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You have your Bibles turn over 
to Matthew chapter 15 and verse 

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315, verse 3. 
Today I want to talk to you 

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about more than conversion, All 
right? 

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There's some things that are 
stirring in my spirit concerning

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the disciple that I really think
that we need to minister on. 

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Because again, if we are a 
church planning church and we 

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are, there are things that Jesus
intended to do or intended his 

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church to be doing because He 
said that he would build his 

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church. 
And so we need to look at it 

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because we've said this for so 
many years. 

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And for some of you who have 
been with us for multiple years,

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you know that we've used this 
particular verse to launch out 

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on things because, you know, we 
need to allow God to define the 

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terms because He is the Word. 
John 11 says in the beginning 

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was the word in the Word was 
with God, in the Word was God. 

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And honestly, the Bible actually
does define itself. 

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We do not need any other 
commentary, honestly, to 

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interpret the Bible itself will 
interpret itself. 

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It's its greatest source. 
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And so, you know, instead of us 
bringing our ideas from the 

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world and trying to explain 
what's going on, let's just ask 

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the author. 
You know, you've heard me say 

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this before. 
We've put in print 8 books. 

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We're working on another one 
right now that we, you know, 

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it's basically complete to get 
out, which is Dominion Air. 

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And then Capacity is actually 
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It's just hasn't been edited. 
And so, and then we're working 

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on another Facebook that's a 
collaboration between my wife 

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and I as well. 
That's that we want to be able 

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to bring out. 
So, you know, the book writing 

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still in play, even though we 
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little bit. 
But you know, if you go and 

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purchase one of our books, you 
know, from guest relations and 

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you read it, you know, you can 
always go and say, you know, I 

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believe the author in this 
paragraph meant this and you 

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could do that. 
Maybe you'll be right. 

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But you could just come ask me, 
because if you come ask me, I'll

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say, well, this is what I meant 
because I authored it, right? 

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Well, guess what? 
We have the Holy Ghost and the 

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Holy Ghost moved upon men. 
It's not of any one man's 

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interpretation, but as the 
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the Spirit was actually there. 
When David fought Goliath, he 

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was personally present. 
I mean, he can give details that

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he didn't even release in the 
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He could allow you to know 
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Goliath was and how many hairs 
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that David struck him down. 
He could do that. 

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I mean, he could, you know, 
reveal he is the author. 

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And so we need to say, OK, if 
we're saying terms or we're 

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expressing things, is it in line
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Because a lot of times we'll 
redefine the author's words to 

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fit our way of living for him. 
And again, you know, the reason 

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why we do that's because we were
living without him at one time 

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anyway, and we were sometimes 
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our own strength, only to find 
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And so, you know, as a result of
that, we'll go into the Bible 

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and we'll read words and based 
upon what society is saying 

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about things, we'll start 
interpreting those words with 

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some society definitions when we
really have to say Now, Lord, 

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what do you mean? 
And do you explain this? 

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OK. 
And so Jesus is addressing this 

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in Matthew chapter 15, verse 3, 
actually 2 religious people, 

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people who had documentations of
the written word of God that was

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inspired by God, that the Holy 
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the law came from, and then 
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So the writings were beyond just
the first five books, what we 

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call the the Pentateuch or, or 
the, yeah, you know, the first 

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five books of the Bible that 
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So at the end of the day, 
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they're looking at the prophets 
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prophets, and they're hearing 
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And they were tasked and 
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the Holy Ghost come upon them to
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be saying. 
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them. 
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And he answered and said, why do
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commandment of God for the sake 
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Now they we open up this chapter
because they are correcting 

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Jesus that his disciples do not 
follow a particular washing of 

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utensils. 
And Jesus is like, why do you 

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want me to keep your man made 
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I mean, you keep your man made 
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and that happens in our society 
today where people are keeping 

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their man made stuff, but really
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And so in order to know whether 
it's a man made or a God, you 

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have to go to God's book. 
Then if we jump down into verse 

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7, Jesus says this, you know, 
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He says, you hypocrites rightly 
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This people honors me with their
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away from me. 
But in vain do they worship Me, 

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teaching as doctrines the 
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Now you need to stop for a 
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Ask the question, Don't gloss 
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What does that look like? 
What does a person look like who

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has honor in their lips but not 
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What does their worship look 
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What does that look like? 
Now again, many of us be like, 

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well, they wouldn't be in 
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These people were in the 
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These people were assembling 
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These people were had a 
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they were instructing them. 
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instructing were accomplishing 
are doing the things they're 

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telling them to do. 
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missed the mark. 
What your followers are doing is

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really a precept of man. 
And it's not even a doctrine of 

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God. 
Now, how do you know the 

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difference? 
Aren't you glad for the Holy 

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Spirit? 
Amen. 

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You can know the difference 
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but Jesus lets us know there 
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assemble that to him. 
It's hypocritical, and you've 

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got to be able to identify that 
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You won't identify if you're not
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you're not trained, or if you 
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Turn over to Matthew 2313, 
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Again, Jesus dealing with the 
religious, He said, but woe to 

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you, scribes and Pharisees, 
hypocrites, because you shut off

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the Kingdom of heaven from 
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yourself, nor do you allow those
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They are so aggravated and angry
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because it goes against their 
traditions that they get in 

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opposition. 
Are you hearing what I'm saying?

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Jesus in an in a particular 
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He says, you know, don't, don't 
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what they're he says, don't you 
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I am correcting their doctrine 
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disciples said, don't you know, 
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what that statement he said, 
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He said they're going to be 
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truth and not mine. 
They want to follow me on their 

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terms and not on mine. 
They are taking my word and 

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they're turning it to their 
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and say that they're honoring 
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But I know their heart and the 
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You don't know people's hearts. 
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right? 
And so he's like dealing with 

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them. 
He says, look, I'm trying, I'm 

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trying to demonstrate. 
I'm trying to give the Kingdom 

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to people and you're shutting it
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Now I've been to some places 
before where someone said, well,

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you know, let's just stay with 
Jesus Christ out on the cross 

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and rose from the grave. 
Well, Jesus did die on the cross

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and he rose from the grave. 
And if you call on his name, you

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will be saved. 
But he said some more and the 

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kingdom's deeper than that. 
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no, let's just stay here. 
Well, what are you doing? 

