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In recent weeks, there's been a 
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sustainability of the AI boom. 
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outrage around Sarah Fryer, Open
AI finance chief, floating the 

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idea that a government backstop 
for its $1.4 trillion data 

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center build out might be a good
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Fryer quickly walked back her 
suggestion in the LinkedIn post 

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later that day, saying that she 
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needed to play their part in 
combination with the private 

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sector to contribute to 
America's AI growth and that 

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Open AI was not seeking a 
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infrastructure commitments. 
Her statement, while attempting 

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to calm the outrage, only 
confused matters even further 

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about how the not yet profitable
start up plans to pay for its 

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massive AI data centre and chip 
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Sam Altman tweeted on the 
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We do not have or want 
government guarantees for open 

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AI data centres. 
We believe that governments 

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should not pick winners or 
losers and the taxpayers should 

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not bail out companies that make
bad business decisions or 

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otherwise lose in the market. 
Then it turned into a Bill 

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Aikman tweet at that point where
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pages. 
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would write a tweet that long, 
and then I realized he he'd 

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probably just used ChatGPT. 
He knew that people would only 

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read the first few lines, but he
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So how to churn out an entire 
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The core problem for Open AI is 
that they've signed more than 

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$1.4 trillion in infrastructure 
commitments over the last few 

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months with the goal of building
out the data centers that it 

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says are needed to meet soaring 
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But they are nowhere near having
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those deals. 
FIRE gave the example of having 

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to hold back Sora 2 for months 
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I just want to be clear what it 
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constrained. 
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cannot roll out our new models 
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So when Sora 2 was ready to when
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was probably a good 6-7 months 
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OK, the agreements that they've 
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questions around how a cash 
burning company with tiny 

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revenues relative to their plant
spending can possibly make such 

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huge commitment. 
This was not the first time Open

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AI has looked to Washington for 
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Just a month ago, the company 
sent a detailed letter to the 

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White House urging the federal 
government to double down ON 

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Semiconductor subsidies, asking 
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cover the entire AI supply 
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data centres and grid hardware. 
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broadening eligibility for 
taxpayer funded subsidies would 

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lower the effective cost of 
capital de risk early investment

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and unlock private capital. 
Open AI and it's data centre 

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partners are of course amongst 
the largest buyers of 

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semiconductors in the world, so 
any subsidy would directly 

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benefit them. 
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governments around the world as 
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security and economic 
importance, akin to past 

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industrial mobilizations like 
the Manhattan Project and the 

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Space Race. 
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that level and pitch it as being
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government funded backstop might
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The irony though is that while 
lobbying for taxpayer support in

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the name of geopolitical 
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are pumping billions into 
building models that generate 

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weird anime girlfriends, 
SpongeBob deepfakes, Sam 

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Altman's Studio Ghibli style 
profile photo and in Elon Musk's

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case, a chatbot that appears to 
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to constantly flatter him in the
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Which caused all sorts of 
hilarity on the everything app 

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formerly known as Twitter this 
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We'll come back to that in just 
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While all of this was going on, 
NVIDIA warned for the first time

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in a regulatory filing that it's
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capital and energy for AI data 
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it's growth. 
On top of that, Amazon launched 

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A complaint with the Public 
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that the electric utility was 
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power for the four new data 
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highlighting the strain that 
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putting on electric grids. 
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hook them up to the grid, but 
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with the power that they wanted.
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Silicon Valley is not so much 
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world, but whether the world can
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This brings us to Nvidia's 
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night. 
The tech rally that has defined 

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much of 2025, especially after 
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April, began to lose momentum in
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Some analysts traced the 
inflection point to when Open AI

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announced a $300 billion cloud 
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pledged up to 100 billion in 
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Those headlines, which were 
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instead raised questions about 
circular financing and the sheer

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scale of spending commitments. 
Private credit blow UPS added to

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the unease in markets, reviving 
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and fraud in a market already 
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leverage. 
Valuations were lofty, and the 

