1 00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:11,540 Folks, welcome to another episode of Metal Mastermind, Co 2 00:00:11,540 --> 00:00:13,080 founder and Co host Jason Stallworth. 3 00:00:13,080 --> 00:00:16,200 Also with me, Co founder of Metal Mastermind and Co host The 4 00:00:16,200 --> 00:00:18,960 Great. Ken Candelas I always appreciate 5 00:00:18,960 --> 00:00:21,320 when you say the great Ken Candelas. 6 00:00:21,360 --> 00:00:25,120 That's always an honor. It just sounds like a royal 7 00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:27,960 thing, like a cool, you know, I don't know, like we're Knights 8 00:00:27,960 --> 00:00:30,080 and kings and stuff like that and hey. 9 00:00:30,760 --> 00:00:33,000 You know, that's kind of funny because I, I saw a video 10 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:38,600 recently, it was on the Wired, I think, and it was about how do 11 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:42,400 you address a king and queen? And it's always the first time 12 00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:44,520 you meet them or you, you address them. 13 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:48,480 It's always your majesty. But every time after that, it is 14 00:00:48,480 --> 00:00:53,720 more proper to say Sir or ma'am. After that, you don't just keep 15 00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:55,960 saying Your Majesty, Your Majesty, Your Majesty. 16 00:00:56,280 --> 00:00:58,040 Yeah. Which if I didn't know that, I 17 00:00:58,040 --> 00:01:00,800 probably would. That's true. 18 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:03,600 And that's a lot of syllables, majesty, when it's only three. 19 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:05,600 But yes, I guess it's better. Sir, ma'am. 20 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:08,480 Or, or back in the day, my Lord, or something like that, you 21 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:10,520 know. Well, and it's only specifically 22 00:01:10,520 --> 00:01:14,000 to a king and queen, don't you? You, when you say it to like a 23 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:15,760 Lord or say you say Your Highness. 24 00:01:16,440 --> 00:01:19,280 So you don't say Your Highness to a king or queen, you say Your 25 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:21,600 Majesty, that would be insulting to them. 26 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:25,680 Things you don't know, right? It's because we're an American, 27 00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:27,480 right? We we say screw it to the kings 28 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:30,040 and Queens and the aristocracy. So yeah. 29 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:32,960 It is what it is. That's why we are where we are. 30 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:37,600 That is why, dude. Well, guys, we have some cool 31 00:01:37,600 --> 00:01:39,640 stuff coming up for you today. We're actually going to talk 32 00:01:39,640 --> 00:01:42,160 about Ken and I both are going to talk about some things in our 33 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:44,920 recent albums. Ken, I know you got a big 34 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:48,520 release coming up here in in September, September 20th, the 35 00:01:48,520 --> 00:01:52,440 Homeric circle of dead children. I just had a release over Cometh 36 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:56,240 under my, you know, solo name Jason Stallworth me back in 37 00:01:56,240 --> 00:01:59,840 December of 2023. And we were talking before the 38 00:01:59,840 --> 00:02:02,840 podcast as we always do. We pretty much like, we're like, 39 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:04,920 why don't we just press record when we're having this 40 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:07,880 conversation earlier? But we want to share. 41 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:11,000 I don't want to say failures and I don't even want to say 42 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:15,120 mistakes, but things that if we had to go back and do these over 43 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:18,960 again, what are some things we may have changed now before we 44 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:22,480 get into this, I don't want this to be like, OK, well we're going 45 00:02:22,480 --> 00:02:24,960 to beat ourselves up because we made mistakes and I wish I could 46 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:29,040 do things differently, but more so a lesson for going forward. 47 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:32,040 It's like, OK, I did this, I'm OK with it. 48 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:33,680 It's done. Can't can't go back. 49 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:35,240 You know, we can't turn back the clock, right? 50 00:02:35,640 --> 00:02:39,640 But how am I going to approach the next project, the next album 51 00:02:39,640 --> 00:02:41,520 or what? Guys, whatever you're doing in 52 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:45,520 life, you know, we like to to talk about things that can 53 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:48,480 benefit you as a musician and as a guitar player, as a singer, 54 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:51,400 drummer, bassist, whatever you do, songwriter, but also 55 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:55,040 concepts you can carry into really every aspect of your life 56 00:02:55,400 --> 00:02:57,480 and just make it better. That's why we're here. 57 00:02:57,600 --> 00:03:00,680 It's what we're all about. South Ken do tough question. 58 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:03,160 We got a lot of other topics too. 59 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:04,400 We're covering this going to help you guys. 60 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:08,320 But tough question dude, because this album's not even released 61 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:11,240 yet, so we shouldn't even be asking these types of questions. 62 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:14,760 But is there anything? Is there like one, maybe even 63 00:03:14,760 --> 00:03:19,200 two things that if you had to do over again, is there something 64 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:20,480 that you would have done differently? 65 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:24,880 Oh man, over the course of the 10 years that I've been making 66 00:03:24,880 --> 00:03:27,760 this damn thing. Maybe not take so long, right? 67 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:32,920 No. One, well, definitely better 68 00:03:32,920 --> 00:03:37,600 people to be around. That is the biggest one, but 69 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:45,400 probably choosing to hire out for specific things along the 70 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:48,040 way. I, I think I took a little bit 71 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:52,720 too much on my own and you know, that could be just because I was 72 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:55,840 being a control freak about everything, but learning to let 73 00:03:55,840 --> 00:04:01,520 go of that a little bit and just trust in paying people to get 74 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:05,200 certain things that you want out of it so that you could focus on 75 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:10,120 bigger, more important aspects. I probably could have done also 76 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:15,920 a little bit more with how I presented the material a little 77 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:20,720 bit, But I mean that that's kind of a double sided sword with it 78 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:24,920 because at one side it's, oh, you could have done this, but 79 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:27,640 the other side is, well, I didn't know about that. 80 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:31,840 So there's a, there's a whole con, you know, conflict about 81 00:04:31,840 --> 00:04:34,760 that. I feel, though in the grand 82 00:04:34,760 --> 00:04:38,440 scheme of things, you know, you just do what you can, you do the 83 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:42,240 best you can, right. And, you know, over the course 84 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:45,840 of the years, of course, things like in my studio, you know, 85 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:49,840 gear get better, my monitors or, you know, the best monitors I've 86 00:04:49,840 --> 00:04:53,280 ever had in my life now. And yeah, I hear the problems in 87 00:04:53,280 --> 00:04:57,440 my mix more. And it's like, OK, well it's 88 00:04:57,440 --> 00:04:59,480 out. So there's nothing I'm going to 89 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:01,800 do about that. So but you just kind of live 90 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:04,600 with that and move on. I'm just honestly happy that 91 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:09,560 it's even getting out there. So we can only do what we can 92 00:05:09,760 --> 00:05:12,760 and just enjoy the journey. So what about you? 93 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:16,680 That's a very, I, I like what you said though, about hiring 94 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:19,240 certain things out. And you know, some, some of you 95 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:21,760 guys listening, you might not think you have the money to do 96 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:24,920 it, but you know, honestly, if you, if you cut a few expenses 97 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:27,240 for like 3 months, you might be surprised. 98 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:30,640 Or if, or if you take on something extra, some side work 99 00:05:30,640 --> 00:05:33,080 or something like that, or do some freelancing, man, we, we 100 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:36,200 live in a world of, you know, entrepreneurs and freelances. 101 00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:39,960 Even if you have a job, a regular job to go to, you can 102 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:44,040 always find something else to do to make a little extra cash and 103 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:46,400 put that towards your music. And that's what a lot of us have 104 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:48,920 done. I mean, it can you know, our, 105 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:52,360 our job kind of as metal mastermind and you, you, of 106 00:05:52,360 --> 00:05:55,800 course, you still teach at university and I, I play live 107 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:58,360 solo gigs. So you and I both, we have a lot 108 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:01,880 going on, but we still find time and resources to put towards our 109 00:06:01,880 --> 00:06:05,200 own music as well. You know, we're not by any means 110 00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:07,880 like multimillionaires. Maybe someday we will be, who 111 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:09,640 knows? And there there would be nothing 112 00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:14,960 wrong if we were actually I, I think building wealth is, is a 113 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:16,840 great goal to have. Why not? 114 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:20,680 Don't let anyone let you make you feel guilty about wanting to 115 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:23,720 earn more money and building wealth and then doing that sort 116 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:25,280 of thing, right? That's a good thing. 