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Hello, mate. 
Hello. 

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How's it going? 
I've. 

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Realised that's like like an 
intro really shit intro but 

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hello mate. 
It's a classic intro. 

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Classic can't not do. 
It goes straight to the core of 

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the issue. 
Episode 26? 

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Absolutely mate, we've got so 
much to talk about. 

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I'm looking forward to this. 
I'm absolutely fired. 

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Me too. 
I'm fired up for this one. 

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Fired up mate, I just got Andy 
when he was on his way here he 

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did a little voice note. 
Yeah, very excited, Very 

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excited. 
Yeah, I'm on my way, 

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motherfucker. 
I'm listening to Iron Maiden. 

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Listening to Iron Maiden. 
Let's go. 

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Let's have it. 
In the words of Delia Smith the 

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hooligan, let's be having you. 
Delia Smith, the hooligan, 

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right? 
OK, it's been a bit of a mental 

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week. 
Been a crazy week. 

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Wednesday. 
It was Wednesday, wasn't it? 

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It was. 
Wednesday OK Wednesday morning 

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Hidden 20% podcast with Ben and 
Phoebe. 

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Amazing. 
How cool are they? 

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Absolutely superb, absolutely 
superb. 

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If you haven't checked it out, 
search hidden 20%. 

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You'll probably recognise the 
green dot badge that they have. 

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But yeah, all about the neuro 
diversity community, wherever 

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you fit in there, 20% because 
20% of the population as it 

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stands. 
As it stands. 

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Because neuro diverse, but Ben 
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Ben was suggesting it might 
actually be, did you say 30%? 

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It could be as high, Yeah, it 
could be. 

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I think they're they're, they're
doing a study into it. 

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Mental. 
Not surprising though. 

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Yeah, not surprising at all. 
So we went down there. 

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They were lovely. 
Took a few pointers away from 

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from their podcast. 
Their professional setup that we

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don't, we don't have, which is 
off the cuff. 

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Not this living room, yeah. 
So yeah, really nice guy, really

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nice guys for them. 
Phoebe, she is on the ball. 

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Massively, We were on the ball 
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location, turned up at a studio.
Lady let us in, said well, we're

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here for the this particular 
student. 

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Yeah, no problem at all. 
Come upstairs. 

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We went upstairs, sat in the 
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Offered a coffee. 
Would you like a coffee jam? 

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And yeah, no, it's fine. 
We'll just sit here and warm 

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ourselves up, watch the TV for a
bit, only to find out it's the 

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wrong fucking studio. 
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Wasn't even the right place. 
It was a music studio. 

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And to be fair to us, yeah, we 
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figure it out. 
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And the buzzer went off on the 
door and we were like, oh, 

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someone's letting us in. 
And it wasn't. 

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It was that Lady had it on a 
remote. 

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We told her what the studio was.
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It's up here. 
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So, you know, we thought we were
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weren't. 
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really, really cool place, real 
nice set up, and they were just 

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both. 
He's good at interviewing, 

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Benny's very good, very good. 
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we've kind of been on the 
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Doing anything long form. 
Obviously we did the BBC, but 

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that was just way more free 
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He's just shit hot at asking 
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like an interview, it felt like 
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It was 3 dads having a good 
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It was just so easy. 
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and then we had some time to 
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Yeah, so we just kind of had a 
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Yeah, yeah, Did what all the 
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Sat in a cafe with Macbooks out,
pretending we were working like 

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we were important. 
Watching YouTube videos. 

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So yeah, we did. 
That killed some time, and then 

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we went to the Department of 
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As you do, as you do. 
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enough to be asked to attend the
national SEND conversation. 

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I think it was the final one in 
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it was about effectiveness. 
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So, yeah, you know, we said at 
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afterwards with Minister for 
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know, regardless of what your 
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privilege to actually be invited
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this. 
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that in a tiny, tiny way, you 
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in what's happening. 
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probably think it's already done
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This is kind of a lip service 
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support. 
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to that. 
All we can do is turn up. 

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And it's our waste of 
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First and foremost, like 
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this, we're parents. 
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profound disabilities and that 
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So we're going in there as a, 
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fathers, but also that weight of
expectation, that and 

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responsibility that we are 
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of other parents that feel 
exactly the same as us. 

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Yeah, and the I was feeling the 
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I was feeling the pressure not 
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just to make sure. 
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same. 
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was thinking the same thing. 
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that most people are thinking is
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written. 
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We don't know we're. 
Not Privy to that we. 

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Don't know but we met Georgia, 
really liked her. 

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Yeah, I've, I've, I've got to 
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From a From a personable. 
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let's, let's, let's take the 
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Yeah, if I met, if I. 
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someone called Georgie, you met 
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gone well, no problem at all. 
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was what is in the hour 
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Obviously we have a discussion 
beforehand and she was kind 

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enough to carry on the 
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That surprised me. 
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thought I rushed these people 
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If it was me, I'd be like, get 
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But no, she was happy to to kind
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which is nice. 
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view, I'm at the age now where I
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political party it is. 
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literally my daughter. 
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Thomas. 
I'm sure a lot of people 

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listening here will be going. 
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I will literally probably 
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that's going to give my daughter
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over a fulfilment or potential, 
whatever you want to call it. 

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Yeah, we, we said that last 
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Essentially it's policy now is, 
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and it's all about picking out 
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your host the votes. 
Unfortunately, that's just the 

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way it works because people vote
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If reform ended up coming out 
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world, they get my vote. 
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they came out and said, you know
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is ensuring that send kids get 
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We're going to make sure there's
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budget needs to be. 
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into a world leading country 
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these children get, I'd be like,
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Cool. 
Here's my vote. 

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And that's, that's the way I 
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else, you know, oh, you know, 
taxes have to go up for this. 

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You're going to have to work a 
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I'll do that. 
I'll take that shoulder and I'll

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do that because I have the 
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My daughter doesn't. 
So I'll shoulder all that sort 

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of shit to ensure that whoever's
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Yeah, and that's that's how 
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They vote on what's important to
them and that's why most of the 

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people in this community would 
vote whatever they need to vote 

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on the send issues. 
So we obviously put our 

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questions in. 
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And I suppose the format, we 
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format because a lot of people 
after were saying we were 

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watching this live. 
We couldn't get our questions 

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in. 
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there's each one of these had 
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watch it. 
And the questions that come 

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through were just literally 
every second there's Bang, Bang,

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bang question that that comes 
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And there's no way you can 
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Absolutely not. 
Absolutely not. 

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So the format is, yeah, we're 
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We spoke to the community, said 
what are the key issues here. 

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We try to formulate those into 
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what we've got allocated to us. 
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we we kind of put there. 
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that last question in about the 
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think was appreciated by many 
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form and you've got to bear in 
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other guests, should I call 
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Yeah. 
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you couldn't make it. 
He was on the screen and then 

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the questions that the questions
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people watching. 
So that hour goes really, really

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quick. 
It did flew by. 

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It goes really, really quick. 
Because you see the votes coming

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in dating on the screen. 
We saw those come through a 

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little. 
Bit why those votes are and why 

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we think the votes have gone the
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Nothing was surprising in it. 
I mean, there's nothing 

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surprising at all. 
I mean, I understand the 

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frustration from the community 
100% because the issues that 

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really matter weren't discussed 
until a girl called Layla sent 

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the message in asking about 
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Now it may well have been 
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I wasn't there. 
I've not seen them. 

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In fact, I can't find them 
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We couldn't find the one that we
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But it's the question that keeps
coming up because it's the it's 

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the one that worries people the 
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in mainstream schools who fear 
losing the EHCP. 

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And if they lose the EHCPI think
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long as whatever replaces it is 
as good or better and still has 

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that legal backstop that 
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Knows, I think that's the key 
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the moment, from from a parent's
point of view, and I'll speak 

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personally, but I know a lot of 
people would think this as well 

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from a parent's point of view, 
the EHCP may not be the best 

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thing in the world, right. 
It's it's, it's got it's fault 

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everything else like that. 
But you know, it's the only 

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thing we do have. 
Yeah, at the moment, yeah. 

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You take that away, what 
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What happens to every single 
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Where do we go? 
Where's the accountability side 

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of things there? 
So we're almost like, do you 

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know what, it might not be 
working, but because there's so 

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much uncertainty, we're not 
getting the information that we 

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need. 
I'd rather hold on to the thing 

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that I know does exist because 
the uncertainty of of knowing if

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if it's something's going to 
come through which is worse. 

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Yeah. 
They must not come through. 

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That's even better. 
But they haven't told us. 

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But because we don't know and 
there's so much uncertainty and 

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our lives are governed by so 
much fucking crap that we have 

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to deal with, we're very much 
like, well, I'm going to hold on

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to this for the time being. 
And with your questionnaire, we 

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saw some of the comments 
afterwards. 

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Every time that question is kind
of battered away, it feeds into 

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that kind of, you know, self 
preservation thing that we all 

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have going. 
Why aren't you just saying what?

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Why won't you just say, we're 
still looking at it, we haven't 

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got any decision. 
Why are you kind of and that? 

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Or, or why aren't you saying, 
yeah, it's going and no, there 

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won't be a legal backstop or 
framework around it. 

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If that just say it because I'm 
really open that whatever does 

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come out, I I don't know why the
I don't know why that's the one 

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thing they won't answer. 
That's the thing that's screw in

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my head. 
Like just saying I'm not going 

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to answer that. 
I'm sure they have a reason, I'm

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sure she has a reason. 
I just wish I knew what that 

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reason. 
Was as do millions of other 

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fans. 
Very much just get shut down 

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now, like you just said. 
After that conversation, I was 

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surprised that Georgia continued
to say, Gaz, can you can we talk

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about that again? 
I was like, holy shit, OK, this,

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you know, like you said, it 
could have been get these guys 

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out of the building. 
It wasn't she. 

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She continued to want to have a 
dialogue about it. 

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Still didn't get an answer, of 
course, but I appreciated the 

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dialogue. 
And what really surprised me was

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that she made the suggestion 
about coming on the podcast to 

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have more of a long form 
conversation. 

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And this wasn't us pushing it at
all. 

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No, I wouldn't have even. 
I wouldn't have even tried 

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because I just assumed she'd say
no. 

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So when the suggestion came from
her side, I was like, oh, OK, 

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yeah, that really impressed me 
because a long form conversation

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with a politician that's that's 
a place that not a lot of people

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want to put themselves. 
And it's also it could be quite 

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an uncomfortable place to put 
yourself. 

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Which is why they don't want to 
do it. 

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Yeah, that's what. 
I mean, so we, we initially had 

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our train journey back to London
and back to to Shropshire. 

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And it was very much, that was 
very interesting that she said 

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that and thinking, well, was it 
just kind of being polite? 

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The following day we had a 
e-mail from her team with 

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various other bodies cut into it
saying the minister would like 

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to come on and do a podcast, 
suggest times and dates. 

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And then the following day, I 
think it was a, a media manager 

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from the department had a teams 
call with us to discuss it 

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further. 
So I'd like it. 

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I mean, I, I think for that for 
everything everybody thinks and 

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I totally understand why they 
think it because I think it, but

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credit where it's due. 
So for that, I'm like, OK, 

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that's that. 
That's something you didn't have

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to do. 
You didn't have to suggest. 

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And there will be a lot of 
people going, you know that. 

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And I get this as well because 
I'm, I'm like this with certain 

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politicians is like straight 
away I'm like, Nah, you're a so 

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and so. 
Pharmacy. 

