1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:03,920 Natalie, you've got some big news to share in the new year. 2 00:00:03,920 --> 00:00:05,320 You want to tell us a little about that? 3 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:12,760 Yes, breaking back fans, I am newly with fanatics on the 4 00:00:12,760 --> 00:00:17,400 betting and gaming side, working on their loyalty team, working 5 00:00:17,400 --> 00:00:22,280 on the analytic side maintaining to your loyalty, working on 6 00:00:22,280 --> 00:00:26,880 benefit deliveries and really just in my dream sweet spot at 7 00:00:27,240 --> 00:00:34,280 25 years old. Hey everyone, I'm norm and this 8 00:00:34,280 --> 00:00:38,960 is breaking back tennis podcast for fans by fans reviewing all 9 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:42,600 aspects of the game through an unfiltered mic and I'm joined by 10 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:46,800 my Co host Peter JB and Natalie breaking down the betting 11 00:00:46,800 --> 00:00:57,880 market. I think I was in my hotel in New 12 00:00:57,880 --> 00:00:59,560 York one time when there was a women in. 13 00:00:59,800 --> 00:01:05,680 Sport This is a kids show. Did I say hotel room in my 14 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:06,320 hotel? Yeah. 15 00:01:06,320 --> 00:01:07,640 What? Was. 16 00:01:08,720 --> 00:01:12,160 The in the bar at the hotel, there was a huge women in 17 00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:15,320 sports. Oh yeah, meet up and it was like 18 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:20,000 100 women all like really young and they all work for like ESPN 19 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:22,640 or MSG or whatever it was. Pretty good, but yeah, it's 20 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:24,720 called Wise Women in Sports and Entertainment. 21 00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:29,680 I see what they did there. Yeah, invite now that I'll be a 22 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:31,400 resident of New York. Yeah. 23 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:33,880 Natalie, be dialed in there. Yeah. 24 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:37,480 Yeah, she's gonna be central to the program. 25 00:01:38,080 --> 00:01:42,760 They really like make these New York salary is like so awesome 26 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:46,720 and then you look at the rent on apartments and it's like I I 27 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:50,400 might as well just not take the game like it's insane you. 28 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:52,320 Didn't know that you're going to have to get a job bartending 29 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:53,240 too. Yeah. 30 00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:57,840 Right, come on, I think breaking back in fanatics is plenty for 31 00:01:57,840 --> 00:01:59,520 now, all. Right, all right. 32 00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:03,800 And then now you have to preface everything you say with this is 33 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:06,080 your opinion and your opinion only type thing do you have to 34 00:02:06,080 --> 00:02:07,960 have like a yeah. When we. 35 00:02:10,080 --> 00:02:13,080 When we like get into now's numbers, I'll just say like 36 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:17,120 disclaimer, all views on my own just in case I accidentally use 37 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:22,440 the wrong language. But in terms of like my opinions 38 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:25,720 about like tennis in general, no, it's just getting into like 39 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:28,280 the Nisha betting. Norm, we're going to have to 40 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:29,720 come up with that tool. You know, we're like, you know, 41 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:33,120 we bled out her face where it kind of like, buzzes out. 42 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:35,960 And then like change the voice and. 43 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:39,080 Then not Natalie, Yeah. Not. 44 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:44,480 Me, Natalie, when do you start? I started December 1st so. 45 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:45,800 Awesome. So far so good. 46 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:48,680 So far so good. I'm like. 47 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:51,840 So freaking pumped for you. Yeah, it's a great challenge. 48 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:54,000 Like it's everything I've been looking for. 49 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:57,000 So I'm working on the loyalty teams. 50 00:02:57,000 --> 00:03:00,880 So we're basically building out like a loyalty program with 51 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:03,360 Fanatics. I was talking to Declan about 52 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:06,960 this, but he's loving like the fan cash back or basically if 53 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:10,320 you place a bet on Fanatics, you get fan cash back that you can 54 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:14,840 go use to buy a jersey or buy a trading card or things like 55 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:16,400 that. How does fanatics? 56 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:18,880 How is it different from Hard Rock bet? 57 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:21,680 I mean, it's I, I think it's. Like platform, right? 58 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:27,160 It's so they have like basically three main verticals within the 59 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:29,520 ecosystem. So Michael Rubin is the CEO of 60 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:33,280 Fanatics Enterprise. And then you have Fanatics 61 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:38,000 Commerce, you have Fanatics Live and Collectibles, and then you 62 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:40,840 have Fanatics Betting and Gaming, and now you have 63 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:44,000 Fanatics Markets. So there's an individual CEO for 64 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:47,400 those 4 verticals. So it's astronomically different 65 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:50,040 from like a Hard Rock, DraftKings or FanDuel because 66 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:52,560 they're not just a betting and gaming platform, they're a 67 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:58,760 global sports ecosystem platform that offers anything from like 68 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:03,400 A-Z if you want to sports, they have that type of offering for 69 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:05,120 you, right? They've got everybody there, 70 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:07,080 they've got right there, they've got them all packaged. 71 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:10,240 Yeah. Full of fanatic studios. 72 00:04:10,600 --> 00:04:12,720 Right. Fanatic studios today? 73 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:14,080 Yep. Oh really? 74 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:16,279 What's what's that? Were they actually what? 75 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:17,000 Shooting. Producing. 76 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:21,040 Like global entertainment platform, they're partnering 77 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:27,240 with OBB media who the founder of OBB media was the Co founder 78 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:30,640 of Rd. who sold to Elf beauty for a billion dollars. 79 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:34,440 So it's basically going to be like they're hosting live 80 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:38,640 events, games, partnering with ESPN, Fox Olympics. 81 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:43,320 Wow, Yeah, what a great place for you to be in, man. 82 00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:48,600 Yeah, that's awesome. It's yeah, it's an exciting time 83 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:51,440 to be there and it's just like growing like crazy and 84 00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:54,640 surrounded by people that just have these crazy ideas you 85 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:56,040 wouldn't think are possible and then. 86 00:04:56,720 --> 00:04:59,120 The best thing you can do is be in the room with those people 87 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:02,960 and just be wowed all the time and also not be like, oh, I I 88 00:05:02,960 --> 00:05:04,840 don't belong in this room. Like, you belong there. 89 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:07,480 Like, set it up. It's awesome. 90 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:09,280 Yeah. And what's a trader do? 91 00:05:09,280 --> 00:05:11,360 Like how how describe like the trader's role? 92 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:13,760 That sounds pretty cool. They have all the Intel. 93 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:17,600 Yeah, they got all the Intel and I don't know any of it. 94 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:22,120 And you know, they're dealing with like, customers setting 95 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:25,640 lines, making sure everyone's in check and that, you know, the 96 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:28,880 book is set up to be profitable. So. 97 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:31,640 Well, they'll be knocking on your door soon enough, Natalie 98 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:35,560 for the 10 minutes of the bags. Well, that's the machine behind 99 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:37,200 betting, basically. Yes. 100 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:41,800 OK. Peter, I did go out and get some 101 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:43,520 frost fest. I hope you saw that. 102 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:45,720 I did see that. I'm jealous. 103 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:48,320 How was it? It's, I got it at Hannaford too, 104 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:51,840 which is our big supermarket chain, one of them up here in 105 00:05:51,840 --> 00:05:54,400 the Northeast, although currently under fire, but that's 106 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:57,840 a different topic. The frost fest is excellent. 107 00:05:57,840 --> 00:06:01,080 I I saw it on the menu somewhere and it's got like actually has 108 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:06,480 pine boughs in it, yeah. Spruce tips Spruce tips I want. 109 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:10,200 To think frosted tips you're looking for that spruce tips. 110 00:06:10,440 --> 00:06:12,680 In a brew. I love repping the Lone Pine. 111 00:06:12,680 --> 00:06:15,760 They are they, I mean, to be part partner with them from the 112 00:06:15,760 --> 00:06:18,240 beginning is pretty cool, given where they're where they're at 113 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:20,720 now, where they're going. Agreed. 114 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:23,400 We need to we, we need some lone pine down here. 115 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:26,320 We need to take some pictures on Delray Beach on a left guard 116 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:28,480 tower. I'll bring some, I'll bring some 117 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:31,120 down when I come to. Little photos for them. 118 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:35,040 Lone Pine out of its normal jurisdiction. 119 00:06:35,280 --> 00:06:38,760 Right Frost Fest on the beach. Yep, absolutely. 120 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:43,280 This is how we do it in Delray. Lumpens is so popular in Southie 121 00:06:43,280 --> 00:06:45,400 every liquor store was sold out. It's just crazy. 122 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:48,640 Really awesome, that's. Awesome. 123 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:56,800 Well guys, welcome to to season 3 first episode for 2026. 124 00:06:57,840 --> 00:06:59,600 First time saying that. Actually, yes. 125 00:06:59,960 --> 00:07:02,760 You know, how many times have we been writing 2025 on everything 126 00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:03,840 that we do? Yeah. 127 00:07:04,280 --> 00:07:07,120 A lot a. Lot more than I thought I was. 128 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:09,680 I can just kick us off if you'd like, Norm. 129 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:13,040 Sure. Welcome fans back to Breaking 130 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:16,240 Back, presented by Portland, ME's Lone Pine Brewing Company 131 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:19,840 and their winter seasonal IPA, Frost Fest. 132 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:24,920 Brewed with spruce tips and natural flavors to celebrate the 133 00:07:24,920 --> 00:07:27,560 season. Frost Fest is Lone Pine's 134 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:30,760 seasonal sipper built to celebrate the cold weather 135 00:07:30,760 --> 00:07:33,320 months. It's crisp, Piney and seriously 136 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:35,440 festive. Thank you, Lone Pine. 137 00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:38,280 I live for Peter's reading notes, man, I know. 138 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:41,440 I. Just like, seriously, we can 139 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:44,160 just hang up the show now. It's Lone Pine's copyright. 140 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:48,920 It's it's solid Frost fest. Frost Fest? 141 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:50,680 Hard to say after you've had a few minutes. 142 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:56,120 Right and merry New Year. So one thing I like about the 143 00:07:56,120 --> 00:08:00,560 new year is it's kind of a chance to be reflective on the 144 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:04,200 past year. And I like the break from tennis 145 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:06,080 personally. I mean, I know there's tennis on 146 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:09,680 like every hour of the day. You can find an ITF in one 147 00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:12,680 corner of the world to watch. But I kind of like after the, 148 00:08:13,280 --> 00:08:16,200 you know, climax of the US Open, even the end of year stuff like, 149 00:08:16,320 --> 00:08:20,680 you know, Davis Cup or the finals just does not do it like 150 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:22,680 the Slams. So I kind of like not having a 151 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:25,440 lot of important tennis to watch and it gives me a chance to 152 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:27,840 reset, recharge, get a little excited about it. 153 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:29,480 And I don't even play that much tennis. 