117 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:28,800 The last thing you want to be is the opposite, where you're 118 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:31,840 dependent on other people or someone else. 119 00:06:31,840 --> 00:06:33,920 So anyway, that's another conversation. 120 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:37,240 But you know, a few things that I would have done differently 121 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:39,640 with Masterpiece. For one, I would not have mixed 122 00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:43,640 it myself, I think. I think that's always kind of a 123 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:47,080 weak area if you're creating music and then you're also 124 00:06:47,080 --> 00:06:49,720 mixing it. I know I did hire Nick Z to 125 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:52,040 master it. So I'm, you know, I've never 126 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:54,520 mastered my own work. I know nothing about mastering. 127 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:56,840 I don't really know a whole lot about mixing, if I'm going to be 128 00:06:56,840 --> 00:07:00,800 honest with you guys, but that that was 11 major flaw. 129 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:04,200 Another two other quick major flaws. 130 00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:07,280 For one, one thing I did right is I recorded my vocals in 131 00:07:07,280 --> 00:07:11,120 someone else's studio and meaning I had someone else. 132 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:14,440 They were, they were manning the console and doing all the stuff 133 00:07:14,440 --> 00:07:16,280 on the computer and in the studio itself. 134 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:18,640 And I could just focus on singing guys. 135 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:22,680 I cannot tell you how much stress that relieved as opposed 136 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:25,240 to sitting in my own studio trying to record vocals, hitting 137 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:27,160 the stop button, going back and blah, blah, blah. 138 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:30,800 The next time I record anything professionally, you know, you 139 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:32,400 always do the draft in your own studio. 140 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:35,440 But the next time I record guitars, vocals, anything, I'm 141 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:37,880 going to be somewhere else. Either see either a I'll be in 142 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:41,640 somebody else's studio or I'll have someone come to my studio 143 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:44,200 and man the console so I can just focus on the one thing. 144 00:07:44,200 --> 00:07:48,080 That's a very powerful lesson. I do wish I hadn't rushed 145 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:52,400 through the vocals and I don't know, I'll share why I did that. 146 00:07:52,760 --> 00:07:55,560 But I I basically recorded all the vocals like three times and 147 00:07:55,560 --> 00:08:00,040 took the best of the other thing that I did wrong. 148 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:03,280 I had all my guitar. Yeah, this is bad. 149 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:06,120 Well, this is not bad. OK, I don't Hey, I'll share this 150 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:08,520 real quick guys. So I I had all the guitar. 151 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:11,600 I recorded guitar tracks for this album multiple times. 152 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:15,280 I started out with a 7 string, but I just I was starting to 153 00:08:15,640 --> 00:08:17,680 like 7 string just wasn't me anymore. 154 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:19,800 I don't know it's you. A lot of you guys know my stock 155 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:21,160 up between the seven string and me. 156 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:25,720 So I re recorded everything with a six string and that had me 157 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:27,200 actually rewriting some of the songs. 158 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:30,560 Fine, no big deal. I finally recorded all the 159 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:34,000 guitar tracks with an EVH 5153 amplifier. 160 00:08:34,039 --> 00:08:36,840 The tone was just Immaculate. Perfect. 161 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:41,520 However, and some of you know, I, I had some sponsorships with 162 00:08:41,520 --> 00:08:43,440 certain products with Black Star last year. 163 00:08:43,640 --> 00:08:47,920 Well, I just got in a sponsorship with the HT Venue 164 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:50,640 Series MK3 amplifier. Great amplifier. 165 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:53,960 But I, I thought that well, and these are short term 166 00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:55,800 sponsorships. It's not like I'm sponsored by 167 00:08:55,800 --> 00:08:57,280 Black Star. It's a very short term, right? 168 00:08:57,280 --> 00:09:01,800 They're product based so I ended up re recording all the tracks, 169 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:05,640 my perfect guitar tracks with the Black Star amplifier because 170 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:07,320 I was kind of rushing to get this done. 171 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:11,000 I didn't mess around too much with mic placement so I'm not 172 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:13,480 100% happy with the tone. The amplifier itself gives a 173 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:16,520 great tone, but I I could have done a much better job in 174 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:19,480 dialing in a tone. Or even better yet guys, I 175 00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:22,160 should have just stuck with what I originally had recorded. 176 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:25,440 The reason I re record everything with Black Star, I 177 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:28,440 was thinking, well, maybe they'll help push my album. 178 00:09:29,320 --> 00:09:32,480 Yeah, hey, I rerecorded all the tracks with your amplifier and 179 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:35,440 nothing ever happened with that. So that was a very powerful 180 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:39,400 lesson learned. You know, go with what you have 181 00:09:39,400 --> 00:09:42,000 already have if. If it's already great, don't 182 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:44,600 redo it for the sake of you think this other thing might 183 00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:47,880 happen. Yeah, there's a, there's a 184 00:09:47,880 --> 00:09:52,240 really good proverb for that, which is, you know, you always 185 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:55,800 focus on the song. You know what's what does the 186 00:09:55,800 --> 00:09:59,680 song need in this case? And sometimes we can get very, 187 00:09:59,840 --> 00:10:03,680 you know, distracted by that because of circumstances and 188 00:10:03,680 --> 00:10:07,080 wanting to do things. And you know, either in this 189 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:12,480 case, you were trying to make a sponsor happy and that kind of 190 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:16,760 backfired a little bit on the longevity of your, of your song. 191 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:20,720 So, and in this case, you know, your, your music was, was great, 192 00:10:21,280 --> 00:10:24,920 but I remember you having your, your frustrations when making 193 00:10:24,920 --> 00:10:28,120 this album. We would, you know, as we do, we 194 00:10:28,120 --> 00:10:31,480 meet up every week and, you know, every now and then you'd 195 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:34,960 share and vocalize your, your frustrations of how your, your 196 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:39,000 album wasn't, you know, in a certain place at a certain time. 197 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:40,920 You're very passionate about that. 198 00:10:40,920 --> 00:10:45,640 You know before Overcometh you've written 4 albums if I'm. 199 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:46,520 Correct, right. So. 200 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:50,400 You know, and I remember you making masterpiece. 201 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:53,160 That was a great album, still a great album. 202 00:10:53,160 --> 00:10:54,440 I think it's one of your best ones. 203 00:10:54,720 --> 00:11:00,440 And in Overcometh, I, I felt that energy and perhaps 204 00:11:00,680 --> 00:11:03,880 Overcometh is, you know, part of that journey for you. 205 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:07,080 But we'll, you know, there's, there's always something that we 206 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:10,840 can take away from that, which is really the point of, of this 207 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:15,400 conversation is it's, it's important to reflect on what 208 00:11:15,400 --> 00:11:17,720 you're doing so that you can improve. 209 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:23,040 And yesterday was actually the last day of the semester for one 210 00:11:23,040 --> 00:11:26,160 of my classes. And I had this discussion with 211 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:30,520 my students too, which is, you know, to focus on, on making 212 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:34,160 great content and not to be too concerned about comparing 213 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:37,240 yourself because you, everybody's on their own Rd., 214 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:40,320 everybody has their own journey. So really you should only be 215 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:44,240 comparing yourself to yourself. And I asked them, I said, OK, 216 00:11:44,400 --> 00:11:47,000 you know, I know you have all these ambitions and it's easy to 217 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:49,600 look at what's now and what's in the what's in the future and 218 00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:53,560 what you want. But a year ago, did you improve 219 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:57,200 right from when you started, you know, your education at this 220 00:11:57,200 --> 00:11:59,840 place? And every one of them, every 221 00:11:59,840 --> 00:12:01,600 single one of them was like, yeah, I was. 222 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:03,600 Like. That's what matters. 