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spaghetti diagrams of 
interlocking deals with 

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hyperscalers funding AI labs 
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hyperscalers started looking 
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No surprise, then, that bubble 
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Nvidia's earnings report on 
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those fears. 
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company and the beating heart of
the AI trade posted a 62% jump 

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in revenue for the three months 
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expectations. 
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billion, and the company raised 
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current quarter to $65 billion. 
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just by the hype. 
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the Unhedged podcast, the worry 
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earnings ratio. 
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it's earning, and the growth 
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ultimately unsustainable. 
At today's pace, Nvidia's 

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valuation makes sense. 
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growth curve can defy gravity 
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Open AI's finances look even 
more precarious than most people

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realize. 
Microsoft's September earning 

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filing revealed that Open AI 
lost roughly 11 1/2 billion 

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dollars in a single quarter, 
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That pushes year to date losses 
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projected annual revenue of 
about $20 billion. 

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The company has raised nearly 
$58 billion in equity so far and

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was valued at $500 billion last 
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The company is talking about an 
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next year, which would float the
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possibly bring in about $60 
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But that's just over 4% of it's 
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commitment. 
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leaned on creative deal 
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NVIDIA has pledged up to $100 
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investments, while AMD granted 
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its stock for a penny per share 
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mad. 
Sarah Fryer, Open AICFO, 

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explained the company's 
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Journal event. 
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Ireland, she must have been in 
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know that the first step in 
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magic word. 
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side to pay for it is massive. 
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We've raised equity as a private
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path, but we've raised a lot. 
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business. 
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favorite way to fund anything 
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quickly. 
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gotten into is really working 
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really interesting financing 
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I'm particularly proud of the 
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put in place just a few weeks 
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alignment of incentives. 
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as Open AI can't fund anything 
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When that cash flow is negative,
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the AMD warrant. 
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comes out and says we're going 
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immediately are often seeing 
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price. 
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going to happen, we would like 
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And I think Lisa and team did 
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with that warrant structure. 
The warrant deal between Open AI

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and AMD is a strategic 
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commits to buying billions of 
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and in return, AMD grants Open 
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160 million of its shares, which
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company at a nominal price of 1 
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When the deal was announced, AMD
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deal only vests if Open AI buys 
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undisclosed milestones, and AM 
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The AMD deal would bring in 
almost $100 billion worth of AMD

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stock if all of the targets were
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AMD stock price. 
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of chip purchases, which she 
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So one GW data center build 
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investment. 
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How that really breaks down is 
about 15 billion is for the land

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PowerShell and about 35 billion 
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So to bring in $100 billion, 
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Nvidia's $100 billion pledge to 
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to reciprocal commitments. 
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out, Open AI could bring in $200
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But that still leaves them $1.2 
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And they're burning 10s of 
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with no end. 
Insight The unit economics of 

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running the current generation 
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As Paul Kedrosky explained it on
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The incentive seems to be for 
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line as much as possible, even 
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to greater and greater losses. 
The models have negative unit 

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economics, which is a fancy way 
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sale and try to make it up on 
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In AI, costs rise almost 
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very different to traditional 
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There's no marginal cost magic 
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According to Forbes, despite an 
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AI may be losing around $15 
million a day or $5 billion 

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annualized on Sora 2. 
It's AI video generating app. 

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Tech firms have always been 
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Open AI's approach borders on 
the surreal, where it's become 

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all about trying to find 
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MicroStrategy, or Strategy as 
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similar trick with its Bitcoin 
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expect to end very well. 
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financing structure that looks 
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Hyperscalers and AI labs are 
using special purpose vehicles 

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so that they can borrow but keep
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sheets. 
Tech firms have essentially been

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reinventing structured finance 
to build AI models so that they 

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can generate AI girlfriends. 
That is just the world that we 

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live in and I will always love 
you, Sarah Fryer explained at 

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the Wall Street Journal Offend 
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around $50 billion, where 15 
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infrastructure and $35 billion 
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From a financing perspective, 
people know how to finance data 

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centres. 
They typically all have 2025, 

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even 30 year lives. 
Those are easy things. 