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You're you're establishing A 
tradition that I do not want to 

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go deeper. 
I do not want to understand 

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revelation. 
I want to serve God or let him 

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save me upon this position of 
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Because the deeper you go with 
God, the more and you're 

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pruning, the more you're casting
down, the more you're having to 

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change your thinking, the more 
you're like, you know what, all 

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these years I thought that was, 
you know, scriptural. 

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You know, cleanliness is next to
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What? 
Hallelujah. 

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It's all right if you look, as 
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That's not in the Bible. 
Neither one of them say Amen. 

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I mean, there's a lot we could 
say, right? 

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But again, you have to have a 
hunger. 

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You jump down to verse 15. 
He goes on and says this Woe to 

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you, scribes, Pharisees, 
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OK, verse 15, jump down to verse
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He says, what do you scribes, 
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Because you travel around on sea
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and when he becomes 1, you make 
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as yourself. 
Well, what does that look like? 

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Right? 
I mean, what does that look 

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like? 
Well, proselyte, we don't really

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use this. 
This word is actually only used 

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four times in the New Testament.
And the word itself is not 

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negative. 
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literally just means convert. 
It means to convert. 

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Are you hearing me? 
It means to convert. 

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Now I'm going to put my glasses 
on so I can see it. 

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An app, some Bible reading. 
Without it, I will not be able 

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to read. 
OK. 

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And so I want, I'm going to, I'm
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illustrator says concerning this
particular passage of Scripture.

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OK, We are in Matthew 23, right 
in verse 15. 

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Because tell me, you know, does 
this sound like today a 

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proselyte, one that comes from a
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sect, to us a convert. 
Among the Jews there were two 

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types of proselytes. 
Proselytes of righteousness, or 

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those who wholly and fully 
embrace the Jewish religion, who

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were baptized, who are 
circumcised, and who conform to 

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all the rights of the Mosaic 
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The second was the proselytes of
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of the Jewish religion, renounce
the Pagan superstitions and 

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conform to some of the rights of
the Jews. 

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But we're not circumcised or 
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When he said, 2. 
Four more or twice the sun of 

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hell, that is twice as bad. 
To be a child of hell was a 

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Hebrew phrase signifying to be 
deserving of hell, to be awfully

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wicked. 
Jewish writers themselves say 

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that the proselytes were scabs 
of Israel, and hindered the 

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coming of the Messiah. 
By their great wickedness. 

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The Pharisees gained them either
to swell their own numbers, or 

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to make gain by extorting their 
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and when they had accomplished 
that they took no pains to 

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instruct them or to restrain 
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They had renounced their 
superstition, which they had 

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before somewhat restrained them,
but the Pharisee had given them 

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no religion in its place to 
restrain them, and they were 

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constantly left to the full 
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What does that mean? 
That means you're saved, and you

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can still do anything you want. 
They were a convert, but they 

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weren't disciples. 
Are you hearing me, Audrey? 

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Would you come hand me that mic 
please? 

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Audrey has received a word from 
the Lord and when she was 

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telling me about it, I said save
it for service because what the 

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Lord spoke to you will be 
applicable at a particular time 

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when I minister. 
And I wanted to release what the

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Lord showed her because this is 
just a convert. 

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So yesterday I was studying out 
and the Word in the Lord showed 

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me the difference between 
Stillwater and flowing spring 

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water in the natural. 
And when you have Stillwater, it

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sits stagnant and it harbors 
bacteria at harbors, fungus at 

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harbors, disease and pests. 
But when you have the flowing 

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water, the natural spring waters
that flow through the earth, it 

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actually gathers minerals and 
becomes pure. 

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And it's just like the word. 
When you allow the washing of 

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the water of the word to not 
become stagnant in your life, 

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those impurities will be washed 
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But then on the other hand, that
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in it and it has potassium and 
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your body. 
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water flowing through your body,
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and you're fully whole and you 
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And it's just a an amazing 
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It just blows my mind when God 
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to just just confirm his word. 
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Amen. 
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you go. 
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when it is first in a place is 
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it stays stagnant, at one point 
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you're brought into a clean 
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then all of a sudden it will put
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toxins will show up, 
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it'll be no good. 
And this is the description, you

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become twice the sun of hell 
because now you, you are 

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justified. 
Don't judge me. 

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I asked Jesus into my heart. 
There was nothing I could do to 

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earn it. 
There's nothing I have to do now

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that I'm in it. 
Was that what the scripture 

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Is that what it says? 

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The more I'm in the Scripture, 
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absolutely abnormal in the 
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And the things that I'm actually
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morning is elementary truth that
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have accepted Stillwater. 
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Today's proclaimed disciple 
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accountability and 
responsibility. 

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They don't want to be 
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the responsibility to serve 
anywhere. 

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They just want a fellowship with
everybody come and go where they

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when they want to do what they 
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to do it with. 
And God's good with me. 

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You can't tell me otherwise. 
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otherwise. 
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Lord on their terms, not his. 
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do. 
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to a convert. 
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knew man, we're not right with 
God. 

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We need something different. 
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you realize that's the way to 
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If you repent, you come into His
Kingdom. 

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But if you only come in as a 
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become twice the Son of hell. 
I say that because you'll 

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proclaim to your workplace, your
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you're right with God, but you 
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Hallelujah. 
Now turn over to Matthew 16. 

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Matthew 16. 
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Simon Peter answers Jesus 
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question, you know, who do 
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Now who do you say that I am? 
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Christ, the Son of the living 
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Christ is equivalent to the 
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the King, the anointed one, the 
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establish his Kingdom forever. 
Amen. 

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And then Jesus in verse 18 says 
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Rock, which is interesting 
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and Jesus is the capital rock. 
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Same thing as Jesus is the 
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small case king. 
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But he goes upon this rock, 
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am the king, the Christ. 
OK, I will build my church. 

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And the gates of hell or Hades 
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Aren't you glad of that? 
Hallelujah? 

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He goes on then and says, now 
I'll give you the keys of the 

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Kingdom. 
Now remember the Pharisees will 

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stop you from entering the 
Kingdom of heaven. 

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But Jesus said, I'll give you 
the keys of it. 

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And whatever you bind on earth 
shall have been bound in heaven.

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Whatever you loose on earth 
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heaven. 
So a Pharisee or religious 

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teaching or conversion alone 
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Kingdom. 
They'll give you this idea that 

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no matter how you live, as long 
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heart, that's all that matters. 
Yet Jesus never preached that 

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good news. 
Jesus preached the good news of 

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his Kingdom and he said, I'm 
going to build my church. 