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Even without, even without 
knowing anything about them, 

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I'll be like, no, you're, you're
a so and so. 

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But the important thing is it's 
all very well us sitting on the 

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sidelines casting judgement and 
like making assumptions. 

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It's much better to be having 
some form of dialogue. 

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Keep the door open. 
Keep the door open so we can get

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points across. 
We can the common themes that 

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are coming out with the 
community and what people are 

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really stressed about, really 
worried about in the hope that 

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it is taken on board and it is 
listened to and more 

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importantly, it's acted upon. 
And I think that's what we need 

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to to keep in in mind. 
And I know there are a few 

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comments after you asked your 
question. 

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It appeared that some people 
said Georgia was laughing in 

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her. 
I had to watch that back. 

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I watched it back a couple of 
times because I didn't remember 

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her laughing in the room it it 
was very much a nervous. 

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It felt like awkward to me. 
It felt like a a bit of a 

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nervous. 
I do not for a second think that

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that she was laughing at 
anyone's situations, like at 

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all. 
Absolutely not. 

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It it did feel like maybe a bit 
of a nervous, oh, God, this is 

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another question I can't answer.
Yeah, and it was, I mean, for 

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the last bit, it was like, we've
got 6 minutes. 

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Has anyone else got questions 
they want to ask? 

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And I thought, oh, brilliant, 
because that that question from 

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Layla, there was kind of parts 
to it. 

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And that was the one part that 
wasn't answered. 

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Or if it had been, I even said 
to her, if you have answered 

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this, I apologise. 
I just want to make sure it's 

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clear because I don't remember 
getting an answer for that part 

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of the question. 
So I was just really glad we had

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the opportunity to get, get that
in. 

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But All in all, I thought it was
a positive thing just because I 

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think the doors open. 
It's remained open. 

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Yeah. 
And. 

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And that could only be a good 
thing for further conversations 

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down the road. 
Yeah. 

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What they're not going to do is 
leave the door open to people 

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that are just giving him a hard 
time giving him shit. 

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Well, if there's no benefit to 
it, exactly why would you not? 

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I'd be the same in every aspect 
of my life. 

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Instead of dealing with kind of 
business or people, if they were

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going to act like that, I'd just
be, well, there's no, there's no

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commonality about this. 
Why should we engage in any form

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of dialogue? 
It won't be constructive. 

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So it's kind of bearing that in 
mind. 

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But at the same time, we all 
share the same frustrations, but

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we have to try and check them 
for the time being, yeah. 

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Walking a fine line. 
It is walking a fine line. 

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It may be the case that the 
white paper comes out and then 

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we go, well, it's out now. 
It isn't what we were expecting,

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No. 
And then we can go hammer and 

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tongue. 
Yeah. 

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Or it's not what we were 
expecting and it's actually 

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great. 
Yeah, no, that would be even 

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better. 
Because we're not expecting, 

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yeah. 
That would be even better 

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expected to be positive. 
I'd love that to be the case. 

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But again, that's that self 
preservation thing is we're kind

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of expecting it to be awful 
because when it does, if it does

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come out and it's awful, it's 
kind of hit our expectations. 

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It's a difficult one. 
We talk about the weight of 

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responsibility and we're only a 
tiny minute part of this 

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community doing what we do. 
And I felt the weight 

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responsibility going in there to
make sure that we we do get our 

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points across there from her 
point of view as well. 

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You've got the weight and 
responsibility of millions of 

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families across this country. 
And not just that, you've got 

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the weight and responsibility of
all those parents that are going

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to have children in the future 
that don't even know they're 

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going to have kids that are in 
this system. 

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So you have the opportunity to 
go down and I'm going to say 

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history, but you know what I 
mean? 

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You've got the opportunity to go
down in history as somebody that

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made a huge difference to these 
families and that will be 

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acknowledged, that will be 
received. 

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On the flip side of that, you 
could be that politician that 

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your name is just, I don't want 
to hear it. 

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I don't. 
And we all know a certain Prime 

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Minister where certain people 
can't hear her name. 

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And it's, I'm not saying it's to
that extent, but to those 

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families, it means that much. 
It absolutely means that much. 

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You either get it right, do it 
properly, or you just. 

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And even just, and we were there
like we have no clue where it's 

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going. 
Like we were, as you know from 

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from the position we were in as 
civilians, I suppose we were as 

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close as you could get to the 
answers and we still don't know 

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what's going to happen. 
But that that that 

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accountability about legal 
rights. 

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That's the big. 
Bit well, accountability about 

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legal rights, but I that's 
fucking meaningless. 

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I even said to yeah, because 
it's not accountability. 

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It's not accountability, is it 
I? 

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Even said to it, like when I 
asked that question, I said 

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like, you know, like the EHCP 
does. 

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And then I said, well, well, 
actually the EHCP isn't doing it

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now. 
Yeah. 

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I mean, yes, there's a legal 
backstop to it and there is a 

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legal framework around it, but 
still no one getting held to 

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account. 
Yeah, that's it. 

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When it goes wrong? 
When it goes wrong about what, 

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80% of the time, yeah. 
So, yeah, we're all asking for a

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legal framework. 
Well, we've already got one and 

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it's not working well. 
It's it's what's it like? 

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It's like putting up, you know, 
putting up speed limits on the 

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on the roads, but then having no
police to check it. 

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Yeah, yeah, it'd be like, well, 
what's the point of it? 

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It's just a sign. 
It means absolutely nothing. 

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And it could be the exactly the 
same. 

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Well, whatever comes in, if they
do replete place EHCPS, 

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whatever, whatever they're going
to do if there's no 

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accountability attached to it, 
No, what is the point? 

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Bet again, to your point 
earlier, we're just holding on 

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to this. 
Yeah, we are. 

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It's all we've got. 
So yeah, OK, if it's kind of 

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pointless at the minute because 
yeah, there's a legal framework 

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around it and non's doing Jack 
shit. 

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Well, at least there's a legal 
framework. 

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We just need people to do shit 
to fucking to defend it. 

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But yeah, it's yeah, it's it's 
weird when you get to when you 

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get to meet them in person. 
And I didn't get any bullshit 

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politician. 
I've met a few politicians and 

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didn't get that vibe offer. 
No, I didn't. 

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Get it? 
I know what you mean. 

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Yeah, there's an air about. 
You can just. 

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I didn't get that at all. 
Your spider sensors are on it. 

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Yeah, And maybe I'm being naive.
I just. 

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I didn't feel it. 
No. 

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And that made me go, OK, all 
right, because I was a cynic 

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going in. 
We both were. 

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We bought. 
We walked in there very cynical.

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And I walked outgoing. 
OK, all right, let's see where 

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this goes. 
But we don't. 

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We'll have to wait and see. 
And hopefully we'll get her on 

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before the white paper is 
released. 

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And maybe after. 
Maybe after, that'd be great. 

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Do both. 
I think after might be a more 

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difficult conversation for her 
potentially because there's 

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going to be a lot of questions. 
Again, I'm assuming the worst. 

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If she knows it's going to be 
great, come on after. 

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It'd be amazing. 
All you'll be getting is 

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everyone singing you praises. 
Well, this is it. 

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This is absolutely it. 
But there's like, again, the 

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messages coming through 
regarding this and where is it 

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We've had so many again, I mean,
we talk about that we're 

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fortunate in in only in this 
sense when it comes to 

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educational settings and, and, 
and kind of that framework is 

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that because our kids are 
profoundly. 

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Yeah, they're not going. 
To be autistic, they're EHCP 

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safe. 
That's off the table. 

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So we could have gone hard. 
You know what? 

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Great, that's us done. 
But there are so many families 

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out there who, you know, we 
called them the send betweeners 

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that are in mainstream school, 
they'd have an EHCP which does 

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help them to a certain degree 
and gives them that kind of 

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extra assistance. 
But then like I've had a message

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today and I can't get my fucking
head around this. 

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That and a family to get their 
kid the placement they needed 

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£55,000. 
Where did that come through? 

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Remortgage their fucking house 
to get the kid the placement 

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they needed and support was. 
That was that. 

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Instagram, that's on Facebook 
that. 

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Was Facebook. 
That's Facebook today and Karen,

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if you're watching this, you saw
you saw the the one hour session

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that we did to get her child the
help they needed. 

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We had to remortgage our house 
£55,000. 

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What fucking country are we 
living in to get the support you

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need for your child, even though
there is a framework in place at

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the moment, you've got to 
remortgage your house. 

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Is there a kid assembetweener? 
Assembetweener Assembetweener. 

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And some people don't know use 
to mortgage. 

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It's disgusting that they had to
do that in the first place. 

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You work your ass off to get to 
where you are and you want to 

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get your child the education 
they deserve. 

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That's 55. 
We had another person last week,

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30,000. 
Pounds. 

452
00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:55,520
Sorry, what fucking parents? 
Yeah. 

453
00:21:56,480 --> 00:21:58,160
Oh my God, that's like. 
Absolutely. 

454
00:21:58,160 --> 00:21:58,760
You. 
You. 

455
00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:01,560
Disgusting that they had to but.
Disgusting that you had to, but 

456
00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:05,000
honestly, I don't know if it's 
just you, Karen or your family 

457
00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:08,040
as well, but you stand tall. 
You stand tall. 

458
00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:13,040
But how on earth we get to the 
situation where we now go, any 

459
00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:16,280
spare money you've got, you've 
got to sink into this as if we 

460
00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:18,440
don't have enough to do on a 
day-to-day basis. 

461
00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:21,880
Now you're going to put yourself
through financial stress on top 

462
00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:25,480
of everything else to get your 
kid what they deserve. 

463
00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:29,360
And again, no, you kind of 
touched about it there. 

464
00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:31,160
Obviously you haven't got a 
house to remortgage. 

465
00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:32,960
We don't have the financial 
means to do that. 

466
00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:35,840
Obviously your child, we're 
going to start going into this 

467
00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:37,960
pattern where. 
And that's where actually most 

468
00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:39,240
people are in this in between 
us. 

469
00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:42,760
Yeah, that's where most of them 
are, so. 

470
00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:49,720
This is why families, parents, 
they get so invested in this 

471
00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:52,120
because it's the absolute 
everything to them. 

472
00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:56,040
And that's why I'm trying to go 
back to you like you have the 

473
00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:59,360
opportunity to, to kind of get 
this right and do the right 

474
00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:02,960
thing for families. 
Or is it, as some of the cynical

475
00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:05,160
people will say, well, the 
reform is just another word for 

476
00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:07,840
we're we're we're spunking too 
much money at the wall. 

477
00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:10,000
We need to bring it back a 
little bit, let's call it 

478
00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:12,960
reform, change things and we'll 
have to, we can offset the cost 

479
00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:15,040
a bit more. 
And that sounds crazy if you're 

480
00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:17,360
listening in, but that is what a
lot of families think this is 

481
00:23:17,360 --> 00:23:19,440
about. 
Yeah, it comes down to 

482
00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:26,400
expenditure or miss expenditure.
55 grand. £55,000 and I bet you 

483
00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:28,360
now what's? 
That on What's the 55 grand on? 

484
00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:30,400
Legal, OH. 
Fuck yeah. 

485
00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:32,200
Legal. 
Probably because. 

486
00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:35,000
They would have loved that. 
Yeah, the barristers would have 

487
00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:37,600
been absolutely loving that. 
I mean the fact that there's an 

488
00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:39,640
industry built around. 
This about that one on fucking 

489
00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:41,880
longer than it needed to. 
Yeah, of course it will do. 

