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Hello mate. 
Hello again, how are you? 

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Not too bad, better than you 
from the sounds of things. 

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Sick as a dog mate, sick as a 
dog. 

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If anyone is going to hear me 
deep breathing or coughing I do 

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apologise. 
I. 

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Usually pay extra for that 
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Hey Thomas. 
Caught something, passed on to 

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the wife, wife gave it me and 
apparently I think I'm the 

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weakest of the three of us. 
Weakest link I. 

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Seem to be the one that's that's
suffering with it the most. 

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Lydia's poorly as well isn't. 
She she she's very under the 

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weather Yeah we the three days 
of just like temperatures in the

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30 nines early 40s and yeah just
antibiotics and yeah fully 

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she'll snap out of. 
It how does she react if she if 

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she like? 
Just she's just at first it was 

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quite nice. 
She went really quiet, as most 

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of us parents can appreciate. 
But now it's the case where, 

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yeah, I'd I'd like her to return
to being really, really loud in 

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the house and probably next week
I'll wish she was ill again. 

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Yeah, where's that flu gone? 
Yeah, yeah, it's half term next 

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week as well. 
Oh yes it is. 

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Yay everybody. 
Half. 

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Term for the time you. 
Hear this, it's probably already

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half term, yes. 
So we reached out to everybody 

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last week saying share. 
Share your horror stories. 

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Oh my God. 
On the back of the whole white 

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paper thing, we were like, 
actually, let's get out there of

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how shit things have been for 
you and the responsible local 

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authorities, and we got pretty 
decent response. 

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Geez, did we get a response to 
write a book on it? 

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So we're going to, we're going 
to go through those, but before 

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we do that. 
Yes. 

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We're going to talk about 
Merlin. 

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The wizard. 
No, not that one. 

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So everybody knows about this. 
It's been all over the place, 

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mainly in entertainment. 
Have decided to pull passes for 

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children with special 
educational needs because 

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apparently they can queue just 
like the rest of them. 

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Yeah, autism, ADHD no longer 
ultimately recognised as 

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qualifying conditions do. 
You know what? 

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What's really sad about this is.
That you have to queue to go on 

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the nemesis. 
Yeah, exactly. 

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It's this is like that one, that
one thing where it's joy. 

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It's like you, you get benefits 
that are like financial, you 

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know what I mean? 
You get all these kind of 

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support, but this is like about 
joy and happiness. 

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This is like that one thing, 
that one benefit that gave these

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children joy. 
And, and you can feel like your 

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peers, you can go on a ride and 
feel like your peers. 

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And, and obviously the 
difference was that you wouldn't

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have to queue as long as a 
neurotypical family, which made 

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sense. 
Yeah. 

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To us, anyway. 
And I never before Thomas 

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someone I've said before, we've 
talked about how like we were 

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quite ignorant to special 
educational needs. 

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Yeah, but as ignorant as I was, 
I never saw a person in the 

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queue, the disabled queue at all
towers and thought fucking hell,

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why, why why do they get to go 
in that? 

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I never thought that. 
I never thought, oh fucking 

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hell, wish I was disabled so I 
could fucking get in quicker. 

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Like, do you know what I mean? 
No, I was disabled so I could go

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on the Sonic Spin ball whizzer 
quicker than everyone else. 

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It doesn't slow things down that
much, does it? 

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If you're in the normal queue, 
let's be honest, it's, it's, 

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it's not going to slow it down 
that much. 

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Geez, but what's the plan there 
Is that everyone just has to pay

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for a fast track? 
If if you yeah, you pay for a 

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fast. 
Track or you may get a slight 

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discount. 
Or we used to like on on 

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occasion, if, if we, you know, 
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financially, we'd get fast 
track. 

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And essentially, I think that's 
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I've never actually had one. 
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because Thomas would love it. 
I mean, looks like he's not 

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going to get it, eh? 
But he he loves those kind of 

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rides. 
But we didn't want to take him 

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to the smaller stuff like this 
CBeebies land, wherever it's 

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called. 
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wouldn't have been. 
Enough for him. 

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We took Lydia about two years 
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Land. 
Yeah, did. 

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She love it. 
No, she. 

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Did autism. 
No, we thought because she she 

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loves Hey Dougie. 
We thought, you know what? 

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Let's let's get her there. 
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And they had a Hey Dougie 
section of CBeebies land and she

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was completely like out of it 
really. 

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Yeah, I think because we did the
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she was so unregulated being in 
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the entire night. 
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and yeah, she just like stood 
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Yeah. 
So I didn't didn't take it in. 

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But the good thing was though, 
we did take on a few of the 

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rides, you know, like the like 
on a boat that goes around a 

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little kind of stream, whatever 
it is, you know, we sat on there

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and did all those sort of 
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So we still did some activities 
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And the benefit was we were able
to go to customers relations, 

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whatever you want to call it, 
have pick up the pass and there 

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was no queuing. 
It was just like, Yep, on you 

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go, that's it. 
And the place was dead anyway 

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because it was February. 
But it was nice to know that 

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when we got there we wouldn't 
have to queue. 

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And I think that's really 
important is that we could just 

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go with the knowledge that if 
it's anything we want to go on 

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that she's really interested in,
we can go straight on it. 

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And I think a lot of people are 
saying now like a moon have come

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out, all people have said, Oh 
yeah, we'll go see customer 

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relations on the day and see 
what they can do for you. 

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But it's like, I'm going to 
spend the best part of how much 

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money to get a family in there. 
And then I'm going to know what 

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play the roulette wheel and see 
if you're going to help us out 

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or whether you're just going to 
say not today unfortunately, 

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because we've already got your 
money in your in. 

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You just have to queue up like 
everybody else. 

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But we will give you 10% off a 
burger. 

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So it's a difficult one. 
And again it comes out whilst 

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the white papers in the 
background. 

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There's a lot of things going on
in the press about send 

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families, and you just think to 
yourself, who's doing your 

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marketing? 
Merlin, yeah. 

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Why have you decided to do this 
right now? 

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Yeah, it's bizarre and I think 
they're trying to ride, 

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potentially ride on the wave of 
all the negative bullshit. 

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Have you seen some of the 
comments of parents? 

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Parents. 
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The the. 
Tossers. 

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The arseholes, yeah. 
The tossers, yeah. 

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Have you seen some of those 
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I've seen some of those 
comments, yeah. 

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So this is, I want to give him a
shout out. 

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Yeah. 
Brad, legit Brad. 

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He's he's got an autistic lad, 
he's got the the Bubble talk 

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book. 
Yeah, we did discuss getting you

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on at some point, mate. 
We we need to do it. 

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But there was it was brilliant. 
He answered it so well. 

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It was fucking, it was just bang
on. 

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Somebody said there and you know
when someone says I'm not being 

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funny, but but you've never been
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I'm not, I'm not racist, but. 
Yeah, I'm not racist. 

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Yeah, she said. 
Guys, just, I'm just wondering 

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for, like, the parents of, you 
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what did you do before the 
Merlin pass? 

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Yeah, so. 
And he just went, yeah, before 

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the Merlin pass. 
We all just stayed in our ages 

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with our kids getting strapped 
because there was nowhere to go.

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There was nothing to do. 
And it was brilliant because he 

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just kind of said that's what we
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Is that what you wanted to go 
back to? 

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Because what they weren't doing 
was standing in queues in Merlin

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because they couldn't do it. 
This isn't like I can cope, but 

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it'd be nice if I could just. 
Yeah, they can't cope. 

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It's not, it's not a neurodive 
first families using it as a 

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flex. 
No, but. 

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What did you do before the pass?
We didn't go yeah, because we 

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couldn't. 
And then Merlin will talk about 

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inclusivity and another kind of 
side project that they're doing 

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probably. 
Haven't they kind of started to 

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backtrack it a little bit and 
say. 

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It was just a fucking hope so 
and. 

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Say that they were just testing.
No, we're just testing the 

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waters. 
Testing the waters. 

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We didn't mean it. 
To test the waters could have 

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told you how that was going. 
To go April Fools, February 

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Fools. 
Well, it's, it's been massive 

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negative press, isn't it? 
And I think a lot of just same 

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families over the last 12 
months, just they're just sick 

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and tired of it, of being quiet 
and just putting up with shit. 

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So they're just like, well, if 
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Episode 28. 
Then you'll be treated like 1 

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and I think that's what people 
are are doing really. 

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It's getting a bit like when you
like white paper, all that, like

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policy reform, it is difficult 
to, you know, to reform a whole 

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system like that. 
Totally get it. 

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There's like, there's no fucking
excuse for nailing. 

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There's no excuse for this. 
It's just, it's just cruel. 

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Like wankers. 
There's absolute wankers. 

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Yeah, there's. 
What is the benefit? 

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Yeah, What is the benefit? 
The queue is already 

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established. 
It's there. 

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It's been working for many, many
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You've probably had someone 
coming, going, oh, let's look at

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the numbers. 
We can change it here and we can

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maximise profits by doing this 
way. 

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They don't look disabled. 
Yeah. 

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Why are they in the queue? 
They don't look disabled. 

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Well, you know what? 
When your chicken nugget sales 

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go down, yeah, exactly. 
You'll feel it. 

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Exactly. 
You'll feel it. 

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And then you'll come back and 
we'll have to think about. 

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It it's mental. 
So so that's been all over the 

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shop. 
So, but what we also did talk 

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about was some some stories. 
Yes. 

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Some stories and coincidentally 
you've got them all there as 

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well, haven't you mate? 
So I think if we just kind of 

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chip through them and I think 
we're probably going to find 

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some kind of consistent stories 
as we go through. 

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This themes coming up. 
Themes. 

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Exactly. 
So but then coincidentally, I 

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had a a WhatsApp message come 
through this morning with 

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somebody asking for help, right.
And I thought this is really 

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interesting, so I'll read this 
out. 

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She asked for help, said yeah, 
where you at? 

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Have you actually done anything?
Obviously I don't want to give 

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her advice if she's if she's 
already started doing stuff. 

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Thank you. 
I've done nothing but cry since 

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Friday so I appreciate your 
help. 

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So it hasn't been finalised 
until Friday. 

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I requested it to be changed. 
This is an EHCP which they've 

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denied me. 
I've got to wait until it's sent

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out Friday to actually call and 
then get an earlier review 

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meeting, gather as much evidence
as I can before going back to 

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the panel so that they can make 
a decision. 

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Does that sound right? 
Surely a document that was not 

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finalised could be amended 
before being finalised? 

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I'm struggling with it as I've 
never done any of this before. 

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Yeah, there's always a first 
time, and this is it. 

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Unfortunately, my son, my son's 
needs are so complex, right? 

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The son's needs, they're trying 
to put him in a mainstream 

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school. 
Right. 

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Autism global developmental 
delay. 2 years old mind he's 5. 

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We've already kept him back a 
year. 

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He has meltdowns due to poor 
communication. 

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He's non verbal. 
He has no danger awareness and 

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would elope He's spoon fed baby 
food and bottles because all he 

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will have. 
Sorry guys I'm got my glasses 

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on. 
He won't have any food. 

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It's a choking hazard. 
He's never chewed food. 

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He's got sensory via the mouth. 
Puts objects in the shouldn't 

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which also puts him at risk. 
Also in nappies. 

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Has no awareness of toilet 
training. 

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If that kid if that kid should 
be in a mainstream school, I'll 

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eat my own head. 
That's ridiculous that that's 

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not Thomas. 
I just, you know, I'd even work 

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for a local authority, but 
reading that, I'd be going, 

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goodness me, that's, that sounds
extremely difficult. 

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We need to find the right 
provision for this kid. 

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I wouldn't think I know what 
it'll suit him. 

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We'll stick him in a mainstream 
school. 

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Mental it's not. 
At five years old. 

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Mental. 
And this is the thing. 

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So I read that. 
I mean you. 

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I've got nothing to say because 
what can you say to that? 

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It's utter bullshit, utter 
bollocks. 

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That's not a send betweener. 
No, that's not. 

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That's not. 
A send betweener. 

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That's send. 
Yeah, that's profound send. 

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Yeah, that's specialist school 
all the way. 

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And again we say, we say it like
not a hard point about it. 

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As a teacher in that class, how 
are you prepared and trained to 

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cope with this? 
Yeah, I was talking to a mission

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about it, and I rather that a 
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why would teachers even want to 
carry on? 

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Working. 
And you know what? 

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Like 456 year olds, like someone
joins a class, they all want to 

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talk to them and and engage with
them and you've got this kid 

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that can't do that and then 
you've got to try and explain it

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to all the other children. 
Crazy. 

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Absolutely nuts. 
So man. 

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So obviously this is the first, 
this is the first kind of EHCP 

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draft, which she's obviously 
going to challenge. 

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I'm told her how to do that. 
Goodness me, she's not. 

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We've not mentioned the local 
authority on this one. 

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Well. 
So. 

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Because she's going through it, 
maybe it's wise to keep it. 

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Yeah, exactly. 
And we did, obviously. 

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We said if you want to tell us 
the local authority, we'll name 

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and shame them. 
Some of you have given us the 

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local authority, some of you 
haven't. 

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But doesn't really matter. 
I think, you know, we'll just 

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get an idea across the board of 
how much this system is failing 

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people. 
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Don't think it's going to matter
where you are in a country. 

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There's going to be stories like
this, isn't it? 

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Even in some of the best places.
So like I think we kind of say 

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that Shropshire has quite a good
reputation. 

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I still know these shit stories 
from. 

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Shropshire Oh goodness, we hear 
it all the time that we hear it 

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all the time. 
But that's that's crazy. 

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But let's I'll, I'll read the 
next one then. 

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And I've not read all of these 
so they may come as a bit of a a

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shock to me whilst I'm reading 
them. 

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So Leo aged 8 and we can name it
the local Devon County Council 

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Big up Devon big. 
So Leo is 8 years old, has 

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complex special education needs 
and EHCP was issued for him in 

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October. 
Months later, he still has no 

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education. 
After the HCP was finalised, 

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Down County Council repeatedly 
assured the family that 

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alternative provisions were 
being arranged. 

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A setting was prepared. 
Staff were identified. 

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The plan was explained directly 
to Leo so he could understand 

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what was coming and feel safe. 
He was told where he would go 

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and who would be there. 
Then, without warning or 

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explanation, the provision was 
withdrawn. 

