this with Leah McHenry, which is to build your 507 00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:36,600 own castle. And for the longest of time, you 508 00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:40,360 know, you know, you don't go out, you know, looking to get 509 00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:43,440 struck by lightning. You know, if lightning strikes, 510 00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:45,360 you just have to be prepared for it. 511 00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:50,240 But we're not, we're not trying to fly a kite in the middle of a 512 00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:53,520 of a of a thunderstorm, right? You have to build the 513 00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:56,560 infrastructure, right? That's where you got lightning 514 00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:59,840 rods on, on skyscrapers, right? But do you have to build a 515 00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:03,880 skyscraper first? So those kinds of things I I 516 00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:06,280 think is really also important to remember where you're just 517 00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:09,280 viral. Virality can be a good thing, 518 00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:14,200 but it can also be a bad thing. You have to make sure that you 519 00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:19,040 totally understand what your music is about, what you stand 520 00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:21,960 for, your whole brand, that whole kind of thing that still 521 00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:26,040 applies. And your knowledge of how you do 522 00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:31,480 everything and how you communicate authentically with 523 00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:35,120 confidence and all those things take a lot of time. 524 00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:40,760 And you know, a lot of people who are learning about music, 525 00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:43,600 they're relatively young for, for the most part. 526 00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:46,120 I mean, we have people, of course, that are lifelong 527 00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:48,400 learners and they're still trying to do this stuff. 528 00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:51,400 But you know, a lot of my students, for example, are very 529 00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:53,560 young. They either just came out of 530 00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:56,200 high school or, you know, they're in their mid 20s, some 531 00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:58,160 of them in their early 30s like I am. 532 00:29:58,440 --> 00:29:59,920 But some of them even forget that. 533 00:29:59,920 --> 00:30:02,240 It's like, hey, this is like a lifelong journey. 534 00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:08,320 And you're in an era now of the music industry where you are not 535 00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:13,440 trying to really get on a record label because the record label 536 00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:17,520 is not going to really help you. Even if you get signed, that's 537 00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:20,560 not a guarantee that they'll even focus on you because 538 00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:22,160 they're going to focus on the people that are bringing in 539 00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:24,720 money. And then if they have leftover 540 00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:27,480 funds from that, then they'll try and help you out. 541 00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:29,960 But then even still, then you still got to pull your own 542 00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:34,040 weight. So it's not necessarily a good 543 00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:37,680 thing if you're an undiscovered artist who doesn't have anything 544 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:39,680 and you're asking a label for money. 545 00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:44,080 So you have to do the work. You just have to, that's if you 546 00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:47,920 want to do this as a, as a career, you know, if you're a 547 00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:50,200 hobbyist, that's one thing. But if you're, if you're career 548 00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:53,280 motivated to do this, you have to build it. 549 00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:58,760 And that's going to take time. So those indie artists who are 550 00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:03,160 successful, a lot of them have been working on this ten or more 551 00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:08,000 years, just working on what is their identity, their brand. 552 00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:11,440 The of course, focusing on the music, trying to get quality 553 00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:14,120 recordings out of that, you know, maybe going to a place 554 00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:18,240 like Gilbert or something and then doing all of this marketing 555 00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:21,840 research to try and help promote their stuff. 556 00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:23,280 Because that's another end of it, right? 557 00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:25,480 You could be all this other stuff, but then if you just 558 00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:29,200 don't know how to market this thing, that's going to also lead 559 00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:33,080 you to disappointment or worse, ruin if if anything. 560 00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:39,800 So that is a huge perspective shift that I think a lot of 561 00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:43,960 people have to adopt. Some people are aware of it or 562 00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:47,240 they just don't want to do it. And that's fine, you know, 563 00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:51,600 because it's like, if, if this is not for you, let yourself be 564 00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:55,760 honest with that. I have, I have told people that, 565 00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:59,040 you know, it's like, listen, you, you claim you want to be an 566 00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:01,920 artist, but I don't know if you think you want all the things 567 00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:03,600 that come along with being an artist. 