1 00:00:07,300 --> 00:00:10,400 Welcome to another episode of metal, masterminding metal 2 00:00:10,400 --> 00:00:13,700 Mastermind podcast, your host, Jason Stallworth, get co-owner 3 00:00:13,700 --> 00:00:16,800 of metal, Mastermind on here, brother, Can-Can, Dallas. 4 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:20,600 Hey, everybody, we're going to talk to you about what it takes 5 00:00:20,900 --> 00:00:24,100 to release record. And when we're talking about 6 00:00:24,100 --> 00:00:30,500 making music, everybody has to go through the trial by fire all 7 00:00:30,500 --> 00:00:33,700 the way to the end. And actually show everybody what 8 00:00:33,700 --> 00:00:38,700 you did. And you know that's intimidating 9 00:00:38,700 --> 00:00:42,300 for a lot of us, right? Because we're working so hard on 10 00:00:42,300 --> 00:00:45,200 our like creative Endeavors and we're like, oh man is it good 11 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:46,900 enough are people going to like it? 12 00:00:47,500 --> 00:00:53,400 That's a real bit of anxiety for people in the beginning and when 13 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:56,900 you're knee-deep into a project you like, oh, I have to now 14 00:00:56,900 --> 00:01:01,200 release this. Some people are even afraid to 15 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:05,099 release their own music. I totally get it, you know, 16 00:01:05,099 --> 00:01:08,500 you're putting and I think today's in today's era you're 17 00:01:08,500 --> 00:01:11,800 putting yourself out there, exposing yourself. 18 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:14,900 And there's a lot of criticism and we'll talk a little bit 19 00:01:14,900 --> 00:01:18,300 about that but we're going to give you guys a really kind of a 20 00:01:18,300 --> 00:01:22,700 high level snapshot of the beginning to really the very end 21 00:01:22,700 --> 00:01:25,600 of getting your music ready. You know, things that you need 22 00:01:25,600 --> 00:01:29,400 to think about during the recording process and production 23 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:31,900 process and so forth. When we first started metal 24 00:01:31,900 --> 00:01:34,700 Mastermind, You know, you presented this thing to me. 25 00:01:34,700 --> 00:01:37,800 And we have this out there on metal, Mastermind.com or website 26 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:40,100 is a blog post and a video early on. 27 00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:43,400 You talked about the golden rules of recording. 28 00:01:43,900 --> 00:01:48,900 Yeah, I happily, we'll talk about that and the golden rules. 29 00:01:48,900 --> 00:01:56,300 Are six rules that make a recording outstanding and the 30 00:01:56,300 --> 00:02:00,000 first three have nothing to do with the gear that you use. 31 00:02:00,100 --> 00:02:02,800 The first thing is, we need to have a great. 32 00:02:03,100 --> 00:02:07,700 It's and honestly, before a great performance, you should 33 00:02:07,700 --> 00:02:13,400 even have a great song. So, the the first thing has to 34 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:19,000 be that we're capturing a stellar take, and it's the best 35 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:22,700 take that you've ever made for your recording following. 36 00:02:22,700 --> 00:02:29,200 After that, we have the right instrument and that kind of goes 37 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:32,500 hand-in-hand with the great performance. 38 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:37,800 Now sometimes, for example, let's say you got A cheap 39 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:39,800 guitar, right? You baby. 40 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:41,800 It's like the first guitar you ever had. 41 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:44,900 If it's like one of those like First Act guitars that you get 42 00:02:44,900 --> 00:02:50,100 as a teenager or kid, right? But you get Stevi to play right 43 00:02:50,100 --> 00:02:51,900 now. Steve vais, probably going to 44 00:02:52,100 --> 00:02:56,700 shred the hell out of that First Act Guitar. 45 00:02:57,100 --> 00:03:00,700 But, you know, there's always going to be that like little bit 46 00:03:00,700 --> 00:03:05,100 of what if this was like an actual Ibanez that Steve Vai 47 00:03:05,100 --> 00:03:09,500 would really play. So that's going to obviously 48 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:14,900 change the elements of the quality of the recording. 49 00:03:15,300 --> 00:03:19,600 So, when you get Steve, I who plays amazing, playing on an 50 00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:22,700 amazing guitar. Now, you have a match made in 51 00:03:22,700 --> 00:03:26,300 heaven, right? This is another thing that you 52 00:03:26,300 --> 00:03:31,100 can also think about vocals, how many vocalist that actually do 53 00:03:31,100 --> 00:03:34,900 really, really great work but don't fit within a particular 54 00:03:34,900 --> 00:03:36,900 project because of the sound of the A voice. 55 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:42,000 That's a great example dude. You know, not everybody is for 56 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:43,900 everything. I and I want to touch on the 57 00:03:43,900 --> 00:03:46,700 guitar part because I know a lot of our a lot of our listeners 58 00:03:46,700 --> 00:03:49,200 are guitar players. You know, this doesn't mean you 59 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:52,300 have to go out and buy the most expensive guitar on the face of 60 00:03:52,300 --> 00:03:56,500 the universe but what it does mean is in really along the 61 00:03:56,500 --> 00:03:58,900 lines of what you just said Can about vocals. 62 00:03:59,300 --> 00:04:01,800 You should be playing an instrument that you're 63 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:04,100 comfortable with that truly fits you. 64 00:04:04,100 --> 00:04:06,200 I mean, great albums have been made. 65 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:09,800 You know, gear this not super expensive. 66 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:14,200 So the price tag doesn't have to do with it as much as does. 67 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:17,600 It truly fit you, if you're just recording something with the 68 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:21,500 beginner guitar, our guitar that's just not set up, right? 69 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:25,500 And I guess we would say he's just do, do your due diligence. 70 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:30,200 And even if it is a guitar, that's maybe not Stellar, maybe 71 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:32,800 you put a little money into it, instead of getting a new guitar, 72 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:35,300 maybe you put a little money into the guitar and the bass, 73 00:04:35,300 --> 00:04:36,500 maybe change the pickup. UPS. 74 00:04:36,500 --> 00:04:39,100 Go have it professionally set up, right? 75 00:04:39,100 --> 00:04:42,200 There's a lot of things that you can do using the gear that you 76 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:43,800 already have. So I just want to make that 77 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:45,800 point real quick. Absolutely. 78 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:49,500 And part of the right instrument, is it being 79 00:04:49,500 --> 00:04:54,700 correctly setup? I did a drum recording about oh 80 00:04:54,700 --> 00:05:00,100 just a little over a week ago on Sunday in Massachusetts and that 81 00:05:00,100 --> 00:05:05,700 recording Turned out Stellar because they hired me as a drum 82 00:05:05,700 --> 00:05:07,400 Tech. Nice, dude. 83 00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:13,600 So, you know, they have this, I need this band, it's called hero 84 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:16,000 in the heart of great band checking out the kind of like 85 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:19,600 this tool and Stone Temple. Pilots kind of sound to them, 86 00:05:19,900 --> 00:05:24,400 but they've got, you know, what history of working with my buddy 87 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:27,000 who is an engineer and he's actually engineered for us as 88 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:32,900 well as name is Kia, Esky and the results of a Meeting with 89 00:05:32,900 --> 00:05:36,100 Kia sound great. They sound big but it just takes 90 00:05:36,100 --> 00:05:39,600 it to another level when you have also a drum set that's like 91 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:43,600 properly tuned and set up. It just inspires the rest of the 92 00:05:43,608 --> 00:05:47,300 band when they play. And of course the the drummer is 93 00:05:47,300 --> 00:05:51,500 totally feeling of cells because the entire drum set sounds just 94 00:05:51,500 --> 00:05:55,000 incredible. So it's a really, really 95 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:59,600 important, part of really getting to have your session 96 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:04,200 ready for recording. It is just yeah, getting it the 97 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:09,000 right intonation, getting the right strings, getting the right 98 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:13,000 action for your guitar or in this case, boiling up, like 99 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:17,300 lubricating the heads for, you know, the lugs on a drum set. 100 00:06:17,300 --> 00:06:21,100 So that there's no tension on the lug. 101 00:06:21,100 --> 00:06:23,200 So when you're tuning, it's nice and smooth. 102 00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:25,800 Like, all these things they add up, it's like little little 103 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:30,500 things but the whole becomes that much better for it. 104 00:06:30,500 --> 00:06:34,700 So it's worth worth spending the extra time and the extra money 105 00:06:34,900 --> 00:06:37,000 before you get into the studio, just to make sure that 106 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:41,100 everything is properly working. That's pure gold, dude. 107 00:06:41,100 --> 00:06:43,000 Yeah, I mean, those are those are great points. 108 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:46,200 And again, it's like you said, can it's not about like, okay, 109 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:49,400 this one little things going to make this Monumental difference, 110 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:53,500 but it's a lot of things, little things that you put together. 111 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:57,100 Did you just make the, the performance so much better? 