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There was no written reason, no 
replacement plan and no 

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timeline. 
Leo now keeps asking when he can

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go to school. 
He wants to go. 

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Each time he's prepared and they
let him down, his distress 

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increases. 
Social workers involved with the

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family have raised safeguarding 
concerns about the impact this 

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delays having on his mental 
health and well-being. 

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Despite A lawful EHCP being in 
place, Leo remains at home 

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without an education. 
Pick up Devin do. 

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You know, you just all right, I 
don't know the the full 

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incident. 
Obviously we've got this here. 

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I don't know. 
The full And to be fair, I've 

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had to. 
I've had to. 

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Condense it down. 
Yeah, absolutely. 

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Because I've seen some of the 
emails. 

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Because they were big. 
There's a lot of lengthy emails 

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that have come through, but this
is, this is another thing, isn't

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it? 
You know, it's all very well 

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putting something into into 
place and we know sometimes 

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things change or or anything, 
you know, plans do change. 

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But you would think there would 
be a duty of care from that 

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local authority to explain fully
why this has happened and ensure

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that this younger Leo is top of 
the list to get something 

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arranged as soon as possible. 
And he wants to go to school. 

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Yeah. 
That's what I said to Nick 

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Ferrari the other day on LBC. 
It's like the parents are trying

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to get the kids to go. 
The kids want to go. 

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This isn't like skiving kids, 
no. 

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And parents that just don't see 
it, like for the most part, the 

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parents want to go and the kids 
want to go. 

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And here they've said to Leo, 
yeah, yeah, you sort it, you're 

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going to. 
Go and these are the people that

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you're going to meet. 
Yeah, exactly. 

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This is the and this is just 
ridiculous. 

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It's, it's bonkers. 
I mean, we'll keep seeing it as 

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we go through, but a lot of this
is, and This is why I think EHCP

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is going to stop changing 
because the issue they've got is

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EHCPS are saying this child 
needs XYZ, but then the local 

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authority can't provide XYZ. 
So there's a mismatch. 

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Which Which is then where we go 
down the legal route? 

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Exactly. 
And and legally, if the EHC pet 

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thinks Section 19, if it's 
that's the right to education, 

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if if you say my child needs to 
be in a specialist setting, go 

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find one. 
Yeah, it's not. 

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Go find one. 
It's not on me. 

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You need to. 
It's your duty to find one. 

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But if there isn't one there, 
This is why we need more 

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specialist goals. 
And This is why, as you say, if 

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they remove the EHCP and the 
legal safeguarding, then it's 

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just like, but you can't take 
the local authority anywhere. 

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We've done our our best. 
Unfortunately, that's the 

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procedure. 
Yeah, as long as we follow the 

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procedure, you can't take us to 
any tribunal. 

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And this is any of annoying 
thing because you you get a lot 

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of silly headlines in the press 
or you'll see them on social 

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media about parents just taking 
their kids out of education. 

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Like it's they're deliberately 
doing it to make a point. 

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And that just feeds into stuff 
like the fucking idiots that you

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get who go like, Oh yeah, you 
just want a label or you're just

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like milk in the system or then 
Merlin come out with these sort 

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of policies. 
We love our kids with all our 

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hearts. 
On what fucking planet do we 

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want to spend seven days a week 
with them? 

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Because no one else can have 
them seven days a week with 

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them. 
So we're going to home educate 

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for five days because we just 
want to have them at home 

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because, you know, yeah. 
Just for the crack. 

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Like you don't get any money for
it, so. 

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Oh, do you? 
Do you get any money for home 

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Home educating? 
I don't think you do. 

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Yeah, I don't think so. 
I think the most you get is 

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maybe Carrie's allowance, but 
you get that anyway. 

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Yeah, but that's £89 a week. 
Boom. 3. 

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Pounds an hour? 
Yeah, it's something ridiculous.

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Absolutely. 
Nuts. 

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So there are absolutely loads of
these. 

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I mean I'll keep going and we 
maybe skip skip through some 

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others so haven't got a name 
here. 

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Non verbal twin girl aged 5. 
We haven't got the local 

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authority. 5 year old girl, non 
verbal. 

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Severe learning disability. 
She's still in nappies and has 

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significant safety needs. 
Despite this, she was placed in 

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mainstream school alongside her 
neurotypical twin brother from 

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the H set. 
Serious risks emerge. 

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Shock. 
She wandered from class, her 

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nappies were not changed, she 
was found eating stones outside 

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and family repeatedly raised 
concerns. 

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An urgent EHCP review was 
requested at a meeting with a 

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senior cent staff this local. 
The council acknowledged that 

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the EHCP contained serious 
errors. 

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Well, at least they admitted it.
Incorrect needs, incorrect 

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developmental age and missing 
sections. 

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The family were explicitly told 
these would be amended. 

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Days later, e-mail arrived 
stating that no amendments would

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be made. 
OK. 

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At a subsequent meeting, the SN 
officer denied promising changes

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when the grandmother stated the 
previous meetings had been 

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recorded. 
The officer claimed recording 

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was unlawful, misquoted the SN 
Code of Practise, and then 

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reversed position agreeing to 
amend the EHCP and reconsider 

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specialist provision. 
Nothing about the child has 

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changed, only the family's 
ability to prove that it had 

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been said so The only reason 
that child got what they needed 

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was because they recorded. 
The conversation the. 

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Conversation without their 
knowledge? 

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That's disgusting. 
Do you know what if if you're 

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having conversations with send 
officers or local authorities, 

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get your phone, There's a 
dictaphone in it, Just press 

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record. 
Yeah, don't tell them. 

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Don't tell them. 
Just have it. 

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And then you can take the 
transcript from that recording. 

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And you can just, yeah, send 
them the transcript and say, 

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well, you said all this, but, 
you know, there's so many things

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wrong with this. 
The first part is this is a girl

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that sounds like Lydia. 
The learning disabilities, 

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nappies, safety issues, putting 
things, eating things that she's

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not supposed to or placing, you 
know, things that aren't food in

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their mouth. 
Just having this take place. 

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I I don't know what I'm most 
upset about. 

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For me it might be the nappies 
not being changed. 

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I think that's just undignified.
Yeah, it's. 

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OK, Do you know what I mean? 
We go on about like care homes 

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for the elderly and if they've 
soiled themselves and they 

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haven't been changed and people 
go absolutely nuts when they 

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find that out and go, how dare 
you treat the elderly like that?

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This is a child in exactly the 
same position. 

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And it's being left. 
And again, is it on the school? 

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I don't know. 
It's on the local authority 

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definitely to, to ensure there's
somebody there to, to look after

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that. 
And then the second part is just

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absolute bullshit, isn't it? 
Just offering the help and 

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saying we'll get things 
rectified. 

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I mean, for God's sake, I can 
have an EACP with missing 

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sections in it, incorrect 
developmental age in it, and 

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then deny it and say you're not 
going to make any amendments. 

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I mean, as as bad as it is, all 
those mistakes that they 

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admitted making, you could go, 
OK, all right, You're fucked up 

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really bad. 
Yeah. 

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Thanks for thanks for admitting 
it. 

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Thanks for rectifying it. 
Make it right. 

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Lying under the sand, let's move
forward. 

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But then to go, no, I never said
it. 

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I never said that actually 
fucking recorded it. 

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Bell end. 
I love that. 

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I love that they recorded that. 
To the extent that families have

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to go to to get their kids an 
education. 

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Crazy. 
It's not. 

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And this is that trust thing. 
You know when you said it early 

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on in the journey, you just 
trust that. 

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Everyone you trust, everyone's 
got the best interest in, no. 

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You just can't. 
Do you know if you don't want to

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do the fucking job? 
You've got to record 

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conversations. 
But if you work, this is the 

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other thing though, I know they 
get a lot of shit and there's a 

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lot of pressure on on those 
people that work for local 

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authorities and everything else 
like that. 

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And they're do you know what? 
There's probably 8090% of people

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out there who you're trying 
their absolute best to get 

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things done. 
If you're in that 10%, you're 

455
00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:44,440
just doing it because it's a 
job. 

456
00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:45,800
Fuck off. 
Yeah, fuck off. 

457
00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:48,560
You'd be better off without you 
just it's more efficient. 

458
00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:50,120
You know, go get a different 
job. 

459
00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:52,520
This isn't the job for you if 
you're going to be that person 

460
00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:57,320
that is going to stand in a way,
deny things and just see kids as

461
00:21:57,320 --> 00:21:59,640
a number or statistic. 
I mean, ultimately what's 

462
00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:02,120
happened there is someone's 
fucked up, and by admitting 

463
00:22:02,120 --> 00:22:04,400
they'd fucked up, they're 
worried about getting in the 

464
00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:05,480
shit. 
Good. 

465
00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:07,160
Yeah, that's what they've done, 
haven't they? 

466
00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:09,200
Oh, when and when they said 
actually we've recorded it. 

467
00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:10,960
Oh God, I'd love to have seen 
their face. 

468
00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:12,240
I. 
Would have loved it as well. 

469
00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:15,320
I would have said I've sent you 
a copy and I've sent one to the 

470
00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:17,280
local newspaper as well. 
Amazing. 

471
00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:20,240
Let's see who opens it first. 
I'm glad we're doing this. 

472
00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:22,680
I'm glad we're doing this. 
This is great timing. 

473
00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:23,920
Yeah, right. 
And. 

474
00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:26,440
I hope there's some people in 
the in the government listening 

475
00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:28,160
to this as well and maybe it's 
too late. 

476
00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:33,120
You know who we know? 
We know, we know, but. 

477
00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:38,800
On a serious note, sometimes the
people in power, they're 

478
00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:41,120
ignorant, and I don't mean that 
in a shitty way. 

479
00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:43,400
They shouldn't be ignorant 
because the place, the position 

480
00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:44,840
they're in. 
But if people are ignorant of 

481
00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:48,240
the stories that people have, 
you need to, you need to 

482
00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:50,080
actually ask. 
You need to get around. 

483
00:22:50,120 --> 00:22:53,040
It's a difficult one as well. 
Is it like you have you have 

484
00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:54,400
people around you and everything
else like that? 

485
00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:57,600
But if you're the people that 
have access to you, if they're 

486
00:22:57,600 --> 00:23:02,320
only given a certain narrative 
or a watered down version of 

487
00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:04,760
what's going out there, then you
will kind of take that as 

488
00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:07,400
gospel. 
But if you've got like parents 

489
00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:10,120
just constantly saying this is 
happening, this is happening, 

490
00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:14,520
then hopefully it it it does, it
does get through. 

491
00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:17,640
But let's look at the next one, 
a slightly older kid. 

492
00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:19,080
Yeah. 
Another thing I want to say, and

493
00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:21,960
I keep saying this to everybody 
I talk to, I think it's really 

494
00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:24,120
important and it's so difficult.
I get it, guys. 

495
00:23:24,120 --> 00:23:27,440
It's so difficult because it's 
an emotionally charged subject. 

496
00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:30,720
When you're sharing these 
stories with people that are 

497
00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:33,760
decision makers, try your 
hardest to remove the emotion 

498
00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:36,920
out of it. 
Try to try to get the emotion 

499
00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:37,560
out. 
Just be. 

500
00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:41,640
Facts. 
Factual to the point, because 

501
00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:44,280
once emotion gets mixed in 
there, it makes it very 

502
00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:49,400
difficult for you and for them 
if you can just basically write 

503
00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:51,200
these letters like you're the 
solicitor. 

504
00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:53,280
Yeah, I'm trying to think back 
to our letters. 

505
00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:57,240
I think my letters, I wrote 
reversion to our local authority

506
00:23:57,800 --> 00:24:00,520
and I had to reread it a couple 
of times because it was quite 

507
00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:05,480
emotional and I was and I was 
pissed off and I took some time 

508
00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:08,280
out and I realised I need to get
this personal side. 

509
00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:12,400
So it's very much opening it 
with, I appreciate the hard work

510
00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:14,200
that you're doing for me and my 
daughter. 

511
00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:18,800
I really do appreciate you 
working with us as a family. 

512
00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:21,000
That sort of language there. 
And it worked. 

513
00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:25,560
Maybe because they do get 
hundreds of emails which are 

514
00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:29,240
like, you're a bit of a twat. 
Yeah, I don't like you. 

515
00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:32,080
Like it a lot when you get a 
shit load of emails and a shit 

516
00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:34,640
load of letters, Yeah, if you're
getting abuse in some letters 

517
00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:37,160
and you're getting people doing 
what you did, yeah, which you're

518
00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:38,320
right A. 
Little bit of like. 

519
00:24:38,360 --> 00:24:39,760
Thanks. 
A little bit of bullshit, yeah, 

520
00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:42,240
but you're going to respond 
better to those. 

521
00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:43,640
People, yeah. 
And again, it goes back to not 

522
00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:47,000
all people working the like I 
say the vast majority are trying

523
00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:49,440
to do a job because you wouldn't
go into that in the 1st place 

524
00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:51,160
and you know, I probably 
wouldn't want to do a job where 

525
00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:52,800
I'm constantly bombarded with 
stuff. 

526
00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:58,240
So yeah, anyway. 
Right, I love this boy, age 14, 

527
00:24:58,360 --> 00:25:00,760
Birmingham City Council Hello 
Brom. 

528
00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:02,760
Right. 
This young person struggled 

529
00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:06,280
throughout mainstream primary 
education after the tribunal and

530
00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:08,520
I noticed on all the odd videos 
I was saying tribunal. 

531
00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:10,280
Tribunal. 
Irritates the shit out of me 

532
00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:12,280
now. 
An independent specialist school

533
00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:15,400
was secured. 
The placement was chaotic. 

534
00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:17,960
Attendance deteriorated. 
The head teacher raised concerns

535
00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:21,600
about mental health. 
A satellite provision was opened

536
00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:25,000
for 8 pupils. 
He moved there in year 8, in 

537
00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:27,120
year 9. 
Even then, attendance reduced to

538
00:25:27,120 --> 00:25:29,320
1 morning a week in the final 
year. 

539
00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:34,080
Final term of Year 9, he told 
his parents he would rather be 

540
00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:36,480
dead than attend school. 
This is like that thing you. 