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Now how does he build his 
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He gives a mandate to those who 
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He did not call them his 
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disciples. 
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different than just a proselyte,
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convert. 
Now do you need to be converted?

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Yes. 
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is conversion. 
You must be converted. 

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Converted or from the domain of 
darkness into the Kingdom of His

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beloved Son. 
You are to be changed from a 

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spirit that is dead, separated 
from God, to have a new spirit 

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that's alive to God. 
It is conversion. 

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You are being converted. 
You are converting from your old

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way of living for yourself, and 
you're turning and living your 

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life now for the one you have 
submitted to as supreme in 

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authority. 
But that action of conversion is

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not the only thing Jesus wanted.
Jesus required discipleship. 

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He says this in Matthew chapter 
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And Jesus came up and spoke to 
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How much authority? 
Remember he said, now my 

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father's chosen gladly to give 
you the Kingdom. 

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I'm going to build my church and
I'm going to give you the keys 

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of the Kingdom. 
I'm not going to hinder you from

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getting into the Kingdom. 
I want you in it and I want you 

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operating in it. 
I want you functioning in it. 

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I want you to living the 
lifestyle of it. 

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Hallelujah. 
I want you to have it all that 

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God originally had for you when 
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place. 
Let's make man in our image 

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according to our likeness and 
let him have dominion or rule. 

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He wants you to rule and reign 
again with him. 

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He is the supreme ruler, but we 
get to rule with him. 

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Hallelujah. 
So then he goes on and says this

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go there for all authorities 
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and and on earth. 
So where does he have authority?

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Where does he not have it right?
He has authority. 

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Now, having authority doesn't 
mean he makes you submit your 

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will to his will. 
You have to do that. 

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But he has the authority to 
assign your will to the place 

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you wanted. 
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whether that's the lake of fire,
which is a second to death, is 

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up to you because he has all 
authority. 

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He is the judge of the living 
and the dead. 

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OK, go there for and make not 
proselytes. 

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So let me say this, God never 
said go win the lost. 

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The role of the church is not to
win lost people. 

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The role of the church is to 
disciple people. 

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And in order for people to be 
discipled, the lost must be 

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saved to start the process of 
discipleship. 

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We are not here just to win lost
people because we act like the 

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minute we bring them over the 
finish line, what the finish 

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line is, the cross, we get them 
to accept Jesus as we did it. 

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You won, we're done next person 
and there are so many set up 

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this way to where they're like, 
you need to change your your 

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life's not right, You're right 
as she's in your heart, you 

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getting OK, good. 
You know where you're going to 

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go and he's died now I'm going 
to go on to the next. 

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So that's what we're doing. 
We're just trying to win the 

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lost, win the lost, win the 
lost, get people converted, get 

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people to ask Jesus into their 
heart. 

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Just get people to ask she's in 
their heart. 

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All that matters is that people 
ask Jesus into their heart. 

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That's not all that matters. 
And Jesus never said just do 

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that. 
Now some people would argue, but

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if you've done that, then you'll
follow him. 

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That's not so when the Scripture
bears that out, that being 

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converted alone does not 
guarantee you'll walk it out. 

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It requires discipleship. 
And again, don't take my word 

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for it. 
I'm going to take you to 

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Scripture. 
So he says, go therefore and 

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make disciples of all nations, 
baptizing them in the name of 

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the Father, Son, the Holy 
Spirit. 

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Now again, if we just stop 
there, discipleship looks like 

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conversion and water baptism. 
Ask him into your heart, baptize

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him in water in the name of the 
Father, Son, the Holy Ghost, 

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we're done. 
But what's the next verse say? 

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Teaching them to, to, to all? 
Whoo Hallelujah. 

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So again, it's not about you 
asking Jesus into your heart 

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alone, it's about because you're
asking Jesus to save you. 

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This is the cost cause Jesus to 
build his church and not 

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building a church off of 
converts. 

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He builds his church off 
disciples, and disciples are 

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born again, baptized in water 
filled with the Holy Ghost. 

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Hallelujah. 
And they are taught to observe 

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all that I commanded you not 
only observe that I died on the 

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cross and rose from the grave. 
That's all that matters. 

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And you know what? 
Ministries all over the place. 

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Well, it's semantics, you know, 
'cause what you believe and what

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we believe. 
And you know, why are we, why is

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that an acceptable norm? 
Where is hunger and thirst for 

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the truth of God's word and 
wanting to seek him and know him

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and know his ways and understand
him and grow in the word and 

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change our thinking. 
In fact, Jesus when he starts 

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his ministry doesn't say be 
converted. 

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He says repent, change your 
thinking, for the Kingdom of 

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heaven is at hand. 
And you know as well as I do, 

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there's a whole lot of change in
a thinking that takes place 

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after conversion after 
conversion. 

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Now, I'm not going to ask you to
raise your hands, but you can 

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raise them on the inside. 
You were born again. 

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But you you could say I know 
specific sins I have committed 

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after being born of God. 
I'm not asking you to divulge 

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yourself, I'm just saying. 
So you being born of God did not

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stop you from still living like 
a son of hell. 

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But many of you now I ask you to
raise your hand, can say when I 

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started to become a disciple and
renew my mind and change my 

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thinking as a believer, I quit 
doing things that I used to do. 

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Right now that's a whole nother 
ball game. 

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And that came because now the 
Holy Spirit came to live on the 

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inside of you. 
And what's he doing? 

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He's here to teach you all 
things to observe and do 

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Hallelujah. 
So here's the question. 

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All right, let me define this 
word disciple here in this 

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passage of Scripture, because he
said go and make disciples. 

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Disciple means this. 
It means to follow his precepts 

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and instructions. 
Enroll as a scholar. 

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You know, we say enroll as a 
scholar, right? 

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But you know, people can enroll 
in school and never study. 

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That's not what's being implied 
here. 

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He is saying you enroll as a 
scholar, meaning you have come 

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to learn and so and you're 
learning is to follow his 

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precepts and instructions, not 
to know them, to follow them, 

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not to know them, to follow 
them. 

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That means you practice them, 
you're a doer of them. 

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He says go make disciples, go 
make people teach them to 

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follow, to do my precepts, my 
instructions. 

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In fact, their lifestyle will 
bear out. 