112 00:06:57,400 --> 00:07:00,800 If I'm trying to solo on a guitar where the actions to hi, 113 00:07:01,100 --> 00:07:03,400 I'm not going to play as well. Not going to be as inspired. 114 00:07:03,500 --> 00:07:06,600 You tune, this drum kit for this band. 115 00:07:06,700 --> 00:07:10,300 Like you said, I can imagine just like, The drummer sitting 116 00:07:10,300 --> 00:07:13,600 back there, like, holy crap. This thing just this is 117 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:17,100 Flawless. So again his performance or her 118 00:07:17,100 --> 00:07:19,700 performance on the drum kit. Well, that's going to roll into 119 00:07:19,700 --> 00:07:24,300 everyone else and that energy is just felt among the band members 120 00:07:24,300 --> 00:07:26,700 and everyone in the studio when they're recording. 121 00:07:26,700 --> 00:07:28,800 So, right. That's the stuffs crucial, man. 122 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:33,100 Yeah, it's a mental game in the studio and the right environment 123 00:07:33,100 --> 00:07:38,400 is number three on the list. So re having not just great. 124 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:41,700 Expert. Even just like a mental space 125 00:07:41,700 --> 00:07:44,300 for people. That's why people like to hire a 126 00:07:44,308 --> 00:07:46,900 studio out when they go and they do their thing. 127 00:07:46,900 --> 00:07:51,800 Because the evolved of a studio is something that makes you one. 128 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:54,900 Take it more, seriously. Hey, you know, you're getting 129 00:07:54,900 --> 00:07:58,700 better sounds at the studio, then maybe like your bedroom, so 130 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:02,400 you decide. Okay, let's go and make it worth 131 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:07,000 our while and you get in there and the environment of recording 132 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:10,600 in that space. Just Makes it easier in the mix. 133 00:08:10,700 --> 00:08:16,000 It also can help Define the sound of like, what your band is 134 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:19,100 all about. Maybe it's like giant drums, you 135 00:08:19,100 --> 00:08:21,400 know? Or it's, is it really tight 136 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:23,300 drums, right? Is it going to be in an ISO 137 00:08:23,300 --> 00:08:24,600 Booth? Or is it going to be in a big 138 00:08:24,600 --> 00:08:28,000 live room? Those types of decisions help 139 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:31,200 influence the rest of the album's Timbre. 140 00:08:31,300 --> 00:08:37,200 So you got to you got to think of these things as all again, 141 00:08:37,500 --> 00:08:40,100 small elements that Add to the whole. 142 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:43,000 And if we're talking about getting the right performance, 143 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:46,200 right off the top, getting the right instrument and of course, 144 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:49,000 having that in tune and all this kind of stuff. 145 00:08:49,300 --> 00:08:52,000 But then number three, putting yourself in the right 146 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:54,800 environment to make that recording again. 147 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:58,000 These first three have nothing to do with microphones or 148 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:00,700 anything of that sort, we haven't even got to the like 149 00:09:00,700 --> 00:09:04,800 interfaces or whatever. So, forget all that, like the 150 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:08,200 first three if nothing else. The first three are incredibly 151 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:10,700 important. That environment. 152 00:09:10,700 --> 00:09:13,900 So important to men, like, I, you know, I like my studio. 153 00:09:13,900 --> 00:09:17,500 This guy barely call it a studio, so 10 by 11 room, but I 154 00:09:17,500 --> 00:09:21,600 remember just a few months ago towards the end of 2020 to I 155 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:24,200 walked into Morris Sound Studio in Tampa. 156 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:27,200 Florida here my buddies in the band siren. 157 00:09:27,300 --> 00:09:29,600 They were they were finishing up their album. 158 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:32,900 They actually recorded everything on their own, but 159 00:09:32,900 --> 00:09:35,700 they brought it to Jim Morrison more Sound Studio. 160 00:09:36,100 --> 00:09:39,200 They brought it to him to do all the mixing and mastering Just 161 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:43,600 being in that environment. I was like this is just I could 162 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:47,000 live here, good idea but cut over here you know. 163 00:09:47,700 --> 00:09:51,000 But yeah that environment I mean I can't imagine recording and 164 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:54,500 just going into an actual vocal booth to seeing as opposed to 165 00:09:54,500 --> 00:09:57,500 just doing your bedroom again. Nothing wrong with recording in 166 00:09:57,500 --> 00:10:02,100 your bedroom, guys, but maybe set it up in a manner so that 167 00:10:02,100 --> 00:10:05,400 you're inspired. I need, can I need a studio 168 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:06,700 overhaul? You and I are going to be 169 00:10:06,708 --> 00:10:10,000 talking about this and more. Cuz I'm going to need your help. 170 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:14,100 Sometimes I feel like I have a little bit of clutter in here 171 00:10:14,500 --> 00:10:17,200 and there are days where I'm just not as inspired. 172 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:20,800 So if you feel like that then just know that maybe it's time 173 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:24,200 to change some things around a little bit so that you have that 174 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:25,800 atmosphere to where you're inspired. 175 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:32,600 Yeah, for sure, but at the end of the day, going into a studio, 176 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:37,400 gives you reason to also prepare, right? 177 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:41,200 Your, your, your Good about being in a studio and not being 178 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:43,600 in asses as inspired. And that's probably because you 179 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:48,000 don't feel the pressure. That's a good so, dude, yeah, 180 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:49,800 putting a little fire under your butt. 181 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:52,200 Really goes a long way in making a great record. 182 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:55,200 And that's one of the reasons why, you know, they say time is 183 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:57,100 money when you're at the studio because. 184 00:10:57,200 --> 00:11:02,000 Yeah, you have to make it count. So make sure you're you're on 185 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:09,000 your A game. But yeah, number four is Is the 186 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:12,100 Right microphone and that's where we finally start getting 187 00:11:12,108 --> 00:11:15,600 to audio gear and I want to touch about, you know, mixing 188 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:17,500 and stuff like that in just a second. 189 00:11:17,500 --> 00:11:21,600 But you know, not only having the microphone like for example 190 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:26,300 like an sm57 on a guitar cab is a classic sound but you also 191 00:11:26,300 --> 00:11:29,200 have to put that microphone in the right place. 192 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:33,400 So that's another element that we cannot forget. 193 00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:37,800 It's really critical to know where to put the microphone. 194 00:11:37,800 --> 00:11:42,400 So Part of going into a studio is. 195 00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:45,200 Yeah. Somebody in the studio, is going 196 00:11:45,200 --> 00:11:49,300 to be trained to do that job, and they're going to keep in 197 00:11:49,300 --> 00:11:53,800 mind phase and all of these things that when you get down to 198 00:11:53,800 --> 00:11:56,900 the mixing element, it's going to make it a lot easier rather 199 00:11:56,900 --> 00:12:00,000 than having to, you know, try and rework. 200 00:12:00,400 --> 00:12:03,600 All the sounds because you're not capturing it correctly at 201 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:06,800 the source and then you end up having to replace a lot of those 202 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:08,700 things with like samples and psycho. 203 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:11,700 Oh my God, I become such a mess and it's so much harder to work 204 00:12:11,700 --> 00:12:12,200 with. Yeah. 205 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:16,700 Those types of situations are things that we want to try and 206 00:12:16,700 --> 00:12:19,300 avoid and it all comes down to the source. 207 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:22,300 Was it recorded correctly? Was it a great performance? 208 00:12:23,100 --> 00:12:26,700 Was the drumset tune? Was it not you know those kinds 209 00:12:26,700 --> 00:12:31,200 of decisions again all add up in the end until finally you're 210 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:36,700 using the right re amplifier to record and that's more of like 211 00:12:36,700 --> 00:12:41,300 at Ambrose choice that people will make at the very end, but 212 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:46,300 if you know, you know, preamps really well that actually can 213 00:12:46,300 --> 00:12:50,900 also make something go from sounding either a little 214 00:12:50,900 --> 00:12:58,100 mediocre or even good to just great because you're having the 215 00:12:58,100 --> 00:13:03,000 Sonic choices as a palette to say, okay, I know I'm going to 216 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:08,000 choose the API Priam because the API preamp has a very fast 217 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:11,500 attack And so, I'll put that on my kick drum because I'm going 218 00:13:11,500 --> 00:13:15,900 to record that click Enos that I want in my metal music, right? 