541
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:39,000
Were talking about. 
Yeah, with professional 

542
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:42,240
agreement he was. 
He was not deregistered. 

543
00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:45,320
An annual review concluded, and 
no school could meet his needs. 

544
00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:47,680
Educational psychologists, 
teachers and therapists all 

545
00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:50,920
recommended education otherwise 
than at school. 

546
00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:55,040
That evidence was submitted to 
Birmingham City Council in July.

547
00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:58,120
Seven months later, the EHCP 
remains in draft. 

548
00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:03,720
How the council The council 
continues to consult unsuitable 

549
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:06,680
schools, including a mainstream 
primary. 

550
00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:08,200
Is that right? 
Yeah, I'll finish. 

551
00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:12,160
Despite the child being 14 and 
traumatised during that time he 

552
00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:14,120
has received no education, no 
therapies. 

553
00:26:14,120 --> 00:26:17,120
His family, living on a single 
nursing salary, are paying 

554
00:26:17,120 --> 00:26:19,840
privately to try and stabilise 
his mental health while the 

555
00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:25,000
process drags on. 
Now, I don't want to be a bit of

556
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:28,520
a cynic here, but seven months 
later, the EHCP remains in 

557
00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:30,320
draft. 
Is it in draft? 

558
00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:35,600
Because they're going to edit 
the EHCP based on what they 

559
00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:38,120
managed to secure. 
Do you know what I mean? 

560
00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:41,480
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. 
Because EHCP remains in draft 

561
00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:44,600
but the council continues to 
consult unsuitable schools. 

562
00:26:45,120 --> 00:26:50,120
Why would you consult unsuitable
skill schools if you don't have 

563
00:26:50,120 --> 00:26:53,280
the guidance of an EHCPII would 
come to the same conclusion that

564
00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:56,280
you've just come to is that 
they're going fuck. 

565
00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:58,280
We just need to find somewhere. 
When we find somewhere, we'll 

566
00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:01,160
just fill in the blanks on the 
ECP to justify why we put in. 

567
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:03,680
There you would just have the 
ECP done and then that's what 

568
00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:05,920
you're using to to to base the 
educational. 

569
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:09,240
Needs and the child's already 
year 9, which means. 

570
00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:11,920
He's already 14. 
Yeah, they've got two years left

571
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:16,680
before they leave senior school,
or should be leaving senior 

572
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:20,560
school with their peers. 
And then, then my other part of 

573
00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:22,320
my head goes, we'll just run the
clock down. 

574
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:24,200
Yeah, because it'll save money. 
Yeah. 

575
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:27,360
So yes, seven months later, the 
HTP remains in draft. 

576
00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:29,480
We've got something, but it's 
going to be the start of year 

577
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:30,800
10, yeah. 
Summer old it is. 

578
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:34,520
Yeah, yeah, we've saved 
ourselves XY and Z by doing 

579
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:36,160
this, Yeah. 
And we know what Birmingham City

580
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:38,200
Council are up to at the. 
Moment you're 11, is he going to

581
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:40,160
do GCSE? 
I don't know, but Birmingham 

582
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:41,960
City Council is one of the 
counters that's absolutely 

583
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:44,960
screwed because their their 
their funding and budgets were 

584
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:46,640
mismanaged. 
Birming this. 

585
00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:48,640
Yeah, I believe so. 
Fantastic. 

586
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:53,000
So I'm fairly certain there's 
going to be more cases like that

587
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:56,400
out there what we got here now. 
Spencer. 

588
00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:58,600
Preschool local authority 
withheld. 

589
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:02,720
Spencer is a preschool child 
with clear autistic traits and 

590
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:07,640
significant vulnerabilities. 
He has echolalia, developmental 

591
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:11,240
delay, feeding difficulties, and
is a flight risk. 

592
00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:15,440
His draft EACP uses vague 
wording such as access to 

593
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:18,800
support bollocks and 
opportunities for regulation. 

594
00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:22,800
Specialist provision was 
dismissed as unavailable before 

595
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:24,680
meaningful consultation took 
place. 

596
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:29,520
Specialist provision was 
dismissed as unavailable before 

597
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:31,480
even having a fucking 
conversation about it. 

598
00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:36,320
Instead, mainstream schools were
proposed barely based purely on 

599
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:38,720
distance. 
We don't want to spend any more 

600
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:41,680
money on taxis. 
Risks are acknowledged in 

601
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:43,520
paperwork but not planned for. 
In practise. 

602
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:46,640
There is no detail about how 
Spencer would be kept safe in a 

603
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:51,280
busy mainstream environment. 
No suitable placement has been 

604
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:53,760
secured. 
Horseshit. 

605
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:56,760
Access to support opportunities 
for regulation. 

606
00:28:56,840 --> 00:29:04,720
It's so vague if I if I was 
applying for DLA and put wishy 

607
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:07,040
washy language in that it would 
just get kicked back straight 

608
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:09,680
away. 
Yeah, flip the script. 

609
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:13,560
It's absolutely fine. 
Specialist provision was 

610
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:16,000
dismissed as unavailable. 
Before they even had a 

611
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:17,760
consultation. 
So and so. 

612
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:19,680
What's what's the point of 
having a consultation with the 

613
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:21,000
parents? 
Then you might just tell us what

614
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:25,800
you're going to do. 
Yeah, so essentially they're 

615
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:29,240
saying there aren't any 
specialist schools here, so that

616
00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:33,400
ain't going to happen. 
Hey, Davey keeps pushing for 

617
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:35,720
more specialist schools. 
Yeah, it does. 

618
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:37,960
Got a lot of time for David at 
the moment saying saying a lot 

619
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:40,720
of good stuff. 
Carries on like that, it might 

620
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:45,680
be getting my votes, I know. 
Again, draughty HCPS. 

621
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:49,080
Yeah, just just keep everything 
in draft. 

622
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:51,360
This is the other thing that 
pisses me off as well, is like 

623
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:55,760
there is a time frame that it's 
all supposed to be started 

624
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:59,000
completed within but nobody 
gives a shit. 

625
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:00,920
No. 
So again, so that's the whole, 

626
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:05,280
you know, are we going to have a
legal right to is it, is there 

627
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:06,840
going to be legal framework 
around this? 

628
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:09,600
Well, we don't want now, but no 
one tells you we can't now, so. 

629
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:12,000
What they should do is it's 
America, isn't it, where there's

630
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:14,560
an independent body that sits 
between the education 

631
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:17,200
authorities or the local 
authority, You know, they're 

632
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:18,840
equivalent with local 
authorities and the parents. 

633
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:21,760
And it's like, well, once it's 
agreed, if you don't follow it 

634
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:25,800
and the local authorities fined 
and it's passed on to the 

635
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:29,480
parents, isn't it? 
Yeah, it's. 

636
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:33,280
Man, there'd be a lot of parents
getting some money if that was 

637
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:34,960
the case. 
Oh my God, can you? 

638
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:37,320
Well, I think that's part of the
reason they want to, because 

639
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:39,560
it's kind of equivalent to 
tribunals, isn't it? 

640
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:43,120
Is is the parents are winning 
too many tribunals? 

641
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:45,560
There's too many HCPS and 
parents are winning too many. 

642
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:47,520
Obviously, that's not my 
opinion. 

643
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:51,600
That's their opinion. 
And they're winning nearly all 

644
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:53,800
of the tribunals. 
Payouts. 

645
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:56,480
Exactly which is costing them a 
fortune. 

646
00:30:57,840 --> 00:30:59,320
Oh yeah, Otis. 
Do your job. 

647
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:04,000
Exactly, Otis age 5. 
Bournemouth, Christchurch and 

648
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:06,440
Poole council. 
Otis is autistic with suspected 

649
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:08,840
ADHD. 
His EHCP names specialist 

650
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:11,120
provision. 
No specialist places are 

651
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:13,720
available. 
Otis remains in preschool 

652
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:17,880
despite being beyond compulsory 
school age tribunal proceedings 

653
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:20,560
are under way but no school is 
confirmed it can meet his needs.

654
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:24,400
The only reason Otis has any 
education at all is because his 

655
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:26,400
preschool has agreed to keep him
temporarily. 

656
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:30,080
This is not sustainable. 
As September approaches, his 

657
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:33,280
family faces the possibility 
that he will miss an entire year

658
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:37,280
of education. 
Yeah, props to not preschool. 

659
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:41,040
We had we had it with Thomas. 
They were fantastic. 

660
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:42,760
They worked with us. 
They spent a bit of time with 

661
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:45,240
Thomas and went, yeah, this kid 
ain't going to mainstream. 

662
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:48,880
But they were, they were 
amazing. 

663
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:51,920
They they worked with us to 
obviously use all of that as as 

664
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:53,560
evidence. 
And it seems that's kind of what

665
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:55,800
these guys are doing here, which
is fair play to him. 

666
00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:59,680
But like I said, it's not 
sustainable. 

667
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:02,000
They can't stay there. 
Yeah, there comes a point where 

668
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:05,480
you just like there's an issue 
with specialist places. 

669
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:07,280
Yeah. 
And I know like it's very, very 

670
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:11,320
simplistic terms for all of us 
to go just build more schools. 

671
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:14,800
Yeah, all right. 
It's very simplistic terms. 

672
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:16,880
But there must come a point 
where you look at the figures 

673
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:20,680
and go, actually it might cost 
us more to build the schools, 

674
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:22,520
but it would have paid for 
itself. 

675
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:24,840
Very quickly. 
Very, very quickly. 

676
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:28,280
And then we've still got these 
stupid projects that no one 

677
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:31,320
gives a shit about, which is, 
you know, there's so much money 

678
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:35,760
for that, that stupid train, 
God. 

679
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:38,280
God there. 
What's it called? 

680
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:39,600
God, they spent. 
Absolutely. 

681
00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:41,280
Billions. 
Sane billions you're. 

682
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:43,160
Like, way more billions than. 
That we thought it's going to 

683
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:44,600
cost this. 
It's like, no, it's three times 

684
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:46,840
or whatever it is. 
And no one wants it. 

685
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:48,840
No one cares. 
No one cares, no one gives you 

686
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:51,080
shit because there's already a 
train line from Manchester to 

687
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:52,800
London. 
Yeah, we go to London Enough. 

688
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:55,040
Yeah, it's fine. 
It's it's no different at all. 

689
00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:56,480
But we can shave 20 minutes off 
it. 

690
00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:58,520
Yeah, but it's taken you 20 
years to even. 

691
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:00,280
Yeah. 
And it's cost billions upon 

692
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:01,120
billions. 
Crazy. 

693
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:03,880
Almost makes you wonder if 
there's some little dodgy 

694
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:06,480
backhand. 
I'm fairly certain none of that 

695
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:10,600
takes place, so absolutely not. 
Does anybody any specialist 

696
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:12,120
equipment during the next COVID 
outbreak? 

697
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:14,120
Yeah, Yeah, let me know. 
I know a guy down a pub who's 

698
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:15,720
going to start a business. 
Exactly. 

699
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:20,000
So yeah, and that's whatever 
takes the shit out of me is we 

700
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:23,040
seem to find money for one thing
and not. 

701
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:26,560
Fair. 
It goes back to, yeah, disabled 

702
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:29,640
children just being a bad return
on investment. 

703
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:32,720
And I don't give a shit what any
politician says. 

704
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:36,800
It's clearly the evidence speaks
louder than what comes out of 

705
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:37,680
their mouth. 
Yeah, yeah. 

706
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:40,880
The policies they're bringing 
out just says you guys aren't 

707
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:42,720
going to pay into the system. 
You're just a drain on it. 

708
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:47,720
We need to like curb that that 
drainage of money so we can 

709
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:51,040
spend it on something else which
no one gives a shit about. 

710
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:53,640
And what's really sad is 
actually if you put a lot of 

711
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:56,800
these kids in the right 
provision, you don't need to 

712
00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:59,680
write them off. 
No, we've we've seen the success

713
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:01,320
stories. 
Thomas's school, Yes. 

714
00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:02,600
It's a specialist school. 
Yes. 

715
00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:05,120
When you walk around, you go. 
When you first time, you walk 

716
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:07,400
around and you're like, whoa, 
why is my kid going to this 

717
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:09,159
school? 
Yes, you do think that you get 

718
00:34:09,159 --> 00:34:11,560
over that very quickly. 
But then when you walk around, 

719
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:14,440
you see those kids there doing 
their GCS, ES and then they go 

720
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:19,000
on to college. 
So you don't need to write these

721
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:21,199
kids off just because they've 
got special educational needs. 

722
00:34:21,199 --> 00:34:25,120
No, we don't know what they're 
capable of, but guarantee 

723
00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:26,840
they're capable of a lot more 
than you fucking think. 

724
00:34:27,159 --> 00:34:28,840
Yeah. 
If you write them off at this 

725
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:30,840
age, Jesus, give them. 
At least give them a chance. 

726
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:31,920
I've been guilty of it. 
You've been guilty. 

727
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:32,920
You've done it with their own 
kids. 

728
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:35,560
Very quickly start going OK, I'm
going to stop doing that now 

729
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:39,679
because this gets surprising. 
Me, yeah, just give them a leg 

730
00:34:39,679 --> 00:34:40,800
up. 
Yeah, stop. 

731
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:44,159
Just just already saying they're
going to be a drain. 

732
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:47,400
Yeah, but I, I, and we talk 
about, you know, white paper and

733
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:49,280
all that. 
I, I genuinely, and I especially

734
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:50,560
have to read in a lot of these 
stories. 

735
00:34:52,159 --> 00:34:54,000
I can't see a way around it 
apart from more specialist 

736
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:55,840
schools. 
No, there isn't. 

737
00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:57,600
There is. 
No, we just need more specialist

738
00:34:57,600 --> 00:34:59,000
schools. 
But we're going to do a lot 

739
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:00,600
more. 
Yeah, we're just, we're just 

740
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:02,880
going to carry on digging about 
until we come to that decision, 

741
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:05,360
by which time there's another 
generation of kids that are 

742
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:05,960
screwed. 
Exactly. 

743
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:07,040
We're going to start fucking 
about with. 

744
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:08,480
Oh, wait a minute. 
We have string schools and we've

745
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:09,800
got the money for the prisons. 
Yeah. 

746
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:11,000
Oh, we'll just build more 
prisons. 

747
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:12,360
Oh, that. 
That makes complete sense. 