223 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:06,280 That's what matters. You know that you're still 224 00:12:06,280 --> 00:12:09,840 moving forward, so it's important to look back, just 225 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:11,640 like you were saying in a sense, right? 226 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:16,960 It's a smaller mirror than the windshield that's in front of 227 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:19,480 you, right? So it's always important to keep 228 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:22,240 going forward. But, you know, look behind you 229 00:12:22,240 --> 00:12:24,440 every once in a while and remember where you were coming 230 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:26,160 from, right? Because you know there's 231 00:12:26,160 --> 00:12:28,120 something that's there behind you maybe you need to pay 232 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:30,760 attention to. And in this case, it's important 233 00:12:30,760 --> 00:12:33,840 to remember that you know, your efforts have built you to the 234 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:36,720 point and you'll learn from every single one of your 235 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:38,840 experiences in making an album, right? 236 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:41,760 I certainly learned a lot from making this album and my 237 00:12:41,760 --> 00:12:46,040 previous album and in between, you know, the releases of 238 00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:48,960 Homeric, the original self-titled album, and you know, 239 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:51,120 this upcoming the Circle of the children album. 240 00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:54,440 There's a ton of things that I've learned also now about 241 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:59,440 myself, but also about my skill sets, what I prioritize, what I 242 00:12:59,440 --> 00:13:02,400 want to do in life. Actually, the, this past week, 243 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:08,480 I, I decided to leave a solo group in order to prioritize, 244 00:13:09,160 --> 00:13:10,680 you know, my music a little bit more. 245 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:14,800 And, and I also talked to another friend of mine who was, 246 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:18,480 you know, doing a similar thing. And it's like, that's fantastic. 247 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:21,760 I'm so happy for you because you're choosing to elevate 248 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:25,720 yourself here. And we, we, we try to be, you 249 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:29,760 know, compassionate to others because especially in my case, 250 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:37,360 I'm, I was, I, I, I feel a sense of guilt when I get involved 251 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:41,800 musically with somebody and I want to leave because when I'm 252 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:46,440 in that position, I feel like my, my blood, my sweat, my 253 00:13:46,440 --> 00:13:50,400 tears, right? I'm doing a lot to elevate 254 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:54,920 somebody's music, especially if it's somebody who's who I'm 255 00:13:54,920 --> 00:13:57,840 close to, because, you know, I've been working with them for 256 00:13:57,840 --> 00:14:01,320 a while and I want to do the best that I can. 257 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:04,560 And I want to help them because I generally really do want, you 258 00:14:04,560 --> 00:14:09,000 know, people to, to, to grow. And I, I love seeing people's 259 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:13,720 music, you know, flourish, but that that takes a lot of energy 260 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:15,560 out of somebody. It it really does. 261 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:20,520 And you have to remember that, you know what their goals are 262 00:14:21,280 --> 00:14:24,760 and what your goals are. It's OK if they, they cross 263 00:14:24,760 --> 00:14:27,080 paths and they go in different ways. 264 00:14:27,840 --> 00:14:31,960 We don't obviously disrespect the other person for it. 265 00:14:31,960 --> 00:14:34,280 There's no reason to do that unless, of course, they did 266 00:14:34,280 --> 00:14:38,360 something that was horrible to you, which in my old case with 267 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:41,960 home Eric, it definitely was. But you know, with something 268 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:46,640 like this, this was very, this was actually beautiful, you 269 00:14:46,640 --> 00:14:50,760 know, parting of ways that we were actually so respectful to 270 00:14:50,760 --> 00:14:52,320 each other. We were like, oh, dude, like, 271 00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:56,040 you know, I'm glad you told me. I really don't want you to feel 272 00:14:56,040 --> 00:15:00,280 that way and I understand where you have to go was the was the 273 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:03,680 vibe. And that was like, Oh my God. 274 00:15:03,680 --> 00:15:07,440 Like I felt like this burden was lifted because you know what I 275 00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:10,480 was contributing to the project in many ways was actually 276 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:13,160 offering an entire rehearsal space here in my home. 277 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:17,600 I had played on the album as a drummer and you know, it's like, 278 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:19,680 you know, you feel like it's sort of duty to that right 279 00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:22,680 'cause it's like you're involved and it's like, well, after 280 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:26,560 playing with this person for like 5 years, you know, I'm not, 281 00:15:27,160 --> 00:15:29,000 you know, it's, it's hard to just pick up and go. 282 00:15:29,440 --> 00:15:32,800 So but I had to make the decision because at a certain 283 00:15:32,800 --> 00:15:35,360 point I was going to start focusing more on that than I 284 00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:40,360 wanted to really do on my side. And you know, those decisions do 285 00:15:40,360 --> 00:15:44,560 come up and you just again, try the best you can. 286 00:15:44,840 --> 00:15:50,800 But if you feel in a sense something similar to to either 287 00:15:50,800 --> 00:15:53,280 what I'm going through or what Jason has gone through when 288 00:15:53,280 --> 00:15:56,440 making over comment, that's just because we're human, right? 289 00:15:56,440 --> 00:16:00,760 We have our flaws. We're not perfect and we're not 290 00:16:00,760 --> 00:16:03,240 the most efficient things on the planet. 291 00:16:03,240 --> 00:16:06,240 We're not machines, you know, we don't make the right decisions 292 00:16:06,240 --> 00:16:10,040 every single time. So when we are trying to go on 293 00:16:10,040 --> 00:16:14,840 this path of creating our best work, there's a lot of zigzags 294 00:16:14,840 --> 00:16:17,280 and detours and all this kind of stuff. 295 00:16:17,280 --> 00:16:21,480 And what we would change or do anything better, you know, it's 296 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:23,240 all a learning process. And that's why we call it 297 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:25,800 wisdom. You know, I think that's a good 298 00:16:25,800 --> 00:16:29,240 point because I think your your best work really should just be 299 00:16:29,240 --> 00:16:32,400 your best at the time. You know, like I said, Ken, you 300 00:16:32,400 --> 00:16:34,360 might reflect, we've been talking about reflecting on some 301 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:38,240 things that OK, maybe would have done differently, you know, and 302 00:16:38,840 --> 00:16:41,640 by no means am I beating myself up about that, Ken, You know, 303 00:16:41,640 --> 00:16:43,720 you wish you would probably hired out some more things and 304 00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:46,360 of course you've got better gear now than you had a year ago, two 305 00:16:46,360 --> 00:16:49,640 years ago, whatever. But it I think it's about being 306 00:16:49,640 --> 00:16:53,920 our best at that point in time. And I want everybody to 307 00:16:53,920 --> 00:16:57,880 understand something that even putting your best out there, not 308 00:16:57,880 --> 00:17:01,280 everybody else is going to perceive it as your best. 309 00:17:01,280 --> 00:17:03,280 And they may not even perceive it as good. 310 00:17:03,280 --> 00:17:06,760 But you will have some people, if you pour your heart and soul 311 00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:10,000 into something and you do give it what you know to be your best 312 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:13,640 at that time, you will have people that will be fans of what 313 00:17:13,640 --> 00:17:16,000 you do. I can almost promise you that. 314 00:17:16,359 --> 00:17:20,040 And to me, it's not so much about trying to go after 315 00:17:20,040 --> 00:17:22,160 everybody. And again, I've, I've suffered 316 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:24,680 from this man. I, I've suffered from wanting 317 00:17:24,680 --> 00:17:27,520 everybody to like my music, even though most of the stuff is 318 00:17:27,520 --> 00:17:31,560 metal, you know, even even playing these live acoustic 319 00:17:31,560 --> 00:17:34,560 shows that do, I play 80s covers and I'll throw in some, I've 320 00:17:34,560 --> 00:17:36,000 written a lot of acoustic stuff too. 321 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:38,600 I'm considering doing an acoustic album at some point. 322 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:41,200 You know, that might not please the people that like my metal 323 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:43,840 stuff. I hope they like it, but you 324 00:17:43,840 --> 00:17:46,760 have to realize that whatever you're doing, not every, not 325 00:17:46,760 --> 00:17:48,560 everyone's going to like it. They're not going to think it's 326 00:17:48,560 --> 00:17:50,600 the best. And, and we had to just be OK 327 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:54,000 with that and not base our decisions off of what we think 328 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:57,160 people may or may not like. And I'm very guilty of that. 329 00:17:57,160 --> 00:18:01,160 I'm like, well, if I, if I do this one thing, are people going 330 00:18:01,160 --> 00:18:03,200 to like it or, or my fans going to like it? 331 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:05,000 The people that do like my music, are they going to say, 332 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:07,800 Oh, well, Jason's changing here, you know, And I think we just 333 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:11,200 have to have to cut that somehow, you know, and to the 334 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:14,400 point you were making earlier, too, about, you know, leaving 335 00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:16,320 this project. I've said this before. 