154 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:32,799 So I'm wondering what you guys feel about that, if you do you 155 00:08:32,799 --> 00:08:35,840 feel like that kind of seasonal excitement now that we're in 156 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:36,480 January? Oh. 157 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:39,799 My God, can I jump in on this? I mean, what what you just said 158 00:08:39,799 --> 00:08:42,039 was so important as to what they're trying to do in the 159 00:08:42,039 --> 00:08:45,840 sport with the calendar. I mean, if you as a fan need the 160 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:47,920 break, they go what athletes really need. 161 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:50,080 Yes, they go out and do exhibitions and people say, oh, 162 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:52,400 they're going to go and play. But look, playing an exhibition 163 00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:53,720 is nothing like playing tour ball. 164 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:59,400 Let them go out and do that. They spend 10% of the energy be 165 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:03,360 the longer realistic offseason for fans to really, really good 166 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:06,440 point that you just made. From my perspective, I would say 167 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:09,960 as a fan, I feel rusty 0 right? Anytime there's a break in 168 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:13,520 sports, you know, there's a bye week or whatever, maybe there's 169 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:16,240 the whole rest versus rust in a conversation. 170 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:19,760 And I feel rusty as a fan mainly because of all the news, because 171 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:23,880 of the coaching changes, that some of the rocket changes, the 172 00:09:23,880 --> 00:09:25,800 dynamics, the off the court stuff. 173 00:09:26,680 --> 00:09:29,080 I feel rusty in general. So I'm looking forward to 174 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:32,960 watching the Australian Open this weekend, laying eyes on all 175 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:37,040 the respected players and seeing who's confident, who's not, what 176 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:39,280 the trends are. Obviously we know who some of 177 00:09:39,280 --> 00:09:41,440 the confident players are, but I just feel a little rusty as a 178 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:43,000 fan. So I'm looking forward to to 179 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:46,600 laying eyes on the tennis and having some actual things to see 180 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:49,280 and enjoy. Yeah, I, I got to be with Peter 181 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:52,200 on this one. I remember last year, Norm, when 182 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:54,840 you called me back on in the beginning of January, I was like 183 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:58,120 up until 1:00 AM the night before, sweating, trying to 184 00:09:58,160 --> 00:10:01,760 figure out like what happened in tennis in the last three months 185 00:10:01,760 --> 00:10:04,400 and had a little panic of that over the weekend. 186 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:07,720 But you know, by December last year, we had we had so much to 187 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:09,400 say. We can keep this to an hour. 188 00:10:09,400 --> 00:10:13,720 So I think it's tough, but for the players, it's more than 189 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:17,520 necessary for, you know, how much grit they put out, you 190 00:10:17,520 --> 00:10:21,880 know, 11 months of the year, the longest tour of any sport. 191 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:25,360 It's yeah. And I noticed like Sinner and 192 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:29,200 Outkast didn't play anything serious since the final. 193 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:31,160 Like they're doing none of the warmups I don't believe. 194 00:10:32,960 --> 00:10:35,640 They're learning quickly from their peers, from their elders, 195 00:10:35,800 --> 00:10:38,880 you know, before that longevity. I mean, these guys are already 196 00:10:38,880 --> 00:10:41,200 thinking about that SLAM title for sure. 197 00:10:41,560 --> 00:10:44,320 And they want to be as fresh as they can as long as they can. 198 00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:46,920 They see how injuries happen towards the close of a career. 199 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:50,000 So if they want any chance to catch these, you know, three 200 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:53,200 aliens that we just enjoyed for, you know, a decade and a half, 201 00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:55,960 they have to be so smart with their bodies because what 202 00:10:55,960 --> 00:10:57,840 they're doing to each other, I mean, we know what the Tor does 203 00:10:57,840 --> 00:11:01,320 to a body as it is a little over those two do to each other when 204 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:02,880 they get into a final, I mean, my God. 205 00:11:03,520 --> 00:11:06,480 So, yeah, I think that they're you're you're going to see the 206 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:08,560 opportunities to see them are going to be fewer and far 207 00:11:08,560 --> 00:11:09,960 between. They're going to be the majors, 208 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:14,640 obviously the 1000 levels, but I think they're going to be very 209 00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:16,920 smart and prudent about their their calendar. 210 00:11:18,040 --> 00:11:21,640 I don't know if they have to play 9095 matches a year right, 211 00:11:21,640 --> 00:11:25,400 which is what those top players typically are, are burdened with 212 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:27,240 like close to 100 matches. It's insane. 213 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:29,720 Well, it's interesting. I remember looking at a 214 00:11:29,720 --> 00:11:32,360 statistic about Federer, about how he played, you know, very 215 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:34,040 few tournaments. But the thing about it was he 216 00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:36,680 made the semis and finals of every tournament. 217 00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:42,240 So his match count was insane. I mean, the longevity that those 218 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:45,160 three guys had was just nuts. A lot of flexibility man. 219 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:50,400 Sabalenka, like said, going to 2026, the schedule has just been 220 00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:53,080 absolutely insane. And you'll see her missing some, 221 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:56,960 you know, major, not probably major events, but some of the 222 00:11:57,200 --> 00:11:59,920 bigger events on tour. And, you know, she's not, you 223 00:11:59,920 --> 00:12:02,720 know, someone we consider an elder of the sport yet. 224 00:12:02,720 --> 00:12:05,600 So I think you're really seeing like some of these players who 225 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:08,640 prioritize their mental and physical health over just 226 00:12:08,920 --> 00:12:11,480 numbers and numbers. How many points can you rack up? 227 00:12:11,480 --> 00:12:13,040 How many tournaments can you play in? 228 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:16,440 Yeah, yeah, strong point. I mean, they're, they're, 229 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:18,200 they're learning from the people before them for sure. 230 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:24,160 Well, that's a good segue to segment #1 and that is the 231 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:28,360 personnel carousel that's going on as we're heading into the 232 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:30,800 season. The first one I think that's 233 00:12:30,800 --> 00:12:35,360 we're talking about timely, of course, is Craig Tiley, who's 234 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:39,480 President or CEO of Tennis Australia currently, but has 235 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:43,520 been positioned as he's denied it. 236 00:12:43,520 --> 00:12:46,400 But it's been a lot of speculation about him taking 237 00:12:46,400 --> 00:12:50,920 over as the CEO for the USTA and JB, since you're probably 238 00:12:50,920 --> 00:12:53,760 closest, I think you even know Craig, but you're closest to 239 00:12:53,760 --> 00:12:54,880 this. What do you think of what's 240 00:12:54,880 --> 00:12:56,520 going on? Oh yeah, we're Bros. 241 00:12:58,760 --> 00:13:02,160 But I mean, we've exchanged a couple emails and that counts. 242 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:04,680 Done with with the Astro. I know of it. 243 00:13:04,680 --> 00:13:06,800 I mean, what he said with that event is just spectacular. 244 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:10,760 It is. It is theater on every level, 245 00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:13,000 sporting, music, arts, fashion, food. 246 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:17,840 It's top notch. But yeah, no, I'm hearing that 247 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:21,720 that that is probably not realistically going to be moving 248 00:13:21,720 --> 00:13:23,240 forward. I would love to see him here in 249 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:27,560 the US just from the perspective of taking the US Open to the 250 00:13:27,560 --> 00:13:30,200 next level, which I don't know how it could even go more next 251 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:33,320 level, but it could actually be, you know, what they've done with 252 00:13:33,320 --> 00:13:36,760 the Australian Open is it's a much more of a earthy event. 253 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:40,280 It's not as corporate it seems when you're there. 254 00:13:40,680 --> 00:13:42,560 It seems like it. Again, this is me from looking 255 00:13:42,560 --> 00:13:44,400 at ATV. There's the graffiti all over 256 00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:45,520 the place. There are the different 257 00:13:45,520 --> 00:13:47,600 exhibitions of cool and the music and the concerts that are 258 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:50,000 just, it's just done differently than the US Open. 259 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:53,480 So maybe it is time for the US Open to kind of change maybe a 260 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:56,560 little bit of the face, the behavior, the personality of it 261 00:13:56,560 --> 00:13:58,400 a little bit because it is awesome. 262 00:13:58,400 --> 00:14:01,560 But it's been awesome in a certain way for a long time, 263 00:14:01,560 --> 00:14:05,120 which is kind of a bit sterile. Whereas the US Open, the 264 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:08,120 Australian Open is very just like, let's come, let's party, 265 00:14:08,120 --> 00:14:10,960 come in your shorts and your flops and get crazy during the 266 00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:14,600 day and party the music at night and keep the night going. 267 00:14:14,680 --> 00:14:18,280 It's a little bit of a different scene, but but what I hear from 268 00:14:18,280 --> 00:14:20,520 boots on the ground there is there's the reason that we 269 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:23,880 haven't heard too much more about that is that it's likely 270 00:14:23,880 --> 00:14:27,800 not going to happen. Yeah, his quote is. 271 00:14:27,840 --> 00:14:30,840 It's speculation. There's a lot of speculation. 272 00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:34,960 I've read the speculation, I've seen the speculation, and I'm 273 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:38,560 kind of not going to go there. That's pretty definitive. 274 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:42,640 But he's a free agent Tyler right now. 275 00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:46,800 Is he considering his next move? I think he's free agent. 276 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:48,360 You think he's? Still doing his. 277 00:14:48,520 --> 00:14:50,920 Game, right, Yeah, because there was talk about whether he would, 278 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:54,000 if he took the job, if they would let him run the Australian 279 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:57,120 Open or not, or just make him, you know, handed off to a 280 00:14:57,120 --> 00:14:58,600 deputy. But we'll have to watch and see 281 00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:01,520 what happens there. Certainly, I know the USTA, they 282 00:15:01,520 --> 00:15:04,360 do a good job with the Open, but a lot of people are questioning 283 00:15:04,760 --> 00:15:07,040 handling of junior development, how well that all works. 284 00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:10,280 And that's certainly under the same kind of area of 285 00:15:10,280 --> 00:15:12,600 responsibility if you read the job description that you sent 286 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:16,480 out, Right. I'm very curious about that in 287 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:19,000 particular leveraging college tennis a bit more. 288 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:22,120 I think that might be a good topic to go into deeper another 289 00:15:22,120 --> 00:15:25,680 time regarding players and representation and whatnot. 290 00:15:25,760 --> 00:15:30,160 The the other story that's pretty big in December that kind 291 00:15:30,160 --> 00:15:33,960 of came out and then nobody heard much about afterward is 292 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:39,480 Djokovic deciding to leave the PTPA, which is the Tour Players 293 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:42,240 Association, Tennis Players Association, excuse me. 294 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:49,560 And with the he Co founded with Bostic Papasil back in 2021. 295 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:53,840 So the fact that he's just kind of stepping away don't agree 296 00:15:53,840 --> 00:15:56,920 with the approach anymore. Chapter is now closed. 297 00:15:56,920 --> 00:15:59,280 That's the language he was using is really interesting. 298 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:02,920 Yeah, I mean, I'm going to chime in here because I've spoken to 299 00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:05,920 PTA for PTPA for a bit and I was actually interested in working 300 00:16:05,920 --> 00:16:09,200 with them early on, was quite shocked when it didn't work out, 301 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:12,440 but that's how it goes. But also thankful now because 302 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:14,560 it's been kind of awkward. It seems like they've been kind 303 00:16:14,560 --> 00:16:16,640 of like searching for their place in the game, kind of 304 00:16:16,640 --> 00:16:19,920 coming up with ways to be relevant versus actually being 305 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:22,960 relevant conceptually. They have a really good 306 00:16:22,960 --> 00:16:27,680 opportunity to solidify player thoughts and coalesce on what 307 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:29,640 they're looking for and be that speaking arm. 308 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:32,880 But it seems like the players really haven't gravitated to it. 309 00:16:33,640 --> 00:16:36,920 So there is really no strength in it and players haven't 310 00:16:36,920 --> 00:16:40,960 gravitated to it because they've never, ever tennis players have 311 00:16:40,960 --> 00:16:42,960 to be so self focused and so self-centered. 