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They are like me because that 
means they're my disciple. 

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Now this comes from another 
Greek word that means a learner,

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A pupil. 
I mean, again, what does this 

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look like? 
This is not someone who's 

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casually OK, I'm going to meddle
a little bit this morning. 

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There's no way you can 
understand everything being 

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taught from the platform without
taking some notes somewhere. 

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I would love to believe that you
all have photographic memories, 

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but we know that's not true and 
so you have to see yourself 

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here. 
Not as a spectator, not as check

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in a box, but as I've come to 
learn. 

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And so maybe you're not a great 
note taker here and you're like,

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I just love it when you release 
it because I play it over and 

451
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:09,840
over. 
And if you are a audible learner

452
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:13,240
and you're actually doing that 
as some people I know in this 

453
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:15,880
congregation does that they 
record it. 

454
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:19,640
In fact, I have one that kind of
records kind of rogue on me. 

455
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:22,520
They, you know, put their phone 
out and it's recording now 

456
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:25,000
because they're not waiting for 
that thing to drop at all 

457
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:27,000
because they're going to listen 
to it again today. 

458
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:30,000
When I say rogue, I mean that in
the nicest way because they're 

459
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:32,000
not being rebellious. 
They're that hungry. 

460
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:34,880
Like, I'm not waiting for this 
thing to drop. 

461
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:38,320
I'm getting mine now. 
Are you hearing me? 

462
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:41,000
Because I've got to hear it 
again and I need to hear it 

463
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:43,280
again and I need to hear it 
again and I need to hear it 

464
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:45,680
again. 
So with a wash, why I need that 

465
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:47,320
water to flow. 
I need that thing. 

466
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:50,720
Because again, if all you do is 
hear this one time with me today

467
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:53,240
and it doesn't come back and 
flow through you. 

468
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:56,400
I mean honestly our vision 
partnership is larger than the 

469
00:31:56,400 --> 00:32:00,720
views that we have accounted for
on YouTube, which tells me the 

470
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:05,920
majority of you are not going 
back and watching same in 

471
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:09,400
anyway. 
Because a disciple is one who is

472
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:15,720
a constant learner. 
It also comes from another Greek

473
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:20,600
word that means this to learn by
practice or experience, acquire 

474
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:27,080
a custom or habit. 
Now this is beyond conversion 

475
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:33,080
and this is the Greek word. 
So when Jesus said go make 

476
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:36,600
disciples, they understood what 
he was saying. 

477
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:43,640
Oh, you want us to enroll them? 
So your church is like a 

478
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:47,000
Education Center. 
But really we know it's more 

479
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:50,320
than education. 
It's an equipping center because

480
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:52,920
it's here to equip you. 
And part of equipping is to 

481
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:55,040
educate you. 
But education alone doesn't do 

482
00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:56,880
you any good because that'll 
just make you a Pharisee. 

483
00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:59,360
So you got to be an equipped 
person that actually is a doer 

484
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:04,880
of the Word, right? 
And yet many places are 

485
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:11,040
satisfied with padding numbers 
of conversion but not giving 

486
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:13,640
them training to overcome in 
life. 

487
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:20,080
And for those that are 
diligently wanting to equip, 

488
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:29,040
there is much pushback because 
an equiper will make a demand on

489
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:32,880
the hearer that you can't live 
God the way you want to. 

490
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:40,280
In fact, in our nation, the 
equiper will say you have too 

491
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:43,720
much American in your Bible 
reading. 

492
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:47,640
You think you can go and read it
and think you can remain 

493
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:52,600
independent. 
You think freedom of speech is 

494
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:55,560
say what you want to say. 
But that doesn't happen in the 

495
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:58,320
Kingdom. 
In the Kingdom, there's a 

496
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:06,200
constraint of your tongue. 
You don't get to just blast and 

497
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:09,480
say what you want to. 
You don't get to give a piece of

498
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:13,040
your mind. 
Now you can, but that's not from

499
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:18,159
the Kingdom. 
Hallelujah. 

500
00:34:19,199 --> 00:34:20,880
I need somebody to smile a 
little bigger. 

501
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:26,360
So the reality is only Jesus, 
through his word can define what

502
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:33,199
a disciple looks like. 
And the question is, does Jesus 

503
00:34:33,199 --> 00:34:34,719
do that? 
Because here's the thing. 

504
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:39,280
How can Jesus say to his 
disciples upon his departure 

505
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:43,679
from planet earth go and make 
disciples if they have no idea 

506
00:34:43,679 --> 00:34:47,800
what it is? 
How can you make something you 

507
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:51,480
don't know how you've not been 
given a plan, a model, something

508
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:56,080
that describes to you what it is
so that you know, once they're 

509
00:34:56,080 --> 00:35:04,120
made, what they look like. 
So it's obvious that Jesus had 

510
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:08,200
to have instructed them 
somewhere in Scripture what the 

511
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:12,640
disciple looked like. 
Are you ready to hear? 

512
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:17,000
Do you have ears to hear? 
Are you sure? 

513
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:22,440
Turn over to Luke chapter 14. 
Luke chapter 14. 

514
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:25,720
We'll start in verse 25. 
Now again, I'm not saying this. 

515
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:30,720
This is not a pastor Earl, 
apostle Earl position. 

516
00:35:30,720 --> 00:35:37,400
This is not me making it up. 
This is not me making a demand 

517
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:39,960
on you. 
I have no demands on you. 

518
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:44,040
I'm just telling you what the 
king says because the king is 

519
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:47,680
talking right now in Luke 
chapter 14, the King's talking, 

520
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:52,240
The king, it says there's now 
large crowds were going along 

521
00:35:52,240 --> 00:35:54,840
with him and he turned and said 
to them, now who turned and said

522
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:58,000
to them, what's his name? 
Come on, what's his name? 

523
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:00,480
What's his name? 
What's his name? 

524
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:03,560
So notice large crowds, How many
crowds? 

525
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:06,120
How big are the crowds? 
They're large are going along 

526
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:08,640
with him. 
He turns and says to them, So 

527
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:14,960
large crowds following him does 
not mean they are disciples. 

528
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:21,280
He's going to let them know 
whether or not they qualify. 