568 00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:06,880 It's like you have to do this because you can't see yourself 569 00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:09,920 doing anything else. Because if you have thought 570 00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:13,680 about doing the music industry as a way of earning money, you 571 00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:18,280 are in for a world of hurt 'cause there's a lot of money up 572 00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:24,320 front that you may not see come back to you, you know? 573 00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:28,800 But if you're just like me or Jason, who are just like, well, 574 00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:33,280 we do this anyway because honestly, it's Our Calling, then 575 00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:38,760 there's a chance for you, right? So that's, that's, that's huge, 576 00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:40,760 man, because that, that kind of thing. 577 00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:44,560 It's it's like it's the hard pill to swallow. 578 00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:47,720 It is, it is. And you know, you could have the 579 00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:50,520 greatest song too, Ken, like we talked about earlier, you can 580 00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:53,520 have the greatest song, greatest video, but it, but if the, the, 581 00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:56,360 the cover's not great, if it's not attracting people. 582 00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:59,400 And I will say, even if you have production quality, let's say 583 00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:01,080 you, you do all the right things. 584 00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:04,160 You go to a studio and everything's done pristine, the 585 00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:07,160 production's right. And then you just put it out 586 00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:10,480 there like, hey, I just dropped my new song and crickets. 587 00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:13,040 No one listens. Probably has nothing to do with 588 00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:15,520 your song. It has to do with, with what Ken 589 00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:17,800 just talked about. And that's also knowing the 590 00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:20,440 business side of it, the marketing side of it. 591 00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:24,280 And there are, there are a ton of resources out there. 592 00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:27,040 You, you guys, most of you know, if you've been listening to Ken 593 00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:30,360 and I for a while now, or if you're part of Metal Mastermind, 594 00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:32,840 you know, Ken and I started this company. 595 00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:35,840 Metal Mastermind is, is a legit, you know, it's a legit business. 596 00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:40,560 We started this because we met in a marketing course by Leah 597 00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:43,480 McHenry, the Elite Savvy Musician Academy. 598 00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:45,160 We were the first generation elite students. 599 00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:47,440 I guess this is probably like almost five years ago or so. 600 00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:51,000 It can make me longer than that. And we yeah, 2016. 601 00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:54,120 Wow, dude, wow. And we've been, we've been 602 00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:56,320 building this for for quite some time. 603 00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:57,800 You know, it's just been a slow growth. 604 00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:02,280 But but every step we've taken, I I think we've built something 605 00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:04,640 really solid here. You know, I'm, I'm very proud 606 00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:08,040 of, I'm proud to tell people what I do for a living. 607 00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:11,600 When I meet people, when they ask me what I do yeah, I'm a 608 00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:13,199 musician. I have my music and all that 609 00:34:13,199 --> 00:34:14,920 good stuff. That's that's a big part of it. 610 00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:20,000 But but I'm also the Co founder of of this really cool community 611 00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:22,239 and education platform for metal musicians. 612 00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:24,520 And they're like metal musicians, you know, so it's, 613 00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:26,480 it's just a cool thing to say. I'm very proud. 614 00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:29,679 I've never been proud to say, well, I work for this company or 615 00:34:29,679 --> 00:34:31,400 that company. I'm just, you know, I'm like, 616 00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:34,159 can we just not talk about that? But now I'm very proud to say 617 00:34:34,159 --> 00:34:38,560 what I do for a living. But you know, you do, you do 618 00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:44,440 need to A learn how to market or, or B, have the money to, to 619 00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:46,159 pay somebody that knows how to market. 620 00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:50,639 And there are resources out there like like savvy musician 621 00:34:50,639 --> 00:34:53,400 Academy. You know, Liam Mchenry's course 622 00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:55,800 is great. You know, we've been looking at 623 00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:57,400 Andrew Southworth. He's great. 