490
00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:45,360
Yeah, I'm sure that local 
authorities like to drag it out 

491
00:23:45,360 --> 00:23:47,400
in the hope that people just go.
I've run out of money. 

492
00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:49,840
Yeah, and the barrister doesn't,
and Legal Aid love dragging it 

493
00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:51,560
out because they keep getting 
paid for every time they rock 

494
00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:52,720
up. 
They get paid for every fucking.

495
00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:54,880
E-mail they get absolutely. 
And we've had this good 

496
00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:58,520
conversation about tribunals. 
We even said it off camera to to

497
00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:00,960
Georgia as well, that the 
impression a lot of people have 

498
00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:03,800
and from their personal 
experiences is that we'll put 

499
00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:05,800
you through tribunal. 
Oh, we said that on the call. 

500
00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:07,640
Yeah, that's on the. 
Call, we said we'll put you 

501
00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:13,080
through to tribunal and it works
out cheaper for the local 

502
00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:16,280
authority to incur those legal 
costs than put the kid into a 

503
00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:18,880
placement. 
Yeah, absolutely, absolutely. 

504
00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:23,600
Again, with very little thought 
gone to the effect that this has

505
00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:26,440
on the family and the child in 
question. 

506
00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:27,840
No, I'm not sure there's any 
thought. 

507
00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:29,960
I think it's purely just 
financial decisions, isn't it? 

508
00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:31,320
That's all it is. 
I think it is. 

509
00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:34,040
And it's very easy to do when 
you're sat behind the screen 

510
00:24:34,360 --> 00:24:35,960
sending those emails out. 
Yeah. 

511
00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:39,600
Or maybe get off your ass, see 
these families, spend some time 

512
00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:43,800
with them, see what they're 
going through day-to-day, and 

513
00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:48,760
take it back with you. 
But that is fucking ridiculous. 

514
00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:51,440
And that's one person, and I bet
I know you've said this Exactly.

515
00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:53,000
We're going to get inundated 
with families going. 

516
00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:54,600
This is how much we've had to 
do. 

517
00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:55,800
This is how much we've had to 
do. 

518
00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:57,240
Yeah. 
This is the sacrifices that 

519
00:24:57,240 --> 00:24:59,000
we've had to make. 
I've had to give up my job. 

520
00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:02,640
I now stay at home. 
All my dreams for myself and my 

521
00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:04,040
career gone. 
Yeah. 

522
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:08,120
And then we have to think about 
this until the day we die. 

523
00:25:08,120 --> 00:25:10,920
Yeah. 
It's fucked. 

524
00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:14,280
So that's why people. 
United Kingdom What? 

525
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:15,640
The fuck? 
Yeah. 

526
00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:18,400
Greatest country in the world. 
I know, Yeah. 

527
00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:23,160
OK. 
Anything else on that? 

528
00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:24,920
I think that's probably enough 
of this rent. 

529
00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:27,840
Cool God. 
I think so. 

530
00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:35,840
OK, next bit, the fun bit, 
Stemming whistle. 

531
00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:38,880
Stemming whistle. 
Stemming whistle. 

532
00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:40,800
Well, actually, because there's 
the stemming. 

533
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:42,440
We should probably explain this.
We should explain this. 

534
00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:43,320
Really. 
Yeah, absolutely. 

535
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:47,680
OK, in 30 seconds go. 
We have two communities. 

536
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:49,320
No, we don't. 
We have one community. 

537
00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:51,560
It's a Discord Alters and 
Dadcast community. 

538
00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:55,560
Yeah, inside that community is a
free bit, which is probably 

539
00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:59,480
where most of the, that's where 
most of the information 

540
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:02,560
interaction is. 
And then there's a little bit 

541
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:04,320
and the little bit is called the
Stem and Whistle. 

542
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:06,640
And that's the pub, that's the 
virtual pub. 

543
00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:12,600
Now, the Stem and Whistle, it's 
£4 a month, pound a week, 13 PA 

544
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:14,840
day. 
If you want to be a part of the 

545
00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:16,960
community and you also want to 
be a part of that, that's the 

546
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:18,560
£4. 
Essentially what you get for 

547
00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:22,520
that is Saturday night lock 
insurance, Lock insurance. 

548
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:23,640
It was a lock in. 
It was a lock. 

549
00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:25,920
In it went up for 2 1/2 hours. 
Yeah, you were. 

550
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:27,960
Basically you're sitting on a 
video chat with a shit load of 

551
00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:30,280
people and we're all just 
drinking if you want to drink 

552
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:33,120
and just chatting. 
Or for some people they're just 

553
00:26:33,120 --> 00:26:35,320
sitting there and listening. 
Yeah, some people are very 

554
00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:37,600
comfortable or, you know, to sit
back and listen. 

555
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:40,360
Some people, you know, yeah, 
probably have anxiety and are a 

556
00:26:40,360 --> 00:26:42,520
bit shy because they haven't 
been able to communicate with 

557
00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:44,280
anybody about this sort of 
stuff. 

558
00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:49,920
So it's basically because we 
don't get to go out very often 

559
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:52,880
anymore, or it's difficult to 
get babysitters and you just 

560
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:56,240
feel a little bit isolated and 
you don't have people that 

561
00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:59,960
absolutely get what it's like. 
We thought, you know what, it'd 

562
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:02,000
be great to have a pub, but we 
can't go to a pub. 

563
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:05,760
So we create a virtual one and 
you can sit there, put your 

564
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:08,040
camera on, leave your camera 
off, joining the conversation, 

565
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:12,640
listening and just chew the fat,
have a good crack, have a bit of

566
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:15,720
a laugh. 
And yeah, it was a bit of a slow

567
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:18,440
start. 
Everyone was, everyone was very 

568
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:20,840
kind of like, oh, I don't, or 
who's going to speak first? 

569
00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:22,480
Sorry, I need to give a shout 
out to Zoe. 

570
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:24,000
I've got to give a shout out to 
Zoe. 

571
00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:26,880
Zoe. 
She lied to us. 

572
00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:30,200
To be fair, Zoe's probably the 
reason everybody started fucking

573
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:30,960
talking. 
Yeah, she said. 

574
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:32,800
She was shy. 
She said she was shy. 

575
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:34,320
She is not shy. 
She's not. 

576
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:39,000
She was the life of the party, 
but I'm grateful because she was

577
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:41,280
so much the life of the party. 
Everybody else talking. 

578
00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:43,200
She was making everyone laugh 
and everyone else was talking 

579
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:44,960
and then it just it was just in 
free flow. 

580
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:49,080
So stim and whistle. 
Couple of rooms in there. 

581
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:51,560
As we get more people, we're 
going to put more live rooms. 

582
00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:53,800
There's a games room in there. 
There's a smaller video room. 

583
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:56,160
It's a little bit more intimate.
There's like a maximum of four 

584
00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:57,400
people. 
If you want to sit in there and 

585
00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:00,120
just have a bit more of a 
private chat, you can go in 

586
00:28:00,120 --> 00:28:01,960
there also. 
This is a really good point. 

587
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:04,400
Yes, we do have these events 
where weekly we're going to be 

588
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:06,400
in there, but you can go in 
there whenever you like. 

589
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:08,880
If any of you just want to go in
there and sit in the video and 

590
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:10,920
chat with each other. 
We're going to build this. 

591
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:12,680
We ain't stopping. 
We're going to, we're going to 

592
00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:14,640
build this up. 
So if you, if you're a part of 

593
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:18,120
the stem and whistle, you know, 
you can just pop in there like 

594
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:20,960
any other pub at any point. 
And if there's someone that sees

595
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:23,200
you in there, they'll join in 
and you can have a, you know, a 

596
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:25,640
chat with a stranger or somebody
you've you've kind of had a chat

597
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:26,560
with before. 
And that's it. 

598
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:28,920
Actually, just by being in the 
room, if you look down you can 

599
00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:30,080
see if there's anyone in there 
and. 

600
00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:32,480
Just pop in and jump in and 
we'll do our best to get in 

601
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:34,440
there where we can. 
But going back to the. 

602
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:37,040
The free bits that. 
The free bit is the discord 

603
00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:38,320
right? 
That's been going crazy today. 

604
00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:41,240
And that is, that is growing 
very, very quickly actually. 

605
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:44,800
And that's where you go. 
You can introduce yourself, tell

606
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:47,680
people about you know what your 
story is and so, but everybody's

607
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:50,280
responding, interacting with 
everybody, which is great You 

608
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:52,520
can go there there's a section 
for sharing wins. 

609
00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:57,160
You know how to deal with forms,
fighting the forms, everything 

610
00:28:57,160 --> 00:28:58,640
else like that. 
So we've got a page on that 

611
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:03,840
we've created ADHD 1A non verbal
11 about mobility, sleep, PDA, 

612
00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:06,680
ARFID. 
There's a resources page that is

613
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:09,640
getting updated constantly and 
there's. 

614
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:10,800
Carl. 
Shout out to Carl. 

615
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:14,440
Carl who's looking after that 
and one of the dads and my 

616
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:19,320
favourite the night shift. 
So if you if you are awake at 

617
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:22,880
1:00 AM, there's a dedicated 
room for on the Discord to go 

618
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:24,720
there. 
So yeah basically you know we've

619
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:27,400
got this Instagram community 
which is growing we've started 

620
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:30,280
focus on Facebook over the last 
couple of weeks, which is has 

621
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:36,120
grown 666000 over the weekend, 
which is a bit nuts TikTok and 

622
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:37,800
everything else like that. 
But we wanted something else 

623
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:41,080
where we can have like 
information for everybody to 

624
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:44,320
kind of dabble into, and then 
this kind of social aspect where

625
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:47,000
you can join in at the stemming 
whistle. 

626
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:49,120
Exactly, and if you don't want 
to join the stemming whistle, 

627
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:52,200
there is a shit load of rooms, 
shit load of people to talk to 

628
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:57,600
and they've all been amazing. 
Yeah, like we, we, we just my. 

629
00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:00,560
Phone's going Ding Ding Ding, 
everyone's just talking to each 

630
00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:03,960
other, sharing, giving help and 
it's just if you don't want to 

631
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:06,760
pay the £4 there's a shit load 
of value in the free bit. 

632
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:10,160
Yeah, absolutely. 
If I'd add this when Thomas was 

633
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:12,040
like 18 months old. 
Yeah. 

634
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:15,040
And that's exactly why we've 
done this. 

635
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:17,040
We've been listening to what 
everyone's been saying. 

636
00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:20,560
We want to kind of create the 
autism diecast so we have as 

637
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:23,760
much available to anybody that's
going through the same thing 

638
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:25,400
that we've been through or was 
going through. 

639
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:29,040
Just have all that information 
resources there and just really 

640
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:30,800
hammer the point that this is a 
community. 

641
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:33,960
Yeah, that we are, you know, no 
matter where you are in this 

642
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:36,240
country. 
Again, worldwide, we've got 

643
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:39,520
people in the States, Australia,
New Zealand messaging US, 

644
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:42,760
Canada, Zambia, Zambia, 
obviously big in Zambia now, 

645
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:49,520
Malta, as well as Malta, UAE. 
You know, this is the one thing 

646
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:50,880
that unites everybody. 
Yeah. 

647
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:53,720
And we've said this many, many 
times before, it doesn't matter 

648
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:56,200
what job you have, what 
background you have, where you 

649
00:30:56,200 --> 00:31:00,280
live in the world. 
We all had the same hopes and 

650
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:03,240
dreams for our kids. 
We all had the same kind of 

651
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:05,880
expectation of what that child 
was going to be like. 

