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Hello and welcome. 
You are listening to Patrick 

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Boyle on Finance, a podcast 
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events occurring in markets 

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right now and financial history 
to see what lessons can be taken

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away, including interviews with 
some of the most interesting 

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people in the world of finance. 
To learn more about the podcast,

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visit on finance.org. 
The British government is on the

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verge of agreeing to an almost 
$800 million bailout for Jingyi 

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Group, the Chinese owners of 
British Steel. 

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Rishi Sunak's government already
agreed to an almost $700 million

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subsidy for Indian owned Tata 
Steel if they replace their 2 

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remaining UK based blast 
furnaces with more 

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environmentally friendly 
electric arc furnaces. 

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These are two of the largest 
state support packages in 

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British history. 
The outgoing Conservative 

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government didn't sign the Tata 
deal before the recent election 

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and the new Labor government has
now said that they will make job

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guarantees a requirement of any 
state support package offered to

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Tata Steel. 
Last year, the British 

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government offered $700 million 
in subsidies to Tata, the owner 

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of Jaguar Land Rover, to 
persuade them to build a new 

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battery plant in the UK. 
They agreed to $100 million in 

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subsidies for German owned BMW 
to continue building the 

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electric Mini in the UK and $100
million to Nissan to safeguard 

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the Japanese owned company's 
future in the UK. 

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Do these bailouts and subsidies 
to foreign owned companies make 

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any sense for British taxpayers?
And if they are paid, can 

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taxpayers expect these companies
to stop coming back for more 

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government handouts by 
threatening layoffs again in the

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future? 
Many foreign owned companies do 

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ask for and get subsidies. 
But the steel industry is 

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possibly the most interesting of
this group because governments 

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around the world worry about 
losing their steel industries, 

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both for fear of losing 
manufacturing jobs and for 

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strategic military reasons. 
The American Iron and Steel 

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Institute, for example, 
highlights on its website that 

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all segments of the American 
steel industry contribute to the

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defence industrial base. 
The British steel making 

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industry has unfortunately been 
in decline for quite some time, 

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which is a sad thing to say for 
the country that invented modern

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steel manufacturing. 
Before 1860, steel was a very 

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expensive product that was made 
in small quantities and used to 

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manufacture precision tools and 
cutlery. 

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The Bessemer process developed 
in England made steel easier, 

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quicker and cheaper to 
manufacture. 

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In 1875, Britain led the world, 
accounting for 40% of global 

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steel production, the majority 
of which was exported. 25 years 

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later, the United States had 
become the market leader and 

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Germany was catching up quickly.
The British iron and steel 

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industry first came under 
government control during the 

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Second World War as part of the 
war effort. 

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After the war, the Labour Party 
won a landslide victory and 

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established an iron and steel 
board to control the price of 

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raw materials, finished 
products, and the development of

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new plant and equipment. 
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nationalized the steel industry 
with the passage of the Iron and

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Steel Act. 
This was reversed by the 

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Conservative government who were
elected in 1951, but the 

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industry was nationalized once 
again in 1967 under a Labour 

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government as British Steel. 
Under the nationalization in the

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60s and 70's, the government's 
goal was to keep employment as 

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high as possible, especially in 
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Many of the steel plants at this
time were overstaffed, pay was 

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higher than average, and British
Steel was unprofitable. 

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It was only able to stay in 
business because of government 

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subsidies. 
In the early 1970's, the British

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steel industry employed around 
320,000 people. 

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By 1991 that figure had fallen 
to just 44,000 workers and today

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it employs around 30,000 people.
The British steel industry is 

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today ranked 26th globally and 
comprises 6 steel mills, four of

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which are blast furnaces. 
According to government 

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documents, the decline in the 
steel industry employment can be

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explained by increased 
productivity as fewer workers 

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are needed in modern factories, 
but the job losses are mostly 

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explained by foreign 
competition, particularly from 

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China where manufacturing costs 
are significantly lower. 

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Britain's new net zero laws mean
that the four remaining blast 

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furnaces, two of which are 
operated by Tata and the other 

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two by British Steel, have to be
replaced with electric arc 

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furnaces to reduce their CO2 
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When the subsidy deal for Tata 
was announced, the government 

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said that the new electric 
furnaces would cut the country's

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total carbon emissions by around
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There's been some concern in the
UK that as global tensions have 

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been rising and other countries 
have focused on supply chain 

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resilience, that these new, 
greener furnaces can't make 

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Virgin steel and instead just 
recycle steel, which some 

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industry experts say can't be 
used for military purposes. 