336 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:19,040 I had two bosses when I was in the corporate world that said 337 00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:22,880 two very powerful things to me. One said, don't try to boil the 338 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:25,560 ocean. And the other one said if you 339 00:18:25,560 --> 00:18:27,680 chase two rabbits, you won't catch either. 340 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:30,120 And those have stuck with me, man. 341 00:18:30,120 --> 00:18:33,280 Those have stuck with me. You talked about the windshield. 342 00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:36,080 And another friend of mine said that to me many, many years ago 343 00:18:36,080 --> 00:18:39,320 when I was going through quite a rough patch in life. 344 00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:43,240 We don't go down that road, but I was beating myself up one day 345 00:18:43,240 --> 00:18:47,240 is probably almost 20 years ago. And he said, Jason, there's a 346 00:18:47,240 --> 00:18:50,240 reason why your windshield is so much bigger than your rearview 347 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:52,560 mirror. And like you said, Ken, yeah, we 348 00:18:52,560 --> 00:18:55,840 can look back, you know, every now and then say, OK, this is 349 00:18:55,840 --> 00:18:57,720 where I, this is how far I've come. 350 00:18:57,720 --> 00:19:00,000 And I can be proud of that. But we need to quickly turn 351 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:02,200 right back around and look straight ahead. 352 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:05,520 And and not only looking forward, guys, I think we also 353 00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:09,840 need to embrace and cherish the present moment as well. 354 00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:12,880 Yeah, because if you keep looking in your rear view 355 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:15,120 mirror, you're going to miss the car in front of you and you're 356 00:19:15,120 --> 00:19:16,920 going to bump that, you know, bumper. 357 00:19:16,920 --> 00:19:19,240 That's true, Yeah. You don't want to do that, man. 358 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:23,040 And I'll tell you now, with with with car insurance rates here in 359 00:19:23,040 --> 00:19:26,520 Florida where I live, it it's insane. 360 00:19:26,520 --> 00:19:29,560 It's it's almost criminal what these people are charging. 361 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:32,480 That's another conversation. But I mean, it, it really is 362 00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:35,600 home owner's insurance here, guys, the property tax, 363 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:37,440 everything has gone up. I don't know how New York is 364 00:19:37,520 --> 00:19:39,440 where you're at, Ken. I'm sure it's rough there too. 365 00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:43,200 But in Florida they just it, it's like they're trying to I, I 366 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:45,960 don't know it again, another conversation, but it's just, 367 00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:49,400 it's almost criminal how much these people are are just hiking 368 00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:52,440 up prices. Yeah, actually, you know, funny 369 00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:57,600 enough, on my wedding night, not kidding, my freaking wedding 370 00:19:57,600 --> 00:20:02,840 night, 2:15 in the morning. We're up because you know, we're 371 00:20:02,840 --> 00:20:04,440 still wired from the entire event. 372 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:06,640 We're like excited. We're going through all, we're 373 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:11,400 trying to clean up and whatever we hear this big crash, you 374 00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:17,080 know, and lo and behold, somebody who was driving down 375 00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:22,320 our street crashed into a car that was behind our car parked. 376 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:26,520 And it's sandwiched their car, my car and the car in front of 377 00:20:26,520 --> 00:20:30,680 us all in one. And it totally collapsed the 378 00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:33,680 silencer and muffler. And we had obviously some 379 00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:36,320 damage. And it ended up being that the 380 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:40,960 damage that was done to the car was more than the car was worth. 381 00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:44,160 So we actually have to junk it, dude. 382 00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:46,200 That's obviously it was just like, we're not going to pay 383 00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:47,560 more than what this thing is worth. 384 00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:52,880 So yeah, yeah, yeah. And on my wedding night, I was 385 00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:54,520 like, are you kidding? Me. 386 00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:56,680 I didn't know about that dude. That sucks man. 387 00:20:57,400 --> 00:21:01,640 Oh, man, you know, but in a case like that, honestly, it's like, 388 00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:04,400 I'm just glad nobody was in the car. 389 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:07,480 You know, we can only be like grateful for those things. 390 00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:10,560 But I mean, yeah, it's an inconvenience, you know, but a 391 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:13,440 car is a car, you know, we can, we can replace a car. 392 00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:18,160 And luckily that's everybody is OK. 393 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:22,200 So, but those are those are the types of things, man. 394 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:26,240 It's like life will just always happen and you got to roll with 395 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:28,840 punches. Nobody is going to ever have 396 00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:33,520 perfect streak for their entire life, you know? 397 00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:37,960 And yeah, we, we, we just, we move forward and we always keep 398 00:21:38,120 --> 00:21:40,200 looking forward. You know, obviously, like you 399 00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:42,920 said, remembering where we came from, appreciating where we came 400 00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:47,240 from, but that's not the focus. Our focus is to make, you know 401 00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:52,080 strides where we want to go. Make strides and enjoy the 402 00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:53,960 weapon. I I love what you said about 403 00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:55,760 we're not perfect too. You know, we are human beings, 404 00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:57,800 you know, we're talking about these things and we, we make 405 00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:00,320 imperfect decisions. I don't know that I'd want 406 00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:03,120 everything to be perfect and, and I'll, I'll flip back over to 407 00:22:03,120 --> 00:22:04,560 the music site. It would be boring. 408 00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:08,800 I, I love what Glenn Fricker says and it you know, I know he, 409 00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:11,200 he's, he's quite the personality on YouTube, right? 410 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:13,880 And we, of course, we had him on the podcast here several months 411 00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:17,600 ago and he really a really nice dude to sit here and chat with 412 00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:19,280 him. You know, I didn't know what to 413 00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:21,880 expect, but super nice, nice guy. 414 00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:25,680 I enjoyed that conversation we had with Glenn, but he makes 415 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:27,920 this statement. He's made the statement often 416 00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:31,880 lately is like perfect metal when you sync everything 417 00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:33,560 perfectly. It's just boring. 418 00:22:34,120 --> 00:22:37,240 And I don't want to get into because you, we talked about 419 00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:40,680 this, Ken, you know, there are projects with orchestration. 420 00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:44,000 You know, I know you have a lot of orchestration. 421 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:46,640 I love bands like Nightwish. They have a lot of 422 00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:49,560 orchestration. So there are certain tools that 423 00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:53,960 you will use to make that sound as epic as it possibly can, 424 00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:55,840 because that's what the music calls for. 425 00:22:56,280 --> 00:22:59,280 But just overall, in general, when we're talking about 426 00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:01,800 rock'n'roll, rock'n'roll and we're talking about heavy metal 427 00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:04,920 and we're talking about just a story, guitars and some 428 00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:08,000 screaming vocals, do you really want everything, everything to 429 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:10,960 be perfect? Do you want it to be perfectly 430 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:13,160 synced or tuned or whatever? Right. 431 00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:17,040 And it's not to, I want to be careful how I say this. 432 00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:22,160 It's not to give yourself a free pass to to perform poorly, 433 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:24,440 right? You need to be, you know, you 434 00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:25,840 need to be talented at what you do. 435 00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:29,440 Or as Ken said earlier, if there's are parts you can't do 436 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:31,920 well, then hire that out. I'm a guitar player. 437 00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:36,640 I'm a, you know, decent vocalist, I guess, but I'm not a 438 00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:38,280 drummer. So guess what? 439 00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:40,840 I hire a drummer. If you if you had me play drums 440 00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:43,480 on my own album, it would sound just like murderous. 441 00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:45,840 It'd be like, OK, what the crap is this, Jason? 