652
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:09,000
And this thing just unifies 
every single one of us because 

653
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:11,480
then we just go through. 
Oh, right. 

654
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:14,080
Yeah, yeah. 
That that's the that's the thing

655
00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:16,320
that really stands out is that 
we've had conversations with 

656
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:21,120
people that I'm not going to 
name drop or anything, but we've

657
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:23,760
had conversations with people 
that have pretty affluent. 

658
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:27,160
They're doing OK, but it doesn't
change as sausage. 

659
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:31,240
They're in exactly the same 
emotional turmoil than the rest 

660
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:33,040
of us are in. 
And that's where it kind of 

661
00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:35,000
just, it evens the playing 
field, as it were. 

662
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:39,000
So when did it go up? 
It went up on Saturday. 

663
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:42,680
Saturday we pushed it out. 
Yeah, I was busy fixing any 

664
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:45,040
teething problems. 
Yeah, I was on the website. 

665
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:47,400
Yeah. 
Oh yeah, we have a website now. 

666
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:52,440
Yeah, we have a website. 
So if you do want to join, it's 

667
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:55,000
free, just drop in. 
There's links all over the 

668
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:56,520
place. 
Go to the the link tree. 

669
00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:57,920
You'll find the the link in 
there. 

670
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:00,080
It's dead easy. 
Just follow it, download the app

671
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:03,360
and you've got the app on your 
phone and you won't want to turn

672
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:05,960
the notifications off because 
it's been just dinging all day, 

673
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:08,840
which is good because it means 
everyone's interacting with each

674
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:10,880
other. 
But it's just been really cool. 

675
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:13,040
I thought it was really cool 
where we had like this, you 

676
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:15,960
know, from the Christmas, you 
know, we met people at the 

677
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:18,600
Christmas special thing and we 
got to talk about this is really

678
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:23,400
cool at another level now. 
There's so many people in there 

679
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:26,000
and there's people that we 
haven't met or interacted with 

680
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:29,160
maybe directly on Instagram. 
They've got so much value to 

681
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:31,600
provide the to provide the 
people on the platform. 

682
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:32,680
Well, this is. 
Fucking nuts. 

683
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:35,000
People we've never spoke to have
got so much information. 

684
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:37,040
No, you the great. 
You know, we said this 

685
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:39,720
Instagram, we put a reel up and 
it could be about a specific 

686
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:42,800
tiny topic and then people kind 
of comment and everything else 

687
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:45,840
like that. 
But if you ask a question, the 

688
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:47,560
chances are most people are 
going to probably miss that 

689
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:49,560
question and not you're not 
going to get a response. 

690
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:52,000
So we had a bit of a think, how 
do we get round that? 

691
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:55,160
And and this seemed the logical 
ways that oh, we'll create a 

692
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:58,960
discord and then, you know, give
subtitles or subsections into 

693
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:00,440
it. 
And then you can go in there 

694
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:02,080
say, look, guys, I'm struggling 
with this. 

695
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:03,240
Yeah, great. 
Here. 

696
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:05,400
Everyone is just piling in. 
If it's try this try. 

697
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:07,960
That me, she was sleep. 
I'm going in the sleep room, 

698
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:09,840
guys. 
The only answer you're going to 

699
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:12,760
get in that room is about sleep,
because what you don't do is get

700
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:14,720
drained out by all the other 
stuff, which kind of we found 

701
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:16,560
yesterday people started talking
in the general chat about 

702
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:18,640
Motability. 
So we've made a Motability 

703
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:22,360
section and you could drop links
in there to products or cars or 

704
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:24,400
seats. 
Same with the HCPS, you know, 

705
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:26,640
everything else like that, 
You'll, you'll have people with 

706
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:28,520
personal lived in experience 
going. 

707
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:32,040
You know they say try this, but 
it didn't work. 

708
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:33,360
Yeah, yeah, it didn't work for 
me. 

709
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:35,400
But I tried this, which is 
completely random and it just 

710
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:37,800
seemed to to crack it. 
So you go, right. 

711
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:39,360
Yeah, I'll give that a shot. 
Yeah. 

712
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:42,240
So again, that's a free service.
Yeah, it's not a service, but 

713
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:43,640
it's a free. 
Just a place in it. 

714
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:44,520
Yeah, just. 
A place, just a. 

715
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:46,200
Place to drop in just. 
Trying to keep building it. 

716
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:49,480
Go in, introduce yourself if you
can. 

717
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:52,160
It's just not. 
I think the introduction channel

718
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:54,600
is just nice because people drop
in, give themselves an intro and

719
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:56,560
see very quickly how much 
welcome. 

720
00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:58,880
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. 
Everyone else is really nice. 

721
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:02,440
Absolutely. 
So yeah, that's been, that's 

722
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:04,960
been since Saturday and it's 
just I can't keep off my phone 

723
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:06,560
mate. 
No, it's constantly going. 

724
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:08,679
It's just like just just nice 
going in there and just reading 

725
00:34:08,679 --> 00:34:10,480
all the messages and. 
I think this is the year we 

726
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:13,679
really do build on the autism 
diecast, yeah. 

727
00:34:13,679 --> 00:34:17,000
And solidify this community and 
yeah, and just make it that 

728
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:19,719
place where everybody that's 
going through what we're going 

729
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:21,520
through goes, Right. 
I can go there. 

730
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:26,840
And hopefully we come across as 
honest, decent human beings. 

731
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:29,920
And we're obviously trying to do
the right thing for for our 

732
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:31,760
children as well as the 
community as well. 

733
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:34,000
And I think we've said this year
we're just going to keep 

734
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:36,280
doubling down on that and making
sure that is what we do. 

735
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:40,040
And if we can be used as Jesus 
Christ sound crazier? 

736
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:44,760
If we can be used as a conduit, 
A conduit, A conduit for for 

737
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:49,560
good words I thought I'd never 
say, then, then so be it. 

738
00:34:49,639 --> 00:34:52,080
Yeah, we'll absolutely do it. 
And if we have to keep going 

739
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:55,120
down to London or wherever it is
to have these conversations and.

740
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:58,760
Well, that's kind of it. 
Why this paid bit is? 

741
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:01,160
Oh yeah, you're taking the 
pressure off because yeah, the 4

742
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:02,360
LB. 
We're trying to make it as cheap

743
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:05,280
as possible to. 
Still cover £200 a day for. 

744
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:08,440
A job, yeah, it's four. 
It's £4 to join the the stem and

745
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:10,960
whistle. 
This isn't us going to a Swiss 

746
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:13,400
bank now and leaving the country
or anything else like that. 

747
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:17,200
You made a point kind of the 
editing software that we have to

748
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:20,440
use and everything else is the 
various subscriptions that we 

749
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:22,200
have to do for. 
Even Linktree. 

750
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:23,680
For you know. 
Linktree. 

751
00:35:23,720 --> 00:35:25,960
Just to put all your links in 
one place, you have to pay for 

752
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:26,440
linktree. 
Oh. 

753
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:28,640
My God. 
Yeah, but the the. 

754
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:31,560
Train is what hit me the other 
day to London. 

755
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:34,760
You know, we take a day off work
to go to and this is, it's not 

756
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:36,440
us just fucking moaning about 
it. 

757
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:38,720
We're just trying to give a bit 
of perspective as to why it's £4

758
00:35:38,720 --> 00:35:40,920
a month, yeah. 
That's actually why, because I 

759
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:43,920
don't want to charge anybody. 
No, we'd rather everything was 

760
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:46,640
free and that's why, you know, 
we, we haven't signed up to any 

761
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:47,840
deals or anything else like 
that. 

762
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:51,400
Yeah, but like taking a day of 
work, going down to do the 

763
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:56,040
Hidden 20% podcast, going down 
to the Department for Education,

764
00:35:57,160 --> 00:36:00,040
we lose a day of work and then 
it's £200 each. 

765
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:03,040
Yeah. 
To out of our own pocket with no

766
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:04,960
reimbursement. 
No or anything else. 

767
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:08,840
BBC The BBC Did the BBC. 
Two, I got ABA quick back for my

768
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:10,840
train. 
Yeah, yeah, they they did. 

769
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:15,760
So fair play to the BBC. 
Obviously nothing from the 

770
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:19,160
government, Yeah, but that's, 
that's it, isn't it? 

771
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:20,560
But yeah. 
It's the government because 

772
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:22,560
actually if they did pay us 
back, it'd be taxpayers money. 

773
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:23,560
They'd be paying us back with 
no. 

774
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:27,600
It's awkward, isn't it? 
There's no money in the coffers 

775
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:31,120
anymore. 
So yeah, that's, that's all it 

776
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:32,840
is. 
So we it's not even touching the

777
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:34,760
side of the barrels, but it 
would just make a bit of a date 

778
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:36,560
and it might even pay for one of
the subscriptions or something 

779
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:38,240
that we pay on a monthly. 
Basis, Yeah, I think, I think 

780
00:36:38,240 --> 00:36:41,200
it, it will now so far, yeah, 
it'll pay, it'll pay for it. 

781
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:44,360
So please. 
Please join SO and thank you. 

782
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:47,000
Because it's helping us pay for 
the subscription so we can carry

783
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:49,680
on doing this, this podcast. 
Which we absolutely want to do. 

784
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:50,720
Yeah, because I love it. 
It's great. 

785
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:53,040
Has your has your week been with
Lydia? 

786
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:54,680
It's been good. 
Yeah. 

787
00:36:54,720 --> 00:36:56,280
It's it's actually been good. 
Yeah. 

788
00:36:57,720 --> 00:37:03,040
She's doing really well at 
school, no issues in going in, 

789
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:06,480
no issues in coming home, Sleep 
sleep. 

790
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:10,720
Monday to Friday we noticed this
sleep was pretty much nailed on.

791
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:17,760
We're talking like half 7 till 
59 till maybe 6. 

792
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:22,320
Dare I say it, first day of the 
weekend, Saturday when she had 

793
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:24,160
no school up at 1:00 in the 
morning. 

794
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:27,720
OK. 
She knows she's counting the 

795
00:37:27,720 --> 00:37:28,800
days. 
She must know the only thing. 

796
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:32,200
I can presume is either school 
is absolutely wiping her. 

797
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:35,680
Out but you but you would expect
on the Saturday because of the 

798
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:38,640
Friday she would sleep the same.
You would think it would be. 

799
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:40,880
Though, so I think, I think she 
knows the days, yeah. 

800
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:43,240
Even if it's subconscious, even 
if it's just my cage. 

801
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:46,400
Yeah, it could be something, but
then we were on Monday now, so 

802
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:51,720
Sunday nights Selena told me 
that she slept pretty much 96 

803
00:37:51,720 --> 00:37:53,720
again. 
Yeah, so I'm just ready for 

804
00:37:53,720 --> 00:37:56,840
school, but it must be that kind
of oh, there's no school today. 

805
00:37:56,840 --> 00:38:00,360
I'll stay, I'll stay up late. 
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

806
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:05,080
So that was it, I think. 
What else potentially happened? 

807
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:09,160
Interesting e-mail from Steven, 
our Spellers expert who was at 

808
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:12,760
the Christmas Christmas special.
I don't know if you saw his 

809
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:15,280
voice notes in the. 
I did, yes. 

810
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:18,360
Yes, yes, same cheque out to see
if Lydia. 