529
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:29,440
Verse 26 if anyone comes to me, 
if conditional statement, which 

530
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:33,720
means he doesn't control that, 
you control that, He doesn't 

531
00:36:33,720 --> 00:36:37,160
control that, you control that, 
but he has established the 

532
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:42,320
condition. 
He's saying this is it, if 

533
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:49,000
anyone comes to me and does not 
hate his own father and mother 

534
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:54,320
and wife and children and 
brothers and sisters and yes, 

535
00:36:54,320 --> 00:37:04,040
even his own life. 
He, he, he be my. 

536
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:22,720
I did not say this. 
You know that that anchor Faith 

537
00:37:22,720 --> 00:37:24,320
Church. 
They just demand too much, you 

538
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:28,920
know. 
What about our families? 

539
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:35,520
What about your families? 
What about them? 

540
00:37:37,720 --> 00:37:41,440
Do you want to raise your family
as a disciple, or do you want to

541
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:49,000
raise them as a proselyte? 
How do you want to raise them? 

542
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:57,200
Because proselytes. 
They're converted, but they live

543
00:37:57,200 --> 00:38:00,160
God on their terms. 
A disciple. 

544
00:38:00,240 --> 00:38:05,000
Jesus says if you love anything 
more than me. 

545
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:14,280
So I don't understand how a 
disciple can say God understands

546
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:21,200
I need family time. 
Well, there's 168 hours in a 

547
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:25,040
week. 
Let's just break it down real 

548
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:27,200
quick. 
Do some math since you're 

549
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:30,640
thinking because I am here to 
create critical thinkers. 

550
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:36,880
Quit drinking the Kool-aid that 
they act like I'm serving. 

551
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:42,400
OK, because you're not obligated
to believe anything I say. 

552
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:46,520
Anyone can walk out at any time 
and you came in on your own 

553
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:51,720
accord anyway. 
But there's 168 hours, of which 

554
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:57,880
the majority of parents work at 
least 40 hours a week, maybe 

555
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:01,720
more, that they willfully have 
no problem being separated from 

556
00:39:01,720 --> 00:39:06,480
their children. 
Then they will participate in a 

557
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:10,720
lot of sports activities most of
the time or extracurricular with

558
00:39:10,720 --> 00:39:13,960
their children. 
Work your hours, which means now

559
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:17,840
Monday through Saturday, there's
a lot of time away from home, 

560
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:21,920
whether through work or doing 
something, some extracurricular 

561
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:25,400
activity with your children. 
Then you got to help do the 

562
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:28,160
house. 
So again, when you come back to 

563
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:33,520
the church and say, well, you 
understand, we've been so busy. 

564
00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:37,240
Well, were you not spending time
with your children when they 

565
00:39:37,240 --> 00:39:39,840
were doing sports or were they 
playing sports and you were on 

566
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:44,360
your phone? 
I mean, why is it all of a 

567
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:51,760
sudden Sunday is the only time 
of the two hours you're here? 

568
00:39:53,040 --> 00:40:00,840
That's too much of A demand. 
But yet I don't make the demand.

569
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:04,320
We just do things in the 
ministry based upon the 

570
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:09,240
scripture that says is he first 
and if he's 1st and the children

571
00:40:09,240 --> 00:40:11,880
know he's first, the children 
love him first. 

572
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:14,680
The children are trained and 
taught that he's 1st and that 

573
00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:18,360
everything else is secondary. 
In fact, all relationships 

574
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:22,640
should seem like hatred when 
compared to Jesus. 

575
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:29,280
And the minute you ask me to 
choose a relationship over the 

576
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:32,640
church and Jesus, who happens to
be the head of the church, then 

577
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:35,640
basically you're telling me to 
hate Jesus. 

578
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:42,200
Now it sounds hard, but it's OK 
because let's look at that 

579
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:44,880
scripture again and no one's 
here to can. 

580
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:48,000
These are not condemning things.
These are just is he first cuz 

581
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:49,960
to a person at first, there's no
big deal. 

582
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:52,600
We come, we love it, we love 
everything about it. 

583
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:54,720
We love the Lord. 
Our kids love the Lord. 

584
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:58,040
We're not burned out because 
we're always having a fresh flow

585
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:00,960
of the anointing and the words 
of life flowing through our 

586
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:04,280
lives And we're we're giving out
and we're touching people's 

587
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:06,160
lives. 
We're giving out so much in our 

588
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:07,880
everyday lives. 
We're like, we've got to get 

589
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:10,480
back in the symbol cuz I need to
get filled back up. 

590
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:12,320
I need to get back in the 
assembly. 

591
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:14,320
I need to hear from the voice of
Lord. 

592
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:17,640
I'm a disciple, I need to learn,
I need to grow. 

593
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:20,160
I'm a pupil. 
In fact, I wish I could be in 

594
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:25,240
church all the time. 
I mean, it's going to be tough 

595
00:41:25,240 --> 00:41:31,160
when you go to heaven. 
Are we worshipping him again? 

596
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:38,160
I mean, because how long, how 
many times you going to be at 

597
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:42,040
the church? 
Well, as often as the Lord 

598
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:46,960
requires, it wants, it asks of 
me to do it because I'm his 

599
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:52,320
disciple. 
I follow him if anyone comes 

600
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:55,080
after me and does not hate his 
own father and mother and wife 

601
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:57,440
and children. 
Now again, this doesn't mean 

602
00:41:57,440 --> 00:42:00,720
that we're at odds with them. 
This doesn't mean we're mean to 

603
00:42:00,720 --> 00:42:03,320
them. 
This just means in comparison to

604
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:07,120
relationships we establish in 
our home and in all of our 

605
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:11,360
relationships with our extended 
family and just even in work, we

606
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:13,800
say, listen, the First things 
first. 

607
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:18,360
It's my Lord Jesus and I'm not 
letting anything come before it,

608
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:21,400
period. 
Because if you will let 

609
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:25,120
something come before it, then 
he says you cannot be my 

610
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:27,160
disciple. 
I didn't say that He did. 

611
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:34,760
Whoever does not carry his own 
cross and come after me cannot. 

612
00:42:35,240 --> 00:42:39,360
Now you understand cross 
carrying is a big deal because 

613
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:46,080
again, all of us are thankful 
Jesus carried his cross and his 

614
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:51,800
cross was our punishment. 
His cross was my sin. 

615
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:56,560
His cross was my transgression. 
His cross was my disobedience 

616
00:42:57,280 --> 00:43:00,520
and yours and everyone else that
ever was born on the planet. 