442 00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:48,920 You can't play drums clearly. So, so, you know, I, I work with 443 00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:53,280 Cameron Fleury to pass two albums, you know, you know, Ken, 444 00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:55,560 when we wrote our song from Metal Mastermind, you are your 445 00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:57,960 master. I didn't record drums for that. 446 00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:01,120 You're the drummer, dude. So, you know, and Ellie put some 447 00:24:01,120 --> 00:24:02,520 beautiful vocals behind everything. 448 00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:06,560 So, you know, we, we, we had other people do things that we 449 00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:09,040 weren't good at, right, that we knew they were the experts in. 450 00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:10,560 So there's a lot to be said for that. 451 00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:14,160 But like, I know on my albums, and I don't want to say never, 452 00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:17,560 but I, I, I don't ever plan to use things like pitch 453 00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:20,960 correction, auto tune and, and I don't ever plan to perfectly 454 00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:23,600 sync the drums. Now looks if I, if I made like a 455 00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:25,920 techno or trance album or something like that. 456 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:27,960 And I went through a phase of that many, many years ago. 457 00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:30,640 OK, yeah, let's, let's line everything up to the grid 458 00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:32,520 because that's what people expect, right? 459 00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:37,480 But in any case, I want to, what I'm saying is, is I, I want to 460 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:40,960 have those slight nuances of imperfections because I think 461 00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:43,960 that they, I think they give a different life to the album. 462 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:46,280 You and I were talking about this too, Ken. 463 00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:49,280 We're talking about music sounding epic today using these 464 00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:51,400 tools. But what about all the great 465 00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:54,960 music that was recorded, you know, 20304050 years ago? 466 00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:58,120 They didn't have anything like the tools that we have today, 467 00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:01,000 yet they created some really epic masterpieces. 468 00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:06,560 And I just sometimes I wonder where, where are we lacking that 469 00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:09,680 everybody feels the need? And again, I'm not talking about 470 00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:13,000 like some of the the premium orchestrations that we have out 471 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:14,800 there, like Nightwish fans like that, right? 472 00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:18,280 But just in music in general, somebody making a rock'n'roll 473 00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:20,440 album, right? Just a raw rock'n'roll album. 474 00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:23,200 Like where's that missing link at? 475 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:23,760 You know? You know. 476 00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:28,040 I was watching this interview with Alan Parsons, who was the 477 00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:32,800 engineer for Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon, and he was 478 00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:35,960 talking to Rick Biano. And you know, I love Rick 479 00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:37,640 Biano's channel. I know you watch Rick Biano. 480 00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:38,920 It's great. Yeah, he's great. 481 00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:43,040 And well, he was talking, Alan was talking about, you know, 482 00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:50,480 well, how he got started, which was as a tape operator when when 483 00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:54,080 he came to The Beatles. So he was an Abbey Road and, you 484 00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:57,200 know, he was hired and he was able to he he got the job. 485 00:25:57,200 --> 00:26:00,840 And a lot of that job was archival work, right? 486 00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:04,280 Knowing how to do all that and organize all the tapes so that 487 00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:07,120 at any point in time, you know, they could recall a session. 488 00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:11,000 Of course, obviously they had an entire library, literally. 489 00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:15,920 So organization was key. That was that was a job of, you 490 00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:18,720 know, people who were hired for engineering in the first time, 491 00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:20,520 right? That's that would be the intern 492 00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:25,320 role, essentially. And so he would learn and he 493 00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:29,000 would just operate tape for these sessions. 494 00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:32,560 And you know, when you see things like, of course, like The 495 00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:37,760 Beatles coming in, they started off with four tracks, you know, 496 00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:43,960 so they had not a lot to work with and we had to make it sound 497 00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:48,400 as good as they could. So on Let It Be, which was, you 498 00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:50,680 know, some of the early stuff with The Beatles, you know, 499 00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:54,160 those 4 tracks you literally had, you know, one microphone 500 00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:57,800 for the drums, one microphone for the bass, one microphone for 501 00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:00,040 guitar and vocals, right? And that was it. 502 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:02,160 That's all you had. And you have to make it work. 503 00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:09,600 So the entire editing process was not really that existent 504 00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:12,520 because it was just 4 tracks and everybody was playing together 505 00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:15,200 at the same time on those tracks, so everybody had to get 506 00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:16,680 it. Right, Everything's being picked 507 00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:19,640 up too, right by this, you know, you can't isolate the drums, for 508 00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:21,520 example, because you've got ripples in that mic, so. 509 00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:24,000 No, you, you, that's just what you had. 510 00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:27,120 And when it came to something like Dark Side of the Moon, 511 00:27:27,120 --> 00:27:31,520 which came out later, which I think was on a 16 track, you 512 00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:34,480 know, not a lot of tracks to work with for such an epic 513 00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:37,640 album. You had again, very similar 514 00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:41,320 instances where, you know, maybe you only dedicate 4 tracks to 515 00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:43,960 the drums, right? So your mic technique had to be 516 00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:47,280 spot on. And you know, if you listen to 517 00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:50,200 that album, those are some of the best drums I've ever heard 518 00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:53,880 in my life. So, and the difference between 519 00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:56,240 it, it's like when I, when I was like listening to this 520 00:27:56,240 --> 00:28:01,520 interview, you know, Alan was not really also a, a, a big 521 00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:03,720 advocate of using a lot of compression on drums. 522 00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:07,200 So the drums, he actually intentionally left them 523 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:10,920 completely uncompressed where, where he would only compress 524 00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:15,760 things like bass and vocals. So there's a lot of dynamic 525 00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:17,920 range, right? So part of the production 526 00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:22,440 process was in order to createspace, we had to not limit 527 00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:27,320 the dynamics of space. So using that as a, as a tool 528 00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:30,920 right for for creative expression was, was also really 529 00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:33,520 pivotal. Those are like some just things 530 00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:36,200 from this interview that I was like, I was really, really like, 531 00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:40,680 wow, OK, we definitely lost a lot of this mentality along the 532 00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:42,640 way. Because when you go to something 533 00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:46,680 like dark side of the moon and if you look at the two track 534 00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:50,680 master, there's actually quite a bit of splicing going on between 535 00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:54,120 different takes. And, you know, making sure that 536 00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:59,040 even those takes married well together was like a shot in the 537 00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:03,240 dark because you couldn't, you know, you know, unless you 538 00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:08,840 wanted to risk ruining what was a great performance, you'd have 539 00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:13,920 to take the reel off, put another reel on, record that new 540 00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:19,320 take, splice the take, put it with the other old reel and hope 541 00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:23,520 to God that it lined up well. Like, that's insane. 542 00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:25,760 And, you know, in today's world, that's insane. 