811
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:19,680
Yeah. 
Gluten. 

812
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:21,920
It's gluten intolerant. 
Yeah, because he heard about the

813
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:22,560
food. 
She was. 

814
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:25,240
Eating he heard about the food 
he was she was eating that it's 

815
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:29,560
it's kind of those berries, 
vegetables, whole, Whole Foods, 

816
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:31,760
shall we say there's. 
People listening to this going 

817
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:34,880
oh how terrible. 
Yes, your child eats fruit and 

818
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:36,840
veg. 
Yeah, I know we're not moaning 

819
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:37,680
about it. 
It's great. 

820
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:44,440
But then he made a point going 
and I bet she eats kind of 

821
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:46,920
anything with gluten if the 
flavours mask or it has 

822
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:49,320
something with it. 
And it's like, yeah, well, 

823
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:51,840
funnily enough, she's she's gone
off eating any form of toast, 

824
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:54,200
just likes the butter of it. 
As I said last time, you know, 

825
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:56,800
fruit toast is completely gone. 
Hot cross buns used to be a 

826
00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:58,040
fave. 
They're they've completely 

827
00:38:58,040 --> 00:38:59,680
disappeared. 
She just picks out the raisins 

828
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:01,920
now. 
There. 

829
00:39:02,720 --> 00:39:05,800
We managed to get her onto those
little kind of small pizzas. 

830
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:09,560
Was it the Chicago town ones? 
You know, a little mini ones, 4 

831
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:12,000
cheeses. 
We cut them up into triangles 

832
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:14,280
for her and it was a bit of a 
win when she started getting 

833
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:16,840
interacting with it. 
But she takes the cheese and she

834
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:19,720
licks the sauce off and then 
discard to the base. 

835
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:25,280
How does she know there's gluten
in the thing she's avoided in 

836
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:28,280
maybe? 
It's part of the Tilapoo Tapes. 

837
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:30,280
Maybe. 
Maybe the other kids have just 

838
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:32,160
said to her, don't eat it. 
Don't eat it, it's got gluten. 

839
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:33,520
It's got gluten in it. 
Gluten's bad. 

840
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:37,040
So yeah. 
So the thing now is I'm going, 

841
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:40,160
oh, should we do a test? 
Should we just do a complete 

842
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:43,760
test on, on allergies or 
allergens or whatever and see if

843
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:45,760
there's, you know, if it is 
gluten, if there's something in 

844
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:48,600
dairy or if there's something 
that you know, does trigger her?

845
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:52,200
Because not to get too gross 
about it, the the stuff that 

846
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:54,160
comes out the other end looks 
very interesting. 

847
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:56,840
Really. 
So you kind of think, yeah, 

848
00:39:56,840 --> 00:39:59,040
could this be something? 
Could she have been upset 

849
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:02,400
because she is bloated and 
unhappy in that sense and can't 

850
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:04,520
communicate it? 
So there's lots of kind of 

851
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:07,640
things going. 
You know what, let's get this 

852
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:09,040
checked out. 
Yeah, there's, there's so many 

853
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:11,000
things are going. 
Parasites are a thing as well. 

854
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:13,520
Yeah, well, we got option from. 
Parasites and. 

855
00:40:13,720 --> 00:40:15,480
We get a wormed. 
Get a work. 

856
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:18,480
Yeah, we've, we've had Thomas 
worm, but we did a, we did a 

857
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:20,200
test, a tolerance test for 
Thomas. 

858
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:21,440
Yeah. 
How did you hear about doing 

859
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:23,960
that? 
I think it was a finger prick 

860
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:24,960
test. 
Oh was it? 

861
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:29,560
I think can't remember but the 
the list that came back was 

862
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:32,080
pretty so it'll give you like a 
red, amber, green. 

863
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:33,160
Oh, wow. 
OK, A. 

864
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:37,120
Hell of a list. 
And his, his, his, his weight. 

865
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:40,160
Wheat. 
Gluten, I think egg whites is on

866
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:43,400
his so it'll bring there's like 
for him. 

867
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:47,200
He had like two or three that 
were like in the in the red and 

868
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:50,680
red and amber. 
So but it's quite interesting. 

869
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:54,480
I mean, onion is 1 like not for 
him, but it's they test a shit 

870
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:57,240
load of that. 
Yeah, onion red wine, like 

871
00:40:57,240 --> 00:41:00,280
there's loads on this list. 
Geez, He's happy. 

872
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:02,680
He's not allergic to red wine. 
So he's, he's quite. 

873
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:04,800
Goodness. 
Yeah, it was a It was something.

874
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:07,000
That should be an autistic and 
not being able to have red wine.

875
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:09,240
And can't drink red wine. 
Oh, what a life. 

876
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:14,440
So, so yeah, they're worth 
doing, worth doing even if it 

877
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:17,880
kind of confirms, I mean, these 
food tolerance tests, they're 

878
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:21,120
not like 100%, but even if it 
just kind of gets you 

879
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:24,600
interesting, The thing I thought
has been confirmed by this as 

880
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:26,280
well. 
Yeah, you know. 

881
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:28,920
And you'd think they'd be able 
to spot the most obvious, like 

882
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:32,000
wheat gluten and. 
Yeah, yeah, it's the big stuff. 

883
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:33,680
So yeah, yeah, definitely worth 
doing. 

884
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:35,840
I think we'll do that. 
Yeah, it's yeah. 

885
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:37,720
It's interesting and it comes 
back super quick. 

886
00:41:37,720 --> 00:41:39,160
Oh really? 
Yeah, it comes back really quick

887
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:42,600
and it does, it kind of guides 
your decisions then a little bit

888
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:44,760
on what to. 
OK, well, she doesn't want to 

889
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:46,240
eat this. 
Well, I'll stop trying to give 

890
00:41:46,240 --> 00:41:49,520
it to her because that might be 
the reason she's whereas most of

891
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:51,040
us are trying to. 
It's funny, isn't it? 

892
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:54,680
When you've got like when you've
got a typical kid, you try to 

893
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:56,680
get them to eat healthy food, 
right. 

894
00:41:57,160 --> 00:41:59,200
But when you've got a 
neurotypical kid, sorry, and 

895
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:03,440
you're a divergent kid, you want
them to explore all the foods 

896
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:07,080
that you're trying to avoid 
typical kids having because 

897
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:09,400
you're trying to broaden, 
broaden their kind. 

898
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:10,760
Of yeah, yeah. 
Yeah, it's weird. 

899
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:12,480
Like we do it like. 
Go to your kid. 

900
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:14,640
Eat the fucking Nuggets. 
Yeah, eat the chicken Nuggets. 

901
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:16,760
Yes, eat the chicken. 
Like Mish got excited, she sent 

902
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:19,560
me a photo because he was eating
McDonald's and I'm like yes why 

903
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:21,560
the fuck are we excited about a 
kid eating McDonald's? 

904
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:24,360
I know, but we all do because 
we're trying to just broaden 

905
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:26,200
their interests. 
Yeah. 

906
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:29,600
We're trying to get that base of
core foods up from a couple to 

907
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:33,360
exactly 6 or 7, Yeah. 
And then hopefully build upon 

908
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:35,520
that. 
But yeah, absolutely. 

909
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:37,600
Oh mate your your comment last 
week was funny. 

910
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:39,320
Which one? 
There's so many about the. 

911
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:42,880
Chicken Nuggets About the About 
the chicken Nuggets. 

912
00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:45,320
Fit for work? 
Oh yeah? 

913
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:46,520
Well, it's true though, isn't 
it? 

914
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:49,040
Had a few comments on. 
That yeah, yeah, you'd lose the 

915
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:53,000
DLA, you'd lose. 
The DLA fit for work but mate 

916
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:57,520
Thomas, we do this thing with 
the school where we try and show

917
00:42:57,520 --> 00:43:01,120
them what the kids are doing 
when they're not at school and 

918
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:05,400
we've not been doing it. 
So Mitch took him to Sainsbury's

919
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:07,240
yesterday. 
Oh, I saw. 

920
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:10,840
This got loads of photos of him,
Yeah, picking out his bacon and 

921
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:14,320
then taking bits and pieces 
through the till and on the 

922
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:17,040
self-service thing, like 
scanning, and he scanned his own

923
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:21,120
Jelly and you just kind of go. 
A few years ago we couldn't even

924
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:23,880
get you in Sainsbury's. 
Yeah, and now you're scanning 

925
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:26,600
food and it I don't. 
Think it was in a few years ago 

926
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:28,480
I think our first early 
podcasts. 

927
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:30,040
No, you're right. 
Yeah, it's funny. 

928
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:30,840
It's. 
Only May. 

929
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:32,200
It was what we're talking about 
8 months ago. 

930
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:34,400
I've made it. 
Yeah, it seems that long ago. 

931
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:37,800
I can't, you know, all the trips
to Sainsbury's, what a nightmare

932
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:39,480
they were. 
Couldn't get him in or my. 

933
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:42,000
God, yeah, it seems like it 
seems like 3 or 4 years ago it 

934
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:43,800
wasn't. 
It was literally the development

935
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:46,280
he's had in in that kind of 
eight-month period is for not to

936
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:48,560
you. 
But then you wouldn't think, sat

937
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:53,440
there in May when we started 
this, that you'd just be saying 

938
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:57,080
what you were saying, that 
Thomas walked around happily. 

939
00:43:57,360 --> 00:43:59,280
No, with Mish round the 
supermarket. 

940
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:00,760
Or that you'd be getting the 
sleep. 

941
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:02,720
Or that Lydia would be getting 
the sleep. 

942
00:44:02,720 --> 00:44:03,560
She's. 
Getting Yeah, yeah. 

943
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:05,480
It's just you. 
You. 

944
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:11,600
Things are so hard at the time, 
you can't help but think that's 

945
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:14,080
your world forever. 
You can't see a way 8. 

946
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:17,160
No and because like we say it 
many times and lots of parents 

947
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:20,720
say you take every day as it 
comes day at a time and you 

948
00:44:20,720 --> 00:44:23,640
literally are day at a time, but
that causes you just to get 

949
00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:26,040
through that day. 
But then you forget sometimes 

950
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:29,240
that how far your child actually
comes in that. 

951
00:44:29,240 --> 00:44:32,440
Because it's so incremental. 
The improvement is so 

952
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:35,880
incremental, it's so you don't 
even notice it at the time. 

953
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:37,880
OK, you might have these tiny 
little wins, but it's only when 

954
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:40,040
you look back a year, you go 
fuck me. 

955
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:41,720
Oh, my God. 
Yeah. 

956
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:43,960
Like, it's been like 1% every 
day. 

957
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:45,840
Yeah, 1% is not really 
noticeable. 

958
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:49,400
And you just think, holy shit, 
balls, that's crazy. 

959
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:52,200
And. 
A lot of people in the early 

960
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:54,760
days who are just kind of going 
through the diagnosis period 

961
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:57,200
will probably hear this and go. 
I don't think it'll ever be like

962
00:44:57,200 --> 00:44:58,440
that. 
But yeah, we're exactly the 

963
00:44:58,440 --> 00:44:59,480
same. 
I get it, We're exactly the 

964
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:01,120
same. 
I just sat there bawling me, 

965
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:01,880
eyes out on the sofa. 
This. 

966
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:04,440
Is my life forever? 
This is my life, this is my kid.

967
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:06,800
He's not going to do anything. 
He's just going to be sad all 

968
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:07,920
the time. 
He's just going to be meltdown 

969
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:08,880
after meltdown. 
Never going. 