624 00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:00,240 You can look him up on YouTube. You know, so there are a lot of, 625 00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:02,280 a lot of great resources out there. 626 00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:05,160 I would say don't pick. I would say just pick one 627 00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:08,160 because you might get conflicting information and then 628 00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:11,960 you, you get, you know, what paralysis via over analysis type 629 00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:14,920 of thing going on. But there are companies also 630 00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:17,040 that you can, you know, can you do a mix of both? 631 00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:21,600 You know, you, you've hired also a company that got you on metal 632 00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:25,320 injection and metal sucks. So you went that route as well. 633 00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:28,120 And you're also you're also marketing your own music. 634 00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:30,560 So you're hitting it from from different angles there. 635 00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:34,240 So I think if, if you do something you really want to do, 636 00:35:34,720 --> 00:35:37,280 then just start, just start exploring those routes. 637 00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:40,320 You know, it's, it's a, it's a really cool and really beautiful 638 00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:43,160 thing. And I would also say this, I 639 00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:46,960 know a lot of musicians don't want to be on social and, and 640 00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:49,040 YouTube and that sort of thing, But I would encourage you, you 641 00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:52,560 don't have to be on everything, but pick one platform. 642 00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:54,720 I'm, I'm going to say YouTube. I think. 643 00:35:54,720 --> 00:35:56,200 Can you, you agree with me on that? 644 00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:59,240 Because it just allows you to get more reach. 645 00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:03,560 And to me, people that are going through social media, whether it 646 00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:06,480 be TikTok and scram, whatever, they're on there because they're 647 00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:07,560 bored. So they're scrolling. 648 00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:09,560 They have nothing better to do and they're just in the scroll 649 00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:12,040 zone. When you think about YouTube, 650 00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:16,400 you go there to learn something. You're usually typing in how to 651 00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:18,720 fix my washing machine. That's a real search I did a 652 00:36:18,720 --> 00:36:21,200 long time ago and I was able to fix my washing machine probably 653 00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:25,440 save me 300 bucks. So that's my my point though, 654 00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:28,120 And now people search for, you know, how to play power cords or 655 00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:29,720 whatever, you know, and my videos pop up. 656 00:36:29,720 --> 00:36:34,760 So when you get my, my point to everyone is when you give value 657 00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:38,480 and then people will be more drawn to you and they'll they'll 658 00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:41,080 be more interested in what you have. 659 00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:44,760 I've done my best to give a ton of value on YouTube for guitar 660 00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:47,360 and that sort of thing. And before I had courses 661 00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:50,360 available, I had people saying, I want to send you something. 662 00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:52,960 I need to send you money. Like you helped me so much in 663 00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:55,680 this video. And guys, I'm not Tooting my own 664 00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:57,400 horn. This is just this is from the 665 00:36:57,400 --> 00:36:59,080 comments. You know, we've had that on 666 00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:02,080 Metal Mastermind. You know, the video's there 667 00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:04,400 actually someone, someone asked if we could adopt them. 668 00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:07,400 So yeah, that's one of the comments on one of our videos. 669 00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:11,880 But in any case, you know, I, I say that to say this, that as 670 00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:14,360 long as you're given value, you're giving people value. 671 00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:17,720 It's much easier to build your audience that way and pull 672 00:37:17,720 --> 00:37:20,760 people in and then say, OK, well, hey, here's here's what I 673 00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:22,880 just created. And they're more apt to, you 674 00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:24,000 know, they're already in your world. 675 00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:25,520 You've already you've already hooked them, right? 