543 00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:29,640 And now we have, you know, this magical thing called undo, and 544 00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:32,920 we can do all the takes that we want and we can keep everything 545 00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:34,320 and we don't. And everything's non 546 00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:41,120 destructive, which is amazing. But it definitely removed a 547 00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:48,120 barrier that in those instances you had to persevere through. 548 00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:53,520 And you know, so when we say, you know, a lot of certain magic 549 00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:56,320 in music is gone, it's because, well, there's no risk. 550 00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:00,160 There is no risk. So having risk and making music 551 00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:06,360 dangerous to even do, like imagine you were always on it. 552 00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:10,680 You had to be because if you did it, you just screwed up. 553 00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:13,520 One of the best takes that will never get ever again. 554 00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:17,280 Wow, that's, that's crazy, I'm saying. 555 00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:22,400 So would you say Ken did? And I don't want to do a talent 556 00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:24,520 versus then versus now type of thing. 557 00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:27,680 But I mean, I guess, I guess back then you really had to be 558 00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:29,840 married to your craft. If you're a musician and you're 559 00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:33,040 recording this epic music, these songs that are timeless, that 560 00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:36,960 are, I'd say a lot of the older stuff is played more and listen 561 00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:39,160 to more than the newer stuff out there, man. 562 00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:42,080 But you really had to be. You really had to have a 563 00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:45,000 different type of passion for what you do as a vocalist, as a 564 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:48,040 guitar player, drummer, bass player, right then, then what's 565 00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:52,440 out there today? I mean, you certainly had more 566 00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:57,400 challenges to overcome. Just even learning music, you 567 00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:02,280 know, there was less information going around than there is 568 00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:05,240 today. So, you know, picking up a 569 00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:08,560 guitar at a young age, there was a lot of risk to that, you know, 570 00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:12,480 'cause who are you? And, you know, you don't know 571 00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:15,640 anybody. So you stumble into, you know, a 572 00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:17,920 place like Abbey Road and you hope you make something of 573 00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:21,760 yourself, you know, even as even trying to be an engineer, you 574 00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:24,920 know, because who who came before you, you know, this we're 575 00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:29,200 talking about like Miles Davis. Do you have Frank Sinatra? 576 00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:34,560 You know, all these like people that were in the 50s, the 40s, 577 00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:39,960 the 30s, twenties, 10s, you know, those are, that's the era 578 00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:42,960 that you had to work with and all those challenges that 579 00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:45,800 everybody in those times had to work with too. 580 00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:49,440 It, it really is, you know, such a unique time that we live in 581 00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:52,560 now, which is of course changed the entire face of the music 582 00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:54,720 industry moving forward for the rest of the time. 583 00:31:55,120 --> 00:32:01,440 But that pivotal moment of, you know, when the computer came, it 584 00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:04,880 completely set the course of the recording industry for what's to 585 00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:06,920 come. Yeah. 586 00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:09,280 Everything was a risk. Learning guitar. 587 00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:10,720 You had to be committed. You had. 588 00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:13,760 That's all you practice. I mean, look at Envy Maumstein, 589 00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:15,880 you know, like when he was a kid, that's all he did. 590 00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:22,080 That's there was no YouTube. There was just I have guitar and 591 00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:24,640 I play guitar and that's all I do. 592 00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:28,760 Even guys like, you know, rest his soul, man. 593 00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:32,040 Alexi Leho he. Was a kid when he was a. 594 00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:35,560 Kid, he was great. Lock himself in the room and he 595 00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:37,840 would just play all day. That's all he would do. 596 00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:39,520 That's all I do as a teenager, man. 597 00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:41,920 Yeah, he. Was a he was a boy genius for 598 00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:45,880 it. And so, you know, yeah, I mean, 599 00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:48,960 we don't we don't get a lot of those opportunities anymore 600 00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:50,480 because everything is so interconnected now. 601 00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:56,320 But the reason why they were so great was because they really 602 00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:59,800 didn't have as many distractions and they just focused on what 603 00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:04,000 was at the time, what was fun for them and it was inspiring 604 00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:08,840 for them and it made them great. And keeping that alive. 605 00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:12,600 Is is, is, is, is a challenge today because of so many things. 606 00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:17,520 We got Netflix, we got Hulu, we got YouTube, TikTok, Facebook, 607 00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:19,240 Instagram. We got all this stuff that 608 00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:21,320 distracts us on a day-to-day basis. 609 00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:24,160 Gosh, it's just no wonder. It's no wonder. 610 00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:26,680 Oh yeah, I had to, I had to put my phone to the side. 611 00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:29,720 I want, I want to back up real quick because this, this would 612 00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:32,000 probably be taken out of context by someone. 613 00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:35,920 When I, when I mentioned that the old musicians had more 614 00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:38,840 passion, I, I don't mean to say that today's musicians don't. 615 00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:41,080 I don't want to say that today's because there are plenty of you 616 00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:44,120 listening right now. You are ultra passionate about 617 00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:46,440 what you do as a musician and there are a lot of you out there 618 00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:49,160 that are making great music. So I, I don't, I don't want that 619 00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:52,440 to be taken out of context. Yeah, I guess when, when I said 620 00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:55,600 that, I, I mean, in kind of like overall, and maybe maybe I'm 621 00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:59,880 pointing towards, you know, the genres of music that, well, stop 622 00:33:59,880 --> 00:34:02,960 metal. I'm talking more of like stuff 623 00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:06,120 you would hear on the radio versus what, what iTunes and 624 00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:08,600 Spotify throw at you on their home page now. 625 00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:12,239 So I don't want to offend anybody by saying that musicians 626 00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:16,760 back then were more passionate, I think in the mainstream genres 627 00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:19,400 or radio friendly stuff. I think that might be the case 628 00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:22,080 versus today. But when we're talking about the 629 00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:25,960 the metal community here and even set a lot of the Rock You 630 00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:28,840 guys out there and the new stuff that's that's coming out there, 631 00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:30,639 there's a there's a lot of great stuff. 632 00:34:30,639 --> 00:34:34,280 I want to say that I know some of you are in bands now and you 633 00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:36,639 have some phenomenal stuff. I know, I know our our friend 634 00:34:36,639 --> 00:34:39,480 Vincent, by the way, we're going to put out a post. 635 00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:41,639 I'm going to write this up on our YouTube channel Now on the 636 00:34:41,639 --> 00:34:45,920 community post, I want to ask you if you're in a band to list 637 00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:48,040 the name of your band. I want to ask you guys to do 638 00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:50,440 that. So stay tuned to our community 639 00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:53,400 post. We put this podcast out on a 640 00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:56,520 Tuesday, so you'll see that community post out there. 641 00:34:57,160 --> 00:35:00,280 Look for that and let us know what band you're in so Ken and I 642 00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:03,520 can go listen to you guys because we'd love to, would love 643 00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:06,480 to maybe even showcase. We can't play it here because 644 00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:09,240 we'd get copyright strike. But you at least mentioned some 645 00:35:09,240 --> 00:35:12,200 of you guys that are part of metal Masterminds. 