312 00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:45,760 They just do. So to think about, OK, now I've 313 00:16:45,760 --> 00:16:48,160 got to be part of a union or association, I've got to be 314 00:16:48,160 --> 00:16:50,320 listening to minutes and by lines or whatever. 315 00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:52,640 But like, I forget this, I got to go train. 316 00:16:53,560 --> 00:16:57,560 So it's a tough sell, you know, unless it's, it's part of the, 317 00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:01,880 the, the, the player group from the beginning, like other 318 00:17:01,880 --> 00:17:05,319 sports. So it's, yeah, obviously they 319 00:17:05,319 --> 00:17:07,960 can't unionize because they're independent contractors. 320 00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:11,040 So there's all sorts of things going on, but it's like, here's 321 00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:13,319 this independent group fighting for the rights of the players, 322 00:17:13,319 --> 00:17:15,680 but the players really kidding. Like what are they going to be a 323 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:17,760 part of? Right. 324 00:17:17,800 --> 00:17:21,000 Yeah, It seems like, and Peter, you probably know this better 325 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:24,560 than anybody. Like this idea of having one 326 00:17:24,560 --> 00:17:28,680 league and a commissioner and one contract with a union that 327 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:32,920 represents all the players might be the only way that this works 328 00:17:32,920 --> 00:17:34,000 out. I don't know. 329 00:17:35,240 --> 00:17:37,520 Yeah, I think that's going to be the case for college football, 330 00:17:37,520 --> 00:17:40,480 which is another conversation. And, you know, there's rumors, 331 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:45,320 Nick, same and, you know, sort of being this overarching GM, 332 00:17:45,360 --> 00:17:47,480 you know, handling NIL and all that sort of thing. 333 00:17:47,480 --> 00:17:50,640 But no, I, I agree wholeheartedly. 334 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:52,720 I think in other sports are dealing with it, you know, in 335 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:55,080 real time. Is is that actually on the table 336 00:17:55,080 --> 00:17:57,840 for college football? I think it is behind the scenes, 337 00:17:57,840 --> 00:17:59,440 yeah. It's it's so out of control. 338 00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:02,600 It's again another, another podcast for another day. 339 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:05,680 But I mean. I'm sorry, I need professional 340 00:18:05,680 --> 00:18:07,880 college football. Right, yeah. 341 00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:10,000 I mean, these players don't want to leave the college ranks. 342 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:11,600 They're a lot of these quarterbacks are getting paid 343 00:18:11,600 --> 00:18:16,280 more in in college than they would as a rookie in the NFL. 344 00:18:16,280 --> 00:18:19,880 So it's a little bit of the they they sort of overcorrected, gone 345 00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:22,960 from not paying the college athletes at all, which there 346 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:27,760 should have been something for all the athletes to now than 347 00:18:27,760 --> 00:18:29,640 making, you know, millions of dollars. 348 00:18:29,720 --> 00:18:32,480 I mean, it's crazy actually, but. 349 00:18:32,800 --> 00:18:36,360 It's interesting that Saban's been so outspoken against NIL 350 00:18:36,360 --> 00:18:38,760 and and sports in general. They're probably saying, hey, if 351 00:18:39,680 --> 00:18:42,000 you're going to complain so much, we'll put you in charge of 352 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:44,240 it. Yeah, I think he would be the 353 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:46,200 guy for the job. But 100%? 354 00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:49,080 Yeah, we'll see what happens. You know, and that's 355 00:18:49,080 --> 00:18:50,720 interesting. You may you make the comparison 356 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:53,040 because that's somebody that everybody could get behind just 357 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:55,640 because obviously he's had success. 358 00:18:55,720 --> 00:18:59,320 You know how the game works. He knows how the game works, but 359 00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:01,120 then you've got somebody like Djokovic who knows how the game 360 00:19:01,120 --> 00:19:05,120 works and then he departs the unified effort. 361 00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:09,360 Kind of a kind of strange, like how much was he really involved 362 00:19:09,360 --> 00:19:13,040 in it in the beginning? You know, obviously him being 363 00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:16,800 involved was of great interest. It made for great media. 364 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:21,960 So that was helpful. But maybe when they went and 365 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:25,640 they, you know, they pulled this, this whole court case and 366 00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:29,680 these legal proceedings, he probably said, oh, a little much 367 00:19:29,680 --> 00:19:30,800 for me. But hard to think that they 368 00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:32,360 would have at least consulted him on this. 369 00:19:32,360 --> 00:19:33,880 I'm sure he had to be involved somehow. 370 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:34,520 Yeah. It's. 371 00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:37,480 Interesting. He's actually kind of pulled 372 00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:40,800 back from Serbia too. He moved, I think his primary 373 00:19:40,800 --> 00:19:43,360 residence is now Greece. Good point. 374 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:45,760 And he's distanced himself from the government over some 375 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:48,880 political issues the other ongoing in the country, which is 376 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:50,680 really strange, right? Because he's always been like, 377 00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:52,560 you know, the guy. There's a lot of backlash. 378 00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:56,720 Yeah, yeah, a ton of that. Maybe he just wants to focus on 379 00:19:56,720 --> 00:19:59,520 getting that one more slam and that and nothing else. 380 00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:01,360 No distractions to A to your point earlier. 381 00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:05,040 Oh, good, good, good tangent to an over under. 382 00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:09,880 Yes. Will will a joke forget that 383 00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:11,680 when they when they went in a major? 384 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:13,680 Will he? How many semis will he get to? 385 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:16,760 I mean he got to 4 semis last year, that's crazy. 386 00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:19,520 I know. Was the over under 1 1/2? 387 00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:22,080 Yeah, yeah. I said that means. 388 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:23,520 I said 1 1/2. That was my. 389 00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:26,800 I don't know what Natalie thinks about that, but yeah, I mean, 390 00:20:26,800 --> 00:20:28,560 I'm. Going to be a stats boss, What 391 00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:29,760 are we thinking? What? 392 00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:33,840 I'm taking the over easily. You're taking the over on 1 1/2 393 00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:35,160 semis. Yeah. 394 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:38,880 OK, how about? Like when you think about it, 395 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:43,560 you have 4 players in the semis and do we really think there's 396 00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:47,240 more than three players that are capable of compete of beating 397 00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:51,320 Djokovic outside of Senator and Alcaraz? 398 00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:55,160 Yeah, in A5 set match, right? Like he he might be, you know, 399 00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:58,800 slowing down against those guys, but he really isn't showing 400 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:01,440 signs of, you know, consistently. 401 00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:03,880 Like, he's had moments where he slowed up down against other 402 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:06,280 players, but he hasn't shown any consistency. 403 00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:09,880 And, you know, to Norma's point, like it seems like he's moving 404 00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:12,920 into an even better mental space, you know, than he was 405 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:15,600 last year coming in being like, you know what, I'm going to take 406 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:17,640 Andy Murray as my coach and see how this goes. 407 00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:21,520 And now he's like really focusing on, you know, what is 408 00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:23,840 going to make me the best holistic player. 409 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:27,440 So I think I think we might see him have a great year, honestly. 410 00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:29,240 Presumingly, his body. Of that. 411 00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:33,320 Yeah, who's I take the, I take the over as well. 412 00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:36,960 I, I, people underestimate him and yeah, his mental game is 413 00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:39,480 unmatched. I I take the over, I'd say he's 414 00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:43,240 going to get to to two semis. Here's the better over under how 415 00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:47,640 many tournaments does he play? 4 majors, how many of the 1000 416 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:49,520 levels? And I think it cans everything 417 00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:53,640 else. Yeah, what I mean, I I don't 418 00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:56,200 know how it works with his ranking and like getting, you 419 00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:58,720 know, seated and whatnot, but maybe he doesn't care in the 420 00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:02,800 smaller in the one thousands, but yeah. 421 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:04,920 Yeah, I think there's some sort of a rule, I don't know what it 422 00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:06,840 is. I can look it up, but what do 423 00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:11,440 you have that sort of a seniority and there you you have 424 00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:15,000 a different set of rules than other players right now. 425 00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:19,360 Yeah, Also ranking points wise, like if he's confident he's 426 00:22:19,360 --> 00:22:22,760 going to get to quarters or semis in every 1000 and every 427 00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:25,520 major, he doesn't need to waste time doing two 50s. 428 00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:28,960 And because you guys need more points in those tournaments like 429 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:32,200 why doesn't? Care about any 1000 titles, He's 430 00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:34,680 won them all. The only thing he cares about is 431 00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:36,240 that major. That is it. 432 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:38,120 He gave 20. Points. 433 00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:43,400 He doesn't care about points. He played in 13 ATP events in 434 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:49,640 2025 and a couple of the two 50s I think were just literally like 435 00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:51,200 he jumped in to warm up before a. 436 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:54,080 Tournament. Well, he played because he moved 437 00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:57,080 there, right? And that's where the Belgrade 438 00:22:57,080 --> 00:22:59,120 tournament moved to. That's right. 439 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:01,840 That's right. And there was another one before 440 00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:04,000 the French. He played a clay court event. 441 00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:09,120 But anyway, yeah, I would bet he would play under that number. 442 00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:13,480 Under under 13, yeah. Absolutely 9. 443 00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:19,440 Nine yeah, 9 tournaments OK we need to is that noted? 444 00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:22,000 We need to OK, so we. Need. 445 00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:25,520 To go back to these predictions. OK, we'll know we're. 446 00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:28,160 Going to talk about doing some some, Oh my gosh, we're going to 447 00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:29,920 need a longer shot. We're going to need a Part B of 448 00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:32,360 this. We are for 2026 prediction. 449 00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:34,120 Well, you know what's interesting? 450 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:38,320 I looked up aces for some reason, so I saw there was a 451 00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:41,960 comparison on Twitter of Alkaraz's serve and how he was 452 00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:44,200 emulating Djokovic to serve. And I was like, well, why would 453 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:47,840 he do that? But lo and behold, he Djokovic 454 00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:54,680 was #5 on the tour last year for total aces and an aces per 455 00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:56,600 match, which is a more fair metric. 