970
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:10,680
To understand what they need. 
We're never going to be able to 

971
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:12,120
communicate that's. 
Fucking nuts. 

972
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:17,160
But that kind of the reason 
Thomas is where he is is because

973
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:20,160
we just push him enough. 
We don't push him so far. 

974
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:22,680
No that it causes meltdown. 
It's just little tiny 

975
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:24,400
challenges. 
Work a little bit harder for 

976
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:26,680
this, yeah. 
Just a little bit 1% just come 

977
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:28,800
on, just exactly look a little 
bit harder for this he's. 

978
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:30,320
Working a little bit harder. 
I'm. 

979
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:33,320
Going to leave me by the hand, 
but you need to show me a bit 

980
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:34,040
more. 
Exactly. 

981
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:34,920
Don't just. 
Throw my hand. 

982
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:36,200
Just don't just take me to the 
kitchen. 

983
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:37,800
Yeah. 
And the next thing is like, OK, 

984
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:39,840
you've LED my into the kitchen, 
now you're throwing my hand in 

985
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:41,120
the direction. 
OK, Yeah. 

986
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:43,880
Next time I want something else.
Yeah, yeah. 

987
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:46,840
And it's just very, very tiny. 
So they still carry on doing. 

988
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:49,400
It, it is. 
And again, I, I think it, it 

989
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:52,160
gives them confidence because I,
I imagine again, so odd, you're 

990
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:54,000
going to put yourself in their 
little, their little world. 

991
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:57,800
I imagine it's so difficult when
you can't communicate and you 

992
00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:02,800
just end that little world all 
on your own, that it be very 

993
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:06,200
easy to have complete fuck all 
confidence in anything you do 

994
00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:08,440
because everything you try, no 
one understands what you're 

995
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:11,280
saying. 
So when you do these, you push 

996
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:12,560
them a little bit and they get 
it. 

997
00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:15,400
It builds the self-confidence up
and before you know it, it's a 

998
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:16,720
little bit like Thomas was 
spelling car. 

999
00:46:16,720 --> 00:46:18,640
When we spell car. 
He looked at it and we were 

1000
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:21,560
like, we've pushed him too far. 
Oh, he's confused. 

1001
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:22,880
He probably feels a bit shit. 
Next day. 

1002
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:25,360
He fucking spelt it because he 
felt confident when he was on 

1003
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:28,680
his own to try it on his own. 
Spelt it. 

1004
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:31,000
I think it is like that I mean. 
It's just confidence, I think. 

1005
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:35,040
What would it be like if you 
sort of dropped us into a remote

1006
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:38,000
village in China and like, we 
couldn't communicate and 

1007
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:39,680
everyone's just staring at you? 
What do you want? 

1008
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:44,320
You're like, my God, this. 
Oh, you do get it. 

1009
00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:46,840
OK, We'll start going here and 
start building it up. 

1010
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:49,920
And over a period of time, yeah,
we then were able to 

1011
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:51,760
communicate. 
But jeez. 

1012
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:53,320
And that's us being 
neurotypical. 

1013
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:55,960
Exactly that that. 
Throw everything else into that.

1014
00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:58,160
Exactly, because that's the 
thing, it's not just the 

1015
00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:00,440
language barrier, it's it's the 
autism as well. 

1016
00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:05,320
It's like so, so yeah, it's 
just, it's just nuts. 

1017
00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:07,080
It's it's crazy. 
And I think that's what kind of 

1018
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:09,120
what's been nice about the 
Discord is there's people asking

1019
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:11,440
questions and there's people a 
few years ahead are going do 

1020
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:13,000
this, we'll try this. 
Somebody asked the question. 

1021
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:14,040
This is always a good thing, 
isn't it? 

1022
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:17,080
That kind of having somebody 
that's going through what you're

1023
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:21,760
going through who's maybe 12 
months, two years, three years 

1024
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:24,320
ahead of you. 
Yeah, it's so helpful. 

1025
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:27,560
Yeah, I've learnt from you with 
Thomas being a couple of years 

1026
00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:29,880
older than Lydia going, oh, 
you've been going here, don't 

1027
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:31,440
worry about this, try this. 
That's normal. 

1028
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:33,560
You'll get this next. 
And he was like, OK, no problem 

1029
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:35,200
at all. 
So having that, those people 

1030
00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:38,240
that you can just go, oh, you're
a couple of years ahead of me on

1031
00:47:38,240 --> 00:47:39,240
this. 
What's what's going on? 

1032
00:47:39,240 --> 00:47:41,600
What can I expect? 
He'd be like, don't you worry. 

1033
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:44,000
Someone dropped in in Discord 
and it was kind of a random 

1034
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:46,240
question because we didn't have 
a channel for it and this is 

1035
00:47:46,240 --> 00:47:47,800
kind of what he's all about. 
Goggle Wayne. 

1036
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:51,560
He was asking for advice on 
private assessments. 

1037
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:55,840
He's got 1 coming up has no idea
what to expect and he just does 

1038
00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:57,760
anyone know? 
And I was like this is my first 

1039
00:47:57,760 --> 00:48:00,080
time to test this so I just did 
at everyone. 

1040
00:48:00,240 --> 00:48:01,520
Could someone help weigh in with
this? 

1041
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:05,360
Everyone, everyone that's had 
experiences with private 

1042
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:08,520
assessments all came to the chat
and started helping mate and I 

1043
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:09,720
was like. 
And that's free. 

1044
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:11,520
I was like, that exactly. 
That's free. 

1045
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:15,400
I was like, that's what this is 
about, That somebody comes 

1046
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:18,480
feeling a little bit like, 
fucking hell, what do I expect? 

1047
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:22,640
I don't know the answer because 
I've only got Thomas and 

1048
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:26,200
Thomas's autism is my experience
and he's got a diagnosis at 

1049
00:48:26,240 --> 00:48:27,520
everyone. 
Can you help Wayne? 

1050
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:31,160
Fucking absolute God send. 
There you go. 

1051
00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:33,120
And the ability to be able to do
that and everyone else can do 

1052
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:34,680
it. 
Everyone else can just at 

1053
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:37,320
whoever they like in that 
community and help each other 

1054
00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:41,600
out and it's fucking men. 
I was thinking as well in that, 

1055
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:43,960
and this is, this is just the 
stim and whistle bit. 

1056
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:47,440
In the stim and whistle you can 
play YouTube videos for everyone

1057
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:49,240
in the pub. 
Yeah, we can do a private 

1058
00:48:49,240 --> 00:48:50,600
screening think. 
It's like a private screening, 

1059
00:48:50,720 --> 00:48:53,760
so I thought it'd be really good
to get Spellers on because the 

1060
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:56,840
Spellers documentary's on there.
Could you imagine all the 

1061
00:48:56,840 --> 00:48:58,440
parents just watching spellers 
together? 

1062
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:02,640
Yeah, Oh my God. 
So I just thought things like 

1063
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:03,400
that. 
I thought, that's a fucking 

1064
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:05,640
brilliant. 
Idea literally this we've only 

1065
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:07,120
it's only been up. 
What is it now? 

1066
00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:10,520
Two days, 2 days. 
We still don't know what we can 

1067
00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:12,320
do with this. 
There's probably 101 different 

1068
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:14,400
things that we can do with. 
This I know at some point we can

1069
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:15,800
there's like a there's a games 
room I've made. 

1070
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:17,440
We can get like a game of poker 
going in there. 

1071
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:18,880
Oh. 
Poker tournament autism. 

1072
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:21,520
Poker tournament well. 
Sponsored by. 

1073
00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:23,200
We won't be paying with money 
because we haven't got any. 

1074
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:24,880
Yeah, none of us. 
None of us. 

1075
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:27,720
Well, someone have a bit of 
spare DLA money because, you 

1076
00:49:27,720 --> 00:49:29,240
know, that's what. 
It's oh, there's always a bit of

1077
00:49:29,240 --> 00:49:31,360
spare DLA money, always spare 
DLA money, you know, at the end 

1078
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:32,400
of the month. 
Exactly. 

1079
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:34,680
Oh cool, through you. 
Don't put it in the S&P 500. 

1080
00:49:34,680 --> 00:49:36,400
Just keep a little bit back and 
play poker with it. 

1081
00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:40,560
I just throw mine out the window
because I know the following 

1082
00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:44,600
month I'll get more more, more 
DLA, more DLA money. 

1083
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:48,480
So, so yeah, I just, I mean, I'm
so excited about it because 

1084
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:50,880
there's just so many things that
we can do with it and other 

1085
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:52,840
people can do with it and they 
can just make suggestions like 

1086
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:54,560
they have been guys, can we have
some more rooms for this? 

1087
00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:55,600
Yeah, sure you can. 
Yeah. 

1088
00:49:55,720 --> 00:49:57,640
We'll keep building it. 
You just tell us what you want 

1089
00:49:57,640 --> 00:49:59,080
and we'll do our best to 
facilitate. 

1090
00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:01,480
That's it, That's it. 
I I kept it very constrained to 

1091
00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:03,040
start with. 
I didn't want to go over the top

1092
00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:04,520
making rooms. 
But then very quickly there were

1093
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:06,040
so many different conversations 
coming up. 

1094
00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:08,000
It was like, Oh yeah, we need, 
we do need a room for 

1095
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:10,880
everything. 
Yeah, we need someone arriving 

1096
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:12,400
to go. 
This is why I'm here. 

1097
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:15,800
PDA, cool PDA room. 
And I won't be in the PDA room 

1098
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:17,440
because I know fuck all about 
dealing with. 

1099
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:19,000
But we know a lot of people that
will be in there. 

1100
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:20,960
Exactly. 
The other thing I was thinking, 

1101
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:23,320
obviously we've made this about 
parents and carers. 

1102
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:28,680
I think it'd be really valuable 
to get experts in to these 

1103
00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:29,960
rooms. 
Well, they can just have the 

1104
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:31,000
whole, they can go on the whole 
thing. 

1105
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:33,400
Obviously, of course they can, 
but they might get a lot of 

1106
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:36,160
benefit having these experts in 
particular rooms. 

1107
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:44,080
Jessie would be fantastic in 
there, you know, PDA, autism, 

1108
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:45,640
ADHD. 
Yeah. 

1109
00:50:46,120 --> 00:50:48,440
She's written books on autism 
and ADHD. 

1110
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:49,560
She's writing on APDA. 
Believe. 

1111
00:50:49,560 --> 00:50:54,480
I believe so. 
The continents? 

1112
00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:55,760
What was it? 
Consultant. 

1113
00:50:56,040 --> 00:50:57,280
Continents Consultant. 
That's it. 

1114
00:50:57,280 --> 00:51:00,000
She'd be great to have in there.
Yeah, we need to get back to 

1115
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:01,720
her. 
Need to make a room for toilet 

1116
00:51:01,720 --> 00:51:04,080
training, actually. 
Yeah, I will be in there quite a

1117
00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:06,080
lot. 
Not for me, for my son. 

1118
00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:11,080
I can go to the toilet fine. 
But yeah, it's going to be 

1119
00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:12,360
amazing, man. 
It's actually really good. 

1120
00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:17,640
And it. 
Well, it's been up 48 hours. 

1121
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:20,080
Yeah. 
And everyone, could you thank 

1122
00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:21,840
everyone that's in the by the 
way, thank you for contributing 

1123
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:23,400
like you are, because it's just 
been phenomenal. 