646 00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:13,640 We appreciate you being part of this. 647 00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:15,320 So I just want to make that clear. 648 00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:17,360 I didn't want that. I didn't want that to be taken 649 00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:20,800 out of context. But yeah, I, I kind of like the 650 00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:24,400 idea of, of recording a full pen like that. 651 00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:27,400 You know, Ken, hopefully it's not premature in me saying this, 652 00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:30,360 but I know you're working with who's now your wife, Ellie. 653 00:35:30,720 --> 00:35:33,440 She's got a project, a new album that she's going to be working 654 00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:34,560 on. And you had mentioned to me 655 00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:37,240 earlier that that you wanted to record that as a band. 656 00:35:37,240 --> 00:35:39,040 Is that right? Yeah. 657 00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:45,600 So our production process has been kind of very sparse in some 658 00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:50,200 ways over the course of several years because, well, Ellie's 659 00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:53,480 journey through her own production is, is another story. 660 00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:57,200 And, you know, I kind of came into the fold. 661 00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:01,120 And one of the reasons why Ellie and I became so close in the 662 00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:04,080 beginning of our relationship was really because also I was 663 00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:06,320 helping teach her how to use a dog. 664 00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:13,440 So that's, you know, to see her not knowing a lick of what it 665 00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:18,680 means to use logic or Pro Tools to now her creating her stores 666 00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:22,200 is an amazing journey. And I'm so proud of her. 667 00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:27,640 And in this current moment in time, you know, during that 668 00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:31,040 course of, of, of years, we've, we've done some demos and all 669 00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:33,440 this kind of stuff. And now we're kind of at a point 670 00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:36,640 where we're amalgamating all this all the all the music has 671 00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:41,480 been written. Now it's gonna be put into more 672 00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:45,640 finessed sheet music so that session players can come to the 673 00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:51,640 studio, knock it out. So about quarter one next year, 674 00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:55,640 we're looking at doing a full recording session, you know, at 675 00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:58,760 A at A at a larger studio that has better equipment so that we 676 00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:02,920 can get the fidelity that we want on the record so that this 677 00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:07,280 thing can see, you know, it's best self. 678 00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:10,960 So that's our goal. And yeah, it's been a long time 679 00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:11,720 coming. Actually. 680 00:37:11,720 --> 00:37:15,160 Ellie's been working on this, you know, album a lot longer 681 00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:17,280 than I've been working on the circle of their children. 682 00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:20,800 I think when she was she was working on some of these songs 683 00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:24,040 since she was like 16. That's crazy. 684 00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:26,440 Two now. So yeah, there's there's a lot 685 00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:30,440 of time spent on on somebody's music. 686 00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:34,560 And I'm sure like some of you guys out there are also on a 687 00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:39,520 similar journey. I think that we forget, or maybe 688 00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:44,680 this is just because we're kind of a new sample in the entire 689 00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:48,800 history of recorded music. But when you had, you know, 690 00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:52,200 people like Frank Sinatra or whatever, any of these greats in 691 00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:55,440 the back in the day, you know, who had so many records, well, 692 00:37:55,720 --> 00:37:57,000 you know, there was funding for that. 693 00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:59,920 There was an entire thing called the record label that would pay 694 00:37:59,920 --> 00:38:02,640 for sessions and there was a business model behind it that 695 00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:05,840 people would buy records and, you know, they'd recoup those 696 00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:07,840 losses. And we don't have that model 697 00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:10,840 anymore. There isn't such a thing as as 698 00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:13,240 doing stuff like that. I mean, there is, but you know, 699 00:38:13,240 --> 00:38:15,720 let's be real, there's not a lot of people doing that. 700 00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:19,560 So most people are doing this on their own. 701 00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:22,880 And what does that mean? It means that, well, unless you 702 00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:26,880 got a lot of money to keep doing it so frequently, you probably 703 00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:29,280 have to save. You probably have something else 704 00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:33,040 in your life that you have to attend to, like a job or family 705 00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:37,040 or whatever, and you have to exchange instead of money, you 706 00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:40,840 have to do it for time. So it takes us a lot longer as 707 00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:44,640 indie musicians to do the things that we want to do at the 708 00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:46,360 quality that we want to make them. 709 00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:50,160 But, you know, if, if this is something that you do, then this 710 00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:53,440 is just part of it, right? It's we, we, we're going to 711 00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:55,440 accept it. But don't forget that, you know, 712 00:38:55,440 --> 00:39:00,520 like, it's totally normal now to see people take a really long 713 00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:02,440 time to create something like an album. 714 00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:05,120 That's why I think a lot of Indian musicians just decide to 715 00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:09,280 do things like singles, you know, or, or EPS, because doing 716 00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:13,200 a whole album is a concept and there is there's a lot of work 717 00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:15,480 behind that. So I just want to, I want to, I 718 00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:17,720 want to iterate that because I think it's important to 719 00:39:17,720 --> 00:39:20,160 understand and remember that, you know, we talked about like 720 00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:24,040 Pink Floyd and, you know, being in Abbey Road and they had 16 721 00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:26,480 tracks and they had limitations, right? 722 00:39:27,240 --> 00:39:29,520 But we also have limitations. They're just different 723 00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:32,720 limitations. And we just have to, you know, 724 00:39:32,720 --> 00:39:36,720 remember that we have to overcome anything in this world. 725 00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:41,280 And the reason why, you know, something is great, just because 726 00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:43,600 there was a lot of hard effort that went into that. 727 00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:47,000 You can't get something great without having to overcome 728 00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:49,320 something. That's why it's great, OK, 729 00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:53,240 Because it's hard to do. It's hard. 730 00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:57,360 And you know, don't forget that. You know, great things take 731 00:39:57,360 --> 00:39:59,600 time. But we need more great content. 732 00:39:59,880 --> 00:40:02,040 We need more great content, and we don't need more crap. 733 00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:05,840 So content is king. That is true. 734 00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:08,840 Yeah, that is true. And you know, you can you guys 735 00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:12,840 know that Ken and I, we share some of our our shortcomings 736 00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:15,680 with you for that reason. So like the things we shared 737 00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:19,680 today talking about our albums, what we might do differently. 738 00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:22,320 Well, you guys can think about that as like, OK, well, you 739 00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:23,960 know, Jason wish he would done this. 740 00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:28,520 So let me just skip that mistake that the Jason just shared with 741 00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:32,400 me, you know, so hopefully, hopefully you get some value out 742 00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:35,400 of that, you know, because that's, I mean, that's why Metal 743 00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:39,120 Mastermind exists. You know, Ken and I, we are 744 00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:43,360 musicians just like you, we're, you know, releasing music and 745 00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:46,680 putting stuff out there. And I know that not all of you 746 00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:49,840 are really crazy about releasing music. 