456 00:23:58,120 --> 00:24:01,880 He was see 1-2, tied for four or no. 457 00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:05,960 He was fourth. O Palka had 15 aces of match 458 00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:11,040 which is insane. Taylor Fritz and Svair of I'm 459 00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:17,080 sorry Huby Herkash 9.6, Svair of 8.3 and then Djokovic 8.2. 460 00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:18,400 That's and then like the next closest. 461 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:20,920 Was a good drop from there but that's pretty impressive. 462 00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:23,880 But he's just so efficient. Well, he's beat that up like 463 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:27,200 he's, he's found ways, like he knows what's going to bring him 464 00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:29,920 to the next level or keep him competitive. 465 00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:35,680 Yeah, narrow it down. OK, well next topic and and the 466 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:38,760 personnel carousel category coaching. 467 00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:43,520 I mean give me a comp in another sport where the two best teams, 468 00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:47,520 dominant teams like far and away, you know, Chelsea and 469 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:50,560 Arsenal or not Chelsea. Sorry, Man City and Arsenal 470 00:24:52,360 --> 00:24:54,840 fired their coach after winning. Like. 471 00:24:55,280 --> 00:25:00,880 For Alcaraz and and Sinner to jettison their their coach and 472 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:04,480 manager effectively in December right before the start of the 473 00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:06,720 new year. Certainly we knew we knew, you 474 00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:08,960 know, killer Cahill was stepping away, right? 475 00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:11,960 They talked about it all season. Obviously a lot of issues there 476 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:17,120 in their camp, but man, Alcaraz firing JC Wonky, I guess that's 477 00:25:17,120 --> 00:25:22,440 I found that's his nickname. Wonky Ferrero, the 2025 coach of 478 00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:24,760 the year. Just tossing the curb. 479 00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:30,120 I mean, I mean, do we really know that it was that way? 480 00:25:30,120 --> 00:25:34,000 Was it Carlos saying, you know what, I think it's time to move 481 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:36,080 on, we've done well, or is it the other way around? 482 00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:40,600 From what I've read, the articles I read that there was a 483 00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:45,080 financial gap in the contract renewal and I think it kind of 484 00:25:45,360 --> 00:25:50,680 it came down to Ferrero's camp against Alcaraz's family. 485 00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:54,720 Like I heard like, you know, Carlos Senior was kind of like 486 00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:58,080 no bueno. They did, you know, like they, 487 00:25:58,120 --> 00:26:01,040 they, they hired the they promoted the assistant coach 488 00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:03,320 that they brought on last year. And I think they're going to 489 00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:05,600 save a bunch of money. Like, you know, these guys get 490 00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:07,080 paid as a percentage of the winnings. 491 00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:09,800 I think Ferrero had a good healthy percentage at the 492 00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:12,560 beginning, But you think that would be a sliding scale like a 493 00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:14,520 sales Rep, right? Like you don't get like the same 494 00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:18,160 Commission 10 years in, right? I. 495 00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:20,920 Hate seeing that about just dollars and cents. 496 00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:24,160 I didn't know that. Yeah, I mean, it's not 497 00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:25,520 confirmed. Of course they're not going to 498 00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:27,400 say that. But this is what there was an 499 00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:30,920 interview with him that I read his first interview in like I 500 00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:33,680 think it was called Clay Magazine, which I love. 501 00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:37,960 And he he basically said he was like heartbroken and he was not 502 00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:40,800 happy about it. He was heartbroken. 503 00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:43,200 JC yeah. And he's he's going to, it's 504 00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:46,520 going to take him time before he can heal and go coach somebody 505 00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:48,080 else. And yeah, he's he's definitely 506 00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:50,120 not happy. So is he in centers camp now? 507 00:26:51,120 --> 00:26:52,680 That was the question is like, would you go? 508 00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:54,760 Would you go, you know, coach, center. 509 00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:56,920 And he said it's too soon to tell. 510 00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:01,520 I heard a totally different perspective that I'll offer. 511 00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:04,200 I don't know if you guys have listened to Monday match 512 00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:08,160 analysis, but they brought on Jose Marone, who's a Spanish 513 00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:12,320 journalist and you know, his his two cents was it had nothing to 514 00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:16,320 do with them really prize money and financials. 515 00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:20,360 It had to do with like, it was a rivalry between Alcaraz's 516 00:27:20,360 --> 00:27:24,480 family. Senior wanted him out and that, 517 00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:27,440 you know, Alcaraz is basically kind of put in the middle of 518 00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:31,400 like a messy situation. And he may have had nothing to 519 00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:33,840 do with the decision. It was, you know, everything 520 00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:35,800 went over his head. He removed himself and said 521 00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:38,800 like, I'm not going to choose family or Ferrero. 522 00:27:40,360 --> 00:27:44,840 Stuff about like family didn't like the way that Ferrero was 523 00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:49,520 controlling his image, like his player image. 524 00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:52,200 So the way they were portraying him on the Netflix documentary 525 00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:54,680 and like his extracurricular activities. 526 00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:58,880 So more of the drama side of the story one will say but. 527 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:02,880 The Bravo side. Yeah, the Bravo side, but sounds 528 00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:07,160 like Alcaraz from his perspective wasn't, you know, 529 00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:10,640 but it sounds. Like junior tennis, but like on 530 00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:13,280 a bigger scale. Yeah. 531 00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:15,200 Right parents and coaches. Oh. 532 00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:17,400 Yeah, seriously. Disaster. 533 00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:19,160 Stay out of it. Right. 534 00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:22,720 Interesting. And then Medvedev seems reborn, 535 00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:25,720 doesn't he, with his new coach, Jimmy? 536 00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:28,120 Yeah, I mean, I think he's on fire. 537 00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:31,320 He is. Of late, so I think he's been 538 00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:34,840 somewhat reborn. I'm going to miss Is it Jill 539 00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:36,600 Servara? How do you pronounce his old 540 00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:37,800 coach's name? Is it Jill? 541 00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:40,560 Yeah, I'm going. To miss, I'm going to miss 542 00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:44,880 Jill's NHL hats he always wore like you'd be watching him at 543 00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:46,840 Wimbledon. And by the way, is there a coach 544 00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:50,200 that gets more FaceTime or did get more FaceTime than Jill? 545 00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:53,120 But he always. Wore a Florida Panthers hat at 546 00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:58,080 Wimbledon or a New York Rangers hat at at the US Open. 547 00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:01,240 So I'm definitely going to miss his garb and his hat game. 548 00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:04,640 But look out from evident here in the Australian Open. 549 00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:07,000 I think he's got a little wind in his sails. 550 00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:11,960 He's. He he actually went from Jill 551 00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:15,600 Servara is still there like in a management position, but the 552 00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:18,840 coach is Jill Simone. The. 553 00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:22,920 Crafty Frenchman who just retired a couple years ago. 554 00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:27,400 Yeah, you want to talk about a guy who did the absolute maximum 555 00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:30,560 with his game? Holy God that guy was great. 556 00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:33,240 He was just so consistent and clean and he. 557 00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:34,920 Was like the French Brad Gilbert. 558 00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:41,000 Yeah. Dog baller, No baller. 559 00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:44,040 Totally, Yeah. Take your pace and feed it right 560 00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:45,160 back to you. He was. 561 00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:48,480 His hands were amazing. He was good fun to watch. 562 00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:52,560 Well, he and he shaved. Medvedev has shaved his beard, 563 00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:56,440 got the little boy haircut. He looks, he looks in top shape. 564 00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:04,840 My question on him is if he loses the 4th AO finals he's 565 00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:07,920 going to collapse for the rest of the year and cry himself 566 00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:10,640 every night because. Very likely. 567 00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:11,720 Pretty bad. But. 568 00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:14,800 He's a ticking time bomb. Oh yeah. 569 00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:17,680 Lately, you bring up like the whole like, I call these guys 570 00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:23,200 like the Lost Boys era, Medvedev, City Pass, Dmitrov, 571 00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:25,440 like they got caught up in that thing, like where they were just 572 00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:28,000 too close on the heels of Federer or the big three. 573 00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:30,360 And then you got these other freaks coming after. 574 00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:33,160 Like, you got to be kidding me. Like what is going to happen 575 00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:37,520 with the Lost Boys? I mean, it's going to be bound. 576 00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:39,440 I hope so. He's great for tennis. 577 00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:44,120 Medvedev is, you know, you just like a train wreck waiting at 578 00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:45,840 any second. I mean, people love to tune in 579 00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:47,880 for that. Timing is. 580 00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:49,680 Everything going to stay healthy? 581 00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:53,600 Yeah, Ron, that's just retired. He just announced his retirement 582 00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:55,600 like a couple days ago. I think he fits in that 583 00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:58,560 category, Milo. So I don't know if you guys done 584 00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:02,080 any digging around. I love the Australian Open and 585 00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:05,000 we talked about this in the past, but part of it is new 586 00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:11,000 year, fresh gear, brand new clothing lines, colors, rackets, 587 00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:14,080 all of it. And I've seen a little bit in 588 00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:19,040 these, you know, Brisbane and Auckland in the lead up, lots of 589 00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:21,120 solids, lots of bright colors I've noticed. 590 00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:24,120 But you guys picking up anything or anything in particular 591 00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:26,680 exciting you heading into to Melbourne? 592 00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:29,840 Let's go, Peter. Let's see what you got, you 593 00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:34,000 fashionista. Well, there's not as much out 594 00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:36,320 there on the interwebs as I would have thought. 595 00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:41,640 That little I'd piece together. So unless has two new players, I 596 00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:45,760 think and Alejandro Tabilo, I think it is Oh, and Donna 597 00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:48,600 Vikich. So they have some neat new gear. 598 00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:52,320 LS it has some new some new threads, which is supposed to be 599 00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:55,280 cooled. Nike has some very bright, fun 600 00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:59,520 new gear that's very surf. I think based or inspired to 601 00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:02,240 know Sabalenka has been promoting or Nike has been 602 00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:05,480 promoting Sabalenka's new outfit online. 