748
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:13,480
Yeah. 
Why not just target it at the 

749
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:15,360
start? 
Yeah, rather than at the end. 

750
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:18,480
Yeah, yeah, it's nuts. 
Yeah, it's crazy. 

751
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:20,640
Way out now. 
Wigan. 

752
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:25,520
Wigan. 
Wigan Council boy aged 11. 

753
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:30,160
So this child experienced years 
of bullying and school based 

754
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:32,760
trauma. 
His anxiety escalated to the 

755
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:36,880
point that the school was unsafe
when his parents removed him to 

756
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:39,760
protect him. 
The school reported the family 

757
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:43,440
to social services for neglect. 
The safeguarding case was closed

758
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:47,760
with no concerns. 
Despite this, no alternative 

759
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:50,360
education was arranged. 
This child was removed from 

760
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:53,160
school roll without parental 
consent. 

761
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:55,960
Section 19 duties were not 
applied. 

762
00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:59,320
This child has spoken about 
wanting to end his life. 

763
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:02,520
He is now terrified of other 
children and of leaving the 

764
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:05,360
house. 
His parent is fighting EHCP 

765
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:09,680
delays, safeguarding misuse and 
unlawful school removal 

766
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:12,440
simultaneously. 
Yeah, like the local authority 

767
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:13,880
were quick to jump on it when 
they thought it was a 

768
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:16,840
safeguarding issue, but then 
when they realised there wasn't.

769
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:21,960
Yeah, maybe. 
Maybe we're the bad guys. 

770
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:25,200
Oh, maybe no. 
Maybe we fucked up and that's 

771
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:26,200
it. 
No support after that. 

772
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:29,480
This is, this is like a bit as 
soon as you run, right? 

773
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:30,280
That's it. 
Yeah. 

774
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:32,040
We can't do any more now. 
It's not our problem. 

775
00:36:34,720 --> 00:36:37,840
It's just. 
And there's so many families 

776
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:40,240
going through this year. 
This is this is case number six 

777
00:36:40,240 --> 00:36:42,120
that we've read. 
There's already two children 

778
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:43,760
that are spoken about wanting to
end their lives. 

779
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:49,080
Yeah, yeah. 33% so far. 
It's unlike what child thinks 

780
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:51,760
like. 
The own life that just at that 

781
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:54,720
age to think the only I, I can't
cope with this anymore. 

782
00:36:54,720 --> 00:36:58,280
I just don't want to be here. 
Yeah, you just can't even like, 

783
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:01,280
think when you were that age, 
like everything was amazing, 

784
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:04,560
everything was fun. 
Like the worst thing you had to 

785
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:07,280
do was go to school, but even 
then you were with your mates 

786
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:08,800
for six hours. 
It was meant. 

787
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:13,320
It's, we said this on the last 
podcast and I said I hope there 

788
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:15,440
aren't politicians that are 
listening to this because you 

789
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:19,240
are going to get more children 
that will think about it's 

790
00:37:19,240 --> 00:37:22,680
better to not be here anymore 
because I can't, I'm not getting

791
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:24,320
the support, the provisions I 
need. 

792
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:27,240
And there'll be some kids that 
are in tune that they can see 

793
00:37:27,240 --> 00:37:30,440
how stressed out their parents 
are and it may even go through 

794
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:32,160
the headset. 
The only way I can make mum and 

795
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:34,320
Dad feel better not to be here. 
100%. 

796
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:38,680
And then 100% they'll do 
something horrible and I hope it

797
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:41,000
never happens and then you'll 
have the knock on effect for 

798
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:42,920
that family for the siblings as 
well. 

799
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:45,520
And those a guarantee if that 
ever happens, those parents will

800
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:48,800
blame themselves and say I wish 
I would fought harder, I could 

801
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:51,200
have done more and it's not on 
them. 

802
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:54,120
No, of course it's not. 
And then you get people that can

803
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:57,600
just sign up on a Friday at 5:00
PM, go home, it's not my 

804
00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:00,000
problem. 
I know it's my and that's the 

805
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:02,480
thing, isn't it? 
So like, what's crazy? 

806
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:06,080
Like what I do for work? 
I, I work, I work Mondays to 

807
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:10,000
Friday, but because I work on 
accounts that are selling goods 

808
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:13,720
every day of the week. 
So although I don't have to work

809
00:38:13,720 --> 00:38:17,800
seven days a week, I'm there. 
I'm kind of this shit is way 

810
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:21,280
more important than what I do. 
There should be someone seven 

811
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:25,240
days a week, seven days a week, 
24 hours a day, like there 

812
00:38:25,240 --> 00:38:28,360
should be someone there. 
I understand that's a pipe 

813
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:30,120
dream. 
I understand how expensive that 

814
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:32,320
would be, but that is what it 
should be like. 

815
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:35,200
No, the the again, it would just
be signposted to a charity, 

816
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:35,920
Yeah. 
Exactly. 

817
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:37,240
I know we've, we've done our 
bit. 

818
00:38:37,240 --> 00:38:40,400
We've we've signposted you to 
this charity that can that can 

819
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:43,000
help you. 
Yeah, great. 

820
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:45,400
And the other thing you said 
about food banks being normal of

821
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:46,960
a sudden? 
It's just no a food bank in the 

822
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:48,320
in the different guise, isn't 
it? 

823
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:51,320
Food banks used to be like, Oh 
my God, a food bank. 

824
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:54,640
Now they're like, hey, it's my 
food bank and they're like open 

825
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:56,400
a new food bank. 
Do you remember growing up in 

826
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:58,360
the 80s, like when it was the 
Soviet Union and they're just 

827
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:01,480
like, this is Romania and the, 
or this is Moscow and there'd 

828
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:03,200
just be people queuing up to get
bread. 

829
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:05,920
Yeah, stuff like that. 
We and I remember in the 80s 

830
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:07,680
looking like going, Oh my God, 
there's poor people. 

831
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:09,720
Can you imagine living in a 
society where you have to queue 

832
00:39:09,720 --> 00:39:12,400
up with with stamps or something
to get your food or we've? 

833
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:16,480
Sleepwalked our way into that. 
And, and now we accept it as 

834
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:18,480
being normal. 
And then we, we have politicians

835
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:21,800
there for photo opportunities, 
this community food bank. 

836
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:22,920
Amazing. 
Well done. 

837
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:25,720
Yeah, it's just like, and then 
they'll piss off in their car. 

838
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:28,040
And I've said it before, if 
you're one of these politicians 

839
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:31,080
that is is wants to have a go at
these kind of kids and put this 

840
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:34,360
reform in and chat shit about 
taxis and how much everything is

841
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:37,480
costing. 
When it comes to children, we're

842
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:39,760
talking to you. 
When it comes to children in 

843
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:42,960
need, don't don't turn up for 
the photo shoot. 

844
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:44,280
Yeah, I don't bother. 
Don't bother. 

845
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:46,880
Just don't bother. 
Just fuck off. 

846
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:48,640
Yeah, don't bother. 
Just fuck off. 

847
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:52,480
Right #7 is this the wrong one? 
Number seven, yeah. 

848
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:54,200
On roll. 
Child has been out of school for

849
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:57,840
months. 
Council states he's no council. 

850
00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:01,160
State has no duty to provide 
education because the school 

851
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:03,920
remains technically on the 
school roll. 

852
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:05,760
The child remains, technically. 
On the technically on the school

853
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:08,040
roll, no alternative provision 
has been arranged. 

854
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:10,680
The child has been left to 
provide full time care. 

855
00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:13,320
The parent has been left to 
provide full time care and 

856
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:20,760
education with a support that 
that is like a really basic, 

857
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:22,760
there's like, there's not a lot 
of detail there. 

858
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:24,800
Right. 
But it speaks volumes. 

859
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaks absolute volumes. 
You're technically. 

860
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:31,280
That that just, that is so 
common. 

861
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:33,640
You know there's loads of these 
where it's just. 

862
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:35,000
It's just a loophole, isn't it? 
Exactly. 

863
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:36,240
It's just a loophole. 
Well, you're technically you're 

864
00:40:36,240 --> 00:40:39,880
still on the school roll, so we 
don't need to provide you any of

865
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:42,640
a provision. 
Yeah, but but the parents are 

866
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:43,920
like, well, what am I supposed 
to do then? 

867
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:46,120
It's like, but no, but I've just
told you, I reckon that the 

868
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:47,160
child's still on the school. 
Roll. 

869
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:48,840
I reckon that's probably the 
most common, yeah. 

870
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:50,240
Common issue. 
So they're still on the school 

871
00:40:50,240 --> 00:40:53,200
roll, but because they're on the
school roll, they're like, well,

872
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:54,440
if he doesn't want. 
To come in. 

873
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:55,800
Yeah, he can. 
They can come. 

874
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:59,240
In we want him to come in. 
I mean, we don't because ADHD is

875
00:40:59,240 --> 00:41:02,640
really hard to fucking deal 
with, but you know, where are 

876
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:05,320
you if you want to send them in?
You don't have to home educate 

877
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:07,760
them if you don't want to. 
If you want to drag them in 

878
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:09,960
until they say I don't want to 
be here anymore. 

879
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:12,800
That's going to be the most 
common issue and and probably 

880
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:14,120
it's like, what the fuck are we 
doing? 

881
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:15,880
It's just a shitty loophole 
isn't it? 

882
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:21,160
Wank right? 
Early years child with safety 

883
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:22,400
risks. 
Local authority has been 

884
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:24,600
withheld. 
A young child with developmental

885
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:27,520
delay and serious safety risks 
was pushed towards mainstream 

886
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:30,320
education. 
The EHCP failed to specify how 

887
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:33,320
risks would be managed. 
Specialist settings were not 

888
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:37,560
meaningfully consulted. 
Planning continued despite known

889
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:42,280
dangers. 
OK, it's just again, imagine 

890
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:46,040
being the pair and just just not
being listened to again and 

891
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:50,320
again. 
Yeah, I just like going insane. 

892
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:56,840
I mean, I know how annoyed I get
when I ring EE about my phone or

893
00:41:56,840 --> 00:41:59,640
my broadband company because my 
Internet ain't working. 

894
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:02,360
I go when they just give you 
bullshit back. 

895
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:04,000
Imagine what it's like for these
parents. 

896
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:07,200
Yeah, like it's their children. 
And you're just constantly not 

897
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:09,400
being listened to. 
And we get this quite a lot is 

898
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:11,520
parents aren't being listened to
or you're just being a bit 

899
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:13,320
neurotic. 
You're just being a bit over the

900
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:13,920
top. 
Yeah. 

901
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:15,160
Everything. 
You just. 

902
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:18,200
No, I know my child. 
You're just not listening to me,

903
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:18,560
are you? 
And you? 

904
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:20,520
Wonder what the conversations 
are when you put the phone down?

905
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:23,200
Talk me down. 
Oh, God, that sounded a bit 

906
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:24,160
stressful. 
Who you just talk to? 

907
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:25,880
Oh, this mum, she thinks this 
this, this isn't this. 

908
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:30,480
Like fuck no. 
Oh 100% it'll be like, oh Andy's

909
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:32,480
on the phone again. 
Oh God, is it him? 

910
00:42:32,720 --> 00:42:35,280
Bloody hell. 
Handsome bastard the fucking 

911
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:37,760
Andy's. 
In Oh yeah, well, maybe I should

912
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:44,680
do Zoom calls. 
But again, it's it's #9 team, 

913
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:49,280
team, team with severe anxiety. 
Local authority withheld this. 

914
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:51,600
Teenager's attendance reduced 
gradually due to anxiety. 

915
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:53,480
No alternative provision was 
offered. 

916
00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:55,920
And as mental health 
deteriorated, the parent 

917
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:57,840
withdrew the trial to prevent 
serious harm. 

918
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:01,400
The EHCP was never amended to 
reflect trauma or reduced 

919
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:03,800
capacity. 
Again, this is a theme that the 

920
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:05,080
parents aren't being listened 
to. 

921
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:07,200
So they take action to protect 
their child. 

922
00:43:07,720 --> 00:43:10,480
And because they've taken that 
action in the child's best 

923
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:14,760
interest, as a parent would 
fucking do, they're like, no, 

924
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:16,720
because you did that. 
Yeah, there's nothing we can do.

925
00:43:16,720 --> 00:43:17,920
Yeah. 
You know what you should have 

926
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:18,560
done? 
Yeah. 

927
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:20,720
Is wait for something serious to
happen. 

928
00:43:20,720 --> 00:43:22,960
Yeah, exactly. 
Which would have caused more 

929
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:25,560
trauma. 
And then we may have stepped in 

930
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:27,840
and done nothing. 
And essentially you've you've 

931
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:30,200
done the job for them there. 
Yeah, I understand. 

932
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:32,640
I'd have done the same. 
I'd have done exactly the same. 

933
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:33,800
But the local authority are 
going cool. 

934
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:34,800
It's one less to worry about. 
Yeah. 

935
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:36,840
So you're. 
Going to have like a bell in the

936
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:39,280
local authority that just ring 
every time they get one off and 

937
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:40,800
they like high 5 each other, 
yeah. 

938
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:44,880
Charged with final EHCP but no 
placement. 

939
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:49,120
EHCP was finalised but no 
placement was followed. 

940
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:51,640
Therapies listed in the plan 
were not delivered. 

941
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:54,800
Months passed without education.
Parent repeatedly chased the 

942
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:56,360
SEND team. 
Nothing changed. 

943
00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:57,920
This is like really common as 
well. 

944
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:00,800
It's just chase, chase, chase, 
chase, chase, chase, but it's 

945
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:04,720
and this this is where if you do
need help, like it's our discord

946
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:06,520
group is really. 
Is really really good. 

947
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:08,200
Some great parents and other 
advice. 

948
00:44:08,240 --> 00:44:11,760
But tactics, so when you're not 
being listened to, it's like, 

949
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:15,640
OK, you've, you've taken it 
here, now you take it to this 

950
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:19,880
level and this is the e-mail in 
your local authority and this is

951
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:23,480
what you say. 
So this is these are those when 

952
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:25,280
you feel like you're just up 
against a brick wall. 