617
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:06,200
And then my Lord says, now you 
have a cross to carry, you have 

618
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:07,800
a purpose. 
There's something you're going 

619
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:12,560
to have to sacrifice, there's 
something sacrificial about your

620
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:15,320
life in order for you to be a 
disciple. 

621
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:19,080
Because if you don't have that, 
then you're not my disciple. 

622
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:22,360
So you understand there's no 
such thing in the Bible of a 

623
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:27,160
casual Christian. 
That's a new thing that's 

624
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:30,040
manifested in the Western 
church. 

625
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:34,000
Again, we can fellowship and 
sing and worship God on our own 

626
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:38,080
terms. 
This is not the disciple of the 

627
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:40,440
Bible. 
It's not the disciple that Jesus

628
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:43,120
is talking about. 
And you understand Jesus is 

629
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:45,840
life. 
You can't be with Him and Him 

630
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:50,280
not infuse you with life. 
He will never make such a demand

631
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:52,400
on you. 
The only reason why you would 

632
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:56,840
ever get strained burden and 
beat down is called number one. 

633
00:43:56,840 --> 00:44:00,440
You do not bear well under the 
trial that comes with a 

634
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:03,240
disciple. 
We'll talk about that one later.

635
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:08,520
Secondly, it's because when you 
come, you're not actually 

636
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:12,560
operating as a disciple, you're 
actually operating as a convert.

637
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:21,880
And that you are doing it on 
your terms, called the proselyte

638
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:27,560
that the Pharisees made, did 
religious traditions, but it was

639
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:30,680
their own effort on their own 
terms. 

640
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:36,840
And that's where burnout comes. 
But grace will not How could you

641
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:41,720
ever be burned out under grace? 
How can this happen? 

642
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:46,080
So the minute people say, well, 
I'm burned out, you left grace 

643
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:49,800
or you didn't activate grace by 
faith. 

644
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:57,360
Thank you Jesus, we're making 
disciples here. 

645
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:01,840
So he goes on in verse 28 for 
which one of you when he wants 

646
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:08,080
to build a tower does not first 
sit down and calculate the cost 

647
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:11,640
to see if he has enough to 
complete it. 

648
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:15,560
Now these listen, these are in 
chapters in verse for us, but 

649
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:18,480
you know, this is just something
Jesus pinned and it all runs 

650
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:21,120
together. 
He is talking about discipleship

651
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:23,720
and how what he considers a 
disciple of his. 

652
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:26,640
So he this is not a different 
chain of thought. 

653
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:31,720
This is not a financial, this is
not a he doesn't stop saying let

654
00:45:31,720 --> 00:45:36,720
me talk to you about finance. 
He's not talking about finance. 

655
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:42,880
He's talking about discipleship.
He is describing what a disciple

656
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:48,120
that he would call his does. 
So he's saying now listen, if 

657
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:58,840
you are my disciple, Ma, I'm 
first now, how do I know? 

658
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:01,280
How do you know how to did you 
know? 

659
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:03,440
How do you know that I'm first 
in your life? 

660
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:09,480
Because you should have counted 
a cost for which of one of you? 

661
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:13,960
And again, this doesn't make 
sense if all we're doing is 

662
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:20,400
giving a message of conversion. 
This is not a required thought 

663
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:23,920
process. 
But if we're giving alter calls 

664
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:27,600
with this in mind, they're going
to sound a little different. 

665
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:33,160
For which one of you, when he 
builds, wants to build a tower, 

666
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:36,160
does not first sit down and 
calculate the cost to see if he 

667
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:38,960
has enough to complete it. 
Otherwise, when he has laid a 

668
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:42,680
foundation and is not able to 
finish it all, who observe it 

669
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:47,480
begin to what? 
Ridicule him saying this man 

670
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:50,800
began to build and was not able 
to finish? 

671
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:57,600
Let's go on verse 31. 
Or what king, when he sets out 

672
00:46:57,600 --> 00:47:02,440
to meet another king in battle, 
will not first sit down and 

673
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:05,600
consider whether he is strong 
enough with 10,000 men to 

674
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:10,720
encounter the one coming against
him with 20,000, or else while 

675
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:15,440
the other is still far away, he 
sends a delegation and asks for 

676
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:18,040
terms of peace. 
Verse 33. 

677
00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:22,440
So now this is in between two 
statements of disciples. 

678
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:24,880
So this is not a different 
thought. 

679
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:29,320
This is not a financial seminar 
in the middle of discipleship. 

680
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:31,480
This is not Pastor. 
Did you count the call? 

681
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:33,320
So whether we were going to be 
able to finish JC Penney when we

682
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:36,800
build that out, I counted the 
call before I even said anything

683
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:42,800
because it's not a numbers game.
It's a faith game. 

684
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:46,200
It's not even a numbers game. 
It's a faith game. 

685
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:55,640
What did the king say? 
OK, so then none of you who's 

686
00:47:55,640 --> 00:48:02,080
talking and it's quiet in this. 
Don't, don't make me go to coach

687
00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:06,160
mode, please. 
Come on, respond for me, right? 

688
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:13,000
Respond to the king. 
So then none of you can be my 

689
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:13,960
disciples. 
Come on. 

690
00:48:20,310 --> 00:48:23,390
Who does not give up all his own
possessions? 

691
00:48:26,350 --> 00:48:30,080
Wow. 
Now I am not picking up an 

692
00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:33,000
offering right now. 
That's not what this verse is. 

693
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:35,720
This verse is not an offerings 
verse. 

694
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:39,480
This is not you actually going 
and liquidating everything you 

695
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:40,880
own. 
That's not what he's saying. 

696
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:43,880
Everything that is in your 
possession, you should consider 

697
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:46,400
it mine. 
Mine alone. 

698
00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:49,680
Nothing owns you. 
Only I own you. 

699
00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:58,600
And don't you let a job, a 
house, a car, a boat, a 

700
00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:07,600
vacation, a retirement dictate 
how you gonna live. 

701
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:13,880
Verse 34, didn't we say we? 
I didn't say we're going to go 

702
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:17,960
to verse 35. 
Verse 34 says, therefore, let me

703
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:19,760
hold off on that and I'll come 
back to that thought. 

704
00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:24,440
So Jesus is defining 
discipleship. 