747 00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:53,160 Some of you just play music for a hobby and that's perfectly 748 00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:54,720 fine. That's a, that's a good outlet 749 00:40:54,720 --> 00:40:57,440 to have, you know, so that's perfectly fine if you're not 750 00:40:57,440 --> 00:41:00,280 releasing anything. But for those of you who do want 751 00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:03,000 to take that next step, well, we're here to help with that as 752 00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:05,240 well. So we've, we've got, you know, 753 00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:08,440 we'll do our quick plug here, Ken, we've got production 754 00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:10,840 courses out there. Ken, you've got you've got a 755 00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:15,720 course out there on professional studio design because you and, 756 00:41:15,720 --> 00:41:18,160 and you actually have a professional studio in your home 757 00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:21,640 like you, you know, I wish you guys could see it, but maybe 758 00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:24,680 we'll put some videos out there. We've got to do a Ken studio 759 00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:27,560 video here pretty soon on metal mass for my YouTube channel. 760 00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:31,680 But you show people how to do that by getting into, I mean, 761 00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:34,560 dude, you nerd out on like the science of building, the science 762 00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:38,320 of sound. So if that's your thing, that's 763 00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:40,400 way over my head. But if that's your thing guys, 764 00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:42,760 and do check that out, Metal Studio designer. 765 00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:46,960 We've got courses out there to help you on metalmastermind.com. 766 00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:49,840 And we don't have any subscription type things for our 767 00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:52,280 courses. We may have some kind of like 768 00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:57,000 some kind of other thing that we get into later to help musicians 769 00:41:57,000 --> 00:42:00,360 that might be based on that. But our courses, our courses, 770 00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:04,120 you can just grab those at an extremely affordable cost. 771 00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:06,840 And those are out there. Once you get access to it, you 772 00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:08,200 have it. We don't charge any 773 00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:11,160 subscriptions right now. So I just want to put that out 774 00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:13,400 there. Metal mastermind.com. 775 00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:17,040 So, Brother Ken, do you have a metal song for the week? 776 00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:23,120 Yeah, well, I love this band. Been listening to them for a 777 00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:30,120 while and I'm actually choosing this song because I think if I 778 00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:34,400 remember correctly it's Michael Romeo's favorite song from 779 00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:39,760 Symphony X. It's a Electric Messiah or the 780 00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:41,480 from the from the album Iconoclast. 781 00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:44,760 I know Iconoclast is definitely his favorite album out of 782 00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:48,280 Symphony X, but I think Electric Messiah is one of them too. 783 00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:51,440 So one of the songs on that album at least. 784 00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:54,640 So check it out. It's a great tune, very, very 785 00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:58,600 catchy, great melody. And honestly, I think it is 786 00:42:58,720 --> 00:43:02,720 definitely one of the better produced albums from Symphony X 787 00:43:02,720 --> 00:43:05,800 as well. And I think Iconoclast was kind 788 00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:07,800 of inspired by the idea of the matrix. 789 00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:12,000 So very, very cool concept. That's awesome, man. 790 00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:14,800 Goodbye you man. I came across a band as you 791 00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:17,880 know, like when you're listening to iTunes, Spotify, if if you 792 00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:21,920 got on like a radio based on a song and you get all this cool 793 00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:24,680 stuff. So I based a station off my 794 00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:27,760 friends band must not kill. You guys know I've had Brad 795 00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:30,480 Mader on the channel I've had he's the creator of must not 796 00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:33,080 kill. He was an all out war way, way 797 00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:35,720 back in the day. And I'm good friends with the 798 00:43:35,720 --> 00:43:37,640 guys in the band there. I've had, I've had Will their 799 00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:41,240 drummer William James on my Channel 2 here, but I came 800 00:43:41,240 --> 00:43:44,000 across and listening to the radio station based on them, 801 00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:46,280 they started playing some other stuff, stuff I've never heard. 802 00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:50,600 Came across this band called Swine of the Descent, and they 803 00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:53,560 only have one album out there that was released in 2020 called 804 00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:56,000 An Uprising. And I listened to the entire 805 00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:58,720 album, like, you know, later that day and the next day and 806 00:43:58,720 --> 00:43:59,920 it's like, man, this is pretty cool. 807 00:43:59,920 --> 00:44:02,360 I don't think they've released anything since which of their 808 00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:04,040 Facebook and Instagram and all that. 809 00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:09,280 But yeah, Swine of the Descent, DISSENTA great album again from 810 00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:11,440 a band I've never heard of. I'm like, wow, good stuff. 811 00:44:11,720 --> 00:44:15,960 You know, I stumbled upon a band that I never heard of, but I was 812 00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:20,600 actually really doing just some research on Homeric just to see. 813 00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:23,440 I was like, I was typing in. I was like in Google, I open up 814 00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:25,960 a private browser just so that I don't have any cookies. 815 00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:28,840 I said, let me just see. You know what happens when I 816 00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:30,880 type up Homeric? The Circle of Dead Children, 817 00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:33,360 Right. And there's actually a band 818 00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:35,120 called The Circle of Dead Children. 819 00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:37,920 Yeah. And I looked into it. 820 00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:41,560 It was actually some pretty freaking, like, metal stuff. 821 00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:45,800 I was like, this is thick. It's like slam metal. 822 00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:49,280 It's awesome. You know, just something that I 823 00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:51,240 just wanted to throw out there because you know, when you find 824 00:44:51,240 --> 00:44:53,920 something like a gem, like an indie band like that, it's just 825 00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:56,760 so cool. So that that's another thing 826 00:44:56,760 --> 00:44:59,600 real quick for you, kind of another lesson for you guys to 827 00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:02,480 think about, not not necessarily in your case, Ken, but when 828 00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:06,760 you're coming up with like with like a band name, and I know you 829 00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:09,720 guys probably do this already, but research that as best as 830 00:45:09,720 --> 00:45:12,720 possible. Good example, I'm wearing my I'm 831 00:45:12,720 --> 00:45:15,200 friends with the guys in the band Siren, the guys that were 832 00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:18,360 Tampa heavy metal band that's been around since the 80s. 833 00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:20,200 I'm wearing one of those shirts right now. 834 00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:24,240 But if you type in Siren, you have all kind of bands called 835 00:45:24,240 --> 00:45:27,840 Siren out there. It's just like, OK, so for them 836 00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:31,120 I always type in Siren US band or Siren, their latest album of 837 00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:32,280 mercenaries, Fate. So. 838 00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:36,280 But yeah, it's home. Eric is quite a great name, 839 00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:37,920 dude, Because there's nothing else. 840 00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:40,440 And then of course, being first, there's a lot to be said for 841 00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:42,880 that too. So yeah, a little tip there. 842 00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:48,200 Be careful with the band names, brother Ken, dude, another great 843 00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:51,160 session today, man. We want to say thank you all you 844 00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:54,000 guys for listening and being a part of Metal Mastermind. 845 00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:57,080 This is a the most amazing community here that we have with 846 00:45:57,080 --> 00:46:00,640 you guys of, of metal musicians. So we really do appreciate you 847 00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:02,920 guys. Folks, as always, don't forget 848 00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:05,080 to check out Metal mastermind.com for more 849 00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:07,560 resources and we've got our courses out there for you as 850 00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:09,920 well. And until next time, create your 851 00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:10,520 own sound.