603 00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:08,160 There's another one that's a different color scheme. 604 00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:10,960 That's a Nike dress for women that looks pretty cool. 605 00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:15,560 It's it looks very much has Mardi Gras vibes with like a 606 00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:18,160 purple and green sort of theme to it, which is kind of cool. 607 00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:24,240 Again, both surf inspired and then I hate to and I guess a 608 00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:27,320 little bit underwhelming is Adidas again, you know, I was 609 00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:29,400 interested, I'm interested to see what Adidas comes out with 610 00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:35,080 after that Y-3 Japanese artist sort of collab for the US Open, 611 00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:38,880 which I'm not sure how that was accepted or not. 612 00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:44,160 But what little I've seen from, you know, Adidas is fairly bland 613 00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:46,600 or play just, you know, monotone or just one solid color. 614 00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:50,160 So we'll see what happens there with like Vera and FAA. 615 00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:54,640 I have some questions on Nike, not just like in tennis, but 616 00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:57,960 overall in sports. So I mean, I was looking at, you 617 00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:00,400 know, what they're doing. I saw subbling because dress, 618 00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:03,640 but look. So Tiafoe left Nike for Lulu. 619 00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:07,480 Mousetti left Nike for a six. Radicano is rumored to be 620 00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:09,480 leaving Nike for Uniqlo this year. 621 00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:12,160 Dimitrov switched from Nike to Adidas. 622 00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:14,960 And like, I just feel like for the longest time I've been 623 00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:18,960 saying like Nike is falling off. It's the dying apparel brand. 624 00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:22,280 And when you look at like some of these big movers in the 625 00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:26,640 industry, like you have Viore where Draper is a sponsor, golf 626 00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:30,520 is a sponsor, and then there's a college tennis player at 627 00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:33,000 Stanford, Tristan Boyer, I don't know if you've heard of him. 628 00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:35,240 He's got a sponsorship with Viori. 629 00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:38,160 And you see Lululemon with Tiafo and Hamilton. 630 00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:42,200 You just see like fashion and sports is moving towards 631 00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:45,440 individual sponsorships because that's what people care about. 632 00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:50,200 And Nikes just historically been like a big team sponsor. 633 00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:54,240 And so even like when I'm scrolling on Instagram, I feel 634 00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:57,240 like I see all these ads for Viori now, A New Balance and 635 00:33:57,520 --> 00:34:01,360 Nikes just not advertising. So my question is like, what's 636 00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:03,440 what's happening with Nike? Why are all? 637 00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:04,640 These is it a shift you're saying? 638 00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:07,880 Is it a shift from Nike? It's a shift from Nike, but I 639 00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:11,199 think it's a part of a greater shift, like you're not only 640 00:34:11,199 --> 00:34:14,639 seeing it in tennis, but you're seeing it in the NFL with people 641 00:34:14,639 --> 00:34:19,040 like golf and Joe Burrow who are signing individual sponsorships 642 00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:23,400 with these apparel companies. Taylor Townsend hired a creative 643 00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:27,760 director of fashion for herself. Her name is DOMA Wells, who's a 644 00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:31,960 big mover in the industry. So I'm just curious on like 645 00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:37,000 where fashion stands in sports going forward and the impact of 646 00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:40,639 Nike and tennis right now is clearly shifting away from it. 647 00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:44,400 So that's not. Really kind of stand to what 648 00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:46,159 Nike's priorities are right now, right? 649 00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:49,480 Because they had some trouble with the CEO or they just got 650 00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:51,679 rid of the CEO, or they really went through some troubling 651 00:34:51,679 --> 00:34:54,880 times trying to kind of refocus a bit. 652 00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:58,280 The stock has suffered. They did hire a new CEO, I think 653 00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:00,680 towards the end of last year, middle of last year or third 654 00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:03,080 quarter or something like that. They're not focused on on 655 00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:04,840 tennis, I don't think. I mean, obviously Center and 656 00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:09,760 Alcaraz are the breadwinners for them and they kind of riff on 657 00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:14,120 their their outfits seem to kind of are, you know, under score 658 00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:15,800 the rivalry, if you will, like they're. 659 00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:19,120 Different in in in Sabalenka they have. 660 00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:21,760 In Sabalenka. And she's just a marketing gem. 661 00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:24,160 Her social is like, I'm not a social media person at all. 662 00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:26,840 I'm never on, but I catch her socials. 663 00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:32,280 She's phenomenal, what she does. My quick take, Natalie, is that 664 00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:36,200 Nike has definitely shifted their priorities in the last six 665 00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:38,000 months. This is a World Cup soccer year, 666 00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:41,840 obviously. So a big coup for them is they 667 00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:45,600 they got the German, Germany national soccer team from 668 00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:50,080 Adidas, which Adidas is a German company and and Adidas and 669 00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:52,680 Germany, the German national team are sort of synonymous and 670 00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:55,680 have been. And that was a huge cue for Nike 671 00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:59,520 to sort of steal a German national team during a a World 672 00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:01,800 Cup year. And I think in return for 673 00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:05,920 payback, the rumors are Adidas will be taking over the 674 00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:09,080 Brazilian national team. So there's a little bit of a 675 00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:12,400 pissing contest there. Nike also, or excuse me, Adidas 676 00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:15,400 also just stole Liverpool from a date from Nike. 677 00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:18,360 And so there's a little bit of a battle in in soccer or football, 678 00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:20,240 as they would say internationally. 679 00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:23,200 They've also Nike even focusing on American football. 680 00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:26,400 It's it's ironic that this year you're going to have an all 681 00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:29,360 Adidas college football championship game in Indiana 682 00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:32,080 versus Miami. A lot of stuff about that. 683 00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:36,160 But my gut is that they've been focusing on bigger, you know, 684 00:36:36,240 --> 00:36:38,720 bigger sports and, and unfortunately less on tennis. 685 00:36:38,720 --> 00:36:40,480 Well. They're probably like in a bit 686 00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:41,320 of a rebuild, right? Huh. 687 00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:44,200 Peter, I think so, yeah. Strategically. 688 00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:47,480 Well, I, I got to put a plug in there for the Demon Deacons 689 00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:51,880 because I don't know if you saw Natalie, but the German national 690 00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:56,480 team Peter is training at Wake Forest University, also a Nike 691 00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:01,800 brand branded university. So that's kind of cool. 692 00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:05,680 They're staying at our beautiful Conference Center across the 693 00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:07,880 street from campus and using our beautiful facilities. 694 00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:10,840 So I guess they're automatically my second favorite team now. 695 00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:15,520 And they should be. We'll put a put a plug in for 696 00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:20,040 Hard Rock Stadium with the most expensive tickets and for a 697 00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:23,760 college championship in my lifetime, so go Hard Rock 698 00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:25,960 Stadium. That's right, $4000 average 699 00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:27,440 ticket. Is that right? 700 00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:30,880 Yeah, it's in Miami. It's the first time ever, right? 701 00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:33,160 One of the two teams are playing in their home stadium. 702 00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:36,960 So I think all the the Hurricane fans in Southern Florida or 703 00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:39,680 nationally are driving up ticket prices. 704 00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:43,880 But Natalie, to your point, I think fashion is is getting all 705 00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:47,360 these individual players have their own respective brands and 706 00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:49,680 they're hiring creative directors and they're promoting 707 00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:53,040 their respective brand, just like Saba Lanka to J BS point 708 00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:55,280 who her socials are unbelievable, highly 709 00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:58,040 entertaining and very organic in my opinion. 710 00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:01,680 But yeah, I think you know, some of the bigger getting bigger. 711 00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:05,080 So some of the bigger that Nikes and the Adidas of the world, you 712 00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:08,760 know, are focusing on, you know, these these behemoth type teams 713 00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:11,800 and leagues and it's making room for the veorities of the world, 714 00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:14,840 I think to come in and find strategic partnerships with 715 00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:18,880 individuals. It's so great for tennis too, 716 00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:21,520 because I mean, I remember like, we had a conversation in the 717 00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:25,520 past about, you know, in every other sport, like each player 718 00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:28,320 has a story and everyone knows everything about them. 719 00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:32,040 And in tennis, you know, that lacks depth, like, you know, the 720 00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:34,200 top three on the men's and women's side. 721 00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:38,560 But I think these, you know, apparel brands that are really 722 00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:43,160 like driving the future of apparel and sports sponsorships, 723 00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:47,600 like we'll give these new players like Fonseca and others, 724 00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:51,400 Draper, like opportunities to say like, hey, I stand with 725 00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:53,440 Viori. And that's how they're being 726 00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:55,640 discovered. So I think it's a really 727 00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:58,280 positive thing for players, for the businesses. 