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To be clear, Virgin steel has 
nothing to do with Richard 

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Branson. 
It's just primary steel made 

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from iron ore, while the newer 
technology is cleaner, more 

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efficient and requires fewer 
workers. 

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Britain, which was once the 
world's largest steel producer, 

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may soon become the first major 
economy with no capacity to make

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steel from scratch. 
One of the biggest arguments in 

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favour of subsidizing Tata and 
Jingyi Group, the owners of 

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British Steel, is that if they 
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Britain would have no remaining 
steel industry. 

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Tata and Jingyi manufacture 
almost 6,000,000 tons of the 7.2

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million tons of steel produced 
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Under the current plans, all 
four of the remaining blast 

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furnaces will be shut down 
anyhow while the new electric 

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arc furnaces are being built, 
which will take a minimum of 

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three years, assuming no time 
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And in the meantime, Britain 
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it's steel. 
So one way or another, Britain 

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will be importing almost all of 
it's steel over the next few 

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years. 
A big part of the pro subsidy 

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argument is that if these 
furnaces were permanently shut 

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down, the UK might be 
dangerously exposed, 

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particularly in the case of war.
There's even been some press 

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about how with the upgraded 
furnaces, Britain could still 

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find itself in a strategically 
weak position, as whence the 

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blast furnaces go away, the 
country will no longer be 

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producing virgin steel, meaning 
steel made from the primary raw 

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materials. 
To explain the difference, 70% 

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of the world's steel is today 
made using basic oxygen 

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furnaces, like the ones being 
shut down, which burn coal to 

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melt iron ore to extract the 
iron. 

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This iron can then be turned 
into steel. 

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Most of the inputs to this 
process are mined raw materials,

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and the carbon footprint of 
virgin steel can be up to five 

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times greater than the carbon 
footprint of recycled steel when

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you take the carbon intensive 
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The electric arc furnaces, on 
the other hand, take scrap steel

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and use a massive electrical 
current to melt it down, and 

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with some processing, the end 
product is recycled steel, which

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has a much lower carbon 
footprint, according to a blog 

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post by Ed Conway, the author of
the book Material World. 

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I'll put a link to the book and 
his blog in the description. 

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Electric arc furnaces 
historically produced 

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significantly worse steel than 
the virgin steel that comes from

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primary steel works. 
In the past, this recycled steel

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was good enough for making 
things like rebar, which is used

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in construction, but was not 
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Conway explains that this is no 
longer the case. 

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He points out that the steel 
that goes into aircraft landing 

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gear, which is apparently one of
the finest grades in the world, 

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is made today in the electric 
arc furnaces at Rotherham. 

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The steel used to make nuclear 
submarines and parts for nuclear

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power stations is made by 
Sheffield Forgemasters, once 

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again in electric arc furnaces. 
Conway argues that recycled 

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steel quality is not a big issue
and that the real issue the 

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manufacturers are struggling 
with is whether they'll be able 

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to churn out enough of the 
relatively cheap rolled steel 

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which they currently make, which
is used in packaging products 

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like cans. 
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its self-sufficiency, Conway 
points out that virgin steel 

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making in the UK is already 
hugely dependent on imports, as 

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Britain stopped mining iron ore 
decades ago and already relies 

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on imports from Sweden, Brazil 
and Australia. 

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Additionally, most of the coal 
used in British steel mills is 

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imported from Europe and further
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He points out that even in the 
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the UK was heavily reliant on 
iron ore imports from Sweden, as

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was Germany, to manufacture 
ships and other weapons. 

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The idea that holding on to 
blast furnaces for the purposes 

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of self-sufficiency doesn't seem
to hold much water. 

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According to the Financial 
Times, the UK produces 10 to 

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11,000,000 tons of scrap steel 
each year, the majority of which

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is exported, with more than half
of it being shipped to Turkey, 

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Egypt and India for processing. 
This is considerably more in 

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exports than the 6,000,000 tons 
of virgin steel produced in the 

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UK every year. 
Based on these figures, it can 

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be argued that moving from 
virgin steel production to steel

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recycling in fact decreases the 
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In terms of the military need 
for steel, I've no real 

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expertise on that front and was 
unable to find figures for the 

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UK, but in the United States 
around 3% of steel demand comes 

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from defence and military end 
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steel being construction and 
automotive manufacturing. 