219 00:13:15,900 --> 00:13:18,400 That's kind of the thought process, some of this stuff or I 220 00:13:18,408 --> 00:13:22,400 might use a need preamp because it has thick harmonic overtones 221 00:13:22,700 --> 00:13:26,700 what sound great on the crack of a snare make it sound like, you 222 00:13:26,700 --> 00:13:30,900 know, route really a lot of flak, as we like to say, you 223 00:13:30,900 --> 00:13:36,000 know, it's beefy attack. No, let me back up for a second 224 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:38,300 to the guitars. We talked about my king and a 225 00:13:38,800 --> 00:13:41,000 Yeah. Can we what are your thoughts on 226 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:44,700 many people that use a Sims these days? 227 00:13:44,700 --> 00:13:46,300 I'll I personally like to use a mixture. 228 00:13:46,300 --> 00:13:48,900 I like to record some stuff with my life, a other stuff with the 229 00:13:48,900 --> 00:13:52,600 Sims. But how do you relate that? 230 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:55,300 Like, we're talking about choosing the Reich, the Right 231 00:13:55,300 --> 00:13:59,100 microphone, the right preeminent Source on Al Atwood. 232 00:13:59,100 --> 00:14:01,700 What are your thoughts on a simulators and plugins? 233 00:14:02,700 --> 00:14:05,200 I think they're great, especially for a day when you're 234 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:09,600 tracking an instrument, like drums, to be able to just Get a 235 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:13,600 sound going so that we can all play together. 236 00:14:14,200 --> 00:14:16,100 Especially as a band. Right? 237 00:14:16,100 --> 00:14:19,300 We're not talking. Just solo individual doing 238 00:14:19,300 --> 00:14:20,900 multi-instrumentalist, kind of thing. 239 00:14:21,100 --> 00:14:24,900 We're talking about a band. You want to have something 240 00:14:24,900 --> 00:14:27,300 that's flexible. Something that you can work 241 00:14:27,300 --> 00:14:28,600 with. But at the same time and we 242 00:14:28,608 --> 00:14:31,000 talked about this actually I think on our last episode with 243 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:37,900 Nick with Nick and we're having a deai is totally crucial to 244 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:41,500 establishing you know what the future of the sound of that 245 00:14:41,500 --> 00:14:46,800 guitar is going to be in the mix so you can have the D, I sort of 246 00:14:46,800 --> 00:14:50,400 preserve the original guitar performance and if the guitar 247 00:14:50,400 --> 00:14:53,500 performance was just great that day, you know, you don't really 248 00:14:53,500 --> 00:14:55,700 have to change anything but maybe you have to change the 249 00:14:55,700 --> 00:15:00,300 tone of the guitar amp you can just re-amp it and just take 250 00:15:00,300 --> 00:15:04,200 that performance and just color the sound of the tone of the 251 00:15:04,200 --> 00:15:06,700 guitar even differently and really take your time with it 252 00:15:06,700 --> 00:15:09,600 because you can sculpt it now without Out having the pressure 253 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:12,500 of having, to alter record drums, it's already done. 254 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:17,300 So, that's a great method of doing it and you know, a lot of 255 00:15:17,300 --> 00:15:21,700 interfaces nowadays they just come in with, you know, heisey 256 00:15:21,700 --> 00:15:23,200 input. So you could actually just plug 257 00:15:23,200 --> 00:15:26,900 your guitar right into the high Z input and just start recording 258 00:15:26,900 --> 00:15:30,000 right away. And a lot of people are, you 259 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:33,800 know, not really hearing the difference between making a real 260 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:36,500 guitar and versus making a sin when it's in the context of a 261 00:15:36,500 --> 00:15:38,300 mix. So it also depends on the mixing 262 00:15:38,300 --> 00:15:41,600 engineer. That you have who can work with 263 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:42,800 the things that you're giving him? 264 00:15:42,800 --> 00:15:46,200 Because if it sounds good. I mean it is good. 265 00:15:47,700 --> 00:15:50,000 A lot of people aren't even aren't even my can any happen 266 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:52,500 all these days? Not young not using VI. 267 00:15:52,500 --> 00:15:54,500 They're just plugging directly into the interface. 268 00:15:54,800 --> 00:15:58,300 You can amp Sim like positive Grid or neural DSP or whatever 269 00:15:58,300 --> 00:16:02,100 amplitube there's so many out there and I guess you know to 270 00:16:02,100 --> 00:16:03,900 your point in having the right Mike. 271 00:16:03,900 --> 00:16:08,500 Will you know that rule applies? Even with the amp simulator when 272 00:16:08,500 --> 00:16:12,200 you Can go into the amp simulation in the cab ir and all 273 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:15,000 that and move the mic around, right? 274 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:18,600 Get that appropriate sound that you're looking for this sits. 275 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:21,100 Well with your mix and I know we're going to get more into 276 00:16:21,100 --> 00:16:24,700 mixing a little later here but as far as microphones go I know 277 00:16:24,700 --> 00:16:26,900 we got to touch on vocals here as well man. 278 00:16:26,900 --> 00:16:30,200 So that's that's where it really obvious visual part. 279 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:32,100 Right? Absolutely. 280 00:16:32,100 --> 00:16:35,100 And one final thing, I'll one thing that I love about 281 00:16:35,200 --> 00:16:38,600 recording guitars with Addie, I actually I like to personally 282 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:42,800 Re-amp it, get it real amp. But I also like to use the DIA 283 00:16:42,800 --> 00:16:47,600 as a way to just blend tone with a am sin and just have that sort 284 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:52,300 of balance of really defining the actual tone of the guitar 285 00:16:52,300 --> 00:16:53,700 amp. So that's that's a tip that I 286 00:16:53,700 --> 00:16:55,700 like to do. That's a very nice balance. 287 00:16:55,700 --> 00:16:58,900 By the way, I love that. I love, you know, again, making 288 00:16:58,900 --> 00:17:03,600 a real amp but then it amusing that signal, or maybe like, in 289 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:08,599 my case, I might even just re-record that again, you know. 290 00:17:08,700 --> 00:17:10,800 You guys, too. Yeah, I'll do two Rhythm tracks, 291 00:17:10,800 --> 00:17:14,300 hardpan each one. I like to hear those subtle 292 00:17:14,300 --> 00:17:17,099 imperfections. Those nuances between the two 293 00:17:17,099 --> 00:17:20,599 guitar tracks, you know. I like to hear that. 294 00:17:20,599 --> 00:17:22,700 At that, to me, that just makes it more lively. 295 00:17:23,300 --> 00:17:26,300 Yeah. And, when it comes to the metal, 296 00:17:26,300 --> 00:17:29,200 I think the simpler the better. I mean, you don't need really 297 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:34,900 more than two guitar on either side, you know, I don't I'm 298 00:17:34,900 --> 00:17:38,500 actually sounds pretty big just doing it on its own. 299 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:42,700 When you start a during adding like a ton of layers of guitars, 300 00:17:42,900 --> 00:17:46,400 it just starts getting really, really cluttered, and it becomes 301 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:50,800 hard to define tone. So my recommendation, for most 302 00:17:50,800 --> 00:17:55,100 metal projects is just keep it simple one left one right. 303 00:17:55,100 --> 00:17:59,100 You know, each one can maybe have up to two mics, maybe three 304 00:17:59,100 --> 00:18:03,500 if you really want to go all out with like guitar Reverb like 305 00:18:03,500 --> 00:18:06,800 rooms and stuff like that. All that's another conversation 306 00:18:06,800 --> 00:18:10,800 for another day. But the The concept of simpler 307 00:18:10,800 --> 00:18:14,100 is actually better. It makes things open up more, 308 00:18:14,800 --> 00:18:17,500 there's less competition in the mix. 309 00:18:17,800 --> 00:18:19,200 Those kinds of things, we want to think about. 310 00:18:19,200 --> 00:18:21,800 So, when we're recording, we want to record with intention of 311 00:18:21,800 --> 00:18:24,700 what this is going to be used for so that we don't waste too 312 00:18:24,700 --> 00:18:26,900 much time. Because yeah, again, time is 313 00:18:26,900 --> 00:18:29,800 money right? So but yeah it's time this 314 00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:32,000 morning and it is a good point you make in and just to just 315 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:33,800 kind of reiterate real quick, you know, we're talking about 316 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:36,500 is, you know, you record your to Rhythm tracks, hardpan each or 317 00:18:36,500 --> 00:18:39,500 panting how you want. But you record A temp, right? 318 00:18:39,500 --> 00:18:43,400 But you've got that dry signal as well so that you can use an 319 00:18:43,400 --> 00:18:48,100 amp SIM for that that same, you know, that same performance just 320 00:18:48,100 --> 00:18:52,000 to kind of like really get some cool textures and different 321 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:54,900 tones and really just dial things and a little deeper. 322 00:18:54,900 --> 00:18:56,700 So that's just a really cool Method Man. 323 00:18:57,000 --> 00:19:02,000 Yeah everything adds up at the end, it's too. 324 00:19:02,100 --> 00:19:05,400 You know when you get to the mix the mix becomes something 325 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:10,500 entirely different as a process. We're Not worried about now 326 00:19:10,800 --> 00:19:15,000 getting a recording. We're all about trying to blend 327 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:19,800 all the elements, the mix and there are two, you know, 328 00:19:20,100 --> 00:19:24,300 methodologies that I'd say you can go blonde digital with every 329 00:19:24,300 --> 00:19:26,800 tool available to you, or you can go analog. 330 00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:32,500 If you've got the time and money to do it and some people like to 331 00:19:32,500 --> 00:19:37,300 talk about analog as this thing that's just Superior in every 332 00:19:37,300 --> 00:19:41,100 way because there's just Analog toned with it and room. 333 00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:43,900 Yeah, there's a lot of people like to overhype. 334 00:19:43,900 --> 00:19:50,900 It honestly group analog is is great but it is a tricky thing 335 00:19:50,900 --> 00:19:55,000 to work with and it's a pain in the butt to recall anything. 336 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:59,500 You have to also understand that we went into digital because 337 00:19:59,500 --> 00:20:02,100 there were certain things that analog couldn't do. 338 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:06,600 But at the same token, we're having to think. 