953
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:28,440
I think this is where speaking 
to people in our community and 

954
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:31,720
the experience that they've had 
in the past and what's worked 

955
00:44:31,720 --> 00:44:34,960
for them is is really valuable. 
It's, it's, it's one of those 

956
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:40,400
again, it's just sometimes you 
go, what's the point of an EACP?

957
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:43,880
You put stuff in there, you 
completed that aspect of your 

958
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:46,240
due diligence or what you're 
supposed to do as an authority, 

959
00:44:46,240 --> 00:44:49,520
local authority and then you 
just don't follow it through. 

960
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:55,880
And I can see then so that can 
then be used as a bit of a baton

961
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:59,440
or whatever the case may be by 
by politicians going, well, This

962
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:02,720
is why we need to change it 
because that and they justify it

963
00:45:02,720 --> 00:45:05,440
because of this and then they 
introduce something which 

964
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:08,760
doesn't help anyway. 
Yeah. 

965
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:13,200
Right. 
Child repeatedly forced into 

966
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:15,840
mainstream local authority 
withheld. 

967
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:19,720
Despite professional objections 
and repeated breakdowns, this 

968
00:45:19,720 --> 00:45:21,920
child continues to be placed in 
mainstream. 

969
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:25,280
Each placement fails. 
Each time the council proposes 

970
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:32,320
the same solution again, like. 
And this is a parent that hasn't

971
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:33,960
taken a kid out. 
Yeah, this is they've gone. 

972
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:37,400
No, I want to follow. 
Like and they're like, cool, 

973
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:39,520
let's try this. 
We tried that last time. 

974
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:42,560
It didn't work, but let's try it
again, OK. 

975
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:44,400
And that's just what they keep 
doing. 

976
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:48,920
And again, you make you wonder 
if you're cynic, you wonder if 

977
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:51,320
they're like, we'll just keep 
pushing them. 

978
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:53,840
And hopefully they'll, yeah, 
hopefully they'll pull them. 

979
00:45:54,240 --> 00:46:00,520
Yeah, we'll run out of schools. 
Yeah, childish Speech and 

980
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:03,560
language needs. 
Speech and language therapy is 

981
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:07,080
specified in the EHPEHCP. 
It's never been delivered. 

982
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:12,280
Council claims that offering 
access meets it's duty. 

983
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:15,600
See, that's that fucking the HCP
language, isn't it? 

984
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:18,080
The child has received no 
therapy. 

985
00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:22,400
Yeah, it's like, and again, it's
that trust thing, isn't it? 

986
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:25,120
You probably, if you read an HCP
and you've never been butt hurt 

987
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:28,640
by one, you probably read it and
go access to this great an 

988
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:32,600
opportunity for this amazing. 
It's like Nah Nah Nah. 

989
00:46:32,720 --> 00:46:37,520
Legal document like that means 
that as long as they have access

990
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:41,160
to it and the opportunity to do 
it and their ass is covered. 

991
00:46:41,240 --> 00:46:44,160
Which is kind of what we're 
fearing about the procedure. 

992
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:47,200
The leaks that were there is 
like, no, we've we can prove 

993
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:50,440
that we follow procedure as long
as we do that and provide 

994
00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:52,760
access, yeah. 
What does that even mean? 

995
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:55,240
You've got the opportunity to do
it. 

996
00:46:56,960 --> 00:46:58,000
Yeah. 
It's some access to it. 

997
00:46:58,000 --> 00:46:59,360
Yeah. 
It's not our fault it doesn't 

998
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:00,720
work. 
We'd need to. 

999
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:02,560
No, yeah, we just signposted 
you. 

1000
00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:06,960
It's your access. 
It's your access make you make 

1001
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:09,640
it happen. 
And it's not coincidence that 

1002
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:12,680
that language keeps coming up. 
No, you know somebody is going 

1003
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:14,800
say this. 
Say that, see if it gets picked 

1004
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:16,440
up. 
Oh, it got through great. 

1005
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:17,520
That's one that we don't have to
help. 

1006
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:21,240
Exactly. 
Child with autism and ADHD Local

1007
00:47:21,240 --> 00:47:23,960
authority withheld after 
mainstream placement collapse. 

1008
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:26,600
The EHCP remained in draft 
indefinitely. 

1009
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:30,840
No interim support was offered. 
Now the parent pays privately 

1010
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:40,400
for therapy while waiting like. 
What that that that 55 grand 

1011
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:44,960
remortgaging? 
That one parent. 100 grand came 

1012
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:47,960
up the other day. 
Yeah, somebody cost them 100 

1013
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:51,480
grand just to get the EACP 
followed or the the education 

1014
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:54,360
for their child cost them 100 
grand. 

1015
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:56,920
How is there no reimbursement 
when that happens? 

1016
00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:00,000
I don't give a shit today how? 
Was there no reimbursement? 

1017
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:01,800
They could have waited six years
and they would have got it, but 

1018
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:03,000
they didn't want to wait six 
years. 

1019
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:07,680
It's just this disgusting. 
And there'd be like solicitors, 

1020
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:11,240
barristers just going right. 
Yeah, there's a whole industry 

1021
00:48:11,240 --> 00:48:13,920
behind this. 
Now, we can we do this week in, 

1022
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:17,080
week out. 
But if you've got the money, Can

1023
00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:20,000
you imagine just having to sink 
that amount of money into it and

1024
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:22,880
then the families that don't 
have that available cash? 

1025
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:24,360
I can do it. 
Yeah. 

1026
00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:26,000
OK. 
If that happened, I'd be 

1027
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:28,040
screwed. 
I can go, you know, I'll just 

1028
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:29,120
find I'm. 
Going to hash the remote. 

1029
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:34,200
It's it's 30 grand. 
Let's sink it in there, jeez. 

1030
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:39,320
Yeah, it's disgusting. 
Single parent with multiple 

1031
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:43,040
disabled children. 
One child has been withheld. 

1032
00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:45,280
It's been without education. 
Sorry, guys, I ain't got my 

1033
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:47,400
glasses on. 
Education for an extended 

1034
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:50,120
period. 
Parent cannot work due to caring

1035
00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:51,520
demands. 
Yeah, we know what that's like. 

1036
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:54,080
Financial and emotional strain 
is severe. 

1037
00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:57,240
Professionals have raised 
safeguarding concerns about the 

1038
00:48:57,240 --> 00:49:04,400
impact on the family so the 
local authority aren't 

1039
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:07,040
supporting you enough and as a 
result they're going to raise 

1040
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:09,800
safeguarding concerns because 
they're not giving you the 

1041
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:10,560
support you need. 
It's. 

1042
00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:14,280
It's just doubly being it's like
getting slapped on one cheek and

1043
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:15,280
then say like, give us the other
cheek. 

1044
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:16,480
Want to slap that as well? 
Yeah. 

1045
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:19,200
Absolutely piss take. 
And you know, we had that 

1046
00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:23,440
horrible story about the family 
in Australia who took the lives 

1047
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:25,600
of their children and took their
own lives because there was just

1048
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:28,120
no way out. 
And AI mean and. 

1049
00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:29,840
You imagine you're at breaking 
point like this. 

1050
00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:32,840
It's an assumption I'm making 
but did you see the the 

1051
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:34,480
helicopter shots of the 
property? 

1052
00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:37,840
They had money. 
They had a nice house and pool 

1053
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:41,560
outside. 
Like some things aren't 

1054
00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:45,080
financial. 
No, I don't know the insurance 

1055
00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:49,560
and outs of of their lives, but 
they look like a well to do nice

1056
00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:52,120
happy family. 
How can it happen to anybody if 

1057
00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:54,520
it's gonna happen to them, it 
can activate it happen to 

1058
00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:57,040
anybody and it's it's going to 
happen again. 

1059
00:49:57,040 --> 00:49:58,120
It's. 
Going to happen. 

1060
00:49:58,120 --> 00:49:58,960
It's. 
Going to happen again. 

1061
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:00,560
Don't know where, but it's going
to happen again. 

1062
00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:02,480
It's going to happen and you 
know what'll happen? 

1063
00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:04,760
It'll just be thoughts and 
prayers, and then we'll just not

1064
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:05,640
change anything. 
Thoughts. 

1065
00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:08,120
And prayers and changing. 
Profiles, put some candles 

1066
00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:10,440
outside and then we'll try and 
find a way of demonising the 

1067
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:13,320
parents for doing it. 
Yeah yeah. 

1068
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:16,120
Absolutely disgusting child with
school based trauma. 

1069
00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:19,280
Local authority withheld. 
Attempts at reintegration 

1070
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:21,200
repeatedly failed. 
No alternative education was 

1071
00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:22,960
offered. 
The child's mental health 

1072
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:26,600
deteriorated rapidly. 
The parents withdrew the child 

1073
00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:29,200
to prevent harm again. 
This is a theme, isn't it? 

1074
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:35,400
Just taking a child out to stop 
harm coming to them as the only 

1075
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:38,600
option. 
So sacrificing education again, 

1076
00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:41,600
even though education is a right
for every child. 

1077
00:50:44,600 --> 00:50:46,840
Some of these local authorities,
I wish they weren't withheld. 

1078
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:49,080
Withheld, I know, yeah, not 
everybody wanted to, wanted to 

1079
00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:50,360
give them. 
Which I totally understand if 

1080
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:53,960
you if you're going through a 
case 100% you want, Yeah, but 

1081
00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:56,880
you know, we should have a shit 
list of local authorities. 

1082
00:50:56,880 --> 00:50:59,280
I mean, where are we at now? 
What number we? 

1083
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:03,080
Got 17. 17 We'll skip through 
these pretty quick, but so 

1084
00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:07,080
costly so child and unused 
specialist placement The costly 

1085
00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:10,640
specialist placement remains 
funded but unused due to trauma.

1086
00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:14,880
Council refused, refuses cheaper
EOTAS provision. 

1087
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:18,680
The child remains on roll but 
receives no education. 

1088
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:23,440
Child's on roll. 
Child remains on roll. 

1089
00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:29,400
Yeah, no education. 
It's like and the other thing 

1090
00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:32,600
with, you know, with funding 
getting moved around, I don't 

1091
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:37,680
know, I've talked about it last 
week, but that that parent that 

1092
00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:41,320
had their child's one to one 
funding removed have given to 

1093
00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:43,880
another child that didn't have 
any, didn't even have an EHCP, 

1094
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:51,160
doesn't work like that. 
I mean you. 

1095
00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:52,280
Just can't get your head around 
it. 

1096
00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:55,360
It's just like they just passed.
And this is the problem with the

1097
00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:58,320
system. 
This is partly why it needs 

1098
00:51:58,320 --> 00:51:59,560
reform. 
But. 

1099
00:51:59,920 --> 00:52:03,880
Do you have a centralised agency
that does it all with competent 

1100
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:06,040
individuals? 
Where'd you find them? 

1101
00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:09,520
Yeah, good point. 
Yeah. 

1102
00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:12,240
Child with physical and sensory 
needs. 

1103
00:52:12,240 --> 00:52:16,080
Local authority withheld. 
Major replacement was clearly 

1104
00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:17,560
unsuitable. 
Risks were documented. 

1105
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:19,960
Specialist consultation was 
delayed. 

1106
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:22,800
The child was informally 
excluded without alternative 

1107
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:24,800
provision. 
You know, we've we've done a lot

1108
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:26,520
of talk about informal 
exclusions. 

1109
00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:27,240
Yeah. 
You did a video. 

1110
00:52:27,640 --> 00:52:28,720
On that, weren't you? 
Yeah, absolutely. 

1111
00:52:28,720 --> 00:52:33,080
There's a if you are facing that
we have a real which is about 

1112
00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:34,360
60. 
It's a 62nd. 

1113
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:37,280
No bullshit guide to what 
happened, what informal 

1114
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:38,760
exclusion is, and what you can 
do. 

1115
00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:40,800
Yeah. 
But yeah, it's a common tactic. 

1116
00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:44,040
Yeah, and it is a thing if you 
just, if you feel like your 

1117
00:52:44,040 --> 00:52:46,120
child is being excluded from 
school. 

1118
00:52:46,120 --> 00:52:48,680
Yeah, it is a thing. 
It's called informal exclusion. 

1119
00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:51,640
Yeah, we've had it where kids 
are in mainstream school and 

1120
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:57,000
what's it called when they come 
round to doing an appraisal of 

1121
00:52:57,000 --> 00:52:59,320
the school? 
What's that called again? 

1122
00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:00,400
You mean like an Ofsted 
inspection? 

1123
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:01,160
Ofsted. 
That's it. 

1124
00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:04,360
When Ofsted come round, it's 
amazing how many neurodiverse 

1125
00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:06,880
kids are asked not to attend 
that day one. 

1126
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:08,800
Particular is not come in school
today. 

1127
00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:11,400
Yeah, we've got Ofsted and we 
don't want to. 

1128
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:12,840
Don't be chasing children 
around. 

1129
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:14,400
The school. 
Because the head teacher wants 

1130
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:18,040
to get a good report so we can 
move on to a bigger and better 

1131
00:53:18,040 --> 00:53:21,320
school. 
Child awaiting EHCP decision. 

1132
00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:23,720
Local authority withheld the 
child has been out of education 

1133
00:53:23,720 --> 00:53:26,120
during the the entire EHCP 
assessment. 

1134
00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:28,400
Section 19 duties were not 
applied. 

1135
00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:30,880
Statutory deadlines were missed 
repeatedly. 

1136
00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:33,480
That's common. 
That's common deadlines, 

1137
00:53:34,120 --> 00:53:37,360
operational failure, early 
arrival not communicated Again, 

1138
00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:40,000
local authority withheld. 
A school agreed a child could 

1139
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:43,520
arrive early to avoid crowds. 
This was confirmed with SEND 

1140
00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:45,960
staff. 
Oh, this one pissed me off. 

1141
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:50,280
On the first day, the class 
teacher not been told, the child

1142
00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:53,360
was turned away at the door, 
distressed and confused. 

1143
00:53:53,680 --> 00:53:56,880
Attendance collapse. 
The adjustment existed on paper,

1144
00:53:56,880 --> 00:54:00,120
not in practise. 
Well, that's just. 

1145
00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:01,960
That's one of the shit. 
It's one of the first ones that 

1146
00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:04,440
I because obviously when all the
emails are coming in and just 

1147
00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:07,760
dropping in and you know, just 
reading a few and that's one of 

1148
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:10,840
the first ones I read. 
Imagine you've got a girl that 

1149
00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:15,600
really wants to go to school, 
but she gets anxiety around it. 