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From a strategic perspective, 
Western economy should possibly 

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worry more about critical 
minerals, which are used in 

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manufacturing semiconductors and
in military and communications 

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equipment, as China produces 98%
of the world's gallium and 60% 

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of the world's germanium, 
according to the US Geological 

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Survey. 
China began imposing export 

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restrictions on these critical 
minerals last year in response 

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to US controls on sales of chips
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saying that the export 
restrictions were needed to 

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safeguard China's national 
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It's steel is easily procured, 
but the entire planet relies on 

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China for critical minerals. 
It might be more worthwhile to 

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focus on that supply chain with 
regard to protecting steel 

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worker jobs. 
The transition to more modern 

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electric arc furnaces is likely 
to involve layoffs, as these new

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furnaces require far fewer 
workers than the existing blast 

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furnaces do. 
So about 5600 jobs are expected 

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to be lost in the UK just 
because of the upgrades and I'm 

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not sure how many steel workers 
will keep their jobs over the 

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three or more year period when 
the plants are being upgraded 

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for for this reason, British 
steel workers have been 

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threatening to strike, saying 
that they're not just fighting 

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for their jobs, but fighting for
the future of their communities 

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and the future of steel. 
The threatened strikes were 

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suspended when Tata warned that 
it would bring forward the 

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planned furnace closures if walk
outs went ahead. 

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So should governments be 
subsidizing businesses at all, 

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and in particular, should they 
subsidized foreign owned firms? 

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When governments subsidized 
specific companies with billions

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of dollars of taxpayers money 
and put restrictions in place on

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foreign competition, the 
policies can definitely be 

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expected to have an effect in 
the real economy. 

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But what does the taxpayer get 
in return? 

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If the trade interventions 
generate huge private investment

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where factories are built and 
workers are employed, boosting 

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the national economy and 
generating a return on 

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investment, then the 
government's gamble will have 

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paid off. 
If, on the other hand, you end 

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up with weak companies and weak 
industries that can only get by 

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under continued protection or 
support, the taxpayer loses out 

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and either the owners of the 
subsidized businesses or the 

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workers in the chosen industries
win out at the expense of 

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society as a whole. 
AstraZeneca, the British Swedish

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pharmaceutical company, recently
warned that it might move its 

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vaccine manufacturing side 
abroad because of recent 

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government negotiations to 
reduce state aid promised for 

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the project. 
According to the Guardian, at 

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least 97% of the funding for the
development of the vaccine came 

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from taxpayers or Charitable 
Trusts. 

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According to the FT, AstraZeneca
told UK government officials 

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that they're considering moving 
the facility to the United 

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States, where generous 
government financial support is 

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offered. 
Reuters reports that company 

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bosses in the UK have warned 
that Britain is falling behind 

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the United States, which has 
benefited from the huge 

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subsidies of Biden's Inflation 
Reduction Act, and the European 

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Union, which also has incentive 
schemes in place. 

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What's today known as British 
Steel already went bankrupt in 

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20/19. 
It had been bought from Tata 

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Steel in 2016 as a loss making 
business by a private equity 

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firm who paid £1.00 for the 
business, promising to invest 

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more. 
Over the next two years it 

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flipped to profitability, paying
£3,000,000 per year to its 

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parent company along with 
17,000,000 lbs in interest on a 

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loan. 
The government gave British 

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Steel a $152 million loan in 
2019 so that it could pay CO2 

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emissions fees to the EU as it 
had been excluded from the E US 

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Carbon Emissions Trading Scheme 
due to a no deal Brexit. 

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The company collapsed into 
bankruptcy just three weeks 

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later when the British 
government refused to advance it

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an additional $38 million to 
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needs. 
We'll be back after a quick 

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break. 
It's like our brains have a mind

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of their own when it comes to 
money, right? 

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Yeah. 
It's crazy. 

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We're diving into that today, 
how our brains really deal with 

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money. 
We're going deep on this one, 

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looking at money and how we 
decide behavioral research. 

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This stuff is like eye opening. 
Seriously, it turns out our 

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brains aren't always rational, 
especially with money. 