339 00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:10,800 Like if we do analog And I was recently working on something 340 00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:14,700 with an SL G 4000 series console. 341 00:20:14,900 --> 00:20:20,700 We have one at at the University and it's such a different 342 00:20:20,700 --> 00:20:24,500 mindset and I think it depends on the music. 343 00:20:24,800 --> 00:20:28,400 If you're going to choose to do analog you have to be very very 344 00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:31,100 conscious that whatever you do in analog. 345 00:20:31,300 --> 00:20:35,900 You have to commit to that. There's no going back and 346 00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:38,500 redoing that one little, you know. 347 00:20:38,700 --> 00:20:44,300 Old transition just to make that One DB of a change and it's like 348 00:20:44,700 --> 00:20:48,600 no dude because if I have to comment on another day and 349 00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:52,000 recall that whole session just to do One DB I'm going to I'm 350 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:53,800 going to tell you that ain't happening. 351 00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:58,900 So ask you this do you really think that anybody is going to 352 00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:03,500 listen to an album or a song? Then after the fact say hey by 353 00:21:03,500 --> 00:21:08,000 the way that was all analog it's that going to change their mind 354 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:11,700 about how They feel or perceive that song, you know what I mean? 355 00:21:11,700 --> 00:21:17,200 So really, you know it's gonna yeah, it'll it'll add its color 356 00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:20,700 and all that cool stuff and you know that can be one of those 357 00:21:20,700 --> 00:21:25,400 things that feels like more of a finalizing touch to everything 358 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:31,200 but it's at the end of the day, you know, the Common Man or 359 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:34,800 common woman or be want to put it there, going to listen to the 360 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:37,500 song for the song and they're going to enjoy the music for the 361 00:21:37,500 --> 00:21:38,500 music. Not. 362 00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:41,700 The Sara Lee because of the production value, even though, 363 00:21:41,700 --> 00:21:44,700 of course it is. It here's what I would say about 364 00:21:44,700 --> 00:21:46,900 production value when it comes to Consumers. 365 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:51,300 If nobody tells you how great of a production, it was you've done 366 00:21:51,300 --> 00:21:54,300 your job. There you go. 367 00:21:54,300 --> 00:21:56,400 There you go, man. Good point. 368 00:21:56,400 --> 00:22:00,800 It's got to translate well, to a point where any people will know 369 00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:03,600 if something sounds wrong and then they'll call it out. 370 00:22:03,700 --> 00:22:06,500 They'll tell ya. If they don't hear anything 371 00:22:06,500 --> 00:22:09,300 wrong, they'll just say how great of a song it was hopefully 372 00:22:09,300 --> 00:22:11,900 it was a great song. Yeah. 373 00:22:11,900 --> 00:22:15,700 So they'll focus more on that element instead and the 374 00:22:15,700 --> 00:22:18,300 production value becomes Secondary to that. 375 00:22:18,300 --> 00:22:20,800 So they'll say, oh, by the way, yeah, that I love the snare, 376 00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:27,300 sounds great, you know. So that is a big part of making 377 00:22:27,300 --> 00:22:32,000 music which is just knowing that all the production value at all 378 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:36,200 the hours that you go in to be queuing and compressing and all 379 00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:40,000 that stuff. Somebody at the end will 380 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:46,400 appreciate it in a sense, that's very subliminal or subconscious, 381 00:22:47,300 --> 00:22:49,800 but it might not be the thing that's Forefront. 382 00:22:49,900 --> 00:22:54,800 It'll be the the context of the music itself first after that, 383 00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:59,500 it's all secondary. But, yeah, that's, that's a huge 384 00:22:59,500 --> 00:23:02,200 part of it. I don't you've tried mixing your 385 00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:06,100 own stuff and what you've even hire other people to mix stuff 386 00:23:06,100 --> 00:23:09,000 for you to Jason. Why would you do that? 387 00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:11,200 Like why do you think it's important for people to? 388 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:14,700 Also think about maybe not doing everything themselves. 389 00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:18,200 Well you know, so there's before I don't want to be my own 390 00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:21,400 weakest. Link this new album, I'm working 391 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:23,900 on now, I'm taking some different approaches in certain 392 00:23:23,900 --> 00:23:28,900 areas, but I think it's good to get a basic mix because that's 393 00:23:28,900 --> 00:23:32,500 just going to help you record in the recording process. 394 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:37,300 For example, you know, I hired Cameron flurry for drums, for my 395 00:23:37,300 --> 00:23:41,900 last two, Albums and, you know, I, but I had to have some sort 396 00:23:41,900 --> 00:23:45,600 of drums before hiring Hound, you know, and I had to have 397 00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:48,400 those kind of mixed appropriately so that I could 398 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:50,300 record my guitar tracks, you know. 399 00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:54,600 So, I think it's good to have some sense of it to make sure 400 00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:58,100 everything's kind of balanced out, but there comes a point 401 00:23:58,100 --> 00:24:03,000 where okay, how good do I want this to be again? 402 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:08,100 You know, I mix my own stuff in the past because I felt that At 403 00:24:08,100 --> 00:24:11,200 the time, I didn't have the budget to go further than that. 404 00:24:11,300 --> 00:24:13,300 And I shouldn't even say that that's a limitation. 405 00:24:13,300 --> 00:24:17,300 We put our put on ourselves. What would I really? 406 00:24:17,300 --> 00:24:20,500 And I don't want to say should have, could have but going 407 00:24:20,500 --> 00:24:21,900 forward. It's like, if you don't have the 408 00:24:21,900 --> 00:24:24,800 funds will get the funds, you know what I mean? 409 00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:27,800 There's nothing stopping. You don't allow that to be a 410 00:24:27,808 --> 00:24:30,900 limitation, you know, can you? And I talked a lot about 411 00:24:30,900 --> 00:24:32,700 mindset. We've been, we've been going 412 00:24:32,700 --> 00:24:36,900 deeper into this story lately. And, you know, you, you control 413 00:24:36,900 --> 00:24:39,100 your destiny. Do you want to hear that or not? 414 00:24:39,100 --> 00:24:41,800 Whether you believe it or not? And if you don't believe it, 415 00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:43,700 that means life's probably not going. 416 00:24:43,700 --> 00:24:47,200 So great. But you're in control of how you 417 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:50,300 feel and how you react to things that happen. 418 00:24:50,500 --> 00:24:54,000 Even the things that that are seemingly out of your control, 419 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:57,300 you still control, how you react to them, how long you hold them 420 00:24:57,308 --> 00:24:59,700 to that emotion. And we're going on a different 421 00:24:59,700 --> 00:25:01,300 tangent. So, let me Circle back to 422 00:25:01,300 --> 00:25:04,900 recording here. You know, you don't let fun, 423 00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:07,200 don't let funding be that limitation. 424 00:25:07,900 --> 00:25:10,000 In the way to get it. Because if you really want to do 425 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:12,600 something, you will find a way or better. 426 00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:18,400 Yet create away and there's just no reason not to do that. 427 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:22,000 If it's important to you. So, again, you you can you can 428 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:24,700 attain the skill, you know, like nixies course. 429 00:25:24,700 --> 00:25:27,900 I'm going to be going through his course and as I go through 430 00:25:27,900 --> 00:25:31,600 his mixing course, you know, metal producer Overlord, the 431 00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:33,800 mixing series. We had annexed by the way, guys, 432 00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:36,700 on the podcast, prior to this one, that was last week's 433 00:25:36,700 --> 00:25:38,700 podcast. So, If you finish listen to 434 00:25:38,700 --> 00:25:40,800 this, if you didn't hear that, definitely go check that out. 435 00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:43,400 Lot of gold nuggets in there to help you with your mixing. 436 00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:46,600 So I'm going to go through that and then I will decide as I go 437 00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:51,100 through that, do I want someone else mixing at this point? 438 00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:54,400 Or do I feel like I did a good enough job to someone else is 439 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:55,900 still going to be better than me at it. 440 00:25:55,900 --> 00:25:59,600 Does it on a regular basis. So I'll make that decision 441 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:02,600 towards the end is something that I want to hone in on more 442 00:26:02,900 --> 00:26:06,200 or would I rather another expert handled that and just let me 443 00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:09,200 stick to the songwriting. And the performance and all that 444 00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:11,100 good stuff. So that's another question. 445 00:26:11,100 --> 00:26:13,400 You have to ask yourself and be honest with yourself. 