676 00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:30,840 Absolutely, absolutely. It's it's a unique path for 677 00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:34,880 everybody to, you know, I think if you're, if you haven't 678 00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:37,640 marketed your music to the degree of what we're talking 679 00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:43,760 about, I do recommend buying a course, learning a little bit 680 00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:47,280 about what it takes, you know, whether that's savvy or Andrew 681 00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:50,600 Southworth or in the future, if we ever do, you know, something 682 00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:52,080 like that. Similar on metal Mastermind, 683 00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:57,040 which is probable. There is definitely something 684 00:37:57,040 --> 00:38:01,200 that can be gained from just trying to expand your pool of 685 00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:03,640 knowledge and seeing and experimenting with that 686 00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:08,960 information, just understanding the fact that you're going to 687 00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:14,200 have to adapt it at some point in your own way that works for 688 00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:17,120 you. There's not like A1 size fits 689 00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:20,640 all type of thing for this because you're dealing with 690 00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:22,920 people, right? And people were there's always a 691 00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:27,680 variable of chaos, right? So you have to just understand 692 00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:31,040 that your, your approach and what you do and what you create 693 00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:34,040 has its own unique characteristics and charisma 694 00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:37,760 that needs to be highlighted and accentuated. 695 00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:41,920 And you can only do that through trial and experimentation, 696 00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:45,840 right? So that kind of mentality is 697 00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:48,240 really important because otherwise you kind of set 698 00:38:48,240 --> 00:38:51,800 yourself up for disappointment. And, you know, it's kind of 699 00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:54,880 similar to, I guess, in a way, like comparing yourself as a 700 00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:57,040 musician to other musicians, right? 701 00:38:57,400 --> 00:38:58,720 You don't want to do that either. 702 00:38:58,720 --> 00:39:01,440 You know, you might look up to somebody, but don't compare 703 00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:05,240 yourself to Dave Mustaine when you're not Dave Mustaine, you 704 00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:09,080 know? You know, So just perspective is 705 00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:13,720 really important here and that's what keeps you going because you 706 00:39:13,720 --> 00:39:18,640 can always rely on, you know, your ambitions, your dreams and 707 00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:22,240 the things that you're trying to accomplish will always need a 708 00:39:22,240 --> 00:39:25,920 healthy outlook. If you always look at your music 709 00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:30,320 and you're you're depressed by it, which you know, in one way, 710 00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:33,440 shape or form, there definitely will be a time where you're 711 00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:36,760 depressed about it. Because I was depressed about my 712 00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:38,760 music. Hell, you think I wanted to keep 713 00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:41,880 making music when my my band broke up? 714 00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:43,680 I mean, that was one of the hardest things ever that 715 00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:47,680 happened in my life. So but you can take a break if 716 00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:50,560 that's what you need, right? Music is still here for you. 717 00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:54,960 And I'll even share something that I was just talking to 718 00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:58,520 somebody on the way home yesterday where when I was going 719 00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:01,440 through that moment, I remember Elizabeth basically telling me 720 00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:03,760 like. Your music will come out when 721 00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:05,200 it's supposed to come out, right? 722 00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:09,200 If I was to always say to everybody, 'cause I usually do 723 00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:12,240 that, I say it's my sacred duty to do something like home, Eric, 724 00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:14,680 right. Well, if you're attaching this 725 00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:20,360 sort of divine, sort of, I get perspective to that. 726 00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:25,880 Who are you to say when the divine will make its appearance, 727 00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:30,840 right? So if it's divine, it will be 728 00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:34,120 ready when it's ready, and then that's when the the world is 729 00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:37,480 supposed to know about it. So I just that's where your 730 00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:40,960 faith is, right? I am faithful to the music, the. 731 00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:43,720 Only thing I'll say to that is is don't you know? 732 00:40:43,720 --> 00:40:47,560 And, and Ken, you did a great job with this, but don't allow 733 00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:50,040 that to keep you from working on it. 734 00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:52,680 Don't don't say, well, I'm not I'm not going to work on it this 735 00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:56,000 week because I'm just too tired. Don't use that as an excuse. 736 00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:58,120 I guess. I think it's kind of marry the 737 00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:01,360 and not to get biblical on you, but there I think there's a 738 00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:04,400 verse that says something about faith without actions is dead. 739 00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:08,520 So have that faith and belief in yourself and your music and and 740 00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:12,680 then even in in the divinity of what you're putting out there 741 00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:15,560 and know that that timing, I believe, will fall into place. 742 00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:20,080 But I also believe that you need to take action steps for that to 743 00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:22,280 happen. You have to kind you got to kind 744 00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:25,560 of like if you say you have faith in something and not even 745 00:41:25,720 --> 00:41:28,520 going, you know, religious on you guys or anything. 