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I would say today to finance 
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finance because number one, I 
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our arms around what is the life
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What this means is that the more
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chips, the faster they can be 
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And so the $35 billion worth of 
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centre are very difficult to 
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People don't want to own them if
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when a new one comes out, and 
people really don't want to 

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accept them as collateral on 
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That's when she put forth this 
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And so this is where we're 
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banks, private equity, maybe 
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governments can come to bear. 
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or. 
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first of all, the the backstop, 
the guarantee that allows the 

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financing to happen, that can 
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financing, but also increase the
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portion? 
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CHIP investment. 
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particular has been incredibly 
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understood that AI has is almost
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that we really need to be 
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Are we doing all the right 
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as fast as possible? 
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they want to lever up their bet 
on AI, but banks wouldn't want 

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to lend, and the interest rate 
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depreciating chips would be so 
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government to back the loan. 
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make some of my viewers angry, 
but there's actually no need to 

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get angry about something like 
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Elon Musk have both explained in
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money obsolete, so who cares 
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Even if the money materializes 
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anymore, the electrons may not 
open AI. 

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Stargate project alone would 
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which is roughly 10 nuclear 
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It's full build out implies 23. 
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Google has a model. 
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themselves has one too. 
There's Grog, good old Grog, and

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Tropic, and lots, lots more. 
What I'm saying is we're going 

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to need a lot of power plants. 
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boat, and we also have to plug 
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Only one new nuclear power 
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It took a decade to complete and
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plant ever built. 
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10 years. 
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Amazon has filed A complaint 
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to deliver promised power to 4 
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Pacificorp says that it's 
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indirect harms or translation. 
We can't turn the lights off in 

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Portland so that Jeff Bezos can 
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meter. 
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too, as stop gaps. 
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about nuclear partnerships. 
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asset risk, as a natural gas 
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cluster might be obsolete in 18 
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Lenders see the mismatch, and 
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Tech firms that promise to 
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need more concrete, copper, and 
electricity than the steel mills

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did. 
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be weightless, turns out to be 
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So why keep spending? 
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as being existential. 
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and competition with China. 
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existential, the limit on 
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Polkidoski described it as a 
meta bubble on the Odd Lots 

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podcast. 
Tech hype, Real estate, state 

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speculation, loose credit and a 
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all in one. 
There are some bubbly signs. 

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I remember in 1999 seeing 
adverts on CNBC for a company 

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that manufactured equipment used
in the way for fabrication steps

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of making semiconductors. 
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time why they were paying for TV
adverts when their customers 

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would all know who they were and
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No one watches CNBC and decides 
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chips in their garage. 
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were advertising the stock, not 
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The stock fell around 80% over 
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Recently, I've seen a tech CEO 
being interviewed wearing AT 

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shirt with his company's ticker 
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Not the company name, the ticker
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I've noticed that every podcast 
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weeks seems to have adverts for 
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And once again, I wonder if they
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customers might be listening to 
a Bloomberg podcast or if they 

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just want to pump the stock. 
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company constantly. 
He talks about burning short 

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sellers while dumping his own 
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Even if there is a bubble, it 
can be impossible to know when 

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it'll pop. 
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the big tech firms funding a lot
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profitable in their core 
businesses that they can afford 

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this gamble. 
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the stock market then? 
Well, probably not, unless they 

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know how they'll get back in 
again. 

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If you're a diversified investor
with a long holding period, even

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if you invested the day before 
the 1987 crash, right before the

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credit crunch, or right before 
the COVID sell off, you might 

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have been uncomfortable for a 
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But if you stayed invested, you 
weren't good returns over time. 