705
00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:28,840
In essence, it's everything. 
Here's the thing, He His altar 

706
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:32,520
call would sound like this. 
Do you want to have life and 

707
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:35,840
life more abundantly? 
Do you want your life to be 

708
00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:39,880
forgiven of all your sins? 
Do you want to have the power 

709
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:42,320
and purpose of God to resonate 
within you? 

710
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:46,760
Then understand this. 
I will freely forgive you of 

711
00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:49,880
everything you've done wrong. 
But know this, to come and 

712
00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:53,680
accept that it's going to cost 
you everything. 

713
00:49:56,920 --> 00:50:01,880
It's not for you to come and to 
receive and go back and live the

714
00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:11,400
way you've been living. 
So if you're not ready to quit 

715
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:20,120
everything that you're doing, 
don't come because I'm not here 

716
00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:23,480
to convert you. 
I want a disciple. 

717
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:31,280
It'd be better for you to stay 
in your seat than it would be 

718
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:34,520
for you to come down. 
Because you, you got to admit, 

719
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:37,640
many of us are disheartened when
someone gets born again in the 

720
00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:38,760
next Sunday. 
We don't see them. 

721
00:50:41,560 --> 00:50:42,960
I mean, I thought you were born 
again. 

722
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:46,120
I thought you asked Jesus to be 
Lord of your life. 

723
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:51,360
I thought that you wanted God's 
forgiveness and his life. 

724
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:58,160
Yet where are you? 
But again, the converted message

725
00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:00,560
is just as Jesus into your 
heart, you know, save you and 

726
00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:04,360
that's all that matters. 
And then they can walk back into

727
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:08,720
the same lifestyle because 
again, many of them won't even 

728
00:51:08,720 --> 00:51:10,920
do it initially. 
If they're really asked Jesus, 

729
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:12,000
they're going to be a little 
different. 

730
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:15,280
But the Bible is very clear that
when the seed gets in you and 

731
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:18,720
you start to grow, the attacks 
are going to come to a disciple.

732
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:22,240
And it's used remaining and 
counting that cost that I will 

733
00:51:22,240 --> 00:51:27,080
not let anything tear me away 
because God will not leave me or

734
00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:29,480
forsake me. 
So I am going to be like Him, 

735
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:34,000
not leave or forsake Him. 
And if you don't have that kind 

736
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:38,320
of tenacity, but how can a 
person say they're truly saved 

737
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:45,800
and then never darken the door 
of a church again, not have some

738
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:48,720
fruit in keeping with 
repentance. 

739
00:51:50,240 --> 00:51:54,360
Now let's go to verse 34. 
Same context. 

740
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:58,640
It hasn't changed themes. 
Therefore, salt is good. 

741
00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:10,120
But if even salt becomes 
tasteless, with what will it be 

742
00:52:10,120 --> 00:52:13,560
seasoned? 
That's interesting. 

743
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:16,400
What's salt have to do with 
discipleship? 

744
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:20,240
Because again, chapters and 
verses we all. 

745
00:52:20,240 --> 00:52:22,720
This is verse 34 and 35. 
Totally new subject here. 

746
00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:29,280
No, no, no it's not. 
He just made a whole statement. 

747
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:31,400
This is what a disciple looks 
like. 

748
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:34,200
If you're mine, this is what I 
expect. 

749
00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:38,560
And listen, you better count the
cost before you come because it 

750
00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:41,240
cost you everything. 
And I'm not asking you to do 

751
00:52:41,240 --> 00:52:48,080
anything I haven't done. 
You didn't have to die for the 

752
00:52:48,080 --> 00:52:52,680
world, I did that. 
But you do have to lay down your

753
00:52:52,680 --> 00:52:57,400
life like I did and follow me. 
I am Lord. 

754
00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:00,960
And this is what? 
There's no relationship higher 

755
00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:04,280
than me. 
No excuses. 

756
00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:07,560
Count the cost. 
Because if you start this 

757
00:53:07,560 --> 00:53:14,440
process and don't finish it, 
people going to mock you, laugh 

758
00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:19,120
at you. 
How many times have you heard it

759
00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:21,040
at your place of business? 
Oh, well, you're on fire. 

760
00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:22,600
Yeah, but that, that, that'll 
wane. 

761
00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:27,080
They're just waiting for you to 
wane, waiting for you to get 

762
00:53:27,080 --> 00:53:29,240
tired again, waiting for you to 
act like them again. 

763
00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:34,200
That way when your presence 
shows up, they don't feel the 

764
00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:39,360
conviction of God anymore, 
right? 

765
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:43,560
That's why they work even harder
to get you back in sin. 

766
00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:49,720
But he goes on and says if salt 
is good, but if even salt has 

767
00:53:49,720 --> 00:53:51,840
become tasteless, with what will
it be seasoned? 

768
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:56,560
Verse 35, it is useless for the 
soil or for the manure pile. 

769
00:53:57,440 --> 00:54:02,840
It is thrown out. 
Then he says, he who has ears to

770
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:04,600
hear, let him hear. 
What's he saying? 

771
00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:07,520
He's saying don't come and say 
you're my disciple. 

772
00:54:08,120 --> 00:54:14,560
Start this deal and then lose 
your zeal. 

773
00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:23,640
Because if you start living like
a proselyte, what use do I have 

774
00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:26,600
with you? 
Well, this will go in line of 

775
00:54:26,640 --> 00:54:28,480
things like this. 
Lord. 

776
00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:35,160
Lord, didn't we depart from me? 
I was never personally 

777
00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:41,960
acquainted with you. 
So we see that the scripture 

778
00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:46,280
itself doesn't support a once 
saved, always saved mentality, 

779
00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:52,840
but it does for those who count 
the cost and say he's mine and 

780
00:54:52,840 --> 00:54:56,400
I'm his and there's nothing that
will get in the way of that. 

781
00:54:57,360 --> 00:55:00,520
And that's clearly stated out. 
So we can clearly see that Jesus

782
00:55:00,520 --> 00:55:03,400
our Lord never intended that a 
person would just confess with 

783
00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:07,120
her mouth once without 
developing the lifestyle from 

784
00:55:07,120 --> 00:55:12,800
that confession. 
The Bible is not converting us 

785
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:18,480
to Christianity. 
The Bible is a training tool for

786
00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:25,520
disciples for those that want to
study and know the Lord. 

787
00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:27,640
Let's close with this scripture 
here. 

788
00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:32,320
Matthew 1624 to 25. 
Hallelujah. 