1124
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:26,200
At first I was very much like, 
get in, welcome everybody. 

1125
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:28,080
And then it was like, more 
people are coming in. 

1126
00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:29,960
I was like, shit. 
But then everyone else was 

1127
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:31,800
welcoming everybody. 
I was like, yeah, there we go. 

1128
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:33,400
This. 
Is the thing, isn't it, You 

1129
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:40,280
know, I suppose one of the if 
you can take a positive out of 

1130
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:44,680
the situation that we're in and 
that sometimes could be quite 

1131
00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:46,520
difficult to do. 
Yeah. 

1132
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:52,640
Is that because everybody has a 
shared experience of what life 

1133
00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:58,440
is like now? 
We are very, very empathetic to 

1134
00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:03,640
other parents going through the 
same thing because we know what 

1135
00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:09,640
it's been like feeling isolated,
an outsider that people around 

1136
00:52:09,640 --> 00:52:16,240
you that just don't get it. 
So to to have this community of 

1137
00:52:16,240 --> 00:52:18,680
people and just see everybody 
just go right. 

1138
00:52:19,240 --> 00:52:21,320
I've got your back. 
Let me help you out here. 

1139
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:23,000
You're struggling. 
I totally get it Do. 

1140
00:52:23,240 --> 00:52:24,760
You know what's really 
interesting about this community

1141
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:27,760
as well is even I'll use PDA as 
an example. 

1142
00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:32,480
I don't understand what it's 
like to live with a child who's 

1143
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:34,720
got PDA. 
No. 

1144
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:38,200
But I could be very empathetic 
to something I know nothing 

1145
00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:41,320
about. 
And that I think is where, if I 

1146
00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:44,080
can do that because of my 
experience with Thomas, I can be

1147
00:52:44,080 --> 00:52:46,440
empathetic about something I'm 
not experiencing. 

1148
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:51,440
But that's where like everybody 
else from outside the community 

1149
00:52:51,600 --> 00:52:54,000
needs to do. 
They need to be able to go 

1150
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:57,120
looking in. 
I have no idea what it's like to

1151
00:52:57,120 --> 00:52:59,400
experience what you're 
experiencing, but I can 

1152
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:01,640
empathise with it. 
And that's the bit we need to 

1153
00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:04,320
get right now. 
And I, like I've said many times

1154
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:08,000
before, I didn't empathise 
because I was looking at these 

1155
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:11,160
children, especially autistic, 
because they look typical and 

1156
00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:12,240
I'd be like get a grip of your 
kid. 

1157
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:17,320
That's that bit we've got to 
build and is unless you're going

1158
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:20,840
through something similar, it's 
bloody hard to empathise. 

1159
00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:22,920
Yeah. 
It's hard. 

1160
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:26,840
It's hard to put yourself in a 
position where, I mean, even 

1161
00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:30,360
with PDA, for example, PDA is 
probably for me the most 

1162
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:34,680
difficult to get to grips with 
because I, I think I, I struggle

1163
00:53:34,680 --> 00:53:38,120
with PDA because I and I asked 
parents, I asked Charlie about 

1164
00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:39,920
it the other day. 
How do you know the difference 

1165
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:44,000
between PDA and just being a 
little shit? 

1166
00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:46,200
Yeah. 
And she's like, you don't. 

1167
00:53:47,240 --> 00:53:50,040
And that's why it's so hard. 
And I see you have to treat all 

1168
00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:51,120
of it as PDA. 
She's like, yeah. 

1169
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:52,440
It's like, right. 
OK. 

1170
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:56,320
Fuck, that must be so hard. 
Must be so hard. 

1171
00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:58,800
Imagine you get it wrong. 
You get it wrong that one time 

1172
00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:00,480
exactly. 
Oh my Lord, you've got to treat 

1173
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:01,800
it all as PDA, haven't you? 
You've got it. 

1174
00:54:02,720 --> 00:54:03,920
Yeah, yeah. 
Well, hopefully we'll get Ben 

1175
00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:08,920
one of the dads on. 
Yeah, he and. 

1176
00:54:09,080 --> 00:54:11,280
He's coming off his. 
Wife, yeah, yeah, yeah. 

1177
00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:14,040
I think he was just building up 
his confidence and everything 

1178
00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:15,040
else, but I get it. 
Yeah. 

1179
00:54:15,240 --> 00:54:19,480
He goes through PDA on a 
day-to-day basis and he often 

1180
00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:21,920
tells us I've taken my child to 
school, but I've had to use the 

1181
00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:26,600
Australian voice and the I think
just to get a point across. 

1182
00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:29,520
Sometimes he she accepted more 
if it's an Australian voice 

1183
00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:31,720
really or accent. 
Sorry, sorry. 

1184
00:54:31,720 --> 00:54:34,760
So yeah. 
Which again, it's just like, 

1185
00:54:34,840 --> 00:54:36,360
wow. 
What? 

1186
00:54:36,720 --> 00:54:37,160
Yeah. 
Oh. 

1187
00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:39,720
My God. 
So hopefully we'll get harmonic,

1188
00:54:39,720 --> 00:54:42,560
explain it in a much better way 
than I did there. 

1189
00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:46,400
But yeah, again, just one of 
those nuances of yeah, of of 

1190
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:47,600
this life. 
Yeah, that's. 

1191
00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:52,440
Kind of everything that's not, 
I'm trying to think like, did we

1192
00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:54,520
talk about Barbie on the last 
one? 

1193
00:54:57,920 --> 00:54:59,640
No, we talked about it. 
No, we talked about it on the 

1194
00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:01,320
live and we talked on the hidden
20% a little bit. 

1195
00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:03,080
Yeah, we didn't. 
We Yeah, yeah. 

1196
00:55:03,320 --> 00:55:04,760
It was quite good. 
The live is where the penny 

1197
00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:05,720
dropped for me and you wasn't. 
It. 

1198
00:55:05,720 --> 00:55:07,000
Yeah. 
Yeah, it was. 

1199
00:55:07,120 --> 00:55:10,080
Yeah, it's funny, isn't it, how 
it just happened on that live. 

1200
00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:13,000
Yeah. 
So my initial reaction was 

1201
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:15,480
cynical. 
Yeah, my initial reaction. 

1202
00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:16,760
Do you know what it wasn't? 
It was if. 

1203
00:55:17,240 --> 00:55:19,760
Anybody doesn't know? 
Oh yeah, Barbie, Yeah, you 

1204
00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:20,240
don't. 
We're. 

1205
00:55:20,240 --> 00:55:21,520
Not just talking about your 
Barbie. 

1206
00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:23,240
Don't. 
Know you're living under a rock.

1207
00:55:23,240 --> 00:55:27,160
Yeah, but yeah, Barbie 
manufacturers have come out and 

1208
00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:30,200
they've released the Autism 
Barbie, Yeah, which comes with 

1209
00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:33,360
Ear Defenders, fidget Spinner, 
AAC. 

1210
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:37,240
Yeah, I think the biggest 
problem I had was with like the 

1211
00:55:37,240 --> 00:55:39,360
arms. 
Extra extra stretchy. 

1212
00:55:39,360 --> 00:55:41,920
Arms, they're like a little bit 
more flexible, flexible or 

1213
00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:42,600
something. 
I don't know. 

1214
00:55:42,600 --> 00:55:46,320
I was just like, OK, but 
initially I wasn't, I wasn't 

1215
00:55:46,320 --> 00:55:49,760
cynical because my viewpoint is 
still the same. 

1216
00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:52,160
Is that Mattel? 
Any business doing something 

1217
00:55:52,160 --> 00:55:53,600
like this, it's for commercial 
gain. 

1218
00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:56,200
It's not for anything else. 
Yeah, I mean, and I get it, 

1219
00:55:56,200 --> 00:55:58,560
you're a business. 
It's fine, capitalism, you go. 

1220
00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:02,760
But I still had a bit of a oh, 
great look. 

1221
00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:06,480
You're sticking all the all the 
stereotypes on a doll. 

1222
00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:08,520
Not all autistic money out of 
autism. 

1223
00:56:08,520 --> 00:56:12,320
Not all, not all autistic people
wear ear defenders or carry AAC 

1224
00:56:12,320 --> 00:56:14,640
devices or have intent. 
Apparently she's got like 

1225
00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:16,560
intense eyes. 
I don't fucking know. 

1226
00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:19,400
So that was my that was my 
opinion. 

1227
00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:21,400
But then someone on the live 
said. 

1228
00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:25,280
Yep, they said. 
My daughter saw the doll and 

1229
00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:29,320
came up and said Oh my God, 
Mummy, she's just like me. 

1230
00:56:29,520 --> 00:56:31,320
Yeah, she's got she's. 
Got air defenders like me. 

1231
00:56:31,360 --> 00:56:32,800
Also, and that was the end of 
the conversation. 

1232
00:56:32,800 --> 00:56:34,640
That was it. 
We both went OK, that's what 

1233
00:56:34,640 --> 00:56:35,880
it's for. 
It makes complete sense. 

1234
00:56:35,880 --> 00:56:37,720
No one is selling these dolls to
me. 

1235
00:56:37,720 --> 00:56:39,920
They're selling to children. 
If a child goes, do you know 

1236
00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:43,520
what? 
I resonate with that? 

1237
00:56:43,560 --> 00:56:45,040
Yeah. 
That's my God. 

1238
00:56:45,080 --> 00:56:48,840
Finally, I don't feel different.
Yeah, there's something out 

1239
00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:50,240
there. 
And obviously we're not talking 

1240
00:56:50,240 --> 00:56:54,000
about profoundly autistic kids. 
These are the kids that probably

1241
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:56,560
are the same between us, as we 
say. 

1242
00:56:56,560 --> 00:56:58,360
Yeah. 
But in fact, they've come out 

1243
00:56:58,360 --> 00:57:00,800
and gone. 
My God, it's representation. 

1244
00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:04,640
Yeah, I can see it and the 
excitement that kid must have 

1245
00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:05,960
had. 
Yeah, she's got headphones like 

1246
00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:08,040
mate, yeah. 
We. 

1247
00:57:08,040 --> 00:57:10,120
Were like, we were like, not 
really sure about this. 

1248
00:57:10,120 --> 00:57:11,720
Seems a bit, seems a bit seems 
like that. 

1249
00:57:11,720 --> 00:57:14,000
And then we saw that message and
we were like, okay, Yep. 

1250
00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:15,600
Cool, the fact that one kid 
goes. 

1251
00:57:15,840 --> 00:57:19,560
If only one doll was sold and it
was to that little girl. 

1252
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:22,360
Yeah, exactly. 
Absolutely worth it. 

1253
00:57:22,600 --> 00:57:26,280
And then we and I said to you, 
we'd be so cynical of companies 

1254
00:57:26,280 --> 00:57:28,240
like that if they didn't have 
any representation. 

1255
00:57:28,360 --> 00:57:29,320
You can't win can. 
You. 

1256
00:57:29,320 --> 00:57:31,200
Yeah, we'd be slagging them off.
Where are the, where is the 

1257
00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:33,200
representation of autistic kids 
and everything else? 

1258
00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:35,280
Like, why aren't you doing it? 
You're just trying to hide them 

1259
00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:36,000
away. 
Yeah. 

1260
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:38,600
And as soon as they do it, we're
like, oh, I can't believe you're

1261
00:57:38,600 --> 00:57:41,000
there to make money out of all. 
So it's one of those. 

1262
00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:42,400
And you know what I've thought 
about it. 