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No kidding. 
So what's the deal with that? 

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Why are we so bad at making, you
know, sensible financial 

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decisions? 
Well, our brains are kind of 

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lazy in a way. 
They love taking shortcuts. 

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It was then bought out of 
bankruptcy by Jingyi Group, it's

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current Chinese owners, for £70 
million, which is around $92 

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million. 
Jingyi agreed to invest $1.6 

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billion into the business at the
time, but only invested $200 

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million, according to The 
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They are now asking for an $800 
million subsidy, which is a bit 

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over 2 1/2 times the money that 
they themselves put into the 

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business. 
Earlier this year, Jiny's 

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auditors, Moore Kingston Smith, 
unexpectedly resigned just days 

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after the company released its 
financial filings for 2021, more

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than a year after they were due.
This auditor had only been 

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appointed one year earlier after
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More Kingston Smith cited 
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inventory such as raw materials 
and equipment, stating that they

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had been unable to satisfy 
themselves over the existence of

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£45.8 million worth of inventory
despite trying to verify through

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alternative means. 
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opinion. 
You really have to question if a

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government should provide a huge
subsidy far in excess of the 

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value of the business or what 
its owners paid for it, to a 

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company that seems unable to 
prove the existence of inventory

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that they are carrying on their 
books. 

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According to Wikipedia, there 
are 3200 British employees at 

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British Steel. 
With an $800 million subsidy. 

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It would cost the British 
taxpayer $250,000 per person to 

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save each job, assuming that 
Jing Yi doesn't come back 

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looking for further subsidies. 
According to UK Steel, the UK's 

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electricity wholesale price is 
more than double the cost of 

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French and Spanish electricity. 
The British steel industry is 

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already heavily reliant on 
electricity and this demand will

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only grow as new electric arc 
furnaces come online. 

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UK Steel says that with the 
change, it's expected that the 

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sector's electricity consumption
will roughly double. 

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Last year, the British 
government announced measures to

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support employers in sectors 
including steel, metals, paper 

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and chemicals that are among 
those most exposed to the high 

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cost of electricity. 
Based on these facts, we do have

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to question if the UK is even a 
good place to manufacture steel 

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at all. 
If some onshore manufacturing is

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needed for military purposes, 
should the cost of an 

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appropriately sized steel mill 
come out of the military budget 

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rather than the government 
subsidizing foreign firms to 

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manufacture steel uneconomically
in the UK? 

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In the British government's own 
report, they describe how more 

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steel is being produced globally
than there's demand for, and 

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that a glut of steel has pushed 
prices down. 

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It's difficult to justify 
spending so much taxpayer money 

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subsidizing an industry that has
such a poor outlook. 

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If there's more supply than 
demand and you're competing with

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subsidized steel from China, at 
what point can you reasonably 

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expect to ever see a return on 
this investment? 

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To highlight how bad the 
situation in the steel industry 

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is, Brazil recently announced 
quotas and tariffs on cheap 

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imported Chinese steel. 
Now, while China does mine some 

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iron ore, it buys the majority 
of its iron ore from Australia 

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and Brazil. 
The fact that Brazilian steel 

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mills, where wages are probably 
not too high, are struggling to 

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compete on price with 
competitors who buy their iron 

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ore in Brazil, ship it 11,000 
miles to China, convert it into 

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steel, and ship the finished 
good 11,000 miles back to Brazil

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tells you that this is not a 
great business to be in. 

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It would be easy for me to 
oversimplify and claim that 

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there's an obvious solution to 
these trade problems that we see

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today. 
But very smart people are 

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working on these problems, and 
they're likely considering 

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everything I've brought up in 
this video and much more. 

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Milton Friedman argued that 
exports are the cost of trade 

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and imports the return from 
trade. 

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The only reason to export is to 
have the money to pay for 

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imports. 
He argued that there's no reason

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for a country to want to export 
more than they're importing. 

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And I think he's right about 
that. 

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Unfortunately, this sort of 
balanced free trade that's based

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on the law of comparative 
advantage is not something that 

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we've seen in recent decades. 
As many emerging markets pursue 

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a strategy of keeping wages low 
and subsidizing industries so 

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that they can export far more 
than they import, sacrificing 

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profitability for growth, this 
strategy doesn't make much 

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sense. 
It eventually leads to all of 

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the problems that Japan is 
dealing with today. 