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The Economist estimates that 
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Her it could erase 8% of US 
household wealth and cut 

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consumption by $500 billion, or 
1.6% of GDP. 

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They show that at the 
peakofthe.com bubble, the market

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cap of the S&P was 124% of 
USGDP. 

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When the bubble burst, tech 
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their value. 
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American stocks are up 71% and 
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They point out that a crash 
today would have a bigger effect

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on ordinary Americans than it 
did 25 years ago, as the share 

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of household wealth in the stock
market has climbed from 17% back

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then to 21% today. 
If the stock market fell as much

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as it did back then, it would 
wipe out as much as 8% of US 

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household wealth. 
Foreign investors who are 

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heavily invested in US tech 
would take a significant hit, 

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too. 
The fallout wouldn't stop at 

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Silicon Valley. 
Pension funds, REITs, and 

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private credit vehicles are 
exposed to AI investment, too. 

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Utilities that built gas plants 
for data centers could be left 

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with standard assets. 
The last time America overbuilt 

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infrastructure this aggressively
was the telecom boom, and much 

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of the dark fibre that was laid 
back then was never lit. 

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As I said a few weeks ago, the 
tech boom today is very 

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different to the.com bubble of 
the late 90s where unprofitable 

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start-ups were racing to IPO 
after a few months in business, 

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burning cash on vague promises 
of eyeballs and banner ads. 

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Today's big tech firms, 
Microsoft, Amazon, Google, Meta 

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are highly profitable, well run 
businesses with entrenched 

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revenue streams. 
They may be pouring 10s of 

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billions into AI, but if these 
bets fail, their core 

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businesses, cloud, advertising 
and e-commerce remain intact and

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cash flow positive. 
The real risk sits with the 

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private AI labs and their 
venture backers, not really with

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the hyperscalers. 
If anything resembles the fraud 

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of 1999, it's crypto, not 
trillion dollar companies with 

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fortress balance sheets. 
For AI users, this frenzy is a 

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gift. 
Competition has meant that the 

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models improve rapidly and their
prices start low. 

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There's no reason not to use 
these products while they're 

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free or almost free for AI 
investors. 

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The economics are unforgiving. 
Better chips make models faster 

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and make yesterday space chips 
worthless. 

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Every leap forward accelerates 
depreciation on the collateral 

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lenders are asked to finance. 
That's why banks refuse to lend.

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They prefer assets that last 
longer than a news cycle. 

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Sam Altman says that Open AI 
isn't and wasn't pitching for a 

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government backstop, that he 
thinks government should build 

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their own AI infrastructure. 
That might happen, but it does 

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nothing to solve Open AI's 
problem financing $1.4 trillion 

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of private data centres with non
government guaranteed bonds. 

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For now, the company is betting 
that the capital markets will 

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keep playing along. 
If they don't, the build out 

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debate FIRE stumbled into will 
return louder, sharper, and 

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harder to ignore. 
I almost forgot to include this 

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piece, but one of the funnier 
news stories of the week was 

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about Grok, Elon Musk's maximum 
truth seeking chatbot. 

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It seems that the code must have
been tweaked a bit this week and

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adjusted such that Grok's output
is more in line with Musk's way 

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of thinking. 
Grok began claiming that Elon 

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Musk is more physically fit than
LeBron James, a better role 

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model than Jesus, and that his 
intellect is in the same bracket

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as Isaac Newton's, that he was a
better fighter than Mike Tyson, 

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and that he's funnier than Jerry
Seinfeld. 

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People quickly worked out that 
Grok would say that Musk was 

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amazing at everything, which led
to some inappropriate questions 

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and this headline at Four O 4 
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Many of the Grok responses were 
quietly deleted on Friday, and 

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Musk tweeted that someone had 
manipulated Grok into saying 

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absurdly positive things about 
him. 

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I'm sure if he ever catches that
guy, he'll be in a world of of 

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trouble. 
Thanks again for tuning into the

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