1263
00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:43,320
Fair play to them. 
Yeah. 

1264
00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:45,880
We need more companies going out
there, more programmes, more, 

1265
00:57:45,880 --> 00:57:49,280
you know, exposure going these 
kids shouldn't be hidden away 

1266
00:57:49,280 --> 00:57:53,080
like they were 40 years ago in, 
in, you know, asylums or just 

1267
00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:55,720
our parents must be ashamed or 
embarrassed to bring them out. 

1268
00:57:56,080 --> 00:57:57,960
No, let's change, let's change 
society. 

1269
00:57:57,960 --> 00:58:00,840
Let's get the neurodiversity 
kids out there and and just have

1270
00:58:00,840 --> 00:58:02,680
some representation. 
So fair play. 

1271
00:58:02,680 --> 00:58:04,600
And I look forward to the 
autistic action man. 

1272
00:58:04,640 --> 00:58:07,080
Yeah, very much so. 
Who goes around just spitting at

1273
00:58:07,080 --> 00:58:07,720
people? 
Yeah. 

1274
00:58:08,840 --> 00:58:11,160
Have you seen what's been really
nice to come out of it, as well 

1275
00:58:11,160 --> 00:58:14,560
as everyone doing their own 
individualised their children? 

1276
00:58:14,640 --> 00:58:16,120
That's some good marketing, 
yeah, isn't it? 

1277
00:58:16,360 --> 00:58:19,440
So good, very good. 
Use AI, make your own. 

1278
00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:22,160
Oh yeah. 
But people have taken their own 

1279
00:58:22,160 --> 00:58:27,240
kids quirks like and they've 
made their own dolls with AI and

1280
00:58:27,240 --> 00:58:28,520
I'm like. 
I've seen the parent one as 

1281
00:58:28,520 --> 00:58:29,440
well. 
It's just sort of like 

1282
00:58:29,960 --> 00:58:33,320
paperwork, EHCP paperwork in the
background, DLA coffee cups 

1283
00:58:33,720 --> 00:58:38,440
underneath it, says autistic 
mum, age 20 years plus in 24 

1284
00:58:38,440 --> 00:58:39,640
hours. 
Yeah, so. 

1285
00:58:39,720 --> 00:58:41,440
Yeah. 
So, yeah, exactly. 

1286
00:58:41,440 --> 00:58:43,720
And that I kind of like that, 
that even if it was a negative, 

1287
00:58:43,720 --> 00:58:46,280
but I don't think it was, I 
think it was a net positive. 

1288
00:58:47,160 --> 00:58:49,400
Even if it was a negative, the 
community still find a way to. 

1289
00:58:49,400 --> 00:58:50,920
Who's the manufacturer? 
Mattel. 

1290
00:58:51,040 --> 00:58:53,120
Mattel, if you want to come and 
sponsor our podcast, then let us

1291
00:58:53,120 --> 00:58:56,240
know. 
Yeah, I mean, that's that's the 

1292
00:58:56,240 --> 00:58:57,960
other thing. 
You'll notice that we are, we 

1293
00:58:57,960 --> 00:59:00,800
have no sponsorship. 
We don't do any ads, we do 

1294
00:59:00,800 --> 00:59:02,800
nothing. 
Yeah, if you if you want to be a

1295
00:59:02,800 --> 00:59:08,880
sugar daddy, you can reach us at
www.autismdiecast.com and we'll 

1296
00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:09,920
happily have a discussion with 
you. 

1297
00:59:09,920 --> 00:59:11,800
Fantastic. 
Or a sugar mum. 

1298
00:59:12,120 --> 00:59:13,320
Or a sugar? 
Exactly. 

1299
00:59:13,520 --> 00:59:14,600
Are you willing to be a sugar 
mum? 

1300
00:59:15,680 --> 00:59:20,320
The price is right. 
It's so yeah, it's been a good 

1301
00:59:20,320 --> 00:59:21,480
week. 
It's been a bit of a mental 

1302
00:59:21,480 --> 00:59:24,040
week. 
It's it's, yeah. 

1303
00:59:24,040 --> 00:59:26,160
It was kind of ups and downs. 
Like Wednesday I kind of came 

1304
00:59:26,160 --> 00:59:28,840
away going OK, positive. 
Then I kind of went. 

1305
00:59:29,080 --> 00:59:31,200
I think 24 hours later you kind 
of reflect on it a little bit. 

1306
00:59:31,240 --> 00:59:32,800
You go like, could I have done 
more? 

1307
00:59:33,120 --> 00:59:35,640
Could I have said more than you 
very quickly go. 

1308
00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:38,000
If I'd have gone any other, we 
wouldn't be going back. 

1309
00:59:38,640 --> 00:59:40,920
The door would have shut. 
It's and it's getting the 

1310
00:59:40,920 --> 00:59:42,480
balance right. 
Yeah, it's getting the balance 

1311
00:59:42,480 --> 00:59:46,520
right because it's also we all 
got recommended to go on there 

1312
00:59:47,160 --> 00:59:49,960
and they were told that you need
to listen to that podcast first 

1313
00:59:49,960 --> 00:59:52,600
because they can just be a 
little bit direct. 

1314
00:59:52,600 --> 00:59:53,920
Direct was what it said in the 
e-mail. 

1315
00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:55,000
Yeah. 
Sorry, we don't want to go in 

1316
00:59:55,000 --> 00:59:57,720
there and just be complete 
assholes about it. 

1317
00:59:57,800 --> 01:00:01,040
Yeah. 
And then go, what's going on 

1318
01:00:01,040 --> 01:00:02,960
here? 
We can never bring these guys 

1319
01:00:02,960 --> 01:00:04,520
back and have a meaningful 
conversation. 

1320
01:00:04,520 --> 01:00:07,080
So it's also their first time 
interacting with us as well as 

1321
01:00:07,080 --> 01:00:09,720
us interacting with them. 
So. 

1322
01:00:09,800 --> 01:00:12,000
Yeah. 
Yeah, I think it went well. 

1323
01:00:12,520 --> 01:00:15,120
Yeah, me too. 
And hopefully leads to other 

1324
01:00:15,120 --> 01:00:17,640
conversations that we can. 
And that's the that's the 

1325
01:00:17,640 --> 01:00:18,480
important thing. 
Is that it? 

1326
01:00:18,760 --> 01:00:20,520
Yeah, it kind of keeps the door 
out for more. 

1327
01:00:20,520 --> 01:00:22,920
Conversations, if we are 
fortunate enough to have a long 

1328
01:00:22,920 --> 01:00:27,440
form conversation with the 
minister, we're going to let you

1329
01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:29,720
guys know first. 
And we're going to say again, 

1330
01:00:30,520 --> 01:00:32,800
what are the key burning topics 
that you want us to ask? 

1331
01:00:33,040 --> 01:00:34,520
Yeah. 
And we'll, we'll take the most 

1332
01:00:34,520 --> 01:00:37,920
popular or some of the most like
obscure if that's the case, and 

1333
01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:40,520
we'll formulate them and we'll 
have a discussion with her. 

1334
01:00:40,520 --> 01:00:43,960
And again, it won't be, as I 
kind of said to their media 

1335
01:00:43,960 --> 01:00:46,440
manager, it's not going to be 
Jeremy Paxman style. 

1336
01:00:46,640 --> 01:00:48,520
Answer the bloody question. 
No answer one question. 

1337
01:00:49,200 --> 01:00:50,920
There's no point. 
We get nothing out of it. 

1338
01:00:50,920 --> 01:00:51,320
No. 
What? 

1339
01:00:51,320 --> 01:00:54,800
We get a little sound bite of us
looking like absolute wow. 

1340
01:00:55,160 --> 01:00:57,400
You've given her a hard time. 
She deserved it. 

1341
01:00:57,480 --> 01:00:58,880
Yeah, but what's the answer with
that? 

1342
01:00:58,880 --> 01:00:59,760
No. 
Exactly 10 minutes. 

1343
01:00:59,760 --> 01:01:01,520
Everyone's forgotten about it 
and we don't have any answers. 

1344
01:01:02,640 --> 01:01:05,760
So yeah, so hopefully it 
happens. 

1345
01:01:07,840 --> 01:01:12,000
There's no reason it shouldn't 
because, you know, we'll we'll 

1346
01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:13,520
be fair. 
It'll be a conversation. 

1347
01:01:13,760 --> 01:01:15,440
It's not being interviewed. 
So it can be a conversation. 

1348
01:01:17,440 --> 01:01:19,080
OK, mate. 
Perfect. 

1349
01:01:19,080 --> 01:01:20,320
I think that's it. 
Is there anything else? 

1350
01:01:21,080 --> 01:01:23,880
There's probably 101 things that
we'll remember once we stop 

1351
01:01:23,880 --> 01:01:25,280
recording. 
We'll turn all the cameras off 

1352
01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:28,000
and then we'll go fuck, we 
should have said this, but look 

1353
01:01:28,040 --> 01:01:31,840
and. 
You know, we, there's probably 

1354
01:01:31,840 --> 01:01:33,840
going to be quite a few new 
people listening to this because

1355
01:01:34,480 --> 01:01:37,160
we are, we have realised we've 
missed out on going on Facebook 

1356
01:01:37,160 --> 01:01:40,840
and we just started hammering 
that a little bit, shall we say 

1357
01:01:40,840 --> 01:01:43,640
over the weekend and it's, it 
has taken off. 

1358
01:01:43,640 --> 01:01:47,720
So if you are new and you do see
this again, we're on Spotify, 

1359
01:01:47,720 --> 01:01:51,320
we're on YouTube, Apple Podcasts
and all those various other ones

1360
01:01:51,320 --> 01:01:53,720
that I didn't know existed 
until, until I Googled us. 

1361
01:01:54,640 --> 01:01:56,200
I was like I thought that format
as well. 

1362
01:01:56,200 --> 01:01:57,560
I thought that. 
I was. 

1363
01:01:57,560 --> 01:01:58,760
Like what's this? 
Yeah, yeah. 

1364
01:01:58,800 --> 01:02:00,440
Absolutely. 
So apparently we're on quite a 

1365
01:02:00,440 --> 01:02:03,760
few, but you know, do have a 
listen, do subscribe, do follow 

1366
01:02:03,760 --> 01:02:06,280
us on all the various usual 
social media platforms. 

1367
01:02:06,280 --> 01:02:09,040
All you've got to do is put 
autism dad cast in and we do pop

1368
01:02:09,040 --> 01:02:12,600
up. 
But yeah, I think that's it for.

1369
01:02:12,600 --> 01:02:17,400
This week go to the link tree. 
The discord's in there. 

1370
01:02:18,720 --> 01:02:23,200
Stem and whistle's in there. 
The page to obviously donate for

1371
01:02:23,200 --> 01:02:25,120
our London Marathon. 
That's in there. 

1372
01:02:25,120 --> 01:02:26,440
Everything's in there. 
Yeah. 

1373
01:02:26,560 --> 01:02:28,680
If you just want to find 
everything, just go in there. 

1374
01:02:28,680 --> 01:02:31,120
That's where it all is. 
All right, mate. 

1375
01:02:31,120 --> 01:02:32,440
Thank you very much. 
Absolute pleasure. 

1376
01:02:32,520 --> 01:02:34,080
And I'll see you in this dimmer 
whistle, See. 

1377
01:02:34,080 --> 01:02:35,400
You in this dimmer whistle for a
pint. 

1378
01:02:35,400 --> 01:02:36,680
See you mate. 
Take care, bye bye.