1150
00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:20,120
We, we had one of the dads on 
earlier, remember, and there was

1151
00:54:20,120 --> 00:54:22,200
an issue at the gates every day 
there was. 

1152
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:25,400
Yeah, yeah, it's like that. 
And and they went inspect to the

1153
00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:27,640
head and the head was like, OK, 
what might help? 

1154
00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:30,920
It's like, well what? 
She could go in the class before

1155
00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:33,320
everyone else arrives. 
Whoa, what crazy idea? 

1156
00:54:33,320 --> 00:54:35,520
Whoa, that makes sense. 
Fucking hell. 

1157
00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:38,560
Avoid the crowds. 
So they were like, yeah, sounds 

1158
00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:40,440
good. 
Parents were happy, the kid was 

1159
00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:42,000
happy. 
She was like, OK, great. 

1160
00:54:42,120 --> 00:54:43,640
They told her this is what's 
going to happen. 

1161
00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:47,800
But then when she went there the
next day, the teacher was like 

1162
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:50,520
what are you here early? 
No, no, you're not coming early.

1163
00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:55,560
Meltdown like this is like such 
a low hanging fruit like these 

1164
00:54:55,560 --> 00:54:58,240
just real simple little things 
that you could do to make a 

1165
00:54:58,240 --> 00:54:59,880
massive difference to these kids
lives. 

1166
00:54:59,920 --> 00:55:01,760
And you know what? 
It's an easy win, isn't it? 

1167
00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:06,360
It's a really fucking easy win 
for the the Senko team. 

1168
00:55:06,360 --> 00:55:08,840
Whatever. 
We're going to have more 

1169
00:55:08,840 --> 00:55:12,680
neurodiverse kids in mainstream.
That's going to happen, whatever

1170
00:55:12,680 --> 00:55:14,320
the leaks say when the white 
paper comes out. 

1171
00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:16,600
We know that's going to happen. 
We're going to get more neuro 

1172
00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:18,280
diverse kids. 
There's going to be more 

1173
00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:21,520
families going. 
My kid can't handle crowds. 

1174
00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:23,120
Yeah. 
Then you're a diverse. 

1175
00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:26,400
OK. 
There's going to be more schools

1176
00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:27,560
going, right? 
Well, we need to get them in 

1177
00:55:27,560 --> 00:55:28,320
earlier. 
Yeah. 

1178
00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:31,120
If you can't have your fucking 
send team communicate with a 

1179
00:55:31,120 --> 00:55:32,960
teacher in the same schools 
like. 

1180
00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:34,840
Cool. 
Thank you, Mr Mrs. Smith. 

1181
00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:37,320
Well, I'll pass that on. 
Hello. 

1182
00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:40,440
Yeah, tomorrow morning, such and
such is going to come in early. 

1183
00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:41,960
Can you? 
15 minutes early, can you make 

1184
00:55:41,960 --> 00:55:43,360
sure? 
Not a problem, thank you. 

1185
00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:45,320
Done. 
That's all that had to fucking 

1186
00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:48,000
happen. 
Geez, you can't even get that 

1187
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:49,680
right. 
And the impact when you get it 

1188
00:55:49,680 --> 00:55:50,440
wrong. 
Huge. 

1189
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:52,440
Exactly. 
It's it's not trust. 

1190
00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:53,920
Oh, OK. 
It's the trust bit. 

1191
00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:56,080
Trust you told me this before 
the. 

1192
00:55:56,520 --> 00:55:59,280
The parents have gone and said, 
hey, listen, we saw the hey, 

1193
00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:00,760
this is what's going to happen. 
Really. 

1194
00:56:00,760 --> 00:56:01,560
Yeah. 
Yeah, we're going to. 

1195
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:03,640
Everyone's agreed to do that. 
Oh, Mum, Dad, thanks. 

1196
00:56:03,640 --> 00:56:05,400
That's amazing. 
Thank you so much. 

1197
00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:09,120
And she goes there thinking this
is great I can finally start 

1198
00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:10,640
going back to school again 
without anxiety. 

1199
00:56:11,080 --> 00:56:13,160
Boom. 
Now you just think my parents 

1200
00:56:13,160 --> 00:56:14,960
lied to me. 
Yeah, just to get me there. 

1201
00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:17,680
Yeah, next time your parents go,
listen, we've sorted it out. 

1202
00:56:17,680 --> 00:56:20,080
You're going to be like. 
No, yeah, I'm afforded for that 

1203
00:56:20,080 --> 00:56:20,920
again. 
Exactly. 

1204
00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:24,520
Absolutely bullshit. 
Next one, operational failure. 

1205
00:56:24,520 --> 00:56:26,280
Transport not informed. 
Again. 

1206
00:56:26,280 --> 00:56:28,400
Local authority withheld 
adjustments were agreed to 

1207
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:30,600
support the child's transport. 
Transport staff were not 

1208
00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:33,680
informed. 
The child arrived late in 

1209
00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:35,680
distressed. 
The school refused entry. 

1210
00:56:35,680 --> 00:56:38,960
The child was sent home. 
Oh my God. 

1211
00:56:39,040 --> 00:56:41,520
So we just punished the child. 
That makes sense. 

1212
00:56:41,840 --> 00:56:44,040
Adjustments were agreed to 
support the child's transport. 

1213
00:56:44,040 --> 00:56:48,680
Cool transport staff weren't 
informed so the kid ended up 

1214
00:56:48,680 --> 00:56:51,320
late and then the school 
wouldn't let them in and the 

1215
00:56:51,320 --> 00:56:56,240
child was sent home again. 
It's that same. 

1216
00:56:57,240 --> 00:56:59,160
Can't communicate. 
We've got all these down as 

1217
00:56:59,160 --> 00:57:01,840
operational failures. 
These aren't difficult things. 

1218
00:57:02,200 --> 00:57:05,240
These are easy. 
Well, these just show how the 

1219
00:57:05,240 --> 00:57:11,040
inability of individuals working
in certain schools or 

1220
00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:16,040
authorities that they cannot 
communicate effectively between 

1221
00:57:16,040 --> 00:57:18,160
themselves. 
Yeah, yeah. 

1222
00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:20,440
And sometimes they're in the 
same God damn building and they 

1223
00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:23,040
still can't communicate, but 
they bang on at the children. 

1224
00:57:23,240 --> 00:57:25,800
You must be able to talk and 
tell us they're really. 

1225
00:57:25,800 --> 00:57:27,840
Think the most difficult 
conversations and the difficult 

1226
00:57:27,840 --> 00:57:31,520
agreements would be between 
between the schools and and the 

1227
00:57:31,520 --> 00:57:32,960
parents and the children and the
kids. 

1228
00:57:33,240 --> 00:57:35,040
That would be the difficult. 
If you get that bit nailed, 

1229
00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:37,880
fuck, you should be able to get 
everything else done, but you 

1230
00:57:37,880 --> 00:57:40,360
can't internally pass messages 
on. 

1231
00:57:40,840 --> 00:57:42,960
Oh, we can fix. 
We can fix this problem really 

1232
00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:45,920
simply. 
You know, let's just make it 

1233
00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:46,800
harder. 
Yeah, let's make it. 

1234
00:57:46,800 --> 00:57:47,760
Harder. 
Let's make it harder. 

1235
00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:50,400
Should we tell them? 
No, no, that makes it more fun. 

1236
00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:52,000
Yeah, let's should. 
We tell them they're coming in 

1237
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:53,720
early. 
No, let's, let's not bother. 

1238
00:57:53,920 --> 00:57:56,480
Don't tell the transport team. 
Should we tell transport no? 

1239
00:57:56,640 --> 00:57:59,680
When they come, what we'll do, 
yeah, is we'll send them home 

1240
00:57:59,680 --> 00:58:01,520
and that'll stress everybody out
even more. 

1241
00:58:01,520 --> 00:58:03,840
Yeah, because then the parent 
will have to take a day off 

1242
00:58:03,840 --> 00:58:04,880
work. 
Yeah. 

1243
00:58:05,720 --> 00:58:07,560
To stay at home. 
Knock on effect, it's all those 

1244
00:58:07,560 --> 00:58:12,560
other things that happen it wow.
Wow, wow, wow. 

1245
00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:13,760
But it's. 
Just all these operational 

1246
00:58:13,760 --> 00:58:14,600
failures, they're not. 
Really easy. 

1247
00:58:14,600 --> 00:58:18,040
One to one support unfunded 
Local authority withheld 1 to 1 

1248
00:58:18,040 --> 00:58:20,520
support was agreed and written 
into the plan. 

1249
00:58:20,600 --> 00:58:21,560
Great. 
Legally binding. 

1250
00:58:21,960 --> 00:58:23,520
No staff were recruited. 
Amazing. 

1251
00:58:24,040 --> 00:58:26,480
The child attended without 
support, became distressed and 

1252
00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:29,920
was blamed for behaviour that 
had already been predicted 

1253
00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:32,760
absolutely, which is why they 
needed one to one support. 

1254
00:58:32,760 --> 00:58:35,880
Absolute wankers blame the. 
Family blame the child. 

1255
00:58:39,120 --> 00:58:40,880
Next one, quiet space 
unavailable. 

1256
00:58:41,440 --> 00:58:43,640
The quiet space was agreed as 
part of the Child Support plan. 

1257
00:58:44,120 --> 00:58:45,920
When the child needed it. 
The room was locked. 

1258
00:58:46,320 --> 00:58:47,920
Oh my God. 
Or in use. 

1259
00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:50,800
What is this? 
The child escalated and then 

1260
00:58:50,840 --> 00:58:53,680
again the child is punished and 
was removed from class. 

1261
00:58:53,720 --> 00:58:56,520
Low hanging fruit guys. 
These are really, really easy 

1262
00:58:56,520 --> 00:58:58,840
fixes that would make it a 
massive difference. 

1263
00:58:58,840 --> 00:59:03,160
If this is mainstream schools 
and you're going to get extra 

1264
00:59:03,160 --> 00:59:05,040
funding, now this. 
Is what the training's going to 

1265
00:59:05,040 --> 00:59:07,640
be it's going to be like? 
Training on how to unlock a 

1266
00:59:07,640 --> 00:59:08,640
door. 
That's exactly, that's what I 

1267
00:59:08,640 --> 00:59:10,400
was going to say. 
It'll be so if a door needs to 

1268
00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:11,600
be unlocked, you need to make 
sure. 

1269
00:59:11,720 --> 00:59:13,720
We need to have a course on 
who's going to be the key 

1270
00:59:13,720 --> 00:59:16,280
holder. 
Who's going to be the key 

1271
00:59:16,280 --> 00:59:18,280
holder? 
I don't know. 

1272
00:59:18,280 --> 00:59:20,360
I know a guy whose father was a 
tool maker. 

1273
00:59:20,360 --> 00:59:23,800
He'll be able to help. 
Oh yes, my father was a tool 

1274
00:59:23,800 --> 00:59:24,960
maker. 
Couldn't give a shit, you 

1275
00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:27,120
dickhead. 
Oh my God. 

1276
00:59:27,600 --> 00:59:31,280
Child publicly humiliated A 
child with an EHCP spent most 

1277
00:59:31,280 --> 00:59:34,400
days sitting in the back of the 
classroom with a pile of toys. 

1278
00:59:35,000 --> 00:59:37,920
This was described as support. 
It was not education. 

1279
00:59:39,520 --> 00:59:43,040
We're just turning it into a day
crash centre. 

1280
00:59:43,520 --> 00:59:46,560
We've got to take them, we'll 
get the funding, we'll get some 

1281
00:59:46,560 --> 00:59:48,760
toys of Timu and just stick them
in the back of the class. 

1282
00:59:48,760 --> 00:59:51,520
At least we can say they're on 
the roll and they've turned up. 

1283
00:59:51,560 --> 00:59:54,200
Easily done if you've got, if 
you've got, I mean even in a 

1284
00:59:54,200 --> 00:59:58,480
specialist saying if you've got 
six kids in a in a class and one

1285
00:59:58,480 --> 01:00:01,880
of those kids is quite happy 
sitting on his iPad, for 

1286
01:00:01,880 --> 01:00:05,240
example, it's quite easy when 
you've got these other kids 

1287
01:00:05,240 --> 01:00:07,280
running around like lunatics to 
just go. 

1288
01:00:07,640 --> 01:00:11,880
He'll be OK, he'll be fine. 
Easy that there is such a big 

1289
01:00:11,880 --> 01:00:14,720
difference in in the education 
that Lydia is getting already at

1290
01:00:14,720 --> 01:00:18,280
a specialist school compared to 
this They they don't leave any 

1291
01:00:18,280 --> 01:00:21,640
of the kids behind. 
They're, they're pushed at the 

1292
01:00:21,640 --> 01:00:25,480
right level to try and just take
them out of the comfort zone so 

1293
01:00:25,480 --> 01:00:27,480
they can keep learning and. 
Moving not to have a meltdown. 

1294
01:00:27,480 --> 01:00:29,720
Yeah, exactly. 
Yeah, whereas what we find in 

1295
01:00:29,720 --> 01:00:32,480
our mainstream schools, they 
can't cope, is like, just stick 

1296
01:00:32,480 --> 01:00:34,440
little Johnny in the corner, 
some toys, and he'll just be 

1297
01:00:34,440 --> 01:00:35,520
quiet. 
We can teach the rest of the 

1298
01:00:35,520 --> 01:00:37,360
class. 
Is this what this is what? 

1299
01:00:37,680 --> 01:00:40,280
This is what's coming? 
This is what the new proposal is

1300
01:00:40,280 --> 01:00:41,280
going to be. 
We'll dress it up. 

1301
01:00:41,280 --> 01:00:42,680
We'll call it all these fancy 
names. 

1302
01:00:42,680 --> 01:00:46,480
How are they going to undo this?
I'll tell you what if if this is

1303
01:00:46,480 --> 01:00:48,920
what's going to happen. 
But The thing is with a lot of 

1304
01:00:48,920 --> 01:00:53,680
this is a lot of this is EHCP 
stated and it wasn't delivered. 