728 00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:00,560 We'll see. And it's also, it's like it's, 729 00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:03,480 it's actually kind of similar to the way it is the way it goes 730 00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:07,160 when a, when a top player might take a couple losses or a couple 731 00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:09,760 of hits, all of a sudden he seems like, oh, maybe he's just 732 00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:11,320 not. Maybe he is attainable, maybe he 733 00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:13,560 is beatable. Now these other smaller brands 734 00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:17,040 are coming into the market. Nike isn't there other brands, 735 00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:19,040 these smaller brands, these independents are kind of coming 736 00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:21,440 in and getting on players now kind of becomes more of an open 737 00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:24,360 playing field. New brands aren't as afraid to 738 00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:27,400 try to enter the market because athletes are rolling with them. 739 00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:30,880 So it becomes more of an opportunity for these rising 740 00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:33,280 brands. I love it. 741 00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:37,360 Well, moving to the actual tournament and the competition 742 00:39:38,240 --> 00:39:43,000 on court, what say you to going around the horn and you have to 743 00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:47,320 name who's in the finals for the men and the women, Who's your 744 00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:50,040 champion for each? But who are you rooting for the 745 00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:51,680 most? And I'll, I'll go, I'll go 746 00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:56,680 first. So on the men's side, you know, 747 00:39:56,920 --> 00:40:00,720 shocker, it's going to be sooner now, Perez, I just got to 748 00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:07,440 believe that. I think center wins, he's 749 00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:09,200 working really hard. He's been doing things 750 00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:14,120 specifically to to counter Alcaraz in the offseason and 751 00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:17,800 kind of broaden his stroke capability and shot capability. 752 00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:21,280 I think he wins. I really want Ben Shelton to be 753 00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:23,200 able to have a breakthrough that that's who I'm going to be 754 00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:25,680 pulling for. And and, you know, he, he's 755 00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:28,200 like, I think we can get into this with in Natalie's segment, 756 00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:31,280 but they like +4000 or something more. 757 00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:34,520 Maybe even I got to check to win. 758 00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:37,280 So that's my thought on the men, on the women's side, I think 759 00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:40,200 it's Sabalenka. And, you know, give me Coco 760 00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:43,000 golf. I think Sabalenka wins. 761 00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:48,160 But I really want to see Andreyva kind of, you know, 762 00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:50,880 continue her push. OK, those are definitely solid. 763 00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:53,680 I mean, OK, who's who's going to go against? 764 00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:57,360 OK, let me ask you this. Who here thinks on the men's 765 00:40:57,360 --> 00:40:59,760 side it's going to be something different than Alcaraz and 766 00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:05,320 Sitter? No, yeah, it's them against the 767 00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:06,520 field, right? Yeah. 768 00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:12,720 We have center at slight favorite plus 120F5, Alcaraz 769 00:41:12,720 --> 00:41:18,480 plus 275, Djokovic plus 550 and then everyone else is 1000 plus 770 00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:19,440 plus. Yeah. 771 00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:25,400 So Shelton's ranked #8 now, I mean, is the best chance for 772 00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:28,760 somebody to beat these two freaks early in the year or late 773 00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:32,240 in the year when they're tired. We have public entering the top 774 00:41:32,240 --> 00:41:34,800 10. Now you have a. 775 00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:37,680 Good question. You have Medvedev, who just won 776 00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:40,760 his 22nd title, none of which are the same. 777 00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:44,880 Yeah, he had a great tweet. He was like, I need more cities 778 00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:48,240 to play and. I'm getting all right. 779 00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:52,480 Yeah, right. I would argue, JB, that the rest 780 00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:54,960 versus rest conversation, like it's going to be earlier in the 781 00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:58,520 year, it's going to be at the show Open is where you would get 782 00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:01,440 these guys some like a Medvedev, you never know. 783 00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:04,680 Yeah, I I want to see that the up and coming players, you know, 784 00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:08,200 the Fonseca's of the world and the Runas and the men 6 and the 785 00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:14,080 the learners dravas of the world take that next step and and see 786 00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:17,520 some of these, the youngblood, the next generation start to 787 00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:20,440 creep up the rankings and get into the the quarters and the 788 00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:22,640 centimes. So that's sort of what I have my 789 00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:24,280 eye on. I mean, I we we know the usual 790 00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:27,200 suspects, who they are. I mean, you can't not go against 791 00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:30,760 Alcaraz or center, but it's almost like other than them, who 792 00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:32,160 do you like? Who'd you like to see? 793 00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:34,000 And the same thing with the women. 794 00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:37,640 I think Sabalanka is unbeatable right now. 795 00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:41,040 And so I have a really hard time thinking who's going to beat 796 00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:43,520 Sabalanka on the women's side. Is it eager? 797 00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:46,640 Is it Coco? Most likely is does Madison. 798 00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:50,520 Kinova and Nissimova, I mean, is she going to, is she going to, 799 00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:53,200 is she going to do it? I mean Rabakina can beat anybody 800 00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:55,520 on a day. And this, I think, is very 801 00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:57,040 Rabakina esque. Yeah. 802 00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:01,080 Yeah, yeah, Big flat balls off both sides. 803 00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:05,080 Yeah, she's actually going back to the ace conversation. 804 00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:11,720 Her ace totals were 6.9 per match, and the next closest was 805 00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:16,680 5.5 for Klara Tolson. Like, great, she's a serve bot. 806 00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:20,800 But Naomi Osaka was 5.1 but nobody else even close to 807 00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:22,960 Rebecca, so huge huge advantage for her. 808 00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:27,280 Yeah, I think Rebecca and Isimova are the are the two and 809 00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:31,160 and Calco has beaten Sabalinka on a big stage, so yeah, a 810 00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:35,240 couple times. Sabalinka hates losing though, 811 00:43:35,240 --> 00:43:37,920 and she's coming back from losing an AO finals, which she 812 00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:41,040 just might like. RIP everyone to shreds. 813 00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:44,000 Yeah, he's talked about how she loves coming from. 814 00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:47,960 She played so well down there. Yeah, she she does. 815 00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:52,360 With that, I mean, so I mean back to the men's side. 816 00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:54,320 I mean you've got a literally outside the top two. 817 00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:59,440 I mean you've got Sparev, Djokovic, Musetti, Dimineauer, 818 00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:02,440 at least See and Shelter. I mean, Shelton and Fritz are 819 00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:06,080 the only two that might cause a problem for a set or two, but 820 00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:08,320 over three sets that. I have a weird feeling that 821 00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:10,560 Alkarez is not going to come out of the gate well. 822 00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:13,600 And like, if someone has to break the Sinner Alkarez, I'll 823 00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:15,320 stay. I think we could see Sinner 824 00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:16,800 Djokovic. Yeah, it just there's. 825 00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:20,360 No big. Sitner, when I look at Sinner 826 00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:23,680 and Akras, like Sinner has showed so much more consistency. 827 00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:27,840 Nacras has showed moments of like just weird matches where he 828 00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:31,160 collapses and like, it seems like he could be a little shaken 829 00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:34,720 up by the headspace the coaching changes versus like Sinner had a 830 00:44:34,720 --> 00:44:37,200 full year to prepare. He knew his coach was retiring 831 00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:39,040 so. Yeah, good point. 832 00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:42,520 If Alcroz is breaking down this year, I'm I'm going to pick now 833 00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:45,960 and I'll go Djokovic center. That's like not chalk to have 834 00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:47,640 Joker center. It's crazy to. 835 00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:49,280 Me, right? I know, I know. 836 00:44:50,240 --> 00:44:54,440 Oh man, that would be AI. Don't know, that could be either 837 00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:58,080 battle or over quickly. Hoping that we see history. 838 00:44:58,720 --> 00:45:01,840 That would be sick. The biggest thing is, is these 839 00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:05,440 prediction markets. I mean, now you can bet or 840 00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:10,560 gamble or wage on anything, including, you know, mentions 841 00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:13,840 and who's going to say what is Trump going to say? 842 00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:17,920 You know, drill, baby drill during his next speech type of 843 00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:19,800 thing. So you literally the prediction 844 00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:21,880 markets are, are, are getting a little crazy. 845 00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:25,000 I have a lot of friends who are spending a lot of time, you 846 00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:28,440 know, wagering pennies on who's going to say what or not say 847 00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:31,760 what during the Golden Globes awards show, during a Monday 848 00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:33,480 Night Football game, etcetera, etcetera. 849 00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:37,680 So with, and there's things that you can bet on anything from 850 00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:40,480 politics to sports to culture to the climate. 851 00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:42,680 You know what's going to be the high temperature in Miami, FL 852 00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:46,440 tomorrow, The things it's, it's just nuts what you can sort of 853 00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:49,400 wage on. And that's why we have our good 854 00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:53,200 friend Natalie Cutter here to fill us in and educate us all on 855 00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:56,920 all these crazy trends in the gambling world and in the sports 856 00:45:56,920 --> 00:45:59,440 world. Natalie, you've got some big 857 00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:02,440 news to share in the new year. You want to tell us a little 858 00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:06,000 about that? Yes, breaking back fans, I am 859 00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:12,720 newly with Fanatics on the betting and gaming side working 860 00:46:12,720 --> 00:46:18,440 on their loyalty team. So essentially Fanatics has the 861 00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:23,080 way they operate, they issue fan cash for anything spent across 862 00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:26,920 commerce, collectibles or betting and gaming and newly 863 00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:29,800 prediction markets. And you can redeem that fan cash 864 00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:32,720 across other verticals. And so I'm working on the 865 00:46:32,720 --> 00:46:37,840 analytic side, maintaining to your loyalty, working on benefit 866 00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:43,280 deliveries and really just in my dream sweet spot at 25 years 867 00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:46,280 old. So to be here but. 868 00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:49,680 That's awesome. Congratulations Natalie. 869 00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:54,560 They got a good one in you and we're really excited, us old 870 00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:57,080 guys to sit and watch your career. 871 00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:00,640 Remember us when Natalie, when you're on the sidelines of some 872 00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:02,720 events or something and and you can get us tickets. 873 00:47:02,720 --> 00:47:06,040 But anyway, that's awesome. We're looking forward to to 874 00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:07,040 hearing more about that. It's. 875 00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:10,120 An exciting time to be in this industry, especially with 876 00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:13,840 markets launching. You know, you've seen all the 877 00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:16,720 major sports books to it, Fanatics, Pandal and DraftKings 878 00:47:16,720 --> 00:47:20,240 have all launched some version of their own markets and think 879 00:47:20,240 --> 00:47:23,520 like the conversation to what Peter said this year is, you 880 00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:26,120 know, what is that? What does that mean for sports 881 00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:29,200 betting? And where are are people placing 882 00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:31,000 their dollars? Is it on markets? 