446 00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:16,900 Now, mastering real quick I always outsourced mastering I 447 00:26:16,900 --> 00:26:20,700 will never Master my own albums songs, any of that, that always 448 00:26:20,700 --> 00:26:25,400 gets sourced out and can you can kind of cover the reasons why I 449 00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:28,200 don't know the type reasons why I just know that I am not the 450 00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:31,600 master of mastering so I'm going to let a master bathroom. 451 00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:36,800 Sorry for well guys. You know mastering actually if 452 00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:40,700 you look into the Cost of what, a mastering Studio, you know, 453 00:26:41,300 --> 00:26:45,600 takes in terms of financial investment, it's actually very 454 00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:48,800 similar to a recording studio. The only difference is, we're 455 00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:53,100 not re-buying microphones or we're not buying, you know, 456 00:26:53,100 --> 00:26:57,000 these live rooms and building that stuff out with a mastering 457 00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:01,600 facility, all that information or all that money actually goes 458 00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:04,900 towards the quality of the equipment and the equality of 459 00:27:04,900 --> 00:27:08,300 the room, you know, years not.you're, not doing Recordings 460 00:27:08,300 --> 00:27:11,000 in this big live room but you have a really, really accurate 461 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:15,200 control room with amazing, amazing monitors. 462 00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:17,700 Some of these monitors, they can go up to 100,000 dollars. 463 00:27:17,708 --> 00:27:22,600 It's incredible how much money people can spend on speakers. 464 00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:28,500 So that kind of mentality of, you know, going to a mastering 465 00:27:28,500 --> 00:27:32,500 engineer with your music that you've mixed yourself is 466 00:27:32,500 --> 00:27:35,800 actually a really great step because now that mastering 467 00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:37,700 engineer can listen to the music that you've made. 468 00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:42,100 In a very accurate room and actually make unbiased decisions 469 00:27:42,100 --> 00:27:45,300 that will enhance the music part of what you want with the 470 00:27:45,300 --> 00:27:48,200 mastering Engineers actually that they're very experienced 471 00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:51,800 with the genre that you're talking about because, you know, 472 00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:54,100 especially if they're one of those mastering Engineers that's 473 00:27:54,100 --> 00:27:58,200 been like a trendsetter like a Roger lien or an andyman, dad or 474 00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:00,900 somebody like that. These kinds of mastering 475 00:28:00,900 --> 00:28:04,500 Engineers have worked on legendary albums and a lot of 476 00:28:04,500 --> 00:28:09,000 the sound that were inspired by our from the work of Guys, so 477 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:13,500 they know what they're going for here and they'll tell you 478 00:28:13,900 --> 00:28:18,000 whether or not your mix is up to that standard to which is a 479 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:20,400 valuable piece of information as a mixing engineer. 480 00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:24,500 So super valuable dude, man. Yeah, you're coming from all the 481 00:28:24,500 --> 00:28:26,200 way from the beginning of like, okay. 482 00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:31,300 I want to record the best recording that I can do to 483 00:28:31,300 --> 00:28:34,600 getting the mix to be right, to then getting to the mastering 484 00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:37,800 stage, right? The mastering engineer is is 485 00:28:37,808 --> 00:28:44,600 really the last stop before you get to the consumer and it is so 486 00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:47,600 critical that you have a conversation with your mastering 487 00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:52,800 engineer and have them give you Consulting like throw away the 488 00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:56,000 ego and just get the consulting firm you mastering engineer 489 00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:59,200 because they will tell you what you need to work on or what you 490 00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:03,400 need to pay attention to when you're mixes and it's invaluable 491 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:05,600 information as a mixing engineer, but just as a 492 00:29:05,608 --> 00:29:11,600 producer, in general, Able to prepare especially for the next 493 00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:14,700 time you go to this person, you know exactly what they're 494 00:29:14,700 --> 00:29:17,200 looking for. And so now you become that much 495 00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:20,800 more efficient at what you do and everything elevates. 496 00:29:21,300 --> 00:29:24,800 It's kind of like a tide that lifts all boats if we want to 497 00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:28,200 call it with that analogy, don't take it too. 498 00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:30,100 Personally. If a, mastering engineer tells 499 00:29:30,100 --> 00:29:32,500 you, hey, this needs to be done in your mix and you're just 500 00:29:32,500 --> 00:29:37,600 like, well, that's what I intended rights like okay baby. 501 00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:41,600 Be but maybe he's got a point to you know, or she's got a point. 502 00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:45,800 It's it's all relative, but at the end of the day, you're 503 00:29:45,900 --> 00:29:48,000 hoping that the mastering engineer that you're working 504 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:50,500 with is someone who's more experienced than you. 505 00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:54,600 There are a master at their craft. 506 00:29:54,700 --> 00:29:55,600 That's right. Good. 507 00:29:55,900 --> 00:30:00,900 So they can give you the feedback that you need and you 508 00:30:00,900 --> 00:30:04,200 know because again like we said this is the final output. 509 00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:08,500 So that's why I choose to always get a master Engineer and I 510 00:30:08,500 --> 00:30:12,500 don't Master my own stuff to maybe take your mix in, in for a 511 00:30:12,508 --> 00:30:14,900 consultation. Is this something that you can 512 00:30:14,900 --> 00:30:17,800 master and work with? Or is there something that you 513 00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:19,900 would change or even recommend, you know? 514 00:30:19,900 --> 00:30:23,400 Or is there something that you just can't work with that sin? 515 00:30:23,500 --> 00:30:27,500 This makes you don't have een and then fix those or make make 516 00:30:27,500 --> 00:30:30,900 the appropriate changes and then go back for the actual mastering 517 00:30:30,900 --> 00:30:32,900 process. And like you said, can it, you 518 00:30:32,900 --> 00:30:36,100 know, that's a learning. That's a, that's an education 519 00:30:36,100 --> 00:30:37,600 right there with the mastering engineer. 520 00:30:37,700 --> 00:30:39,600 Engineer whose experience says, okay. 521 00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:42,100 Y'all master your project but, you know, here's a few 522 00:30:42,100 --> 00:30:46,300 recommendations, you might want to go back and enhance or change 523 00:30:46,300 --> 00:30:48,700 or whatever before I actually Master the project, that's a 524 00:30:48,708 --> 00:30:53,700 really good experience. Yeah, and that I think is a 525 00:30:53,700 --> 00:30:59,400 great way of segue into actually releasing your record because my 526 00:30:59,700 --> 00:31:05,400 philosophy on taking that last step in audio production because 527 00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:07,000 it's like, putting the nail in the coffin. 528 00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:10,500 Like this is On once you get your thing mastered, there's no 529 00:31:10,500 --> 00:31:12,100 going back right, you? Okay? 530 00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:17,600 Unless you want to pay that again, you don't and it's just 531 00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:20,400 not worth it at a certain point. You got to say this is done, 532 00:31:20,500 --> 00:31:24,600 right? So once you get everything done 533 00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:27,000 with mastering now, it's like okay. 534 00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:29,500 Now what do I do? I got to put it out there, 535 00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:33,300 right? And Jason you and I we were 536 00:31:33,300 --> 00:31:37,200 looking at the riaa. For those of you who don't know 537 00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:42,000 it, The riaa are the basically, the folks who put out, who gets 538 00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:44,400 a gold record, who gets a platinum record. 539 00:31:45,100 --> 00:31:48,100 They're involved with like Arts of the Grammys and all that kind 540 00:31:48,100 --> 00:31:51,100 of stuff too. But the riaa has some really, 541 00:31:51,100 --> 00:31:54,100 really interesting points that I think are really important to 542 00:31:54,200 --> 00:32:00,200 note one. Eighty four percent of midpoint 543 00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:08,000 2022, sales were all streaming Wilder and only 10% only Sent 544 00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:10,200 were physical like, you know, CDs and by now. 545 00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:12,300 But we'll get into breakdown of that real quick, too. 546 00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:16,200 Yeah, guys 2022. I mean, 84% and we all know that 547 00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:17,900 streaming doesn't pay a whole lot. 548 00:32:17,900 --> 00:32:23,000 I released through CD baby, you know, I'm always, I'm grateful 549 00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:25,000 for whatever, right? I'm grateful, but I still want 550 00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:27,400 to continue to get better. But you know, when you get those 551 00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:30,100 checks in the mail or the deposits rather, you're like 552 00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:32,100 wait a minute. This all these people, listen to 553 00:32:32,100 --> 00:32:35,900 my music but I only got this is random car. 554 00:32:35,900 --> 00:32:39,500 Now, let me just bring this up. As I use, I do believe people 555 00:32:39,500 --> 00:32:42,200 still buy CDs and vinyl your hardcore fans will do that. 556 00:32:42,500 --> 00:32:46,500 Let me just bring this up about digital though about streaming. 