789
00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:40,480
Then Jesus said to his 
disciples, if anyone wishes to 

790
00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:47,200
come after me, he must deny 
himself, take up his cross, and 

791
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:49,600
follow me. 
For whoever wishes to save his 

792
00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:57,520
life will, But whoever loses his
life for my sake, we'll find. 

793
00:55:59,560 --> 00:56:03,560
Jesus lets us know that the 
disciple doesn't call the shots.

794
00:56:04,720 --> 00:56:14,980
The disciple follows what's 
being spoken by the King, and 

795
00:56:14,980 --> 00:56:18,660
the King only speaks from the 
heart of his Father. 

796
00:56:19,540 --> 00:56:26,340
And the Father loves you and is 
giving you words of life, and 

797
00:56:26,340 --> 00:56:32,040
he's asking you to do things at 
times that in your flesh, you're

798
00:56:32,040 --> 00:56:42,100
not going to undo it. 
I do not come to service on 

799
00:56:42,100 --> 00:56:46,140
Sunday because I oversee this 
vision. 

800
00:56:46,620 --> 00:56:51,700
That's not why I come. 
Because there are plenty who can

801
00:56:51,700 --> 00:56:54,460
fill this pulpit. 
And Pastor Mike, he had a 

802
00:56:54,460 --> 00:56:59,240
powerful word last Sunday, 
powerful word about wandering. 

803
00:56:59,560 --> 00:57:02,560
In fact, there's something he 
said prophetic concerning anger,

804
00:57:02,560 --> 00:57:04,880
faith church. 
And I took that little section 

805
00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:09,120
out and I've put it over in a 
note and I'm meditating on that.

806
00:57:09,120 --> 00:57:13,360
I'm like, and I just, it seems 
like that is a prophetic word 

807
00:57:13,480 --> 00:57:21,360
for us. 
You're so well equipped and I 

808
00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:29,200
could easily call and say, hey, 
I'm not coming in this morning. 

809
00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:32,640
You take it and they can take 
it. 

810
00:57:34,280 --> 00:57:40,520
I mean, I have at least 100 
people right now that could get 

811
00:57:40,520 --> 00:57:45,440
up in this platform and minister
a word easy, no problem. 

812
00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:57,840
So for 100 days I could call out
because I'm not feeling it and 

813
00:57:57,840 --> 00:58:04,280
say, but I love the Lord. 
I asked him into my heart, you 

814
00:58:04,280 --> 00:58:05,680
know, I made sure it was 
covered. 

815
00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:14,720
We'll give them an opportunity, 
but God knows in my heart, I 

816
00:58:14,720 --> 00:58:16,080
just don't feel like coming 
today. 

817
00:58:19,000 --> 00:58:26,600
Am I not feeling or when I used 
to work secularly, especially 

818
00:58:26,600 --> 00:58:30,080
third shift, there were times I 
was going to leave and my wife 

819
00:58:30,560 --> 00:58:34,680
did not want me to go to work. 
Whoo, those were tough nights, 

820
00:58:35,320 --> 00:58:42,320
tough nights, tough nights. 
And there were some nights I 

821
00:58:42,320 --> 00:58:45,880
called in sick, not because I 
was physically sick, but I was 

822
00:58:45,880 --> 00:58:50,440
sick of not being with my wife 
and she wanted me to be there. 

823
00:58:50,560 --> 00:58:56,040
And so I made a phone call. 
True, but there are many nights 

824
00:58:56,040 --> 00:59:02,440
because they didn't have that 
much leave then I'm like, I have

825
00:59:02,440 --> 00:59:07,200
to go. 
I don't want to, but I have to, 

826
00:59:08,680 --> 00:59:12,120
right? 
And my relationship with my king

827
00:59:13,920 --> 00:59:19,880
is a want and a have to and have
to is not a negative. 

828
00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:25,760
We've become so religiously 
brainwashed by Pharisees and 

829
00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:30,080
hypocrites that when we act 
like, oh, you have to, you have 

830
00:59:30,080 --> 00:59:33,520
to accept Jesus as your Lord and
savior to be born again. 

831
00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:37,760
Nobody has a problem with that 
command. 

832
00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:42,120
Well, you know, I don't want to 
be told what to give Jesus to 

833
00:59:42,120 --> 00:59:45,880
tell you what to give. 
Well, if he tells me, then I 

834
00:59:45,880 --> 00:59:48,600
it's not in my heart. 
Well, was it not in your heart 

835
00:59:48,600 --> 00:59:51,720
to get born again because he 
told you how to be saved? 

836
00:59:54,720 --> 00:59:57,840
He didn't say, well, you figure 
it out because I want your heart

837
00:59:57,840 --> 00:59:59,680
in it. 
No, he said, this is the only 

838
00:59:59,680 --> 01:00:01,960
way. 
It's a command. 

839
01:00:03,720 --> 01:00:08,600
You have to do it that way. 
And we were like, I want to 

840
01:00:09,640 --> 01:00:11,080
because you've told me how I 
have to. 

841
01:00:12,920 --> 01:00:15,840
And thank you for telling me 
because I'd hate to have to 

842
01:00:15,840 --> 01:00:18,840
figure it out on my own because 
I've tried that and it didn't 

843
01:00:18,840 --> 01:00:21,880
work. 
And so in this last scripture we

844
01:00:21,880 --> 01:00:24,280
just read, this is Jesus is 
saying you want to be my 

845
01:00:24,280 --> 01:00:29,360
disciple. 
You got to lose your life. 

846
01:00:32,760 --> 01:00:39,800
The first question I'm going to 
ask is to the believer, the 

847
01:00:39,800 --> 01:00:45,000
convert, because I know there's 
converts in this room. 

848
01:00:48,200 --> 01:00:52,120
I know there's converts, but God
wants you to be a disciple. 

849
01:00:52,960 --> 01:00:55,920
God wants you to decide. 
Today I'm no longer living a 

850
01:00:55,920 --> 01:01:00,200
converted life. 
I'm giving. 

851
01:01:00,200 --> 01:01:02,840
I'm losing my life today once 
and for all. 

852
01:01:02,880 --> 01:01:09,560
It's no longer acceptable for me
to live God, this life that God 

853
01:01:09,560 --> 01:01:14,480
gave me on my own terms from 
here out, I lose it. 

854
01:01:14,960 --> 01:01:15,920
I lose my life.