1305
01:00:54,200 --> 01:00:56,320
Yeah, OK. 
Well, with the white paper 

1306
01:00:56,320 --> 01:01:01,280
coming, if there's no EHCP, 
yeah, what's the comeback? 

1307
01:01:02,000 --> 01:01:03,960
That's the point, isn't it? 
That's kind of the point. 

1308
01:01:03,960 --> 01:01:06,600
There's no comeback, which is 
why this CAP question has been 

1309
01:01:06,600 --> 01:01:10,760
dodged again and again. 
And why they'll make it so much 

1310
01:01:10,760 --> 01:01:12,720
harder to get an EHCP. 
We've talked about the four 

1311
01:01:12,720 --> 01:01:15,840
tiers that are potentially being
put in place before that you've 

1312
01:01:15,840 --> 01:01:18,920
got to go through and have your 
child fail repeatedly before 

1313
01:01:18,920 --> 01:01:21,080
anyone would consider moving 
them up to the next tier. 

1314
01:01:21,760 --> 01:01:24,200
Lo and behold, if you're lucky 
enough to get a gold in the 

1315
01:01:24,200 --> 01:01:26,680
EHCP. 
But then when you get one, 

1316
01:01:27,120 --> 01:01:29,680
clearly you can see now it 
doesn't mean Jack shit. 

1317
01:01:29,840 --> 01:01:34,240
No, no. 
Child with extreme exact 

1318
01:01:34,240 --> 01:01:38,040
anxiety. 
Attendance sanctions were 

1319
01:01:38,040 --> 01:01:40,960
threatened despite unmet needs. 
Pressure was placed on the 

1320
01:01:40,960 --> 01:01:43,800
parent rather than the solution 
offered, rather than solutions 

1321
01:01:43,800 --> 01:01:46,960
offered, which then result in 
anxieties escalating. 

1322
01:01:46,960 --> 01:01:51,040
Yeah. 
It's like it's just, it's a lot 

1323
01:01:51,040 --> 01:01:53,360
of the same you, a lot of this. 
You'd think it was the same 

1324
01:01:53,360 --> 01:01:54,680
person that had written it. 
Yeah. 

1325
01:01:55,480 --> 01:01:57,680
Next, one school environment 
called stress and refusal. 

1326
01:01:57,680 --> 01:02:00,920
No adaptations were made. 
Alternative provisions were 

1327
01:02:00,920 --> 01:02:03,120
delayed again. 
This is this is a bit that gets 

1328
01:02:03,120 --> 01:02:05,240
me and that's going to come up 
more and more. 

1329
01:02:05,400 --> 01:02:07,800
No adaptations. 
Adaptations were made. 

1330
01:02:08,720 --> 01:02:10,880
Adaptations. 
Yeah, none of them were made. 

1331
01:02:11,200 --> 01:02:14,600
Absolutely nothing. 
No, it's like, no, you sort it. 

1332
01:02:14,600 --> 01:02:15,920
Out. 
Yeah, like it will lump it. 

1333
01:02:16,440 --> 01:02:18,000
But you're getting, you're going
to be getting the money for 

1334
01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:19,320
these kids. 
Yeah, and that's what really 

1335
01:02:19,320 --> 01:02:20,480
annoys. 
Me and they're not going to be 

1336
01:02:20,480 --> 01:02:21,960
tied to the child that go to the
school. 

1337
01:02:22,520 --> 01:02:24,640
Yeah, we'll take more on. 
We'll get some more toys and you

1338
01:02:24,640 --> 01:02:26,600
know we'll have a special room 
when it's not unlocked. 

1339
01:02:26,960 --> 01:02:29,440
Yeah, make sure you wonder how 
many one to ones are being paid 

1340
01:02:29,440 --> 01:02:31,760
for and how many one to ones 
actually exist. 

1341
01:02:32,640 --> 01:02:34,920
But there's a huge amount. 
What does it get to? 

1342
01:02:34,920 --> 01:02:38,040
Does it become like a bit of a 
bidding wall, like some schools 

1343
01:02:38,040 --> 01:02:39,520
go up? 
You know, actually, we'll. 

1344
01:02:39,760 --> 01:02:41,840
Yeah, we'll take on another 
three. 

1345
01:02:41,880 --> 01:02:44,520
Yeah, we'll take another three 
because that'll mean we get so 

1346
01:02:44,520 --> 01:02:45,600
much more money. 
Yeah, We can cope. 

1347
01:02:45,760 --> 01:02:46,320
Yeah. 
We'll take. 

1348
01:02:46,320 --> 01:02:48,080
No, We'll take yeah. 
We'll have three and. 

1349
01:02:48,200 --> 01:02:49,520
Then the teachers like we can't 
we'll. 

1350
01:02:49,600 --> 01:02:57,960
Employ 2 where we at 27. 
I mean, I think we've just done 

1351
01:02:57,960 --> 01:03:02,480
that. 128 therapies listed in 
the HCP ceased due to funding 

1352
01:03:02,480 --> 01:03:04,960
delays. 
The council did not replace 

1353
01:03:04,960 --> 01:03:06,680
them. 
The parents had to pay 

1354
01:03:06,680 --> 01:03:09,320
privately. 
Fuck what the fuck I like. 

1355
01:03:11,640 --> 01:03:14,280
Can you be newer? 
You imagine me newer, the parent

1356
01:03:14,280 --> 01:03:16,920
of neurotypical kid and they're 
going like, oh, we're not going 

1357
01:03:16,920 --> 01:03:19,680
to have French lessons anymore. 
And you're like, unless you pay 

1358
01:03:19,680 --> 01:03:22,960
for them privately. 
They'll get it, but it's just 

1359
01:03:22,960 --> 01:03:24,440
going to take a while because 
it's just delays. 

1360
01:03:24,600 --> 01:03:26,000
Yeah. 
So if you want them to get the 

1361
01:03:26,000 --> 01:03:27,640
thing that they need. 
You pay privately. 

1362
01:03:27,640 --> 01:03:31,320
You have to pay privately or 
wait and we will get it at some 

1363
01:03:31,320 --> 01:03:32,920
point down the line. 
We've just got some funding 

1364
01:03:32,920 --> 01:03:34,400
delays. 
And if you do want to pay 

1365
01:03:34,400 --> 01:03:37,480
privately, here's a little 
leaflet we've got of all the 

1366
01:03:37,480 --> 01:03:39,160
tutors that will take it on 
privately. 

1367
01:03:39,240 --> 01:03:41,480
And you can imagine, like little
kickbacks in here. 

1368
01:03:41,680 --> 01:03:45,880
Yeah, I'll give you 10% of the 
transition year, child. 

1369
01:03:46,520 --> 01:03:48,760
No placements secured for the 
next academic year. 

1370
01:03:49,360 --> 01:03:52,680
Communication stopped and 
September approach without a 

1371
01:03:52,680 --> 01:03:55,800
plan again. 
It's just like leaving it, 

1372
01:03:55,800 --> 01:03:59,280
leaving it, leaving it last 
minute and not coming back to 

1373
01:03:59,280 --> 01:04:01,440
parents. 
That communication piece is so 

1374
01:04:01,440 --> 01:04:04,680
important if you've got a send 
child because you just live and 

1375
01:04:04,680 --> 01:04:09,360
breathe every day. 
School failure. 

1376
01:04:09,360 --> 01:04:11,240
My daughter's story. 
Oh God. 

1377
01:04:11,800 --> 01:04:14,480
Local authority withheld for 
years. 

1378
01:04:14,480 --> 01:04:16,040
The family did everything they 
were asked. 

1379
01:04:16,040 --> 01:04:19,840
They tried multiple mainstream 
placements, phase returns and 

1380
01:04:19,840 --> 01:04:23,000
reduce timetables. 
Each attempt to cause further 

1381
01:04:23,000 --> 01:04:27,000
trauma support was promised, 
delayed, partially delivered and

1382
01:04:27,000 --> 01:04:29,560
then withdrawn. 
Eventually the child had to be 

1383
01:04:29,560 --> 01:04:31,440
removed from school to protect 
her well-being. 

1384
01:04:32,120 --> 01:04:34,080
This was not single failure, 
single failure. 

1385
01:04:34,640 --> 01:04:36,640
It was a system failing over 
time. 

1386
01:04:37,120 --> 01:04:42,240
The call running theme is, yeah,
Ecps increasing reflect needs 

1387
01:04:42,240 --> 01:04:46,040
that the system already knows it
cannot or will not resource. 

1388
01:04:46,920 --> 01:04:50,320
And and that's something that 
many parents have said to us, 

1389
01:04:51,280 --> 01:04:53,320
yes, the EHC PS:. 
They'll finally give in and say,

1390
01:04:53,320 --> 01:04:54,600
yes, this is the support they 
need. 

1391
01:04:54,960 --> 01:04:57,000
And then once it's in there, it 
just won't deliver it. 

1392
01:04:57,120 --> 01:05:00,320
And This is why you know that 
that first one I read where the 

1393
01:05:00,320 --> 01:05:06,040
EHCP didn't reflect need, in my 
opinion, trying to get him into 

1394
01:05:06,040 --> 01:05:08,640
a into a mainstream school. 
Well, that's because ultimately,

1395
01:05:08,640 --> 01:05:11,480
historically, they've been 
issuing EHC. 

1396
01:05:11,480 --> 01:05:14,520
PS: Knowing full well they 
haven't got the provision to to 

1397
01:05:14,520 --> 01:05:17,440
fulfil the EHC. 
PS: Now it looks like they're 

1398
01:05:17,440 --> 01:05:20,840
starting to go, we need to pull 
back a little bit on what were 

1399
01:05:20,840 --> 01:05:22,960
included in these EHC. 
PS: Because we haven't got the 

1400
01:05:22,960 --> 01:05:25,680
provision and that's why they're
taking this to tribunal, because

1401
01:05:25,680 --> 01:05:29,960
they can only take you to 
tribunal if the EHCECP wording. 

1402
01:05:29,960 --> 01:05:32,160
Yeah, exactly. 
So I thought we've got to pull 

1403
01:05:32,160 --> 01:05:34,720
back a little bit. 
You know, I, I'm a, I've become 

1404
01:05:34,720 --> 01:05:36,280
a cynical bastard over this 
stuff. 

1405
01:05:36,320 --> 01:05:39,160
And, and you just go, well, the 
first delaying tactic that we 

1406
01:05:39,160 --> 01:05:42,560
can implement is we'll delay 
even doing the HCP. 

1407
01:05:42,880 --> 01:05:45,560
That will save us a bit of time.
Then we'll go into consultation 

1408
01:05:45,560 --> 01:05:48,440
with the parents for the HCP. 
Then we'll delay it then. 

1409
01:05:48,440 --> 01:05:51,240
And then when it comes to final 
draft, we'll just have to delay 

1410
01:05:51,240 --> 01:05:53,160
it. 
And then when they do get it, 

1411
01:05:53,760 --> 01:05:57,160
which they find out that we 
can't deliver any of it and then

1412
01:05:57,160 --> 01:05:58,720
we'll just deal with it then. 
Yeah. 

1413
01:06:01,640 --> 01:06:04,080
Yes, the plans are definitely 
being issued into a system with 

1414
01:06:04,160 --> 01:06:06,720
insufficient provision and the 
burden of that mismatch is 

1415
01:06:06,720 --> 01:06:08,240
definitely being pushed onto 
families. 

1416
01:06:08,320 --> 01:06:10,760
And yeah. 
Yeah, no, that's so we've got 

1417
01:06:10,760 --> 01:06:13,680
like some kind of strong 
patterns that we've had 

1418
01:06:13,680 --> 01:06:15,320
throughout all of this. 
And one of the big ones is like 

1419
01:06:15,600 --> 01:06:17,800
draft EHC. 
PS: Leftover for months. 

1420
01:06:18,080 --> 01:06:20,520
Yeah. 
Because you don't quite want to 

1421
01:06:20,520 --> 01:06:22,800
seal it. 
You don't want to write it in 

1422
01:06:22,800 --> 01:06:25,880
stone until you've, no, 
actually, if you're going to be 

1423
01:06:25,880 --> 01:06:31,000
able to provide the provision, 
what can, where can we get this 

1424
01:06:31,000 --> 01:06:32,760
kid, this, this and this? 
Cool. 

1425
01:06:33,040 --> 01:06:35,440
Then we'll work backwards and 
we'll, we'll run the EHCP not 

1426
01:06:35,440 --> 01:06:37,160
based on what's needed, but 
what's available. 

1427
01:06:37,160 --> 01:06:39,960
Yeah, this is and it's based. 
It should be based on need. 

1428
01:06:40,120 --> 01:06:42,200
You know, some of the early 
stories, stories that we read, 

1429
01:06:42,200 --> 01:06:44,840
there were were kids that are 
very much like Thomas, like 

1430
01:06:44,840 --> 01:06:49,480
Lydia. 
There's no way, absolutely zero 

1431
01:06:49,640 --> 01:06:52,480
chance they should be in 
mainstream school that that's 

1432
01:06:52,480 --> 01:06:54,280
just, you know what that's 
bordering neglect. 

1433
01:06:54,280 --> 01:06:56,480
It is, yeah. 
Because our kids are doing so 

1434
01:06:56,480 --> 01:06:58,320
much better. 
They are fulfilling their 

1435
01:06:58,320 --> 01:07:00,240
potential because they're in a 
specialist setting. 

1436
01:07:00,240 --> 01:07:02,520
And I, I've said before, I know 
parents early on. 

1437
01:07:02,520 --> 01:07:05,400
I know, I know some that are 
quite resistant to specialist 

1438
01:07:05,400 --> 01:07:07,520
schools, especially. 
I spoke to the chap the other 

1439
01:07:07,520 --> 01:07:10,680
day and he said, you know, when 
he went to the specialist 

1440
01:07:10,680 --> 01:07:14,000
school, he was like, whoa, well.
It hit your home. 

1441
01:07:14,040 --> 01:07:15,520
It just hit home that your kids 
different. 

1442
01:07:16,680 --> 01:07:18,840
Autistic kids look typical, all 
right. 

1443
01:07:18,880 --> 01:07:21,720
Granted, they might be fucking 
doing all the spinning and 

1444
01:07:21,720 --> 01:07:24,680
stemming and stuff, but a lot of
these kids in Tibetan schools, 

1445
01:07:24,760 --> 01:07:27,080
you know, they've got severe, 
profound needs. 