557 00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:48,500 It was someone goes to buy your album. 558 00:32:48,500 --> 00:32:49,800 They buy it. That's it. 559 00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:52,300 You got paid. You never get paid for that one. 560 00:32:52,300 --> 00:32:55,100 Purchase again you can sell more CD's vinyl or whatever. 561 00:32:55,100 --> 00:32:57,300 Right. But you don't get paid from that 562 00:32:57,300 --> 00:33:01,800 particular sale which was streaming if there's a good side 563 00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:07,300 of it is that it's always out there to continue increasing if 564 00:33:07,300 --> 00:33:10,000 you If you push it. So, I think at the end of the 565 00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:12,600 day, it's really all up to you and how much work you do. 566 00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:15,100 In other words, don't just put something out there and like, 567 00:33:15,100 --> 00:33:18,200 oh, nobody's listening. Well, I you're not pushing it or 568 00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:20,500 you're not pushing it correctly, or you're not pushing it to the 569 00:33:20,500 --> 00:33:22,400 Right audience, and that's probably a different 570 00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:26,600 conversation for another time. Can, but again, 84%, yeah, this 571 00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:28,900 this is an important statistic, right? 572 00:33:28,900 --> 00:33:31,900 We can't ignore that. People are streaming all the 573 00:33:31,900 --> 00:33:38,100 time, all the time. We have to just kind of Dove 574 00:33:38,100 --> 00:33:40,300 understand that that's where the industry is going. 575 00:33:40,300 --> 00:33:43,500 And that's why I like to look at some of these Revenue statistics 576 00:33:43,500 --> 00:33:48,100 with the music industry because it's showing the trends and we 577 00:33:48,100 --> 00:33:51,200 can't, you know, it's like it's if you can't beat them, you got 578 00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:55,800 to join them in this industry for this particular situation, 579 00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:59,000 we cannot ignore that, people want things to be streamed. 580 00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:03,500 So and, you know, there are some benefits to streaming, right? 581 00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:06,400 Actually you get higher quality, audio is streaming. 582 00:34:06,500 --> 00:34:09,600 That's a big Part of it. That's one of the reasons why I 583 00:34:09,607 --> 00:34:13,500 love streaming because I actually get lossless audio now 584 00:34:13,500 --> 00:34:19,400 we're, you know, a, while ago CD was like, the better choice. 585 00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:23,500 It was the same, you know, kind of quality but now CDs are 586 00:34:23,500 --> 00:34:27,400 actually inferior in quality to streaming and Rosie. 587 00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:32,500 Dude, you can't you can't get the same sort of yeah, output on 588 00:34:32,500 --> 00:34:35,900 a CD versus what you do now. So that's a big reason. 589 00:34:35,900 --> 00:34:40,800 Why CDs Or just kind of dying in a way because you're talking 590 00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:44,400 about a digital product, right? A digital product, the same file 591 00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:47,699 can be found elsewhere. But now on this medium it's 592 00:34:47,699 --> 00:34:50,500 actually inferior to what's being put on the other 593 00:34:50,500 --> 00:34:53,300 platforms. So yeah, CDs are going to die 594 00:34:53,300 --> 00:34:55,800 and people are buying CDs, mostly. 595 00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:57,400 Because I think it's paraphernalia. 596 00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:00,700 It's just something that they can, they can buy that, you 597 00:35:00,707 --> 00:35:02,900 know, supports the band, but they could also display it in 598 00:35:02,908 --> 00:35:06,500 their home as something that they like and expresses himself. 599 00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:12,600 But That just brings us more to vinyl which has been over the 600 00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:16,800 years increasing like tenfold. It's kind of insane. 601 00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:22,200 We have more people buying vinyl than ever today at since the 602 00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:24,200 80s. We actually broke records from 603 00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:27,800 the 80s if you didn't know. So more people, there are 604 00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:31,300 getting their hands on vinyl which makes us, you know, have 605 00:35:31,300 --> 00:35:35,700 to consider. Hey why not get final or our 606 00:35:35,700 --> 00:35:39,500 music but that also comes With some preparation, right? 607 00:35:39,500 --> 00:35:44,600 You can't just take your digital master and just put that on 608 00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:47,100 vinyl. You have you, do you know the 609 00:35:47,100 --> 00:35:50,800 reason why? Because grooves, right? 610 00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:55,800 The grooves in the vinyl have so much only a finite amount of 611 00:35:55,800 --> 00:36:00,600 space and all of the stuff that we put with our digital Masters. 612 00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:03,700 They're so loud. They're so loud. 613 00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:07,200 That if you put it on vinyl, you're more likely to get skips 614 00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:08,200 on that. Record. 615 00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:16,800 So we have to actually take the original mix that we did and 616 00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:20,200 remaster it for vinyl specifically so that we don't 617 00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:23,800 get any of those skips that I was saying with the digital 618 00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:26,800 master that we would get so vinyl. 619 00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:29,400 Mastering is its own thing and that's another cause. 620 00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:31,500 So though another process are completely. 621 00:36:31,500 --> 00:36:34,200 So it's mastering times to you've got your mask on for 622 00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:36,100 digital release and you've got a whole completely different 623 00:36:36,100 --> 00:36:39,200 Master for your vinyl. That's Interesting dude. 624 00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:43,500 Yeah you have to you have to consider it in that sense. 625 00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:47,300 You don't want to just take your digital master and just put that 626 00:36:47,300 --> 00:36:49,300 on vinyl. It's not it's not going to work 627 00:36:49,300 --> 00:36:53,300 out as well so that is a big consideration for a lot of 628 00:36:53,308 --> 00:36:59,300 people and it's kind of putting us in a corner where yeah we're 629 00:36:59,300 --> 00:37:03,500 becoming more independent in this industry release hero music 630 00:37:03,500 --> 00:37:06,600 and stuff like that and then you see this thing about vinyl and 631 00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:09,000 people are like oh that's I guess that's He just, it's 632 00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:12,400 another medium, we can add to it, but no, it's actually an 633 00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:16,200 entirely separate process. And if you want it to be done, 634 00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:18,800 right? You're going to have to cough up 635 00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:23,600 that investment for it. So something to think about, in 636 00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:28,900 the future where if you really want hardcore fans and people 637 00:37:28,900 --> 00:37:31,700 who are hardcore fans and they buying vinyl, they're willing to 638 00:37:31,700 --> 00:37:33,900 pay more that the statistics show it. 639 00:37:34,300 --> 00:37:38,100 So, it might be something that's worthwhile. 640 00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:44,300 People tend to have these waves with these mediums and Trends, 641 00:37:44,300 --> 00:37:47,700 you know, I don't know if CD will ever come back as it was 642 00:37:47,700 --> 00:37:50,400 before because it's just a digital copy, right? 643 00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:54,800 So it's an inferior digital copy at this point but I don't know 644 00:37:55,300 --> 00:37:57,200 vinyl because it's a different medium. 645 00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:00,300 It's it's got a bit of History to it. 646 00:38:00,300 --> 00:38:06,100 It's it's Legacy, right? And then there's also the act of 647 00:38:06,300 --> 00:38:11,200 using vinyl you Are dedicating time to listening to music. 648 00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:14,400 You're making listening to music and activity again which is 649 00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:19,500 something that you guys were always doing but now you see and 650 00:38:19,500 --> 00:38:22,500 you're like all the kids there they're finally discovering this 651 00:38:22,500 --> 00:38:26,100 stuff and it's like hello. This is what we've been doing 652 00:38:26,100 --> 00:38:29,300 the whole time. So I always thought that was 653 00:38:29,300 --> 00:38:32,000 kind of funny. It's a different experience can 654 00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:34,100 you know, like I'm just imagining right now. 655 00:38:34,100 --> 00:38:37,100 There's so so those everybody listening just close your eyes 656 00:38:37,100 --> 00:38:38,300 for a second. Imagine. 657 00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:42,000 You walk into this room, this living room or bedroom? 658 00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:45,200 Whatever, it may be. You've got a nice comfy chair. 