746 00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:31,320 This is this is faith in yourself, faith in what you're 747 00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:35,480 doing, faith that, hey, this universe that we're part of 748 00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:37,040 that. This is what you're supposed to 749 00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:41,240 release at some point. I think to truly believe that, 750 00:41:41,240 --> 00:41:43,800 then your actions have to align with that belief. 751 00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:46,480 So I just I just want to preface that, you know, Ken, you're 752 00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:49,600 absolutely right. It'll it'll be at the right time 753 00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:53,880 and as long as your actions are or aligning with that, I think 754 00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:55,480 that right time definitely will come. 755 00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:58,840 May not be the time we want it to be right, but it will 756 00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:01,360 eventually come to you. So that definitely believe that. 757 00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:07,200 Yeah, we have to, we have to keep moving forward that that 758 00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:12,040 kind of hiatus, if you have to take it, you have to remember 759 00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:13,680 that you still have to come back to it. 760 00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:17,800 So it's not, it's not a an excuse to give up. 761 00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:20,720 It's an ex, it's a, it's a, it's a hiatus. 762 00:42:20,720 --> 00:42:25,360 It means I'm, I'm going to walk away for a little bit for a 763 00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:28,200 certain amount of time, but I will come back. 764 00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:33,200 I will come back. So don't forget to come back. 765 00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:37,000 And, you know, maybe you need to go to and do a, a retreat at 766 00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:41,720 Guilford and then just start creating new stuff. 767 00:42:41,720 --> 00:42:44,160 Who knows, right? I mean, that's the magic of 768 00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:49,280 places like those, you know, you don't don't skimp out on on the 769 00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:51,280 opportunity if you ever get a chance to do something like 770 00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:53,160 that. That is cool, man. 771 00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:54,880 That is I'm, I'm glad you got to go there. 772 00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:57,360 I was kind of jealous and like, dude, yeah, when I text the 773 00:42:57,360 --> 00:42:59,880 other day, like I'm in Vermont and I, I made a joke. 774 00:42:59,880 --> 00:43:01,840 I'm like, where's Vermont? Like, I know where Vermont is, 775 00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:04,040 but it's like, but no one ever talks about this. 776 00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:07,520 It's like in Wayne's World and you want a vacation to Delaware. 777 00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:11,960 I'm like, oh, great. Oh, man. 778 00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:14,480 But I'm glad you had a good time out there. 779 00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:16,440 Thank you, Sir. Oh, brother Ken, dude. 780 00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:19,880 So what's your metal tune of the week? 781 00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:29,480 My metal tune of the week. You know what I think I'm going 782 00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:35,240 to say the album Immutable by Meshuga. 783 00:43:36,720 --> 00:43:40,880 Meshuga is been a long standing band that I I, I love. 784 00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:44,680 I think immutable it's it's I think their more recent works, 785 00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:53,120 but when I heard immutable I felt like that was the most I 786 00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:55,720 think commercially viable version of Meshuga. 787 00:43:56,400 --> 00:44:01,520 I think they're older stuff is certainly more niche oriented, 788 00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:05,600 more for the, you know, heavy duty fan. 789 00:44:06,720 --> 00:44:10,440 But I think Immutable is an important record for Meshugga 790 00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:13,520 because I think it's the thing that allows other people who 791 00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:18,000 don't normally listen to Meshugga to actually maybe grow 792 00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:22,960 a relationship with the band and open the door to what is Gent. 793 00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:27,880 So I'll tell you, I've heard a little bit of it, like when I 794 00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:31,080 first, when I first heard of Meshugga and, and all these 795 00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:34,400 people talking about Gent and it I didn't even know what Gent 796 00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:36,840 was. We used to make the sound. 797 00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:39,000 I mean, this is way back in high school, like in the late 80s, 798 00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:42,280 like so you know, just the palm muting sound, right? 799 00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:43,640 So I kind of thought that was gent or whatever. 800 00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:45,600 I didn't, I didn't know. I remember making a video on how 801 00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:48,880 to gent and it wasn't even anywhere near what gent actually 802 00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:51,120 is because I didn't really know what it was. 803 00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:53,480 I I thought it was like something that, you know, I 804 00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:56,640 remember from way, way back that was, you know, created, but 805 00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:59,200 never like never went viral. Quote UN quote. 