1446
01:07:27,080 --> 01:07:30,600
They're in wheelchairs, they've 
got hoists, you know, Down 

1447
01:07:30,600 --> 01:07:32,640
syndrome, they've got all sorts.
Of stuff going on, horsies. 

1448
01:07:32,640 --> 01:07:34,840
There's a mixture of health 
conditions, yeah. 

1449
01:07:35,280 --> 01:07:39,520
But if you can get you getting a
specialist school, please do. 

1450
01:07:39,520 --> 01:07:41,640
And I'm sure a lot of you are 
absolutely trying to do that, 

1451
01:07:41,640 --> 01:07:44,000
but. 
There's no way a kid at 5-6 

1452
01:07:44,000 --> 01:07:47,040
years old that is still 
incontinent in nappies, non 

1453
01:07:47,040 --> 01:07:51,760
verbal, you can't communicate 
that is left in a mainstream 

1454
01:07:51,760 --> 01:07:55,840
school soiled for the rest of 
the day. 

1455
01:07:55,840 --> 01:07:59,400
No and. 
That's just it's. 

1456
01:08:00,000 --> 01:08:01,640
Crazy. 
You know, for me that is, that 

1457
01:08:01,640 --> 01:08:02,360
is neglect. 
It is. 

1458
01:08:02,960 --> 01:08:04,360
Neglect. 
OK, what else? 

1459
01:08:04,360 --> 01:08:05,680
No. 
Someone said to me the other day

1460
01:08:05,680 --> 01:08:09,840
we treat animals sometimes 
better than Yeah, disabled kids.

1461
01:08:09,840 --> 01:08:11,760
And I thought about it, and 
after reading some of these, I'd

1462
01:08:11,760 --> 01:08:14,000
probably agree. 
Yeah. 

1463
01:08:14,000 --> 01:08:16,760
You imagine you left a dog in a 
kennel, It just covered in its 

1464
01:08:16,760 --> 01:08:19,120
faeces. 
The RSPCA would straight down 

1465
01:08:19,120 --> 01:08:21,279
there. 
The bloody press would be on 

1466
01:08:21,279 --> 01:08:23,680
you. 
We'll just stick A6 year old 

1467
01:08:23,680 --> 01:08:26,000
girl in there and just leave her
in a mainstream school. 

1468
01:08:26,000 --> 01:08:30,000
They'd probably get paper. 
Fucking ridiculous. 

1469
01:08:30,000 --> 01:08:32,040
Crazy isn't. 
It absolutely ridiculous. 

1470
01:08:32,520 --> 01:08:36,720
So I thought, yeah, I just 
thought that was really 

1471
01:08:36,720 --> 01:08:38,600
important to get. 
I think if anybody wants to keep

1472
01:08:38,720 --> 01:08:42,359
sending stuff in, I think 
regardless of what we're talking

1473
01:08:42,359 --> 01:08:45,880
about, it'd be quite good to 
share some of this stuff just to

1474
01:08:45,880 --> 01:08:51,200
kind of keep everybody aware. 
Maybe you just have a page on 

1475
01:08:51,200 --> 01:08:53,520
the website where just update it
and I put some of these stories 

1476
01:08:53,520 --> 01:08:54,359
in there. 
Brilliant. 

1477
01:08:54,600 --> 01:08:56,040
Exactly. 
People can just go there and go.

1478
01:08:56,399 --> 01:08:59,160
You know what, I'm not alone. 
This this is happening all over 

1479
01:08:59,160 --> 01:09:01,479
the country. 
Yeah, it really is. 

1480
01:09:02,080 --> 01:09:04,040
And again, This is why I keep 
sign posting people to the 

1481
01:09:04,040 --> 01:09:06,040
discord group because you can 
get in there and suddenly go Oh 

1482
01:09:06,120 --> 01:09:07,920
my God, I'm not alone. 
OK. 

1483
01:09:07,920 --> 01:09:10,080
Thank you, Christ. 
And there's a lot of parents 

1484
01:09:10,080 --> 01:09:11,880
there with some very useful 
information. 

1485
01:09:11,880 --> 01:09:14,560
Also information. 
Yeah, I'm learning loads in 

1486
01:09:14,560 --> 01:09:19,359
there and we learnt quite a lot 
from our position by getting 

1487
01:09:19,359 --> 01:09:21,520
messages. 
Yeah, I mean, we're loads in the

1488
01:09:21,520 --> 01:09:23,399
first probably nine months. 
Yeah. 

1489
01:09:24,279 --> 01:09:26,279
But having that Discord group 
and some of the people are like,

1490
01:09:26,279 --> 01:09:27,399
oh, you've seen this, have you 
seen this link? 

1491
01:09:27,520 --> 01:09:28,560
Try doing this. 
Try doing that. 

1492
01:09:28,800 --> 01:09:33,720
Oh, that's genius. 
Yeah, this, this. 

1493
01:09:35,319 --> 01:09:36,560
Yeah. 
One of the good things that is 

1494
01:09:36,560 --> 01:09:39,439
coming out is schools are being 
consulted by proximity, not 

1495
01:09:39,439 --> 01:09:40,920
suitability. 
That seems to be a local 

1496
01:09:40,920 --> 01:09:43,279
authority thing at the moment, 
doesn't it? 

1497
01:09:43,279 --> 01:09:45,840
It's like we'll find out what 
schools local to us rather than 

1498
01:09:45,840 --> 01:09:50,760
what's needed for that child. 
Yeah, yeah. 

1499
01:09:52,160 --> 01:09:53,319
Need more? 
Need more schools? 

1500
01:09:55,480 --> 01:09:57,520
We do need more schools. 
But we need more specialist 

1501
01:09:57,520 --> 01:10:01,640
schools and teachers in 
mainstream schools need more 

1502
01:10:01,640 --> 01:10:03,880
training. 
I think both can be true. 

1503
01:10:03,880 --> 01:10:05,120
It's. 
Difficult. 

1504
01:10:05,120 --> 01:10:08,680
When I look at Shrewsbury 
sometimes and I go, you know, 

1505
01:10:08,720 --> 01:10:14,320
with the, the local councils, 
every month is like, oh, we've 

1506
01:10:14,320 --> 01:10:19,480
just signed a new agreement for 
a, for new houses to be built, a

1507
01:10:19,480 --> 01:10:23,520
new estate or a new development.
We've got another 200 houses 

1508
01:10:23,520 --> 01:10:28,040
being built and then everyone 
goes OK, then we need to build a

1509
01:10:28,040 --> 01:10:31,680
new school and the new schools 
do get built. 

1510
01:10:32,480 --> 01:10:34,720
Happy to, yeah. 
We'll just put a little 

1511
01:10:34,720 --> 01:10:36,280
attachment on there. 
For it's like. 

1512
01:10:36,440 --> 01:10:40,360
Send Kids a little hub there. 
We can take on 15 Send kids and 

1513
01:10:40,360 --> 01:10:42,920
you're just like, yeah, but in 
the last year, a couple of 

1514
01:10:42,920 --> 01:10:46,080
years, the population's 
increased by 10,000 or something

1515
01:10:46,080 --> 01:10:48,920
like that. 
Well, we're not seeing any 

1516
01:10:49,280 --> 01:10:52,560
classes or schools being built 
for special needs kids. 

1517
01:10:53,920 --> 01:10:56,400
Yeah, the evidence is showing 
that there's more children that 

1518
01:10:56,400 --> 01:11:00,560
require that. 
And your alternative is what? 

1519
01:11:00,560 --> 01:11:02,800
Just fit them into mainstream 
schools? 

1520
01:11:03,400 --> 01:11:05,080
When I look at some of the 
mainstream schools, I'm like, 

1521
01:11:05,080 --> 01:11:06,760
they're already at bloody 
capacity. 

1522
01:11:06,960 --> 01:11:09,400
Yeah, like, you've got 30 kids 
in the classroom. 

1523
01:11:10,160 --> 01:11:11,960
It's like, how are you going to 
what? 

1524
01:11:12,160 --> 01:11:15,720
And the staff keep saying this 
and the staff already at the 

1525
01:11:15,720 --> 01:11:17,960
brink and you want to give them 
extra training to deal with 

1526
01:11:18,040 --> 01:11:20,000
extra issues. 
And I joked about this last 

1527
01:11:20,040 --> 01:11:22,200
time. 
And I remember in even when I 

1528
01:11:22,200 --> 01:11:26,640
was at primary school, we were 
so we had two classrooms and I 

1529
01:11:26,640 --> 01:11:29,080
spent a year in one of them. 
They were a portal cabin. 

1530
01:11:29,760 --> 01:11:32,800
Oh yeah. 
On stilts, you know, it felt 

1531
01:11:32,800 --> 01:11:34,960
like a classroom. 
I wasn't part of the main 

1532
01:11:34,960 --> 01:11:37,640
building. 
I was outside in a glorified 

1533
01:11:37,640 --> 01:11:38,240
port. 
Cabin. 

1534
01:11:38,240 --> 01:11:41,240
Yeah, that meal brace. 
Yeah, So what we're going to do 

1535
01:11:41,240 --> 01:11:44,760
now, we'll stick all the same 
kids in port cabins. 

1536
01:11:47,040 --> 01:11:48,440
It's just out of sight, out of 
mind. 

1537
01:11:49,440 --> 01:11:53,280
I dread, I think it would be a 
tear jerk inside mate, I really 

1538
01:11:53,280 --> 01:11:57,080
do. 
And you want to put your legacy 

1539
01:11:57,080 --> 01:11:59,080
to this as a government? 
We need to get the teacher on. 

1540
01:12:00,360 --> 01:12:02,680
We need to get her on. 
You did message. 

1541
01:12:03,280 --> 01:12:06,640
I did see it. 
I didn't reply because I'm just 

1542
01:12:06,640 --> 01:12:08,960
honestly, the amount of messages
we get, we need to get her on 

1543
01:12:08,960 --> 01:12:12,960
because she's actually at a 
mainstream school with a hub and

1544
01:12:12,960 --> 01:12:16,880
she's just kind of been left to 
it and she like adores these 

1545
01:12:16,880 --> 01:12:20,320
kids and and the rest of the 
school. 

1546
01:12:20,480 --> 01:12:21,960
But he's at the school again, 
just doing and. 

1547
01:12:22,080 --> 01:12:23,560
That's the school doing their 
own thing. 

1548
01:12:23,560 --> 01:12:25,880
Yeah, go in. 
No, we have provided something. 

1549
01:12:25,920 --> 01:12:28,320
Yeah, on paper it says that 
we've provided something. 

1550
01:12:28,600 --> 01:12:30,480
The reality is it's not working 
it'd. 

1551
01:12:30,480 --> 01:12:33,760
Be really interesting to get her
perspective on how that's going 

1552
01:12:33,760 --> 01:12:36,440
to work. 
Yeah. 

1553
01:12:36,440 --> 01:12:37,800
Did she get any specialist 
training? 

1554
01:12:38,040 --> 01:12:39,120
I don't know. 
You'd have to ask her. 

1555
01:12:39,120 --> 01:12:40,400
We'll have to find out, but it'd
be. 

1556
01:12:40,440 --> 01:12:42,600
Quite, quite a good one. 
But I'm sure that'd be a story 

1557
01:12:42,600 --> 01:12:44,440
that'd be repeated. 
Yeah, and she's happened to talk

1558
01:12:44,440 --> 01:12:46,200
to us, which kind of surprised 
me because I thought the Pistons

1559
01:12:46,200 --> 01:12:49,360
should be in it might that might
be a bit of an awkward one that.

1560
01:12:49,400 --> 01:12:51,360
She's doing the right thing for 
the kids, absolutely speaking 

1561
01:12:51,400 --> 01:12:51,960
out. 
Absolutely. 

1562
01:12:52,000 --> 01:12:54,440
And she, like she said, she 
adores the kids that she works 

1563
01:12:54,440 --> 01:12:58,520
with. 
So to summarise, Merlin, sort 

1564
01:12:58,520 --> 01:13:00,680
your shit out. 
Yes. 

1565
01:13:01,600 --> 01:13:07,160
You're shit and white paper 
getting delayed a little bit 

1566
01:13:07,160 --> 01:13:09,200
now. 
Are you saying March now? 

1567
01:13:09,240 --> 01:13:10,240
Yeah, it's hard. 
It was. 

1568
01:13:10,720 --> 01:13:15,240
Half term, yeah, but now March. 
Yeah, we'll see. 

1569
01:13:15,280 --> 01:13:17,200
We shall see. 
We shall see. 

1570
01:13:18,960 --> 01:13:21,720
But yeah, are we going to do 
enough on a Monday? 

1571
01:13:22,280 --> 01:13:23,840
Get back in the swing a bit? 
Cool. 

1572
01:13:23,960 --> 01:13:25,280
Yeah. 
Sorry guys, my fault. 

1573
01:13:25,280 --> 01:13:27,840
I've been sick as a dog. 
OK. 

1574
01:13:27,920 --> 01:13:29,360
Thank you, mate. 
Absolute pleasure. 

1575
01:13:29,720 --> 01:13:33,720
Thank you guys. 
That was 28 and well, we'll see.

1576
01:13:33,720 --> 01:13:37,640
On the flip side, if you want to
join, the discord link is in one

1577
01:13:37,640 --> 01:13:42,320
of the BIOS on actually it's 
everywhere, about 250 people in 

1578
01:13:42,320 --> 01:13:44,160
there. 
Now 260, I think 260. 

1579
01:13:44,280 --> 01:13:48,160
Yeah, it's, it's good. 
It's it's nice to see people 

1580
01:13:48,160 --> 01:13:51,520
just talking and sharing their 
experiences and offering advice.

1581
01:13:51,520 --> 01:13:54,680
So yeah, it's helped. 
We all get together weekly. 

1582
01:13:54,880 --> 01:13:57,720
I mean, I didn't last week, so I
was sick in the stem and 

1583
01:13:57,720 --> 01:14:00,280
whistle. 
But even if me and Andy aren't 

1584
01:14:00,280 --> 01:14:03,040
there, everyone else is. 
Yeah, just chatting shit. 

1585
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So thank you very much guys, and
we'll see you on the next one. 

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See you later. 
Bye bye.