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Hugh Hendry has joked that 
countries pursuing this strategy

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are great at generating GDP but 
not profits, and there's not 

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much point in that. 
Michael Pettis recently wrote in

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the FT that the global trading 
system has long diverged from 

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one in which countries 
specialize and benefit from the 

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comparative advantage based 
trade that economists talk 

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about. 
The theory of comparative 

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advantage says that the global 
economy benefits when different 

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countries specialize in the 
products they can produce 

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comparatively more efficiently, 
exchanging them for products 

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that other countries can produce
comparatively more efficiently. 

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Pettis points out that it's a 
lot trickier to trade with 

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countries who are willing to 
dump goods abroad below their 

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cost of manufacture, as while 
you're getting cheap goods, 

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which is a win, if they persist 
long enough, your industry can 

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be wiped out. 
This isn't a smart strategy from

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the exporting countries 
perspective either, as 

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eventually they may end up with 
the biggest factories in the 

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world, but if their trade policy
cause unemployment abroad, they 

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find themselves having sold 
goods on credit to customers who

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can't pay them and who are no 
longer buying more goods. 

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Everyone loses in such a 
situation. 

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Almost all economists support 
free trade based on comparative 

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advantage, as this maximizes the
value of goods and services 

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produced by the global economy. 
But Pettis argues that the 

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excess savings and persistent 
trade surpluses that we see 

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today are not signs of 
comparative advantage based 

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trade or signs of a healthy 
system of international trade. 

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He argues that the current 
global trade regime subjects 

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deficit economies like the US to
an industrial policy, but not 

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one of their choosing. 
Instead they end up with the 

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obverse of the industrial and 
trade policies of their most 

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aggressive trade partners. 
Over the last few decades, 

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globalization has brought down 
the price of goods. 

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For example, 50 years ago you 
couldn't buy AT shirt for the 

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inflation adjusted dollar that 
you can do today and have it 

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shipped to your house for free. 
I don't agree with subsidizing 

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manufacturing, especially in 
industries like steel where the 

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UK has no competitive advantage 
today and it's not clear that 

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one will appear in the near 
future, especially when the cost

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of electricity and raw materials
is so much higher in the UK than

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it is abroad. 
The recent slowdown in China has

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meant even lower Chinese 
consumption, and because the 

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same amount of goods are being 
produced, the surplus is just 

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being exported. 
The recent increase in exports 

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from a country that was already 
a huge exporter has LED 

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politicians around the world to 
implement protectionist measures

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to defend local industry. 
We're seeing this with electric 

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vehicles where the United United
States, Canada and the EU have 

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all increased tariffs on Chinese
EVs. 

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Britain has not done this yet, 
likely because in the post 

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Brexit environment they don't 
want China imposing tariffs on 

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British goods. 
Britain already has enough trade

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problems to deal with. 
The long downturn in the British

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steel industry is part of a 
broader decline in industry and 

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manufacturing that many argue 
played a big role in reshaping 

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politics, leading to the UK's 
vote to leave the EU in 2016. 

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A British government research 
report describes steel as being 

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an intensively traded product 
where a glut of steel on global 

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markets has depressed its value.
It says that governments 

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participating in the OECD Steel 
Committee consider excess 

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capacity as being one of the 
main challenges facing the 

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global steel sector today. 
It goes on to say that steel 

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industries are often heavily 
subsidized by national 

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governments, resulting in 
production levels are exceeding 

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what the market needs would 
otherwise dictate. 

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In such a situation and in such 
a competitive environment, would

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it be better for the British 
government to allow the steel 

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mills to just fall into 
bankruptcy with their foreign 

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owners taking the loss? 
If it makes economic sense to 

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build new electric arc furnaces,
a new company could step in to 

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do this. 
I'm not sure that the existing 

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management are needed. 
It doesn't sound like a great 

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business opportunity to me at 
present. 

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So there's a good chance that 
left alone, the steel mills 

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would just shut down. 
But at least it wouldn't involve

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taxpayers providing a subsidy to
foreign firms greater than the 

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foreign firms own investment in 
their own businesses. 

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I will of course be interested 
to hear my viewers thoughts in 

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the comments section. 
International trade is a very 

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complex topic and a topic that 
affects the lives and 

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livelihoods of many people and 
we do have to keep that in mind.

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