659 00:38:45,700 --> 00:38:48,500 You got a little end table there with a cup of coffee, maybe a 660 00:38:48,500 --> 00:38:52,800 craft beer, maybe T, whatever you know, it's ready for you and 661 00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:58,300 you walk over to this area where all your records are you pull 662 00:38:58,300 --> 00:39:03,000 and out you you touch it man you got this this cover you pulled 663 00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:06,200 out the record, you pull out the vinyl, you put it on that 664 00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:08,800 player. Put the needle on You just 665 00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:11,900 skills, sit back and relax. And now you're listening. 666 00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:16,500 You can open your eyes now, guys, that I think that is, I 667 00:39:16,500 --> 00:39:18,000 don't know. It's a different experience. 668 00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:20,400 I think I think most of, you know what I'm talking about, 669 00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:24,000 just a different experience than just having your headphones on 670 00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:26,800 and punching in the next song, and I'm going to skip this one. 671 00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:29,700 Go to the next, right? So I don't know it. 672 00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:33,100 I think it's worth looking into. If you're going to release your 673 00:39:33,100 --> 00:39:35,600 music, it's active music listening. 674 00:39:36,300 --> 00:39:37,800 Exactly. Yeah, exactly what you say. 675 00:39:37,900 --> 00:39:41,400 It's not Not, it's not passive, it's not going on the subway, or 676 00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:45,200 in your car, and just putting it on just to have time passed by. 677 00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:52,100 It's getting to put yourself in a position where you're actively 678 00:39:52,100 --> 00:39:57,500 listening to music and that is just, it's a separate event and 679 00:39:57,500 --> 00:40:01,100 I love that, I love what vinyl does for people when it when 680 00:40:01,100 --> 00:40:06,900 were talking about that. So we're now we've got okay, so 681 00:40:06,900 --> 00:40:09,600 you've got streaming, you've Vinyl now. 682 00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:12,700 It's like, okay, how do you get the word out? 683 00:40:12,700 --> 00:40:15,700 Well, Jay Sammy. There's a couple ways and, you 684 00:40:15,700 --> 00:40:19,600 know, us as people in metal Mastermind, were always at kind 685 00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:23,200 of like the Forefront of what's the industry doing right now, 686 00:40:23,500 --> 00:40:24,900 right? We're on YouTube. 687 00:40:24,900 --> 00:40:27,200 We're on Facebook, we're on social media. 688 00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:31,300 We're exploring these different options and I know you've got a 689 00:40:31,300 --> 00:40:34,400 lot to say about what it takes to Market your music. 690 00:40:34,700 --> 00:40:38,300 But let's talk about when you are established. 691 00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:42,800 Establishing culture and community that I feel is one of 692 00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:47,700 the most important things in creating a brand for music, 693 00:40:47,700 --> 00:40:49,900 right? So, can you talk a little bit 694 00:40:49,900 --> 00:40:52,300 about that? And what that's been like for 695 00:40:52,300 --> 00:40:53,900 you? Because you are a great example 696 00:40:53,900 --> 00:40:58,200 of something like this. It's almost magical and I never 697 00:40:58,300 --> 00:41:01,300 envisioned it happening. Like it is, you know, and it's 698 00:41:01,300 --> 00:41:03,400 not like I'm some big shot, right? 699 00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:06,800 I'm sitting right now on my YouTube channel where I think 700 00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:10,700 I've have a belt I think I have about sixty three thousand 701 00:41:10,700 --> 00:41:13,000 subscribers. Not a ton, you've got people 702 00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:16,200 with hundreds of thousands and even Millions, but if you can 703 00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:20,500 establish some kind of platform whether it be on another social 704 00:41:20,500 --> 00:41:24,500 media platform or wherever your reach is wherever you, feel your 705 00:41:24,500 --> 00:41:27,800 audience is and just be yourself. 706 00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:30,300 Just be you. And I think the most important 707 00:41:30,300 --> 00:41:34,500 thing is to give value. If it's your music we're talking 708 00:41:34,500 --> 00:41:37,200 about, you don't want to just say, hey, I just dropped my 709 00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:39,200 latest track go. Oh, check it out. 710 00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:41,200 Well why would somebody go check it out? 711 00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:44,600 They've got a gazillion other songs and bands like a check out 712 00:41:44,700 --> 00:41:49,300 so you have to establish a connection with folks right? 713 00:41:49,900 --> 00:41:54,400 And that's more than just the music a lot of times it's giving 714 00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:57,700 value like I talked about earlier which we strive to do on 715 00:41:57,700 --> 00:41:59,400 metal Mastermind. Hey, our YouTube channel 716 00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:04,400 starting to grow now too, you know, so we strive to give value 717 00:42:05,300 --> 00:42:10,000 and the result of that is people To purchasing our courses on 718 00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:12,900 metal Mastermind.com, right because we've created this 719 00:42:12,900 --> 00:42:16,100 community here, you know we have a Discord, we've got all kind of 720 00:42:16,107 --> 00:42:18,500 stuff out there, got a lot of stuff coming down the pipe to. 721 00:42:18,500 --> 00:42:21,000 I don't want to get into it right now, but it's all about 722 00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:24,100 establishing, you know, your own community and I'll just say 723 00:42:24,100 --> 00:42:27,900 this, you know, there there are, there are fans. 724 00:42:27,900 --> 00:42:31,200 There are subscribers that are followers for every single 725 00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:36,400 person in this world, you have an audience, you just have to, 726 00:42:36,500 --> 00:42:38,600 you have to kind of attract. Them. 727 00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:41,600 I don't even want to say create the audience, you attract them 728 00:42:41,900 --> 00:42:46,000 by what you're putting out, but if there's one thing I will say, 729 00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:50,000 just remember to always give some sort of value Beyond just 730 00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:51,800 your music because that's going to be. 731 00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:53,800 The reason that people listen to your music. 732 00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:55,600 What? I'll what I'll end on and that 733 00:42:55,600 --> 00:43:00,300 note, as I'll say this, that they don't necessarily even buy 734 00:43:00,300 --> 00:43:04,000 your music, they do, okay, think the Music's Got to Be Good. 735 00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:08,000 Make no mistake, it's got to be good as got to be produced as 736 00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:09,800 well. Well, the songwriting has to be 737 00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:14,000 good, right? But beyond that your audience, 738 00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:18,700 they don't really buy the vinyl to CD this or that they buy into 739 00:43:18,700 --> 00:43:21,100 you. They buy into the relationship 740 00:43:21,100 --> 00:43:22,900 in the connection that you've established with them. 741 00:43:23,900 --> 00:43:28,100 That is so important to understand and you hit the nail 742 00:43:28,100 --> 00:43:30,100 right on the head. Yeah I'm hitting it with these 743 00:43:30,100 --> 00:43:34,300 analogies today so yeah you've got mildewed. 744 00:43:34,300 --> 00:43:37,900 Yeah you've got it really you know right there man because 745 00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:42,200 Being a modern musician today and releasing your album to the 746 00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:45,200 world is more than just doing the music itself. 747 00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:50,600 It's all about the, you have to be a true Entertainer all around 748 00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:54,800 you and you can, you know, inform your audience. 749 00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:58,200 You can Inspire your audience or you can entertain them, those 750 00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:02,600 are key elements of being, you know, a content creator. 751 00:44:02,900 --> 00:44:04,100 And that's what it really is, right? 752 00:44:04,100 --> 00:44:06,800 You have to be multifaceted in this case. 753 00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:10,400 Now, you have to be able to To diversify your income being a 754 00:44:10,900 --> 00:44:13,600 musician nowadays is not just living off of your music. 755 00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:18,700 It's also making you know deals elsewhere investing and you know 756 00:44:18,700 --> 00:44:23,000 working here to make a buck and just making sure that you have 757 00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:26,500 more income streams and not relying on. 758 00:44:26,500 --> 00:44:31,000 Just one thing. If you're at a position where 759 00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:34,200 you are let's say you're only stuck at a job and that's the 760 00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:38,200 only thing you've ever done that can be very difficult. 761 00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:40,600 Or someone to break into the music industry. 762 00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:43,000 Because this is the entire income stream that they're 763 00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:47,600 relying on all, I would say to that is just have patience 764 00:44:47,700 --> 00:44:52,500 because it just comes with time, there's no shortcut in the music 765 00:44:52,500 --> 00:44:54,300 industry. I mean, yes, you can be an 766 00:44:54,300 --> 00:44:57,100 overnight success with a viral video or something like that, 767 00:44:57,100 --> 00:45:01,300 but at the end of that, you're actually looking at somebody's 768 00:45:01,300 --> 00:45:04,100 work, who's been working at something for a long time? 769 00:45:04,500 --> 00:45:07,800 And most of the time, it's a 10-year. 770 00:45:08,300 --> 00:45:13,800 Night success story. So people in the music industry 771 00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:16,400 who have been working all their lives, they don't even see a 772 00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:20,700 dime of a return on investment. There are always, you know, 773 00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:25,300 expending income to make it happen until you know some point 774 00:45:25,300 --> 00:45:28,300 it actually starts working out for them and it could be in a 775 00:45:28,300 --> 00:45:30,900 different way that they didn't expect before. 