883 00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:34,160 Is it on sports books? And what are the pros and cons 884 00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:36,880 to each? So, I mean, I'll give you, you 885 00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:41,720 know, a couple fun stats as Peter mentioned, you can wager 886 00:47:41,720 --> 00:47:46,040 on anything. You know, is the president of 887 00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:48,040 Venezuela going to be kidnapped by Trump tomorrow? 888 00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:51,840 Like who knows? But you can wager on any topic. 889 00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:55,680 And so some sports that's for you on the prediction market. 890 00:47:55,680 --> 00:48:00,120 So if you look at NFL dollars wagered, these are polymarket 891 00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:06,440 stats by the ways, $2.4 billion wagered on polymarket in the 892 00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:11,680 NFL. In tennis, you have $270 million 893 00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:16,760 and then 4.7 million of that is on the AO finals this year. 894 00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:21,960 So I mean, you can go to any segment, it's, it's larger, it's 895 00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:25,240 smaller. But I think seeing how this 896 00:48:25,240 --> 00:48:27,280 unfolds in tennis will be very interesting. 897 00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:32,520 We got a hand from John. So who creates the market? 898 00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:37,800 Fascinating to me like so you're the markets are being created on 899 00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:41,720 anything and everything, but who creates it and who fulfills the 900 00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:45,880 monetary side of it? So unlike sports books where 901 00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:47,880 it's players versus the house, you have the house setting the 902 00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:50,640 lines and players are betting against the house. 903 00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:54,280 Prediction markets are me versus you. 904 00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:58,680 So the lines are set by. So if we're saying like who is 905 00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:03,240 going to win the Australian Open center Alcaraz and we have 60 906 00:49:03,240 --> 00:49:09,320 people say yes and 40 people say no, the price there is $0.60 for 907 00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:12,400 yes and $0.40 for no. But if all of a sudden 908 00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:15,080 everything shifts to the no, that side becomes more 909 00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:17,800 expensive. So the way that you know in 910 00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:21,400 sports books you have regulator setting prices, the the prices 911 00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:23,120 are set completely by the market. 912 00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:27,560 So you know there's more information inherently available 913 00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:31,040 in a price on a prediction market because you know, if 914 00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:33,800 something is priced at yes, that means more people think that 915 00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:36,120 event is more likely to have certain call. 916 00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:39,600 She and Polly market are federally regulated, whereas 917 00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:41,800 sports betting is state regulated. 918 00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:48,360 You definitely have, if you have prediction markets that are not, 919 00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:53,200 you know, legally author authorized, I think, you know, 920 00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:55,160 in terms of the whole legalities, we could probably 921 00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:58,400 produce like an hour podcast every day to try to understand 922 00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:02,640 them and explain them. But the general thing to know is 923 00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:06,480 that there's a lot less regulation at the prediction 924 00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:10,760 market level for a customer who wants to go bet on a sports 925 00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:12,560 book. You have to do KYC, which is 926 00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:14,880 know your customer and put in all your credentials and be a 927 00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:17,720 verified human. Whereas like any of us could go 928 00:50:17,720 --> 00:50:21,680 on, call she right now and say who's going to win AO when you 929 00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:24,120 don't have to put in all your information. 930 00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:26,880 So the money is guaranteed, though if you're betting in 931 00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:30,600 here, you know it's because. It must be held in escrow, 932 00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:31,680 right? Like they're kind of like a 933 00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:37,680 acting like an escrow and, you know, site or platform that just 934 00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:39,960 handles the action. It's so fascinating to me 935 00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:45,360 because it's kind of like the, the, the prediction market is 936 00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:50,960 disrupting, you know, research and betting the way blockchain 937 00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:53,560 is disrupted in finance and technology. 938 00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:57,920 And for me, the kind of the, the bellwether is when you watch 939 00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:01,400 CNBC, which I think is just a brilliant show with like 940 00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:03,720 brilliant minds from business every morning. 941 00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:06,880 And they're talking about, you know, for the longest time they, 942 00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:09,960 they laughed about crypto. Right now, it's like a ticker 943 00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:12,640 that you see the price for like every 90 seconds. 944 00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:16,160 And now you see Andrew Sorkin talking about prediction markets 945 00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:20,680 almost every telecast. So it's it's obviously something 946 00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:25,040 that they're they're leveraging to make bets on, on, on Wall 947 00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:28,720 Street and investments. It's also, I think like a great, 948 00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:34,120 I would say educational like way to learn about random topics, 949 00:51:34,120 --> 00:51:36,040 you know, you're not reading articles about. 950 00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:39,360 But if you're curious on who's going to win, you know, XYZ 951 00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:43,480 Golden Globes, like the public opinion is, you know, an 952 00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:46,520 educated opinion from whatever news sources they're reading. 953 00:51:46,520 --> 00:51:50,160 So it's like a quick gut check of, you know, is this going to 954 00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:53,400 happen and. Yeah, you're crowd sourcing 955 00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:57,560 knowledge and information and putting money behind it. 956 00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:01,800 And it's really it's it's just a pure data play, right? 957 00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:04,760 It takes all of that kind of the subjectivity out of it's like, 958 00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:05,880 all right, I'm putting money down. 959 00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:09,040 I think this is going to happen. It's fascinating stuff. 960 00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:11,920 But Natalie, I wanted to ask because I know that so many 961 00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:17,200 people TuneIn to get tips from you and how to make money. 962 00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:20,640 But now that you're in this new role, you got to tell us what 963 00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:23,360 the guardrails are because we want to make sure, you know, 964 00:52:23,360 --> 00:52:26,480 we're, we're doing things right by fanatics. 965 00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:30,200 Yes, so you know, we'll we'll make a little disclaimer here, 966 00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:35,600 but all, all opinions are my personal Natalie Cutter from 967 00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:40,600 Boston, MA, my personal opinions that are said here. 968 00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:45,680 Nothing that is said is as a Fanatics employee and you can't 969 00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:49,280 take my betting advice anymore, but I know Norm is betting on 970 00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:51,920 the side so he can offer some of his picks. 971 00:52:53,160 --> 00:52:58,000 I will give as much education and guardrails as I can on what 972 00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:01,760 the markets are saying, but all views of my own are personal and 973 00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:05,400 unfortunately, or maybe fortunately I I no longer 974 00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:08,200 participate in sports betting anymore. 975 00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:10,120 Oh, that's sad. I. 976 00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:12,600 Know. Is it so the bank account might 977 00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:15,880 look a little better I. Mean that's really that's tough. 978 00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:17,080 You have you got to give that up. 979 00:53:18,240 --> 00:53:20,080 Yeah, I didn't think about that. Yeah. 980 00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:24,560 Called no betting, no fixing or no tipping BFT in sports. 981 00:53:24,720 --> 00:53:26,880 What can you tell us about the Australian Open? 982 00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:31,160 What do you want? Are you looking for your picks 983 00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:32,920 or? Betting Insights. 984 00:53:33,160 --> 00:53:36,080 Yes. What are the markets saying all? 985 00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:41,960 Right. So I would say like on the men's 986 00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:44,120 side, it's pretty straightforward game. 987 00:53:44,120 --> 00:53:45,880 There's not much to ride on about. 988 00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:49,680 As I said, like the top three, Cinderella, Kraz, Djokovic and 989 00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:52,480 everyone else is a pretty far long shot. 990 00:53:52,680 --> 00:53:56,240 I think like if you look at the woman's side, there's a lot of 991 00:53:56,240 --> 00:54:02,120 depth there right now. Top three Subalancas Biotech in 992 00:54:02,120 --> 00:54:07,520 golfer plus 200 + 400 + 500. But following pretty closely 993 00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:11,640 behind is Keys in Ravankana plus 800 and plus 900. 994 00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:16,520 So I think you'll find a lot of value on the woman's side 995 00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:20,360 looking outside of the top 2, especially in those quarters and 996 00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:26,360 semis Look, So I, I would say like if you're looking to bet on 997 00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:28,800 the Australian Open, you're going to find more value on the 998 00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:33,800 woman's side versus the men's side is just very heavily, you 999 00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:35,680 know, Al Gross and center versus the field. 1000 00:54:37,240 --> 00:54:41,240 Jump in here. Did you guys see that that Craig 1001 00:54:41,240 --> 00:54:45,880 Boynton is with Riley Apalca? No, did not see that. 1002 00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:48,560 Breaking news. Yeah, that's just it now. 1003 00:54:48,840 --> 00:54:49,480 Oh, yeah. Look at this. 1004 00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:52,680 It was as of today. That's fantastic. 1005 00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:57,040 We all love some Craig Boynton. He actually lives over in Tampa 1006 00:54:57,040 --> 00:54:57,520 State. Pete. 1007 00:54:57,520 --> 00:54:58,680 Oh. He does OK. 1008 00:54:59,120 --> 00:55:02,480 Really, really good dude. Obviously long time with Hebe 1009 00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:06,680 Herkage was with isn't there for a long time Courier, Yeah, he's 1010 00:55:06,680 --> 00:55:07,840 one of the good guys in the game. 1011 00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:10,000 Oh. That's awesome. 1012 00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:12,680 I would expect a Goodyear from Opalka. 1013 00:55:13,080 --> 00:55:15,120 He's energized, man. He is. 1014 00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:19,800 I just hope that he reactivates his Twitter if if he hasn't 1015 00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:24,240 already. That used to be what a what an 1016 00:55:24,240 --> 00:55:30,200 entertaining feed that was. I don't even see him on on my 1017 00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:33,080 I'm granted I'm looking at DraftKings. 1018 00:55:33,080 --> 00:55:37,200 Sorry Natalie, I'm looking. I don't even see Opalka on here. 1019 00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:44,200 For me the value is is Shelton is 60 + 6500 and Djokovic right 1020 00:55:44,200 --> 00:55:45,800 now. To your point, it may change, 1021 00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:50,960 but it's plus 1400. Wow, you got to throw a buck on 1022 00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:51,600 that? Yeah. 1023 00:55:51,600 --> 00:55:54,880 You do. Absolutely, as we're all making 1024 00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:58,840 our notes. And Taylor Fritz plus 3500. 