806 00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:03,200 But no, I, I did listen to a little bit of the sugar. 807 00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:06,520 Don't remember which album probably about a month ago and 808 00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:08,040 actually enjoyed. I'm like, this is, this is 809 00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:11,240 pretty cool, you know, and then so I'm going to check out this 810 00:45:11,240 --> 00:45:13,560 record you're talking about too immutable. 811 00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:17,800 My tune of the week is actually it's Arch enemy's latest release 812 00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:20,480 here in 2024 called Dream stealer. 813 00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:23,200 The video's cool on that too, but it's a single. 814 00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:26,160 Now I want to say this is without Jeff Loomis because I 815 00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:28,680 know he he left the band recently. 816 00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:31,680 Not sure what he's doing now. I, I love Jeff Loomis's playing. 817 00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:35,120 He's he's amazing, but I'm a I'm a big arch enemy fan. 818 00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:37,840 I, I love Michael Abbas playing just as much. 819 00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:41,200 I love his writing style, man, his just the riffs and and the 820 00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:43,440 melodies, you know, you know, I'm a I'm a with a melodic 821 00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:47,200 sucker here. Yeah, you did a, you did a cover 822 00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:50,600 on that in, in the Homeric record snowbound. 823 00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:51,720 Yeah, that was Oh. That's right. 824 00:45:51,720 --> 00:45:52,680 Yeah, that's right. Dude. 825 00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:54,960 That. Was an arch enemy tune that we 826 00:45:54,960 --> 00:46:00,640 turned into sort of like AI guess a a Hallelujah type style 827 00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:01,600 performance. It was. 828 00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:05,640 It was a very uplifting version of what the original is. 829 00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:11,480 Very cold and dark, very cool. I say I'm a huge Arch enemy fan, 830 00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:14,120 but I didn't even know that that was an arch enemy cover until 831 00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:18,240 after the fact. You know, it was from the album 832 00:46:18,240 --> 00:46:23,840 Wages of Sin and it's it's I think I don't know if it's their 833 00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:27,560 closer on that record, but it it's an instrumental only. 834 00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:31,280 It wasn't one of their popular songs, but it's, it's an 835 00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:36,680 instrumental guitar solo that it, it, it, it was beautiful. 836 00:46:36,720 --> 00:46:41,080 And I, I, I looked at it as a very cool ode in a different way 837 00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:44,040 to a band that I really like in a more melodic fashion. 838 00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:46,920 So it, it was, it was fantastic. You did a great job. 839 00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:48,240 Thank you. Thank you. 840 00:46:48,240 --> 00:46:51,400 You know, and this, I had a lot of fun working on that album, 841 00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:54,520 dude, a lot of fun. So yeah, guys, the Homeric, the 842 00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:56,600 Circle of Dead Children, that will be released, I believe 843 00:46:56,600 --> 00:47:01,800 September 20th, right Ken? And you have pre-orders now for 844 00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:03,640 the CD. You've got some merch out there 845 00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:05,360 and such. So yeah, on. 846 00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:07,680 Metal Mastermind. Yep, it's on, but if you go to 847 00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:10,240 Metal Mastermind, guys, just click on the shop button there. 848 00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:12,120 It'll take you right to our shop. 849 00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:14,640 It's integrated in with with our website there. 850 00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:17,640 My merch is on there as well. So hey, check that out and don't 851 00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:19,800 forget to check out Metal Mastermind in general, guys, you 852 00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:22,840 know, check out the shop, but see also all the resources and 853 00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:26,000 courses, online courses that we have for you real quick. 854 00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:30,160 Our courses are, are just a one time affordable fee and that's 855 00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:31,760 it. There, there are no, there are 856 00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:33,440 no subscription fees for the course. 857 00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:35,120 So once you get it, you've got it. 858 00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:37,880 I'm working on some upgrades and a new course coming up. 859 00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:40,520 So more to come on that. Yeah, but head over to Metal 860 00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:41,800 Mastermind. Check that out. 861 00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:44,640 I want to thank everybody once again for hanging out with Ken 862 00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:47,160 and I. It's always it's an honor guys. 863 00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:50,240 It's it's really truly an honor for Ken and I to to serve you. 864 00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:52,880 That's what we do. So we appreciate you. 865 00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:55,480 Hope you guys have an awesome rest of the week. 866 00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:57,560 As always, create your own sound.