776 00:45:31,300 --> 00:45:35,100 So you just have to be very, very cautious and very aware 777 00:45:35,300 --> 00:45:41,400 that doing the Indie music. Ian is going to be at minimum a 778 00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:44,700 10-year effort, and you have to commit to that. 779 00:45:44,900 --> 00:45:50,000 You have to say, my music. What I do with my music is 780 00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:53,000 solely because I feel it must be done. 781 00:45:53,500 --> 00:45:57,500 I have to go and make this happen, because if I don't, I 782 00:45:57,508 --> 00:46:02,000 will live the rest of my life with regret and that has to be 783 00:46:02,300 --> 00:46:08,100 part of your core, your or Mission, and going out there. 784 00:46:08,300 --> 00:46:12,800 And having to go and Market yourself, you have to do it 785 00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:18,000 because at your core, this is something that must be seen by 786 00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:21,400 the world. If you have any sense of Doubt 787 00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:24,300 of like, oh, I'm doing it because I think I can make money 788 00:46:24,300 --> 00:46:26,900 in music, you're doing it for the wrong reasons, right? 789 00:46:27,300 --> 00:46:30,100 You're not doing it because of that, you're doing it because 790 00:46:30,107 --> 00:46:33,700 you're have this Mission, but you also understand that. 791 00:46:33,700 --> 00:46:36,600 Yes, this is a product at the same time. 792 00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:40,700 So you have to Make it a business for yourself and a lot 793 00:46:40,700 --> 00:46:44,200 of people will do a root that you know, a traditional route. 794 00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:45,700 That is actually been modernized. 795 00:46:45,700 --> 00:46:48,100 In many ways now is actually doing a press release. 796 00:46:48,500 --> 00:46:53,200 You can use a press release with the same artists that are, you 797 00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:56,700 know, Big Time shots. You know, you know, like you can 798 00:46:56,700 --> 00:46:59,900 get a lot of stuff. Done with a press release 799 00:46:59,900 --> 00:47:03,200 company that works for other artists, similar to yours and 800 00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:08,100 that can help you get album reviews, you know, being the 801 00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:11,200 Spotlight for several different people. 802 00:47:11,500 --> 00:47:14,000 And that could be a great way to start building. 803 00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:19,200 Also your own audience as well, so, but in combination with 804 00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:24,000 that, right, you have your album release, you've set up a PR 805 00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:27,200 Campaign, which I would recommend doing something for, 806 00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:29,800 you know, I don't know. Like at least 3 months, right? 807 00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:34,600 Have some runway for yourself to give you some time, but use em. 808 00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:36,200 You can just Google search these guys. 809 00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:41,100 You literally say, you know, Arch Enemy PR Company, right? 810 00:47:41,700 --> 00:47:43,500 Have you open a spreadsheet to yeah? 811 00:47:44,900 --> 00:47:47,000 Yeah. Or even just put your John ra 812 00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:50,400 metal PR Company or something like that, right? 813 00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:52,100 Like have a spreadsheet. Look at. 814 00:47:52,100 --> 00:47:55,600 And compare which ones you think are going to work for you and 815 00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:58,600 call them, right? And see whether or not. 816 00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:01,500 There's somebody on the other line who actually will attend to 817 00:48:01,500 --> 00:48:03,600 you. These are all things that you 818 00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:09,100 want to do, and you want to make sure that your your Eject right 819 00:48:09,100 --> 00:48:12,300 eye, it's finished. You don't want to have a 820 00:48:12,300 --> 00:48:16,300 lingering thing like, oh man, I still got to get this master, 821 00:48:16,300 --> 00:48:17,900 but I want to start doing PR, right? 822 00:48:17,900 --> 00:48:21,000 I mean like don't put the cart before the horse, have a product 823 00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:24,400 ready because when you got that now you can just focus on that 824 00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:29,900 and your album releases all that's on your mind and take 825 00:48:29,900 --> 00:48:31,400 priority for these things, right? 826 00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:33,600 We're we work in Seasons as musicians. 827 00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:38,600 We work with with composing then it's time to produce and Time to 828 00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:41,800 release. So, that's a big part of all of 829 00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:46,600 this and take take care with your mental health. 830 00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:50,200 On all of this, it can be overwhelming, but understand 831 00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:54,300 things, come with time and you need some patience, but I don't 832 00:48:54,300 --> 00:48:55,700 know. Jason, when it comes to that 833 00:48:55,700 --> 00:48:58,200 really Guns, N Roses fun. Yes. 834 00:48:58,700 --> 00:49:03,000 When that when that release comes man if it feels like 835 00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:06,800 everything happens so fast it does. 836 00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:09,000 Yeah. I mean but You know what, I want 837 00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:12,300 to just back up just a second. You know you can if you want to 838 00:49:12,300 --> 00:49:15,400 be a full-time musician guys you can will have to, we don't have 839 00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:17,800 time today but we'll do another segment if you guys want to hear 840 00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:20,400 that. So look for that, I'm sure. 841 00:49:20,500 --> 00:49:22,500 I'm I see everybody nodding yes right now. 842 00:49:22,500 --> 00:49:25,800 I can I can see them on the other end of the headphones do 843 00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:29,000 it, but there are, there are plenty of ways to make an income 844 00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:32,300 as a musician, especially these days, that weren't available, 845 00:49:32,300 --> 00:49:35,500 you know, 30 40 years ago, when I was when I was younger. 846 00:49:35,900 --> 00:49:39,300 So that's how I'm able to do it. Full-time musician. 847 00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:42,200 A lot of you know about three little over four years ago. 848 00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:46,000 Now I left my corporate job out of very good position at a huge 849 00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:49,100 corporation. I don't want to say it was 850 00:49:49,100 --> 00:49:52,500 cushy, but, you know, there was a sense of security there and 851 00:49:52,500 --> 00:49:56,700 had a really, really good paying job, you know, with everything I 852 00:49:56,700 --> 00:50:00,600 walked away and I walked away for a very specific purpose and 853 00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:05,600 I knew what I needed to be doing full time with my life. 854 00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:07,200 Course, I work more than full-time. 855 00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:10,000 It feels like I have like Six different jobs because again, 856 00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:11,600 there are multiple sources is something. 857 00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:13,700 We'll cover. We'll cover that in another 858 00:50:13,700 --> 00:50:17,300 podcast because I do want to talk to Dad because some of you 859 00:50:17,300 --> 00:50:21,300 might be saying, well, if I can't just go all in and I won't 860 00:50:21,300 --> 00:50:24,000 do it at all but I don't necessarily want you think like 861 00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:26,900 that you know hold on to your gig and not all of your like 862 00:50:26,900 --> 00:50:28,700 that but I do know. Some of you are like that. 863 00:50:28,700 --> 00:50:32,000 I kind of have that mentality. Sometimes I'm all-in or non, you 864 00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:35,400 know, my wife, she helps keep the balance for me. 865 00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:38,800 So that that's a good thing but there are To do it. 866 00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:41,300 They're always to start out with the part-time income and lead 867 00:50:41,300 --> 00:50:43,300 into full-time income. So we'll cover that in another 868 00:50:43,300 --> 00:50:45,400 session. But again, this has been a, this 869 00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:49,000 has been a good chat today. Very good chat today, man. 870 00:50:49,300 --> 00:50:50,400 A lot of. Yeah, Kate is here. 871 00:50:51,100 --> 00:50:55,500 Oh, totally. And what we have for everybody 872 00:50:55,500 --> 00:50:59,700 out on, metal, Mastermind, our resources, wherever you are in 873 00:50:59,700 --> 00:51:03,700 that process, we are here to try and guide you through that. 874 00:51:03,900 --> 00:51:06,500 So that's one of the beautiful things that we offer. 875 00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:09,300 It's not just, you know, do one thing or another. 876 00:51:09,300 --> 00:51:13,400 We have a variety of resources for the modern metal musician 877 00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:15,700 producer. I'll highlight our Flagship 878 00:51:15,700 --> 00:51:17,300 course real quick. 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