1025 00:55:59,040 --> 00:56:01,280 I don't I. You know, he he's got, he's got 1026 00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:04,080 into a final before it's Vera plus 2500. 1027 00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:07,840 It's going to take somebody like a Shelton that can do something 1028 00:56:07,840 --> 00:56:09,760 dynamic, right? To blow him up. 1029 00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:12,600 He's got so much out of his game, which is amazing, but 1030 00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:17,320 beating those guys in five. So Natalie, what what are your 1031 00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:19,160 thoughts on the the women's side? 1032 00:56:19,160 --> 00:56:21,640 I know you gave us it's still, it's kind of like the usual 1033 00:56:21,640 --> 00:56:27,560 suspects I guess, right? Yeah, I, I think, I mean back to 1034 00:56:27,560 --> 00:56:29,000 the men's side just for a quick second. 1035 00:56:29,120 --> 00:56:33,720 I think if I think, you know, markets are clearly showing that 1036 00:56:34,200 --> 00:56:37,560 there is a lot to sprinkle on the semis and the quarters, 1037 00:56:37,560 --> 00:56:42,000 there's probably not to sprinkle and win back on the finals 1038 00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:45,960 because it's a very highly dominant field over there. 1039 00:56:47,160 --> 00:56:53,880 On the women's side, I think, you know, I would say Ravankana 1040 00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:59,480 and a Samoa are probably hidden gems to look at for the semis in 1041 00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:03,480 the quarterfinals. They had great years last year. 1042 00:57:03,480 --> 00:57:09,600 Bakana has one major title, I believe Wimbledon 2022 and Anna 1043 00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:12,760 Samova is still chasing hers. But we know she came close last 1044 00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:15,280 year and will probably come in guns a blazing. 1045 00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:20,640 So I would say looking outside your Sablanco Spion tech, I 1046 00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:26,040 would look at those and I think you know, not taking winners, 1047 00:57:26,040 --> 00:57:29,480 but taking semis and quarterfinals is where you might 1048 00:57:29,560 --> 00:57:33,080 have a better chance. It's so funny during when you 1049 00:57:33,080 --> 00:57:35,360 talk to Emily, it's like the one time, especially something like 1050 00:57:35,360 --> 00:57:37,560 this, where all three of us just shut up and you see us taking 1051 00:57:37,560 --> 00:57:40,800 notes. What did you say? 1052 00:57:43,240 --> 00:57:45,200 Rewind that. Hey, you know we. 1053 00:57:45,200 --> 00:57:47,000 Can't take my batting advice, John. 1054 00:57:49,960 --> 00:57:54,600 Amanda and a Samoa Fun fact, I did a little research on who was 1055 00:57:54,600 --> 00:58:00,600 the naughtiest in 2025, meaning who got fined the most and and 1056 00:58:00,600 --> 00:58:03,640 like the serving I did on a per match basis. 1057 00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:08,680 On the men, no shocker at all, it's Nick Curios got fined an 1058 00:58:08,680 --> 00:58:13,280 average of $2000 a match. But on the women's side, Amanda 1059 00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:19,080 and a Samoa What an average of $1000 per match, the highest 1060 00:58:19,520 --> 00:58:22,760 fine density on the WTA in 2025. But. 1061 00:58:24,040 --> 00:58:25,800 She must have had a couple big ones. 1062 00:58:26,280 --> 00:58:29,400 Again, this is shocking. Does it list what they are? 1063 00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:34,320 I didn't get that detail, but number 2 is your your favorite 1064 00:58:34,480 --> 00:58:37,240 John Yelena Ostapenko. She's. 1065 00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:42,400 My girl, that's. A fun that's a fun stat we 1066 00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:45,520 should keep track. Kirios is playing double S is he 1067 00:58:45,520 --> 00:58:49,400 not at the AO? He's playing double. 1068 00:58:49,400 --> 00:58:51,800 S Until he's not. I mean, is he playing with 1069 00:58:52,120 --> 00:58:53,960 Thanos again or? Probably. 1070 00:58:55,480 --> 00:58:56,960 What a Jackass. I'm sorry. 1071 00:58:56,960 --> 00:58:59,280 Like, you know, the, the, the fact that he had to like, come 1072 00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:02,640 out and say, I'm just not in shape for the Australian Open. 1073 00:59:02,640 --> 00:59:04,000 Like, well, what else you've been doing? 1074 00:59:04,400 --> 00:59:06,480 He's not good singles these days. 1075 00:59:06,480 --> 00:59:08,040 Like you're going to get back into it. 1076 00:59:08,240 --> 00:59:09,920 Oh no, he. Played that stupid double 1077 00:59:10,080 --> 00:59:11,840 specialist and played the Champions tour. 1078 00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:17,560 He did that terrible battle of the sexes with Sabalenka. 1079 00:59:17,560 --> 00:59:19,000 Did you guys? See anybody watch that? 1080 00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:24,320 I actually did It was terrible. It was just awful, like bad 1081 00:59:24,320 --> 00:59:29,360 tennis from Curious, but it was enough to beat her like 3 and 1082 00:59:29,360 --> 00:59:30,760 three I. Think like was he just 1083 00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:34,400 throttling it back or just like playing terribly? 1084 00:59:34,680 --> 00:59:38,760 His court was like reduced by 10% or some amount. 1085 00:59:39,120 --> 00:59:39,640 Right. More. 1086 00:59:39,640 --> 00:59:41,040 Yeah. Her court was smaller. 1087 00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:45,480 She he had to cover more. Correct, but I mean. 1088 00:59:45,720 --> 00:59:47,440 And his. Serve had one serve. 1089 00:59:47,680 --> 00:59:50,840 Yeah, but his second serve is almost unreturnable, right? 1090 00:59:51,320 --> 00:59:54,080 The delta between the two was was so obvious. 1091 00:59:54,720 --> 00:59:57,000 But what a dumb event, I thought for tennis. 1092 00:59:57,360 --> 01:00:00,040 Yeah, that was obviously it really gained our interest. 1093 01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:07,160 I got one more over under for Nats numbers here. 1094 01:00:07,160 --> 01:00:10,920 So, you know, pretty untraditional I'd say, but over 1095 01:00:10,920 --> 01:00:14,560 under number of inappropriate comments the Australian Oprah 1096 01:00:14,560 --> 01:00:16,440 interviewers are going to make this year. 1097 01:00:16,440 --> 01:00:21,520 So last year I can name, I can name 5 S to list them. 1098 01:00:22,760 --> 01:00:27,040 Interviewer said to Lerner TN after he beat Mehvedev. 19 year 1099 01:00:27,040 --> 01:00:28,880 olds aren't meant to be that good. 1100 01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:33,480 And he was like, I don't know what to say to that. 1101 01:00:33,720 --> 01:00:40,880 Another one he said Mom Fee is old enough to be your dad. 1102 01:00:43,160 --> 01:00:48,000 We have, of course, the very controversial reporter who 1103 01:00:48,000 --> 01:00:53,960 mocked Djokovic. And then last one I have was 1104 01:00:54,360 --> 01:00:57,480 Shelton was told he would have no crowd support when he was 1105 01:00:57,480 --> 01:01:00,920 playing Damon Hour because he was American and Damon Hour was 1106 01:01:01,160 --> 01:01:04,440 is Australian. So this is. 1107 01:01:05,120 --> 01:01:07,560 Yeah, their their encore team is just brutal. 1108 01:01:07,880 --> 01:01:08,600 Yeah. Brutal. 1109 01:01:09,080 --> 01:01:11,680 I think we're all big Blair Henley fans. 1110 01:01:11,680 --> 01:01:14,360 She's she's amazing at the US Open in the different 1111 01:01:14,360 --> 01:01:16,800 tournaments and I remember texting her during some of those 1112 01:01:16,800 --> 01:01:19,120 interviews. First match going, what in the 1113 01:01:19,360 --> 01:01:22,600 heck is going on? You need to go save this. 1114 01:01:22,880 --> 01:01:26,240 Yeah, I, I mean, I have mad respect for Ben Shelton. 1115 01:01:26,240 --> 01:01:30,080 He, you know, outspokenly said something about it in one of his 1116 01:01:30,080 --> 01:01:34,240 press conferences. Especially because like, AO is 1117 01:01:34,240 --> 01:01:35,960 regarded as like the players tournament. 1118 01:01:35,960 --> 01:01:38,520 It's the happy It's a sunshine tournament like. 1119 01:01:38,880 --> 01:01:41,840 Not last year, no. All in good fun. 1120 01:01:41,840 --> 01:01:43,600 Or are they taking it too far? Who knows? 1121 01:01:44,560 --> 01:01:47,960 When a lot of the reporters post match also refer to that the 1122 01:01:48,080 --> 01:01:51,840 players by someone else's name. So some of them were confused or 1123 01:01:51,840 --> 01:01:55,040 nervous Coco. Coco was called something else 1124 01:01:56,120 --> 01:01:58,440 and it happened a couple times and the players are still 1125 01:01:58,480 --> 01:02:03,000 they're so savvy and they don't necessarily correct a lot of the 1126 01:02:03,000 --> 01:02:04,760 announcers and reporters, which is good to see. 1127 01:02:05,640 --> 01:02:08,960 We had, I was so embarrassing. One year we had in Delray Beach. 1128 01:02:08,960 --> 01:02:12,760 Our encore guy confused Nakashima and Nishikori. 1129 01:02:12,960 --> 01:02:15,720 You know, it's just like, oh. Yeah, tough one. 1130 01:02:17,840 --> 01:02:18,760 You're fired. You're. 1131 01:02:20,200 --> 01:02:23,080 Fired. There are a couple other 1132 01:02:23,080 --> 01:02:25,640 blenders like that that we'll have to talk about off air that 1133 01:02:25,640 --> 01:02:29,400 had just been cringing. That's a good over under though, 1134 01:02:29,400 --> 01:02:32,520 Natalie, because I remember that distinctly last year, especially 1135 01:02:32,520 --> 01:02:35,640 the comments with Djokovic or the mocking of Djokovic. 1136 01:02:35,960 --> 01:02:36,920 Yeah. Yeah. 1137 01:02:36,920 --> 01:02:39,200 And that reported that reported that got in trouble I think. 1138 01:02:39,240 --> 01:02:40,640 That was the reporter, right? That was. 1139 01:02:41,400 --> 01:02:45,560 A a news reporter, Yeah, well off the court news last year at 1140 01:02:45,560 --> 01:02:49,600 the AO. Tournament was the one where the 1141 01:02:49,600 --> 01:02:51,720 guy, the camera guy got in trouble. 1142 01:02:51,720 --> 01:02:52,920 That was later in the year. Right. 1143 01:02:52,920 --> 01:02:54,000 That was U.S. Open. 1144 01:02:54,200 --> 01:02:56,120 Yeah, yeah, running on the. Court. 1145 01:02:56,240 --> 01:02:59,920 Yeah, yeah. You got like exiled from the 1146 01:02:59,920 --> 01:03:01,080 lead, right? Yeah. 1147 01:03:01,960 --> 01:03:07,000 Peter Begin so weird. He's in a He's in a a barrel in 1148 01:03:07,000 --> 01:03:11,680 the bottom of the Hudson. This beer is really good. 1149 01:03:12,280 --> 01:03:13,600 I'm looking at you have that beer. 1150 01:03:13,600 --> 01:03:15,600 I'm done with my whiskey here in my car. 1151 01:03:15,600 --> 01:03:17,800 I'm looking thirsty, really. Good, I'm going to have to go. 1152 01:03:18,120 --> 01:03:20,280 Peter, what are you drinking in in your glass? 1153 01:03:20,720 --> 01:03:22,840 Nothing. It's a It's a Diet Mountain Dew. 1154 01:03:22,840 --> 01:03:26,560 It's been a long day. I can count on one hand how many 1155 01:03:26,560 --> 01:03:28,680 pops or sodas I have, and today's one of them. 1156 01:03:28,680 --> 01:03:30,120 It's going on. OK, so it's. 1157 01:03:30,680 --> 01:03:33,040 Never had one you're. Going, you're going to be able 1158 01:03:33,080 --> 01:03:35,920 to go to sleep after that. Well, I'll go, I'll go home and 1159 01:03:35,920 --> 01:03:40,000 have a long time myself. Have a frost fest. 1160 01:03:40,440 --> 01:03:43,920 A nice, crispy, tiny festive frost fest. 1161 01:03:45,640 --> 01:03:47,440 It is crispy. Yes. 1162 01:03:49,160 --> 01:03:52,800 And then lastly, it's worth mentioning that this is the the 1163 01:03:52,800 --> 01:03:57,080 swan song season for Malfeese and Bob Rinka. 1164 01:03:57,080 --> 01:03:59,880 I mean 2 just. Yeah. 1165 01:03:59,880 --> 01:04:02,400 Absolute studs. I mean especially Stan. 1166 01:04:02,400 --> 01:04:06,120 Stan might be. I think Djokovic called him the 1167 01:04:06,120 --> 01:04:09,840 most underrated player of all timer of our era or his era. 1168 01:04:11,080 --> 01:04:13,080 Big fan, yeah. Glad that you brought that up 1169 01:04:13,120 --> 01:04:14,760 too. Very, very, very good to 1170 01:04:14,760 --> 01:04:17,200 recognize this, too. I mean, yeah. 1171 01:04:17,200 --> 01:04:21,400 I mean, what what GAIL is as far as an athlete, the enjoyment he 1172 01:04:21,400 --> 01:04:23,760 brought to the game. I mean, that kid never played a 1173 01:04:23,760 --> 01:04:26,120 match that he he didn't just love entertaining. 1174 01:04:26,120 --> 01:04:28,720 I remember watching his final match as a junior center court 1175 01:04:28,880 --> 01:04:30,880 U.S. Open, and it was just like a 1176 01:04:30,880 --> 01:04:33,160 rubber band bouncing around the court. 1177 01:04:33,480 --> 01:04:36,640 It's just was so unique the way that he played his flair. 1178 01:04:36,640 --> 01:04:38,320 Everything about it was just joy and. 1179 01:04:38,560 --> 01:04:40,680 His dancing, his incredible dance. 1180 01:04:41,400 --> 01:04:43,160 Yeah, he's like the most likable player. 1181 01:04:44,280 --> 01:04:51,080 What a good and did you see his wife won this week and 1182 01:04:51,080 --> 01:04:55,400 interestingly he won that same tournament, the ATP side last 1183 01:04:55,400 --> 01:04:57,480 year. Oh, Auckland, Yeah, yeah. 1184 01:04:57,680 --> 01:05:00,960 So he won 25, she won 26, he carried her trophy off the 1185 01:05:00,960 --> 01:05:02,200 court. It was a really cool scene. 1186 01:05:02,640 --> 01:05:04,760 Yeah. I think she's up the 12th spit 1187 01:05:04,760 --> 01:05:06,160 of Lena now. Yeah. 1188 01:05:06,160 --> 01:05:07,400 Amazing. Yeah. 1189 01:05:08,120 --> 01:05:09,960 Solid. Amazing, would love to see him 1190 01:05:09,960 --> 01:05:13,040 both have like a really strong healthy healthy year. 1191 01:05:13,720 --> 01:05:20,040 And Stan, I mean Stan won two Grand Slams, Australian Open and 1192 01:05:20,560 --> 01:05:20,920 U.S. Open. 1193 01:05:21,000 --> 01:05:21,520 Right. Yeah. 1194 01:05:21,800 --> 01:05:22,160 U.S. Open. 1195 01:05:22,520 --> 01:05:24,400 Yeah. Nobody wanted to see him in the 1196 01:05:24,400 --> 01:05:26,000 final. The big guys, No. 1197 01:05:27,920 --> 01:05:29,920 And Venus? Williams is is going to be in 1198 01:05:29,920 --> 01:05:32,440 the AO right as a wild card at 45 years young. 1199 01:05:33,000 --> 01:05:35,840 Oh, I I do think. Speaking of Swan Sound by. 1200 01:05:35,880 --> 01:05:40,400 Text I think Serena, right, She came out she was on the list for 1201 01:05:40,400 --> 01:05:42,600 drug testing and everyone's like, why would she be on the 1202 01:05:42,600 --> 01:05:45,600 list for drug testing unless she's going to come back and she 1203 01:05:45,600 --> 01:05:49,360 was denying it, denying it. But I I suspect my big 1204 01:05:49,360 --> 01:05:52,880 prediction. Maybe it's not so edgy, but 1205 01:05:53,320 --> 01:05:57,960 she'll play the the Wimbledon double S with with her sister. 1206 01:05:59,320 --> 01:06:01,400 Oh, that makes sense. I guess that's that's really 1207 01:06:01,400 --> 01:06:02,640 cool. Let's get it. 1208 01:06:02,800 --> 01:06:04,080 Let's get it on the prediction market. 1209 01:06:04,480 --> 01:06:06,720 Yeah, I'm going to bet that. Natalie. 1210 01:06:06,880 --> 01:06:21,640 I am too. Thanks for listening and don't 1211 01:06:21,640 --> 01:06:24,720 forget to subscribe to Breaking Back on your favorite podcast 1212 01:06:24,720 --> 01:06:28,080 platform and be sure to follow us on X and Instagram at 1213 01:06:28,080 --> 01:06:28,960 Breaking Backpack.